#943 Colton Sakamoto On How To Get A Job In The Crypto Industry

Colton Sakamoto Is The CEO of Inflection Points Inc. In this conversation, we talk about getting a job in the Bitcoin and Crypto Industry. Some of the topics include industry trends, where people are applying, how much they are getting paid, and all the methods you can use to help you get a new job in this fast growing industry. ======================= LMAX Digital - the market-leading solution for institutional crypto trading & custodial services - offers clients a regulated, transparent and secure trading environment, together with the deepest pool of crypto liquidity. LMAX Digital is also a primary price discovery venue, streaming real-time market data to the industry’s leading analytics platforms. LMAX Digital - secure, liquid, trusted. Learn more at LMAXdigital.com/pomp ======================= The Pod Pro Cover by Eight Sleep is the most advanced solution on the market for thermoregulation. It pairs dynamic cooling and heating with biometric tracking. Go to https://www.eightsleep.com/Pomp to check out the Pod Pro Cover and save $150 at checkout. Eight Sleep currently ships within the USA, Canada, and the UK. ======================= The world's 2nd largest crypto exchange, OKEx, has dropped the "E" to become OKX, reflecting its evolution from a traditional crypto exchange to a comprehensive, cross-platform crypto services provider. With OKX's decentralized platform and Web3 wallet, MetaX, you have full custody over your crypto. Explore DeFi, NFTs and play-to-earning gaming with the world's most powerful crypto exchange. Visit OKX.com to learn more. =======================

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Colton Sakamoto is the CEO of Inflection Points Inc. In this conversation, we talk about how to get a job in the Bitcoin or crypto industry, including what number of the industry trends are, where people are applying, how much they get paid, and exactly what you at home can do if you're looking for a job. I really enjoyed this conversation with Colton, and I hope that you enjoy it as well. Before we get into this episode, though, I first want to talk about our sponsors. First up is LMAX Digital, the number one institutional crypto exchange. They offer clients the deepest pool of crypto liquidity on the planet, underscored by 100% uptime track record through volatility spikes.

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• 3:14Speaker 01

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• 3:38Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm Colton here. How are you? Good, man. How are you? I'm doing fantastic. Let's start first with, everyone wants to know how to get a job in crypto.

• 3:47Anthony Pompliano?

  How big is the market? Like, when you think about people trying to get a job, are there tons and tons of open roles? Or just there's a lot of demand, but not a lot of supply? Yeah, there's a lot of demand. There's a lot of supply. I think if you do a LinkedIn search, hold me to this, but I believe there's over 100,000 people working in the Bitcoin and crypto industry right now. Coinbase, they employ 5,000-plus people. They're hiring a bunch of people this year. And even as some of these fintech companies are starting to lay off people, it seems like Coinbase and some of these others are really absorbing the talent. Yeah. And so when you think about the types of roles of people Coming over. Obviously, we've got the job marketplace, right? We've got the training programs, a bunch of stuff that we've built ourselves. But talk to me about this idea of like, who's actually transitioning?

• 4:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Is this just a software developer at Facebook is the one that ends up getting a job? Or is it people from all walks of life? Yeah, we've seen people from all walks of life. I think top talent is leaving fintech and legacy finance to join the industry. Lawyers, accountants, etc. But then all the way down to, you know, customer service. I think some of the most interesting stories. We know someone pretty well who's in his mid 50s. He was a former funeral director and now he's working in social media in the crypto industry. Another guy is a college dropout. He was selling insurance for State Farm, now works for Bitcoin Inc. And then you hear stories of people like the 13 year old kid that's like a salon of dev. He might need to pick it up a little bit based on recent developments. But there's a spot for everyone in the industry.

• 5:16Anthony Pompliano?

  So there's literally people who were a funeral director and selling insurance, like the whole gamut, people are end up transitioning. Is that because they're just really kind of high quality people who are self starters? Like what makes those individuals who you wouldn't think of as having tech jobs already? So successful in transitioning? Yeah, I think they're self starters. There's a lot of talent, but I think these people are just super passionate about the industry. And when you wake up every day excited to go to work, I think you do a good job. You know, you do your own research, you, you know, come prepared to the interviews and really just kind of leads to success all the way across. Yeah. As you guys have worked with, I don't know, at this point, over 1,000 people, I think have gotten a job. Yeah. What are some of like the tips or tricks that you tell folks in terms of like,

• 5:59Anthony Pompliano?

  they can increase the probability of success in transitioning? Yeah, there's a number of things. One is just find out what you're passionate about. You know, if you're Bitcoin only, then go look for a Bitcoin only company. So number one is just kind of do your research beforehand. Identify what kind of role you're looking for. If you're someone who's only worked in customer experience, like, don't go looking for a software developer job. Your chances of success there are next to zero. And the other thing is don't apply to a bunch of different roles at companies. I say them laugh because. I'm 25. I recently graduated college. When I graduated, I had no clue what I wanted to do. So I would literally just go on LinkedIn and like, look at companies that were interesting, you know, Nike, Under Armour, whatever.

• 6:40Anthony Pompliano?

  And go apply to like 10 different roles at the companies. Turns out that's a pretty ineffective strategy. So kind of narrow down what you're looking for and kind of have it align with your skillset. If your skillset isn't suited towards what you want to do, then take the initiative on your own and go, you know, do a bootcamp. Go build up some experience, build up a portfolio that you can kind of showcase to these companies. And that's like the most interesting thing. Some, the advice I always give job seekers is like, do the job before you get the job, right? Which is if you want to be a salesperson, if you show up to the interview and you're like, hey, I have these three leads that I found for you guys. They want to talk to someone here at the company. Who should I introduce them to? If you're the person hiring, you're like, oh, I think you're going to be pretty good at this. Like, you know, we should, we should find a role for you.

• 7:20Anthony Pompliano?

  But also there's other things where in some way, it used to be like resumes mattered. So what school did you go to? What was your degree? Did you, what was your GPA? Like all that type of stuff. Now, if somebody shows up and they're like, I got 50,000 followers on Twitter and I talk only about, I don't know, customer service, uh, you know, uh, best practices. A customer service, uh, role, you're likely to be pretty good at it, right? Like you've shown the, the proficiency in it or the knowledge base. Like what have you seen people do there that's pretty cool? Yeah. What I think it comes down to is like de-risking the hire. So when you come with a portfolio or you come with leads, you know, the hiring manager wants to see that you can do the job. And so I've been on both sides. I've applied and then I've hired.

• 8:02Anthony Pompliano?

  And the people that really show the initiative to write the cover letter, to show genuine interest in the company. And then come prepared and you know, to the interview, here's my portfolio. Here are some leads. It really, you know, lets the hiring manager know that the person can do the job well. Yeah. When you start to think about, uh, things people can do to learn more, like where do you normally send folks from like a learning? Just, hey, I need to get my experience and my knowledge base up before I actually start to apply. Yeah. If you want to work in the industry, I think you have to be on Twitter. I think that's step number one. And then from there, start with the free resources, you know, follow people like you, follow people like Sailor. Follow the people that are pushing out, you know, quality. Quality content, you know, go down the YouTube rabbit hole, watch different podcasts,

• 8:44Anthony Pompliano?

  sign up for newsletters, just kind of absorb as much free content as you can first. And then, once you kind of have that baseline level of understanding, that's when I think you can go, you know, take the next step, continue to network. We have our training program that's really good for networking and getting right in front of the right people at companies. The CryptoAcademy.io and we have a career day where these companies literally come in. They pitch students on why they should come work for them. They literally tell them, hey, here's what we look for in applicants. Here's what you should and shouldn't do in the application process. And just really puts you kind of ahead of of the curve in comparison to to other applicants. And so when you see people be successful, how long does this take? Is this a one week process? It does take a whole year?

• 9:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, what would you say the average transition time is? Yeah, it really just depends. We've seen people go through our program specifically and then land a job within a couple of days. And there's some people that, you know, they couldn't leave their job, you know, for a couple of months to even potentially a couple of years. One guy comes to mind, he works now at Cross River, he was formerly at USAA. He was in like our third cohort, which is basically was a year ago. And he wasn't able to leave his job. He wanted to stay there for whatever reasons, he couldn't relocate, etc. And then only recently he accepted a sweet job at Cross River. And so somebody like that, once they get there, what are they doing on a day to day basis? Like, how different is the crypto industry?

• 10:09Anthony Pompliano?

  If you're in, let's say, I don't know, operations or marketing or accounting versus if I go work at a regular tech company or even a small business, like, how different is it? Yeah, I think it really just depends, but the industry moves so fast. I think you have to be someone who is a self-starter, who's comfortable wearing a bunch of different hats. A lot of the companies are pretty early stage, you know, with the exception to, you know, a company like Coinbase. But it's wearing a lot of different hats. It's enjoying the process of of things moving quickly. The industry changes so quick, so I think kind of having that adaptability is is super key. And one of the things I know you and I have talked about, which I find fascinating, it's like Twitter has almost become LinkedIn to some degree. Totally. What do you see people do there? Successfully in terms of using that platform.

• 10:51Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, hate to toot my own horn, but I have a great story there, but I think just being yourself on Twitter. You know, if you're a meme guy, create memes. If you're a content guy, you know, put out quality threads and things like that. But the thing that's unique about Twitter is it allows you to essentially kind of be in the same virtual room as super successful people that you wouldn't otherwise be in rooms with. So you can, you know, DM people, you can at people and you know, it's really just the ultimate networking tool in my opinion. And in crypto specifically, people are a lot more receptive to responding to stuff as opposed to LinkedIn. Myself included, if someone adds me on LinkedIn, they send me a message, I'm terrible at responding to it. But I'm much better at responding to Twitter DMs for whatever reason.

• 11:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I'm the exact same way. I think that most people who are active on Twitter, that is one of their main communication channels. You run the employment and training business that we started. Do you want to tell everyone how we met as a, as an example of how Twitter DM networking can, can be effective? Yeah, it was a little over a year ago. I was sitting on my couch watching football. And Pom tweeted out that he wanted to hire a chief meme officer. I made a meme of him holding Peter Schiff like a baby. He tweeted it out. Peter responded. It was this whole thing on Twitter. Pom and I exchanged DMs for a little bit, hopped on a call and then fast forward and here we are today. It, I remember specifically, you kept sending me memes and I was like, you have way too much time on your hands.

• 12:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Like what else, like what's going on in your life, right? When you start to think about age, that's a question that I get all the time is like, is this only for young people? Are there older folks? Like what do you see there in terms of who has success, who doesn't? Does age matter at all? Yeah, no, I don't think age matters at all. We have, it's a pretty common question that people ask is like, hey, I'm in my 40s, 50s, 60s. I'm super interested in this. I realize Bitcoin is the future. How do I get involved? And the thing I tell them is one, kind of the anecdotes or stories that I kind of shared earlier. But two is like, start producing some content. You don't necessarily have to have a job in the space to contribute to the industry and oftentimes contributing to the industry, you know, via newsletter, podcasts, et cetera.

• 12:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Leads to more opportunities too. So I always tell those people, look, it's never too late to get started, but just start, you know, putting content out there, start absorbing as much information as you can and then start applying. What about geographic location? Like everyone talks about this whole like move to remote work. Is most of the roles remote? Are some of them in office? Like, what are you seeing there? And then also like, what do you see from the candidates so far? Yeah, there's this new concept that like latitudes matter more than anything. And it's basically time zones, right? So it's more location agnostic and more so, you know, can you fit into the certain time zone that the job requires you to? But oftentimes these companies are just looking for top talent, kind of regardless of where they are.

• 13:38Anthony Pompliano?

  So what people are saying is, look, I don't care if you live in, let's say, New York City or in San Francisco. What I care is can be plus or minus, you know, two or three hours from a specific time zone. So if you're on the West Coast and we're an East Coast company, it's three hours, perfect, or vice versa. But it may be harder if, let's say, it's a company based in Singapore and you're in the United States where there's, you know, much more significant time, uh, kind of conflict, if you will. Yeah, correct. Uber, no, sorry. Airbnb is a good example where I think they recently just opened up and said, hey, you guys can work from wherever. We just want, you know, the best talent. So Coinbase, they don't have a headquarters and there's a number of other companies in the industry that are pretty much location agnostic and they just want talent.

• 14:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. What about pay? Like, are these jobs paying more than, let's say, their counterparts at other tech companies? Are they paying more than like working at like a small business? What do you see there? They're paying enough to lure away the top talent from a lot of the top companies. But I think a lot of the job seekers, you know, realize the upside, you know, and potential equity and things like that. And it's just much more exciting than wearing a suit and tie every day and, you know, dreading work. It's actually more fun, more engaging. You're working in an industry that you believe in and you're passionate about. So to answer your question, yes, the pay is is good across the board, but also there's the added benefit of equity and also just enjoying work in general. Yeah, it does seem like people are maybe happier, right? And they don't feel like it's as much of a job as like, hey, this is fun.

• 15:04Anthony Pompliano?

  The pay, as you mentioned, probably is higher. Is that what's leading to a lot of like the brain drain on Wall Street, if you will, as well, where basically people are saying, hey, I'm super interested in finance in general. This is a new form of finance or a new kind of corner of finance. I can't do this stuff at my existing job, so why not go get? Paid to do it, you know, full time. Yeah, I think the the metric that's exciting to a lot of people is that overlay of like where we are with Bitcoin adoption in comparison to where we were with the Internet adoption. And people are kind of realizing maybe they should skate where the puck is going and not where the puck has been. So I think people are just, you know, waking up to, you know, this is the future. And everyone's trying to get involved one way or the other.

• 15:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. And when you start to think about kind of the types of companies, how many of these are like DAOs and NFTs and what I would consider more of like the nuanced or experimental stuff in crypto versus these are large infrastructure type businesses with equity and they'd be like a Coinbase or a BlockFi, something like that. Yeah, there's a lot of both, obviously. I think Coinbase is kind of the quintessential example of like the bigger, more established company that sort of structurally is like a lot of, you know, apples and things like that that are publicly traded. But there's everything all the way down to joining a DAO where the barriers to entry are significantly lower. And that's again, another way to get involved is like, we know this kid who went through our program who's his goal is basically work at as many DAOs as possible.

• 16:31Anthony Pompliano?

  He was pretty much fresh out of college and didn't have the experience to directly pivot into kind of a bigger company. And then he was just super passionate about working at DAOs. So the barriers to entry are kind of vary with the companies. But yeah, to answer your question, we're seeing, you know, exchanges, we're seeing infrastructure all the way down to DAOs and things like that as well. Yeah. And then how should people think about compensation? Is this just compensation in fiat? Are they getting compensated in Bitcoin or Ether or something like that? Or are they getting compensated with like all sorts of like long tail weird assets they'd never heard of before? Like, how much of it's like quote unquote, real assets versus like super risky stuff? Yeah, to be honest, I'm not sure what goes on with the DAOs. Okay.

• 17:15Anthony Pompliano?

  But like the companies like Coinbase and stuff, they pay in fiat. And then, you know, with companies like Strike, they allow it for, if you are paid in fiat, you can exchange that for Bitcoin and things like that. So there's a lot of infrastructure in place to even if the companies don't pay in crypto, you can get paid in crypto. Yeah. And then what about like the community in general? I think one of the other key pieces to this is like, I get a push all the time by people say, "Hey, look, I don't feel like I know enough yet to transition into the crypto industry, but I do have an aspiration to do that over the next six, 12 months." How have you seen people kind of enter into maybe like the conversation online or the community and start to build those relationships that they may then leverage six or 12 months later when they actually go start looking for a job?

• 18:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, for the most part, it's a super welcoming community. Everyone jokes that like the GM, like the good morning is like the, you know, welcoming sign to people, people in the industry and people outside of it. Bitcoin maxi is gonna have to tread a little more lightly with them, but overall, it's a really welcoming community. I think even the maxi would kind of point you in the right direction. In terms of entering the industry, like I've seen all kinds of different things work. I think it was FTX where someone airdropped them their resume and then they like immediately hired the guy just because it was so creative. But I think what it comes down to is like, how can you get creative with your resume so that you can, one, kind of showcase yourself and then, two, showcase that you're interested

• 18:44Anthony Pompliano?

  in the industry and, you know, you have a personality and you kind of have some feel? The other thing I've seen that I think worked too, I don't think it was in crypto though, but the starting salary was like 50K for this company and that person found the hiring manager on Venmo and requested 50K first year salary on Venmo. And it turned out, I think, working for him. So I think the underlying message is just like, get creative and showcase your skills as best as you can. There's a guy who continuously Venmo requests me for $500 and he just keeps writing "shootershoot" and he's been doing it for like a year. Do you pay him? No, never. Why not? Listen, because I kind of want to see how long it's gonna take him to give up. But he's like for a year now.

• 19:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, shooters are definitely shooting in my Venmo inbox. We got a couple of questions from the audience. The first is, what is the pay range for non-technical jobs? Obviously, there's a wide disparity, but like, where do you think that that generally sits? Oh, yeah, that's a really good question and it really just depends on the type of role. But, I mean, we've seen, I don't know, 50 to upwards of, you know, like mid-six figures. It really just depends on the role and, you know, if there's things like commission included and, you know, what the equity component looks like. But generally, Really, you know, really competitive pay. Somebody else asked, what about if I am a structural engineer, would they take me seriously? And I think that the spirit of this question, we get actually a lot, which is like, hey, what if I don't actually

• 20:08Anthony Pompliano?

  do the job that maybe I want to do, or that there's not a, a, an easy crossover? Like I, one time I had a chef, like an actual trained chef say like, hey, do they need chefs? And he was like, I don't even necessarily want to be a chef anymore. I may want to transition to a different role. How do you see that? Yeah, it's definitely a little bit tougher, but it can be done, right? I don't want to kind of blow smoke and say, yes, absolutely, you can get a job. But I think you have to put in the work. You have to come prepared with, you know, baseline level of Bitcoin and crypto knowledge. And then you have to find where you fit in. And I think that's often the toughest question for people to answer. Structural engineering, I'm not sure if there's kind of an overlap with like, you know, the crypto and Bitcoin mining, but that might be something where the specific guy can kind of get started.

• 20:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Zach asked, are there enough people actually openly, openly hiring? And where should people look? Yeah, great question. There's hundreds, if not thousands of open roles. There's hundreds of open roles listed on our job platform, pompcryptojobs.com. So I always recommend people start there, sign up for job alerts. Plenty of other places to go on LinkedIn, create job alerts there and just, you know, find what you're passionate about and continue to, to look at these sites. Got it. And then when you think about the training, tell people where they can go there if they feel like, hey, I want a job, but I don't actually have the skill set yet. And I need to not like, it's not enough for me just to get the free resource. Cause I think your point about like, go get the free resources first, listen to the podcast, go follow on Twitter,

• 21:37Anthony Pompliano?

  read the newsletters, there's so much content out there. But if people say, hey, I just need somebody to guide me, or I need somebody to, to help me do this, where can we send them? Yeah, thecryptoacademy.io. One quick little story there, we have one guy, he was in an early iteration, one of the earlier cohorts. And he told us, he literally applied for hundreds of roles in the crypto industry. I don't recommend this, but he never wrote any cover letters and he was just shooting shots, just getting shots on goal. And he kept hearing no. He enrolled in the training program, a company that presented at the career day, he's from Canada, actually, was super interesting to him. And then he got hired pretty quickly after. So it's for the type of person that, you know, maybe you've applied a couple of times, you don't know exactly where you fit in.

• 22:20Anthony Pompliano?

  You don't know exactly how to network and how to tailor your resume. We cover that as well. Well, as all the Bitcoin and crypto basics. So one of the things that I think people don't understand or don't take seriously is we've been doing this now for what a year and maybe two months or so. Yep. There's been nearly a thousand people, I think, that have been hired through the job marketplace itself. So this is where companies are coming, they're listing all the roles, there's hundreds of open jobs there. You just go and you apply yourself and it's just, hey, I put my resume, I put an application in and they'll call me or email me if they're interested. But also the training program, I mean, how many people at this point, it's gotta be over a hundred easily? It's over a hundred, yeah.

• 23:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And these people are getting hired at Gemini, Coinbase, BlockFi, Kraken, BTC Inc., Anchorage, like all the top companies in the industry. And part of it ends up being that what they're looking for is just high quality, talented individuals who have a passion for the industry. And then they kind of feel like even if you're not perfect, but you're a self-starter, you have kind of all the qualities that make a person who can contribute value to the organization. They'll help you get up to speed once you get in the role. Yeah, totally. I mean, like you said, all the top companies, and for the most part, it was non-technical roles too. There's this common misconception that you have to be a shadowy super coder to work in the industry. We disproved that with our program. There's, I don't know, the first probably 80 hires were non-technical.

• 23:47Anthony Pompliano?

  We've had a few now that have gone through and now they're software engineers at Coinbase and stuff. But in my opinion, it's the best out there for networking. If you're non-technical and you don't know where you fit in, you know, we can help you identify some roles. We can help you clean up your resume and, you know, tell you what to do during the interview process. And then we've seen people, you know, go work contract roles at mining companies. We've had people start companies with people they met in the program. We've had people start newsletters and podcasts. So I think the kind of broader message is there's tons of different entry points into this industry. It's basically just, you know, a matter of how committed you want to be. I think that's a great way to look at it. Where can we send people to find you on the internet?

• 24:29Anthony Pompliano?

  If they want to bother you? I'm at CJ Sakamoto 15 on Twitter. I'm mostly pretty good at responding to DMs. I don't have a ton of followers like our boy over here, but I post a lot of memes. So if you like memes, give me a follow. Last question I have for you is everyone always asks me, 100% success? That's right. Is that his real last name? That's my real last name. And, and, and they always like, you're telling me somebody's name in the crypto industry is Sakamoto? Yeah. I like, yeah, that's his real last name. Like, are you sure? I'm like, well, I'm pretty damn sure. My great grandma's maiden name was Nakamoto. Fun fact. Really? Really. Are you Satoshi? I'm not Satoshi.

• 25:11Anthony Pompliano?

  But get this, my grandma on my other side grew up in the same town as Mr. Hal Finney. Really? Yeah. Kalunga, California. What, I don't know any of this yet. Like, what other data you about to drop on us? That's all I got. Okay. I was like, uh, mm, nine, 10, 11 when Bitcoin was created. So it wasn't me. I don't think. Maybe you're a genius. Definitely not a genius. All right. Anybody who wants to go check it out, go, uh, go to pompcriptojobs.com. There's hundreds of open roles there, uh, at the top companies in the industry. And then you can go to thecryptacademy.io, uh, and you can join the three week intensive training program there. We spend, uh, quite a bit of time. There's over 50 events in three weeks.

• 25:56Anthony Pompliano?

  So it's very fast paced, very intense, uh, but it works. People get, uh, get jobs at all the, uh, the top companies in the industry. So go check out either one of those. Uh, Colt and I appreciate taking the time to come on here and, uh, help people get some jobs. Thanks for having me. All right, buddy. Sounds good. See you later. See you.