Reviewed: Corvette ZR1X and Bentley Supersports

Reviews of the Corvette ZR1-X and the Bentley Continental Super Sports, PLUS a Waymo gets aggressive. Patreon questions include: We choose cars for 5 hilarious collabs Am I and a pro driver wrong about the RS3? Rent: a Mini Cooper or this ridiculous convertible? Do we use a steering wheel center stripe? Best 4-door road-tripper for $70k Need to replace a 2008 Civic manual with something fun. Cars for an automotive centipede trailer? Should I motor swap my Slate truck? How long to patina a watch? Old off-roader: repaint or let it age? $65k for a special sports car: go! Mido microbrand watches: go or no-go? I can't find this strap ANYWHERE And more! Recorded September 4, 2026 Show Notes: Ethos Get your free quote at https://ETHOS.com/tire Factor Head to https://factormeals.com/tire50off and use code tire50off to get 50 percent off and 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year, while supplies last until 10/31/2026. See website for more details. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/tire and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:21Matt Farah?

  everyone get their spine sliced open at least once in their life. It really humbles a person to be like, what if I couldn't walk? So he's back. Also, while he was out, I went and drove myself the Bentley Supersports, as well as the Corvette Z R one X. So we're talking about that today and answering those Patreon questions. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. Anyway, I'm glad we got to just drop back into the show on cat buttholes, but here we are. Hi, everybody.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  That's why I came back, yeah.

• 1:56Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, Zach came back. I was like, you got to.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  You're like, we're gonna talk about pussy buttholes.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  I got a story for you. Yeah, Zach, Zach had back surgery, what, 10 days ago?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  How many days? Was it 10? Something like that? About 10.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Last Monday.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, give or take. Live and well?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, seems very successful. Should've done it six years ago.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  That's the problem, yeah. I waited six months both times. I was like, why didn't I do this? The fucking first sign of pain, you know? You realize how much pain you had when it was gone.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Totally, yeah. I had gotten some, I don't, every doctor has an opinion. That's the problem. So, but anyway.

• 2:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, when the surgery solves it, it, it makes you feel like anyone who told you to not have surgery to go, what the fuck, man?

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 2:43Matt Farah?

  This fixed it. Why didn't you say to not do this? You know? But, but, you know, if, if it didn't solve it, or if something went wrong, you know, then you might turn into RFK Jr. or something.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's why I didn't get the disc replacement, because one doctor wanted me to do that, and they were like, if you do that, you can't go backwards. But if you do this, you can go forwards. And I was like, ooh, okay, let's, let's, let's go one, then two, then three, then four. Yeah, but yeah.

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  So that's good news. That's good news. I'm, I'm sorry you, you, you missed a couple of cars when we were gone.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:16Matt Farah?

  It was a shame. The shame, although, honestly, the Z R one X, you would have, you would have messed your spine up somehow.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. If we'd launched it when I was two days.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  It would have been problematic if you, like, because up to Zach's surgery, you know, he had to make several decisions of, is this level of fun I might have doing whatever activity this is, is worth the pain and potential damage? The Cletus race.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Cletus race, Singer Turbo.

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  The Singer Turbo, and the, the race in, the endurance race.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  At Road America.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all right. Like Lemons last year.

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like quite a few things you did while injured where it was like, shit, is this worth it? But like, that's, there's that. But like, if you're gonna have the surgery, like, you kind of, you go, well, you know, we're gonna have the surgery. But once you've had the surgery, you don't want to then do that game. It's, you gotta take care of yourself.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, until you're, yeah, for sure.

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  So.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I mean, my friends are doing Lemons in three weeks.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, you ain't doing that shit.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  And for one moment, I was like, I wonder, I went, no, what am I saying? Like, what am I, I was like, I, I.

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  You could probably do Lemons in three months.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  You could not do it in three weeks.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  No. I was like, Buttonwillow Smooth. I was like, you know what's not? If you go off. And then.

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  I think once you'd in, you were in the seat, you'd have very little chance of hurting yourself. But, boy, could you fuck yourself up getting in and out of the car.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Or if you crash.

• 4:45Matt Farah?

  Or, yeah.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Any of those things. Anyway, I interrupted.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  No, no, no.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  So the Corvette, though, the good thing with the Z R one X is they're gonna make a 2027 and eight. So I'll get another shot. But the Singer Turbo, which I was in a lot of pain back, that was like a year ago, but that was rough. I was like, you're like, are you sure you want to go? And I was like, yeah.

• 5:01Matt Farah?

  This may, this might be the only chance.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  This is not gonna happen again, yeah.

• 5:04Matt Farah?

  Although, maybe not. We'll see, we'll see. I had, I had breakfast with, with Maz from Singer the other day, and I, I couldn't help myself.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 5:16Matt Farah?

  I couldn't help myself. I was like, the Louis cars, what the fuck? And he's like, I know, dude, you got it. He goes, you gotta trust me. You have to see it in person. They photograph so badly. But when you get up close in person, there's, there's a richness to the materials. He's like, it's just, he's like, I know they're kind of stupid, but it's like they're art pieces, and it's a, it's like, it's a thing. It's not like all of our cars are going to be this. It's like, it's just a, it's a thing to get people talking, and it got people talking. And I promise you, it looks better in person. And no, all the cars aren't gonna have blue tires. And I was like, look, fair enough, but the shifter looks like a ball sack. And he was like, come on, man.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  It's just, I think, I mean, I think the shifter boot is cool, but it's just way too big. The ratio, it's prolapsed around the shifter itself.

• 6:06Matt Farah?

  But I have a feeling we'll never see those cars again. They're going into some private collection somewhere, and we never have to see them again. So we can just go back to the regular Singer turbos that are awesome in like, blue.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  I would like to see it in person, because I think like, the, the wood on the intakes looks cool, and I bet it looks really nice, and you should never drive it, because it'll get chipped up. But like, that is a cool experiment. The wooden wing.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I mean, that's like, you can shape it really nicely, obviously.

• 6:31Matt Farah?

  There's individual details of the car that in, you know, I, dude, I, I, I'm over collabs, in general. I'm over collabs. I also, and I admitted this to Maz, I specifically, and I admit my bias here, because of my father, think Louis sucks.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 6:51Matt Farah?

  Like, I.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Your blood, they're Crips.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  For, like, for real. Team fucking Polo, dude. We think Louis sucks over here. And we think Louis sucks because they sell like, garbage for a huge amount of money. They also have nice things. But the vast majority of that shit people buy from them is literally plastic duffel bags with that print on it. That is.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Because it used to be leather, right? But then they reduced the material cost.

• 7:17Matt Farah?

  And in some cases, it still is. If you buy the very, very, very high end, you know, the trunks and, and stuff like that. But the, the Louis bag that people, that shit's made of plastic. Like, and, yeah, so, I, I just, I, I don't like Louis. So I don't like Louis, and I don't like collabs, and I'm, so I'm predisposed. I admit my bias.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  And I will defend this, and people are probably listening, and they're like, what a weird rivalry. It's like, this is how humans work. You're a Cubs fan, you hate the White Sox, Jets, whatever, like, what? This is exactly how this works. So before you think this is like, a silly rivalry, your brain would work the same way. Of course, your dad worked at this store. You're like, well, then fuck these people.

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  And I, I would, I would hear him talk about, I don't know why anyone buys these. Don't they touch them and go, this is plastic? Why is it $1,000? Like, you know, and my dad, they're over here selling this like, you know, shit made of cows, you know, at the time. Anyway, so, I, we didn't, I didn't mean to start 20 minutes on that car. But he, you know, I, I'd love to see it in person, but I probably never will, because it's going to wherever it goes.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  It's already gone already, yeah.

• 8:24Matt Farah?

  But, um, all right. While you were out, a few things, few things happened, and you can, you can choose the direction of the show.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  All right.

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  We had, I drove the Bentley Supersports at Laguna Seca. Could talk about that. Also had the Z R one X here for a week. Could talk about that. The, the Manx broke, but is fixed already.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Well, it broke with Sam.

• 8:46Matt Farah?

  It broke with Sam.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  It broke again?

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  No.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  It's fixed. That was, that's a, that's a 30 second story. Weird development thing. Nothing to do with the radial engine. Because my, the Manx is, is a low Manx, and it's pretty much like the only low Manx. The rest of them are high. When we were at the gross vehicle weight limit with me and Sam, and I hit a, a big articulation coming out of a gas station, it went, you know, and the front tire at full lock hit, came into contact with the housing on the back of the blinker.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  Which is in the body.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  And I felt a rub, and I was like, oh, shit, we're at fucking gross vehicle weight limit, because I've never had this car rubbed before. And it died like a minute later. Well, it turns out that contact rubbed the, the wires which shorted it out, which killed the engine.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 9:42Matt Farah?

  So it, Ali called it, actually, the same day it happened. He's like, I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened. And he called exactly what happened. And nothing to do with the engine. And no, it just was, you know, it was just a thing. So not only did they fix it, they redesigned the rear housing, which is now shallower. So you, it's like, it's almost impossible, you couldn't possibly come into contact with it again. And they separated the circuits so that if a bullshit circuit, like a blinker, or the wipers, or the headlights goes out, it doesn't take the engine down with it.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 10:15Matt Farah?

  Which is probably important. So, development driving, back in business.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  Back in business.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're a test engineer.

• 10:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Taycan, not so much. Not back in business. Thumbs are twiddling.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Well, it's been how long now?

• 10:30Matt Farah?

  The, the incident was on July 27th, I think.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Wow, so we're a month and a half almost.

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  What was the estimate? Didn't they say it would be done mid-September, though?

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Here's, here's what happened. Unfortunately.

• 10:45Matt Farah?

  The shop, and this is, I'll admit partial fault here. Because I had to take the wheel off to ship it to HRE. So I took all four of the HRE wheels off and I put the stock wheels back on. Because it, he, the body shop guy said, if he had the damaged wheel on the car, he would have taken more, potentially more seriously. Effectively, they, they inspected the car, ordered parts. There was a delay in getting the parts, they got the parts. And when they started to do the install,

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  they took all four wheels back off and they found more damage underneath. They found one of the other shocks was damaged. So what I'm saying is, they didn't really, not the body shop, because the body shop took off the broken body panels and then sent the car to a Porsche dealer for mechanical repairs. And they have a dealer partner, that, you know, it doesn't matter, it's a Porsche dealer.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 11:56Matt Farah?

  The dealer did not do a full, full inspection. So when they went to go and repair the car, they found more damage underneath. So not only does that mean more part, it means they have to get the fucking, and get the insurance adjuster back out there and all this other just cycle of bullshit.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Who did the initial inspection of what was damaged, the body shop? So like, when the Porsche dealership ordered parts, what was, what information was that based on?

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  The body shop and the dealer.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  But the dealer didn't thoroughly enough say, you know, that they found more. They found more broken stuff, so.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:37Matt Farah?

  It's like definitely related, like the control arm was snapped.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  But that would make for a delay, wow.

• 12:43Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, I mean, it's not like, we got, we got stuff to drive. We got, we got stuff to drive, so I, you know, had a sight out of mind, I guess, but.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  That's a bummer, dude.

• 12:51Matt Farah?

  Pain in the dick, oh my god, this is a fucking nightmare, stupid car. So, you know, we could, we already, you know, I talked with Johnny about the Ecentrica, but.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Okay, that's fine, we don't.

• 13:04Matt Farah?

  We don't need to revisit.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Well, I think I agree with you on all the points, like, I mean, that was my second Diablo I've driven. I think the other one was at.

• 13:11Matt Farah?

  The other one was a Curated, right?

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, Curated, which was very fun. And I don't think this added anything to that experience. And then also, did you guys talk about all the problems it had, overheating? You know, that, like, it was hot, but this is a million, two million dollars.

• 13:25Matt Farah?

  It was hot, but not that hot. And we weren't doing anything that is above and beyond what a car should be expected to perdo.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  When I drove it, I started it and tried to drive downhill. And I tried to catch an E46 M3 going 48 miles per hour. And I was at 41 on a very gentle hill and I was like, can you slow down? I can't catch you right now.

• 13:46Matt Farah?

  Needs more development.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, okay, all right, well, let's talk about Bentley, dude.

• 13:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Bentley Supersports, it's, yeah, there's some, there is some. Also, I mean, I talked about the electric Cayenne with Johnny, but if there are any questions lingering that I didn't get to about that, we can go back to it. But that thing is pretty fucking dope, actually. Not everyone's gonna like it and it is expensive, although not more expensive than it's ever been as a, like inflation. Like, my dad's '04 Cayenne Turbo, adjusted for inflation, is only like $6,000 less than the one I drove. And the one I drove is 800 horsepower and has active ride, so, you know. It's not like, it's not like it's specifically Porsche raking you over the coals with that, anyway.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  It's good that some things are keeping with inflation, not wages.

• 14:33Matt Farah?

  No, no, many, yeah, yeah, yeah. But many, the problem with the fucking wage situation is that it's not getting enough of the share of the blame. A lot of the blame is going to the people that are selling stuff that is the same price as inflation.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  You know, they're making a profit, okay, but like, if the wages fucking kept up, a bunch of more people could afford this stuff at the prices that it's selling for, which is kind of the same price it was always selling for.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, if you look at a bunch of, we talked about this with 911T, the prices of these cars are actually going up with it. They're not outpacing inflation like healthcare and other stuff. They're just with it, but there's so much of it.

• 15:14Matt Farah?

  So anyway, let's talk about a car nobody could afford. You know, what am I gonna do? That's the problem with fucking billionaires. I love the shit they buy, you know? Until they've started buying senators. So, the Bentley Supersports. Folks taking a break today for Delete Me. You know about Delete Me, I've been talking about Delete Me forever, but it's time to take action as every day there's a new, uh, news of some more powerful AI model, right? And what other malicious people are using, uh, large language models and machine learning for is to scam you, to steal your information, to buy your information en masse and to use it to target you either with ads

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• 20:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:02Matt Farah?

  Right, so, so you've got, uh, you've got the 4.0 liter twin turbo engine, rear drive, non-hybrid, okay? It's, uh, it's making 657 horsepower and 590 pound-feet. Like, that's a hot little item.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  Um, and it weighs 4389, which is not like light, but light as shit for a Bentley.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  For a Bentley, it's also, what, a couple hundred pounds more than like a Camaro ZL1?

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, there's plenty of new sports cars, M3s that weigh around this ballpark and, you know, make less power.

• 20:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's, it's a, it's a hot boy. Um, it's, it's got sort of GT500 vibes, actually. That's really your kind of, like, I'm not trying to, like, I'm gonna drive the Dark Horse SC in next month, which is the new GT500, basically. Um, and you can just look at this and go, well, they've dark horse the Bentley, haven't they? A couple of people on Instagram were like, yo, they dark horse it.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, the rear fender line, now that I think about it, is very Mustang, but.

• 21:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which is not wrong, but also not as much of an insult as that person thinks it is. Because it's not like the Dark Horse doesn't do the thing that Ford says it does. Like, it very much delivers on its promise, uh, that car.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  True.

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  And so, rear wheel drive, bunch of horsepower. They've also taken a bunch of weight out of it. Now, 4389 isn't super, super light, but the GT Speed is more than 1,000 pounds heavier than this.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 21:35Matt Farah?

  The GT Speed is 5,500.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  Whoa, well, that's a hybrid system and everything.

• 21:40Matt Farah?

  That's not hybrid, it's all-wheel drive and this has no backseat. The Supersports has no backseat. They take out a few other, it's got a carbon roof, it doesn't have a glass roof. Um, they don't have massage seats, it's got carbon body panels. Um, you know, it's, they, they, they've, they've taken a bunch of shit out of it. So, you know, zero to sixty, three point four, which traction.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:03Matt Farah?

  That's, that's, that's, that's pretty much all you're gonna do with any front engine rear drive car. Hundred ninety-nine mile an hour top speed. The weight distribution, now with the, with the speed hybrid, it's slightly rear biased, which is really nice for trail braking into a slide. This one is now a little front. It's fifty-four front, forty-six rear.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Yeah.

• 22:27Matt Farah?

  So it's a little nose heavy. Good news, you can still trail brake it into the initiation of a slide.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Well, of course.

• 22:35Matt Farah?

  And now it's rear wheel drive, so you, in theory, could then hold this slide beautifully. However, they wouldn't let me turn off traction control at the launch. So, we're at Laguna, and Mike Sayer, who is Bentley's head of historic and motorsport, this dude rules. I don't like having OEM people on the show, but like, I think Mike would probably qualify.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:57Matt Farah?

  Cause he's like, he's just the fucking man, and he could get in like, any Bentley from the, you know, pre nineteen sixty, and just immediately drive it really fast. Which is a pretty fun, he was the one whipping the car at Ice Race.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  The classic one, that's Mike.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  That was really cool.

• 23:13Matt Farah?

  So he was my, you know, chaperone. And so on one thing, it, it really says something that, that this car was great at Laguna, it was a lot of fun. It's very hunkered down on its wheels. That's what it really feels like. The steering is very sharp. It's got these monster sixteen inch, ten piston ceramic brakes, biggest brakes on any production car.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  What size are the wheels, like twenty-two?

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  Twenty-ones, I think. They, the brakes are shared with the Urus Performante, although they were, Mike insists they were developed for the Bentley, and then Lamborghini got them. He was very insistent on that. But, so we, you know, I had to have him, but he's, he's great. And he apologized for not letting me turn off traction control. It was a rule because they only had fucking two of these cars or something.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Honestly makes sense.

• 24:05Matt Farah?

  We have it for Performance Car of the Year in two and a half weeks, and then, so I didn't push the issue. I was like, you won't be here to tell me to turn this off on Thunder Hill, so. But, nevertheless, coming into turn one, you know, turn one over the hill, it's really turn two, which is the, you know, the big double apex to the left.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Like a hundred and forty degree left.

• 24:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, so that's where you're really trail braking, and the back just steps right out. I mean, it's so nice, you could have, you could just do some dope shit in this car, if. But when it, when that traction control catches, it catches really aggressively.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:39Matt Farah?

  And it's kind of a buzzkill.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  It's not like, uh, like Corvette system or Mercedes.

• 24:44Matt Farah?

  No, or McLarens, or even BMWs. It's, it just, you know, it has a sport mode, but it doesn't have this sort of progressive where, where you could maybe convincingly hold a little bit of angle. It just dies, which is a bummer.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Matt Farah?

  Um, I was hoping, but like, the answer to this is full off. I mean, the other Bentleys, it's not like they're great with the tractions in sport mode, like you just put them full off, and because they're all wheel drive, then it really doesn't matter, cause you just fucking, and it just, you just mat it, and it just goes.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Right, it figures it out.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  With the rear drive one, you sort of want there to be a thing that can help you hold that angle, but there isn't. But like, I mean, are a lot of people drifting their Bentleys? I don't know, but that.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  No, not at all. I was like, I was thinking, I guess they don't have a partnership with a company that's developed, like, GM's got their system, Mercedes is great, uh, McLaren's is really good, so maybe Bentley just doesn't have access to that computing and sensors, and they just go, well, who cares anyway? We don't need, or we don't need to spend the money buying this.

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Probably true.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Because no one's gonna do it.

• 25:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  It's like me, Jethro, and Chris that care about this.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  And you guys would just turn it off. So, it doesn't actually matter.

• 25:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I agree. Having said that, supposedly with the system in sport, it will pull one point three G on the corners.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  The, the aero, they, you know, and I don't have a, I can't, I don't have any way of disputing this, but they say all of this aero is fully functional, and the point of it is, because that center of mass is moved so drastically, they need aero at the back to balance it out, you know, under braking and things like that.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  And so they say it is, is actually quite functional. The wheels are, uh, by Manti, which is pretty cool, little Porsche partnership there. You know, you've, it's still air suspension, it's got Bentley Dynamic Ride and rear steer and all that. Um, and it does have the forty-eight valve, uh, forty-eight volt active anti-roll system. I was allowed six laps, that's all I got.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 26:51Matt Farah?

  Which is still more than, you know, some other people got, but like, I didn't get to drive it on the road, so I'll have to wait till Performance Car of the Year to drive it on the road, but like, not a lot of people are, I've been talking about driving Bentleys on racetracks for a couple of years, it's a good time, no matter what, they are better than you think, but like, also, most people aren't taking these things to track days, but like, this one, maybe you would. This would hold, this would hold up to a full track day and be surprisingly quick.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  You think you'd take it, is it the circumstance of like, you're gonna do a road and track drive, you know, I mean, this would be a great car probably for one of the experiences, you know?

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  It would be a great road trip car.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Assuming it's soft enough on the road to be comfortable.

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  It has twin valve dampers.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:34Matt Farah?

  So it's got a tour and a sport mode. It's probably not as soft as other Bentleys, but like.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  You know who will track this is the person who drives it to the track to pick up their club sport something, and it's broken, for whatever, where it has, whatever happens, they pop a tire and they go, alright, and then just hop in their Bentley and go rip.

• 27:50Matt Farah?

  It would be great for the practice day for your endurance race weekend. Are you racing, you're racing your cup car on the weekend?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  Thursday practice, to run some laps in this. It makes a great sound. The only thing, you know, that I don't really love is that the gearbox, all these cars, you need more cushion to downshift than is mathematically necessary.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 28:19Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? So if there's two thou, if the red line is seven, and there, you need, and there's two thousand RPM between the gears, you have, it makes you wait until it's down to like thirty-five hundred to get the gear, even though there's plenty of room, starting at five. A Porsche, or a McLaren, or a Ferrari, or a, a, a real supercar, will not make you have that extra cushion, whereas like, everyday bullshit cars have that.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  They do, and I, I also used to complain about this, and then when we did the race at WRL, we were in the BMW two thirty-five, it's got the ZF eight speed, and I realized that, you know, if I'm on the brakes on a track, like, all, all of my stopping power is being, or my stopping is being done by the brakes, so by the time it's, you know, I turn in, I have given it enough room where the ZF will give me the gear I need, cause I don't wanna downshift and only have a hundred RPM left to go through that corner, right? Like, I need to go, let's say I'm coming in at fifth, and I need to go through the corner at third, at four thousand RPM. Well, I'm on the brakes long enough that it's gonna give me third, and then I can get on the gas and come out of it. But, like, it's fun to be able to downshift, especially with like a McLaren transmission,

• 29:34Speaker 01

  where it will give you that seventy-nine hundred RPM, red line's at eight, you know, it'll shift to that, but I think it, it highlighted to me that it's less important if you're driving really fast than I thought it was.

• 29:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I was just talking to, at Maz's Same Breakfast, he's, he's racing, um, a Viper. He bought, he bought with Jensen.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Oh, that's why Jensen drove it, okay.

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so they bought this car together.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

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• 30:43Matt Farah?

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• 32:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  And he was going faster than Maz, and he was like, uh, you know what I mean? He's like, how frustrating that is. And so, I think, you know, maybe you're right, and maybe it is, it is actually possible to go faster within these, this limitation that I'm complaining about, than it would be to, if it did the thing I wanted it to do.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Um, but look, I

• 33:03Matt Farah?

  Having said that, it's a pretty big gap. And even Mike was like, yeah, you know, that's the thing that I kinda don't like about it as well. Like, he, he did agree with me that that is a thing that happens with this powertrain.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  That could maybe be better. Like, it's just a big gap. It's not like, I'm not trying to like downshift and then be, you know, 500 RPM from, from redline. But, I don't know, with, with, with this car, um, it does, it seems to, like, as I'm braking, going up the hill at Laguna, braking for the corkscrew. I'm trying to downshift and brake at the same time. And in other cars, I would be getting the gear at a certain time.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Got, right.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  In this car, it's not giving me the gear when I want it. I get it eventually, and I am using the brakes primarily, but I'm spending more effort.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  It's like the Amira.

• 34:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  So I understand, it's the timing is un, not unpredictable. It's different than the timing on other cars, even other cars that have automatics. Like, I think the Amira, which has an automatic gearbox, downshifted lazier and later than like an M3 would.

• 34:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  You know, so let's, let's just say that the M3 is the best a CF can be in terms of the timing of downshifting. If this is 1,000 RPMs off of that, your brain is used to like, alright, it should downshift now, but then you pull it, you have to relearn how to time that pull. Otherwise, otherwise you pull the paddle to downshift, it doesn't give you the gear. Now your brain is paying attention to that and you're losing the focus on the corner.

• 34:42Matt Farah?

  And it's incongruous with the speed at which it upshifts.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  Which is fast and aggressive. You know, one of the things I like so much about, about PDK is it's kinda does the same thing both ways, like, sort of all the time. And I mean, the fucking, the ZR1X, incredible gearbox. I mean, really, really, the, the smoothness of it, considering there isn't an e-motor in the gearbox, is really incredible. But, and we can go, circle back to that in a minute, but, but, um, but with this car, it's just, it, you do need to, I'm all, like, I wanna get my downshifting done before I'm turning into the corner, but because that gap is so big, I'm dealing with that bullshit like as I'm turning into the corner.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  Or closer to turning in than I really want or need to be.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 35:33Speaker 01

  I, I understand. And if you have, if the, if the transmission's requiring, let's say the transmission's gonna require eight full seconds of decel, but you only need six seconds of decel to get to the speed of the corner.

• 35:44Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  You're like, well, now I'm waiting two extra seconds for this to do its job.

• 35:47Matt Farah?

  Correct, yeah. And, and that's really all Bentleys, and I think the solution is to drive them more like you're talking about, drive them a little bit further away from the redline, and, you know, just recalibrate your brain for it. It's still not the ultimate track weapon, but, you know, I already love these cars, and I don't know anybody who drives them and is like, that sucked. Like, everybody who drives these cars is like, oh, I kinda get why these things are so expensive. And this is, you know, as, as sharp and sporty as they can make one within reason.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  They've also got a lot of these Mulliner options that you can get where, be above and beyond what you could get with a speed or a regular one, where you can get really cra, I mean, tritone interiors and the ombre paint, where like, the one I drove, go back to the Instagram, did you see the one? The one I drove, and I, I, I have a lot of pictures of it, um, is, is fucking red on one side and, uh, and go, go down, further down? That one. The one that's, it's black in that photo, no, no, sorry, that's the convertible, the, to the left of that post. So, look, this car, it's black on this side.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 37:10Matt Farah?

  And, that's the same car.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:13Matt Farah?

  And it's red, so it's, it's a color shift from left to right. So if, if it goes by you on one direction, it's one color.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  It's like the left quarter of, like, the left 25% of the car are red.

• 37:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like a two-thirds, one-third. And, and by the way, the interior is that as well. The interior, the driver's seat and the left door are red, and the rest of it is black.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 37:39Matt Farah?

  Like, yeah, and it's like a hundred thousand dollars to turn paddles. No, I think it's like 60. I don't know the exact price, but it's a lot of fucking money to do that. So, so they can do crazy shit with this car. And it's really expensive, and they're bringing 500 to the US. They say they're already sold, but I think that means they're allocated to dealers, not sold to customers, just yet. But, and of course, they're gonna do a convertible, because of course, because they just, that's what, how this works.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Sure. It's like the Z06 convertible. Is the roof bare carbon?

• 38:12Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  It's kinda weird that like, for, for me, that the hood has this blended red and, uh, black, but then when you get to the roof, it's a hard edge of red.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  Sure. You know, it would be sick if they faded it, if they faded the red into the carbon.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  They should do that.

• 38:25Matt Farah?

  That would be hot.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Charge an extra 20 grand. But this, this, this line is very harsh compared to what's on the hood.

• 38:31Matt Farah?

  I agree. Uh, and I'm sure you could get either a full painted roof or a, this being a press car, it makes sense that they would leave it naked carbon in order to go, we have a carbon roof. I would, the fade onto the carbon would have been the shit, though. Yeah. It, you know, it's great. It was, it was, I didn't get to drive it on the street, but like, driven Bentleys on racetracks before, this was the best one. Um, once we get to turn the trash control off, it's going to be an animal. Uh, it's gonna be great fun.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Bring extra tires.

• 39:02Matt Farah?

  And, um, you know, it's, it's got, it's got all that good shit you want. It's got the, got the plungers in the dash, it's got the, the thing that fucking spins and the, and you know, all that good stuff. So, super expensive, but a great time.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 39:19Matt Farah?

  And, uh, I wrote, uh, I wrote the story for Road and Track. It is up, uh, on roadandtrack.com, there it is. I didn't write the title, I never do. The Bentley Continental Supersports has hit the gym if you, uh, really, uh, if you really wanna read my in det, in-depth first drive piece.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 39:40Matt Farah?

  What else is happening? You wanna talk about ZR1Zs, ZR1Xs?

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure. What'd you do with it? Where'd you take it?

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  I went up the mountains. Um, I went up the mountains. Uh, oh, I didn't do, I didn't post the gallery of the ZR1X yet.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  No pictures.

• 39:55Matt Farah?

  Sorry. Um, shall I wait? I'm gonna get pictures?

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Uh, we're at 37.

• 40:01Matt Farah?

  Do I need to pause for 30 seconds while I have?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It would waste the photos if I don't actually use them for this. This thing is fucking crazy. Um, I, you know, when I drove this regular ZR1 last year, and it was like, it, it's so fast, I drove it for Performance Car of the Year, but I drove it at, um, Thunder Hill, which is, is, is a great track, but not real, I mean, you need, you need like Spa or something, or Road America, to really exploit this level of, you know, you can only go flat for like two seconds at, at Thunder Hill.

• 40:43Matt Farah?

  And, um, even on the, the backroads of Northern California, you, you couldn't, you know. So, in the Angeles Forest, there are a couple places where you can go flat for like four seconds, I guess, in this car. And, and, and this thing, like, when you hit the fucking, when you hit second and third gear in this, this is what I remember, like, my first time driving a Koenigsegg being, where you go, what the fuck is this? Like, the acceleration of this car is so violent, but the gearbox is not.

• 41:28Matt Farah?

  So normally, when shit like the SSC or the Koenigsegg, they're all using that sequential gearbox where it's like

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Single clutch.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Bam.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Every, every gear change is a gunshot to your back, you know? Not this, this is smooth. And so this is like, this is a fucking missile, this car.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  What's the fastest, most powerful either, like, turbo you've ever driven? 911 Turbo? Like, what BBI car? I'm wondering what, what PDK fitted car had power comparable to this that you might have driven to see if it's a similar feeling?

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  Like, this is faster than our giveaway car. Which, by the way, there has been a winner, sidebar, and we won't, we can't reveal their name, except to reveal that she is a 77-year-old woman from California.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  She does a lot of runway racing.

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, buddy. But, uh, but we've already, uh, committed to the next giveaway car, which is something I think that you guys are really gonna like. Um, I think it's gonna be excellent.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  She's already crocheted a cover for the car.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  Wait till she launches that, motherfucker.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Got kittens on it and...

• 42:44Matt Farah?

  Um, so the ZR1X, I mean, if you've been sleeping under a rock, has the 1,064 horsepower, five and a half liter twin turbo V8, which, you ask me, top two or three engines of all time. I mean, free the, uh, we'll get to the hybrid motor in a second. This is 180 and something horsepower. It adds up to 1250.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  I mean, 1250. You can just buy that. Like, they're just selling that to people.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  It's almost three Mustang GTs worth of horsepower.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  The, the, what happens when you go flat in this car? It has these nice bucket seats that are very comfortable and hold you in. Even if you're in the perfect driving position, perfect setup, you hang on, you, you hang on the wheel. You can't not. You can't drive it in your fingertips.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Instinctively, just...

• 43:43Matt Farah?

  If you hit the fucking pedal, you are pulling the wheel towards you. You, there's no other choice in this matter. It, it, it, it is, uh, if I told you the speeds I saw, the multipliers of the speed limit, you know, a fast car, 2.5 maybe, right? I saw fours and fives. Like, there is a place where I saw, where I saw four, 4X the speed limit. There was one place where I saw five. Like, it's deeply, deeply antisocial to be using something like this on a public road.

• 44:25Matt Farah?

  And there are very few tracks that are big enough to actually take advantage of it either.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  Well, that's what's kind of crazy and, and they just announced today, like, Jensen's coming out. Jensen, the UK car company that you may have seen.

• 44:37Matt Farah?

  I saw, yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  But like, they're launching a new car to bring themselves back. And it's like a 1,283 horsepower race car.

• 44:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Effectively. And I looked at that and I was like, what a weird way for a company that's known for making, like, really beautiful GT coupes that sound like muscle cars, but look a little bit more Italian. And now they're gonna make something that the number of people qualified to drive that at speed, all are competing in IMSA, Le Mans, like, you have to have an FIA license, basically.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  That's what, that's what this is. This is a fucking Can-Am car.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  It's Can-Am power.

• 45:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, you, you cannot believe the thrust of this fucking thing. And it's ju, it's psychotic. I mean, really, really, really psychotic. I mean, even when you get in the zinger, you're like, kind of, you're more kind of ready for it. Because like, you could drive this around at half throttle and still go so fast. The difference between half throttle and full throttle is like, you could, you could still scare somebody at half throttle. This car's got a lot of grip. This one was on PS4Ss, didn't even have cup twos. Interesting combo.

• 45:47Matt Farah?

  Big aero, it's like maroon over brown, big aero car, carbon wheels, but PS4S tires. So, it didn't have...

• 46:00Speaker 01

  You know, but like, we talked about this, so many people, we just prefer PS4s. Like, the cup tires.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Not my favorite.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  No, I agree. But when you, when you've got this much power.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  I guess, yeah.

• 46:12Matt Farah?

  And when you've got...

• 46:13Speaker 01

  That little incremental bit of grip is helpful.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  I mean, I learned pretty recently, when I took my Spider around a few laps of Willow Springs. Like, at canyon speeds, PS4Ss are fine. My car is not suitable for a racetrack with those tires on. It's just not enough grip. Like, it pushes when I really start to go into a corner hard, and then it instantly fucking snaps when I apply throttle. And I would need stickier tires if I really care about racetracking that car. This is even more, but like...

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:42Matt Farah?

  You, don't get me wrong, you can still go, prison time. You can go feloniously fast in this car without those tires, but you could go even quicker if you had them. Um, you know, it, it's, it's, it's, it's really, really, the fact that, that this is what GM is doing for, you know, depending on how you spec it, let's call it high, mid to high twos for the X. And what you have to spend in Europe to get, uh, cars that are largely, like, not to just shit on Ferrari again, but the 849 is not as quick as this.

• 47:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, arguably, it doesn't even look as good, I think. This may even look prettier. It has worse, worse software, it's harder to use. And, and all the European cars, the Temerario included, the Astons included, anything coming out of Europe, when you turn them on, they're always in the wrong mode. You gotta, you got, the first thing you gotta do is put them in the right mode, all of them.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Right, because of the European regs.

• 47:50Matt Farah?

  This car, cause it's America, you get in.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  No reg.

• 47:53Matt Farah?

  You hit the fucking button and it goes vroom, and then it sounds great.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Well, does it stay in your drive mode when you turn it off? Or is it just turn on in a mode?

• 48:03Matt Farah?

  No, no, it won't restart into track mode. But if you have, uh, if you set the individual mode, it will stay in that mode through drive cycles.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Right, where the Euro cars don't do that, right?

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 48:13Matt Farah?

  They all turn out power on in EV mode.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  And then you have to go into another mode to, to get it into, you know, and in the case, when I drove the Temerario, I was like, this car's really cool, but it's, you're never seem to be in the right mode.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  Whereas after a few days in the ZR1X, I was like, you know what? I'm almost never in the wrong mode. Wherever, whatever I'm doing, it's, it's all right. Like, when I start it up, it's on. Like, it has, it has electrification, but like, when it's on, it's on. You know, so, now, hybridization. In my opinion, unless you're actually drag racing, or unless you must, must, must, must, must brag that you have the most powerful one, and that's all you really care about, skip the X. The, the, this single motor system at the front, and, you know, Ferrari, the 849, the Porsche 918, the higher end cars that use two motors up front,

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  they get the magic steering that comes from this system. All the Corvettes that use the all-wheel drive system, the, the power is for, the, the E motor helps for braking and acceleration, and it'll, it'll help pull you out of a very tight hairpin. But it, it really doesn't do anything good for the steering feel. It makes the steering feel a lot worse, if you ask me.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  To make it heavier, or is it...

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  Heavier. Heavier and like weirder, like, there's, like, you can, you feel that there's something there. You know, when you're, um, when you're turning it, for instance, when, when parked or whatever. Like, you can just feel that there's a thing up there. And it adds, it adds almost 200 pounds of weight on the front axle.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  And, and also, you know, they'll, they'll say, or people go, well, yeah, but you can drive it all year round. And I lived in a snowy climate for nine years. I love snow driving, but I immediately, I immediately changed pictures, cause I was like, what's the front of this look like? So, look at the front splitter. Driving in the snow, I'd be so worried. I mean, if you go past more than four inches of snow, and if it's any kind of packed whatever, I'd be worried I'm gonna rip the front of this thing off. Granted, it can withstand a lot of, of force because of the downforce it can withstand. But, like, you're just not. You're just not gonna drive this in the winter and worry about hitting a mound of snow or high centering it while you try to like, you know, make a turn onto your, your neighborhood street.

• 50:35Matt Farah?

  One of the most amazing things about this car is when you stop going fast, and you just wanna putter around town and use it as a car, it is such a regular car. And I mean that in a good way. The nose lift is really quick and you can do it with, with the wheel turned. I didn't scrape once. Uh, the camera, the nose camera up front is really good for you to not hit a curb stopper. Um, I don't, I still fucking hate the digital rearview mirror, but the actual backup camera in the rear bumper is very good. Um, you know, the, thank God, you know, you lose the front trunk with the ZR1, cause it's a pass-through radiator there now, not just the X, the regular ZR1.

• 51:20Matt Farah?

  Um, but it's still got the back trunk. I put my golf clubs in it. Like, it's still got all of this crazy shit, 1,200 horsepower, you know, a 230 something mile an hour car? You can still get golf clubs in the back of it. So like, that's pretty awesome, actually. Um, top, you know, still take the top off and go in the trunk. Um, I would personally skip the carbon wheels. These, even these seats, look, these seats are, are leather and cloth.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I like that.

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  They've got a cloth vibe, heated, heated and cooled seats.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Very bolstered on the side, that looks nice.

• 51:56Matt Farah?

  Um, I, I don't like the square steering wheel still.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  You know, and every Corvette, you can even see it in this fucking photo, every Corvette C8, the dashboard reflects in the windshield like crazy. Do not even think about ordering a C8 that doesn't have a black dashboard. Or dark, or dark brown.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:18Matt Farah?

  White, remember the white? Remember when I had that white convertible Corvette?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can see it in everything, yeah.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  All you see is dashboard in the windshield.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  And it really intrudes on your ability to see what's happening in front of you. It really, really does.

• 52:31Matt Farah?

  It's crazy. So you gotta get a, a dark dashboard in your, in your C8s. But like, driving this, you go, the only reason I would ever consider spending, you, you can't consider a hypercar unless it's just about the badge.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 52:50Matt Farah?

  Because this is it. Like, this, this is it. Especially compared to Ferrari, which isn't doing carbon tubs. If you wanna talk about what's the difference, you know, where does the line draw to a hypercar? Like, you gotta have a carbon tub.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  Gotta have it. And this, this doesn't have it. But also, this starts as a $70,000 fucking rental car, you know?

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Right, well, and that, good point, because one of our chat brought it up, one of our Patreon supporters.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  You know, they make so many of the Corvettes a year. So this, to the untrained eye, would look like someone bought a regular C8 and threw a huge wing on the back.

• 53:23Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Now, it isn't if you know, you know thing. And I think what is so great about Corvette is if you, if you drive this car and you close your eyes, you just, you could feel like you're in a Koenigsegg. Like you're hearing the sounds, the shifting, it's all thought through. But Corvette is, and GM are so good at the livability, drivability, right? Like you just get in, it just works, the computers work because they have all that R and D they can pull from their passenger car vision. And they go, well, let's make these things work as well as, you know, the stuff in our Blazer. But they also can do the theater really well.

• 53:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And it's so, to go back to the point about weather and why you shouldn't get an X even for weather. The low throttle modulation of this car, the puttering around town. It's, with all this horsepower, it, it doesn't shove it in your face if you don't ask. Like I was starting to say, the difference between half throttle and full throttle. You, I could go up from here to like Good Vibes and scare the fuck out of somebody at half throttle. The difference between half and full, though, is wild. But the difference between, you know, 10%, 20%, whatever. It's easy to just putter around and drive it like a regular car.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  And I, you know, Hannah, I, I got on a fucking freeway and I gave it like two thirds throttle in third gear for about two seconds. Hannah about shat her pants and insisted I never do that again. And I drove her around the next, the whole rest of the week and it was fine. And so the ability to do those things.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Whereas Tim Rario, you said, was a little touchy, right?

• 55:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, little bit. And also never really seemed to be in the right mode. And you had to do a lot to like put the engine in the mode where it would stay on all the time, but then knock the shocks back because it was all connected. This has the, my, Tim Rario also didn't have an individual mode. This has your, the, the individual mode so you can just leave it at that. And it stays in that mode through drive cycles, short term. Like it, it won't stay overnight, but if you get back in the car in 10 minutes after running errands, it'll stay in that mode. Which actually I think is quite smart.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, I mean, I would skip, I would skip the X, but the, the, the regular ZR1 is on the road fundamentally just as fast as this. These things are fucking psychotic, how fast they are.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  It's, it's unbelievable, but with the aero and with the brakes, they're also incredibly stable and sharp and balanced. And very easy to drive. But man, don't even think about one unless you really know what you're doing. Because the crash you have will not happen at 30 or 40 miles an hour. The crash you have will happen at 150 miles an hour.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, let's, this is a little bit speculative, but like if you go half throttle in this car, let's just say that you're getting the acceleration and pace of a car with half the horsepower, 600. So now imagine, imagine, you know, you're talking to a customer, you're like, would you get in this car, go on the crest and go full throttle?

• 56:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  In this area and you're like, no, are you crazy? That's too much power and throttle for that. Like that's what half is in this. So you just have to like totally recalibrate your thinking and really watch the numbers, almost like an EV. Because it's probably just loud all the time, but the pace at which the numbers increase is wild.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  You really can't believe the, the, the, the speed at which the numbers go up. And how quickly the road in front of you is not there anymore. My, my, you know, my neighbor's SEMA Dave. I call my neighbor SEMA Dave because he stages his cars in his driveway like they're at the SEMA show. And they're all like, kind of modified and customized, you know, he's a character, this motherfucker. He has a C8 Z06. And his garage points at my house so I can hear him start it every fucking morning. And he saw this in the driveway and he goes, bro, you gotta take me out.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 57:24Matt Farah?

  You gotta take me out. And he, he's dailying a C, a Z06, okay? I took him out and he did one of, he did this, you know, when you hit it, he did one of them. Where he grabs both fucking, both sides.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  And he goes, you gotta be fucking shitting me, dude. And I was like, you see?

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Twice the power, dude.

• 57:41Matt Farah?

  And he's like, that's, that's just crazy, you know? And he's, he's dailying the, the slower one.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  But it's a factor of two. You know, this isn't, this isn't a stage two tune where you've gained 40 to 100 horsepower. Like what, or even 200 on a car that's like really undertuned. This is double.

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and, and it's, uh, it's also just so mild mannered and, and usable as a fucking car. Like even.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  So let's play this game. If you, you Farah are going to spend $280.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  On a car.

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Would you buy this? Would you buy a GT3 Touring?

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's a tough, that's tough.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you could get, or you could get a very optioned, almost exclusive manufacturer turbo for that money.

• 58:35Matt Farah?

  This is my only car?

• 58:37Speaker 01

  No, your, your intent is to buy a do many things weekend, super sports car.

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  A do many things weekend car.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, because an I-11, you can drive across country, this you can drive across country.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  So my very specific reason for not buying a Corvette Z06 or ZR1 is that I could really use like an inch and a half to two inches more legroom. Like it's, I can drive one for a couple of days, but my hips get really tight. And in some other cars, including my Spyder, including, that doesn't happen. It's just a little bit of extra legroom. Corvettes used to be the official car of the tall guy. And that's not the case anymore, now that they're mid-engines. But, but if I was 5'10", it would be a very tough argument to not get a Corvette ZR1.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  Especially if you can get one in a year with 6,000 miles on it, that's two thirds price. That's the fucking.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Right, for under 200.

• 59:41Matt Farah?

  That is the tittays. You, I mean, because I don't want to say you never, like, because if you, unless you're really buying proper hypercars, this is as close as it gets. This is it. This is like, you want to know what it's like to fucking rip a Valhalla? Like this is pretty goddamn close, to be honest with you.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  It's like finding a coupon, it's like private jet across the country, 92% off or something like that.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, Corvette always democratizes the best of what's going on in Europe. And they never find a way to engineer the ultimate beauty or the ultimate feel, but they never miss on speed. And so, you know, the Z06 was the best of what, of what Europe left behind with the 458 Special. The ZR1 was the, the best, was sort of mimicking what the Pista and the 750S are, are, are doing. And then this is sort of mimicking your, your hypercar model. Now, because it doesn't have the two motors, it doesn't get all the way there, it doesn't have the magical steering, which is why I think you should not get that system.

• 1:00:47Matt Farah?

  Because the engine itself is such a fucking lunatic. Who's that not enough for?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  You know, like, I don't know. So Johnny came to the same conclusion as well. And I think a lot of people that, that have driven both will go, yeah, you don't need. And in fact, Jethro's column for, I think, Top Gear this month is about this car. And it's called like, can we just fucking stop or something?

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  That's a great point, yeah. Yeah, we're at the ceiling, I think.

• 1:01:15Matt Farah?

  It's, it's so, so fast. And I said this about, you know, unlike, you know, the, the 750, it's got all this power and it gets like wheel spin at like 90, which I kind of like. I like, you know, riding the bull. This one doesn't do that. You know, this fucking puts her down. You know, the E-motors in the, in the X quit about the time the traction is not a problem anymore. They, they go up to about 80. So when you, when you drop the hammer in third, it hooks. It's not wheel spinning at 80. So it's not dramatic in that way. It's not riding the bull, but it's like, mother of God. How fast did I, what, what was that speed I just saw on the dash?

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, if I told you some of these numbers, you wouldn't believe me. It's crazy.

• 1:02:07Matt Farah?

  And yeah, you walk in, you can fucking lease one of these things, just anybody. Like, if, man, it's that, the legroom thing on this one, because I drove the car a lot, it kinda got me. My hips get real tight. You gotta, you gotta fit check that one. It's a bummer. Because otherwise, like-

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Especially when a car is otherwise as usable for long distance driving. I mean, miles per gallon aside, like, Corvettes are great grand touring cars. But if you don't fit, you don't fit.

• 1:02:36Matt Farah?

  This car was okay on fuel if you weren't in it. If you're puttering around, it was fine. I mean, I mean, it probably wasn't over like 22 or something like that. It was, I, I didn't check, but like, it wasn't going through gas that badly when you were just like cruising around. When you were on it, I mean, I drove, I filled up at the base of Big Tahunga.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Because 19 highway, 14 combined.

• 1:03:00Matt Farah?

  I believe that.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's got 1,200 horsepower. Of course, I was not expecting, you know, 20s for city.

• 1:03:06Matt Farah?

  I, I went up, we went up, I did the loop, you know, up Big Tahunga, up to, to Newcombs, down Angeles Forest, back to the top, you know, past European car corner, down. That was three quarters of a tank of gas.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I believe that, sure.

• 1:03:25Matt Farah?

  That was, you're going through it at that, at that speed. But what a fucking thing. I just, I mean, and you, you know what, I, I, I think I started this, but what's funny is you get no respect. Like, if, if you know, you know. People know it's a ZR1X, they go, okay. But almost everybody else, from below and above. Above, the exotic guys, oh, you're in a, it's a Corvette. Doesn't matter how fucking fast it is.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  As our friend said at dinner-

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, did I say that on the show?

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no, and I'm not gonna do the accent, but you know what, yeah. Some people truly believe that they should drive something more expensive than a Corvette.

• 1:04:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A friend of ours who's rich, but not that rich, said he tried the new Corvette and it made him feel poor, which was, I thought was hysterical, actually. So you get no respect from above, and you really get no respect from below. And by that, I mean, nobody lets you merge. They see this Corvette with a fucking big wing on it, and they're like, fuck this guy. No respect at all.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  I wonder if that is the effect of like, the eBay parts supply, meaning, people that tend to have cars with this much carbon wing on it, like, if they add it on there, a lot of times they drive like assholes in town. You know, I mean, if you see a C6 with a huge wing like this, unless it's headed to a track, I feel like the people that go to a track day are usually more respectful, but if they're just rocking around town with this giant wing, they drive like shit.

• 1:04:56Matt Farah?

  Sure. When I'm driving supercars in town, in general, I'm pretty respectful of my neighbors. I, I drive pretty circumstantially.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is the APC problem. That's what this is.

• 1:05:07Matt Farah?

  The people like, the people that like, in sports cars, is like, the people that like, fly by my house, where I'm like outside in the, you know, my garage, my gym is the garage, and so I'm outside working out, and someone flies by my house doing like 80 miles an hour, like, that's not a Porsche, that's a fucking like 2001 Acura TSX. You know, with eight dents in it, fucking almost hitting like nine parked cars. Speaking of almost hitting a bunch of parked cars, before we get to questions, I had one of the most egregiously bad, not egregiously, to maybe, the worst driving I've ever experienced

• 1:05:51Matt Farah?

  by a Waymo happened the other day. And basically, it, it did a bunch of things that I would consider to be pretty dangerous. It, it, we were going straight on a road that was two, two lanes each way, with a center turn lane each way, and a, a right turn lane, okay? We, we needed to go straight. The Waymo juke right, passed all the traffic, timed the light right as it turned green, and juke back around the cars

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  with about 50 yards to clear a row of parked cars.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  This is what I call the Model 3 move.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  It, it, that is 100% the move you see Tesla Model 3s doing all the time.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  And I'll say, the drivers, not the programming, but in town, people do this all the time. They cut the line in, in Los Angeles. Wow.

• 1:06:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it did, now, I don't have a way of, it's possible, unlikely, but possible. Because we needed to go straight. It's possible the Waymo was gonna make the right, and then changed its mind, but that ain't what happened to me. There was no blinker.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:11Matt Farah?

  There was no slowing down for the right corner.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  But it also, I would have expected the Waymo to signal and then wait an hour for other cars that go by. But it went for it.

• 1:07:21Matt Farah?

  So, in my opinion, so, not in my opinion, excuse me, wrong word, in my experience so far, and a lot, I've been in a lot of Waymos, they're, they're very passive. This Waymo was not. This one was programmed to be a dickbag. And it, it is, in the same ride, it made a couple more like moves that were uncomfortably aggressive to me as a passenger. And then it also, when I went to go to my destination, which was a little shop in, down by the airport, I was picking up a customer's car.

• 1:08:04Matt Farah?

  It, it goes looking for a parking space on the right. Now, there are a row of parallel parking spaces there with meters, and there are no cars parked at any of them. It's an open block. It, it pulls over, but then keeps going, and tries to pull, and it, and it, and it just goes looking for a place to park. It then circles the block, look, looking for a place to park, gets to the row again, tries again, passes it again, and is about to circle the, the block, look for a second time, at which point I open the door, and it just goes like, pulls over, and it goes, close your door, and I just get out. So-

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Was, uh, was that, was that street, like, closed for street cleaning? Was it one of those things? I was wondering if it read, you know, if it knew-

• 1:08:54Matt Farah?

  If it was alternate side parking for street cleaning, like-

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Like, they didn't know that? I don't know.

• 1:08:59Matt Farah?

  I mean, if it did, it must know you're just dropping someone off there for 30 seconds and leaving.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Maybe, but I'm just like, why would it drive past an empty street twice unless it goes, I'm sure, I'd, I'm sure it has, it'd be such an easy thing to have the data in the city of like, when do they clean what streets? And have that programming, but, uh-

• 1:09:19Matt Farah?

  It's possible.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  But let's, let's go back to the aggression thing, because I'm wondering, so you probably read these stories a couple weeks ago, I think it was open, like, one of the AI companies discovered that their AI that was supposed to be sequestered and off of the internet.

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  Love where this is going.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  This AI was, was internal, and it was not connected to the internet. They discovered that it was able to connect to other computers in the system that were connected to the internet, and was able to get messages out, and like, it was leaving, uh, I believe it was leaving Easter eggs for other AI to find on how to circumvent security systems. Like, it was really gnarly. But, I want, do you think the, you think this Waymo is Neo or Agent Smith? Like, it's, it's watching-

• 1:10:08Matt Farah?

  It's skynetted.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Is it watching how Model 3s drive in town? And it's going, oh, I'm learning how you can drive in LA to get somewhere quicker? And now it's, it is absorbing that knowledge and turning itself into a dickbag?

• 1:10:23Matt Farah?

  If that was the case, if it was trying to get places quicker, there's better ways to do it. For instance, right now, it still takes the quote "safer route" to leave my neighborhood, even though it requires it to go, requires me to go the wrong direction-

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, left then right.

• 1:10:41Matt Farah?

  To go, to go the other way, right? So, if it, if it was programmed to choose the fastest route instead of the safest route, it wouldn't do that. I don't know why the fuck it did this crazy dive bomb move. But I was absolutely shocked that a computer program was programmed to do that. Like, and it really shouldn't be. Like, that's, we can't have that. Like, it, you know what it does, is it goes against, I mean, shocker, the people developing this shit are fucking hypocrites, but it goes against their sort of like school of fish safety, you know, if traffic were just like a school of autonomous fish,

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  it would move better, and it would be safer. But like, actually, if, if we're in a transitionary quote period of human-driven cars and some computer-driven cars, and the computer cars start using AI in order to drive like fucking dickbags, like, actually, we have a huge problem here.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  And then they start teaching each other how to drive.

• 1:11:48Matt Farah?

  And then you end up with the movie. What was the, what was the horror movie from like two years ago?

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Which one? Terminator 2?

• 1:11:56Matt Farah?

  Well, pick yours. No, there was one where literally, the Teslas became sort of sentient, and like, created, uh-

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Oh, didn't they do that in Fast 7? Oh no, she controlled it.

• 1:12:07Matt Farah?

  No, it was in, uh, there was a movie recently that's sort of an end of the world type movie, and as these people are escaping, like, all the Teslas try to like murder them. Uh, it was, it was in a, a recent film, and I'm blanking on what it was.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Leave the world behind.

• 1:12:25Matt Farah?

  That's it, yep.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:12:27Matt Farah?

  Fucking.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Oh, that was a good movie.

• 1:12:28Matt Farah?

  It was a good movie.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Julia Roberts and, yeah, I forget. And, oh yeah, all the Teslas just drive down the highway and then hit each other, like just crash.

• 1:12:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  You just elbow it. That's a good movie.

• 1:12:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, we're gonna go to the people, uh, real quick. Before we do, um, come drive with me. If you would like to come drive with me this October, we have a really good one. Uh, check experiences dot road and track dot com. The Hudson Quattro Cento is back. New York, Connecticut, Hudson Valley, leaf peeping. All that good shit, dude. I love this one. This is a great event. It's absolutely staggeringly beautiful. We have some really cool, um, Hudson Valley hotels and Connecticut hotels that we're staying in. All the hotels are like really neat on this one. We got some great food. We got a track day at Lime Rock, which is such a classic, uh, and beautiful place, uh, to do a track day.

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  We've got, um, legendary racing driver special guests and, uh, me, I made the route and I'm leading the route. I've, I've, uh, secured the Shelby, uh, dark, excuse me, whoa, they're not gonna like that. The Ford Mustang, uh, Dark Horse SC, uh, to drive for this event. And Big Raj may or may not be attending. Um, so you can go to experiences dot road and track dot com and sign up. There's a few spots left on this one. It is going to be sell, sold out. It always is. Um, but it should be an absolutely beautiful trip. Um, and actually scroll down on there's that, cause we have announced finally our first ever Southern California event, uh, February 23rd to 26th.

• 1:14:05Matt Farah?

  It's Palm Springs. It's Joshua Tree. It's the High Desert down to, um, Temecula, over the mountains, wine country. So it is, uh, it's gonna be a really, really good one. Um, I'm not sure which racetrack we have secured yet. They were negotiating with both tracks in that area. So I don't know if it's Thermal or Chuck Walla. Frankly, it doesn't really matter. Um, but we've got racetrack time. We've got a, a banger of a route. And, um, it's gonna be, and of course it's Palm Springs and Temecula. The hotels are gonna be really nice.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Um, and it's Southern California. We've never actually, believe it or not, never done one in Southern California. Now we're finally gonna do it.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Very cool.

• 1:14:52Matt Farah?

  And we're announcing, is there another one? Have they announced the next one yet? Uh, that one, the Germany thing, I'm not on the Germany thing. Um, but it's a track day at the Nürburgring and at Spa. My boss, Dan Pund, is going on that. Shocking. I did not get the invite on that one. I think Jethro might be going on that one as well. And we have another event, um, to it, I will announce probably soon. It's going to be in the Northeast. It's going to be in the springtime and it's going to also be very beautiful.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:15:23Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, experiences dot road and track dot com. If you would like to come for a three or four day road trip with me. Um, and I don't like disappear. I hang out. We can get fucking shitty at the bar. That's like the bonus. That's what you're paying for. Uh, I'm buying. Actually, Hearst is.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  I was gonna say.

• 1:15:41Matt Farah?

  Hearst is buying. You know, whatever. Um, patreon dot com slash the smoking tire podcast. If you would like to ask us questions for the live show, uh, and then watch the live show as well as get the show early. Get extra show, which by the way, we know we owe you extra show. Zach's back surgery, uh, messed up our schedule for extra show. In August, you will be getting two pro shows this month. We have not forgotten. Um, stupid spines, am I right?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:12Matt Farah?

  You, you should have to work on the day you have surgery. Just kidding. You should.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  I mean, I did do two other edits during the week, but that's cause I could lay down.

• 1:16:21Matt Farah?

  You did do edits.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  I just couldn't sit here for a show.

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  I didn't even really ask you to.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:16:26Matt Farah?

  I, I, I was like, you sure? You wanna fucking do that? And you're like, I need to do something here.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  So anyway, we appreciate you doing it, but patreon dot com slash the smoking tire podcast, how you, you support your favorite car podcast and get a whole bunch of other shit too. That's the point. Waymo hand jobs by women I hardly know. I love a crazy people reference and thank you for including one. Everyone else, if you've never seen the movie Crazy People, it is a secret gearhead movie and it's absolutely worth your time. Waymo hand jobs, uh, followed our guidance and jumped into a Lexus LX 470 for a daily and camping car. Uh, paid 18K. Mainstream consumer insurance was cheap and has a total loss value of $62,000.

• 1:17:14Matt Farah?

  And yes, I have that in writing. So what does that mean? If you total it, you get 62 Gs?

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Is that right? Who, you bought it for 18? How's that possible?

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, listen, I didn't hear nothing about nothing, but my advice would be to do one crime at a time.

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  And collect, do not pass go, but collect 62 Gs. Um, Sig's Inside says, I just won a billion dollars in a Flock camera settlement. Oh, by the way, Flock, everyone knows Flock now. We've been talking about it. Everyone knows about it. There's like three or four other big companies you need to also be familiar with because what they're doing is getting a big splashy headline by going, LA cuts ties with Flock.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, Florida, yeah.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  And then they're not talking about sign, what they signed the deal with the other company that does the same shit or worse and just isn't Flock. Axon is the one you really need to be familiar with, but there's also like three or four other ones. But like, just I'm saying, like, don't harp on Flock as a, uh, it is literally one brand and one product. It's not.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  It's Kleenex, not tissue.

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're, they're saying, they're saying no Kleenex in this business.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  They're not saying we can't have paper tissues to blow your nose with, which is what they really should be saying. Right. Very good. So, sorry. Sig's Inside won a billion dollars and is obsessed with the Louis Vuitton singer. What would be, uh, what, what collab, what cars would be best for a collab for my five favorite brands? I love this. Affliction, Reebok, Kirkland, Balenciaga and Whataburger.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Um, well, Balenciaga would have to be like, is it Play School? What's the, the company that makes like the little?

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  Shoes?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  No, like little kids cars because of their.

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, the little tykes. Yeah.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Cause of their very terrible, controversial, remember like three years ago, three years ago, Balenciaga like came out with a catalog and it was like bondage stuff, gear for kids.

• 1:19:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, I don't.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Absolutely fucked. And I can't believe that business is still open.

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  And it was creepy as all hell.

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  Kanye collection?

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  It was, it was more like the Epstein collection. It was very weird. So that's my recommendation for that one.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, Affliction is the electric Hummer. It's gotta be, right?

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:19:32Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but with graphics on the side of electricity.

• 1:19:35Matt Farah?

  Uh-huh. Um, Reebok.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Are they still around?

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:40Matt Farah?

  Think, yeah, as far as I know. Um, Reebok. I, when I think Reebok though, I think like nine, the pumps, like 92, you know, the original Reebok pumps.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  Wow, now they have a lot of like Onitsuka Tiger looking driving shoe things.

• 1:19:56Matt Farah?

  Huh, okay.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. They've, they've just, they looked at Adidas and they looked at Onitsuka and Asics and they're like, let's make that.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  Reebok also, um, white labels shoes for a lot of like fashion brands. Like they make a lot of, yeah. When my dad was at Polo, they made some of Polo shoe, Polo sneakers. It's not that weird.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Okay. So are they Kirkland? And then we need something else for Kirkland?

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  Reebok is the Kirkland of shoes, basically. Um, Whataburger, I'm not sure I can, I mean, I can, uh, I mean, they have the Mercies with the, with the McDonald's logos, but that's a different brand. I don't know. I'm not sure I can picture Whataburger in the same way.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  It's just a fast food burger.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, Nissan?

• 1:20:43Matt Farah?

  Whataburger, like.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  Is it just the Nissan?

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  Nissan Armada. Something about a Nissan Armada tells me it's like the perfect vehicle to take through the drive through.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Right? Cause you're, you're probably wasted. You've rented it, you know, like you're, you're in a.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  You can drop fries.

• 1:21:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're like in a place you're not so familiar with, you know, and you just leave a late night snack in your rental, in your rental vehicle.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you lose some ketchup packets under the seat, but you don't really care.

• 1:21:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's kinda funny. John Athan Davis, that's the Philly pronunciation of John. Uh, in the process of booking a trip to Spain, spending five days in Tenerife, that ain't Spain, Habibi, but just so you know. Thinking about renting the T-Rock cab. That's, remember I showed you that thing? Yeah. Uh, is this a good idea or should I go smaller like a Mini Cooper four? Um, dude, uh,

• 1:21:38Matt Farah?

  Well, I do recommend renting a T-Rock cab in Tenerife. I don't think it's, uh, it's too big or too small for the island. I think it's, I think it's fine. The weather is great there. You will want to have a convertible. You will want to sightsee. Um, and the idea of driving something weird and unique as a rental car

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:56Matt Farah?

  is excellent. Uh, I support that. Um, mainland suggestions? No, I don't have any mainland suggestions. Just eat good food, drink good wine, go to the, whatever cities you're in. Find the central market, the big market. Just eat a bunch of shit. Um, don't be skirted. Yeah, I mean, it's a big country, but, um, try whatever regional deliciousness they've got. Carbon monocoque and ball torture. What other cars would you like to see with a Plymouth Prowler human centipede style trailer? We saw a bunch of these at Dream Cruise.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Well, we saw a lot, at Dream Cruise, we saw a lot of people with miniature cars on trailers. Remember that? Those were weird.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  But then I also saw a bunch of trailers made of the back halves of cars that they, that were being towed. So I saw like a Mustang's back half being towed by a Mustang.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  I think it's very much a hot rod thing. Like I feel like it came out of the hot rod, you know, Hot like a Snipes kind of culture.

• 1:22:52Matt Farah?

  Right. Uh. What other car? What, what, like a Corv, a C8 Corvette, cause it's got a trunk already.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  That, I think, uh, DeLorean, I think would look cool. A brushed aluminum trailer with the back half of it and it would kind of connect the lines a bit.

• 1:23:07Matt Farah?

  You can make a Chevy SSR look pretty cool if it had,

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  you know, uh, uh, effectively, it would be almost like a gardening trailer, but be shaped like the back half of the car.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Exactly like that.

• 1:23:19Matt Farah?

  It would look right. It would look right.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  It would look right. That's true. There's, there's interesting and there's right. I feel like the Prowler, it's just two curved shapes. It looks kind of fun and, uh, vintage. Hmm. Yeah.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, Stromspeed says, I have my name in for a slate truck. Given its price point, will there be EV drivetrain aftermarket options to make it go faster? Uh, or is this too much of a design challenge, given the battery size? Looking forward to making it more zippy in city traffic. I wouldn't fuck with this at all.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  I wouldn't. You'll lose your warranty immediately. You might break other things. It also, will this happen? Probably eventually, but not in the short term. I mean, the, the trucks are barely out yet. So no one, no one, you gotta figure out how to, how to bolt a new motor that can take the battery. The computer has to talk to it, all that stuff. Will the motor fit? Does it damage other things? Like, this is not a good idea. Just, if you want a quicker EV truck,

• 1:24:17Matt Farah?

  Just get one.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Get an F-150, get a used, uh, F-150 Lightning or, I don't know, get, just get like a Maverick Hybrid.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, I, I don't really see the, the real value in this. It's not, it's not, they're not that, I mean, they're not that slow, right? I mean, they're slow, but they're not like.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Zero to sixty is eight seconds. That's like pre-a speed.

• 1:24:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not that slow. That's not, that is not worth your time.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think if these trucks are around for a long time, you could see the market respond to this and go, all right, we'll sell you a motor for less. It works, but this will take a lot of time.

• 1:24:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, at a certain point, buy a used Rivian. You know, like a, a used, like two motor Rivian is gonna be forty-five grand or something.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  That is double the price of a slate truck, though.

• 1:25:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but, yeah, but it'll, but it, it offers a lot more.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:25:13Matt Farah?

  And it's already depreciated. And if you want to go fast, at least this is a thing that you know works.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  And I think this person says they want to make it zippy in traffic. It will feel zippy because it's an EV. Now, up to sixty, it'll feel slow, but from like zero to thirty-eight, Yeah. it'll probably feel pretty quick.

• 1:25:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, straight pipes, wait, straight.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  Straight five stock scenario. Tribe Called Quest.

• 1:25:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, sorry. I, um, I'm not that familiar, I mean,

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  I'm generally familiar with a Tribe Called Quest, but not in the nuances.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  You on point tip? All the time, five.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  Duh.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  This is you talking to me about Pearl Jam.

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  About Pearl Jam, sure.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  And I just play a song in my head, yeah.

• 1:25:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, watch question. I bought a twenty-year-old Omega Aqua Terra that I plan to use as an everyday watch. I don't want to intentionally trash it, but I also want it to look more used at some point. In your experience, how long does that take? And what have been some of your best experiences getting a watch to look like you actually use it rather than being more of a showpiece? Uh, that's a very good question. Um, and it depends on what your everyday life looks like. It also, um, depends on, you know, it's twenty years old when you bought it. I assume it looks very nice, you know? How long does it take? A couple of years of wearing it just like every day, just around.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  You, you'd be surprised, like tables, uh, you, you know, the dishes, um, working around the house. Like you get scratched up a little bit on the edge of your laptop. Um, just, it, it will develop that patina. Um, it will, you'll notice it after about a year of wearing it every day. Yeah. Cause like the watch I got for my wedding, which was six, seven years, seven years ago, has not been my everyday watch, but it's in a lot of the time watch and I don't treat it particularly nicely. And it has lots of signs of wear on it. So it won't take that long. Yeah, year or two of every day and you'll get there.

• 1:27:20Matt Farah?

  TST giving Christian James hand jobs.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  Great one.

• 1:27:23Matt Farah?

  Yep. Uh, my dad gave me a Lightmare O1, the One Watch. That is a weird looking name. And the silicone strap disintegrated. Uh, any ideas for a strap replacement, given the weird case shape? Uh, I think the company's out of business. Tough shit. That is a unique strap for that unique case. Your best bet is to go on eBay or something and look for, look for OEM straps. Um, but, I mean, that's.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Is there something where?

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  That's not a universal strap, though.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, cause it's got this crazy bend to it, right?

• 1:28:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  So you have to look, I wonder if, maybe you can find something that kind of fits? This feels like a, a job for a forum or Reddit where they'll go, the curve of this, what are the little posts that, Yeah. the springs, like the spring bars, like the curve of this one from this other company will kind of fit this radius.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  The problem with these is it has to fit flush, otherwise it looks kind of stupid. So you might be able to get away with, if it has regular spring bars, ditching the rubber strap entirely and getting something that's like a canvas or a NATO that just sort of works. On the other hand, it's such a unique shape that no aftermarket rubber will actually fit this fucking thing. So, oh, look, there, top right, there's one with a bracelet. So, uh, my.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  But they're all, these all look different, like.

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know what these are, but my, my guess would be you gotta go on eBay and try to find a, a used, a used strap or a, a new old stock strap or,

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Matt Farah?

  that's tough. Weird watch, though.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  It's kind of cool.

• 1:29:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, P Car Photos, do we sell still ammo products at WCCS? Yes, we do. Which location and when would be the best time to stop by? Both, and anytime during business hours, which are posted on our Google Maps, um, listings. Come on by, we have the full line of ammo products here. We're the only place in America I think that you can buy it in person at WCCS. Um, Johnny E.V. Germain took Zach's advice and bought the old Sequoia. Uh, however, the one I found was a desert car, so the white paint is super phased. On a twenty-year-old utility car, is it worth trying to restore and polish it? Or should I give it a clay bar and leave it alone? If it's a utility car, fucking leave it alone.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Matt Farah?

  I think there's something to be, I think there's something very nice about having a utility vehicle that doesn't look that nice.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Especially if, like if you redo the interior or at least upfit it and take care of it and like the running gear's all awesome. I think for, with a truck like a Sequoia, uh, just having, having wear on the outside, but you know the thing works all the time, the inside's comfortable. Like, I'd rather spend the money on gadgets and off-road gear than on making the outside look a couple of years newer.

• 1:30:15Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Uh, GR8675309, pretty good.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  That one's good.

• 1:30:22Matt Farah?

  A friend of mine turned me on to the Mito Ocean Star with the Batman bezel. And I've been thinking about it. What do you know about the brand and would you buy their products? You want to get a picture of that?

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:30:32Matt Farah?

  I see these a lot, um, sort of an entry level, uh, diver. Not a, well, not fully entry level. They're about a thousand bucks. Uh, good brand, long history. Um, I, I haven't had any experience holding one of these things in my hand. Um, but just looking at, at this Ocean Star with the black and blue. I, I like the dial. I think it's funky. I like the, uh, size and length of the hands. It's, it's quite legible. Um, I, I like the blue to black fade. I think that's pretty cool. Um, but I've never held one in my hand, so I couldn't really tell you, um, how they feel.

• 1:31:15Matt Farah?

  I don't like that, that light colored dial. That's kind of wonky. I don't really love that. But, but, uh, yeah, no, I mean, look for the price point. That's what, that's what we're selling the Notice Canyons for, or we were. So, um, uh, I haven't, I haven't heard any horror stories. I, I probably wouldn't buy one, um, because I make a watch that's the same price, but, uh,

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Been around for over a hundred years.

• 1:31:39Matt Farah?

  They have. They've been around for a long time. Yes. So, um, I, I haven't heard any bad things. Uh, Yamaha BB, do you consider the Project Midnight from VSC no longer a Subaru WRX? And what, what point do you consider a build to no longer be of the original manufacturer? Well, look, I love Revology Mustangs, but I call, I consider them replicas. I mean, I really don't, you know, they may do some funny dance with a VIN number or something, but, but those to me aren't actual Mustangs, which is fine. Doesn't mean they're bad. I mean, actually they're good.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  This is a race car, like this, right? I mean, I think this is the car that, uh, what's his name? He, uh, just got driven to a new record at the,

• 1:32:24Matt Farah?

  This says Scott Speed on it.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Scott Speed did it. Um, and I think for Stron- Stronering last year, I don't know. It's a fucking race car. Like it's a record-setting, you know, tarmac rally, like Group B style race car.

• 1:32:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, at what point is it no longer a car? I, I, did they start with a, a stock car and modify it to become this? Or did they start with a tube frame? Like that to me is, is that's usually the line.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:32:51Matt Farah?

  Is this a, did this car come off the line and was then modified to be a race car by whatever performance shop? Or is this a tube frame or carbon chassis car that just kind of looks like, you know? Like the, um,

• 1:33:09Matt Farah?

  there have been some cars, uh, that are built, like, like some Grand Am cars and, um, you know, what, um, IMSA, some IMSA cars that, that vaguely resemble, you know, the street cars that they're supposed to be. But they're like built by like Riley or Pratt and Miller or whatever, and they're, you know, or DeLara. And they're like fully tube frame cars underneath with just the sort of body.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  I think what I'm reading quickly is it, it did start as a WRX. It's got full tube frame, front and rear, uh, subframes. And then obviously like the super cage, they lightened it, it's carbon fiber body. So, you know, there is a, uh, WRX cell or unibody, some of it left there. And so then this would be the question, like when you watch WRC, those cars are, you know, they're Hyundai I20s or they're Golfs or whatever. They look enough like the cars that we call them those, even though they are purpose-built race cars. So I guess it's, if it started with a unibody of WRX, it's still a WRX, but it's just a race car.

• 1:34:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I care more when it's the kind of thing that you're selling to people for purposes of registration and/or enjoyment on the road. When it's Vermont Sports Car, um, and by the way, until you pulled up the website, I didn't actually put together that VSC was Vermont Sports Car. I just had never thought of that before. But like, when it's a company that builds rally cars, building a rally car from a road car, I care about less that, less about that distinction than I do about whether or not, again, to go back to it, Revologies are or are not real Mustangs.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Matt Farah?

  You know, or, um, the, the Borum Motorworks or any of that kind of stuff. Um, Listen and Sometimes Watch, how's your back? You okay?

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:58Matt Farah?

  Okay. Listen and Sometimes Watch says, uh, 65 Gs to spend on a special car. What are you gonna buy? All manual transmission, R8 V8, Aston Vantage, 997S, 981 Cayman, something else. I mean,

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  Aston Vantage, I think. I actually, I haven't driven one in a long time. The R8 V8 is amazing, but the steering leaves a little bit and the seating position leaves a little bit. But it's like 85% of the way there. I think the Aston is just slightly better in those arenas and therefore, and also looks amazing and sounds great.

• 1:35:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, uh, I would probably, 65K will get you a great 997S. That's probably what I would look for. I might look for a 997 Targa, uh, at that, at that money. Um, but that's probably what I would get. The Vantage 4.7 is a fabulous car.

• 1:35:55Matt Farah?

  65, there's, there's, I mean, look, that gets you a lot of Corvette. If you wanted a Corvette, that gets you a lot of Viper. It gets you a huge amount of classic muscle car. It gets you a huge, a, a really good amount of Nissan Skyline GT-R. Uh, maybe not a 33, but a great 32, um, for 65 grand.

• 1:36:21Matt Farah?

  There's a lot of really interesting stuff you could buy for that kind of money that isn't immediately obvious. Um, also like a bunch of like depreciating stuff. Like it'll get you the world's nicest E92 M3 manual, manual transmission, like from EAG.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:38Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  You could get a whole lot of them too.

• 1:36:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Speaking of old Mustangs, Batim put his, uh, fastback up for sale and it was a no sale at 52. Cars and bids, yeah.

• 1:36:50Matt Farah?

  The car I, um,

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Think's awesome.

• 1:36:52Matt Farah?

  Remember the car from Indy that I, that they, they, the saline that they, they wanted 135? And I offered him 100 and they said, no, thank you. And they put it on bat and it stalled at 57. And I was like, I, I bid, I bid like 52. I was like, fuck it, I'll bid, you know, whatever. It stalled at 57. They emailed me yesterday, like, would you do it at 90? I was like, I don't think so.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  I don't think so. Yeah. The market is clearly, wow, you kind of got lucky there.

• 1:37:18Matt Farah?

  I skated on that one. Yeah, I skated on that one.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:21Matt Farah?

  I can go, I should write him back and go, 68.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  It depends on what it's worth to you, because you have to fix it, right? You gotta do some,

• 1:37:27Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  No? It's good?

• 1:37:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, it might need a, it might need a service, um, but no, they, they went through it. I mean, it's, but, uh, I don't, I, no, no, don't need it. Don't need it. Don't know.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  You don't need another car that has to immediately go to get detailed and like,

• 1:37:42Matt Farah?

  Don't know what I would do with it. Get, you know, what I, what I, what I really want is the, the Countach to get done and what I, and then, and then,

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  The Taycan.

• 1:37:50Matt Farah?

  And the Mercedes.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Matt Farah?

  And I, yeah, and of course the Taycan, just so fucking Hannah has a car.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt's the guy stealing your cats. Yo, by the way, we just TNR'd, uh, four trap neuter release down at South Bay.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:38:04Matt Farah?

  Cause there's like a feral kitten colony down there. And they're, they're, you know, breeding. And so we went from like six to like 20 in a year. And so I authorized, uh, funds. So we are making some donations to a local place to trap neuter and release,

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:38:23Matt Farah?

  The cats. You know, they're feral, so they really shouldn't be domesticated. Um, or it would require a lot of work to domesticate them. And so, you know, they've been living, actually we, we feed them. But, uh, yeah, we trapped, trapped neuter at least four, uh, yesterday.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:38:41Matt Farah?

  Um, and we're doing another round, I think this Sunday. Uh, Matt's the guy stealing your cats says, do you ever rely on the red stripe on performance steering wheels? Uh, only when it's a removable steering wheel that you take on and off to get out of the car and then you gotta put it back on. That's the only time I really am using that. Right?

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  I think so. Like once I'm driving, you, I know where, I've gotten used to knowing where up is with wheels that don't have the stripes. I don't really use it.

• 1:39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's not, I, I usually, it's, it's really for when I'm taking the wheel off. It's a nice aesthetic touch, but it doesn't really do anything for me.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  It might help a tiny bit, like if I'm sliding something, but it's, you shouldn't rely on it. So I don't think so.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Try to save a car.

• 1:39:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, Murray, long last name, have either of you tried to save a car before? Uh, I mean, dude, million mile Lexus.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:36Matt Farah?

  I, I spent tens of thousands of dollars ensuring that a Lexus with 900,000 miles made it to 100, they made it to a million miles. And I did. And it's a great story and you can still read it at roadandtrack.com. Yeah. Cayman Cider, best four-door sedan under 70K to make trips from Tucson to Nashville.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Cayman Cider, Jesus, the names are strong today.

• 1:40:02Matt Farah?

  That's a great fucking name. I didn't even think about it until a minute ago. Uh, okay, long highway trips, $70,000.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  I've said it so many times, like the BMW, well, diesel's expensive, so maybe not.

• 1:40:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, diesel's a no-go right now.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  Diesel would have been cool, but I don't know, like Lexus LS, anything Lexus ES, anything.

• 1:40:23Matt Farah?

  Hybrid, we'll, we'll can just, we'll just clock those miles right off, man.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  They work forever. They're great cars. Uh, if you want to make it fun, I mean, you could probably get like a CT4V for that.

• 1:40:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  I mean, the mileage won't be great, but you'll enjoy driving it. It looks cool. It's comfortable.

• 1:40:43Matt Farah?

  You could probably, I mean, if you wanted to go fast, you could probably get an M8 Grand Coupe. Oh. Lightly used,

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  For no money.

• 1:40:50Matt Farah?

  For easy in this budget or a fucking like an Alpina B7.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  That, I do that.

• 1:40:55Matt Farah?

  A 70K Alpina B7 might be where it's at.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause no one wants the Grand Coupe. So you're gonna lose money when you sell it. Alpina would be so dope.

• 1:41:04Matt Farah?

  Alpina would be the shit. That's the move. You gotta cross a continent.

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  E53 AMG would be really good. Yeah.

• 1:41:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Luke Skyhobbler, um,

• 1:41:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:41:23Matt Farah?

  There's only, there's only like two, two possible questions. We're asking, Luke, there's only like two answers to your question. My wife and I want to replace her 08 Civic. We need four doors and a stick. Integra Type S, Civic Type R? Like, yeah, those are the same car. They're just different versions of the same car. There's also the Civic SI, which is a different version of the same car. There's also the WRX, which is a less good version of the same car. There's so little choice in this fucking market now. Can you?

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, uh...

• 1:41:55Matt Farah?

  Can you get a Golf manuals or Golf? No GTI manuals.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Like a used 235 with a manual? Do they make, they don't make a sedan though, right?

• 1:42:04Matt Farah?

  There might be a three series sedan with a stick.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:07Matt Farah?

  You might be able to get a three series sedan.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Like a 328 or something like that.

• 1:42:10Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:42:11Matt Farah?

  But like, that's, I would get the Integra, because it's my favorite one.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  I would too.

• 1:42:16Matt Farah?

  But like, yeah, there's just no, you just have so few options.

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  Or like an Integra, like this, what is it called? Like the Spec A? It's the slow Integra, so you get all the nice things, but it's very slow.

• 1:42:26Matt Farah?

  It's a Civic SI with Integra stuff on it, yeah.

• 1:42:31Matt Farah?

  Okay, wait, lot of words here. Polestar for 1500 an hour. There you go. Lot of words, but here we go. I've driven my 2026 Audi RS3 at the track, and I've discovered that torque rear mode put up faster lap times with RS mode with videos to back it up. Now, torque rear, if you don't know, is pitched as a drift mode, but what it does is it sends the maximum amount of torque possible to the rear wheels, which I've found is really the only way to drive the car if you want to drive it fast. Okay. Polestar 4 found another YouTube channel, said the same thing after doing lap times in the 2026 RS3 versus other cars.

• 1:43:15Matt Farah?

  I found the Audi community has consistently pushed back saying you don't know how to drive, when they haven't tried it themselves or have an older model RS3. Question is, have you encountered the same kind of pushback with a controversial opinion on the drive mode from any of your videos? Well, first off, I back, I've driven the 2026 RS3. I drove it fucking, the one I drove last year. How many thousand miles did I drive that car? Well, I first drove it on a Root Scout, then I drove it on a Rally, then I drove it at Performance Car of the Year. I drove it for like 4,000 miles and two days on the track. Your assessment of that is correct. 100%. That car is better in torque rear mode.

• 1:44:00Matt Farah?

  It's faster, and it drives better, and has better balance in torque rear mode. Okay. Having said that, have we encountered this sort of pushback with an opinion? Yeah, all the time. I don't give a fuck. I couldn't give less of a fuck. I mean, people will tell me that my friends say things that are different to me. I don't give a fuck at all. I mean...

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  Well, and especially in this person's case, this is their experience with video, and the people online could go, well, you're not a great driver. You go, okay, well, this pro had the same experience. That is enough testing to prove the theory of what you're saying. And then if the people still push back, you just, you just have to, you just go, okay. You just let it go and go, okay. Like, because they're not going to convince them.

• 1:44:47Matt Farah?

  You and I have driven cars where we are provably the first person to drive that car.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:44:54Matt Farah?

  Like, provably, no one else has driven this car yet. And we'll say something, and people will go, no. And they go, I know! I can prove that you haven't actually driven this fucking thing. What are you talking about? Like, even if I'm not great at my job, I have 100% more experience in this car than you have.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, the power of preconceived notions and like the weird built-in forum, like, quote, "knowledge" people have, which, you know, just the opinion, the strength of that, is very surprising. And you learn to notice it more, I swear, as you get to be like 33, 38. You go, oh, this is just people embedded in their shit. And you're not going to convince them. So just learn to brush it off.

• 1:45:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I... There are a few people, you know, whose opinions I actually care about, because I know what they can do with a car, and I know their fine level of, of knowledge of chassis dynamics and stuff. And if I ever really have a question of, of what you might call impostor syndrome, where I go, fucking, the car didn't do this for me, you know? Am I fucking up here? You know, what's that about? I mean, clearly, you're finding another YouTube channel. You had those same thoughts. Are these people right? Am I fucking this up? No, no. They're just saying shit, and you're doing shit. So, yeah, totally, totally. That's it.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:46:19Matt Farah?

  That's it. Thanks for good questions today, guys. I appreciate y'all very much. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions and participating in the discourse. Thank you to Zach's surgeon, getting them all fucking fixed up. Uh, thank you to GM and Bentley for having me drive their vehicles. And, um, yeah, if you want to come drive with me at the end of October in New York, all makes and models of cars, welcome. We don't really discriminate, as long as it's a sports car. And, and it's going to be a real good time. So, experiences.rodentrack.com. And, um, we'll see you guys next time. Thanks, bye.