The Snack: Golden Globes, Big D*ck Slander, and Cher vs. Dax

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: The best (and worst) moments from the Golden Globes Tell Me Lies is back Celeb mom group drama continues (the dads clap back) Ashley's review after binging Mormon Wives The murder of Renee Good and unrest in Minneapolis Headlines: Haley and Matt Kalil big dick drama, Cher wants better than Dax for Kristen Bell, Spencer Pratt running for mayor of LA Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Quince: Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at https://quince.com/gge. AG1: Go to https://drinkAGI.com/gge for a free duffel bag and Welcome Kit with your first subscription order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack, the Golden Globes, big dick slander and mom drama continues.

• 0:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the big dick slander.

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Can you imagine?

• 0:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I cannot wait to talk about it. Hi, guys.

• 0:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi.

• 0:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  So the Eagles are, season's over. They lost to the 49ers, was a heartbreaking loss, but I don't know, for people who've been on this journey and it's been a lot of ups and downs, I think there's a sense of relief, like we're, we're done.

• 0:35Rayna Greenberg?

  We're done.

• 0:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  We don't have to stress like this anymore.

• 0:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't really feel like that about the Steelers, because I just know they're gonna lose.

• 0:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so this is a little in advance, but the game's tonight, which I dressed for it, apparently, I didn't mean to.

• 0:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for doing that.

• 0:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you're gonna have some people over?

• 0:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Brittany texted me and was like, can we come over, because she's been packing? And I was like, yeah, come over. And then I texted you, and then I went to Whole Foods and spent $125, like it's the Super Bowl.

• 0:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we hosted for the Eagles game, and my husband, Chunky, wanted to make these birria tacos. We got an Instapot for Christmas from my brother and Steph. And I mean, he went all out, he spent over a hundred bucks on all the stuff. We went to this Mexican grocery store. And yeah, again, it was so much to do for five people.

• 1:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, he is so funny to me. This is the second time he has created a Whole Foods project and then kicked it off to you.

• 1:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's not really fair.

• 1:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  He did do it, he did 99% of it, but he had to go do this thing, and I can't say it. He had some family members who were competing in a thing that's literally, I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that, but if it, if it airs, and I can tell you guys about it, I will, but he went to like a taping thing.

• 1:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I came over.

• 1:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so he wasn't home. I said, everyone come over at 1:00. It was 1:50, he wasn't home. I'm like texting him, do you want me to put the meat in the pot?

• 1:54Rayna Greenberg?

  And we had to FaceTime your brother to figure out how to use a pressure cooker.

• 1:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I still didn't do it right. I still didn't lock it all the way.

• 1:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Who knows how to use a pressure cooker? That's insane. That's like asking me to use like heavy machinery and know how to use it.

• 2:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're so scary.

• 2:04Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 2:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  They, they really are, but the, the birria was...

• 2:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Incredible. Yeah, I think he has a few tweaks, maybe a little more salt.

• 2:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, salt.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  But he packed tacos up for me to take home. He packed a little birria sauce on the side for me.

• 2:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  The salt is a real issue in our house.

• 2:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It is?

• 2:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's, you, you know me, I don't, you're heavy on the salt.

• 2:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm on the other side of the spectrum.

• 2:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  You really are. And I'm pretty, I'm probably pretty centrist, but he's like, sometimes not enough. And so I'm in there over his shoulder fucking salting his shit.

• 2:36Rayna Greenberg?

  You were.

• 2:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, we'll get there.

• 2:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I like a lot of salt.

• 2:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So what are we having at your place?

• 2:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I really went crazy. I obviously got a charcuterie board. So I have three types of cheese and prosciutto and some like crackers and shit like that. I got, um, shrimp cocktail. I got two kinds of like pasta salads and I got sushi.

• 2:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 2:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I want people to feel like they got food. You know, you go to parties like this sometimes and you're like, all I ate was dip and cheese and I feel sick.

• 3:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And you can really only graze on the charcuterie board so long.

• 3:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 3:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Even that, it starts to be like, I've had everything on this six times.

• 3:08Rayna Greenberg?

  And you and I used to get off stage and just house a charcuterie board.

• 3:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, just take it to the face.

• 3:13Rayna Greenberg?

  We had to tell them to please stop giving us charcuterie boards.

• 3:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Okay. Well, that's the thing.

• 3:17Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Thanks to Quince. Get free shipping and 365 day returns on your next order at quince.com slash GGE.

• 3:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to AG1. Go to drinkagi.com slash GGE to get a free AG1 duffel bag and welcome kit with your first subscription order. Okay. So yes, heartbreaking loss for the Eagles, but I guess we'll see what happens tonight. And, um, right after that game, we watched the Golden Globes.

• 3:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So this is our Golden Globe report.

• 3:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let's do it.

• 3:43Rayna Greenberg?

  So Nikki hosted for the second year in a row. Looked flawless.

• 3:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 3:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Unbelievable. She was great.

• 3:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 3:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't know that we were going to get a song. We got a song again this year.

• 3:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I knew we would.

• 3:53Rayna Greenberg?

  You did?

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, she's going to do a song.

• 3:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 3:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's a multi hyphenate. So she opened with a really strong Epstein joke. I thought that was a great joke on the people in the room being on A-list. A-listers, A-list, that was, that was been redacted. It was a really funny joke. And then. All these shots at CBS and I was like, wait, I was like, this can't be on CBS. Like when I was hearing the jokes, I was like, oh, I guess this is on NBC. I hadn't looked. I was like, it took me a minute to realize she's making the jokes.

• 4:26Rayna Greenberg?

  On CBS.

• 4:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  On CBS, which obviously I appreciate even more, but I was a little surprised. She did that. They let her do that, I guess.

• 4:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 4:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I loved it.

• 4:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I loved it.

• 4:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  To be put on blast.

• 4:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think that there wasn't a lot of political stuff in the opening speech. So like, that's where they got their kind of shots in.

• 4:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 4:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think that obviously, what are times not tough these days? So it's hard to not make it that whole, the whole speech.

• 4:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 4:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, but it's not really her content, a lot of political stuff.

• 4:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It was like historically how hard they go. I mean, it's, it is, everything feels disjointed for like what's going on in the world and like to be like laughing and celebs and red carpets and stuff like that. And of course, some celebs went pretty hard on the red carpet.

• 5:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Mark Ruffalo.

• 5:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  On like Minneapolis and everything that's happening and um, Jean Smart, I think she went off on the red carpet. So when she won her award, she just circled back and was like, I said what I needed to say. Please be good people. Just try. Um, and then a few others, but I really thought that was so funny. I laughed out loud at Nikki be jerking. So, so first of all, she says Michael B. Jordan played two brothers and then she was like, can I say that? Which I like laughed so hard and then she said like Nikki be jerking. And I just, I love watching as soon as she mentioned someone's name and the camera goes to them and how they react, because most of these people look so uncomfortable.

• 5:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  What do you think she's gonna do? This is not a roast. You know, like they just, they brace for impact.

• 5:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Every single, but they take themselves so seriously.

• 5:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I'm saying, but some of them don't. And obviously the comedians, Kevin Hart and like The Rock is fine. Claire Danes, she was like ready to laugh. I loved her reaction and like Michael B. Jordan looked fine, but some of the other ones, they look so tense. It's so embarrassing. What do you think she's gonna say? Sean Penn, he didn't even see that coming.

• 6:16Rayna Greenberg?

  He really caught a stray.

• 6:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't even know if I'd say caught a stray. She went, she went in no lube. Why?

• 6:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it was just like, what did he ever do to anybody? I mean, she really, she brought up Charlie Sheen. She called him a leather handbag.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And he just took it.

• 6:32Rayna Greenberg?

  He was right in the front too. Like what did he do to Nikki? Sweet Lord, Sean.

• 6:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  We loved everything she did. It was the first year for podcasting. And Amy Poehler won for her podcast, Good Hang. And I've been saying this, I wish I would have said out loud, I have been saying she is gonna be the new queen bee of podcasting, based on the numbers of that show alone. And she gets all the hugest celebs that the other huge shows get, but I think it's a more fun interview and these clips are so viral and people really love her and open up to her. And she, I think she brings out their humor.

• 7:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Definitely.

• 7:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I've like been saying this, that like, this is the biggest podcast. Now, I think, I think it's going to be like the truly the biggest podcast and then for it to win that award, for him, for her to win the award over her ex, which you love to see it.

• 7:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I love to see her career continuing this way, too.

• 7:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes.

• 7:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause I think you think people are like, okay, she's, I mean, obviously she's produced movies and acted in movies, she's done sitcoms for so long, but to pivot into podcasting and to be the biggest one, I mean, I just love it. And we have the same agent, so we're basically the same, when she's acting for an agent. I was like, oh, there he is.

• 7:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Get us on Good Hang. I would love that.

• 7:40Rayna Greenberg?

  So that was great. There was just like some really fun moments. Can I tell you what I love year after year is watching Kylie and Timo just sit at the table and hold court. They never get up.

• 7:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 7:51Rayna Greenberg?

  People just come over and over and over. Elle Fanning came over and Jennifer Lawrence, people sit down with them. They do not get up. They are not, like, they're not being rude.

• 8:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I don't think Kylie can get up.

• 8:01Rayna Greenberg?

  In that outfit?

• 8:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I mean that respectfully, like, she is suctioned into that. She looked phenomenal.

• 8:08Rayna Greenberg?

  My favorite dress of the night.

• 8:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then, well, at one point, right, he got up. I think he had to. I think he had to go accept his award. And did you see this from the back? So he had his hand on her waist and then he, he had his hand like kind of on her butt and he pushed up on her butt to get up.

• 8:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  He used it as a cushion to push, like, Shoshawn couldn't even grab, like, he wouldn't even, his hand would slip if he tried to put his hand on my butt, like, it was a cushion.

• 8:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Love it. I love her body and her dress. She just looked amazing. But every year, it makes me laugh. They, they're not being rude. People just wanna like come over, kiss the ring, I guess. They're just, they're there, looking amazing. He is aging backwards. He is binging buttoning. I mean, every year, he looks younger.

• 8:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  He looks 12. Like, I don't know. I don't think I could fuck that guy. I'd be like, I'm a pedo.

• 8:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, he looks so young. Every year, I swear to God, he gets younger.

• 8:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  He looks younger than Nick Jonas, which is saying something. That is also like a baby face who just doesn't like the way, whatever's going on in his face, he literally just, they look 12.

• 9:03Rayna Greenberg?

  No, he doesn't look like he should be able to vote. And she's this like curvy mom of two. She looks like an adult.

• 9:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, the same with Priyanka Chopra. Like, it just was a mismatch. I've always felt like those couples look so off to me. But I don't think Kylie's not gonna get up and make the rounds. Like, it's just such an interesting observation that they just sit.

• 9:22Rayna Greenberg?

  They just sit. I think they're being rude. I think people just wanna come over and I think they support each other in like a really beautiful way. She is obviously not in this world, but she's a billionaire and a huge mogul in her own right. And they really like show up for each other in a nice way. I just like watching it. Um, okay, my other favorite moments were, um, I liked watching Rose Byrne on the carpet. Cause she had this green dress and they zoomed out to the whole carpet and everybody is in black and silver and she sticks out.

• 9:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 9:49Rayna Greenberg?

  You just saw her and our friend Taylor, who does like great roundups, Taylor Frost of fashion. She was like, that's a winner's dress. Like, you just, you saw her in a sea of black. And then she got on stage and one of my most favorite moments is she won and she said, my husband couldn't be here. Because we got, what, a baby dragon and he's at a reptile expo in New Jersey.

• 10:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I saw, I think it was at Blakely Thorne's, I don't wanna misspeak, but someone was like, the straights have gotta stop.

• 10:15Rayna Greenberg?

  That is the craziest answer for why your husband could not be there to watch you accept a best actress award.

• 10:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Actors are so weird. I didn't hate, I, I think they're so weird. I think that was so weird. Like, I wish, like, she looks so gorgeous and then it was like, what is this? It's like, are we doing reptilian fashion? Is that the green dress?

• 10:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, it's a nod to the reptile expo in New Jersey that her husband's at.

• 10:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is it really? I just said that. Is it true?

• 10:41Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I'm making this up.

• 10:43Rayna Greenberg?

  But she did get on stage and say, my husband can't be here because this is dumb fucking expo in New Jersey.

• 10:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like literally, it's like straight white people have to be stopped.

• 10:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, what do you think about this relationship though? Because like, do you think, I think this is like, an amazing relationship. Because she's like, Just go do your little reptile thing. Like, she's like, I don't know, kids decide how I feel about it. I love when partners show up for each other. Things are really important and beautiful, nice to watch. And it's meaningful, but I don't know, I can't decide what it says about their relationship.

• 11:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it's fine. I guess I just don't care. But people were saying, people were criticizing Hailee Steinfeld for not being at Josh Allen's game.

• 11:22Rayna Greenberg?

  She was on the red carpet.

• 11:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was in Sinners. I mean, she should be there. Her movie that she's in was nominated. She should be there. That's insane.

• 11:30Rayna Greenberg?

  That's insane.

• 11:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who are you people?

• 11:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess you're right, to your point. We're going to talk about Dax Shepard later. But no matter what you do, people are going to have something to say about your relationship.

• 11:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 11:38Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think their relationship's solid because she wouldn't have said that if she didn't think it was funny and happy about her relationship.

• 11:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yes, totally damned if you do, damned if you don't. Worst part of the night, UFC cameo.

• 11:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Without a doubt. How much did they pay to do that?

• 11:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  So the UFC, this, basically right before the heated rivalry stars came out, they were like, these next presenters are so hot, they're going to need security. And they played this like UFC music and the lights. And then these two fighters, I don't know UFC, so I don't know, they are like as big in that world, whatever. They come out. It was so forced, it was so awkward, no one understood, or clapped, or cheered, or whatever. Like, I feel like our, Ilya and Shane did not deserve that. And it's, the deal's been signed by Paramount, making the network, CBS, the home for all UFC events, $7 billion deal, blech. And so all of the 2026 UFC events and Fight Nights will be available to stream on Paramount Plus. So that's why they, obviously you know that was

• 12:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  like, you knew that was something part of the deal. Yeah, but it was just like, who had to come up with that? And do you think they were like, oh, we're going to eat with this? We're going to have it be like, the heated rivalry stars and needs bodyguard because they're, do you think some, do you think whoever came up with that, the writers in the room were like, this is so bad, but we have to do it? Or do you think they were like? We're gonna cook with this.

• 12:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I think some people thought they were really gonna cook. This is so outside of the box and it's, it felt really misplaced and weird. And no one was like, look, they just did that.

• 13:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  And not the right type of room.

• 13:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, the room felt really weird. It's just the lights and-

• 13:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Those aren't UFC people, you know, like, it was just weird. I hated it.

• 13:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, Nikki could have come out in another beautiful gown and just said something sweet or cute or funny and just intro'd them. I would have liked it more.

• 13:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. So they really, I mean, have been on just a rocket ship to fame. Like, no one really knew of these actors a month ago or two months ago. What Connor story was like, I was waiting tables six months ago or whatever he said. I don't want to misquote him, but yeah, like, I would have loved to hear Nikki speak on Heated Rivalry, not the fucking UFC intro.

• 13:40Rayna Greenberg?

  The jokes about heated rivalry. We were robbed of the jokes about heated rivalry.

• 13:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  So that sucked.

• 13:45Rayna Greenberg?

  That sucked. And then the only other things I have, I loved watching the boy from All Her Fault on the red carpet. He was so cute. His little tux, his little blue tux. And Tiana Taylor gave this really beautiful and passionate speech. And before that, she said, wait until you see the party in the back of my dress. She just made me laugh so hard. She had this little, like, rhinestone bow tie in the back.

• 14:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  She had like a whale tail. And it was like what Kim would wear in All's Fair, which Tiana Taylor was also in All's Fair. Like, that's what it, like, the designer, yeah.

• 14:12Rayna Greenberg?

  And then my last thing was the food. I don't know if you saw the food, but the Critics' Choice Awards got a lot of blowback for the food that they decided to serve last week, which was just like a-

• 14:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  A snack plate.

• 14:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Whole Foods snack plate. And they did Nobu last night.

• 14:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  They did.

• 14:28Rayna Greenberg?

  They did. Three pieces of sushi, a little sashimi, a little salad, a little piece of miso black cod. Food, not a lot of food, but it looked lovely.

• 14:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what people, that's the amount of food they want to eat.

• 14:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yep.

• 14:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, you know you're gonna get roasted if you serve people this snack plate that looks like you get it in a box on a flight.

• 14:45Rayna Greenberg?

  It was two bushels of grapes. It was three different kinds of crackers. It was old sweaty cheese. I mean, it was crazy.

• 14:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Nobu, nice.

• 14:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobu, they got Nobu. So those are my notes on the Globes. It was great.

• 14:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do I just have two quick things? One battle after another, and Adolescence swept a lot of the awards. I haven't seen either of those, so I just didn't care about that. I think Sinners was robbed. And can I tell you that- Something that I think will break your brain, that White Lotus is in the drama category and The Bear is in comedy. My mind has always been blown at The Bear being in comedy. People talk about this. It's like a meme, like, how is The Bear in comedy? Like, if I'm watching The Bear, I'm crying or I'm having a panic attack, right? So that's always been a thing, but the fact that White Lotus is in drama, White Lotus feels more comedy than The Bear.

• 15:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Hundred percent.

• 15:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can you believe those two?

• 15:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I do think White Lotus is more drama than comedy, but if you're gonna put The Bear in comedy-

• 15:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's my point. That's my point. Like, I'm okay with The White Lotus being in drama, but then The Bear needs to be there too, and they need to swap.

• 15:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Now that I'm even further into The Bear, I could not agree with you more. That's crazy.

• 15:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've watched every episode that exists. It's not a fucking comedy. And I actually think White Lotus, under comedy, is totally acceptable.

• 15:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I do too, but, okay.

• 15:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the last thing is-

• 15:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Thank you for educating me.

• 15:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do we need to watch The Pit?

• 16:01Rayna Greenberg?

  So, it takes place in Pittsburgh, which is obviously where I'm from, and I promise you guys I'll add shows there.

• 16:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I was born there. It is a big, like, hospital culture, blah, blah, blah. I don't, um, I don't like medical dramas.

• 16:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't either.

• 16:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm really squeamish about that stuff. I don't, I can't watch any, I didn't watch ER, I didn't, I've never watched a medical drama. I really get very squeamish about it.

• 16:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, but people are so obsessed. Let us know in the comments, you guys. Like, I don't really have a problem with ER. I watched it a little bit. I just never got super into it. Grey's Anatomy, I was never really big in.

• 16:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I watched that.

• 16:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, is it different than those? Like, if we're sitting here saying, really, let us know in the comments. If we're sitting here saying, we're not ER girlies, we're not Grey's Anatomy girlies, will we like The Pit? Tell us why. Cause I'm open to it. I feel like I see people post about it, and I'm like, I didn't expect that. Like, people are obsessed.

• 16:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, it's on HBO, so it is a different, like, level of television, I think, than, like, ER would be, right? Like, a different level of production value?

• 17:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 17:00Rayna Greenberg?

  And maybe it's edgier, I have no idea. What I don't like is the hospital about it. I don't want to see the hospital. That's not a setting I like. I'm with you. I'm with you, but I want to like that show. It's from Pittsburgh. I want to watch it. Have you tried it at all? I tuned in for like five minutes of it and there was like a heart transplant or something. And I was like, it's blood. Too much blood. I don't want it. Okay. Um, all right. But I like, I like that you asked. I am struggling for television. I have nothing. Um, I got, I started the new season of Traders last night. I do think last season was like this crazy flash in the pan. You had Gabby, who was unbelievable and Tom Sandoval and Dylan Efron. This season is Donna Kelsey, which is hysterical.

• 17:41Rayna Greenberg?

  We talked about this before. Isn't it like physical challenges? Yes. And honestly, they had the, the two physical challenges from the first two episodes. It would, I don't, I think Donna Kelsey, they, they might've just let her sit this one out. I don't know. It would have killed her. The first one, they have to get into these boats and row out into this lake and be, and pull these coffins from the lake and then drag these coffins. A little morbid. Drag these coffins up onto the shore and then carry them up a hill and drop them into grave sites.

• 18:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, that is dark as shit. Pull these coffins out of the lake? What? There's dozens of coffins in the lake. And then the next day, they have to take these chariots and drag them back to the castle through the woods in Scotland. They're like, mosh, mosh. I mean, they have to like push these chariots. They look heavy as fuck. Like Donna would die. So she's not doing that? She was definitely part of the first challenge. The second challenge, you guys can let me know if I'm wrong. I, I did not see her a part. I'm not like ragging on somebody for being a certain age. This feels physically not capable for like physically, like not safe for people of a certain age. Yes. She's like up my mom's age. She's grown kids. Like that's what, that's just what it is.

• 18:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, there's almost nobody on that show under 40, which is crazy. But you know, I was like asking a friend of mine. I was like, well, does anybody hook up on the show? And she was like, that's not the vibe. And I was like, do people get like drunk? And she was like, that's not the vibe. And I was like, do people fight? And she was like, that's not the vibe. People like go to bed early and get up and have breakfast. And I was like, what? Oh, no. What is the drama? Sorry. Honestly, cancel this. But thank God, Tell Me Lies started this week. This comes out, it started on Tuesday night, so we will have recorded before it came out. But God, I rewatched the first two seasons. I'm ready. I'm excited. I mean, the cliffhanger from last year was unbelievable. I am actually really curious what they're gonna do with this because I read the book. It's only one book. And the book, I mean, it ends, they

• 19:41Rayna Greenberg?

  do go, they do move to New York in the book. Like every college ends and they move to New York. So if you'll remember the end of season two.

• 19:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do I remember? The most deranged episode of television in history, I would say. That the season two finale of Tell Me Lies, rain or stop. Like, it's burned into my brain forever. I do not need to rewatch. I like can't even, couldn't believe what happened in one episode of television. I'm so ready to watch this season.

• 20:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, but all of those guys are seniors. So you're like, where is this gonna go? Is it December time? You guys will know.

• 20:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they're not in high school. Oh, I'm out. I draw the line at sophomores.

• 20:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  For what I like to watch. You guys know I'm not being creepy. You know, like high school TV shows.

• 20:23Rayna Greenberg?

  As opposed to what you like to date? So, um, there's our guest. We'll, we'll deep dive on this next week.

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• 23:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. So we're moving into our mom segment of the episode.

• 23:31Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, we have a couple of mom.

• 23:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mom group drama and mom talk.

• 23:35Rayna Greenberg?

  So the Ashley Tisdale article in The Cut that she wrote, kind of an op ed about her mom group and the fallout with them. We talked about it last week on the snack and I did not expect this to continue all week.

• 23:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, we were talking about this yesterday. She's not an A-lister, super famous celebrity, but she has been around. She has, she is known. She is a celebrity. And so I don't fault her for writing that and sharing her truth, but you kind of have to know that if you're a celebrity of any kind and you write about a friend group breakup, people are going to be like, who were the friends? So you have to kind of expect that that is going to be the immediate thing that people want to know. Who were the moms? Who were the toxic moms? Let's do a quick search of who she used to hang out with. And now you see it's Hilary Duff and all these people. So like, I just, it's really, I'm not surprised.

• 24:30Rayna Greenberg?

  You're right. I mean, I just was like, where is this going to go? But like, I think people are obsessed with like, celebrities acting like they do, you know? And it's like, all these girls that were wildly famous at a time. So like Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore. And the whole group is famous moms and they're in Hollywood. And of course, it was like, prime to blow up. And that all, like, I will say, I, I do think that, like, the message in that article was important about how women need groups. And, you know, I was talking to a friend of ours this morning who's pregnant with her second child. And she was like, having a community around me is the most important thing in the world I want. I want a village around me. You know, we have to do so much. It's really important. So I think it's important to validate those things can be hard to find and they're important to find. I just, and

• 25:15Rayna Greenberg?

  she, and I will say, she did not drag anybody.

• 25:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  That wasn't her intention.

• 25:20Rayna Greenberg?

  She didn't like, light anybody up at all. But it's crazy to have these pictures available on the internet and think people aren't going to know exactly what you're talking about. And so what happened a couple of days later was all the husbands kind of start getting involved.

• 25:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  All of them?

• 25:32Rayna Greenberg?

  So Hilary Duff's husband is the one who put out the main, like, statement. And he basically, so funny, he put out, I thought he did an article with The Cut.

• 25:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  He wanted to make it seem like, this was just on his story. So Matthew Koma, who's Hilary Duff's husband, posted on his story, this photo of him. Was, is it his head, his head on her body?

• 25:52Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I think it was him.

• 25:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 25:54Rayna Greenberg?

  But it, it said like my response, dad's response to the cut. And it said, we're the most self-obsessed, tone deaf person on earth. Other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers. I mean, actually, I have to tell you, I spent 20 minutes looking for this article and.

• 26:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it was vague. Yeah. So it's, yeah, I know, it's kind of hard if you're having trouble following along. It's a little confusing. I mean, bottom line is he just called Ashley Tisdale self-obsessed.

• 26:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Self-obsessed, tone deaf.

• 26:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Like basically saying she was the problem in the mom group.

• 26:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Defending his wife. I don't know. I always have mixed feelings of a male partner jumping in.

• 26:29Rayna Greenberg?

  They're all kind of trading like light shade now, you know, Meghan Trainor and Mandy Moore and.

• 26:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Light shade. Well, Meghan Trainor posted a TikTok that was like, I don't know what's going on. Basically, she kind of was, I want to be excluded from this narrative vibes.

• 26:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Her husband was like, all good over here.

• 26:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So it's mainly Hillary Duff's husband, which does make you think Hillary Duff was the ringleader of all of this shit.

• 26:51Rayna Greenberg?

  We called.

• 26:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which we did, because Meghan Trainor was like, leave me out of this shit. So, and then Mandy Moore, we were talking about her last night when we were hanging out with some friends. Like she, what, last year on the fires, she was super tone deaf about stuff like.

• 27:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, a couple of things happened.

• 27:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Whatever, but it's, it's, I'm just having fun watching, you know, like, cause this is, no one's getting hurt. And I mean, people's feelings, I guess, but it's, it's fascinating to watch.

• 27:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess it's kind of short sighted of Ashley Tisdale to think I'm going to make this very public statement. And these photos are publicly available and no one's going to say anything like, I don't blame people for wanting to defend themselves publicly.

• 27:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Rayna Greenberg?

  You're like making comments about me being this mean girl and it's very clear that you're talking about me.

• 27:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 27:30Rayna Greenberg?

  But the husband's getting involved. I don't know. I just, I think it's well intentioned. I think people are like, you publicly dragged my wife and I would like to stand up for her. I think it's well intentioned, but I just feel like it adds unnecessary fuel to the fire. Like I would, I want my partner to back me up in private and let me speak in public.

• 27:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm with you. I think it makes it look worse for Hillary Duff. I think it makes her look like she was the ringleader. Like if this happened to us and someone left the friend group and wrote this thing and people figured out it was about us. I think I'd let it lie. I think I'd be like, as a person, if you've followed along and you consume our content, you know, what kind of friend I am, you know, like. People feel excluded for various reasons. Again, I'm not saying, I don't know what went on behind closed doors. And I just feel for anyone who feels like Ashley Tisdale feels, but maybe she was a problem. Who's to say? I said this last week, maybe she was annoying. But I just wouldn't, I'd be like, I don't care. Like if people, some people on the internet are

• 28:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  saying like Ashley and Rayner were, are mean and excluded somebody. It's like, I just don't think I'd feel the need to respond. I'd be like, ah.

• 28:33Rayna Greenberg?

  This is beneath me.

• 28:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's beneath me. And like, I'm just gonna be over here living my life and y'all don't know. And I don't know. I think, I don't think it would bother me that, that much unless, of course, someone named me by name and said things that I weren't true.

• 28:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure. I don't know. I think to me, like, a partner gets involved, it like escalates the conflict. It's a pile on. Like, that's not the primary relationship at play here. I don't, I would be embarrassed if my partner did that.

• 28:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. A hundred percent. Yes. Let me just, that is my final answer is like, I would be like, babe, do not stop. This is looks so petty. Like, just let's not roll around in the mud.

• 29:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Looks like I sanctioned this, but she probably did. I knew Hillary be the leader of that shit.

• 29:16Rayna Greenberg?

  And I hope they make up for one, because I told you, I think that they should play us in like a movie about our lives. Ashley Tisdale's you and Hillary, Hillary, that was me.

• 29:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 29:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I hope they make up so they can do our movie.

• 29:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like, nobody wants this, but with the cast.

• 29:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 29:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  So that's what's going on with the toxic mom group. So let's move on to mom talk.

• 29:37Rayna Greenberg?

  The secret lives of Mormon wives.

• 29:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I don't want to go too hard, because this show has been over for months. But I, I'm almost done with season three. I only have a few episodes left. So I'm really sorry that I couldn't finish before this. But I really just, we gotta get this out of the way. We gotta, I just need to.

• 29:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Filling at the mouth. I know, you need it.

• 29:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I'm pretty proud of myself. It's, it's, this was my New Year's goal. And it's January 12th as we record, and I'm almost done. And I feel like you and our other friend, Anushka, were like, you can't start now. And I'm like, watch me. Watch me.

• 30:09Rayna Greenberg?

  People have been telling you to watch this. You got a little testy yesterday when I said, people, people have been telling you to watch this for years.

• 30:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I had a really busy year last year.

• 30:17Rayna Greenberg?

  You couldn't add it to your plate.

• 30:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  So this isn't my favorite show.

• 30:22Rayna Greenberg?

  So weird.

• 30:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, um, first of all, I think that these streaming platforms do reality so well. You know, I was never a Bravo girly. I never got into Housewives and there's various reasons, but just the way things are shot, they're beautiful, the way they're edited, the opening song with the montage, like, I'm so into it. We said that about the Kardashians, when they moved over to Hulu, it just looked better.

• 30:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 30:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  But, I mean, this is really, like, to watch this show straight and watch it evolve in one sitting, basically, in a two-week period is what a treat. It's just a different experience than you're gonna have when you're watching it live. And it really is like my comfort show. Like, I was feeling kinda down the other night and I put it on. Like, I just felt better. Like, this is my family.

• 31:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, I'm fascinated with Mormon culture. Like, and that's why I was saying, like, you know, when I go to, when I performed in Salt Lake, like, I talk about Mormon stuff. Like, I'm fascinated, so many things about the culture. I'm fascinated by the loopholes. I'm fascinated by soaking and docking and all the ways they get around sex and the, some of the other stuff. Like, they can't drink coffee, but they can put it in their buttholes. Like, you can do a coffee enema, but you can't drink coffee. You can't drink coffee, but you can mainline Mountain Dew. You can't drink alcohol, but you can get Botox and laughing gas. Like, I find these things fascinating.

• 31:33Rayna Greenberg?

  It is.

• 31:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  To watch. And, I mean, there are really dark themes. I mean, so many of these women have been abused or sexually assaulted. And, you know, I find some of their stories so powerful and their strength so powerful. And overall, it is an empowering show for women. I mean, are people, do people say it's not?

• 31:54Rayna Greenberg?

  No. I mean, I think that-

• 31:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause they're trying to be. They talk about it a lot. They're like, we're trying to empower women. That is our goal within Mom Talk. And I wondered if there was, like, a discourse of being like, oh, please.

• 32:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I've never seen that. It is funny when they say Mom Talk is to empower other people and it's like, all you guys are doing is voiceovers and dances. So like, there's a lot, and obviously ripping each other to shreds on the internet. So there, it's sort of funny to listen to that all the time. They're like, this is not what Mom Talk stands for. But, yes, I mean, the first season, you see this show where, like, these women have been, like, really deeply negatively affected by men and religion and the, and the community that they've grown up in. And yes, they have been really, like- Held down and the attitudes about sex and working like are so backwards to me. And it's unfortunate what these women have had to go through. But like over three seasons, you see them, every single one of them is the breadwinner. They all have businesses, they have written books and started new companies and like watching like,

• 32:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I know that like Whitney has had like ups and downs throughout the show, but the first season, she's talking to her mom about like using a vibrator and it's like, that's a huge barrier that she has broken for other women in these cultures.

• 32:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, that's the overall thing. And yes, TikToks and dancing and voiceovers, but it's, it is so much more than that of what they're doing and showing women that you can be and you can break free of these barriers and the church. I mean, they're all on a spectrum too, and some do drink and obviously sex out of wedlock and all that stuff. And it's like, you're watching it, trying to figure out, are they going to church? Not really, right? Like some of them sort of identify as Mormon, but I mean, there's a spectrum on the whole show, I feel like.

• 33:27Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a big buffet.

• 33:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they all still do identify as Mormon?

• 33:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's sort of, I mean, I don't know, I don't, so like growing up in a very Jewish community in Pittsburgh, like part of my life and my identity of being Jewish was religious based, but more of my identity being Jewish was just more about like being in the community and around other people. And there's certain ideals about being a Jew. It was less about like, you have to go to synagogue at these days and times. So I don't know if being Mormon is a little similar. It's just like, it's the whole community is similar.

• 33:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I get that. I think the biggest thing for me was I didn't know what to expect for any of these women. Like namely Taylor, Frankie, Paul. So I had never, I don't know, I just, I don't watch the show. So I was never consuming content. I don't even know if I'd ever seen her in an interview. What I thought about her, I thought that she was going to be this like leader, this baddie, like this super confident person. And like season one is this like tortured, unhealed.

• 34:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Young woman with two children and another one on the way and she can't seem to regulate her emotions and she has so much trauma. She's not self-assured. She's not confident. She's only an enemy to herself. She's not like, I kept thinking like, she's an enemy to no one but herself. And I was like, is she ever gonna fall into like a leader role? I thought she was the ringleader of the whole thing. And yes, she kind of did start it technically, but I didn't think she would. I was like, this woman is like, has no self-assurance. And I like to watch her grow. I just love her so much. I know, like, she just, I think she acts out sometimes too, but she truly seems to embody this do unto others as you want done unto you. And she's constantly the only one that's really like, I didn't

• 35:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  like when this happened to me and I'm not gonna do it to you. Like, I love watching her. I mean, her relationship's fucked up, but you know, it is what it is. I like watching her with her mom. I like when the mom gets involved and fucking shows up on her behalf and calls people. Like, I just like, love her so much. And the way that I've watched this and binged this, the like, way that my feelings have changed on these people, like-

• 35:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I told you it's gonna be a roller coaster.

• 35:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Demi, I loved her season one. I don't think I've ever loathed a character this much since Christine Quinn. Raina, is she the worst villain on reality TV?

• 35:42Rayna Greenberg?

  She is-

• 35:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  So hateable.

• 35:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it's not just, I love that we're talking about this after the show's over. Demi, to me, is such a villain because she has accused people of very terrible things that are horrifying things that actually other women have gone through, like, physical assault and sexual assault. And I'm not saying that maybe those things haven't happened to her. I have no idea. To make very public statements about people's, other people's, I mean, fathers. I mean, she said Chase put his hands on me. That's, that's the father of somebody's children. Like, to accuse people of doing these things, assaulting you, it's, it's highly unethical. It lacks a moral compass. I don't understand it.

• 36:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she's awful. And I knew that was gonna happen, but I was like, when's it gonna happen? And then you see it start to happen, obviously, in season two. And Raina, I've never seen a redemption arc like Zack. I couldn't even watch him season one. I couldn't watch him. I was like, I hate this person so much. I get him off my TV. And you were like, he'll, he, there's gonna be a redemption arc. And I was like, I, I, I will not believe it. Even season two, I was like, wait, is he the best husband?

• 36:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, the other one-

• 36:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is he the best dad talk?

• 36:49Rayna Greenberg?

  He just like cools that, cools down.

• 36:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did therapy, I mean, they worked out their shit.

• 36:54Rayna Greenberg?

  And I also, listen, I don't, I think that, you know, the stuff that you do is your responsibility, but like, you forget that these people, I mean, he was 22 years old when they started filming that show. He was a kid.

• 37:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Their ages, I'm always-

• 37:06Rayna Greenberg?

  And he was, he was brought up in the Mormon church, around people that said like, this is how women should be, and this is how men should be. And I think he just grew up. I don't know.

• 37:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, I love him. I love them. I love, I didn't, she's, I just, I'm a fan of the, of them as a unit. Okay, now I'm gonna do my power ranking, and then we'll call it. Okay, so I just, I'm, I'm curious if you're gonna align with me.

• 37:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, listen, I couldn't be more thrilled that you finally got into Mormon wives.

• 37:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, should I go from my fave to my least fave, or should I start at the bottom?

• 37:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I think you start at the bottom. And I do want to say about Taylor, she is still the most famous, and she is the one that like, did all these interviews and put herself out there and made all these TikToks about like, her, her marriage ending, and having these, like, this open marriage, and these orgies and stuff. So like, she, I think that, like, people, this idea of her as being like a baddie, and like, putting people in their place, but really, she's just the most famous, and she started all this.

• 37:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah, like, this is because of her.

• 37:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 37:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which Demi just didn't seem to recognize.

• 37:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, Demi is really crazy.

• 38:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, bottom, Demi.

• 38:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure, obviously.

• 38:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Second, least fave, Whitney. Am I, is that everybody, don't we all agree?

• 38:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, so she, it was really fascinating, because people hate her so much in Mormon wives, but such a huge character arc on Dancing with the Stars. But people don't hate her as much because she is just like, I am what I am, I'm honest about what I am.

• 38:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just, there's so many things about her. She's so martyr-y, victim-y, I don't know, there's just like, I just can't, like, oh, oh my god, oh, oh, like, I just can't. Okay, next. Again, up from here, I don't have a problem with these people. I just had to rank them. So then we get into Jen. I feel for Jen.

• 38:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, just in the middle.

• 38:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Miranda, it's fine.

• 38:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Fine.

• 38:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 38:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, they don't, she doesn't really have a story.

• 38:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 38:44Rayna Greenberg?

  She's there because she had sex with Taylor.

• 38:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, now you're in my top five. Okay, so fifth, Leila. I like Leila. I've liked watching her growth. I just, I don't, she's really, she feels, she feels really young to me.

• 38:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, but obviously I'm fine with her. Next, we have Michaela. She's in my fourth slot. Third slot, see, the top three, I'm curious if you're going to align with me. But my third fave changed a little bit. It's Macy.

• 39:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, because you really rode so hard for Macy.

• 39:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did. I really rode so hard for Macy, and she's an unproblematic queen, and I, I love her, and I cry with the stuff with her, uh, former partner that died and all that. Second is Taylor Frankie Paul.

• 39:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, okay. We're giving Jessie the number one spot.

• 39:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  My favorite Mormon wife is Jessie.

• 39:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I wish you would have seen when her and DeMe were going back and forth dozens of story slides. It was all day, every day. Like, you missed.

• 39:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did it make you think different?

• 39:37Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it made me think, like, this is just amazing to watch.

• 39:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I, that's my queen. And she really was not, she, when she was besties with, to me, she wasn't. But when she cut to me off, I think she's so honest, and she's the baddest businesswoman of them all, and she's got her hair empire, and she just feels really, like, smart and well spoken, and I feel for her. She's, like, insecure about her looks. I'm like, you're so hot. And, you know, I wish we would have met her at Lady World, because she was there, and I didn't know her then. I didn't know she was my queen.

• 40:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I don't disagree. I love all these women. I mean, I think that they're really brave. I think that the stuff that they admit on national television has, like, changed other women's lives. To talk about, like, the struggles in their marriages, the verbal abuse in their marriages, the sexual abuse they've experienced, like, what these women have gone through, and then they will talk about on national television, is, like, so important to other women.

• 40:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I think I'm like, who would I be friends with? And Jessie just seems, she is one of the older ones. She's in her 30s, but she just seems older.

• 40:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, who's your top three faves?

• 40:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I think those are my top three. I don't know who else it would be. I mean, I just, like, I love, I love Taylor. I root for all of them, honestly, except for DeMe.

• 40:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, I'm gonna finish season three. Shashank's been watching. He's involved. He says the funniest stuff. Like, he'll say stuff and I'm like, I wish I could capture that and we are not that kind of couple for for him to redo it. But the stuff he says just naturally, and what he's been saying recently, just all the time about everything. He's just like, women are so sick. Women are so sick. Like, he just says it all the time. Like, the way we communicate, like, he just is like, women are just the best. Like, he's never not just amazed by us. But I like when he, like, the way he would talk about that show. He's like, these guys, how are they treating their partners like this? They're like, they're the breadwinners and their babes. Like, what are these guys thinking?

• 41:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It's actually pretty crazy.

• 41:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 41:32Rayna Greenberg?

  It's really crazy to watch. Um, all right. Well, I'm glad that you're involved in my show.

• 41:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  So am I gonna, am I gonna stay like this through the end?

• 41:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Forever, until the end.

• 41:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like, nothing's gonna change in the last few episodes. Like, we're gonna kind of stay in this like,

• 41:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  In terms of who I like and everything. I'm not, I'm not gonna turn on any of my faves.

• 41:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, no. Taylor, if anything, becomes even nicer. She's more inclusive of people and she seems like, yeah, you will, you're gonna see Dakota do something really terrible to her. But other than that.

• 42:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. All right. I'm not like a Dakota apologist, but you don't see these guys act that bad on TV.

• 42:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 42:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  They keep, they really, they come across, I don't like Jesse's, whatever his name is.

• 42:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Jordan.

• 42:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jordan. Like, but the other ones, like, don't come across that poorly. I know it's like behind closed doors.

• 42:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, Jordan and Dakota are the ones that are so bad behind closed doors. And they're just like liars and they're so manipulative and they're so toxic. And so in interviews, like, they did one together, Jordan and Jesse, and she was talking about how he, like, recorded stuff about her having an affair with Marciano and was threatening to blackmail her. And every time she would say something he didn't like, he was like, don't make me press this button and send it out on Twitter and that kind of stuff. Like, really manipulative, sick stuff. Dakota has, like, cheated on Taylor a lot and he's really manipulative and lies to her a lot and gaslights her and

• 42:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like I'm a Macy's husband kind of gal. Like, I just feel like he really helped her heal from

• 42:53Rayna Greenberg?

  He doesn't bother anybody. He doesn't do anything.

• 42:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly.

• 42:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Doesn't bother anyone. He is tall.

• 42:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's, look, he's not bad looking.

• 42:58Rayna Greenberg?

  He's cute. He's never done anything wrong.

• 43:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jordan is T. Moo Spencer Pratt.

• 43:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Wow.

• 43:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's not, that's his energy.

• 43:07Rayna Greenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 43:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like a, our future mayor.

• 43:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Stop, don't. Okay. All right, well, we'll do some headlines and we'll send you guys back out into the world.

• 43:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Right now, I feel so bad that I just sat here and did that for the last 15 minutes.

• 43:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I told you not to.

• 43:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I asked you not to do this.

• 43:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Do what?

• 43:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Talked so long about this.

• 43:27Rayna Greenberg?

  But it's, it's my favorite reality show. There's never, there has never been another one this good.

• 43:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  You didn't ask me not to. I said I wouldn't and you said, okay.

• 43:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Maybe in my mind I thought that.

• 43:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  An hour later.

• 43:39Rayna Greenberg?

  It's my favorite reality show. I love these women. I love what they've done. I think it's so brilliant. I can't, I hope it never ends.

• 43:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Raina's gonna talk for the whole rest of the episode about all these headlines. That sounds so bad.

• 43:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay. So actually, this has been an ongoing story and we did not talk about it before, but Haley Khalil, who is Haley Bailey, um, on Instagram, she basically made public statements about her ex-husband, Matt Khalil, having an enormous member. She said it was the size of two Coke cans, that they basically saw like doctors to figure out like how she could possibly fit that inside of her. She's a huge Instagram following. She's millions of followers. Um, so this did go out to a lot of people.

• 44:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah. And he, he's six years in the NFL. He played for the Vikings or the Panthers. If you guys are curious like who these people are and she's like an influencer type person. I mean, again, these aren't people that I knew about before this came out, but I'm like, oh, I'm invested now. She's saying, she said, I mean, they, she said they couldn't have sex. And it was a problem. I think it's interesting. They got married. You, you know that you can, you know the size of the dick. You know, it's like they waited till their wedding night. So basically now he's pushing back.

• 44:45Rayna Greenberg?

  So he is suing her for like defamation essentially. Um, he said it's created unwanted attention and invasive commentary from the public. His family members have been forced to endure ongoing public circulation of these degrading and deeply personal statements.

• 45:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, okay. My question is, did he wrong her? You know, like, I don't know what happened in this relationship. Like, if I ended a relationship on good terms, I don't think I'd want you running your mouth about how tight my pussy is. I mean, maybe I would. I just, I don't think I want you talking about my body, no matter what. And not everything is, but what if women, what if men? But I'm just saying like, I think he has a point if they ended on a, in a good place, like it, I don't, it's not vengeful because it's like a compliment, but it's like, I can see where he's like, can you stop talking about my, my dick? Like I thought we were cool, but maybe they weren't cool.

• 45:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I actually, I don't know. I can't speak to it. I, um, I have followed along with her for a long time. I like her content. She is silly. She's smart. She's really funny. She's self deprecating very much. Like it is very much in line with her content that she would be like, my ex-husband's dick was so big, I couldn't take it. Like, that being said, you're also welcome on the other side of things to say, I would like you to not talk about my private, my private part. He's remarried. He has a child with somebody else.

• 46:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, really?

• 46:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So I, I can see, I can see anybody. Yes. This is the most like, but what if a man did this? It's, it, the argument is the most I've ever seen for like, you know, if anybody talked about anybody's body publicly, they wouldn't like it.

• 46:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. It's just like, it's complimentary in societal norms to have a big dick. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like she said he had a small dick. That's totally different.

• 46:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 46:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I, I can't decide. Like, again, I'm not familiar with her content. If you married me and we couldn't fuck because your dick was too big and we got divorced, you would know, I'm a comedian, you would know that that's going to be the headline. I'm going on every podcast, I'm talking about it.

• 46:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Name your next special, Too Big.

• 46:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, yes, you know what you signed up, two coke cans. You know what you signed up for. So I don't know. It's like, should he just, I don't know. I don't, I don't know her intention because it's not an insult, but she's still talking about his body. So it's, I think I find it pretty interesting.

• 47:01Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, I don't know how much are we allowed to speak about our previous relationships? Cause like, I guess you could also defend it by saying like, well, people were asking me what the problem was. That was the problem. I'm not, I'm not calling him an abuser. I'm not saying he cheated on me. I'm saying like, physically, we couldn't get the job done.

• 47:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I guess he's just like, God, like my mom is asking me. Like I, I think he's just embarrassed. I'm not defending him. I have no idea what went on in their relationship, but I just wish I could get inside of her head. Like, how did this end? Cause I just feel like if things ended amicably, you typically don't bring up that, those intimate details.

• 47:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I wonder if somebody's just like, I don't feel like I'm insulting you, but you're also welcome to be insulted, you know? Like, like she's like, wait, I'm out here hyping you and your giant cock. Like I can also see her being like, wait, what? You're suing me? You should be paying me. Like, also, this is one of those things, like, if you didn't make this a thing, I mean, he's not, he was obviously an NFL player for a long time, he's not Tom Brady.

• 48:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, if he didn't start, if he didn't start no shit, there would be no shit.

• 48:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 48:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so she basically claims she's exercising sexual sovereignty by truthfully describing a sexual experience.

• 48:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 48:15Rayna Greenberg?

  And again, it's not a sexual experience that pates him, I mean, he's welcome to-

• 48:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're gonna get sued for this. You better learn up on sexual sovereignty right now.

• 48:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like, sexual sovereignty, remember it for the tour.

• 48:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I have talked, I'm talking about a couple people, one that will specifically sue me immediately, so I have changed a bunch of details-

• 48:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  You better lawyer up.

• 48:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Changed a bunch of details.

• 48:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  You better talk to Haley Bailey, get her legal team.

• 48:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I only drag one person sexually and there's no way to know who that is, and it's not even like dragging him, it's just like, a little, a little light date, a little light.

• 48:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, okay, should we move on?

• 48:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  To Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell and Cher, the trio you didn't see coming. And basically Cher went on their podcast, or she went on Armchair Expert and just kind of threw a dig, like, maybe Kristen sees something I don't see, like, I don't think you're good enough for her, kind of vibes, and it was lighter than that, you know, of course, the media's gonna pull these headlines and make it sound like it was scathing, but it felt lighter in the room, I watched the clip, and then he has since been asked about on the red carpet, and he was, like, laughed it off, but we wanted to talk about it, because I get served a lot of content on Kristen and, Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard, and I think more since that post she posted where about him killing her and stuff, than I think I was just getting served it more, and I think people just kind of started to turn on them as a couple.

• 49:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I never really had any feelings about them, I thought they were kind of weird, they would talk about not bathing their kids, and they would overshare, and I didn't care, and I just didn't really care about them, but-

• 49:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 49:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  The more I get served stuff about them, the more he-

• 49:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Really, you're not like into him?

• 49:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's just so arrogant, like the way they speak about their relationship. Like I watched this, people really hated his interview with Jonathan Van Ness. He really was like harassing him about trans people and rights and things like that. People kind of turned on him there. Like, he just doesn't come across like a, a good guy. And when they talk about their relationship, I saw this one clip of her talking about their relationship. And she said, we don't really, we hardly ever agree on anything. And I was like, that sounds like hell. That sounds like actual hell. Your, your spouse, the person you spend all your time with, you live with, you just don't usually agree on anything. Like, I think typically you want somebody, you agree on most things and the things you don't, you work through them. Like, they're that couple that's like, marriage is so hard and it's an uphill battle and it's torture every day, but I love you.

• 50:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, they're the epitome of that. And he, the way he talks about her, he's like, I didn't really know if I wanted to be with her at first. Like, he talks about their relationship like he's the prize and I hate that. And whatever he looks like recently is like no longer like quirky Dax Shepard. He looks like scary to me.

• 50:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess I digest it a little differently.

• 50:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay.

• 50:57Rayna Greenberg?

  He actually took Cher's comments pretty seriously in the interview. Wanted to like dig in and really like unearth what she meant, what she was talking about. He ends it by saying, I'll tell you the thing that you should like about me. I'm not threatened by her shining. I love it. The shinier she gets, the better. So, fine, that's nice. I, I wonder if they're just the kind of couple that suffers from this. These things are funny privately between the two of you, do not read funny in public. And like, that whole comment about like, I, I didn't, what was it about him murdering her? Like, I didn't strangle you and people should congratulate me?

• 51:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm incentivized to kill you, but I'm not going to. You know, we thought that was like a dark joke, like it was poorly timed and it was a kind of a mess. But I just don't, I don't like what I've been seeing. And I think he really thinks he is the prize and the way they talk about their relationship, it just, it, I couldn't be me. Like, the way they talk about, they blackout when they fight and they fight all the time and it's so hard. And, I mean, I guess it probably makes people feel seen, but it sounds toxic.

• 51:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you just don't see people really like talking about their private relationships like this.

• 51:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 51:57Rayna Greenberg?

  And I think that they make jokes that are supposed, that are funny in private and maybe to their friends who like, know that they really do love each other, if that's the case. Like, they don't digest it like that and so you think it's funny on a public platform. But like, all people hear is you kind of dragging your wife or saying how hard the relationship is or that you guys, what was it? They said they don't shower.

• 52:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  They don't bathe their kids till they start to smell or whatever. However, whatever you don't want to do with your own kids is your business. But yeah, the way they parent, people criticize, but I don't know. He is really x me out now. He looks a good, like, scary villain, like cartoon dog. And he's like really jacked. I don't know. I used to think he was like quirky and funny and people still like them. I saw a post of them yesterday and people were like, oh, mom and dad. Like, people still ride for them. But I think people have seen things they really don't like. And especially with the Jonathan Van Ness interview and various things that are like, he's just not what we thought he was. But you know, whatever.

• 52:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I can see, I mean, I just, I don't think people publicly enjoy watching anybody even sort of say something negative about their partner. Didn't need to be said. What's the point of this? I understand behind closed doors, we all can be self-deprecating and shit on our partners. And it's hard to be with somebody for a long time. It's hard to have kids with somebody. It's annoying. Men are annoying. But I don't know. You just don't see people make like, public comments without a lot of context around it. Like, what's the point of this? What are we doing here?

• 53:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So I stand with Cher.

• 53:20Rayna Greenberg?

  And always.

• 53:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And Spencer Pratt is running for mayor. Is he really?

• 53:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, he really is.

• 53:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of, at Los Angeles, by the way.

• 53:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Of Los Angeles. He, I guess, I mean, what's his name?

• 53:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's a registered Republican.

• 53:36Rayna Greenberg?

  So he's a registered Republican. However, he said, there's, there's nothing about me you're ever gonna find that you didn't know. I mean, you can find every piece of information about me on the internet. I am a registered Republican. I'm gonna run as nonpartisan. And I really like that he said that. I like that.

• 53:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  You really, or are you in support of this?

• 53:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Who cares? You know? Who cares?

• 53:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, what's People have issues with the mayor. I don't know. I don't need to get into like California politics right now.

• 54:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think everything is a shit show. So I don't know. Who fucking cares at this point? I mean, I care. I live here. But he said, it's a nonpartisan race. I won't be Democratic or Republican. I will serve either party. I will only work with anyone who wants to help the city. No labels necessary. I love that message.

• 54:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 54:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I think we need more of that today. More nonpartisan unity.

• 54:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know enough. So I'll do my own research on this one and get back to you guys. I just haven't seen him speak about it. I haven't read enough think pieces about it to, TikTok hasn't told me what I think yet.

• 54:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Right. Read a book, watch a TikTok.

• 54:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  So anyway, that's what's

• 54:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Do I really, I don't know. Who's to say? Everything's a mess. I don't fucking know.

• 54:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, we'll keep you guys posted. That's gonna be our next mayor.

• 54:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not crazy about our current mayor, so, but I'm not saying I'm in support of Spencer Pratt either.

• 54:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm a-

• 54:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe we'll run.

• 54:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we should run. We should co-run.

• 54:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Co-run.

• 54:54Rayna Greenberg?

  That'd be so fun.

• 54:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. I don't want another job.

• 54:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Co-mayors.

• 54:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't really want another job.

• 54:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, that's fair. You be the mayor. I could be like the co-mayor.

• 55:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that's cute.

• 55:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Like the first lady of mayor.

• 55:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 55:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I could like pick the cabinet and we could like pick each other's outfits and that'll be fun. Well, we are just gonna close with something a little more serious, just we are talking about politics, but you posted something really meaningful and beautiful about the execution of Renee Good in Minneapolis. And it's just, it's been on our minds a lot, you know? I, we have a huge audience in Minneapolis. We know a lot of our audience is affected by this and scared about people in their community and people that you know, and these are really scary times. And I like what you posted because you put at least a little positive spin at the end and people reaching out and helping in their community. But what happened to this woman was deeply appalling. It's frightening.

• 55:50Rayna Greenberg?

  It raised a lot of really painful questions about how power is being used and what people are, who gets to be defended. I'm glad this was filmed. I'm glad this was filmed and put on the internet because everybody should see the evil that is happening in this country. It was hard to watch. I certainly would never watch a person shoot another person, but I think it's important to know what is happening in this country. And, you know, what makes this really disturbing is the administration's response and their willingness to just invent excuses and lies and make up fake narratives. And, you know, I thought we were so mad at all these other politi- the emails, Hillary's emails, and now this, this is being defended. It's, it's sick. It's horrible. It's on my mind constantly. It, I, it just, it's really upsetting and there's a lot of dishonesty.

• 56:32Rayna Greenberg?

  And we want our audience and people in these communities to feel safe. That's what your government is supposed to do for you. That's what the policies that you vote for are supposed to contribute to. And it just, we just wanted to offer our love and our support and whatever we can. And I-

• 56:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm an American. I love being able to be an American. I love that we can use this platform to shit on the administration and talk about the president. I love that we don't live in other communities, in other nations where you could never, where they're gonna shut the internet off. You know, I'm glad to live in an environment where I can still talk about these things and that's not lost on me either. But this stuff is just always on our minds. And I don't know if you want to like speak about what you said. And I just, I really liked it because I think so much that I think and feel is just negative and I'm so angry. And it's important to remember that like you have community and people are doing the right thing sometimes.

• 57:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. You guys can go watch. I mean, it's, it's the lengthiest thing I've ever posted. I spent a lot of time on it, like, you know, writing it out and getting my, and organizing my thoughts. It's just on my Instagram, Ash Hess. It's a four minute watch. So I think I said mostly of what I wanted to say in that we are underreacting to what's happening in this country. I don't even, it's like, hearing your words, like, you're absolutely right, but it's not enough. Like, it's, there's no words truly to understand. Like, I can't believe what we're seeing. And humanity, I don't know where people have just lost it completely. People used to die and it didn't matter what side they were on. Our administration would speak about it differently. Like, those days are gone. What we're seeing is sick.

• 58:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, the propaganda and the lies from the administration, I feel like they don't care anymore that, that, you know, that they're lying. They're lying in your face. And it feels like justice will not be served and this is not America. And we're just gonna be killed at the hands of our government. And they let one thing like this happen, there's just gonna be more. And it's terrifying. And yeah, I posted about keeping hope alive. And I really believe that. I really believe the good outweighs the bad. I really do. I think we're gonna get through this. I just want to survive it. But it is so bleak. And so, just, you know, take care of each other. And we're thinking of everyone in Minneapolis and all the cities that are being terrorized, including our own. There's so much you don't see that's happening that's not in the news. And that's, I don't know.

• 58:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've just got a loss. So anyway.

• 58:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So we don't want to end the episode on a negative note, but this is on our, on our minds. And it's not lost to me that I like posted this thing last week, like buy tickets in Minneapolis. And you know, our audience is always on our mind, these people in these communities that are being terrorized, that have children that they're afraid for. And now like an American citizen was shot in her car, executed. Um, so it would be crazy to not have, to not acknowledge it in some way.

• 59:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Anyway, um, I just got like all worked up.

• 59:20Rayna Greenberg?

  We just, we always want to be a voice that you know, like will speak out and we are grateful that we can do that. We'll always do that for you guys and.

• 59:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  As long as we can.

• 59:29Rayna Greenberg?

  As long as we can.

• 59:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, guys, the girls gotta eat.com, Rayna greenberg.com to get her tour tickets. We can't wait to see you guys. We can't wait to see you guys. Just not sure if you caught that.

• 59:39Rayna Greenberg?

  We can't wait to see you guys.

• 59:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Come to the Florida shows, you guys. I'll see you in Florida. And, um, I am Ash Hess on Instagram. If you want to check out that video I just mentioned, Raina is reina dot Greenberg. Girls gotta eat on Instagram and Tik Tok and of course YouTube. Comment, leave a comment on Spotify or YouTube, wherever you guys want to comment and we will see you Monday.

• 59:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 1:00:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.