Encounters x343 - Conspiracy Theories | Glitches, GATE & Government Secrets

Grab your tin foil hats because this week's Encounters episode is all about conspiracy theories. From eerie GATE Program memories and alien encounters to timeline glitches and Men in Black sightings, these listener encounters will have you questioning reality. Whether it's a coincidence or a cover up, we'll let you decide. Stories include: A childhood gifted program raises unsettling questions after strange tests are followed by vivid dreams, eerie premonitions, and a terrifying shadow figure. A family's quiet night is interrupted by mysterious crashes, strange shadows, UFO sightings, and unexplained burn marks left behind in the yard. A driver wonders whether a near fatal moment on an icy road ended in a timeline jump instead of a crash, with uncanny similarities to another listener's experience. A late night drive turns unsettling when several mysterious men in dark suits and top hats emerge from beneath a bridge before vanishing without a trace. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone. This is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal, and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not. And it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion. It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor says,

• 0:44Speaker 00

  I believe something completely different. And honestly, that's the whole point. If that sounds like the kind of America you want, learn more at au.org/gettingbetter. Because your beliefs are yours, and theirs are theirs.

• 1:03Speaker 01

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• 1:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 1:53Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 1:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are adorning our tinfoil hats today.

• 1:58Corinne Vien?

  Yes, we should put some on. This is two girls, one ghost.

• 2:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. One day, we will have said hats.

• 2:05Corinne Vien?

  Until then.

• 2:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's on our list.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  I almost said, this is two girls. Until then, this is still two girls.

• 2:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Until then, we've still lost, we still only have one brain cell. Maybe the tinfoil hats will like cook our brain cells in like popcorn and make them duplicate.

• 2:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that would be great.

• 2:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if all of a sudden?

• 2:29Corinne Vien?

  I severely need it. I need something.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Baby in womb has stolen some brain cells.

• 2:34Corinne Vien?

  I've never been pro lobotomy, but I start to understand why people might question if it could do something for you.

• 2:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I'm always pro lobotomy in the sense of like, I'm so mentally unwell that when people are like, what do you need? I say like, probably a lobotomy.

• 2:51Corinne Vien?

  I think I definitely do.

• 2:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I mean, like, we're not actually advocating for it.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, you know, I would have been one of those women.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Brian and I, when we were in Boston for the baby moon, I had never done the swan boat ride.

• 3:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'd never done a lobotomy, so let's do it.

• 3:07Corinne Vien?

  We've never done lobotomies, but I was like, we are, like, this is our first time, like, actually, kind of like being tourists in Boston, not being residents of Boston. So I was like, let's do the touristy thing. We've never done the swan boat. So we went and we were standing in line for the swan boat.

• 3:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Corinne Vien?

  And I'm like, obviously extremely pregnant. And I'm standing in front of these three women, women, but like girls, like, I think they were like fresh out of college. And they were having a full conversation about like whether they thought that they could handle having kids or not, and pregnancy, and then they're getting all into like, but you hear horror stories of women who have kids and feel no attachment to the baby when they come out. And they're going like deep into all the things they've heard about postpartum. And Brian and I are standing there completely silent. And then like, I glance over to him and he's looking at me like worried that like.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is the show about us?

• 3:54Corinne Vien?

  I almost turned around and was like, it does happen pretty frequently, more than you would expect.

• 3:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You'll bust a cigarette out of your mouth.

• 4:01Corinne Vien?

  Let me tell you about my last one.

• 4:05Corinne Vien?

  But it was like, he was concerned looking at me and I just looked up. I was like, oh, God.

• 4:11Corinne Vien?

  Right on the brink of it. We're just trying to enjoy the day and they're like, oh, man, postpartum.

• 4:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, well, how was the swan boats?

• 4:17Corinne Vien?

  It was great.

• 4:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've always wanted to do it too.

• 4:19Corinne Vien?

  I had to get very close to the little ducklings because they're just like chirping around, going around.

• 4:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At my soccer league, the geese are on the field. And like, it's one of the rules is, like, they literally say, one of the rules is try not to hurt the geese. But like, it's like, they're just there. And I felt so bad. There was one time.

• 4:36Corinne Vien?

  Wow, I'm shocked that that's the rule and not avoid the geese because the geese will hurt you.

• 4:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this is what I'm gonna say. So there was one time where the ball went off the field towards the geese and I, it was a throw in, so I had to like go get it. And it was towards geese and their baby geese, and you know how they get, literally.

• 4:52Corinne Vien?

  Those little gossies.

• 4:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was like approaching, I was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. And then the mama geese was, and I was like, I'm gonna die.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 5:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Swan boat, good. Geese, bad.

• 5:04Corinne Vien?

  But also, I don't want to encounter a swan. They're also scary.

• 5:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  True.

• 5:07Corinne Vien?

  I'm there for the ducks.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, the conspiracy here is, I don't know, we're crazy. We have one brain cell. But we were like, okay, we've talked about so many different types of conspiracies, like the Gateway Project, or like CIA projects, or we recently did.

• 5:23Corinne Vien?

  Men in Black.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the Philadelphia Experiment, things like that, Men in Black. We were like, what if we have listener stories that kind of like feed into or back up some of these conspiracy theories? And so that is the theme of today's encounters, conspiracies. And I will start.

• 5:43Corinne Vien?

  In a way, it was hard for my mind to wrap around like what could be a conspiracy because in a sense, all of the paranormal is. But I was like, no, I need to like go based on like the chart that someone who's a non paranormal consumer.

• 5:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 5:57Corinne Vien?

  Could be like, oh, yeah, that's a conspiracy theory.

• 6:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I started with the Gate program.

• 6:03Corinne Vien?

  Oh, shit, you went straight to it.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because when we covered Gateway tapes, everyone was like, oh, my gosh, we need to dive into the connection to the Gate program.

• 6:10Corinne Vien?

  That was one of my favorite episodes ever.

• 6:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you. I think it was a lot of people's favorites too. It was a good one. It stuck with me.

• 6:16Corinne Vien?

  It was so good. It's our episode. It was your, it was your, it was your research.

• 6:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did it. We did it together. I can't do this without you. Like, literally, I would be talking to.

• 6:25Corinne Vien?

  I think you're, at this moment, you could.

• 6:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 6:28Corinne Vien?

  The brain's not contributing much.

• 6:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's enough for me. I'll take you in any shape. Yeah. We'll weaken at Bernie's, you, if we need to. That's kind of what we're doing.

• 6:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so this is from our listener, Leila, and it is called Gate Experiments. Funky Dreams, and then a little bonus, Haunted Tattoo Shop. Hi, Sabrina. Hi, Corinne. It's Leila from Alaska. Since my last email, I've been doing some looking into the Gate experiments, and I think I might have been a part of them. I just finished listening to the episode where Corinne went to the rodeo in Houston. And as someone who rodeos up here in Alaska and also shows pigs, very similar to the cow show that you saw, I want to reassure everyone that the livestock is treated better than the cowboys and cowgirls that ride them. They're very pampered. Anyway, here are my stories. The Gate Experiments, a gifted and talented education program. They were done from the late 1970s to about the mid or early 2000s.

• 7:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've seen varying dates from the beginning and end of this program. However, there are mentions of it going as far back as the 1920s. Along with varying dates, I've also seen varying accounts of what people have been through and experienced. But I'm gonna share what I experienced and how it has affected me in the years since. I used to live in this little armpit town in northwestern Washington State, supposedly where Bigfoot lived, which is a whole other thing. Before we moved, this town had a total of like 800-ish people, small enough that almost everyone was somehow related to a good half of the people there. And if you weren't related to someone, you at least knew them. This will all be relevant. In elementary school, from about kindergarten to second grade, all of my classmates and I would be pulled out of class for a little while to get our hearing and our reflexes checked by members of the community.

• 8:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now, normally, as far as I could tell, this was legit. They would have us stand in line, we'd read letters, check our eyes, give us hearing tests, tap around our knees with the little triangle hammer thing, et cetera. And our teachers always claimed they did this because not every family had access to these resources or could afford to have them done. So the school provided them with opportunity. Except, there were several times where it was just me and maybe four other people who would be pulled out of class and given odd tests. Every time we were asked to do these tests, it was run by people I didn't recognize, people who didn't do the other normal tests. And again, I knew damn near everyone in that town. Still, they did these hearing tests with large headphones, but they would play weird frequencies.

• 8:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They would have us answer very odd, very open-ended questions and identify difficult patterns. There were also several times they would bring us and we'd be given reading or math tests that were way harder than what we were working on in class at the time. I was never good at math, still not good at it today, but the writing was super easy to me. But I remember every day that I would have these classes, I would have a string of really weird dreams.

• 9:18Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 9:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would randomly dream of an entire random day from start to finish and then have every single event happen in real life a few days later.

• 9:25Corinne Vien?

  What in the world?

• 9:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would dream about how that day was going to go down to a T. I would also have other weird dreams as well. Most of them I can't remember now, but what I do remember is that most of them would make me wake up in a cold sweat. Since looking back into the Gate experiments, I've been having weird dreams and occurrences start up again.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  I'm so curious if this person was friends with the other people that were pulled out of class and if they ever talked about what they're experiencing.

• 9:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, because it was only like four people.

• 9:52Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 9:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay, so the following are kind of a set of diary entries after the few odd dreams that I've had the past few weeks. These are the ones I remember the best after waking up. Entry one. Last night, I had a dream that I was in a white room. No windows, no doors, no shadows, just stark, sterile, white walls. There was also no noise. It was also still that I remember panicking because it was so eerie, too quiet. I remember pounding on the walls screaming because I wanted out. The vibes were going downhill quickly and I just remember that feeling of I shouldn't be here. Like, something was telling me that if I stayed any longer, I was going to die. I remember like the longer that I was there and the more that I pounded on the walls, the heavier my arms started feeling, like it was harder and harder to use them. My arms started moving slower and slower.

• 10:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I started to feel like my legs couldn't hold me up any longer and I just remember collapsing on the ground. It wasn't long until I couldn't move at all. My whole body felt way too heavy, like I didn't have bones anymore. I was just like lifeless puddle.

• 10:51Corinne Vien?

  Or were you about to astral project?

• 10:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or were you in like an alien lair?

• 10:55Corinne Vien?

  Double layers.

• 10:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I don't really remember anything after that, other than jolting awake, laying in a really weird position. Normally, I'm a pretty reliable side sleeper, but this time I woke up on my back with my legs and arms spread out like a starfish. And I was really sore, like as if I had done both leg day and arm day at the gym the day before. It's entry one, which feels like a testing facility.

• 11:16Corinne Vien?

  It does.

• 11:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Entry two. I was out in the woods this time. I don't know where in the woods, but it was dark, really, really dark. And I could feel like eyes were watching me from all around, like there were just creatures sitting in the trees watching me. I couldn't see them, but they could see me. I remember walking or, I don't know, floating. It felt like I didn't have legs, but I remember starting to move one way or another. I knew I wanted to get away from the eyes, but I didn't know where to go to be safe. I remember moving through the trees, but the feeling of the eyes never left. The feeling of someone watching me made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. And again, after that, I don't remember anything. But when I woke up, that feeling of eyes watching me never truly went away.

• 11:57Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 11:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Entry three. I don't really remember waking up. I also don't really remember ever being asleep. So I don't know how else to explain it, other than being in this place where I remember trying to fall asleep and then all of a sudden, I was here in this dream. I'm also not sure if I was dreaming, but I do remember I was on my back. Again, I'm a side sleeper, so this is odd. And I was looking up at my ceiling, but I was not able to move. I wasn't overly concerned about it in the beginning, but I also didn't feel like my emotions were my own. It felt like someone planted them there. And it was this artificial calm. So like, I couldn't feel my emotions, but I could tell that it was wrong. I remember the only thing I was able to move was my eyes. I tried looking around my room to try to place what was going on, and that is when I saw something in the corner of my room.

• 12:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know what it was, but from what I could see, it looked almost like a shadow person. Its shape and outline were very wispy, like it was made of black smoke with white wisps for eyes. I remember seeing it try to reach out and touch me without ever moving. It didn't move any closer, but it was like the room shrank so that it could reach me.

• 13:02Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 13:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That artificial planted calm also never lifted. So even though like I felt a panic deep inside of me, that calm was the main feeling. The only other thing I remember about this was that I felt like I could hear it whispering, but I don't remember what it was whispering. After it was done whispering, I woke up and it was light outside and I had no idea if I was dreaming or awake or what the hell was happening. I really don't know what's happening in these dreams, but I do know that I prayed over my room after that and read verses and passages from my Bible that I keep on my bedside table. And whatever that shadow thing was, hasn't been back yet. But it's so weird, like ever since redoing like research into it.

• 13:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The dream started again.

• 13:43Corinne Vien?

  And I just keep like going in my mind, like, what is this priming people for? Like this, doing these advanced math, like it almost feels like you're in the space brought in as a kid, doing these advanced math problems and listening to these weird tones and like doing all this sort of stuff to see if you're susceptible to something to then like go on to the next level or be invited somewhere. But it's almost like it doesn't matter, like the hypnosis essentially happens there. And then what? They're just...

• 14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're studying you in the astral plane or something?

• 14:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 14:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's so creepy.

• 14:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, if it is related to the Gateway Tapes, which I feel like there's so many similarities that it kind of feels like they are. But if you remember in the Gateway Tapes episode, we were talking about how they would like kidnap kids and do such a variety of tests, but they evolved over years. Like, they realized they could do it differently and then they took to schools to find the perfect victims. And Leila, I almost said Alyssa because Alaska and Leila. Aleila, Leila was the perfect subject.

• 14:47Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 14:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. So then for the next story, all names have been changed to protect privacy. It's a little bit more lighthearted, less conspiracy. The tattoo shop that I go to is haunted. I was there for a new tattoo a few days ago and the front door kept opening and closing by itself, which these are push doors and they're a little heavy, so the aggressive Alaska wind cannot just blow them open. Throughout the four and a half hour tattoo appointment, the doors opened and closed probably a dozen times. At the end of the appointment, while I was getting the second skin put on my fresh ink, the door opened again and I commented to my artist about the spooky shop ghost, fully meaning it as a joke. And the artist and I are relatively good friends, so we'll trade little jabs now and then.

• 15:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When my artist said that the doors opening was because of Crystal, the legit ghost of the shop that they have named, Crystal. She apparently was an old customer who used to come into the shop and apparently didn't start getting tattooed until later in life, when she was like 80s and she was diagnosed with stage four cancer. And I was told that she was a super fun adventurous person who wanted to try to make the most of life, despite sadly, the little time she had left.

• 15:54Corinne Vien?

  So this was...

• 15:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you imagine going and starting your whole tattoo journey at 80?

• 15:58Corinne Vien?

  At 80?

• 15:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 16:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's...

• 16:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not?

• 16:02Corinne Vien?

  That's great.

• 16:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, part of this like end of life thing that she did was getting a full sleeve of tattoos. She had both of her legs done, even got a few face tattoos, get it, me ma. And I was told that during one of her appointments, when she was getting tattooed, that she told everyone that when she passed, she was going to haunt wherever they went, in case the shop ever moved. Because being with those tattoo artists was where her happy place was.

• 16:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 16:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Chad said that after she passed due to her cancer, they would come into the shop to find drawers open, storage toolboxes moved, the bathroom sink faucet would turn on by itself, lights would flicker, the front door would open and close by itself, along with a host of other things. So, they think it's Crystal. So on my way out after my appointment, I also said goodbye to Crystal and said, have a great day, don't pick on Chad too much. But yeah, that's my last story. Love you guys so much, see you on the other side, Leila from Alaska.

• 16:56Corinne Vien?

  Dang. Now, okay, well, Leila clearly is experiencing a lot and a different variety of things, but now I'm so curious if Leila did the full Gateway Tapes, what would happen?

• 17:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like these experiences are so scary, like I wouldn't want to.

• 17:10Corinne Vien?

  True.

• 17:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the thing is like, hearing tests, it's the beeps. They don't play frequencies. That's the Gateway Tapes.

• 17:18Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone actually sent me a DM the other day and was like, hey, I just listened to your episode on the Gateway Tapes and like, heard you talking about your experiences with them and it made me want to try them, but now, can you tell me where you downloaded them from? Because I'm scared I'm going to download the wrong one and like someone's going to like have put their own frequencies and like fuck with my head and I didn't even think of that.

• 17:39Corinne Vien?

  That was never something I thought about.

• 17:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I was like, I don't know, the ones I've been doing, what if that's what's happening?

• 17:45Corinne Vien?

  No, but you've been having fun experiences.

• 17:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've been having fun experiences, but what if it's programmed, the tape six is the next one I'm going to do and next thing you know, I'm minturing candidate.

• 17:56Corinne Vien?

  The full Gateway Tapes could be the same, you know?

• 18:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 18:01Corinne Vien?

  Some people have great divine synchronous experiences and others don't.

• 18:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stay tuned.

• 18:08Corinne Vien?

  But didn't you link where you got them?

• 18:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:11Corinne Vien?

  In that episode?

• 18:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm pretty sure I put like the Google Drive link in the episode show notes and they're on Spotify. You can search the Gateway Tapes.

• 18:19Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 18:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you have a Spotify membership, you can listen to them for free.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Hey, everyone, this is Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Better. You know what you believe. Maybe your faith is at the center of your life. Maybe you're still figuring it out. Maybe religion just isn't your thing. Those choices are personal and in America, they should stay personal. That's why Americans United for Separation of Church and State is fighting for something that affects all of us. The freedom to live as yourself and believe as you choose, so long as you don't harm others. Because religious freedom isn't just about protecting your right to practice or not, and it surely isn't about having one forced government sanctioned religion.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  It's about protecting your right to say, this is what I believe, while your neighbor says, I believe something completely different. And honestly, that's the whole point. If that sounds like the kind of America you want, learn more at au.org/gettingbetter. Because your beliefs are yours and theirs are theirs.

• 19:28Speaker 01

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• 19:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so I was desperately searching our inbox for an Area 51 related story, but we don't have any. The few that we did get, we already read.

• 20:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  More people need to go to Area 51 and tell us what happened.

• 20:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So just adjacent to that, which is aliens and UFOs, which I guess in my mind, I'm like, that's not a conspiracy, but it kind of is. Some people fully don't believe. And then it wasn't until recent years, in the past few years, that government agencies and whatnot have started to come out and say, no, there really is.

• 20:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, and they're declassifying things.

• 20:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it definitely qualifies.

• 20:30Corinne Vien?

  So it's like a newer conspiracy theory that still has a ton of conspiracy around it, because people are like, okay, well, why are we?

• 20:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's still a lot of unknowns.

• 20:40Corinne Vien?

  And I also feel like there's a million conspiracies wrapped up with all of the UFO and alien news, because every single time anyone publicly says something about aliens or UFOs, they're like, okay, well, what else is happening in the world that they're trying to distract us from? So that's my justification.

• 20:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You don't have to justify to me. Also, any excuse for alien stories, I'm into.

• 21:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay, so this is called Otherworldly. Hey ladies, first off, I love your podcast. You two are a couple of funny badass fuckers. Don't change a thing.

• 21:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Funny boo-boos over here. Wait, actually, I kind of like that. We're funny boo-boos, instead of honey boo-boos.

• 21:20Corinne Vien?

  They said?

• 21:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I know, that's just what my brain went to. I said it and I liked it.

• 21:24Corinne Vien?

  Am I glitching? Am I hallucinating? Second, I work in an oil field and I spend most of my day driving between locations. So what do I listen to? You.

• 21:35Corinne Vien?

  This story is not about ghosts, but it is about aliens. I was about seven or eight years old when this took place. So this was back in the 70s. So yes, I am old as fuck.

• 21:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 21:47Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 21:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 21:49Corinne Vien?

  I fell asleep on the couch one night and my parents just let me be. They went off to bed and then sometime later, we all awoke by a loud crash and slam. The front door had come open, slammed against the wall, and my dad figured it was just some freak wind or something and then closed the door and locked it. We all went back to bed and this time I was in my room. Within 30 minutes, the same loud crash and slam. The door had blown, quote unquote, blown open again, but this time my dad closed it and locked it and moved the recliner over in front of the door. I was kind of scared and I remember my dad being visibly shaken as well. So then we all go to bed again. I laid in my bed, afraid to close my eyes. My room was on the backside of the house and the way my bedroom was situated,

• 22:32Corinne Vien?

  the moon shined through my window onto the wall.

• 22:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spooky.

• 22:37Corinne Vien?

  All of a sudden, I see a shadow moving across my wall. There was something walking outside. I knew there was nothing tall enough out there to put a shadow on my wall where I was, so I ran to my parents' room screaming, terrified. They checked my room. My mom looked at my window. My dad went out to the backyard. Everything seemed in place. I remember both my parents being pretty shaken by the events, but we all went back to bed again. I wasn't about to get back into my room, so I did go sleep on the couch. The next morning, we're all in the kitchen getting ready to eat breakfast and my parents were listening to news on the radio. All they were talking about were the UFO sightings by airline pilots at the regional airport the night before.

• 23:20Corinne Vien?

  My parents looked at each other horrified and then looked at me. I knew they had to be thinking that I really did see something out my window.

• 23:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now I'm so curious, like, who else was impacted? Like, what other, like, weird phenomenon was happening?

• 23:34Corinne Vien?

  I know, especially like the door getting blasted open too. It's like?

• 23:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like bursts of energy.

• 23:39Corinne Vien?

  Right. So was that, like, was someone else getting abducted? And they were just like nearby enough that when they got like beamed up and like thrown back down or something, that was the door.

• 23:50Corinne Vien?

  I remember my dad going to the front door to get the newspaper and he came back in and was white as a ghost. My mom asked what was wrong and he took her hand and led her to the door. I, of course, had to follow. And in our yard were three burn marks in a triangle shape. In the days following, I remember my parents talking to neighbors and other family about the whole incident and they believed that aliens actually landed in our yard.

• 24:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For sure.

• 24:18Corinne Vien?

  And possibly tried to enter our house. I have no idea if my parents ended up speaking to the police or any type of authority. It was a long time ago.

• 24:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My gosh.

• 24:28Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my story from Dave.

• 24:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dave, I loved your story. Aliens landed in your backyard.

• 24:35Corinne Vien?

  The aliens in my yard.

• 24:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This reminds me of, there's like, we've definitely talked about this before, but in the town over from where I grew up in New Jersey, they have like the, one of the largest hot air balloon festivals. And every summer, it's every July. So every summer, you'd go and you'd watch them all like take off from this massive field, like hundreds and hundreds of hot air balloons. And then you'd go home and throughout the day, like, we had walkie-talkies. And we'd walkie-talkie each other in the neighborhood, be like, the Energizer Bunny's going down in so-and-so's backyard. And we'd all like sprint over there and watch it like

• 25:07Corinne Vien?

  That's so fun.

• 25:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  basically crash down in their backyards.

• 25:10Corinne Vien?

  And the people just like awkwardly on it like, hi, in the basket.

• 25:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're radioing to their, their van that would come pick them up. Yeah, but alien version.

• 25:19Corinne Vien?

  Aliens. Who's to say that Dave and his family didn't actually get abducted and are just missing time? Because they keep going back to sleep. They keep going to bed.

• 25:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so we have two options. I mean, both of them are going to get read, but you're saying lost time. I have a lost time story or I have a Men in Black story.

• 25:36Corinne Vien?

  Let's do Men in Black. Or no, let's do, nevermind.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I'll do the time glitch.

• 25:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 25:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what you said first. That was your first gut. And this, it's conspiracy because our listener sent us this story, then listened to an episode of ours and was like, wait a second. Did me and this listener experience the same thing at the same time? And like, this is what happened? So it's piecing together of a conspiracy. The subject line is, death? Timeline jump? Glitch? Imagination? Dream? You tell me. This is from my listener, Jayden. Hello. To the ladies I've never met, but feel like my besties. My name is Jayden, she/her, yes, you can use my name. So why don't I tell this story besides once in my life? Because the one time I tried to tell it, the further I got into the story, the less I knew what the hell happened to me. Maybe it was simply a dream.

• 26:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe I imagined the whole thing, or maybe I died in another lifetime and popped into the current one I'm living in now. I don't think I will ever truly know. But here goes. This story starts when I was like 18 or 19 years old. I was a freshman in college at Carroll University in Wisconsin and my roommate and I must have been talking about near-death experiences, because all of a sudden, I was remembering this wild, twisted experience. Here's what I remember. I was somewhere between 16 and 18 years old, driving down a dark road. It was winter in Wisconsin. It was not snowing, but it was a little hazy. The roads were empty and I was on my way home and I knew exactly where it happened. Being careful for black ice, I was just cruising, listening to music, and getting ready to approach the same stop sign I have known my entire life,

• 27:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  when suddenly I had the sense that my car was spinning. I grabbed the steering wheel tight enough that my knuckles were white and my body was stiff in preparation for impact. The next thing I knew, I was no longer in my body. Like, I knew I was still in that car, but my mind was pulled into a vision. So I was no longer on this dark road. Instead, I was seeing bright, white, fezzie memories, as if they were captured in a Polaroid picture or an old camcorder.

• 27:31Corinne Vien?

  It sounds like you died.

• 27:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I could see me, my mom, my dad. I was playing with my sisters, laughing with friends, the sunshine. No fear, only peace, only love. I wasn't worried about myself or the car. Just looking at this beautiful life that I never fully got to see from the view I was now seeing it in. When the vision was over, my car was straight. In the correct lane, I was back in my body, as if nothing had ever happened.

• 27:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, this is like, did you die and enter a new?

• 27:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's one of the questions. The rest of the memory is a blur, but I remember feeling really confused and surprised and just driving home, because what else was I supposed to do? And this is the point where I really start second guessing myself because I cannot answer when this happened or what happened after. I mean, normal teenagers get into near car accidents, tell their family immediately and have it scarred in their brain for a long while. But why is it that I feel like I have no absolute definitive recollection of it? Was I daydreaming while I was driving and I got really into imagery? Or did it happen and my brain blocked most of it out out of fear? Was it all a complete dream? Was it a warning from an ancestor telling me to be careful? Or my new favorite theory, your podcast helped me consider is maybe, just maybe,

• 28:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was a teenager arriving home in the dark. I hit black ice. My life flashed before my eyes. I died. And my consciousness slipped into a different timeline where the accident didn't happen. Maybe I'm now living the life that I'm in, in a different timeline, where I got home safe and got to keep living with a hint of that memory. But when I was telling this story to my college roommate, it felt like a factual story as it came into my mind and I was sharing it. But I'm still so confused by it.

• 29:06Corinne Vien?

  Well, it makes me, it also makes me wonder, like, is there anything that is slightly different? Any other memories that are like slightly off?

• 29:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So then we get an update. The update was sent like a week later.

• 29:18Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 29:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My ghouls, I need to update you. So I sent the above email to you. This is a story I had only ever shared once before, like I said. It detailed my experience with a possible time shift. Well, emailing it got me in the mood to tell the one other person in my life that would maybe actually believe me. Her name is Sam. She's the one who introduced me to TGOG. Thanks, Sam. Sam and I were getting lunch and I pulled this email up to read it to her and her mind was blown. We were both playing with the idea of this timeline jump theory and decided maybe it would be a good idea to ask the universe and my spirit team for confirmation to see if that's what happened. I never explicitly said, hey, universe, give me a sign. But Sam and I were talking out loud about asking the universe for a sign. I was also going to be seeing a psychic medium in the next month in July.

• 30:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I was like, oh, maybe I'll bring it up then. Fast forward. The day after I got lunch with Sam, the day after, I read the email to Sam and we asked for a sign or talked about asking for a sign. I clicked on a Two Girls, My Ghost episode to pick up where I left off after finishing an episode the day prior. Encounters 195 starts playing. It's Sabrina's 30th birthday episode. 20 minutes in, Percy's story starts. And by the end of the story, I'm realizing, holy shit, that is so similar to mine. Percy and I were both freshmen in college, driving at night in the dark in the Midwest with the same unexplainable experience. And we both detailed not quite remembering the afterwards. Now, to Percy's credit, his seems so much more traumatizing, but it's so weird.

• 30:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could hearing such a similar story the day after Sam and I talked about wanting a sign be the sign? Maybe Percy and I both really did pass into another timeline and slip into a new one?

• 30:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  After some reflecting too, I did notice that roughly a year before my car situation happened, one of my closest friendships shifted. Until now, I thought maybe we were just growing apart as teenagers do. But in a supernatural twist, maybe it feels like it shifted so dramatically because while we were close in the other timeline, when I slipped into this timeline, we weren't as close. We never got back in touch. But I've always felt a deep connection to her still, so deep that I still have dreams of her and I being on friends, going on road trips and having parties. So maybe there's another timeline that you also exist in where you and this girl are best friends.

• 31:32Corinne Vien?

  Or like what, okay, wait, what if they didn't die in the car accident that night?

• 31:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They swapped.

• 31:38Corinne Vien?

  They swapped places. Swapped timelines. Like you got displaced. You got booted out of your body to take over another version of your body. And then, because then it's like, well, if you jump into another one, what happened to the consciousness that was there? Is it absorbed? Are you like collecting yourself?

• 31:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. And then also like, yeah, just because you spun out on black ice, doesn't mean you died.

• 32:00Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 32:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I may be reaching for straws and going into conspiracies a little, but I know you like that shit too. So.

• 32:06Corinne Vien?

  We're already doing it. We haven't even gotten to the end of the episode or the email and we're.

• 32:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now we are. Love you, spooky ladies. Jaden.

• 32:13Corinne Vien?

  Dang, Jaden.

• 32:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think Percy's story is the one where he was like driving home from college and it was around Halloween. Let's see. No, it was in the summer. But like, yeah, it was very similar to Jaden's story where they like felt a crash and like really believed that they died, but somehow came to.

• 32:31Corinne Vien?

  Damn. Well, this is actually, this is reminding me a little bit. I recently saw on TikTok, there were these two women in the car and they were recording themselves like freaking out and being like, are we experiencing a like timeline shift or like glitch in the matrix? Like what is going on? Because they both, like these two siblings, these sisters, have a vivid, vivid memory of their cousin, so like their aunt's child passing away and drowning when she was like three. And like 15, 20 years have passed. And they recently were saying something about like some sort of event or whatever. And one of the relatives said something about like, oh, so and so's birthday or like so and so will be there. And it was like the cousin who had passed and they're like, wait, what do you mean?

• 33:13Corinne Vien?

  Like they were, they thought it was like super weird that that person was bringing it up. And they're like, who are you saying that? Like she, she died years ago. And then all of the family got really upset with them being like, why, why would you say that she died?

• 33:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that's also crazy. That means like 15 years of life.

• 33:29Corinne Vien?

  Right. And I like just saw in the comments, people were like, did you never see her at family events? Do you not have any memory of this? Or like what are, what is like the missing piece? Like, are there photos of you guys together like at family events? And you just have no memory of it because there's some shift. But like, you know, we're recording a lot of episodes ahead of time. So this just happened on social media in the month of May.

• 33:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this comes out in August.

• 33:53Corinne Vien?

  So I don't know if there will be any updates. I think I liked it or saved it. So I'll have to go back and try to see if they've answered any of the questions people have asked.

• 34:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, time itself is a conspiracy because we know it's a construct that we've made up. We don't know how it works. It's like a whole dimension.

• 34:08Corinne Vien?

  Ha, I don't know.

• 34:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Time is one of those ones that's really hard to grasp.

• 34:11Corinne Vien?

  It's hard not to think about it in a linear fashion.

• 34:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, yeah, because we need to in order to like survive. But yeah, has everything happened all at once?

• 34:18Corinne Vien?

  Our bodies operate linearly.

• 34:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what we think.

• 34:22Corinne Vien?

  But our consciousness doesn't.

• 34:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We think our bodies do, but we don't know.

• 34:25Corinne Vien?

  But then would it be the same in space? Like is it?

• 34:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Girl, I don't know.

• 34:29Corinne Vien?

  Girl, girl.

• 34:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, but you have another glitch in the matrix story. So let's read it. And then we'll end with Men in Black.

• 34:35Corinne Vien?

  Perfect.

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• 36:08Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is called Glitch in the Matrix Time Travel Story. Hello, ghoulies. My name is M, longtime watcher. So maybe YouTube.

• 36:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just in our homes, through the window.

• 36:20Corinne Vien?

  Long time lurker.

• 36:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tap, tap, tap.

• 36:22Corinne Vien?

  But first time submission and I'm very excited to finally be sharing this with you. I have always been connected spiritually to whatever's out there. So paranormal experiences are not necessarily new to me. I also used to lose a dream every night until I was about 13 years old.

• 36:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a whole conspiracy as well. Like how do some people lose their dream? How do we get control?

• 36:42Corinne Vien?

  When we all fall asleep, where do we go?

• 36:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where do we go? Mall world?

• 36:47Corinne Vien?

  I have some wild stories about some of my dreams, but this particular experience is one of the first and strongest that I've ever had. And after a specific awakening that I've had in my life, time-related experiences similar to, but not as intense as this, have been a recurring thing in my life. I've been to portray this as best as I can, but it might get confusing, given that there are two separate instances that I'm going to talk about. This is called "The Dream." This originally occurred at the beginning of 2020. I was still living with my parents and they were divorced, so went back and forth between their houses. This part of the story happened at my dad's house. At the time, I was very into learning how to astral project intentionally and would often listen to guided meditations before I went to bed.

• 37:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, M, are you gonna teach us?

• 37:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like link the ones that you listen to. This time, however, when I fell asleep, it felt different. I was wiggling my feet to try to get out of my body, but they wouldn't budge. And in this quote-unquote "dream," I was in control. I was aware. It was similar to what would happen in a lucid dream, but it didn't feel like a dream world. I was much heavier, much more grounded than my dreams feel. I recognized a few things around me as familiar, but the room was different, and I was with someone that I didn't know at the time. The main thing I noticed was a similar glow of the thermostat that I used for my snakes' heat pads at my mom's house. So I deduced that I was myself, but I didn't know when or where

• 38:16Corinne Vien?

  I was. In this state, like I said, I was in control of my body, and eventually I was able to speak to the person that was with me. And this whole time, there was another set of thoughts in my head. I could understand and communicate with these thoughts.

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they weren't yours?

• 38:30Corinne Vien?

  Sharing your brain with someone and hearing and understanding their thoughts, but like they're coming through as your own thoughts.

• 38:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Telepathy.

• 38:36Corinne Vien?

  But then not being able to control them. I don't remember much else that I could discern from the dream that I had at the time, but that is because I'm mainly remembering this as being on the receiving end of the situation here.

• 38:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like you were a visitor in this experience.

• 38:51Corinne Vien?

  However, the thing I remember so vividly was that when I woke up, I did not have any dreams after that experience, which was really unusual for me. It was kind of like you blink and you wake up, which has never happened to me outside of this experience, but I was fully rested, very out of touch with reality for a few minutes, and I got out of bed. I'm still out of touch with reality. And instead of going to the bathroom and doing my normal morning routine like I always do, I went straight into the kitchen to get a glass of water. And while I was grabbing my water, I heard someone or something say, "You won't remember this," in my head.

• 39:25Corinne Vien?

  I was a little defensive, not gonna lie, and I thought something like, well, how the hell am I gonna forget something like this? That's insane. I'm gonna make a point to remember this. You can't stop me. But sure enough, the more I made the point to remember, the more I could feel this memory slipping away, until it felt like I was grasping at something that was never there to begin with.

• 39:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so creepy.

• 39:45Corinne Vien?

  It was extremely frustrating, and I remember asking why to whatever or whoever this was, and I did get a response. "You aren't meant to have this information. It will play out differently if you know."

• 39:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What will play out differently? Life?

• 39:59Corinne Vien?

  You will remember when it happens.

• 40:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ominous. Ooh. When what happens?

• 40:04Corinne Vien?

  I still have no idea if this was a spirit guide talking to me, my higher self, me from a different time, some sort of entity. I have no idea. But after I sat down on the couch to collect myself, I just knew that I was forgetting something about my dream, and it was something that was so important. But what that was, I didn't know.

• 40:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you weren't supposed to know.

• 40:24Corinne Vien?

  I remembered that I was forgetting something for about a week or so, but then eventually I forgot about the experience altogether. So I'll be referring to this part of the story as "The Dream," and the past tense me as my dream self. So now on to the actual experience.

• 40:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So the time that you're supposed to actually now remember it?

• 40:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Fast forward to late 2020. I had a boyfriend that I didn't have previously, and I moved out of my dad's and into my mom's house fully. In this time, I also had moved bedrooms from upstairs into the basement.

• 40:55Corinne Vien?

  This particular night, I had partaken of the marijuana's with my boyfriend at my mom's house, and we were getting ready for bed. I was very zooted, which in hindsight, I think, maybe was needed to elevate my consciousness enough for this to take place. I was laying in my bed. My boyfriend went to go shut off the lights. I remember he shut off the lights in my room, and as he did that, I felt weirdly heavy, almost like dissociative, but not quite. I was still completely coherent, but my spiritual body felt like it was slippery, if that makes sense. Then he went to turn off the lights outside of the room, and as

• 41:36Corinne Vien?

  the lights were flipped off, boom, it was like a light switch was flipped for me. Instantaneously, I was no longer in control of my body. I could see that my eyes were seeing. I could hear what my ears were hearing. I could feel my body physically, but I was trapped. I couldn't do anything. Almost immediately, I remembered the dream, the dream that I had forgotten, and everything made sense.

• 41:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my god.

• 41:58Corinne Vien?

  I didn't freak out. If anything, I was enamored to be having this very unique experience. My then-boyfriend came back into the room from what was then a previously awake M to a seemingly sleeping M, and he was asking if I was okay, if I was asleep.

• 42:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a matter of seconds.

• 42:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, which is freaky.

• 42:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Corinne Vien?

  He was very sweet about it, and I was trying to tell him that I was in fact not asleep, but again, I could not do anything. It felt like my consciousness took a literal backseat to my body. It actually felt like my consciousness was at the back of my head.

• 42:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm so curious if eyes were open or closed, cause...

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  Ooh. Oh, my god, I'd be like, you're having a medical emergency.

• 42:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:35Corinne Vien?

  I could also sense what my dream self was experiencing and hear my thoughts, what they were thinking, but it was like a separate stream of thoughts in my head.

• 42:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like simultaneously, you're awake and asleep and experiencing both consciousnesses?

• 42:45Corinne Vien?

  And like too aware of like your own.

• 42:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But trapped in it.

• 42:49Corinne Vien?

  Yes. My dream self was pretending to be asleep, but slightly wiggling their feet, originally trying to get out of my body. I was trying to get dreamy to talk to my boyfriend, but I mean, obviously, you're somehow transported into a then unfamiliar environment and then an unfamiliar person, and it's like, what the fuck is even happening in this moment? It's gonna take me a minute to get adjusted. I also will say, I have some social anxiety. And to my dream self, this guy was just a coworker, but I wasn't really that close to him. Eventually, my dream self was able to mutter out, "I am not sleeping, and I am just really high," while we're both trying to figure out what to do in our head. My boyfriend seemed to be okay with that, but did appear to be a little worried. My dream self wasn't

• 43:33Corinne Vien?

  all that keen on talking to him, and how could I explain that this was happening? Oh, this is so weird.

• 43:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like a past-life version of you is coming through in the future.

• 43:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, cause originally, you're like, some other guy was there, and I have no idea who it was, and it's your boyfriend in a few years.

• 43:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wild.

• 43:47Corinne Vien?

  My gosh. And the other thoughts are like, you, but really high in the future.

• 43:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so everything is making me feel like I'm sounding like a lunatic, but I end up pulling so much strength to be able to slightly explain what's going on to him. It felt like I was screaming and pushing with all of my might and willpower to control my body for only a few seconds. I was able to very quickly spit out something like, "I'm not in control of my body right now. I had a dream about this months ago. She's in control. I can't do anything."

• 44:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you imagine also being the boyfriend being like, what the hell do I do with this? She's in control? Are you possessed?

• 44:25Corinne Vien?

  It's literally her from a few months ago. I immediately got pushed back into my head again, and it was exhausting. He asked me to do something, and my dream self still was not talking to him, so my body was just seemingly asleep again. He, of course, was very confused and very concerned, poor guy, but took it like a champ, followed along with whatever I was saying for the most part. After a few seconds, I was able to push to the front and answer to whatever question it was that he had, and my past dream self was aware and could control my body. And it's really hard to be in control, but this is also like so confusing about. It's like battling who's in control and who can say what.

• 45:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's confusing for us. Can you imagine what it is?

• 45:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my god.

• 45:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For her to experience, M? Like, that's wild.

• 45:09Corinne Vien?

  I remember my dream self being like, "What are you doing? Don't tell him that. I don't want to talk to him," because I was so shy. And during this time, I was able to explain to my dream self who he was, where we were, that it was okay to talk to him. And my dream self also probably asked me some other questions, which I answered, but I don't really remember specifically. I did shortly after get my dream self to talk to my boyfriend, and she asked questions like who he was, even though I told her, when they started dating, where they were, and this lasted for over an hour, which slowly...

• 45:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The parts of it that dream self couldn't remember back then.

• 45:44Corinne Vien?

  And also, it explains why she was like, things were familiar in the room, like the heating pad and stuff, but like...

• 45:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But different.

• 45:51Corinne Vien?

  But different, cause she was in the base, like converted part of the basement into another bedroom.

• 45:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mom's house, yeah.

• 45:56Corinne Vien?

  This lasted for over an hour, which slowly got less and less intense. My boyfriend was so tired, and after ensuring that I was okay, he just kind of went to sleep. Eventually, I was able to fall asleep too, and I don't remember anything else notable that happened during this time. I'm pretty sure I was talking to my boyfriend and asking questions and figuring out stuff. I also know that I was having conversations with myself about this too. When I was laying there falling asleep, I remember it felt like my consciousness was falling in between the past, when I was in the dream, and the present, which was really terrifying. I was scared that if I fell asleep, I might not be in the present when I woke up. Here I am today, though. I did wake up in the present.

• 46:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, at least it was with a version of yourself, like worst case, you freaking Friday with yourself.

• 46:42Corinne Vien?

  It kind of reminds me of the book "In Five Years." Did they make a movie of that? I have no idea. But it's about a girl, and she, she might have a different boyfriend in each. She's like floating between her life five years ago and a present life five years in the future, and keeps like swapping back and forth.

• 47:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's in development right now.

• 47:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh. And M writes, "I was also with that boyfriend until earlier this year in 2025, so somehow that did not scare him off. I'm grateful with how he handled it." Thank you for listening. I hope you have a wonderful day, M.

• 47:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. And now we get an email from M's ex-boyfriend. "I used to date a girl who..."

• 47:19Corinne Vien?

  Was possessed by her past self.

• 47:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is wild. And I've never heard anything like that.

• 47:26Corinne Vien?

  And like battling, like you, yourself, your consciousness, battling over who gets to say or do something and who's in control of the mainstream of thoughts.

• 47:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is like simultaneously making me want to do more of the Gateway tapes and less of them. Which the more will win for sure.

• 47:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because Em was saying like they were doing meditations and like learning how to like lucid dream and get into this. But yeah, do you get mixed up and confused? There's some things that we, I don't think we're meant to know, and that's why.

• 47:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know, but now I want to do the more.

• 48:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it is so freaky. And to think that like you can be possessed by yourself or like you can, you can harm yourself like in this weird astral.

• 48:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 48:10Corinne Vien?

  State like you can get in your own way. Sorry, I have.

• 48:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They've been moving?

• 48:15Corinne Vien?

  I got something hitting me right here. Pretty weird to have like a living creature inside of you.

• 48:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Growing, you're growing another pair of balls this, this time around. You've grown two sets of balls.

• 48:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Men can't say that.

• 48:31Corinne Vien?

  I'm more man than any man.

• 48:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are. You've created more man than man has created of himself.

• 48:36Corinne Vien?

  Double the testosterone.

• 48:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's being a woman.

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  And that's on women.

• 48:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, and now we're gonna be on men in black. Okay, this is a story from our listener Stephanie who says, good morning. I have a super strange story that happened to me and a friend a few years back. I'm now 23, but this happened when I was probably 17 years old. So here's what I can remember from the best of my memory. I'm from a decent sized town that connects with another town, same school district. And one night, my friend and I were driving back to my house from the neighboring town. It was dark, it was late, and the roads are pretty empty usually at this time. So we're driving back on the back roads and we turn onto a side road that leads to my house. On this side road, there is a train track that is laid over a bridge. So train track, bridge, little things underneath the bridge.

• 49:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This bridge is tiny. It's just a tiny dip into the ground, like a ditch, maybe with six inches of water in it. As we're driving, all of a sudden, we see three to six tall men wearing dark suits, top hats, and holding briefcases come from under the bridge, running.

• 49:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, oh, this so feels like a movie scene from Men in Black.

• 49:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The friend I was with does not believe in anything supernatural or creepy, but he was seeing this too. And I was so glad he was because if I had seen it alone, nobody would have believed me. We got so freaked out and kept driving, but we turned around like 20 seconds later. We're not far away from where we saw these people, but when we turned to look, not a single soul is in sight.

• 50:06Corinne Vien?

  I don't like that.

• 50:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was nowhere for them to go.

• 50:08Corinne Vien?

  Because they did their weird like wand thing and just slipped into another.

• 50:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dimension?

• 50:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. There was nowhere for them to go. There were no cars around. That area is mostly industrial buildings, stuff like that. Also, nobody in my town dresses like that. It was one of the most eerie things that we've ever experienced, and not to mention the feeling we felt. Like the atmosphere was different. To this day, I think about it and I cannot figure out what it is. I got so scared to tell people because I was scared that the men in black would show up to my house or something.

• 50:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like it felt like we were not supposed to see them. They truly looked like the men from the government. You hear stories about that show up to your house to threaten you or whatever. So yeah, I don't know. Were they ghosts? Did we have dimensions? Are they men in black?

• 50:49Corinne Vien?

  It's interesting because it's like the Men in Black's whole shtick is them being worried about you seeing something that you shouldn't have. But it feels like seeing them just warrants a Men in Black visit.

• 50:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right?

• 50:59Corinne Vien?

  Like they're also weird.

• 51:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so scary.

• 51:02Corinne Vien?

  Now this is making me want to get more emails from people like security guards, like people who are watching cameras. Like have you seen weird stuff happen on the camera? Do you just peruse CCTV and something like this gets like flagged or something?

• 51:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we recently did like a video camera evidence one, but then there's like so many things get missed too.

• 51:25Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 51:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, there's people who have cameras on their cars all the time.

• 51:29Corinne Vien?

  Oh, go look at your.

• 51:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:31Corinne Vien?

  At the like email the city. Hey, something weird happened in the warehouse area.

• 51:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, now I'm also very curious because it's not totally clear from this email. Like, were they running under the bridge away from them or running through the bridge towards them? Because if they were going under the bridge, like maybe the bridge is a portal, like you're saying, like they like were zapping into another world, but they're running under.

• 51:50Corinne Vien?

  I thought that they were like kind of next to the bridge and they were witnessing them run like away and under.

• 51:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 51:57Corinne Vien?

  And then just not pop out the other side.

• 51:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. And what are they running from? What did they steal from our dimension?

• 52:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Oh, run away from the bridge. What if a weird lizard creature is gonna come out?

• 52:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now I want to go to that bridge.

• 52:10Corinne Vien?

  Now you want to go there?

• 52:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, just set up a little like lawn chair.

• 52:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but what are the choices?

• 52:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Margarita.

• 52:15Corinne Vien?

  Go back to the same spot.

• 52:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But if that's their portal where they come and go, or even if it's a portal in general, what else can come and go from there?

• 52:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, see, I was thinking of it more of like a Doctor Strange style portal where like they don't just exist in a specific space. It's more of like you create it wherever you want. Like you're a little looper, like you jump through.

• 52:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But like it has to be like a bridge space?

• 52:34Corinne Vien?

  Gotta go pick up our Starbucks and portal over there.

• 52:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And why they have to go into the bridge?

• 52:38Corinne Vien?

  It just happened while they were running under.

• 52:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're like an obstacle course?

• 52:41Corinne Vien?

  Or that they're like used to, maybe they needed cover and then portal themselves out.

• 52:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know, and this is why it's conspiracy theories.

• 52:49Corinne Vien?

  No, conspiracies are great. I like want to go to my phone and be like, okay, let me read the next one, but like that's it for now.

• 52:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For now, for now. And we actually have an upcoming topic, time glitches, because I think we, we were both like, wait, we want more stories of this. We love a glitch. We love weird things we've created our whole lives and business around it. So much though that we did this.

• 53:09Corinne Vien?

  I feel like we have enough stories to like keep doing stuff like this. People keep emailing, which is good. Keep, keep on sending them.

• 53:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's the message. That's the, that's what we should end on. If you have any encounters, any like, if you were in the gate program and are feeding into this conspiracy and you're like something weird was happening. If you have any conspiracies, seen Men in Black, been abducted by aliens, had a glitch in time, I don't know, were a part of the Philadelphia experiment, whatever it may be. Please email them to us because we want, want to know more.

• 53:37Corinne Vien?

  And you can join us over on Patreon for a bunch of exclusive benefits. You can also subscribe if you don't want to do Patreon, although Patreon has more perks. You can get ad free and one week early episodes by joining Apple Plus, YouTube.

• 53:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All the things.

• 53:52Corinne Vien?

  All the things.

• 53:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Rate and review us, tell your friends about us because that's the pyramid scheme. That's how we get more of you to listen and more stories.

• 54:00Corinne Vien?

  Yay. And thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

• 54:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you, Jamie. We love you.

• 54:06Corinne Vien?

  And we will see you on the other side.

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