Encounters x347 - Real Paranormal Stories: Ghosts, Cryptids & Hauntings

It’s a kitchen sink episode, and we’re throwing everything paranormal at you! We’ve got haunted houses, dark entities, paranormal games gone wrong, La Llorona, a possible dragon sighting, a porn-addicted ghost and more. Stories include: A haunted childhood home brings night terrors, sleep paralysis, two sinister black cats, and a ghost that repeatedly changes the TV to an inappropriate channel. A game of Red Door, Yellow Door in a haunted basement unleashes a terrifying smiling man who appears in dreams and seems to follow the players beyond the game. A childhood spent attending disturbing nighttime rituals leads to terrifying dreams, sleep paralysis, a shared encounter with a demonic entity, and a long battle to break free. La Llorona appears after a mysterious wail is heard outside on the night a pregnancy is discovered. A terrifying apartment haunting features night terrors, shadow figures, scratches, blood seemingly dripping from the walls, demonic symbols, and an entity known as the Crawler. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:52Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 1:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 1:54Corinne Vien?

  Hello, everyone.

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How we doing?

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls One Ghost.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls One Ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:02Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and this is an Encounters episode where we read your stories. Did I slur my word?

• 2:09Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. My brain just kind of stopped working.

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You looked at me as if like something, I did something, and I was like, no.

• 2:15Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I'm post bachelorette party, who knows what's, wires are not crossing. Or maybe they're getting crossed.

• 2:22Corinne Vien?

  You survived a bachelorette. I survived a meteor over Boston.

• 2:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so sad I missed it.

• 2:26Corinne Vien?

  It's also, it feels so weird to even talk about current events, knowing that this comes out in like-

• 2:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  September?

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But we're recording in-

• 2:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like three months later.

• 2:35Corinne Vien?

  It's June 1st today.

• 2:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Man, it's June.

• 2:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's also crazier for you because it will be September.

• 2:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're traveling through time.

• 2:42Corinne Vien?

  Crazy. Yeah, you missed two sonic booms because it was in South Carolina before you went there.

• 2:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, actually, I was the sonic boom in Charleston.

• 2:50Corinne Vien?

  Honestly, that could be.

• 2:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was my touching down.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  Something about like two days before Sabrina comes, the city tries to explode itself.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe the aliens have been looking for me and they got their wires crossed.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, shoot. And that was their little tantrum. They're, kabow, she's not here. Dumber. But yeah, it made me realize we could all die at any instant and we'd never get alerted on our phones.

• 3:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Meanwhile, my only thing was, damn it, I missed it.

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  I mean, it was kind of cool.

• 3:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:14Corinne Vien?

  Like, it was scary in the moment.

• 3:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  What wasn't overly scary?

• 3:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I downloaded Hinge.

• 3:19Corinne Vien?

  We thought that, like, you did?

• 3:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because that was my, like, June 1st, I'll download Hinge. And-

• 3:22Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 3:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I downloaded it at the airport.

• 3:26Corinne Vien?

  What city did you say you were in?

• 3:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Boston.

• 3:28Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 3:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But one of the things is like, what is your biggest regret? And it's, I wrote that, I have not been abducted by aliens.

• 3:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gotten a lot of responses, but not from the people you want responses from.

• 3:40Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. You need someone with humor.

• 3:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, but Hinge is a scary place.

• 3:43Corinne Vien?

  What? I feel like almost everyone I know has met their partner on Hinge.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure, but there, there's too, like, Raya, there was not enough options on it.

• 3:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 3:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hinge, there's just too many, and they're not of highest caliber.

• 3:55Corinne Vien?

  Well-

• 3:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That I've found yet.

• 3:57Corinne Vien?

  Unfortunately for you, I will say my experience with Hinge was like, there were like a couple new people every year. But, but like, mostly, because Boston's so small, it's gonna be the same group over and over and over again. Then you're gonna start recognizing the people at the bars and out on the streets.

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, good thing I don't go out often, so.

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  But you go on walks. Like, I feel like, walking, I would just be like, oh.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm head down.

• 4:19Corinne Vien?

  I've seen that person on you.

• 4:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm looking at the squirrels in the trees, not the people I'm walking past.

• 4:23Corinne Vien?

  You know what I'm so excited for?

• 4:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 4:25Corinne Vien?

  The Love is Blind, Boston.

• 4:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have tea about it.

• 4:29Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 4:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My hairdresser knows a guy who was on it, and I can't say-

• 4:34Corinne Vien?

  Wait, have they announced the cast?

• 4:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gonna look good for him. I don't know if they've announced it. They already filmed it.

• 4:37Corinne Vien?

  Because Brian, I know, Brian and I keep being like, what are the chances we know someone-

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You might.

• 4:41Corinne Vien?

  On it. But then we're also like, but we're a little older in the demographic now. Like, if this were like five years ago.

• 4:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He, the guy that my friend knows, or my hairdresser knows, is like in his 30s.

• 4:51Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 4:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but apparently it's not, not looking great.

• 4:54Corinne Vien?

  I told you to apply. You said no.

• 4:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, absolutely not.

• 4:57Corinne Vien?

  Then my friend Chris, I try, I texted him and tried to do the like, odds are you apply to Love is Blind. You know, and then they'll say like, one in five, or whatever, you do three, two, one. And he just refused to do it. And he's like, no.

• 5:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, here's, if this helps anyone, my hairdresser is married with a child, and they DM'd her asking if she wanted to be on it. She's like, I'm married.

• 5:15Corinne Vien?

  Wow. I'm insulted I didn't get a message.

• 5:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're also married.

• 5:19Corinne Vien?

  As a Boston local-

• 5:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With a child.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  Who has a microphone, who talks about being a Boston local, I can't believe it.

• 5:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anywho.

• 5:27Corinne Vien?

  I guess I was too pregnant to be on the show.

• 5:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do think they should do a Love Island, but people in their 30s.

• 5:33Corinne Vien?

  See, I've never seen Love Island, so I have no idea. I just see people like arguing in hot tubs.

• 5:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but I just feel like, make it more accessible for, for the older people.

• 5:42Corinne Vien?

  For us, in our 30s.

• 5:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who are trying to get a second time.

• 5:46Corinne Vien?

  We're so old.

• 5:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, hi, we're here to read ghost stories. And occasionally, I guess, talk about my dating life and-

• 5:55Corinne Vien?

  Well, you know what? This was appropriate because our theme for Encounters was kitchen sink, so anything goes. There's no theme.

• 6:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's kind of what you get when you come to listen to Two Girls One Ghost.

• 6:04Corinne Vien?

  So it's like, are we talking about?

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, I just looked at one of your subject lines.

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  Are we talking about dating life? Or are we talking about the time someone's ghost was addicted to porn?

• 6:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stop it.

• 6:14Corinne Vien?

  I pulled this specifically for you. I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm getting to grab, because it was only since six days ago. So the second it came through, I was like, rushing, because I feel like you always see everything, like in the 0.5 seconds it comes into the inbox.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I'm refreshing our inbox maybe every five minutes.

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And, no, I ran.

• 6:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Organizing it.

• 6:32Corinne Vien?

  I ran. I sprinted. I was out of breath grabbing this email before Sabrina could see it.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm a 12-year-old boy.

• 6:39Corinne Vien?

  Subject line definitely geared towards Sabrina. Okay. Hello, lovely ladies and T G O G community. I'm Marissa. I feel like I hardly meet a Marissa in the wild, but when I listen, I start to think that we're all here, because I hear my name so often in stories told. Okay, so there is going to be a warning of talk of drugs and sexual assault in this story. I'm new to the Patreon family, and I've been going through Campfire Stories. On Campfire Stories number 31, also, it's live every week, but it's also available for replays. You can always go back and re-watch everyone's stories.

• 7:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bonus content.

• 7:13Corinne Vien?

  There was someone named Katie who told her story of a haunted house. And honestly, it felt exactly like my story growing up. Except I basically grew up as an only child because my brother was 22 and out of the house, and I was 12. I was alone. I felt fear being in just that one house, having night terrors basically every single night.

• 7:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 7:32Corinne Vien?

  And I was so happy on the nights that I wouldn't dream. I would also get chased around the house in my dreams. And at the time, I was terrified of dinosaurs, like the 90s dinosaurs Disney movie, which is very scary. And in my nightmares, a T-Rex would somehow be chasing me through the house. I would hide under the bed. And this happened a lot.

• 7:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, poor Marissa.

• 7:53Corinne Vien?

  And I was like, oh, my gosh, am I having a bad dream? Is this a sleeper house? What is this? But I'd wake up and I'd be on the bed, and I wouldn't be able to move. And it was during this time that it felt like maybe I was still in a dream, because I would see these two black cats. But they'd have these like Cheshire smiles, like the Alice in Wonderland cat. And they would be holding me down. And the memory of it is so strong. I remember just feeling so uncomfortable and trapped. So everything that I went through paranormal-wise was at this specific house. I don't remember how my parents even came into buying it. We lived there for four years before my mom left and my dad-

• 8:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of a sudden, it was just there.

• 8:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. The little demonic cats summoned you, to pin you down and-

• 8:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Steal your soul.

• 8:36Corinne Vien?

  Steal your soul, give you nightmares every night. We lived there for about four years before my mom left, and unfortunately, my dad was into harder drugs. And he took all of our money, and I had to grow up being very strong for my mom, and she cried a lot. The house might have contributed to some of these heated emotions happening, and I wonder if I dreamed that it was coming. I've had a dream where me and my mom are in the trailer house living room. And this is the house that we lived in before we were in the haunted house. I was looking through the windows towards the direction of where the haunted house was, and at the time, I didn't know of this house. So it was just dark. And in the distance, I could see this bright red glowing over this particular area. It was like a bright fire in the distance, but pretty close, like maybe like two miles away.

• 9:20Corinne Vien?

  And I remember asking my mom in the dream, what is that light in the distance? And she casually answered, oh, that's the devil. And now my mom would never say those words, even if it was true. And it wasn't until I was an adult that I thought back and realized that that is where the haunted house was that we moved to.

• 9:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dread. Demon. Great.

• 9:41Corinne Vien?

  I now have two lovely cats, Luna, who's 11 and living her best life. And after moving in with my boyfriend, his cat Max, our great tuxedo. And if you're curious about a porn-loving ghost-

• 9:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, yes, sure am.

• 9:54Corinne Vien?

  I'm not sure why this would happen. I honestly think that maybe this thing just wanted to prank me or terrify me a lot of times. But we had dish TV, and it liked to change the channels a lot. Maybe it was just weird interference. But one time, I was in the room, and I could see down the hall to my parents' room, and they were both laying in bed, watching TV. The door was open. And the ghost starts changing the TV on me. It keeps going to some random porn channel. I would change it back really quickly and look over my shoulder, because I was 12 and my parents were there, and, and they just never noticed. They kept doing their thing. But then, once again, my ghost would change the channel back to this one porn channel.

• 10:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a sicko.

• 10:33Corinne Vien?

  This happens one more time. I know. She's trying to get her in trouble.

• 10:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Watch on your own time.

• 10:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. This happens one more time before finally my TV changes again, right back to the porn channel. This happens one more time before I finally call my mom, and I say, I don't know what's happening. The channel keeps changing. And so she stands there for almost two minutes, and nothing happens. As soon as she gets up and walks away, she's not even in her room yet, the TV changes back to the porn channel. I stopped calling my parents for a weird offense, because honestly, they just like didn't really believe me most of the time. And after we moved, I stopped getting terrified, so I kind of forgot about all of it. Well, I love you, girls. I listen anytime I can. From Marissa.

• 11:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like that porn-loving ghost is, I don't like them. Cause it feels manipulative.

• 11:23Corinne Vien?

  Inappropriate.

• 11:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's super inappropriate. And it's not trying to get her in trouble. Because other, if it was, it would have.

• 11:29Corinne Vien?

  Done it in front of her mom.

• 11:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, or done it to make it look like Marissa did it.

• 11:33Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 11:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When the mom was coming or whatever.

• 11:35Corinne Vien?

  Trying to expose her to something.

• 11:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which we don't approve of.

• 11:38Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 11:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that house is definitely haunted.

• 11:40Corinne Vien?

  I'm curious how old Marissa is.

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now?

• 11:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, just to like, understand when this happened too. Cause I feel like these were the days where it's like, people always talk about, oh, there's no modern ghosts. And like, how do you know if you have a modern ghost? But like, what if there was a modern ghost in this house at this time? And it was like another teenager, cause I remember.

• 11:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 11:59Corinne Vien?

  I've said this like 500 times on the podcast, but like, I remember getting in trouble for like a one or two porn links or something on our family computer. But it was a time that in AIM, people would be like, oh, click on this link. And it would be like frigging meatspin.com or something. So like people would just.

• 12:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You introduced me to meatspin.com in my adult years.

• 12:16Corinne Vien?

  Trokingly send.

• 12:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Corinne Vien?

  It's like porn links and you'd open it and you'd panic.

• 12:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Corinne Vien?

  And I didn't know about cookies or deleting your history or anything like that.

• 12:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I still don't understand cookies.

• 12:26Corinne Vien?

  Me neither.

• 12:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And why are they called cookies?

• 12:27Corinne Vien?

  Maybe is that why my computer doesn't work?

• 12:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Clearing our cookies.

• 12:30Corinne Vien?

  Why are you giving me cookies if I, if you want me to have them anyway?

• 12:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, like cookies are edible, not tangible weird.

• 12:38Corinne Vien?

  That's what I don't understand.

• 12:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does anyone understand cookies? I don't know. Wow, okay.

• 12:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 12:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is a haunted place.

• 12:44Corinne Vien?

  There's a lot going on in this one place.

• 12:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's also a lot going on in my next couple of stories. I don't know, which one do I start with? They're all scary.

• 12:51Corinne Vien?

  Our kitchen sinks, everybody finds them all scary.

• 12:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, interestingly, cause we have two folders in our inbox that like, we will, if we see things, we pull them into the, those folders.

• 13:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have about 340 in mine. You have 97 in yours. So whenever we do a kitchen sink, I go to my folder.

• 13:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh, you just pull?

• 13:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And naturally, the ones that I have pulled into my folder are often the scariest ones.

• 13:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I'm gonna read one that is called Red Door, Yellow Door, and Demons.

• 13:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, my name is Abby. I just started listening to your podcast about a year ago and I consider myself a pretty in tune person. My hungover self wanted to read insane person. Okay, Abby said, I have a lot of smaller experiences from my haunted house, but this is by far the most memorable. I will change everyone's names except for mine for privacy. To give a little background of the situation, my house is haunted. I've known this since before I could even talk and I strongly believe it and I have even through my teens.

• 13:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, before she could even talk, that makes me so sad. To think of just like a toddler walking around being like, wow, I don't really know what life is, but I feel like these dead people hanging out. Probably not a part of normal life for some.

• 14:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everywhere in this house is kind of equal in creepiness, but nowhere has actual bad vibes. Except for the basement.

• 14:13Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With the amount of experiences that have happened down there, this one included, I definitely think this is where all of the hauntings come from. That might be because of something that happened before we moved in, because it's over a hundred years old. Or it might be because no one wanted to play the Ouija board with me when I was six, so I took it upon myself to disobey my parents and I played alone.

• 14:31Corinne Vien?

  At six?

• 14:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, if you're seeing ghosts from before you're even born.

• 14:37Corinne Vien?

  I like can't comprehend what a six-year-old is like right now. I feel like I only know toddlers or like 10-year-olds.

• 14:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 14:44Corinne Vien?

  So like six?

• 14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Corinne Vien?

  What are you saying? What, what questions are you asking the board?

• 14:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't get that story right now. Either way, the house is haunted.

• 14:51Corinne Vien?

  It's a good setup for who this person is.

• 14:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, for our girl Abby.

• 14:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it started when me and my friend were hanging out and decided to look up scary games to play. We looked through a few, but they were all either too mundane or too scary. And that is when we found Red Door, Yellow Door. The game is simple. One person lays down in the other's lap and the other is a guide. The person laying down closes their eyes and then tries to visualize doors and focus on what the guide is chanting. The guide starts chanting, red door, yellow door, any other color door. Until the person laying down goes into this sort of trance. Now, the person laying down who's in the trance, they should be able to visualize something like a hallway, doors, a room, et cetera. And the guide is supposed to guide them through.

• 15:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are also rules that both people need to know in order to play, but especially the guide, because they are the one who is fully conscious. There are lots of rules. But the main one that is involved with this story is to avoid people in the trance. Basically, this game is an exploration of your consciousness and it's best to avoid other people if you see them in your trance-like state. In some variations, when you see a man in a suit standing in front of you, you are supposed to end the game. But we also got all of our information from TikTok and Reddit, so who knows how relevant this is. But we knew all these rules. Me and my friend were in my basement and we decided to try it. My basement has a pullout bed where we could play the game. And we also were like, that's where all the scary shit happens. So what better place to play the game?

• 16:19Corinne Vien?

  Also, Abby just brought something up that I've never thought about.

• 16:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 16:22Corinne Vien?

  Where like, when you're playing a paranormal game, we're just blindly trusting the rules that we read online or like whatever source we get it from.

• 16:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's why they're dangerous.

• 16:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I never really thought about that.

• 16:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Disclaimer to the top is like, play at your own risk.

• 16:36Corinne Vien?

  What if someone's purposefully manipulating you and giving you the wrong steps in a game to get you trapped?

• 16:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and also the trust of a human.

• 16:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so I tried it first, where I went into a trance and my friend was guiding me. My younger brother was there for emotional support, but I couldn't get into the trance. I did have pretty bad paranoia after, and I was convinced that my brother and my friend weren't them for about 10 minutes. Slowly though, I was able to get back to my right mind. After that, no one really wanted to try it, but somehow I convinced my friend, after you just spent 10 minutes being like, you're not who you say you are.

• 17:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's so freaky.

• 17:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It didn't work, but you're not who you say you are. So I guided my friend and everything was going pretty well, until she came out of her room and saw an old man. The way she described him was that he was hunched over, bald, smiling. She said his smile was so wide, it was freaking her out. I started getting freaked out too, so I told her to walk away, but she said she couldn't. She described it as being frozen in place and then said he was getting closer to her, but neither of them was moving.

• 17:35Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 17:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was very freaked out.

• 17:37Corinne Vien?

  That's so trippy.

• 17:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I kept my voice calm and I said, walk away. When again, she said she couldn't, I asked if I should wake her up and she stopped responding. I woke her up after a minute of not responding and she was very dazed. By then, her parents were there to pick her up and on the way out, I asked if she remembered anything about the man. She looked at me confused and said, no. About a week later, we hung out again and I asked if she could remember now. She said only bits and pieces, but that all week she was having dreams about that man.

• 18:06Corinne Vien?

  Okay, clearly it worked.

• 18:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I told her the full story and she was shocked about how little she actually remembered from the night when we played the game. Eventually, the dreams stopped, but after that, she texted me that something else happened. According to her, she was at a park swinging and looked out into the wooded area of the park where she saw a creature on four really long legs with a humanoid body smiling at her. She said, it was the man's smile.

• 18:30Corinne Vien?

  Ew, oh, I hate this, cause I'm also picturing, like, I haven't seen the movie The Backrooms, but I've seen like the trailer and like clips and like things about the different monsters and I'm picturing the one version of the guy that has like the peg leg.

• 18:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:44Corinne Vien?

  Ah.

• 18:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She said she couldn't explain it, but she knew it was him. So I sat there terrified and thanked whatever God had let me not fall into that trance. And if after all that, you think we never played Red Door, Yellow Door again, unfortunately, you would be mistaken. About three weeks later, it was my 14th.

• 18:58Corinne Vien?

  Three weeks? Not even enough time to convince yourself it wasn't really that big of a deal?

• 19:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, apparently Abby did. It was my 14th birthday and I had a party with many of my friends, including the one that I'd first played Red Door, Yellow Door with. And for some reason, after we ate cake, we decided to ask if anyone else wanted to play. Where did we go? Down to the basement.

• 19:16Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We shared the dangers, the rules, and soon everyone was trying it. And it was going pretty well until a girl asked if I could be her guide. I said yes. She was in the trance. Everything was going okay, until she came out of one of the rooms and said she saw a man with a really wide unnatural smile. I started asking if she wanted me to wake her up, but similar to my friend a couple of weeks prior, she stopped responding. So I woke her up. When she woke up, she was evidently shook and had to stay laying down. Everyone else stopped playing and started watching us to make sure she was okay.

• 19:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I, uh, cause it's hard, like especially if someone's having a hard time waking up, you're like, what's the difference between a like poorly timed medical emergency and something paranormal?

• 19:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. She suddenly started crying and pointing at something in the corner of the basement. Everyone looked, turned. There was no one there. We were all confused. But my friend and I locked eyes, the friend who I played with the first time. We both knew it was happening. That thing, it was here. And the girl who was laying started screaming, he's here, he's smiling. I immediately started saying things for intentions and protection. I repeated things like, you are not welcome here, you need to leave, we give you no power, you cannot attach yourself to anyone here in this house. I was calm, but I was firm. Some other people in there, they did not have good instincts or experience of what I do. Which was evident when one of my friends grabbed a toy sword and tried to hit the area that this other girl was pointing to.

• 20:38Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 20:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I felt instantly made it a lot worse and was undoing what I had been doing with my words.

• 20:45Corinne Vien?

  Can't just punch an invisible.

• 20:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm. I kept my voice calm and I kept trying to keep my mind calm. I started to feel angry. I don't know how to explain it, but I knew I didn't feel angry, but there was this overwhelming amount of anger and hatred invading my mind. And soon, instead of my voice being calm, I was yelling and screaming at it. I was still saying the same words, but the intention behind them had completely changed. And soon, I wasn't even saying the same things. I was swearing at it, saying that I hate it, saying that it would die alone. Other stuff that I truly can't remember. I was not feeling like myself. And I was making it worse by giving it this negative energy, like it was almost wanting me to say the things I was saying. I took a moment, I calmed down, and then I continued with what I was saying before in a calm way. Thankfully, he disappeared.

• 21:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were doing everything to try to calm the other girl down and with it gone, finally she was able to. She was sitting there quiet when she covered her face and said, he's back. This time, she pointed to the small window in the basement. I launched back into setting boundaries while asking what she saw. She said he was crouching down and his neck was bent so that he could look into the window.

• 21:51Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, which is so creepy, cause it just like proves how tall he is.

• 21:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he was still smiling. After about 20 more seconds of me setting boundaries and intentions, she suddenly stood up and said, we need to go outside. I asked her why and she said that this man had a little boy with him and he was going to kill the little boy. We all started to assure her that there was no boy, that he was just trying to make her come outside. And he was trying to trick her. She started crying and hiding her face because she said the man was showing her a visual of him strangling a little boy.

• 22:20Corinne Vien?

  This reminds me so much of another story we read, probably like a year or two ago, where someone was getting visions of

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Horrible things.

• 22:27Corinne Vien?

  Like murders and kidnappings and stuff. And they weren't sure what they were.

• 22:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very similar to Dominus, too.

• 22:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rick. I kept saying words of protection. The others calmed her down and soon enough, he did disappear. Soon after that party ended, I asked this friend if she had seen him again the next week. She just shook her head, but she looked traumatized. I never asked her about it again. And I still talk to the first friend who I played with. And after discussing what happened, we absolutely believe it was the same entity and that it was definitely demonic. And now we don't play red door, yellow door anymore. Thank you so much for reading my story. You guys might be the only ones who believe it. Stay spooky, Abby. Does it not remind you of Talk to Me? I always think about this hand that's like hovering above my head on the shelf.

• 23:10Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 23:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A whole party of everyone being like, ooh, let me take turns to be in this trance and see what's on the other side.

• 23:16Corinne Vien?

  It's just like, it's so wild. Like, I understand. It's kind of like the don't push the red button sort of thing where people are tempted. Like, you're witnessing some of your friends having really hard times. And you're still willing to try.

• 23:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess all it takes is two terrible experiences.

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. You talking about the hand is reminding me of one of the skits that, what was his name, like Clay Barker? Whatever the writer and director of Obsession, the creator of Obsession is, he is like comedy troupe to a Talk to Me skit.

• 23:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No way.

• 23:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Where it was like, it was funny because he's like just being this modern, like annoying ghost. But like from like 2010 and he keeps asking about Kesha.

• 23:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's my kind of ghost. Any ghost is allowed to come talk to me about Kesha.

• 24:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But it's like doing like things that are just so of that, like early YouTube, like the Kesha era is like blah, blah, blah. And the guy's like, ew, gross.

• 24:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See, that's like, but that's the ideal version of playing a game like that. You would want a ghost like that. Not one like this creepy, smiling man who's gonna follow you for weeks and weeks and weeks.

• 24:19Corinne Vien?

  Exactly.

• 24:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

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• 25:53Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have one called, and it's not overly paranormal, but I feel like we just don't get emails like this. It's called My Time in a Cult.

• 26:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kitchen sink.

• 26:02Corinne Vien?

  It's the kitchen sink.

• 26:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We get it all.

• 26:04Corinne Vien?

  Now's the time to

• 26:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not be in a cult.

• 26:06Corinne Vien?

  I mean, there's definitely paranormal elements. Let me, let me just, don't get me wrong. Okay. Hello. I just wanted to start off by saying I absolutely love your podcast so much. Okay, now I'll get to the story.

• 26:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yay.

• 26:16Corinne Vien?

  This all started when I was 12, maybe 13. And at the time, my mom started working in warehouses in which she met a lady that befriended her. She seems pretty normal to me at the time and I never really had expected what I saw when she invited us over to her house one day. A few weeks before that, though, my mom had been leaving at night, always around 10:00 PM. And then she'd come back almost after midnight. And when she did, she smelled like herbs and smoke. And when I would ask her what was going on, she simply said that she was getting cleansings done.

• 26:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 26:45Corinne Vien?

  Not sure if you've ever heard of Santeria. I ain't got no Santeria. I ain't got no crystal ball. We heard. But she claimed that her friend's husband practiced it. At the time, I didn't really question her much, mostly because I didn't really understand the extent of it. But that all changed one night when she told my sister and I to come along with her.

• 27:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 27:07Corinne Vien?

  Later, I found out that it was actually the lady that told my mom to take us that night. Ooh.

• 27:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which, because it's a religion.

• 27:15Corinne Vien?

  And also if you're like thinking you're doing healing, it's like, oh.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, of course, I'll bring my kids.

• 27:19Corinne Vien?

  Your child's suffering from hormones. She bleeds.

• 27:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Instead of putting her on birth control, let's bring her and do some cleansing.

• 27:27Corinne Vien?

  Cleansing.

• 27:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Corinne Vien?

  And no, I get it. When we arrived, we entered through her front door. I saw her sons, but they didn't talk to us. It seemed like they were kind of avoiding even looking at us. Still, we made our way to the backyard and I will say, never in my life will I forget just how overwhelming and absolutely wretched the smell was that hit me there.

• 27:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What the heck was it?

• 27:47Corinne Vien?

  It smelled like blood and dead animals. And there were blood stains in the concrete. And there was literally a head of a goat on a stick and then candles around it. Needless to say, I was shocked. I was disturbed. And in front of the altar were chairs and people were already there sitting. I would say maybe there were a total of six or seven people, including us. The first time there, we had a reading done, a cleansing. And what I came to realize was there was a full blown possession being done right in front of my eyes.

• 28:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, a possession being done, not an exorcism?

• 28:20Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 28:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like they're actively trying to get someone possessed?

• 28:23Corinne Vien?

  The man in charge of the group would come along wearing all white. He would be barefoot. He wore a few beaded necklaces and he would sip out of a metal cup. Then he would take a few draws of a cigar and start chanting in a different language. He would say to hold hands and to not let go. And then he would say not to look at him, but I did anyway.

• 28:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How can you, well, it's like pressing the red button. Don't press it. Don't look at me. You're gonna look more.

• 28:48Corinne Vien?

  His eyes rolled back, revealing only white and his voice changed. His posture changed to that of an old man and he spoke in tongues. His wife was the one that translated for him. Over the course of a year, my sister and I had to go through a few very disturbing moments for starters. We had to wear all white night gowns and it was always in the middle of the night. We had to sit in a metal tub under the moonlight. The water contained herbs, pigeon blood, alcohol that he spit in there, rose petals and chewed tobacco. They gathered us, they chanted, all while he was like possessed. He blew smoke at us. He spit alcohol on us. He had burning herbs and he would run herbs through our hair and our body.

• 29:31Corinne Vien?

  And after that, we'd have to go to this room that was filled with all sorts of bones on the floor and statues of deities that he worshipped. This is so scary and I can't believe their mom was like, yeah.

• 29:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, this is like an active religion. Like it's, it exists today.

• 29:47Corinne Vien?

  He read my cards and he gave me my own beaded necklaces and he said, I have to wear them now. Another instance, he would assign us things like to bring goats or pigeons or doves or pigs. And then he would sacrifice them and have us drink some of the blood. That's so dangerous. But speaking in tongues things doesn't freak me out because I feel like it's part of a lot of religions.

• 30:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also with this, we say that this is about all religions, like inherently religion isn't good or evil. It's how the people who are participating in it, use it and practice it. That can change the perception and belief.

• 30:23Corinne Vien?

  Oh, absolutely. And I feel like drinking straight blood from butchered

• 30:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kids do it.

• 30:29Corinne Vien?

  Animals is probably not the best.

• 30:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like if you do it on your own, fine, you chose to do that. But making children do that?

• 30:36Corinne Vien?

  Just, I mean, guys, we have lived through a pandemic. Is this stuff still happening? I feel like

• 30:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The answer is yes.

• 30:43Corinne Vien?

  Germaphobe wise.

• 30:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The answer is yes. People swap spit with strangers every day.

• 30:48Corinne Vien?

  I guess that's true. I began to feel pity for the animals, even though I feel like at that time I was kind of being brainwashed and believing that maybe this was no big deal. But I asked my mom one night to let me stay home. And at first she agreed, but later she said, no, I did have to go. The man was asking for us. Around that time, I started going to church and I kind of felt like what we were doing was wrong, but I was still chasing religion. Eventually I quit going and my mom did too. And I would say that I guilt tripped her and that should have been the end of everything, right? Only it wasn't. My sister and I started having nightmares. I experienced sleep paralysis so terrifying, I was afraid to go to bed every night. I would hear voices. I would see things. I would have nightmares every single time I wasn't having sleep paralysis.

• 31:31Corinne Vien?

  And my sister started sleepwalking and talking and became the target for physical attacks. The funny thing about this was that we both kept it a secret from each other until

• 31:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're gonna say there's something funny about it?

• 31:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What? Where?

• 31:43Corinne Vien?

  I mean, they've already like survived so much, it feels like with just not understanding like what is going on around them. That I can understand being like, okay, well, this is the lesser maybe of

• 31:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of it all?

• 31:53Corinne Vien?

  Of it all. We kept it a secret from each other until one night, we must have both been so exhausted and we came clinging to each other. That day, I told her the name of a demon that had been appearing in my dreams. She looked at me in absolute horror because she told me that it told her the same exact name.

• 32:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa, what is it?

• 32:13Corinne Vien?

  Now there's a bug in here somehow.

• 32:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How did it get in here?

• 32:16Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. It wasn't in here before.

• 32:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What should we do?

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. I feel like it's, it's going crazy.

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Go to the flame. I feel like our survival instincts are very low right now.

• 32:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's on the ground. Let me grab it.

• 32:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where? Ew.

• 32:33Corinne Vien?

  It's a beetle. I'll go release it. I did not squish it for anyone who's wondering. My sister told me that it had told her the exact same name. And at that moment, we knew it was no accident, the things that we were going through, they were not gonna go away by ignoring them. So we, at the age of 13 and nine.

• 32:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Babies.

• 32:55Corinne Vien?

  My God, they're so much younger than I even thought.

• 32:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why both your stories so far have young children being privy to things that they shouldn't?

• 33:02Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. Yours too.

• 33:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure, but they willingly chose it.

• 33:06Corinne Vien?

  We decided we would go to whatever church was closest to us and beg the priest to bless our crucifix and to pray for us. We carried holy water with us at all times. It sounds insane, but we swore it was necessary, especially because

• 33:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It doesn't sound insane. Do what you need.

• 33:21Corinne Vien?

  I feel like that's bathe in it. Like, yeah, put holy water in your shampoo bottles. I feel like you like need more. Things escalated one day when we were home alone because my mom worked all day. We laid in bed and the entire bed started to shake. The lights flickered. We heard scratching on the wall. My sister panicked and screamed and I felt like the air got really thick and heavy. I froze in fear, but I'm also not the type to just take it. So I grabbed her hand and we ran out of the front door. We refused to go back inside until my mom came back from work. She asked why we were outside at 10:00 PM and what had happened. And honestly, you could

• 34:02Corinne Vien?

  tell that she did believe us, but she also didn't do a thing about it. I felt so helpless until I came across this church. I told them everything that was happening and they literally held an exorcism for my sister and I. It was not like the ones on TV where like they're tied down and a few people are praying around them. They said that this would take more than one session. They told us that there was indeed a demonic force attached to us. And that's when I came clean about everything that we had experienced, the cult we left behind. I mentioned all the threats that people had made about us not coming back. And obviously now this makes sense, but it seems like there was something summoned to pester us for leaving.

• 34:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm. I'm shocked that the mom didn't experience more.

• 34:47Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 34:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But maybe the girls were just easier targets.

• 34:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which also makes it worse. Makes me hate them more.

• 34:54Corinne Vien?

  And it's also like, I'm, I'm a little bit skeptical of like, did the mom actually fully leave?

• 34:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, like, oh, I hope so.

• 35:00Corinne Vien?

  Was she secretly still participating?

• 35:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, geez.

• 35:03Corinne Vien?

  In total, my sister and I had two exorcisms and constant prayers. Things got scarier before they got better. I learned how to pray. I learned how to ask God for help. And I know this sounds so cliche or almost fake, but I really, with all my heart, just wanted everyone to know that I do believe God is real and so are demons. Even if you're not religious, there's something about how the name of God holds weight over this darkness. Like, that is real. The room brightened, the air started getting lighter. I called out to God and the archangels for help. And that is when I had one of the very last encounters that I've ever had with this dark entity. The room temperature dropped, the lights dimmed, the air was hard to breathe. I felt overwhelmed with the

• 35:46Corinne Vien?

  sense of dread. All the signs were there. But despite our attempts at keeping this thing away, it was there. At the time, I was so tired. I was so angry with it still messing with us after all this time. And that day, I prayed to the archangels out loud. I called to them. I called to God. I begged them for help. I was in tears. I repeated those words over and over. And then suddenly, it was like a switch, a change in the room. I could feel the warmth around me. And in my head, I heard a voice saying, keep praying. Don't open your eyes.

• 36:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 36:18Corinne Vien?

  It's so interesting. It felt like there was spiritual warfare taking place around us.

• 36:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is why they were like, keep your eyes closed. You don't want to see what's happening.

• 36:27Corinne Vien?

  Battle between light and dark.

• 36:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 36:29Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, the amount of trauma, fear, anxiety that this causes me, to this day, it really does still haunt me. I strongly believe that my time in this cult opened my spirituality because I am very sensitive to the paranormal now. I see things, I hear things. It happens so often that it honestly almost seems normal. And I don't see this demonic entity anymore. But I do know for a fact that at times, I can feel this thing in the back of my mind.

• 36:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hate that.

• 36:59Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, thank you for reading. Hope you're not too disturbed. From Maria.

• 37:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, Maria, we're disturbed. And I'm very glad that you are no longer. I mean, it sounds like it's still kind of in the back of the mind.

• 37:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that she's not having to go participate and be in this.

• 37:16Corinne Vien?

  Right. But like, in a way, I almost feel like, is this thing still stalking her? Or is it just that she's so open to the paranormal? That it's almost like a normal thing, too, that like every once in a while, something else is going to come along. And you just have to keep up your guards. You have to keep your practices of like, only letting certain things in.

• 37:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or also just the fear of it, just the memory of it is like, strong enough to have it pop back in every once in a while to be like, I remember you too.

• 37:45Corinne Vien?

  Right. Like the part two where there's like scratching on the walls and the bed is shaking, like, it feels so reminiscent of so many of like, not the movie, but like the TV haunting in Connecticut, which was based on a real family, or like the Smurl family possessions. Like, they're just all of these.

• 38:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Escalations.

• 38:03Corinne Vien?

  Stories of, yeah, like what happens in the house when there is a demon.

• 38:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are patterns.

• 38:08Corinne Vien?

  Coming for you.

• 38:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They have their MOs.

• 38:11Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 38:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know who else has an MO? La Llorona.

• 38:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 38:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this is from a different Abby, but Abby, who

• 38:18Corinne Vien?

  Two Abys.

• 38:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Didn't believe in La Llorona until she saw her.

• 38:22Corinne Vien?

  See, the beauty of believing in everything is that nothing has to prove its existence to you. So do you want to tempt fate or not?

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sometimes it will. Hi, spooky beauties. I'm Abby. I love listening to your show. I guess listening to spooky ship calms me. So here's my spooky story. I'm not sure if you've heard of the urban legend by the name of La Llorona. I wouldn't call her an urban legend. I would call her a very real, very present.

• 38:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Entity. I never believed in her because I don't really like to get into urban legends like that. Oops.

• 38:51Corinne Vien?

  Oops. It is such a bit like, it's, I guess technically you can call it an urban legend, but like, it's real. Urban legend feels more like, no, Emily's Bridge, or like, go here and little kids will push your car up the, like, La Llorona is not just in one location. Like, it is all expansive. It is

• 39:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bodies of water could be in your bathtub. Yeah.

• 39:10Corinne Vien?

  It's an entity.

• 39:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In all seriousness, though, I do get really uncomfortable talking about it. My husband is Hispanic, fully. So he and his family really believe in this shit. And I've always made fun of them. Well, my bad fam. He is from Texas, way down south where La Llorona is prominent. So there was one time where we went to visit his parents for a mini vacation. We live in Ohio, and I had found out I was pregnant with our now six-year-old while we were there. The very night we found out, I went outside just to sit and relax by myself and soak in that Texas night air, since I had never really been there before. I was outside, sitting in the swing, when all of a sudden I started to hear rustling around in the bushes not too far from the house. I thought, hmm, probably just a stray dog, because down here, there's a ridiculous amount of strays that wandered

• 39:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  around. So I ignored it. Then I heard crying.

• 40:00Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 40:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like a really distressed wailing. Now, I am Caucasian, but I have a Hispanic stepfather who's been my dad since I was seven. I was 25 at the time of this incident and I am now 32. So I grew up with Hispanic influence. I knew about her. So my mind went to her when I heard this wailing. But I was frozen, staring in the direction I heard the cry coming from. And that's when I saw her. She was far away, but I saw her. And I have never been the same since. She was just standing there crying. And when she started to move, I tried so freaking hard to run inside, but I was frozen. I don't know what was wrong with me at all, but all I could do was just stare at her. Fortunately, my husband ended up coming outside. Don't know why, but the timing was great

• 40:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  to see what I was doing. And the second he opened the door, she disappeared. She was gone. I was so freaked out and also a little embarrassed about not believing my family and my husband's family about this, that I never told anyone. Not even him.

• 40:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. I am glad that La Llorona disappeared, because that's also proof that like, wasn't actually someone who needed help?

• 41:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 41:03Corinne Vien?

  So you don't have to guilt of being like, wait, did I misidentify or misconstrue that situation as being paranormal when like, someone was actually in distress?

• 41:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it was La Llorona. I've never seen or heard her again, but I find myself paranoid a lot now that I have two young children. And where I live is very quiet. So sometimes I find myself listening a little too hard at night. All I can do is hope she doesn't like Ohio, just like no one else does. So I don't know. But I am telling you, she's real. Texas? Zero out of 10 stars. Love you, Abby.

• 41:35Corinne Vien?

  Texas and Ohio. We have Texas and Ohio's number one hater here.

• 41:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. She lives there.

• 41:41Corinne Vien?

  Abby.

• 41:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think she's just scared of, I mean, I don't know that she's Ohio's hater. She likes it. She just knows everyone else hates Ohio. But I

• 41:49Corinne Vien?

  Ohio was on my list of like, if the apocalypse hits, I was like, I'm gonna go to Ohio. Cause it's easy. It's

• 41:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause Jerry and Sarah live there. Be fun to apocalypse with them?

• 41:59Corinne Vien?

  It would be fun. No, but it was before we even knew them. Cause I was like, it's hilly, but it's not mountainous. There's a bunch of woods. There's a bunch of deer. There's like, you know, bodies of water, like things to live off of. And then recently, I think I told Jerry and Sarah and you in a group text, I was like, it's off my apocalypse list.

• 42:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many weird things were happening.

• 42:16Corinne Vien?

  Because it was like, a freaking meteor comes down, there's aliens seen.

• 42:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, the Bigfoot was there.

• 42:22Corinne Vien?

  There was like a freaking tornado or like windstorm that like ripped everything apart. I was like, all right, Ohio's actually maybe the number one spot that things are gonna start happening.

• 42:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess the one promising thing that we can learn incarnate from Abby's story is that La Llorona is not in Ohio.

• 42:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As far as we know.

• 42:39Corinne Vien?

  Well, yeah, I was gonna say.

• 42:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's still time.

• 42:41Corinne Vien?

  I feel like there's other stories where like, you're actually shocked at how far away from the country of origin La Llorona comes from, like that she will travel. Cause it also kind of feels like there's a connection to anyone who has like the ancestral line. Not like related to her, but just like

• 42:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just Hispanic.

• 42:58Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 42:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Origins. Well, it is interesting, too, that the night she found out she was pregnant is when La Llorona came. Because with the origin story of La Llorona, it's said that she's looking for her children.

• 43:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And willing to steal yours.

• 43:13Corinne Vien?

  I hope that she just gets a bad rap. And she's actually like

• 43:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sad.

• 43:17Corinne Vien?

  She's sad. And maybe she's a protector of children. And she comes in with like unruly energy to scare the bad people.

• 43:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm. Maybe.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  I don't know.

• 43:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just going back to your Ohio conversation, have you watched Paradise on Hulu?

• 43:30Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 43:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just started it. I really like it. It's kind of like post-apocalyptic.

• 43:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh, is it?

• 43:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I didn't, I had no idea what it was about. I really like it.

• 43:36Corinne Vien?

  Is it new? Or is it?

• 43:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Season two came out probably early of 2026.

• 43:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 43:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's two seasons. I just started season one.

• 43:43Corinne Vien?

  All right. I'll start it.

• 43:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I enjoy it.

• 43:45Corinne Vien?

  But on that note, I have to take back a comment I said about Widows Bay.

• 43:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 43:49Corinne Vien?

  Cause Widows Bay, like

• 43:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About it not being scary?

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no, no. It's scary. But I was like, oh, it's not a comedy. It's just scary. Cause there were like a couple like little lines here and there where I was like, oh, that's humorous. Episode four and on, I was like, this is, this shit is so funny.

• 44:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I think it's very funny. Yeah.

• 44:04Corinne Vien?

  It's so dark. But it's also like, I feel like that's when the characters get really comfortable in themselves. And you see all like the wild sides of them. Patricia throwing her party.

• 44:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, hilarious.

• 44:15Corinne Vien?

  I like couldn't, when she like turns, it's not spoiling anything. It's been out for months. Watch it. But she turns and she has her like headdress on.

• 44:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:23Corinne Vien?

  You had your qualms? Like, God, I freaking love her.

• 44:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why didn't you say anything?

• 44:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Um, what's your next story?

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• 46:02Corinne Vien?

  It's called, I Saw a Dragon in Honduras. Great one for a kitchen sink.

• 46:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 46:06Corinne Vien?

  Boo! Did I get you? My name is Nicholas, they/them. And whether this story constitutes as paranormal depends on who you ask. Is it a cryptid, fae, creature, folklore? I don't know.

• 46:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's still paranormal.

• 46:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I personally am someone who believes that dragons have lived or currently live on earth like any other creature. And I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this particular story. When I was 13, my church youth group went on a mission trip to Honduras. The trip was eye opening. We were in a somewhat rural environment where we mostly helped out at the local orphanage. We painted their school building. We put on a VBS. I don't know what that is.

• 46:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 46:45Corinne Vien?

  Well, thanks. Uh, so it's like, maybe it was beneficial. And I still remember some of the songs that we translated into Spanish to sing with the kids. One day, we took a drive to a local shelter for the homeless and disabled. The drive took us through some beautiful, but also terrifyingly narrow mountain roads. I grew up in Missouri and I hadn't really seen so many redstone cliffs, much less towering mountains in my life. My eyes were glued to the views the entire way there.

• 47:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sounds stunning.

• 47:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but also terrifying. Because like local tribe with such confidence, you know, that bus driver was like

• 47:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  flying.

• 47:20Corinne Vien?

  Zipping through that mountain range. It was on the way back down, as we crested the edge of one of the mountains. Then my eyes caught on to this huge form gliding down from the sky above the mountain across from us. It was very far away, but I could tell it was gliding on two symmetrical wings. Attached to a thin body with no discernible limbs. The head appeared to be maybe triangular. It kinda looked like it had horns. The whole creature was snow white. Oh, well, that takes away my theory because I was like a condor, but no. The whole creature was snow white, which I understand means, yeah, okay, it could be an airplane. Except that the proportions were completely off for an airplane. The wingspan was at least triple the size of its body.

• 48:04Corinne Vien?

  And the way that it was shaped, it seemed more like it was composed of some webbing stretched across like two or three long finger limbs or something like that.

• 48:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, we've all seen enough planes to like know what a plane is.

• 48:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you like, yeah. You know what a plane is. That can't be misidentified. Possibly like some feathered wings? I don't know. It seemed like it came to a point, like a sharp point at the end. And there was definitely an elbow and a wrist joint to the wings. I immediately started shouting at my friend to look out the window, look out right now. And the creature dropped steadily through the air until eventually it disappeared over the backside of the mountain.

• 48:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 48:37Corinne Vien?

  Which is how we knew this thing was not a bird because, oh my God, it flew back behind a mountain. So this thing had to be huge. My friend had not seen what I was pointing at because of course she hadn't. But the road led us around to the other far side of the mountain where this creature had been heading. But we saw no sign of any massive white flying creature that had reached down on the side of the mountain.

• 48:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's in its mountain cave.

• 48:59Corinne Vien?

  Yes. It's back on its nest. What we saw instead was a charred and actively burning patch of grass. Green grass, mind you. No wood or brush, nothing actively being burned, no signs of humans around. And so

• 49:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there was sign of dragon around.

• 49:15Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And so now here are my biases. I was 15 years old. I was madly obsessed with dragons at the time. And for the first 17 years of my life, everything was dragons. Dragon birthdays, dragon drawings, dragon books. How to Train Your Dragon has remained my all time favorite movie. And when I returned home from this trip, I literally went straight to my room. I found my Drake's book of dragonology, which I had, and located a section on Quetzalcoatl, which is a South American dragon that has no arms and no legs. It has feathered wings and sometimes it's described to be all white.

• 49:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's look it up.

• 49:49Corinne Vien?

  The story goes that this thing burned itself in a turquoise chest to recompose for a vile action and his spirit rose from the flames and became the North Star.

• 49:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 50:00Corinne Vien?

  Was what I saw.

• 50:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What an origin story.

• 50:02Corinne Vien?

  Quetzalcoatl finally returning to earth. Stay mystical, see you on the other side, Nicholas, they/them.

• 50:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here's like a model of it.

• 50:10Corinne Vien?

  It's interesting. I also am like, I understand, I appreciate Nicholas being like, okay, let's take into context where I was in my headspace.

• 50:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:18Corinne Vien?

  I want everything to be dragon. I want to see dragon. Did I misidentify what could be dragon?

• 50:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But he still saw something.

• 50:24Corinne Vien?

  He still saw something. And also I kind of feel like it's the same thing where certain creatures and things will expose themselves to those who

• 50:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who believe.

• 50:33Corinne Vien?

  Who believe.

• 50:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Except for aliens with me to make about me because aliens have not. And I am your biggest advocate.

• 50:41Corinne Vien?

  I'm literally your number one fan.

• 50:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but yeah, maybe.

• 50:45Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. And I feel like

• 50:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:46Corinne Vien?

  South America in this like big stretch of road and mountain region where there's like no one else around and they're just traveling in this bus.

• 50:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here's the thing with mountains, I think, I believe that literally anything can exist there that we just don't know about. Because chances are we have not explored every single inch of that mountain.

• 51:03Corinne Vien?

  No, definitely not. And there's so many different things like

• 51:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:06Corinne Vien?

  caves and rock faces. And it's just like, think about just like a freaking normal photo where they're like, can you find the snow leopard? You're like, no.

• 51:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Speaking of, I kind of look like Where's Waldo today.

• 51:17Corinne Vien?

  You're giving a little Where's Waldo vibe.

• 51:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just need a little hat.

• 51:19Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Found him.

• 51:21Corinne Vien?

  We found him.

• 51:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Found him.

• 51:23Corinne Vien?

  Finally. We've captured Waldo.

• 51:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally, he is within me. I have possessed Waldo. Um, okay, I have a story to end us on that is going to take us through quite a few different emotions.

• 51:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh no. I've already cried today.

• 51:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The origins of the crawler. It's not going to make, I don't think it will really make you cry.

• 51:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 51:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think. Hey, Gullies, my name is Nex. She, they, yes, you can share my name. I shared my story on K-Fire Stories and after doing so, I decided to email you the origin story of my attachment. It was so powerful, it scared off a psychic. So, let's begin setting the scene as best as I know how. Most of this comes from my mother's memory and what she's told me regarding the incident. At the time, I was about three to four years old and my older brother was about five to six. We lived on the ground floor of the three story apartment building in a small town in Wyoming. There was a woman who lived on the second floor apartment above us and she was very introverted. She didn't speak much with the neighbors and she basically spent all of her time in her apartment.

• 52:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And despite never seeing anyone else coming or going, my mother said that they would always hear her speaking to a man. And they would hear a deep male voice responding to her.

• 52:33Corinne Vien?

  What in worlds?

• 52:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Us kids were little, of course, and we made noise, especially during the daytime. And my mom said this lady did not like it. She would glare at my mom. And at one point, my mom noticed that some of our toys that had been outside disappeared. We now believe she stole them to try and target us kids.

• 52:52Corinne Vien?

  Oh God.

• 52:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So my mom said things started off small. Things moving from their cabinets or cupboards opened on their own. She would hear footsteps walking down the hall to our rooms while we were taking our midday naps. She would hear the voice of a man from the living room when she was in the bedroom. But then things began to escalate. My brother began to have severe night terrors. He would wake up screaming his head off in the middle of the night, talking about a creature that was climbing out from under his bed and holding him down at night so he couldn't breathe.

• 53:19Corinne Vien?

  My God.

• 53:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mind you, he's five or six years old and he's so terrified. But my mom worried that maybe it was a little bit of trauma from missing his biological father, who was an alcoholic at the time and the chaotic way in which my mother and his father split. So my mom began to take him to a child psychologist. But the night terrors did not stop. In fact, they got worse. So too did the rest of the hauntings. My mom started finding strange scratches at the door frame to mine and my brother's room. And one night, my mom said she heard me crying. And a woman who we now know is my spirit guardian, Susan, was whispering in my mother's ear. You need to wake up. Your baby needs you. My mom shot out of bed, rushed to my brother and I's room to find that I was wheezing heavily, struggling to breathe. She rushed me to the hospital where the doctors declared that I had kissing tonsils

• 54:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and needed emergency surgery to remove my tonsils as they were continuing to grow to adult size faster than my body, making it so that I couldn't breathe.

• 54:13Corinne Vien?

  It's so terrifying, but like

• 54:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I wish that this could be a spiritual intervention that everyone gets.

• 54:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, at least you have this guardian.

• 54:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's why I'm like, it's going to bring you through a lot of emotions. We got good, but we've got real scary. My mom was terrified. She had no idea how I suddenly developed it when no one else in my family ever had this. But about three months after my surgery is when my mom really hit her breaking point. She had just come home from work, the babysitter left, and my mom heard my brother screaming from his night terror again. She hurried back to the room to try to comfort my brother, but the door wouldn't open.

• 54:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh, fuck no.

• 54:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she could hear this inhuman growl from the other side while my brother was screaming. She began to slam her body against the door to try to get it open, but the door wouldn't budge. She rushed to her room to grab her phone, was both surprised and panicked to find me sleeping on her queen sized bed right on the edge about to fall off the side of the bed. She scooped me up, called her best friend, who was a gay man, we love him, he's the best gay uncle I could ask for, to come help break down the door. Even Dee, with his thick cowboy boots he always wears, couldn't get the door to budge. So my mom went to call 911 when suddenly the door popped open. My brother was still screaming and crying and he had scratches and bruises down his arms and legs, along with deep scratch marks that led under the bed. Remember how he said this creature crawled out from under the bed?

• 55:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My mom took both of us and fled to my grandpa's house for the night and refused to ever enter that apartment again. My uncle helped her move everything out. And my mom does not understand how I got to her bed and out of the room. That babysitter was a family friend who never would have left me in her bed in a place where I could potentially gotten hurt. And I was too small to open doors, let alone climb up into my mom's bed without help.

• 55:53Corinne Vien?

  It's because the other spirit, the guardian, was grabbing her and rushing her out.

• 55:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:58Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, I have chills. This is like so terrifying. And I keep thinking, like, what would I do in this situation? And it's, it's hard because it's like, I want to fight the demon, but is that what the, is that what it wants?

• 56:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think moving out is the right thing to do.

• 56:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Later on, my mom asked the family of another family who lived on the top floor, so I think the third floor, if they ever experienced any odd happenings, as they lived there for years before my mom and I and my brother moved in. The family said they didn't experience anything until the woman who moved into the second floor moved in. Like my mom.

• 56:29Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 56:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It started off small. Scratches that made her paranoid that they had pests. Sounds of people walking in voices. Family was worried that she was getting dementia, but her memory didn't seem to fade.

• 56:39Corinne Vien?

  And this is the woman that was stealing the toys on the second floor?

• 56:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The one who moved in. But so there was a third family who lived up top, who's telling.

• 56:46Corinne Vien?

  And they started experiencing stuff when?

• 56:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When the second floor woman moved in.

• 56:49Corinne Vien?

  Complainer, toy stealing, neighbor moved in.

• 56:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One of the women on the third floor's daughters moved in with her a few months before they decided to move her into a nursing home. That was when things were getting really bad for my mom and for us. They began to see a large shadow figure looming in doorways. And the woman that my mom was in contact with, who saw everything, stated that apparently the same night my mother left with my brother and I, just hours before that, they had found blood dripping from the walls and in a panic called a priest to come bless the apartment. After that blessing, this thing did not go away and the older lady's health began to decline. The older lady on the third floor.

• 57:25Corinne Vien?

  I just really want the blood to be tested.

• 57:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 57:28Corinne Vien?

  There's only a few cases that we've heard of this happening.

• 57:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The bleeding house in?

• 57:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 57:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Atlanta.

• 57:33Corinne Vien?

  Like, like, what is it?

• 57:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. So tragically, this woman from the third floor moved to a nursing home where she died a year later. After her death, the landlord apparently reported to them, as he was a family friend of theirs, that he evicted the woman in the second floor apartment after the new tenants in the basement apartment began to report blood dripping from their walls too. And during an inspection, he found that this woman on the second floor had carved demonic sigils into the floorboards and attempted to cover them up with a rug. But when he flipped it over, it revealed the sigil. He cited property damage as his reasons for eviction and spent two years trying to renovate and fix that second floor apartment. But workers reported tools going missing, constant workplace accidents,

• 58:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and eventually the entire construction crew he hired refused to return. So he sold the entire apartment.

• 58:22Corinne Vien?

  And it's just an apartment. It's not like his giant house to renovate.

• 58:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's like the, yes, they were renovating.

• 58:27Corinne Vien?

  But like, just the second floor that he was trying to fix.

• 58:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eventually, he sold the entire apartment building. Then they tore.

• 58:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. What a like landlord horror story too.

• 58:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, the company that he sold it to ended up tearing the whole building down. I'm not sure what it is now, but I know that whatever entities or demons that woman summoned, two of them stayed with me and my brother our whole lives. Mine is what we call the crawler and my brother's is a mimic entity, which I can share more experiences about later. Love your podcast. I'm so happy to get to join you on Campfire Stories and hope to see you on the other side next.

• 59:01Corinne Vien?

  Damn. I am glad that the landlord, I mean, I know it probably helps that he was friends with some of the tenants, but like that he was able to take action, one. And two, like just generally believe what was going on and know who the cause of it was. Like enough to do like a little investigation.

• 59:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dripping down. It's not even dripping down because it was dripping. The third floor was experiencing blood dripping down their walls. So it's not like it's coming from the second floor.

• 59:31Corinne Vien?

  Like, what do you even say? You're like, there's like, it looks like blood. I don't know, like rust colored liquid coming down?

• 59:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do not know.

• 59:37Corinne Vien?

  That is absolutely horrifying.

• 59:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a fun kitchen sink. I know. I have 340 emails in my folder to pick from.

• 59:45Corinne Vien?

  I mean, we, that's just like how we used to do encounters. It was just like, anything goes. And then we realized after like two years that we kept accidentally, unplanned, making themes.

• 59:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And a theme is always fun.

• 59:56Corinne Vien?

  A theme is always fun.

• 59:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but it's also always fun to mix it up once in a while.

• 1:00:00Corinne Vien?

  So anything goes. Send us your emails with your ghost stories, your paranormal encounters, your dragon sightings at [email protected].

• 1:00:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you can join us on Patreon if you want episodes one week early and ad free. Plus Campfire Stories, which is every week where you can come join us live to share your ghost stories, but is always available for replay as well. We also have witch class, book club, stickers, so many other like amazing benefits on Patreon. You can watch us on YouTube. Please rate and review us wherever you listen. And shout out to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan.

• 1:00:35Corinne Vien?

  Thanks, Jamie.

• 1:00:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 1:00:36Corinne Vien?

  And we will. See you on the other side.

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