Ep. 647: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CXLVI

Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en hosts MeatEater Trivia with Steven Rinella https://www.themeateater.com/people/steven-rinella, Janis Putelis https://www.themeateater.com/people/janis-putelis, Brody Henderson https://www.themeateater.com/people/brody-henderson, Randall Williams https://www.instagram.com/randall__williams/, Seth Morris https://www.themeateater.com/people/seth-morris, Alyssa Smith, and Nate Mason. Connect with MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAaa0mleeU128Ad5iM1RFIg, and Youtube Clips https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterClips Subscribe to our new MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Shop Trivia Merch https://store.themeateater.com/products/METBGOCOS.html?lang=en_US See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Steven Rinella?

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• 0:45Steven Rinella?

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• 1:29Steven Rinella?

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• 2:22Speaker 02

  Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your host Spencer Newarth, and today we're joined by Steve, Yanni, Brody, Randall, Alyssa, Nate, and Seth. This is a 10-round quiz show with questions from Meat Eaters four verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking, and there is a prize. Meat Eater will donate $500 to the conservation organization of the winner's choosing. And before we turn on the mics, Steve said he's created a new jingle for trivia.

• 2:51Steven Rinella?

  Well, no, it's not for trivia.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:54Steven Rinella?

  Over Christmas, we played a lot of Uno.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:58Steven Rinella?

  With my kids.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 3:00Steven Rinella?

  And after a while, we had a, we brought in the champions.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:07Steven Rinella?

  To have a championship of champions.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Who were the champions?

• 3:10Steven Rinella?

  Me and, me and Matty.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 3:12Steven Rinella?

  And so I made up a song that goes, "He's the champion of champions, can't be beat."

• 3:17Speaker 03

  That's a great jingle.

• 3:20Steven Rinella?

  So.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:22Steven Rinella?

  So, when thinking that this, we were talking about recording a championship.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:27Steven Rinella?

  And I was gonna, I was gonna sing that at the championship a lot.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:30Steven Rinella?

  Phil, are you taking notes?

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got it. He's just gonna isolate that audio, and now we have it here.

• 3:34Steven Rinella?

  And my daughter changed it to, "He's the champion of champions, he just got beat."

• 3:39Speaker 02

  So, did you lose?

• 3:40Steven Rinella?

  To her.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  Did you let her win?

• 3:42Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:44Steven Rinella?

  But that was post, that was a scrimmage.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Okay. But in the champion of champions, who won between you and Matty?

• 3:51Steven Rinella?

  I prevailed in the championship.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Okay. Good for you.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  You shouldn't let your kids win. It's bad, bad form.

• 3:57Steven Rinella?

  Um, after a long time, my older boy caught on that Uno's largely a game of luck.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Oh. Does that make him feel better or worse?

• 4:07Speaker 02

  That make him feel better.

• 4:07Steven Rinella?

  Did he stop trying as much? Uh, he doesn't, he didn't like it as much, but then two nights ago, I introduced my younger boy to remember playing in like in high school. Did you guys play a lot of in between for money?

• 4:19Speaker 02

  I've never heard of that.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:20Steven Rinella?

  Oh my God, it's fun, man. That ruins friendships though, dude. So I was teaching him the other night to play in between, which we're hot on right now, but for, for money, you know, we gamble.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 4:29Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  And for the stat of the week this week, we're looking at the number 76. That's how many days it's been since Steve was last on trivia. Steve, where you been?

• 4:39Steven Rinella?

  Man, all summer long and all most fall long, I was recording a new show, filming a new show for History Channel.

• 4:53Steven Rinella?

  Called Hunting History, which is about, we explore eight outdoor mysteries.

• 4:59Steven Rinella?

  Uh, things ranging from what exactly is up with cattle mutilations.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Oh, what part of the country were you looking at?

• 5:09Steven Rinella?

  In Oregon.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:11Steven Rinella?

  Which is a way richer, I, I blew it off. I blew it off.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:16Steven Rinella?

  It's a rate, it's a way richer field of inquiry than, um, uh, we visited with ranchers who've had mutilated cattle. We visit, we visited, uh, we visited with like PhD, um, animal pathologists.

• 5:36Steven Rinella?

  Lots of stuff.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. That, that happened around my hometown in like the early 2000s. And I feel like the, the typical experience was they would find a dead cow that they would say had, uh, almost laser-like precision of, um, removing organs or removing eyeballs. Um, and I think, I think logical people accredit it to like scavengers pick out the eyeballs first. They go for the organs first. Um, and, and like some cattle will blow to a point where they just like split down the middle. Can you tell us what conclusion you came to? We gotta watch the show.

• 6:11Steven Rinella?

  You gotta watch the show.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:13Steven Rinella?

  I ain't buying that it's aliens.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  It's not aliens.

• 6:15Steven Rinella?

  We get into that.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:17Steven Rinella?

  We go hang out with a rancher. I mean, I'm not talking like a, some guy watching Yellowstone TV show.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Sure. Yeah.

• 6:26Steven Rinella?

  A rancher, rancher.

• 6:29Steven Rinella?

  Dude, there is no, he's gone through every possible explanation.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:38Steven Rinella?

  And the only thing he can land on is that it was not human.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  What years are we talking about this happened?

• 6:43Steven Rinella?

  What year did his happen? The bones are still laying there.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 6:46Steven Rinella?

  We went out to rent skeleton still laying there.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:48Steven Rinella?

  I, I, I metal detected the whole area.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 6:52Steven Rinella?

  I don't think it's aliens.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Did he see anything that might have been extraterrestrial?

• 6:58Steven Rinella?

  He did. We talk about it.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I feel like Eastern South Dakota too, when it was happening in the early 2000s, that's when it was like ripe to have email chains. Um, like stuff was getting, it was prior to social media. Um, stuff would just like get forwarded around a lot. Um.

• 7:14Steven Rinella?

  I went to another site with a guy, with a manager, ranch manager, went to another site where he had five bulls done in one night.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 7:23Steven Rinella?

  Looked at those.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:25Steven Rinella?

  Lot of pictures.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 7:26Steven Rinella?

  I don't want to get into too much what, what I think's going on, but, um, uh, we took a cow and laid it out, brand spanking new.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 7:35Steven Rinella?

  Brand spanking new.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 7:36Steven Rinella?

  And laid it out and watched what happened to it.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  And you're, you're coming at it from the perspective of an outdoorsman, which maybe isn't how other people had.

• 7:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I had, I had Mercer Lawing with me.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:48Steven Rinella?

  Cause he does a lot of livestock work. We went out, I hung out with a houndsman who works on cattle depredations. Cause all he does is look at dead cows, trying to figure out what happened to them. Hung out with him. He's got theories about what does it. Uh.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Is it aliens?

• 8:06Steven Rinella?

  He doesn't think that.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:09Steven Rinella?

  So, um, the pathologists have their own theories about what they think, which I, I, I don't think they're looking at it right.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:20Steven Rinella?

  Um, did one on the diner party.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Hmm. You went to where it happened?

• 8:27Steven Rinella?

  Everywhere it happened.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:28Steven Rinella?

  Everywhere.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Did you eat any folks on that episode?

• 8:31Steven Rinella?

  Did. No, but I ate boiled hide. They ate a lot of boiled hide. When they first got stuck, they skinned out their.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Before they started eating each other.

• 8:40Steven Rinella?

  They skinned out their horses and oxen and stuff. After a while, ate the meat, dried the meat, ate the meat, used the hides for shelters. Then they wound up needing to eat those hides. So boiled up some hide, see what that's all about.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  How'd that pass through you?

• 8:53Steven Rinella?

  It's, you know what, man? It's not, um.

• 8:57Steven Rinella?

  It's flavor, it's weirdly, it's weirdly flavor, flavorless, but it's real sticky and gluey. And then, you know, we just had this dude on the podcast, the guy that found the starved to death guy.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  Okay. In Alaska.

• 9:11Steven Rinella?

  He gave me a book, which is, in the twenties, these guys got a,

• 9:18Steven Rinella?

  in the twenties, these three guys went up into the Canadian Arctic and they were gonna trap all winter and they had a spot where they thought they could live on caribou. But the caribou never came, so they all starved to death. The youngest kid lived a long, long time, like, the youngest kid didn't starve to death till into June and he kept a meticulous journal.

• 9:40Steven Rinella?

  Up till the end. And then had the wherewithal to put it in the wood stove, they didn't get found for a while later. Put it in the wood stove with a sign that says, "Look in wood stove," and there's his journal.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 9:51Steven Rinella?

  And they were eating hides. And they were eating crushed bone, just like the Donner Party people, but what he describes is all of the time and effort they spent trying to make enema contraptions. Because when you're boiling that crushed bone and eating that hide, it would obstruct their bowel.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Mmm, okay.

• 10:09Steven Rinella?

  And so, they're sometimes trying to pick out of each other and out of themselves, these wads of dry bone. That would form back up in your gut, and that's kinda what, seems like that's what's killing them more than anything. Is eating hide and bone.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Was it like anything you'd ever eaten? Was it like anything else you'd eaten?

• 10:29Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:30Steven Rinella?

  No. The broth reminded me of miso soup.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 10:35Speaker 05

  Did you pass everything alright?

• 10:37Steven Rinella?

  Well, yeah, I didn't eat many meals of it. But we made a shelter like how they made, we talked to a lot of scientists, archaeologists, and it was kinda like, like, looking at, like, what,

• 10:48Steven Rinella?

  like, what did they do that, like, like, what was, what was mistakes they made and what could've gone different?

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:57Steven Rinella?

  But the thing that people don't think about with the Donner Party is those 50% children.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  You're right, I don't think about that.

• 11:04Steven Rinella?

  There's a lot of people like, "Oh, I would've walked out of there," you know? 50% children.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:10Steven Rinella?

  From infants, like, from infants up.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  So this new show that you were busy filming.

• 11:17Steven Rinella?

  Hunting history. That's kept me away from doing trivia.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  The reason you couldn't be on trivia comes out later this month and that's on the History Channel.

• 11:23Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  All right, now here's our infrequently asked question segment. If you have a trivia related question for our crew, send it to trivia at the mead eater dot com with the subject line IFAQ. Ben Stewart says, on one episode of trivia, it was casually mentioned that Steve and Chester once wrestled and Chester pinned him. What's the story behind that?

• 11:44Steven Rinella?

  Did he?

• 11:45Speaker 05

  I got pictures of it.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  On the ice in North Dakota.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  Thirty, thirty to fifty below zero, something like that.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  Was it real wrestling or were you guys like, was it playful?

• 11:58Steven Rinella?

  Pretty bogged down with clothes, probably is the problem.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Not Chester, though.

• 12:03Steven Rinella?

  Did he strip down?

• 12:04Speaker 05

  Chester was just in a wrestling uniform.

• 12:06Steven Rinella?

  Did one of you have COVID? Oh, that's right. I might have had. No, I didn't have COVID.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  You've given COVID to Richard Scheller.

• 12:13Steven Rinella?

  I was healthy.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  And that was how it started.

• 12:15Speaker 05

  Chester and I had just gotten over COVID, so we were in the clear.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 12:19Steven Rinella?

  He might have been like, kind of amped up from it.

• 12:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  A very rare symptom of COVID.

• 12:27Steven Rinella?

  Do you want to know the funniest thing about wrestling? I don't know if I ever told you the story, but you know, when you say, like Doug Dern does like talk to text, you know?

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 12:36Steven Rinella?

  And one time we were saying, we were arguing about something and he said he was gonna, he meant to say he was gonna arm wrestle me for it, but said he's gonna farm wrestle me for it.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 12:45Steven Rinella?

  We've laughed about that a million times. What exactly that entails?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Now we have some housekeeping to get to on a previous episode of trivia. We talked about how Jeopardy may have borrowed a question from Meat Eater Trivia. Well, we now have the New York Times doing the same thing.

• 13:02Steven Rinella?

  Oh, they'd steal all of our stuff.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Crossword puzzle. Give me, give me an example.

• 13:06Steven Rinella?

  Just everything we do a podcast on, some sucker there writes an article about.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  All right. Well, here's what happened. On October 9th.

• 13:13Steven Rinella?

  I'm not kidding. They steal our stuff all the time.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  We've got more evidence.

• 13:17Steven Rinella?

  Someone in that newsroom is a big fan of the podcast and steals our stuff.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  On October 9th, during mini crossword week on our website, I had a puzzle that was national park themed. For five across, the clue was, quote, "1% of Yellowstone is in this state." The answer was Idaho, and you can see this on Phil's screen there. Well, five days later, for the New York Times Monday crossword puzzle, they had an eerily similar clue. Here's what their prompt was for 31 down, quote, "State that contains a sliver of Yellowstone National Park." The answer was, of course, Idaho. Now, that puzzle was created by Dana Edwards, who was making his New York Times crossword puzzle debut. Dana doesn't work at the Times. He's a journalist and photographer from the Columbia

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Journalism School, and from looking at his Instagram, I doubt he's even ever heard of MeatEater. But he did say something very suspicious in his crossword column that week. Here's the quote, "I used ChatGPT to write some code to search my word list for phrases that used four sets of double letters." Dana was referring to one of his themes that week, which was words with double letters like Mississippi and Hollywood. Idaho wouldn't be part of the theme he said he used ChatGPT for, but it does show that he leaned on AI to make his puzzle. If that obscure clue was borrowed from MeatEater, then it was likely fed to Dana via ChatGPT. However, there's a decent chance that this is just a coincidence.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  The New York Times lead puzzle editor, Will Shortz, said in a 2009 interview that he receives over 100 puzzles per week with a 5% acceptance rate, and crosswords are backlogged for two to six months. This makes it unlikely they used a clue from MeatEater just five days after it was published. But I have reached out to the New York Times crossword team so we can solve this. In the meantime, head over to the meat eater dot com slash games to play our crossword puzzles that are so good that the New York Times wants to steal them. So they had almost, almost word for word, the same exact clue. And I'll remind you, the New York Times has the entire dictionary, the entire encyclopedia, everything on earth

• 15:32Speaker 02

  is at their disposal. I was only doing national parks and they still use the same clue of a very obscure outdoor fact, uh, five days after I did.

• 15:42Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  We're gonna solve this.

• 15:43Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I've written there a few times over the years.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Maybe you're the, maybe you're their, uh...

• 15:48Speaker 06

  The leak.

• 15:49Steven Rinella?

  The source.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Yep, we've got a rat. We've figured it out.

• 15:53Speaker 06

  I was wondering what you were, if that was a barbell or if it was a double-ended hot dog cooker.

• 16:01Speaker 06

  But now I see. It's a skinny man lifting a bunch of weight.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Now, the Shelby index for today is a four, so our winner should get eight correct answers. And with that, we're on to the game of trivia. Play the drop, Phil.

• 16:17Speaker 07

  Look, I need to know what I stand to win, everything. How's that? Just tend to win everything.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  Game on, suckers.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Question one. The topic is hunting and as always, this will be multiple choice. Which of these states does not have a bighorn sheep season? Is it South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota?

• 16:49Steven Rinella?

  Ugh.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  I need a new marker.

• 16:52Steven Rinella?

  Hit me with them again.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Which of these states does not have a bighorn sheep season? You can see the question on Phil's TV there. Your four choices: South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, or North Dakota. Three of those states have a hunting season for bighorn sheep. One of them does not.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Well, Steve's out of practice here. Lack of confidence.

• 17:19Steven Rinella?

  Can you get out of practice at trivia?

• 17:21Speaker 02

  If we were playing Uno, though, you boys would be cooked. Randall, can you reach for a new marker for Brody? Oh, I'd be happy to. He's having problems. Any preferences on color?

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Uh, I like, uh, you know, like a natural color, like blue or green.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Which of these states does not have a bighorn sheep?

• 17:40Speaker 03

  That one in the trash.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota.

• 17:45Steven Rinella?

  I am hating this question, man.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Is everybody ready?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  I don't hate this question.

• 17:49Steven Rinella?

  Did you style your hair like that?

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:52Speaker 06

  I just got out of the shower and went.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  We should encourage people to watch this episode on YouTube so they can see Yannis's new hairdo.

• 17:58Steven Rinella?

  I always like him a lot better. He's got that little buzz cut.

• 18:01Speaker 06

  This is the problem with long hair is that, uh, if it just hangs down, it gets annoying. So you gotta get it off your ears and off your forehead. It'll be buzz cut soon.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  You think that says more about you, Steve, or more about Yanni?

• 18:13Steven Rinella?

  Me and Yanni.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Both of you. You think he behaves better when he's got a buzz cut? You like him better?

• 18:18Steven Rinella?

  He's just gonna go through life better.

• 18:20Speaker 07

  He's more focused. More disciplined?

• 18:22Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 06

  It is warmer. I will give the long hair that.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  My boys behave better when they got nice short haircuts.

• 18:28Speaker 05

  That's why I keep it a little long. A little long in the winter because it's warmer.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying Nebraska, Steve, Oklahoma, Randall, Oklahoma, Alyssa, Nebraska, Nate, Nebraska, Yannis, Oklahoma, Brody, Oklahoma. Nobody picked a Dakota. It is not the Dakotas. The correct answer.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Is Oklahoma?

• 19:01Steven Rinella?

  Hell, yeah, he's back. Champions, champions.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  South Dakota gives out nine tags. North Dakota gives out seven and Nebraska gives out two. Oklahoma had their first documented bighorn sheep in 2012 when a carcass was found near Black Mesa in the state's panhandle. More sightings have happened in the last decade with a small herd traveling between Oklahoma, Colorado, and New Mexico.

• 19:28Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Question two, the topic is gear. This is our listener question of the week, which was won by Jerry Mitchell for sending this great question. Jerry is going to get a board game signed by the crew. If you want a chance to win our listener question of the week, then send your question to trivia at the meat eater.com. According to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, 20 gauge shotgun shells should be this color. He's the champion of. Steve is optimistic as well as Seth, Randall and Brody. According to Sammy, 20 gauge shotgun shells should be this color.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  I think you should have picked a more obscure gauge.

• 20:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that was stupid.

• 20:13Steven Rinella?

  He's back. Oh, yeah. He's back.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:19Steven Rinella?

  Back in the saddle again. I didn't even realize Phil was back. How's it going, Phil? You notice anything new about Phil? Let me stand up, let me see. Huh? Oh, you're, you're, you're low setup. Oh, why'd you? I like the battery. He looked like a DJ. Well, it was giving me serious back problems, so I'm down here now.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  I will tell you this, Brody and Steve, I picked this specific gauge because they are very firm on their language and they are not as firm on their language.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  For other gauges. So I don't think that's giving a hint, but they are adamant about this gauge and this color.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  After this question, I'm gonna tell you what my favorite color for the, for a gauge is.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Well, uh, we'll test you guys on what the other colors and gauges are.

• 20:58Steven Rinella?

  What do you think it'll be, Seth?

• 21:03Speaker 03

  I'll tell you about a Christmas present I got involving some shotgun shells. Y'all are gonna be jealous.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Again, according to Sammy, 20 gauge shotgun shells should be this color. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth and Steve and Randall saying yellow. Alyssa says green. Nate says yellow. He crossed out blue.

• 21:27Steven Rinella?

  More important than that, he was gonna say blue.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Yanis says yellow. Brody says yellow.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  They got it. The correct answer is yellow. Although it's not a law, Sammy strongly recommends ammo manufacturers should make their 20 gauge shells yellow. It used to be commonplace for shotgun shells to be color coded, but ammo companies have taken more liberties in recent years. Uh, I'm going to test you guys. Do you know what 10 gauge is usually? Green. Brown. Brown. Hmm. Uh, do you know what 12 gauge is? Red. Red. Red or black, red or black. 16 gauge? Purple. Purple. Oh. Uh, 28 gauge?

• 22:04Steven Rinella?

  Don't know.

• 22:05Speaker 06

  What was it?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  28 gauge.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  28?

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Blue.

• 22:08Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Green.

• 22:09Steven Rinella?

  410s are red though.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  410 is red. That's right. So I remind you, 10 gauge brown, 12 gauge red or black, 16 gauge purple, 28 gauge green, 410 red.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  I was duck hunting last weekend and had, was shooting a 12 gauge and I had four different colors.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I read, and this was not from an official source. It was more forum chatter that it became uh, less common to color coordinate after they started stamping brass, which wasn't always the case.

• 22:38Speaker 05

  Hmm. Makes sense.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Brody, you had a favorite color?

• 22:41Speaker 03

  I already said it. 16 gauge. They were all purple.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  16 gauge.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  My dad used to shoot a 16.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  And Yanni, you're going to share with us your Christmas gift?

• 22:48Speaker 06

  I can, yeah. I got a, a reusable, meaning artificial wreath that is, uh, adorned with red and yellow shotgun shells. Over a hundred, according to my brother-in-law.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  A homemade one?

• 23:00Speaker 06

  Homemade. Yeah, he made it.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Seth, what were those four colors you were grabbing from?

• 23:03Speaker 05

  Um, there was green. There was, uh, like a tannish color.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:09Speaker 05

  There was red. There was, actually it was five colors. There was black and there was blue.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  The other one I'd say about, uh, 12 gauge being red, I feel like I have a lot that you'd call maroon instead of red.

• 23:20Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, yeah. Whatever the, whatever the, uh, the bismuth, the, what's that? The federal bismuth and stuff? That's like a maroon, I guess.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Question three.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  Oftentimes I would put three different shells in just to see which one hit better.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Question three. The topic is conservation. NOAA defines this as quote, "A fishing practice that herds and captures the target species by towing a net along the ocean floor."

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Couldn't tell Steve likes his answer. Whiteboard is already down. This is question three. Topic is conservation.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Noah defines this as a fishing practice that herds and captures the target species by towing a net along the ocean floor.

• 24:17Steven Rinella?

  Who I got a trivia question for you.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 24:20Steven Rinella?

  I just fleshed and stretched the river otter I caught. Remember we had those ladies out and got mauled by the otter, your neighbor? People are like, I don't think you I would have killed it with my bare hands. I just fleshed and stretched a river otter. Do you take a you? Here's a trivia question. It's a it's a tiebreaker. How long is that hide?

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Specifically, the one Steve was flashing.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  I was gonna say like forty one inches.

• 24:51Steven Rinella?

  Five eleven.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 24:54Steven Rinella?

  Tip of nose to tip of tail, five eleven.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Damn. Is that just a normal sized otter?

• 24:59Steven Rinella?

  It's freaking giant, dude.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Think that otter tells everybody six feet? And shoes.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  You can get that thing stuffed into a pillow?

• 25:07Steven Rinella?

  No, I can't do. I haven't decided. I'm gonna do it yet. I might get a hat. I might do it as a hat, or I might do it as a wall hanger. I haven't decided.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  That makes me terrified of a sea otter, knowing that thing was five eleven.

• 25:18Steven Rinella?

  No, sea otter kill you.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Again, Noah defines this as a fishing practice that herds and captures the target species by towing a net along the ocean floor. Steve is very confident. I think Brody likes his answer. Randall, do you have an answer?

• 25:35Speaker 03

  I'm iffy on mine.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  I don't. I'm not sure I like mine. Okay, Randall, probably the only boat captain in here. I have two. He may not know it.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Steve, Steve is laughing. Right?

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Should I change mine based on Steve's reaction? Stephen laughing at Randall could be genuine or. Don't change it. I thought we were all done.

• 25:58Speaker 05

  Steve, did you write yours on the brown side?

• 26:00Steven Rinella?

  I got a weird board. It's both sides.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Our new boards are double sided. Is everybody ready?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying trolling. Steve says trawling.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  That's trawling.

• 26:17Steven Rinella?

  He said trolling. No.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  The, the problem.

• 26:20Steven Rinella?

  I spelled it wrong.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  The problem is that's a, that's another fishing technique.

• 26:25Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  This is trolling.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Seth says trolling. Steve says trawling. Randall says purse saning. Alyssa says cast and bait.

• 26:37Steven Rinella?

  That's it.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Nate says drag netting. Yanis says trawling. Brody says trawling. The correct answer is trawling. About half of our players got it right.

• 26:50Steven Rinella?

  Are you gonna give it to him?

• 26:51Speaker 02

  I don't think we give it to you.

• 26:52Steven Rinella?

  He doesn't mean trolling. No.

• 26:55Speaker 06

  He, he means trolling.

• 26:56Steven Rinella?

  Trolling. Like a trawler.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  How would you spell?

• 26:59Steven Rinella?

  You said spelling doesn't matter.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  I know, but if you spell another fishing technique.

• 27:03Steven Rinella?

  I know, but he doesn't think trolling crankbait is what that is.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  We'll give it to you Seth, but how would you spell trolling if you were pulling plugs for Walleye?

• 27:12Speaker 06

  Dude. The same.

• 27:15Steven Rinella?

  Spelling is not my thing.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Okay, we'll give it, we'll give it to Seth.

• 27:18Steven Rinella?

  Now, if he didn't know, like, there's a certain person that would have it, and I would say, don't give it to him.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Okay, would you give it to Brody? Brody wrote down it.

• 27:27Steven Rinella?

  Yes.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  You would?

• 27:29Steven Rinella?

  Yes, because I know that he, I know that he knows what trolling is.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Okay, so we will accept trolling or trawling?

• 27:37Steven Rinella?

  Listen, I can't, I can't think straight. They're so damn cold in this room.

• 27:41Speaker 06

  No, no, no, you're not accepting trolling. You're only accepting.

• 27:45Steven Rinella?

  A misspelled trawling.

• 27:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. A misspelled trawling.

• 27:48Steven Rinella?

  And I interpret his as a misspelled trawling, rather than him just putting down a fishing term.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  So at home.

• 27:55Steven Rinella?

  And, and, and, and pray and spray.

• 27:58Speaker 06

  At home.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  If your answers.

• 28:00Speaker 06

  Trolling.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  If your answers are verbal, then you need to say trawling.

• 28:04Steven Rinella?

  But why do you?

• 28:04Speaker 02

  But if you're writing it down.

• 28:06Steven Rinella?

  Why do you think that trolling and trawling share a spelling?

• 28:11Steven Rinella?

  Didn't think about it.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Trawling is used to target a variety of seafood such as cod, halibut, rockfish, squid, shrimp, flounder, and crab. The fishing technique can be too effective, which results in piles of bycatch. It's estimated that in the last 65 years, trawlers have unintentionally caught 500 million tons of non-targeted animals.

• 28:33Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's, I don't mean to hack, but yeah, it's a, it's a very controversial fishing style.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Question four. The topic is fishing. This next great question is via Jeff Bowles. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game calls this hybrid their, quote, "secret weapon for controlling populations of non-native fish."

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Brody. Didn't even wait for the end.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Son of a bitch, Brody already has his answer. This is question four. The topic is fishing. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game calls this hybrid their "secret weapon for controlling populations of non-native fish." Brody, the only player with an answer so far.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Maybe I'm wrong.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Maybe he's wrong. Randall, boat captain-

• 29:21Speaker 03

  I've never caught one. Is that a clue?

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Was trawling in your brain?

• 29:24Steven Rinella?

  Yes, yes.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Just not on your board?

• 29:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I didn't like my answer, as I previously suggested, especially after Steve shredded it.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  I thought he was trying to get you to change-

• 29:36Steven Rinella?

  No, no, I could see there's genuine glee in his eyes when he said my answer. That glee is fading fast right now, man.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  The Idaho Department of Fish and Game calls this hybrid their, quote, "secret weapon for controlling populations of non-native fish." Brody is optimistic. He's the only player-

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Well, I'm so optimistic.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  With an answer so far.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  People call themselves anglers in this room. It's kind of a joke.

• 30:06Steven Rinella?

  Well, it ain't walleye.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Nope, that's correct. And Brody provided a hint saying he's never caught one of these.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Which I feel like is a pretty genuine hint.

• 30:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Speaker 05

  That's your little deal we do now and then.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah, we'll read out your crossed out answer.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  The answer that you're going with. Oh, you know what it could be?

• 30:33Speaker 03

  Could be that.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Oh wow, he might have two crossed out answers. He's gonna write down every hybrid he can think of.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Steve, are you ready? I think we're waiting on you.

• 30:47Steven Rinella?

  Ah shit, yeah.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth without an answer. We have Steve, he crossed out Tiger Muskie. He crossed out Cut Bow and he wrote down Spike. Randall says Tiger Muskie. Alyssa without an answer. Nate says Saw Guy. Yanis, Spike. Brody, Tiger Muskie. We have a correct answer. It's Tiger Muskie.

• 31:13Steven Rinella?

  Son of a bitch, you see that I had that?

• 31:16Speaker 02

  He did have it indeed, along with Cut Bow and Spike. Tiger Muskie are a cross between Northern Pike and Muskie. They are strategically used across North America as a top-down biological control. The benefit of stalking Tiger Muskies is that they have a huge appetite, are sterile, and provide more sport fishing opportunities. Question five.

• 31:39Steven Rinella?

  Wait, are those... are you running the perfect game right now?

• 31:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we've only done like three questions.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  We've done four questions. We will get a scoreboard update from Phil the Engineer after this.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  Are Muskies and Pike native to Idaho?

• 31:52Speaker 02

  No, I don't. There's no way Muskie are.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  That's... it surprised me that they would stalk them.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Well, they're sterile, so you don't have to worry about those things getting out of control. Question five, and it's not just Idaho, Utah, Colorado, I think a lot of the Rocky Mountain states and elsewhere do it. Question five, the topic is cooking. Taste of Home Magazine describes this vegetable's flavor as quote, "A little bit sweet like garlic and a little bit pungent like onions."

• 32:24Speaker 02

  This is question five. We'll get a scoreboard update for Steve from Phil after this. Taste of Home describes this vegetable's flavor as a little bit sweet like garlic and a little bit pungent like onions.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Steve, you like your answer?

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Maybe. He's going back to his whiteboard and doing some more writing.

• 32:48Steven Rinella?

  I wouldn't mind you reading both for me.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Is this vegetable commonly found in the grocery store?

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Not going to give you any hints. Taste of Home describes its flavor as a little bit sweet like garlic and a little bit pungent like onions.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  But it means it's not a type of onion.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Not giving you any hints.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  You need to think about what Taste of Home would be describing here.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, think about it.

• 33:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm not familiar with that magazine.

• 33:18Speaker 05

  Me neither.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Taste of Home magazine, I think you walk into any grocery store, it's gonna be one of the prominent cooking magazines on their shelf.

• 33:27Steven Rinella?

  Why is it being read here at this program?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Because I need to figure out a way to get you to give the right answer, and this is how I can assign a definition to somebody. If I were just to tell you, if I were to say this vegetable tastes a little bit sweet.

• 33:40Steven Rinella?

  I'm saying like, this doesn't feel like having anything to do with any of them.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  It's a cooking question.

• 33:47Steven Rinella?

  And he's covering his ass by attributing it to another authority.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  That's right. You can't argue with their direct quote.

• 33:54Steven Rinella?

  What word? The word I was looking for finally came to me.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  I just like can't, like I can picture the thing.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Does anybody like their answer?

• 34:02Steven Rinella?

  I think I do. I like both of mine.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Okay. Steve, Randall, Alyssa feel okay about what's on their whiteboard?

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Oh, Nate.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Nate is now joining them with an answer.

• 34:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm changing it. You like that?

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Do you two agree?

• 34:17Steven Rinella?

  He didn't laugh.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It's not gonna come to me. Randall and Steve have the same answer.

• 34:23Steven Rinella?

  I better double check.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Are you, are you ready, Brody? Yeah, I'm just like, it's not gonna come to me. Go ahead.

• 34:29Steven Rinella?

  Did you cross, I was gonna say.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. That's it. Seth, the same radish. Steve wrote down ramp, cross that out and put shallot. Randall says shallot. It could be scallion too. Scallion. Nate crossed out beet. That's what I put. Radish. Yanni says scallion and Brody says. Oh no, I was just trying to write down hints for myself. Onion. We have a correct answer.

• 34:57Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  It's shallot, Randall and Steve got that one right.

• 35:03Steven Rinella?

  You know why I put down ramp? Cause I was like, you know, this is like an outdoor show. But then I'm like, sometimes he don't care.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Shallots are in the same family as leeks, chives, garlic and onion. Taste of Home says, in a pinch, you can substitute a sweet onion for a shallot. They are commonly used in salad dressings, stocks, egg dishes and pasta dishes. Phil, we're halfway through the game. Give us a scoreboard update.

• 35:29Steven Rinella?

  Oh, look at that. What did that come out? We've got, oh yeah, it's been a while since you've been here. I think we've been doing the scoreboard. You're gonna love the big twist at the end we've got. Nobody tell him, Phil, did Phil do that?

• 35:40Speaker 02

  He did do that.

• 35:41Steven Rinella?

  Alyssa has zero points. Nate's coming up next with one. Seth has two, Yannis has three and tied up in first place are Steve, Randall and Brody with four points apiece. We should have saved that otter question for the actual tiebreaker. We do a charade round for question nine now. Oh, you do? Yeah. Spencer racked something out and we just have to answer it.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  And then we have a Phil does a singing question for question eight. It's true.

• 36:08Steven Rinella?

  So if he's saying, he's the champion, then we know it's me.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 36:11Steven Rinella?

  You can't be beat.

• 36:14Steven Rinella?

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• 36:55Steven Rinella?

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• 37:39Steven Rinella?

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• 39:32Speaker 02

  Question six. The topic is natural history. What president spearheaded the Lewis and Clark expedition?

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Nate, Randall, Yanni, excuse me, Steve Brody, all quick to answer. What president spearheaded the Lewis and Clark expedition?

• 39:55Speaker 03

  Throwing Randall a bone there. You know, he's a historian.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  It how's?

• 40:00Steven Rinella?

  I mean, we should all know this.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  He says that as Seth and Alyssa have a blank whiteboard.

• 40:09Steven Rinella?

  It's part of our shared history.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  You're right about that.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  What president spearheaded the Lewis and Clark expedition? This is question six.

• 40:20Steven Rinella?

  The verb choices.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:22Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you'd think he was there. Poor verb choice.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  At the front.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Steve's now complained about three of the six questions so far.

• 40:34Steven Rinella?

  I'm just pointing out, it's like, poor word choice. It's a bad verb.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Alyssa, Seth, are you gonna come up with an answer?

• 40:43Steven Rinella?

  I think everyone's ready.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth and Alyssa do not have an answer. And the rest of the room says, Thomas Jefferson, they got it. The correct answer is Thomas Jefferson.

• 40:55Steven Rinella?

  If he had said, who conducted the Louisiana Purchase, would you guys have got that?

• 41:00Speaker 02

  But he didn't conduct it. He wasn't even in Europe when it happened. He didn't know about it.

• 41:04Steven Rinella?

  It happened under his administration.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  He spearheaded it. He spearheaded it. Jefferson asked Congress to fund an expedition to the Pacific Ocean. Three months before France even offered the territory for sale, word hadn't even gotten back to Jefferson yet about the Louisiana Purchase, when he already had Meriwether Lewis prepping for the journey. So Steve, Jefferson thought they were going to Europe to buy the New Orleans port. He didn't know that they were going to buy the entire territory.

• 41:31Steven Rinella?

  I didn't know that.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Your phrasing of the question would have been wrong.

• 41:35Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  You said who?

• 41:36Steven Rinella?

  I would have said, what president was in office at the time?

• 41:40Speaker 02

  That's not what you just said, though.

• 41:42Steven Rinella?

  I said spearheaded was a poor word choice. We don't need two of these in the room.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Question seven. The topic is fishing. This next great question is via Aaron Welsh. The American boater exam defines this seven-letter word as, quote, "the cross-section of the stern where you attach an outboard motor."

• 42:02Steven Rinella?

  He's the champion. But everyone's gonna get this.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  When we were in Yellowstone, the guy, the snow coach driver was explaining how the three forks of the Missouri got their names. And I forget, you know, it's obviously Jefferson, Madison, and Gallatin. And he said, well, we all know who Madison and Jefferson are, but do you know who Gallatin is?

• 42:30Speaker 02

  And you answered.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  I did, I did. I said, Secretary of the Treasury. And he goes, that's right. Steve Gallatin. It's Albert Gallatin.

• 42:41Steven Rinella?

  Did you correct him?

• 42:42Speaker 03

  No. Spencer, do you know what Jefferson sent those fellows out there looking for?

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, there was a number of things, but one of the things, I'm guessing you're referring to woolly mammoths?

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  And...

• 42:55Speaker 02

  There was a lot of things to look for.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  There's certain little tidbits in history that are off, that are much trafficked. That one being one of them.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  I've trafficked that one.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Again, question seven, the American boater exam defines this seven-letter word as the cross-section of the stern where you attach an outboard motor. Is everybody ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth, and Steve, and Randall saying transom. Alyssa without an answer.

• 43:27Steven Rinella?

  What's she got?

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Nate says transom, Yanis, and Brody.

• 43:30Steven Rinella?

  She's got chalice. Trolley?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  The correct answer is transom. The transom's function is to strengthen the stern, absorb a motor's power, and keep water out of the boat. It's common to have motors, transducers, doors, ladders, and your boat's name placed on the transom. Question eight. The topic is gear, and this next great question is via Jacob Hubbard. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives goes by this acronym.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives goes by this acronym. This is what they call themselves. You go to their website. This is how they-

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I just read an article today that, uh, what's her name? Lauren Bobbert. She wants to, uh, get rid of this.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  All for it.

• 44:29Steven Rinella?

  So this is their official acronym.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  This is what they refer to themselves as. You, you go to their website. It says about-

• 44:35Steven Rinella?

  Not the commonly-

• 44:37Speaker 02

  The history of this.

• 44:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives goes by this acronym.

• 44:44Steven Rinella?

  I was only, oh, sorry, go on.

• 44:46Speaker 05

  I was just on their website, uh, an hour ago.

• 44:50Steven Rinella?

  My only interaction with this, uh, about, about suppressors.

• 44:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. That's my only interaction with them. And if I didn't have to do that, the world would be a better place. We'd all have better hearing. So I'm into this idea of, of getting rid of them.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:06Steven Rinella?

  Everybody did the Branch Davidian compound.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Alyssa?

• 45:16Steven Rinella?

  And Ruby Ridge, wasn't it?

• 45:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth and Steve saying ATF. Randall says BATF. Alyssa without an answer. Nate.

• 45:31Steven Rinella?

  The reason you won't get it right is they don't go by that.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Brody saying ATF, the correct answer. The correct answer is ATF. Randall did not get that.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  Never. Then he tried to like so quickly get rid of it. It's like the cover up.

• 45:45Steven Rinella?

  I do that every time. I just want to be done with it.

• 45:49Speaker 05

  That's what I do when I spell shit wrong, Randall.

• 45:52Steven Rinella?

  No, we all saw what you wrote.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  I expected more protest out of you on that one, Randall.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  You go to their website. You argue with them. Like I said-

• 46:03Speaker 03

  I haven't said one word in protest.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  I'm arguing with.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  I haven't said I was expecting more.

• 46:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you know, you're pissed.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I'm telling our listeners who may be upset.

• 46:12Steven Rinella?

  I thought I thought that they officially went by BATF and it was ATF was just a colloquialism. They officially go by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  But on their website, it says, history of ATF, about ATF, careers at ATF. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was originally the alcohol tax unit, which was overseen by the IRS. In the 1940s, they were assigned firearms and in the 1950s, they were assigned tobacco. This is when the acronym ATF was born. The agency was reassigned to the Department of Justice after nine 11, which is when they changed their name to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. But despite their new name, the group still goes by their old acronym. Phil, we have two questions left. Give us a scoreboard update.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  It's a pretty close game. Unfortunately, Alyssa, Nate and Seth cannot catch up, but.

• 47:11Steven Rinella?

  Randall faltered.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  Yanis and Randall are tied up with six and Steven Brody tied up in first place with seven points.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Question nine. The topic is woodsmanship.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Known as, quote, "the morning star," this is the brightest planet in our solar system.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Known as the morning star, this is the brightest planet in our solar system.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  The room looks stumped.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Randall, how do you feel about your answer?

• 47:48Steven Rinella?

  I'm indifferent right now.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Are you trying to Google to make your last answer correct?

• 47:53Steven Rinella?

  I think there's an argument that could be made that we're all wrong.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  For?

• 47:58Steven Rinella?

  Yes.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  ATF?

• 47:59Steven Rinella?

  Yes.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you're on that? I thought you gave up on that. I didn't care. Do you don't mind him just using his phone?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Well, you watch what he's doing and then, uh, then we know that he's not looking up what the morning star is. Again, this is question nine. It's woodsmanship known as the morning star. This is the brightest planet.

• 48:20Steven Rinella?

  Brightest by what measure?

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Uh, by every website's measure who says this is the brightest planet in our solar system. They, they have a number. I think this one's number is like a, a minus 4.7 or something like that. Um, and then they have a number for the sun and the moon as well.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Known as the morning star. This is the brightest planet in our solar system.

• 48:45Speaker 06

  How many are there now? Eight or nine with the whole Pluto thing?

• 48:49Steven Rinella?

  Pluto.

• 48:49Speaker 06

  They did.

• 48:50Steven Rinella?

  Because you either have to, you either have to be that we have like a thousand.

• 48:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:58Steven Rinella?

  Or eight.

• 48:59Speaker 06

  Eight.

• 49:00Steven Rinella?

  But you can't have nine.

• 49:01Speaker 06

  Can't have nine. That's right.

• 49:02Steven Rinella?

  You know how long that sucker takes to go around the sun?

• 49:05Speaker 06

  No.

• 49:05Steven Rinella?

  240 years.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 49:09Steven Rinella?

  Pluto.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Is everybody ready?

• 49:12Steven Rinella?

  That's a little hint. No, I'm not ready. I'm thinking about that.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Known as the morning star. This is the brightest planet in our solar system.

• 49:25Speaker 06

  I'm going with my first one.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  Say, I'm not gonna like.

• 49:29Steven Rinella?

  As observed from Earth?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Not gonna tell. I mean, what, what, what do you think I'm saying? Uh, it could be an eight.

• 49:38Steven Rinella?

  I don't know, dude. That's why I'm asking.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  So, uh.

• 49:41Steven Rinella?

  Do you know it? Do you know it, Brody?

• 49:43Speaker 06

  No. I mean, I have.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Brody, I'm looking, I'm looking at the brightest objects in the night sky and they say the, the sun shines at a magnitude negative 26.7. The moon is a negative 12.7. So I don't know what that scale is, but it keeps saying magnitude.

• 50:01Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Not going to tell you anymore.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Is everybody ready?

• 50:10Steven Rinella?

  I don't think I got it right.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying Mars.

• 50:16Steven Rinella?

  That's what I-

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Steve says Polaris. Polaris?

• 50:19Steven Rinella?

  I got all jacked out. That's what I had is Mars earlier.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Randall says Mercury. Alyssa says Jupiter. Nate says Mars. He crossed out Jupiter. Yanni says Venus. Brody says Venus. We have a correct answer. It's Venus.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Brody and Randall got that one.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  That kind of mental slip up is unusual for you.

• 50:45Steven Rinella?

  I know. I panicked, but I would never thought of Venus.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Venus is one of the most vivid objects in the sky, which is why humans have used it for navigation for thousands of years. It's easiest to find in the morning and evening and can even be spotted at midday. Venus is so visible because it's the closest planet to Earth and its thick clouds reflect sunlight. Phil, give us one last scoreboard update.

• 51:13Speaker 05

  Sure thing. It's not, it's not over yet. It's not over yet, but Brody is in first place with eight points. Steve and Yannis are right behind him with seven points apiece.

• 51:23Steven Rinella?

  I had Venus and I erased it.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Question 10. The topic is conservation.

• 51:29Steven Rinella?

  I deserved the loss.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Name three of the four states with California condors, according to the Cornell Lab.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Name three of the four states with California condors.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  So we have Brody in the lead and it is Randall and Steve.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  No, no, Randall's out. Steve and Yannis have seven.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Steve and Yannis are one point behind, so we need Brody to get this wrong, Yanni or and Steve to get this right to go to overtime. Name three of the four states with California condors.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's see. Can we call it Chili and see if we have any WD-40 around here?

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Former trivia question. Their official name is Water Displacement.

• 52:20Steven Rinella?

  God, Brody, you should just not, you should just throw the question so we can go to overtime, man.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Who's going over?

• 52:26Speaker 06

  Just for fun.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  You would, you would make it.

• 52:29Steven Rinella?

  No, because he's winning right now.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Point behind.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  No, I know. That's what I'm saying. If you lose, then all three of us would go to overtime.

• 52:35Steven Rinella?

  That'd be so fun.

• 52:36Speaker 06

  If we both had it right.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  We've never done an intentional, like, miss before, that I know of.

• 52:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but I panicked on that one there a minute ago.

• 52:44Speaker 05

  What was that thing you said, baby, about letting, not letting your kids win? Wasn't that a conversation we had?

• 52:50Steven Rinella?

  Character building.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Name three of the four states with California condors, and this is the...

• 52:55Speaker 03

  We should just do the overtime question.

• 52:56Speaker 06

  You know, Spencer, we, Brent Reeves and I just hosted a media experiences in Kansas over the new years. And we played trivia a couple nights. It is not the same game without the flavor text.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Well, the game wouldn't exist if I had to put all that flavor text in there, because then it would just be an encyclopedia.

• 53:15Steven Rinella?

  You could just make things up.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 53:18Speaker 06

  We, we, we did that, so...

• 53:20Speaker 02

  That's on the host to, uh, to provide the flavor text then.

• 53:24Steven Rinella?

  Just chat GPT it.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Is everybody ready? Brody, how do you feel about your answer?

• 53:32Speaker 06

  Pretty good.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Okay. Yanni, how do you feel about your answer? Good. Steve? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying California, Nevada, Arizona. Steve says California, Arizona, Nevada. Randall says California, Nevada, Oregon. Alyssa, California, Washington, Nevada. Nate, California, Oregon, Washington. Yanis, California, Arizona, Nevada. Brody, California, Arizona, Utah. He crossed out Nevada. The four states are California, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Brody got it right.

• 54:20Steven Rinella?

  Damn it!

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Making him this week's winner with nine correct answers.

• 54:25Steven Rinella?

  About watching Venus rising.

• 54:27Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 54:28Speaker 07

  In the morning.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  There are about 350 California condors in the wild with more than half of them located in California. But sightings in eastern Utah and northern California have biologists hoping the bird could soon make its way into Oregon and Colorado. Brody, you are the winner. Where is that $500 donation?

• 54:52Speaker 03

  Uh, yep, barely.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Man, I didn't really think about this.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Oh. He's never been in this position before.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Steve, you haven't been here for a while. What should we do?

• 55:03Steven Rinella?

  Just do whatever.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Steve is slumped over in his seat with a cracked whiteboard in front of him.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna do the mule deer foundation, because I love mule deer.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Got the hat on and everything? Okay, he's wearing the mule deer foundation hat. He's gonna send $500 their way.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  And I'm not clear, is that black tail thing separate from mule deer now? That new thing? Or it's within?

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  All right, Brody, you, uh, you glad Steve is back? Or you prefer he just stays?

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Well, you know, we had a game. Randall wasn't much of a challenge today, so.

• 55:41Steven Rinella?

  I mean, look at that number I have, man.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  I tried to.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Thanks, Spencer. That was fun.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Flew too close to the sun.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Ended up crashing into the sea. Join us next week for more Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins.

• 55:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth mellow tones, he lays them questions down.

• 56:10Speaker 07

  And he likes taking those two and three-year-old bucks. And he's an avid amateur.

• 56:18Speaker 07

  Rockhound.

• 56:22Steven Rinella?

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