Hoovies Garage Joins! New McLaren SUV, Ford Lightning Canceled & CarMax Collapse?

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• 1:00Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Nick. Hoovy's here today.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  I'm here.

• 1:07Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know where Filippo and Ken are, but we got Nick and we got Hoovy. This is an A-minus lineup and I'm excited. And we're gonna start by talking about the news. Start with our first news story, please. I want your take on all these news stories. The new Kia Telluride. Tell us what you think.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  I don't really know anything about the old Kia Telluride, other than your video that I watched five years ago, but are people gonna pay $10 over MSRP for this Telluride?

• 1:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think they will.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:35Doug DeMuro?

  People are still paying over for Toyota Siennas. Are you aware of that? That's still happening to this day. Over sticker for Toyota Siennas. You want a Sienna Woodland? Good luck. New Tellurides here. What do you think?

• 1:48Speaker 03

  It's a looker. I agree with your take that it looks very Range Rover from the rear. I think as someone who lives in the suburbs and has kids in car pools, this is gonna be hot. I do think there will be over sticker. There will be a lot of demand. The number one question I get, and I'm sure you get too, is what's the best vehicle that has three rows? It is really, unless you have 100 grand plus someone. An EV, which the R1S is the right answer. If you want gas and you want not 100 grand, this is the answer.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 2:16Speaker 03

  It just is.

• 2:16Speaker 04

  I'm a Palisade man, though.

• 2:17Doug DeMuro?

  I, you know what? It doesn't, to me, it doesn't matter. And it's actually funny because the Kia people brought the Telluride here and they were going all these ways that they're different, all these ways Telluride's better. And like to consumers, they're pretty similar. I get that question, what's the best three row? I have put 10 of my friends into Palisades or Tellurides.

• 2:36Doug DeMuro?

  I love the new Explorer is great. The new Pathfinder is surprisingly good, actually. I'm kind of off the Highlander and the Pilot, believe it or not. I think they've fallen a little bit behind in terms of tech, but everybody loves how this looks.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Don't you feel like all of those vehicles are falling short, vehicles? Like you wanted the Telluride, but you settled with like a Pilot because it was out of stock or five grand over sticker.

• 2:56Doug DeMuro?

  What they've done that's especially impressive is the design of this car.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone else was, wanted to make kind of an off-roady looking thing. You know, the G-Wagon's hot and the Raptor's hot and off-roading is big, the 4Runner. And everybody else like wanted to do it. And so they did like little touches and Kia just went and made the car look boxy.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Right, the Hyundai one, they just put red tow hooks on it.

• 3:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  The Palisade and it looks odd.

• 3:18Doug DeMuro?

  The Palisade isn't as, right, this works, this kills.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  I think, I think they did a good job facelifting this without making it too polarizing. I think the EV9 is kind of hain, but the EV9 warmed us up so that this didn't become too polarizing. Again, like a reverse halo car, so.

• 3:31Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  Nailed it.

• 3:33Doug DeMuro?

  And what kind of three row SUVs people driving in Wichita?

• 3:36Speaker 04

  05 Cadillac Escalons.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say GMTs, baby.

• 3:39Doug DeMuro?

  Heck yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  GMT800 still everywhere, falling apart, but won't die.

• 3:43Doug DeMuro?

  That's still true here. I'm astonished by how many of the, not that, that body style and the body style after that, the one that came out in 07. I am astonished by how many of those are still running around. It's funny because those came from an era when people still had the perception that American cars were unreliable, which turned out to be completely false about those cars in particular.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:00Doug DeMuro?

  They are falling apart, like the materials are not that good, but you can keep them running and.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  Rust is happening, the interior looks horrible, the paint's falling off, but the drivetrain's still going up until they did the cylinder deactivation and stuff. They're, they're.

• 4:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, was that the problem?

• 4:12Speaker 04

  That was the, that was the thing, the active fuel management kind of killed that.

• 4:15Doug DeMuro?

  You didn't want to deactivate the cylinders, you wanted to keep the cylinders active.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  This is America. Gas, yep.

• 4:20Doug DeMuro?

  You want a guzzle? Next, so anyway, new Telluride, I just did the review, it's up. You should go watch it or not.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  It looks nice, and the inside too, right? Like, good features?

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, they said that in the spring it's coming out. And I just think, just looking at it in person, I was astonished. I love the old one, and this one is even cooler. I am not a big fan of the little black things over the wheel arches, which I got a lot of comments about. They do not have a purpose, they are purely cosmetic, I think they're weird. But I also think they're only on the X Pro. I think the non-X Pro models don't have them. You know what else is weird? Just the name X Pro as a trim level. Don't you think when you think X Pro, you think of an ex-professional?

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, like someone who played tennis with.

• 4:58Doug DeMuro?

  Junior, yes, Roger Federer is an X Pro.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  And I was thinking that's like an extra tier on OnlyFans, you know, or something, you know?

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like how you think.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Oh, boy. Hubie and I together is gonna be a disaster for the editors.

• 5:10Doug DeMuro?

  Give us our next news story, please.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  McLaren, McLaren announced a roadmap of upcoming vehicles, including a new halo car that's gonna be 900 horsepower, which, I guess with EVs, 900 doesn't really sound like a headline to me at all, but they're gonna have a new really fast car that presumably will look like all of their other lineup.

• 5:30Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  And then they will have an SUV, and the SUV is rumored to be like a Cayenne turbo competitor in terms of size, so not like a cute little ute, but like a big boy SUV that you can, you know, bring all your finance bros together with, I guess.

• 5:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, sculpted and muscular with presence.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  This is a rendering, it is not from McLaren, so who knows?

• 5:49Doug DeMuro?

  This is not what it's gonna look like.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  It looks good, whoever photoshopped it or AI did.

• 5:53Doug DeMuro?

  This is what it should look like.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 5:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's, uh...

• 5:56Speaker 03

  It's a no-brainer, because the Urus sells so well.

• 5:59Doug DeMuro?

  It does.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Among that crowd, and those are the type of people who also buy McLarens.

• 6:03Doug DeMuro?

  Some of the rivals do not sell that well. The DBX has been a hard sell since the day it came out. Have you ever thought about a used DBX?

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:09Doug DeMuro?

  Are they under 100 yet?

• 6:10Speaker 04

  No, but when that happens, I'm in.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Gotta be close.

• 6:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty cool.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, it needs to have the V8, or it's gonna be a failure. If they're like, eh, well, we're gonna do it with the not...

• 6:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be a plug-in hybrid. I mean, I don't know if it'll be a V8 or not.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  That'll be a failure.

• 6:24Doug DeMuro?

  These are all plug-in hybrids. You can't launch one of these and not have it be a plug-in hybrid.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  Okay, it'll be a failure then.

• 6:29Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue that an SUV from McLaren would be a failure anyway, just on its face. Have you seen what's happened with the Lotus SUV?

• 6:36Speaker 04

  No.

• 6:36Doug DeMuro?

  Lotus, you know about this. Lotus launched an SUV called the Electra, but it's electric and they build it in China, and so it has a huge tariff and it's like $250,000 and nobody's purchased one. You're not interested in the Lotus?

• 6:46Speaker 04

  Never seen one, no.

• 6:47Doug DeMuro?

  No, no one has.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  They don't exist.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  Did you review one?

• 6:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  I didn't watch that video, I'm sorry.

• 6:54Doug DeMuro?

  It was good!

• 6:55Speaker 04

  I skipped that one.

• 6:55Doug DeMuro?

  That one, unlike some of the others, and I'm not gonna name names, that one was pretty good.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  I apologize.

• 7:01Doug DeMuro?

  Um, McLaren SUV. As a McLaren owner...

• 7:05Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  And a former...

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:07Doug DeMuro?

  You've had a couple. You had an MP4, right?

• 7:09Speaker 04

  MP4 12C, the SLR McLaren, which you have now, so we're looking at it right now, just trying not to cry my eyes out.

• 7:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  I love the SLR.

• 7:17Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think about this new direction, a plug-in hybrid SUV?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  Eh.

• 7:23Doug DeMuro?

  I know.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  They gotta do it. Everybody's gotta do it, right?

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Every vehicle after 2008's dead to me.

• 7:29Doug DeMuro?

  He hasn't paid attention in cars since 08.

• 7:31Speaker 04

  It's, I'm similar, but I try.

• 7:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, anyway, I think it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see where it's priced and all that stuff. You know, the Purosangue gives these automakers, and the Urus gives these automakers hope that they can get a lot of money out of these cars, but in some cases, they've been hard sells.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore.

• 7:50Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  There's no purist whatever for McLaren.

• 7:53Doug DeMuro?

  It'll certainly be interesting to see how McLaren tries to translate its design language, which is very swoopy, mid-engine, exotic car, into an SUV. My, I still believe it did not translate well for Lamborghini. I still think the Urus is an ugly car. I think it's been ugly since the day it came out. Uh, so this will be...

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Well, the Cardinal...

• 8:08Doug DeMuro?

  You don't agree? You like the Urus?

• 8:09Speaker 04

  No.

• 8:10Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  The Cardinal sin everyone does is they just try to take their car and lift it, and it just, the proportions don't work. You gotta start clean slate.

• 8:18Doug DeMuro?

  That has never looked good, and everyone's tried it.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  955 Cayenne?

• 8:22Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche tried it, the first Cayenne, which in years' sense has kind of become well-regarded, but I was there when it launched.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Trash.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  And I remember people hated how that looked. And the Cullinan, they tried to do the same thing, which was a little odd, and the Urus was, it just didn't go well.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  Entega works.

• 8:36Doug DeMuro?

  Entega works, yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  You had one of those too, right?

• 8:39Speaker 04

  I did, yes.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  How did that go?

• 8:40Doug DeMuro?

  You had a 12?

• 8:41Speaker 04

  I had a 12, yeah. It was good.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  Was it reliable?

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, never had a problem.

• 8:45Doug DeMuro?

  What did you buy it and sell it for?

• 8:47Speaker 04

  It's been years now, so four or five years ago, I bought it for a little over a hundred and sold it for, I think, low eighties.

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 8:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I want that car. I want a Bentley so bad. But he's had this Bentley Arnage that's been the worst car any of us ever.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  That's different though. That was like pre Volkswagen Audi.

• 9:05Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know that the addition of Volkswagen Audi makes me feel more confident. I had a B5.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  It helps, yeah.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  My 2006 has been good for almost three years now. Eight thousand miles.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  2006 Flying Spur?

• 9:19Speaker 04

  No, it's not a Flying Spur. It's a 20 GT. Yeah.

• 9:22Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm. I had a B5, lot of issues. Frequently when I had my B5, A4, you'd drive along.

• 9:28Speaker 03

  You're talking about a B5. This is 20 years ago.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  Drive along. Yeah, but the Bentayga's like 15 years ago.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  No, that's light years apart.

• 9:36Doug DeMuro?

  You drive along and sometimes the check engine light would come on, not only would it come on and start flashing, which if you look in the owner's manual, it says, immediately turn off the car and drive to the dealership, flashing, terrified. You turn the car off, you turn it back on, no check engine light at all. That was the level of quality that my B5 A4.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  That's a great anecdote, you know. I'm hesitant to buy a Ford because my papa, who served in World War II for one year, he was actually, I found out, stationed in New York City during World War II.

• 10:03Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, World War II vessel.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Very, very high risk situation.

• 10:06Doug DeMuro?

  He had a Ford, he had a Model T problem.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  A Model T and it wouldn't start sometimes, so the Explorer is just off the list.

• 10:11Doug DeMuro?

  You're missing the point.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  Am I? I think I'm nailing it.

• 10:14Doug DeMuro?

  Volkswagen Audi does not inject reliability, except to Lamborghini.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  They do compared to an Arnage. If your baseline is that low, literally anyone can inject.

• 10:24Speaker 04

  I have an unfixable silver Saraf right now. It is done.

• 10:29Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna do with it?

• 10:30Speaker 04

  I pushed it off a cliff.

• 10:31Doug DeMuro?

  Have you thought about bearing it?

• 10:33Speaker 04

  That's a thought.

• 10:33Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't you get some trouble for bearing it?

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, they loved it when I buried cars 10 years ago. And now, no, I can't. So it's, I had an X6M that I dug a hole and buried it because it had the wrong engine in it. Somebody like got a non-M engine to get this thing to run in it.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  So great.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  And then sold it at a dealer auction. It shows up like, what the hell? And like trying to get like hammering in these lines and fittings to fit. And they're just leaking everywhere. It was a mess. So I was like, okay, dig a hole, bury it. That's my, that's my out to get YouTube videos out of it. Furious. Like that car could have fed all the starving kids in Africa.

• 11:07Doug DeMuro?

  Who may ask, is that, are you referring to the audience?

• 11:09Speaker 04

  The audience, yes.

• 11:10Doug DeMuro?

  The audience loved it when he buried cars 10 years ago. The EPA, however, their stance on this whole thing is unchanged.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  It's my land.

• 11:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. They can't tell me what to do with my land in Kansas. Or like jumping the Land Rover Evoque. I thought nobody was going to care about that.

• 11:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  Oh, they're so mad.

• 11:28Doug DeMuro?

  Every time you destroy a car on YouTube, you get an enormous amount of hate because you took a car away from a, from needy children. There were needy children, hungry children who could have eaten the car. And, and now they cannot eat the car.

• 11:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Even though it would have massive liability for anyone to get, just to give that car. Yeah.

• 11:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, to sell some of these cars. I destroyed an Allroad that was already completely destroyed and I still get hate to this day. And I, then I tell people about my B5. Uh, next story. Ah, yes, something.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  Spiker is back or planning a comeback. The original founder bought back all the intellectual property. Obviously there's that dude in the Netherlands that's like flying around to Ed Bullion's garage and fixing them himself. So there, the band is back together and there's hope for Spiker. I have to say with all the BS hypercar brands that are just, you know, like AI generated, whatever. Spiker is one of my favorites. Like I, I, I think of Spiker personally as cooler than Koenigsegg or Pagani. In terms of just like, it's pre 2008, it's my jam.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  How many times has it failed?

• 12:32Doug DeMuro?

  A couple, a couple.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  So it's, it's on there like Fisker, you know, it comes back and.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  It's like, it's like the B5 Audi. You just turn it off and turn it back on.

• 12:39Doug DeMuro?

  I will say though, it has failed a few times. The cars were cheap. The cars have, there's become in the last five years, a real ground swell of interest around the cars. The cars are now, a regular C, it's now a 350 car. And when the cars become valuable, this happened with Bugatti, honestly.

• 12:57Doug DeMuro?

  The name starts to become valuable again and the revival of the name becomes appealing again. And you could possibly see something coming out of this. It'd be cool.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  I drove that Bullions. It was neat. I'd have a gated R8 over it.

• 13:12Doug DeMuro?

  You'd have a gated R8 over the Spiker?

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, if they were worth the same amount of money, of course, but yeah.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  What?

• 13:18Doug DeMuro?

  Why?

• 13:19Speaker 03

  It is a gated R8, but a much nicer, fancier version.

• 13:23Doug DeMuro?

  Beautiful detail work and you don't like the detail. You want plastic.

• 13:26Speaker 04

  The quality really, it wasn't, it didn't blow my mind in person. Like I built it in my head and I saw it in person, I was like.

• 13:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's all this machine finished stuff on the dash, this beautiful leather, the open linkage, the, the propeller steering wheel. You get in that and you think, I really want plastic climate controls.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  It's surface level, kind of just like, like gimmicks, I feel like.

• 13:46Doug DeMuro?

  What, you, you wanted like everything to be cast iron under the skin? Okay, well, it's not a gullwing, for God's sake. It's a, it's a Spiker.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  But it's like someone, like, let's, let's put all this stuff on the surface to make it seem like it's a classic car. And it's, it's just, it didn't, it didn't work for me.

• 14:02Doug DeMuro?

  There is a little bit of Excalibur to it.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:05Doug DeMuro?

  Where it's like, there is some, some tricking, you think it's vintage, which I don't love. Like a vintage airplane is what they're going for.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 14:13Doug DeMuro?

  When really what we want is to march forward.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  But like, like Singer makes a really beautiful handmade looking stuff, but they don't make it look like it's 1942.

• 14:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but still, the Spiker is cool. It's, it looks cool on the outside.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  I'm just, I'm just saying.

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  You'd rather have an R8. You'd rather have an R8.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  One of the worst hot takes ever presented on the pod.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  All right, well.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  That's why we, that's why we love you.

• 14:38Doug DeMuro?

  So he doesn't want Spiker to return.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness.

• 14:40Doug DeMuro?

  He's sitting here thinking, I hope to God this doesn't happen. Do you know that Spiker at one point made an SUV?

• 14:46Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:47Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  The pecking to Paris?

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Oh, you think I'm going to be able to figure out how to do this?

• 14:51Doug DeMuro?

  That's such a good point. How do we, oh, he's going back through the.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  Oh no, oh no. Okay.

• 14:56Doug DeMuro?

  I think escape enhance.

• 14:59Doug DeMuro?

  All right, you know, we don't have to do- Okay. Oh, wow. Here, like, I did it.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  If I-

• 15:02Doug DeMuro?

  Pecking to Paris.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  If I pull it up on my phone and like, hold it up really close to the-

• 15:05Doug DeMuro?

  To Paris. No, Pecking to Paris is the name of a ri- Pecking is the name of a- SUV. Okay, well, that's better. Images. Look at that. You know about this? Oh, geez.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Hot boy.

• 15:14Doug DeMuro?

  Talk about a bad, bad example- Oh, my good lord. Nick, talk about a bad example of trying to take the car design and making it larger. That existed and still exists. Someone owns it. I would love to buy that. I would pay what that's worth- There you go, that's a better word. -to buy that, which is, you know, 45.

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• 16:32Doug DeMuro?

  All right, give us our next news story, please. Yes, did you, Ford Lightning owner Tyler Hoover, it's good that you're here. Did you read this week, the Wall Street Journal reported?

• 16:42Speaker 03

  It's, it's because of his viral videos and all of the Infowars-type media establishment.

• 16:47Doug DeMuro?

  I did not think that, that that was going to go as crazy as it was. You were like on Newsmax and stuff. I was everywhere, from Sean Hannity, Newsmax, uh, yeah, what was that one guy, the crazy guy?

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Alex Jones, yeah.

• 16:58Doug DeMuro?

  The F-150 Lightning, um-

• 17:02Doug DeMuro?

  Wall Street Journal reported this week that Ford is likely going to cancel it. Ford has not communicated this, they have not confirmed this, but you know, a story like that at Wall Street Journal is pretty well sourced. They also reported, I don't remember the exact numbers, but they sold last month something like 100,000 F-150s, of which 1,300 were like, I mean, it is like, and of course, when you think about, it's not like a special edition that's cosmetic.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:28Doug DeMuro?

  There was a lot of development that went into this truck.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, you would think that they could keep it going since it's just on the F-150 platform, but it must be different enough to be, to get rid of it.

• 17:38Doug DeMuro?

  And I think the cost to make them, they're selling 1,300.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Because like the Chevys are on their own EV platform with the Hummers and everything else, so they have a big platform, but these are just electric F-150s.

• 17:50Doug DeMuro?

  My guess is that they're going to continue making it until there's some sort of F-150 facelift and then they're not going to bother doing a Lightning.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Well, the Maverick they've talked about, where it's like the under 30 grand electric Maverick is going to nuke those, because that's where all the buyers are going to go, right?

• 18:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. You know, the majority of Mavericks I see are hybrids. And honestly, I think the use case is clearly there for a hybrid truck and a Maverick hybrid. People who are buying that already want sort of like an in-town fuel economy, fuel efficient kind of thing, and it works great for that. But boy, the electric truck didn't last, did it?

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Hoovey and I are into the F-650 on the site right now. That's more our jam.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that was, that was an interesting chapter in my YouTube history, going viral for some, yeah, crazy reasons. Because I bought it and I put a Model A pickup truck on a trailer, aluminum trailer, very light, and just tried to tow it 30 or 40 miles up and back on a full battery, and it's in winter time. It almost didn't make it, not even 100 miles, towing a very light load. And I just made a video talking about it and saying, this doesn't make any sense for any kind of use for anybody using a truck.

• 18:54Doug DeMuro?

  I remember, this is a big.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  The amount of news coverage that got.

• 18:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  I was everywhere.

• 19:00Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have any regrets about the role you played in killing the American automobile industry?

• 19:07Speaker 04

  It was, I think they did a good job themselves. But yeah, getting, getting emails from the higher ups at Ford and asking me, you know, like, they didn't ask me to take down the video and things and.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, it was true. Like, ultimately, it was the truth.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Well, somewhat, but then Alex Jones got ahold of it. And like, he's just reacting to it live as he's watching it. Clearly hadn't watched the video before. So he's looking at it, I'm driving in my neighborhood, and he goes, "See, it won't go over 20 miles an hour." And then, and then, you know, and then just like.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  The speed limit.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  Like, and then, "Look, it can't even go." Like, my, I had, my first car is a Volkswagen Beetle, and it could do circles around this thing, and, "No, the thing's fast." So, you know, I do that criticism about it, and about Alex Jones not, not getting this right, and, and, and the defenders, not to go political, but I mean, I am still.

• 19:51Doug DeMuro?

  Alex Jones has defenders? Even to this day?

• 19:54Speaker 04

  You're gonna, you're gonna get it in the comments, where they're gonna say, "He was right about everything." He's right about everything. And that, like, they, they get so angry at me for.

• 20:03Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  For saying he was wrong on, "I drove the car, I know what happened." I was, I was there.

• 20:08Doug DeMuro?

  I thought the whole Sandy Hook thing would have settled all that, about Alex Jones.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  It's funny, because all of this is common knowledge now. EVs lose their range in the cold, and they don't tow well. Like, that's not controversial, but at the time.

• 20:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was common knowledge at the time, but.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Not on that level.

• 20:22Doug DeMuro?

  It was, it was, the video made it simple and clear enough. "Hey, here's a guy towing in a, in a, you know, in Kansas." Like, this isn't some trick, there's nothing trickery, this is just a dude. And I do think that was, that was interesting, and honestly, I think, I don't know that video necessarily had a huge role, but the, the facts that came out of that video are a real reason why this truck has not been successful.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it's, the cold weather's especially bad on these, because they don't do any kind of battery heating with them.

• 20:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  So then, that, that's, that's the big difference with Tesla, where they're, they're still a big hit in the cold, but just not as bad. And so, these are just atrocious when it gets cold out.

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not surprised that.

• 21:28Doug DeMuro?

  This is happening. This is getting canceled. It seems like a niche use case. Even in California, I don't see that many of them. It's a shame, though, because I think it was a really well engineered, well designed vehicle. They were super excited about it when it was first coming out. And here was Ford, like, not doing some stupid EV that looks like an egg, like so many of the early EVs, but like actually creating a full sized truck that was a truck. And this also ties into other EV news. Give us the Maybach information.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  And it's not really just Maybach, but Mercedes is slashing the prices across the board of their EVs. Much like the Lightning, after the incentives ended, the sales plummeted. There's a lot of reasons for that, and I think a lot of those sales has got pulled forward. However, you can get 50 grand off on a Maybach EQS.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  A brand new, so they're $100,000 new. I had one that was a 109 sticker that I bought for 34. It was a 2022. EQS.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  These are like this, the example that I saw was a $200,000 sticker.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Oh, for like an AMG or a Maybach?

• 22:26Doug DeMuro?

  A Maybach. Maybach EQS, which has been a very hard car to sell. From what I've heard from my friends at Mercedes Benz dealerships, possibly the hardest new Mercedes Benz at all to sell. They're saying $50,000 coming back on a $50,000 discount if you get a 25.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Well, it seems like it's one of the few cars where everybody's rolling with 20 or 30 grand negative equity and they can hide it in those cars. So that's the only way they're moving them, I think, currently.

• 22:49Doug DeMuro?

  But talk about negative equity. You roll it, you roll in negative equity like that?

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 22:54Doug DeMuro?

  Your next person said it better be a cruise liner or something.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  You get gap insurance and you point it towards a tree. And that, that, well, that is actual dealership advice that, you know, we'd like, hey, you got gap insurance? Just aim for the front right of the car. Put it in. Yeah, that's.

• 23:12Doug DeMuro?

  I used to tell people that down at Tyler Hoover Chrysler Dodge Jeep.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  Oh, you know, but yeah, I was not impressed with the fit and finish on the EQS. And I especially compared to the S-Class, and it was the same price as the S-Class. And they're so different as far as the quality is, like the door creaking and just that kind of stuff.

• 23:32Doug DeMuro?

  I was like the only EQS defender, and I still am. I think they drive amazingly. They are so comfortable.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  They drive great. Do you want, you want to hear this? Every time, like this cracking, poppy noise every time you bump.

• 23:42Doug DeMuro?

  The press vehicle that Mercedes Benz sent to me, which I'm sure was very representative of the overall market, completely fine. No problems at all in that car. And, and, and my review was not aided by, at all by the fact that they put a nice little box of chocolates in the pen.

• 23:59Doug DeMuro?

  No, I loved that car and I liked it a lot when it was new, although it seemed like a bad value at the time, but as a used car, I would put up with a lot of creaking in the door for $34,000, three-year-old car.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  When I bought it and I was researching the car to see what other people had said about it, I watched your video and I think you said, "This is gonna be a big hit for Mercedes," or something like that. You were calling it out like, "This is a game changer here."

• 24:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, listen, it felt like it was going to be a game changer, in part because I reviewed the car on Halloween and the infotainment graphics all changed to like pumpkins and things.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  Oh, they got you on there.

• 24:30Doug DeMuro?

  I was like, "They've done it. They've got it." Unfortunately, that distracted me from the fact that it was a $130,000 electric car that nobody wanted. It was tough to... The pumpkins, it was the... They had jack-o'-lanterns on them. It was very... Anyway, I'm sorry.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  Smart.

• 24:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next news story, please. Jeep 392 is coming back. I'm not sure that it went away.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  It took a year off.

• 24:54Doug DeMuro?

  But, the big news is that there's two pieces of big news. Number one is, it's coming back at an $82,000 sticker price. I looked this up, and the final, the last year that it was in production, it was a $102 sticker price. They dropped the sticker price by $20,000, which will surely alienate a wide variety of people who paid 100 grand over the last couple of years.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:11Doug DeMuro?

  And...

• 25:12Speaker 04

  They were discounting them pretty heavily, though, at the end.

• 25:15Doug DeMuro?

  They are going to release, this is true, they are going to release one new special edition Jeep every month throughout this year.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Month?

• 25:22Doug DeMuro?

  Every month. They're calling it like 12 for 12, and on the 12th of every month, a new special edition will come out.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  So this is what's gonna fix Jeep?

• 25:30Doug DeMuro?

  This is Chrysler. Chrysler was going EV, they were doing all this stuff, then they axed that, the CEO's gone, and they're like, "Let's go back to what we do best: big engines and special editions."

• 25:40Speaker 04

  So like a restaurant having their special. That's their strategy now for selling cars. Like, "Okay, we got goulash. We've got pecking duck."

• 25:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That's what we got this month. Anyway.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  I like how Toyota does it, where you get a special color every year for the TRD Pros. That's kinda neat, as you can tell, but every month, even the hardcore Jeep people won't be able to be like, "Oh, that's a February car."

• 26:04Speaker 04

  A pumpkin spice, yeah.

• 26:05Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna say something.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Definitely gotta do pumpkin.

• 26:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna say something that is gonna surprise you, and maybe you a little bit, but especially you, and I'm gonna say it and then we're gonna move on. There are times where I have considered a G500 Cabriolet departure and a Wrangler 392 arrival. There are times when it has entered my mind.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  I think they're cool as hell, but 100, no. 80?

• 26:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'd get a used one.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  That's still a lot. I mean, a Wrangler. It's deep down, it's a Wrangler. If you think the EQS had bad fit and finish and...

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question, since you're stuck in 08? What do you think a Wrangler costs? 16? 14?

• 26:43Speaker 03

  They're affordable. They're gettable.

• 26:45Doug DeMuro?

  Come at me from the TJ days, Nick. A Wrangler's like 50, base.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  I mean, kids in my high school had them. You did a two-inch body lift and you put some 33s on it.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  It's like the YJ. I don't think the quality's that bad. They're just basic. They're old-school off-roaders still. They kept to their core. It's great. My pal has one. He locks his...

• 27:02Doug DeMuro?

  Is that true?

• 27:03Speaker 04

  392, yeah, Wrangler.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  They do sound good.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  They sound great.

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is your grandfather?

• 27:07Speaker 04

  My pal, my dad.

• 27:09Doug DeMuro?

  Your actual dad has a Wrangler, too?

• 27:11Speaker 04

  My faja.

• 27:11Doug DeMuro?

  What else does he have? Okay.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  In the middle, in the Midwest, we don't use mom and dad and grandma and grandpa. We say papa, pa, ma.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  Because I call you my daddy.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  And then, of course.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Hi, Dad.

• 27:22Doug DeMuro?

  Steve.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Steve, sometimes. And Karen.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  That's two years younger than my daddy.

• 27:26Doug DeMuro?

  You haven't done that in a while.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Daddy?

• 27:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  I'm sorry. Do you miss it?

• 27:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, but I, you know what I miss about it? Not that weird voice. Daddy. But what I miss is people coming up to me at car events and saying, "It's Daddy Doug. You're Tyler Hoover's daddy." I miss that, damn it.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Well...

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think you've spread your wings now and you don't need me anymore?

• 27:48Speaker 04

  I think, I think I have created my own little universe in Kansas. And you have here with Cars and Bids and all of your people that, that are your daddy to them now.

• 27:59Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  So I feel like, I feel like...

• 28:01Speaker 03

  What he's saying is someone else, you know, maybe someone named after a month between March and, and June, calls him daddy, and so there he doesn't want to confuse him.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Kenan doesn't call you daddy.

• 28:11Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 28:14Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, move on to the next news story.

• 28:17Doug DeMuro?

  CarMax is apparently failing, doing poorly, things are down. Year-to-date, the stock is down 58%. Hoovy, take us through, give us a CarMax memory. You worked there. I, I, I'm a, I love CarMax dearly. Of course, what my, began in this industry by exploiting CarMax's used car warranty.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Do you remember who bought CarMax 20-plus years ago?

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  All I remember is that Circuit City founded CarMax.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:43Doug DeMuro?

  They were the creator.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  They created it, yes. Yeah, well, they sort of made it off, basically created it, but sort of bought into it, yes. It's like some Wayne Hizinga stuff.

• 28:51Doug DeMuro?

  It was like that. Circuit City commissioned a consulting company to find out where there were market holes.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 28:56Doug DeMuro?

  And the consulting, unrelated to Circuit City.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  A consulting company actually adding value?

• 28:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 29:00Doug DeMuro?

  And the, more value than Circuit City even had.

• 29:03Speaker 04

  So Circuit City at their peak started CarMax.

• 29:06Doug DeMuro?

  And, and so.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Wild.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. All this is true. And, and the consulting company said there are not nationally recognized chain used car dealers where people have like a, like a, like a belief in their quality. You know, it was all spotty and so they launched it.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  My, my first job in the car business was at CarMax, opening in Kansas in 2006. Wow.

• 29:27Doug DeMuro?

  The initial plan, because it actually started.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Great time to be in car sales.

• 29:31Doug DeMuro?

  It started in the 90s. The initial plan for CarMax was to only roll out in the southern states because they could prevent a lot of the rust and other issues that happen. And eventually, of course, it became national. I think it even went, eventually went to Canada. But for a long time, they were only in kind of the, the sort of southern rim, the, the sunbelt of America, if you will. And then Hoovy was there selling cars.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  I was, yeah. My first car ever sold was a Trailblazer.

• 29:53Doug DeMuro?

  What was the best car you ever sold at CarMax?

• 29:56Speaker 04

  You know, I, I don't think there ever was really a good one. I mean, there was some high-end trucks and things, but they didn't have really cool oddball stuff that they occasionally do now, especially in Kansas.

• 30:06Doug DeMuro?

  CarMax.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I, I didn't make very much money there because there's only $200 fixed commission a car. There was no haggle. People in Kansas hated no haggling. So I left, oh, maybe six months in and went over to a Chevy Cadillac BMW store and made 1,500 bucks on my first car because the old seven Chevys had just come out.

• 30:22Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the full-size, the, the.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  The full-size.

• 30:23Doug DeMuro?

  Silverado and all.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  So all that, and that was hot. The Escalade revised everything, so it was a hot time to be at a Chevy store and, and did much better there.

• 30:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's a cool idea, though.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  Get a nice warranty. Pick up a warranty on that electric BMW.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Why are they struggling? I would think this would be a great time to be CarMax.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  Why would you think that?

• 30:42Speaker 03

  All the new cars suck. No one wants them. They're all overpriced. Get a used car with a warranty.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  It's not gonna work because they're still having to overpay to get inventory. There's very few

• 30:53Speaker 03

  Is that it? I mean, it's like Carvana.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  Nice lease returns. And Carvana is kicking their butts on the bidding. So Carvana, wherever they get their magic money from, beats CarMax on their trade-in bids.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  By thousands every time.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  The Carvana experience also just so, if you have a BS car,

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  not the kind you'd sell on Cars and Bids where you should never use Carvana ever.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Well, and you guys do the comparisons of how much more the cars bring in cars and bids when there's something interesting. But if you have a Kia, not a Telluride maybe.

• 31:20Speaker 05

  Or not a Singer GT. But if you have a normal car.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  A Sizzinger?

• 31:24Speaker 05

  Carvana is so, not a Sizzinger. I don't know what to do.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  Singer.

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• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  If you have a normal car, Carvana makes so easy and CarMax never greatly pivoted towards the online thing. It's just still so brick and mortar.

• 33:14Speaker 04

  No, now I saw somebody was complaining about CarMax recently because they just wanted someone to do a walk around video of the car before they shipped it to the store. Like, can you just do a walk around video? We can't do that.

• 33:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Why can't you do like, that's not in their system.

• 33:28Doug DeMuro?

  Cause dudes only get 200 bucks max.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, get someone with their phone to text it. And that's not our system. That's not in our protocols to be able to do it.

• 33:36Doug DeMuro?

  CarMax strikes me as one of these things that's gotten so big that they actually make it harder for their dealers to sell cars, which was a common complaint I heard when I was in the car business. You make us get compliant flower pots and compliant trash cans. And it's all these ancillary things. It doesn't matter. We're just trying to sell cars.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  You know, I'm actually not into cars. I'm just into low balling the [BLEEP] out of people. So CarMax is against my religion.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  It was so hard to train people in Kansas. What do you mean you can't give me $2,000 off this Camry? We don't, I can't handle a dollar. I don't, what? They thought it was me just being a jerk.

• 34:07Doug DeMuro?

  I would be like, Tyler, give me like your wristwatch. Like, give me something.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  Cause other than that, it was the only other.

• 34:12Doug DeMuro?

  Give me a free coffee. I don't care. I need value add here.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  Cause like Scion had just come out.

• 34:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  And that was no haggle.

• 34:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  And, and so, but young people were buying that. So they got that. But then like normal people, look at midwesterners coming in to buy, they use Camry or a truck and they're like, what? This, yeah, it was annoying to them.

• 34:28Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I can get this down the street for this one.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. You know, there's only one car I didn't low ball and haggle [BLEEP] out of.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  There's an SLR.

• 34:34Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, how beautiful. You know what?

• 34:37Speaker 04

  Daddy did it for you.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  I had such immense respect for the seller that I was just like, you know what? Name your number, I won't even question it.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  I didn't even...

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Just tell me what's fair.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  I did not even give like a moment's thought that there... Because there is, it was like, I'm getting what I paid for it, or I'm just keeping it forever. And that, I was, I was okay with that.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  The real answer is, he didn't think I was a buyer. He's just like, Cheapskate Nick is just wasting my time.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  Because Doug opened it and said, "Hey, we can sell this SLR for $200,000." And I was like, "It's been on fire." No, no.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Doug lowballed you, and so I didn't have to.

• 35:10Doug DeMuro?

  We need to cover this in a moment. We need to move on to the Talk Car segment and cover this officially.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 35:15Doug DeMuro?

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• 35:24Speaker 03

  They're fairly new.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  They look brand new.

• 35:26Doug DeMuro?

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• 35:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 35:29Doug DeMuro?

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• 35:30Speaker 04

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• 35:31Speaker 03

  Doug hadn't heard of them.

• 35:33Doug DeMuro?

  I've never heard of them.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Until they sponsored him, and then now he's a...

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  I'm a huge convert. They're great, they're great.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're comfortable, and they actually do work for pedal transition and things. It's real.

• 35:44Doug DeMuro?

  It's also like littler, like I still can't wear them in my Countach, but like, it feels better to drive a car with Pilotes than with clunky shoes. This is a real thing. We probably have some discount code or something. We'll throw it up on the site, but if you're a driver...

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Use the code actually HOUVY20, so I get it.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  You get 20? We get 15.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  Use them both, and then they're 45% off.

• 36:07Doug DeMuro?

  The heel is curved, but anyway, I'm converted. I'm legitimately and honestly converted to these shoes. I think they're great. Buy some, and use our code, because otherwise it makes us seem like we're not doing anything, which honestly, we aren't really. Okay, I want to talk about a couple things, the Talk Car segment.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Indeed.

• 36:26Doug DeMuro?

  But I don't want to start with this, but leave it up, because it's an amazing background. I'll leave it there.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Agreed, agreed.

• 36:30Doug DeMuro?

  I had an incident earlier today. I'm driving down the freeway there, in a sports car. Let's leave it at that. And I'm driving fast, because I had to get here. I was up in Irvine. God, do you ever go up there? And, okay, and...

• 36:48Doug DeMuro?

  I come upon on the freeway, a Mercedes 300 SL Goldwing. And I'm like, oh my God, this is an unbelievable thing to come upon. And it's Hoovy. And, uh, and I was going pretty fast because I, I was trying to make us an appointment and anyway. Hoovy starts getting behind me and is going fast at the same speed. And I'm going not slowly, it's a little bit over the 65.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  You're in a modern sports car with double the horsepower.

• 37:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Going pretty quick.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 37:21Doug DeMuro?

  And this 300 SL, and I'm looking in my mirror and this is the coolest experience I've ever had in my life. There's a 300 SL behind me going hard, like hard left lane, little through traffic, a 300 SL.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  That's what it's built to do. It's the world's first supercar.

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  It was amazing to see it drive like that. I've, I couldn't believe it.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  In 1955, when 100 miles an hour was the sound barrier, that thing was 150. It, it's so it's easy to do, you know, if the speed limit is 65, to do 80, 90 for a second, it's, it's no problem.

• 37:51Doug DeMuro?

  For a second or 30 minutes, but that didn't happen.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  In Mexico, we went down to Mexico and then came back.

• 37:57Doug DeMuro?

  I was, I wasn't on the five freeway, I was on the, the Uno.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go.

• 38:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, so you just drive that thing like that?

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Yes, why wouldn't you?

• 38:07Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's old.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  It's fine.

• 38:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's worth a ton of money. You're not scared.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  You got insurance, but it's.

• 38:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but if you want to make that call to your.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  No, I sure don't, I sure don't. That's the thing. And then, and if it's a fixable accident that like it would be a year before I got the car back and I'd still be making payments on it. So that is a little bit of a thing, but.

• 38:24Doug DeMuro?

  You're making payments on this car, 70 years old?

• 38:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:27Doug DeMuro?

  What's that like? How's this structured financially?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Similar to the Bugatti. Yeah, I just, I did a collateral swap, actually.

• 38:35Doug DeMuro?

  So you do like a lot of like interesting financial instruments?

• 38:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, because I, you know, I didn't have a, a large infusion of cash from a, from an investment firm. So I, I have to finance my things, yes.

• 38:46Doug DeMuro?

  So, so, so you're, you're just, you drive around in this 300 SL. Hard.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:54Doug DeMuro?

  You should have seen it.

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:56Doug DeMuro?

  Imagine you're going pretty hard, like you're kind of doing as fast as you feel comfortable with cars around. And look behind you, there's the 300 SL. You go through this thing, there's a 300 SL.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  I did a thousand miles in the car a month ago, so I got very comfortable with it.

• 39:09Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  A few years ago, I did the Milimia. Uh, and then you drive way, way harder than that because the Italian police encourage you. They're like escorting you and you're trying, and if you're not keeping up with the Italian police when they're escorting you to race across Italy a thousand miles, they're mad at you. So it's like, this is a 55 car and I'm going 100 and what? And there's like normal cars and pedestrians and everything like this, this is crazy. And then I have a ex Formula One driver in the passenger seat, Carl Windlinger, German or Austrian. And he's like, go hit it. And so, yeah.

• 39:41Doug DeMuro?

  Is there anything you haven't done?

• 39:43Speaker 04

  Well, apparently not calling you daddy enough.

• 39:46Doug DeMuro?

  I'm jealous of Hoobie. Aren't you jealous of Hoobie?

• 39:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  He loves to fire me, did the mealy-mitty.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  It's called, it's called saying yes. Your, your favorite word is no. Like, oh, you just can't.

• 39:56Doug DeMuro?

  How do you know that? Everybody knows that, but how do you know that? You shouldn't know that. I say yes to you every time you reach out. But I do like saying no to stuff. I got invited the other day to some press launch like locally and I was like, I can participate in that. Um, can, can we rewind? Why are you here? So you, you, your car presumably was being worked on.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  I wanted some lunch. Um, no, I, I was getting it sorted out after the rally. So the car hadn't run in over 10 years. But I was expecting something, you know, not as nice as this. So Matt Ivanhoe, the Cultivated Collector, will give him a shout out because he got Doug's car GT and, and found me this Goldwing out of an estate. But it, it kind of ran, but didn't because it had been saved for so long, the fuel was bad. So the first going through the Classic Center, they woke it up, but then you shake it down. So we did the thousand mile, 300 SL rally. Shake down. Where I, it was very fun. It was beautiful and all that stuff. The, the Goldwing owners, every one of them were over 80 years old. And it was, we didn't drive them that hard, but we, we had fun. So then it was leaking everything. The old cooler exploded, so we had to bypass that.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Uh, the radiator was leaking, some coolant hoses were leaking. It, it needed a lot. The fuel delivery was, was still a little weird. So it needed more. Massaging at the Classic Center. So I picked it up from there, went to Jay Leno's garage and parked it next to his and he drove my car. Jet. And then down to Daddy Doug to say, "Hi Daddy."

• 41:20Speaker 04

  There we go. He's making up for lost time. Yeah, eventually I hope Doug wants to film a video. The intent was to park it next to his Carrera GT and be like, "Look, we both got our ultimate dream cars." We were talking about them in Auto Trader in Atlanta seven, eight years ago and now we got it, but his is busted.

• 41:36Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's fixed. I just haven't been up there. And it's sad because on that drive we were doing today, we drove by the Porsche dealer where the car's sitting. Could've just picked it up, but I didn't have a ride back. I'm thrilled you have this Carrera NSL.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 41:47Doug DeMuro?

  What did it cost there at the Classic Center?

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Oh, the repair cost?

• 41:51Doug DeMuro?

  Have you announced this yet?

• 41:52Speaker 04

  No, I haven't. I haven't, but they're, honestly, they're really taking good care of me. I mean, they wanted, they wanted the car to be used for some events and stuff. And so it's, it's a...

• 42:03Doug DeMuro?

  Half mil?

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Half a million dollars.

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  Two fifty?

• 42:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  Two hundred?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:07Doug DeMuro?

  One seventy-five?

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Full retail on what they did would barely be six figures.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you this? Are you concerned? This is a big investment for you. It's an expensive car.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:17Doug DeMuro?

  Are you concerned at all about the fact that the folks who have them are older and what's going to happen to that market in the next 20 years?

• 42:24Speaker 04

  I am, but I'm not at the same time because I'm done being Mr. Speculator and Mr. Buy Sell and all that stuff. And this was the adult dream car for me since I was 16 years old.

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  You want to keep it forever.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  If I, I would love to keep it forever. If I have the ability to do so great, if I have to sell it down the road, you know, at least, "Hey, I did it."

• 42:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  And that's out of my head forever. It would suck if I did it 20 years later and it's a half a million dollar car instead of a 1.5 million dollar car.

• 42:52Doug DeMuro?

  But even then, you would have had the experience, which is real.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Right. I'm young enough to, to drive it on the highway like that. Yeah, for a thousand miles.

• 42:58Doug DeMuro?

  And I bet a lot of the people on that rally, I bet, wouldn't, don't drive it like that or wouldn't drive it like that.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it was really impressive.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:05Doug DeMuro?

  Um, yeah, I'm proud of you.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Well, congrats on the SLR. Yeah, yeah, we all, we all. Cheapskate Nick, as I started calling him, he was like, yeah. I know.

• 43:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's true still.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  After, after me getting mad at Doug for saying the SLRs are going to not go up in value.

• 43:19Doug DeMuro?

  Which is true.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  You know, you know, the main reason I do this podcast is because they provide lunch right beforehand. Yeah. And I get hungry.

• 43:25Doug DeMuro?

  Cheapskate Nick.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:26Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of Cheapskate Nick, uh, over the weekend, we, me and Cheapskate Nick, and another fellow, got our cars together and we created this picture here.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Justification for higher education.

• 43:38Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember the 2005?

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. It looks like, uh, yeah, it looks like the movie Redline at the starting line.

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's so good.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  Eddie Griffin's about to wreck that Enzo. Right.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember, I mean, this was, to me, I always felt that it was the SLR, the Carr GT and the Enzo, just those three. The market has treated the Ford GT quite well and obviously from a value perspective, it now obviously deserves to be in this group. Probably a Veyron should be in here too.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, maybe a Mercy, but like, this was it.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 44:11Doug DeMuro?

  So we have a friend who has these two, the Carr GT and the Enzo. He does not have an SLR and a Ford GT and so, once Nick got the SLR, we realized, hey, we could put this together.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  We gotta do it.

• 44:20Doug DeMuro?

  Um, and so we, we did.

• 44:22Speaker 04

  Great color palette. Yeah, it's wonderful. Yes, it is, it is upsetting because honestly, if you hadn't agreed to the 275, because I wasn't advertising it for sale, I wouldn't have sold the car.

• 44:33Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you're looking at this picture and you're wistful.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  He had, he had a very CarMax mentality there.

• 44:37Doug DeMuro?

  What was the sticker on this new?

• 44:40Speaker 04

  490 or just five, but yeah.

• 44:43Doug DeMuro?

  Someone replied to the comment and was like, oh, what do you mean it's oh four rich? It's rich today. All the cars have gone way up in value. And there were a couple of, not the SLR.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  All the other ones have though, and in fact, I, from a percentage basis, you know, the Ford GT has increased as much as the Enzo.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  Or the Carr GT. I don't remember, one of the two. The Enzos were 650 new, now they're like four, four and a half, five, five and a half. Carr GTs went from 440 to two for that yellow one. My Ford GT was a 155 sticker and it's probably a 500 car if it didn't have the miles I have on mine. Which most of them don't. It's crazy.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  You know what? Huvia and I are off speculating and we buy Mercedes that are certainly going to lose more value in the future.

• 45:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was amazing to get these cars together and relive what I still consider to be.

• 45:25Speaker 04

  There's been some really strong 300 SL sales lately and a lot of younger people are getting into the more hip rallies like the Colorado Grand and that kind of stuff. So I'm hoping that the crypto bros keep up. A Goldwing is going to be like, yeah, a Goldwing is a Goldwing.

• 45:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's the thing. Ultimately, I think a lot of these cars will lose their luster and lose value. I'm looking at you in my rearview mirror today thinking, I would buy one of those. I wouldn't spend what it currently is. I can't.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  But what a million and a half in 10 years isn't a million and a half.

• 45:53Doug DeMuro?

  Right, exactly. If it did lose or start to decline with inflation, at some point I'd step in. It's like a C2 Corvette. There are some cars from that era, I'm not into cars from that era, but there are some cars from that era where you would do it at the right number.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  You've had pretty much all of them too, right? You've had the 65 Mustang that was the club racer.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a real Shelby.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  You've had the Corvet.

• 46:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know what hit me the other day too? I was thinking about this because Goldwings are, 300 SLs are way more expensive than they should be if you look at the production numbers. There's an enormous number of 300 SLs. In fact, from a market cap perspective, the 300 SL is the most expensive car ever. They're, they're, they sell for 2 million bucks and there's like 3,000 between the coupes and the rosters. It's an unbelievable number. They're not rare. They're pretty easy to find. There's always one available. Every rally has seven of them, in part because they're so easy.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  Save this for your Sunday video where you talk down the value.

• 46:41Doug DeMuro?

  But what I, what hit me was the F40 is the 300 SL, the next generation. That also is a car that should not be what it costs. There is, a car has no business being three and a half or 3 million, considering how many there are. But the thing about the 300 SL that is equal to the F40, there's something. There's like something special. It transcends production numbers. It transcends performance level. It is a truly special car to everyone beyond just standards that you use to judge other cars.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Right. And driving them, they live up to the hype. That 40 definitely lives up to the hype when you drive it. These, they feel like something decades newer.

• 47:20Doug DeMuro?

  This certainly lives up to the hype. F40, I think it's more about the last Enzo's car. There's a lot of special things about it. The drive is not, the 300 SL drives incredibly well. I never really understood why so many people use them on vintage car rallies until I finally drove one. And then it was like, oh, you could just drive it. Like it's a car.

• 47:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:44Doug DeMuro?

  Which is so untrue of every other 50's car. There's so much BS you have to contend with.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Right. And it's because of that tubular chassis for the most part. And that's why the Goldwing doors exist because of the, you know, big sill on it. So.

• 47:53Doug DeMuro?

  Have you driven a Roadster?

• 47:54Speaker 04

  I have driven a Roadster. Multiple Roadsters.

• 47:56Doug DeMuro?

  Is it better?

• 47:57Speaker 04

  It's, yeah, it's better. They're a little more powerful, a little, little.

• 48:00Doug DeMuro?

  More comfortable.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, comfortable. Steering's a little better. Yeah, brakes. Doors. Doors don't go up, yeah.

• 48:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's the thing. When, when push comes to shove, he sent an SLS to a group chat the other day and was talking about how cheap it was.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  It was like a hundred and twenty.

• 48:12Doug DeMuro?

  Hundred and twenty for an SLS Roadster, but.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  You can barely buy a Kia Telluride for that.

• 48:16Doug DeMuro?

  Look at him, look at him. He's.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  On the Goldwing rally, they're allowing SLSs because a lot of these older people are just, you know, like, okay, I can't, I can't do this anymore, even though they're pretty easy to drive. So the SLSs show up and you're just like, because most of them are Roadsters, yeah.

• 48:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, the problem that I have with the SLS Roadster, I think, I think the coupe is cool. The Roadster, especially since they came out with the AMG GT.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's tough.

• 48:40Doug DeMuro?

  Like, they look pretty similar. The AMG GT probably performs better. It's not like the SLS Roadster has a V12 or some crazy characteristic that makes it ultra special. The Roadster is just kind of a car, to be hon- I mean, it's a really cool car. It drives incredibly, but it's, the, the coupe is like the, where it is.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  I know. But it's effectively the same car, just different doors and roof, and it's a 60 grand discount. Like, it's a 40% off deal.

• 49:03Doug DeMuro?

  But I would argue.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  And I usually prefer the convertible.

• 49:06Doug DeMuro?

  But I would argue, why not take it to the AMG GT Roadster at that point? You can get another 60 grand off at the same performance level.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. But it's the same story with Roadsters and Goldwings. The Goldwings are worth more. It's just, it's the icon.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  As they should be.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  I had to pay for it. It's not like I, yeah.

• 49:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you'll get it back when you sell it. You know what? I'll buy it from you.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

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• 50:35Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, we, we want to talk about one other thing. Do you have any interesting talk, oh yeah, the curated.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  On the topic of a rally, since it's come up.

• 50:44Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been seeing these pictures?

• 50:45Speaker 04

  I know, it's insane.

• 50:46Doug DeMuro?

  How come you're not invited on this stuff?

• 50:47Speaker 04

  I got invited.

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god! You're getting, I'm not.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  I went once to, he had a Countach only rally and then he invited me to the next one and I couldn't do it. And I know I'm, yeah, yeah. Because I'm the guy that usually says yes, and I actually socialize in a normal human way without prying into people's personal lives or asking really odd questions. So like, generally like, oh, like, let's invite Hoovy. He's pleasant to be around for the most part.

• 51:15Doug DeMuro?

  You think that's my problem?

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Your, your social skills could use some.

• 51:20Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not, the questions aren't odd. It's what I want to know. Look, I don't want to talk about boring stuff like other people do. I want to get into the heart of the matter. I want to get in, I want to see what's really going on up here and in here.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  But people don't want to like, you, most people don't want to know about baby mamas and like the, the things that you want to know about.

• 51:38Doug DeMuro?

  Have I said anything about that today? I've been very respectful about that today. Speaking of, how are?

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Oh geez. I'm doing great.

• 51:46Doug DeMuro?

  You brought it up. Anyway, so you think that's why Tamarin doesn't want me around? Damn. I could be driving next to this 4:30 scoot with Montana plates, or next to that McLaren with Montana plates, or next to that Singer with Montana plate, or next to that Carr G2 with Montana plate, or next to that 959 with Montana. plates.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  When I did.

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  That doesn't have plates at all.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  So when I did the Countach rally.

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  It was only 300 miles. It was like a half moon bay to into Monterey or something like around there. And 30 something cars and probably 10 of them went down and like most of them permanently like it was. It was something like, we cannot fix this on the side of the road. It was, it was, it was pandemonium and it only is only curated in their crew. One crew keeping it up. So.

• 52:23Doug DeMuro?

  I do wonder when I see these images, what's really happening? Like I know these cars like.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  One of them broke down and so they all parked.

• 52:31Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, let's do a picture right here because this car is now getting done from the rally.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  Supercar Unlimited did one where they were all turning left at like an intersection and he was like behind there and you just. It was like, I just can't imagine being in traffic and seeing that and be like, I am dying. I have reached heaven.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  This is a hallucination or some kind of like acid trip.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's incredible.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 52:51Doug DeMuro?

  The pictures coming out of this and you know, they take all these high quality professional photos. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be. Just a random photo of some, something like this is, it's incredible to see these cars. It's so rare that people are actually using any of these vehicles, let alone all of them together.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. They really one upped our Instagram post from last weekend.

• 53:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we post all the big four and they post the big 20.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  Man, if only I said yes to stuff, we could be on this rally right now.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  And but it's, it's not just like, and it's not a polite no. And then you talk to this on the channel. It's like, hey, would you like to go to this with me?

• 53:28Speaker 03

  It's gotten so bad. People have now started to DM me saying Doug is too famous to respond to me.

• 53:34Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's not true.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Is there a connection on the flight?

• 53:37Speaker 04

  Oh. Oh, that's, that's. Oh, that sounds like an amazing experience. I love the invite. Thank you so much. You're such a great guy. I can't make it. It's like, how dare you ask me? And that's, that's, that's, that's what.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not, it's also like, you'd be like, hey, do you have time for a quick call? He'd be like, I'd rather eat my eyeballs with a fork. Like they're like over the top notes.

• 53:57Doug DeMuro?

  I will tell you this about phone calls.

• 54:00Doug DeMuro?

  It is hard for me to explain how many times in every single day I get a message from somebody asking me for five minutes for a call. Truly, I would say five, five times a day I get a text, can you have five minutes for a call? And my experience, living this life, is that when you get a question like that, it is not a five-minute phone call.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:18Doug DeMuro?

  It is a 14-minute phone call. And if you said yes to all of them, you're on the phone two hours every day about this BS or that BS. And people, I just text me, email me, let me, let me respond on my time.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 54:27Doug DeMuro?

  That's my phone call problem.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Well, and you call me more than you text me.

• 54:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, you answer my calls.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  You answer, and you, but I already know, okay, it's Doug, I need to do rapid-fire answers right now, like, and I need to be quick about it, I need to be concise. And then I do, and then you, okay, bye. It's very...

• 54:40Doug DeMuro?

  So, so, so the Milli Millia thing, you were like, you're like, I'm gonna do it.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  Yes. Mercedes, Mercedes invited me out. So I said yes to Mercedes inviting me out at Monterey Car Week, which you had not attended in 20 years or whatever.

• 54:53Doug DeMuro?

  Cause he says no.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  It's like, oh, it's so hard. And so they invite me out, and they have, I drive a Roadster, and it's my first time ever driving a 300SL anything. And at the end of it, it's like a religious experience for me, and I'm tearing up, like there's tears going on. And this guy, thankfully, he doesn't think I'm a total nut, he's like, I'm gonna get you another shot at driving one of these. And it was the Milli Millia. So that was, yeah.

• 55:15Doug DeMuro?

  With Carl, the Austrian in the passenger seat.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you the real reason I say no since you're calling me out on it since we're here on the pod?

• 55:21Speaker 04

  I've got more no stories to add here, too.

• 55:23Doug DeMuro?

  A couple of years ago, I received some cash. And at the same time, I had a kid. And then I had another kid. And I really, really, really only like to be with my community and my family. And so I get invited to go on this press trip.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  You have children.

• 55:40Doug DeMuro?

  I have children. I would never do a rally, for example. It's just, I would just rather be with my family. I know, I know it's unusual, especially for dads. I've, I have come to realize a lot of dads actually enjoy kinda getting away. I do not. I feel the exact opposite. I really, really enjoy...

• 55:59Speaker 04

  I miss my kids, too. It definitely tugs, but you...

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Do you still want to experience life?

• 56:05Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I feel like I've done a lot of life experiences. Like, I did a lot of stuff. And now the next stage of life I'm experiencing, which I am, I am more excited about fatherhood than I ever expected that I would be.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  The milestones and things, yeah. It's just, it's very fun.

• 56:21Doug DeMuro?

  And like, if it were up to me, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be working at all, truthfully. And, and there are a few reasons why I still do it. But, but I really, truly, truly love being there. And I, I do say no to all, you know, I used to say yes to every press trip. And I would be gone all the time. This is before I had kids. And it was fine, it was life. But, um, I just don't have to anymore.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  But I did, I did trick or treating with the kids. And then up at 6 a.m. to make it to Las Vegas to see the most Bugatti Veyrons in one spot ever at the Wynn Concorde, because that's never gonna happen again.

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  It was cool. And the pictures were cool and it seemed neat.

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• 57:28Speaker 04

  And the, the reality is there's, there's in-between of I say no to everything and I say yes to everything.

• 57:33Doug DeMuro?

  The day.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  You can be selective.

• 57:34Doug DeMuro?

  The day of that thing, I went to a pumpkin patch with my children. We did a lot of, uh, games. We learned to throw darts for the first time. Preferable to the Bugattis.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  So, lawn darts for the kids, that's your?

• 57:47Doug DeMuro?

  Magnetic.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, all right.

• 57:49Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, I'm not, I'm not casting shade. Like, you, you do what you want. I'm sure you have a great balance and it works. But like, for me personally, I killed myself for 10 years for this job. I traveled all over the country, all over the world, shooting these videos, trying to be number one, the very first. And I was, and I still am for years and years and years. The first, the best, the most views. And operating that level for that long is, is hard. And eventually, when you don't have to do that anymore and you're able to slow down a little bit, I just realized like, what I actually love is the time with my family and with my community, my friends.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Okay, well, let's, let's do a little roleplay then. I'm John Temerian.

• 58:24Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  I'm giving you a call.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  All right, John, hey, John.

• 58:26Speaker 04

  Hey, Doug, how are you doing?

• 58:27Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, hey.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Give, oh, wait, wait. First, I'm texting. Do you have five minutes for a call?

• 58:31Doug DeMuro?

  No, sorry, John.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  At the very beginning, it's done. You've lost that opportunity. So then, okay, but then he actually gets through the call.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  John will DM me and say, can you put me in touch?

• 58:41Doug DeMuro?

  I will tell you this. I joke about how I want to be on this rally. I would never do this.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  So he called him and said, would you like to go? No.

• 58:47Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. And here's my thinking also. This is another thing I've learned about the children. 10 years from now, the children are not going to want to be around me as much and I can be as excited. Okay. And so at that time, I probably will start doing stuff like this. And I've already thought to myself, I got invited with Audi to go on a crazy press trip to Germany where they had a brand new concept car that I was going to be able to drive. It seems so cool. And I turned him down. That week, I, we had a couple of kid events and I just didn't do it. I, every day, I, every month I volunteer at my kid's school. I teach an art class at my kid's elementary school.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Oh, I get it. I'm cramming a lot in a couple of days to get home.

• 59:21Doug DeMuro?

  But one day, one day when the kids don't care as much, yeah, I would say yes to this kind of stuff. But having lived through the time when I traveled everywhere around the world for personal reasons and, and I did a ton of hardcore work and it was a lot, and now I've transitioned to this space, I, I'm, I'm, I want to really live this, this part of the world, my life.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  Noble, but you were still the same way with the no's.

• 59:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, I wish I was. I said yes to everything. I had to do everything. I flew across the country to the Model 3.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  You were doing, yes, you were doing that for work, but as far as like, YouTubers didn't have access to events and things like this back then. Like, like five years ago, asking to get into a coil as a YouTuber, like, what? You know, like, so it's a little different nowadays.

• 1:00:04Doug DeMuro?

  I don't like, like, personal trips, I will say. Like, free personal trips are like, not a thing for me. You were like shocked I didn't take my car lift for free at my house.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Oh, right, right.

• 1:00:14Doug DeMuro?

  I just don't, I don't want to do the whole quid, I don't want to.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  They don't care. They just want a picture occasionally with the bin pack showing. Like, they didn't ask for anything from me.

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• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  Speaking of saying yes to things or saying no to things, I got a surprise story for everyone. Oh, wow. I chose yes. Oh. Oh, Mike. Oh. Welcome back to the club. Got another car, yes. Fellow P38 owner, fellow yes-sayer over here, Tyler, I'm sure will appreciate. Was it cheaper than mine? It was free. It was free. A listener of the pod, Brian, you're the man. I hate you. He sent it to me. I paid shipping only and a new battery. I have a P38. It's on my YouTube channel if you're watching this now. Why are you doing? How are the head gaskets? We're gonna... It runs and drives, does leak a little, doesn't have a glove box for some reason. How are the head gaskets? It's good, it's good. Okay.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  It's actually had a mechanic now just to confirm it's good, but which... It's got new BFGs on it. Why did you do this? I love the P38, I missed it, it just felt like... Like, I lost like a finger.

• 1:02:34Doug DeMuro?

  You know the rest of them are gonna kill you. It's not just me.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  I know, that's why I kept it a secret until now. And I wanted to get a reaction from you all of how mad you are that I got another one.

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  It upsets me for the following reason. We had the P38, we moved on from the P38.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  You moved on from the P30, I stayed.

• 1:02:50Doug DeMuro?

  You sold it, you were done!

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  I, I wasn't done, I sold it.

• 1:02:54Doug DeMuro?

  Did the Arnage, did the Arnage teach you nothing?

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Uh, no, not to get another Arnage, but...

• 1:03:01Doug DeMuro?

  Did it not teach you that you don't wanna take up space in your life, in your garage, with a car that doesn't run?

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  I'm gonna, it's, it's, I feel like I've learned enough about the P38 that I kinda know how to do this now. I can finesse it, I can whisper to it. It's gonna leak a little, I'm gonna lift it, get the bull guards, we're gonna go off-roading. It's gonna be so much fun.

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  See, I already got the bull guards, so...

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  Thirty-two hundred bucks. Have I done what?

• 1:03:25Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever had one of these?

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  He just bought one.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  I just bought one for thirty-two hundred bucks at Barrett-Jackson. It was the cheapest car to sell at Barrett-Jackson.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  And it was, it was nice!

• 1:03:31Doug DeMuro?

  What year?

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  It's, uh, 2000.

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  What year is this?

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  We're gonna do what Ed Bolian did to Merciolago's and hype P38s until they're unobtainable.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:03:39Doug DeMuro?

  You could never. People don't, people absolutely will not know.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Well, clearly, they're free. Literally free.

• 1:03:44Doug DeMuro?

  There is not a Land Rover shop in this country that doesn't have six of them sitting in the back in various states of Arizona.

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  When I pulled into the new mechanic, it was literally parked next to a parts car P38.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  But yours isn't on air ride, is it?

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  No, it's been coil-spring converted. It's a 98, but it has some of the facelift bits.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  That's what I was surprised. When I said in the video, "Nobody's still riding on the air ride with these," and then people are in the comments, "My air ride still works."

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  No, the, the EAS curators are super in new...

• 1:04:08Doug DeMuro?

  I never really understood the benefit of EAS either because, have you ever driven them back-to-back? It doesn't ride much better.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  I thought it'd ride better, because they're kinda...

• 1:04:14Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't. The main benefit is that you can lift it, you can get it taller, which I actually did use in my 06 a lot, like when I was going on the beach, I would, I would lift it up because sometimes stuff would get caught underneath. But that's not that, enough of a benefit to deal with the hassle.

• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe you've done that.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  I'm so happy. It's bringing me immense joy and pleasure. I say yes, Doug.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  When does this pod come out? Is this the late a day or two?

• 1:04:36Doug DeMuro?

  Friday.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  Friday.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  Why, you got it?

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  Ooh, the embargoes are getting lifted.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  I mean, I'll do a little spoiler.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  I found a mint California one-owner 99 Cadillac Escalade.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:04:51Doug DeMuro?

  First gen?

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  First year.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  OG, first year.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  First year.

• 1:04:54Doug DeMuro?

  How mint?

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  And it has the bars on it.

• 1:04:56Doug DeMuro?

  Four-wheel drive?

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  Four-wheel drive.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  Black.

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles?

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  90,000. One-owner.

• 1:05:01Doug DeMuro?

  OE wheels?

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  Not OE wheels, but I can find them really easy. Yeah.

• 1:05:04Doug DeMuro?

  How many Escalades have you had now?

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  A bunch. A bunch.

• 1:05:08Doug DeMuro?

  Lot count.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  But I'm so excited to have the 99 Escalade and the 2000 Range Rover, both, and this one has aftermarket cattle guards on it, too.

• 1:05:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you could make your own music video.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm so excited to have those two, just like, in the wintertime, just like, which one do I get in today? Obviously, the Chevy's gonna start more often.

• 1:05:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  The Cadillac, but yeah, I'm.

• 1:05:29Doug DeMuro?

  The Range Rover will start. It'll just beep at you a lot.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Boom, boom.

• 1:05:32Doug DeMuro?

  For no reason.

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  It sounds like a plane that's about to crash. The bongs and bings, the.

• 1:05:36Doug DeMuro?

  And like the ABS light coming on is a standard value until you start driving. It's like, why? You're warning me about things that you don't even need to warn me about.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Welcome back.

• 1:05:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That, we had an Escalade in the shop. I did a video on a first gen Escalade. And it isn't luxurious anymore, you know, by today's standards. You drive around, feels like a Tahoe. But I still think it looks good. It still drives fine. The motor's plenty potent. And yeah, it starts every time. I mean, it's just like that, that, that 5.7.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  And the size of it, too. I know that SUVs are wider because it's safer now, but that, that size just works, too. And that, being a truck frame, that trucky feel at that size, because now like a, what's, what's the Equinox is the same size. As a Tahoe was 20 years ago. But it's a unibody. It feels different. It feels like a car. That's, it's just perfect.

• 1:06:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Wow. There you go. You're all, we're all getting big old SUVs.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Yep, we're saying yes.

• 1:06:33Doug DeMuro?

  I got a.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  You're getting a Jeep.

• 1:06:35Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule it out. I just know the G-Wagon isn't gonna last me forever.

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  And I think the 392 Wrangler is the coolest, reliable, fun SUV you can get.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  You could probably dig up an Evoque in his yard.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that's any more reliable than the G.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Actually, didn't he sell it on the site?

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:55Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe you did this. You, you're gonna regret it.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  My favorite part of this is, so the guy that contacted me and I thought it was a scam forever. And then he was like, oh, can you send me $200 for a new battery? I'm like, okay, finally, that's the catch. He had commented on my last P38 auction and said, I admire how well-aligned your glove box was. And I thought that was such a weird comment. And then I realized, three years later, his glove box is still not even hanging on from the dashboard.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. I had someone offer me a W12 Volkswagen Phaeton for free. They'll just send it to me. But the opening email, and I won't say exactly what it was, but they were, they were a porn star and they want to give me a Phaeton. An adult entertainer.

• 1:07:33Doug DeMuro?

  Did you do it?

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  I, my friend Jake, I said, hey, you want this Phaeton? And he, he took it. But it was like wanting to collaborate. And I was like, I only would want to know what, what they're thinking.

• 1:07:44Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I would want to know.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  Collaborate.

• 1:07:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's some, you have some fans in certain communities who would like to know what they're thinking.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Daddy.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, I want to talk about the Bentley and then we got to move on to market board. We have, oh, the questions are great this week and we don't have a lot of time for them. Market board's gonna be super quick. Can we quickly discuss the Bentley and what's going on there?

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Did it?

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  That's the end of the slideshow. The Bentley is photographed, it is going live, uh, next week, Thursday. However, I want your advice here in the top cars as a market expert. If it goes live Thursday, the auction will end the following Friday, which is Black Friday. In America, it's one of the biggest shopping holidays. One, is that a bad idea?

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, get the car sold.

• 1:08:29Speaker 03

  Okay. But is, is Black Friday a good day to sell a car?

• 1:08:33Doug DeMuro?

  Here's what's happened, this, this.

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Do I need to offer free shipping?

• 1:08:36Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, repeatedly over the last six months, he's been trying to sell it. And every time he gets close, another warning light comes on, another problem pops up.

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  Been there.

• 1:08:42Doug DeMuro?

  Another issue comes on.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Done that, yeah.

• 1:08:44Doug DeMuro?

  And I wouldn't quibble over the date. I would get the car live as quickly as possible and try to conceal as many of the obvious flaws.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  We're being, we're being super honest. It's, it needs to go to the right type of person that.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  I feel like Black Friday, people still have money in their bank. And as you get closer to Christmas, it's getting like drained. Like, okay, I need to wait till after Christmas before I recover. So I think you're, I think you're safe.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  And if it's gonna be early Black Friday, like doorbuster time, not.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're still safe.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  I got a big vid going live on Black Friday too, which I think is gonna bring people to the site. Either way. I wouldn't, you need to get it gone.

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  It is parked behind your head and it is not moving until the shipper comes.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  And it may not even move then.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  No, that's the, that's the thing. I mean, do you, I guess, I guess you've gone through it enough, but like I, I feel bad selling a car that I know is not going to be good for someone down the road.

• 1:09:41Doug DeMuro?

  This car is as nice as it could have been. He bought a crappy one on Bring a Trailer that was so crappy, they refunded him his fee. Bring the trailer, I'm sorry.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  Bring the trailer.

• 1:09:48Doug DeMuro?

  Bring the trailer.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:49Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, and, and it was, and it was really poorly, incorrectly represented. So he bought it and he knew it was kind of a crappy one, it turned out to be really bad. He brought it into the office, the first day I had in the office, this coolant smell was like, it was like someone had poured coolant up my nose. And he's over here like, I don't smell anything.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  I don't, that's true.

• 1:10:07Doug DeMuro?

  But he's gotten it a lot better, but it's still an Arnage T and a, and a kind of a project.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  I feel like with cars like that, I sort of want to like curate the buyer on it. It's like, I need to pre-qualify them to like, okay, can you handle this? Where when you put it on auction, something, you don't know who you're getting and it, you know, so.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  The Merciolago owner is a great guy, but he's incredibly fastidious, notebooks on everything. And I've gotten a lot of post-sale questions, not, not complaints, like he's being very kind about it. But like probably five times a day, it's like, how, how long do the bat wings go up? At precisely what temperature? And you're like, okay, I, I want to make sure that type of person does not buy the Arnage. Cause I would ideally never like to hear from.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Well, and like one of Doug's legendary stories is when you were selling your 360 and the people that were, wasn't there a lawyer that was trying to litigate it with you and like as far as like the price and like how, how horrible it was to sell a Ferrari?

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  And I always, right, I always hate that kind of thing. And I'm always trying to get out and I'll tell you, my Land Cruiser is the worst car sale experience I've ever had, but we don't have to discuss that here on the pod. Instead.

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  That's where Cars and Bids is so much easier, I guess.

• 1:11:10Doug DeMuro?

  It is easier, although I sold that on Cars and Bids, but anyway, the rest of my Cars and Bids sales, by the way, have been incredibly smooth and easy. And part of the benefit of Cars and Bids is you really can do a lot of real disclosure and kind of point back to the listing when they come at you later. Yo, this was here.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's honestly my favorite part. I'm shell whatever bias. And bids having the just bullet point known flaws.

• 1:11:32Doug DeMuro?

  I know, it's so.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  That is buried on other auction sites, or at least not as clear like it. It's kind of then like you couldn't have overlooked this or misread it. It is bullet points impossible to miss. With a bold H2 heading tag saying known flaws.

• 1:11:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's good for sellers and buyers. I mean, yeah.

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  I didn't tell you the doors in the SLR don't all the way.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, you did tell me about the rear view mirror and I think.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Well, I didn't think about it because it was the summertime. So the doors are much better when it's super hot outside.

• 1:11:59Doug DeMuro?

  We're going over SLR.

• 1:12:00Speaker 04

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

• 1:12:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we need to do market report and then we got to move on to questions. A lot of the questions, believe it or not, for some reason.

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 1:12:07Doug DeMuro?

  Apply to you. Just even though we didn't say you were on the pod, a lot of them do.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  As long as they're not the questions you kind of like to ask.

• 1:12:12Doug DeMuro?

  Market report. Uh, I want to talk about.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  Who is it brought by?

• 1:12:16Doug DeMuro?

  Can you go to the, the market report is brought to you by Who's Garage. It's the greatest automotive channel on YouTube. He's got a farm now. There's a silo. A grain silo and in that silo, he keeps his grain there, folks. This is the kind of channel you want to support on the YouTube.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Hey, thanks for wrapping the merch there, the blouse.

• 1:12:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's the silo right there.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:12:35Doug DeMuro?

  Holy crap. This is all the way from Butler County, folks. We're not even in Sedgwick County anymore.

• 1:12:41Speaker 03

  Are you doxing Tyler?

• 1:12:44Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, was that not public?

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  It's fine. It's fine.

• 1:12:46Doug DeMuro?

  I thought everybody knew where this, we had the plates on all the cars.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  Yes, it's fine.

• 1:12:49Doug DeMuro?

  All right, pull up the Evo and then we got to go on to questions.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  How do I pull up the Evo?

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you take, go into there and you type in Evo.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  Evo.

• 1:12:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, now hit enter. Now go down to it. You see the sale?

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:13:01Doug DeMuro?

  We sold last.

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  Wow, that's money.

• 1:13:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, six. Now, this is the best Evo.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  What did you sell yours for?

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  I, well, I gave it away and sort of like.

• 1:13:09Speaker 03

  You buried it.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  Sweepstakes thing.

• 1:13:10Doug DeMuro?

  This is the best Evo, okay? The nine was the last of the old school Evos before the 10 came and kind of screwed things up. Which I actually liked the 10, but the nine is really cool. The MR was the high performance one, super rare. Not many people got it because it had a lot of stripped out stuff that like made the experience worse. And then it's an 8,800 mile car. None are left 8,800 miles. One owner, none are left one owner. However, a $75,000 Evo sale astonished me. I was really, really, really surprised. I, I, obviously really nice ones are desirable and valuable. I did not realize they were reaching this levels of desirability and value. Uh, it's pretty cool.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  My favorite quirk, that is a, that Momo steering wheel, also in a Lamborghini Murcielago.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  See, and I thought the eights could do this, but not the nines. So.

• 1:13:55Doug DeMuro?

  Then I think the community feels that the eights and the nines still had that kind of cool old school Evo thing to them.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:14:02Doug DeMuro?

  And I feel that way too, as a, as a guy who really loves Evos and still wants a six.

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Amazing result though, but you gotta figure this is one of those find another cars. Like you're never gonna find another one owner MR with no miles. It's just not gonna happen.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  I was watching Too Fast Too Furious on the flight. It was on American going up. That movie holds up.

• 1:14:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  That Evo and then the, and the Eclipse. The Eclipse is a joke, but the Evo.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't seen three and up in years, but one and two are great.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  They hold up.

• 1:14:29Doug DeMuro?

  To this day, great content. Your pockets aren't empty. I love that movie. Glad you were watching it.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  It might be my favorite movie. I was thinking about on the plane, like I'm smiling the whole time. I'm laughing.

• 1:14:37Doug DeMuro?

  More than one?

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  I think more than one. I think just because I like the muscle cars and stuff in it and like the, the, it's more diverse as far as, cause it's a little more JDM-y in the first one and I'm, you know, but it has everything in this.

• 1:14:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. That's true.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  It's not the one too where Paul says cuz. Pakistan empty cuz. Don't worry about it cuz, yeah, whatever. And that's at the end, yes.

• 1:14:56Doug DeMuro?

  And it's in Florida.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Number one is number one.

• 1:14:58Doug DeMuro?

  Number one is number one.

• 1:15:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Doug DeMuro?

  There's just too many danger to manifold. There's just too many things.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  Well, that one, they have the gun where like it electrically fries the car when they shoot it.

• 1:15:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I forgot about that.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  So the Evo, he's like sticking out the Evo, like trying to get the thing off and throws it off and he's like trying to electrocute himself and yeah, it's great. It's, it's, it's the best.

• 1:15:16Doug DeMuro?

  Race Wars?

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:15:17Doug DeMuro?

  One is so good. It's just like life changing.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  More than you can afford.

• 1:15:21Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know that the entire Fast and the Furious franchise was based on an article that was written about a guy who like embedded himself in like the nighttime tuner community doing that kind of thing. He wrote an article for like New Yorker and they based the movie on that. And years later, he admitted the article was fake and he did actually do any of the stuff.

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Wow, I didn't know that.

• 1:15:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, um, good stuff. Anyway. Even I, you interested now?

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  I did it. I believe the Evo 10, but it was fun.

• 1:15:48Doug DeMuro?

  That was probably a 35 car and it was new, right?

• 1:15:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:51Doug DeMuro?

  For an MR.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta move on to the questions. Questions are brought to you by April's channel.

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  April's Garage.

• 1:15:58Doug DeMuro?

  April's Garage.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:15:59Doug DeMuro?

  This is a great automotive YouTube channel.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  I, I very much enjoy April's Garage, just collaborating with her.

• 1:16:06Doug DeMuro?

  What does April think about the gullwing?

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  She is very supportive of the gullwing.

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. Does she want an NSXT?

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  Her dream car is the Veyron GNX, ultimate dream car.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  Does she already have one?

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  It's the Grand National one.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, yes, yes.

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  But not the GNX. She wants a GNX, a real, a real boy. Mm hmm. Hard to blame her. That's a cool car. Yeah. I love those things. I love Grand Nationals, too. Uh, okay, first question, I want to get this out of the way from JT921. Doug, the owner of Beyoncine Lincoln is building a Lincoln Bronco G-Wagon, wants to get in touch with you. Everybody on the internet has reached out about this. I understand that this is happening. I- This is where you can be polite. I-

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  Are you gonna say no?

• 1:16:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's not related to me other than he's doing it and he wants to tell me, but, but I, um, I want Lincoln to do it. Like, my whole point in that rant that I did a couple of months ago was I want Lincoln to do this OE. It's cool that people are doing it. I'm sure this won't be the only one. I want Lincoln to go out there and make a G-Wagon.

• 1:17:01Speaker 03

  Like Abraham himself?

• 1:17:03Doug DeMuro?

  (sigh) You're not gonna give, you're not gonna give him crap for that? You're gonna let that go? They're dad jokes. We're all dads here, you know? All right, next question, now that we've done that.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  I agree. OE, it's OE or it's a modded car.

• 1:17:16Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I think the mods are cool and I'm, I'm sure, I hope he does it and does it really well, and I think that's awesome. But I want, my point was not that it could be done, of course it could be done. I want Link, I think Lincoln should do it.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  You know what I'm surprised by on your site? The shocking number of Charger convertible conversions.

• 1:17:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  That look OE. Yeah, Challenger. Yeah, I knew I was gonna say that.

• 1:17:35Doug DeMuro?

  To this day, I think one of my, to me, one of the great mysteries of the entire car industry is that they never did a convertible Challenger. Has this ever hit you? Like- I know, yeah. Why didn't they do that?

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  People are doing it en masse and they look nice.

• 1:17:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Camaro and Mustang both came in convertibles and was a pretty good chunk of sales. They sold the Challenger for 17 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money back on, what, doing a convertible? And also Chrysler was famous for, they had the Sebring, I mean-

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was just gonna say the Sebring, the Solara, like, there's been way [bleep] cars turning into convertibles.

• 1:18:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's not even about the, the, the quality, it's just like, I, I never understood why they didn't do that. It never made sense to me why they didn't do that. You ever, you had a convertible Challenger, didn't you?

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  No, no, I have the Challenger hemmed me right now, the Hellcat.

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  Do you wish it was a convertible?

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  No, actually I don't.

• 1:18:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you do.

• 1:18:20Speaker 04

  I enjoy it.

• 1:18:21Doug DeMuro?

  It never made sense. The next time I'm at a Chrysler event, I'm gonna just straight up ask them.

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  But I think the polite way to say it, like, that's a really cool idea.

• 1:18:27Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  I would love to review it. The traveling's very hard, but I appreciate it. And if you would like to sell it, no reserve on Cars and Bids, I would love to do a video on it.

• 1:18:36Doug DeMuro?

  You think the polite way-

• 1:18:37Speaker 04

  Ship it here and we'll sell it no reserve.

• 1:18:40Doug DeMuro?

  You think the polite way to do it is like, do a plug? Like, do a, sell them on it?

• 1:18:43Speaker 04

  Well, no, like, I would love, if they want to bring it here and sell it on Cars and Bids, please, everyone.

• 1:18:47Doug DeMuro?

  Take the guy and do a little, little, a little 90-degree.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  A little bit of polite salesman-y kind of things, like, hey, the first one, yeah.

• 1:18:56Doug DeMuro?

  This is the CarMax background talking. CarMax got Uvi, they taught him how to sell, sell, sell, sell. He's been doing it ever since.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  200 bucks at a time.

• 1:19:03Doug DeMuro?

  He sold you that SLR.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  Well, Abraham, if you're listening, I'll review it on Nick Rashawn, the second-best HoopD channel on YouTube.

• 1:19:11Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next question from Reed MSS. "Hey Doug and friends, do you get involved in the car shopping process for your spouses? Or do you let them pick the cars they like, even if you might not? I'm curious what your answer is."

• 1:19:24Speaker 03

  So, funny enough, our live now on the Cars and Bids, I'll plug your business here.

• 1:19:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  We picked cars for our significant others. And my wife said, "I watched your video, horrible choices. I completely disagree with everything. In fact, I would not be caught dead in the first choice you had for me." So, I don't. No, my wife, she picks cars based on feel, based on vibes more than anything.

• 1:19:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Speaker 03

  And it's very hard to predict how someone's gonna feel about it.

• 1:19:51Doug DeMuro?

  But the vehicle she's driving is one that you purchased with that, with limited, with limited-

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I bought it for myself and then, like, gave it to her, basically. But had I involved her, it would have taken longer and like, like, no, she needs to make the decision for her. I'll, I'll say like, "Hey, stay away from that car, it's got a horrible reputation." But like, basically just veto power. I'm not gonna pick it, but I will just steer her in the right direction. She's also a better negotiator than I am.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  But I don't understand, you're saying this, but the car she is driving is a car that she had no-

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  It was foisted on her, though. Like, she didn't have a choice. I said, here's a car.

• 1:20:25Doug DeMuro?

  But what you're saying is that you allow her the ability to choose and let her do it. But what you, what actually happened is that you bought a car and pushed it on her. She's been driving it for years now.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, now she's like emotionally attached to it.

• 1:20:36Doug DeMuro?

  What about you? You just buy cars and then April drives them, right?

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  Pretty much. I mean, yeah, and she's such a big.

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  She's got great taste in cars.

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  So you can trust her. It's easy.

• 1:20:43Doug DeMuro?

  Is she still driving that town car you guys bought on the site?

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Yes, the Silver Rose A-Metallic that gets out every once in a while. She, she's in the, uh, right now, cause it's a little cold. She's in the Continental GT, cause the heated seats work. I tried to put her in the Panamera 4S, but it had a little hiccup.

• 1:20:59Doug DeMuro?

  But look at all the cars.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  Bid on 71 cars, 7 wins, 7 wins.

• 1:21:03Doug DeMuro?

  You bid on a car last week, you bid on the Escalade.

• 1:21:05Speaker 03

  For six grand.

• 1:21:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  He needs more Escalade.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  I could bid on every single one, pretty much. I mean, it was never sell for six dollars.

• 1:21:11Doug DeMuro?

  You bid on a C-Class wagon?

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  It was a six-speed manual.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  Super base one?

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  I bid once.

• 1:21:16Doug DeMuro?

  No, that was the only one we got. Uh, okay. I want to do the next question here.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  Oh, there's the winner here, the link.

• 1:21:21Doug DeMuro?

  He bought that on the site. From, oh, from David. I didn't know that.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  A Lotus Esprit, that would have been a great choice.

• 1:21:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You ever have one?

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  Oh, a Supra, Mark IV?

• 1:21:29Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, Esprit, but yeah, Mark IV, awesome.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  But these, a lot of these are just, just fancy bids.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  Was this the car you did the manual swap?

• 1:21:35Speaker 04

  I was supposed to, and then it didn't work.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  It was too nice.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:39Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Here's a great question that is very relevant to you. It's about AM General. From Hercopotamus. Guys, while you debate about whether to import an Avinteam, you're missing the American-made equivalent you can buy right now, the VPG MV1. You know this car?

• 1:21:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Doug DeMuro?

  What a, what a face you could give that they could give the multiple run for the money. What are you waiting for? Buy a VPG MV1, sell it on cars and bids. Have you ever thought about getting an MV1?

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  Not for a moment, no.

• 1:22:10Doug DeMuro?

  But it's, isn't it up your alley?

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 1:22:13Speaker 03

  I would cancel my Uber so quick if that's what it was.

• 1:22:17Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:22:18Doug DeMuro?

  For those of you who don't know.

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  This is why Kenan only rides an Uber Black is cause there's a threat that this could pick him up otherwise.

• 1:22:26Doug DeMuro?

  So true. You know about, you know what this is? Do you know what this is? This is a mobility car. The, the goal was to create a car that was um handicap, disabled accessible. And so uh they, they did. It was, it's a VP, G stands for Vehicle Purpose Group or something like that. An MV1 was the vehicle, and I don't think it exists anymore, but it was like a wheelchair-friendly mobility vehicle. And they, they're around. You see them. Taxis have them sometimes. You see when New York has taxicabs.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  A lot of medical transport.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. It, it looks like a failed bid for a government RP, so that makes sense.

• 1:22:58Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly that. And to that end, they were built at the AM General facility in Indiana, which is of course where your favorite vehicle, the Hummer, came from. You've, you've never

• 1:23:10Doug DeMuro?

  You've never thought about buying one of these?

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  Not, no, not for a moment. What, I, I, what engine is it? That's why. It's probably a four-cylinder, like the Egotek?

• 1:23:18Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:23:19Speaker 03

  Looks like a bad AI hallucination.

• 1:23:21Doug DeMuro?

  Got a big old V8 under the hood. It's rear-wheel drive. It's rear-wheel drive with a 4.6 liter Ford modular V8. Dude, you could termi Cobra swap this thing.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  Could you imagine?

• 1:23:32Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  There's the taxi one right there. That's, that's interesting. So yeah, it's old-school taxicabs back. Yeah, so you saw some of them in New York's taxis.

• 1:23:40Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting. Yeah, you do, even to this day. It is interesting. You're over here talking about how you want Panther platform.

• 1:23:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:23:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's built at the AM General facility, rear-wheel drive, 4.6 liter Ford V8.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  It's probably closer to like a Checker Marathon than Panther platform.

• 1:24:00Doug DeMuro?

  And it looks like it.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  It's not as versatile, you know, yeah.

• 1:24:02Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like a Checker Marathon, too. It is rear-wheel drive. It, this is it. This is, it weighs 6,600, so it's a little portly. But you could do some weight reduction. The wheelchair ramp you could pop out.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  That is an obscure car question, I suppose.

• 1:24:16Speaker 03

  I'll take the Aventine personally.

• 1:24:18Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, okay, this is another great question that I'm glad you're here for. Dear Doug from 63Splitty, I just watched your newest video and I'm excited for the Celestique review, which is actually called Celestique. They don't call it Celestique.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  Noted.

• 1:24:32Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think we could get a little sneak peek of your thoughts? I will give my thoughts, but I'm curious what you think. You're a GM guy. This is a very unusual product. You must be, have some thoughts on it.

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  I'm okay with it. Yeah, I think it's, I mean, if you're gonna have a Rolls Royce Spectre for, how much are those?

• 1:24:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the same.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  Same amount of money and Cadillac and have a Halo car that's electric and, you know, if there's enough hip hop artists that wanna buy it and things, it kinda makes sense if like to have a Halo car, I guess.

• 1:25:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 04

  I'm okay with it.

• 1:25:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay with it. Do you think it's a, it was the right direction as a Halo?

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:25:07Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think it's cool? Like, are you interested in it?

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  No, no, they, I guess, because they do the, I mean, the electric Escalade is pretty much it. They could've just made a, like a super duper version of the electric Escalade and it would've, you know, like a Maybach Escalade.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 04

  I think that probably would've hit a little better, don't you?

• 1:25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that that's a good point that I hadn't considered. I am surprised, given that Cadillac was a pioneer in the luxury SUV space and has been so successful with luxury SUVs, that the decision to make a flagship car ends up with a sedan, and not even really a sedan, it's like a, it's like kind of a hatchback thing, which is cool to me, but I don't know that that design will appeal to everybody. My personal thought, I drove it, and I'll put, the video will come out, and you wanna watch the video because there's a ton of crazy quirks and features to this car, but in terms of my thought on the market position and the driving experience, it was amazing to drive. It drives like a Rolls Royce. It really, truly does. It is incredibly soft, incredibly comfortable. The base sticker price is $400,000, and I have trouble believing that Cadillac as a brand realistically can play in that, I mean, Rolls has trouble.

• 1:26:10Doug DeMuro?

  Selling new cars. And it's hard to imagine that Cadillac gets there, especially with an EV, which I think is even a little bit of a hard stuff.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  I feel like it's hard to like, give it to the right movies or influencers, because there's not this big product placement moment where you can really do that and like, oh my god, look at this. Like, like the R8 and Ironman where everybody sees it. So you can't make something cool enough to, I don't know, or like when, what was the Tom Cruise with the BMW i8, you know, that kind of thing.

• 1:26:34Doug DeMuro?

  How do you make that cool is an interesting thing. How do you get that in front of people and convince them this is something that you should want? I think most people don't even really know about it and it's kind of difficult to, if you're Cadillac, to have that mouth.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  And it's kind of close to the Lyric as far as the, it's a stretch. I mean, it's not, it's not that dramatically different enough where like the R8 was wow and the i8.

• 1:26:54Doug DeMuro?

  Especially because a lot of EVs have kind of a striking design. And so it's not like you look at it and instantly realize that it's a $400,000 car.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  But I, I regret the Lyric, selling it a lot. Because it was the only electric car that I've owned, and I've owned many at this point, just because for the YouTube channels, the only one that felt like, okay, this feels like a nice.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  You replaced the Cybertruck with that, right?

• 1:27:15Speaker 04

  No, Cyber, yeah, Cybertruck went to Lyric, Lyric went to Silverado EV, Silverado EV is the work truck, but the big battery.

• 1:27:21Doug DeMuro?

  You still have that?

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  I still have it. It's 450 miles of range. I never, I never plug it in.

• 1:27:25Doug DeMuro?

  Honestly, Silverado EV is gonna fail. It's gonna be a huge failure, obviously. However, there's, the work truck with the big battery is this like unspoken incredible thing. It has the most range of any EV.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  So I, because I got it for 37 grand, it was an 80 grand sticker.

• 1:27:39Doug DeMuro?

  So for 37 grand, you get 450 miles of electric range.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Doug DeMuro?

  That, that can do anything.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  But it doesn't, it was an 80 grand car new. It has heated seats, has vinyl floors. That's the thing. It's just, heated seats, an 80,000 dollar car, anyway.

• 1:27:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yo, it's crazy. They sent me, they sent me a work truck as a press car. I remember I was like, this is a wild, totally out of whack value prop. But, performance is impressive and EV range is unbelievable.

• 1:28:04Speaker 03

  I haven't driven this Cadillac you guys are talking about, however, I do assume it's supposed to be a Halo car. It's not supposed to be a commercial success.

• 1:28:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Speaker 03

  I don't know if they want to lose money on it, but they're not. It doesn't need to catch on. It just enough people need to talk about it to think about Cadillac is capable of producing a Rolls Royce level vehicle. So I think mission accomplished just in the sense that you were mentioning them in the same breath as this.

• 1:28:26Doug DeMuro?

  I guess, I do think it hasn't gotten around enough. I think it suffers from the LFA problem, which is if the halo car becomes too rarified.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Doug DeMuro?

  It is not well enough known to actually serve as a halo car. And I think that the R8 did an amazing job of not being rarified at all and actually being a really successful halo car because you see him around and it makes you want an Audi. You're never gonna see, you never saw an LFA on the street. Nobody ever did. You never will see a Celestiq on the street. You know, maybe one here and there like an LFA, but it's not, not enough. And I, we are talking about them, but we're also like a very in-car podcast. A regular person knows what an R8 is.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:28:59Doug DeMuro?

  And won't know.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  And all of us would rather have a CN.

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  Probably the last ones to do it, like a Cullinan, the Eurus, the, the Maybach GLS. Those are all ones where like, the normal public's like, whoa, look at that, like that, that, I don't think the, this Celestiq's gonna do it.

• 1:29:16Speaker 03

  I agree. I agree.

• 1:29:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Two more questions, two more questions, two more questions from Reed1971. This is for all of us. Okay. So Jaguar comes to it and says, realizing the rebranding is crap. The horrid stuff they've been, uh, putting out there is crap. Uh, you've been hired as a think tank to make Jaguar have a hundred percent successful turnaround. What would you do? What would you do?

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  We'd go back in time and invent CarMax.

• 1:29:44Speaker 00

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• 1:30:16Doug DeMuro?

  Not Tesla, CarMax.

• 1:30:20Doug DeMuro?

  I think about this, it's an interesting thing. Jaguar has one unusual hamstring that no one talks about, which is that they can't do SUVs like everybody else, because Land Rover already does that.

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:31Doug DeMuro?

  So it's not like they could just show up and start making a full line of luxury SUVs. The Land Rover dealers and Land Rover as a brand would freak out. And so Jaguar is always gonna kinda be stuck not doing that. So as long as SUVs are hottest, Jag's gotta do something else.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  And sedans are dead. And if you want a British sports car, you get an Aston Martin. They're kinda just in no man's land. There's not a

• 1:30:59Doug DeMuro?

  Not that many people want one of those.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. If anything, Aston should buy them and just put them out of business. They are the British sports car manufacturer.

• 1:31:07Doug DeMuro?

  I think what you do, you take the small luxury sedan, you do a version with 600 horsepower and put a giant cat logo on the outside.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, Project 8.

• 1:31:20Doug DeMuro?

  You remember that?

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  I'm super into that.

• 1:31:22Doug DeMuro?

  I still want one of those. That is one of the few cars.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  I do too, but for like 45.

• 1:31:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  Not 200.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think they're 200 anymore. You remember that car?

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  They're deep six fags.

• 1:31:30Doug DeMuro?

  Would you buy one of those?

• 1:31:32Speaker 03

  Big spoiler, it's dumb.

• 1:31:33Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't get one? They did them with rear seat delete.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  There's also the sporting, like the shooting brake ones in 2012.

• 1:31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the XF.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Doug DeMuro?

  What would you do if you're Jag?

• 1:31:45Speaker 04

  I would probably partner with like a Japanese manufacturer.

• 1:31:51Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, that's a

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  Like Honda. And just create a luxury car with like a Honda underpinnings. And then, because their reputation for that is just done.

• 1:32:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:04Speaker 04

  But I guess they Honda already has Acura, but I'm trying to think of some way to just like, hey, so it's this, but and it's 40 grand.

• 1:32:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's interesting. Go to Mazda and say, hey, you don't have a luxury brand, but we have a name. And if you and here's a way to do this on the cheap.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  Decent styling short of the last concept like Jaguars have always been pretty.

• 1:32:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's not the stupidest thing I ever heard, especially because like MG has become a Chinese, like they've there's proof that this is actually a possibility.

• 1:32:32Speaker 04

  Take the Miata and bring back the E-Type with the Miata.

• 1:32:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  You could.

• 1:32:34Doug DeMuro?

  I do think in any in any Jaguar future iteration, a true Halo sports car like the E-Type is an essential, not like the F-Type, but more expensive, more rarefied and probably more exciting in order to at least make it cool again, like something really cool.

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  What if they, I mean, guys, I guess they did it with with Alpha Fiat or whatever, you know, where it was a Miata thing. But what if they stretched the nose a little bit to make it.

• 1:33:02Doug DeMuro?

  You couldn't do a four cylinder. I mean, you have.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  So, but I mean, you get the Miata platform, but you stretch the nose and to get a bigger engine in the front, but it's basically a Miata.

• 1:33:11Doug DeMuro?

  It is an interesting point, though.

• 1:33:12Speaker 04

  Like a CX five and seven, it just.

• 1:33:15Doug DeMuro?

  Just nice.

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it is an interesting point. That's actually not the stupidest thing I ever heard.

• 1:33:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's me putting it politely.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's you not saying no.

• 1:33:24Doug DeMuro?

  Truly, it's not a bad idea. Because, because, yeah, the current iteration is done. And I remember when we, when they announced the new thing and did that video, did you see the crazy video with all the weird people? Everybody's like, oh, they're going woke. They're going to go broke. And my point was they're already broke.

• 1:33:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're dead.

• 1:33:39Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't going to hurt them any more than they're hurt.

• 1:33:40Speaker 04

  This is, this is like the flailing death, you know.

• 1:33:43Doug DeMuro?

  But the name is still valuable. And so to your point, you could take the name and put it to something kind of appealing that maybe isn't as costly to launch, that already has a dealer network.

• 1:33:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, final question, final question, final question, final question. Oh, this is a good one, actually, for you. I'm glad we have this one from Financial Crisis. That's another reason why it's good for you.

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  You don't want financial advice from me.

• 1:34:05Doug DeMuro?

  Doug, I bought a 2001 Boxer S after seeing your original 986 video you did a few years ago. I just reviewed a 986 S a couple of weeks ago. I love that car so much, especially for the money. How often do you have people approach you that have bought a car because of a review you did? And do they tend to agree with your assessment of the car? It happens to me every, at least a couple of times a week. Someone will come up to me and say, I bought my car in part because of you or entirely because of you and your video, whatever. Which is so ironic to me because for years I had to fight the automakers on getting me cars. And people are making purchases on YouTube all day long. They understand that now, obviously. What, do people do this for you? You don't review cars the same level.

• 1:34:42Speaker 04

  Well, because I buy them. So I bought some of my, my YouTube model is terrible because I have to actually buy the cars, unlike you.

• 1:34:48Doug DeMuro?

  But you're still giving a lot of opinions and information.

• 1:34:51Speaker 04

  Yes, and usually I bought this because of you. I'm so sorry. For the most part, that's my standard answer. I'm so sorry that you bought that. It's, yeah, it's a thing.

• 1:35:01Doug DeMuro?

  But people do say it.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  We are influencers. We influence.

• 1:35:03Doug DeMuro?

  We're influencers. We are influencers.

• 1:35:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:35:07Doug DeMuro?

  You've influenced me to say yes.

• 1:35:10Speaker 04

  To try, or you just say no politely, not like, oh, God, oh, God.

• 1:35:14Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know my, do you know my rule about where I'll travel?

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, you can't have a connection, right?

• 1:35:19Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's definitely true, that I won't go north of the Hyundai building on the 405. There's a, Hyundai has its headquarters off the 405 about, I don't know, an hour and a half from here. And if it's north of there, I can't, won't do it.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  Bummer.

• 1:35:29Doug DeMuro?

  Say no. You probably got a rule like that. You won't go to Oklahoma City.

• 1:35:34Speaker 04

  I mean, no, I'll, I'll go anywhere. Yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 03

  He, he will barely come to my house. It's under, it's under much objection and duress.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  When I was sending, yeah, when I was sending you the title and it was in San Diego, it was right, yeah. And I thought, I immediately thought, oh, no, because I just knew that Doug probably just, just killed you for living there. I immediately knew, like, I just felt like the abuse that you're taking to.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  I think it's the best, best part of San Diego one could possibly live in.

• 1:36:01Doug DeMuro?

  I miss you a question. Would you go to Tulsa or Oklahoma City more, like more likely?

• 1:36:06Speaker 04

  Tulsa.

• 1:36:08Doug DeMuro?

  When cars sell with Native American license plates from Oklahoma, who titles those?

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  Oh, um, yeah, I don't know on that one.

• 1:36:16Doug DeMuro?

  You ever go to Joplin?

• 1:36:19Speaker 04

  I had, yes, I go through Joplin quite a bit.

• 1:36:21Doug DeMuro?

  Would you rather go to Oklahoma City or Kansas City?

• 1:36:24Speaker 04

  Kansas City.

• 1:36:24Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Isn't it further?

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  They're the same. They're the exact same distance.

• 1:36:28Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, but Oklahoma City has the basketball team.

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  Kansas City has the Royals and the Chiefs and it's much more of a culture.

• 1:36:34Speaker 03

  What if it's the Missouri side of Kansas City?

• 1:36:36Speaker 04

  Well, they're all, it's all together. They're state line road where neighbors live across the street.

• 1:36:40Doug DeMuro?

  No, but I thought, or different states.

• 1:36:41Speaker 03

  Kansas side of Kansas City and Missouri side of Kansas City are like Bloods and Crips.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  Not particularly. Not, not that I, no.

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  If you're on the border, you might get shot.

• 1:36:51Speaker 04

  Not really. No.

• 1:36:53Doug DeMuro?

  That's, that is not the situation.

• 1:36:55Speaker 03

  I've been there once. I was in Lee Wood, which was, you know, it's like kind of a rough area.

• 1:36:59Doug DeMuro?

  Lee Hood, we call it. Am I right?

• 1:37:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, Lee Hood. And, and I was just warned, do not go near the border.

• 1:37:05Doug DeMuro?

  This is all we know about Kansas, dude. This is what we know about Kansas. We've been through Garden City. I've done I-70 the whole way across. Give me a Kansas fact that, that is interesting. We'll end the pod on it. Give us a Kansas fact.

• 1:37:15Speaker 03

  That's a good ender.

• 1:37:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:18Speaker 04

  There's nothing.

• 1:37:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's not true.

• 1:37:21Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:37:22Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't Wichita?

• 1:37:22Speaker 04

  So, when, okay, when the Arkansas River comes to Kansas.

• 1:37:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:27Speaker 04

  It is called the Arkansas River.

• 1:37:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 1:37:30Speaker 04

  And if you call it the Arkansas River in Kansas, you will be shanked.

• 1:37:34Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, shanked. Wow. Damn. Oh, there we go.

• 1:37:37Speaker 03

  Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

• 1:37:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:37:40Speaker 03

  That's what they say.

• 1:37:41Doug DeMuro?

  That is what they say.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  Before they shoot you on the Missouri border.

• 1:37:44Speaker 04

  I was a, I was an angry husk of wheat. That's my college.

• 1:37:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which is Wichita State, right?

• 1:37:48Speaker 04

  Wichita State.

• 1:37:48Doug DeMuro?

  And then there's also Kansas State, which has this sort of, hard to understand Wildcat logo. I've never really gotten.

• 1:37:55Speaker 03

  I mean, like, half the schools in America have a Wildcat logo, including my.

• 1:37:58Doug DeMuro?

  This one is weird, though. This one is weird. You agree it's weird? It is, yeah.

• 1:38:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:02Doug DeMuro?

  That's what we'll end on. The Wildcat logo is weird. Hoovy, thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure. We get the 300th cell in the office. What an, what an, what an honor.

• 1:38:10Speaker 04

  Thank you. I mean, not once a year is perfect.

• 1:38:14Doug DeMuro?

  That's not very polite.

• 1:38:15Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 1:38:16Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:38:18Speaker 04

  Bye.

• 1:38:38Speaker 00

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