Episode 391 - r/Paranormal Reddit Horror Stories with Alexis Linkletter & Crimes of Reddit

Sabrina’s Crimes of Reddit co-host, Alexis Linkletter, is filling in for Corinne, and we are diving into some seriously spooky Reddit stories, and a lot of paranormal rabbit holes. We’re talking creepy childhood encounters, sleep paralysis experiences, a possible visit from a grandmother, and a story about a little ghost girl who broke a child’s arm…twice. And of course, Reddit leads us into a spiral about astral projection, the Gateway Tapes, declassified government experiments, déjà vu, reincarnation, and the possibility that our brains are only perceiving a tiny piece of what is actually out there. Watch Crimes of Reddit here. Check out Alexis’s podcast Unraveled and The First Degree. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone. This is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal, and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion. It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor says,

• 0:44Speaker 00

  I believe something completely different. And honestly, that's the whole point. If that sounds like the kind of America you want, learn more at au.org/gettingbetter. Because your beliefs are yours, and theirs are theirs.

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome to Two Girls, One Ghost. It's very weird to do it by myself because usually Corinne says it and I whisper it. But today, we are joined by a very, very special guest, Alexis Linkletter.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  Hi.

• 2:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who, we just started a new show together, Crimes of Reddit. If you haven't heard it yet or listened to it yet, are you like Patrick in Living Under a Rock? What are you doing? But I'm very excited to have you join me as a special guest today on Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  I am honored. I'm so excited.

• 2:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have some crazy stories that you have shared with me about your life, but also I need you to tell everyone. We'll, we'll get there, but the story, I think you know what I'm gonna say, the under the bed story.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I need you to tell me about it, but first, will you tell everyone a little bit about you?

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Sure. So like Sabrina said, we were brought together.

• 2:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  By the universe.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  By the universe to co-host Crimes of Reddit together. But before that, well, and during, right now, still, I co-host The First Degree with my best friend, Jack Vanek. And before that, I was hosting a podcast for Investigation Discovery called Unraveled, which chronicled all my reporting on the Long Island Serial Killer case.

• 3:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which you're reporting on the Long Island Serial Killer case is top notch. Like, you are an incredible journalist.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Thanks, girl.

• 3:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You even have a book coming out?

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Yes, I have a book coming out, um, early next year called Between the Devil and the Tide.

• 3:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So check that out.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, we were brought together to do Crimes of Reddit, and we have been basically deep diving into the darkest corners of the internet on Reddit, finding stories that people have shared about kind of all sorts of crimes. We've got stalker stories, learning secrets about your family, confessions. The one we recently read about the woman who went to a party with her husband, where they were like forcing girls to eat strange things off tables.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Like insects and eyeballs and bull testicle smoothies.

• 3:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  For money and then filming them. Really strange stuff. And I think that's exactly why Reddit is such an amazing place to mine stories. Because like, people are going there to spill their guts because they don't have anywhere to turn. And it's always about something strange because otherwise they'd tell their friends.

• 4:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's why we love Reddit, because you can go to it anonymously and share stories. And also on Two Girls, One Ghost, we love Reddit for paranormal stories.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because traditionally or stereotypically, unfortunately, some people view the paranormal or paranormal experiences as very taboo, or a lot of people don't have people who believe them. And so they can share their stories on Two Girls, One Ghost or on Reddit and still be judged, but anonymously. So it feels a little bit safer. So in honor of Crimes of Reddit and everything we're talking about in regards to Reddit, we picked a couple of stories about the paranormal from Reddit that we are gonna share. But first, everyone needs to know, do you believe in ghosts?

• 4:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, great. Perfect. Because if you didn't, I don't think we'd be friends.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  No. Um, yeah, I just think it would be really arrogant to assume that we understand everything about.

• 4:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everything?

• 4:54Speaker 03

  About everything. And also just like physics, absolutely.

• 4:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, agreed.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think energy transfers in ways that we don't understand.

• 5:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Agreed. Yeah, you're in good company here. Yeah. I want to hear about your experience with the paranormal because I don't know a ton about it. But first, can you tell the story?

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Where I was a ghost.

• 5:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where you.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  To my parents.

• 5:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are the most horrifying creepy kid. Because we love creepy kid stories here on this podcast.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I even picked my Reddit story as a creepy kid story. But this might be one of the creepiest kid stories I've ever heard.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  And I wasn't a creepy little girl, I don't think.

• 5:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, you were.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Apparently I was. So I was like a sleepwalker. I was really doing really weird sleepwalking stuff. And apparently, one day, I was like six or something, I snuck out of my bedroom sleepwalking. And my parents were asleep in their beds. And apparently I'd like crawled under their bed and like I was just screaming, like screaming bloody murder.

• 5:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Top of your lungs.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, because I woke up under there and didn't know where I was. And my parents like probably stopped loving me. I don't know.

• 6:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So your parents are asleep in bed?

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like in the middle of the night.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dreaming about butterflies, who knows?

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Who knows?

• 6:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Something peaceful. And they wake up to their child blood curdling screaming and find you beneath their bed screaming.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Creepy kid, you're right.

• 6:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's horrifying.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  That's really scary.

• 6:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Terrifying.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was me.

• 6:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That was, that was me.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  They did the groundwork for everything to follow.

• 6:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And that's not your paranormal story?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's your ghost story?

• 6:26Speaker 03

  So I want to contextualize it first.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  I grew up in a really scary old house, like.

• 6:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Really scary, built in like, you know, 1860.

• 6:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Like secret doors.

• 6:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Weird basement stuff.

• 6:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What does that mean?

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Weird, like, it had like a coal room because it was back when like.

• 6:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  When it was like, things were run with coal.

• 6:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  It had like a big room with like a stage and like taxidermy heads of animals. Like back from the 1800s, you know, like a really creepy, creepy house.

• 6:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kept all of that in it.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  They were, no, no, those were mounted on the walls in a different room. But like, the house was just, if I was going to see a ghost, it was probably gonna be there, but I never saw ghosts the entire time I lived there. Not a single weird thing. And I was creeping around the house at night, nothing. So.

• 7:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  I had never had any experiences until like last year.

• 7:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like never in your entire life?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Never.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Parental experience until last year.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I was visiting my aunt on Long Island.

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  And she lives in the house that was my grandmother's. So my grandmother passed away. My aunt lives in the house now.

• 7:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  And it's like another historic house on Long Island. It's like four stories and like colonial, interesting, interesting house. And my mom lived there. So the guest room is like her bedroom now. Um, she lived there at one point.

• 7:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  When she was growing up. So I was visiting with Matt, my husband, and no one has ever seen a ghost here either, ever.

• 7:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  At all. Not my aunt or my cousin who like lived there and went to high school there.

• 7:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. And how long ago did your grandma pass away?

• 7:59Speaker 03

  My grandma passed away probably eight years ago, but the house was originally, she lived there with her husband, who was my mom's stepdad, and he was a doctor, and he like delivered like half my friends' dads on Long Island.

• 8:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  And he died first. So he died, I didn't even know him. He died before I was born.

• 8:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  But again, no one's ever said anything, like, there's never been any ghosts.

• 8:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  So me and Matt are sleeping in the third floor guest room, and it's like sort of a rainy night. And like in the middle of the night, I woke up and I had complete fucking sleep paralysis. Like, oh, complete sleep paralysis. And there was like something over me in bed.

• 8:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was it leaning over?

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From the side? Like it looked like it was standing leaning over? Okay.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  I was sweating and like it was a strange, it was like a tangible figure though, like.

• 8:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  And I couldn't wake my, I couldn't fully wake myself up.

• 8:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  And like, I don't remember how long it lasted, but eventually I went back to sleep. But like, I remembered it in the morning. I'm like, that was fucking really weird.

• 8:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you feel like you fell back to sleep out of fear? Like your body just kind of shut down?

• 8:59Speaker 03

  It was just like, I was really disoriented. You know, like how sleep paralysis can be like fever dreamy?

• 9:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  It was like that where I was like hot and I like wanted to turn over on my side and couldn't. But I saw this thing and it wasn't like, it wasn't a human shaped thing. It was like.

• 9:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  It was tall, but it was like brown, green. It was like an earthy color.

• 9:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  And it wasn't like a human face, but it was like a shadow type figure.

• 9:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  But like I couldn't make out a face or like the sex of the thing or whatever.

• 9:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What was your feeling? I mean, obviously it's disorienting and in the moment, you're probably focusing on the fact that you can't move. But did you get negative energy from it?

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Okay. It was weird though.

• 9:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Because the presence was like very, very there.

• 9:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Somebody hovering over you.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  But it was not scary, like you're in danger. Because like I fell back asleep eventually. The next morning, I was like, holy shit. Like I woke up and I told Matt, my husband, like what had happened. And he's like, I felt really weird stuff too.

• 9:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  We don't say this. This isn't something we say. This is something we've never experienced. Like, we don't really bullshit each other.

• 10:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. That's also good. I'm glad you don't bullshit each other.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Well, just about stuff like that. We're not like over the top about like, ooh, this thing. We're not like.

• 10:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're not like me, where I'm like.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That earthquake that rattled my bed was a ghost and then I find out it was actually an earthquake.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Right. Well, it's just, I know it was real because I'm an adult and I would not be wrong about this.

• 10:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Like you trust yourself to know.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  And I've had a lot of dreams like that. Like I've had a lot of sleep paralysis, not like this. This was like temperature in the room shifting.

• 10:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but can we also talk about, you've had sleep paralysis before?

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, along with sleepwalking, I've had a ton of like sleep paralysis, restless leg syndrome, a lot of like sleep disruption.

• 10:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Um, now I get a lot of insomnia. Like I've always struggled.

• 10:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this was the first time where like there was like something there?

• 10:53Speaker 03

  Something with it, you know, other than like, and it wasn't a nightmare.

• 10:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Like it was definitely like I saw the trees moving outside with the wind.

• 11:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  And like heard the AC kicking on. Like I was awake.

• 11:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  But I couldn't like investigate the figure because I couldn't move and I couldn't even really turn my head.

• 11:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I mean, we've read a lot of stories on our podcast about sleep paralysis. And there's also been a lot of studies where I feel like the scientific community is trying to gaslight the paranormal community. Where they're like, it's like a weird brain chemical mix up. Which maybe sure, it's in some situations, but then there's just too many encounters with shadow figures or with entities standing in the corner for there not to be something more and something paranormal to it.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Well, it could be like a portal opening, you know, where it's like if the part of your brain and like, it's funny, I learned about anesthesia. Like you don't really go to sleep when you get put under for surgery, doctors just put a part of your brain asleep. Like, they just turn a part of your brain off. So I've heard stories where like patients, when they're getting surgery, they open their eyes and stuff, but they're still completely.

• 11:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa, I've never heard that.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's, it's completely possible. The fact like, the fact that you can even be in a dream state that you sort of misfire and you, you wake up a little but can't move your body. Like, that's just a switch in your brain that has been not, is misfiring, right? So I feel like with our senses, they say we only use like so much of our brain every day. Like, it could open some portal where you can see things that are there normally. But like, maybe that thing would have been there and I never would have felt it.

• 12:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I also think about, and this is the argument that I use, that there are animals that are seeing colors that we as humans physically cannot see. And then there's plants communicating, like we can't hear it. There's just so much that we as humans are limited to.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Spreena, I just went to a lecture.

• 12:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About birds?

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Yep. Did you see it on my?

• 12:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I saw this, yeah.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  So I learned that birds are one of those animals, that their, their spectrum is like twice as large as ours, as far as what they can see. So they're seeing the color indigo that could be everywhere in this room, but we don't have the ability to see it. They can see double the colors we can see. So imagine if there's like things in your brain where it's like, what about molecules? Like that we just can't see that exist, but we can't perceive them.

• 13:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just can't see them. We are limited. Completely agree.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  So what was so interesting about this thing at my aunt's house is that my aunt has lived there now for like 30 years. So I told her about it and I was like, hey, has anyone ever said anything about something weird on the third floor? And she's like, never, like my cousins know, their, their wives know. My cousins have been there a long time, because like I said, they went to high school there. But I never stayed at this house as like, my best friend lives down the street.

• 13:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  So I always stayed with her and visit my aunt. But this time, my best friend had visitors. So I stayed with her. So I truly think it was the first time I'd stayed there since I was like a kid.

• 13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  So was, I feel, my theory is that my like, my grandma was excited to see me.

• 13:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Because she had seen the kids, my other cousins a lot and maybe visited them when they were.

• 13:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're old news.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Well, like maybe visited them when they were boys and they didn't perceive it like they would as an adult, you know?

• 14:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or also like the fact that you happen to wake up in that moment. Who knows how long the entity or like the being was standing there?

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it might not have been my grandma at all, but like that would make sense, especially because I had Matt with me. And like, she loved boys. She loved like her granddaughter's boyfriends, like she loved, she favored her sons, my uncles. She just like would have been excited if she were alive to meet him.

• 14:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone, this is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion. It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe.

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• 16:32Speaker 03

  When I was looking on Reddit for paranormal stories, I found something super similar that like, I was like, oh, this maybe validates.

• 16:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, interesting. Okay.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's quick. Let me just.

• 16:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great. Let's hear it.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  It says this, this is 26 days ago.

• 16:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it's super fresh.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Girl I was dating and now my wife came over when I was about 19, 20 years old to my parents' house. She leaves my room and goes to the bathroom, comes back five minutes later freaked out. I ask her, what's up? Why are you looking weirded out? She replies, who's the old lady here? I say, the only other lady here is my mom. And she said, no, the old lady is in her eighties in a nightgown and was smiling at her when she opened the bathroom door to go to the bathroom. And there's no old lady that's supposed to be there at all.

• 17:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  So fast forward to morning, we leave my room early and my mom has lots of family photos hanging on the walls. My now wife points and goes, that's the lady I saw last night. I look over and it's a picture of my great grandmother who passed away only three months before. What's really weird is my mother and I were talking maybe a week before this happened. That my great grandma would have loved to meet my wife, my girlfriend, because I think she's the one.

• 17:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, wait, this is so.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  I know, it gives me the chills a little bit. And she said it really weirded me out, but I'm glad she got to see my wife. And people go back and forth, did you ever experience anything like this before? If not, it probably was your great grandma, they're giving her approval and he said, no, I hadn't. And that's why I was like, oh, like, I think that could be it, you know?

• 17:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think also, especially in this story, she saw every detail of this woman. And then saw the photo of the great grandmother and was like, that's who I saw in the hallway. So she had no knowledge of who she was beforehand.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Who passed away like three months ago. So that is, it's so interesting when you see stories like that because they're very hard to question. And I wanted to also tell my story first. Because I didn't, it's not made up. But I also felt like I was there and like my grandmother, like used to give me a hard time about men. And I feel like she would have been like, I think she would have been excited to meet my husband. So I think she was like scoping it out.

• 18:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Or it was not.

• 18:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  You know, but like my aunt said, they've never experienced a single weird thing there at all. But maybe they've been there so like, maybe it's imperceptible to them because they're used to it.

• 18:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Because it's like a super, like these houses on Long Island, as I'm sure you know, in Boston, they're really old. Everything creaks in the night, whether you're walking around or not. So you kind of dismiss a lot.

• 18:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Or like, it's just the house.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  It's just the house, like things creak and sway and old windows, things howl in the night with the wind. You dismiss almost everything.

• 19:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I do think it is a common, I mean, the one thing I've learned in doing this podcast for nine years that Corinne and I both agree on is that the more we talk about the paranormal, the less we know. But I do think there's a commonality when, in a lot of ghost stories, especially when like family members coming to visit or in houses, it's like when someone new comes into the house, it tends to stir stuff up because they're curious. Or if there's like big construction and changes being made to the house, because then the spirits are like, what's happening? I don't like, I like my things the way that they are. What are you doing?

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it makes sense.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I also think if your intuition and your gut says that it was your grandmother.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  Or another friendly ghost. I mean,

• 19:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  It's really hard to know, like,

• 19:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  I don't know, like, you tell me, because you've, you've heard so many of these stories.

• 19:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  But like, would it be normal for a spirit to come into a house that they have nothing to do with and do something like that? Like,

• 20:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, less common. Again, like, I don't know the rules of the paranormal world. I would love to one day. And if, if I can apply to be a Grim Reaper one day, I would love to. But I think it is more common to have some type of attachment. But again, am I viewing that from like a human brain wanting ration, like something rational? I don't know.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. For all we know, though, too, it's like, maybe the house is buried on a Native American graveyard. You know?

• 20:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or maybe even like,

• 20:25Speaker 03

  The neighbor.

• 20:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You and Matt,

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Brought it with us.

• 20:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Passed something and the spirit got interested in you that day and followed you to where you were sleeping.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  It really didn't feel scary, though, and I fully, fully, fully believe it, like with every fiber of my being.

• 20:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also fully, fully, fully believe it.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  And what you said was really interesting about like sleep paralysis being a thing that happens a lot. Um, because like, do you, have you ever had it?

• 20:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've had it one time.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Really?

• 20:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was horrifying. It was a negative experience.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Do you think it made you closer to like a entity or something? Like, why was it so horrible?

• 20:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know 100% it was a negative entity.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Really?

• 20:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That was, and I'll tell you the story. I've said it so many times on the podcast. It was after I went and did a ghost tour in Edinburgh, Scotland. And I had done something that I know better, that I know to not do, but I did it. I basically invited a spirit that is known to be negative to come find me. And then that night I had sleep paralysis experience and I felt like something was like trying to be like, don't you dare tempt me because I will, if I can find you.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  That's really scary.

• 21:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was horrifying.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  It's funny you say that, though, too, because after my experience, Matt didn't chime in at all when I mentioned this experience to my aunt. But he mentioned it in our rental car after we left and he's like, you're not supposed to talk about it in the house. And he's like, I felt it too, but I wasn't going to bring it up because it invites them in.

• 21:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do think it depends on intention. I think in this specific instance in Edinburgh, I was playing a dangerous game. And because I think when it comes to the paranormal, intention is the most important thing. If you had an experience that wasn't negative, or you didn't feel like was negative, and you believed to be a loved one, that maybe you want to know more about, I think it's okay to be like, to the spirit who visited me, like, you're welcome to come visit me again, but you're not allowed to scare me and accept boundaries. Whereas in my situation, I knew what I was doing was wrong. And in my head, I was like, I don't mean it. I don't mean it. But it was too late. I'm doing two contradicting things.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  What you were saying about sleep paralysis, though, is like, and I don't know how yours is, and I'm sure everyone's is different. It has this like seizure-like feeling and it's very like stigmatic.

• 22:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  It feels like, you know what I mean? Where it's like, you're sweating, you're disoriented.

• 22:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Your brain is so alert.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you're not connecting to your body.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like, it feels though, like, because, you know, have you ever seen a scan of a brain having a seizure?

• 22:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  It's like lighting up in complete misfire, where it's like, it's why like your face contorts and like, you shake and like,

• 22:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  everything is kind of hijacked.

• 22:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  And it really reminds me, um, not that I've had a seizure, but it's like, it's that sort of loss of control.

• 23:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  The same way, and I would love to see a scan of like, um, a sleep paralysis brain versus a seizure brain.

• 23:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's see. Do they have?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  I probably.

• 23:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A scan of brain during sleep paralysis.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  But I'd just love to see if it's similar to, have you guys talked about stigmata on the podcast?

• 23:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very briefly.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Because I wonder, that's like a portal where you can communicate with God, I think, or the devil.

• 23:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the idea. Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  So it's like, I just wonder if that is like a portal, you know, where a different part of your brain, maybe, maybe they have to shut one part off. When I say they, it's like, maybe this is just how it works, where it's like, you can't move because if the spirits, you can't make any big movements if they're,

• 23:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  you know, in the room with you or something. Like, there's got to be some survival mechanism.

• 23:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So they do have entirely different electrical signatures, sleep paralysis and seizures. But again, I feel like they haven't done enough studies. This is me being the paranormal girl. But it shows a mixed hybrid state. The conscious mind displays waking-like brainwaves, alpha and theta rhythms, while the body remains locked in a REM-stage muscle paralysis. Then the fear center, the amygdala, lights up with high activity, while the rational thinking part, your prefrontal cortex, stays subdued during a sleep paralysis experience. Interesting.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  It is interesting. And maybe like the amygdala, that is your fear, right?

• 24:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  There's something primal about that, right? Like your fight, like, maybe that makes you more perceptive to your surroundings and then you can pick up on a presence.

• 24:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then this opens up such a bigger conversation, too, because I don't believe your consciousness lives in your brain.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Okay. Where do you think it lives?

• 24:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it's a part of like the soul.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I say that because there are cases of people who are deemed brain-dead. And yet they, their consciousness is aware of everything that's happening. Like, they come out of this like brain-dead state. And I don't know how many cases there is, but I'm thinking of specifically Jake Handel, who Corinne did Blink with. And there was zero brain activity. He woke up from this brain-dead state and had stories of like conversations that nurses were having. He recalled like the outfit his mom was wearing and every, like everything she did that, when he was brain-dead.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which to me implies that your consciousness doesn't live in your brain. So then I'm like, is a sleep paralysis state a combination of, and this can get so woo-woo, because again, like, I don't know the science of it, but is your consciousness living somewhere else and like momentarily, because when you're in the sleep state, you're like more open to things that your conscious is awake, but your body is not.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  I think that is of course a possibility. I think another possibility is that neurologists don't understand the brain as much as they think they do, which also, because if somebody's brain-dead, they're like, oh, there's no activity in this brain. Clearly there fucking was.

• 26:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  Um, you're wrong. And what else don't you understand about the brain in terms of like,

• 26:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  our ability to perceive,

• 26:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  this larger spectrum of color or,

• 26:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  like, they also talk about deja vu a lot, you know?

• 26:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's also such a-

• 26:16Speaker 03

  When I say they, it's just, you know, people, they try to boil it down, they, scientists, ophthalmologists,

• 26:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The world.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  with some just delay with like your optic nerve and your retina.

• 26:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. Have you had a lot of deja vu?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  All the time. But like, I'm just like, I was probably drunk and forget, forget. And I'm now saying it again, like,

• 26:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but there, there's that version of deja vu, but then there's other ones where you are in a moment and you're like, I experienced this before. Which makes me think time, and I know time is not linear.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think everything is happening all at once. It's such a woo-woo fun conversation.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Okay, but no, there's more. What about, what do you think about people who like get hit in the head? And then wake up and can like speak French and like have never took, taken a French lesson?

• 27:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Easy.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  But like, what is that?

• 27:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or even savants, too.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Well,

• 27:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like children who can play a piano like Beethoven.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Or people, yes, yeah, like at three years old.

• 27:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At three years old.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Or what about even people who are non-verbal? There's a lot of theories that it's like they're communicating, just not with you.

• 27:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have you listened to telepathy tapes?

• 27:22Speaker 03

  No, but I've been meaning to.

• 27:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's wild.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  I've been meaning to.

• 27:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I think there's just so much that we don't understand. And that's kind of how we started this podcast when I asked you to believe in the paranormal. I just, I think we're limited. We, there's so much we don't know.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  What do you think about past lives as it relates to the paranormal? Like, is there a connection there or are past lives just in the past?

• 27:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I believe in reincarnation.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we've read some very convincing stories where, again, like, who am I to say? I think anything is possible.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  There's not a single hill I will die on.

• 27:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  If someone wants to try to convince me that Lindsay Clancy's husband like is the murderer, you know? Like if someone wants, I wasn't there.

• 28:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  I won't die on a single hill.

• 28:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Unless I saw it myself.

• 28:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unless you were there, saw it yourself, or there's like full-on video evidence that shows every angle and detail.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Right. So like, I'm not going to dismiss anyone's claims or experiences or possibilities because like, probably.

• 28:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Who knows?

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Who knows?

• 28:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not us. Wow.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  I just don't think we can be arrogant enough to be like 100% anything.

• 28:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I agree. And when someone is so stuck on in their ways and closed minded, I'm, I just don't even want to entertain a conversation with you because then you're also not open to growing and learning.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  No, it's.

• 28:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And science, even in the last like 50 years, has evolved so much. We're constantly learning new things.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like all this stuff about, you know, metaphysics and quantum physics. Like if you can't, if you can't just like read a little bit about that and see what they're actually telling us that like we are existing in other dimensions.

• 28:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Like the scientists are literally saying it.

• 29:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  And then you're like, no paranormal, no.

• 29:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  It's like, okay, they literally have like science that like something's happening after you die.

• 29:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  That's like lifting out of your.

• 29:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Corpse.

• 29:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Something else exists.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. So like, I don't know. I just think if we read between the lines, they are telling us. Then if you look at what like CIA is declassifying in their files, they're literally.

• 29:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're so speaking my language.

• 29:24Speaker 03

  They're literally telling us, they declassify these files about they were doing all these mind experiments where people could use telekinesis to move things.

• 29:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  If you use these like number combinations and they.

• 29:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, have you, have you read about the gateway tapes?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  What do you, okay. So what do you suspect? Did they admit what they were doing with them or is it just a theory?

• 29:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They were, so the gateway tapes, there, there's a place called the Monroe Institute, which still exists. And you can go take classes at the Monroe Institute. And they started playing around with binaural beats and seeing how frequencies would impact the brain and the ability to like, kind of go into the subconscious astral plane. And then the CIA came in and was like, hey, we want to start doing classified tests on this to see if we can use it for military operations. I've done some of the gateway tapes.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 30:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have fully left my body. I had an experience where I witnessed something that happened to a girl. And it was so weird. I like kept seeing these images of her life, where she was. And keep in mind, I've never been to her apartment. I've talked about this on the podcast. It's Whitney Way Thor from My Big Fat Fabulous Life. I'm friendly with her. Um, we were on like a season of our show. I hadn't really talked to her in a while, but as I was doing one of these gateway tapes, my brain just kept going to her, seeing images of her in this like apartment space. And I kept getting this like message that someone was watching her and I like overheard her calling someone being like, I just found this. I think someone's stalking me. And it was so, I kept going back to it in this like gateway tape experience that I was like,

• 30:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I need to text her after this. But knowing that that's kind of a weird thing out of context, I just text her and I was like, hey, how are you? And then she was like, oh my gosh, so weird. I was just like, she said something about like she just had a dream about me or something. And I go, okay, I need to tell you, I just had a dream about you. And I told her the whole situation. She calls me and goes, last night I got home from the dog park and I got an alert on my phone saying like, an Apple item has been following you since this long, you know, when like.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 31:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone's like AirPods or near you or whatever. She finds an AirTag in her bag.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  Someone's tracking her.

• 31:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone at the dog park slipped an AirTag in her bag. Then she called a friend and was like, I think someone's watching me. I literally in this like gateway tape astral projection, saw that whole conversation and experience, had no idea, a knowledge of it.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 31:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm like, for sure time is folding in on itself or I'm picking up on her energy and she's thinking about this in this exact moment. I don't know how to explain it.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  Well, that's what they're all doing. The government, they know, just like they know about the aliens. But um, they were doing similar types of things with LSD back in the sixties, like all the MKUltra.

• 32:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  Testing where they were giving people LSD without telling them.

• 32:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  And monitoring.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Quinn's uncle, I think, was like a, or grandpa was a part of it.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 32:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think he like had to sign an NDA and stuff. So I don't know all the details, but.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  I love that. Well, it's very fascinating.

• 32:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Which also makes me wonder what other things they're testing, similar to the alien, like what they know. What do they know that we don't know that will become declassified in 20 years from now?

• 32:39Speaker 03

  They won't declassify the things they don't want us to know. And I truly believe they've like trained their operatives, like the really important ones, with this type of ability, like what you're describing, where you're literally like, how do you think they intercept certain terrorist acts? Like, I truly think, I know a lot of it is technology. A lot of it is intel from other countries. Like I, I understand there's real defense happening. But I also think like, if they have this ability that they've been studying this stuff since the sixties, why would they have entertained this?

• 33:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, there was a story, I think I saw this on TikTok a couple of years ago, but there's this woman who is really good at astral projecting. And so she decided she was going to astral project to area 51 because she was like, I want to see what they're doing in area 51. Apparently, as she got to that area, there are astral bodyguards set up there.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  What does that mean?

• 33:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like the same way she can astral project, there are people trained by the government.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Blocking it.

• 33:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who can astral project, who are protecting that area.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Wow. That is so cool.

• 33:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I forgot about that. This is, oh, I love these conversations.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  That is really.

• 33:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that wild?

• 33:41Speaker 03

  So cool.

• 33:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  This is why numerology is so important.

• 33:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also love numerology.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  I just, it's all connected. Like I truly believe it's all connected because like.

• 33:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like arrival.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Have you seen the CIA declassify things about the mind control experiments?

• 33:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  About some of them.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  I'll send it to you. I literally have it on my desktop. These codes that they're using were literally, it's like you just close your eyes and you say these numbers in a certain order.

• 34:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So the gateway tapes does that. Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  But like, that's why I believe numerology is actually a thing. It's why like.

• 34:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Numbers are so powerful.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Well, it's why they like, they're not necessarily insignificant. Like you're channeling certain things.

• 34:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  With certain efforts.

• 34:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's also how I feel about astrology. And that's also very tied to numerology.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Well, astrology has real weight because there are magnetic forces. These things control the tides.

• 34:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is literally my favorite type of conversation in the world.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Of course, like, how could, okay, if astronomy and astrology and like, if the space isn't affecting us, how could it control the tide?

• 34:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  We know.

• 34:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you've heard it all here.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

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• 36:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I do have a Reddit story.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  I can't wait.

• 36:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is kind of going back to, I was inspired by you being a terrifying creepy child.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 36:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And screaming under your parents' bed. So I found a creepy kid story. It was posted five years ago on the Paranormal subreddit and it is called My Horrifying Childhood Experience. So this is probably going to be a long one, but let me explain. It all started when I was around two years of age. I had always seen things and been told by my parents that I used to interact with things that they couldn't see. So a few examples are, I would interact with family members who had passed away or animals. But specifically, I would interact with a little girl who went on to terrorize both me and my family. So I'm going to talk specifically about my experience with this little girl.

• 37:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As early as I remember, this girl used to push me, let off putrid smells, would upset my baby sister and even follow me to school. I could see her as if she was physically there, as if you were to talk to another human being and interact. I remember exactly what she looked like. She wore a long blue cotton jacket with black buttons. She had patented black shoes, brunette hair, pushed up and platted with a blue ribbon used as a bow. She had buck teeth, black glasses and was covered in freckles. I used to refer to her all the time as the poor little girl because she used to tell me how she was abused by her father and suffered a broken arm twice on the same arm and a battered face.

• 38:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She said her mother let it happen. She never had any friends or any close family and her name was Elizabeth. When I heard her story, I kept telling my family that it was the poor little girl because it's so sad.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Smells though. Is that a thing?

• 38:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we'll get to that. And a lot of the comments conspire about it or theorize about it. So Elizabeth, this little girl, used to tell me that she was part of my family, which at the time I believed. I was young and I didn't quite understand the difference between spirit world and reality. I should point out that around the same time, I was actively communicating with my late granddad, who had also previously passed. I knew him in life and in the afterlife, and I think maybe interacting with him may have accidentally opened a portal to the other world by letting him in, which is when the little girl was invited in. I was told by my family that I complained of a fire in the walls in my bedroom. So this is all context. So this is where it gets very interesting. My experiences with the little girl, I will list below.

• 39:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are far too many to speak about in depth, but I will answer questions about any of these experiences. So there are six experiences listed. One, I was pushed off of my toddler bike by this little girl. It caused me to break my arm. My mom physically witnessed this. And then 12 weeks later, I had my cast removed and that same day, the cast was removed, I was back on that bike and pushed off again by this little girl, breaking that same arm. Weird, right? And keep in mind, remember the little girl told her she broke her same arm twice? Yeah. Two, I was pushed off my seesaw by this little girl, which caused severe trauma to my face. My mom had never seen anything so horrifying. Three, this little girl used to terrorize my sisters.

• 39:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One example of this is that my baby sister at the time was sitting on the floor, having a tantrum like kids do. Went out of nowhere, a square table mat flew off the table, landed next to my sister. This was the work of the little girl. Two days after the previously mentioned incident, this little girl interrupted my older sister, who was listening to music by violently throwing two CDs at the wall near her, making her flee in terror. Five, when me and my sister were younger, I was three, she was one, my mother was bathing us simultaneously. When, while we're in the bath, all the taps on the sink turned on by themselves and we saw them physically being turned. Six, I woke up at 5:00 AM one morning and my dad came downstairs with me as he was getting ready for work.

• 40:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On the way downstairs, approaching the living room door, my dad stopped in absolute terror because he claimed he heard a large group of children giggling, running around in the living room. The creepiest thing about this incident is as it happened, and he paused and was freaked out, I said, "It's okay daddy, it's just my friends playing." I don't remember saying this, but I scared my dad and apparently when he entered the living room, there was no one, not a soul. Completely empty and we had no pets at the time. And even if we did, they don't sound like little kids playing.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 41:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So these are a few of mine and my family's experiences with this little girl. But the story doesn't end there. Fast forward about five to six years after all the events at this house, we moved to another house. Where unfortunately, this little girl followed me. But as I was older and less frightened of her, she seemed to fade. But her presence was still felt amongst my family. It was around this time, we got a psychic involved to take a look at our new property, which there's a lot to explain, but let me give you a too long, don't read regarding the psychic's findings. So this psychic knew nothing about me. She came to this house and said that there was a little girl terrorizing me and my family from a very young age. She described the appearance of this little girl perfectly. As I previously mentioned, the exact same way I had been seeing her. She confirmed her name was in fact Elizabeth

• 41:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and that Elizabeth had abusive parents. The scariest thing is I didn't tell her about any of this. She told me that the arm and face injuries I suffered were at the hands of this little girl, that they were the same injuries that she suffered in life. This psychic did some things with sage and muttering and ultimately, according to the psychic, it led to the little girl passing over. I never saw her again after that. I'm now 21, living a great life, but now and again, this still pops into my head and haunts me to this day. I will never, ever not believe someone's paranormal experience. Any questions, I'd be happy to answer. So that's the original post.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 42:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And a lot of people were commenting saying, like, it seemed unusually powerful for the spirit of a little girl. And a lot of people were like, I don't think it's a little girl, I think it's a demonic entity, especially pointing to the putrid smell. But I think given that she did pass over so easily, it was just a little girl who-

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Mad.

• 42:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who was mad and-

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Sad.

• 42:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Had such a horrible life.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe wanted someone to understand her.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Well, when you're little, you don't have, you have big feelings. It's why kids scream, they don't have the words, so they act out.

• 43:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also feel like I remember like the bullies that I knew in middle school or like elementary school were often repeating patterns that they saw at home. And I think that's common where it's like, if they're being pushed around at home, they're gonna push people around at school, because that's what they know.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  How soon, like after, this is not gonna be a question you can answer, but like after death, apparently, like based on most of the stories you've read or been told, do spirits, entities show up? Because like, I'm sure you've seen the footage from the Chris Watts case.

• 43:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, Corinne did a whole episode about.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Because like, I believe that.

• 43:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, especially with such a traumatic ending to their lives.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  And it's just like, it was hours.

• 43:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  You know, and I'm like, is that, what did she conclude when she looked into it?

• 43:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, we, we watched some of the police cam footage.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, with the commercial that comes on.

• 43:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Oh, it gives me chills.

• 44:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, it's unbelievable. It's hard because I don't know and I want to believe, I mean, this is a hard thing, it's like, there's so, unfortunately, there's so much murder in this world and there are so many unsolved cases. And I think this is why some people are like, I don't believe in the paranormal, because if ghosts were real, why wouldn't all spirits of people who've been murdered come back immediately and like, tell everyone what happened? But I don't know that they're necessarily, I don't think it's that easy, or-

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Well, I think it's tied to energy and like, a feeling, like, a lack of peace or rage, or, you know, like, justice. Or, you know, like, using the Chris Watts thing as an example, like, I think that was, I watched, did you watch the documentary that was like all shenanigans, social media?

• 44:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  I think she was like, angry.

• 44:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  You know?

• 44:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She had every right to be.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Well, but like, we all, we would all, if the murder, but I think with the children, and like, she would have been murdered first and, you know, if she was a spirit after that, like, had seen him murder his, the children, bring them with her dead body to the oil.

• 45:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is so horrible.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  But just like, it's unthinkable. And it's like, you know, I think maybe the children being involved, like, tipped that for the, for the entity or whatever.

• 45:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also think, and I'm wondering, this, I don't know for a fact, but I'm curious, like, the same way that children are more open to seeing and having paranormal experiences, like, is childlike energy more likely to become active spirits? Like, I, I don't know.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Right. And then it begs the question, we're like, what kind of awareness do children get, like, when they become entities? Like, do they get wisdom they didn't have? When, like, is the, is like the development of their brain actually holding their consciousness back from like, knowing everything? Then once the physical aspects of their not foreign brain disappears, then they know everything.

• 45:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Yeah, like, we don't know what happens once you enter the afterlife. Like, do you get, yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Do you get the wisdom from all your past lives?

• 46:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I don't know. I don't know. What would you do if you saw a little ghost girl who was angry?

• 46:08Speaker 03

  I'd probably be really worried. I mean, because I've never seen an entity like, in a human form.

• 46:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I've only- No, because this is such an active spirit too. Like, it's communicating, it is physically pushing. Because I think that's the one thing with the paranormal, that most people, myself included, I feel safer when it comes to ghosts than I do with real humans, because I feel like humans can cause harm. But this is a story where a spirit is causing a Reddit poster to break their arm twice and then have like severe trauma to their face.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  But there might be more to her than just being a ghost. Like, there could have been a demonic thing there, you know, like, there could have been, I don't know, when children are harmed, I think something, that's why it is like this next level of evil that like, it's like you're dancing with the devil if you hurt children. And like, who knows what seeps in?

• 46:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true. That is a good point. That's why I do feel like a lot of demonic cases happen around traumatic events. Like, something really dark is happening. Like, if I were a demon, I'd be like, this is the perfect place for me to show up.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, and they show up when it's like sacrilege, like, a father hurting a child, or a father murder, like, a family annihilator, right? Like, where, I mean, I'm not a religious person, but like, I feel like so much of religion started, like, in ancient times, based on these paranormal things that people needed explanations for. So I think there is something there, like, when a huge amount of fear or pain or something, like, that's fuel for it.

• 47:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perfect place for, and you're gonna be like, entering the chat.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I thought it'd be fun to also tease, like, or just like, share a couple of our favorite stories, just in general, like, that we've covered on Crimes of Reddit. To entice all of you who are listening to go listen to Crimes of Reddit.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 47:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's your favorite story we've covered?

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Um, honestly, the story that we were told that we got from our subreddit.

• 48:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  I mean, you were even like, oh my god, you're speechless. And I was.

• 48:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I've never seen you speechless. Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Well, I'm like, I'm gonna go Google this guy, I need to know more.

• 48:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you can read the whole appeal case too.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Basically what happened is that this professor of pharmacology became obsessed with his student, who was a nurse, and broke into her house and tried to murder her in this really elaborate-

• 48:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he claimed it was because like, he was like, surprising her with a kinky night, but they were not in a romantic relationship at all.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Thank god that didn't work, because like, that shit does work. That worked with one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims. Where he was like, oh, he's just my lover, he's disoriented, because he was like, had given this guy drugs and was like, hurting him.

• 48:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. It's so fucked up. This is why I think humans are so much scarier than any paranormal thing we can encounter.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that one was really messed up. I think, uh, it's hard to pick, the slug one, it's in episode three. We read a story where a girl found out that her partner had been grinding up slugs and putting them in her food.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  And then also, in that same story, the victim of this had a pet, like a giant African snail. And he admitted, when confronted the person doing this to the poster, that like, oh, I found your giant, she thought the snail escaped, which I thought was interesting. But, um, he admitted that he found the snail dead and also put that in her food. And then when he ultimately like, admitted it, he's like, well, I was just started conducting experiments on you.

• 49:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He used to like, he like, started with spitting in her food and then it progressed up to-

• 49:40Speaker 03

  And he was tampering with her medication. Evil.

• 49:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So what do you think? Are humans scarier or are ghosts scarier? I think we can all agree, humans.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you want more stories like that, go check out Crimes of Reddit, which I do every week. New episodes come out on Tuesdays with Alexis, my delightful new friend.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 50:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love you too. Look at us, we're wearing, we're wearing matching outfits.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  I know. We have a good time over there.

• 50:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have a great time over there. Uh, yeah, so check out, we're actually in the Crimes of Reddit studio. And I love that the nine lives, none left, is in here, because it feels kinda like paranormal too.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  It really does. And so does like this phrenology little head down there, because we were just talking about the brain.

• 50:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We also have a magic eight ball. It's a good set. Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 50:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a good time over there, so check it out. And then also check out The First Degree.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 50:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or Unraveled, and Alexis's book that is coming out in January.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  In January, Between the Devil and the Tide. Lots of tea in there.

• 50:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I can't wait to read it.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 50:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eek. Uh, thank you for joining us. Do you want to do the sign off that we do every week?

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Sure, what is it?

• 50:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll talk you through it.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. So I will say, we will see you on the other side.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you will whisper. And we will see you on the other side.

• 51:03Speaker 01

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