Bombshell New Evidence in the O.J. Simpson Case Feat. Chris Todd

Download the Whatnot app today and get free shipping on your first order. Just search Whatnot and start scoring amazing deals. Start paying bills the smart way, not the hard way at QuickBooks.com/billpay. Terms apply. Money movement services are provided by Intuit Payments Inc., licensed as a Money Transmitter by the New York State Department of Financial Services What if the O. J. Simpson murder case still has explosive evidence the world has never fully seen? Today’s episode is one of the most shocking and controversial conversations we’ve ever had on this show. I sat down with Chris Todd, a veteran private investigator who has spent years digging into the O. J. Simpson case, and what he shares will challenge everything you think you know about it. This is not just another recap of a famous trial. This is a deep dive into potential new evidence, overlooked details, and a theory that could completely change the narrative of what happened that night. Chris lays out a case that goes far beyond what most people heard during the trial. He believes there is compelling evidence that suggests multiple people may have been involved and that critical pieces of information were never fully explored or presented. We get into details about additional blood evidence, multiple footprints, and inconsistencies that raise serious questions about how the case was investigated and ultimately presented to the public. If even part of what he is saying is accurate, it could reshape how this entire case is viewed. We walk through the timeline step by step, from the moments leading up to the crime to what may have happened immediately after. I pressed him on the details, the logic, and the gaps, because I know you’re going to be asking those same questions. And what you’ll hear is a perspective that is both unsettling and incredibly thought-provoking. Whether you agree with his conclusions or not, there is no denying that some of the evidence he discusses deserves a closer look. This episode is not about telling you what to believe. It’s about confronting the possibility that one of the most high-profile cases in American history may still have layers we don’t fully understand. If you thought this story was settled, this conversation might make you rethink that. Listen with an open mind. Question everything. And decide for yourself what you believe really happened in the O. J. Simpson case. Key Takeaways: The potential new evidence that suggests the O. J. Simpson case may not be as clear-cut as many believe Why some forensic details like blood evidence and footprints raise new questions The theory that more than one person may have been involved How parts of the investigation and trial may have overlooked key information Why this case still sparks debate and controversy decades later 👉 SUBSCRIBE TO ED'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL NOW 👈⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ → → → CONNECT WITH ED MYLETT ON SOCIAL MEDIA: ← ← ← ➡️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INSTAGRAM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ➡️⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FACEBOOK⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ➡️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LINKEDIN⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ➡️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ➡️ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WEBSITE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:25Speaker 02

  This is the Ed and Myron Show. All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So you know, for the last 10 years, every single week, we've been putting out episodes that either change or improve your life. And that's why we've become one of the top shows in the world. And I'm very grateful for that, and I hope we continue to do that for the next 10 years. But this year, every once in a while, I want to do something that's a little bit off the beaten path for our show, which is to have a topic on the show that just fascinates me personally. And in my lifetime, one of the two or three most compelling stories, the things that just stand out as moments in time that I'll never forget, is the O.J. Simpson trial. And some information came across my desk about six months ago from somebody that has a theory as to exactly what happened

• 2:10Speaker 02

  in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman, that I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share with you. And so today, we're going to have a conversation with him. We haven't recorded it yet, we're about to go into it. And I just want to be clear, I'm not a detective, I'm not in law enforcement, I'm not an attorney, and I don't claim to know what happened exactly, uh, in the loss of life for these two precious souls. But he believes he does, and so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask the questions that I think you would want me to ask, and I think it's going to be one of the most interesting, fascinating episodes of all time on the show, and then you can decide what you think happened, and so can I at the end of the conversation. And so I'll work on your behalf to get as much information as I can and keep it as

• 2:52Speaker 02

  entertaining as possible. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. All right, guys. So I've already sort of introduced the episode today. So let me just introduce the person. I'm going to talk to Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran P I, been a private investigator a long time, but he's just one of the great truth seekers, uh, in the world today, whether that be what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie Smalls, or what we're going to talk about today mainly, which is OJ Simpson and the OJ Simpson trial. And I got to tell you, Chris, first, welcome to the show, brother. Good to have you here.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here with you. Thank you.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  I should tell you first in the audience why I have such an interest in this. Obviously, it's one of the, you know, most compelling stories of my lifetime, but I have to tell you, I haven't told you this until I wanted to record, this trial and what happened to particularly Nicole matters to me because I was fresh out of college and my business partner in my first business was dating Nicole's sister at the time the murder happened.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Really?

• 3:49Speaker 02

  And so I spent time around the family during the trial.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Get a little insight into what the family was thinking initially as well. And so this is not just something that I watched on TV. It's something that I was at least in a peripheral way around the trial and a little bit around the family. And so I'm really interested in to hear what you've discovered or what your theories are. Before you tell us what they are, on a scale of one to 100, how sure are you that what you're about to share with us is accurate? Is it, is it a 90? Is it a 52? How sure are you?

• 4:23Speaker 03

  I would say it's a 90 and the reason I leave that little 10% is because you know I've dealt with a lot of accomplices and criminals, let's say. And you have to be careful what you believe from what they say. So I always leave, I'll leave you like 10% that. And we're going to get into something interesting today that I'm going to talk about, that there's actually another person involved with them. That took me a long time to really kind of vet. So it's a fascinating story. My journey is, is, is beyond comprehension. And you know, all glory to God in a way of how I was brought into this.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  And we can get into that stuff, you know, as we go. I might know who your friend is that probably did, I won't say his name. But I think I might know who that is.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Off camera, I'll share that with you, but not relative to the story, but I want to protect those folks as well. But. Start out by asking you, most of us that watched that trial, I'd say the majority of people that watched the trial. Eventually reached the conclusion that they believe that OJ killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Most of them, how that I talked to, though, wonder whether he could have done this alone. And of course, there's a percentage of people that still believe that maybe he didn't do it, or they don't know. First of all, lay out for us what you believe. You have a book you wrote called Ron's Revenge. What you believe took place, just a general overview of what happened to these two precious souls. Who did it? They do it with someone else, they do it alone, et cetera.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And, and um, my original book was called, uh, If We Did It. This was the beginning of this saga. After I kind of met one of the key players, let's say. Um, I, I came forward against that person. Today I won't say their full name. I can say the actual name that OJ used, right? OJ kept calling him Charlie. So that's in OJ's book, chapter six of If I Did It. And OJ supposedly had confessed cryptically to Judith Regan to Fox. That interview was shelved for 12 years. It was barred from the public. Okay?

• 6:40Speaker 03

  The overview is because there's so much, I mean, just the, there's the, I mean, this is seven years of.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I saw things that I cannot even explain. So basically, OJ didn't do it alone. Okay. And I know for a fact, there's one person with them. There's possibly two people with them. Okay, that's where I leave that 10%. Okay, I know 150% that OJ did not do this alone. And a lot of people, like you said, a lot of people knew that too. And there was a lot of evidence. There was other shoe prints and blood there. There were other fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match OJ, Ron or Nicole. And I learned, and look, I'm not going to talk badly about the LAPD because they've actually

• 7:32Speaker 03

  been pretty cool listening over the years. They could have ignored me a lot, right? But they've listened. And whether they do something, that's up to them. I don't control that. But OJ did it. He had help. And it solves all the mysteries of like where the clothes went and the shoes and the knife. Why'd they never find that stuff? How did he get back to his house so fast? How did he get rid of everything and nobody saw the Bronco? And where was the Bronco at the house? Like, he got dropped off? He jumped a fence? There was all this stuff. And like most of the public, I was a fan. I was in college. I was 20 years old when it happened. And so I did live it too.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  And when I first met these guys, there was a couple of people involved with the, the, these projects, so to speak. I couldn't believe it. And it took me about a year to truly believe it after vetting it, using other sources, using my investigative techniques. And I mean, I didn't sleep for a few nights after I, I was made aware of what was going on.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Imagine. So let, let me go through what I understand and you'll just correct me because I'll be wrong about, this is 30 years ago, whatever it was. But my understanding is, is that there was some sort of a recital or something at school that day. Nicole ends up having dinner with family at, I think it's Metzaluna. I think that's the name of the place. Ron was a server there. And I, I think maybe OJ came there and there was a disagreement or he left that part you can clear up. But how do you get from Metzaluna to OJ pulling up? Let me just help speed this up too. OJ lives down the street. There's a front entrance in Nicole's house. There's a back entrance in Nicole's house. My understanding is you believe that he drove down what would be considered like the back alley that night.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Fix what I just said that's wrong. Um, my understanding also is that Nicole supposedly left some glasses at the restaurant. Called the restaurant. Ron agrees to deliver them to the house that night. And what, one, how did he get there? And B, why did he do this? Like what compels this guy? He was obviously violent with her in the past, but this night, did he intend to kill her? Did he intend to scare her? What makes him get in his car knowing he's flying to Chicago, I think later that night? And drive over there and do this? What's, what's, what spurred this change in his behavior or acceleration of his behavior?

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. And you remind me at the end, I'm going to start with the first part of what you said, and then I should be able to remember that second part. Um, they go to, there is a recital. Nicole does go to dinner at Metzaluna with her family and the kids. OJ doesn't go. Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a lot of different theories.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Was he at the recital and that's where there was a?

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Right, yeah. He was filmed there. A guy from Portland, Oregon filmed OJ kissing one of his children. And that was a big piece of the story and case. So he was there. Nicole and OJ were not speaking to each other at this time. On June 12th, 1994, they hated each other. Like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain it. There's a couple of things about this IRS letter. They, I mean, they were, it was bad. It was really bad. And there were a lot of warning signs over the years. Okay? And these friends should have stepped in. This, this murder is not premeditated. It's not.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Okay. OJ's waiting for a limousine to come take him to the airport to go to Chicago. Within minutes, minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm talking within minutes. Okay?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Basically, what happens is, I'm gonna say two men show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they owe some money to them.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  OJ and them owe these people money?

• 11:35Speaker 03

  There's two, I'm gonna say this, cuz I can say this legally. Charlie, quote unquote, and another gentleman, that I may say the name as we go because he died, he's dead, okay?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  If I remove, I know Charlie's there. If I remove the second guy, right, and I just focus on one guy doing an extortion, right? You owe us money, they owe us money for drugs, you guys have been, you know? You have to understand the mafia mentality. It's a setup, it's an extortion to get money out of him cuz OJ has nowhere to go. Who's he gonna go to? The cops? He can't go anywhere. So, OJ had a drug problem, a lot of people knew that, and he was entangled in the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole, so was Faye Restnik. To some degree, Keith Z may have been, these were the people from Mezzaluna, these were the good friends of Nicole.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  There was a lot of stuff going on in LA in 94, okay? Basically, OJ freaks out and says, "No, I'm not do, I'm not giving you a dime." And they're, they're, the tables have turned, and OJ says, "We're going to Nicole's." And he has them go in a Bronco with him, to Nicole's house, at about, at about 10:20 PM, he leaves Rockingham. Cuz the limo lands at like 10:25, he misses him, the limo never sees a Bronco, okay?

• 13:07Speaker 02

  What compels this guy, knowing he's getting on an airplane, to drive over there? So you're saying what compelled him is one or two of these shadowy figures, kinda mob dudes? And you think he's investigated this, everybody, this isn't something that he's just look, you know? It's actually something that OJ said as well. So these guys, well, here's a confrontation. Backdrop on that just really quickly is, you said OJ had a drug problem. Did OJ also help, do you believe in his past, maybe distribute or sell any of these drugs to people? And that's why he was entangled with these two guys?

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely, he was facilitating deals with these two men, absolutely, 100%, and I can prove that. And also, AC was too, and that can be proven also. It's, some of it's in the public domain, it's talk-

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Drugs when he's got a Hertz rental car deal, he's making some movies. He's on, I think he's doing football on NBC at the time. Was he hurting for money? How's he hurting for money? Plus, he's got an NFL pension. Why is he dealing drugs?

• 14:05Speaker 03

  This is, this is the segue into the seven deadly sins. This is the segue into temptation. I believe through my cases, a lot of them, and I talk about this, my spirituality and God and Jesus with these cases and how they helped me in a way is OJ was possessed by anger, jealousy, rage. He's angry, he's embarrassed, he's mad. And when we hit that point of no return, there is no turning back. He couldn't turn back. He told his bail bondsman in Vegas, years later, I should have just got on my plane. He knew in the retrospect, I, what was I doing?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Why? He could have told these guys, hey, chill out, I'll take care of it. Why does he need to, why does he need to race to Nicole's? Before he's gonna get in a limo to go on an airplane because of his anger?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Okay, so if I could, I don't want to do that a lot, but there's just in case people aren't familiar. There was a, this was a very volatile relationship. There was violence in the relationship. They'd broken up and got back together several times. There are, you know, pretty valid stories that maybe that Nicole had dated, we'll call it dated, a few of OJ's friends. He had had some frustration about that. But I don't understand, two guys show up, kind of a shakedown, you owe us money, why Nicole's house? Why is that where he's going?

• 15:28Speaker 03

  So they, so they named Nicole. When they're talking to him, they're saying her name. And they're also saying Keith Z's name. Now Keith Z was the one that triggered a lot of this anger, the 911 call in October of 93. The stalking incidents, that's Keith. So when they say Nicole's name, Faye Restnik, Keith, this is setting him off. They're pushing his buttons, okay? And, and it's, it's dark, man. He, obviously, a guy that was that good looking, that charismatic, that famous, you're absolutely right. We can't see how he would do it.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  But God can and the devil can. They, that, that's what happens all the time, almost every day. People do things they should not do. So. You know, it's a sad story. It became a total mess after that. There's a lot of different theories and evidence that pointed to this. And, you know, I do want to touch about the cover up and the censorship of this story, but we can keep going.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  So either one of these guys, which is the first time I heard you with your theory, you thought there was one guy. Let's just leave room that there could be a second guy with him in your theory, everybody. I have no idea what happened, obviously. I've not done any investigating. So they end up in his car. You say it's not premeditated, but then at the same time, I've been told he's wearing gloves and a mask. So if it's not premeditated, why does gloves and a mask?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Not a mask. That's something Mark Fuhrman said. There was no mask. It was just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he wore when he golf, he said. The gloves were driving gloves. Okay, they're isotones. He wasn't in like this costume. Like people try to say that. Look, let me, I'm gonna give you the quick sound bite. OJ wants to scare her. Okay, he had stalked her before in all black clothing, probably had the cap on. Maybe he had the gloves. Maybe he had thought about this before, doing this before. Keith Z talks about this when he watches them through the window. He felt he could be killed. Okay, he could have come in. He was like trying to get in the house. It was all locked. Okay?

• 17:42Speaker 03

  So he had done this before with Colby's in the trial, had talked about seeing a man, black man outside at Gretna Green. So a lot of people know that. So he's, wants to scare her. And in his book, in chapter six, he tells you, I'm gonna go read her the riot act. He wants to scare her. Now whether he tries to say, I have a knife, I took it, I took it up from under the seat. Look at this blade. And he tells Charlie, look at this blade. And Charlie says in the chapter of the book, what are you doing, dude? Put that away. You're gonna go talk to her, go talk to her. Right? So there's confusion about how many knives there really are. Do these other guys have knives and guns?

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Most likely, I mean, dealers carry weapons, period, especially in the

• 18:33Speaker 03

  The white, the snow game, okay? They are ready to die at any moment. Okay, anyone will tell you that in that game. So they're there to scare them. When they show up and go through the back gate, the problem is there's Ron Goldman at the front. Here's a white guy, good looking, dressed to the nines, dropping off Judita's glasses, Nicole's mother. She dropped him on the sidewalk. If she never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman most likely is alive today.

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• 21:05Speaker 02

  You believe, just I've always wondered this, you believe that this was just coincidental? And that there was no, probably no pre-existing relationship between Ron and Nicole that was anything more than-

• 21:16Speaker 03

  They were friends. There's no evidence that they were lovers. Actually, I do have a piece of tabloid evidence in the discovery file that I'm willing to show to people for free, where it talks about Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole. I have it in the witness statements from one of Ron's friends, okay?

• 21:35Speaker 02

  You have the blonde lady that comes in the restaurant, he's got a crush on her, right?

• 21:39Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Is it also accurate, before you tell us what you think happened, correct me if I'm wrong, because I certainly could be, that the wounds on both of them, and please tell me if I'm wrong about this, because this is significant to your point, that there's evidence that it is two different knives that were used in the assault? If that's true, why in the world did that not come out at trial, or did it?

• 22:03Speaker 03

  It did. And what happened was, in the very beginning, they put on Dr. Erwin Golden, who was the coroner, the original coroner. He was the deputy coroner, he had a boss, Dr. Lakshmanen, but he did the autopsy, Dr. Erwin Golden. He says in the preliminary hearing, there's two morphologically different types of stab wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with them, he starts grilling them, could two knives have been used? Yes. And that's all recorded. Now, what happens the next day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case, literally, and that's a problem. They actually went to other coroners across the country for somebody else. Why?

• 22:47Speaker 03

  Because it's a cover-up. They don't want to hear that there's two knives. And it's, so this is, this thing was rooted right in the beginning with cover-up, right away. And there's different reasoning for that. Some of it, they just wanted OJ, some guys were afraid of the mob guys. Look, one of the guys is an animal, not Charlie, the other one. If he was still alive today, I would not be talking to you.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Fair enough. So philosophically, what you believe is there was, we're going to go into this moment with Ron Goldman in a minute, but you do believe that OJ did this with an accomplice. Having said that, you also believe there was on the prosecution side and the law enforcement side, you also believe there was tampering of evidence and a cover up. He's nodding his head, but just for audio, you're saying yes to that.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Yes, there was planting of evidence. There's proof of that EDTA in different segments of the blood on different pieces of evidence and the glove may have been planted by Mark Furman behind the house.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Okay, so now we'll go, now we're going to go back to this moment. So OJ's coming up the walkway from the alley behind Ron's at the front door, talking to Nicole, delivering the glass, mom's glasses. Do you, you probably don't know this, but you believe OJ walked up there alone initially, or is these other one or two men with him as he walks up?

• 24:11Speaker 03

  OJ tries to say in his book and his confession in chapter six, that Charlie followed this guy in. What he's trying to say is that like, he goes in first to stalk and look through the windows and I, I see candles and I hear music. I believe the Charlie and the other gentleman are with OJ at this time. I don't believe they're like coming from the front and waiting. I think they all come through together through the back.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  And just to be clear with everybody, it's not in the house. It's in like a foyer, like a uh

• 24:42Speaker 03

  A walkway.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Walkway, like a courtyard area near the house, correct? So that's what you meant by in. They're not inside the house. They're outside. Okay. And then in your theory, what takes place now in this horrific incident?

• 24:54Speaker 03

  When, when they come down, the, the, there's stairs. They have to go up and down these stairs. It's a long walkway. They're, as they come down, they see Ron Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. They see that now it's very dark. There's very little lighting there. It's a very small space. I talked about this. Four angry people in a very dark space, in a small space. Ron's there, they're unsuspecting. Nicole's got the menu, like she's gonna order food. She's barefoot. So obviously she just came out of the house. He buzzed to come out. He's got the glasses in a white envelope. This was a big piece of the evidence, okay? He's doing that, they're talking. Here come the bulls in the china shop.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  What do you got? What's up? What? They're startled at first, like whoa, what's, OJ, what are you doing here? Nicole hates him. So imagine she sees him, I don't know if she sees him holding a knife, maybe? He's dressed with the gloves and the hat, because they find it there. And there's two other guys or one guy with him. What's going on? You're not supposed to be here at all. Then there's Ron there. And it's just awkward and a fight begins, an argument. And a gentleman hears this, Robert Heidstra, he hears it, parts of it. Crossed the street in an alley. And the prosecution tried to not use him. Like you'll see all this cover up from the prosecution. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all there.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  And basically a fight breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on OJ. And from that moment, there's no turning back. The other knife being used, I do believe there are two knives. I, I do. Through the autopsy, through the evidence, I, I do believe there's two people doing it.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  And you believe, maybe just for, just so everyone should just know this, the level of blood that was there. And maybe talk for a second, just so everyone knows how, uh, my understanding is this Ron Goldman young man fought pretty valiantly if there's two or three dudes there.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  Absolutely, he did.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  My understanding also is Nicole was nearly decapitated. The wounds were so severe on her.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Maybe that's not true. You clarify that.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, they exaggerate the decapitation thing a little bit. Her spine was nicked. Okay? It didn't go through the spine. Okay? A lot of people try to say this. It's, it's, let's just say it's a nasty slice of the throat. Okay? It's not a decapitation. The, um, Ron is attacked and, and yes, he stabbed over 20 times. Okay? 25, somewhere in there. He is fighting. There's bruising on both his knuckles, all both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. He's obviously punching. Now, when you look at OJ Simpson, did OJ have any marks on his face? No. So is he punching OJ or is he punching somebody else?

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Why is there blood from somebody else at the crime scene? Again, more signs that there's someone else involved. Okay? And yes, the blood is everywhere. You know, Nicole's feet are, her bare feet have no blood on them. There's a little spatter, I think, on maybe a part of her foot, but she's not standing in her blood. Okay? So she's down. She's always down on the ground. Okay? Ron is not really standing in hers either. So I do believe Ron was killed first. She's either knocked out, dazed, one guy's holding her down, right? He could be hitting her, but the, the, the final cut is at the end.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  When she's propped up on the stairs, because we have evidence of that, there's a wall of blood coming down a certain step. That's where she has to be. She's up on the stairs. And then her legs are underneath the gate. The gate's only like six inches high. You could not get her legs under there if she's standing up. She has to be laying down. So he, he yanks her hair back on the stairwell.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  The, uh, how definitive is it that there's a third party's blood there?

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely. There's, there's other blood at the crime scene and in the Bronco, 100%.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Um, just in the interest of time, I'd rather just sit in this space for a minute and it's sort of a sacred place where these two beautiful people lost their lives. But we are doing a show here, so we're going to continue to progress through the scene. I've always, you know, just for me personally, wondered this really young stud athletic Goldman guy, how one dude would be able to kill both of these very athletic people. Um, not with a gun, but with a knife, you would just think someone could have fleed or something, you know? So it is a compelling idea that there were multiple people there. Now, we know from trial that on the way out, there's these footprints, as I understand it, from these unique shoes that OJ Simpson wears. You can discuss that.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  But also, are there other footprints leaving the scene that are not OJ's?

• 30:04Speaker 03

  Yes, there are. There's a 10, 10 and a half size parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee and Barry Scheck talk about. They do a whole testimony on it, circulate. They call it the P L P, which means parallel line print. It's not OJ's. OJ is a Z shape and he's a 12. They're different shoes. They're not close in size. They're not close in print, period. There's about four of the accomplices shoes, whether those are Charlie's or the other gentleman. I pretty much know who it is, but let's just leave it open. Those are walking to the back also. So you have OJ's shoes, the Bruno Mali, size 12, Z shape,

• 30:49Speaker 03

  clear prints. I mean, multiple clear prints. They never found his shoes. That's the problem. They never found these clothes, the shoes. They found the hat and the two gloves, one glove at Rocky and one glove at Bundy. You see what I mean? They didn't find the evidence. So they didn't find the knife or knives, right? So there is, yes, there are shoe prints walking out of to the alley to two sets.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Okay, let's stay on the can't find the evidence thing. I've heard two theories on that. The first theory is that it comes back in his duffel bag and Kardashian walks away from it. When they're at the house, uh, when OJ comes back. The other theory I've heard is that somebody saw him putting it in a trash can at LAX. Uh, when he got out of the limo that night. Have you, which of those two or neither do you believe to be? Why they never found everything?

• 31:42Speaker 03

  My, my theory with all of this is the, the Kardashian bag was a garment bag. There's nothing in there. Okay. Even I think Kim Kardashian said she went through it. I don't know if that's true, but I think I heard that. That's his clothes. He, Robert Kardashian should never have been allowed to take that. Here's another bumbling by the LAPD. Okay. This man just came back. He's a murder suspect. You're, someone's grabbing his luggage? Like it's insane. It's borderline insane. Um, so now Skip Junis says, I saw OJ sticking something in the garbage can. What I believe that is, is the towel that OJ used to wipe himself off at the house

• 32:23Speaker 03

  and possibly his boxer shorts. Okay. That's what he's stuffing in the thing. But look, they said they searched all the trash cans at, at LAX. You can look up. They said, oh, nothing. So I don't know what he's doing. I do believe Skip Junis. I don't think he's making it up. And the OJ didn't want them, Alan Park and Cato to touch this bag. That stuff could be in there. Absolutely. Because look, think of it this way. What's he gonna do with the towel after he goes in and he's bloody in his house? He can't leave that towel there. He leaves the socks there. Whether those are planted from the hamper, we don't know. They don't see blood on those socks at first.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  They don't think there's any blood. It comes weeks later. They go, oh, we found, we found Nicole's blood. And then there's a whole drama about that, about the LAPD leaked a story with a woman named Tracy Savage because she was sleeping with him. Like again, it's just all this and the stuff didn't even get tested yet.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  In your theory, I suppose potentially this, these other, other man or other two men, they could have left with the evidence.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Out of the clothes, OJ does not take these clothes back to his property. As for the glove, there's a couple of theories. Did Mark Furman plant the glove? Did he take it from the crime scene? Did he put it in the Bronco first? And then when Kato says, I heard, then he goes and, oh, I'll be right back. And then he takes the glove out of the Bronco and he puts it behind the house. We don't know. Are there other people jumping the fence? When, when OJ's coming back, they're all scrambling back to the property because their cars there? I don't know. These are, there's a couple of things I, I don't have the answers to, but.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  I like every answer. I think it makes the story somewhat more credible. Let me, uh, let me parse a couple of things here. So now OJ gets back. By the way, why don't you, at this point, you said he's passed away. Do you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is?

• 34:24Speaker 03

  I can say his name because it's out there. Joey Appolito.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Joey Appolito and he, he's a, he's a rough dude. That's what you're saying.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Off ya hardcore, drug smuggler, killer. Absolutely.

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• 36:37Speaker 02

  So Joey Appolito and this other guy, and OJ, or, or just the two of them, get back in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get back to OJ's house. While this murder is happening, the limo driver has already arrived at OJ's house, just so everybody gets timing. Also, because I'm from that area, you should just let everybody know how close it is back to OJ's house. And then take us through that, how quick's the drive? And then what do you believe takes place next?

• 37:04Speaker 03

  OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy or two guys or passengers will say that. He almost hits Jill Shively, crashes through San Vicente, lights off. This is a very famous story. She sees him, gets the license plate. This is about 10:50 PM. It's the proper time. It all lines up. They race back, lights off, which is insane. I just did this drive yesterday. He drives about two, three minutes to Rockingham and he's up there and he parks on a side street. He cannot pull up to the house. He cannot. OJ's dropped off. Whichever way he comes in, does he come through the front gate? Does he jump the fence? Does he go through the two tennis courts?

• 37:46Speaker 03

  In his book, he says he comes through the tennis courts around the back of the house. That's what he says. We don't know, okay? The blood droplets kind of lead from the gate to the house. He could have come through the front gate, dropped him off there. The Bronco is not parked at all. Okay? It is being held on another street with the evidence in it. OJ comes back quickly, comes in the house. Alan Park says, I saw a six foot black man dressed in all black clothing. I think it's his skin. I don't think he's dressed. He's stripped down. He's not seeing him in any clothes. Okay, maybe black boxers and black.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Limo driver, everybody.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  The limo driver, Alan Park, very key witness, as was Kato Kalen, because they're together. When OJ reenters the house, literally, he sees Kato at the same time he sees OJ in the driveway. He won't say OJ, though. He keeps saying a six foot black man. So that's something he has to address for the rest of his life. Okay, and OJ rushes in, then he's still buzzing at the gate and he finds the answers and says, oh, I overslept. I'll be right down. Showering. I don't even know if he showers. He says he took a shower. To me, I think he just cleans up. I don't think

• 39:06Speaker 03

  he showers. They do find blood in the sink drain, but not in the pipe supposedly, whatever. In the bathroom sink drain, they find a blood. I think he doesn't have time to shower. So he's racing to dry himself off, put on a Band-Aid to his cut left middle finger, right? And now he's coming down like nothing happened. Actor mode. He's a little out of breath. They talk about that. A little sweaty, like, look like he's a little frazzled. And then he starts loading the limousine. And the limousine pulls away, and that's when the Bronco comes back in this park when they're gone.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  So these guys were in the Bronco. Just because you said blood, I just want to ask you two blood questions because it's evidence. Whose blood was found in his sink and whose blood was eventually found in the Bronco?

• 39:58Speaker 03

  OJ's blood is found in the sink.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Okay, what about the Bronco?

• 40:02Speaker 03

  The Bronco, all of their blood. Now watch. Ron, Nicole, OJ, and the other accomplice.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  There's four different blood samples. The steering wheel, steerum column is, OJ tells you this in his Ross Becker interview. He says there was blood on the steering wheel that didn't come back to me, Ron or Nicole. I, I, I offer, whose blood was that? Cause he's trying to tell you. He knows through all the evidence, and this was after he was acquitted. So he could speak, you know what I mean? He, he could tell you now. That was first interview. It's a fascinating interview. People should watch the Ross Becker interview. And, and there's a BET one he does, one in England. He does a few over the years and he tells you. And then he tells you, and if I did it, he had help. You just didn't want to believe him.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  And the media was somewhat forced to block the story.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Why is the media forced to block the story?

• 41:05Speaker 03

  In, in 2006, because the Goldman's, when OJ does the book in the interview, the Goldman's get so mad. They write Rupert Murdoch and Fox, and Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves the interview. The book is kind of shelved, but it kind of comes out, but that interview is never seen for 12 years.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Remember that. Okay. So I guess we should go to, now he's in Chicago. They call him back. It is important because not everybody knows these details. You referenced it earlier. He has a pretty significant wound on him. And what's the story for where this wound came from? Cause he had to come up with this explanation for that.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  And he's, I mean, he's still bleeding. If you look at the photo, when he comes back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours after the murders. He is still bleeding. It's crazy. It's on his left middle finger. Now there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman thought the dog bit him. That's viable, right? The dog's barking, the dog witnesses the murders. The dog's name was Cato, named after Cato Kaelin. The doctor says these are glass shards, okay, Hazenga, who is OJ's doctor. There's a couple little cuts there. And OJ says he broke the glass in the sink in Chicago. So that's where he says it comes from.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  What I believe happened is he is hit with a knife on his finger. Whether it's himself or it's the other assailant. When they're swinging, his hand is either on Ron's neck or grabbing his hair and he gets popped. That's what I believe that is.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  It just is a, is a, in the interest of protecting everybody involved here. You said earlier that you're, you're 90% sure these two guys are involved, but you're 100% sure at least one of them is involved with them. And I, I know this is obvious, but I just want to take this for the record because this is your story. It's not mine. You're 100% sure about OJ's involvement.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  100%.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  So he gets back, we'll go to the house just really quick again and put a bow on this. OJ gets back to the house. The theory is Kato says he hears a thump on the guest house that he's in, right? That's weird to me, but I've always thought that was odd.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  The signal, because the way Kato says it in, in the very beginning, he makes a noise like, oh, somebody hit the wall. And it was like, then when he's in the trial, he goes, he makes it very deliberate as if someone's signaling that him. Now, whether he's thinking straight, I don't know. He messes up a couple of times in the trial, like, well, the lights were off. Oh, no, they were on. He's like, he's trying to help OJ like, he, he doesn't know what to say. So he's getting, he's trying to give different answers. I believe,

• 43:55Speaker 03

  I think OJ came behind the house and signaled for Kato to come out. I could be wrong. He's not crashing into any air conditioner. OJ knows the property, like the back of his hand. He's not crashing in anything. I think he's saying to come out and distract the limousine driver. I can't prove it. Katos will not talk to me. He will not address it at all. So I'm sticking with that for now. That that's a signal.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay, so just a couple of things have always bothered me about this whole story. This is compelling what you're saying, and if this evidence you've described is accurate, it's mind blowing that the world doesn't know this. It's mind blowing that they got through an entire, the most public trial in the history of our country. And that many of these things, the first time most human beings are hearing this is right now. That's mind blowing to me, number one. Number two, there was little parts of everything that just always thought, I thought, I'll be candid, I thought OJ did it, right? But I was around that, so I saw it. But this idea of the glove not fitting, you know, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  That part to me never bugged me. What bugged me was how the heck does one glove end up at OJ's house? That just seems weird to me. It's bizarre, like, can you address your, I have two thoughts on it. One, how's he bring one club over there, right? There's a part of me is like, there's no way that's true. But then there's another part of me that thinks in the heat of the moment, Furman's not going to take a glove and plant it because he's not 100% sure OJ did it. So why would you then go hide or move evidence that early? Not even knowing you got the right guy, not knowing what happened, you could lose your entire career by putting that glove there. Maybe unnecessarily. So both of those sort of just, I don't, I can't, I can't get my mind around it.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  There's two theories. I'm going to give you both, and I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger for these other guys to do their theory. Because there's some other people working on this right now that are bringing up some good points about how that glove got back there. The first theory is the Stevens singular theory, which was legacy of deception. He was instrumental. He was a reporter from Colorado, had a source, said, you need to look at the glove, the blood, the bag and the stick. And he wrote a book called Legacy of Deception. He told the prosecution softly, they wanted nothing to do with them. He went to the defense. He says Mark Furman takes the glove from the crime scene and puts it in the Bronco.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Okay, he knows OJ's involved. He know he is, he knows he is. He knows it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He lies and says, oh, I didn't know it was Nicole till like six in the morning. That he knew exactly who it was. They, they saw the pictures of OJ in the house. They knew who it was. Mark Fuhrman as a history of planting evidence. Okay, period. Provable, end of story. Did crazy things. He, he made the Mark Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this. Then he tried to backpedal and said, oh, it was all for a movie. Okay, sure. This is the theme of everybody. They're all got like two, they're always flip flopping. Okay. So he says, he puts it in the Bronco first and leaves it in there.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  When, when he interviews Cato and Cato goes, I heard something. Was there an earthquake? I heard something on the back of my wall. Mark Fuhrman leaves him for 15 minutes and nobody knows where Mark Fuhrman is. Even Van Ader and Lang, and I think Ron Phillips is there. They're not, they don't know where Fuhrman is. They're still with Arnell and Cato. Fuhrman disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they try to say every minute, what's he doing? See, Steven Singler's theory is he goes to the Bronco. He has a stick that he pulled from a fence. He picks up the glove, whether he has it in evidence bag or he just walks it in the back and drops it there. And he puts it there. Now that's the first theory. Okay.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  The second theory is a new set of people are working on that they believe, and I won't say too much. They believe that glove falls out of something. Not by OJ doing that, that someone else dropped it. That's up to them. I need to leave that open. I can't talk too much about it.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  I just don't know. The, the, the glove being there is one of the more bizarre parts of the entire trial to me.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  No, it's, it makes me crazy.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too. And yet at the same time, I'm thinking Fuhrman's taken a pretty huge risk doing that that night, not knowing all of the elements.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  You have to listen to the Fuhrman tapes. He planted evidence on other men before. Marsha Clark knew he was a cop. They knew, they warned her. Don't use them. You remember what Steven Singler is saying, and I knew Steven, he passed away. What he's trying to say is Mark wants to be in the center of the case. So what better way for him to find the glove? He decks himself right into it.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Why is a couple of things, by the way, this is just fascinating and thank you for the information. I don't have.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  And the sad thing is, the funny thing is, see, you don't know about this because the media is blocking the story. That's why you don't know, even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for five years and their stuff at all the major outlets. And they refuse to tell the story.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Why though? So everything I always look at is like, okay, why would Furman put the glove over there? Like realistically, why did they not pay attention to the blood evidence at the scene? Why would the media now, 30 years later, why would they block this? Or they just not believe it? Do they just make it as simple as they don't believe it?

• 49:53Speaker 03

  We could give them partially that out, right? We could say, hey, they don't believe Chris Todd. They don't believe this Charlie guy. Problem is, did you talk to Charlie? Did you do any investigation? Cause if you did, you'd see it. See, I'm not calling them lazy. What I'm saying, and I used other people to do it, not just me, because I had to prove they're not just mad at me. They blocked everybody else too, all of them. They blocked them all. I believe what they're doing is it's a paradigm. They don't want to change it, right? It's kind of like JFK. You got the museums, they don't want to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you say, oh, I know who the shooter was on the grass, you know, they don't want to hear it. They don't, they don't want to hear it.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  So, and this goes to the truth, and I talk about Copernicus and the stories of, you know, when people speak a truth. I'm not going to say Jesus, that's way out of my league, but when they speak a truth that nobody wants, an inconvenient truth, they, they shun it. They get rid of it. So it's not a weird, it's not that weird. You know what I mean?

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Inconvenient truth is your leading mirror want to go, I don't want to go into the trial because, you know, I've done enough reading on the trial about, you know, I, it, even after jury selection, I don't think OJ was going to be convicted. I don't think, I think the legal team was tremendous. I'm, Chris Darden seems like a nice guy. Marcia, you have your theories about them. I don't even want to cover that.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  It it looked like the deck was stacked and obviously I think even in retrospect, Marcia or Darden would probably tell you they'd do some things differently for sure. I've actually seen Chris Darden say that. I want to go after the trial. So there's obviously, most people don't know this, but there's a civil trial afterwards because most people think OJ was innocent. He got off or wasn't innocent, but he was found. Right. He was acquitted, right? Well, yeah, but then there was a civil trial. Why don't you just refresh everybody's memory? What happened there? Because this is valid. And then on top of that, Chris, why would he then do these interviews and write a book if I did it? What was his motivation? For doing, was it just money?

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Why did he do it? So talk about the civil and also OJ would even afterwards do all this, which is bizarre.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  The civil trial, he is found guilty, the preponderance of evidence, 51%, whatever you want to say. He does long depositions. He speaks, he sings for days. They got him in there for like seven, eight days in the deposition. He's wearing his different sweaters. You can see by the different days by his clothing. He's there forever. He's talking. You can't, you can't pinch him. One of his lawyers told him not to talk and and he said, no, I'm gonna. And I know the lawyer personally, he's a good guy. He told him, don't say a word. Let's just go to it. But OJ tried to talk himself out of it and he lost. So that was a $33 million judgment for the Browns and the Goldman's together.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  That he was found responsible for their murders. He never paid a dime. What he did was they liquidated some of his stuff and I'm going to call out one of his friends right now.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  They got about 300 grand from things in his house. You know what OJ's friends decided to do? They decided to take the real jerseys and switch them with fake jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend they were the jerseys and grab footballs and scuff them up in the driveway and then pretend those were the real ones. And then that guy stole all the stuff.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  I heard that.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're disturbing. Everybody around OJ is a scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him with him after the murders was a scumbag. Period. End of story. I can prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. So it's disturbing. Like he never pays. He goes, I won't work. I won't work. Okay, now, now let's move on. He does interviews right away. Ross Becker, bang, they probably paid him a million dollars. I don't know how much they paid him. He did BET, he flew out to England, he did Judy Finnegan, he did that one, he does others, Ruby Wax, he does Chris Myers with ESPN. He wants to talk to you. Wants to talk. Nicole used to always joke

• 54:14Speaker 03

  about it. There he goes again, large head, talking again. He was a talker. And if, and look, I will never be on a level of OJ's popularity. I brought up myself from nothing. I've had some notoriety. It's addictive. It is. When I'm not, sometimes I'm like, oh man, I gotta get back to those levels I was a few years ago. You wanna go back. And I knew OJ would come forward eventually, and he did 12 years later. In 2006, he decided to tell his story. And he did. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He told you there's an accomplice. You didn't listen. You didn't wanna

• 54:56Speaker 03

  believe him. And then, nobody investigated this. It was easily investigated. Easily.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  So if I did it, the book that OJ wrote, I believe is what it's called, and it was, you believe that that is an actual confession, not some parody or novel?

• 55:12Speaker 03

  That is, that is a cryptic confession, and all he does is say, this is purely hypothetical. And when he does that, if you really look at his face, you could tell he's lying. It's not hypothetical. Now whether the Charlie guy represents both of the guys, or the Charlie guy represents, it's a fake name for the other gentleman, like they're blaming each other and they don't wanna say his real name. Charlie's a term like Charlie Don't Surf, you know, Charlie Company. It's, it's a term. Okay, so it's not like that has to be a person, right? People thought it was OJ's alter ego. That's what they really thought it was. That's what

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Darden says. I think Charlie's OJ. And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad thought. But my question and challenges to all of you is, why didn't you look at it? If he said it in 06, and he wrote it in a book, why didn't you investigate every single Charlie he knew? Why didn't you look at every piece of evidence again? Why not? That's why OJ says too, this was the greatest murder case in history. Why didn't they really look at it? I find it curious. There'll never be another OJ again. He was a genius and I hate to say it like that. What he did on this afterwards is complete brilliance. Okay, not in a good way, but a lot of brilliant people are sometimes evil.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  And again, everybody, just for my audience, you know, this is Chris's evidence. I, I, I don't, I haven't been able to validate whether the, there was multiple blood at the scene and the footprints and all of that. But I've seen enough of this and just, in all candor, if my audience is wondering why I did it. I've had, I protect them too, but there's a significant person in OJ's legal team. That I had some very late night extended wine with.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Cool.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  The many of the things that Chris is saying, I had heard elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave at. And so that doesn't mean it's accurate. I'm not pulling the two things together. I'm just telling you that I wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the first time I had heard any of these things. Now, some of the things Chris says, it's the first time I've heard them. But some of them aren't and I'll just kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you a question. I've always been fascinated with, with what it would be like to be OJ Simpson now the rest of my life. After I know I've likely killed these two human beings. And I'm wondering if you have any insight or information? How did he live out the rest of his life?

• 57:48Speaker 02

  I mean, we know he went to jail and all that again, but did he carry guilt? Did he ever share with people privately how he felt? Like, what's the profile on this guy as he's aging and facing mortality? Do you have any insight into anything about him at that point?

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I know people that knew him personally over the years. I knew a couple of different PIs that knew him. Um, family members, I've spoken to a lot of people from this case. You know, if you look at OJ right after the acquittal, he used to talk to people outside his house at Rockingham, eating a donut. He didn't care. This is a narcissist. He's, he's, he's happy. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying alimony if he says he never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't have that headache. Yeah. Does he go to bed at night sad that the mother of his children is gone? Probably. I'm sure he's human, right? But he kept living normal. Now supposedly he had a reality show.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  He did a graphic video with a woman that he ripped the cameras out of the room. This is a funny story that they offered him a million dollars to do a adult movie. He showed up, classic OJ, and said, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And he ripped the cameras out of the room. And they had the audio only. And so he, I think OJ became a criminal after this, right? He started to hang out with all these hustler types. The Vegas robbery happens. He's with a bunch of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to rob. What? Footballs and jerseys and a picture in the car. Why do you need a gun? You don't. They, they robbed Alfred Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you could push over with your two fingers.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  Okay, like, there's, there's no need. I think he was lost. I think he was cursed by what he did, right? And I've seen mediums talk about Nicole punishing him and sending the, the Christie Prodi was the Nicole look alike. She looked exactly like Nicole. Look at OJ's girlfriend. It's creepy. I mean, very similar. And she was, they both were into drugs and she's off the rails and. He, you know, he also had hid money. He was given deals. He had an internet show he was gonna do. He was one of the first people to do an internet show. If you look it up on MN1. So he was living his life, hiding money, not giving it to the Goldmans and the Browns.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  People had put his house in a different name. Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave him a Bentley. Like, there's all this stuff. So.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  He, I think, did the best he could to make as much money as he could. He had a pension, twenty grand a year with a month. So, but I think he was always haunted and he told people over the years, I should have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff Felix in jail, two drug dealers came to my house the night of the murders, too. Jeff writes it in the book. I met Jeff and he also tells it in the Ed Opperman interview. Go listen to it, people. So, OJ was telling us, no one can keep that secret. Come on. No one can. And even, and even people close to OJ, they couldn't keep the secret either. They called me at midnight threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff, and then

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  I'd catch them lying about the evidence and they'd hang up and, you know, I, I basically, look, I beat these people. I beat the dream team. And I'm not saying it in a arrogant way, it's just the truth. I beat all these people. I beat them. I met Barry Scheck. I met Bob Blasier. Shapiro said a nice thing about me once. Chris Darden sent me nasty texts. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter. Now, did I get lucky? Was I in the right place at the right time? Sure, a little bit. Well, so was Gary Webb. So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay, so that's just my piece and I'm, you know, I'm glad you let me kind of say it this way.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Well, I'm glad I, I, again, I just wanted, audience, you make up your own mind. I just asked the questions today, the ones that I would hope that many of you would ask. The other thing I want to say too about Chris is this is not like, you know, his first rodeo. And so, there's, he's done work on the Kurt Cobain situation that you guys can go get. You want to tell them about that and, and also Biggie Smalls as well. That's a fascinating case. Like you're, you picked the Biggies after this OJ thing. So tell them a little bit about the work you're doing.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I'm doing JonBenet Ramsey right now and people can watch my interview on CineMills TV. I have a lot of my interviews over there. The Biggie, I did a Biggie deep dive interview. I do believe that is a fake news story about the killer. I do believe those killers are still alive on Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can prove it. That's been censored. Again, most of my stuff gets kind of censored. It's not a pity party. I'm just telling you facts, period.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  I I helped a guy who witnessed Kurt Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Burns. He had the courage to come forward and to tell his story of what he saw that night. And that's called To Kurt, I'm Sorry. And I encourage people to reward him for his his courage courage. Um, and his bravery. And Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide. Um, that story also, the media has repeatedly blocked me for the last two and a half years. And that's okay. Like I said, I'm not, I'm gonna get them out. I will beat them. They're not gonna stop me. Okay. And the book is selling okay, but there's no real press about it yet. So, um, I encourage your readers to check out it if you like that.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Now, remember Kurt Cobain, his death was two months before OJ's case. So these are both in 1994. And Kurtz was brushed under the rug because OJ happened in June. Kurtz was in April.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  So it's it's fascinating. And Biggie's was in 97. So it's kind of, yeah.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Making me feel old, by the way, but uh. I gotta tell you, the audience, everybody, you make up your own minds. I just wanted to have the interesting story on today. I think you'd agree with me that there's enough in here that was worthy of at least a conversation. And it certainly is, uh, it fills in some gaps if you, um, believe what Chris is saying. And if you don't, I asked you the questions and you've come to your conclusion. But either way, Chris, um, I know you've taken a lot of arrows over the work you do. And very grateful that you take the time to share your work with us, your beliefs. And, um, I'd at least want to leave it open where you can send people where to find you. Because this is, everything about Chris is sort of like hidden because he's a P I. But where where can they go and find anything you want them to find about you or your work?

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I really appreciate it. God bless you and everything you do. And I, most of my books are on a website called SilverCoastPros.com, P-R-O-S, like professionals, SilverCoastPros.com. And then I invite people to write me. My, my, one of my emails is hopscotchfree101@gmail, just hopscotchfree, all one word, and then the number's 101 at gmail. And there's other ways. My phone number's online. My door is always open. Anyone can contact me. I always respond to people. And I'm grateful for the people that have helped me. I usually have one or two civilian

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  types on every case I have, and I want to give a shout out to those people a little bit for helping me over the years. So, yeah, God bless your show, and I give a lot of glory to what I've done and the gifts I've been given to God and Jesus, and I want to thank you for that opportunity.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Well, bless you, brother. Hey, everybody. Told you it'd be an interesting hour. Not like the normal hour. This is a different path today, and I bet you're talking about it. I bet you share this one with your spouse, your boyfriend, or your girlfriend. Let's have a conversation about it. It's worth it. It's one of the most important moments, most compelling moments in American history of the last 50 years. And this sheds some new light, at least for some people. All right, everybody. God bless you. This is the Ed and Myron Show.

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