James Fishback on DeSantis’s Attack on Free Speech, Randy Fine’s Bloodlust, & America Last Globalism

James Fishback is running for governor in Florida. Pretty soon, all winning Republican politicians will talk like this. (00:00) Why Is James Fishback Running for Florida Governor? (11:18) How Florida's Economy Is Being Sabotaged (15:13) Randy Fine and Ron DeSantis's Anti-Free Speech Laws (33:43) Is Byron Donalds Bought and Paid For? (40:59) The Identity Politics Taking Over the Right Paid partnerships with: Beam: Go to https://ShopBeam.com/Tucker use code TUCKER and get up to 40% off Beam's Dream powder. SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/TUCKER to claim 50% off a new system. There's no safe like SimpliSafe. Battalion Metals: Shop fair-priced gold and silver. Gain clarity and confidence in your financial future at https://battalionmetals.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:33Tucker Carlson?

  So you're running for governor of Florida. Why are you doing that?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  I'm doing it because I love my state. I'm a fourth generation Floridian. And I got to tell you, Tucker, it's really hard to be an American in America these days. It's really hard for Floridians who quite literally put this state on the map. They're not being forced out of this state because they can't afford to live here anymore. All while illegal immigrants still get the free stuff from the Biden years. All while H1B still come into our state and take jobs that belong to Americans here in Florida. And then I think the last straw was this idea of Washington DC negotiating a trade deal with China. And then 600,000 foreign students are going to come to our universities. Maybe a third of them to Florida colleges, where their taxpayer funded universities are going to have to give up their seats from Florida kids from Charlotte County or Lee County to kids from Shanghai and Beijing. It didn't make any sense.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  And so I'm running because I'm the only-

• 1:24Tucker Carlson?

  And that's literally true?

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Literally. That's part of the current framework, this bilateral framework between the US and China right now is that DC is now as a concession to the Chinese in this tariff war that we're going to have to accept 600,000 Chinese foreign students at our schools.

• 1:40Tucker Carlson?

  And you think you're getting 200,000 in Florida?

• 1:43Speaker 02

  We could get 200,000 here in Florida.

• 1:45Tucker Carlson?

  And they would go to state? That's crazy.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  So University of Florida, Florida State, UCF, USF. Now, I think it's easy to get lost in all those numbers, but just take one kid from a small fishing village in Florida and say, hold on, your ability to go to a horticulture program at the University of Florida has now been put on pause. Your entire life has been shelved because we need to have a grand negotiating strategy. With China and tariffs and the AI arms race. It's destroying lives here in Florida. It's just the latest analogy of we're losing sight of what the America first.

• 2:18Tucker Carlson?

  So that's for sure. So that means, I mean, I guess it's all obvious, but I haven't talked it through or really thought it through. So that would mean that there's no preference given to the American born whose family's been paying taxes to support the school. And I should say in Florida, the best schools in Florida are public universities.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  That's right. The largest and the best.

• 2:34Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So University of Florida, number one.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  I think I don't want to get in trouble, but I mean, that just like, yes.

• 2:41Tucker Carlson?

  Hardest to get into. So it's not like they're all going to go to some boutique liberal arts college and pay a hundred grand a year to Middlebury or something. They're going to be taking spots at the public universities that are there to serve the children of taxpayers of Florida.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  That's exactly right.

• 2:56Tucker Carlson?

  Who will not receive preference over them.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Correct. In fact, will be inferior to them in a sense, because when you have this DC mandate coming down that says, hey, because of our grand strategy with China, because the US-China, the Sino-US relationship is on the line, wink, wink, nod, nod. In order to maintain détente with Beijing and Xi Jinping, we need this kid to get in. And it's not going to ever be a direct order, but it's going to be implied in the zeitgeist that, you know, those pesky Americans, you know, the ones that paid to build this university.

• 3:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  They deserve, and forget this idea of fairness and who deserves what. Just objectively speaking, Florida kids who grew up here know the state best. When they graduate, they'll stay in this state. They'll build businesses here, they'll hunt here, they'll raise families here. And when you deny them that ability to do all of that, then what's the point?

• 3:46Tucker Carlson?

  That is a very distressing thing, and that's happening.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  It's happening.

• 3:54Tucker Carlson?

  What has been the posture of state government? Like, what's the governor's office say about that?

• 3:58Speaker 02

  There's been nothing so far. I think Governor Santas has been a great governor, especially during COVID, after COVID, standing up.

• 4:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, I agree with that.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  The indoctrination in our schools, which maybe is the only silver lining from COVID is all the parents actually knew what was going on in the classroom.

• 4:10Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  The white guilt lessons, you know, to the white kids. We don't want the teachers telling the white kids to apologize. And we don't want the teachers also telling the black kids that there's something somehow wrong with them.

• 4:19Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Systemically oppressed and they can never make it. You know, my posture on all of this is, I think it's conservatives. We have to stop playing defense, stop wagging the finger at things we don't like. And start actually having concrete falsifiable solutions. So this issue of China, here's my solution, very simple. On day one, my first executive order as governor next January is to raise tuition on all foreign students to $1 million a year. So Tucker, when they can't pay, they're out and our kids are back in. Their destinies, their lives restored at our great colleges.

• 4:52Tucker Carlson?

  And the legislature can, you can do that by executive order?

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Pure executive order.

• 4:56Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that's clever. Yeah, because foreign students pay full freight typically.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:01Tucker Carlson?

  And unless you're an illegal alien, in which it's subsidized. But, but rich foreigners send their kids to school in America and displace Americans.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Correct. Well, I should say they pay full freight relative, in that moment, to what the tuition is relative to the in-state student. But think about the in-state student, 18 years old, probably worked a job in Florida.

• 5:20Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Lived their whole life, their parents lived their whole life there possibly. So all of those taxes that they paid over their 18 years, their parents 45 years, collectively built that university, funded dormitories, janitors, professors.

• 5:32Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  The, the chief DEI officer, right? All of that was funded. And so it is full freight in an instantaneous sense. But if you take a holistic view, the kid who just got here from Shenzhen, who doesn't know what a Florida orange juice, right? None of that?

• 5:48Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Can't possibly, both in an economic sense, but I think, I mean, not to sound gay, but in a spiritual sense.

• 5:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  You know, like in a spiritual sense, does not represent our state and our heritage.

• 5:59Tucker Carlson?

  It's the opposite of gay, actually. No, I agree with you absolutely and completely. And that's, by the way, how civilization forms its culture is through education, right? And you can't educate the world, that's not your job. And in fact, it's counterproductive.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:12Tucker Carlson?

  To having a distinct culture. So that's what inspired you to get in?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  I think that was the last straw, to tell you the truth. Because I met with a lot of college students in my life before this, which is to say, four and a half weeks ago. I've been running an investment firm called Azoria that I actually launched at all places at Mar-a-Lago last December 2024. Kevin Roberts was there, President Trump, Kathy Wood. And the firm was based on this idea that instead of channeling money into companies that hate America, why don't we channel money into companies that unapologetically stand for American values, like meritocracy, like colorblindness. And so in 2025, I'm proud to say we channeled up to $40 million of investor capital in companies that were doing the crazy thing of not hiring on race and gender and hiring on skill and merit.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  And my company, Azoria, it's actually, its ETF got delisted by our Board of Trustees. They're supposed to be independent, but it got delisted because we submitted an amendment to them saying we wanted to now exclude companies that abuse the H1B program. We said, look, this abuse, it is systematic, it is systemic, it's hurting American workers. And we gave them a five-page research paper that said it's actually hurting the bottom line of these companies because they're bringing in cheap foreign slave labor that doesn't actually add to the synergy of the company. It leads to higher attrition, it breaks down productivity, et cetera. And their response was, you're a racist. And they delisted our fund. And Who did this? The Board of Trustees of the Title Financial Group in October, just nine days after saying,

• 7:43Speaker 02

  hey, here's our formal amendment to broaden the scope of our investment fund to not just exclude companies that are doing the DEI stuff, but actually exclude companies that are doing something that's far more insidious, which is, you're a white guy? No, you don't get a job. We want an Indian guy to do it for half the price. Right. And ethnic cartels form within companies that hire within the ethnicity. It's the opposite of what this country promises. Right. And they gaslight us and say, all the white men hiring officers are only hiring white men. Absolutely not. That's a lie. Not a single HR manager. It's supposed to be a white male country that let in the rest of the world. So clearly we know that's not true. Clearly. And it's all based on the slanderous lie of systemic racism. The only systemic racism in America is against white Christian men. I'm aware.

• 8:26Tucker Carlson?

  That's interesting. And it's interesting to hear you say that as a gubernatorial candidate because even like six months ago, hearing that from an aspiring politician would have been totally shocking. And it does seem like maybe because of you and people like you saying it more, just like, who could disagree with that?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think For me, I was in a small town called Frostproof in southern Polk County. Your viewers may know Grady Judd, he's the most famous sheriff here in Florida. I know Grady Judd, yeah. And so I was down in Frostproof, and this was a community that was teeming with life just 15, 20 years ago. The peak of our citrus industry was the 2005 harvest. 230 million boxes of citrus. This last season, only 14 million. And this was predominantly a white man's industry. And when I went there and I saw what used to be a small movie theater, now a Dollar General, what used to be a family-owned grocery store, now some weird perverted liquor store. When I see entire towns across my state, whether it's Frostproof, Pahokee, Bell Glade, Canal Point, More Haven. Yeah, I've seen it. Utterly hollowed out.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  And the primary victims of what is effectively this America-last globalism that has prioritized other nations and other corporations' interests over our own people, it really does hit hard that we have been sold a bag of goods. And the biggest victims in all of it are actually predominantly white men, to be completely honest. I mean, the victimhood, not to be a victim, but the victimhood is very far-reaching. But if you want to flip the caste system over, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone more oppressed in my state right now than a rural, white, Christian man who relied on cattle, on citrus, on manufacturing. My own dad was a tree trimmer for 20 years. The devastating Haitian earthquake happened in January of 2010.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  And then it was this brilliant idea from a guy named Barack Hussein Obama to let 100 Haitians who were here illegally just stay here and get work authorization. Now, of course, they can't become SAT tutors, so what happens? They do manual labor, like tree trimming. Next thing you know, my dad has lost his business of 20 years through no fault of his own, but because the open border legitimized that labor. And now I'm living on food stamps with my parents, we're on the brink of bankruptcy. Thank God we didn't have to go that far. But that is a real concern, and I felt it in my own community, quite literally in my own family.

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• 13:33Tucker Carlson?

  Thankful you did. I can see why that radicalized you. It radicalizes me just hearing it. What happened to citrus in Florida? Like, the groves have been torn up. It's gone. It's dead.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  It's dead. Greening.

• 13:45Tucker Carlson?

  I can't get a straight answer on that exactly. USDA is part of it. Trade deals are part of it. Do you have any idea what happened?

• 13:54Speaker 02

  So it's not to sound vapid, but it is a multifaceted issue. The proximate cause was greening that really hit 06, 07 and just knocked citrus out. I think

• 14:06Tucker Carlson?

  Greening.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  This, quite coincidentally, from China of all places, and not Wuhan this time, right? But this infestation that led to the premature falling of fruit, of citrus fruit, whether it's Donaldson or Orange Tangela, whatever, off these trees. And you can't sell that fruit if it falls off early. And so that's obviously the proximate cause. And I think it's, again, it's like most conservatives, I'm not going to sit here, I mean, and just blame China for everything. I think the ultimate systemic cause is Democrats and, dare I say, Republicans in Tallahassee just stopped caring. I mean, look, this destroyed an entire industry. 220

• 14:50Speaker 02

  million down to 14 million boxes, entire communities decimated, not just citrus, but all the little mom and pop businesses, the diner, the family-owned grocery store, the little movie theater downtown.

• 15:01Tucker Carlson?

  Citrus was Florida. It was on the license plate.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  It's still it. Well, there's nothing, something else on the license plate now, as I think you know, it's a foreign flag. I've also said as Florida governor, there's going to be no foreign flags flown on our government building. Or in our state license plate.

• 15:12Tucker Carlson?

  I want to ask you about that. How did another country's flag wind up on your license plate? But I'll ask you in a second. So.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 15:17Tucker Carlson?

  But but citrus was at the very center of Florida's economy and its culture.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  It was.

• 15:22Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred years.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And I grew up in in Broward County, which is obviously a very urban place now. But where I grew up in Davie and in West Broward, near the Everglades, we had citrus groves out there when I was a kid. And so you could quite literally go out to like a flamingo gardens and you could smell. You could smell that orange scent.

• 15:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  On a crisp.

• 15:40Tucker Carlson?

  It's a wonderful smell.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  And it is perhaps the sickest analogy that, yes, in a proximate sense, China caused this. But much like COVID, Tucker, it wasn't China. It was the government apathy indifference and intentional sabotage.

• 15:57Tucker Carlson?

  Hostility.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Of our country against its own people.

• 16:00Tucker Carlson?

  So true.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Look, I'm not going to sit here and blame Xi Jinping. He's doing what he thinks is best for his country, and that means screwing us over. I guess that's it. But I can't sit here and say, look, the Chinese are guilty of the fentanyl crisis. These precursors come from interior of China, get shipped to Mexico, get pressed into fentanyl pills and sent across the southern border. But really, it is our leaders that have the ultimate responsibility. They're the last line of defense. So I think as Republicans, we need to grow up and stop blaming all of our problems and embracing this left wing victim culture. And so, look, China this, China that. Here's my solution as Florida governor. Any scientist in the world who wants to develop a strand of citrus

• 16:40Speaker 02

  that is impervious to greening, we're going to pay you $1 billion cash.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  If you can prove and we'll grow it and we'll do it for 18 months. If you take the best scientist in the world, and they may be in Iran of all places, doesn't matter. If there's a scientist or a group of scientists in the world who want to step up and actually solve a problem that has torn asunder entire communities, it's unemployed men and women, hollowed out entire towns across my state. We're going to pay you $1 billion because what that industry represented, that would merely be an investment in bringing back the number one thing that put my state on the map.

• 17:17Tucker Carlson?

  No, that is absolutely, that is absolutely right. And.

• 17:22Tucker Carlson?

  They tore up the groves that took, you know, year, it takes years for an orange tree to go from seedling to fruit bearing and they tore them up. They tore them out of the ground. They burned them. It's really a metaphor for so, for so much. So I want to ask with the foreign flag thing. Um, I always admired DeSantis, certainly during COVID. I thought he was just a remarkable leader, interviewed him many times. I know him and his wife. And it was the foreign policy stuff that made me wonder like, what is this? And how controlled is he by Ken Griffin and the rest of his donors? And then he had this moment where he signed a hate speech law.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:02Tucker Carlson?

  Out of the country. He flew to a foreign country, Israel, to sign a hate speech law for Florida. And I thought, well, this is obviously unconstitutional. It's immoral, but it's also part of an elaborate humiliation ritual where you have to go, not just like enslave your own people with a hate speech law, which that is, it's slavery, but you have to go kiss someone else's wall to show your obedience. And I was like, I'm out. Like, how did that happen?

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Well, it started like most things, terrible things start here in Florida with Randy Fine.

• 18:28Tucker Carlson?

  Randy Fine?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Quite literally.

• 18:30Tucker Carlson?

  The genocide guy?

• 18:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, the genocide guy, the star of away Gaza kids guy.

• 18:33Tucker Carlson?

  I can't even believe he's real. So what, how did, what did he have to do with it?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  So he introduced this law, which effectively criminalized antisemitism in Florida. Now, look, Tucker, I think you and I and your viewers recognize that any form of religious hatred should be condemned unequivocally.

• 18:52Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course, yeah, I have condemned it. I've been condemned antisemitism. I've condemned attacking people for being Muslim with their kids for evil too.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:00Tucker Carlson?

  I was called a jihadi for that. I'm against all of it. And I'm certainly opposed to the anti-Christian hate from.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Which is perhaps the most virulent.

• 19:06Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure. So no, I'm, of course I'm a totally, I'm a Christian. I'm opposed to that, but you can't criminalize attitudes. Every person's free to have his own attitudes, ugly as they may be, period.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Correct. And the issue is, if you look at, if you look at the statutory definition of antisemitism here in Florida, which is 10105 in our state statute, it actually says that criticizing the Jewish state, that would be Israel, holding them to a double standard, denying them.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Their place on the world stage, that's literally in state statute 1015.

• 19:41Tucker Carlson?

  It's against the law to criticize Israel.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Think about that. So if you're a college student at FSU and you're having an earnest, good faith debate with someone who sympathizes with the Israeli cause, you with the Palestinian cause, whatever the case is, and one of you says Netanyahu is a war criminal, or Israel is committing genocide, you could literally be punished and expelled from your taxpayer-funded university by that. And that is messed up, it is unconstitutional.

• 20:08Tucker Carlson?

  It's totally crazy.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  It's totally un-American. And of course, the Republicans and Democrats in Tallahassee got along with it because their donors wanted them to get along with it.

• 20:19Tucker Carlson?

  And so Randy Fine is the one who introduced that?

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Introduced it. And it was his idea to have it signed in Israel.

• 20:25Tucker Carlson?

  Why would DeSantis, who is smart, if nothing, not a warm person, obviously, but he's definitely not stupid, why would he go along with something like that?

• 20:34Speaker 02

  It's a great question. What, you know, I hold the governor to the incredible work that he did during COVID.

• 20:39Tucker Carlson?

  Me too.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Education, all of that. I think that what's quite telling, just recent events, is maybe you heard a foreign leader was here in Florida last week, one Benjamin Netanyahu's fifth visit to the United States.

• 20:51Tucker Carlson?

  He's a criminal.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  He's a total criminal. He's a depraved little man, to be completely honest.

• 20:55Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  And he was here, and, you know, all of Ashley Moody, Bernie Moreno, all came down to meet with him. The governor didn't, Governor DeSantis didn't, but the lieutenant governor, Jay Collins, did. And so I think it's easy for us to go back and say, you know, why did the governor do this, that, or the other several years ago? But at this moment in time, when the governor had the opportunity to meet with Netanyahu, it seems like he deliberately chose not to, which was an absolutely wise decision. But Jay Collins did meet with him, which is actually rather interesting, because 40 hours before that meeting happened, Israeli media said that I am a, quote, "threat," that I am a bigger threat to Israel than Donald Trump's.

• 21:36Tucker Carlson?

  Who is?

• 21:37Speaker 02

  I am.

• 21:38Tucker Carlson?

  You?

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:38Tucker Carlson?

  How old are you?

• 21:39Speaker 02

  I'm 31.

• 21:42Tucker Carlson?

  Well, congratulations for being an existential threat to a nation state because you're running for governor. This is, they really said that?

• 21:49Speaker 02

  They said that, and because I pushed out a policy that was actually quite popular with almost everybody, and it is the fact that Florida lends Israel $385 million as we sit here today. And so what I said is, at day one as governor, executive order number two would be to fully divest all foreign bonds of any country, and there's only one country that we invest in abroad.

• 22:15Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 22:16Speaker 02

  And that's Israel. $385 million. You know what really got them is I said, I would then take the 385 million and create a statewide down payment assistance program for young married couples, because we have to protect homeownership. So young folks across our state can buy a place to live, get married, and have kids.

• 22:34Tucker Carlson?

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  SimpliSafe. But what, okay, so now I'm even more confused. I mean, I'm in Florida pretty regularly. I was not aware that the state of Florida is an investor in Israel.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  State pension fund.

• 24:34Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Well, don't take-

• 24:37Tucker Carlson?

  What does Florida have to do with Israel? It's so far away.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  So, I actually was a government bond trader in a different life, which is, say, three or four years ago. And so I traded government bonds and interest rate futures and all of that stuff. And so what happened was, after the tragedy that was October 7th, and unequivocally was a tragedy-

• 24:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  It, the Florida state government, state chief financial officer, Jimmy Patronas, who's now in Congress, he announced that to stand with Israel, we were going to start buying tens of millions, which became hundreds of millions of dollars, in Israeli bonds. This was a purely political decision. It wasn't a decision that says, hey, the, the yield, the rate of return on Israeli debt is actually quite high, so we should buy some. No, it was to stand in solidarity with a foreign country. We are going to take taxpayer money and lend it in the form of a sovereign government bond purchase. They weren't even hiding how nakedly political they were. And just for a moment, I just want to-

• 25:39Tucker Carlson?

  But what about the pensioners who rely on the returns of those bonds to, like, fund their retirement? Or the people of Florida? Don't they, isn't there fiduciary duty of the legislature to, like, look out for their interests? Or is it only about helping Bibi?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  The latter. Truly. I mean, you're right. And by the way, and I say this as someone who was a fiduciary as an investor-

• 25:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Think about it just for a moment. A country is going to war, is currently being confronted by a soon to be nuclear power in Iran, they say.

• 26:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Is escalating tensions with all of its neighbors, just objectively, forget what country that is.

• 26:15Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  And now you think it's a good time to compromise your fiduciary responsibility and buy their government debt? I mean, like, can you imagine someone saying like-

• 26:23Tucker Carlson?

  That seems like a good long-term bet.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Investment, right? Can you imagine someone saying, like, whoever they are, and saying, like, "We just invaded Iraq in '03, we should just stand with Iraq and buy their bonds." Like, forget who Saddam Hussein was. Why would it be a good idea to buy Iraqi government bonds? Right? And by the way, they don't offer a terrible amount of interest. Actually, Israeli bonds often yield less than US treasuries.

• 26:46Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's not like they were yielding 20% and they were actually an objectively good decision for our pensioners. No, it was a nakedly political position without any risk-reward. It was all risk and no reward to appease the Israeli government and donors.

• 27:02Tucker Carlson?

  Here's what I don't understand. So the donors in Florida, so there are a lot of very rich, very active donors in Florida who support Israel also, why don't they send their money? I don't understand. Like, if you're a billionaire, why are you pressuring some poor, low-IQ Florida politician to spend taxpayer money in a foreign country when you could just send your own money to the foreign country?

• 27:25Speaker 02

  I actually think it is sadistic.

• 27:29Tucker Carlson?

  I think so, too.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  I think it's actually symbolic, because you're right. A large hedge fund in Miami or Palm Beach could-

• 27:35Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  I mean, it would be nothing to buy $380 million of Israeli bonds. They could have leverage, I mean, nothing, it would be done in one day. But it's the symbolism of the solidarity. And by the way, the Florida state pension framework prohibits all foreign government bond purchases with one exception: Israel.

• 27:54Tucker Carlson?

  Were you serious?

• 27:55Speaker 02

  So it is literally prohibited in their investment framework that you cannot buy the bonds of any country, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the UK, and those actually may be good investments. But Israel, for, in their own words, to stand in solidarity with them after October 7th, we decided to send $385 million. And that's why as Florida governor, I'm going to divest that full 385 and then start a statewide, with that money, a statewide down payment assistance program. Because right now, you've got young couples across the state who are renting, they're staring down the prospect of the 50-year mortgage, they can't feel like they have any equity in their future.

• 28:32Tucker Carlson?

  What's a 50-year mortgage? Well, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  That's the solution to the affordability crisis.

• 28:37Tucker Carlson?

  You just turn everyone into a renter?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's usury. It's just imposing usury on us.

• 28:45Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, I knew the answer to my own question, but it's just so grotesque, it's hard to believe that's real.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  But I think this is the, I think this is the frustration, not with the president, but with a lot of his advisors, is there are real concerns about affordability in my state, and number one is homeownership, right? If you can't buy a home, can you get married? If you can't get married, can you have kids? If you can't have kids, then what on earth is the point, Tucker?

• 29:07Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Right? And so I think the president instinctively recognizes that we have to solve this problem, but the solution isn't to go from 30 years of debt slavery to 50 years, so you can save a hundred dollars a month. I mean, my dad and I did the math, and for the average home here in Florida, a 50-year mortgage would mean that if you paid $250,000 to the mortgage servicer, you would own precisely $18,000 of equity in your home. This is literally what was called out biblically, what we were warned against.

• 29:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, it was. That's correct.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  And so we have to be very honest about the system that they're creating. You know, I was kind of skeptical, I think in 15 and 16, when the World Economic Forum trotted out this, the year is 2030 and you will own nothing. We are rapidly racing toward that today.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  And people are getting off on it, and actually like in a sexual sadistic way.

• 29:59Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  That we are, I think, cucked to the point that we have to bend over. We can't own anything. We can't have jobs in our country anymore. And if we ask questions about why we sent $385 million, if I stand up as a candidate for governor, I am smeared by the, effectively, the state media of Israel and called a threat to their country.

• 30:20Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you are a threat, actually, because, for example, I didn't know that. I didn't know that the state of Florida's pension fund had invested $300 million in Israeli bonds, and they're the only country that the state's allowed to buy bonds from. And, I mean, I didn't know any of that. So just saying that out loud is a massive threat. I think all of this stuff happens because people don't know it's happening, and they're kind of lulled like cattle into a trance, don't you think?

• 30:51Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 30:52Tucker Carlson?

  So, uh, so the genocide guy is the one who came up with the hate speech law. Now, was he a member of Congress, then?

• 31:02Speaker 02

  State, state representatives.

• 31:04Tucker Carlson?

  State, Randy Fine.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, state house.

• 31:06Tucker Carlson?

  Um, have you talked to him?

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Well, he called me the other day, actually.

• 31:10Tucker Carlson?

  The genocide guy called you?

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, the genocide guy called me. He woke me up at like 7:00, 7:00 AM.

• 31:14Tucker Carlson?

  That's never a good day.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  He was breathing.

• 31:16Tucker Carlson?

  When the genocide guy calls and wakes you up.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  He was breathing rather heavily.

• 31:19Tucker Carlson?

  I bet he was.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  And I think he was in a car. I heard some Cheez-Its rumbling around in the backseat. I know that sound, Tucker. I know the difference between a Cheez-It and a Pringle.

• 31:28Tucker Carlson?

  I do, too.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  As a former addict. But, gosh, so he calls me and says, "I hear you're running against Byron." And I said-

• 31:35Tucker Carlson?

  But that'd be Byron Donalds.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  That'd be Byron Donalds, yes. It goes on many names. We have H1 Byron, AIPAC, Shakur. We can get into that later. "I hear you're running against Byron Donalds." And I said, "Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I respect him. I'm thinking about it, Congressman." And he says, well, you know, you should know that it's not very nice to Byron. If you did that, I don't care what's nice to Byron Congressman. I'm fighting for my state. My state is getting sold off in pieces by the property developers.

• 31:59Tucker Carlson?

  True.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Getting sold off what were once citrus groves and cattle ranches are now going to be scam Altman's next AI data center. That's not what we stand for here in Florida. And so for 42 minutes, he proceeds to call me out. And I'm just listen, I'm brushing my teeth. I'm on mute. I just let him talk. But it was very clear, and this is before I had formally announced, but it was publicly talked about that I was seriously considering running, that a sitting member of Congress in Washington DC at the time was taking 42 minutes out of his day, not to talk to a constituent about one of their needs, but to intimidate me into not challenging.

• 32:34Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think he was trying to intimidate you?

• 32:36Speaker 02

  I think so. Didn't work.

• 32:38Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, if he laughs at the murder of children, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:44Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. Does he have power in the state?

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Not really. He has power in the sense that he's the only, he was the only Jewish Republican in Florida in the state, House, state senate. He, of course, then when, when Mike Walz got appointed to National Security Advisor, did such a brilliant job there, his seat was vacant. And then Randy Fine quickly moved into the district and decided to run for Congress after quite literally two months beforehand, being elected to the state senate after having served in the state house. And that's why I'm proud to support my friend Aaron Baker, who's now running against Randy Fine, primarying him.

• 33:20Tucker Carlson?

  So Fine's not even from the district?

• 33:21Speaker 02

  No, he's not. He's from, he's from Brevard County down in Melbourne.

• 33:24Tucker Carlson?

  How did he get the seat? How did he win?

• 33:28Speaker 02

  A lot of strings. And of course, you know, the president came in and endorsed him as well, but a lot of very powerful people pulled strings. And it's actually a very deep red district that he only ended up winning by five points, which just shows you how deeply detested he is by the people of Florida's sixth congressional district.

• 33:42Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, I mean, if members of Congress shouldn't endorse genocide or laugh at the murder of children.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 33:47Tucker Carlson?

  That's disqualifying.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Right. Quite literally starve away when there was an image, this is July of 2025, an image of children starving.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  His answer was starve away. A sitting member.

• 34:02Tucker Carlson?

  I called the Speaker of the House when that happened and I don't get involved in anything really, but I said, I don't know how you can have this guy in the Republican Party. I'm not going to vote for that. I would never vote for a party that endorses killing kids. Why would I do that? I'm a human being.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  But George Santos got some botox and he gets expelled. I mean, think about that for a second, right?

• 34:19Tucker Carlson?

  No, still starve away? That's like, it's everything that we have to be against.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  That's right. And I think whichever side of that conflict, and I think most Americans, they resonate with the words of President Trump is you want the killing to stop. Whether it's in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, it doesn't matter.

• 34:36Tucker Carlson?

  If I was a Jewish Israeli Zionist, I would still feel that way. You can't ever laugh at the death of children. It's nothing to, yeah, that's, it's totally disqualifying.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  To the point where he was literally disavowed by AIPAC.

• 34:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Literally disavowed by

• 34:50Tucker Carlson?

  Takes a lot.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  AIPAC of all groups. Speaking of which, Miriam Adelson has already announced that she's funding a war chest against me. Told that to NBC News last month.

• 34:59Tucker Carlson?

  Against you?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Against me, called me out by name. We're monitored, they did the meme talker. We're literally monitoring the situation is what was said. And Ms. Adelson will be raising a war chest against Mr. Fishback.

• 35:12Tucker Carlson?

  Miriam Adelson is spending against you?

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:16Tucker Carlson?

  And she's backing?

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Byron.

• 35:19Tucker Carlson?

  Byron. And that's why you call him AIPAC Shakur?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Among other reasons.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  It's the second, the second part of it for other reasons. I wouldn't call, I wouldn't call Randy AIPAC Shakur.

• 35:33Tucker Carlson?

  That is just too funny. You don't need to be an economist to see what's happening. The dollar is in trouble. It's getting weaker. It's sad, but we're not in charge of it. So we have to respond appropriately in ways to protect our families. When paper money dies, it's going to be replaced by programmable digital currency or gold. Gold survives. The same Americans who think they're protecting themselves with gold are the ones getting ripped off by big gold dealers. After we left corporate media, we got offered tens of millions of dollars to promote gold companies. How do they get the money to spend that much on marketing? Cause they're scamming their customers. We didn't want anything to do with that. So we sought an honest broker and together we formed a precious metals company that you can actually trust. It's called Battalion Metals. At BattalionMetals.com, we publish actual spot prices.

• 36:15Tucker Carlson?

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• 36:33Speaker 06

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• 37:03Speaker 07

  Honey, that flu keeping you up? Yeah, I don't got this. You need NyQuil Intense Flu.

• 37:09Speaker 08

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• 37:19Speaker 02

  How has he responded to AIPAC, Shakur? Well, his campaign called me racist. Not for that comment, but because I called him a slave to his donors. Yeah. And I said, with all due respect, I'll stop calling you a slave if you give the money back. The $45 million you gave to your donor, that your donors gave you. $45 million? $45 million in a primary that was uncontested until five weeks ago. No way. $45 million in an uncontested primary until five weeks ago, until I entered. And that was all to encourage him to make Florida better? Apparently. And his idea of making Florida better, in his own words, he wants to, quote, "speed up the construction of AI data centers." His words. He said in a private meeting with donors, I have a friend of mine who was there. And he said, "What do you think about Fishback's proposal

• 38:04Speaker 02

  to ban Blackstone from buying single-family homes and forcing us to rent as opposed to own?" And what Byron told the donor in that meeting is that Blackstone bailed the economy. They saved us in the financial crisis. They deserve to be able to buy those homes. That's capitalism. That was his response. And I say, look, the goal here is we need to look out for our own people. When a family of four is getting outbid by 1,500 bucks by a private equity firm that's taking Chinese money at the capital gains rate, as opposed to the rate that you and I pay and everyone else pays?

• 38:36Tucker Carlson?

  Half, they pay half the tax.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  They pay half. Carried interest. 20%. And he thinks that because of what Blackstone did, which they didn't actually do, what Blackstone allegedly did in 2008, gives them cover to run roughshod over all of us and to take homes from under our feet? And this is not a hypothetical thing. This is happening right now in our state.

• 38:58Tucker Carlson?

  Byron said that?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Byron said that to a donor. Because what I have said, executive order number three, is that I would ban Blackstone, any private equity firm, any Airbnb speculator, and any foreign national from buying a single-family home in this state of Florida. You don't get to have a right to our homes. If you or I were to go to Canada right now and buy a single-family home, we would legally be prohibited from doing so. Because say what you want about Trudeau or Carney, I guess they got the memo that Canadian, that Canada is for Canadians. America's for Americans. And I don't think it's okay that a Chinese national, a Russian national, or an Israeli national can come here and outbid a family that's known this state for two, three generations? And say, you know what? That home that you wanted to buy to get married to your wife

• 39:44Speaker 02

  and to have three kids? That's not available anymore because a foreign national wants to vacation here for five weeks out of the year.

• 39:51Tucker Carlson?

  Man, you're spinning me up. Getting mad just hearing this. Um, what kind of reaction do you get when you say that?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Very positive. I'll tell you one.

• 40:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I bet you do.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Well, I get a very positive reaction because I think, and you've pointed this out. I loved your speech at Amfest. Because you recognized that America First is not owned exclusively by any party.

• 40:13Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  In fact, if you went out and polled that very question, that framework that you put out, which is the American government should exclusively look out for the interests of its citizens, 90% of not just Republicans, of literally everyone would agree with that statement.

• 40:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  And so what I was amazed by is we had a meet and greet in Tampa Bay this past weekend. And we had 50 or so people RSVP'd, over 200 showed up and a dozen on their way out said, "I wasn't even a Republican. I'm an independent. I'm a Democrat. I am changing my party affiliation so I can vote for you in the primary." Because just like South Carolina, I know you had Paul on recently, just like South Carolina, Florida is a red state. The next governor, mathematically, will be a Republican. Trump won the state by 13, Ron DeSantis by 19. The next governor's gonna be Republican. The question is, what kind of Republican, Tucker?

• 41:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, if it's the Republican who laughs at dead children, I'm not voting Republican. I'm not gonna ever vote for anyone like that. Anyone who's pro-death, who's against human dignity for hate speech laws, who doesn't think that providing the next generation a chance to get married and have kids and own a home, if you're not on board with that, then I have nothing in common with you. I don't care what you call yourself.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  That's right. And I think this idea of the party labels has become a hall of mirrors.

• 41:33Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  What you see isn't what you get. I mean, by the way, Byron Donalds, as of right now, still endorses Randy Fines reelection bid, despite that starve-away comment. And they tried to cancel you for having a conversation with a certain someone. He's literally endorsing a member of Congress who told innocent children, who were literally starving on video, to starve away. That tells you everything you need to know about my opponent, Byron Donalds.

• 42:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I know Byron and I've always gotten along with him. He's super cheerful. I didn't realize, is he ideological? I've never detected that.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  No. That's why I call him a slave.

• 42:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. What did, and they called you a racist for that?

• 42:17Speaker 02

  They did. Which is actually quite interesting, because I got a call from the Foundational Black American Society here in Florida, who reminded me that Byron's...

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Mother is Jamaican, he is Panamanian, and they found it quite insulting, in their words, that he would try to claim victimhood of slavery without a single descendant of American slaves in his family.

• 42:37Tucker Carlson?

  I like those foundational guys.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  They're so good.

• 42:39Tucker Carlson?

  Rik Nasheed and all, I mean, I don't agree with everything, but like, I, they've got a perspective. If your family's been here 400 years, and the descendants of a lot of American slaves or families have been here 400 years, I don't know, I think that gives, I'll listen to you.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 42:53Tucker Carlson?

  Like, you've got, you know, you've got a point of view that is legitimate, I think.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're unequivocally heritage Americans.

• 42:59Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 43:00Tucker Carlson?

  They're definitely heritage Americans, if anyone is. And, you know, someone rolls in from Ghana and like, you know, gets an MSNBC slot and starts telling, speaking on behalf of black people, it's like, shut up, honey, you've got nothing to do with this.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:14Tucker Carlson?

  That's a fair perspective.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:16Tucker Carlson?

  I think.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  And so it's good to actually see them call them out for that. That's actually cultural appropriation. Appropriating the struggle of slavery.

• 43:22Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  And the struggle of slavery was real, that's, I mean, I don't think Republicans ever want to really whitewash that, it's real.

• 43:27Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Right? But for Byron's-

• 43:29Tucker Carlson?

  We're against slavery.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  We're against it.

• 43:30Tucker Carlson?

  Whether it's in the, you know, West Bank, or here, or anywhere.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Or anywhere.

• 43:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, against it.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  And so for Byron's group, his team, to call me, and essentially our entire supporting base, racists for saying that you're a slave, when quite literally you took $45 million, you won't tell us what you agreed to, to take that money this early in a primary, which is unprecedented, you know this, how unprecedented that kind of money is in an uncontested primary until now. But secondarily, to actually go out and try to gaslight us and think that you're just one of those guys that has been here, you know, since the early 1800s, and your family was in the struggle too, you're not. And it's a very interesting term that the foundational black Americans use, it's called tether. They're tethering these tethers, like Byron Donalds. They come here, literally one generation in, and they try to just sit around and act

• 44:19Speaker 02

  so folksy, that we're all part of the same struggle, and we're all down on our, and we need to fight against, no, you just got here, dude. Like the Haitians, like the guys from Ghana who just got here, you don't get to just be a part of our system and then lecture us-

• 44:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  -about how our country went wrong.

• 44:35Tucker Carlson?

  Well, and if you're- Republican, supposedly conservative Republican, to throw around the term racist. I mean, that's what I personally, I'll speak for myself, I voted against that in November last year.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 44:45Tucker Carlson?

  I don't like that style of non-argument, just dismiss someone off the top. You're, you're a bad person, I don't have to respond to your specific charge against me. I, I'm too old for that.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:55Tucker Carlson?

  I thought we were, aren't we opposed to that, identity politics?

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And I'll tell you, the, the identity politics of the right is probably the greatest it's ever been. But it's actually codified into law, which is the scariest part.

• 45:09Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed that.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Right? You know, say what you want, but left-wing identity politics never criminalized being a racist to a black person. In that sense, like, there was never a hate speech law against, which would have been unjust, to call out a black person or black culture or anything like that. I think that's deplorable to single out any, I think as a Christian, I would, right, of course condemn that.

• 45:29Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  But it's interesting that there's only a hate speech law for one particular foreign nation, as opposed to anything, I'm against them entirely because they're blatantly unconstitutional, they violate the First Amendment.

• 45:41Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  But it's interesting that right-wing identity politics has gotten to this point where antisemitic is just a term. I mean, I was, I got a call from the Sunset Auditorial Board, they were interviewing me the other day, and they said, it's just fascinating, this is the paper of record in South Florida, my childhood paper in Fort Lauderdale, and they asked me, "Why did you put out an antisemitic proposal to divest the $385 million?"

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Said, "How is it antisemitic to bring back money, our money that was foolishly sent over?"

• 46:12Tucker Carlson?

  To not buy sovereign bonds? Like, what?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Which actually have a subpar return, given the geopolitical risk premium on offer in Israel right now, if we're gonna be completely honest, right?

• 46:23Tucker Carlson?

  What? They actually said that to you?

• 46:25Speaker 02

  They actually said that. And I just challenged the entire premise.

• 46:27Tucker Carlson?

  Buy our bonds or you're a Nazi, is that kind of the trade?

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Or you're a Nazi. And by the way, think about this, Tucker.

• 46:33Tucker Carlson?

  This is so bonkers, I can't.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  What's actually anti Sem- because this $385 million statewide down payment assistance program, this would of course go to any Florida resident who is young and married. So the ironic thing is that actually opposing it, if anything, would be anti Semitic because they're going to be young Jewish couples.

• 46:49Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Who are ready to buy a home, start a family and live out the American dream here in the Sunshine State. And so it's amazing that we've gotten to this point of debate and discourse in America where the ad hominem attack precludes the debate from even happening. Look, you want to have an honest, earnest debate about buying Israeli bonds? Fine, I welcome that debate. But don't sit here and call American citizens anti Semitic for opposing a third of a billion dollars being shipped overseas to fund some stupid war.

• 47:15Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree. And it is kind of crazy if you think about, I've got nothing against Miriam Adelson personally, I know her. But I mean, she's an Israeli. And Donald Trump said in his remarks on television in the Knesset, to her, you care about Israel more than the United States, which is her right. But how is she a huge player in my country, not her country, my country's politics? Like, how was that allowed? If there was some Chinese guy and he was pretty open about caring a lot more about the CCP than he cares about the United States, it would not be cool to take money from him. And that person would not be allowed to get on TV and be like, I don't like what you're saying about my actual country, therefore I'm going to drown you in gambling money.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  From China?

• 47:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  From Macau?

• 48:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, can you imagine like the equivalent?

• 48:02Tucker Carlson?

  What is going on? Why is, why do we think this is normal? Talk about foreign interference in our elections.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  But it's, it's a two tiered system of foreign interference. Because remember Jack Ma from Alibaba?

• 48:11Tucker Carlson?

  Very well.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Right? Can you imagine if Jack Ma was running around telling NBC News he was going to fund political candidates?

• 48:16Tucker Carlson?

  Well, exactly.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  How outraged? He would literally get investigated by the DOJ on some made up money laundering charge.

• 48:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, that is right.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Moved some comma the wrong way and it's suddenly wire fraud under the commerce clause, right? But think about it. Can you imagine how repulsed we would all rightly be if Jack Ma or some Ukrainian or Russian oligarch was openly, flagrantly being involved in US politics?

• 48:41Tucker Carlson?

  That's totally bonkers. Um, so when you call, has Byron taken money from AIPAC?

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:48Tucker Carlson?

  So that's why AIPAC Shakur?

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:50Tucker Carlson?

  I just like saying that.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  I'm only factual with these things.

• 48:51Tucker Carlson?

  Because it's very funny. Did that go over well?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  It went over very well. It went over very well. And people like it. I think people want, I don't try to take myself too seriously. And, you know, I think-

• 49:05Tucker Carlson?

  We're not allowed to.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  We're not allowed to. Gen Z was such an important part of the president's victory last year.

• 49:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  And they feel betrayed by a lot of these Trump advisors and what they've chosen to prioritize and not.

• 49:18Tucker Carlson?

  I can see why.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  And when I've met them, and I've met them where they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple of weeks ago, I'll be at FSU in just a couple of weeks from now, their number one frustration is that, look, they don't want to be lectured anymore. They got a degree, they got good grades, they got good test scores. They didn't study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the STEM thing that Republicans told them to do.

• 49:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, learn to code.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Learn to code. And now they say, you know what? Amazon, Google, FedEx? No, no, those jobs aren't available for you, you pesky Americans. You want paid time off. You want to go to church on Sunday. We're going to give those jobs to an entire new class of foreign serfs known as the Indians and the Chinese. And we're not going to even interview you for those positions. They don't even pretend that the Chinese or the Indians are smarter. They're not. They don't speak our language. They have no skin in the game.

• 50:11Tucker Carlson?

  They're not smarter, actually.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  They're not at all.

• 50:13Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  And so the issue then becomes, do we actually have a labor market that is utterly rigged against American citizens? The answer is yes. And you know that by virtue of the H1B program. These tech companies, it's not as if they've stopped hiring, generally, they've stopped hiring Americans because they can bring in all this cheap foreign labor. My belief is that-

• 50:37Speaker 02

  A market-based wage is always going to attract the best labor.

• 50:40Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  100%.

• 50:42Tucker Carlson?

  That's the promise of the market, right?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  It is. And, you know, someone like Ben Shapiro to come out at Amfest in one of the side panels and he said, "I want white men to stop complaining and get off the couch because there are jobs that are available." No, no, no. Here's the truth, Ben. When you say that, you say, "Americans won't work these jobs." No, Ben Shapiro, they won't work these jobs at the slave sub-market wages that you are offering them. You offer someone here in my state an honest wage for an honest day's work. They'll take that every single time and they'll show up, but they'll take off on Sunday to praise our Christian Lord.

• 51:15Tucker Carlson?

  It's funny to see, I never mention Ben Shapiro because I don't think about him very often, but on those moments where you see what somebody really thinks, if you talk long enough, you reveal what you really think. It's always been my view. Ben Shapiro's total disdain and loathing for white Christian men is every bit as real, every bit as bristling with hostility as any kind of college democratic socialist of America leftist.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:46Tucker Carlson?

  It's exactly the same. It's just like he just hates them.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  He hates them.

• 51:49Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 51:50Speaker 02

  So, it's probably because, I mean, there's a lot of reasons, but I think that entire class of people doesn't have a real solution and in fact has profited on the demise of all of this. And it's not just young white men, it's young black women who literally studied engineering and said, "You know what? I want to go get a job working on this bridge. No, that job, that's not available for you anymore. That job was given to an Indian." And it's actually effectively DEI for Indians in the name of capitalism.

• 52:23Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed, yeah.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Right? And I think this is a part of a bigger debate that's happening within the party. They call it a civil war. I call it a genuine, good-spirited debate. Is if we are saying that we're principled conservatives, then it begs the question, from where do we draw these principles?

• 52:39Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Right? Is it from the American Enterprise Institute? Is it from Ronna McDaniel's Handbook on Conservative Principles? Or is it from our Christian Bible?

• 52:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Is it from our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers? And I think this idea of the free market, I think the free market is a great place to get to the destination, but the destination is not a free market. Tucker, we don't get to sit here and say, well, our people are suffering and they're unemployed and they're addicted to fentanyl and they can't have kids and they can't own a home and there's 50 years of usury. But you know what? We got a free market and we have the freest market in the world. We have the freest market in the world. No, if the goal was a free market, Tucker, there'd be a slave auction happening outside right now.

• 53:19Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  There's supply, there's demand, there's an equilibrium. My view in the America First movement is our North Star should not be a free market, but a free people. And when I say free people, I mean American citizens. I don't mean the H1Bs. I don't mean the Haitians on TPS. And I sure as heck, I sure as heck don't mean any corporation that wants to come here and plant a flag and say that our goal is to boost profit margins and stock price. And all of a sudden, all that matters is not whether you can raise a family or buy a home, but the GDP beat expectations on your Bloomberg terminal.

• 53:50Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right. That's exactly right. How did you? Can I say something? Cause I know to the extent this will be seen and criticized. I'm sure that people will say, but this guy was in a sex scandal and you didn't mention it. I just, I'm not asking you to respond to this. I just wanted to tell you my reasoning on it. So the second you were deemed a threat, they sent people out and tried to call you a sex criminal. Um, you've not been charged with any sex crime that I know of. And if you're a sex criminal, you know, I hope you go to jail. And if you're not, I hope they stop saying it. But a lot of people are pushing that, have no basis. I just, I don't want to, you know, attack anyone in particular, but it's pretty unbelievable that some of the people pushing that would accuse somebody else of having an unorthodox sex life.

• 54:34Tucker Carlson?

  I think it's shocking actually, given what I know. So I hope they'll stop doing that because they have no basis for doing that. And that's why I'm not bringing it up. So I just want to say that.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Well, thank you, Tucker.

• 54:44Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, it makes me mad.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Well, that level of hypocrisy is too much. That's Pharisee level hypocrisy. Can't have that.

• 54:50Tucker Carlson?

  It is. And you know, the truth is, is that.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Unlike a certain someone who deleted social media recently because he couldn't take the heat, I recognize that my entire life is going to be blown open, that there was a guy taking pictures of me outside of my house the other day, people taking videos of me at a bar. It's gonna happen and I welcome it. I welcome that. I think if you're gonna run the third largest state, you're gonna control the life of effectively 23 and a half million people here in Florida, you should have to be an open book. But on that particular point, if you'll allow me just to address it.

• 55:22Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Nowadays, false accusations against men are all too common.

• 55:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Those accusations were brought before a judge in Florida's Second Judicial Circuit, and after two lengthy hearings, I was fully exonerated. So don't take my word for it. There was seven hours of hearing time, evidence, all of that, and a judge said, you know what? Not credible, no evidence to support it. Mr. Frischback, I apologize, effectively, and you're exonerated. And so I think the silver lining to this particular attack against me is that it's already gone through due process, and the fact that it's coming out now, I think, shows that our campaign, our vision, is a real threat to the deep establishment interests that have hijacked our state.

• 56:03Tucker Carlson?

  But of all things to hit you on by those people, it's, you know, that enraged me. Like, if you're gonna accuse someone else of having a weird sex life, you better have a pretty normal sex life. And if you don't, you shouldn't do that. That's really too much hypocrisy for me. So the other attack that I have seen against you is that your views have changed.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:26Tucker Carlson?

  And the response I have seen from you was, oh, yeah, they have. So, which is a great response, I think. My views have changed completely, so I'm with you.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:35Tucker Carlson?

  Tell me how your views and why your views changed.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Well, I would start on this issue of the economy first and foremost, because I dropped out of college in 2015 to start a hedge fund, and I did that for five years.

• 56:52Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:54Tucker Carlson?

  Good for you.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  So I was a macro trader, which meant that I was always fascinated with geopolitics. I was a high school debate kid for four years. It changed my life. I had a stutter. I wasn't as confident speaking publicly. And turns out going to a high school debate tournament every other weekend for four years will turn that around pretty quickly.

• 57:07Tucker Carlson?

  Big time. Yes.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  First tournament, by the way, was at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.

• 57:12Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  In 2009, where we actually debated an assault weapons ban, an assault weapons ban, of all things.

• 57:18Tucker Carlson?

  That's wild.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  But yeah, grew up in Broward County, and... My, my career has been as an investor, looking at the world as a macro investor saying, "How is the Fed gonna screw this up next?" Right? Looking at what happened with COVID, the supply chain, the supply chain lockdowns, the massive fiscal transfers, the stimulus that was going into the economy, oftentimes to the lowest income folks, which had the highest propensity to spend, that was clearly going to cause inflation alongside the money printing from the Fed, upwards of $5 trillion. And so those are the types of trades that I put on as an investor. And so I really viewed a lot of this world from quite literally the perch of a Bloomberg terminal. So when I was saying, "Looking at GDP expectations on a Bloomberg," that was me for 10 years.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  I spent a lot more time on the ground. I started a nonprofit called Incubate Debate to offer free high school debate leagues all across my state, from Pensacola to Miami. And when I really got to travel these hollowed-out places that were once teeming with life, booming with industry, I saw how detached that world was from this Bloomberg terminal, where I had seen GDP and inflation and consumer spending. Yes. And said, "You know, I respect President Trump, but when I hear about another trillion dollars coming in from Nvidia, I guess the obvious question is, how does that help a single dad who lost his job five years ago and hasn't been able to get back on his feet? What are we optimizing for? Is the goal GDP?

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Or is the goal, as I think my friend Nathan Hobelstott from, from New Founding says, is the goal the, I think, the ultimate economics statistic these days, which is what percentage of 30-year-old men own their home and are married? If you think about your entire economic policy framework around that question. And I do. Right? And so if the question is, "Will we build this AI data center?" I don't know. Does it help 30-year-old men get married or buy their home? The answer would obviously be no, because it employs 50 people, who are all foreign laborers for the most part. That doesn't help. But if we're gonna revitalize citrus here in Florida, if we're gonna actually build out local businesses and help people get on their feet and create local, great-paying

• 59:29Speaker 02

  jobs and end the H1B scam and ban Blackstone, if we vote... On those economic policies with the end goal being thirty year old men are more likely on the margin to buy a home and get married as a result of this policy, then sign me up. And so my distortion was, look, I spent much of my twenties going to events by the Brookings Institution. And AEI and heritage and and learning about the economy through that vantage point. And so guilty as charged, I think my views really, I voted for Trump proudly in 2016. I've always been a Republican for whatever that's worth, quite literally since since high school. And I registered to vote in junior year high school. Didn't vote junior year high school. I don't want anyone to think I'm committing voter fraud. But You're not the only one.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  But my views, I think.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  If I were to give one reason, I think X, and everyone talks about X, but I want to talk about it in a very specific way to my life. I think it's hard to watch something and get really red pilled or nationalist pilled. I think you have to have a steady stream of objective factual information. For me and my grandma, that was your monologues in 2020, quite literally, and we bonded over those. For me, the last year or so, it's been following AF Post, this X account that just puts out thirty, forty posts a day. Kind of punchy, kind of funny, but really factually grounded news about what's happening, whether it's a company announcing H one B hires. And they editorialize in the sense that if Amazon announces that they're laying off thirty thousand people,

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  they won't just print that headline like the Wall Street Journal editorial board will, those globalist shills. They will print that headline, but also contextualize it by saying that Amazon also just brought on ten thousand H one Bs. So they have no issue firing our people. But they will bring on foreign labor and not apologize for it. And so when accounts like AF Post actually give us the full context around something, which the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal would never do. I really appreciate that. I think for me on.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  On the issue, which I get the biggest pushback on is Israel, right? How you you wrote for Barry Weiss, you wrote for the Free Press. I wrote an article about high school debate going woke in 2023, which I'm really proud of. It was the basis for my nonprofit really growing to the next level because there were quite literally high school debate tournaments that were taxpayer funded. Here in Florida, they were told a young black girl before a speech about President Biden's foreign policy track record that if she mentioned Donald Trump's name, she would be disqualified in a public school. We had we had one judge in writing saying, in writing, Tucker, I am a Marxist Leninist Maoist, and if you criticize any of the following subjects, you are automatically disqualified.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  One judge went so far as to say, again, in writing, not hearsay, literally in writing They felt comfortable writing that, yeah. Which tells everything about the world of high school debate and academia. But it's really personal to me because high school debate changed my life and it always was a marketplace of ideas until this guy named Trump came down the escalator. One judge said, if we're debating immigration and you refer to them as illegal, I will end the debate, give you the loss and lecture you lecture you because I will not have you making the debate space unsafe.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  And so, you know, I cold emailed, cold called Barry Weiss because I knew the Free Press was kind of in this business of publishing edgy pieces about how institutions had been hijacked and this was in 2023. And I said, hey, I had this crazy story. I'm a former high school debate champion. I have this crazy story about how high school debate has gone woke and my solution to it, which is my nonprofit, and she published it and went bonkers. And so I think people are looking at that and saying, well, you were aligned with Barry Weiss. And I think to their to their credit to that thing, I did put out a post when her book came out about antisemitism, because after October 7th, I think like a lot of people, I saw what was happening on college campuses and said, that's wrong. Not because it was exclusively focused on Jewish students, but any black lesbian with

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  red hair running into a math class saying like free Palestine and white men need to apologize for the alleged sins of their ancestors, that's wrong. I guess I was led to believe that that was all part of this antisemitism thing. I called it out, thinking it was antisemitism, but really it was anti-Americanism. It was anti-Christianism. Well, that's for sure. And my views on Israel changed in for two reasons. I was invited on one of these paid trips to Israel's as a young business professional, and I very quickly found out what it was. It was a propaganda trip and what I was told that I couldn't. Go certain places on my owner, had to follow a very simple script when I left about what I would be, I'd have to clear my experiences to share them online. Yeah. And I said, I'm not doing that. I'm not, I'm happy to go to a foreign country, but I'm not doing it

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  on your dime and have to pare it out some script that was approved by AIPAC. That was the first straw where I kind of became a little bit more skeptical. But there was this young man named Mohammed Ibrahim. He's a 16 year old kid from right here in Florida. And he went to visit family in the West Bank last February. And he was accused without any evidence of throwing a rock at an IDF vehicle. Didn't hurt anybody, but he was accused of it. So as a result of that accusation, he was put in an Israeli military prison without any due process, no trial for eight months. He lost 27 pounds and contracted scabies. And I committed the capital crime.

• 1:04:48Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, wait. Is he, is he an American citizen?

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:04:51Tucker Carlson?

  How can they, how can a proxy state that we pay for imprison an American citizen without due process for eight months?

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  It's a great question. And, you know, to the folks on the other side, I would say, I'm going to hold Israel to the same standard you want me to hold Israel to. You say they're the only democracy in the Middle East. Well, democracies are underpinned by a basic adherence to the rule of law. And you don't get to take anyone, but least of all our citizens and who are teenagers and imprison them for eight months. And then Randy Fine, that was half of the point of his call was to call me anti Semitic. He said, well, you didn't tweet about the hostages enough. And I said, Randy, what would have been the correct number of tweets on the hostages that have given me license to talk about this young American citizen? But because he's a Muslim, because he's a Muslim, to them, he is a second class citizen. I said, look, I don't care what he is. He's an American citizen. He grew up two and a half hours from where I did. I went and met with the family and

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I put out a video that I actually texted the president directly. And I said, we have to do something about this.

• 1:05:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, um, one of the principles I'll never give up is you shouldn't be allowed to come here and import your disgusting little ethnic conflicts into my country and make them the focus of my foreign policy. And I would say that to any, any, any immigrant, Cuba, Venezuela, Israel, doesn't matter. You may have had a thousand year war with some other tribe, but that's not our problem and we don't do that here. And, um, and I think the Muslim hate Muslim, you know, that's only what that's about.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. And my dad showed me a video while we were on the way over here of a black pastor who I think rightly focused on the one nation under God and our pledge of allegiance. And you think about that for a moment. If you come here and to truly pledge your allegiance to our flag, it means you are committing to the one singular nation.

• 1:06:46Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Not to import a generational, multi-generational feud between different nations. So when you come here, whether you're Jewish, Muslim, doesn't matter, and you say, and you stand for that pledge, and it's sad that we don't do that in our schools anymore, I'll change that as governor as well, that it is a basic precondition that if you go to a public school, that you do attest that we are one nation under God. That's not really debatable. And so I think it's important because if you've got different, the Haitians and the Dominicans hate each other for some reason, there's a feud going on with different Muslim groups and this and all of that. And I say, look, if you're gonna come here, at a, at a minimum, you have to commit to the whole one nation thing.

• 1:07:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  At an absolute minimum. And I can't think of a better way. And maybe that's why there's this, this insistence, this reluctance. They're so loath to actually stand for our pledge. I always thought of it, Tucker, as they were trying to be righteous and it's kind of like their version of bending the knee.

• 1:07:46Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Right? It's they actually don't believe in what the pledge stands for.

• 1:07:50Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, at all, at all.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  At all. It's not like, well, we don't want to be compelled into something, or we don't believe in chauvinism, or, or whatever. It is quite literally, they don't adhere to what the pledge represents. Principally, one nation. One, and I don't care what that nation you came from is. When you come here and you stand for that pledge, you must adhere to that principle, whether that nation you left was Israel.

• 1:08:13Tucker Carlson?

  You don't get to serve in a foreign military, you don't get to have dual citizenship, you don't get to advocate for another country's interests over ours. Like, these are not crazy ideas. These are like, any nation would enforce those ideas, right?

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. And just go to South America. Imagine, you know, my mom's from Colombia. And I spent summers going there. I don't, of course, consider myself Colombian. I'm a proud American. My mom is as well. But can you, like, going to a Colombian, just even something as innocuous as, they call it football, but a soccer game, can you imagine going to a Colombian soccer game and not standing for the national anthem?

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  And like, whether you disagree with what was going on-

• 1:08:57Tucker Carlson?

  You'd get beaten to death in the men's room, right?

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Right? With some Supreme Court decision, or whether you had a different view of a board, or whatever, like, to not stand for our national anthem, to affirm the very ideals that set this country into motion, is to hold the most vile form of contempt for this nation and her people.

• 1:09:16Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. Damn, I can see why they hate you. Um, so can you win? Pardon my ignorance. I mean, I just, I, Florida politics is so corrupt that I just try and stay far away from it. But what do you think?

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  I think so. I really do. So I think, I probably shouldn't share inside baseball, but let me, let me do that. I think what has to happen very simply is, I'm not going to outraise him, I'm not going to outspend him. But you know what? Neither did Trump to Kamala, neither did Trump to Hillary.

• 1:09:48Tucker Carlson?

  No, true.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  And so I think this is going to, ultimately, we are in an attention economy, and the attention is going to go to the person who can connect and show up and earn the trust of voters. You don't get to earn the trust of voters in that Fox News studio in Washington, DC.

• 1:10:02Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, no.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  Byron Donalds is in DC four days out of a week. This is my state. I live here. My, my dad grew up here. My grandfather taught here. My great-grandfather ran a hotel on Fort Lauderdale beach here. This is my home, and I'm not going to let it be stolen from anyone, least of all Byron Donalds and his donors. And so, what I've already announced, Tucker, is that over the next three months, I'm going to visit all 67 counties. In just five weeks, I've visited 12. I'll visit every single state college. And, proud to break the news here, I'm doing a statewide Waffle House tour. This is the staple of Florida. I'm going to every single Waffle House to meet voters where they are. They deserve to see a governor, hands-on, to ask him questions. Heck, if they want to yell at me, debate with me, that's fine. I am never, never going to shy away from the people that I'm asking to hire me.

• 1:10:48Tucker Carlson?

  You're getting fat.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  I just get the bacon. I get a bacon and a large Coke.

• 1:10:53Tucker Carlson?

  Good call. Good call. I remember Jeb Bush when he ran in 2016. I traveled him for a while. He was going no carb and he lost at the end, of course, in, I think, South Carolina. And we were in a diner together in South Carolina and he, whatever his many faults, he could be kind of funny. And he's like, no, I'm getting the blueberry pancakes. I don't care. It's over. It just immediately, excuse me. Um, so you think your money's going to come from where?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Small dollar donors.

• 1:11:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you're gonna need it because I mean, you haven't said a single thing that is going to attract Ken Griffin to your campaign. Fair?

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:11:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Look, I, I think that I'm, I'm always meeting, open to meeting with donors, but it's on the basic precondition that you are donating in the, to the campaign that already exists. There's no influence on the campaign whatsoever. And I would invite people to hold my feet to the fire on that one. I think the biggest thing though, is if you just look at what the turning point has been for Florida politics, we had an ag commissioner here in 2018 named Adam Putnam. He was the establishment darling, a very good guy.

• 1:11:59Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I remember him well.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  His family's been here for a very, very long time, well-respected family here in Florida. And then this guy named Ron DeSantis comes on the scene. And there's a lot of twists and turns, but that election in 2018 was really decided by the Fox News primary debate in the summer of 2018, where it was Ron and Adam on stage for an hour and a half, unfiltered, no handlers, no donors, just two and a half million voters watching at home. I think if you put me on that debate stage, and I'll, I'll be in this race all the way to the end. When we get to that debate stage, I will end Byron Donalds's career and I will show that my vision for my state that I've known for four generations, our family has known,

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  is the right vision. I view this as a fork in the road. Do you want old Florida or do you want new Florida? If you want AI data centers, if you want what Byron Donalds says, which is he wants to make Florida the financial capital of the world. If you want that, that's the new Florida vision. But if you like our state just the way she is, if you want to go back to the way things were 10, 15 years ago, cattle, citrus, space, ag, if you want to end the overdevelopment that has destroyed our communities, pull back the sprawl, I'm running for governor and I'd be honored to have your vote.

• 1:13:11Tucker Carlson?

  You really think he's gonna debate you?

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  I think he has to.

• 1:13:14Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  I think he has to.

• 1:13:16Tucker Carlson?

  What about this? So there's Lieutenant Governor. I didn't even know he existed until I saw a clip from him that was so over the top. His name is Jake Collins, I think. It was so shocking that I sent it to someone who works here and say, is this AI? This can't be real. And he was basically saying, you don't have the right to criticize Israel.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Tucker Carlson?

  Like, free speech does not exist in the United States. Was that real?

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  It was real.

• 1:13:39Tucker Carlson?

  Who is that guy?

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  He's the newly appointed Lieutenant Governor. He's been on the job for about four and a half months.

• 1:13:43Tucker Carlson?

  Am I misstating what he said?

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  No, he quite literally started off by saying, you do not have a right to hurt people with your words.

• 1:13:51Tucker Carlson?

  Come on!

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  Which is almost like a true or false question in 5th grade civics about the First Amendment.

• 1:13:56Tucker Carlson?

  Well, but it's also like the most left-wing thing you could ever say. It's like, the NPCs, the people, I spent my entire 15 years at Fox railing against these sensitive people who want to claim that words are violence, stochastic violence, or whatever. I mean, this was like, that's the whole ideology of the left. I can't believe this guy's a-

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  He's real.

• 1:14:15Tucker Carlson?

  Republican.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  So-called. He is what they call the transgender Republicans. They identify as such, but they're not really. And when someone actually goes out there and says, you don't have a right to hurt people with your words. I mean, Timmy, Timmy, true or false? Does the First Amendment give you a right to hurt people with? If you failed that in 5th grade civics, they would hold you back a year as governor. I would hold anybody back who failed that question. You know, it was funny, he put out a comment about Venezuela and Maduro. He was very critical of Maduro, as I think a lot of people should be-

• 1:14:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  For what he's done to the country. But I responded, and I think proudly ratioed him. I said, with all due respect, Lieutenant Governor Collins, I'm formally filing a complaint with the Office of Hate Crime Speech for insulting Maduro with your harmful words. Right? And that's what it's come to. And so when you ask yourself, what, what vision for the Republican Party do we want? I actually think, everyone's talking about 2028. 2026, here in Florida, we are the formidable Republican state.

• 1:15:12Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  This is going to be the proxy for what the party looks like. And I don't pretend to know what the party's gonna look like in 28, but if you've got me on the ballot, Byron Donalds on the ballot, Jake Collins, I don't know what he's gonna do.

• 1:15:23Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so Lieutenant Governor hasn't decided what he's running on?

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  He hasn't decided what he wants to do. He's still checking with his wife, apparently. Quite literally, that's what he said. He just keeps checking with his wife.

• 1:15:29Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  Actually, yeah. And so this is a guy, not to go on a big tangent, but this is a guy who actually reached out to my own uncle, like, my actual uncle, like, my dad's over there. Father's brother and tried to convince him to get me to drop out. And so my uncle was calling me all of a sudden on a Saturday. He hasn't spoken to me in a while for an hour and a half on the phone, saying Jay Collins, this Jay Collins, that. It's weird, but the governor, our governor, Ron DeSantis, is not endorsing Jay Collins. He's certainly not endorsing Byron Donalds. And this is a wide open race as far as I'm concerned. May the best person win. And the best person, Tucker, is not the person who looks best on Fox, although I don't think Byron looks all that good on Fox. You're not getting invited on Fox. I'm just telling you that right now. Sorry, they're not having you. Well, thank you for having me here today. Of course. No, I work there.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  I know they are not inviting you on Fox. But I think if you look at, and on the way over here, we stopped at Chipotle. We call it Chipotle in our family because we like to be funny. That's the spirit. We say, we go to Chipotle and we say, can I have the Polo Bowl with the phagitis? But I was in Chipotle and a young man by the name of Aiden, he's 22 years old. He works for Charlotte County in the maintenance division. And he comes up to me, says, are you James Fishback? And I said, yeah. I have never voted in any election, not even in a primary. You have my vote. I am switching over to the Republican Party to vote for you on August 18th. I think, and I don't want to take credit for our vision. It's a vision that's been, honestly, I've watched a lot of your stuff, read a lot of what's happened in this space. It's one that I believe in.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  I believe it's the only way forward for my state. And I think there's a real hunger because with, whatever you want to say about Byron Donald and establishment money, even the polls that have come out about him, they still show 54% roughly of the electorate still undecided. And this is a guy who's been in the race now for 11 months, who's got $45 million, who's on Fox News three times a week, regurgitating the same GOP slop. And he still has half of the electorate undecided about whether to vote for him. So I'm in this race because I think my state needs someone to step up and I want to earn people's support and being able to do. When is the primary? August 18th. It's a closed primary. So the cool thing about this is you got until July 20th. If you're an independent, you used to be a Republican, if you're one of the Dixie Democrats,

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  we've got all over the state who may have voted Republican recently, but hasn't changed their party affiliation. You can do that online for free. At the Florida DMV website, just Google "change voter registration in Florida." Takes you five minutes. That now gives you the ability to show up on August 18th because you know this, Tucker. This is a red state through and through. We haven't had a Democrat governor in 30 years. We may never have one again. And so the election, if you wait till November, you're literally allowing the system to disenfranchise you.

• 1:18:07Tucker Carlson?

  That's totally right.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  If, if, I think if we lived in New York City, we'd probably be registered Democrats because you otherwise would not have a vote.

• 1:18:14Tucker Carlson?

  I lived in DC for my whole life. I was always a registered Democrat because I wanted to vote for the least crazy Democrat in the primary. Because I lived there, it mattered to me.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  And so my pitch to, to a public school teacher is, we may not agree on everything, but if you want someone who's going to fight for the dignity of American citizens, someone who's going to make your job easier as a teacher, when we have 1.4 million illegals in our state, many of whom, all of whom, have children enrolled in our public schools. I met with a teacher a couple of weeks ago in southwest Florida, not too far from here. And she broke down crying because her ninth grade class had 20 students, seven of whom did not speak English. They're illegals. And so executive order number four is to remove all illegal immigrant children from our school. I had someone ask me recently, "Isn't that cruel?" And I said, "No, ma'am. What's cruel is to force American citizens to dilute their education,

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  to take attention away from a teacher who has the second lowest teacher pay on average in any part of the country, and say, 'You have to teach half your class in English and the other half in broken Creole or Spanish for people who just got here.'" That's what's cruel.

• 1:19:23Tucker Carlson?

  It is cruel.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  That is what is vile. And actually, it's weird because the Supreme Court in 1982 found in Plyler v. Doe rather disastrously that illegal immigrant children actually have a 14th Amendment constitutional right to attend public school. And so I would proudly, as Mississippi did, challenge Roe v. Wade. I would proudly, as governor, pass an executive order to challenge that decision. And I know we would win in the Supreme Court. Whether it be 5-4 or 6-3 would depend on how she's feeling that day, though.

• 1:19:52Tucker Carlson?

  James Fishback, that was great. That was great. And Godspeed.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:19:56Tucker Carlson?

  Thanks.