Bonus Episode: Grammy Snubs, Righting the NWA Wrong, Wild Award Show Buggery, and More

The Grammy are most interesting when they mess up—snubbing NWA, the Grateful Dead, Metallica and others. We get into all of it plus some extra awards show hijinks in the exclusive All Access section, and as always Jake takes your voicemails, text, emails, and more. For more wild stories from the world of music and true crime, check out these Disgraceland episodes: ⁠U2⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/151/u2 ⁠Bob Dylan⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/178/bob-dylan ⁠Whitney Houston⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/044/whitney-houston ⁠Bob Marley⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/009/bob-marley To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:46Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're discussing some wild Grammy snubs, what's up Metallica, and talking run, run, run, runaways. Hello, Joan Jett, Lita Ford. In our exclusive section for All Access members, we dive into some of the more scandalous happenings from award shows past, and we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best

• 2:56Jake Brennan?

  history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:20Jake Brennan?

  Joan Jett of The Runaways was nominated at the 1989 Grammy Awards in the category of Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal for her song, "I Hate Myself For Loving You." She did not win that award. U2 song "Desire" from the album Rattle and Hum took it home. Other artists nominated, though, were Inexcess, Little Feet, and Midnight Oil. I mention this because Joan Jett was part of the group The Runaways, who we cover in this week's full episode of Disgrace Land, and because the Grammys are coming up. Now, The Runaways were never nominated for a Grammy. They were much too fringe. Lita Ford, another

• 4:02Jake Brennan?

  runaway, however, was nominated one more time, actually, than Joan Jett for Best Rock Performance Female and Best Single. She lost both times. The Grammys are on my mind, like I said, because they're coming up in a couple of weeks. And I find the Grammys most interesting when they mess up. Like Jethro Tull being chosen over Metallica. So I was kind of surprised to see that not one, but two runaways were eventually nominated. Now in this week's rewind episode of Disgrace Land, we feature NWA. In 1988, the Compton Group of MCs released the incredible album, Straight Outta Compton. Not surprisingly, given how subversive and controversial the

• 4:47Jake Brennan?

  group was at the time, the Grammys did not touch Straight Outta Compton or NWA, despite how well the band in that record sold and despite how impactful that album was at the time. Straight Outta Compton went platinum and it hit the top 40 despite being an independent album. And that's an incredible accomplishment, but that shouldn't matter. The 12,000 plus voting members, a group of music professionals, including performers, songwriters, producers, and engineers are supposed to nominate an award winners based solely on artistic and technical merit. By what technical measurement is the right hand rhythm guitar playing of Martin

• 5:28Jake Brennan?

  Bear from Jethro Tull better than James Hetfield's from Metallica? In what world is Jethro Tull's album, Crest of a Knave, better than Metallica's And Justice for All? It's been 39 years, guys, and I'm still not going to let this one go. But back to NWA's Straight Outta Compton. Sales aside, you can't mess with the album's artistic or technical merit. And making the snub even more egregious is the fact that in 1989, that was the year that they added the best rap performance category. Now, the nominees for that, DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince with Parents Just Don't Understand, Supersonic by JJ Fad, Wild Wild West by Tone Loc, Going Back to Cali by LL Cool J,

• 6:10Jake Brennan?

  Push It by Salt and Pepper. Now, all of these songs, or performances as they term them, are capital G great, especially JJ Fad's Supersonic. DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince won. And I can accept that because Parents Just Don't Understand was everywhere the year that it was released. But come on, the Grammys couldn't make Tone Loc's Wild Wild West. Just, you know, go hang out somewhere else and let Straight Outta Compton be on the ballot? I don't understand that. I mean, I guess I do. I guess I do. Would never happen now, but then 1989, much different time. 1989 was a weird year for the Grammys. George Michael's Faith won Album

• 6:53Jake Brennan?

  of the Year, beating out Tracy Chapman's self-titled album, Bobby McFerran's Simple Pleasures, Stings, Nothing Like the Sun, and Steve Winwood's Roll With It. Pretty much lame city all around, aside from the Greek god of tight-fitting blue jeans and his record Faith. Lita Ford did present an award that year, though, along with Alice Cooper, for another new category, Best Hard Rock Metal. Okay, another new category in 1989, Best Hard Rock in Metal. And Lita Ford and Alice Cooper gave that award to, like I said, Jethro Tull, not Metallica. Have I mentioned yet how ridiculous it was that the Grammys gave the award to Jethro Tull that year and not Metallica? Again, I'm not over it. This, of course, wasn't

• 7:37Jake Brennan?

  the first or the last time that the Grammys messed up. During their entire long, strange, trippy run, despite being arguably the greatest American rock and roll band ever, the Grateful Dead were never nominated for a Grammy, even when their single Touch of Gray cracked the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100. Bob Marley, global superstar, revolutionized music at the time, no awards. Jimi Hendrix, arguably, actually, no, there's no argument, definitively the greatest guitar player to ever be involved with popular music, no Grammys for Hendrix. All these artists, including The Who and Diana Ross, they were

• 8:18Jake Brennan?

  all eventually awarded something called the Lifetime Achievement Grammy Award after their quote-unquote "active" careers in pop music had slowed down. And the Grammys did the same thing for NWA in 2024. They gave them the Lifetime Achievement Award. The Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammys is kind of like the, oh shit, we fucked up and we're making it right award. I kind of like it. It's better than nothing. This year's Lifetime Achievement Award nominees at the 68th Annual Grammys are Carlos Santana, Shaka Khan, Cher, Fela Kuti, Paul Simon, and Whitney Houston.

• 8:58Jake Brennan?

  Carlos Santana already has 10 Grammys. In 2000, he won eight on the same night. Paul Simon has 16 Grammys. Shaka Khan has 10. Whitney Houston has six. Cher has one. Fela Kuti has zero. So you can pretty much guarantee Fela Kuti is going to win this award in a couple of weeks. Again, the Lifetime Achievement Award, kind of like, hey, we messed up. We're gonna, we're gonna fix it. And again, I like that. What kind of award, though, are they gonna give for messing up that whole Milli Vanilli thing? You know, that time they gave the vocal duo the Best New Artist Award in 1990 only for it later to be revealed that Milli Vanilli didn't actually sing their own songs.

• 9:43Jake Brennan?

  That award was eventually stripped by the Grammy Recording Academy's Board of Trustees. So, you know, bad Milli Vanilli. No award for you. Unless you wait long enough. Unless, Milli Vanilli, you wait until 2026, because that's right, ladies and gentlemen. In a world where the most ridiculous and/or ironic outcome is almost always guaranteed, Fab Morvan, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, one of the air quotes singers from Milli Vanilli is nominated for a Grammy this year for Best Audiobook Narration and Storytelling for his memoir, You Know It's True: The Real Story of Milli Vanilli. And yes, before you ask,

• 10:26Jake Brennan?

  it's definitely his voice used in the audiobook. So, please, God, let the Grammys give the award to the Milli Vanilli guy. It is right and just. I don't know why. It just is. Now, the Milli Vanilli story is one of the most shocking things to have ever happened at the Grammys, and it's kind of why I love award shows. For the unexpected, for the mess ups, for the screw ups. So on that note, Zeth and I are going to be discussing some of the wildest award show events that have ever happened. From Dust Ups with Soy Boy and Dylan to Jarvis Cocker, or Michael Jackson, to Courtney and Axel, and David Niven and the Naked Dude. Go to disgracenpod.com to sign up for disgracen and all access to unlock this content and more.

• 11:11Jake Brennan?

  All right, I really kind of wish I did a Milli Vanilli episode for Grammy week. Maybe next year. Instead, though, this week, we've got a two-part story on another Grammy nominee, Lady Gaga. And if you're a fan of German sex clubs and the Bavarian Illuminati, not to mention dangerous hangs on the roof of the Staten Island Hotel, you are not going to want to miss this story. These Gaga episodes deal almost entirely with the wild conspiracy theories surrounding the global superstar. And when you're listening, be thinking about those theories and whether or not you think that there's any truth to them, any evidence, evidence that you think supports them, evidence

• 11:53Jake Brennan?

  that, you know, I kind of, well, I put it all out there, you'll hear. Lots of people believe this stuff. And I'm not judging. I mean, I'm judging by the facts. I'm not judging the people who believe what they believe. Anyways, when you're listening, I want to know, do you find any truth in these theories? And if so, why? Hit me up at 617-906-66638 to discuss, leave a voicemail, or send me a text, and you might hear your voice and/or your texted answer on next week's after-party. Before Lady Gaga, though, coming up in the rewind slot, right after this after-party is, like I mentioned, those two NWA episodes. Be sure to give those a spin. You're gonna dig them. And I'll be back right after this with you guys, with your voicemails, texts, emails, and more.

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• 14:24Jake Brennan?

  All right, welcome back. Appreciate you guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, @disgracelandpod on the socials. You guys want to get in touch about anything? We're talking specifically this week about the Runaways. They're the subject of our new full episode. And at the end of that episode, I asked the question, which female artist do you guys want to hear covered in Disgraceland? And on that subject, we heard from the 307. Let's check it out.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is Kara down in Austin, Texas, and you asked about suggestions for female episodes. I'm gonna have to say it's Plasmatics. Everybody talks about their influence on Guar and their stated show, but that sound was iconic, is iconic, and influenced a generation of like metal hardcore punk, all of it. Beautiful, Wendy's story, insane, absolutely insane. One other thing I wanted to put you on, if you haven't already heard about it, Jerry Lane from Poison Ideas trilogy, Black Heart Fades Blue. I've read a lot of rock bios, I have read a lot of junkie bios. That is the most depraved shit I have ever

• 15:32Speaker 05

  heard in my life. So, check it out if you're interested. But anyways, keep up the good work. Hope to hear from you. Later.

• 15:40Jake Brennan?

  All right Kara in the 307, bringing that depraved energy from Austin. Kara, I don't know anything about Jerry Lane and Poison Idea. I should. So, I'm very interested and happy you pointed this out. Can't wait to check out, what'd you say it was? The Black Heart, Black Heart Fades Blue? That's a, it's a great title. And on the Plasmatics, yes, you're not the first nor the last. A bunch of people this week actually have brought up Wendy, Wendy O. Williams, Plasmatics, or, and/or Wendy, I'm not sure which, probably a Wendy episode going to the top of the list, Kara. Thank you. Not sure if you'd find this interesting. Perhaps you will, judging by your taste here. We've got a Gets Mia Zapata

• 16:25Jake Brennan?

  episode in the works. I'm gonna record that this afternoon. That's coming in a couple weeks. So, you got that to look forward to if you are a Mia Zapata fan, a fan of 90's hard rock, grunge, or whatever you want to call it, punk, alternative. That'll be coming soon. All right, let's check out this one from the 270.

• 16:47Speaker 06

  Hey Double Elvis, 270 Todd, hadn't called in a while, uh, always listen. And, uh, you've made my week with the Johnny Thunders episode. Thank you so much. Uh, you've done Mark Land again, you've done Johnny Thunders. Maybe a Jeffrey Lee Pierce in the future, my life would be complete. But Johnny Thunders, you said it best, he is influenced, like people imitate him and they don't even know that they are. I just ironically heard an interview last week with Steven Pearcy of Rat. Uh, he was on Billy Corgan's podcast and he was, you know, admitting that in the eight, you know,

• 17:27Speaker 06

  they were trying to look like pirates. Well, they were trying to look like Johnny Thunders. So cool, so influential. I love the dolls as well, but some of that Johnny Thunders solo stuff. And as you said, the So Alone album had so many top notch legends on there with him. Other tragic figures too. Bill Lienach, Mary it, it just so many people. Love the episode. I've been playing a lot of Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers ever since I listened to it. Keep up the good work. Thank you.

• 18:02Jake Brennan?

  270, thanks for the call. Appreciate you. Yes, Johnny was a huge, huge, huge influence. Still is to this day. I feel like Guns N' Roses should have been sending him royalty checks while he was alive. Love the idea for a future Jeffrey Lee Pierce Gun Club episode. We are digging deep into the punk rock influence here with, uh, Gun Club and the Plasmatics and the Gits, which is of course a good counter to the Lady Gaga's and NWAs of the world. Appreciate the suggestions, guys, always 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Anthony texts in from the 724. Hey Jake, it's Anthony.

• 18:45Jake Brennan?

  I'm going to be a bit behind on podcasts, but listening to last week's Thursday episode and asking for more female subjects. I know I once suggested Dolores O'Reardon from the Cranberries and you said it was a little too soon. I'm not sure if enough time has passed. I know her stories are more personal, but she has that air rage incident. And of course zombie inspired by the troubles in a bombing event. Just thought I'd put the suggestion in again. Good health to you and yours and later days Jake. 724, I love it. Yeah, enough time has passed, I think. I think we can get into the Cranberries. I think we can get in more specifically to Dolores O'Reardon and her history. You know, I missed her at the studio once, the studio I was working at, I missed her by about

• 19:26Jake Brennan?

  five minutes. I showed up and she was gone and everybody there was buzzing because she was just there. And I thought, man, that would have been cool to meet Dolores from the Cranberries. And then she was gone and it's sad. But you know what? I'm gonna steel myself and I can dig into the research. And personally, I'm, I'm interested in, in the troubles in Irish history. So this is, um, this is in my wheelhouse. Thanks for reminding me 724. Appreciate it. 250 writes in with another suggestion. Hey Jake, just listened to the Runaways pod and heard the request for more female groups. So would love to hear a dive on the slits.

• 20:07Jake Brennan?

  Thank you. 250, I know very little about the slits. Very little. So I'm down to learn and down to bring you guys what I find. 252 writes in simply Emmylou Harris. And this is a great idea because it opens up a new lane into Graham Parsons through Emmylou's point of view, which I'm not familiar with. I've of course, read some quotes, read some things she's said about Graham in my research of Graham. Most of it positive. Emmylou seems like a real class act. I wonder what's out there for her history. I wonder if she's written an autobiography. Anyway, very intrigued. Emmylou could make for a great subject. I

• 20:49Jake Brennan?

  gotta write these down. Some great subjects this week. Great recommendations, guys. 617 906 6638. Appreciate it all. Jackie over on Patreon writes in the chat, actually not in the chat. She's commented on the post for our ad free episode of the Runaways story. Jackie writes in, hey, having listened to this episode and still thinking about your punk question previously, which was, jumping in here, this is not Jackie speaking, this is me. This is the question from, the question prompted from that Johnny Thunders episode was, uh, which First generation punk group was most influential.

• 21:32Jake Brennan?

  Jackie writes in, I've been thinking about the Slits, a great punk band, and I'd love you to cover this story Jake, but don't think that they have any crimes associated with them other than misogyny within the punk scene. Jackie, we might be able to find something there. We might be able to find some crime to associate with the story, something that's related. Maybe it's, it's just, you know, once removed. We'll look into it. Appreciate the comment and the suggestion, Jackie. This is interesting. We're not, we're not all that self referential here at Double Elvis, but on that same thread, Matt Bowden writes, and of course, those of you know, Matt Bowden works here at Double Elvis, he's producing this show right now, this episode.

• 22:17Jake Brennan?

  I hadn't seen this comment until just now. It says, hey, just wanted to point out another Jeopardy/DisgraceLand connection. Jackie Fox, bassist for The Runaways, was a three-time Jeopardy champion a few years back, competing under her real name, Jackie Fuchs. Matt goes on to say, I think she was on some other game shows as well. She also designed a well-regarded board game based around 1970s rock called Rock Hard 1977. Great to see that after everything she and the other Runaways went through, she was able to come out the other side. Matt, amazing. Somebody, somebody posted a comment on Instagram about Rock Hard 1977, the board game, and I thought they were fucking with me. This is amazing history. Love the Jeopardy connection.

• 23:01Jake Brennan?

  Of course, of those of you who don't know, the Jeopardy/DisgraceLand connection that Matt's referencing, we were, DisgraceLand was a clue on Jeopardy a couple of weeks ago, which was pretty awesome. If you want to see that, you can just go to our Instagram page. It's pinned at the top, at DisgraceLandPod. What else are you guys talking about on Patreon? Over in the chat, Susan writes, just listened to the Runaways episode. There's a pretty good movie from 2010 about the Runaways with Kristen Stewart and Dakota Fanning titled The Runaways. All right, Susan, listen, if, if you say so, okay? I have been repelled by this film for some reason. I don't know why. Maybe it's because Kristen Stewart was coming sort of off that whole Twilight thing at the time, and I just, I just couldn't see it. But I'm going to take your word for it and I'm going to check it out.

• 23:46Jake Brennan?

  I'm just going to put it on, maybe this afternoon. I read a Greta Gerwig quote yesterday, it said, the best time to watch movies are 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. And I'm like, yeah, that's good if you don't have to fucking work for a living. But you know, 4:00 PM today, while I'm sort of, you know, end of my day, I go into my, "Okay, let's, uh, let's, let's jump online and see what people are talking about and get in there and talk to you guys." And I'll throw, I'll throw the Kristen Stewart, Dakota Fanning Runaways biopic on. I like Dakota Fanning a lot. She's great. Susan goes on to say, "I remember Lita Ford's Kiss Me Deadly video." Oh, so do I, as a young boy, Susan. Uh, and Susan goes on to say, "And as a young adult female, I was so pissed that she was crawling on the

• 24:30Jake Brennan?

  floor of the video." Uh, anywho, there's a female guitarist I highly recommend you look up, Nita Strauss. She's been on Alice Cooper's tour for years and is amazing. Yeah, I know, I know who she is. I've seen her on Instagram. She's incredible. And I love, I got a side note, I love that Alice Cooper is still out there slinging it. Miranda Nicole in the chat is asking if anybody has seen the Scorsese-directed documentary about David Johansen yet? And you know what? Damn it, I haven't. And I was so excited, Miranda, when this came out. We talked about it here. I was pumped. Thank you for reminding me. Yeah, check that out. My question to you, Miranda, is have, have you seen it? Let us know. Let us know on the Patreon chat,

• 25:14Jake Brennan?

  or give us a call, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. You might hear yourself on next week's after-party bonus episode. All right, I got this email. I want to read to you guys from one of you guys. Hold tight, let me find it. Okay, this email comes from John, and John writes in, "Hey Jake, John here, reaching out from Morrison, Colorado. I'm a huge fan of Disgraceland, and I love the way you blend music history with true crime. I've also been hearing you plug this film, Should Be Played Loud, and seeing that you covered Goodfellas really struck a chord with me. That movie and the world around it is a big part of my upbringing. I can't wait to watch it. A little background, I'm

• 25:56Jake Brennan?

  a carpenter by trade, but a lifelong punk guitar player and lover of all music. I'm from the Bronx originally, raised in North Jersey. My father had ties to the Genovese crime family, not a made man, but..." A highly ranking associate. It's a wild part of my upbringing and I have a feeling it's part of why so many of your stories feel oddly comforting to me in the same way that the work of David Chase does. One thing I always find funny is that despite all the teasing I got for liking punk, yeah, I got called all sorts of names. My tough guy gangster dad would still drive down to Trash in Vaudeville on St. Mark's Place and pick up CDs and band tees for me. The first thing he ever bought me was the New York Dolls self titled record. He had no idea what it was. I didn't ask for it.

• 26:39Jake Brennan?

  He just said, there's a couple of freaks on it and it says New York. Life changing. And speaking of interesting characters, one of the guys my dad worked for, Angelo Prisco, a capo in the Genovese family, was involved in an extortion case with Steven Seagal. It's public information, but still one of those wild, almost absurd stories that feels right in your wheelhouse. Maybe some Hollywoodland material there. Johnny goes on to suggest doing a Jerry Nolan, Jerry Nolan from the New York Dolls episode, which would be fantastic. That'll give us, that'll make the Dolls a trilogy of stories and disgrace. And I love this idea. And he also mentions Warren Zevon. And I think there's something from Warren Zevon's past, his upbringing, actually with his father.

• 27:20Jake Brennan?

  I think his, I think his old man was an associate of Mickey Cohen, the gangster from Los Angeles back in the 1940s. So that could be very interesting. Anyways, Johnny signs off. Rock-a-roller Johnny Nuts. P S I'm including a link to a music video for my band. I think you'll at least get a laugh out of it. Not looking for a shout out, just love the rock and roll thing. I'm the guy with the TV yellow Les Paul knockoff. Johnny's band is called Hell Toupee. Like toupee, like the hairpiece. Pretty funny. Check that out. All right, Johnny Nuts. Thank you, buddy. What a crazy upbringing you've had. Fascinating.

• 28:03Jake Brennan?

  Your dad sounds like a cool guy and I love that he. I love the, how did you put it here? They're from New York and they got a couple of freaks. I love that. So cool. I miss Trash in Vaudeville as well. Great store on St. Mark's Place in New York. I say I miss it like it's not there anymore. It could be there. I don't know. I don't get to New York much anymore. I don't think it's there. Guys, [email protected]. You want to hit me up about anything? Maybe you got a gangster dad. I doubt it. Not everybody can be like Johnny Nuts, but if you do, or if you don't, send us an email. All right. Real quick. Johnny had mentioned this film should be played loud.

• 28:41Jake Brennan?

  He's referencing our new video podcast, which is available exclusively for our all access members over on Patreon. Our first episode was on Goodfellas. Our second episode is on Trainspotting. This podcast combines mine and Dr. Zeth Lundie's love for music in film. We look at one film for each episode and discuss the music in that film, the great music in that film. Okay? And given our tastes and what we do here, a lot of these films, as we're sort of deciding what we're going to cover, are crime-based. So it's, you know, it's all sort of in the world of disgraceland and Hollywood land,

• 29:26Jake Brennan?

  but we're not dissecting the filmmaking that that much. We're more dissecting how the music is impacting the filmmaking, the scoring, the needle drops, the soundtracks, all of that. So obviously Goodfellas, incredible music and an incredible approach to music in that film. And same goes for Trainspotting, which we just filmed the Trainspotting episode last week. The edit, I think the edit is done and it's coming out for you guys on Wednesday. So before you get the next after-party, the new This Film Should Be Played Loud will be released.

• 30:10Jake Brennan?

  Now, if you guys are already Patreon members, we've got a couple of different tiers. You can be a free member and that gets you just, you know, you can sort of like check out everything we got going on over there. You can be a member for a dollar a month and that'll allow you access to the chat. You can get to talk to the disco community. You be a $5 member, that gets you a bunch of exclusive content, ad for you listening, gets you a lot, actually. But to get This Film Should Be Played Loud, you gotta be a member at the $10 tier and you get some extra things as well. You get the video version of the exclusive section of the after-party. You get invited to a meeting of the Disgrace Land Brain Trust a couple of times a year where we're gonna sit down and we're gonna formally choose which episodes we'll be researching

• 30:55Jake Brennan?

  and releasing. And like I said, you get This Film Should Be Played Loud. So my point, if you're not a member of All Access at the $10 level, the quote unquote "sound in fury" tier, head over to disgracelandpod.com and sign up and know that you are super appreciated. Supporting our show on Patreon or Apple Podcasts, it helps us make all this additional content, which is something that we obviously love to do for you guys. Again, that's disgracelandpod.com to sign up. I'll be back right after this with a little, little tiny, tiny little sports update and more.

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• 32:11Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 33:18Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Thanks for hanging with us here in this after-party bonus episode of Disgrace Land. Listen, I'm a Patriots fan. You guys know that, and I cannot believe what is happening this season. You know, I like to jump on the mic occasionally and get in here and do these sports rants and just, you know, kind of give you about 30 to 60 seconds of my, uh, my New England sports cynicism. But I gotta say, right now, not a lot to complain about. Basically, a rookie quarterback, second year, and we're going to the AFC Championship game. I cannot believe where we are at. And listen, I want to frame this. I don't want to boast, okay? I saw a stat yesterday that said that the New England

• 33:56Jake Brennan?

  Patriots, after this championship game, will have been fully in, in 50% of the championship games played in the NFL in this century. That is incredible. We obviously had a fall from greatness when Tom Brady left, and it, we were down in the hole, looking up, and I didn't know how long it was going to take for some sort of rebuild to Happen. It happened way quicker than I think anybody anticipated. And I just have to say, my heart goes out for all of you with football franchises in your hometowns, the Jets fans, the Bills fans. I mean, hell, even the Steelers fans out there, the Browns fans, all of you guys

• 34:40Jake Brennan?

  who are just getting your heart broken year after year, either in, either in the playoffs and coming up short, like you guys in Buffalo, or just maybe you're just like, like, I got a friend down here who's a Jets fan and I just cannot believe, I'm like, dude, how, how do you do it? I feel for you guys. All right. I'm not boasting. Literally, I'm empathizing. Okay. That said, go Pats. I had to get that off my chest. We do, we do some sports here occasionally. Like I said, 30, 30 to 60 seconds, not trying to get it twisted. And that wasn't a rant, by the way. That was the opposite of a rant. I apologize if you hear anything banging around the background here. In the middle of a

• 35:20Jake Brennan?

  little studio reorganization, doing a little bit of a, I don't want to call it a rebuild, but things are definitely in flux. Getting this space set up to do a lot more video. And I'm actually recording super early today. And I'm recording early because I gotta go to the doctor. Gotta get a stress test. What's that all about? I'm not stressed. But you know what they say, stress is the silent killer, I guess. So it doesn't hurt to get that checked out. I'm trying to turn this into a public service announcement. I'm just trying to kill some time while I cruise

• 35:59Jake Brennan?

  through my computer here and find the next, the outline of this, of this episode. Oh yes, here we go. Okay. What was I gonna say? I was gonna direct you guys to the Hollywood Land Podcast. You know about the Hollywood Land Podcast hosted by Dr. Zeth Lundie, my partner in crime. Hollywood Land is available now for you guys three times a week, if you can believe that. Film fans, we have our classic archive episodes, giving you the true crime biographies of some of your favorite actors, actresses, and directors. And then we take that episode and use it as a jumping off point. I say we, I should say Zest, because he's the guy, like I said, helming things over there.

• 36:41Jake Brennan?

  Then Zest gets into a discussion about that artist, about their crimes, in another episode called the Rap Party. And the rap party, of course, leads in to the screening room, which ties that artist and subject matter to some, in subject matter to something a little more topical. It is a weekly tripod of Hollywood and crime awesomeness. Go to the Hollywoodland feed to subscribe and follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of Apple Podcasts, speaking of Spotify, guys, appreciate the reviews. Couple of you have reached out to me with your addresses. Those of you whose reviews I read on the show in the last few weeks. For those of you in the audience who are like, what the

• 37:26Jake Brennan?

  hell is he talking about? Well, if you leave a review for Disgraceant on Apple Podcasts and I find it and I read it here on the show and you hear it and you get in touch with me and let me know, 617-906-6638 voicemail and text, I will then get back to you and get you some merch as a thank you. The reviews help with discovery. They are crucial for an independent show like ours. And that's why we are pimping ourselves out here. And this review is just perfect. Absolutely perfect. The username JT, JT, JT, JT, JT, JT, Jr. I think I got that right. Says, just listen, five stars. If you miss that feeling from grade school, when that

• 38:10Jake Brennan?

  one kid with the weird parents told you about Ozzy snorting a line of ants, or Bo Jackson killing a cow with a rock, or Marilyn Manson and his surgically removed rib, this is the podcast for you. Jake is a great storyteller and the writing is captivating. Like rap, listen to any of the Wu-Tang episodes like Country. Please listen to the Willie Nelson episodes. Listen to the Jerry Lee Lewis episode, or the Tom Petty ep, or the Merle Haggard ep, or the Jay-Z ep. Well, just pick one. You kind of can't miss. You nailed it there.

• 38:41Jake Brennan?

  The kid with the weird parents told you about Ozzy snorting a line of ants? That was absolutely me in grade school, getting a lot of this information from my dad. So yeah, there we go. My dad, who is a researcher for Double Elvis, kind of comes full circle. Get in touch, JT, JT, JT, 617-906-6638. Spencer Lau 95 writes on Spotify on the Johnny Thunders episode. Best episode in a long time. Great storytelling and Johnny is the perfect subject for Disgrace Land. Wonder what happened to his guitars? I do too. Imagine having Johnny Thunders as a guitarist. Oh my goodness. Get in touch Spencer, get you some merch. All right, we're about to get into the exclusive section of this after party and talk about some of the wilder

• 39:25Jake Brennan?

  events that have gone down at award shows past, not just the Grammys. You're going to be an all access member to cop that content. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up and get all access exclusive material, ad free listening and more.

• 39:54Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, thanks for joining us for another episode of the Disgrace Land Afterparty Bonus Show. We mentioned Inexcess, Metallica, The Who, Whitney Houston, George Michael, all artists who have been covered in Disgrace Land before. Check out our archive for these stories and more. Matt will have the episode information in the show notes. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode on the runaways is available for you guys to listen to right now. Number two, in the rewind slot this week, coming up right after this bonus episode, we've got part one and part two of NWA. Number three, next week, another two parter on Lady Gaga. That's a new episode. Number four, Zeph gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes and Hollywood land. So make sure you're subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud.

• 40:39Jake Brennan?

  Our new video podcast, episode two is coming next week on Trainspotting. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become an all access member so you can get that content. Number six, 617-906-6638.

• 40:51Jake Brennan?

  38 your voice it keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history so keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week with whatever else you want to talk about number seven don't forget discos this isn't just content it's a community a community of the obsessed no one cares about music books records and all the crime and grime it ties them all together like you do and well that's a disgrace alright March 16th 1976 that was the day this week's full episode subject of disgraceland the runaways released their debut album this is what America was listening to on that day according to the billboard charts

• 41:26Jake Brennan?

  number one December 1963 oh what a night the four seasons last week one peak position one weeks on chart 13 number two all by myself Eric Carmen last week two peak position two weeks on chart 14 number three dream Weaver Gary Wright last week six peak position three weeks on chart 12 number four take it to the limit Eagles last week four peak position four weeks on chart 14 number five

• 42:23Jake Brennan?

  quit talking and start mixing

• 42:28Jake Brennan?

  hey guys time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages second true crime voyages backed by popular demand this five night adults only escape set sail March 20th 2027 to Grand Turk in the beach club at Bimini the difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeth and he and I will be taping a live version of disgraceland along with podcast hosts from exactly right's buried bones podcast of the year award winners wisecrack and other fan favorites get on this cruise with us guys and enjoy live podcast recordings behind the scenes storytelling exclusive meet and greets and immersive true crime programming throughout this one of a kind voyage head over to

• 43:14Jake Brennan?

  virgin voyages.com slash true crime to secure your spot

• 43:19Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.