Encounters x353 - Real Stories of Witchcraft | Curses, Cleansings and Black Magic

Witches aren’t always hiding in the woods with a bubbling cauldron. Sometimes they’re family, neighbors, strangers, or someone you trust. This week, we’re exploring the darker side of witchcraft, from love spells and inherited supernatural abilities and mysterious curses to hexed homes and encounters with entities from folklore. Stories include: A mysterious illness leads to the discovery of a strange bundle of herbs, rope, and human hair hidden inside an apartment. A family’s history of witchcraft includes a deathbed curse, prophetic dreams, and a great aunt who watches over her relatives after death. A little girl in white, unexplained bruises, a giant handprint, pinned dolls, and shadowy figures turn one family’s homes into a paranormal nightmare. A family suspects their new tenants have hexed them, leading to strange behavior, disturbing intuitions, and a cleansing ritual to break the spell. A terrifying nighttime encounter with a tokoloshe leaves a family wondering whether something supernatural was sent to spy on them. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone. This is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal, and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion. It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor says,

• 0:44Speaker 00

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• 1:52Corinne Vien?

  Hey.

• 1:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello, we're back.

• 1:55Corinne Vien?

  We're back.

• 1:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Back in the circus tent.

• 1:57Corinne Vien?

  It's Two Girls One Ghost.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls One Ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne, Clown Corinne, Clown Sabrina. Here we are. And we're here to tell you ghost stories sent in to our email, to our inbox, [email protected] by all of you, our very haunted freakish listeners. And we picked another theme this week in celebration of what is to come in a couple of weeks from now. Uh, witchcraft.

• 2:26Corinne Vien?

  Witches.

• 2:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And my goodness, there are many of you who are witches who listen to our podcast, but there are also many who have been cursed.

• 2:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  By witches.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  It's an interesting thing. I feel like being called a witch, it goes back and forth from being a compliment to not. And right now, I feel like if someone called me a witch, that would be like one of the highest.

• 2:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  High praise.

• 2:47Corinne Vien?

  Of compliments.

• 2:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Corinne Vien?

  But it doesn't mean that there aren't people and practitioners out there that are doing things a little, maybe not the way we would do it.

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Listen, there's good and bad in this universe.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  And everything.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bad people and good witches and bad witches. Also, the same could be said.

• 3:03Corinne Vien?

  Let the witchcraft commence.

• 3:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have one about a witch that poisoned a father.

• 3:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 3:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Uh, this is from our listener.

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  I feel like you find a lot like this. So it's like someone's dad or uncle's dying.

• 3:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I specifically, I wanted to find one where someone was like cursed.

• 3:20Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  By a witch. Um, this is from our listener Sophie. And yeah, it's called, "My dad was poisoned by a jealous witch." Why do I keep interchanging exclamation point and question mark? It's a question mark, but there's probably an exclamation.

• 3:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, in there.

• 3:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello, I have been a faithful viewer, and I did send you an email this past May about the one and only spooky experience I have had in my life. It was about a bird that announces death. We'll have to read that another time. But today, as I'm watching your Mexico special episode, I remembered what happened to my father before I was born. I've always loved conspiracies, legends and so on, but I've always been fairly skeptical. As we say in my country, I only believe in what I see. And since I have not seen anything yet, I don't fully believe in anything, although I'm fairly open to it. However, there is this story, episode, thing, I don't know what to call it,

• 4:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  that happened to my father that has always left a very weird feeling inside of me every time I think of it. I don't remember who I heard it from, but in this story, there are four people you want to keep in mind. My mom, my dad, and my childhood friend's parents. Our fathers were close friends in childhood, and my parents are my friend's godparents. So pretty much family. So four people. Sophie's mom, Sophie's dad, and the two friends of a childhood friend. Before my parents had me, they lived in an apartment with pretty much an open door policy. People would come and go as they pleased. They would appear for lunch or dinner without even calling first because they knew my parents would welcome them with open arms and so on. Although they were quite a popular couple and had lots of friends,

• 5:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  there were a few people who were jealous of my mother. My mom says this because my father was apparently the catch of the village.

• 5:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, so people wanted what she had. And people would criticize my parents behind their backs after just having been at their apartment. Rude.

• 5:19Corinne Vien?

  So rude.

• 5:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  After you welcome them into your home. So one day, all of a sudden, my father fell seriously ill with cold sweats, stomach pains, throwing up all the time. Both my parents went a few times to the hospital, but every time they went, the doctors would say that my father was healthy as a horse, and they didn't understand why he was feeling like that. This went on for weeks, and my father lost quite a lot of weight and could hardly eat anything. Being the usual Southern European woman that believes everything in the occult, my mom asked my friend's parents to help her find a healer or a witch to go to. Bear in mind that my father likes to pretend that he doesn't believe in anything supernatural, so they did all of this behind his back. They ended up finding someone who told them that somebody from my parents' entourage

• 6:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  had actually cursed my father and that they should look throughout the apartment for anything strange or out of place. So my mom and her friends went through the apartment, as asked, hoping to not find anything because they didn't want it to be a curse. They, however, did find something. There it was. Hidden between the curtain of the living room and the couch, a small bundle of herbs, rope, and human hair.

• 6:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh, gosh.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very weapons. Aunt Gladys.

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, totally.

• 6:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So they went back to the healer and witch with this, who told them to burn it, and then gave them some sort of powder to mix into my father's food. My mom did as told, and as soon as my father finished eating the meal, he rushed to the bathroom and threw it all up.

• 6:46Corinne Vien?

  It's just so wild because it's like, they're also just taking another person's advice for what to do too. And it's like, what if there was kind of a con or like multiple people that are just adding on curses? And you're just blindly following?

• 6:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, and also, I don't think the dad knows about any of this. Like, they just put this mixture into the food.

• 7:04Corinne Vien?

  He thinks he's getting poisoned by his family and they're just trying to rid him of his demons.

• 7:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He threw it all up, but instead of food in the toilet, all they could see was this bright purple blob.

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  What? Ew, this is very like sci-fi horror movie.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's terrifying. But after that, my father was good as new, never sick again. And they never spoke of it again. He threw up the curse. I don't know.

• 7:29Corinne Vien?

  Curses are purple? Is that where Disney gets the purple and green from?

• 7:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ursula's purple, evil. I don't know. Me and my friend heard of this story when we were in our early teens. So I don't remember if it was my mom or my friend's mom who told us about it, but I do know that a few years later, when we tried to talk about it again, both of our mothers yelled at us, and my dad just scoffed. When we asked if he really thought he had been cursed, my father shrugged and ended the conversation. But according to my mom, there had been a few women who had wanted my father for themselves, and having not been chosen, had begun to curse my father in various ways. Does this not feel like Obsession, the movie? I honestly don't know if I believe in it, but I do have to say that between being fished out of the sea by a fishing boat after almost drowning when I was two or three,

• 8:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  then falling out of an open truck on the move, and also falling into an open, super deep sinkhole.

• 8:21Corinne Vien?

  My god.

• 8:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And still coming out of it alive and healthy.

• 8:24Corinne Vien?

  This is like seven lives.

• 8:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This all happened to her dad. My father has been very strangely unlucky, uh, well, very strangely lucky for someone as unlucky as him.

• 8:36Corinne Vien?

  And I would argue that a lot of that happened way before a witch was involved.

• 8:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unless.

• 8:41Corinne Vien?

  He was like two or three, getting fished out of the ocean?

• 8:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was when Sophie was two or three.

• 8:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:47Corinne Vien?

  I was like, since a baby, he's been trying to survive.

• 8:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It all seems like it's happened later in life. There was another time in my late teens in which my mom asked my cousin back home to find another healer because my father was always in a bad mood for weeks on end. The healer gave her a prayer, and then my father started getting in a better mood afterwards. For this one, I believe it was my father being an undiagnosed bipolar rather than a curse, but you know, if my mom believes the healer's work, why not? Was he sick or was it really a curse? Who knows? All I know is that my parents stopped having people around as much after that. Keep doing the spooky work, and I hope to see you on the other side. I hope there is something there. Sophie. Well, I mean, after finding that like bundle of herbs and the hair, it does feel like someone did something.

• 9:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you threw up a pink blob. Like there's, like, how do you explain that away?

• 9:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we also don't know what the mixture was that the healer gave him to put in the food. But yeah, um, maybe we don't curse people.

• 9:47Corinne Vien?

  No, that's very scary. And it's scary to think that like anyone could be cursed without even knowing that they're being cursed.

• 9:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, that's so many horror movies, right? It's like moving into a house and there's something left behind.

• 9:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you have no idea. You move something out of the attic or you dig something up.

• 10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or you wronged the wrong person.

• 10:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay, well, I have a story from Kinga, and it's about generational witches. And there is a content warning for domestic violence involved in this.

• 10:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 10:15Corinne Vien?

  Okay. My name is Kinga. I'm from Hungary. I started listening to you ladies during the summer when I was alone in the office and bored out of my brains. And now I'm listening to you while I'm doing laundry and walking somewhere and shopping, literally, basically. I listen to you all the time.

• 10:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're your pocket besties.

• 10:30Corinne Vien?

  After, oh, I love that. Little pocket besties. I wish we could shrink ourselves down.

• 10:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, me too. I feel like especially in these costumes.

• 10:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:38Corinne Vien?

  I feel like we're like the angel and the devil, but you are dressed much more angelic than I am. So I think I would actually be the dark side.

• 10:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but I'd be the angel who like starts up very pleasant and then I start to side with you.

• 10:51Corinne Vien?

  It would be confusing.

• 10:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Corinne Vien?

  Cause I'd, I'd look really scary, but I'd be like, well, do you really want to do that?

• 10:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We kind of Freaky Friday in the midst of it.

• 10:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay. After listening to so many listener stories, I was contemplating whether I should tell this story about my family. But then in September of 2025, my great aunt, the sister to my grandpa on my mom's side, passed away and we went down memory lane with my mom and I just cannot not share these stories. My great aunt and I were very close. She was my grandma, basically, because my real grandma left my mom when she was little. And my grandma was a teen mom and then my great aunt and my grandpa raised my mom and then my brother and me. And so since I was little, I knew my mom had some sort of witchy sense. She always, always predicted things in the family. She predicted literally the day my niece was going to be born.

• 11:43Corinne Vien?

  My sister-in-law and brother had dinner with us when she was pregnant and she wasn't due for at least a week. And then on Sunday, my mom looked at her, touched her belly and said, I think she's ready to come out.

• 11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 11:53Corinne Vien?

  My sister-in-law, thank God, believed her, packed up all of her stuff, went to the hospital, gave birth.

• 11:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why you make it seem so easy and effortless?

• 12:02Corinne Vien?

  Right?

• 12:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just a little, oh, she's ready.

• 12:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, she just knocked. She's coming out.

• 12:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello?

• 12:07Corinne Vien?

  Hello? A wild story is the time that my great grandma cursed my great grandpa on her deathbed. My great grandma and my grandpa had three kids, the oldest being my grandpa. After she got pregnant with the youngest, my great grandpa had to go to the front lines to fight in World War II. This really kind of fucked up my family, pardon my French, but my great grandpa came back a very changed man. He was completely gray-haired, lots of PTSD. Unfortunately, he became pretty physically abusive.

• 12:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh geez.

• 12:39Corinne Vien?

  And he also began to cheat on my grandma. After some time, things got better and I guess he started to heal from the trauma. But my great grandma never would forget what he did to her.

• 12:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it was a well-deserved curse.

• 12:51Corinne Vien?

  Yes. My mom ended up with him for a little while and she took care of my great grandma, her grandma, when she got very sick. My mom was 16 at the time. How wild is that to think that she was that young doing that? Uh, she ended up in the hospital. My mom went in to bring her food and gossip from the family. And in return, my great grandma told her all of these stories about my great grandpa. She was very much near the end, holding my mom's hand and told her, quote, "Tell your grandpa that he cannot and will not die until I say so. He will be in pain until his last hour." Kurva anyat, which means motherfucker in Hungarian.

• 13:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. I love that because I feel like we hear so many curse stories where it ends up affecting the whole family line.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this is so specific. It's just to him. It's like, I'm going to make sure he suffers.

• 13:44Corinne Vien?

  Like they all might be capable of witchcraft and have the power, but the, the curse piece of it.

• 13:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Corinne Vien?

  It's just to him.

• 13:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:52Corinne Vien?

  My mom was baffled, but she wasn't surprised. She knew my great grandma had had a very awful life with him. And when my great grandpa got sick, my mom took care of him too. She also visited him in the hospital. And on the very last day, my great grandpa leaned into my mom and said to her, quote, "I know what your mama told you. I know she cursed me. I see her in all of my dreams. Go and tell her to let me go. I'm so sorry about the things that I've done to her and to the kids, but I want to die in peace. Go tell her." My mom was speechless because she had kept my great grandma's curse a secret. So from the hospital, she went straight to her local church where my great grandparents had gotten married, where they went every single Sunday, where everyone in the family got baptized.

• 14:37Corinne Vien?

  She sat in the back, she prayed to great grandma to let him go. He suffered enough. It's his time. Let him die, whatever. What do you do? Next evening, they got a call from the hospital that my great grandpa had just died.

• 14:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That you know that that means that the great grandmother was showing up in his dreams, taunting him, telling him that she had cursed him.

• 14:56Corinne Vien?

  Yep. I haven't chosen for you to die yet. You must suffer and live longer. Another little story, it's about my great aunt who I mentioned. She was in a pretty emotionally abusive marriage and you might sense some trends here with my family. They never had children. We all believed that this was my great aunt's quote-unquote fault. But after many, many years, it turned out that it was the other way around. My great uncle ended up being infertile. He was a very controlling person, not just with my great aunt, but with everyone in our family. Overall, just a very deeply sick man who never got told off by anyone. And when my great aunt died, we were so sure that it happened because she just honestly got tired and that she had enough. Her health had declined so fast after she had had a fall.

• 15:41Corinne Vien?

  And this fall only happened a couple of days before she died. We obviously don't believe that it was just a fall.

• 15:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 15:48Corinne Vien?

  My great uncle wasn't that upset about the news of his wife's passing. He didn't even visit her in the hospital. He instead went to go see his girlfriend. Mind you, he was 93 years old at the time. Men never change, huh?

• 16:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And maybe the men in this family should be cursed.

• 16:02Corinne Vien?

  I think that this generational, the generational witches should be a generational curse for the men.

• 16:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Corinne Vien?

  My mom had a feeling that something was going to happen to him. She dreamed of my great aunt about a month after her passing. And in the dream, my great aunt was decorating a Christmas tree and was very happy. My mom said that she hadn't seen her that happy in years and there was no side of my great uncle. In this dream, it was just her and our family together. And what do you know? My great uncle fell ill and on Christmas day, he passed away.

• 16:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Christmas dream.

• 16:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 16:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she's so happy.

• 16:36Corinne Vien?

  So happy. I of course was very sad, but let me tell you, decorating the tree the day before, I felt this sort of calm I'd never felt before. And also I'm pretty certain that my great aunt made sure that he couldn't attend her funeral. He got the flu. He had to go to the hospital and it was 25 degrees Celsius in September. He got the flu.

• 16:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 16:56Corinne Vien?

  Couple of weeks ago, we were talking with my mom about how every woman in our family has experienced some type of abuse in their relationships or marriages. My mom had a physically abusive first husband, my great grandma, my great aunt.

• 17:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so sorry.

• 17:08Corinne Vien?

  I also didn't completely dodge this trope, unfortunately, because my first boyfriend was emotionally abusive. We're not together anymore, but even after 11 years, I'm still really not ready to talk about it. But I feel like as the new generation, I have learned a lot from the strong women in our family. And I believe I also inherited some of their witchiness.

• 17:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably.

• 17:28Corinne Vien?

  I sometimes predict who is going to be pregnant amongst our friends. I usually dream of them before they announce the news.

• 17:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 17:34Corinne Vien?

  And recently my great aunt visited me in dreams. She was happy. She was smiling like I'd never seen her before. So who said revenge won't make you happy? See you on the other side. Bye, Kinga.

• 17:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm sorry that there's been so much toxic male relationships in this family, but I am happy to hear that the women get the last word.

• 17:58Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And even in the afterlife, they're like making sure to go visit the other women in the family and be like, you know what? There's so much joy in not having these people in our lives.

• 18:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Corinne Vien?

  Both in flesh life and in astral life.

• 18:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Astral, the afterlife.

• 18:11Corinne Vien?

  The afterlife.

• 18:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey everyone, this is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor says, I believe something completely different. And honestly, that's the whole point. If that sounds like the kind of America you want, learn more at au.org slash getting better. Because your beliefs are yours and theirs are theirs.

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• 20:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a story from our listener, Kenny Ellis, but she said we can call her Ellie to make it easier. It's called A Haunted House and a Witch from Puerto Rico. Hello, girls and ghosts. You're allowed to use my name. I found your podcast about two years ago when I started my career in dog grooming. I've always been interested in the paranormal because of my own experiences. And when I found your podcast, I immediately followed it. So please buckle up for this story. Here's some background so you can better understand everything. My mom and my stepdad met when I was five years old. He had two sons, one who was six years old and another who was only one. And my stepdad had a very rocky relationship with the boy's mother. To put it bluntly, that side of the family was not right in the head.

• 21:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About a year later, we moved into my stepdad's house and that is where things started to get very strange. Now, this house always felt off, but whatever was there seemed to only affect me. Here's the layout of the house. It was simple. Kitchen and living room were at the front, bedrooms were towards the back, and there was a garage on the side. Outside, along the left of the house, there was a narrow hallway that led to the backyard. Our neighbor's house sat extremely close to ours, which is why I say hallway. So all I could see from my bedroom window was the dark wall of their three-story building. Almost every night around 10:00 PM, I would run crying into the living room and tell my parents that a little girl was outside my window crying and that she wouldn't let me sleep. Naturally, they would go check and find nothing.

• 21:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The first time they brushed it off, but the second time I was screaming so hard from fear that they knew something was wrong. As my parents walked toward the hallway leading to the bedrooms, they suddenly stopped in the tracks because standing there was a little girl dressed in white crying.

• 22:01Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I'm kind of glad that they actually got to witness her, though.

• 22:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My brothers were asleep in the room next to mine and my parents told whatever it was to leave, and it did. They immediately grabbed my brothers and all of us slept together in the living room for truly an entire week. After that, I don't remember much for a while. The next major event happened around my birthday. And my birthday is February 8th. My younger stepbrother's birthday is February 17th. So we went to visit his side of the family because it was their week to have the boys. While we were there, I greeted everyone respectfully and one of the family members gave me a pink shirt. They told me that if it didn't fit, I could return it and exchange it later. When I got home, I tried it on for less than a minute and realized it did not fit. So I planned to return it the next time I saw them, but about a week later, everything changed.

• 22:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Almost immediately upon coming home with this shirt, I started having horrible nightmares and night terrors. I became terrified of the dark. I would wake up with bruises and marks all over my body that no one could explain. No one ever saw me get hurt. I had no memory of anything happening.

• 23:06Corinne Vien?

  Wait, this is scaring me because I immediately, by my mind, jumped to like a little girl that's outside the window is summoning her out in the middle of the night and she's like getting injured outside in the woods.

• 23:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, one morning around 9:00 AM, I woke up from a hard slap across my face. I immediately jumped up and ran to the living room expecting to find someone playing a prank on me. Instead, my family was sitting in the living room, faces frozen when they saw me. No one had touched me and what terrified them was that there was a large handprint on my face from being slapped. Nobody had been in my room and when they compared their hands to the mark, no one matched. This handprint was much larger than anyone's hand in the house, so it's not the little girl. Eventually, the mark faded, but after that, I refused to sleep alone. Eventually, we decided to move. We stayed in the same neighborhood, but we left that house behind.

• 23:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And before moving, we tried everything. We cleansed the house, blessed the house, prayed over it, but nothing worked. And whatever was happening seemed focused entirely on me. At first, this new house was peaceful. Nothing unusual happened for a while. Until one day, my stepbrothers were picked up for a visit with their mother's side of the family and suddenly things started happening again. So it's correlated with his stepbrother's family.

• 24:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her mom, that side of the family. At night, my bed would shake violently. The windows would rattle. We would hear knocking on doors. Doors would open and close by themselves. There was never any wind or rational explanation for any of it. Eventually, I became too scared to sleep alone in that house again and I moved into my brother's room. Even then, things continued. At night, I would feel as if someone sat down on the front of my bed. You could actually feel and see the mattress sink under the weight and there would be a spot that felt strangely warm. Not long after that, my stepbrother came home from visiting his grandmother and he told us that he had been exploring her house and found that same pink shirt that they had given me years earlier, which made no sense because I never returned it. Then he told us something stranger. He claimed his grandmother, so his mom's mom,

• 25:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  had dolls that looked exactly like us. And these dolls, some of them had pins stuck in them.

• 25:16Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 25:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is when everything started connecting in our minds. We began to wonder if whatever had been following me was somehow connected to that family. We started seeking blessings and spiritual help and things quieted down for a while, but they never completely stopped. One night, we were all sleeping in the living room. We had several couches lined up and each sibling slept on a different one. Around midnight, one of the couches started rocking back and forth on its own. Like the creaking sound was so loud, it woke everyone up.

• 25:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 25:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We sat there staring. My parents asked who was moving it, but nobody was touching it. And this couch continued to move by itself right in front of all of us. That was the moment my parents decided enough was enough. And not long afterward, we began packing everything to move to the United States. My stepbrothers stayed behind to live with their mother and we prepared to leave. On our final night there, almost everything had already been packed. The only couch left in the house was in the living room where I was sleeping and my parents were asleep in one of the bedrooms. As I lie awake, staring at the ceiling, I saw a little girl floating from one side of the room to the other before disappearing into my brother's room. It was that same little girl dressed in white that I had seen years before.

• 26:28Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 26:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I started screaming and my dad ran out, grabbed me and pulled me into his room. What terrified me most was when he looked at me and said, "I saw it too." Then we watched the trash can in the kitchen slowly rotate by itself. And at the same time, we saw three shadowy figures. One was large, one was medium-sized, one was small. It was maybe one of the most horrifying moments of all of our lives. The next morning, we left for the United States. And since moving here, we have never experienced anything like that again. We also have not had any contact with that side of the family in over 10 years and I truly never want to see them again.

• 27:03Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 27:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We believe they targeted my mother and me because they did not want a stepmother or stepsister in their lives. Whether everything that was happening was paranormal, something darker, or something we may never really understand, those experiences changed me forever. Later, when I was old enough, my mom told me even more disturbing things. She said that their mother would send people after us. Like if they saw my mom driving, they would intentionally swerve their cars toward her.

• 27:27Corinne Vien?

  What the hell?

• 27:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Some would even throw rocks at our house in broad daylight, aiming for my mom's windows. Thankfully, those windows were made of metal, so they did not break, but it was terrifying. She also confirmed to me that their grandmother practiced witchcraft and she was called a witch in the neighborhood. That's my story. Please let me know if you decide to read it so I can listen when the episode comes out. And that is from Kenny Ellis or Ellie.

• 27:51Corinne Vien?

  Dang, that's really intense to like feel like everyone's after you and also, well, to know that everyone's after you. Like not just feel, to know. And then I'm so curious about the little girl because it's like the encounters with her, she's just, like when you physically see her, she's just standing there saying she's outside the window or she's floating by.

• 28:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She seems sad.

• 28:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So I'm like, can we blame her for everything that's going on or is she just another spirit that happens to be? Yeah, separate or like tormented and scared of whatever else is living in there.

• 28:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, and also could you imagine your stepbrother coming home being like, oh yeah, my grandmother has little dolls that look just like us and they have pins stuck in them?

• 28:29Corinne Vien?

  No, because unless your grandma's a healer and she's using this to remember.

• 28:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Clearly not a healer in this situation. Being slapped in your sleep, waking up with bruises.

• 28:40Corinne Vien?

  Being slapped, yeah.

• 28:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so glad that you and your family were able to escape all that negativity. Because that is scary.

• 28:48Corinne Vien?

  And luckily a move worked, you know, sometimes that doesn't work for people.

• 28:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously.

• 28:52Corinne Vien?

  A lot of times it doesn't work. Okay, this is another story from the UK. I feel like we are not in America for any of these stories so far. It's called The Witches of Pendle Hill.

• 29:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, what a, I love that story, that title.

• 29:06Corinne Vien?

  Hey, my spooky girls and listeners, I'm Evy or Evie.

• 29:12Corinne Vien?

  I'll say Evy only because I have a couple Evies in my life. And I have been listening to the podcast for a few months now. I'm obsessed with the Appalachian Mountains, even though I think never stepped foot in America. But a little bit of background about me and my story. I've always been fascinated with ghost stories and the possibility that something else is there after life. And I'm not religious, but a few years ago, I found out that I can see auras mainly on my pets at home.

• 29:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, what, oh, pet auras.

• 29:38Corinne Vien?

  That's so cool.

• 29:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 29:40Corinne Vien?

  So I definitely do have a spiritual side, but that's another story. In this experience that I'm going to share, I was 14. I'm now 20. So it was just after lockdown when things were starting to open back up again. And my mom, my sister, my aunt, my cousins all traveled to Blackburn, which is where my mom and my aunt grew up with Pendle Hill looming in the background. If I'm right in remembering, Blackburn has a lot of old houses and a history of witches. My mom is open to the spiritual world and would sometimes get the feeling that she just hated certain buildings. And she often doubted herself quite a bit in this feeling. In her late teens, she did see a ghost in her room in Spain while she was on holiday. I vividly remember parking the car at the bottom and looking up at that hill.

• 30:23Corinne Vien?

  Such a strange shape for your typical hill, which apart from the witch trial is another reason that it's so famous. It was super windy already and if you know England, it's always gray and cloudy. And so the view from the top, it's, wasn't even worth it. Anyway, we all start walking up. It's this loose stone path and almost immediately as I started on the trail, I got such a strong and pulsing migraine. I said something to my mom and my aunt and they both assumed that this was just an excuse. But the further we got up the hill, the more sick I was getting. I was twisting my ankles. My back felt like it had been punched. I remember my vision started to go yellow and hazy, like I was about to pass out.

• 31:05Corinne Vien?

  And we finally got to the top. The weather was awful. The view wasn't worth it at all. I'm walking back down the hill now and it probably took two hours, but I kept feeling like someone was pushing me down the hill or was following me at least at a really close distance. I was walking down with my aunt. My mom and my sister were a few meters ahead of us. My aunt does not believe in the paranormal at all and just said that it was the wind. But the wind doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand up like a sixth sense, does it?

• 31:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 31:34Corinne Vien?

  Throughout this entire walk, I had this huge migraine, but the second, we're standing in the car park, completely gone. And if any of you had a migraine, you know that it usually takes a few days to go away completely. So, yeah.

• 31:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or at least hours.

• 31:49Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 31:50Corinne Vien?

  I didn't see anything and I thought the witches of Pendle were just a local story based on the witch trials. But turns out it could be more too. But that's all for now. Sending love and protection from Evy.

• 32:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like we need to do an episode on the witches of Pendle Hill.

• 32:04Corinne Vien?

  I know. Well, it's so interesting because like her mom had a lot of things happen too. And it just makes me think that like they could be reincarnations of the witches of Pendle Hill. Like that's where my mind was going.

• 32:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I like that take.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, just because like they're like her and her mom specifically are the ones that are affected and afflicted when it comes to like.

• 32:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Being there, huh? Now I want to know more about it.

• 32:26Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 32:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Coming soon to a two girls, one ghost near you.

• 32:32Corinne Vien?

  What if this could be a chain? First podcast ever, like just create.

• 32:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little pop up story.

• 32:38Corinne Vien?

  Hire like a bunch of duos that just like, we all go by the same name.

• 32:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sabrina and Corinne. We're now looking for many Sabrina and Corinne friends. Someone emailed and they were like, my sisters, like both of my sisters' names are Sabrina and Corinne.

• 32:51Corinne Vien?

  That's so weird.

• 32:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is wild.

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• 34:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have one more from our listener whose name is Ash. And it too is a story about black magic and a curse.

• 35:04Corinne Vien?

  Nice.

• 35:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I had a theme within our theme. Hello, beautiful girls. I hope you're doing well. My name is Ash.

• 35:11Corinne Vien?

  Are you sure I look too beautiful today?

• 35:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I actually like this, like this vibe. I feel like I wish I could wear this all the time.

• 35:20Corinne Vien?

  This is giving a little, um, oh, God, who's the girlfriend of the Joker?

• 35:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, um, I was just thinking, yeah, Harley Quinn. Especially with, oh, especially with the pigtails.

• 35:31Corinne Vien?

  Now that you have the pigtails in, it feels Harley Quinn.

• 35:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I did feel like that when I put the pigtails in. Okay. This is a story I'm going to tell you about the time when the tenants at my family home hexed my entire family. Yay. I'm writing it to you after listening to Andrea's story in episode 273 because it's so similar to mine. Okay. Most of my paranormal encounters happened around the COVID era. I mentioned this in my previous email as well, but I'll give you a little background. We live in a house that my parents bought back in 2004 and it was constructed from scratch, so brand new build. We know that the house was never haunted and it was built according to Vastu Shastra, which is an ancient Hindu architectural science that aims to harmonize built spaces with nature to promote well-being and prosperity.

• 36:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It maximizes positive, maximizes positivity and is supposed to prevent and minimize negativity. Supposed.

• 36:23Corinne Vien?

  Supposed to, keyword supposed to.

• 36:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We had tenants in our home from December 2015 till June 2020. They had two daughters and were a very nice, warm family. The elder daughter was the same age as me and we had been best friends since before she moved to our house. After they moved out of the house, we were looking for new tenants because the passive income helped pay our bills and back then we really could have used more financial help. So we put out an advertisement inviting people looking for a space to live in. A month or two later, a family of three women visited our house to check it out and they seemed very happy with it. They decided to move in. They moved in fairly quickly, which seemed a little weird to me because people were avoiding moving at that time because of COVID. And mind you guys, I never interacted with this family.

• 37:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just my parents and my elder brother talked to them and then told me about them before they moved. Like I said, it was a family of three, a divorced, single mother and two of her daughters. The eldest daughter was the same age as my brother and the youngest one was two years older than me. So they move in. Fast forward one week, they start living here. Except they said that their water purifier was not working and kept asking us every day for water. Their mother worked at a clothing store and usually came home late around 10 or 11 PM. So my parents used to invite both of the daughters upstairs in the evening to have tea and snacks with us, which is a very typical Indian family thing to do. However, after two weeks of this entire thing happening every day, I started getting annoyed. Mainly because I was the one who had to make the tea and cook for everyone.

• 37:55Corinne Vien?

  Is it, yeah, it sounds like a great little daily ritual until.

• 37:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have to do all the work.

• 37:59Corinne Vien?

  The one doing everything.

• 38:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I was also getting annoyed because my brother told me he liked the oldest daughter of the family and would love to date her. Now, obviously this was none of my business, his life, he can date whoever he wants and, you know, he has dated some disastrous people in the past, so whatever. But there was something about this that felt off.

• 38:18Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 38:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I thought maybe it was because she lived in the same house or I wasn't used to them yet. After all, I had just lived right next door to my best friend for so many years and she had just moved. So maybe I was just sad. But no, I knew it was something else. What started as asking for water soon turned into asking for ingredients that shouldn't be given to people, like lemon, salt, et cetera. And then the eldest daughter just started to walk into our house and take things out of our fridge herself.

• 38:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, she's getting a little comfortable.

• 38:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. One day, a pigeon-like bird flew into our balcony when my mom, brother and that girl were sitting there with the ceiling fan on. And it flew into the van.

• 38:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no. Oh, that's so tragic and so gross.

• 39:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, I thankfully did not witness it, but my mom was really traumatized by it. Around that time, we also had some pet fishes and one morning they all randomly died. And I was very attached to them. It broke my heart and I cried so much. I saw both of these things as a bad omen. As I told you guys, this person and her sister used to come upstairs to have tea with the family. They used to stay after having tea and I used to go to my room to study or go to the terrace to listen to music. The younger daughter tried befriending me, but her views never matched mine, so we really didn't vibe too well. Again, I don't have the faintest memory of why or if something happened, but I just knew something was off. But one day, when the eldest daughter, who I'll call P, was in our house, she was cooking pasta.

• 39:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I went out to go look and see what she was doing and she asked me to go rest, that she will do her thing. But something in the back of my head said, don't leave. She's going to add something harmful to the food.

• 39:59Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 40:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I didn't leave. I stood there.

• 40:02Corinne Vien?

  Something in the back of your head or like an actual voice? I'm curious. So your intuition or did a spirit come through and say?

• 40:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Either way, I was strong enough to stay.

• 40:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I stayed there, watching her cook, unable to leave. One night, she invited me to sleepover with her downstairs, and so I did, but I could not sleep. I was freezing, and this is Indian August weather, and I was freezing cold. As the sun rose, I ran upstairs to my room, and at this point, my brother was crazy in love with P. He would buy her gifts, and mind you, we were going through a rough patch financially at that moment. And one day, I heard my parents planning to buy this girl a laptop, while my brother and I were using an old phone that we had bought 10 years prior.

• 40:48Corinne Vien?

  This is kind of reminding me of, there was a story from not too long ago that we read where it was like someone's nanny or like a caretaker.

• 40:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, she said this reminded, episode 273.

• 41:00Corinne Vien?

  Was that one?

• 41:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It must be. She said it reminded her of her own experience.

• 41:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it must be the same thing.

• 41:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So when I found out they were planning to buy this girl a laptop, I lashed out at my parents, and they told me to shut up because she didn't have a dad and they were just trying to help. And I was like, what? And this is when I started to notice more signs. Whenever I would say anything to P and her family, my entire family would lash out at me like I was an outsider, and they were the real family. One day, my brother broke out of his trance and realized what was happening, and called one of our maternal aunts, explaining the situation. By the time that our aunt came to our house, my brother was back in whatever trance that she had put him under.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  My gosh, how very one wish willow obsession.

• 41:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but I was never under the trance. I could feel the tears fill up my eyes. I looked at my aunt, I served her tea, and I told her everything. She then looked into my mom's eyes. Her dilated pupils told her what she needed to know. Then she sat my mom down and told her that we had been hexed. Well, they had been hexed because I was fine. I was the only one who could see through it all. But my aunt told my brother to start praying. Thankfully, he listened, which made the spell weaker. And he started getting into fights with my parents because they were still in this trance-like state. After my aunt's visit, my mom also started seeing signs and started to avoid P and her family, and eventually convinced my dad to do it too. When things didn't get better, my parents decided to consult my uncle and another person who had spiritual powers.

• 42:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My uncle was also known for being spiritually gifted. He could see things we didn't, but not physically, like he could see it in his head when he meditated. Just as a backstory, my dad had gotten his wallet stolen, and it had $5,000 of cash in it back in the 1990s. And he asked my uncle, and my uncle was able to tell him who stole it, where it was, when it was stolen, and what happened with the money.

• 42:49Corinne Vien?

  Whoa.

• 42:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then, so this other person that came with my uncle was even more popular and had a lot more spiritual powers. So the two of them together, we were like, okay, they could help. Both of them, my uncle and this other man, told my parents that the girl P and her family were witches who practiced dark magic and did it on my family, and somehow I escaped it.

• 43:10Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 43:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The details of the black magic were this. She hexed my parents to be under her control and my brother to be in love with her through food that she cooked. Here's the kicker. According to my uncle and this other man, P added her menstrual blood for the love spell into the food.

• 43:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh my fucking god, that is so sick.

• 43:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My parents and brother.

• 43:33Corinne Vien?

  No bodily fluids.

• 43:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  None.

• 43:35Corinne Vien?

  Zero. Wear a glove when preparing your food.

• 43:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 43:39Corinne Vien?

  I don't even want your dead skin cells. Nothing.

• 43:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My parents and my brother were told to pray and let the god handle it while both my uncle and the other person did a cleansing and banishing rituals to get rid of the dark energy. They also told them to get rid of that family and look for new tenants after cleaning the house physically with incense. So that's what we did. And after that family left, another family moved into our house, and nothing went wrong since then. Except for a few hauntings that I experienced and nightmares that I sent in another email. But yeah, that's my story. Hope to see you on the other side. Love, Ash. How intense.

• 44:14Corinne Vien?

  Um, fuck, okay, that's definitely the exact, her referencing that one.

• 44:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, episode 273.

• 44:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because that's so similar.

• 44:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is also crazy that multiple people have experienced this.

• 44:27Corinne Vien?

  And also, it was so creepy, like the dilation of the eyes and getting, like, snapping out of the trance for just long enough to be like, I need help, I need help, we need help.

• 44:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It also reminds me of obsession.

• 44:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I haven't seen yet, but hopefully by the time this actually comes out, I will have seen it.

• 44:41Corinne Vien?

  Damn. Oh my god, that is like, that's some real scary witchcraft.

• 44:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, like, here's the thing. I love witchcraft. I think it's magical and beautiful, and if you have the ability to have this much power to impact other people and their family, why aren't we using it for good? Think about how much.

• 45:00Corinne Vien?

  An actual family, like, why can't you conjure things in other ways?

• 45:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or do that to people who deserve it, who are bad people, and make them better people.

• 45:08Corinne Vien?

  True.

• 45:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, think about the things that you can do.

• 45:11Corinne Vien?

  Some other ones.

• 45:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, it just makes me disappointed. What is that quote from Spider-Man? About how power is, do you know what I'm talking about?

• 45:20Corinne Vien?

  No, not at all.

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The uncle says it before he dies. Spider-Man power quote.

• 45:26Corinne Vien?

  Peter.

• 45:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With great power comes great responsibility.

• 45:30Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 45:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

• 45:33Corinne Vien?

  Dang. Well, I have an email that caught my attention because it's called Tokalosh experience slash my father used witchcraft on us. Which I'm like, well, I don't think we've ever like truly gotten a Tokalosh.

• 45:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've never gotten one. You covered them.

• 45:46Corinne Vien?

  I covered Tokalosh, which is a cryptid creature from an area in Africa. That like is believed to be living in like the skin sacks of dead people, so it's like, it's like a dead man's skin.

• 46:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Speaking of no bodily fluids or dead skin in your food.

• 46:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, and I must have pronounced Tokalosh wrong, and I probably am now because it said, I also attached a video to help you pronounce.

• 46:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How are we supposed to say it?

• 46:14Corinne Vien?

  Well, should we listen to the video?

• 46:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's learn.

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 46:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's take this moment to learn.

• 46:18Corinne Vien?

  What's up video, so I think we're in here. Let me say it.

• 46:21Speaker 05

  The words that I've been telling you about, I mean, there's lots of different ways to pronounce it. But the way that I know it is Tokaloshi.

• 46:31Corinne Vien?

  Tokaloshi. Tokaloshi, sorry.

• 46:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 46:36Corinne Vien?

  Whoa, I can't believe I said it wrong a million times. Tokaloshi.

• 46:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From now forward.

• 46:41Corinne Vien?

  Tokaloshi.

• 46:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tokaloshi.

• 46:43Corinne Vien?

  Hey ladies, Natalie Rose here, all the way from South Africa. I actually commented on one of your videos on how to pronounce Tokaloshi. Now I got it, thank you.

• 46:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We know now.

• 46:52Corinne Vien?

  So it feels kind of surreal finally sending in my own story. Also, I recently started working night shifts, so you guys genuinely keep me company. Thank you for that.

• 47:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  During the witching hour.

• 47:02Corinne Vien?

  A little backstory. My parents were only married for about six months before they separated. And my father is, da, da, da, yeah. Creepy is me being nice. He's controlling, he's obsessive, he's the kind of person who jokes about being the devil, but in a way where you're like, why are you saying that?

• 47:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like when men make certain jokes, it's actually them telling you.

• 47:28Corinne Vien?

  They're telling on themselves.

• 47:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The truth, yeah.

• 47:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess that's not only specific to men. I think some, I think people in general have a habit of telling on themselves.

• 47:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it makes you feel less guilty about whatever you're doing because you're like, well, people kind of know.

• 47:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:41Corinne Vien?

  So after everything, my mom and I moved in with my grandparents. My grandfather made it very clear that my father was not welcome. Like, he couldn't even step onto the sidewalk outside of our property.

• 47:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh damn.

• 47:53Corinne Vien?

  So obviously, that didn't stop my dad.

• 47:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That probably made him want to do it more.

• 47:58Corinne Vien?

  If anything, it just made him more determined to find a way to still know what we were doing. Now, at some point, and we didn't know this at the time, he went to a sangoma. And yes, I know a sangoma is meant to be a healer, but this person was not that. This was something else, but I'll come back to that.

• 48:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 48:17Corinne Vien?

  Because before we even knew any of this, things started getting really weird in the house. I was around 11 or 12, and my mom and I shared a bed, which I loved at the time. I felt so safe. But for months, every time I showered, I had this horrible feeling that I was being watched. You know that feeling when you're washing your hair and you have to close your eyes? And your brain is like, yeah, this is when something's going to be behind you. Well, that was me, every time. I was constantly looking over my shoulder. I couldn't relax. I'd rush through showers just to get out, and then the night started getting weird too. We'd hear things, loud bangs, things falling, just noise that didn't make sense. My mom told me later that every night while she read her Bible,

• 49:01Corinne Vien?

  she would see something small running back and forth in her peripheral vision. Never directly in front of her, always just out of sight. Like it didn't want to be fully seen.

• 49:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Body like heebie-jeebies.

• 49:13Corinne Vien?

  And it's like when you're reading the Bible, so it's like, it's, it has the awareness of what you're doing. Now, here's the thing. This wasn't even her first Tokaloshi experience. Before she met my father, she had encountered one, and it told her that it would come back for her. She said that it tried to, and trigger warning for sexual assault, but it tried to assault her while her husband at the time was asleep right next to her.

• 49:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What the heck?

• 49:39Corinne Vien?

  And no matter how much she screamed, no matter how much she shook her husband, he would not wake up. He only woke up once this creature left. So when things started happening again, she already had this feeling of what this thing could be, and she was so over it. So she contacted a woman, someone that we didn't even know, to come over and pray and cleanse the house. We got her number through someone at church, so she literally knew nothing about us. And the same night, my mom reached out to her, that is when I had my experience. I woke up randomly. I don't know what time it was because I needed my specs to function, and I was not about to go looking for them, but something felt off.

• 50:19Corinne Vien?

  So I opened my eyes, I sat up slightly, and I saw a man standing at the foot of the bed on my mom's side, clear as day. Which makes no sense because I can't even properly see a short distance in front of me without my glasses, but I saw everything. He was wearing a dark brown suede blazer. His hair was long, wet, and covering his entire face. He was just standing there. And I was terrified. I pulled a sheet over my face, like that was gonna help. But then again, I clearly don't learn. And so I looked again. And he was closer, not walking, not moving normally, just closer than he'd had been before. At this point, my heart is racing. I grab onto my mom and then I look one more time. Big mistake, because now he is right there leaning over me.

• 51:05Corinne Vien?

  So close that his hair is basically in my face. I immediately pulled the covers over my head again, held on to my mom for dear life. And I must have eventually fallen asleep because I don't really remember anything after that. But the next day I went to school like normal. And when I got home, my mom told me that the woman had come earlier that day to cleanse the house. And this is where things get crazy.

• 51:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 51:25Corinne Vien?

  During, as if things weren't already.

• 51:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Also sad because I feel like you, you want to believe a blessing will help.

• 51:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, or that you fell asleep and you didn't just like blackout from the fear. During the cleansing, she said that she saw a well dressed man in a brown blazer run out of the house and then disappear into smoke.

• 51:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 51:43Corinne Vien?

  And then she tells my mom something that she should not have known at all. She says, I spoke to the Tokoloshis in your shower. They said that they were sent by a witch, sent by your ex husband. They were sent to watch you, especially in the shower, to disturb you and report everything back to him. I was floored because as insane as that sounds, it explains everything. That feeling in the shower, the noises at night, what my mom was saying, what I saw, all of it. And the craziest part, it meant I wasn't crazy. Something actually was there watching us because someone sent it to.

• 52:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, uh, that's my story. I do have a few others, mostly dreams, but nothing has ever hit me the way that this did. So stay safe, ladies, because sometimes the things watching you were put there on purpose. See you on the other side. And this is from Natalie Rose.

• 52:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I am glad that the blessing did work because I got nervous when you said, this is where things get crazy. I thought like the blessing made it worse because we've also had experiences like that or read stories like that. But damn. I wish that when a witch or a healer or someone who has these abilities came to remove a curse, they could trace it directly back to who put it on. Like, yes, it was sent by her ex husband. But what witch did he go to? Because I want to go have a word with her.

• 53:08Corinne Vien?

  And I feel like you should be able to reverse it where it goes back to.

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Him.

• 53:12Corinne Vien?

  And.

• 53:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her.

• 53:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:15Corinne Vien?

  Anyone who created it gets it slapped back at them.

• 53:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Karma. Speaking of karma, here's a little bit of a pleasant story. Um, at my soccer game this past weekend, we had a double header. We had back to back games. And so being the team mom that I am, I brought orange slices. Yeah. And we had so many of them that I, in the middle of our second game, brought a bag over to the other team. And everyone on my team was like, that's too nice. Why would you do that? Like, if we lose, it's because of you. And then we won. And then everyone at the end of the game was like, okay, it was karma. You did something good.

• 53:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you did something good. Also, like, we're adults.

• 53:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. It was, it was a funny like joke. But anyway, karma is real.

• 53:56Corinne Vien?

  Everyone, yeah, feed the whole world.

• 53:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And I was like, you know what? We have extra. Why not? I'm a witch.

• 54:04Corinne Vien?

  She will win every soccer game if she feeds you her magical oranges.

• 54:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll sprinkle a little like losing dust on them for you.

• 54:11Corinne Vien?

  Loser, loser, loser, loser.

• 54:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She loves me, she loves me not. She loves me, she loves me not. Loser, winner, loser, winner. I love these types of stories.

• 54:21Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 54:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's also just so sad how many people have dealt with curses.

• 54:24Corinne Vien?

  I know. This ended up kind of being a curse episode, even though it was supposed to be about witchcraft. But I feel like with witchcraft, there's so many.

• 54:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That helped remove the curses from the bad witches.

• 54:34Corinne Vien?

  Yes, generational witches who.

• 54:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good and evil.

• 54:37Corinne Vien?

  Contact you from the other side.

• 54:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 54:39Corinne Vien?

  And we'll be back again next week.

• 54:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, we will.

• 54:42Corinne Vien?

  With another haunting theme.

• 54:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Next week's is really scary.

• 54:47Corinne Vien?

  So you better come back. Or if you want to listen to it now, you can join Patreon because we release episodes ad free and one week early. So it's already out over there.

• 54:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unless you're listening to this on Patreon one week early and ad free.

• 54:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, sorry. You already, you already got your perk.

• 55:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. There's also lots of other perks on Patreon. Book club, witch class, we have campfire stories where you can come share your ghost story with us live on Zoom every Tuesday. We have stickers. We have so many other things. Um, but yeah, join us on Patreon or just join us here. Watch us on YouTube, tell your friends and family about us and send us any of your Halloween costumes that you end up doing this October because we always love the inspiration.

• 55:26Corinne Vien?

  And we have an annual costume contest.

• 55:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We didn't do last year and people were up.

• 55:30Corinne Vien?

  We didn't?

• 55:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, we dropped the ball. Yeah.

• 55:33Corinne Vien?

  Wow, I didn't realize that we didn't do it.

• 55:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because usually you're the one who's like, oh, we have to do the costume contest and we just didn't.

• 55:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so it was my fault. I forgot. Sorry. I forgot. I ordered the trophies. I do the thing.

• 55:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll bring it back this year. It's back. So send us your costumes.

• 55:46Corinne Vien?

  Shit.

• 55:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll pretend we didn't forget last year.

• 55:49Corinne Vien?

  Double the trophies. That's my promise to you.

• 55:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay, great.

• 55:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, add that to your list.

• 55:56Corinne Vien?

  More categories.

• 55:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you all for joining us and thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. We could not do this without you. So thank you so much.

• 56:03Corinne Vien?

  We love you all and we will see you on the other side.

• 56:15Speaker 06

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