Elon Musk Alleges Trump-Epstein Link In SHOCKING Tweet | EMERGENCY PODCAST | PBD Podcast | Ep. 596

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, Brandon Aceto and Adam Sosnick host an emergency episode after Elon Musk tweets that Trump is on Epstein’s list. The Home Team unpacks Trump’s eerie prediction that Musk would eventually turn on him, Musk’s shocking call for Trump’s impeachment, and a viral trust poll run by PBD on X. With Musk hinting at launching a third party and Whitney Webb exposing deeper ties to Epstein, the crew dives into what could push Elon to go nuclear, and how ugly the Trump-Musk feud might get. ------ 👕 VT ALLEGEDLY COLLECTION: https://vtmerch.com/collections/allegedly-collection-1 📱 MINNECT 2025 CONTEST - REGISTER TODAY: ⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 🖥️ VT WEBINAR: HOW TO BE A KILLER IN BUSINESS WITHOUT KILLING YOUR MARRIAGE | JUNE 11TH | 12:30PM: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4hVTkPK⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4hVTkPK 🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:27Speaker 01

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• 0:59Speaker 02

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 1:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:18Speaker 03

  My son's right there.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:21Patrick Bet-David?

  All right. So I don't know if you're following the feud or not. Obviously, a massive bomb was dropped just an hour and a half ago or two hours ago on Twitter that led to a bunch of different things. Elon Musk, Rob, if you can pull up the tweet, tweeted at 3:10 Eastern Standard Time, "Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT." This thing gets 581,000 likes, 212,000 retweets, 100-plus thousand comments, 49 million views in an hour and a half, two hours.

• 2:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, if you go a little bit lower and he doubles down and says, "Mark this post for the future. The truth will..." Come out Alex Jones timeline pin drop right go back a little bit. He says this, uh, if you go look at today's Tesla stock, Rob, I send you the link in the comment section as in the, in the note section that I have Tesla had its worst single day drop off ever in the history of the company. So when you look at this, Rob, there's a story I just sent to you from Financial Times. It's important for the audience to see this. I put in my notes section. If you go to it, I send it to your text as well. It's important to see this because this shows the correlation of what's going on.

• 2:44Patrick Bet-David?

  When you look at how Tesla was affected by this, um, it's not a small drop off 14% plunge in biggest one day valuation drop on record for Tesla. Okay. On record for Tesla. So just imagine how his day's been today, right? The sell off erased a hundred and 53 billion dollars. A valuation from Tesla, the single biggest ever. Go to the next slide, Rob, if you could, and watch what it shows. These are the other days, June 5th, 2025 goes down as the worst. The other one was 21, 25 March, two months ago. And then you see the rest. So it's not been a good day for Musk.

• 3:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Now earlier, when the whole big beautiful bill, uh, Musk dropped a tweet a couple of days ago saying, look, I'm just going to say it. It's not a big beautiful bill. Then Trump earlier today, while I was doing a podcast with Charlie Kirk, Trump came out and said a few things, Rob, if you want to, uh, put out the, the video, I don't know if you have the video or not, what Trump said, I'll, I'll read this if you have it, if you want to go back to it, that, uh, no, what you just said, put it right there, I'll read it. The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. So it's not like this is a one sided thing. They're going back and forth.

• 4:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, there was a video that the president is saying, uh, you know, he's probably next thing he's going to say, say some bad things about me. I don't know if you guys saw that video or not, you saw it when Charlie Kirk played it today while we were talking and, and, and while all this stuff is going on, by the way, apparently allegedly is a better phrase to use. Is this it, Rob?

• 4:28Speaker 05

  He hasn't said bad things about me personally.

• 4:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one. Watch this.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  He's done a great job. Elon knew that. Elon endorsed me very strongly. He actually went up and campaigned for me. I think I would have won. Suzy would say I would have won Pennsylvania easily anyway, even if the governor ran, the real governor, not the governor from Minnesota, who's, I mean, he's a sick puppy, that guy. That poor guy, I feel sorry for. But they made a bad choice with him. But if you picked Shapiro or anybody else, I spoke to him recently about his, you know, his house being set on fire, which was terrible. But if they picked him, I would have won Pennsylvania. I won it by a lot. But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better than you people. He knew everything about it.

• 5:19Speaker 06

  He had no problem with it. All of a sudden, he had a problem. And he only developed the problem when he found out that we're going to have to cut the EV mandate, because that's billions and billions of dollars. And it really is unfair. We want to have cars of all types. Electric, we want to have electric, but we want to have gasoline, combustion. We want to have different. We want to have hybrids. We want to have all. We want to be able to sell everything. And when that was cut, and Congress wanted to cut it, it became a little bit different. And I can understand that. But he knew every aspect of this bill. He knew it better than almost anybody. And he never had a problem until right after he left. And if you saw the statements he made about me, which I'm sure you can get very easily, it's very fresh on tape.

• 6:04Speaker 06

  He said the most beautiful things about me. And he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next.

• 6:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 6:10Speaker 06

  But I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot.

• 6:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. So, Rob, I can't hear myself. If you guys want to turn the mic on, I cannot hear myself now. Let me check this here. Okay, much better now. So, so you see that being said. And all of a sudden, allegedly, while we're going through this, of course, the Democrats are going to capitalize off this. They just tweeted this an hour ago, "Kill the bill and release the Epstein files." Elon Musk just unfollowed Stephen Miller, unfollowed Charlie Kirk, and unfollowed Trump, all on X. That just happened. And...

• 6:47Patrick Bet-David?

  While this is going on, uh, more continuation of what he said. A guy named Ian Miles Chunk, Rob, I don't know if you saw this one or not. A guy named Ian Miles Chunk goes out there and tweets something. If you can go to his handle, this is, this is very interesting what he tweets. He tweets out there, if you go to his account, um, he goes out there and tweets the following. Now you either trust this guy, you don't trust this guy. Go a little bit lower, Rob, go a little bit lower, go a little bit lower, a little bit lower. Lower, lower, lower. There's a tweet he puts out where he says, um, they should impeach Trump. And right there, that's one, go a little bit lower. President versus Elon, who wins? My money is on Elon. Trump should be impeached and JD Vance should replace him.

• 7:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And guess who retweeted that? Elon Musk did. Elon Musk retweeted that. So if you can go on Elon Musk's tweet, Rob, go on Elon Musk's tweet. Musk retweets that. What is he saying? So Musk is officially called for the impeachment of President Trump. Right there, yes. So this just got bad from a big, beautiful bill to all this stuff. And now if you use your imagination, God knows what happened with that black eye. That black eye, you know, was it a fight that took place? Somebody swung and it really offended Elon. It's like, look what I'm gonna do to you guys? Is that a Lutnik? Is that, I don't know who else it, who else will be in that room? I don't know who it is, maybe.

• 8:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But think about, that doesn't accidentally happen. And you wanna do something like this too? Maybe it was a meeting while they're calling each other out and somebody just, cuz Elon started calling out Trump and it got nasty. And then somebody swung and then somebody was a peacemaker bringing it in. I'm not speculating, remember, the key word is allegedly. We don't know any of this stuff. But the timing of all of this is a little weird. Timing of all this is a little weird. So now I, I, I went on X and I ran a poll. And then I'm gonna open it up cuz I wanna hear some of the things you guys wanna say. Rob, if you can go on my account. I ran a poll and here's what the poll is. I asked, who do you believe more? Simple question. Trump, Musk, or neither? This was an hour, 46 minutes ago.

• 9:01Patrick Bet-David?

  41,000 people have voted. So that's an ample amount of voters, 41,000. Rob, pick one of them. Look at that.

• 9:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Nearly twice as many people believe Musk as they do Trump and you know my audience.

• 9:15Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 9:16Patrick Bet-David?

  This is my audience. This isn't like it's.

• 9:19Speaker 08

  Random.

• 9:20Patrick Bet-David?

  No, this is not. So, look, if you're watching this and you enjoy when we go live on these types of things and you haven't subscribed to the channel, please do so. And, you know, it's just a weird, weird situation when you see this. I have a lot of thoughts. I have a lot of theories. I'm gonna pause here while we're going through this. Vinnie, what's your reaction?

• 9:43Speaker 07

  Well, first, I want to give credit where credit's due. I don't remember the actual date. How many months ago would you say that we were having a podcast prep? And it was the H1B1 debate, something. How long, Rod?

• 9:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you say, Rod? Four months?

• 9:54Speaker 08

  That was December.

• 9:56Speaker 07

  Four.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  No, it was after Trump had been elected because it was the H1B1 debate.

• 10:01Speaker 07

  Trump is in and guys, and you guys were all, everybody in this room was there. So I have, I have witnesses. There was a moment where you stopped and you looked outside the window and it was a long pause and you shook your head and you said, this is not gonna turn out good. And something about Elon. You mentioned something about Elon and it's, and it's come to pass and we're seeing it happen live. So I have to give credit. You called this a long ass time ago. Like you said, the timing is off. I know Brandon has a really good theory about Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance, who J.D. Vance has been very, very quiet lately. But, I mean, my one thing I took away, because the biggest thing, okay, you could beef, you could talk crap, go back and forth, the bill, I get it, his stock is dropping.

• 10:42Speaker 07

  If you're saying that Trump is on Epstein's list, you're basically indirectly saying that Donald Trump is a pedophile. If that's true in your mind and he's on that list and that's the only reason, then you knowingly, Elon, are hanging out with a pedophile. You got this pedophile, basically, and as president, you put 250 million dollars in, so you backed him. You let your child, ex, hang out with him alone. I remember when they were walking on the lawn to go to Marine One. So if that's the case, you're a complete hypocrite. But at the end of the day, what does Elon know about the list? Who's seen that list? And again, I'm over that list. Because whoever's been looked at it, changed it, FBI, old FBI, new FBI, I don't give a damn about it.

• 11:24Speaker 07

  But I think this is, this is extremely ugly and it's not gonna stop, uh, right now. And he said he withdrew, he withdrew, um, the dragon, what was it, Rob? He just took out-

• 11:34Speaker 08

  The Dragon Starship Program.

• 11:35Speaker 07

  The star, the dragon thing, he's saying, he's scrapping it so there's no more recyclable, um, um, rockets. Here's my thing, I voted for Donald Trump. I didn't vote for Elon Musk. Thank you for the help, but this is not only disrespectful as shit, I get it with the money, but, you know, when it comes to governing this country, that's who I voted for, and I can give two shits what Elon Musk feels about. But, whoa, but mind you though, and here we go, and you showed a little bit of it. Six months ago, the left was calling Elon a Nazi, a legitimate Nazi. Now they're all bending over and they're all giving it up for freaking Elon now. So how phony and how fake these freaking people are. Fake, phony as hell, all of them.

• 12:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so the question I got is, who's gonna be the first one that's gonna interview him? CNN, you know, MSNBC-

• 12:19Speaker 07

  Elon? Oh, CNN for sure.

• 12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 07

  CNN.

• 12:22Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but this, this is, um-

• 12:24Speaker 08

  Don Lemon made it.

• 12:25Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a, this is a, this is a question to be asking, straight up, right off the bat.

• 12:29Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 12:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you believe that Elon's tweet about Epstein is purely trying to get under Trump's skin? It's because he knows something? Where do you think that tweet lies? Do you think there's credibility behind the tweet? Or do you think he's just trying to get under the skin?

• 12:50Speaker 07

  I think he's trying to get under the skin because-

• 12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your ratio? 90/10 under skin?

• 12:54Speaker 07

  90/10 under skin. They, because the left would have used the Epstein thing before Russian collusion.

• 13:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly, that's the point.

• 13:01Speaker 07

  There's no way, are you kidding?

• 13:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so-

• 13:03Speaker 07

  Absolutely no way.

• 13:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Where are you at, Brandon?

• 13:05Speaker 08

  Yeah, so I think there's two things here at once. I think that, um, there's truth behind like the Trump-Epstein connections, but not from the standpoint of him being on like the pedo list or anything like that. I think, um, there is a lot of evidence to show that maybe Trump had a lot of blackmail stuff where he used blackmail against people because he was mentored by Roy Cohn. He bought the Plaza Hotel, he bought the, um, the boat from the international arms dealer, Adnan Khashoggi. So those are things that were allegedly used for blackmail. So I think from that side of things, he could have been involved in that type of stuff, but not the child sex trafficking type of thing, uh, obviously. And Elon-

• 13:43Speaker 08

  I don't think he's doing this for pure intentions to get out of Trump's skin. I think this feels like a coup where Elon's been friends with Peter Thiel since the PayPal mafia days and feels like a situation where maybe they're trying to get JD Vance in and they saw an angle to do that from that day of the assassination attempt because it's weird that JD Vance becomes the vice president the day after Elon strongly endorses Trump and they loaded up Doge with Palantir employees. Now they have that Palantir-Doge plan going forward and maybe their plan this entire time that the second that Trump isn't doing exactly what Elon wants, then they're going to execute this because Elon wants a technocracy. He thinks that government should not be in charge, that private business owners like the tech elites should be in charge.

• 14:29Speaker 08

  So yeah, I think there's two things true at the same time. I think that like Trump, yeah, he did some stuff where maybe he used blackmail as a currency in the past, but I think Elon has dark intentions. He's not America first.

• 14:42Speaker 07

  And real quick, how would they be able to get Trump out? Would the Epstein something list be able to get him impeached?

• 14:45Speaker 08

  I don't think they will because I think there's a reason that Democrats didn't use that. It's very telling that it's not hard to find stuff that is weird about what Trump did during the 80s with buying certain properties and hanging out with certain people. The left never mentioned that once and that tells me is they do not want to touch that thread. The fact that they tried these far-fetched attempts to get him on overpricing real estate and this girl might have said something, this and that, and never even spoke about the Epstein list tells me that they have a lot of friends, if not themselves, that are involved with that situation. I think this goes into both parties and they will not touch that with a 10-foot pole.

• 15:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because if the Democrats have had this for all this time, why didn't they use it? If you have the FBI Epstein list and they have it, Trump's on it, you don't think they're going to do something with it? And why does Trump have so much confidence to be as aggressive as he was running? If you're on that Herman Cain, people found out Herman Cain had a mistress on the side and it was public. Within five minutes, he dropped that. Him and his wife were arguing in the RV. I don't know if you remember.

• 15:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, I remember.

• 15:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It was out. You think this is going to last this long? Tom, where are you at with this? When you've seen all this back and forth?

• 15:48Tom Ellsworth?

  So I think the story is not, oh, Epstein. Epstein and all that, that's not the story. Because I agree with everything that's been said, don't need to add to it. Dems and other people, opposition would have used that long ago if there was a scintilla that they could grab on to. No, I think this is Elon has just picked one of the biggest, most carefully stated pokes you could, you could use. Because everyone is waiting for the Epstein files. And everybody's, and he's very concerned. I go back to 10 days ago, before we came in today, I look back.

• 16:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And 10 days ago, it was leaking out that Elon had said when he was stepping away, I gotta get back to my, my companies, this is killing me. And he made that comment. Yep. And if in fact, the $7,500 incentive is, is gonna be cut, and it's gonna be rolled back, that hurts Tesla tremendously. When's the last time Tesla rolled out a, a new model? Hmm. Yeah, exactly. They got the big one, they got the little one, they got the truck, and they got the, the Y with the, the mini SUV with the wings.

• 17:12Tom Ellsworth?

  There's been nothing going on at Tesla in terms of new product, unless they're about to get one. They've talked about the Roadster coming back, but there hasn't been anything. And they're just trying to sell. And so they're trying to run as a real car company, and they're trying to sell, they need that subsidy. So if that subsidy got cut out, I could see him being really pissed. Because, wait a minute, I did a quarter of a billion dollars worth of help to get you guys elected, and nobody's watching my back on the $7,500 subsidy? And it's not a new president. All you guys gotta do is make it stay. It's not, you don't have to give me anything, just leave it be. Because everybody gets it. But I, I suffer more because I'm a higher, a much higher market share here.

• 17:56Tom Ellsworth?

  So I feel that part of it. And then there's another part of me that just wonders, man, are we watching an op? Is this weird? You know, I traded DMs back and forth, Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen, a half hour ago. And it's like, both of us looking at this. Are they trying to, is this staged? Is this an op? I'm just, it's just so, there's so much to it that just seems so weird and out of the blue. So there's a little 5% of me that says, is this, is this something crazy here that we're not seeing? But, um, nothing on Epstein. It is a world-class poke because everybody's waiting for those files and I think.

• 18:33Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, Steve Bannon said Elon Musk should be deported. He's an illegal alien. He should be out. So already you're seeing what camp everybody is going.

• 18:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Alien.

• 18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Um, you just saw a tweet from Elon Musk. If you go back up to it, to Elon Musk's, he ran a poll. 2.2 million people have voted for this poll and look what it says. 80% agree with him. Uh, he ran a poll, is it time for a third party? Okay, so zoom in. Is it time to create a new political party in America that can actually represent the 80% of middle America? Type one of them, Rob. Okay, 82% agree with them. Can you go to comments section, please, to see who commented in it? Just go in the comments section, watch who's in there. Andrew Yang, okay.

• 19:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Working on it, of course.

• 19:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going, keep going, keep going. You're gonna see Shanahan. Watch this one here, what they tweeted. No, no, go up there to that one, Rob. Go up to that one, so look at this. And Elon Musk commented on that one.

• 19:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Not drilling.

• 19:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I have a plan to cut spending. Guy reads it. How? Increase spending. So that's the joke. And Elon Musk laughs on it. Keep going a little bit lower. Keep going lower. Nicole Shanahan, you're gonna see there. Uh, you're gonna see a bunch of different people. We just need to vote in the right people. So this Peter Schiff, we don't need a new party in the middle. The Republican and the Democrats are not far apart anyways. Just join the Libertarian Party. It already exists. Maybe you can actually help get some into Congress. Keep going a little bit lower, keep going a little bit lower, keep going a little bit lower. You'll see some of the names of who's there. The reason why this is important, when seasons like this happen, you are very easily able to decipher between who's got who's back and who's joining who. So I got a crazy question for you guys.

• 20:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, I'm gonna come to you, since you're next.

• 20:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure.

• 20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  J D Vance, is he more Team Elon or Team Trump? Elon. You think so? For sure.

• 20:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Tech side.

• 20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He's Elon. Think about his upbringing. That is not good.

• 20:19Tom Ellsworth?

  But you know, you know the upbringing with Thiel. Oh, yeah.

• 20:22Patrick Bet-David?

  That is not good.

• 20:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat, what is your perception? You study this a lot.

• 20:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He better be. No. No, he's mine.

• 20:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Let Pat talk. Let Pat talk, please.

• 20:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Team Elon, if J D Vance is Team Trump, of Team Elon, and this whole thing about him bashing Trump back in the days and flipping was just a way to have the opportunity coup because Elon and Thiel and all these guys would find a way to get rid of Trump and put J D Vance in there. Because Elon did tweet something very interesting earlier today, and here what the tweet was. Don't forget Vivek. Elon tweeted something very interesting. Here's what he said. And food for thought, as they ponder this question, Rob, I'm gonna send this to you. You have to see this, okay? Very interesting what he tweets here. Very interesting. Because in, in life, you know, I remember when I was competing with a lot of younger guys

• 21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  that were coming up with me, and one day I'm on stage 17 years ago, and the guy, the girl's saying, "You're never gonna be able to compete with us." I said, "You will never, ever build a bigger business than us. Never." She says, "Why do you?" I said, "Because of one thing. You don't have that we have." Never told her what it was. Of course, if she's listening to it, she knows now. You know what it was? Right. We were thinking 30, 40, 50 years. Run. I was 28 years old. I'm going to a frickin' 60-year run. I'm gonna be working till the day I die. Here's what Musk said. Food for thought as they ponder this question. Trump has three and a half years left as president, but I will be around for 40-plus years. That's actually true. Exactly what I told you guys. If you remember that conversation. What he's trying to tell you is, do whatever you want from me for three and a half years. J D Vance is around the corner. Wow.

• 21:57Patrick Bet-David?

  And we got more money, more power, and we're gonna do it our way. This is a very, very, now, this is, again, allegedly, I know you weren't allegedly had yourself a hat, but for some of you guys that haven't ordered allegedly hat, this is probably the best time ever to order an allegedly hat, allegedly shirt. We got it on VTmerch.com. It's one of our top products. Go to VTmerch.com, Rob, put the link below for this specifically. This is the best season to wear allegedly, okay? It's a word you ought to add to your repertoire. Let me go back to it. Here's the point I'm trying to make to you. If this guy's a long-term thinker... And he has more power and he has more resources and they're truly playing 3D chess to get JD in there and that was their way of doing the deal. If you allow me to choose

• 22:40Patrick Bet-David?

  the VP, I'll put 250 million dollars and go to Pennsylvania deal. If that moment happened and him and Theo, because Theo wasn't a Trump guy, remember Theo called Trump and had the conversation, Theo called Musk and Musk said, this is a once in a lifetime election. I don't know if you remember this conversation he had with Barry Weiss.

• 22:59Speaker 08

  Yep.

• 22:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, when she, he told me this, when he told me this, I said, he's right, I'm in. What that conversation was, nobody knows. They're two of the most brilliant minds. Peter Thiel figured out a way through Roth IRA to save 6 billion dollars and not paying taxes.

• 23:12Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Not a lot of people think that way.

• 23:14Speaker 08

  He's a long-term thinker too, remember?

• 23:15Patrick Bet-David?

  He's an absolute long-term thinker, brilliant guy. What'd you say?

• 23:19Speaker 08

  The variety, the media outlet that exposed him for being gay. He spent like six years plotting a way to bankrupt him.

• 23:25Patrick Bet-David?

  You do not, so you do not screw with, with long-term thinkers, but in this case, I'm coming to you first and I'm going to come to the rest of you guys. JD Vance, what is JD going to be doing? And is JD going to be somebody that Trump's going to put on the sidelines and not bring in room when he's doing the decision-making because he knows he's a part of a, a Thiel and, and Musk? This is a very weird time for President Trump to be a president.

• 23:49Adam Sosnick?

  So treat him as a normal vice president the way the last two administrations have.

• 23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 23:53Adam Sosnick?

  Obama did nothing. Obama did absolutely nothing with Joe Biden for eight years and Biden did absolutely nothing for Kamala Harris for four years. For the last 12 years, our vice presidents have done little more than travel to funerals around the globe, passing out flowers and saying, the American people mourn with you.

• 24:10Speaker 07

  And I just checked, he has not, and I know I'm going to add, JD Vance has not tweeted or said anything, so it'd be very, very telling to see what he's going to say when he does say something.

• 24:18Adam Sosnick?

  Good. He should probably keep his, keep his mouth shut.

• 24:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's that?

• 24:21Adam Sosnick?

  JD Vance. He's the Vice President of the United States. He was hand-selected by Donald Trump Jr. Should probably have Trump's back.

• 24:28Speaker 07

  He should.

• 24:29Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 07

  He should say something.

• 24:30Adam Sosnick?

  So, can I give a little feedback here?

• 24:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know what's going to happen long-term. I don't know who's going to be right or wrong in the end. I do agree that Elon's going to be around for another 40 years and Trump's got another three and a half years as president, but as of today, Elon Musk is looking like a petty... Scumbag.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 24:49Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry, dude. This ain't a good look. This ain't a good look for Trump. This ain't a good look for Elon. And what I'm most concerned about, this is a horrible look for America. So, you know, when you're starting a business, you always say, be very careful who you take money from. Be very careful who you're bringing on your board. Be very careful who you're bringing around. Exhibit A of why you don't take money from certain people. And then Trump brings him in into the Oval Office. Elon's bringing his kid around the Oval Office. And they're playing nice. For how long did this marriage take? How long did this bromance take? Three months, six months, whatever it is. This bromance is officially over. By the way, speaking of bromances and relationships, I know somebody knows a thing or two about relationships with Elon.

• 25:34Adam Sosnick?

  And that's my friend Ashley St. Clair. Did you see what she tweeted?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:37Adam Sosnick?

  She said, well, listen, uh, Trump, if you need a little breakup advice, uh, I'm here for you. I'm sure we have that tweet somewhere, but that, um, yeah, if you need a little breakup advice, uh, I'm here for you. This is, I want, I'm gonna say allegedly in air quotes, because it's pretty factual at this point. This is Elon Musk's latest baby mama. I'm sure there's gonna be more that come out there. Uh, I'll say a couple of things about the baby mama thing. Uh, the drug use. I know one thing about Trump. This guy said, there's three things I don't let my kids have. Tattoos, drugs and alcohol, and smoke cigarettes. Put it in any order you want. Elon Musk on his daily medication box allegedly of ketamine, ecstasy, mushrooms and Adderall.

• 26:22Adam Sosnick?

  Shows up with a black eye at the Oval Office to get a key from Trump. And then 48 hours later, it's scorched earth. This looks petty all around. By the way, side note. If any other person out there had a half a dozen baby mamas, a baker's dozen kids, running around doing drugs. Talk about occupying Mars. Uh, we'd have a major issue with that person. We'd be like, who's this ghetto ass mother? But Elon Musk, all of a sudden.

• 26:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not a regular guy, though. He's a triple.

• 26:52Adam Sosnick?

  I get that he's not a regular guy.

• 26:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go?

• 26:55Adam Sosnick?

  But this is a very bad one.

• 26:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to, go to online and, and chat GPT and type in side effects of ketamine. What are the side effects of ketamine? Just curious. What are the side effects of ketamine? Let's see this here. Short term, midterm, long term. I hope it breaks it down. Okay, good. This association, short term, hallucinations of vivid dreams, confusion, delirium, drowsiness, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, elevated blood pressure, impaired blood. Okay. Midterm, what is it? Medical side effects? Something that increased salivation. Okay, what else? Serious long term effects? Bladder issues, memory problems, depression, mood swings, liver function, addiction, tolerance and withdrawal symptoms? High dose recreational profound dissociation.

• 27:30Adam Sosnick?

  That's where it gets ugly, Pat.

• 27:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Loss of motor control, hallucinations, inability to communicate. Feeling of near death or complete ego dissolution. What does that mean? Complete ego dissolution. Tom, what does that word mean?

• 27:41Adam Sosnick?

  You basically, your ego goes nowhere and you just basically, you lose it all. Disassociate from existence. You lose your sense of self.

• 27:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, so as you're, as you're, as you're going through this, the, the part that, the part that we have to ask ourselves is the following, okay? How, how is this gonna be managed? Because the market right now, the people that are pro-Trump, what are they saying? They say Trump is America first. Okay? Elon's not America first. They'll say things like Elon's is his company's first. He had a rough day, guys. 14%? That's a rough day. Worst day ever for Tesla? It's not a good day. Imagine all the calls he's getting, but imagine all the other calls he's getting from the board and all these other things that he's dealing with, right? So that's that part, okay? So Trump cares about America, let's just say. Musk cares about his investments and his vision, which is what?

• 28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, space, Mars, all this stuff. Trump's about getting all the business here. Elon's doing deals with China and a lot of other places, so, you know, maybe some of the stuff that Trump was doing wasn't financially benefiting him. You would have thought Trump would have done different things with tax incentives of $7,500 to buy EVs, but you go away and he helps you? So somebody that's on Elon's side, they're like, dude, the guy helped you win an election, you cutting that stuff? And Trump's like, look. I think all cars should do well in America. I don't want to just focus on EV because that part was what? It was more of a leftist thing, right?

• 29:07Speaker 08

  Remember what that was? That was part of the Green New Deal situation.

• 29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 29:09Speaker 08

  And look at what happened to Tesla's stock after that bill.

• 29:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's right. That's something that, you know, one has to be putting in consideration and thinking about this. Tom, for you, one guy said, "Oh, they're just playing games. They're just toying with everybody." I definitely don't think that's the case. I think this is as real as it gets. This is as real as it gets. How nasty is this, Tom? And moving forward, what does this do to the room that trumps in? I asked him about Vance. He didn't really go there. I'm going to come to you. What does this do in the room? You're sitting there. Vance, Lutnik, Besant, you got Cash, Bongino, you know, RFK, Tulsi, Rubio. What's he now

• 29:56Patrick Bet-David?

  doing? Is this now a divided group and you don't know who to trust?

• 30:00Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I don't think so. Here's what I think is going on in that room right now. I believe that there's a lot of people in that cabinet, good people in the cabinet. I put Susie in this category. I put Rubio in this category, that are relieved. We've been hearing for exactly a month, right about the time, remember right about the time of the 100 days, we started hearing that some of the cabinet members were, "Man, I am so over this Elon and Doge. I'm kind of over this. I don't think this is going the way we thought it would be going." You heard that?

• 30:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 30:32Tom Ellsworth?

  "I'm over it. It's not going the way we thought it would be." A month ago, you had that. So I think today, there are some relieved cabinet members that said, "Well, here we are. This is the wrong way to do it. This is absolutely a horrible way to do it. We tried to give him the key to the city to get him feel honored and feel flattered and everything and then leave. And then a day later, he goes scorched earth." So I think they're pretty pissed off because a minute ago, they were relieved that he was officially gone. And right now, I think the room is pretty pissed off. And I think this can galvanize. Remember, when bad things happen, you'll find out who's with you. And I've been in the room with Pat, where in the industry we were in... We had to find out who was with us. Who was with us?

• 31:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Which carriers were with us? Which people were supporting us? Because things happen. Economies come, economies go, and the industries make decisions. It's not personal, but you got to find out who's there. And I think what's going on right now, I think he's about to find out who is absolutely with him. I think Besen is. I think Rubio is. I think Howard is. I think there's relieved people, but that are really frustrated that it went down this way.

• 31:43Speaker 07

  Okay, there's a jet taking off.

• 31:46Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's okay. Go ahead.

• 31:47Speaker 08

  What was the question?

• 31:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, Brandon. So why don't you do this, Brandon? Rob, can you play the one clip Brandon has about Whitney Webb? You know which one I'm talking about. This one right here. So Whitney Webb, we've had her on a couple of times. She's written some of the most interesting books that talks about technocracy. She doesn't even live in the States, but some of the stuff she says gets picked up, and it's very, very interesting. And when you do some research, what is in this clip here, Brandon?

• 32:13Speaker 08

  So this is the first time I've ever heard Epstein be associated with Elon Musk. She says something I've never heard before about a reason why the Justice Department might not have been releasing certain things about Epstein and JP Morgan that were subpoenaed.

• 32:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go for it, Rob.

• 32:27Speaker 11

  Virgin Islands, because there was this case involving the US Virgin Islands and JP Morgan as it related to Epstein. And that case got settled out of court, so it didn't go to trial. But I believe those documents would be very, very, very telling. But I would argue the reason they won't come out is because one of the people subpoenaed as part of that investigation was Elon Musk. Oh, wow. He wasn't necessarily accused of wrongdoing, but was subpoenaed because he was suspected of having been, having had some sort of involvement with Epstein and JP Morgan. And there are allegations, of course. Not really allegations, but, you know, it was reported, you know, before Musk was closely

• 33:10Speaker 11

  affiliated with Trump that Epstein had been advising Tesla and was part of this effort in 2018 to take Tesla private with Gulf Oil money or Saudi money. And at the time, Epstein was advising Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, and was also known to have a close relationship with the elite families of the United Arab Emirates and also Kuwait and, I think, Bahrain as well. So perhaps they don't want to have that really be explored at this point. But some of the other figures that were...

• 33:43Adam Sosnick?

  Was she talking about Epstein here, all those people, all those relationships?

• 33:46Speaker 08

  Epstein and Elon as well. She was saying that Epstein was advising Musk on how to take Tesla private.

• 33:50Adam Sosnick?

  But all those other relationships, Mohammed al-Sammaniyah.

• 33:53Speaker 08

  Epstein was like...

• 33:53Adam Sosnick?

  Jesus, this guy Epstein goes deep.

• 33:56Speaker 08

  Yeah, he does. Yeah, he's tied with the intelligence networks, but I think, well, so genuinely, who do you think is more powerful though between the two of them right now? Because I think if Elon's gonna be in on tac mode, Trump has a small window to knock Musk down a bunch of pegs. Because Musk gets like 30% of Tesla revenue from China and a lot of money from government contracts. So I wonder what damage could Trump do right now? Trump really wants to go on the offensive and commits to that and tries to take a degree of power away from Musk. Because I mean, you know, if Musk is gonna try to use his power like this, then that's not a healthy thing for America.

• 34:27Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not a healthy thing for what?

• 34:29Speaker 08

  For America. So I'm saying, Trump right now has a window to knock Musk down a bunch of pegs. With like 30% of Tesla revenue comes from China, a huge amount of his money comes from government contracts from America. So Trump could do a lot to severely hurt Tesla right now, if you want. Because you know, you could almost take this as a threat to national security where this guy's trying to undermine the president. And believe me, I'm mad at both of them for separate things, but you know, you have to be patriotic on the side of the president when some...

• 34:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so here's President Trump. "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done it so months ago. This one, the greatest bill's ever presented to Congress. It's a record cut in expenses, $1.6 trillion, and the biggest tax cut ever given. If this bill doesn't pass, there will be a 68% tax increase and things far worse than that. I didn't create this mess. I'm just here to fix it. This puts our country on a path of greatness. Make America great again." So now he says that. But a part of this that's, that to me is, what would cause an Elon to go nuclear?

• 35:32Speaker 08

  Not that, I don't think it's about the bill. It's way too extreme for the bill.

• 35:36Patrick Bet-David?

  It can't be. What would make Elon go nuclear? What? You think the black eye is just like, what would make, for some, no, I'm being actually serious with you. What would make Elon go nuclear? It has to be something that was such a humiliating thing for you to go to this levels. And then, there had to be a couple calls behind closed doors to make sure he knows he has some other people with him.

• 36:00Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 36:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Before he goes nuclear.

• 36:01Speaker 08

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Because if you don't have the other guys that are with you to go nuclear, I don't know. And, and, and by the way, you, you know, you know what you learned here for a fact? That if you talk to him, just so you know, you know, he can at any time turn against you.

• 36:18Speaker 08

  Yeah, but what he's essentially saying though is that, like, let's say what he's saying is true. He's essentially saying he's okay with being friends with a president who is on the Epstein list. If he's doing everything that he wants him to do, but the moment that he doesn't do everything he wants him to do, then he, um, is not okay with that anymore. So, how, like, if that were true, like, how's that make him look? He's being selective with whether, when it is a big deal to him and when it's not a big deal to him.

• 36:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do so many people agree with him?

• 36:42Speaker 08

  Well, I think a lot of, like, I mean, I think there is some truth that Trump did maybe blackmail people. You know, you could say allegedly to that. He, he bought a hotel that was used for blackmail in the past. He bought a yacht that was used for blackmail in the past. His mentor blackmailed a lot of people. But that doesn't mean he did the things that the people on the Epstein list did. That's an entirely different thing. That just makes him associate with that world. So, I think some people conflate those two things and some people are upset with Trump with the lack of aggressiveness that he's had. Like, you know, he came in like he was gonna disrupt the whole establishment, get rid of the deep state, this and that. But he's being very civil and I'm, that's like probably what I'm most frustrated with him about is he's being too civil and he's not, like, coming down hard on the people who tried to take him out and the people that have this, um, administrative state in place.

• 37:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I was listening to a, a guy earlier saying the fact that, uh, the only choice Trump has right now, he has to come super, super hard on Musk because Musk is not gonna stop.

• 37:31Speaker 08

  Right. He won't stop. And he has a window, he has a window to do it.

• 37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  To him?

• 37:35Speaker 08

  To Musk.

• 37:35Patrick Bet-David?

  What could he do to him?

• 37:37Speaker 08

  Oh, he could make it so that Musk can't, uh, send cars to China or at least make it not profitable. You know, cut all the government contracts. I mean, that, that's the thing though. Musk has a degree of leverage too because, especially with Starlink. Like, Starlink is super, um, important to the military. A lot, uh, his other stuff, his military applications. Palantir is tight with Elon, so they have a lot of military applications too. So, these tech guys, the, the PayPal mafia, the technocracy guys, they're really tied in and entrenched with the military. So, that's where the private sector, you know, it starts to get like, all right, does the military have more power or do the contractors have more power?

• 38:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but the-

• 38:09Adam Sosnick?

  Listen, on behalf of America, Elon Musk and Donald Trump, keep your personal issues out of America becoming great again. Like, we are here in America, people are trying to put foot on their plate, they're trying to raise their kids, they're trying to make money, have a job, have a healthy lifestyle, like, do everything they want to do. We're not here to watch this soap opera of days of our lives with the richest man in the world and most powerful man in the world. Like, we're not here for that. Do you think Elon wants to make America great again, though? Do you think he cares about that at all? I think that if you're using what Elon Musk set out to do, I think the number one thing on his agenda was killing the woke mind virus. And I looked at him aligning with Trump as let's, who's against woke? Trump, I'm going with him.

• 38:52Adam Sosnick?

  I think there's a very good indication that Elon had never voted for Trump in the past. I think he was more of a Democrat. I think a lot of people were, you know, Joe Rogan, that camp, I think they were all of it. A lot of people switched over. I also think that Trump is very vindictive. And I think that Elon is very childish. And I, listen, I thought this would go at least a year. I mean, did anybody have their money? This was ending in June. Yeah. Did you see that coming? But by the way, here's a couple of things to consider, just to kind of open up a different couple of conversations.

• 39:27Adam Sosnick?

  There was always things I was looking at that I was like, huh, that's a weird relationship. Why don't those guys get along? What's this all about? Okay, Sam Altman and OpenAI. Elon Musk hates that guy. Yep. Hates that guy. Trump would bring him around all the time. Mm-hmm. That's an awkward situation. All right? I don't know what kind of conversations are happening. I don't know what's going on there. Number two, Doge. What happened with Vivek? What happened there? Like, in my opinion, Vivek should have been the one running Doge.

• 40:02Adam Sosnick?

  Elon could have been an advisor, he could have been around. He's already running a dozen other companies and impregnating a half a dozen women. Like, you need another job next to Trump? All right, here's another one for you.

• 40:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, open that up, will you?

• 40:15Adam Sosnick?

  Let me just finish this up.

• 40:16Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Your point deserves for you to follow it up because we process deeply, and you did on this podcast, you did about how that tweet was so hit the wrong way, Vivek's tweet, that so much weight and heat came against him that he had to step back.

• 40:34Adam Sosnick?

  Correct, and part two to that, and I would like to revisit that with you, was that was on the heels of the whole H1B visa situation. Vivek weighed in, Steve Bannon weighed in. It basically, you know, MAGA 1.0 and MAGA 2.0 are starting to feud.

• 40:48Tom Ellsworth?

  And Vivek's comment was "America not quite exceptionalism."

• 40:52Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because Vivek, I don't know, kind of speaks the truth. Some people are just lame as hell and they're entitled. The Epstein situation, okay, we talked about that. Makes a lot of sense why Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are kind of keeping mums the word. So, and this big, beautiful bill. By the way, who in the administration did we actually hear of Elon feuding with? Do you remember who it was? Well, it was Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. Do you remember that? So Elon's in here having issues with key components of the administration. And it was sort of a lipstick on a pig for a quarter billion dollars. And now we're basically seeing what happens. And then here's the last thing. What was the relationship with Susie Wiles? Correct, Chief of Staff.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, this from April, "Inside Elon Musk Dangerous Battles With Trump's Ice Maiden." And in it, they talk about Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff.

• 41:42Adam Sosnick?

  So, you know, this goes back to my initial point. Careful who gives you money. Trump, Elon basically gave a quarter billion dollars, bought his way into the White House, him and his kids, you know, piggybacking over here. And now he has the audacity to take down, or at least attempt to take down, the President of the United States. Now, Trump dealt with some assassination attempts.

• 42:08Adam Sosnick?

  You know, before he became inaugurated, this is a straight up character assassination by Elon Musk against the sitting president of the United States.

• 42:16Speaker 07

  Is there any way, is there any way, just to be devil's advocate and flip it, is there any way, guys? Brandon, I want to know honestly, that this could be a fake coordinated fight, like remember to distract everybody from something bigger that's happened, remember? Uh, and with Trump, uh, Tom, in 2017 with Jeff Sessions, where Sessions appeared to be disloyal, but he was actually helping with key investigations behind the scenes? Could this be something where?

• 42:41Adam Sosnick?

  I appreciate, I appreciate the question, I appreciate the question.

• 42:44Speaker 07

  Cause it looks crazy.

• 42:44Adam Sosnick?

  If there's one tweet, okay, cool. They're going back and forth and Elon is not stopping? You know, one joke, ha, ha, ha, two jokes, 10 jokes, you're coming for his throat, bro.

• 42:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Speaker Johnson sided with Musk.

• 43:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:01Adam Sosnick?

  I would. What do you mean Speaker Johnson sided with Musk?

• 43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you talking about? Go to, go to, go to Musk's tweet. Go to Musk's handle, just go to the handle and go all the way, yeah, go, go all the way, okay, go, go, zoom in a little bit around and keep going slower. And keep going, keep going, keep going, you'll see, six hours ago, he says, I agree with this guy. Keep going, keep going, keep going.

• 43:23Adam Sosnick?

  Speaker Johnson just passed the big, beautiful bill in the House.

• 43:27Speaker 08

  I was gonna say, that's weird.

• 43:28Speaker 07

  He said he was calling Elon, uh, today too, when he was walking.

• 43:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there, look at that, I super agree with this guy, Mike Johnson. At some point, Congress has to stop this endless cycle of out of control deficit spending.

• 43:38Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, got it.

• 43:39Patrick Bet-David?

  What's he saying?

• 43:40Speaker 07

  He's on Elon's side.

• 43:41Patrick Bet-David?

  He's saying what he's saying.

• 43:42Speaker 07

  That's pro Elon.

• 43:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, go up and see, he retweets something from Trump from 2012.

• 43:46Adam Sosnick?

  That was, I think, that was a little bit before.

• 43:48Speaker 07

  Look at Elon.

• 43:49Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, that was a little before this.

• 43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, but go all the way up.

• 43:51Speaker 05

  But think, he has to go and look for that tweet, he has to dig through Mike Johnson's seven years of tweets to go back.

• 43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, go on, he found one off Trump.

• 43:59Adam Sosnick?

  Read, read between the lines there.

• 44:01Speaker 08

  Yeah, that's him calling up the spending.

• 44:02Adam Sosnick?

  He's basically saying, you're a hypocrite.

• 44:04Speaker 08

  Yeah, cause.

• 44:04Adam Sosnick?

  He's basically saying, at some point, you gotta stop all this spending, and he's basically saying, but now?

• 44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He, cause he did that with Trump, go up, keep going up, watch what he did with Trump. No, go a little bit higher. It's the screenshot.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  Oh, right here.

• 44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  It's an obvious lie. Elon was wearing thin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted, that he knew for months I was going to do, and he just went crazy. What does he say? Such a lie. Trump fires back at Elon. The online battle begins.

• 44:38Adam Sosnick?

  This is the problem with democracy, by the way. This is why they say you don't want to see what the sausage is made. This is the good, the bad, the ugly of what we're living with. Now, everything's out in the open. Every single person, every single adversary, every foe, any, every enemy is like, "Oh, I know how to get between these mother suckers." You don't think she's watching this? You don't think Putin's watching this? You don't think the terrorists are watching this? You don't think the Ayatollahs are watching this and being like, just eating their popcorn like they're Jon Stewart in that meme over here and just watching this all go down and loving it?

• 45:10Speaker 08

  But Elon's a big liar too, though.

• 45:11Adam Sosnick?

  Such a bad look for America.

• 45:12Speaker 08

  Elon's a big liar too, though, because, I mean, think about the video game thing where he paid somebody to get the best score in the world in the video game, and for years he acted like he was a world-class player at that super-advanced video game, then he got caught, like they hadn't even played the game before. So, you know, what does that tell you that somebody's willing to put that much effort into crafting their image? You know, something that's small and insignificant to be the best in a role that a video game. So, like, what else could he be lying about and, like, misportraying?

• 45:36Adam Sosnick?

  PBD.

• 45:37Speaker 08

  We'll do something like that.

• 45:38Adam Sosnick?

  Good point. PBD, I have one serious question for you.

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 45:43Adam Sosnick?

  For me, this is pretty ugly. I think it's about to get way uglier. How ugly can this get between these two guys?

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• 46:52Speaker 08

  Seizing Tesla? Who? Like, the government seizing Tesla as a matter of national security if they start pulling things that are critical to the military.

• 47:00Adam Sosnick?

  Hey, Brandon, Brandon, PBD, not you.

• 47:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Brandon, let me unpack a little bit with you.

• 47:03Adam Sosnick?

  Can I, guys? I asked PBD a question, and you guys started talking. Allow the guy with the name of the podcast is talking.

• 47:11Patrick Bet-David?

  As of nine hours ago, as of a day ago, as of a day ago, the Republican Party was probably the strongest it's been in decades. You know, 24 hours ago.

• 47:23Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Seriously, if you think about it.

• 47:25Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, we saw the stats with Harry.

• 47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you kidding me? That video shows, you know, middle America, they think about Republicans. This is the first time where the Democrats went from 23% in 1989, an NBC poll, to today being even.

• 47:36Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 47:37Patrick Bet-David?

  While middle America sees both parties as being for middle America.

• 47:41Adam Sosnick?

  For the working class, right?

• 47:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, this is not good because this has got everything written on it for a civil war. And you know what's the one thing about both of them? They're both not gonna, they're not gonna compromise. And, and so who is gonna be able to play the middle guy to come and do this? There is no candidate. There is no candidate. The, the, the only person that maybe stands a chance of being able to do this if Larry Ellison gets involved? Remember when Larry Ellison told Musk, "Don't fight with Apple"? "That's not a fight you wanna go." I don't know if you remember that. So Larry Ellison could be the only one that could be in his ear to listen to? I mean, Musk is unfollowing...

• 48:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Allegedly. Kirk. All the people that are Trump's allies. What is he saying? I want to have nothing to do with your group. By the way, did you see what Charlie Kirk tweeted? Very respectful tweet Charlie put up. What did Charlie say? Charlie put up a very respectful tweet. Here's what Charlie Kirk's tweet is. We are so blessed to have Trump as president. That's two minutes. Go keep going. Okay, keep going a little bit lower. No, keep going a little bit lower. There will be some fighting attacks in days to come. I just want to say something on the outset. We should never forget how terrible the environment was online prior to October 2022. No matter what happens, I'm grateful that Elon Musk just bought X and liberated free speech in America. His contribution to America and to civilization from that alone is immense. Very true. He said that. Then he says what? So his first credit is to who?

• 49:10Patrick Bet-David?

  His first credit is to Elon. What's his last credit to? Trump. So, and that happened right after he unfollowed him. Okay? That happened right after he unfollowed him. I think, you know, I remember when we were growing as a company so well and there was this one guy that kept putting a frickin wrench in a momentum every damn time. And here's all it would do. We would be united like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, and then boom, he said something, boom! Now only have this side. And then I would work hard, work hard, work hard, work hard. We gotta run, nine more months and then boom! These guys are in.

• 49:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you understand what I'm saying? Like a constant impediment. Dude, it's like, so this is a momentum disruptor. And I feel, you know, okay, so let's say the main reason for this is the big beautiful bill. Let's say that's the reason. If the real reason is the big beautiful bill, let's say that's the real motive for it. Dude, you have enough power to be able to not have Congress pass it. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? You know, you can, you guys can not be on the same page and, you know, not have to say he was on the island and this, this is and that. That is a nuclear statement. That's not a statement of, hey, we can go to dinner and hang out. No, you can't.

• 50:35Patrick Bet-David?

  There's certain comments, if I, let's just say you open up something to me about something that happened with your life, we have a relationship together with. Yeah. I publicly tweet that. Yeah. I have permanently lost trust with you. Mm-hmm. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's not a little bit. Yeah. It's permanent. So this relationship is gone. Mm-hmm. Okay, this relationship is totally gone. But for me, um, as weird as it sounds, Trump is being poised about it. Even his reaction is, is still poised. Yeah. He's not like bitter about it. He is, I don't know if people believe he wasn't like, if something comes out and it shows

• 51:17Patrick Bet-David?

  that he is, something happened with EPC and all that other stuff, it's really, it's gonna be a democratic, you know, birthday. It's the greatest gift being handed over to them, right? But to me, all I'm thinking about is who are the people that have the ability to sit down with these guys and have them listen to them? That's all I'm interested in right now. Larry Ellison is one.

• 51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Steele? No way. I don't think it's Steele. I think Ellison is one. Either Matt, what, you're talking just Musk or either one? Either one, to sit down with both of them. Somebody that calls a meeting right away. Ellison is one. Who else is it? Look, there's not that many people that they both listen to. I really think it's only Ellison. Because, because I think Ellison, I, I, I don't, Tom, not Bezos, not Altman, hell no, you got. Rogan. Uh, not Rogan, nope. Uh, Rogan would do, uh, was gonna probably do the podcast with Elon, they're probably texting right now, if it's not him, it's gonna be Friedman, but that's, a podcast is coming here soon, he's in Austin, he's probably gonna go on Joe and talk to him and talk about some of this stuff, so that's gonna be a massive podcast.

• 52:23Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm talking about somebody that's gonna, no cameras need it and doesn't need credit. Mm-hmm. Ellison doesn't give a shit about credit. He's not trying to be a famous person, he's just, he's living a different life. You need somebody that doesn't need any credit, doesn't want anything, that can sit down and have the conversation and be able to talk to Elon. Elon doesn't give me the vibes that he's gonna listen to anybody. He doesn't give me the vibes that's gonna listen to anybody.

• 52:49Speaker 08

  He doesn't seem like he wants to fix it either. Like, to say something like that would almost lead me to think that he doesn't expect him to be president for much longer, because what advantage does he have to say something like that where he's gonna have a bad relationship with the president now after having a good relationship?

• 53:01Speaker 07

  What do you mean he doesn't expect him to be president for much longer?

• 53:03Speaker 08

  I'm saying to say something like that and to make the president hate you and make an enemy out of him, like, what are you thinking strategically?

• 53:09Tom Ellsworth?

  In seven tweets in one afternoon, and my question is, I want to know where the spark came from. Just what we were talking about with Zelensky, Pat. It's like, who gave you the green light? And now we're all suspecting that it was the deep forces, intelligence forces convincing the respective governments of the UK and the US to say, okay, let Zelensky off the leash here, let's let him do the drone thing. And so, I want to know, what triggered Elon? Because I believe the 7500 in there will bother him. But would it trigger him like this? I don't think so.

• 53:50Speaker 07

  Did you see what Pat Trump, Rob, I sent you the link, the one right before, the one I just sent you, where they're asking him if Trump was gonna say something about him and Elon, Donald Trump said, "We're gonna have a little discussion now, very, very private." He has no comments on Elon. He didn't want to say anything.

• 54:05Patrick Bet-David?

  He was interviewed?

• 54:06Speaker 07

  Well, Trump and them are sitting down right now in the White House for the state dining room. He's hosting a roundtable with Fraternal Order of Police. That one right there, Robbie, and I guess they're asking him, and he says nothing.

• 54:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this?

• 54:18Speaker 07

  Is this it?

• 54:18Speaker 08

  Yep.

• 54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that Bondi?

• 54:21Speaker 06

  Yes. We're gonna have a little discussion now, very private, and I just want to thank you all for being here. And thank you very much, media. Appreciate it. Thank you very much.

• 54:35Speaker 07

  Normally, he's yelling at them, right? He's talking crap right back? He's not saying nothing?

• 54:41Speaker 06

  Good job.

• 54:43Speaker 07

  Completely quiet. And mind you, I sent him a clip. Do you guys remember three months ago?

• 54:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. How are you processing this?

• 54:50Speaker 07

  No, I'm saying like right now.

• 54:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you, media. Why is he being cordial and friendly to media?

• 54:55Speaker 07

  That's what I'm saying. Like, that's what I'm saying. Normally, he'd be like, what the, he'd go crazy.

• 54:58Adam Sosnick?

  What is this roundtable regarding all?

• 55:00Speaker 07

  This is right now, it's a state dining room for the police. Yeah.

• 55:02Adam Sosnick?

  So who's that? Is that Pam Bondi?

• 55:04Speaker 07

  Normally, Pam Bondi, just probably the, the police.

• 55:07Adam Sosnick?

  I'm home and who is that? No.

• 55:08Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no. Vinnie.

• 55:09Speaker 07

  That's Pam Bondi.

• 55:10Tom Ellsworth?

  In the Oval Office, or for the, in the briefing room, that's where the, they all get to stand there and ask questions. When you come here, this is a photo op. They don't, they don't do questions here.

• 55:21Speaker 07

  But I'm saying, does Trump normally talk? Does Trump care?

• 55:23Tom Ellsworth?

  I like to introduce this, we're gonna do, and they take pictures so that they're covering the story, but in here, in this room, you'll see it. You'll see it over and over again. You go back and look at it. They don't, they don't yell in this room. It's like.

• 55:34Speaker 07

  But they're asking, would he answer questions?

• 55:35Tom Ellsworth?

  I like to introduce it. I don't know.

• 55:37Speaker 07

  If somebody, if they, if somebody asked a fake news question, like, hey, we heard the bill is this, or something like that, he would, Trump doesn't hold back. And he doesn't care what room he is in his house.

• 55:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, if this was on the schedule today, I can tell you what Susie Wilde did. Hey, we're gonna come in here, you're gonna have the photo op with the Fraternal Order of Police. I know it's been a very busy hour. Anybody that shouts a question out, anyone interrupts, just hand me your credential on the way out. Because Susie, that's, that's her style. Have you read about it? That's her style. She's very level and say, you wanna do that? She will keep law and order in here. And this is, this is a photo op for the Fraternal Order for their meeting. This is not in the Oval Office where they can, they all get to go ask their questions.

• 56:19Adam Sosnick?

  When did, when did he make that tweet about, you have three and a half years, I have 40 years? When did he make that tweet?

• 56:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, didn't that sound like what Pelosi said about W? Pelosi said the same thing about W.

• 56:32Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's a big, this is a very big component of what's happening. Because, you know, you wrote a book, Your Next Five Moves, being a long-term thinker, being a strategist. I, I don't think that this isn't weighing on both of their minds. Okay, so, I'll give you an example. I actually had a very ugly conversation with a business associate of mine yesterday. This guy's 80 years old. I've done business with his son, who's 50. This guy's 80. And, make a long story short, this guy looked me in the face, gave me his word, like it's Jerry Maguire, like I gave him my word, as strong as oak, and then just turned around and completely screwed me. Screwed me. I'm talking a lot of money.

• 57:15Adam Sosnick?

  And he called me and he's like, "Yeah, I know, man. I know you're probably not happy with me right now." And I looked at him and I was like, "Dude, you're an 80-year-old man, and this is how you're operating." And I didn't even know how to process this. And all I could think of is, "You're gonna be gone soon, buddy. And I'm gonna be talking about you for the next 50 years. And people are gonna know, anytime your name comes up, "Oh, that's that guy? You know who you always talk about, Pat? The guy from AIG, Bob Ben Moche? He's been gone how long now? 10 years?

• 57:49Patrick Bet-David?

  10 years.

• 57:50Adam Sosnick?

  Anytime you bring his name up, let his legacy continue to be what it is, you say the kindest thing about this guy.

• 57:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 57:58Adam Sosnick?

  The kindest things. He saved AIG, no? Long before he's gone, people are still talking about him. And I said to the guy on the call yesterday, I said, "You screwed me, buddy. Alright, so I lost 50 grand. I'll live. But let me tell you something, buddy. You know who Jack Bogle is?" He goes, "Who's that?"

• 58:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Vanguard.

• 58:14Adam Sosnick?

  I go, "I'm shocked. You're a financial guy. How do you not know who this guy is?" He's Vanguard, billionaire. I go, "Do you know what he said before he died? Do you know his one thing that he wished for?" He goes, "What's that, tough guy?" That's what he's saying to me, an 80-year-old guy. I go, "That he dies with his reputation intact." And I go, "Soon you're not gonna be here anymore, but I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing for 50 years. And anytime your name comes up, I'm telling you right now, it ain't gonna be pretty." And he goes, "That's it. I'm done with you. Click." And I go, "Okay, fine. What's my point?" I think that they're both looking at each other. Trump's concerned about legacy, concerned about the short term. But Elon Musk is looking at this and be like, you might get the best of me now, Trump. But for 40 years, this is all be thinking.

• 58:58Speaker 07

  This also, I mean, another, remember, I'm just saying what ifs, because obviously we're speculating, but maybe this feud could be to hijack the media's attention. Everybody's focused on the drama. Elon talks about the Epstein client list and trumps on it. What if this is a door to open that Cash Patel now has to drop? Maybe this is a ploy that now he's like, okay, now you have to put it out. Put out the list and let everybody see it so that everybody that he was talking about from, what was the billionaire's name? Uh, Rob, do you remember? Reid Hoffman. Reid Hoffman and all these people and Bill Clinton that were all allegedly on it. Maybe this is a way to go, oh, we're fighting and oh, he's on the list? Drop the list. Cash Patel, I'm the president, now you could show it.

• 59:39Speaker 07

  What if that's it? What if that's the main one is for him to do that and now we get to see it? Because again, I don't believe that Donald Trump hanging out with kids.

• 59:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I just got a text from somebody that is in direct communication with the president.

• 59:53Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 59:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Right now, the advice from everybody has been to not say anything. Just get off Twitter, get off social, get off any of that stuff. Don't say anything. Just let us kind of sit back and see what we need to be doing. The only thing I'm interested in situations like this, when something goes from zero to 10. All I, the first list I make, you know what's the first list I make? Who does that person listen to? Who do they trust? So who does Elon Musk trust the most? Can you, can you pull up, who does Elon, who does Elon Musk?

• 1:00:26Speaker 07

  David Sacks.

• 1:00:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Trust the most?

• 1:00:29Speaker 07

  If you just guess one right now, like in this world?

• 1:00:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Who does he trust the most?

• 1:00:33Speaker 07

  Sacks is up there.

• 1:00:34Adam Sosnick?

  Linda Yaccarino.

• 1:00:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Jared Burchall, who is a, he's been his wealth manager, never heard of him. Steve Davis, a longtime associate, joined X in 03, later led the Boring Company. Antonio Gracias.

• 1:00:52Adam Sosnick?

  It's a big one.

• 1:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Alex Spiro, okay, start of a guy. Uh, Gwynn Shotwell, President CEO of SpaceX. Katie Miller, but I'm talking David Sacks, Kimball Musk.

• 1:01:04Adam Sosnick?

  His brother.

• 1:01:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, his brother can't get him, get to him because if you read the book, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not friends with these guys. It's not like I broke bread with these guys and I'm speaking, I don't want to speak out of a, a, a, what do you call it? Out of school like I'm, I'm not. I've met Elon one time and we've never exchanged texts, communication, nothing. I don't have a relationship, so I'm speaking purely out of. If something happens at that level, there's a falling out with your son or your kid. First thing I'm calling is, who does he trust that can, Tom, can you stop playing video games like?

• 1:01:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm, I'm not. I was looking at a, from Roger Stone and there was something like the Buzz Auto plane.

• 1:01:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, Tom, like, you know that.

• 1:01:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat, I'm sorry, man.

• 1:01:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Brandon was talking about that he hired to get him to be ranked number one in the video game. It's really Tom. Everybody knows Tom's a great gamer.

• 1:01:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, stay with us.

• 1:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But to me, that's what I'm interested in.

• 1:01:56Tom Ellsworth?

  I gotta get to level three.

• 1:01:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who does he trust? And that call needs to be made. And Trump can't call that guy. Somebody in the middle that has EQ to say, hey.

• 1:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the opening question if I call Ellison. You know, my first call is, Larry, what do you think about what's going on? Open ended. Cause Larry may say, I agree with Elon. Okay. Do you think this is good for America? No, I don't. Have you spoken to him? No, couldn't get a hold of him. Can you please try? So I think you need to find a way to get this thing to be settled.

• 1:02:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not good. Let me see what I can do. That's how it's gonna happen. Someone's gotta call him. This is not good for America, man. This is terrible for America because Elon can still get what he wants with J D Vance being the president by still not doing this.

• 1:02:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:02:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause he officially put a wedge in there that, you know what he officially did? He officially decreased the chance of J D Vance winning.

• 1:02:50Adam Sosnick?

  Bingo.

• 1:02:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He officially decreased the chance of J D Vance winning because J D Vance officially became the number one target from Trump.

• 1:02:57Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Remember that one time when he, they asked him, they said, J D Vance being the president, what did Trump say? I don't know about that. No, not him. No, no, we'll see what's gonna happen. And then about six weeks ago, he said Rubio or Vance. Remember he gave Rubio and Vance credit about six weeks ago.

• 1:03:10Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you for bringing that up. Can I make one point about that? The, the, forget JD Vance's name until 2028. In my opinion, Trump is not going anywhere. Trump is Teflon done. I can't, dude, I can't believe I'm so a proponent of Trump at this point. It, it's crazy where I'm at right now. Like, I'm disgusted at how Elon Musk is asking, at, acting. But, uh, forget about JD Vance, but I'll also say this. You're, you're not gonna hear any more conversations about Trump's third term anytime soon. At this point, let's let him finish his second term. Let's make America great right now.

• 1:03:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Adam Sosnick?

  Let's figure out this tariff situation. Let's figure out the border situation. Let's figure out this big, beautiful bill. You're not gonna hear Steve Bannon guarantee third term. What do you guarantee, Steve Bannon? Steve Bannon has no position to say shit at this point.

• 1:04:03Speaker 07

  Steve Bannon is saying that Trump should pull all of his, uh, Starling, all of his, uh, SpaceX and all that stuff because he's threatening stuff. But here's the thing, listen, I'm, I'm just being genuine and real. I'm happy and grateful that Elon Musk helped get our guy across the finish line, okay? The guy has been fighting since 2016. Russia collusion, all the impeachment, shot in the head, almost another attempt. Elon Musk and everything got him in. But I'm sorry, when it comes to this, push comes to shove, to hell with this dude. It's Donald Trump, it's the President of the United States. You're not gonna be out there bashing him and trying to threaten him and all that shit because it's our country that matters, okay? Elon's Elon first, Donald Trump is America first, and he's been America first forever, since the beginning. Go roll the tapes from the eighties and nineties when he was on all these shows, okay?

• 1:04:48Speaker 07

  It's about our country. Mind you, these cats, he's beefing with Donald Trump. We got Russia, Russia, which I believe by Sunday is gonna attack, and he already said it. He's gonna be attacking very, very soon. We got Israel and Gaza and all the shit that's happening in the world. China and these, these Chinese students bringing in bio and agriculture freaking weapons to try to attack. There's too much shit going on. This is the number one thing that's gonna be going on for the next freaking week. We got time for this shit.

• 1:05:14Speaker 08

  Has a question quick, so. What part of this could you think could be mental health related? Because if anybody who's read his book knows, like, he has these phases that Musk goes through where he like just descends into these like depression manacles where he starts fights with people and kind of goes crazy, almost like in a seemingly bipolar way, and then combine that with people saying he allegedly is on different kinds of medication. I don't know, do you think any part of this could be mental health related combined with not getting exactly what he wants?

• 1:05:41Speaker 07

  I mean, Brendan, from somebody that's drank and partied and stuff, that whatever he was on in the freaking Oval Office, Tom, when he was doing that, by the way, that I, whatever, his son or whatever, he looked off, and remember we said, Adam, it kind of, I felt like the guy's in there, you're basically getting fired, and they're giving you a key. He looked like, remember in Men in Black, like, alien that was in that guy?

• 1:06:05Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, your face is falling off.

• 1:06:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Adam Sosnick?

  Your skin is falling off.

• 1:06:09Speaker 07

  Your skin's falling off. That's what, look, look, yeah, Rob, can you play this? Look at what, look, look at his.

• 1:06:14Adam Sosnick?

  Brendan, you're asking a very poignant, very, very important question.

• 1:06:18Speaker 07

  Looks like he's morphing.

• 1:06:19Adam Sosnick?

  Because, in my opinion, and this is from firsthand advice, but somebody that knows Elon very well, the drugs have taken their toll.

• 1:06:28Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, I don't know how much drugs he's doing, yes, he's a billionaire, yes, he's done amazing things, yes, he's helped us, but, look, again, I was joking before, but if you got all these baby mamas, you're doing all these drugs, you're talking about going to Mars, we'd ask, what the hell's wrong with this person? He's an exception to the rule, I get it, but drugs don't discriminate, dude. You do this much drugs, you're gonna have some major issues in your body going on.

• 1:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a, when Trump said that he showed him the bill, he knew, false, this bill was never shown to me once and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it. You either believe him or you don't believe him. A lot of people agree with him, and a lot of people don't agree with him. A lot, you know, today when I talked to Charlie, one of the things was, look.

• 1:07:12Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're saying we're about saving money and we keep doing something like this and not showing that we want the government to get smaller, we gotta kinda stay there. But to me, if there is one thing that is very black and white for me, Trump is America first.

• 1:07:29Speaker 07

  Yup.

• 1:07:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It's that simple.

• 1:07:30Speaker 07

  Yup.

• 1:07:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump is America first and he is motive, you know, the guy's not a perfect guy. No one's expecting to be a perfect guy. He, I told Charlie today, I said, "Look, there's two things that's such a problem." Like, um, one time, one of my couples in the company, husband and wife, I introduced them to each other and they eventually got married. They have a beautiful family, beautiful, beautiful family. But I remember one time she came up to me and she said, "You know what? I'm gonna compete against him." I said, "What do you mean? I'm gonna compete against him because I think I can do a better job of prospecting and da, da, da, da, da." I said, "You're gonna compete against who?" "Against him."

• 1:08:12Speaker 07

  Her husband?

• 1:08:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I said, "You think that's a good idea?" "Yeah." Because I think I could, I said, "No." I said, "Let me put it to you this way. You guys go like that, divorce is around the corner. In every marriage, there has to be a king and an alpha.

• 1:08:24Speaker 07

  Yup.

• 1:08:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He's the alpha, not you. If you're gonna go like this, you're gonna lose it. This is not gonna work out. What do you wanna do?" You know what happened to her? Within six months, she flipped. You know what happened to their business? Blew up. They do forty, fifty million a year right now.

• 1:08:37Speaker 07

  Good for them.

• 1:08:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? So, credit to both of them. But I knew he's an alpha. What you think you're gonna do that? He's not gonna be okay with that. He's not... So, where am I going with this? There's a old quote, I can't figure out who it's from. A friend of mine, Jeff, gave it to me like seventeen years ago. I can't, I'm sure I'm gonna find it here soon. He says, "Civilizations and empires fall when people care who gets the credit."

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so think in this case, Elon's like, without me, you would never be president. Imagine how many other people are saying that in his ear. Girls, you know, other billionaires, other influencers that they were at PayPal, Mafia, and all these guys, he's very, he's got friends with a lot of people, world leaders, primates. Think about who Elon's talking to, who's texting him? Everybody, and their mothers, right? Space, everybody. So imagine some, no dude, you look, everybody knows, man, behind closed doors, without you, Trump would have never been president.

• 1:09:34Speaker 07

  You should have been the president, yeah.

• 1:09:35Patrick Bet-David?

  If you would have. You would have, all this stuff, you would have never done this with the bill, you would have done this with the doors, you would have done this, okay. So.

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• 1:10:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, the way he looks at him like this, on this, but look at Trump. Trump is sitting there, 79 years old, 78 years, he's about to be 79 in a few days.

• 1:10:54Patrick Bet-David?

  He's sitting there saying, I almost frickin' died.

• 1:11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And I busted my ass at 78 years old, brought all of you guys together. We were about to lose this shit to Kamala. And to frickin Biden, one of the two. woke would have continued, ESG would have continued, all the shit would have continued. This is what you guys are doing to me? Seriously? A grandfather of this many grandkids and a family and all this other, you want to do this to me? Really?

• 1:11:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is probably the first time in his career. Where he's sitting there by himself, when I saw that video, the look. When he's sitting there by himself saying, what the fuck, what am I doing? What am I doing? Is this how it's supposed to be? I don't know, I don't know who he talks with, it's God or his father and his mom and whoever it is. And dad, am I supposed, mom, am I supposed to go through, is this what's, I don't know who it is. But he has to go reflect when he goes to the bathroom by himself, or he's in an office by himself. But the reality of it is. When you look at the greatest comeback ever made. In any sport, and politics is a contact sport, different kind of contact. This guy made the greatest comeback in the history of mankind. And he becomes president. And almost dies multiple times. And he's still up there and brings all of these guys in together.

• 1:12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  For America, not because he needs to be a president, he's always gonna die being a president, billionaire, women, shows, all that. He didn't need this to be able to do it. One of the two have to realize one is the alpha. And Elon didn't want to cave. To Trump being the alpha amongst alphas. But the reality is. He had to accept it from day one. If you're doing this, you have to understand that Trump is the alpha, not you. In this setting. And it's unfortunate because this happens on sports teams, this happens in families, this happens in countries, this happens in a lot of different places. It doesn't mean the alpha is not gonna stumble and make mistakes. It doesn't mean that the bill is a good bill. It could mean you're right that the bill sucks. But it means he's the alpha, you have to save.

• 1:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  The respect of the alpha. You have to save that image of the alpha. Privately you say, this fucking sucks. You don't do it this way. You don't do it this way, because there's a lot of people that are innocent family people that are right now, you just don't do it this way. This is, this is not a good move. This is not a good move. And, and, and, you know. What, what happened the last four years, if you put the most important people the last four years. Number one is Trump, number two is Elon, but what he did with X? He's right there. But you're not the guy. You're not the guy, and that.

• 1:13:27Patrick Bet-David?

  is the challenge here and unfortunately this is where we are today folks anyways want to do an emergency podcast with you guys for those guys that joined us awesome thank you if you enjoyed it support us press the subscribe button I don't think I've asked that for that in a while and I saw a bunch of you guys ordered a bunch of allegedly I think stuff that we have here as well I know we have limited supply because we barely do it but if you guys haven't gotten any of the allegedly gear and shirt I'm sure if you support that the next couple weeks people are gonna get a kick out of this that's funny and it's a word probably everybody should be using without jumping in conclusion do you know Elon would Trump Epstein allegedly do you know Elon allegedly allegedly allegedly anyways God bless everybody have a great weekend take care bye bye bye

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