Encounters x354 - Demons, Poltergeists and Dark Attachments

What happens when a spooky game is more than just a game and the thing lurking in the corner isn’t just your imagination? In this Encounters episode, we’re getting up close and personal with the darker side of the paranormal in this Encounters episode, where demons, possessions, poltergeists, and mysterious entities make some seriously unsettling appearances. Stories include: A childhood home becomes increasingly terrifying as a listener’s little brother exhibits disturbing behavior, a priest blesses the house, and a shadowy presence seems to follow the family. A childhood game leads one listener into a strange visualization involving hooded figures, glowing red eyes, and an encounter with a black-cloaked being. A terrifying night alone involves a mysteriously opening garage door, a blaring television, and the sensation of sharp fingers pulling through someone’s hair. A toddler seemingly encounters something sinister at his daycare, leading to a late-night prayer session and an attempted spiritual cleansing. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:52Corinne Vien?

  Are you down with the darkness?

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. Um, I love that. Down with the darkness?

• 2:02Corinne Vien?

  Down with the darkness.

• 2:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Divas down.

• 2:05Corinne Vien?

  And we have appropriate mugs for this, too. Mine is down with my demons.

• 2:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mine is party like it's $16.99.

• 2:13Corinne Vien?

  Slurp slurp.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, you have little hearts on your...

• 2:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I didn't realize you have little hearts.

• 2:19Corinne Vien?

  I really scared Noah last recording. He had a hard time, like a good hour, to warm up to me after seeing me.

• 2:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even after you took the makeup off.

• 2:26Corinne Vien?

  After I took the makeup off, he was really observing my face, super scared. So I had to pivot for the next two episodes to be a little less...

• 2:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Little less clown.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  A little less clown.

• 2:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is just so funny, because Noah has seen you in much more horrifying costumes.

• 2:42Corinne Vien?

  And there's one to come that he has seen me try on, and he wanted to try it on. Somehow, that's not the scary one. It was the, like, melted clown makeup.

• 2:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so funny.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  That really got him, so.

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have one costume that I think it will have come out by the time this episode comes out that I feel like I really need to stay away from Noah.

• 3:03Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 3:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, it's gonna scare you. It's gonna scare me.

• 3:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh. Now I'm so curious. Forget these episodes. Let's just go get those episodes.

• 3:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's go do those.

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  I can't wait.

• 3:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Give me like an hour, because that's how long it's gonna take.

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but we feed this encounters episode.

• 3:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did, as we have been doing. It is my favorite topic.

• 3:23Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. Demon, demon splinter guys, demonic presences.

• 3:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Scary.

• 3:29Corinne Vien?

  Spooky scary skeletons.

• 3:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the cutest, most, like, happy little way. I feel like that is us, though. We are both sunshine and rainstorms.

• 3:42Corinne Vien?

  Sunshine and rainstorms.

• 3:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, fun, exciting thing, if you love these types of stories as much as we do, we have an extra one available on Patreon. So once you finish this episode, at the very end, we'll give you a little teaser, a little taste for what it is. Uh, but yeah, then that extra story will be read on Patreon for the Only Phantoms tier. And you can go, uh, get a, an extra dose of darkness over there.

• 4:08Corinne Vien?

  Do you want to begin?

• 4:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. Sure, I do. Which one do I want to pick?

• 4:14Corinne Vien?

  I'm already sweating, so.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you're not wearing your long sleeves this time.

• 4:17Corinne Vien?

  When I did short sleeves.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I stared into the light a second ago, so I'm having a hard time reading.

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  Seeing anything? Blinded. We should actually, like, pull the tarot after, see what...

• 4:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 4:27Corinne Vien?

  See what came from the spread. Yeah.

• 4:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Should we start with a card?

• 4:31Corinne Vien?

  A three-card quick pull.

• 4:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or should we each pull one card?

• 4:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, let's each pull one.

• 4:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I pull the devil card immediately. Let's see.

• 4:38Corinne Vien?

  Reminiscent, okay.

• 4:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 4:40Corinne Vien?

  My T-Rex arms. Okay, I'm gonna go from Justice Pile.

• 4:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're all calling to me.

• 4:44Corinne Vien?

  I feel like I actually got buzzed by this one. Oh, I'm upside down.

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  These are oracle?

• 4:49Corinne Vien?

  Well, so this is, yeah, I guess this is the oracle deck.

• 4:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's whatever we feel.

• 4:53Corinne Vien?

  This is the Plant Magic Oracle Deck.

• 4:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What plant did you get?

• 4:56Corinne Vien?

  I got the Marble Queen Pothos, which is the plant that I was looking for in the store a couple days ago when we were in Salem.

• 5:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's calling to you. Have you found it yet?

• 5:04Corinne Vien?

  No, but I can just go to, like, Home Depot.

• 5:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is there a word on yours?

• 5:07Corinne Vien?

  Yes, it says perseverance.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mine says composure. I have to keep it cool.

• 5:12Corinne Vien?

  Keep it cool. And I gotta trudge through.

• 5:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I have a fiddle leaf fig.

• 5:16Corinne Vien?

  Mm, which are really hard to keep alive.

• 5:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really? I feel like I'm great at keeping fiddle leaves alive.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. Not me. I've killed every single one.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really?

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 5:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My saddest day was when I moved from LA. I feel like we're being too pleasant right now. I need to get us into the darkness in a second. But I had to leave it behind, because I couldn't move across country.

• 5:37Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's the thing. I think, like, I had one in LA and it did fine. I think it's not in New England.

• 5:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mine in New England is doing great, thriving.

• 5:45Corinne Vien?

  What in the world? You don't have air conditioning in your apartment, do you?

• 5:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a little window unit.

• 5:50Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Mine definitely got killed by being blasted by A.C.

• 5:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, are you whispering to it and saying how beautiful it is every day?

• 5:56Corinne Vien?

  No, I'm saying, "Stop being so finicky. Be easier to survive."

• 6:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You gotta say, "You're beautiful. You're perfect. You're doing great, sweetie." Um, but some of you are not doing so great.

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  Some of you have been afflicted with demonic presences.

• 6:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, okay. This is from our listener, Harker, they/them, and it's called Plagued...

• 6:14Corinne Vien?

  Harker.

• 6:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Harker.

• 6:15Corinne Vien?

  Oh, interesting. Hark the herald angels sing.

• 6:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Too pleasant. Hark the demons sing. Okay, it's called "Plagued by a demon that possessed my brother and tried to kill me." "Hello, ladies and ghouls. Thank you for what you've built with your spooky show. I feel like I've learned so much while listening, both about legends and folklore and about my own spirituality, which has unfortunately taken a backseat in recent years due to trying to keep up with the demands of life in a crumbling capitalist society." Yeah. Okay, my name is Harker, they/them, and I spent a large part of my childhood in a house that I believe was plagued by demonic presence.

• 6:55Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 6:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If not multiple entities.

• 6:57Corinne Vien?

  What an interesting way to have spent your childhood.

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "When I was eight years old, my family moved into a new home. It was in a brand-new development, built on top of what had once been farmland and fields, and that sounds so much like my most haunted house. It used to be farmland, brand-new development, bought, first family to live in the house, demon."

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  Yep.

• 7:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "At the time, it was me, my mom, my stepfather, older brother, and younger brother, all living in the house. My older sister had left for college a few months before we moved into the house, so she visited occasionally. My stepfather came into my life when I was six years old, and at first, things were okay. But it became quickly clear that the only reason he was with my mom was out of obligation, because she had his child, my little brother, out of wedlock. So he felt a responsibility to step up as a father."

• 7:42Corinne Vien?

  Saying "out of wedlock" feels so whack these days.

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, it feels archaic.

• 7:46Corinne Vien?

  It's like, well, there's a lot of, that's just like a normal family.

• 7:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Out of wedlock? Sounds great to me, because marriage is tough. And the paperwork is annoying.

• 7:56Corinne Vien?

  Legal fees, too much.

• 7:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Do what you want to do. Okay. "I think I speak for all of my siblings, his children included, when I say I wish he hadn't tried to step up as a father. But that's neither here nor there. We moved in with him initially when I was six, but the house was small, and soon he started looking into upcoming new builds with my mom. I thought this was exciting at first. I got to go with them to see the house as they were building it, so I got to see the foundation and the walls come up, and I was looking forward to having my own room, and I continued to stay grateful for my room as time progressed. But let me just put it bluntly, I did not live in a happy home. The house was ruled by my stepfather's moods. He could find something to be angry about in any given situation, and I learned very quickly how to listen for the sounds of his footsteps

• 8:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and how to tell based off that alone what kind of mood he was in." That's so sad.

• 8:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 8:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "He became a dark presence that moved throughout the house. And I believe it's his miasma of anger that allowed for the presence to thrive in our home."

• 8:57Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 8:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That said, I don't...

• 8:59Corinne Vien?

  Which is unfortunate, because like, the survival and, like, trauma response to living with someone like that is that you do become much more aware of your surroundings. And if there's a demon lurking, it's like, okay, great, now you're gonna experience even more.

• 9:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. Harker says, "I don't think that his energy is actually what called the presence into our home. When my little brother was around two to three years old, my mom started looking into daycare for him locally, because she and my stepdad both worked full-time. So she found a local woman who ran a daycare out of her home, and the kids called her Teacher Rita. And at first, my little brother loved going to see Teacher Rita. He loved playing with other kids, he was learning new words, he was doing his ABCs and counting, and it seemed like everything was great. But gradually, he started to not want to go to daycare. He would get upset if my mom said we were taking him there, to the point of full-on fits. Something sinister was definitely happening in that house. My brother's demeanor started to change at home. He had been your average toddler, curious, playful, and mischievous.

• 9:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then, I don't remember much about this incident, other than he made me fear for my life."

• 10:03Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 10:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "We were probably arguing over a toy or a game one of us didn't want to share, something mundane. We were home alone, but I knew that my mom was going to be home soon. I think she ran to the grocery store for a forgotten ingredient or something. Anyway, my brother and I were arguing, like siblings do, and then my brother ran into the kitchen. I heard the clanking of silverware, and something in me registered pure fear. I remember walking towards the entrance to the kitchen to ask what he was doing, and he was standing by the silverware drawer, holding a small but sharp knife."

• 10:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 10:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  "He had so much rage in his eyes as he looked at me and said, 'I'm going to kill you.'" I didn't think.

• 10:40Corinne Vien?

  He's a toddler, like he's a young.

• 10:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Young kid. I didn't think. I ran and he chased and I managed to get to the bathroom, the first room I could think of with a lock and turned it, but he kept banging and slamming himself into the door and screaming about killing me and making me bleed and things of such grotesque nature that he should not have known. He was my baby brother. I was crying. I was begging for him to stop and screaming for help through the open window in the bathroom. Eventually, it got quiet and I just sat there crying on the floor. When my mom came home, she was initially furious to find him alone in the living room and me locked in the bathroom, until she saw how upset and terrified I was. He denied everything and was behaving completely normal. I don't remember how this resolved, but I started getting in the habit of putting a toy box in front of my bedroom door at night. That's how scared I was.

• 11:25Corinne Vien?

  Geez. Well, it's like, yeah, because if he, he obviously, I mean, kids don't even have any self-control anyway.

• 11:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 11:32Corinne Vien?

  Like around that age. So that's so much scarier too.

• 11:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So scary.

• 11:35Corinne Vien?

  He basically was getting possessed.

• 11:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, then also, what was he seeing at daycare that was like causing him to go get a knife, you know?

• 11:42Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like that's repeated behavior. After this, I started seeing so many things and unexplainable events became frequent. I would see a child-shaped form running past my bedroom in my hallway when my brother wasn't home. I would also hear knocking and laughter from my brother's room when he was not home.

• 11:58Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 11:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Things like this continued on and off for years. It escalated when I was in high school, but I'll write more about those encounters another time. The thing is, I was raised in a very Mexican Catholic household. I no longer subscribe to any one religion, but I do think that intent and belief are the most powerful things in the world. I believe there are forces of evil, good, and everything in between in this world. And I believe that regardless of what religion you practice, if you truly believe in whatever ritual or blessing or anything of that nature you partake in, you will be successful. One day, the priest from our Catholic church visited our home at my mother's request. He told us he was there to do a blessing to protect our home from evil. We prayed together and then he moved through the house praying and leaving Saint Benedict medals on every

• 12:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  window. I was initially confused by all of this because for years, my stepfather had been writing off all of the experiences, even ridiculing me, saying I was imagining things.

• 12:51Corinne Vien?

  Thanks. Also Saint Benedict, I'm gonna look it up right now. Is that a protective?

• 12:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, why do I feel like?

• 12:57Corinne Vien?

  You pray to different saints for different things?

• 12:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like Liz Sauer in Ghost in the Burbs talks about that in one of her episodes.

• 13:03Corinne Vien?

  It also took me until like three days ago. I had the realization when you and I were together, but then I was too embarrassed to say anything, so I kept it.

• 13:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 13:11Corinne Vien?

  That her book Claire, the character Claire is because of all the Claires and like being able to see and hear did not make that connection at all. Here I am, seven years later.

• 13:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A small little nod.

• 13:23Corinne Vien?

  Being like, oh, I understand now why Claire is named Claire.

• 13:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are you looking up Saint Benedict?

• 13:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's for protection against evil. Okay, makes sense.

• 13:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I found out later the priest had come in secret and my stepfather never even knew of his visit. I also found out later what the catalyst had been for this visit, which I'll get to in a minute. But so yeah, at this point in my life, I truly believed in the prayers. And the activity was mostly quiet for years after that one blessing and sort of became an odd, almost unsettling quirk of the house. My brother's behavior mostly went back to normal after the blessing, although he has carried anger and has had a little bit of a mean streak, but he has not tried to kill me ever again.

• 14:04Corinne Vien?

  That's good.

• 14:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's good. Good news. We got a positive here.

• 14:08Corinne Vien?

  To have to share that experience again.

• 14:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But activity started ramping up again when I was around 12 or 13 and my mother gave birth to my youngest sibling, my sister. She would do those things that babies do that often people explain away. She would focus really hard on empty corners or giggle at an empty space or erupt into tears for seemingly no reason, looking terrified. Everyone but me brushed it off. When she was around two or three years old, she started talking to what she saw. She told me once while sitting on a beanbag in my room that there was a man made of shadows sitting at the end of my bed.

• 14:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I don't like that it's not just a shadow man. It's a man made of shadows. It like feels like there's multiple entities like coming and whirling and creating this like larger.

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It like absorbed other souls?

• 14:53Corinne Vien?

  The poor unfortunate souls.

• 14:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Once, my sister had disappeared from where she had been napping inside and we found her sleeping on our front lawn. When we woke her, she said the shadow man put her there. She had never sleepwalked and has not since.

• 15:10Corinne Vien?

  So he's like, get out of my house. But I guess maybe in a gentle way where you just.

• 15:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but I.

• 15:16Corinne Vien?

  If she wasn't harmed, but still.

• 15:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so dangerous. She's a child. She's like two or three years old.

• 15:21Corinne Vien?

  Outside, it could, what if it was in the middle of the night?

• 15:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 17:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 18:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 19:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  back then, I was scared and I felt like there was no God looking out for me to protect me. So the most terrifying experience I had was an evening when I was home alone, maybe 14 years old. Ironically, my family was going to an evening mass for Ash Wednesday and I pretended to be sick so I could stay home, which I sorely regret. We have a heavy door in the kitchen that leads to the garage and we always keep it locked. This is one of the doors that I would often hear open and slam closed. And our pantry is maybe three feet away from this door. So my family is gone and I decide to go help myself to some Doritos. And I remember glancing at the garage door, seeing it was definitely locked. I found the Doritos, I poured some into a bowl, and when I returned them to our pantry,

• 20:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I heard the garage door begin to slowly creak open. And our garage is a motion light, so if anyone had been in the garage, the light would have been on. But when I looked and I saw the opening door, there was nothing beyond it but darkness.

• 20:36Corinne Vien?

  It's so scary, opening to a dark room. And like, the garage, too.

• 20:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Garage, basement, attic, no thanks.

• 20:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, cuz it's, it's, is it a paranormal threat? Is it a person?

• 20:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I booked it back to my room. And as I ran through the kitchen, through the living room, all of a sudden, the television in the living room turned on, volume blaring. I turned into the hallway, trailing Doritos as I ran, and right before opening the door to my room, I felt the unmistakable sensation of two fingers with sharp nails moving through my hair, curling at the base of my scalp, pulling hard. I screamed.

• 21:12Corinne Vien?

  But until you said pulling hard, part of me was like, I know that this is scary, but that also sounds really nice.

• 21:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little like hair, yeah, like the head, scalp tickle?

• 21:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 21:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, no.

• 21:20Corinne Vien?

  Two nails.

• 21:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not with two demon claw nails.

• 21:24Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 21:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I screamed. I was able to reach my doorknob and essentially fall inside, slamming the door shut behind me. I didn't get a good look, but I know there was no human being standing behind me in the hallway. I heard the television turning on and off constantly while I was in my room. I sprinkled holy water across my door that my abuelita had given me, and all my questions about faith jumped out the window. I jumped into my bed, pushing myself into the corner of my room, the furthest from the door. The activity in the living room finally quieted down. And my family came home not long after. My mom and stepfather were pissed about Doritos being everywhere, understandably. And my stepfather did not believe my story, and my mom didn't defend me. Although, she did jokingly say, I bet you wish you had come to church, hadn't you? Not long-

• 22:07Corinne Vien?

  I don't think church was helping this whole time.

• 22:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but it was like, the one day, if he had gone with them.

• 22:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, true.

• 22:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not long after, my older sister was in town visiting, and I was talking with her and my mom. We were the only ones home, and somehow, we got on the topic of creepy things in the house. We were talking about older memories, and my mom casually mentioned, having to exorcise a demon with your grandmother on the phone. And I was taken aback. Although, my older sister seemed like she had heard it before, so I asked my mom what she was talking about. And that is when she explained. Apparently, back when weird things first started happening when my brother was little, an evening came when my stepfather was out of town. My mom had already told me to go to bed, so I was presumably asleep. And at this point, it was common for my little brother to go sleep with his parents. And that's what he was doing that night. My mom said she woke up around 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. And for some reason, she was terrified, like she was in a nightmare, but she couldn't remember what it was.

• 22:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So she gathered her bearings for a moment, before she looked beside her to see my little brother, sitting, staring at her, smiling. But it wasn't his smile. She asked him what he was doing awake, uncertain, but hoping it was just something mundane, like needing to go potty or being hungry. Instead, his smile grew larger, and he started to call her expletive after expletive, words that he shouldn't have known, saying things like, fuck you bitch, or shut up, you, C-word. All in what my mom described as a deep, gravelly, grown man's voice.

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh my gosh. Also, is daycare not reporting back any weird things with his behavior at daycare? Like, is it all-

• 23:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is daycare where he picked this demon up?

• 23:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's kind of my question. Like, what are the other kids like? Is he the one with like behavioral-

• 23:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Forget daddy daycare, it's demon daycare.

• 23:48Corinne Vien?

  Demon daycare. Or is he perfectly fine there, and he's just freaking out because-

• 23:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 23:54Corinne Vien?

  The demon is telling him not to go, that horrible things will happen if he ever leaves the house, he has to stay.

• 23:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He has to stay.

• 23:59Corinne Vien?

  In the house.

• 23:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's like, three years old. My mom was terrified, didn't know what to do, so she called my abuelita. And my grandmother was this deeply spiritual Catholic woman, and she almost always had a rosary in hand, so when my mother called, my grandmother told her to put her on speaker and commanded my mother pray with her. Together, they recited the Lord's Prayer and Hail Mary to whatever was manifesting in my brother's body. My mom had holy water on hand, and just like me, she shook drops of it on my little brother. But she said that as she did this, my little brother wailed in agony, as if it was the most painful thing she had ever done.

• 24:32Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 24:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like an exorcism.

• 24:34Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, that just, I know I've said it before, but like, it reminds me, when Noah was going through everything, my mom was just like, let's just like, put holy water on him. And the second she touches his forehead with the holy water, he like screams, it's like, and we were both like, what the hell just happened?

• 24:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My little brother was threatening her and my grandmother. So my grandmother and my mom kept commanding the spirit to leave him, telling it that the only spirit allowed within him was the Holy Spirit and light of Jesus Christ. I don't know how in the world this didn't wake me up, even if my bedroom was on the opposite end of the house, but I'm glad it didn't. I don't know what I would have done if I had experienced that terror. As my mother tells it, my brother quieted after they prayed over him for an hour. And after this hour, my brother just went to sleep, looking like a normal sleeping toddler.

• 25:22Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 25:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Turns out, after this happened is when my mom had the priest come do the blessing of the house.

• 25:27Corinne Vien?

  That's, I know I keep saying, two truths and a lie, we're getting so many good two truths and a lie. I had an exorcism done on me as a toddler.

• 25:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a good one.

• 25:35Corinne Vien?

  That's a really good-

• 25:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Although, it depends on what context you're telling people. If this is like, a fun dating icebreaker, maybe not the right thing to share.

• 25:43Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I, see, if that were me, I would have shared it at work. It wouldn't matter.

• 25:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You would have shared it in college.

• 25:48Corinne Vien?

  I would have.

• 25:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It would have been your fun fact. According to my mom, she tried to talk to my little brother about what had happened that evening, and all my brother could say was about the shadow coming from teacher Rita's house. I remember my mom pulled him out of daycare, and at the time, I thought it was sudden, but now, I understand. My mom believed that something was going on, either teacher Rita was summoning something, or there was something in her house.

• 26:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's reminding me a bit of our September Patreon bonus episode. So go over to Patreon if you're not already there.

• 26:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Bone Lady of Appalachia?

• 26:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So there was also an incident once where my little sister was showering in my mom and stepfather's bathroom. It was part of their primary bedroom, with a small hallway between the bathroom and the main bedroom. In this hallway, they have their own walk-in closets, and they face each other. So my mom and I were chatting in the kitchen while my sister showered, she must have been like nine or 10 at the time, when all of a sudden, we heard choking sounds coming from the bathroom. My mom and I called to ask if my sister was okay, laughing at first, thinking maybe she got water in her mouth, or soap in her eyes or something, but it continued. And then finally, we heard a strangled cry from my mother. So she went running. I froze, and then I followed after. My sister was okay, but very shaken. She said she had seen a shadow figure step out of my stepfather's closet, and when it

• 27:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  turned to look at her, she all of a sudden couldn't breathe anymore. She was trying to scream, but nothing would come out.

• 27:12Corinne Vien?

  It's so scary, because I feel like so many examples of shadowy figures and shadow people are not this powerful. So it's like, it clearly is something really, really dark, that's just like, kind of cloaking itself as almost a more benign version of what-

• 27:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trying to hide in the shadows.

• 27:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's literally hiding in the shadows.

• 27:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Unfortunately, there's not a neat end to this story. The activity has continued to wax and wane over the years, and I'll never really know for sure what happened to my sister that day. But maybe it's the same entity that attacked our little brother? Who knows? My sister continued to have experiences in the house until she moved out last year, but I haven't had many of my own, aside from the occasional spine tingles of someone watching me. The phenomena experienced in the house by myself and my family members throughout our lives has shaped a lot of how I engage with spirituality and my opinions on spirits and demons. I can never forget the feeling of those fingers in my hair. They haunt my memory all the time. I know that there are forces out there that want to do us harm, and I think that whatever was there that night, whatever was in our house, wanted to do us harm.

• 28:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stay spooky, see you on the other side, from Harker.

• 28:20Corinne Vien?

  I'd say like, beyond whatever was there that night. It was like, whatever was-

• 28:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There forever.

• 28:26Corinne Vien?

  Living there.

• 28:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Following you.

• 28:27Corinne Vien?

  Proceeding the development.

• 28:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's also just so tough, cuz I feel like it's common in a lot of possession and demonic stories that we hear, that families are going through so much already.

• 28:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they feed off of that energy, and the negativity, and like, the darkness, and then just make it worse.

• 28:44Corinne Vien?

  It's like the perfect formula, that's the recipe.

• 28:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Corinne Vien?

  And it's unfortunate, because I feel like, even if a family moves in, and they're perfectly fine in the very beginning, like, it is very soon after that things start to unravel.

• 28:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we're glad that you survived that, and your little brother didn't kill you.

• 29:02Corinne Vien?

  This is an I Survived episode, basically.

• 29:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I survived demons.

• 29:06Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have one called, I played a spooky 90s game and met the devil.

• 29:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My favorite kind.

• 29:12Corinne Vien?

  Hi, Sabrina and Corinne, I started writing an email before, like, years ago, but got so overwhelmed, I got distracted, and I never finished it. Where's that email now? Good question, I don't know.

• 29:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wasn't meant to be. You're here now.

• 29:25Corinne Vien?

  Shameless plug alert, this listener has two podcasts.

• 29:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 29:29Corinne Vien?

  We love it, fellow podcaster. One called Profoundly Seen, and one called Petty and Unbothered. Profoundly Seen is an interview-style podcast where they talk to people about pop culture moments.

• 29:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fun.

• 29:42Corinne Vien?

  And when they felt seen, or like, how they see themselves in those moments. And then Petty and Unbothered, they co-host with a friend, and they talk about pop culture events, both past and present, and also read Reddit stories.

• 29:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it, great. Also, the names, great.

• 29:57Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 29:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Chef's kiss.

• 29:58Corinne Vien?

  So good. Anyhoosers, when I was in elementary school, the popular thing to play on the playground, for some strange reason, was Interview with the Devil. Or maybe I was the weird kid who convinced everyone to play the game with me?

• 30:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 30:13Corinne Vien?

  It's similar to the game that you talked about recently, of course, I can't remember the name of that game now, but I'm sure you will. Okay, here are the rules, as I remember them. All participants, except for one, sit in a circle, and they hold hands. One participant that's in the circle is the observer, while the one participant who's not in the circle is the guide, asking questions about the observer's experience.

• 30:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kind of like Red Door, Yellow Door.

• 30:37Corinne Vien?

  Is that the one? There's so many where you're holding hands in circles.

• 30:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:40Corinne Vien?

  Well, shout out what game you think this is.

• 30:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:43Corinne Vien?

  In theory, since everyone's holding hands and connected, they will be able to visualize what the observer is experiencing. Or maybe it's just offering them energy to do this work, who knows? I was like, eight, maybe. So, you enter into the space, and the whole point is to go find the devil. But you're not supposed to look them in the eyes when you do find them.

• 31:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cool.

• 31:04Corinne Vien?

  What happens if you do look them in the eyes? Well, allegedly, you go into a coma. So.

• 31:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where did we come up with these games? It's so crazy. And how does it travel the kids' sphere?

• 31:15Corinne Vien?

  Well, cuz the web, early websites, it was like-

• 31:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 31:19Corinne Vien?

  scarykidsgames.com or whatever, and it was like-

• 31:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Scary game for kids.

• 31:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay, so, it's third grade, I'm the observer. My friend is my guide, and I have a very overactive imagination. I'm describing what I'm seeing, and she asks me questions. What do you see? What do you see? What I-

• 31:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brown bear, brown bear, what do you see?

• 31:39Corinne Vien?

  I see a teacher looking at me. Who do you see? What are they wearing? Where are you? Are you planning to enter? What is happening? I'm saying this with like an adult voice.

• 31:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I feel like this is like sexy.

• 31:51Corinne Vien?

  I'm like, are you planning to enter? How are they making this scary as eight year olds? I'm not sure. Here's what I remember seeing. I was walking along a sidewalk. The color scheme was dark. It was moody. There were several establishments, storefronts, glass windows. There were other people walking around and they were wearing long hooded cloaks of different colors. I can't remember what I was wearing, but when I was younger, I always felt like I was older than I was. So in this visual visualization, whoa, can't say that word today. I was definitely a bit older. I had decided to walk into a few stores and through the aisles. And I don't remember there being anything to purchase, just empty shelves and blank boxes on shelves. People walking aimlessly around.

• 32:33Corinne Vien?

  And when I exited the store, I saw that someone was wearing a black cloak. This being was taller than everyone else and just stood there while everyone else was moving around them. Where I could see the other people's blank facial expressions, I only saw darkness under this downturned hood. It seemed as if they were slowly moving towards each other. I think I said to the guide in the group, I think I see the devil. My guide said, walk away. I said, I'm gonna talk to them. My guide said, don't. But I did anyway. And then I saw their eyes. Bright glowing red eyes. I could hear my guide calling to me. I could hear the bell ringing, letting everyone know that recess was done.

• 33:17Corinne Vien?

  I could feel my friends shaking me, beckoning me to wake up. But I was still, I was with the black cloaked figure. Just me. Every other hooded being was now gone. I don't really remember what happened between me and the devil. But finally, I was able to shake myself out of it. I felt like I had been with them for a while, but I know it was only for as long as it took for the bell to ring. Since then, I had always felt like there was something around me. I could feel their eyes. I could see it in my mind. My Catholic guilt convinced me that it meant I was bad and only bad people could ever meet the devil and walk away. Some other part of me said, well, it's because I'm powerful and I'm protected.

• 33:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That.

• 33:54Corinne Vien?

  I'm also Filipina and there are many ghost stories and spookies that have also happened around me and that I've experienced. Also, every person with a sixth sense or a specific gift could always tell that I had one too. They would tell my mom about the spirits around me. And I'll have to share a story about spirits making me sick when I was a kid and tell you about how I think my dad's death opened me up to the paranormal. I have some heartwarming stories about his ever-present protection and why I also decided to close myself off to everything because death was following me. Anyway, I later painted a picture about what I saw during that game and I'll attach the image in the painting for you to share.

• 34:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, I wanna see.

• 34:31Corinne Vien?

  I hope you enjoyed the story from Laura. It's a very good painting and very spooky.

• 34:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wow.

• 34:38Corinne Vien?

  And it's like very trippy. Almost like a mirror reflection, like weird. I'd be confused about like how to move about the space.

• 34:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It feels like very um, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, where the Death Eaters are convening.

• 34:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Scary.

• 34:52Corinne Vien?

  Also a little bit of Star Wars fixed in here.

• 34:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:56Corinne Vien?

  Just otherworldly, like you can't quite pinpoint what is going on.

• 35:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 35:01Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, Laura was eight and met the devil.

• 35:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Casual. That's a good fun fact, too. I met the devil when I was eight years old.

• 35:08Corinne Vien?

  Here's the two truths and a lie. We're gonna come up with a third during this episode, too.

• 35:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  By the end of this.

• 35:14Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I saw a TikTok the other day where it was like, someone was like, the point of view, like you're an atheist trying to understand why the devil's bad. And it's like, okay, so, so the devil is bad because devil takes bad people and then tortures them because they're bad and then that makes the devil bad?

• 35:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So the bad people are trying to make us think the devil is bad?

• 35:40Corinne Vien?

  It was just like this whole thing of like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 35:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:43Corinne Vien?

  It was like, I appreciate that.

• 35:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's kind of how I feel about Appalachia. Like, I feel like, and we did that whole episode about the devil in Appalachia. And it made me a devil sympathizer and people got upset by it. Cause I was like, but in this context, it feels like, yeah, it's that same thing. It's like, well, it's punishing people who are not respecting the land or who are of ill intent. So therefore, we should be like, yay.

• 36:10Corinne Vien?

  One, if you get too deep into mythology and there's a lot of Loki comparisons between, if you're curious, if you're gonna get insulted, don't look it up, but Loki and God. I'll just leave people with that and they can do their own Googling and I like, I like reading about that stuff. Why are we taking one narrative? Like, let's, let's think about things.

• 36:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was, I saw a clip the other day and I'm, it's from some podcasts, but they were talking about the history of gossip. And it comes from a specific word, but it used to be women would gossip. I think during like labor and pregnancy, the other woman would come around and like share gossip. It had a different word, but of the same origin and to like try to distract the woman.

• 36:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 36:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then the like church and everything basically made it a negative thing and deemed it dangerous.

• 37:01Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 37:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they didn't want the women gossiping about their dirty little secrets. Um, okay, so naturally, when you think of demons and scary things, what's something you think of?

• 37:13Corinne Vien?

  Ouija board, Ouija boards?

• 37:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I was like, do you want me to help you? Ouija boards.

• 37:18Corinne Vien?

  I was like, I think of multiple things, but one of those.

• 37:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One of them, yes. As a cat owner, I need to tell you about something that completely changed my whole life. It's the Whisker litter robot. The Whisker litter robot automatically cycles after each use, so you don't have to scoop. And they have a full lineup of automatic litter robots to choose from. So they have models for all different family sizes. Whether you've got one cat or five, there is a litter robot for you. And let me tell you, Whisker litter robot really changed my life. It was amazing towards the end of Leia's life because every time she went in, it weighed her and then it gave me notifications. So that I was able to keep track of how much weight she was losing or gaining. But then also it scooped the litter for you, which every cat owner will love. It saves you so much time and you can check cleaning litter off your to-do list.

• 38:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 38:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 39:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 40:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For example, liver is one of the richest natural sources of B12 and vitamin A. And then there's iron, which is especially interesting for women, while also bringing B12, copper, zinc, and other nutrients along with it. And that's just one organ. And that is why Corinne loves Primal Queen. Plus, the quality of the organs really matters. So they're grass-fed, pasture-raised, there's no hormones, no antibiotics, gluten-free, non-GMO, third-party tested, encapsulated in FDA-registered facilities in the US. And for a limited time only, our listeners are getting a free month of Primal Queen plus four free gifts at primalqueen.com/tgog. That's primalqueen.com/tgog to get a free month and four free gifts today. After you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them.

• 41:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Please support our show and let them know we sent you. So I found a story called Ouija Board Demon. It's from our listener Kimberly. Hi, my name is Kimberly. I'm a huge fan of you two lovely ladies. I'm 32, so same birth year. And this whole thing started when I was around 10. It's been going on for a hot minute. One night, I went to stay over at my cousin Megan's house per, you know, usual weekend stuff. She was a year older and her sister Brittany, who was probably close to 17. So that night Brittany brought home a Ouija board. Also, when you're 10 and like the 17 year old cousin brings home a Ouija board, you're probably so excited.

• 41:34Corinne Vien?

  So excited, but also like so scared at the same time.

• 41:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you feel like you have to like be cool.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause she's 17.

• 41:40Corinne Vien?

  It's exhilarating. You're like, I can do this. I can play this. My mom said it's okay.

• 41:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we lit candles, left the TV on mute for the extra light. And little did we know that while sitting crisscross applesauce around the board on the floor of Brittany's room, that this night was going to change our lives. The candles and the TV went out at the exact same time. So we went from a nice, safe glow in the room to complete darkness. We all scrambled out of the room screaming and that was that. I do know that we did not close the board and now I know that's a big no-no, but we were kids. We didn't know anything about the game or the rules because at the time, that's all it was, a game.

• 42:17Corinne Vien?

  Right. And it's like through the history of Ouija boards, talking boards been marketed early days as just a game.

• 42:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Something, a way to touch your crush's hand. Anyway, not long after that night, Brittany started hearing noises from under her bed where she kept the board. It sounded like the planchette was sliding around by itself while inside the box.

• 42:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, inside the box. I hate that.

• 42:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She also started to see small shadows darting around the room. And nothing super crazy happened after that for a long time. There was a time that my sister and I purchased a pink and white Barbie Jeep from a flea market. And this thing started working without batteries, like it would follow us around the room.

• 42:59Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 43:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We fixed this issue by putting it under our shared bed and cramming other toys around the edges to make a barricade.

• 43:06Corinne Vien?

  You don't want to just get rid of it?

• 43:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 43:10Corinne Vien?

  Why are you keeping a haunted Barbie Jeep?

• 43:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I feel like when you're a kid, you don't really like understand.

• 43:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That you can just like throw something out maybe, I don't know. When I was around 15, Megan, my cousin, had now moved into Brittany's old room. She said that ever since moving into that room, she was afraid to sleep in her bed. She claimed that she saw what looked like a person wearing a smiling mask in her room. It had appeared almost every night, usually by her computer desk in the corner or the end of her bed. And listen, I love spooky stuff. So when I heard this, I wanted to see it for myself and I got my wish. One night I lay in her bed. I was playing on my iPod Touch and I all of a sudden got the feeling that something was watching me. So I glanced over towards the closet and there it was, staring at me from the darkness. A entity that looked like it was wearing a white mask.

• 43:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The eyes were black sockets and the mouth wasn't something I would call a smile. It was open far too wide and it did not look happy.

• 44:08Corinne Vien?

  Not at all.

• 44:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I kept eye contact. I reached over to her bedside lamp and clicked it on. And of course, this entity dissipated. This thing tormented us for about a year, so much that we gave it a name, Carl. Carl, damn it, Carl.

• 44:23Corinne Vien?

  Classic demon name.

• 44:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you watch Summer House, Carl's a mess. Carl didn't just stay.

• 44:29Corinne Vien?

  Is Summer House the, is that the one that's like a hot new single?

• 44:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 44:33Corinne Vien?

  What's that one?

• 44:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Summer House is the one with Amanda and West and I told you the drama.

• 44:36Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I'm thinking of Love Island.

• 44:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you're thinking of Love Island.

• 44:39Corinne Vien?

  It's all, it's all the same and I want you to go on every one of those shows. It's the only way I'm gonna watch them.

• 44:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah, I don't want to go on any of them, especially not Love Island. But here's the thing, Carl didn't stay just at Megan's house. A lot of the time, if something happened at my house, I would soon discover something happened at her house too. So it was like at the exact same time.

• 44:59Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 45:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Megan kept seeing Carl and Carl only seemed to be getting braver. At my house, it started with knocking on the walls and windows and it progressed to the point where we started to hear it speak. My dad was actually the first to hear it talk. He was home alone and had gone into my sister's room to get his laptop that she had borrowed. And as he was walking out of the room, he heard a young girl say, hey. And from that point on, we renamed it Carla because it's a girl. Then my sister and I. Or is it mimicking you?

• 45:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 45:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Then my sister and I began hearing it. I started sleeping with my bedroom door open so I could see down the hallway. And if anything spoke to me, I wanted to know if anyone was really there. One night, as I lay in my bed, it knocked on the wall beside my headboard. And what did I do? I knocked back and then I heard my mom's voice. What are you doing? But it was not my mom and it was coming from inside my room where no one was but me. No thanks. So yeah, it's mimicking all of you. There was also an incident when my sister was so freaked out by scratching coming from inside of her closet that she started crying.

• 46:06Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 46:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the scratching turned into laughter.

• 46:09Corinne Vien?

  Ew. Oh, I hate this.

• 46:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Corinne Vien?

  You know what it kind of reminds me of in a way? It's just like some of those, I know that this is horrifying and this is like a Foltergeist and Demon, but it kind of reminds me of some of the ones that are a little more silly, like Jeff the mongoose or like the faces of Bel.

• 46:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You want it to be.

• 46:26Corinne Vien?

  Of Belmas where it's just like, yeah, there's just like something else going on.

• 46:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think this is straight demon.

• 46:33Corinne Vien?

  Well, it just laughing. It's like, oh, like it's having a good time.

• 46:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Laughing at her for being scared. She was crying. She was so scared. When someone laughs at you when you're crying, demon, whether they're living or dead. Okay. So a little background on where my parents' house is. My grandmother used to tell me that there was this tree they used to call the witch tree on the property. It was old and twisted and felt almost petrified. And they had always been creeped out by it. My parents cut this tree down to put their house where they wanted. And I know it seems out there, but maybe it's kind of important. It reminds me of the movie, The Conjuring, because they have like the witch tree and everything. Another cousin of mine, Michelle, lives with my parents due to her medical issues. And she began telling us that she would see someone walking down the hallway towards her room, holding a flashlight.

• 47:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  According to her, it was a man and he was nice. And as crazy as it sounds, one afternoon, my sister, father, Megan and I sat around my parents' kitchen table with a Ouija board. I love that. We wanted answers. And the first spirit to come through was a man who claimed to be the one Michelle saw. He said that he had died on the witch tree and he was trying to help keep the bad spirits out. He liked Michelle and wanted to protect her. We were communicating with this man easily until no matter what we asked, the plan check kept sliding to no. So then we asked if the one we called Carla had taken over and immediately it slid to yes. Through the board, it communicated that it wanted to hurt us and that it had been following us since the very first time we used a Ouija board with Brittany.

• 48:04Corinne Vien?

  It's when you say get out and goodbye.

• 48:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It took us so much force to close out the session.

• 48:10Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's also one of those things where it's like, it's already out of the board. So it's like you're making contact, but like this isn't first contact.

• 48:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:16Corinne Vien?

  Like it's been around.

• 48:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. There are so many small things that I probably left out, but this was such a huge part of my adolescence. This year of 2025, so last year, my dad was home on Halloween when he heard a knock at the front door. It was heavy enough that it made my mom's little scraggly dog go crazy. He went to go answer the door and no one was there. Thank you for taking time to read this from Kimberly.

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  My gosh.

• 48:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On Halloween, a ghost knocking on your door and you opened, isn't that letting them in?

• 48:46Corinne Vien?

  It kind of feels like the theme is just letting anything in for that email.

• 48:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It seems too late. You've let it all in.

• 48:52Corinne Vien?

  Yep, sorry. The only hope now is that Carl just becomes the protector.

• 48:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Carl's not gonna become the protector.

• 48:58Corinne Vien?

  Carl's just, Carl's like, I gotta keep you for myself, so I'll leave all the other bad guys out.

• 49:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At least that one man is trying to help protect them.

• 49:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Ooh. Sorry to, sorry to all of you. Okay. This is called my 1880 haunted Massachusetts house.

• 49:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, love it.

• 49:17Corinne Vien?

  Hi, my name is Maddie. I've always had a very strong sensitivity to the spiritual world. I've had dreams, visions, predictions about many things throughout my life. My family is sensitive to it as well, including my stepfather, who is Native American, which feels important to mention. Ever since I was a kid, I've always been drawn to the paranormal from watching ghost shows to having small encounters of my own. But nothing compares to what I have experienced now.

• 49:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great.

• 49:41Corinne Vien?

  To start from the beginning, my mother remarried. We moved from Texas to Massachusetts to live with my now stepfather. The house itself is small, a townhouse with an upstairs and then a downstairs unit. And I've lived in both parts of the home. When I was around 10 or 11, I suddenly had this overwhelming urge to buy a Ouija board. Deep down, I already felt like there was something in that house and I desperately wanted to communicate with it. My stepfather agreed to buy one for me, though my mother was extremely against it. She's very religious. She knew the dangers that come with those boards. She had played one once before and she had experiences of her own.

• 50:21Corinne Vien?

  When we finally played it at home, I explained all the rules to my stepfather beforehand because I had researched them obsessively. But he did not follow them. He took his hands off the planchette before ever saying goodbye. He began asking disrespectful questions and that was the beginning of everything.

• 50:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yikes. See, that's why it's so important that you know who you're dealing with when you're using these.

• 50:46Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 50:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spiritual methods of communication, because.

• 50:50Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's hard because it's like, some people think it's funny, like you do something as a joke and it's like, you can't undo the joke.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's why I'm so scared to go do a paranormal investigation with strangers. Cause I don't know what they're bringing in. I trust myself. I trust no one else. Anyway, I trust you. I trust you.

• 51:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like you kind of trust me.

• 51:08Corinne Vien?

  I was gonna say, I have trust you because I feel like there's certain, certain moments where you might just be like, ooh, this is interesting.

• 51:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've become possessed.

• 51:17Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this was the beginning of everything. Afterward, I put the board in my closet, the biggest mistake that I have ever made. Every single night at exactly 2:30 AM, there would be scratching on the wooden closet door. Not random noises, scratching. Slow, deliberate scratching that would wake me up every single night without fail. We eventually threw the board away, hoping that it would end there. It didn't. Almost every night after that, I felt something in the room, like a heavy presence. The kind that makes the air feel thick, your lungs tighten the second it enters. It felt wrong, like something was watching and waiting. I began seeing shadow figures standing over me while I tried to sleep. I used to have this tall wooden dresser in the corner of my room beside my bed.

• 52:00Corinne Vien?

  And countless nights, I would see a dark figure crouched on top of it, almost hovering over me, silently watching me in the dark. How creepy. It's like gargoyle style, just perched up there.

• 52:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you know that if it stretched out, it was like probably obscenely tall and lanky.

• 52:20Corinne Vien?

  Doors would open and close on their own constantly. One night I was out of my room when I suddenly heard my laptop turn on by itself. A video started playing loudly and ironically, it was a paranormal YouTube video that I had not been watching. When I walked closer, I could hear typing on the keyboard, like someone was trying to communicate through it. Is this what an internet troll is?

• 52:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it really just demons? I'm just picturing the ghosts from Ghosts.

• 52:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, Trevor.

• 52:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trevor pressing the keyboard.

• 52:50Corinne Vien?

  I've heard my name screamed loudly in the house, followed by a massive bang, only to realize that I was the only person home. I even captured a photo of what I personally believe was a demon inside the house.

• 53:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do we have the photo?

• 53:01Corinne Vien?

  We do. It's one of those ones where I'm like, I can't tell if it's Paridolia or like, there's some pictures before that we have received. Where like you and I don't see anything and then we post it and people are like, oh my god.

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:13Corinne Vien?

  So at least yesterday when I was trying to look, I wasn't really sure.

• 53:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Alright, should I wait or should we look at it?

• 53:19Corinne Vien?

  We can look now.

• 53:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, interesting.

• 53:21Corinne Vien?

  Cause it totally looks like a face on the wall.

• 53:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It kind of has like clown face vibes where, but yeah, it could be Paridolia.

• 53:29Corinne Vien?

  It almost, it reminded me a little bit of like when people capture faces in like smoke or in fire, how the face appears. Or even like a dragon starting to perform.

• 53:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But here's the thing, I think the entity, even if it isn't that, it's counting on you seeing something and being scared.

• 53:45Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 53:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And even if it's not the entity, it was feeding off the fear that she felt from capturing this photo.

• 53:51Corinne Vien?

  And it looks like it's smiling and the eyes are glowing.

• 53:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tongue out.

• 53:58Corinne Vien?

  One of the most terrifying experiences happened when I saw a woman dressed completely in white, wearing what looked like an old 1800 style gown. She walked directly past me and into my room. So I refused to go in my room for a while after that.

• 54:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's so many spirits here.

• 54:12Corinne Vien?

  I know. My stepfather has had even more experiences than I have. Multiple times he would hear someone calling his name in what sounded exactly like my voice, except every single time I wouldn't be home when it happened. One night while he was watching TV in his room, he heard me call his name. And when he looked towards the cracked bedroom door, he saw what he thought was me standing there. Except the version of me he saw standing there had long jet black hair, but at that time I had blonde hair. He said, whatever it was, looked directly at him before slowly walking away. And he was really confused, so he got up and went to my room to ask what I wanted, but nobody was there.

• 54:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dye your hair? What the heck?

• 54:54Corinne Vien?

  Are you trying on wigs? I was sleeping over at a friend's house that night. I hadn't been home since the morning. He called me in the middle of the night, panicked, asking where I was. I told him, I'm at my friend's house. And he went silent before asking, then how did you just walk past my room? I told him, I have not been home all day. He later told me his heart completely sank after hearing that.

• 55:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fantastic.

• 55:17Corinne Vien?

  As for my mother, she had multiple unexplained scratch marks appear across her body. She also was woken up unable to breathe, feeling something pressing down on her neck while something heavy sat on her chest, choking her while she was trying to sleep.

• 55:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great.

• 55:32Corinne Vien?

  This house is the type of place that even if you don't believe in the paranormal, if you spend enough time here, you'll start questioning everything. I've had countless friends and family members stay over who were complete nonbelievers. And every single one of them left disturbed or questioning what they just experienced.

• 55:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fantastic.

• 55:49Corinne Vien?

  Unfortunately, I still live in this home.

• 55:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, if there's any skeptics out there, go stay with Maddie.

• 55:55Corinne Vien?

  Stay with Maddie. I eventually did research on the property and I found out that two people had previously died here in the upstairs part of the townhouse where we used to live. I now live downstairs. I experience far less activity than before, but my mother and stepfather still experience things regularly. At this point, I truly hope that whatever is in the house eventually passes on and leaves my family alone.

• 56:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like at this point, they, they're here to stay.

• 56:23Corinne Vien?

  Seems like it from Maddie. It does feel like there's multiple things going on. Like I feel like the woman that just kind of like walked by her, like that could have been someone who had passed.

• 56:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Corinne Vien?

  But I don't know, all these other ones, like the mimics, the amount of mimicry and the scratching and like the sitting on the chest or sitting up on the dresser, the choking, like that is, it's scary. Bits of that have been in every email we've read so far. Like that's poltergeist activity.

• 56:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah, I don't love that. But I love demon stories. I love, I love that you've experienced it so that we can read it, but I hate that you've experienced it for your sake.

• 56:54Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 56:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know? And if you like these stories as much as I do, if you're as sick as I am, fantastic. We have an extra one for you over on Patreon and I'll give you a little tease. It's another Ouija board story. But this time it's a group of girls in a mental hospital who created and made their own Ouija board and activated some serious shit in.

• 57:17Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 57:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The hospital.

• 57:19Corinne Vien?

  Did it happen on Halloween night? I feel like that's such a Halloween thing to do.

• 57:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It feels very like Girl Interrupted or what's the, is that the one where they're in the mental hospital?

• 57:28Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 57:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, Girl Interrupted meets like Charmed.

• 57:32Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 57:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So yeah, join us on Patreon for that one. Um, and then if not, we'll see you next week. We have more. One more very haunting October encounters episode coming up for you.

• 57:43Corinne Vien?

  Oh, there's some good ones.

• 57:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's some really good ones in that one. But until then, you can watch us on YouTube. You can rate and review us wherever you listen to your podcasts. Please tell your friends and family about us. This is our season. Let's get everyone into the pyramid. Get sucked. We haven't said that in a while.

• 58:00Corinne Vien?

  Get sucked. Two girls, one ghost.

• 58:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're appropriate. And also if you want content ad free and one week early plus bonus content, like we're saying this extra story and so much more like book club, witch class and whatnot, you can join us on Patreon for that.

• 58:15Corinne Vien?

  And thank you to Jamie Ryan, who has some produces our podcast. And until we see you over on Patreon or next week, we will see you on the other side.

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