Alex Jones Warns of the Globalist Death Cult Fueling the Next Civil War and Rise of the Antichrist

Alex Jones on what happens next. (00:00) An Update on the Russia/Ukraine War (07:40) Why Is the US Government Still Supporting Zelensky? (12:13) The Smear Campaigns Meant to Destroy Anti-War Voices (20:03) Is There a Coordinated Effort to Destroy the US Dollar? (43:35) How Do We Stop the Oncoming War Before It’s Too Late? (1:10:05) What Happened to Kanye West? Paid partnerships with: Masa Chips: Get 25% off with code TUCKER at https://masachips.com/tucker MeriwetherFarms: Visit https://MeriwetherFarms.com/Tucker and use code TUCKER10 for an extra 10% off. Cowboy Colostrum: Get 25% off your entire order with code TUCKER at https://cowboycolostrum.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Tucker Carlson?

  Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen, really glad to have you back.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  It's always great to be with you and your wonderful crew in Florida, but Maine is my favorite. This is truly a little slice of Mayberry.

• 0:41Tucker Carlson?

  Mildly demented Mayberry. Um, thank you.

• 1:04Tucker Carlson?

  So what, everyone's been focused on Israel, Gaza, the huge debate about Israel and the United States, um, which is great, fine, but we sort of are ignoring other things that are happening here and abroad as we have that debate. And one of the things that seems to be happening that fewer Americans are aware of is the situation Russia seems to be getting between Russia and Ukraine and the United States and Europe, NATO, seems to be degrading quickly. Where is that going, do you think?

• 1:32Speaker 02

  It's an extreme escalatory phase, three and a half plus years in. As you know, Trump says he's strongly considering giving them long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles. And Russia has said that that escalates into direct war and they're basically calling it World War IV. The CIA called the Cold War World War III. So we are really in with all the ingredients we have with China, the North Korean troops being in Ukraine, all the different proxy countries involved. This is really is a new world war. The only question is, will it continue to escalate, which it is now, in the next phase? We know that NATO...

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Has already been caught with Zelensky with Ukraine two years ago, shooting missiles into Poland, they tried to blame on Russia. There's been those drones that they claim came out of Russia, but Russia says it's basically a setup. A few months ago, you have Operation Spider Web three months ago with smuggled drones as far as 4,000 miles away from Ukraine in Russia on its coast with Japan with their bear bombers being blown up, part of their nuclear triad. So imagine if that happened in America and imagine if Russia had given Mexico the drones to do it. So, so all of this is NATO trying to suck the United States directly into full conflict. They've got a quarter million person army

• 2:54Speaker 02

  conscription, starting up in parts of Europe and a sentence of quote, peacekeeping force to Ukraine, really calling an invasion force, a peacekeeping force. And then now, as I predicted, it was the next move. NATO claims that Russia is going into the zero phase or zero hour and that NATO is now putting out propaganda the last 48 hours that Russia has prepositioned undercover, that's not special forces all over Europe, preparing terror attacks and mass casualty events, and that Russia is preparing to attack Europe proper, which of course is completely insane to do that offensively. And so that fits the pattern

• 3:37Speaker 02

  of the preparation for false flags that will then be blamed on Russia as the pretext to invoke the articles in NATO that brings NATO directly into war. And then the United States is still part of NATO. That will drag us directly into war with Russia that will quickly escalate into thermonuclear war in every major war game there is. That's why I agree with Elon Musk and Senator Lee that it's time for us to get out of NATO.

• 3:59Tucker Carlson?

  Immediately. If you take three steps back, so Europe has no reason to fight Russia at all. Europe has every reason to cooperate with Russia, at least on energy, but on a lot of things, probably. It refuses, Russia's now formed an alliance, probably permanent with China. And so, and Ukraine, of course, can't win. They don't have the manpower. They never could. So if you're escalating the war at this point, if you're promoting the war at this point, it seems to me your goal is to destroy Europe. And I think that's kind of always been the goal, to destroy Europe and the United States.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Well, as you stated, it was been the policy in the United States since the 50s, right through Nixon, right through Reagan, right through Herbert Walker Bush, right until just the last five years or so, to split China from Russia.

• 4:49Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  And that is a very good policy, and you have China that is actually expanding all over the South China Sea, just cut off 95% of rarest minerals to the world, including the US, serious act of war, absolutely vital in everything we do, for folks who don't know. Nothing works, cell phones, computers, avionics and aircraft, everything, satellites is based on those. That's all their question, how is China allowed to position itself for 95% plus control of rare minerals? That's a serious act of war. So their expansion is taking islands of the Philippines, taking drilling rigs, you know, off the coast of Vietnam. All that's happening, they just put a communist government or trying to fully in South Korea. So China is on the move, and everything should be focused on them. It is a strategic blunder

• 5:32Speaker 02

  of biblical proportions to be roped into this Soros NATO war. But NATO and the EU unelected commission has said for years that Europe's demographics and finances are the worst of any first world nation or sector. And so they say their business model is a 20 to 30 year war, conventional with Russia that they believe will allow them to stay on a war economy and will finally break Russia, and then they will break Russia into five parts. That's official EU Commission policy. It's totally delusional. Russia's out-producing weapons three to one, has three times the troops to the field and only gearing up. And so in the face of that delusional plan, similar to Napoleon's or Hitler's with Operation Barbarossa in 42, Europe is trying to double down again and sucking us in. But when all

• 6:16Speaker 02

  the real strategists and even all their think tanks say this wouldn't work, then the question is why is the unelected commission and the US neocons and left fully supporting this commitment to total war?

• 6:28Tucker Carlson?

  Because they want to destroy Christian civilization, that's why. That's why they got behind the First and Second World Wars, and it's why the lesson that they taught us in school was that it's dangerous to have a big white Christian country, which it's not, actually. And they've systematically tried to destroy those countries, and they've succeeded.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  And Russia is a very Christian nation, very pro-Western, and the left hates that. And so now they, they exactly, how do they turn over the chessboard when the Hollywood, satanic, globalist, black rock a leader failing is you kamikaze the Russians and America and Europe into a giant climactic war while the globalists sit back and watch us all kill each other?

• 7:05Tucker Carlson?

  Totally right. I think that's totally right. Why are we participating in it? Why would the US government ever send long range missiles? Why would it basically if we send those munitions to Ukraine, we're at open war. We've been at war with Russia for three and a half years, as you know, but that would just be open war. Why would, why would we go along with that? What is going on?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  It's sleepwalking in Armageddon. Well, Europe's demographics and financial system means the unelected EU will collapse in the next few years. It's politically unpopular. So the political reason is they believe a war will keep them in power and it's delusional. That's the last refuge of tyrants when they're falling is to, is to take the country to war to try to maintain domestic control. But again, at a spiritual level, it's, it's, it's absolute Satanism. It's, it's absolute death cult, death wish that if the globalists can't maintain control, they'll just drag us into the grave of history with themselves. And like so many tyrannies, they are going like the elephant graveyard or boneyard to Russia to die.

• 8:09Tucker Carlson?

  Why would the US government continue to recognize Zelensky, who's an unelected dictator who's worked for years to destroy Christianity in Ukraine, which is a Christian country and has always been. Why would he be invited to the White House this week? I don't understand when he's, he does not have a democratic mandate. He's not an elected leader. He's a murderer. They've sold our weapons to some of the worst terror groups in the world and we're treating him like he's a head of state? Like, why are we doing that?

• 8:41Speaker 02

  And just what a few weeks ago, three weeks ago, he was back at the White House and Trump then posted through social and I love Trump overall, but Trump started doing a 180 from saying, we need to get out of this and saying, well, we're out of it, but we'll sell whatever weapons of Europe you want. And I feel like Ukraine's going to win and maybe not just get back its territory, but get more territory, meaning Russia, which is extremely provocative and escalatory statement to Russia. And we know that Putin agreed actually to the framework of what Trump wanted, but Zelensky and NATO have refused. And so we have to ask the calculus of why the president. Mr. Peace Prize has done a great job helping in seven other conflicts, which I totally support. Why is he suddenly changing course, Tucker? You know a lot better than I do.

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• 12:34Tucker Carlson?

  Why the attraction to Zelensky? Why does our foreign policy class or donor class have this fixation on Zelensky? He's a hero. By the way, I've tried to interview him like 20 times. He refused to do an interview with me, but he's everywhere in the United States. Basically, American at this point. Why the... What's the appeal there?

• 12:52Speaker 02

  I think it's the money laundering appeal and the fact that that's where most of the money laundering is still able to go on since Trump and Doge and Elon shut down a lot of the graft in USAID and the EPA and Department of Energy. That clearly that is a place where they can launder money and where they can go over there and be like rock stars in Kiev and have all the prostitutes. The rest of it, reportedly, it's Sanaa Meghorma over there. The women are just partying. All the men, boys, and old men go off to die. It's a very, very sick situation and...

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Just the heights of decadence, you know, we, we've heard the quote of Marie Antoinette, which they never proved she said it, where they're about to storm the Bastille, the start of the first revolution. And they said, the peasants are all starving, you know, they're begging for grain, they're begging for wheat, and she says, let them eat cake, and then you saw what happened. Well, this is literally, uh, let them eat cake while our country's infrastructure falls apart, while millions die from fentanyl, uh, while crime is rampant in the streets. Uh, we have all this money being sent over to Ukraine. And look, I don't like sending money to Israel, I'm not anti-Israel in general, I don't, I'm not against the existence of Israel, but that sucks all the oxygen out of the room. And all people talk about is the 50,000 dead Gazans in, in, in October 7th, where clearly Netanyahu stood down, that should be investigated, but what about the million plus conservatively dead in and around Ukraine?

• 14:11Speaker 02

  And, and what about its potential and now probability on the current trajectory of escalation to lead into full world war and nuclear war? That to me is why it's absolutely the front and center, uh, issue. And, uh, you know, the TV cameras are all turned on Gaza, which is fine, uh, but the scale of Ukraine and its potential danger is in a whole nother league.

• 14:34Tucker Carlson?

  It is, isn't it? That's my sense. Why is no one saying that?

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I noticed you get called an anti semi, which is absolutely preposterous and ridiculous. That's why the Israel lobby, both AIPAC and the ADL are such jokes now and being...

• 14:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's just, that's a campaign run out of Israel, which is a foreign country to slander me and others. I just don't want to go to war with Iran. It's that simple.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  But see, you're consistent, you, you, you, you, you apologize, you bought into the propaganda decades ago. I remember about 15 years ago, you came to see me in Austin, and you were kind of doing your tour of your own, you know, your apology tour that you came up with, which I admire, I've made mistakes too and done that. And you said, I'm done, I was lied to about WMDs, you said, hey, Building 7, when we first talked about that, I've really woken up that, that, that, that, that I was drinking the Kool-Aid and I'm done. And you've consistently, for what, 15 years now or longer, have, have, have basically the same policies I'm for. And when I'm against Israel pulling us into war with Iran, it's not because I hate Jews, it's because we understand how dangerous it is and how out of control it is, and how Netanyahu's wanted this for 25 years and helped found Hamas or fund Hamas.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  And, and, you know, all of this, and they just put Al Qaeda in charge of Syria. So, so you're, so again, and you're also not being... Anti Ukrainian or anti, you know,

• 15:49Tucker Carlson?

  I feel so sorry for the Ukrainians. They got completely screwed by the West as usual.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  So, so exactly. So you're consistent that you don't want offensive wars with the US involved. And that China is literally saying, prepare for total war and expanding into the Caribbean and trying to take the Panama Canal. We don't want war with China either. But if we're tied up in all these wars, we don't have peace through strength. All hands should be on deck for China. Everything should be mobilized for China. Every real analyst knows that. And, and so you're here with, with serious policy, serious research, serious background saying, we can't be in Netanyahu's sandbox. And then blowing up more countries and shipping refugees.

• 16:27Tucker Carlson?

  It's an irrelevant country. It's nine million people with no resources. Everyone loves Jerusalem and Bethlehem. That's great. But the country itself means absolutely nothing. It's like, it's like Malawi. Why are we spending all of our time talking about this irrelevant country? It's like bizarre.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  And then that's why I brought it up is, is because we need to talk about it in my view in, in the real context that, that the, the ultra right wing, you know, that thinks everything's Israel, all roads lead to Israel. I saw you talk about this a few weeks ago. It's sick. It's, it's crazy. It's not a defense of Israel.

• 16:56Tucker Carlson?

  No, of course not.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's, it's a defense of reality. We have to somehow only spend 10% of our time on Israel. I mean, I mean, right now, and here I am doing it, spending, but you have to do it. Instead of literally, I think in talk radio and liberal blogosphere and everywhere, I think it's like 90% is on Israel right now and it's, it's sick.

• 17:13Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  And I think Netanyahu likes it. He loves being the center of attention.

• 17:16Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, and loves feeling hated and, you know, we're, I'm so persecuted and all this stuff. It's like, I totally agree with you. And it's also unhealthy. And then, you know, it does get to a place where people become hateful and that, you know, that's not good for anybody.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Well, if you look at it, the little Levon affair and the US's liberty and so other things. Uh, Israel is very capable with different leadership. It's had two-stage false flags at Pakistan. And, and if you really study 9/11. And at the end of the day, it was an alliance of Israeli neocons, US neocons, that bare minimum used an attack to build a larger attack around it for the project for American Century to take us into the Pax Americana War in the Middle East.

• 18:01Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  And that's where we, you know, $10 trillion later, whatever it is, I think it's 11 trillion or more are in this.

• 18:07Tucker Carlson?

  That's not a theory. I was there. I, I mean, I shared office space for the project for New American Century. I worked at the Weekly Standard. So yes, that is just a fact. That happened. I don't think, I mean, if we're reaching the point where people's memories are so bad that counts as a conspiracy theory, then I just give up. Does Wikipedia call that a conspiracy theory?

• 18:26Speaker 02

  No, but you know, they call neocons or if you talk about neocons, that's anti-Semitic. Well, yeah, about half the neocons were Jewish, but the fact is they're crazy war mongers that believe the end justifies the mean. And if you want to get further back, Trotsky got kicked out by Stalin and he ran to Mexico. Stalin had him hunted down and killed by an assassin with an Isax. And then all of his top people came to the US, became the neocons and said, we're going to take over the Republican Party and we're going to go to war with Russia to get back control of what's ours. Because Trotsky was supposed to replace Lenin when he died, but instead he got kicked out. And so it is a fact, historical fact, even the Wall Street Journal 20 years ago wrote about it, that when you look at

• 19:09Speaker 02

  the Weekly Standard and you look at the neocons, they are, they are literal Trotskyite communists from the Russian derivation that set up neoconism. And then you had Cheney and Rumsfeld and others that weren't Jewish, but were large parts of the neocon system. And so that's why Netanyahu plugged into that so nicely because he came out of the neocons in the 1970s and 80s.

• 19:34Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's, that's all just a fact. That's not, I mean, there's nothing hidden or creepy about it, about saying it.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if the British had come over here with a group of communists taking over the Republican Party, I'd be against it. I mean, my last name's Jones. It's just, it is what it is and it's out of control.

• 19:51Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  And now people are awake to it and that's a good thing. And we need to dismantle, undo any foreign influence. I'm just simply saying that's a big problem, but nothing compared to Communist China. But it becomes the biggest problem when the Israel lobby doesn't want the pivot to Asia that's taken us 16 years to do and still hasn't happened. And instead, the same lobbies are involved with Soros and the left allied, the neocons, wanting a war with Russia that empowers China. It is strategically a total disaster. No one even debates that at all. The top thing, as you know, this is, this is 101, folks. This is absolute total disaster. It is, literally. Why the dollar is getting weak. It's why BRICS is getting stronger. This is what you do if you want to destroy America. And I agree with Tucker.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  At the end of the day, it's because the evil forces above this want to destroy the West.

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• 23:04Tucker Carlson?

  Christian civilization, of course. The first, second world wars were that, that was it. That's not pro Hitler. I'm anti Hitler, just for the record, very anti Hitler. But the effect was to destroy like the most beautiful civilization ever created by far in history, all history. And this is the final blow. It seems very, very obvious, very obvious to me, and we should be aware of that as we proceed. When gold crosses 4,000, I don't understand why that's not like front page news. Because to me, that maybe, I mean, you're better at this than I, but that means that the cumulative effect of everything we're discussing has been to destroy the US dollar.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  When you read what even all Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, the IMF, the World Bank, the XM Bank, it's not even debated. They've decided in the last really three, four years that they're gonna deal with monetary debt worldwide, both corporate, governmental, individual, with inflation. And Trump recognizes that and has said, fine, we'll have inflation with expansion and expansion of goods. And all the economists agree that that will have some pain, but overall will be something that could actually be successful. If you have the leftist UN... WEF, Great Reset, post-industrial carbon tax plan, you will have stagflation,

• 24:24Speaker 02

  which is high inflation, but a ongoing recession, depression, which is the perfect storm of hell on earth. And that is what the UN and the globalists directly want, to create a worldwide serf system of more manageable slaves in their official policies, break down the borders with first world and third world, not to rise up the third world economically, but to lower everybody down to a level. Then the globalists say they'll have small, compact city-states and rural city-states, like the Hunger Games, where they have medicine, technology, and everything, and then just basically fly above us, and we're going to be put into a agrarian situation with a much reduced world population. So that's the official Great Reset, post-industrial, June 21, June 2030, policy. And there's nothing more frustrating than reading all their

• 25:08Speaker 02

  policy books and the legislation and the treaties, and then seeing it carried out, which is the purposeful planned depopulation of the earth through slow starvation and resources being restricted, and the conflict that comes with when resources are constricted. And then I see Trump massively increasing energy production, and then going to Saudi Arabia and having them increase energy production, which hurts US oil production, but helps the world in general, lower inflation and get real money in the hands of people. That's the biggest benefit, and then no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, all the things he's doing, 10 trillion committed in investment, several trillion already here. All of that is exactly what you do if you want to help the people and build a middle class and a sustainable,

• 25:51Speaker 02

  thriving country and world, building back our morale and nationalism and the family and God. Trump gets an A+ on all of that, but he needs to get more on message and not say, oh, the left are idiots, they don't know how to manage things. No, the globalists admit that they want a post-industrial world. That's John Kerry said last year, we got to cut off half the farming, or people will starve. That's what causes starvation, obviously. And they want to cut the resources off so they can manage and control people. That's why in the Netherlands and in Ireland and in Sri Lanka, all over, they're cutting off massive amounts of the farming, taking some of the best farming land ever and saying, Sorry, your cows pass gas, it's bad for the earth. That is deliberate sabotage of the, of the world economy to cause a collapse.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Then the banksters can loan us more money, bring in a new cashless society, social credit score. That is the end game plan. And they talk about carbon lockdowns for the earth where you'll be told when you can leave your house during carbon lockdowns, you'll be told when you can leave your 15 minute city. This is a very totalitarian hellscape dystopia sci-fi vision they have. And Trump is 95% I would say in opposition to it, even with his limited understanding. He, by limited, I mean, he's smart about the economy, he doesn't understand it's deliberate. And he goes, oh, they're really dumb. These are the worst ideas I ever heard. Is that why they're all unified decades getting them in place? That's that why the big banks and corporations are exempt? No, it's feudalism.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  We don't have resources, we don't have rights, they all have the rights. That is the purest form of economic control. It's the oldest form of government. It's been the most common form of government in world history. And the UN, the globalists say, we're bringing back feudalism, neo feudalistic capitalism is what they call it. But really it's just slavery. And that's what we're opposing. And that's what the relaunch of the West is about. That's what Elon Musk understands. And that's why this is a do or die existential threat to everybody. People should just get on board and get hardcore or be absolute feudal slaves if you're lucky.

• 27:47Tucker Carlson?

  How do you get on board?

• 27:50Speaker 02

  You understand and you research the great reset and you reset, research Larry Fink, now the head of the World Economic Forum. You realize three years ago, the UN made the World Economic Forum co-equal to its governing body and its councils. And you understand if you actually read their writings, the future isn't human, people are bad, families are bad. We're gonna have these AI gods that take over. I mean, it is just the wildest thing that Lex Luthor in a, in a comic book couldn't come up with. This is beyond supervillain stuff. This is real super demon stuff. And you have to identify the attack you're under and that it's deliberate, then you have to mobilize and get good legislatures and governors and others elected. Populists are getting elected all over the world. People are really waking up to this.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  And we have now these attorney generals winning court cases in Texas and other places. We're BlackRock. Tried to come in and say, we're not going to have any investment in your state. Uh, if you don't get rid of fossil fuels and we, and then Texas sued Kim Paxton and said, this is racketeering. This is illegal. They won the court cases. It is. Uh, cause Larry Fink says this is about control and we're going to control you. Uh, and, and they control us by managing our money. Well, now a bunch of states are pulling their pension funds from BlackRock. And now Larry Fink is singing a different tune, at least publicly. And they pulled some of their DEI and some of the ESG stuff, which is the corporate governance. When you wonder why, whether you're in Australia, Germany, or the US or Canada, it's the same policies, the same programs, the same drag queen story times, the same take a knee during the national anthem.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  All of this comes out of them, literally trying to demoralize us because if we have a free, open society, people around the world are going to want that. And you can't have a control group where there's some free prosperous Western nations. Everybody else slaves under BlackRock and the globalists. That's why you've got to take down the West. So there's nowhere to run.

• 29:35Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's, I think that's exactly right. You, you can't have different systems, radically different systems in a globalized world. Can you?

• 29:44Speaker 02

  No. And so exactly. So there's a fight between, do you want the 1984 civilization or do you want the 1776 civilization? 1776 isn't going back. It's back to the future. It was the flower of the Renaissance and the greatest expression of hundreds and hundreds of years of the great awakening and of, of the enlightenment. And so it's a continuation of that. We have to get back to the future, back to the avant garde, back to what produces the most freedom, the most wealth. Classical liberalism of Thomas Jefferson. Now, modern liberalism is totalitarian, anti-family, anti-speech, uh, anti-self-defense, anti-private property. The, modern liberalism is a totalitarian, death cult, transhumanist, poison to sabotage human civilization.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  It's a depopulation program. 1776 is the, is the ultimate, most successful push of humans to produce the very best atmosphere of liberty and freedom and competition and empowerment. The problem is in the cycle, as you know, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times. The problem is, is that are we good enough? It was Benjamin Franklin, right? If they finally, you know, years later, after the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Constitution, you know, finally got the Bill of Rights done. And he was walking out and the newspaper reporter said, Mr. Franklin, you know, do we now finally have our nation? And he said, yes, you have your republic if you can keep it. And he said, and so did Jefferson.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  He said, you gotta have informed, involved, educated people. And Jefferson wrote about this constantly. He said, not just informed about math or Latin, but you've gotta have people that are farmers. You gotta have, you know, people that, that actually know how to skin a buck and run a trot line. He said, if you get, ever get people where they're not physically out there, able to run and control their whole lives, the, the so-called education doesn't matter because they're just educated idiots. So you've gotta have that multifacetedness where, you know, people have to really, and people think of that as work. No, it's, it's empowering to really try to be what Thomas Jefferson talked about. And then when you go through what Jefferson went through, some of us have gone through similar things now, not to that extent, but close.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Then you read Jefferson, you realize we're back in that same time of change and revolution again. It's our revolution. We have the ball. We're selling the best system. We have the proven track record. We're the good guys and we've gotta stand up and make the choices clear, plant our flag and say, this is the hill to die on and we will win.

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• 34:25Tucker Carlson?

  The way to derail that kind of response, that kind of consciousness is by creating like total chaos in your country. And the second that happens, the second it's dangerous to drive on I-95 or I-5, then people can't think clearly at all and they just become purely reactive.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Or have COVID lockdowns.

• 34:46Tucker Carlson?

  Or COVID lockdowns.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  And put masks on little kids.

• 34:47Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. And I think you've described the Trump record right, like, you know, moving in the right direction, flaws, but moving in the right direction. The way to derail all of that is not the midterm elections. It's some kind of civil strife. Do you, do you think that's coming?

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Well, Russia was right to lead off with. I didn't know we were gonna lead off with, but I think that was the most important thing. We didn't really talk much for this. And the next place I wanted to go was the Podesta Plan.

• 35:16Tucker Carlson?

  What is the Podesta Plan?

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Well, when I talk about this, I get chills because.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  In August of 2020, Breitbart wrote about it. Daily Caller wrote about it, but the New York Times wrote about it first. And Podesta does this big Democrat Party war game.

• 35:34Tucker Carlson?

  Which Podesta, John?

• 35:35Speaker 02

  John Podesta.

• 35:36Tucker Carlson?

  Former White House Chief of Staff, yep.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And then, and then later, the climate czar for Biden, or giving up the climate money, stealing it. He, he comes out of this huge report, they published the whole thing. And I'm, I'm reading like this, it was like 70 pages or something. And they say, if Trump wins in 2020, this is in August, months before, which they were able to steal it, so he didn't. He said, we're gonna have Western states secede. We're gonna have blue cities secede, but we'll start with the Western states, California, Oregon, and Washington. And we'll call it over migrants and sanctuary cities and healthcare at first, which they're now doing, I'm getting chills, because it's all happening. Like, you, you, you go to a play and you're reading, oh, the next act is this, and Romeo

• 36:22Speaker 02

  and Juliet, I mean, it's all right there. And they say, if he wins, we will say it's illegitimate. We will have blue states first secede, that they're gonna be sanctuary cities for the illegals. Then, when there's civil unrest, which they'll furnish, Trump will send the National Guard, and then there'll be a massacre of the migrants. And then, we will kick off a civil war, then all the blue cities across the country will secede, then New York, Massachusetts, and others will secede. And we'll form what we call the Western Alliance. And we will then, the, the US military will be with us, because they, they control the generals, people that think that, don't think otherwise, that was Trump's big mistake, he found out.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Most of them are globalists, the top, not your enlisted, they're great people. And that they would then form a military alliance if Trump didn't stand down, and they would march on DC. And then they made a movie produced two years ago, they released last year called Civil War, that is the last act of the Podesta plan. That's, that's in a two-plus-year civil war race-based. At the end, they go and, you know, the black female sergeant kills the Trumpian figure in the White House. And that's because evil white people are not massacring brown people across the country. So the US military reconvenes under Gavin Newsom's command type. And then, then, then they come in and then they take over the country and then they re-educate all the evil right-wingers and evil white people.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  And then I saw Gavin Newsom on Colbert about three weeks ago and he said, oh, we're forming, and they hold a map up the Western Alliance, and it's for migrants and healthcare, and we're getting ready to go on offense, and Colbert goes, ah, he does that demon face, goes, ah, and, and, and the whole crowd goes, ah, because they're all read in on this. We have countless videos at rallies in Austin and Denver and New York where the left goes, soon Trump and Homan will kill a bunch of us, and when they do, that's when the uprising begins. So they're all read in on this. They all know it is the Podesta plan. They all know it's the Western Alliance. They all know it's the Western offense. And so you have the Soros NGO-funded No Kings events, like they had on the 14th of June,

• 38:30Speaker 02

  when the guy that worked for Tampon Tim went around reportedly, you know, killing senators and state reps there at the state level. He later told the FBI and wrote a letter saying, no, I did this for the Democrats. It's a false flag, so, so, so that Tim Walz could, you know, play victim. He supposedly had a bunch of accomplices, but they didn't help him. They caught his wife and a bunch of people with passports, guns, and money, you know, fleeing the area. But within two hours of the attack, they had his roommate on TV saying, oh, he loved Trump and Alex Jones. Isn't that interesting? It's all very scripted. But, but, but my point is now you have the No Kings this weekend, and, and, and we now

• 39:10Speaker 02

  have Schumer on Monday went on MSNBC and said, we need to have a forceful uprising. We need to have a forceful uprising. What's the exact quote? My producer's over there. So, so this is, this is chilling, and he said he wants to keep the shutdown going at least until next Saturday, the 18th, to get the maximum amount of anger that they can get. You have Akeem Jeffrey saying similar things. So they're not even hiding any of this anymore.

• 39:50Tucker Carlson?

  So the idea is to whip their supporters into a frenzy, basically do BLM five years later?

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Yes, but on a, on a much wider scale. And so when you have, here, I'll put the actual quote. When you actually have, because I have it posted on my actual show, when you have these guys openly saying this, I mean, this is a bigger deal as it gets. I mean, this is just, I'm, I'm.

• 40:12Tucker Carlson?

  When Chuck Schumer, Senator Chuck Schumer.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Forceful uprising. I want to get it exactly right. Forceful uprising.

• 40:20Tucker Carlson?

  Chuck Schumer called for a forceful uprising?

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Forceful uprising because of the indictment of Letitia James on mortgage fraud.

• 40:28Tucker Carlson?

  But I mean, it sounds like Letitia James committed mortgage fraud.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Well, they're only gone after in Virginia so far. New York's, as you know, is even worse. And what's crazy is we have all the public documents, total fraud, like four residences as primary residence, residences that she says are single family homes and there's five people, five apartments in it. And this is serious fraud. So everything she accused Trump of doing baselessly, she's now doing, and she's the chief.

• 40:54Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's always the way, Alex, isn't it?

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Exactly. The total inversion. So everything they've accused Trump of is what they're actually doing. And then she's been caught and now they're whining. CNN the other day said, well, everybody engages in mortgage fraud. Well, I don't.

• 41:10Tucker Carlson?

  No, I, I don't engage in mortgages and much less fraud. No, but it is always just like when Bill Kristol accused me of backing an ethno state. I was like, no, I'm not the one who backs the ethno state. Um, so Chuck Schumer saying a forceful uprising is called, he wants a forceful uprising.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  He called this weekend for a forceful uprising, close quote, on MSNBC. He goes, we need to have a forceful uprising to this. Similar to his, you know, you've reaped the whirlwind thing and you're going to get it. So they're obviously agitating for more violence. You see the governor candidate in Virginia after the AG candidate who's been in the lead, you know, said, I want to kill these state reps. I want to kill their children. I want to kill cops. And then they, the other gubernatorial candidate asked the lady, will you decry him calling for killing members of the legislature and their children by name? And she said, nope.

• 42:07Tucker Carlson?

  Tabigail Spanberger.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Tucker Carlson?

  I think it was a CIA officer at one point.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  It's totally insane. And she sits there with this bizarre look on her face. I mean, these people are doing this on purpose and it's called the Podesta plan. And so I'm sure the Pentagon knows about this. The problem is most of those top generals are globalists. People that don't know, they've been put through all the schools. They don't get promoted unless they're globalists. Most of our generals have been bad since the 90s. Uh, they teach them at the Army War College. I've read these reports that literally America needs to end. We need to be part of a world government. Uh, the communism is good.

• 42:40Tucker Carlson?

  So let's just narrow it down. If you really believe that widespread civil unrest preparatory to civil war is coming. If Chuck Schumer, you know, one of the senior senators, um, is calling for it. Then you really need to make sure the military is under control. That it's not politicized, that it's not, you know, that it reports to the president as it's constitutionally mandated to do. Like the military is the key, correct?

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Yes, and I loved excess speech and that's the right direction. But we need more of that. And a lot of the generals were rolling their eyes, giggling, uh, putting their heads in their hands. And I guarantee you, just go, okay, who's that guy? Look at his record, he's going to be a commie, a leftist.

• 43:20Tucker Carlson?

  But wouldn't you, I mean, it would be a, almost an emergency situation. You would need to make certain that the general officers in your military were loyal to the constitution.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Exactly. And, and the left and the corporate media act like if Trump wants prosecutions, he's not supposed to do that. No, he's a chief law enforcement officer. We elected him for that. We elect one man in the, in the general election. You know, all of us vote, have an ability to vote for, you know, for only one position. And so it's not Trump's right, it's his duty. It's only the president that makes a special oath, not to just protect, preserve and defend. You know, but protect and defend like the rest of the military do, but to protect and preserve and defend. He's supposed to preserve the republic. So 400 troops to. Chicago, 200 to Portland, this is nothing. They're openly waiting to gear up the violence.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Then they're gonna false flag, I believe. Some of the illegal aliens or traditional black college, which I predicted this before, they evacuated the traditional black colleges a month ago. I didn't even know that. Why? And said Charlie Kirk supporters are coming to kill you. Then it turned out it was a false flag. They admitted fake calls. That's the left. Because they, Carville and Podesta and all of them, John Podesta have said on TV, now that they've gone live with the Podesta plan, when Trump was president-elect, and then once, you know, he got in, there's hundreds of videos of them, all on there saying, Carville, now listen, it's 1776, part two, I can't really do his voice, can't do a Louisiana voice, sorry. He said, black people gotta be ready. Trump's coming to kill you with Tom Homan. You gotta have your guns and be ready. The

• 44:56Speaker 02

  View, we gotta be ready to fight and die, they're coming to kill us. On CNN, you know, they'll be, you know, sitting there debating, yeah, Trump's coming with the military to kill black people and Hispanics. Then I think, well, where could there be a group of Hispanics, an illegal alien demonstration or something, then somebody from a parking garage mows a bunch of them down, blames it on some Trump supporter, or where's that, where is a bunch of black folks by themselves, traditional black college? So I've been saying that for eight, nine months, seeing their programming, how they're saying Trump's gonna kill masses of Hispanics and blacks. Well, where can they do a false flag, those two places, and a few others. Then, a month ago, they evacuated most of the black colleges for a week, saying Charlie Kirk supporters are coming to kill you. Trying to piggyback on that and create

• 45:39Speaker 02

  this illusion that Trump supporters blamed black people for this. No, we blamed, if you believe the official story, some, you know, trans, trans supporter, cult member. So, so absolutely going back to your point, there needs to be Pentagon mobilization, Trump needs to address the nation on this, talk about the Podesta plan, any of his crew, I could send it to him, can put a reel together. Like he did when they said no South African farmers are being killed. He just showed a five minute video devastated them. I can send them a 10 minute clip, clip, clip of hundreds of clips of top Democrats saying Trump's coming to kill the migrants. He's coming to kill the blacks. We gotta rise up. We gotta have a civil war. And then I can show the quotes from the Podesta plan laying this out. This is the official Democrat Party battle plan

• 46:23Speaker 02

  with production movies, $350 million budgets, civil war, promoting it. Now the new movie, Battle After Battle with DiCaprio, where it's set in a fictional fantasy land in the US where they have this hot sex and it's so awesome. And they go around with plastic explosives and dynamite machine guns, killing ICE officers all over the US and freeing Hispanics from concentration camps. So Hollywood's not, you know, making its constant Holocaust movies about World War II. They've moved on to the new Holocaust that isn't happening. The first one did of, you know, just Tom Homan, just machine gunning Hispanic women and then raping them in dungeons. I mean, it's like Machete Kills where there's Don Johnson shooting pregnant Hispanic women with the stomach with deer rifles. Didn't

• 47:08Speaker 02

  happen, folks. But Hollywood is providing this background right on time for these uprisings. There's planning because the globalists are losing. This is their last big move. And I'll say it again, the Podesta plan, the Podesta plan, we've got to get the Podesta plan that we're now living in the launch of in front. So Trump's declared Antifa, domestic terrorists, international terrorists. He said it. They're going after Soros, which I know the DOJ is. That's great. But this, this is the Democratic Party running it. That's why they say Antifa doesn't exist, because we got documents 10 years ago through Friends of Democracy and Alexander Soros, where they command them in each city, give them orders

• 47:48Speaker 02

  where to attack, what to do. It is all 100 specifically roadmaped out, open and shut, racketeering, domestic terrorism, send them to prison with the documents we have.

• 48:01Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, since it's all happening out in the open, how do you, so, so, once that starts, it's pretty hard to pull back from it. You know, violence has its own logic and it makes people totally unreasonable and it does so generationally and it's just like the worst thing ever. How do you stop that?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  You have all these entitled illegal aliens. You see the videos every day where ICE has to wait outside the state courthouses or jails when they're releasing some guy with, you know, huge rap sheet, been deported before and his wife and baby will be in the car. And then the ICE comes over, like two or three of them and says, hey, get out of the car. We know who you are. They go, no, no, no. Then a mob comes over and starts attacking ICE. We've seen these countless videos. The underdog is ICE. They've got less than 10,000 agents with 20 plus million illegals just under Biden here. And to answer your question, the left is so entitled that these illegal aliens aren't illegal alien MS-13 people from El Salvador. No, they're Maryland man. And so Trump has to address it and explain

• 49:01Speaker 02

  to people that these illegal aliens, the Islamicists, the left, the Black Lives Matter, the Trantifa, the Tranny Antifa, they are all in one big coalition. They all communicate with their rhetoric and their attack plans and they're all saying that as soon as they have the catalyzing event where a bunch of their people get massacred. It's in movies, it's in the Podesta plan. I've got countless videos. You see them all the time where out at the rally, they go, you just wait till Trump kills a bunch of us. And then once we have that pretext, even MSNBC said, our constituents want blood. They want a triggering event. I mean, they're just like, once the triggering event comes, you're all dead. We're burning everything down and we're coming to your houses. And Antifa and these other

• 49:44Speaker 02

  groups have targeted lists that have come out of whose houses they're going to. Governors, talk show hosts, everybody. Tucker is on the list. I'm on the list. We've caught them outside my house, folks. Okay. I'm just gonna leave it at that. I haven't stayed at my house in much. It's gotten that bad. I mean, I stay there.

• 50:00Tucker Carlson?

  You haven't stayed at your house?

• 50:01Speaker 02

  I don't stay at my house anymore. My, my, my, I stay there sometimes. My children don't. Because, I mean, they're there. It's targeted. And as soon as they kick this off, there are people that are first on the list that they're planning to come get. Because I'm not trying to, you know, this, Tucker, you're smart. When they really launch this, and it's not gonna be them knocking your door down in DC. It's gonna be a, you know, group of meth heads rolling up with Molotov cocktails. And, and, and they've got these undercover videos in Austin and Portland and everywhere. Hours of them and it shows inside these warehouses where they give them drugs and money and food and the NGOs and they're just all in there ramped up and ready with guns and weapons and then just as soon as they give them the green light, they are gonna just

• 50:42Speaker 02

  pile in their vans and come to kill. Think of Helter Skelter times 10,000. Think of the Manson family times 10,000. They've got Manson family groups in every major city and most small towns, literally that would make the cast of Chainsaw Massacre look like choirboys, ready to go.

• 50:59Tucker Carlson?

  Right. Yeah, of course. I mean, these, these are the shock troops of whatever the nihilists, the atheists, of course. That's always the way it works. I just, I don't see that anything's been done about any of this.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Well, I think Trump is smart, but he's so insulated his whole life, you know, in golf courses and the presidency and all that. He's gone through a lot of hell, but he, he's insulated seeing law and order around him and has no idea what it's like for, you know, for me personally. I mean, Austin, where I've lived since high school, used to be a beautiful, safe city. It's everybody's houses get invaded, everybody's cars get broken into. Our reporter in March just got executed in the parking lot of his apartments. And I've said 98% chance it'll be a Hispanic gang banger, a black gang banger, not because I'm being mean to Hispanics or blacks. Well, it turned out I was right on both. Mainstream media said, or legacy media, Jones puts out racist announcement predicts Jamie White would, has been killed by some race-based gang of Hispanics.

• 51:57Tucker Carlson?

  This guy got murdered, but the real problem is that you're a racist?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Yes, and then they.

• 52:01Tucker Carlson?

  No, the real problem is he got murdered.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And, and a mile from my office.

• 52:06Tucker Carlson?

  And who was it?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Well, it turned out I was right on both counts. So, two of them were charged with murder. One, they participated. One is Hispanic and literally on his Facebook had Mexican flags and La Reconquista and Take Over America, Down With America. The other guy cut a rap song, black guy, about how he killed that Jamie White, that white guy, F him. So, they were able to find them off their cell phone data and they were driving a stolen car when they killed him in the parking lot. And but the point was my reporter was killed and both individuals charged with murder. One, the police said it's also racially motivated because they both talked about how they love killing that white guy. So, so we're told there's not these crime waves. We're told this isn't going on.

• 52:51Tucker Carlson?

  There's a lot of that. There's a lot of like, I love to kill white people going on and it's tolerated and celebrated.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Well, remember what happened with Charlie Kirk? I mean, tens of thousands of leftists just saying, kill his family, kill his wife, kill all the Republicans. And then, and then, you know, take this Attorney General candidate that's been in the lead, Jones in Virginia. He said the same thing they keep saying, the same thing that people said about Charlie Kirk's wife, kill her and her kids and her parents because they're all racist because they, they.

• 53:17Tucker Carlson?

  So he's in the, kill the whites, as he said.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Well, he said, he said, kill these legislators and he said by their names and kill their kids.

• 53:23Tucker Carlson?

  All white legislators.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, all white. He said, yeah, kill these white people and kill their kids and then to teach their wife a lesson. So he says, we're literally going to leave your white women.

• 53:33Tucker Carlson?

  This guy's running for Attorney General.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 53:36Tucker Carlson?

  And I think he's still getting, you know, 45% of Democrats supporting him.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  And they won't decry him. And the reason I go back to that, folks, is we've been so taught, it's totally a lie, that only whites can be tribal. All humans are tribal. And because whites.

• 53:51Tucker Carlson?

  Whites don't, whites don't seem tribal at all.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  I was about to say, since whites have had it bred out of us to not be tribal, we're like a dodo bird. True story, dodo birds, you know, they pull up at Galapagos Island. There's this giant bird, twice the size of a turkey, huge amounts of meat on it, never had a natural predator. It just walks right up to sellers. They could just whack it on the head with an oar. And within a few years, there were no more dodo birds. Anybody's ever been around a sanctuary that has big fences around deer that have ever been hunted? They just walk right up to you.

• 54:14Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  It's the same thing. So that's how white Westerners are, is literally like deer being dumped out in northern Canada with wolf packs.

• 54:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm white. I don't feel tribal really at all. I never have thought that way. I mean, in fact, I've tried not to think that way because I think it's, I don't know, bad. It leads to division and war. But yeah, no, they're the only ones who are that way. Everyone else is totally tribal, openly tribal. They're encouraged to be tribal.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Well, that's because in the West, the Renaissance, it was about Christianity and technical skills and what you brought to the table and a meritocracy.

• 54:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  And so we, and so Christians are like, hey, we can bring in other groups if it's a meritocracy, which you can do. And Charlie Kirk, the fake quotes are, black women can't fly planes, they're dumb. Said nothing even close to that. No, he said, "We don't have a big enough pool of black women trying to be pilots. If we had a big enough pool and enough training, they're great, but you can't lower standards." That's not, "Black women are dumb and can't fly planes." But, that's what they do is they, they, they, they misrepresent us and then they create this existential envy, the globalist trillionaire class, so that while we're all fighting with each other, divide and conquer, they can rule over us. It's that simple. Their big fear

• 55:31Speaker 02

  is the classic American system of meritocracy. But if you get rid of the meritocracy and just say, you know, "We're gonna put this guy in who's an illegal alien in, you know, Iowa over a huge school district, uh, and yeah, he doesn't even have a degree of any type, and then when he got busted with guns running from the police, the left came out and rioted and protested and said, "We don't care if he doesn't have a degree. We don't care if he's a liar. We don't care if he's an illegal alien. We want an illegal alien with a criminal record who doesn't even have a high school degree being our superintendent of schools, one of the biggest school districts in the country." I mean, that, they're at war with meritocracy. They're at war with, but oh, there's not a merit, there's meritocracy in the NFL, and the NBA, and in golf, because in sports

• 56:16Speaker 02

  is the final frontier they want to get rid of, because people can see it's about, the whole world really is a meritocracy. And so there are people of every color and group that can excel, but you've got to actually excel. You get rid of meritocracy, civilization collapses. The modern West has been about meritocracy, and that is the unifier. You can have anything you want, you can be anybody you want, but you've gotta be able to execute and perform it.

• 56:41Tucker Carlson?

  Once you get rid of that, then you just revert to tribalism.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 56:45Tucker Carlson?

  Then it's just, "I'm promoting my cousin."

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:48Tucker Carlson?

  Or, "Let's have all my friends from, you know, Delhi come here."

• 56:52Speaker 02

  And I, exactly, and I've got a bigger gang than you, and so we're gonna be in charge.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  And then, and then, and then the gangs squat in the ruins of the once great civilization, just like when the Visigoths and Ostrogoths sacked Rome in 410. And then it all just collapsed and grew into wilderness in a few years and it was, everybody left it because it was just a big empty tomb.

• 57:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it's the Bombay train station with trees growing out of the windows. Yeah, no, I, I've seen it a lot around the world and that can't happen here, but it, it feels like we're moving toward that very, very quickly. So how do you stop that?

• 57:27Speaker 02

  You have to recognize that the Larry Finks and others think they're above the law. They think they're invincible. They've got their big.

• 57:33Tucker Carlson?

  It's more than that. I'm sorry. They hate, they hate us actually. There is hatred. It's not just neglect. It's not just, I'm in it for the money. Larry Fink could probably have made more money without ESG actually.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Oh, I agree. Oh, I know. I was about to say.

• 57:46Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So it's not, but the point of ESG is to destroy the civilization and what's the point there? It's not just so they can like leave in their escape pod. It's because they hate the civilization.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Exactly. In fact, they're suicide bombers. They're, they're economic, cultural suicide bombers. I was about to say Larry Fink, one time I was flying in a private jet to somebody I was flying with over Connecticut. They go, look, there's Larry Fink's giant compound. You can see the big fences, the thousands of acres and, you know, security guard stations. The point is he thinks he can wage war against us and that he should be insulated. He's got to be exposed. He's got to be spotlighted.

• 58:19Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  And we've got to let him know that we're going to blame you. So you think you can replace Klaus Schwab because he's so unpopular? Well, you're going to be more unpopular than him. So I totally agree. We have to admit that they're waging war on us.

• 58:32Tucker Carlson?

  But they're doing it for a re, it's not just to make money. I mean, I think the Sacklers are smart. They probably could have made money doing a lot of things, but instead it was selling poison to Appalachia. And at some point you've got to think, well, they knew that, of course, they knew what they were doing and they're, they had to have taken a certain joy in, in killing all those people.

• 58:52Speaker 02

  At the end of the day, in 1917.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  British intelligence working with a lot of Russian immigrants to New York, put 100,000 men into Russia and sent Stalin's train of gold in. And they took them years to control the whole country, but they got control of the capital city. And then they just sent out the commissars to the peasants thought they were being liberated from, from the czars and feudalism. And instead, they said it was, you know, 20 times worse. And they just raped and killed and murdered tens of millions of them. And so at the end of the day, whatever the deal is with the left, they want to kill Christian farmers and they want to kill Christian white farmers. But you saw, you saw the UN and-

• 59:35Tucker Carlson?

  That, that is, you know, I spent a long time not wanting to admit to myself that that's true, but then you just look globally, what is this? Like what connects everything? It's a hostility to that group. I don't know where that hostility comes from. Pretty, it's a flawed group. All people are flawed. Every group is flawed. But that's a, you know, on par, pretty peaceable group, actually, kind of nice people. Like why the hatred? And I think it's Christianity. I really believe that.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  And, and it's not just kill white Christians. That's the main target. Look at the Rwandan massacre, which the UN actually ran, if you study it, and the Clintons, you were there. And it was a tiny, it was a minority of blacks were Christian, because they were Christian, they had all the prosperity, were successful. And they all got exterminated, wiped out, a couple of million of them. And, and, and, and now all over the world, they're, they're pressuring-

• 1:00:20Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true? I didn't know that, that there was a religious component to the-

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, it was the Christians got killed.

• 1:00:26Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  And the animus did it. Yeah. And the UN oversaw it. They, they put them in the refugee centers.

• 1:00:31Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. The UN helped murder them all.

• 1:00:35Tucker Carlson?

  So the Tutsis were disproportionately Christian?

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes. The minority group that was killed was disproportionately Christian.

• 1:00:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, by the Hutus.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the Hutus were animus.

• 1:00:43Tucker Carlson?

  Why have I never heard that before?

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  That, that was, that was what I had guessed on at the time it was going down and covered it. Yeah.

• 1:00:50Tucker Carlson?

  That was 31 years ago. I didn't know that.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  And, and then they acted like the Clintons were helping, though the UN, this actually came out in reports even from the UN, they'd stick them in the refugee emergency center. They'd pull back at night and send in the animus to kill them. And, and then if some got out, the UN would machine gun them.

• 1:01:09Tucker Carlson?

  So I knew that there were a lot of Tutsis killed in churches, but I didn't realize that they were killed by non-Christians.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And, and, and the larger thing was-

• 1:01:18Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  The larger thing was these big global corporations-

• 1:01:21Tucker Carlson?

  Blew my mind, Alex Jones.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  They wanted, I wish it wasn't true. They, they wanted the rare earth minerals. So they just use, obviously the animus never got any of that stuff they stole.

• 1:01:31Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  And then the infrastructure all fell apart, just like, you know, getting rid of the white rule of apartheid. Not saying apartheid is good, but now it's 10 times worse. Or Rhodesia, super wealthy, you know, and then they get rid of all the white farmers. Where is it now? You know, Zimbabwe inflation.

• 1:01:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, poorest country in the world. Wow, that is absolutely wild. Why does no one ever, I first understood this during the, or began to understand during the Iraq war, where, you know, it's had this massive Christian population, including in the Ba'athist government, in Saddam's government, there are tons of Christians there. And then, you know, after 20 years of war, our war, all the Christians are gone. They're dead or they've moved or whatever.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Same thing now in Syria.

• 1:02:12Tucker Carlson?

  It's absolutely right. So when I figured that out, I started to think, you know, Assad, I've never met Assad. I don't know him, but I know he's better than Al Qaeda. And I know that he's protecting the Christians. And boy, if you say that, they go completely bonkers. I said that at Fox and they were like, I mean, I've never been so attacked. I don't know why it would be offensive to people to say, hey, I think we should watch out for the Christians. It's only offensive because their whole goal is to kill the Christians. That's why it's offensive.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Here's the bottom line, and you know this better than I, and for viewers, you don't understand this. This is rhetoric.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  The Western model promotes freedom and justice and property and diversity of ideas and mobility.

• 1:02:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  The globalists want a technocracy, scientific world dictatorship, in their own words. They've all known Harari, all of them go read the writings, Ray Kurzweil. And so having this model, as I said earlier, having something that's successful and free, no one's going to want what they're selling. So they have to get rid of it. And that's why we have to understand that. And we have to understand that, just like South Africa, no, we're not for apartheid. But it was predicted back when they got rid of it, when you had the communists and the Soros left, literally coming in, Soros was involved, as you know, setting up communism and haves and have nots. And, you know, nationalizing, you know, everything and doing this, that it's now. Little, literal road warrior, hell on earth.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Everything collapsing. There's only like 40,000 farming families left. They're, they're about to make them hand over the land in the middle of nowhere where they, where their great, great grandfathers hand dug wells 400 years ago. Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great. And then the population exploded because the whites came in and literally built infrastructure. Then Africans from all over Africa and Asia, Indians all flooded there because the evil white people were there. And then it's South Africa becomes this huge thing buoying all of Africa. And then now you blow that up, it collapses. And now the globalists get the rare earth minerals and stuff. The population gets no infrastructure. They get nothing.

• 1:04:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's just a colony of China at this point. It's a Chinese colony at this point.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. And then the West and Hillary blows up Gaddafi. As you know, invested everything with the West, came and apologized.

• 1:04:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. NATO, the defensive alliance called NATO, defensive alliance, went and just murdered Gaddafi for no reason.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  And for those that know, I mean, Gaddafi, the more you research him, a statesman, he literally lived in a tent. 98% of the state money coming in and oil went to not just his people, Africa. And he was building real infrastructure and had a whole plan to link up with, and they, then they came and killed him. And now all of Africa is collapsing because they blew up the South Point and the North Point. One's Gaddafi, you know, the crazy Colonel. The point was he was for the people and down here was this. And now the globalists deliberately blow that up for destabilization.

• 1:04:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. And the population will be moved here into Europe as it already is being in Australia, New Zealand and Canada, of course. I know, I, I see it so, so clearly. Um, and the funny thing is, you know, they've been preemptively preparing us for this by doing this whole white, you're a white supremacist and you know, you're a racist. And when I first heard that I was, I never met a white supremacist in my life. I still don't know any actually. And I don't, there are so few racists in this country, at least in my time, 50 years.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  What it is, is they're labeling you.

• 1:05:30Tucker Carlson?

  What they're doing is they're taking your defenses down.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:05:33Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. So you can't fight back. And I didn't, I didn't get that. My first thought was why do you see everything in racial terms? I didn't grow up thinking of things in racial terms at all, like at all. And they do. And they do because they're targeting a group. I mean, of course, and even now.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  And when you're targeting a group, the first thing you do is teach the group they can't defend themselves.

• 1:05:56Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it's so.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  I mean, look at Europe, the cardinal sin are here defending yourself if you're white.

• 1:06:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I wonder what that is.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Nick Sworder gets beat up by Antifa and then he gets arrested in Portland.

• 1:06:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  So, but, but, but I was interrupting you. That's a really important point that they label you and demonize you to their constituents. So you can be attacked, everything taken away from you. First, you're dehumanized and then, and then anything they want to do, teach your kids transgenderism, open the borders up, you're automatically, if you stand up for yourself, a white supremacist. But then it causes what you talked about six months ago, and we were in Florida and spoke right after your dad had passed, God bless him.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  And that was, you're really worried about a false flag against Jewish groups or something that'll then be used or a real attack to really pass draconian speech restrictions.

• 1:06:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  And, and now because everybody's been called white supremacist, because everybody, you know, who stands up for traditional values have been called bad, a lot of them go, well, you know what? I do like Hitler then. And they don't have enough history or context.

• 1:07:00Tucker Carlson?

  That's, that's right.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  So they don't understand, like, look.

• 1:07:04Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that, can you just pause? And that, that is such a smart point. I just want to say Hitler was a total piece of shit, actually, and destroyed Europe. And why, why would you ever be for Hitler? I don't really get it, but that, by the way, we should not have armed Stalin. We were not, that was totally evil.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  If you had to say Stalin for total kills of people was worse than Hitler.

• 1:07:25Tucker Carlson?

  Of cour- obviously, but bottom line, let's just start here. You don't arm Stalin. Okay. Period. I mean, I don't care what the calculus is. I'm not sending money or weapons to Joseph Stalin, who's genociding Christians.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  And that's what Patton said. He wasn't pro Hitler. He just said, we should never have armed Stalin.

• 1:07:41Tucker Carlson?

  But just because you shouldn't have ever sent a single dollar to Stalin, doesn't mean that Hitler's good. Hitler was a total piece of shit, actually, in my opinion. And whatever, you know, whatever he did, he, he destroyed Europe. He had a lot of help, but he did that. So, um, I don't know why you can't, there's no like space in between. Why do you have to? Why do you have to go right from we shouldn't have armed Stalin, which we should not have done, and it's shameful that we did that. Anyone who calls it the good war, a war where you're arming Stalin is not a good war. It's a shameful war that you should repent of. But you don't have to go right to I love Hitler, right?

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing is you got competing totalitarian systems. You have the fascists, you have the communists.

• 1:08:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. How about neither one? Like, why do, what the fuck?

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing. I mean, if you really read what Hitler himself wrote, it was all about a struggle. And he said, if all the Germans died doing this and failed, they deserve to die. And

• 1:08:38Tucker Carlson?

  So I just hate that right there. I hate sacrificing your own people, sending boys to go die in the defense of Berlin. You're losing. Why are you sending boys to go die? Fuck you. That's, sorry, sorry.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  No, no, nobody, you're actually learning though. So, and I don't mean the pop anti Hitler stuff, but the real things. And so that's my issue is people are all black or white. You know, they're all very monochrome. And here's an example. Do you want a black widow or a brown recluse to be put in your bed at night?

• 1:09:07Tucker Carlson?

  Neither.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:08Tucker Carlson?

  But we don't have to. So that's the part that freaks me out. What, why would we ever put ourselves in a position where it's arm Stalin, be close allies with Joseph Stalin, who murdered tens of millions of Christians?

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  He was called Uncle Joe.

• 1:09:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Or be for Hitler. No. How about no and no? Like, what, that's the, that's the worst and fakest choice in world history. Like, you don't have to participate in that.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely. So that's the issue is.

• 1:09:37Tucker Carlson?

  So who's telling me I have to participate in that? 80 years later, oh, I pick a right.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  And then it gets worse. You have the ADL that keeps World War II going in our minds and now says, white America is Hitler.

• 1:09:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  I mean, that's basically what

• 1:09:50Tucker Carlson?

  The people who liberated the camp in, in our little town, really little town where we're sitting right now, there's a war memorial and a bunch of guys from this little town died.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:58Tucker Carlson?

  Fighting Hitler, which, you know, I'm against Hitler. Okay. But like, to then call that country responsible for what Hitler did? I mean, it's too much. I can't deal with it.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, I've had like the ADL and stuff calling me a Nazi years ago. And I just sit there and I look at it. They know exactly what they're doing and it's so cheap. And now they see what it's done. It's blown back on them. Where now you've lied so much and demonized so many good people. Now, a lot of people think, well, then Hitler must be great. Because if you're calling me Hitler, and I'm not, well, then Hitler must be good, because they're not educated. And I mean, I can tell you, it's a long story. But my dad's dad was in North Africa and flew his 22 missions. And then, once they took Italy, he volunteered for another 22 missions, B-17. And then they attacked their base. They got strafed and

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  stuff. And he got a Purple Heart. So luckily, couldn't captain. And then his group went up the next week and all got killed. And then finally, he stopped volunteering. He's only the only one made you do 22 missions. But he then, as an officer, got put in charge of food, food trains, and, you know, food supply. And he described to my dad, never really told the stories about all the starving Italians he saw, and the death, and how it really freaked him out. And then later, going into Germany, and just, just dead bodies from disease, starvation, dead bodies, as far as you could see, blackbirds eating people's eyes out, just stuff out of total hell. And that was the reality he saw about World War

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  II. Then my other grandfather was also the Army Air Corps. And but he, long story short, he didn't see a lot of action, because that a technical thing in the plane crash, he almost died. So he luckily lived, because he had problems early on, and didn't see a lot of action.

• 1:11:44Tucker Carlson?

  I was World War I a win for anybody?

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Well, the British did start that one.

• 1:11:48Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course, of course. The one group that doesn't get the credit they deserve for making the world worse are the Brits.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Oh, they, well, even, even.

• 1:11:57Tucker Carlson?

  I'd like to see more anti-British conspiracy theories on Twitter, personally.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  I can, listen, they're really, their system of manipulation is really the model. But the reason I was going on that long story was.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  My, just real fast, I told Kanye this a few years ago, he's, who cares about your grandfather? But my, my mom's dad was on one side of his family, German, you know, still spoke German. The, the other side, his mom was like old Texas family up in Dallas, they were wealthy. So they lived next to the inventor of refrigeration. And he worked for him as an apprentice when he was like a teenager. And later he went on to play UT football and then, you know, went and joined the Army Air Corps for World War II. But he knew about the Germans, he wasn't in the boon in, in the thirties, but went to some boon meetings, you know, the German, American boon.

• 1:12:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  Hitler was on the radio, Time Magazine, a good guy, they were German, they went and, you know, saw some of it. But towards the end of the war, the, the inventor of refrigeration, who was like a trillionaire there, a hundred billion dollars today, committed suicide and he was German. And they had his family in Germany and it sucked all the money out of him during the war and still killed his family at the end of it. So that was the kind of stories I got about Hitler from like my grandfather was inside baseball, about how the German community in Dallas, the really rich ones that had German family in Germany. Hitler was literally holding him hostage and sucking all the money out of German Americans and then still killing them. You know, like it's so, so those are firsthand, you know, from family experiences, what Hitler did.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  And these people that love Hitler have no idea what a monster he was.

• 1:13:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and I feel like we really missed our, our chance to exercise genuine American exceptionalism. You can say, you know, in 1941 and say, we're just not for totalitarian systems. We're not going to support, well, it would have been in 1939. We're not going to do lend lease, we're not going to support your totalitarian system, Joseph Stalin, sorry. We're not for Hitler, we're not for Stalin, we're America, we're for us. Like that didn't seem to occur to anybody other than Charles Lindbergh and the majority of the American population that supported that plan. And they've been slandered ever since they, they, you know, ever since.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  And they kidnapped Lindbergh's baby and all of it to teach him. And so imagine the Russians and the Germans would have just spit each other out. They would have exhausted each other. The Soviet Union probably would have fallen. The Nazis would have fallen, I would imagine. We could have gone in there. We're just an expeditionary force at the end of it, cleaned it all up as liberators, but instead we got right in the middle of it.

• 1:14:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Or how about you tell like the family, you know, the moms in this town with their son, their son died fighting alongside Stalin's forces? I mean, really so hateful. What happened to Kanye? Do you still talk to him?

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  No, um, he, um,

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  I don't think he's a bad person. I think he's disturbed.

• 1:14:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  And I think he got screwed over in business. I think a lot of what he said was true. But he'd be like, I'm flying to Austin to come on the show. And then halfway through he'd call up and say, I think they're gonna kill me. I'm turning back. And then next time, a couple of times he said that, I didn't believe he'd be there. So he flies in one night. I take him to a nice hotel. He doesn't like it, leaves middle of the night. I didn't babysit him. I dropped him off, left. And he went to some downtown hotel. Next day, my show's starting 11 a.m. Central. And I'm like, okay, he's in Vaughn. That's fine. Start my show. He pulls up wearing a, you know, gimp mask. And I said, look, you can wear it for a while, but you take it off.

• 1:15:23Tucker Carlson?

  Do you have a lot of guests with gimp masks on?

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  No, I don't. And, and, and, and so he just goes on and says he loves Hitler over and over again, which I guess like presses on the nerve of edgelording.

• 1:15:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  So it's like, I'm being bad. I'm being bad. That only goes so far. And, uh, then I think I understood why he was wearing the mask.

• 1:15:46Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  Uh, well, after the show, he goes back there and pulls the mask off to eat salad. And the pupils were just pure black.

• 1:15:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, what's that from? Just being high as someone.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  I mean, six, seven hits ecstasy, I think, when I do it. Um, I don't know. I didn't have, I mean, I was like, he was, I mean, I've never seen anybody with pure black pupils.

• 1:16:06Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, he, he pulled it off. It was like glowing. He was just, and I was like, he's sitting there eating a salad. And I went, oh, now I, now I understand what's going on. I mean, I, I don't know. Maybe, um, I'm, maybe.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  A bunch of methamphetamine mixed with acid, they say can do it. And I don't know, I looked it up. It's hardcore drugs can do that.

• 1:16:28Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  I'm trying to be mean to him. I felt like I was actually.

• 1:16:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, no, you're not being mean.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  I felt like I was being abusive even letting him on air, you know, when it was because he was obviously out of his mind.

• 1:16:39Tucker Carlson?

  And that was kind of the last, that was the last anyone really, really heard from him. That was it. Kind of. That was the end of Kanye, I think.

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  He's like, I'm gonna take the mask off now. And he just pulls it off. And I was just like, because it's like a boardroom thing table, harsh light. And I'm standing right there and he's sitting there. And I'm watching him just like, and I was like, wow.

• 1:17:01Tucker Carlson?

  So there was no one around him who cared enough to keep him off the air in that state? It sounds like.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, he comes in wearing the mask. I'm like, hey, I don't think I'm gonna do this. I'm fine. I'll take it off in a minute. And then he goes in there and I go, take it off. No, I'm not taking it off. And it was just Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, like hit the button, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. You know, it's like you can,

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  you can rig up, I guess cocaine for like a pigeon or a, or a rooster or whatever. They'll just hit the button, you know?

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  And eating it forever. And I was just like, and like, that's the problem with getting those guys on the air. Because I'll have them on for a debate, but it's literally, they'd just go, any of them now, they just go Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. It's like, it's like, they just think it's like doing something. You're just sitting there. Well, this is really boring.

• 1:17:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, there's, it's not that. I totally agree with you and dumb. And also, you want to be on the side of like decency and kindness and life and, you know, babies. Like, you don't want to be on Hitler's side. You want to be on a good side.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  I mean, Hitler, people, they haven't even studied him. I mean, he was a war hero, World War One, got gassed a bunch, won the Iron Cross First Class, Iron Cross Second Class, that's the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was a war hero, that's, you know? And then he has hallucination that he's going to rule Germany and have the Guter Domorong, Battle of the Gods, the next time he gets gassed and has this vision. And then, and then he decides it's total war and all the rest of this stuff. And, you know, and if the Germans don't succeed, all, all of them deserve to die. I mean, he wrote all this stuff. I mean, this is lunatic stuff. So I'm sorry, I don't think black tanks and black uniforms and skull caps and total war is cool. It's like 14 year old kids listening to Slayer. It's okay when you're 14, but this is not like something we really want to do.

• 1:18:39Tucker Carlson?

  But it's also a kind of occult tinged.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Oh, it's beyond. It's very satanic.

• 1:18:44Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so I'm against that.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:18:46Tucker Carlson?

  You should be against that.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Plus, all these people that are attracted to that.

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  I mean, okay, the Germans were like, followed orders and were ready for it, and they got their asses killed. Like, the people trying to act like that today couldn't hold a candle to the farmer Germans.

• 1:19:01Tucker Carlson?

  To the 6th Army, yeah.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, like, which were like the best. So, I mean, you guys are literally...

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  I like it if you go to the British Roman Museum, they got William the Conqueror's helmet. And you put the helmet on. You're not William the Conqueror if you put the helmet on.

• 1:19:16Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  So I'm just saying, I see all these wimps attracted to the power and the evil of it. Like, yeah, the Germans really wore it, and they really did it. They really stepped into the office of the oven, and they got destroyed. So I'm just saying, you guys all flirting with it have no idea. I'm just, it's not good.

• 1:19:32Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's not good. So what, so Kanye never called you after that?

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Oh, I think he called me some. I, I, but I just, you know, Kanye's a great guy, but I can't have hour-long conversations.

• 1:19:43Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  I mean, we talk sometimes like two minutes.

• 1:19:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  What's it about? You know, okay, great. I mean, you know, just long, well, wait, Alex, what do you think about them Jews? And I'm just like, yeah, okay. It's like jacking off, talking about Jews. It's the fetish of Hitler and the Jews all day. If Jews are doing something bad, I'll oppose it and try to block it, but I, I oppose what the Chinese are. I, I don't like obsess over Chinese people because Xi Jinping's evil.

• 1:20:05Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  No, I don't obsess over Jews just because Netanyahu's evil. I don't give it that power. I just oppose the policy.

• 1:20:11Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's to, you don't give it that power. That's exactly right.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  And I'm not trying to be mean. You're asking the questions about Kanye.

• 1:20:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, I, I, because I think there is a, a smart guy underneath a lot of that, and I think, um, you know, drugs are really bad.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  He's on drugs.

• 1:20:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm on nicotine right now, so I'm, you know.

• 1:20:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, but that's not, I mean, that's a life, that's a life-enhancing drug. Um, I've used it before. So, but do you know what happened to him? Like, he just kind of disappeared.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  I just know he trout, trots around that super hot, super hot wife of his and have na.

• 1:20:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's not good.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  No, it's debasing of her.

• 1:20:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, exactly. And well, and of him, it's his wife.

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Tucker Carlson?

  So I know you hate talking about this, but I'm just, I wanna, I want you to explain what's happening with what I think is-

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Let me do this first, because I got the great Tucker Carlson here.

• 1:21:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  I'm always a little Star Trek, because I love you so much. How much time we got? Because I want to hit the real building seven. Also want to hit some transhumanism AI stuff. How much time we got? I know you're busy.

• 1:21:12Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not that busy.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  You got super huge important meetings tonight.

• 1:21:15Tucker Carlson?

  We got like an hour.

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  Okay, good. Can I take a five minute break?

• 1:21:19Tucker Carlson?

  Got to.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  And then I'm going to answer every question you got. I want to answer them all.

• 1:21:24Tucker Carlson?

  Perfect, thank you.

• 1:21:28Tucker Carlson?

  We've got a new website we hope you will visit. It's called newcommissionnow.com and it refers to a new 9/11 commission. So we spent months putting together our 9/11 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew. The American public deserves to know. We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror. In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America. A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later

• 1:22:10Tucker Carlson?

  said he was in New York, quote, "to document the event." How did he know there would be an event to document in the first place? Because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9/11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9/11 attacks because they knew they were coming. Who did that? You have to look at the evidence. The US government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.

• 1:22:46Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not. The public deserves to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time, oh, I was no one ever punished for it? 9/11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true, and it's outrageous. This country needs a new 9/11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth that tries to get to the bottom of the story. We can't just move on like nothing happened. 9/11 Commission is covered. Something did happen. We need to force a new investigation into 9/11 almost 25 years later.

• 1:23:29Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, justice demands it. And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition. We're not getting paid for this. We're doing this because we really mean it. Newcommissionnow.com.

• 1:23:49Tucker Carlson?

  So Trump got the vax? The COVID vax?

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  That's right. Last week, he bragged when he got his medical exam that he got the new experimental flu shot and the Pfizer booster, which his own HHS head basically said, don't give it to pregnant women and women and adults, and that they've proven a racist your immune system is absolutely horrible. But after he had Albert Borla a few weeks ago at the White House praising Pfizer, he's now gone on and got it as a PR stunt. So that really pissed off Trump's constituents, and we, you know, we hope he didn't really take it because we need the big guy.

• 1:24:24Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, and I think there's, unless I'm misreading it, there's, seems like a legitimate and very large study out of South Korea that shows a connection between the COVID vax and cancer because of the effects on the human immune system and...

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  Turns it off.

• 1:24:37Tucker Carlson?

  Well, and some cancers are opportunistic, and a low immune system invites cancer. I mean, that's why AIDS patients used to get caposarcoma. So I don't understand that. Do you think it was real?

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  If I had to speculate on a conspiracy theory, pure speculation, Borla was there a few weeks ago, he did that $75 million deal to lower drug costs, which is a good thing Trump got. And they said, hey, we got some bad PR, why don't you say you took the shot? But I'd have to purely speculate, you talk to Trump a lot more than anybody else, pretty much, so maybe you can ask him why the hell he did that.

• 1:25:08Tucker Carlson?

  Do you know anyone who has taken, I mean, who would take that? I mean, it's poison, obviously poison.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  I think there's 2% uptake on the boosters now. And it's no longer recommended by HHS, which means it has, no longer has liability protection. So again, that is Trump who would say at the rallies, oh, take your shot, they would boo him. So he quit doing it. And so it's things he does like that. And then some Trump supporters think we're in a cult, they go, you don't criticize anything Trump does, no, all the time we do, like when Bondi said, let's pass hate speech laws, and that's what the ADL wants, Southern Public Law Center, people got pissed, she reversed herself that day. So no, it's good for the constituents. When we see something wrong, we put Trump in there to carry out our operations to restore their public, not to take experimental gene therapies.

• 1:25:54Tucker Carlson?

  It's not an attack, I mean, I'm sure you've had times in your life where you've been off on some lunatic tangent and people you love, members of your family are like, hey, we love you, don't, it certainly happened to me a million times, people I love are like, ah, I don't think it's a good idea, whatever you're doing. And you're grateful for that, right?

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Well, that's absolutely so, but if I smoke a cigar, a few, you know, here and there is a bad for you, but you smoke a lot of them, you'll, you know, you might get lip cancer or something.

• 1:26:16Tucker Carlson?

  Really? I don't believe that.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  I'm not here saying, kids, you should smoke cigars. You know, the difference is Trump is up there doing it, so it's just another one of those things he does, like, I'll give cruise missiles to Ukraine. It's, makes you wonder what's going on sometimes. I'm glad we don't have Kamala Harris, let's get that straight, but I am a little concerned.

• 1:26:37Tucker Carlson?

  What is going on?

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Well, everybody knows Trump's really weird and in a good way, in a lovable way. But he does so much good and then he does so many just really bizarre zigs and zags. Uh, that sometimes you just have to ask what's happening, but you know, that video over a year ago of him and Kennedy. Right for Kennedy endorsed him a year and a half ago. That somebody shot of him on speakerphone, Kennedy with Trump. And Trump's like, well, maybe it is too big a shot and maybe the kids shouldn't take it. Maybe you're right, you know, Bobby. That's the Trump we need, not the Trump, oh, look, I took my shot. It's so great. Plus the flu shot, they admit, look this up. They've never in 50 years, the flu shot predicted the right mutation for that year's flu. And it lowers your immune system to the next year's flu.

• 1:27:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the flu shot paralyzed a relative of mine, um, a close relative of mine briefly. Paralyzed, waist down paralyzed, period. That a flu shot did that fact.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Paralyzed Kennedy's lyrics.

• 1:27:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. So I don't know what, and is there any evidence the flu shot, you know, reduces overall mortality?

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  You can look this up. It has, it has never worked.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  It is an absolute total fraud. They've never picked the right mutation for it. And so if it's not the exact mutation, it doesn't work.

• 1:27:56Tucker Carlson?

  So over, but over the population, there's no evidence that the flu shot, which you could get at your grocery store, the nurse's office, or wherever at work. That it has reduced the number overall of dead people in the United States in a given year.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  No, and to show us frog statistics are, so who knows? Remember the first year and a half of COVID, zero flu deaths, basically? Which is normal, about 30,000. They took that number and said that wasn't, there was no flu deaths, but it all became COVID death.

• 1:28:23Tucker Carlson?

  So given how obviously discredited science has been in the last five years. Where normal people are like, I don't know what this is, but I'm against it. Wouldn't now be the time to mandate a total halt to any Franken-science underway? Where we're trying to create life or clone people or change the human genome?

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  And a function.

• 1:28:45Tucker Carlson?

  Gain of function, which is now like universal. It gain of function didn't go away. Gain of function became much more popular after the creation of the COVID virus.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  That's right. Instead of being illegal, they're just in mass doing it, even though it's still illegal. And now they've got self replicating DNA vaccines. They've got stuff far worse, according to all the experts. And Kennedy did ban olfemarosal mercury in shots. He did point out that Tylenol lowers blood brain barrier that when you take a vaccine with it, it's even more dangerous, especially in boys with weaker blood brain barriers. He did recommend fluoride be taken out of the water. Pam Bondi had DOJ block that. Not trying to minimize Pam Bondi, she just keeps popping up. And he is doing a lot of really, really great things, not making the COVID shot recommended. So that they'll stop pushing it. And then you've just got Trump working kind of at loggerheads against Kennedy, who I would say has gotten more done than I thought he could. I think Kennedy is a shining light.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  So is Tulsi Gabbard with the resources they had, Tom Homan and the Border Patrol and ICE. They've really done a great job because their system had been dismantled, as you know. But I would say ending a lot of conflicts, A plus on that. But expanding the Russia operation, terrible. Getting jobs back to America, I'd say great job. But Trump needs to know that the American people have rejected Big Pharma and they're tired of it and they hate Albert Borla, they hate Anthony Fauci. We don't need to be seeing Albert Borla, who's just as hated as Fauci at the White House. We need to see Fauci and Albert Borla indicted for the things they've done.

• 1:30:19Tucker Carlson?

  Why not just strip immunity from the vaccine makers? Wouldn't that, we have a system in place, it's been in place for my whole life, where if you're making a consumer product that hurts people, you can be sued. And so people who make consumer products try to make them safe because there are consequences to selling poison.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  That's exactly what should be done and that's the 80s.

• 1:30:38Tucker Carlson?

  But that's like simple, that's super simple. Like, why not? It's only been 19, I mean, I remember 1986, it was 39 years ago. It's not that hard. This is not like in the constitution that vaccine makers have, you know, blanket shield immunity.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  And now they're calling gene therapies vaccines. You know, they changed the definition. So now anything they want to inject into you, they claim is a vaccine with liability protection. Well, that's why Kennedy removing the recommended status by HHS and FDA. When you do that, it technically removes the protection of the liability protection.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  But then that's why suddenly now the Pfizer mRNA shots warns you that it can kill you. Remember at first it was a blank piece of paper for the first time ever?

• 1:31:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  The first year of the, of the rollout, they just had the name of the shot, the company wouldn't owe you. That piece of paper that comes with the shot container, you know, the ampule.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Blank. But now it says a bunch of stuff can kill you. Watch out. It's up to you. So instead of them pulling it from the market, when liability protection actually was taken, if you read the fine print, they just put in the fine print, it can kill you now, which also protects them.

• 1:31:46Tucker Carlson?

  I knew that. I know someone who was killed by it and his family couldn't sue. Do you feel a rise in, do you feel like people are talking about God and spiritual matters more than they did 10 years ago? I mean, clearly they are. Where's that going?

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  I saw you with a guest a few weeks ago, talk about, this is well known. I've talked to everybody that's done it. I haven't done it. Almost everyone that takes DMT, either from the toad or the ayahuasca plant. These creatures show up that look like court gestures or space aliens, different things and say, there are too many humans. You need to wipe out the population, then you'll become gods. It's the same message. And they've had groups of people, they've had, they've had studies.

• 1:32:28Tucker Carlson?

  You need to wipe out, you need to kill people so you can become God?

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Yes. You need to depopulate and you need to transcend.

• 1:32:34Tucker Carlson?

  Do you know people who've heard that message?

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. They've had whole groups of studies that have had group hallucinations of this.

• 1:32:41Tucker Carlson?

  Can I, I mean, I don't know. I'm not the most spiritually sensitive person. I'm hardly a theologian, but if some demon is telling you to kill people so you can become God, like, we can say that's bad, right?

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And the people that then, you're talking about tech heads, who you know, microdose, they're big in hallucinations and big into hallucinogenics. When they get more advanced and deep into it, and then most of them have talked about this, then the things start giving them more ideas and explaining the system they're going to build, the AI, the takeover, and this new species and how, again, you're going to transcend death. And so we, we've all got to have a larger question there. So they say the devil's greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist. I think that's the second biggest trick. I think convincing the world that good doesn't exist is devil's biggest trick.

• 1:33:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, yes. Can you, can you flat, I think that, I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but I know that you're telling the truth right now. Can you, can you?

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  Well, convincing us that there isn't anybody good and that you don't have power and that it's all over and we are the Borg, you will be assimilated. The biggest trick is hopelessness when we're promoting truth and justice and honor and we can't just dial into demons and fallen angels. We can also dial into God and get that message, but you first have to recognize that good and evil exist.

• 1:33:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  And once you recognize that we are ethereal beings, that we are just manifesting ourselves in the third dimension, that, that all these people that are even atheists have these near-death experiences that come back with the same message. I mean, I personally in my life, you know, have had so many times where I'm literally told something and it comes true and it just comes from God. And so I know this, I know this is real. We are a lot more complex than just what our eyes and ears and, you know, taste and touch pick up. And when you really actually study the globalist, none of them are atheists. They're into the occult.

• 1:34:29Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  And they believe they're interfacing, even at Skull and Bones, at Yale, they get in these coffins for days. They try to get the spirits to come into them. They try to channel these spirits. You've got the heads of Skull and Bones there in the last few days, seeing who's able to interface with this. These are real rituals that are part of activating parts of the mind so that people can see past the veil. And again, they've now been able with robots and computers and wires in the brain, as Elon has talked about decades ago, this was already done. Your eyes narrow the light spectrum because there's so much going on that if you saw the infrared and everything else, it'd be too confusing. But, but now with hallucinogens and other things, they have been able to prove that

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  people can actually see past the veil into basically other dimensions. And so that's really what this is. We have to admit to ourselves that, that, that, that what we see and taste and, you know, touch and everything is a very small. Peace of actually what's going on and that's that wider world and people have to, once they understand that that there is this wider battle going on, then you realize, oh my God, God's real. I better choose God or I better choose the devil. And but if people are kind of embedded into this, just grow up in it. And just with the corporate media in life, they get trained into the evil side, never knowing they really had a choice. But almost everybody, if they're given a choice, early enough, will choose God that right way.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  The problem is, the the system on earth knows that. So the priest class in Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, many of it, most of it's bad priests, bad churches, who know the powers there, know people are looking for God, know they're seeking. So they're there basically to get the power from you, instead of you basically transcending spiritually. And so that's why Christ talked about the relationship with God is personal.

• 1:36:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  And and and the kingdom of God is within us. The new agers go, oh, you are God. No, kingdom of God is within us. We're made in God's image. We have the potential to know God, to interface with God, that's worship God. And then through that, begin to transcend to a higher consciousness interfacing with God, not God, but with God, and then part of God.

• 1:36:41Tucker Carlson?

  So the the gift is to see good. Because that I do think that's the trick. Because he I mean, no one needs a tutorial on evil. It's all around us. It's super obvious. It no longer disguises itself. Abortion for the sake of abortion? Like, what is that? Well, it's it's human sacrifice. Just Canaanite.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  The DNC doing abortions inside of.

• 1:37:03Tucker Carlson?

  Completely for the sake of abortion, not to improve the life of the girl, or she's a 14 year old rape victim. It's just like, no, abortion is inherently good because it's killing a person. That is all out in the open now. Nobody is confused about his existence. What you don't get a lot of is the recognition that good is in is a more than equal. It's a larger in opposing force. God is bigger than Satan. And you don't get that sense. Like, nobody talks about that. You don't see it. How how do you find that?

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  So many people purposely get turned off of the system by going to a church, whether it's Catholic, Protestant, any of it. And I'm a very. Empathic person. So growing up, I would feel at churches and you get invited here or there, really creeped out, not by the parishioners, but by the people in the system that are trained. Because

• 1:37:52Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that is for sure. Gosh.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  Where I feel the strongest demonic energy is, is, is, is in a lot of these big churches, a lot of these big things, because that's where the devil's sitting his forces. And it's energetic and, and, and so, but Christ criticized the Pharisees, Sadducees constantly. He said, you go pray up on the hill in front of everybody. You talk about how perfect you are all day, but really you're of your father, the devil and the synagogue of Satan. Uh, or you call it a black Sabbath or whatever. Uh, and it happens in Christian churches, happens to Judaism, and it happens everywhere. And if you look at later Judaism, it's not just the Old Testament, the Torah, there's over 30 other books, uh, that they say, you know, the rabbinical teachings are just as important. And it runs the gamut from some sects that you can call very pious and close to God to others that are outright Satanism.

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  And you see that in the Christian denominations, all the things that call themselves Christian, you know, that really aren't. Christ said, beware of things, you know, you know, the, you know, the, you, you know, call themselves of God, but are not, or the synagogue of Satan. Well, there weren't Christian churches then, the churches were synagogues. But it goes for synagogues, churches, anything, uh, that you, you gotta be really close to God and the Holy Spirit, lest you be deceived. And so that's really where it all is. And it comes down to your spiritual inclination. But I just recommend with people, personal relationship with God, praying to God, saying, I want to be good. I want to recognize truth. I want to know what truth is. I want to open myself up to you. I'm an imperfect, I repent for what I've done. And I want you to cleanse me and then show me the truth and then show me how to be a better person. And then show me after that, what, what the mission is you have for me.

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  And literally, if you do that through a process, it may take days, may take months, may take years, then the adventure begins. And then all of a sudden, you're being given like intel and stuff like, and like literally just, you have to learn to go with it. It's never wrong. And it's, it's God and, and it's there. And it's your personal relationship. And then obviously people get this relationship. They all want to teach other people and, and God says, get together in groups. That's great. But Christ didn't try to go get the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the priest classes to join him. He said their minds were closed. He went to the prostitutes and the tax collectors and the robbers, the thieves, because they were already outcast. But that's where he found people that were already under evil's control, but weren't arrogant about it, who were looking for a way out.

• 1:40:08Speaker 02

  And, and so, I mean, I think that's really what it comes down to, is a spiritual relationship with God. And there are some real churches and things.

• 1:40:16Tucker Carlson?

  But don't you find that? I know I have found that. You see sparks of this in the most unlikely people. If you put a list on paper of the people in your life, I won't ask you to say it out loud, but who you really trust, or you talk to and you groove with them and they like know exactly what you're saying. You know, they, they are on the same wavelength in some deep way. It's not the people you would expect. Do you have you ever noticed that?

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I mean, most people, most people get into media because they want to be movie stars. Most people become a preacher because they want to, you know, because they want to be famous and have power. And then you'll find like just the most just normal, unassuming person that has all this great knowledge.

• 1:40:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Because they already have all the power, they don't need power. And so it's just.

• 1:41:03Tucker Carlson?

  They're connected to God's power? Is that what you mean?

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And, and. I mean, it's, it's, it's quite, quite the quest because so many people are lost and really it's an inside job. They've got to somehow open up the channel to God and then, and then they'll see everything that's happening. And then God will give them a message and a, and a mission of what they should do. And I, I don't want to say all churches are bad because there's a lot of good people in the churches regardless. It's just that the last 120 years, the Rockefeller Foundation, the excommunical movement and, and all of that has really moved into the churches. And we see that with all the rainbow flags and all, you know, the famous cathedrals

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  in England now, Fistune with all the leftist, you know, graffiti and garbage. I mean, it, it's been captured is my point. But people can't get turned off by that and say, well, God's dead. No, no. Satan has occupied the so-called temples, but, but, but God isn't in the temple. God is inside us.

• 1:42:10Tucker Carlson?

  Do the temples get torn down? Like, do the last vestiges of the old civilization get erased? And Christians started new? Like, what is this? How does this unfold?

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  I think, I mean, I think that's up to how God influences everybody. I think we could, over time, retake those things. But the Satanist and the leftist, the power hungry, they think if they can take over the skin of something and occupy it,

• 1:42:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  that they can fool people that are looking for God. But that's actually triggering the Great Awakening. So I think some of the buildings get torn down. Some of the buildings get retaken. But at the end of the day, King, you know, God's temple is with us.

• 1:42:49Tucker Carlson?

  It doesn't matter, does it?

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter.

• 1:42:51Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So Westbin Strabby is not where God lives?

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:42:54Tucker Carlson?

  Now, that's so important to remember. Do you get discouraged? Do you ever think it's hopeless?

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  No, because it's all in God's plan. But I do get discouraged for individuals who kind of fall to evil. You see good people that fight evil for a while, but they get put under pressure, they get attacked.

• 1:43:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  They turn to the dark side.

• 1:43:17Tucker Carlson?

  Boy, have I seen that.

• 1:43:18Speaker 02

  Because it gets them ahead for a little while, and then you later see them destroyed.

• 1:43:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, always. And their families destroyed, too.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, and I get tempted by evil.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  You know, sometimes like a devil jumps into me. And I mean, by that, I'm just busy, I'm tired, I'm whatever. And I catch myself, and I'm like, whoa, whoa. You know, for a minute, I was like, you know, turning into everything I'm trying to fight. So I'm not up here on some high horse like, you know, like, I've got all the answers and I'm perfect. Because anybody empathic can, you know, tune into different frequencies and

• 1:43:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  things that are happening. But at the end of the day, your heart's what matters. You know, King David did a lot of bad things and sent his best buddy off to get killed because he was left after his wife. But he really repented. And God said, you're a man from the heart. So at the end of the day, it's where you point your soul. And so many Christians, or some people that love God, have guilt. You know, the devil's the accuser. And so, oh, I made a mistake. I wasn't perfect. I'm not really a Christian. I'm not really good. No, as long as you mean well or doing the best you can, you're gonna stumble, you're going to have problems, and you're going to have issues. But it doesn't matter, because that's why God's there to help you. And you just gotta reach out to God and say, I can't do this alone, I need you. And I think people just need to say, I need God. I give it to God. Not, oh, I'm gonna lay down and just trust in God.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  Some of the churches, thank God they're coming out with microchips and Margaret the Beast. That means Jesus coming back soon. Well, I was talking to a police officer today we saw out here and he's like, well, just thank God, Jesus is coming back soon. Well, if you actually read Revelation, it doesn't actually read like that. We have to go through this whole project and then this happens. And so

• 1:44:50Tucker Carlson?

  And it's also like explicit throughout the New Testament, you're not gonna know, you're not God. You don't get to predict when this happens. It comes like a thief in the night.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  And so Exactly. And I'm not putting him down for being like, praise God.

• 1:45:03Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  Coming back soon. My point is, is that it says, the Antichrist will wage war against the saints and overcome them.

• 1:45:10Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  So there's a big, and then we lose in the third quarter, we win in the fourth quarter, because God's gonna test us.

• 1:45:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  So everybody's like, oh, thank God, we won't be here. That's only been around Skullfield Bible and all that, like 150 years. Nobody ever taught that, not in Catholicism, Protestantism.

• 1:45:24Tucker Carlson?

  It's absurd.

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Nobody ever taught, I mean, the Antichrist, he's got guillotines cutting Christians' heads off.

• 1:45:29Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  So how are they all raptured if they're getting their heads cut off? So see, and so

• 1:45:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the whole thing, I mean, it's obviously a heresy, but more than that, it's just, it's such a clear usurpation of God's power. It's like, I've figured out exactly when this is gonna happen and how it's gonna go. It's like, no, you're

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Well, what happened to all the disciples? Almost all of them got killed.

• 1:45:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Did they get raptured out?

• 1:45:56Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know. The whole thing is, it's sad. And by the way, really good people fall for it. Really good. Some of my favorite and most decent people fall for it. It's not, I'm not attacking anyone at all, but it's clearly not true. And it leads them in direct, it leads them to defend like murder and stuff.

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  While we're on theology, exactly, while we're on theology, what do you think of Peter Thiel's whole Antichrist lecture?

• 1:46:19Tucker Carlson?

  Um, you know, I'm not, I haven't seen it. I have talked to him about it at great length. Um, I didn't, I think it's really interesting. I'm not, I didn't really get to the punchline on that. Uh, I don't, so the question everyone, you know, has is, okay, who's the Antichrist? I think it's, maybe there's more than one. I don't know.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  It's a system.

• 1:46:41Tucker Carlson?

  Right. Um, so I, so I would just say, I'm not taking a pass on the question. I would, but I don't, this is so far out of my depth. I mean, I'm just sort of at the, I'm for Jesus stage of things, but, uh, I'm glad that there's a conversation about it. You know, I welcome all conversations about the transcendent because I think it's what matters.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  Well, exactly, because I mean, I love the comedian Tim Dillon. He's like, this guy's got all this cashless control grid or this. And then he wants to know about the Antichrist. Well, he grew up really Christian. People don't know, be a Peter Thiel. And then, and then now he's wanting to have a debate about it. I don't think the Antichrist wants you to have a debate about the Antichrist.

• 1:47:19Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's probably right. And just in general, it's worth talking about and reminding ourselves and others that this is just like a small piece of what's real. We're just seeing a tiny fraction of reality, like the spiritual world, that realm is as real as, you know, the table we're sitting at and people lose sight of that. I lose sight of that, we, you know.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Exactly. So we should be having not just Peter Thiel, everybody, Donald Trump, you and I, we should be discussing revelation, what's described as really happening now.

• 1:47:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  So we should be having, oh God, he's the, Peter Thiel's the Antichrist. He's talking about the Antichrist. What? There's some people like, well, what's he doing talking about the Antichrist? Well, I think we should all be talking about it.

• 1:47:57Tucker Carlson?

  Well, because I think, I think the temptation is to just ignore the whole topic. I mean, that's the world that I grew up in where it was just never discussed.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  Devil doesn't exist. It was just.

• 1:48:06Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. People's sex lives were a frequent topic of conversation. Everyone was super liberal about that. Like no one was embarrassed of anything, except any question that transcended the material was just considered like death was considered totally off limits because it pointed to these obvious questions like what happens then? And so I really welcome that. I think all healthy societies face death.

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  Exactly. People go, oh, you're a Peter Thiel dick rider. No, you should be having a discussion about Antichrist. Why aren't you? And, and so what I got, I haven't seen the presentation.

• 1:48:38Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, so people, I'm sorry, I miss a lot because I, I do think the internet's demonic. Sorry, I know where I work on the internet, but the whole thing makes me uncomfortable.

• 1:48:46Tucker Carlson?

  So I haven't seen any of this, but people are attacking Thiel for this?

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, it's, it's like, oh yeah. It's like, they haven't even found out what he's saying. I've read some of the articles, haven't, I tried to get tickets, but it was already sold out, but I wanted to see his view on it, but. All I know is, is that we should be having a discussion about the Antichrist. I mean, we're, we're having one already here. And, and so what is the Antichrist? I think you need to know the enemy. I think you need to know.

• 1:49:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, one obvious hallmark from my, uh, you know, frequent, but very untutored reading of, of those books in the New Testament is that the Antichrist reserves the powers of God for himself. He pretends to be God. You know, I'm all powerful. I can, you know, worship me. Any, and by the way, that's most leaders in the world through all time, but that, those are signs of evil. You are not God. No one can worship, no one can worship you. And the shitty things you do on earth do not make you powerful. They destroy you actually. And so that it's all described in, in Jesus's 40 days in, in the wilderness where Satan off, offers him these deals and he declines all of them.

• 1:49:51Tucker Carlson?

  But that's like the, whether you're a Christian or not, that is the template for life. Oh, if I just do this, I'll win this election. You know, I break some eggs to make the omelet. No, dude, you're going to be destroyed for that. In probably in this life, certainly in the next. And that's just real. That's just a fact.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  I agree. And it's nothing but healthy to have a discussion about that.

• 1:50:10Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. So I guess the one thing I don't like about the Antichrist conversation is it makes it sound like, you know, Anton LaVey is going to show up and like, start murdering people. And I think it's much more present than that. I mean, I think literally Antichrist means against Christ. Well, who would that include? Most leaders in the world? They hate Jesus.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  They do. Well, look what Elon is starting to come around.

• 1:50:33Tucker Carlson?

  You, you want to make people upset? Start talking about Jesus. I just did this at Charlie Kirk's memorial. I did like some six minute talk about Jesus, only Jesus. That's it. I was like, I said to my wife in the show the other morning, that morning, I was like, I'm not getting political at all. I'm not going to attack anybody. I just want to be as like unifying as I can and consistent with what Charlie really cared about as I can and what he really cared about.

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  They call it anti-Semitic.

• 1:50:54Tucker Carlson?

  It was insane. It, it, which was of course absurd, but leaving aside the absurdity, like the emotion was real. It was totally real. Like, oh my gosh, that's outrageous that you said that. It's like.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  Great speech. I watched it.

• 1:51:05Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it was just short, but it, all I did was recount the gospel, but that's, that's the most controversial thing you can do. And everyone's happy to talk about God all the time. God spiritual is, Jesus? Man, that's a no-go zone. Why is that?

• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:51:21Tucker Carlson?

  Cause it's real. That's why. And it just triggers the fuck out of people. I shouldn't.

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  Well, no, I mean, I mean, no, no, but I agree with you that that that we need to have an open discussion about this because it's it's here. And and notice the left, they're all about total control of language where there's almost nothing discussed. And so that's why they get so upset when these discussions start to happen. And as look at civilization and society, we should be having a major front and center discussion about AI. And that's what Elon Musk talks about, who's gone from not believing in God, saying, we need God, he's starting to come around to saying, listen, we're gonna have AI. Obviously, the genie's out of the bottle, but we don't want to centralize them. We want a whole bunch of them. We want a diversity of them. And I and I and I think, what is the answer to AI? Because it's people say, oh, why are you for AI? I'm not. It's not going away.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  What is the answer to to AI if it's being rolled out? And I know the globalists want to basically have one AI. Elon's answers have distributed AI, non-centralized AI, but no matter what it is, it just turns bad.

• 1:52:27Tucker Carlson?

  I don't, I mean, I have no idea. I know that a lot of the people developing AI are really, really bad, really, really bad, like the worst. And what do I mean by bad specifically? They think they're God. And that that's the core lie. It's not like, how many people have you killed? If you think you're God, you will kill people. And the more power you have, the more you will kill. It's just by its nature, bad. And there's so it means no restraint, no perspective, no humility. Man, that's a recipe for genocide always, right?

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  I know we want to hit my own personal issues and a few other things, and I appreciate the time, Tucker, but big picture, let's just be completely honest about Trump. It's a blessing to have him in office. We're nine months in. The Democrats are destroying themselves, lowest approval rating ever, lowest fundraising ever. It's really up to us to lose this. But we are starting to see some indictments of Comey and Lisa Cheney, a lot more coming. The Democrats are now pledging, you know, resistance and and and violence. And what's the quote? Energetic uprisings or? Forceful uprisings. Sorry, forceful uprisings. Chuck Schumer, how do you see this unfolding? And what can the general public do to try to save the country in a nonviolent way?

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  Because, I mean, I just think Trump rhetorically needs to be out front, explaining to people how dangerous things are and the crossroads, instead of just saying, oh, liberals are dumb, they don't know what they're doing. No, the leftist globalists have a plan all over the world. They know what they're deliberately doing.

• 1:53:54Tucker Carlson?

  I think, I mean, a lot of things are important. Prayer is the most important, keeping the people you love close, keeping your personal relationships strong, keeping your personal life virtuous. I do think that's really important. I think you become, having led a very non virtuous life myself, I'm not judging anybody. I just know from experience that the less virtuous your personal life, the weaker you are. It makes you weak. That's the plus why I quit drinking. It made me weak, et cetera. So, you know, those are all super important, but from a governance perspective, the government, the people who are elected to run the government, need to make sure that the instruments of government are loyal to the constitution and under control. And that's the concern that I have is that, especially older conservatives, whatever

• 1:54:36Tucker Carlson?

  that is, Republicans, whatever that is, but you know, non leftists are living with outdated understandings of like the military and the police. And, you know, there are a lot of great people in the military. I know a lot of them and there are a lot of great cops. We were just with one of them a second ago. But there are also a lot of people with guns in official capacities who are really, really dangerous and you need to make sure those people are under control. And by under control, I mean loyal to Donald Trump, the man. I mean loyal to the constitution.

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  Absolutely. There was a whole bunch of people, including Sheriff's deputies earlier today, and you're like, well, of course the leadership of the Pentagon are the worst globalists. And they're like, what, really? Our military is not the best? Like Trump admitted eight years ago, he was lied to. The leadership's been groomed, put through these globalist schools, brainwashed.

• 1:55:27Tucker Carlson?

  They're awful. They're awful.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  They're the worst. And Trump finally knows that. So going into this attempt at civil war, the enlisted are great people, on average the best, but people really have this vision of military that's delusional.

• 1:55:38Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of them are sociology professors with nuclear weapons. I mean, they're scary and I know that just from living in DC. I wouldn't know that if I hadn't spent my life in Washington, the Pentagon's right there. The neighborhood I grew up in in Georgetown was, you know, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs lived like one house over from me. There's always circulating through because they all circulate through DC. So I would have, you know, go to dinners or duck hunts or whatever. You're with these people and you're like, wait, you're like stupid, totally incapable of like creative or independent thought. And you're a lefty, big time, and like self-hating white guys and like crypto gay and like all like their sociology professors, a lot of them, I've met a lot of them, a lot.

• 1:56:20Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think DEI swept through the military? Cause the flag officers wanted it. And why did they want it? Because they hate themselves. Because they all got, you know, master's degrees at Fletcher or whatever at some, you know, they all got indoctrinated by her education, as you explained at the outset. So like, man, you have to make sure those people are loyal to the constitution and you need to go through systematically.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Do you think Trump finally knows that he thought the brass were these badass John Wayne guys are literally the enemy?

• 1:56:47Tucker Carlson?

  Well, apparently everyone says that the, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs is like a really good, a good solid.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Raising cane.

• 1:56:53Tucker Carlson?

  American. That's correct. Dan Kane is a, is a great guy. So, I mean, I think there are a lot of great people.

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  There's still a few left that.

• 1:57:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, there may be many left.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  Look at how Flynn.

• 1:57:02Tucker Carlson?

  But there are many bad.

• 1:57:03Speaker 02

  Flynn hit himself forever.

• 1:57:04Tucker Carlson?

  Many bad, many bad. And the left used the COVID vaccine to weed out the men, guys with testosterone and self-respect, who were like, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to poison myself. And so they left. And that was the point of the COVID vax was to get

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  Purge.

• 1:57:21Tucker Carlson?

  Decent, to purge the men. So it's all like betas and women who can be controlled and are sort of eager to worship false gods. And you have those people with guns. I don't know. It's really scary what just happened under Biden. And has it been corrected? I, you know, I don't.

• 1:57:36Speaker 02

  And notice the alpha males, back when Obama wanted to attack Syria and the Russians, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, then he goes, that's World War III, full war. They had to back off. So even that was the tail end. Now you have like weird guys that say they're women with bald heads stealing women's gowns at the airport.

• 1:57:53Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 1:57:53Speaker 02

  Over the nuclear stockpile. And they're all, and like Sean pins on TV thing, why not have a nuclear war? What's wrong with that? It's like they had, the real warriors know, no, you can't do that. But now you've got a collection, like you said, of sociology and anthropology professors that are completely bonkers and like, aren't making the connection. Like this is real. Like the Russians aren't playing around.

• 1:58:14Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, and it's self-hating men and blood thirsty women. And

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I love the liberal thing. Once women are in charge, there'll be no more wars.

• 1:58:21Tucker Carlson?

  That's bullshit.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  That's not what the studies show.

• 1:58:23Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's not what reality shows us. Female leadership leads to violence.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  Why is that? It's true.

• 1:58:28Tucker Carlson?

  I, I don't know. And I, as a great lover of women and the father of a number of women and, and I'm not anti-women. I, I like

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  I mean, I mean,

• 1:58:36Tucker Carlson?

  I like, I like them more than men and anyone

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  I love women, but it's true. But I remember reading studies.

• 1:58:41Tucker Carlson?

  Female leadership leads to violence and you see it and you, who's, it was Governor Walz's wife who opened the windows to

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  Smell the burning tires.

• 1:58:49Tucker Carlson?

  Drink in, yeah, the, the redland odor of riot. Um, yeah, it's, it's Winnie Mandela, man. It's really, really, the Bolsheviks wives were more bloodthirsty than they were. I don't know exactly what that is. I think weak male leadership incites something in women that's really dark. That's not their fault. That's men's fault. Men's job is to lead. You can't shirk that duty because it's not created by man. It's pre-existent.

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  Well, they, well, they found in studies and, and total war, like women commit way more work homes than men.

• 1:59:21Tucker Carlson?

  You know, it, you were turned over to the squaws to be tortured to death over the period of three weeks. You know, they slow roast you. So, uh, yeah, all of that, it's, it's all true. And I also think it's, you know, having lost two fistfights in my life badly, um, I would, I'm hesitant to get into a fistfight. Into a fistfight. I mean, there's something about, you know, being forced to box as a kid as I was or, and learning that, like, I'm not as tough as I thought I was or whatever. But the experience of physical violence is much more a male thing. And no, you know, people haven't been in a fistfight, shouldn't be commanding an army or a country for that matter, or a country.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  Well, the tougher you know, the more you learn, there's always somebody tougher.

• 1:59:58Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. And it hurts to get hit in the face. It hurts a lot. Actually, it hurts so much. That's why I was never good at boxing. My brother was good, but I was not because I hit the face and I'd be like, oh, I think we should negotiate this. Like, there's gotta be a smarter way to do this. That was my, and then I was like, I'm not suited for that. And, um, but it was only through that experience that I learned, anyway, you know all this because you're a man. But yes, there's something about female leadership that gets you very quickly to violence. And you see it in the support for the Ukraine war, which is like the, the murder of an entire country's male population.

• 2:00:31Speaker 02

  And now though, a bunch of European countries are doing female conscription. I wonder if combat is going to get the women to not be for war.

• 2:00:36Tucker Carlson?

  I wonder why you would even bother with a civilization if you're sending your women to fight wars. I don't, I don't understand, just give up at that point.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's like Ursula von der Leyen.

• 2:00:45Tucker Carlson?

  You only have a military to protect your women. That's the point. There's only one reason, and that's to protect my wife and my daughters. And if it weren't for that, why would we need a military? And so if I'm sending my wife and my daughters to go fight a war on my behalf, I mean, that is the most grotesque thing I can imagine. That is so shameful. That is so disgusting. I don't know how we can.

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  Well, it is. You got Ursula von der Leyen, the unelected, unelected EU head, literally talking about, there's too many humans, we need depopulation. You pull it up, and we're going to beat Russia, no problem. And I, I'm sorry. Like, I have no respect for her because I guarantee you she's never been in a fistfight. Much less she's not been in the military. I mean, it's like, it's crazy.

• 2:01:29Tucker Carlson?

  But there's a cruelty there. And I don't understand it. And the women in my life are the kindest people. They bring me back to decency. Under their influence, I am more decent. But you see in modern female leadership, not all, but a lot of it. Tulsi Gabbard is an incredible exception to this rule. He's like a truly humane, decent person. But man, you see a lot of counter examples where these women, just they can't wait to kill. And I don't know what that is.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  I think that's because the system is selecting twisted women.

• 2:01:56Tucker Carlson?

  It's probably right. And it has something to do with men vacating their role.

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  I agree. Could you believe that, uh, Letitia James bitched and complained and said Trump has weaponized things against me?

• 2:02:10Tucker Carlson?

  It's kind of, yeah.

• 2:02:12Speaker 02

  But that's the system.

• 2:02:13Tucker Carlson?

  The entitlement level in this country has gotten very high.

• 2:02:15Speaker 02

  Well, that's not just hiding behind a woman, behind a black woman. That's all they're doing. It's totally, you know, transparent.

• 2:02:21Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the most powerful people in our society consider themselves its greatest victims. You always notice that, like, I'm a victim. I need security at my house. It's like, okay, no, you're not a victim. You're the perpetrator. So let me, speaking of victims and perpetrators, you are the victim of the greatest crime against free speech in the last 10 years. You were accused of saying things. You say your remarks are misconstrued or misrepresented intentionally. From my perspective, it doesn't matter what you said. You didn't hurt anybody. You didn't cheat anybody. You didn't issue a fake stable coin. You didn't carjack. You gave an opinion and for that opinion, the US government through

• 2:03:04Tucker Carlson?

  an FBI agent has basically tried to destroy your life and are on the cusp of like taking your entire life away. And so here's my question. One, you know, how close are you to having everything taken from you? And two, where's the Trump Justice Department in this? I don't understand.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  This is such a huge subject.

• 2:03:27Tucker Carlson?

  It is a huge subject.

• 2:03:28Speaker 02

  And, and I, I want to answer this because this affects everybody, not just me. And what just happened to Mike Lindell two days ago ties directly into this. So I'm going to do my best, but I want viewers to understand this isn't about me. This is about you and the end of judicial process in this country and the final phase of the weaponized judiciary because the Democrats haven't given up.

• 2:03:50Tucker Carlson?

  First question, how close are they, and by they, I mean this constellation of law firms, NGOs and federal law enforcement employees to taking everything from you and shutting you down, taking you off the air. I know that's been in progress for a while. You've outrun them, but I feel like you're getting toward the end. And two, Or B, where's the Trump Justice Department? And why is this being allowed?

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  Well, to quote the song, I got one more silver dollar. So they sued me seven years ago. They spent $300 million. They had been in court filings doing it. Paul Weiss, Democrat law firms, all of it. Had the judges find me guilty. Here's a microcosm or a current example. Two days ago, Mike Lindell, smart medic. The judge finds him guilty, claims he didn't give the discovery. That's just the new thing they do. So I was found guilty in Texas and in Connecticut by Democrat judges, literal anti-vassaros judges of not giving discovery, which wasn't true. So then I'm found guilty, then they have a show trial. So then they have the show trial. They get a billion and a half dollar judgment. They do all this and then they don't want to settle. I said, here, have all the money I'll make in the next 10 years,

• 2:04:59Speaker 02

  which was more than I ever made in 10 years, $75 million. They said, we don't want that. We want you off the air, in press conferences, on national TV, in court filings. We're not supposed to just take somebody off the air. You're supposed to be able to get your judgment. Plus, it's all on appeal. So last Tuesday, they had the state receiver in my offices, looking at everything, saying, we'll probably shut you down about a month. They're waiting for the state court that we have it on appeal to lift the stake.

• 2:05:24Tucker Carlson?

  And this is because, all because you gave an opinion. I just want to be clear, you didn't do anything. You had an opinion, which you say they mischaracterized. But again, I would say, even if they didn't mischaracterize it, you're entitled by birth as an American to have any freaking opinion you want.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Well, to be clear, the internet, years after Sandy Hook, had viral videos of professors saying they didn't think it happened. They put evidence, 22 minutes in the show trials of me questioning and having debates with people.

• 2:05:51Tucker Carlson?

  You're allowed to question anything you want. You're allowed to have any opinion you want. This is the United States of America.

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  Well, it's like the Charlie Kirk thing. I believe Charlie Kirk's dead. I think the official story is probably true. There's questions, but people are saying he didn't die. There's people saying this and that. I don't think it's true, but the point is, is they have a right to do that as Americans.

• 2:06:10Tucker Carlson?

  You have a right to any opinion you want, period.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  So, so they have the show trials, they do it, they want me off the air. Then I go into bankruptcy because I don't have any money three years ago. They use the bankruptcy, they assign the Justice Department, which they can do, they have a special office, to my bankruptcy. They use Infowars money in the account to do four investigations to find fraud. They find no fraud, they sue my parents, they do it all.

• 2:06:33Tucker Carlson?

  They use your money to sue your parents?

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  Yes. Then the judge. Lopez in Houston, you know, federal judge. He says, I want this to be sold at auction a year and a half ago. Cash auction upfront, here's the rules. They do an auction. Say it's a cash auction, cancel it and then sell it to the onion, basically for no money funded by Michael Bloomberg. The judge last November says it's a fraud, has hearings, shuts it down. They also sent armed security and without court orders, tried to shut us down in May of last year. So all this goes on, all this happens, we learn the Justice Department from documents. Was under Biden was funding the lawsuits, running all of it.

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  We get those documents, the new Justice Department learns about it, Ed Martin, and says, our job is weaponization. We know we have the documents, the Justice Department previously did this, that the FBI admitted in court that they ran this, created the lawsuits. William Alderberg, the chief counsel of Connecticut at the time. And we're going to send a letter and ask them to preserve their documents, we're going to talk to them. That was about a month ago. And I showed you the letter and the other letters that are out there.

• 2:07:40Tucker Carlson?

  So Ed Martin is a great guy, he's been in this, in this room. Ed Martin is in charge of undoing the weaponization of government, which is to say the agency is being used as for, for political ends to destroy people who get in the way of the Democratic Party and his job is to undo some of the.

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  And I'm one of the more famous cases, the White House, right when they got in eight months ago, gave me classified documents that Obama targeted me for national security 2013. With Comey, we had other documents come out, they didn't find anything in a 10 year investigation. So they moved on to the Sandy Hook thing as a big production with the FBI. The Justice Department illegally funded it, we have all those documents. And so just like Mike Lindell two days ago, the Smartmatic suit, the judge finds him guilty. And it's now going to seize his company and shut him down without a jury trial. So it's the same thing, again, this is their model.

• 2:08:32Tucker Carlson?

  And what did Mike Lindell do wrong?

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  He questioned the 2020 election and he's been vindicated.

• 2:08:38Tucker Carlson?

  So they get to take his company away for that?

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  Including, including firing all his employees because they don't want money. So, so.

• 2:08:46Tucker Carlson?

  Then, and this is happening right now?

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  It's happening right, yeah, right now. And so the bigger question is, so here's what happened.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  So, so Martin says, no, this is weaponization. You have all the documents. We have more documents. We want to investigate this. So I go a month and a half ago, meet in DC, do all this. They get the letter and other communiques. It's this Koskov, Koskov Democrat Senator Blumenthal Law Firm, basically Bloomberg Law Firm in Connecticut. They flip out and say, oh, Jones is harassing a hero FBI agent. Never said his name, never criticized him. He won $130 million defamation suit against me in the Sandy Hook defamation that he created, though no one ever said his name. He'd been on the stand. No, no one in your office. You never said, I didn't know who he was until he sued me. So he goes and creates the suit, organizes the families with the NGOs, does all this.

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  And then I, and then I talked to DOJ. They sent a letter, say, preserve your records. I showed you the ABC News headline. And then Todd Blanch, the deputy AG, calls up in the news, chews out Ed Martin, says, end this investigation and pull this. And so.

• 2:09:56Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, wait, why?

• 2:09:58Speaker 02

  I mean, will Todd Blanch let them shut down my pillow? Will Todd Blanch let them do all this? Because they go, oh, Alex Jones was mean to dead kids' families. There was never any evidence of that.

• 2:10:07Tucker Carlson?

  Well, but even again, just to restate the Constitution of the United States, the country we live in, you're allowed to have any opinion you want. Okay.

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 2:10:16Tucker Carlson?

  You were making a political point and the job of the government is to defend that right. That's the point of the Department of Justice, defend that right. So I, I'm totally confused here. So you're saying that one of the top guys at DOJ, Todd Blanch, whom I've talked to before. I don't know much about Todd Blanch, but you're saying that he stopped Ed Martin?

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  He bragged about it all over the news of three weeks ago.

• 2:10:40Tucker Carlson?

  Why would he do that?

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  Uh, here's what they did.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  They say people peed on kids graves, people harassed their houses, and then in court, when did it happen? I don't know. Somebody told me who? I don't know.

• 2:10:51Tucker Carlson?

  Did you pee on someone's grave?

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  No one, I never been to Connecticut until they brought me there for trial. No, none of that happened. But the point is, I'm this guy. People don't know that Adam Lanza killed the kids. His mom bought a Bushmaster.

• 2:11:02Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 2:11:03Speaker 02

  Uh, and, and, and.

• 2:11:04Tucker Carlson?

  But just to get it, it doesn't even, it doesn't even matter. Like, it's such a sad, horrible story.

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  Well, they just put me in the place of.

• 2:11:10Tucker Carlson?

  But you've got nothing to do with it. You shared an opinion about a tragedy. People can disagree with your opinion. They can dislike your opinion. They can't destroy you for your opinion because it's America, and the Department of Justice exists to protect that right. So I don't really get this. So Todd Blanch, I'm taking your word on this. I haven't heard this before. You're saying, is, is he a career guy? Todd Blanch?

• 2:11:33Speaker 02

  Well, he was a Democrat until Trump won the election.

• 2:11:37Tucker Carlson?

  Is he an appointee?

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, he's, he's the, he's the deputy AG.

• 2:11:42Tucker Carlson?

  And so you're confident that he shut down any attempt?

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  Oh, he, he bragged. Just type in Todd Blanch, Alex Jones, Ed Martin. He went on the news and said, this is terrible. I'm killing this investigation.

• 2:11:57Tucker Carlson?

  Why was it terrible?

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  He, he just, it's a hero FBI agent.

• 2:12:02Tucker Carlson?

  Because you're bad? You offended some FBI agent, therefore you should be discouraged?

• 2:12:05Speaker 02

  I never even knew who he was until he sued me.

• 2:12:07Tucker Carlson?

  And you're allowed to not like FBI agents. You're allowed to have any opinion you want. This is like the craziest thing.

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  Well, William Altenberg said on the stand, he went and created the lawsuits,

• 2:12:19Speaker 02

  which, which violates a whole bunch of laws. That's what Ed Martin put in his letter, was that it, that you can, as a sitting agent, go and create a case for yourself. It's an emolument issue. So, so, so, so here's where we are. They say the new model is sue you for defamation, have a Democrat judge find you guilty by.

• 2:12:40Speaker 02

  Default, then do this, then they don't accept a settlement, then they shut you down. So, so the answer is how long will we be there? They want the name Infowars, the Onion, and this former MSNBC censorship czar. He had the same job as, as Brian Stelter at CNN. He has said recently in an interview with Wired Magazine, if I was God, I want Infowars. And so they think now they're going to seize the assets of the state, they're going to hand it to them. He says they're going to use our logos. He says he's going to pose as Charlie Kirk as well, put out fake quotes of Charlie, look this up. And their new thing is to have my website and use it to attack Charlie Kirk.

• 2:13:16Tucker Carlson?

  Can I, okay. So this is just totally grotesque and this is not the free market at work. This is NGOs plus law firms, plus the US government destroying a private citizen for opposing the political agenda of the people in charge. So this is like exactly what you can't have in your country.

• 2:13:34Speaker 02

  And they brag they're doing it because of that.

• 2:13:36Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, well, there's no other, there's no other reason.

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  They say, we want you off the air.

• 2:13:41Tucker Carlson?

  Could, simple question to you. Could the current Department of Justice shut this down?

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  Yes. The DOJ's Office of Bankruptcy already had one US trustee fired the next, caught in a fake auction. My lawyers have filed lawsuits, it's cut and dry, illegal. Bankruptcy fraud. So, and those, that information went out as well. So they know that. And Todd Blanch is protecting the FBI and DOJ under orders from Obama, then Biden, to get me off the air. And we have all the documents where they funded illegally. We have all the proof. We sued them, we deposed them, I spent millions deposing them all, getting all their emails, top law firms. And then we, and then, and the Justice Department gets the information.

• 2:14:29Speaker 02

  And Ed Martin goes after them and says, preserve your records, I want to talk to you. And then Todd Blanch comes in and says, I'll fire you, Ed Martin, shut this son of a bitch down right now. Ed Martin needs to be the Deputy Attorney General. And he didn't say that, okay, I have other DOJ sources that tell me what's goes on, but this is the reality.

• 2:14:50Tucker Carlson?

  And could they do that? I mean, because like in the end, I don't think you should use government to make your friends rich or give them special favors. But if you can't deliver justice to people who are on your side. You know, you're not doing it right. And that's really dispiriting and a little weird to be

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  Well, here's what's gonna happen. They just defaulted Lindell two days ago, and they're gonna shut down his factory and his thousands of employees.

• 2:15:16Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. He doesn't get a trial. The judge in Minnesota found him guilty, and they said it's the Alex Jones model. So now, the new thing, bringing in this because it happened, when they defaulted before years ago, before the show trial, they said next is Tucker Carlson. So what they do is they pick a judge, they pick a fake story, they run headlines, you said something you didn't do, like Trump, I love the KKK, they're very fine people, he said they're not fine people. And then, and then they suit, and then a judge finds you guilty, then the judge controls limited information, has a jury trial for the press, but only on the issues they allow of you're already guilty. They instruct the jury, that you imagine, I'm in Connecticut, Texas, two trials, and it's both the same, produced by

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  HBO's, their cameras. The judge goes, Mr. Jones is already guilty. Of everything they say he did, he cannot put on defense, you will decide how much money he stole from these people, and you will give it to them. And they instruct them, he is guilty. And you're sitting there, the opposite of the American system, watching it, and now they just did Mike Lindell. And so, will, will Trump sit there? Because Todd Blanch kisses his ass, this little Democrat snake, and crucify Mike Lindell? And crucify his thousands of employees in Minnesota? Probably. I'm not mad at Trump. I know you're busy, Trump, it's okay. But if you think, oh, this law firm, Paul Weiss, that's been running the bankruptcy attacks

• 2:16:42Speaker 02

  on us, agreed to pay 40 million in restitution, agreed to illegal lawfare against Trump and his family, and his supporters, and they promised, when Boris Epstein got the deal for him, six months ago, to never target any of his supporters again. They wrote off part of their $40 million community service bill, and suing me.

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  And so they're still attacking all his supporters, everybody else.

• 2:17:08Tucker Carlson?

  You know, you really have to clean up the justice system or else you can't have a country. I mean, this is just like absolutely crazy that I would think that is why people voted for Trump. It's why I campaigned for him. You have to have justice in your country.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  Tucker, I agree. More than an economy, more than stopping war.

• 2:17:22Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 2:17:22Speaker 02

  My listeners won indictments. And finally, Comey, Letitia James.

• 2:17:26Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, indictments of the guilty, not indictments of people you don't like, not indictments of people who pissed you off or who opposed you.

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cut and dry. They did everything.

• 2:17:33Tucker Carlson?

  People who committed crimes and who have escaped justice because of their political connections. That can't continue.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  Well, they started it, Tucker.

• 2:17:40Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  And, and, and, and, and so all I'm saying is, is that I'm a tough guy. I can handle all this. We'll continue on. People can follow me on next Real Off Shows. We've got the AJN Network set up with sponsors. The point is, is that they said this is a model for everybody else. Then two days ago, Mike Lindell. Oh, sorry, Mike. You don't get a jury trial. You're guilty. Now we're going to instruct a jury how you're guilty. So this is their model. Defaults are only like if you're sued and then you run and leave the country. They still got to have a trial, but they are literally declaring me guilty.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  And then you've got Todd Blanch, who from all of my sources, I mean, he's a hardcore Democrat, Southern District of New York operative. He was Trump's criminal lawyer, lost those cases for Trump. And this is that weird Trump blind spot. So, hey, Trump, I get it. If you think cutting me loose and Mike Lindell, that's fine. I'm a big boy. I've defended you like nothing else. That's fine. If you think Todd Blanch, you know, you got meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell and all this other weirdness, if you think that snake is the answer for you, then you, you bet everything on that, on that. But as for me, I just know the truth and the Democrats literally are caught

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  red handed their persecution of me and Infowars and Mike Lindell. And so it's up to you to make the right move here.

• 2:19:10Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, Mike Lindell blew his life up on Trump's behalf. I mean, that's why we're here is because Mike Lindell loved Trump. And whatever you think of Mike Lindell, he's a very nice man, I think. But even if you hate Mike Lindell, just objectively, Mike Lindell was a pretty successful pillow salesman and got his life together, got off drugs, you know, became a Christian, and then he decided he really loved Trump and he thought Trump was being wronged and they stole the election from Trump. He really believed that. And now they're destroying him. And I just feel like if there's ever someone you need to defend, it's Mike Lindell. Are you kidding?

• 2:19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they've got the fake story about me like, oh, the guy that peed on kids' graves didn't do it. You know, Trump loves the fake.

• 2:19:51Tucker Carlson?

  Then they can arrest you for public ira nation. That is not relevant.

• 2:19:55Speaker 02

  But I didn't do it.

• 2:19:56Tucker Carlson?

  This is the justice. It doesn't matter. You didn't do it. You're not accused of doing it. Someone else did it. And we can't allow that. We can't, we can't allow, if someone does something crazy and invokes your name, you don't get arrested for the thing that you did.

• 2:20:09Speaker 02

  No, I agree. And Trump stood up for J sixers and others.

• 2:20:11Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  So why, okay, so you're gonna let them shut down my pillow? You're gonna let them shut down Infowars? It's not me. I understand Trump's got bigger fish in front of him, but my listeners are enraged by this. They are like, why are you still supporting Trump? Because it's not Kamala Harris we're getting more done. But if Trump doesn't understand, if he can't support his supporters, I don't know what he can do. And I'll go back to Todd Blanch. Todd Blanch's been a die in the wool top Democrat. He lost all the cases for Trump criminally. And from what I've heard, Bonnie's not bad, she's just lazy. Bongino's emotional and a big baby. You know, Patel is compromised. And it's just so sad. He should have Ken Paxton in there.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  They brought in the Missouri AG is the new deputy FBI head to get, you know, as soon as Bongino leaves. And Bongino should stop worrying about his PR and his, how he looks.

• 2:21:08Speaker 02

  And worry more about the future of the country here and put it all on the line, actually, instead of being a hothead. But you know, he's a good guy, but Patel and you know, you know, Bonnie, these are just TV heads. These are just people that are here to be celebrities in my view. And I'm just saying, and Todd Blanch is a Democrat Party operative who I think, I think he's Bill Barr 2.0. You know, they got another Veritas investigation. Where they have Bill Barr's former CIA deputy AG twice, literally with Fannie Willis setting up the indictments in Virginia. I mean, in Georgia. I mean, like, so is, is Todd Blanch

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  Bill Barr 2.0? That's the question Trump should be asking. It's bigger than me. It's bigger than me. When Justice Department reached out and said, hey, this is cut and dried with you. I said, don't you have bigger fish to fry? They said, no, this, they were sloppy with you. You know, we've got them and they do. We have all of it. Total proof of racketeering.

• 2:22:04Tucker Carlson?

  Can I disagree with you on one point? I don't think it's bigger than you. I don't think anything is bigger than the individual. I think that is the Christian message. What matters is the individual, the human soul, the person each one made in God's image. And whenever your people say, well, it's bigger than just one person. That's bullshit. Actually, nothing is bigger than just one person.

• 2:22:23Speaker 02

  No, Tucker, I agree with you. I'm saying-

• 2:22:25Tucker Carlson?

  Injustice done to you is a total outrage to the entire world. And by the way, you're not the only victim. If that's what you're saying, I'm hardly the only victim of the justice.

• 2:22:33Speaker 02

  That's what I meant though.

• 2:22:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure. But I think it's so important to make sure, to the extent you can, with the power that you have in this life, to make sure that justice is done for the individual. Like, I really think that's, that is Western civilization. By the way, the Eastern view, which is now very common in our country, deals only with groups and populations and the herd or the tribe. That's why they believe in collective punishment. But the Christian view is no, it's the individual and each person matters. The hair on your head is numbered by God. So I just feel like we can't, can't allow a single injustice to pass by if we can fix it.

• 2:23:12Speaker 02

  No, I totally, to be clear, I totally agree with you. My point was, I know Trump has bigger fish to fry.

• 2:23:17Tucker Carlson?

  No, I get it. Well, that's true.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  But it doesn't because everything they're doing is about, oh, this, this media paid a thing to say they're wrong. They're laughing at him. They still have their power structure in place. Oh, ABC paid a fine. They paid a fine. Paul Weiss paid a fine. And they're still attacking your most ardent supporters. To, to, to, to shut you down. And, and so that's all I'm trying to say is, is that, is that will Trump let Mike Lindell get shut down? Will he allow this? All because the deputy AG that really runs everything is really a big leftist and thinks, thinks he's smarter than all of us. And it's just so disgusting because we have them cut and dry. They're like, well, sir, he peed on graves. No one peed on graves. No one did

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  any of this stuff they say. Trump never said the KKK or fine people. That was all a lie. And, and so if you give it to their propaganda, they, they win. Support your supporters. Stand up for them. You know, I saw Barron put out a whole list of vaccine bad reactions to the COVID shot after his dad took a shot. That's going to be the real rebellion here is people around Trump, because he's 79 years old. He's not a bad guy, great guy. Tell them the truth. We, all of us can't be in a cult. When Trump is wrong, we gotta call it out. But, but yeah, I mean, I'm here and you know, I've seen this injustice. And I was literally going to say, when I came here, we're set a week ago, I couldn't

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  come a week ago because they had a receiver there at the office that day. I was supposed to come, literally looking at everything about to shut down. And I just had to say to people that if they do this to me, they'll do it to you. And then Mike Lindell defaulted. No jury trial, found guilty by a judge. All of you are in danger, folks. This is so real. And if Trump doesn't defend Lindell or me, whatever. I mean, I just hope Trump, when he's out in three years remembers that Todd Blanch is Bill Barr 2.0. And if you think that little sneaky lawyer is your friend, you're a fool. So I think Todd Blanch should be removed, not because of me, but because everybody I talked to, he is literally there, working against the president. He's the one telling

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  the US attorneys, don't do these prosecutions. And then Trump gets pissed and says, do it. They do it. So Trump, you did it with Sessions, you did it with Bill Barr. Why are you doing it with Blanch right now? It's just, please, I don't understand this blind spot of Trump.

• 2:25:44Tucker Carlson?

  I've never heard any of this before, but that's why I'm a fan of yours, because I always learn a lot. Godspeed. Alex Jones. Truly, thank you.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  Tucker, love you, brother.

• 2:25:53Tucker Carlson?

  Great to see you, man. Thank you.

• 2:25:59Tucker Carlson?

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