Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?

Clayton Morris of Redacted on Brigitte Macron, false flags and how the world really works. (00:00) Why Morris Quit Fox News to Move to Portugal (08:53) How Portugal Is Being Exploited by the European Union (19:14) Why Are Female Leaders the Most Bloodthirsty? (25:55) Portugal’s Mass Medical Malfeasance (39:35) George Soros’ War with Russia (48:59) Trump and Vance’s Meeting With Zelensky Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Tucker Carlson?

  So, the last time, I think the last time we were physically together was when we worked together at Fox News.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 0:37Tucker Carlson?

  Hosting a morning show whose name I will not mention. I've always been embarrassed in the name of that show. There's some nice people on the show, nice people work on the show. I don't want to attack the show, but ugh, the name always, always made me cringe. But anyway.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Morning Joe.

• 0:52Tucker Carlson?

  So good.

• 1:13Tucker Carlson?

  You, me, Mika.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17Tucker Carlson?

  Blazan X.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  All of the neo cons.

• 1:21Tucker Carlson?

  Oh my gosh. And then you went off into, into business. I think you're the only person I've ever seen leave an anchor position in television voluntarily. No one ever does that. They wait to get destroyed in a sex scandal or, or you know, get dementia or something. But you actually just left and went into business and were successful. And then you moved to Europe with your family, your beautiful family. And then the, the next time I heard of you, I was taking my trash out and my neighbor goes, "Did you see what Clayton and Natalie said?" And I'm like, "I only know one Clayton and Natalie." And I was like, "Clayton Morris? Natalie Morris?" And he's like, "Yeah, and redacted their show. Did you see it?" And I was like, "No."

• 2:02Tucker Carlson?

  Anyway, and then I dove in and I saw that you had become legit successful in a completely different business, saying things that I loved and that were true and really brave. So it's just great to see you after all this time. What a life, what a life story you've had.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  It's amazing. I'm just so thrilled. I, you know, I just saw you in the parking lot and I was like, oh my God, run up and give you a hug because it's been

• 2:26Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Eight or nine years.

• 2:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  It's, it's crazy to think, I mean, the trajectory and I find it very difficult to relate to people that haven't been beat up.

• 2:35Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Scratched.

• 2:36Tucker Carlson?

  Totally agree with that.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Gone through the wringer, you know, like there's, it's like

• 2:40Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Operating at a different level now, you know, and so.

• 2:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's funny, I do remember you in commercial breaks, cause on those morning shows, you have really long commercial breaks.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50Tucker Carlson?

  And then, you know, one anchor will take a segment or whatever. There's like a lot of time sitting on the dumb couch and you never wasted a second of it. I'd like stare off into space like a dog or text my wife, naughty things, but you were constantly either doing business or reading about things. I'll never forget that. You were totally absorbed in your studies and your work in commercial breaks. Um, how did you wind up with redacted? Like, how did that, I've never even asked you, how'd you, how'd that happen?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  You know, after we left, so 10 years at Fox, great time, had a blast, but you know, you realize, oh, I've been doing the same sort of segments over and over again. You know, you're doing like the same breakfast cereal segment over and over again after 10 years and you're saying, okay, I want something different now. I want to be able to see my kids on the weekend. I don't want to have to wake up at 3:30 in the morning.

• 3:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  You know, and when everyone else is at the park with their kids on a weekend. You know, people at bagel shops and stuff like that. And so I didn't get to do that. And my wife would send me pictures of what the kids were doing, you know, making little projects or things and I would be at work, which is, you know, great.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  So then I, you know, it was after 10 years, I said, okay, enough is enough. And it's time to do something for myself and for my family. And then we thought about where in the world we would live, what part of the country would we live in? And we started thinking bigger about, well, maybe we'll just have this adventure and go to Europe and give that a shot. And we thought, well, Portugal, that's close enough to the East Coast. It's actually faster to fly from the East Coast of the US to Lisbon than it is from the East Coast to San Francisco, where my wife's family is from. So, great, the kids are young enough. We have three kids, like, let's give them this adventure. Let's try it for ourselves. And things were getting crazy in the United States at the

• 4:36Speaker 02

  time, descending into, you know, a crime haven, wide open, you know, borders and all of that. So it was an opportunity, I think, for us to go there. And then I started thinking, wait a second, because I can't just sit still. I have to, I have to be creating or working on something. Maybe it's the Capricorn energy. I can't just like, not be creating. I think that's why we're here also, like, of course, like, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to choose an easy life. Comfort is not the point. So I enjoy creating and making things and trying things and, you know, you know, I don't know, building a channel and all those things are interesting to me and always been fascinating to me. But I, you'll find out really quickly if you're doing it and

• 5:19Speaker 02

  you don't love it, it'll fizzle out after like a month, you know? So I always encourage people, yeah, just try things, you know? You want to start a business, just try it. And if it speaks to you and, you know, then you'll do it. So I realized we're there in Europe, we've got a five hour time difference, a jump on sort of the morning of the East Coast of the United States. And I'm a news junkie, so I'm always constantly seeing what's going on and watching what's going on with COVID. You're seeing all of these world events. And I thought, I want to talk about this. I want to be able to do something. So launched this show kind of in the morning. And I remember my years ago, because I lived in Los Angeles, I hated being three hours behind the East Coast. And I worked on a morning show called

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Good Day LA, and I was a producer then. And I, I hated, it was like two in the morning, knowing that like, people on the East Coast already had a kind of jump on the world. Oh, yeah. And it sort of bothered me mentally. So now I had a five hour jump on the East Coast, you know? And I said, you know, I'm going to start to do like a morning show. Again, I grew up doing morning shows for 20 years. Maybe I should try that here. But now I don't have to wake up at three in the morning. I can just do it. And started it during COVID, really during all of the lies that were pouring out of COVID. And at the time, uh, my father was, was, had just gotten, uh, just had a stroke. It was going, you know, going through not being able to see him in a hospital.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  And hearing the ridiculous rules that were unfolding, both in Europe and in the United States, about COVID and lockdowns and standing six feet apart and, you know, nursing homes in New York and Andrew Cuomo, all of these things were converging, I think, at the same time. Printing money, we're just gonna hand out thousands of dollars in checks to people and keep them home and no businesses will run. We're gonna kill chickens, we're gonna, you know, all these farmers had, were killing animals. Something's like, I, I just, I don't know, it just, that was really impetus for me to, to start the show. And then it evolved more, I realized we're not talking most about money. We're really talking about, um, a lot of redacted things.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  And that's where I came up with the idea for the name redacted because we were holding up like Pfizer's own documents on the show and like they're redacted or UFO files that were redacted. And I said, I just was sitting there one afternoon, just kinda contemplating and I said, that's the name of the show, just redacted. That's just gonna be the name of the show. And then I, I conned my wife into doing the show with me.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  She's a journalist by trade, she's an amazing writer, um, and really an amazing researcher. And I said, you're gonna do the show with me. And she said, yeah, I think I want to, I don't know that I want to, but I, and now she's just come alive. It's just been amazing to watch her, this sort of San Francisco liberal, like transform. And now she's angry, she can't, it's so amazing to watch her be angry at all the lies that she's been told over the years that she's, she's angrier than me because I was sort of in it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I worked at Fox and I was seeing the pattern of lies. And I didn't quite understand the neocon pattern of lies as well as I, as I do now.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  But she, you know, who would read Hillary Clinton's books back in the day and, you know, all of that now, she's war monger, you know? And it's been amazing to see her come alive with that and she'll just get angry about it and she'll say, "Aren't you angry about it?" I said, "Yes, but I've known a lot of this, what, you know, Obama has droned these people." And, but she's amazing. She's, you know, she's now run with it in such a way that I'm just so, I'm just so touched to watch. And I think we do a great job together in kind of keeping each other in balance.

• 9:03Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's certainly been successful, like way more than anyone would have predicted, probably even you.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure. I would have thought this is just going to be a drop in the ocean.

• 9:13Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no. I checked your numbers this morning, yes. Quite, quite successful and well deserved and just an amazing story. So you spent five years to the day in Europe, you're now back in the United States. You spent five years in Portugal at a time when Europe was really, really changing. Or the changes that had already taken place have become, I think, more obvious to those paying attention. What was your view after living there for that long?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  First, let me say the, because I want to be respectful of the Portuguese people. They were amazing. The people are amazing.

• 9:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  It's the government.

• 9:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  That, and I feel really terribly for the Portuguese people who in many ways, and this is across Europe, they've really given up their power to Brussels.

• 10:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  So 80% of all the decisions that are really made in Portugal aren't made in Portugal, they're made in Brussels. So they have to fund the boondoggle in Ukraine? They have to send the one tank that they have from the 1970s that might, may or may not still be working to Ukraine because of some dog and pony show propaganda?

• 10:28Speaker 02

  So I saw-

• 10:29Tucker Carlson?

  That's democracy, so the-

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:31Tucker Carlson?

  The Portuguese, the millions of Portuguese people have no say over their own lives or where their money goes or-

• 10:36Speaker 02

  No, no, and transact the way that they want, to be able to transact in cash the way that they want. It's all outsourced, you know, to Christine Lagarde or Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels, who get to tell them how to live their lives. And the Portuguese people do not like the European Union. I think most people in the European Union, I can't speak for everyone, of course, but you ask the common person, the worker, the laborer, the restaurant owner, the Adega owner, do you like the European Union? They don't know them. They don't know the unelected people in Brussels.

• 11:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  And no, they don't. They know their local, you know, local county representatives and those individuals. But those people are all hamstrung by what happens in Brussels. Just to give you an idea, like, I don't know if you saw, I think it was last year, maybe a year and a half ago now, Christine Lagarde was, I think, punked, but told some pretty open truths about Europeans being able to transact with cash. And she said, she said in this fake interview that, that on the gray market, if you spend more than a certain couple hundred dollars of euros,

• 11:59Speaker 02

  that you're considered part of the gray market, AKA a terrorist.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  So-

• 12:04Tucker Carlson?

  If you spend it on, like, nuclear materials or small arms or-

• 12:08Speaker 02

  No, no, pay your gardener. You're a terrorist. So, yeah, if you're buying plutonium to create the flux capacitor in order to travel back in time, you might be on the gray market. But no, just to transact in cash, I mean-

• 12:24Tucker Carlson?

  For anything.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  For anything. And if you look across Europe, every European country has a different threshold. So Spain, for instance, a thousand euros. If you spend more than a thousand euros in cash, you're considered on the gray market, AKA a terrorist.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Every country's different, some 500 euros, 800 euros, 1500 euros. And across the board, the European threshold now is 10,000 euros to be able to transact in cash. And anything more than that, you're on the gray market. What, what's the idea there? The idea is that terrorists use cash. And so therefore, if you use cash, they, then you're a terrorist. But terrorists don't use open borders that they created. No, they don't use open borders. Terrorists adhere to local state regulations and laws. Fair. So what I saw happening in Europe was, you know, when we emigrated to Portugal,

• 13:21Speaker 02

  we had to go through massive hoops and hurdles of paperwork to show that we were people of means. Yes. Right? To show that we weren't going to leech off of their system. Fair. Which is fair. Yeah. And great, we are a guest in your country. Let's be respectful of your country, your tax laws. We, we found out there were a lot of people who would do sort of like digital nomad type work. You know what they are? They're like the Instagram girls that go on the beach. They pretend that they're working on a laptop. Yeah. You know, and they're really, I mean, come on. And so we would hear, we heard that like, don't do that because the European commit, they're watching. Like they're watching you for tax purposes. We're like, well, we're not going to do that. We're going to, we pay our taxes. We'll be respectful.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  We had no intention of like not paying our taxes here. But apparently it was happening a lot. So we went through, made sure everything was legit, met with the tax authority, got a, set our business up, all of it. Paperwork, got our residency cards, all of those pieces that you would normally do if you're coming into a country legally. And you're going to, you're being respectful of their laws. So.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  I don't want to say I'm elite or something, but there's much more regulation for someone like me than there are for criminals. So you can just come across the border and then just, you know, have gang opportunities and do whatever you want, I guess, if you're a criminal. But if you're, if you're a person of means, who has children and wants to do things legitimately, then you're gonna have to jump through massive amounts of hoops and hurdles in order to immigrate. But wanna, wanna walk into Germany? Wanna go, you know, go to a park and be a part of a gang and, you know, and attack young girls? I'm sure that's fine. That's, Europe has totally welcomed that. They've had wide open borders all across Europe, and now they're reaping what they've sowed.

• 15:11Tucker Carlson?

  It seems like suicide to me, big picture. It seems like a society that wants to kill itself.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  It does, but if you talk to the Portuguese people, or you talk to the European people, whether you're in, in Belgium, and I, and I've gotten, since I lived there, traveled all over that, that area, talk to, you know, uh, talk to an inn owner in Scotland, for instance, um, talk to an, uh, you know, restaurant owner in Edinburgh, talk to, uh, to some workers in, you know, in Munich. They don't want that. But they've conceded, you know, they've conceded their power to this unelected body in Brussels that runs the show. I mean, you saw it on display over the past few weeks. Vladimir Zelensky comes to the White House,

• 15:57Speaker 02

  gets a dressing down, and that little cocaine sniffing troll is there, you know, he didn't, he looked like a deer in headlights. And then he's totally welcomed with open arms in Europe. I mean, they roll out the red carpet for him. Ursula von der Leyen in her half a can of hairspray hair. Uh, I'm sure there's like a squirrel living in there somewhere. Um, and then you have Costa from Portugal. And by the way, what's hilarious to me, and to Natalie as well, we, we joke about these people in Europe, that the people that are now a part of like the European Commission in Belgium, they've all failed up. This is what Natalie likes to say, they've failed up, because all of these people, whether it's Mark Rutte, and then the Netherlands, who's kicked out of the Netherlands, is now

• 16:42Speaker 02

  the head of NATO.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Costa, huge scandal in Portugal, is now sitting in Brussels. Ursula von der Leyen, I'm trying to think who else, who else has failed up. All around that table are people who've basically failed up. They've, they should have been kicked out, they've basically been kicked out of their countries. But then they get elevated in positions of power in Brussels, which is hilarious. Unelected, by the way.

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• 20:32Tucker Carlson?

  One thing I've learned just from this whole last five years is that female leaders are not what I thought they were. When I was a kid in the 70s, you used to hear feminists say, "Give a woman a chance. You know, it'll be a more peaceful world." Which, not a crazy idea. I mean, all the women in my life are peaceful and loving.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:51Tucker Carlson?

  And so I kind of thought, that's probably true, actually.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:53Tucker Carlson?

  You know, men fight wars and, and all that, women don't. But then we've wind up with all these female leaders who are the most warlike and bloodthirsty and just can't wait to murder people. They just can't wait.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:05Tucker Carlson?

  You can see it, there, that, that girl from Estonia. I mean, I mean.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:09Tucker Carlson?

  She would kill people without even flinching.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  A foreign minister in Germany, Baerbach.

• 21:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, what is that?

• 21:16Speaker 02

  She publicly said that she cares more about the Ukrainian people than her own German people.

• 21:21Tucker Carlson?

  Like, but, but that's killing. I mean, she, they're for killing. They're all in.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Hillary Clinton?

• 21:25Tucker Carlson?

  Hillary Clinton? I mean, you see that in our country, the most warlike, the, you know, quickest to Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter. You know, there's so many.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland.

• 21:37Tucker Carlson?

  Like, what is that?

• 21:38Speaker 02

  I don't know what it is. I, I.

• 21:41Tucker Carlson?

  What is that? I think it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Well, I guess, I mean, it comes, it's gotta come from their father, right? So I'd be an interesting sort of sociological look.

• 21:49Tucker Carlson?

  They can't wait to shed blood.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Exactly. To look at Hillary Clinton's father, to look at Susan Rice's father, to look at Victoria Nuland's father. Like, is there a common denominator? I don't know. I don't have the research on that.

• 21:59Tucker Carlson?

  It's bizarre.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  I'm gonna work on that. I'm gonna.

• 22:01Tucker Carlson?

  So how do you, I mean, I don't know if it's noble, but how do the, you know, the citizens with no power in a place like Portugal feel about the idea of marching off to war with Russia?

• 22:14Speaker 02

  They abhor it. You know, Portugal has a long history, of course. They, they, of war. So they abhor war.

• 22:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  They, uh, they were the first warriors. I mean, talk about conquering other countries. They know a lot about bloodshed.

• 22:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  They've done it to a great degree around the world. Uh, so they don't want to be a part of that anymore.

• 22:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  They've tried it. And in fact, many ways, the, I, when I first moved there, I thought the United States could learn a lot about the Portuguese, this sort of colonizing and the empire building.

• 22:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  And what it does to your country, you know, what it does to destroy your country, uh, what it does to your culture. So the United States could learn quite a bit about saying, eh, we tried that. We tried that for the last 60 years. We're in Sudan, we're in Syria, killing people. We are in, you know, Yemen, killing people. We're in Ukraine clandestinely killing people. Uh, maybe we should pull back from this. We're in, you know, operations in Haiti, for crying out loud. I mean, where aren't we? We have, we have over 900 military bases around the world. To me, that's like 900 too many, personally. I'm sure there are neo cons who would argue against it. We need. Here's, well, in fact, Clayton, there are neo cons who would argue against it.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  We need to have bases in Stuttgart. Right. We need to have an island that was unoccupied in Japan is now a US military base. You know, basically two years ago. We need to be in Australia. We've taken over Australia, basically. It's a basically a proxy for the United States. You know, we need to, we need to have a massive new NATO base in Poland. Of course we do. Romania. Romania, because of, uh, because of our security. So the, the European people, and I can't, again, I can't speak for all of them. But I mean, the Portuguese people that I know absolutely don't want war.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  But it's amazing, it was amazing to watch because as this whole theater was unfolding in Ukraine, the Portuguese just basically, they kind of go along with it. I mean, they were a socialist government up until, well, still, you know, led by socialists, but they were really, uh, you know, under, under Salazar up until the seventies. So when the government tells them to do something, they do it. You know, when they get a text alert telling them they need to go and get their COVID shot, the Portuguese are rule followers. They are absolutely rule follower. They will do it. Most, most people are. Yeah. And when you have a government that threatens you. Yes. You know, and you're just trying to take care of your family. You don't want something to happen to your children, your way of life.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Uh, you don't want to get some nasty gram in the mail threatening your life. Most people are compliant in that way. So they get a text message, go and get your next, you know, second COVID shot. You got your first one, go get it, you know, and get a text message and they got it. They were at a report to a center to go and do that, you know? It's unbelievable. And I would get in fights because I'm an American. I would, people would tell me to put on a mask, you know, authorities and I'd tell them like, no, and I would yell at them about putting on a COVID mask. I'm not going to do it, you know? Trying to go to the grocery store. You had to put it, no, I'm not wearing it, you know? So we get in fights. I was getting fights a lot. And my wife be like, hey, just, you know, so. I've lived it. As a good wife would, you know, like, so, uh, and I just would yell at the ridiculousness of these things. For instance,

• 25:36Speaker 02

  there's a, there's a thing along in Kuskaish Bay. I don't know if you've ever had a chance to go to Kuskaish, which is just outside of Lisbon. It's a beautiful little like, uh, very like wealthy area, I guess. Um, and it's very cosmopolitan. So you get a lot of different, you know, French there. Yep. British there, um, uh, wealthy Portuguese. It's very interesting area. It's more of a touristy area. But anyway, there's a big sea wall called the Paradao. And it runs along the ocean for about five kilometers. And, uh, while we were renting an apartment there for a little while, the, I would walk the dog along there and, uh, it's very wide. I mean, it's

• 26:16Speaker 02

  maybe 40 feet, 50 feet wide. It's huge. Bike paths on it. There's like workout equipment, the whole thing like, so it's, it's wide and there's the ocean is right there. It's beautiful. It's all stone. So take the dog on a walk. Then when COVID hits, they shut it down. They put like the police tape around all the outside, outside workout equipment that sits in the sun, by the way. So you couldn't work out. You couldn't, you know, do any pull ups or anything like that because I guess COVID could survive out in this, by the ocean.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Like, I don't know if you've ever had a bicycle by the ocean, you sit it there for like a day, it's all rusted.

• 26:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  But COVID can survive on workout equipment in the sun, you know, it's ridiculous. So I'm glad they put police tape all around this stuff.

• 27:00Tucker Carlson?

  COVID doesn't rust.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Right, right. It doesn't run. So, you know, you would walk along this paradal, now they roped it off, you couldn't do it anymore. And there would be surfers out in the water still kind of breaking the rules and the police. So the surfers were constantly running from the police because they, Portuguese love surfing. They have some of the best surfers in the world. So they're out surfing and the police would pull down and the surfers, you'd see them scatter along the waves and run up the banks to get away from the police who were constantly chasing them out of the ocean surfing while they were, you know, while COVID was striking, you know. Anyway, all that to say.

• 27:36Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, can I just pause and say, what's interesting is, I mean, a country like that needs a revolution.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Tucker Carlson?

  And hopefully not a violent one. I'm against violence, but it needs a revolution. Like any government that do that to its own people needs to be overthrown in some way or another. But I bet you that Portugal, like the rest of the West, didn't even come close.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  No, not even close. I mean, when they told you to stay inside, there was no one on the street. You know, the rule on the weekend was you had to be in your house by noon.

• 28:02Tucker Carlson?

  Noon?

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Noon. You couldn't, or noon or, yeah, noon or two o'clock, forgive me for, but it was right around the, you know, once you were done with your lunch, basically, you couldn't be on the streets. You couldn't be driving a car, any of that. And so whole communities would just shut down. And, you know, I never left the house anyway, so it was okay for me. So I'd just take a walk with the dog or whatever, but it was unbelievable. You couldn't be out. All the restaurants were forced to shut down.

• 28:26Tucker Carlson?

  What if you didn't want to get the COVID vax?

• 28:30Tucker Carlson?

  Did anyone not get it there?

• 28:32Speaker 02

  No. I mean, it was like overwhelming. It's like Israel. I think it was like overwhelming, like everyone got it, right? I think it was like.

• 28:38Tucker Carlson?

  In Israel, I think everyone, I don't know, but I keep reading that.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Wouldn't you love to see the data? Because I'm sure they'll keep it hidden from us. And I've been very curious about the Israeli data. They had some of the best reporting, like their VAERS system is way better than the United States for data.

• 28:55Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  I would love.

• 28:57Tucker Carlson?

  The vaccine injury, self-reported vaccine injury.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Exactly. So only a fraction of.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Injuries were reported to the VAERS system in the United States.

• 29:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Right. So we know that a frac- in Israel, they have all the data. I would love to know what all that vaccine injury data looks like, if they ever come forward with it fully. And maybe they have, and I haven't seen it yet, but that would be fascinating to look into. I'm sure someone out there would, um, would look into that. But anyway, and same with Portugal, I mean, very high rates of, of getting.

• 29:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did you know anyone who didn't take it?

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Um.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 29:34Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:35Tucker Carlson?

  So it was pretty much universal uptake?

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. That's crazy.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Um, and we were lucky because we were, you know, residents, we didn't have to. Like, we were so, thank God, like, our kids, nothing like that. But, oh, all the kids, like, every, like, Portuguese, as far as I know, had to, was required. And they would send out text alerts. We would get text alerts, like, get your kids vaccinated. And I was like, no way, sorry, not gonna happen. So, but I'm sure Portuguese kids did. So I, again, I would love to know what the actual data is from Europe, once all the dust settles from this. The white fibrous clots that we're seeing, of course, through, through, in the, all across the United States now, the massive white fibrous clots that we're seeing, um, from, from people living and dead, uh, that undertakers are seeing in the United States at record levels, they've never seen it before.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Where are these? We, oh, I've been an undertaker for 40 years. I've never once seen these massive white fibrous clots that seem to have begun in the past few years as a result of something?

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Maybe we could look into that. Uh, just a suggestion.

• 30:39Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  But we won't look into it, I'm sure.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  So, yeah, all, yeah, all that to say, like, walking along that seawall, I just, to make this analogy, that's all roped off, 40 feet of wide open space. But you can walk up the street on the sidewalk, in Portugal, the sidewalks are like this big. Like, you could fit basically me on the sidewalk. You have to turn sideways when you're walking, but that's open. So let's just be clear. I can't walk down here where I'm gonna walk into somebody. I wouldn't walk into somebody. I have 15 feet of berth. Up there, I have to pass right next to somebody, and that's their law. So it was ridiculous. It was all over the place. In many ways, it was worse than the United States.

• 31:19Tucker Carlson?

  But nobody got together and said, hey, we need to overthrow this tyrannical government?

• 31:23Speaker 02

  No, no, no, of course.

• 31:24Tucker Carlson?

  So that is like the deep left. No, I mean, if you grew up in the United States, hearing about, which I'm sure no one ever mentions at this point, but, you know, the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution, and, you know, free people determined to remain free, and throwing off the yoke of tyranny, and using arms to do it, but also, but more than just violence, but, you know, explaining why they're doing it.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:46Tucker Carlson?

  And standing on true principle. If you grew up hearing about that, then you think, well, that, you know, that desire to be free beats in every human heart, and, you know, but I guess it doesn't. I don't really know. But there's no evidence that anybody is organizing to push back against this. And I just want to say really clearly, I think they should. But no one seems to be.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Although, I see some bright spots. I mean, over the past few days, massive protests in Paris.

• 32:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Against Emmanuel Macron and the French funding of Ukraine.

• 32:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  I would definitely see demonstrations, people organizing, but not very large. And you have to understand also, there's massive censorship, and there are, you know, you will be, you, we have canceling, you know, cancel culture. I have journalist friends in Portugal who lost their jobs because they spoke out. They were, you know, university. They spoke out against Ukraine. They were journalists, and they were telling the Portuguese people what was actually happening in Ukraine, and they were fired from their positions at university.

• 32:53Tucker Carlson?

  Really? In Portugal, they would fire an on-air journalist for opposing the Ukraine war?

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, we would have the-

• 33:00Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just glad that would never happen in the United States.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Can you imagine?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  It's amazing, it's been amazing to me to watch the unfolding, the propaganda. It's amazing that it took this long. So a few weeks ago, Zelensky's in the Oval Office. I don't know if you saw that.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  And it was like Bring Your Kid to Work Day, you know, at the Oval Office. And like, let daddy speak now here in the Oval Office about what's actually happening. But it was amazing, suddenly then, of course, social media exploded with people for the first time, it seemed like, understanding that, wait a second, this isn't all as it seems here. And then, then of course, you had the massive, the same massive army, the bot army and everything else from a few years ago, that was really defending the war in Ukraine, which had really been lessened over the past few years. I don't know if their CIA farm, you know, bot farms or whatever were drying up in Ukraine. The CIA was like repositioning resources for how they were going to carry that out. Suddenly, it was like a flood. It

• 34:05Speaker 02

  was like, oh, my God, they flipped the servers back on or something like that. You know, Victoria Nuland got on the phone and was like, hey, get those, you know, get the websites back up again, get the bot army, you know, going on social media and trying to protect the war in Ukraine, because now Trump was showing the truth here and J.D. Vance were showing the truth that was unfolding. So it's been this unbelievable resurgence over the past few weeks.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  The propaganda for Ukraine, you saw the massive Ukrainian flag being unfurled in Washington, D.C. the other day. Who funded that? Flags are popping up all over again. Like, I've seen them just driving around. Ukrainian flags are now back in people's windows again. People are putting Ukrainian flags back in their social media profiles again. Like, what the hell's going on in the past few days? Like, it's just, it's unbelievable.

• 34:54Tucker Carlson?

  And it's not just bots. It's like, it's the Wall Street Journal. It's, you know, Neil Ferguson, the eminent historian, and, you know, it's, it's a lot of people, actually. All of a sudden, they're like, no, no, no, no, we're, you know, four square behind Zelensky. Where do those orders come from? Like, what is that? Zelensky can't win. He's helped destroy his own country. I think the United States has destroyed his country. I think the Biden administration destroyed his country. I actually don't think it's really Zelensky's fault, if I'm being honest. But whatever, like, we did Ukraine wrong. And yet, all these people, some of them with jobs, and they're not bots, they're human beings, I know some of them. They're like, all in? What is that?

• 35:37Speaker 02

  I don't understand. To me, it's a kind of a madness.

• 35:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it does feel that.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Because I, something that's happened to me over the past year, maybe I've become more empathetic.

• 35:49Tucker Carlson?

  Good.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  But when it comes to not knowing things. Like, I have more empathy now for people who, like, a family, a family of five, they got three kids. They work all day, they get a few minutes of news at night.

• 36:06Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Right? They flip on CNN, or another channel, like, it's no longer in business, but I think you even used to work there a few years ago, but it just went out of business called MSNBC. Like, they'll flip on, like, they'll flip on that, you know? And they get a few minutes of news, and then they've put their kids to bed, they make dinner, or whatever. So I have empathy for those people.

• 36:27Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, gosh, yes.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Where I, where I lose my empathy is for people who have access to this information. Whether it's, you know, neocons in Washington, or whatever else, they know.

• 36:41Tucker Carlson?

  Are you speaking directly of Ann Applebaum?

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Yes, Ann Applebaum, whose husband-

• 36:46Tucker Carlson?

  The staff at The Atlantic.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Who's, who's, like, husband, what, cheer led the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline, you know?

• 36:53Tucker Carlson?

  Radek Sikorski, lunatic.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, these people who have access to the information, but then choose to go the evil route. That's where I lose it, you know? So again, I have empathy for people that just don't understand. And you see this awakening, I think, over the past few weeks about, like, what was this dressing down of Zelensky in the Oval Office? Like, I don't understand. Wait a second, I thought he was the hero. We see him on the Grammys. Right? He pops up every time there's an award show, he's asking for money. Thank you for standing with Ukraine. Like, he's our guy. So wait a minute, you're telling me that this is wrong?

• 37:24Tucker Carlson?

  But nobody cares about Ukraine. We just watched like the murder of like its entire young male population and like, we want more to die. So we're not for Ukraine, we're against Russia. And we're so against Russia that calling someone pro Russia is a slur, basically. But no one ever explains, why are we supposed to be against Russia? Like I'm, I feel like I'm coming to a conversation late. I missed the predicate, like the part where you explained to me why I have to hate Russia. I'm totally agnostic on Russia. Well, now I have been to Moscow a couple of times. I think it's the most beautiful city I've ever been to. So I like Moscow, but I still don't even have strong feelings about Russia. Why am I supposed to hate Russia? Like, what is this? Cause like they mistreat, I don't, I don't, I'm

• 38:07Tucker Carlson?

  gonna speculate what this is, but I don't get it still, three years in.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Didn't you see the movie Red Dawn in the 1980s?

• 38:15Tucker Carlson?

  But those are the Soviets. Like, I'm totally opposed to the Soviets.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  They're going to invade us right now. Aren't you paying attention?

• 38:21Tucker Carlson?

  But the truth is, it's so many of the people who are now fanatically opposed to Russia were not fanatically opposed to the Soviets.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:27Tucker Carlson?

  So what the hell is going on? I actually think even the term Ukraine is a distraction from the truth, which is we're at war, we are at war with Russia. That war is funded by the United States primarily. It's, I mean, some of the attacks on Russia were coordinated by US military personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government is supported wholly by the United States. Our intel agencies and our intel officers are in Ukraine directing the Ukrainian intel service. So these are all facts. So like, we are at war with Russia, but why? And why the hatred?

• 39:03Speaker 02

  I think you, if you, so that's a brilliant question, why? Maybe it goes back to looking at George Soros and his, I think an essay that he wrote in the 1990s about this, because he's been largely involved in his open society project, which is the destruction of Russia.

• 39:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  So the destruction of Russia. is meant to enable the expansion of the United States militarily and economically. We need to destroy Russia. We need to destroy China, according to George Soros, in order for that expansion. So George Soros intimately involved with the expansion of NATO, using Slavic people, not Americans, to die on behalf of George Soros and NGOs like USAID and others and others to have this massive change. So Adam Schiff said it publicly on the House floor, for crying out loud. I mean, I played that clip a million times. We, they die over there, so we don't have to, we fight them over there, so we, they

• 40:04Speaker 02

  don't have to, we don't have to fight them here. It's the same thing, I don't know if you saw Eric Swalwell last week, for crying out loud. He said this is the greatest investment we've ever made. Meaning, and he said, zero Americans have died, which is a lie, by the way, because there's actually been a number of Americans that have died fighting Russia in Ukraine.

• 40:20Tucker Carlson?

  A bunch of Americans have died.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  It'd be interesting to see finally, when those families have been told to sign NDAs and not speak about it, I know for a fact that Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia.

• 40:32Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, some of it's on camera, by the way.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they'll deny it. They'll say that these were just mercenaries, they weren't tied to it, they're just, oh, they were there voluntarily, like the guy who tried to kill Trump in Mar-a-Lago, like, you know, these are just, these are, we have no control over these people. That's total bullshit. Of course you have control over these people.

• 40:49Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you could, you know, very easily say that, and we probably should say that no American is allowed to serve in a foreign military. I don't understand, um, I mean, we have a person serving on the National Security Council right now, who served in the Ministry of Defense in a foreign country, like, no, how about no?

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:09Tucker Carlson?

  You're not allowed to have multiple citizenships? You're not allowed to serve in a foreign military? What? If that's not disloyal, I don't know what is. We have a military, we have all kinds of clear and present threats. Basically because the people serving in foreign militaries, you know, encouraged us to get involved in all this crap. Anyway, whatever.

• 41:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:28Tucker Carlson?

  We could clearly shut that down and we haven't. Do you, you made reference to NDAs. Do you think that people have been pushed to sign NDAs?

• 41:36Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure. The families of those who have fallen specifically in, in Ukraine. I wonder how many people, I wonder if we're, you know, President Trump transparency, how many, how many Americans have died in Ukraine fighting Russia? And then how many families of those special forces or, you know, just NATO's, whatever NATO soldiers have had to sign NDAs about their service there?

• 42:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's wild. I never even thought of that.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  I've had, you know, former members of the CIA tell me that. High ranking members of the military tell me that. So I would like to know, maybe the Trump administration can pull these numbers out and we can hear more about that. How many Americans have died? Because we know French, Polish, Polish more than anyone dying in Ukraine. I mean, talk about a country that's been destroyed.

• 42:25Tucker Carlson?

  I was about to say, I hate to say it, but the Poles who I think are great people for the record, never met a Pole I didn't like, except for Anne Applebaum's husband. But, um, boy, they always end up bearing the brunt of everything in Europe.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, massive NATO bases, flood of refugees that have completely changed their country. Millions of Ukrainian refugees that poured across the border that they just welcomed in with open arms. The language totally changed in neighborhoods across, across Poland. So instead of speaking Polish, you're just hearing Ukrainian now through these neighborhoods, completely changed that. So when I look at the project and going back, you know, go back to the nineties, you know, go back just a few years to 2014, I've seen this awakening or at least an awareness over the past week, once Trump and JD Vance dressed down Zelensky

• 43:19Speaker 02

  in the Oval Office to say, because Zelensky lied right to their faces multiple times, that Putin violated our exchange of prisoners. He violated the Minsk agreements. Well, if anyone's sitting there saying, oh, really? Oh, so Putin's the bad guy? He's the one who violated the prisoner swap? Really? That's, no, no. So when you start looking at it, no, that, that's not at all what happens. Zelensky lied right to Trump's face, right to Zelensky's face. That Putin violated the prisoner exchange in 2019? That's total bullshit. Total BS. In fact, Zelensky is on camera welcoming the prisoners back at a ceremony.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  I think it was in Paris in 2019. So Putin didn't violate that at all. In fact, he adhered to it. Same with the Minsk agreements, which we know Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany at the time, joked later that they were never going to adhere to the Minsk agreements to provide peace and stick with that. Instead, they carried out a genocide in eastern Ukraine, what was eastern Ukraine, for 10 years. No one wants to talk about the civilians that were killed. This infuriates me at a level... Just picture a child in Donbass or Donetsk or Luhansk, walking to school, and they go through a park, and they pick up one of these pedal mines. Have you seen these pedal mines? These green, they look like a leaf?

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Journalist Eva Bartlett has done unbelievable work on this. But these kids, they're meant to look... So the kids walk up to them, and they pick them up, and their hands blow off. That's what these civilians have been dealing with in Donbass and Donetsk, in Luhansk, for 10 years. So ethnic Russians living in those areas. So when people say, "Oh, this thing started when Putin invaded." Okay, yes, I'm very anti-war, so I always feel like, yes, there's probably a way to solve it without killing people. So in that, I'll give you that. Putin maybe didn't need to invade in order to... And he didn't want to, by the way. He didn't want to. His government, his parliament, voted for it. He didn't want to.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  So to go into eastern Ukraine, in Donbass, in Donetsk, and Luhansk, set up areas and protect those ethnic Russians who are being slaughtered for the past 10 years.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  And it was the United States, it was NATO, it was Boris Johnson, it was all of those clowns pushing NATO right up to that doorstep and coordinating these attacks. I mean, the CIA, the New York Times had a whole profile on how CIA basically runs Ukraine, multiple field offices.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  So the coup that took place in 2014, I know you've spoken at length about this, you know all about it. I know your audience is well educated, they know all about it, but this was a CIA backed coup in 2014. We installed a Western puppet government in Ukraine after the Maidan coup to do our bidding. So I have some empathy for Zelensky and I'll tell you why, because here's a guy who's sitting in the White House. And I feel, and I feel like he doesn't know, first of all, he's not in power. And he's wondering, okay, I just got off the phone with Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice before I walked in here.

• 46:38Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly, and a bunch of low IQ Republican Senator warmonger freaks.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, so probably Lindsey Graham got on the phone with him.

• 46:44Tucker Carlson?

  Mike Rounds and all these people, yeah.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  And they're like, hey, Vladimir, I've been to your, you know, I've been to Ukraine many, many times. We've been funneling money and weapons to you for a long time. Here's what you need to do, you need to play hardball with Trump.

• 46:55Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  When you get in there, you need to tell them, we need security guarantees. Trump loves, you know, loves a little confrontation, so just do that, make sure, and I don't know if you know it, around the 34 minute mark in that confrontation, some little lackey from, from his staff leans over and gives him like marching orders.

• 47:14Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  So around the 34 minute mark, yeah, we did a thing about it like a couple of weeks ago, he leans over, I think it was a female, male, I forget. Anyway, leans over right to Zelensky and says something, you know, like for like a minute, it's like guiding like.

• 47:31Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  And then, then stuff hits the fan. Like, hey, remember that meeting you had, you know, I'm just speculating. Remember that meeting you had with Victoria Nuland yesterday, when you got, you know, just on the Susan Rice phone call, you know, like just remember, remember we talked about security guarantees, security guarantees, security guarantees. Right after that.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Fireworks.

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• 50:03Tucker Carlson?

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• 50:12Tucker Carlson?

  Get your edge back. That's the worst advice anyone has ever given anyone.

• 50:17Tucker Carlson?

  Try to outman Trump on camera.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 50:20Tucker Carlson?

  Patronize Trump on camera, call the Vice President, you know, a bitch in Ukrainian or Russian.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:29Tucker Carlson?

  And things will go well for you.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Right. How's that gonna go? And you know what is, it's interesting, it almost did. Because I don't think Trump heard it, or was fully aware at that moment, what was happening. Like I, when you see, you can see Trump, and he's just trying to be cordial.

• 50:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  And JD Vance hears it.

• 50:48Tucker Carlson?

  He's very, Trump is, for the record, Trump is extremely cordial, you know, for all the talk of how he's this florid lunatic.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  He doesn't want that, he didn't want those fireworks.

• 50:55Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, no, no, no, no. He is elaborately polite, and anyone who's dealt with him will tell you that. I mean, he's a, you know, he's like, he's like a innkeeper. I don't mean to be, um, to diminish his role, or be patronizing or anything like that, but he, he's the guy, he's like master of ceremonies, kind of personality.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:13Tucker Carlson?

  We're all here, it's, it's great. Like, he is not a public conflict guy at all.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. I've never really seen him, other than, you know, somebody standing up with a cane at a State of the Union address, and even then he was cordial, you know?

• 51:25Tucker Carlson?

  He really is, it's his, I mean, I've seen it a lot, it's his instinct.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:28Tucker Carlson?

  Like, I really believe the last thing that Trump wants is the kind of thing that happened with Zelensky. Like, he doesn't want that.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. He'd rather have it behind closed doors.

• 51:36Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  So I think when JD Vance saw that happening, you know, he called it out, um, he had had enough of it, I think, and, uh, but I felt, I guess all that to say, I felt bad for Zelensky in a way, because, you know, as a human being, here's a guy who, he doesn't know who's in charge.

• 51:53Tucker Carlson?

  No, he's a pawn.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  He's just a pawn, he's sitting there being used by Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and then of course, you're gonna see Susan Rice pop right up on television on CNN almost immediately. So they had her ready to go.

• 52:03Tucker Carlson?

  She's a hard, she was my neighbor for five years, we shared a backyard, um, very nice, and I liked her husband, um, and she has nice children, but, she's a hard case, like, for real. She's, she's a hard case, she's not.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  How do you mean?

• 52:17Tucker Carlson?

  She's just, you know, she's tough, she's not a sentimental person. Like, she knows, if she decides on a mission, like, whatever it takes to achieve the mission, period. I'm not even attacking her, I'm just noting that, you know, she's definitely not, um...

• 52:33Tucker Carlson?

  You know, someone who's gonna let human emotion get in the way of achieving what she thinks she wants to achieve.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  And so the mission, the mission is to destroy Russia.

• 52:41Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Right?

• 52:42Tucker Carlson?

  So getting back to the mission is to, just to be clear, Ukraine and Zelensky himself, I totally, you're the only other person I've heard say that, but I completely agree with you. As a human being, I feel for him. I think he's committed a lot of crimes. I think he's killed a ton of people, tried to assassinate a bunch of people. They have assassinated people. He's allowed his weapons to be sold to terrorist groups. I mean, it's really, he's really been bad. However, he is a pawn, and that's totally true. He's a hapless pawn. And the nation of Ukraine is caught between great powers, as it has been before, as Poland has before. And so they're all, in some deeper sense, victims. This is a war between the United States and Western Europe and Russia. And so it does raise the question once more, like, why?

• 53:24Tucker Carlson?

  And you, you're, I of course interrupted you, but, and I'm sorry, but your answer was, it's an economic play. They want the resources. Is that what you're saying, or?

• 53:33Speaker 02

  I think if you look at the clearest example of why comes from George Soros, I think, in his Open Society Project, to me, anyway. And if you see what he's been trying to do to destabilize and regime change, funding, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars to NATO, right? So you see the expansion of NATO almost concurrently with his massive amounts of donations to NATO. And to the expansion of NATO right up to their doorstep. So for all of the NATO is a defensive organization morons out there, you're lying. And the encircling of Russia has been the goal, has been the goal through these NGOs. Now, the CIA can't do it out publicly, right?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  So what does the CIA now use? They use NGOs. Whether it's the facilitation of, through USAID or other, you know, other non-governmental organizations.

• 54:27Tucker Carlson?

  Funding all these groups, yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Funding all these groups. So they do it so that they don't have to, they can kind of sit back from it. So the CIA can funnel billions of dollars into Ukraine through all of these different organizations and everything else. They can do it through our open borders project in the United States under the Biden administration, through the Catholic charities, through the, through HIAS, the Hebrew International Aid Society. So all of these NGOs that have facilitated the child sex trafficking in the United States, to me, is one of the greatest crimes. Of all time, and I'm really upset that we don't talk more about it. Maybe we can. But to me, the open society piece of this is the is the really the the has been a big driver of this. I can't say it's the only thing, but it's it's born out of those think tanks

• 55:11Speaker 02

  that NATO needs to expand, destabilize Russia, basically install a Western government in Russia to facilitate through mineral resources and everything else, making sure that they're using the US dollar. And the same thing with China, by the way. I mean, why are we Soros openly talks about this. So this is not like a fantasy.

• 55:32Tucker Carlson?

  I think it's grotesque. If that's really the goal to break apart Russia, and you heard that airhead from Estonia say that the other day, I think it should be a bunch of little countries. And it's like, yeah, the the thing that I respect most about Putin and appreciate and grateful for with Putin is that he's kept Russia together. They mourn nuclear weapons in any country in the world. It's the largest country in the world. It's 20% Muslim. It's like, it could easily become, you know, post Soviet Yugoslavia.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:04Tucker Carlson?

  With endless wars that would not only kill a lot of people there, but would also endanger the world. You lose track of nuclear weapons, really? I mean, it's insane, actually. What you want is stability and clear accounting of where the deadliest weapons are. Where are the biolabs? Where are the nuclear warheads? Like, you, that's super important. So if you had a Syria in Russia, like, everyone in the world would die. And so how, and I'm I'm no genius, that's for sure. And that's super obvious to me. So if you're pushing to break up Russia, it would instantly be in like a 500 year war with itself.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:43Tucker Carlson?

  Why would you want that?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  I don't know what drives these evil people. I really think

• 56:48Tucker Carlson?

  That's evil.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  I think they're demonic. I really think they're demonic.

• 56:51Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Because if most Americans understood, and we tried to do, at least on our show, some coverage of it, but like, look at Syria, for instance, right?

• 57:05Speaker 02

  If most Americans understood that there's a genocide happening in Syria.

• 57:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  That was backed by President Biden.

• 57:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  And the, you know, the removal of Assad, regardless of what you think about Assad, doesn't really matter.

• 57:19Tucker Carlson?

  Someone else I'm required to hate. I don't, you know, I don't have strong feelings, but.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  You're required to hate him and you're also required to believe the propaganda.

• 57:26Tucker Carlson?

  Because some douchebag at the Atlantic magazine decides he's in the way of some goal, some other country. No, no, no. I'm an American.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:35Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm a Christian also, and Assad protected the Christians. That's a fact. And whatever else he did. So I think it's totally fair for me to say, I don't want chaos in any country because it's a threat to me and my country will get terrorism because of it. Or mass invasions like Europe has had of refugees. And I don't want the Christians to be murdered. Like, I, I don't know.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Such a weird position. How can you take that position?

• 57:56Tucker Carlson?

  One other thing that I will shut up, but like.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:58Tucker Carlson?

  Here's my theory on Russia. I think it's clearly a resource player. Absolutely right. Americans loved Russia and it was supine and chaotic and the life expectancy for men was 49 and everyone was like dying of cirrhosis on the sidewalk and all that. They loved it because they could loot it and they did.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Oh, Bill Clinton looted the hell out of them.

• 58:15Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:16Tucker Carlson?

  But I really think the problem with Putin is not his territorial expansion. Putin has shown no sign that he has territorial ambitions. He's, he's got a country that's like almost impossible to manage already.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:27Tucker Carlson?

  He wants Poland? Stop.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  He wants Portugal?

• 58:30Tucker Carlson?

  You moron.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Right. No, he doesn't.

• 58:32Tucker Carlson?

  It's like only children believe that. No, I think the difference with Putin is Christianity. And I, I think that I didn't used to think that, but then I noticed that the same people who, and I'm 55, so I remember a lot of the same people and certainly the same kind of people making excuses for the Soviet Union, which was an atheist state. Putin comes in and he's like, actually, we're going to bring back the Orthodox Church. We're going to fund the Orthodox Church as a Christian country. And woman, that was it. That's when he became like a true enemy of the ruling class of the United States. I saw the same thing in Hungary. Hungary was totally fine from 1945 to 1991. It was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact. It was officially atheist

• 59:12Tucker Carlson?

  country. And then it was a kind of transition period. And then Orban comes, who's like, he's not even right wing. He's like, kind of 70s liberal, live and let live guy. But he's like, no, this is a Christian country. All of a sudden, the Atlantic magazine and the Atlantic Council and every other group of stupid people with power in Washington is like, we need to kill him.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:36Tucker Carlson?

  And in fact, there have been attempts on his life, actually, at least one that has not been publicized. So, yeah, by that, you know, by the same block of people. And they hate him for that.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:49Tucker Carlson?

  So I'm just, I'm just trying to understand.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Susan Powell from USAID flies into Hungary and starts like, setting up operations to destabilize Hungary, you know, you remember that?

• 59:57Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah. And then we send, under Biden, we sent an ambassador, Pressman, I think his name was, this gay guy and his boyfriend or whatever, to spend his entire time in Budapest lecturing the Hungarians about how bad they are. It's like, that's our, that's diplomacy? That's our ambassador? No, it was, his whole role was to insult the Hungarians, inflame the relationship between the Hungarian government and the US, to basically try to humiliate them. It's like, why would you want to do that?

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  Why do you think they're trying to kill so many Christians? I mean,

• 1:00:30Tucker Carlson?

  Because I think it's a spiritual, there's something about, look, let's just be totally honest, there's something about Christianity, which is like, the only world religion I'm aware of, theistic religion that, that preaches nonviolence, which it does.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:44Tucker Carlson?

  Um, you know, others don't at all. And Christianity does. It's against, no, tons of Christians commit violence, but they're in violation of their religion, in my opinion. But you would think it would be the most popular religion with world leaders, because it's like, the Christians aren't going to hassle you. Jesus says, give unto Caesar what Caesar's given to God what's God, don't overthrow the government. Like, it's, it's a very kind of compliant religion, actually, and inherently pro peace. And yet, they're always the ones who get murdered. When the Spanish Civil War started, in that famous photograph,

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Of the republic, you know, the communist forces, what's the first thing they opened fire on? A statue of Jesus. There's this famous picture of them firing, you know, their eight millimeters at, at a statue of Jesus. And it's like, what is that? And I don't think there's a rational explanation for it. I think it's spiritual, clearly.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  And it's very heartening as a Christian to know that a nonviolent religion triggers people that much. It suggests maybe it's true.

• 1:01:42Tucker Carlson?

  It's like, why do you hate it so much? Why do you care?

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  It's at cross purposes with their mission. So when you see the neo cons in Washington, when you see these war mongers and these NGOs that want the destruction, you know, the massive expansion, the military industrial complex. I mean, to your point about Europe, I mean, Ursula von der Leyen, like last week, standing there with Vladimir Zelensky, said that Putin's going to invade Europe. He's, this is Ukraine, we, we, we fight in Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe because if it's not for Ukraine, Putin will march right through, right through Brussels. And people, I think they say that.

• 1:02:17Tucker Carlson?

  I don't want to be dark. I know this is going to be clipped, but like, at this point, Europe is so, and I love Europe and I'm there constantly and I have family there. I mean, I, I really love Europe, truly, as an American. But like, it's so degraded.

• 1:02:32Tucker Carlson?

  You know?

• 1:02:34Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know. I don't even want to say it. I'm not even going to say, would it actually be worse or not? I just, but it's pretty bad right now. You do, someone really smart said to me the other day, the reason the Europeans hate Russia is because it's the only thing all Europeans have in common. It's the only unifying.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, you need a good enemy.

• 1:02:50Tucker Carlson?

  That's it.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  It's like the Wizard of Oz, right? You need a good enemy.

• 1:02:52Tucker Carlson?

  But it's not the Chinese, it's not the East.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  No, you need, and so now, instead of, you know, once we, once we're done with Russia and China, then it'll be space. You know, then it'll be, it'll be some sort of alien race that we need to marshal the military industrial complex for. So in the United States, it's like, are we pulling back on the massive amounts of money we're spending, the trillion dollars a year to fight these, these enemies that we're creating? Whether it's Assad, or it's Gaddafi, or it's some people on camels in Iraq or Afghanistan? Like, we need to keep, we need to constantly being, we need to constantly move the shell game around. So for a while, it's Putin, that's not going to really work out, but Europe, now you can do it. But now it's gonna be China or Iran. So it's Iran next. You know, it's hard to

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  once, once we've exhausted all that, though, it'll be space. It'll be like some sort of reptilian race or something in space that we'll, we'll have to fight next.

• 1:03:45Tucker Carlson?

  So what is the truth about the lights in the sky seen over the mid Atlantic over the Christmas season?

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  I think we learned that it was in fact a psyop. It was a false flag operation by the Biden administration. They admitted it. And I think we got confirmation from the Trump administration.

• 1:04:05Tucker Carlson?

  Can you tell me what that means?

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  The goal was, we need, you know, we're gonna show all of these, these drones because we, we heard it was Iran. First of all, remember it was a mothership off the coast.

• 1:04:15Tucker Carlson?

  Because Iran tried to assassinate President Trump.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Another big lie.

• 1:04:19Tucker Carlson?

  That's a, that's a, I'm trying to use the F word now, it's Lent, but that's a lie, by the way?

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:04:24Tucker Carlson?

  The government of Iran did not try to murder Donald Trump during the presidential campaign.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  I hope everyone's paying attention to that because that's being

• 1:04:32Tucker Carlson?

  That's a fact?

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Parroted all over media right now.

• 1:04:35Tucker Carlson?

  That the government of Iran tried to murder, anyone who says that is a liar or so subject to propaganda that he should not be talking in public.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Right. Roger Stone, close friend of President Trump, almost immediately said it was a lie. Came right out.

• 1:04:49Tucker Carlson?

  I said it was a lie immediately, in public and private. So yeah, that's a lie. Um, whatever. Sorry, sorry.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  It was fabricated. And I've said on social media, it's fabricated. If you don't know that it's fabricated, it was fabricated. Yeah. Uh, no, I think regardless of the Iran Iranian piece of it, it was really to, I think, build up the massive contracts for drone production in the United States.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  So, but, but to get back to your initial description, so you think that those lights were government drones?

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  I think so. I think, I think, I think that they were manmade government drones. And I think that, I, I think it was clear what the, the, the plan was. If you don't have a massive drone infrastructure in the United States, what way, what better way to get bureaucrats and members of Congress on board with making sure that we build up our own drone infrastructure in the United States by then threatening the idea that these are Chinese or Iranian drones flowing, flying over military bases in the United States? False flags. We have such a, false, false flags are very useful.

• 1:05:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  Very useful. And they work.

• 1:05:59Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  They work sadly. USS Liberty.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  USS Liberty, a famous false flag. You know, you want to get us in the war against Egypt? Well, then Israel and the CIA collaborate and bomb and kill American sailors on the USS Liberty. Too bad you didn't kill all of them because a lot of them lived. And they told the world what the hell happened when they tried to use American sailors as a false flag to get us into a war against Egypt. Didn't work. Even though Lyndon Johnson and the CIA tried their damnedest to work with Israel to do it. So you think Lyndon Johnson knew that American sailors were being murdered? 100%. It goes all the way to him. You can read Blood in the Water. Joan Mellon's incredible book. That is so evil that I can't even... He's such an evil, evil human being, such an evil human being.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  But don't ask Doris Kearns Goodwin that because, you know, she'll write a book about how amazing he is, but he was an evil, an evil son of a bitch. And he knew, he knew. In fact, and wouldn't allow them to be rescued, by the way. Not only knew about it, but wouldn't allow them to be rescued. They hoped that every American died in the waters that day, but they didn't.

• 1:07:06Tucker Carlson?

  Time for another true life Alp story. I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday, honestly, true story, who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad. And he said, no, it's not sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know, I was saved. Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license and registration, goes back to patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard, pauses, stunned, says to my friend, "You use Alp?" "Yeah, I do," says my friend. "So do I," says the cop. "We all do." He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, "Drive safely, sir," and hands back his license and registration.

• 1:07:50Tucker Carlson?

  No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Alp and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nickel ticket marriage. In a nation of 350 million people, we're guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories. Email us yours. We want to know and read it on the air. Email [email protected]. [email protected]. Give us your Alp story.

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• 1:08:53Tucker Carlson?

  Lyndon Johnson knew this.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Knew this, yes. He knew it. And...

• 1:08:59Tucker Carlson?

  Well, he's gonna... I think he's paying for that right now.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would hope.

• 1:09:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  And a lot of other people knew it, too, in the CIA. So I love when people today...

• 1:09:09Tucker Carlson?

  Some poor American sailors on a surveillance ship, not lightly armed, not really armed.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  No, it was a spy ship.

• 1:09:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. With massive American flags on the deck. We're a friendly ship. And the Israelis knew it. They had it in their control room on the wall. Friendly, friendly. They knew it. And the scout ships that were flying that morning knew it. So it's a lie that it was a mistake. It was not a mistake. We have the documents. We know that it wasn't a mistake. It was intentional. So...

• 1:09:39Tucker Carlson?

  But I didn't realize... I'm aware of that.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:41Tucker Carlson?

  And you're not allowed to say it for some reason.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  No, you can't say it. Like, these are things that you're not allowed to talk about.

• 1:09:46Tucker Carlson?

  Right. You can criticize the US government, but, you know...

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Tucker Carlson?

  But, on the other hand, I will say, I mean, it infuriates me that you can criticize your own government, but not a foreign government. That's so grotesque. On the other hand, you also give any foreign government a pass if it's acting in its own interest. It's like, they don't care about you. You're a foreign country. You know, like, I get it. But the idea of our country allowing the murder of our own sailors, who did nothing wrong, were sent there... By the way, conscripted. We had the draft then.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Tucker Carlson?

  Not... Maybe not even there voluntarily.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  That's a great point.

• 1:10:24Tucker Carlson?

  That the US government knows that? I mean, I just... My head is... I didn't know that until you just told me.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  I hope the Trump administration... I hope... I hope Congressman Luna, who's been, you know, heading up the, I guess the The JFK Epstein. Yeah, the release of files whole thing. Because you can't just release them. You have to have a congressional committee to hide them even longer. You have to redact things and hide them and then release like do. This is not disclosure? Hand out binders, you know. Uh, no, I hope the Trump administration, I've spoken to these veterans of the USS Liberty. And their, their hope is that the Trump administration and the Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth will actually do a full investigation into this openly, publicly,

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  and not pull any punches because of our friends in Israel, but actually put it all out there and go through the full investigation. Testimony from the veterans who were seeing eyeballs of the individuals that were bombing them and killing them onboard the USS Liberty. Strafing them too. Strafing them. And when they got in the water, strafing them. You know, and knew that they were friendly. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. And knew that they were friendly. You know, the captain of the ship said he'd never moved his ship as quickly. He'd never, uh, I don't know the terminology. I'm not a, I'm not a sea captain. But he floored it in a way that he'd never done before. He was told with urgency to get there

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  and to be put in position. And he was like, why am I being put in a position like in a kill zone? Like, why can I go another mile offshore when I'll be safe? No, you need to be right in this spot. So the Pentagon set it up? Oh, yeah, the CIA. For them to be killed? The CIA collaborated with the Israeli government and maneuvered a US ship to this position to be killed, to be destroyed. The mission was for it to be totally destroyed. So you don't have people coming on my show telling you what they saw that day. Like, they all were supposed to be dead. Gulf of Tonkin, Remember the Maine, um, you know, you could go down the list. 9/11, you know, drones over the east coast of the United States, like these false flags work for a reason.

• 1:12:41Tucker Carlson?

  But you can't kill your own people. You're not allowed to do that. That's just gotta be a red line.

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  The CIA would never kill its own people.

• 1:12:48Tucker Carlson?

  You can't kill your own people, period.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can.

• 1:12:51Tucker Carlson?

  You're supposed to protect your own people. You're in charge of these people.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:55Tucker Carlson?

  It's like killing your own children.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Tuskegee experiment. You can't kill your own people. You can't put American ships and American sailors in waters and then test nuclear weapons on them. You can't do that. You can't have the Tuskegee experiment. We have a long history of, of doing these things and.

• 1:13:11Tucker Carlson?

  I just feel like that's a, that's a pretty bright line. Like I'm leading people. I have to do whatever I can up to and very much including giving my own life.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Tucker Carlson?

  To protect them, to act in their interest. That's why I'm the leader.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:13:27Tucker Carlson?

  That's the way you feel about your children should be a species of the way you feel about anybody you lead. I'm in charge.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Tucker Carlson?

  I get the benefits of being in charge, but I also have, you know, the responsibility, the burden of being in charge, which is to act in their interest and sacrifice myself for them. It's, it's super simple. That's the basic bargain. People will follow, children will follow a father, men will follow an officer if that's the deal, right? But if you violate that, if you say, well, I'm gonna kill people I'm supposed to be saving, then you've broken the deal and you, you are not a legitimate leader and you can get fragged at that point, actually, I think.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I think it's totally fair. Right?

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  I would think so. I mean, but then you've, the history is lined with people who put their own, their own men in harm's way. Look at Mao, you know, um. You know, leading your own men for personal purposes, killing them off for personal purposes. There's long lines of socialist leaders.

• 1:14:30Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Doing this.

• 1:14:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's why we always hated them.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Tucker Carlson?

  But I, Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose. Wow, that's super, super dark.

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  And a lot of other dirty things.

• 1:14:39Tucker Carlson?

  And a lot of other dirty things. So the, the most famous dirty thing, of course, that he did was participate in some way, it's still not clear, in the murder of the president.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  Right, JFK.

• 1:14:50Tucker Carlson?

  And, and you really see this in maybe the third volume of the Caro series, the biographical series on Lyndon Johnson.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  Right, Robert Caro.

• 1:14:59Tucker Carlson?

  Robert, I beg your pardon, Robert Caro has written this.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:02Tucker Carlson?

  Series of books and Robert Caro was, you know, I think too sympathetic, et cetera, et cetera, but in, and very liberal and all that, but in the portion where Johnson is on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane as president, it's really clear, really clear from Caro's description that this is not a surprise to him.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Not a surprise at all. And you can go down so many corridors of this and it's not just as simple as Lyndon Johnson, you know, was somehow involved with using his own hitman that he'd used previously, you know, it's not as just, that's it, that's the story, right? I've read so many books on this and you pull the threads, you know, how, how was, how was, was it Jack Rubenstein? How is he there that afternoon? How, how is, how is, you know, how is Lyndon Johnson tied to this with a hitman? How, how is the mob tied to this? Like all of these strings converging. You know, it's, it's remarkable. And then, can I just say this? I know it's crazy, it's crazy to talk about, but there were people

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  like Billy Meyer who predicted this and prophesized this years in advance and knew the dates, knew the locations where he would be killed and also knew the, the dates and locations of where RFK, RFK would be assassinated.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  So there's, there's so many pieces that we still don't, are you hopeful at all that we're gonna get in these JFK documents?

• 1:16:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's, it's interesting. I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination. It was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Well, that's where the term came from.

• 1:16:46Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know. Well, then, of course, you know, it's, it's not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut. It's knowledge, which I didn't know. I was such an idiot.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  That's a great point.

• 1:16:55Tucker Carlson?

  I still am an idiot in some ways, but I.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Welcome to the club. Welcome to the.

• 1:16:59Tucker Carlson?

  But in the past, yeah, the past six or seven years, I have learned a lot about it. I'm hardly an expert, but I've learned enough to know that there's something actually there. And I've learned a lot about it, actually. So, but anyway, the point is, President Trump, to his everlasting credit, issues an executive order on January 23rd, saying, you know, release the files on the JFK assassination, on the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Bassler Hotel in 1968, June, and then on the MLK assassination, you know, the April of 68.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Tucker Carlson?

  Which I've always thought, to my credit, I've always thought that was a conspiracy. I mean, clearly, that's an absurd story that James Earl Ray in escaped prison made, somehow winds up in Heathrow Airport with two fake passports. Like, how did you do that? Clearly, there were others involved. I don't know who.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Sounds a lot like Butler, Pennsylvania, too, doesn't it? Right? How does that happen?

• 1:17:55Tucker Carlson?

  But he issues this executive order, which I guess has the force of law. He's the President of the United States, elected President of the United States. He does this three days after the inauguration. It's one of the first things he does. And here we are in March, whatever it is, the second week of March, and we've got nothing. And in the case of.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  Are we being played?

• 1:18:15Tucker Carlson?

  I honestly don't know what's going on, but I'll tell you just by deduction, what I know is true. First of all, I know that the CIA was involved in some way, or parts of the CIA, the Angleton, the counter intel part of the CIA. CIA is huge. It's not everyone in the CIA, but there were CIA officials who were involved. I know that because I know someone who saw some of the documents and told me that. But I have thought up until recently, well, it must be, you know, they're trying to protect the institution, the CIA. Everyone's dead 62 years later. Everyone's dead. So why are you holding it? Like, why don't you just, here's everything we have. Like, why do you care? And I always thought it was, well, you gotta protect the CIA. But then, you know, we had the Church Committee hearings 50 years ago, and they showed the CIA was up to all kinds of nonsense, like, pretty dark stuff. And everyone already knows that.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:58Tucker Carlson?

  So they're gonna further discredit the institute. Like, nobody cares, actually. Nobody cares.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Everyone knows the CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world.

• 1:19:05Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody can even name the CIA director in November of 63, John McConaughey. But people don't know. They don't care. So why are they, even now, even a month and a half after the executive order requiring them to release these files, whose location we know, it's not like they have to gather all these files, we know where, they're in the National Archives, most of them.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they're all digitized, by the way. This idea that they're in boxes, that we need somebody to go through it, it's the same garbage with the Epstein files.

• 1:19:33Tucker Carlson?

  So, but like, what the hell is this?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  They're all, they're all digitized.

• 1:19:36Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  So what are you, who are you protecting?

• 1:19:38Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's the question.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Who, who, is there a foreign government involved in this?

• 1:19:42Tucker Carlson?

  Well, there's, I know this for a fact. There is active pressure, active pressure on elected officials to stop this disclosure, right now. Now, in 2025. That was 1963.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  And where's that coming from?

• 1:19:55Tucker Carlson?

  You know, I don't know, and I'm not gonna speculate on it, but there's active pressure. And I don't believe for a second that it's from the CIA. Who? John Ratcliffe? Former Congressman John Ratcliffe, who's now the director? He cares? I don't think so.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  So does John Ratcliffe want these released?

• 1:20:14Tucker Carlson?

  I haven't, I haven't the faintest idea. And I, I don't have any evidence that Ratcliffe is involved in efforts to prevent disclosure. I don't, I don't mean to suggest that I do, but I'm just saying, like, who is powerful enough to scare people into slow-walking the disclosure? And by the way, slow-walking a disclosure is the same as not providing the disclosure.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:35Tucker Carlson?

  Why are they slow-walking it to, to somehow continue to hide facts? What is the purpose? Who is?

• 1:20:44Tucker Carlson?

  What is the force acting on the US government on the new administration to prevent disclosure? And I think it's a totally fair question because it's the President of the United States who got murdered. The people voted for it. This is the heart of democracy. We vote for our leader. And it was overturned. And so, anyway, I think it's very important to get to the bottom of the JFK thing.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the Epstein files and all of the other, all of the other things that are being kept by the United States government without transparency to the American people. Again, the USS Liberty story. I mean, and or, hey, is the United States government, have we been secretly funding with billions of dollars, um, gravitic propulsion technologies because we captured UFOs? We know that we have down craft. We have crash retriever. We have how many whistleblowers have come out now that were on crash retrieval?

• 1:21:33Tucker Carlson?

  Under oath, by the way.

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  Under oath, crash retrieval whistleblowers, high ranking members of the military, by the way. These aren't like schleps, you know?

• 1:21:41Tucker Carlson?

  No, these are not

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  I don't even know what that word means.

• 1:21:43Tucker Carlson?

  From the motor pool. No, no.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but these are, these are people that have high, you know, classified clearances.

• 1:21:48Tucker Carlson?

  They're officers, yeah.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, who've been involved in crash retrieval programs. We have the technology. We've had it for years. Like, sometimes we do this on our show and people like, oh, there goes Clayton again talking about UFOs. Like, this to me is one of the biggest stories of all time. You mean, we have technology that we can travel from here to Paris instantaneously, but you can't let us have it? You mean to tell me?

• 1:22:12Tucker Carlson?

  We do have that technology?

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  I mean, purportedly that we have, or we figured out how to use that technology. I don't know that we've been able to use it as well as they have. But we have technology that can move us at incredible speeds. That human body, under normal circumstances, would be ripped apart doing nine Gs, right? But and with this gravitic propulsion technology, we're protected in that way. So I don't understand all of it. All that to say that, yes, we, there's technology that we aren't allowed to see, that some defense contractors are and have had access to. And that's the brilliance of this program, which is like, break up pieces of this program and disperse it to Boeing, to Northrop Grumman, to all of these different, so you don't get to really talk, you get working on different pieces of this project.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  How it all comes together, I don't know. But we have members of the military who've been involved in the retrieval for the purposes of reverse engineering and studying.

• 1:23:05Tucker Carlson?

  I noticed so that it's all death-related technology, which does tell you something.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:09Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, seriously, it's not like.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Why do you think the defense industry is so involved in it, right?

• 1:23:14Tucker Carlson?

  But it's just, no one is claiming, I've never heard anybody say that the US government is hiding technology that, you know, might actually help you.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Ah, so that's where, and they don't talk about it, but I have talked to sources who've told me that they've witnessed firsthand this health technology being used to regrow limbs that we don't have access to. Like, basically the eradication of cancer, but limbs that were missing, regrowing human limbs using this technology. Described it as like a wand and others, but I don't know. I've never seen it, but that somebody has seen it. And there are people who've openly talked about it and who've, I don't know, been quoted and been, you know, and reported in different books.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  But I've spoken to an individual who saw it personally, this technology. So it's not all death-related, but I don't know how much of it is, is, is health-related, but certainly the ability to scan bodies, maybe eliminate cancers, um, maybe regrow limbs. Wouldn't we love to know that? I would love to know that. And if they're keeping, so maybe it's all BS. I don't think so. And I think if they have it, we deserve to know about it. And if our taxpayers, if taxpayers are funding these reversal technology programs and they're keeping it quiet from us and it's compartmentalized and we're not allowed to see it, that to me is a travesty. You mean to tell me the biopharmaceutical? So you might be thinking, why? Why would they keep it?

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  So the biopharmaceutical complex, which is arguably bigger than the industrial comp, the military industrial complex in Washington, right, by volume?

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Why would they, why would they push COVID shots on us without trials? Without actual human trials and all they tested on, oh, they tested on 11 mice? Okay, okay, just that's good. Um, so let me inject myself with that.

• 1:25:11Tucker Carlson?

  You know, that's enough for me.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  11 mice? 10, 10 wouldn't have been enough.

• 1:25:15Tucker Carlson?

  That's when the mRNA vaccines came out, I thought to myself, oh, there's never been a successful coronavirus vaccine. You haven't tested it. It's a, it's a novel technology. And it, it could potentially change people's genes.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:29Tucker Carlson?

  I was first in line.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  You, I want those white fibrous clots in my body.

• 1:25:34Tucker Carlson?

  I want you to change the basic genetic makeup of me.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. What's amazing is you got the shot, now you have a vagina, which is so amazing.

• 1:25:43Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, weird things have happened.

• 1:25:48Speaker 02

  But no, and then you also get immunity. Then you get, then, then your company, then your company, uh, rolls out this, uh, vaccine without, without a, um, without any testing, but also gets, uh, legal immunity as well. And so now you can't be sued for it. So the biopharmaceutical complex would love to basically continue to sell you medicine for the rest of your life, make you sick with, you know, highly processed foods. And then on the other side of it also give you, uh, you know, statins, you know, right? So they, they make money like funding both sides of this stuff. So we, there's a technology that will eliminate, maybe potentially eliminate cancers or fix, fix my tumor in my body with a, like, with a wave of a wand? Again, I'm not saying I, I've seen it.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  I'm saying I've heard that this technology exists. Um, wouldn't you love to keep it under wraps in the same way that with Nikola Tesla, finding free energy? That we, you mean, oh, you mean the atmosphere? I can literally pull etheric energy right out of the atmosphere and power my home? We can't have you have access to that because you need to buy gasoline, you need to buy, you need to pay the power company. So wait a minute, I can set up my own sort of like Tesla device? Why do you think the FBI raided his, you know, his, his work in New York City and took all of his, all of his documents? We can't have, we cannot allow you to have access to free energy or things that would eliminate cancer because somebody's got to make money off of it. I mean, to me, it's Occam's razor, right?

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  It's the clearest definition of like, why?

• 1:27:20Tucker Carlson?

  Before I forget, where did nuclear technology come from?

• 1:27:25Tucker Carlson?

  I've never heard anybody explain where it came from. It's like, oh, Germany, the 1930s. Really, what was the moment where it was discovered?

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  I don't know the answer to that. I know that a lot of incredible technologies emerged right around that time. There were also, at that time, downed UFOs, similar, you know, at that, right around that time.

• 1:27:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  So it is remarkable that we suddenly had transformers. Where did transformers come from? Where did all of these weird technology, where did the, where did the microchip suddenly come from? Silicon, microchip, where did all of that suddenly come from? Right around the same time as reports of downed UFOs that are being reverse engineered. What other technologies do we have access to that we don't know about that were part of these craft? Telepathic machines that are able to connect without even using your hands? Individuals who've seen these crafts, so they're basically able to control them with their mind? The US government has access to that? Shouldn't we know about it? Probably, you

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  know, there are some who argue, no, we shouldn't. We shouldn't because it would blow our minds. We shouldn't be allowed to see this stuff because it would alter space-time continuum.

• 1:28:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you, I, of course, I'm always for disclosure. Of course. On the other hand, I always think of like the classic kidnapping scenario where someone is kidnapped, the kidnapper's demanding a ransom, and so there's a hope that the kidnapped person will return home alive as long as the ransom is paid. But in order for that to work, the person who's been kidnapped has to remain blindfolded. He can never see the kidnapper because the second he does, the kidnapper has to kill him.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:29:11Tucker Carlson?

  There are moments where, big picture, knowing too much is a huge threat.

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Tucker Carlson?

  And I wonder if we're there right now, because we're having this conversation, your show is, you know, crushing it online, on YouTube and Rumble, and...

• 1:29:27Tucker Carlson?

  And, and other people are running or doing shows like that and X is pretty open. Actually, people can pretty much say what they want. And maybe people know too much to be governed. Actually, once you realize how fake a lot of the things you thought were real turn out to be, um, like, how do you-

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  You're gonna pay your taxes?

• 1:29:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's very much how I feel.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:51Tucker Carlson?

  You know, why are you paying your credit card bill?

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:53Tucker Carlson?

  This is a total scam.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:55Tucker Carlson?

  This is, I mean, it's a, it's a, you know, it's loan sharking. Um, but they spend more on congressional campaigns than you do, so they get to like, destroy your life. I don't know, there's a lot of stuff like that.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:07Tucker Carlson?

  And so like, how long can our government keep free speech?

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:30:14Tucker Carlson?

  And exist?

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  I mean, if they want to revert, you know, if they want to cover up things like the massive, you know, child sex trafficking operation in the United States or any of these big things, um, they're going to go to great lengths to silence journalists who are uncovering this or clamping down on cross social media platforms like, you know, or demonetizing or blocking videos when we cover certain subjects. And so there, they try, but I think this information is getting out there more than it ever has.

• 1:30:41Tucker Carlson?

  It definitely is.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  And I love it. But to your point, then do we become ungovernor, ungovernable? Ungovernable? Am I saying this? Because we can't, because we're saying, wait, wait, the CIA killed JFK? The CIA and a foreign government collaborated and killed American sailors? Why would I want to join the US Navy? Like, that's what my government does? Why would I pay my taxes when the IRS is funneling $20 million to Uganda for, for circumcision studies or whatever? Like, why would I pay my, so at what point do you have a revolution? Do you have a Thomas Paine-

• 1:31:17Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's exactly, that's what I'm saying. So like, it does feel like we're reaching, you know, for all of their silly censorship attempts, like, people I know are, I don't want to use radicalized, but they're way more open-minded than they were five years ago and infinitely more than they were 20 years ago, when one tenth of what you just said would have given, you know, earned you a clinical diagnosis.

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:31:42Tucker Carlson?

  You would have been by definition crazy for saying anything like what you just said. And now people are like, yeah, you know, I don't know if that's true, but that could be true.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:49Tucker Carlson?

  And so- I just wonder like at some point, if you're going to maintain, if you, if you believe the world is run effectively by criminal cartels with very dark anti-human motives, obviously true, then like they have way more power than we do. They have way more advanced weapons than we do. They're clearly loosely organized across borders. And so like, how long are they going to put up with this? Like you and me sitting here, you know, reading X in commercial breaks?

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:17Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know, like, is this sustainable?

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  I have hope, I have hope. You know, I'm a glass half full kind of person. I always had been that the Trump administration.

• 1:32:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  You know, the difference between people, I look at the first Trump administration and this Trump administration. Trump gave Zelensky javelins.

• 1:32:36Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  In his first, you know, his first Trump administration. And now he's yelling at him in the Oval Office and he's cutting off, you know, surveillance aid and other things. So I'm hopeful that things have changed, that he's surrounded himself with the right intel people to clean house. But if there are those deep state forces, and when I say deep state, people kind of roll their eyes, but it's just the permanent government, you know, it's just the people that are entrenched there for 40 years, the bureaucrats who have these interests at heart, whether it's child sex trafficking operations for rich people in the United States, or the pedophiles in Hollywood, or whatever it is, you know, they have these interests and these moneyed interests to funnel money back to their spouses or whatever through these NGOs and everything else. Can the Trump administration, can these people

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  actually clean house? So I'm hopeful. Can they get them in there? Can they actually root them out and we can actually get back to maybe a pure, a pure American government in the, in the vein of like a Thomas Paine, which is, we don't like government, but can we have the least amount of it as possible? And I think the American people would rally around that. I just, I feel it. I see it. I see it among people who were not even Trump supporters, who've now become, they're become champions of what they're doing with Doge and these other things.

• 1:33:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  And they're hopeful for the first time in a way that there, maybe the American government they learned about in civics, civics classes is attainable once again?

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Which seems growing. I never thought I'd see it be attainable once again, you know, in the era of NAFTA and everything else with under Bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush and Halliburton, all of the, all of the things that drove me crazy, you know, war in Iraq and all that, all of that. Are we somehow getting back to what it means to, to the, you know, the United States Constitution? That I'm hopeful about. That, and I think, I think we could get there if we have the right people in power.

• 1:34:27Tucker Carlson?

  It, it really does come down to that, doesn't it?

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Tucker Carlson?

  The popular will is not quite as relevant as I thought it was.

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  It's a great point because where were, we had the trucker convoy in Canada, which showed incredible bravery.

• 1:34:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34:41Speaker 02

  You know, where was the massive trucker convoy in the United States? Like, where were the men?

• 1:34:46Tucker Carlson?

  I would, I agree.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like, where were the men during the Biden administration saying, "We're done with this. And you know what? We're, I, either I'm gonna put on my MAGA hat or not, doesn't matter. I'm gonna put on my trucker hat, it doesn't matter. And we're taken to the streets and we're gonna go down to the southern border and you're not getting across our southern border." Like, there, I know there were some pieces of that. But I feel like the organizing principle of the United, I feel like there's a lack of that. And I, I, I don't know. I, I worry about that popular, that popular push and for people to stand together and say enough is enough with this tyranny, you know?

• 1:35:21Tucker Carlson?

  It does come down to men.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:24Tucker Carlson?

  And, um, yeah, I'm thinking a lot about my father recently and I, you know, whenever, we're all flawed, but I, I just don't, I haven't met a man like him really in the last 20, I can't remember the last time I met a man like him on a, on the basic level. I mean, he, he was the kindest, most loyal father, but there were absolutely limits. Like, if you were rude to his wife, for example, he'd punch you right in the face without even hesitating. Not for one, I saw it happen on the parking lot of a movie theater as a child. Shocking. But, you know, can't be rude to my wife. Like, there are just limits. I don't know.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Tucker Carlson?

  Right? There are rules here.

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:58Tucker Carlson?

  And one of them is you can't attack my family. Period. And I don't know, I loved growing up like that because I felt like my fam, I loved it. I'm, I tried to be that father and husband, but I, I loved it. It gave us such security. It's like, no one fucks with pop. He is not, he's a loaded gun, man, you know, wonderful man, hilarious, really nice, but if there's any threat to the family, like it's not even going to hesitate. He doesn't think about the consequences.

• 1:36:27Speaker 02

  You see some of these videos emerge.

• 1:36:28Tucker Carlson?

  Where are the men like that?

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  Where like it says, oh, the, you know, the moment you, she knew that he, she, he wasn't the one. And there's like a, you know, a robber comes up in the alleyway and, and the man like just leaves the girl there and just runs the opposite way. I'm like, holy smokes. You're right. Like my dad, you know, he, he served, he served in Nuremberg after the war, um, took over an SS barracks, uh, there and ran tank drills all through, you know, Nuremberg, you know, and, but he was a tough guy, but he was, he was also the most kindest, you know, but he was, he would not be messed with, like, you know, whether it was cut off in traffic or messed with, he would, you know, he wouldn't put up with it. And he also wouldn't put up with it for the treatment of his children and his family either, you know, and, um, I think we need more of that.

• 1:37:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I totally agree. And I just don't, I don't see, at least in the world that I live with, I was talking to my brother the other day and saying, when we were kids, you know, being in Maine in the summertime and boy, you could not be rude to people. Like that just wouldn't end well at all. And I said to him, you know, I don't remember the last time I was ever in any sense intimidated by any white man. Like there's just no, no white man's gonna kick your ass. I'm sorry. I mean, I am a white man. I'm not against white men. I'm like everybody else. I like white men. I'm the, you know, father and uncle of some, but I don't feel any, there's no intimidation or whatever. It's like, you know, what are they gonna do? Nothing.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  My son brings up this story. I can't believe I'm going to share this, but the, like the stories that my son, he's 14 now, will kind of bring up or when, when daddy gets pissed and he, he likes it. I think as a young man, maybe you sort of, you endear to that, you know?

• 1:38:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  There was one time there this guy rode past, rode past, we were all riding bikes as a family and this guy rode past on his motorcycle and just flew right, almost, almost hit my young daughter and almost, almost killed her, like flew right past her.

• 1:38:19Tucker Carlson?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  And I flipped out and I had the baby on the backseat of my bike and I was ready to just jump off and run after this motorcyclist and my wife jokes, you're like, what were you gonna do? The baby was still in the carrier behind you, you know, on the thing, like you're gonna fight a guy with one hand and a thing, but, um, and then we were in Vienna, of all places. Talk about compliant and it was like, we were trying to make it to this show as a family. It was freezing. And we went into this little, it was an information kiosk to help tourists. And they were, it was eight o'clock and it was closing at eight. And I walk in and she says, we're closing, we're no, we can't, we can't, we can't help you, we cannot help you. We've been here all day. We've been on, I said, my family's freezing. We're just trying to find this location. Can we please, you know, get to this location?

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  Can you help us? I can't, I'm sorry. No more help. I can't help you out, I said. And I just flipped out. And I, you know, maybe it was the Philadelphia in me. I just flipped out. I said, well, thanks for the F and, you know, um, thanks for the, the F and hospitality here in Vienna. And I just flipped out. And then she, she kind of called me and said, okay, oh, you're looking for the Shakespeare Theater. Okay. Well, then it's a, and my son still to this day will bring that up. He's, he's like, thanks for the F and hospitality here in Vienna. So I don't know. It's just, not proud of those moments.

• 1:39:30Tucker Carlson?

  No, but I mean, that's, I do think like you can extrapolate outward toward a whole country or civilization. That's like if the men aren't willing to defend it, first of all, things get very jumpy and chaotic inside as people feel undefended.

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:45Tucker Carlson?

  And it makes them crazy and very anxious. Um, but it's also true that you get invaded.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do we have like a nation of beta males right now?

• 1:39:53Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you get invaded. How could you allow 15 million illegal aliens in your country? And I always used to think this about the governor of Texas, who's a perfectly nice guy, I guess, but like, he sat there for four years and let millions of people who had no right to be here at all, and in most cases, honestly, probably not any conceivable benefit to the United States. Invade his country and like destroy ranches, destroy the physical environment, make it dirtier. Texas has gotten way dirtier, way dirtier and more literally in the past five years. And he never sent his National Guard to the border. And I confronted him twice in person about it, just off camera, but like, what are you doing, dude? Oh, it's very complicated. It's not complicated.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  And you've confronted him on camera.

• 1:40:34Tucker Carlson?

  I have. No, I've been mean, you know, Abbott's a perfectly nice guy. I don't think he's worshiping Satan or anything. I like Greg Abbott, but like, what is that? That's your most basic duty. You got a home invasion, dude. Go get your gun.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  So that to me is even one of the obvious pieces of it, which is these people are literally, you see them coming across your border, they're taking over ranches, they're killing people.

• 1:40:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  But they've actually set up entire communities with homes in your own, in Texas, in the state. Not only that, huge, which used to be Walmart facilities are now massive child sex trafficking operations.

• 1:41:07Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so I take it back. I don't like Abbott because you're right. You're right.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  It's under his watch.

• 1:41:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's too much evil. That's right. And you have to blame the leader. No one ever blames the leader.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:15Tucker Carlson?

  Like if your country, that's another thing. It's like Russia's better than it was 25 years ago. Does anyone, can anyone say it's not? It is. So like, okay, you could say Putin does a lot of bad things. I think that's true. On the other hand, his country's better. Like that counts for something. Our country's worse. And we never hold any of our leaders accountable. It's like, that was a massive fuck up. The Afghan withdrawal, you know, whatever, the Iraq war, the destruction of New York City, Chicago, going back to Gary, Indiana and Baltimore. Like who did that?

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:43Tucker Carlson?

  And then they named bridges after the people who destroyed the city. It's, I can't believe the lack of accountability. My wife would shoot me. If I led my family like that, she'd just, she'd just shoot me. Because that's criminal, right?

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  She would come in and she would just put you out of your misery.

• 1:41:58Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent and I would deserve it.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're leading our family like this? You're done. I'm sorry.

• 1:42:03Tucker Carlson?

  All my kids are homeless fentanyl addicts? Yeah, I think that's a failure. Sorry, I do.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, like Assad, right? I mean, Syria used to be one of the most peaceful countries in the world. But people don't want to admit it, you know, and so, you know, and uh,

• 1:42:16Tucker Carlson?

  Bad, bad location.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  But we have to.

• 1:42:18Tucker Carlson?

  Like Poland and Ukraine caught between larger powers.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  But we need to hate Assad. We need to hate Putin, but we can't hate our own leaders enough. And these people still get, you know, they fail up, as my wife likes to say. These people in Washington are now running, you know, these people who failed and destroyed our country are put in charge of things. It's unbelievable to me.

• 1:42:37Tucker Carlson?

  So now that you moved back to the United States, obviously you never announced your citizenship, you're always have been American with a lot of family here, but now you're living here. And on, you know, the very beginning of this new administration, what are the things that you're looking forward to, that you're hopeful for? What changes do you think this administration will make that will make the country better?

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  You know, I live in Colorado and I saw firsthand, you know, families texting and family groups, concerns about, hey, you know, the neighbor was just broken into Venezuelan gang, just robbed this, just robbed that. I'm hoping that violent criminals are sent back to their countries. Number one. And I think I kind of fall in line with where most Americans were doing with, you know, exit polling and what they wanted, which was that they wanted the economy to work for the American people and they wanted their borders secure and safety. I think that's what most families want.

• 1:43:33Tucker Carlson?

  I wanted a war with Iran. That's just me.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  That's not just you.

• 1:43:38Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  That's a lot of.

• 1:43:40Tucker Carlson?

  That's the Hudson Institute, NEI, okay.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  I've become really, you know, I, going back to, I know the word isolationist is kind of a bad thing. People throw that around.

• 1:43:50Tucker Carlson?

  According to whom?

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of, you know, a lot of neocons think it's a bad thing and they, and they, they try to sort of cover up with George Washington in many ways to try to cover up his words on isolationism and, you know, in his farewell address, telling America to stay out of foreign governments' businesses. And, you know, I know we get this idea, this sort of George Soros open society, that we need to be like a global economy and we need to, you know, everything needs to be open and there doesn't need to be, I want a world without borders, you know, I, I don't want any of that. I, I think in many ways, I want America to go back to what I studied and loved and fell in love with as a, you know, as a US history major.

• 1:44:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:44:29Speaker 02

  I would sit in my bedroom as a child and read these massive ass history books, you know, everything, you know, David McCullough books and, and all of this stuff and, and reading about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and.

• 1:44:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  And I, and I loved it.

• 1:44:42Tucker Carlson?

  Me too.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  You know, I.

• 1:44:45Tucker Carlson?

  The thing about isolationism is, in the United States, that it acknowledges reality and the reality, the physical reality is the United States is isolated. It's isolated from the other major civilizations in the world.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:57Tucker Carlson?

  And that's been a massive benefit. It's not Liechtenstein. It's not Hungary. It's not Poland. It's not Ukraine. It doesn't have to deal with the problems that those wonderful countries, I'm not attacking them, but they have all these problems that we just don't inherently have because of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  So. Yeah, geography matters.

• 1:45:12Tucker Carlson?

  And I don't understand. So it's mostly rich people who are pushing this and isolationism is bad. Why don't they pay for these wars themselves? I've never understood that. It's like attach yourself to the US government and then force its citizens to pay for like your pet war. Why doesn't, you know, why don't these people pay for it themselves?

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  Right, they could if they wanted to.

• 1:45:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I'm aware.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  They could fully fund it. I mean, when Bernie Sanders was out there pushing to tax, you know, to increase taxes for the wealthy, I think it was the Cato Institute or somebody set up a website where all of these like wealthy politicians who are now millionaires, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, they could all donate millions of dollars if they want. Like you want to, you, you, you put the money here.

• 1:45:55Tucker Carlson?

  And they could go fight the wars, by the way, too.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:45:58Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I think most of these hedge fund billionaires who've been pushing the US government to pay for all these absurd wars and still are, they could send their billions to whatever foreign country they wanted or whatever armed group they want to support, and then they could go join their ranks.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  But they want, they just want to make the money. So the, you know, the palantirs of the world that want to, you know, make money off the backs of the technocracy in this country and make money by now, you know, setting up a biometric border wall at the southern border or, you know, using their technology, AI technology to carry out, you know, drone operations wherever, you know, they're going to make, they're going to continue to make billions of dollars off of the war unless we sort of flip the paradigm. It comes back to your Christian point earlier. I hadn't thought about in those terms, but it's, it's deeply disturbing because if it is, you know, we want peace. I hope for this administration that they are able to get us out of all these wars. I would love for the Trump administration to take the 50,000 troops in Europe and put

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  them in the United States and secure our southern border. We had over 100 years of United States forces on our southern border. This is not like a new idea. So.

• 1:47:04Tucker Carlson?

  And Germany's had 100 years of foreign troops on its soil. And no one responsible for the atrocities of the Nazi regime is still alive. And so maybe you just sort of let the Germans be a country again. I think that's fair. I don't think foreign troops on your soil is good for your country at all. That's why the Germans are suicidal, which they are. And like, what is the point? How long is this gonna go on?

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  And Japan?

• 1:47:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I feel the same way about Japan.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:29Tucker Carlson?

  It's a little more complicated because of China, but I do agree with that. And Korea, for that matter, has not been good for Japan or Korea. North Korea has a much higher birth rate than South Korea. What is that?

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 1:47:41Tucker Carlson?

  Much higher, well, much higher.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  I know the birth gap over there is terrible.

• 1:47:44Tucker Carlson?

  South Korea is one of the lowest, and I, I just want to say, I love South Korea. And I love the people almost more than any other country, just wonderful people. So I'm not attacking them. I feel sorry for them, but their country is evaporating, it's dying.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  Japan as well.

• 1:47:56Tucker Carlson?

  And Japan as well, another country I absolutely love. Everyone who visits Japan is like, this is incredible, which it is, because the people are incredible.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:48:03Tucker Carlson?

  And, but like, having foreign troops on your soil does something to you. It turns you into, it reduces you.

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  Well, I've talked to friends in Poland who've told me they would love for NATO to break up. They would love for the NATO bases to close in Poland, for American forces to not be on their soil anymore. You know, this idea that we need NATO as a defensive organization is, is a complete crock of garbage. I mean, it's never been a defensive organization. Just look at Operation Gladio, for crying out loud.

• 1:48:38Tucker Carlson?

  What is Operation Gladio?

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  So the NATO terrorist armies that were left behind after World War II. Operation Gladio was only revealed in the 1990s. Documents have finally come out about it. But Operation Gladio was basically the instigation of terrorism at the hand of NATO forces. The Bologna massacre in Italy, Belgium.

• 1:49:00Tucker Carlson?

  I'm embarrassed. I don't even know what you're talking about.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  Well, most people don't because it's all hidden and they want people to believe that-

• 1:49:06Tucker Carlson?

  What was the Bologna massacre?

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  Well, using NATO forces to basically-

• 1:49:11Tucker Carlson?

  I just want to compliment myself by saying, I'm so self-confident, I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about. That's why I'm grateful you're here. So what was the Bologna massacre?

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  I don't know, and I will admit my ignorance on the, the full details of it.

• 1:49:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  But it, you know, took place in Bologna and NATO, NATO forces instigating-

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  Violence, killing individuals in order to prevent, you know, Soviets basically from coming into Italy, the same with in Belgium with the with attacks there and violence there against its own people. So these NATO terrorist armies were used, again, almost like false flag operations. So again, false flags work. This was in the era of like many false flags. So Operation Gladio, people can look it up. It was the documents were finally revealed in the 1990s. There's a great book on it called The NATO Terrorist Armies. But it's never been a defensive organization. And anyone who says that is being completely disingenuous. People point to Yugoslavia. That's a big piece of it. But that's even just a part of it. These stand up these these NATO stand up behind armies, these terrorist

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  armies all across Europe, were basically meant to prevent Russia or Soviet Union from gathering a foothold in certain countries by carrying out false flag operations. So and committing terrorism. That's exactly what they did. And that's what NATO has been. It's never been a defensive organization.

• 1:50:29Tucker Carlson?

  I want to hit one more topic. So just big picture. I have to again, if you had said any of this five years ago, people would be like Clayton's nice guy, good guy, cute kids, nice wife, but obviously he's profoundly mentally ill. I don't think people think that anymore. But the one story that I have seen in the past few years that I was just like, I can't go there. That's just Flat Earth stuff is the is the Brigitte Macron, I may know Macron, President Francis's wife, was accused first by French journalists, and then by my friend Candace Owens, who's one of the nicest people I've ever met, actually.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's incredible.

• 1:51:11Tucker Carlson?

  She's incredible. She, you know, she and everyone's always Candace Owens, a hater. Candace Owens is the opposite of a hater. But she's a very kind person. But anyway, but she comes out and she's like, I will wager my professional credibility on the claim that Macron's wife is actually a man. And I was like, I was like, oh, Candace Owens, I love you, but I think this is too, too crazy.

• 1:51:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:40Tucker Carlson?

  And then it turns out. She's right.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:43Tucker Carlson?

  What is so can you just explain? My mind is blown.

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  Well, my wife has been up. By the way, the Candace Owens pieces on this are phenomenal. And so I'll be sitting there and my wife, I'm like, what are you watching? She's like, I'm watching Candace Owens' whole deep dive on this. So let's give credit, you know, I'm giving full credit to Candace Owens on this for, for really opening this story up from the French journalists who first broke it. And then were, I think, like ostracized or basically told not to, to report it. So that, yeah, I mean, she's a, he's a groomer. So like, I mean, the fact that Emmanuel Macron was a child and this man takes him under his wing and is a groomer, uses the identity of another human being.

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm definitely shortening the story in all of these ways, but I don't know the full details, the way that Candace does for sure. But Brigitte Macron is a man who groomed Emmanuel Macron. And in their, I mean, the amazing thing to me is the French portrait that they have, you know, the, the presidential portrait or whatever. In the background, you can see like a pedophile book that's painted in on purpose. Like you, you can't make this stuff up.

• 1:52:57Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  The official, like French portrait painting. There's in the, in the background of it, you can see like a, basically a pedophile book that's been painted in on purpose. Um, and other paintings that Brigitte Macron was famous for having around in the, in the palace, all these really awful looking things that, you know, you've got pictures of a barn here, like the stuff that Brigitte likes to hang around. It's like, it's like pedophilia stuff on the walls. So it's incredibly crazy.

• 1:53:27Tucker Carlson?

  What is it with pedophilia? I mean, pedophilia is one of those things that it's like.

• 1:53:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's so, and I can relate to almost any sin, but I just want to be clear, I'm not being holier than thou. I mean, there's, I've done bad things. I have had, you know, bad impulses. I can kind of understand why people get pissed and shoot each other, or steal, or, you know, I don't, but I get it.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  Road rage, yeah.

• 1:53:52Tucker Carlson?

  Completely.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:53Tucker Carlson?

  You know, there but for the grace I got, that's how I sometimes feel. But pedophilia? Like, that's something that I can honestly say with a clean conscience, never even occurred to me. That's like, so...

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can say it too.

• 1:54:04Tucker Carlson?

  What is that?

• 1:54:06Speaker 02

  It's, and to me, and what's, what's, it's, on its, on its surface is, it's absolutely terrible. But then when you go even a layer deeper, when there's a whole mechanism protecting these people, who are all actively involved in it, in Hollywood, in Washington DC, funneling, I mean, again, not to go back to it, but it's all part of this operation with these elites, who, when you have these children, for instance, in Guatemala, the, what is it, 197,000 Guatemalan children that were funneled into the United States, and were then funneled to be used in the, in the sex trade in the United States. The United States is the largest purveyor of child sex trafficking in the world, the world. And we bring more children into the United

• 1:54:51Speaker 02

  States and are used for sex slavery than any country in the world. When Trump was asked, "Where are these children, uh, these 300, 400,000 children?" And Trump said, "I think they're dead." Trump was honest about it. They are. They're used and abused and thrown away. And so when you have people like Brigitte Macron, who are like groomers of children, it makes sense that they would be protected.

• 1:55:12Tucker Carlson?

  It does.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  In these elite circles. It's incredibly disgusting.

• 1:55:15Tucker Carlson?

  I never thought I would get to a place where I would like nod as somebody said, "Our elites are trafficking children for pedophilia." But actually, once you see what's going on, it makes sense, because what is pedophilia? It's a spiritual, it's not, I, I do think that it's more than just a, a diseased sexual impulse, though, it's clearly that.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:35Tucker Carlson?

  But it's the desire to defile purity.

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:38Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's what it is.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:39Tucker Carlson?

  I think the appeal is, you take a child who is pure, physically untouched, not corrupted by adult desire. And you destroy that.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:51Tucker Carlson?

  And that's the charge.

• 1:55:52Speaker 02

  It's.

• 1:55:53Tucker Carlson?

  That's just, that's a spiritual thing. That's, that's like, that's like child sacrifice. It's like.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:58Tucker Carlson?

  Which is ubiquitous.

• 1:56:00Speaker 02

  And by the way, it's still happening. I mean, it's, it's, it's just, to me, it's just part of the same thing. The, you know, it's the, the child sex trafficking and then they're, they're killing off of the children. You know, and I mean, I've, again, I've spoken to sources who've witnessed it firsthand, who actually used to be a part of it and didn't know they were a part of it. Out of Texas and flying these children from these facilities in Texas and Abbott's backyard to different parts of the country. Oh, what about the well, so you're flying them to where? Oh, we don't really know. They say that they're, no, but it's just wealthy people's homes. And do you check up on them? Uh, we're supposed to do a wellness check, but we don't really do that.

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  And if we do, it's just like a phone call. And if they don't even answer their phone, that's considered the wellness check on the child. So the NGOs responsible for facilitating the death and sex trafficking of these children across the United States into rich homes in Miami, rich homes in, you know, in Orlando, rich homes in Tennessee, rich homes in Washington DC. Where, who, are you the father of that? No, no, not, no relation whatsoever to these children. So when we hear the liberals crying about you're separating children from their families at the border. Those aren't the fathers. They bring these children across the border. They've got like a, a name tag stuck on them. That's not the father. You mean the child that he's holding that's drugged?

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  You mean the coyote that's holding that child? That child is drugged? And you can't even ask the child, who's your, what's your father's name? Cause that person was brought all the way up from Guatemala three weeks ago. And it's been drugged the entire time, can't speak and is slurring the words. Like this is happening in the United States. And the United States is facilitating it. It's, it's without a doubt, it's facilitating it. And these, these NGOs are rece, had been receiving lots of money from USAID and others. And it's been happening right under the nose of the Biden administration and under Alejandro Mayorkas, who facilitated all of it. Uh, and allowed it to happen. And one was confronted about it, told us that our borders were secure. How, really? Okay.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Hundreds of thousands of children that's just gone missing in the United States. And I get so frustrated because people compartmentalize this story. Like, they're happy to talk about Doge, which is great. They're happy to talk about other things. But I would love to see, like, the President of the United States or J.D. Vance, like, get up during a State of the Union and say, "We've uncovered something really dark, and we're gonna put an end to it, and this is what we've uncovered."

• 1:58:29Tucker Carlson?

  We can't even get the Epstein tapes.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Tucker Carlson?

  Not just the files, but there are videotapes. And where are they?

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  Right. Terabytes of videos from Epstein's home in New York and his island.

• 1:58:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, and his ranch in New Mexico.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  So, and I know from talking to FBI agents that, in fact, those are former FBI, that those, a lot of that would have been housed on separate servers. So when we heard stories about things being destroyed over the past few weeks, that those servers, which weren't tied to the internet, were individual servers that had terabytes of video data on it, was that what was being destroyed? Who ordered that? Who ordered the destruction of those hard drives, those servers?

• 1:59:11Tucker Carlson?

  Probably the same people who got into the most secure wing of a secure federal detention facility in Manhattan and murdered the guy.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:59:18Tucker Carlson?

  As the guards slept. So probably those people.

• 1:59:21Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:59:21Tucker Carlson?

  Because anybody who could do that, you know, can't even guess as to who it was, but has a lot of power. Like, that's actual power. You can murder someone in a cell in a federal detention facility?

• 1:59:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:32Tucker Carlson?

  You have power.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  And taking over electric cars, driving people into trees. You know, there are sources I've spoken to who've really gone to great lengths to shed light on the massive, you know, child sex trafficking operation and who've had their lives, in many ways, destroyed, threatened, run off the street in electric cars. So they don't even drive cars anymore, just ride bikes. So these people are evil. These people are really, really evil.

• 2:00:07Tucker Carlson?

  Because there ever were you?

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  It does, but then when I've got, you know, take my kids to multiple dance classes and swim meets and swimming and, you know, then you just kinda, I don't know, you just, I don't really think about it, really. That's the spirit. You know, I don't dwell on it, I guess, you know, maybe I would never, I'd never leave the house again, but here I am, you know, because, I don't know. I don't think about it. I definitely thought about it more in Europe, to be honest with you. Because as journalists in Europe, when we were speaking out against the war in Ukraine, I mean, we saw the persecution of journalists. Oh, yeah. Firsthand. I've had friends, incredible journalists, like Kevork Almasian in Germany, who, you know, Syrian journalist.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  I've had other journalists in Germany and the UK, I can think of, I can, I can count them on more than one hand, who received nasty grams from the government, that they were going to be prosecuted for basically their views on Ukraine. Like, what? What is that, what is that about? Or stopped at the airport and detained for hours at a time. So I was more worried about it then. In the United States, I believe, like, we have, we have, you know, those fundamental freedoms and freedom of speech. And so I, I kinda hang my head on that, at the end of the day, even though I feel like those have been eroded tremendously. Yes. But it gives me, it gives me hope in that way. And I've gotten calls from journalists, where should I move? Where should I move?

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  I said, can you move to the United States? At least there. Like, when I was in Europe, I couldn't use, I couldn't access certain websites, they would block certain website, news websites. In Portugal? In Portugal. But this was EU-wide, so it wasn't just Portugal, but it was, you know, so, oh, I want to get information about what's happening in Ukraine, sorry, you can't do that, it's not allowed based on local laws. Actually? Actually, so I would have to use virtual private networks to go around it, to act, to be able to, I would log into Switzerland or Iceland, but Iceland, you know, EU-adjacent, so mostly the United States. I'd be able to log in via a VPN in the United States to get access to news. So when I hear all these people complaining about freedoms, and they're like, I'm gonna move to Europe to get a, you know, Trump tyranny.

• 2:02:23Speaker 02

  People have called and wanted to know like, hey, you know, I, you know, I don't like what's going on in America right now. So I'm thinking about going to Europe. You've lived in Europe. Like, what do you think?

• 2:02:32Speaker 02

  I love that conversation because I say, oh, yeah, what are you, what are you hoping? Are you hoping to avoid freedom? Like, what do you want by going to Europe? Are you hoping to have more regulation? To fill out more paperwork? To be more censored? Like, what, what is your goal? Like, what do you think Trump is going to do to you here?

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  He's gonna take away your ability to access news websites? No, no, no, you want to go to Europe for that. What is Trump gonna do? He's gonna close the border to, what exactly are you upset about? And so I never, you know, you really get a straight answer about it, but I, it's only the climate. I feel less safe.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  From who? Like? A guy in a MAGA hat's gonna walk down the street and now he's gonna attack your daughter? Like, that's, you heard all of that in the wake of the inauguration, right? There's people gonna start volunteering at like domestic abuse centers because they're worried their MAGA husbands are now gonna beat their wives. Like, really? Domestic abuse skyrocketed under Biden. Where were you then?

• 2:03:29Tucker Carlson?

  Well, and it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the beta liberal husband who beats up his wife.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:03:34Tucker Carlson?

  Because he hates himself.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:03:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not a MAGA, it's not a Trump supporter is gonna beat his wife.

• 2:03:39Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, if someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:42Tucker Carlson?

  It's probably the Germans. I mean, they're total, they're haters because they hate themselves. You know, so they...

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  They'll allow you to blow up their pipeline.

• 2:03:49Tucker Carlson?

  Spank me harder, govern me harder!

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  It's the most self-loathing thing I've ever...

• 2:03:54Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree. In fact, I was flying back from the Middle East the other night with a German guy sitting next to me. He was pounding the wine, very nice guy, actually. But, um, I did say, he was, you know, talking about Trump is bad or whatever. I said, but you let Joe Biden blow up your main energy source, kind of a bitch move, no? And he goes, oh, Putin's bad. I was like, okay, fine, kind of a non sequitur, though. They just blew up your natural gas pipeline. And he's like, Putin bad, I thought. This is 17 hour flight. I'm not going to fight with the guy.

• 2:04:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. And also, well, that that speaks volumes about how their most recent election went then, of course, too.

• 2:04:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  Right. Because if you have people that that's they're, you know, brainwashed into believing that and deluded, it's fine that Biden blew up our pipeline. And now our energy infrastructure has collapsed. And our previous governor, Chancellor shut down our nuclear power plants, and all of our manufacturing is drying up. But Putin bad. No, no, we did that. You did that to yourselves. You did that to yourselves in the Bundestag.

• 2:04:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I know. It's pathetic. Clayton Morris, it is just wonderful to see you to have an on camera reunion after all these years.

• 2:04:59Speaker 02

  Oh, it's been my great, great pleasure and great honor to see you again.

• 2:05:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it has been wonderful. And I'm just thrilled by everything you said and by what you're doing. And I, once again, I think you've got one of the greatest life stories of anyone I know. So I hope you write it.

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know if anyone would read it. But can I say this? And don't cut this off, because I know you don't like people praising you. But you have been a beacon of hope for so many of us in the like, independent media world. One of the only, the only voice at the time who was still on network television, who was speaking out against war, speaking out against trying to attack and, you know, and kill people in Iran, trying to go to war against Russia. I know you lost that job probably because of that. But

• 2:05:43Tucker Carlson?

  The evidence suggests so.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  But I just, all that to say, you have been a beacon of light for many of us. And and I truly, truly mean that for people who are maybe thinking about, you've inspired, I think, a lot of people who are thinking about maybe getting into journalism for the first time. And if they would ever ask me, who would you hold up to look at? As an, as you know, as, as someone who would be, you would like to admire in journalism, or who I should study and look up to, you know, it wouldn't be Anne Applebaum. It would be, it would be Tucker Carlson.

• 2:06:18Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you. Well.

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  People should study your work.

• 2:06:21Tucker Carlson?

  But I don't have the credentials that Anne Applebaum does, and is a genius. You know, I do look at her, I say, man, you are smart, I must say.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Tucker Carlson?

  Great to see you, man.

• 2:06:32Speaker 02

  Thank you. Great to see you.

• 2:06:38Tucker Carlson?

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