Geri Halliwell-Horner

She’s here to spice up our lives, we have the icon that is Geri Halliwell-Horner joining us this week! Geri is a Spice Girl, author, actress, and singer - there’s nothing she can’t do! Over lunch we heard about the time she met Nelson Mandela, winning Star Baker on Bake Off, her love of the Tudors, collecting snails as pets, living with George Michael and we discover that she would choose pick ’n’ mix as her last supper main course! Always an absolute treat to have a Spice Girl join us on the podcast, 3 down, 2 to go! Geri’s new children’s book Rosie Frost: Ice on Fire is released on 10th April worldwide. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 2:08Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and the sun has gone.

• 2:13Speaker 06

  It was summer two days ago and now we're back to winter.

• 2:17Jessie Ware?

  But we do have the daffodils out, so it's still spring.

• 2:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:20Jessie Ware?

  And we have a Spice Girl coming on today. Well, she's not just a Spice Girl, she's a UN goodwill ambassador. She is an author, a children's book author, she is a star baker, she is Gerry Halliwell Horner. I feel like she is many things, but first and foremost, the way that we know of her is that she is a Spice Girl. And this is our third Spice Girl on the podcast. She's pop royalty.

• 2:46Speaker 06

  She's an icon.

• 2:47Jessie Ware?

  We have a few people in the room that have, well, we have Luca who does our socials, who is a devoted Spice Boy. And we also have Peter Lorraine, who's our manager, who also actually named the Spice Girls. So potentially he will be coming on the mic to talk about that, because that is good trivia.

• 3:07Speaker 06

  Very good.

• 3:08Jessie Ware?

  I'm on cooking duty and so I have done, I think Gerry is gluten and dairy free. So we're going quite light with the the menu today, which is perfect. I'm doing a side of salmon. It's an Alison Roman recipe, her citrus slow cooked side salmon. So I think you put it on quite a low heat, it's like 140. And it's blood orange season, so you've got blood oranges, lemons and thyme on there, seasoned. And then it gets cooked for about 35 minutes. And then I'm doing it with smashed potatoes, which I swear I've done very recently with the capers. And I've done a whipped feta and yogurt thing to go with it.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  You love to get your whip out, darling.

• 3:49Jessie Ware?

  I do, I do. But Gerry won't be having any of that bit, but she can have the potatoes. And then I'm just doing a herb salad. It's very, very straightforward and it's been very stress free and I like that.

• 4:01Speaker 06

  So I was encouraged to make the best of rhubarb season, which is February, March.

• 4:06Jessie Ware?

  We're just seasonal gals.

• 4:08Speaker 06

  Just seasonal gals. And I've made rhubarb stewed with ginger, orange, stem ginger and orange. And I made some gluten free almond biscuits.

• 4:19Jessie Ware?

  Yum. You're good at those biscuits.

• 4:22Speaker 06

  I don't understand, I can't cook desserts, how I end up on desserts every week at the moment.

• 4:27Jessie Ware?

  Well, listen, my bread making is going from strength to strength.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  Good.

• 4:31Jessie Ware?

  So I may be stepping in as the baker very soon.

• 4:34Speaker 06

  Good.

• 4:35Jessie Ware?

  Who knows, watch this space. So Gerry's coming on to talk about her book. It's her second book of the character Rosie Frost. And I think it's for-

• 4:46Speaker 06

  Isn't it based on her own experiences of childhood?

• 4:49Jessie Ware?

  I think there's parallels.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 4:51Jessie Ware?

  But it's about a girl who is kind of visited by the ghost of Amber Lynn and it's kind of Hunger Games-esque.

• 4:57Speaker 06

  How did Amber Lynn get executed?

• 5:00Jessie Ware?

  Was it divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived?

• 5:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, so?

• 5:05Jessie Ware?

  Um, which one was Amber Lynn? I think she got beheaded.

• 5:07Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 5:08Jessie Ware?

  And Gerry's like a bit of a fan of Amber Lynn. She feels like she's never really got her flowers. And has been quite misunderstood. Anyway, I'm looking forward to meeting Gerry Halliwell Warner. Um, Gerry, coming up on Ted Manas.

• 5:31Jessie Ware?

  Gerry, you are the noziest guest I've ever had and I love it. You've been in nearly every room.

• 5:39Jessie Ware?

  You've asked every question about everybody. We think you should do your own podcast. You may as well add it to the accolades you've already got.

• 5:46Speaker 07

  I'm speechless.

• 5:47Jessie Ware?

  Um, how are you?

• 5:49Speaker 07

  I'm, I'm great. Thank you so much for having me.

• 5:52Jessie Ware?

  I'm so happy to have you.

• 5:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm in awe and slightly, wow.

• 5:56Jessie Ware?

  Where have you come from?

• 5:58Speaker 07

  I've just come back from the National Gallery.

• 6:01Jessie Ware?

  What were you doing there?

• 6:02Speaker 07

  I was doing an interview there, but actually I was looking at a painting. Um, have you been there?

• 6:08Jessie Ware?

  The National Gallery, yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 07

  And for those listening and reminding, oh my God, the paintings there are amazing. I was looking at this painting of Lady Jane Grey. It's massive and it's the-

• 6:21Speaker 07

  It's influenced the book that I've written.

• 6:23Jessie Ware?

  Rosie Frost, which is your second book of the series.

• 6:26Speaker 07

  And but there's a painting of her, she's getting, it's a bit graphic, she's getting her head chopped off, basically, she's she's about to be executed.

• 6:33Jessie Ware?

  Which one was Jane Grey?

• 6:35Speaker 07

  She basically, in the Tudor, do you like history?

• 6:38Jessie Ware?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:38Speaker 07

  Okay, so in the Tudor times, so Henry the Eighth, he had uh three kids.

• 6:44Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Speaker 07

  So he had Mary and then he had Edward.

• 6:48Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 6:48Speaker 07

  And Elizabeth, so not in that order, the two girls first. But what happened was that um the first two daughters got a null. They were sort of like, didn't count, so to speak, I'm sort of short cutting this. And then Edward, who was fifteen.

• 7:02Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 7:02Speaker 07

  He got really ill. And when he was dying, um and it was all about Protestants versus Cath- Catholics. The Protestants didn't want a Catholic to go take the throne. So they, they, the family all said, oh, make sure that you get your your cousin, so to speak, Jane Grey, to go on the throne, because she's a Protestant. And she was only seventeen. But meanwhile, you had Mary and Elizabeth, well, Mary, they're all Catholic, all her supporters were furious.

• 7:33Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 7:33Speaker 07

  So what happened was, they put her on the throne. So it was all just kind of using this young girl. She was seventeen years old, she was the Queen of Nine Days. She went up and literally, she was a queen for nine days and then she got executed. By all the uprising of the Catholics uh supporting Mary. And it wasn't Mary's fault either, it was just all these men. You know, orchestrating, pushing.

• 7:59Jessie Ware?

  Want to be queen anyway.

• 7:59Speaker 07

  There you go, you've just got it, you're you're right, Lenny. There you go. That that's so, this is amazing painting there.

• 8:06Jessie Ware?

  And you're drinking Earl Grey tea.

• 8:08Speaker 07

  Earl Grey tea.

• 8:08Jessie Ware?

  Sure they were.

• 8:09Speaker 07

  Oh, there's a nice theme there. Is that my?

• 8:11Jessie Ware?

  Sorry, no, that was my alarm saying that the salmon is ready, but we're just.

• 8:14Speaker 07

  What are we having?

• 8:16Jessie Ware?

  We're having. A slow cooked salmon with blood oranges and lemon and thyme. Um but one of my favourite chefs that we've had on the podcast called Alison Roman, do you know of her?

• 8:28Speaker 07

  No.

• 8:29Jessie Ware?

  She's fab, New York fab.

• 8:30Speaker 07

  And you like it really, have you always been into cooking?

• 8:33Jessie Ware?

  I've always been into food, yeah, and I do like cooking, I love it actually. And in fact, I've just got into, I know you're a baker, a star baker in fact. Um, um, but I've just got into doing sourdough and I feel like I'm boring everyone talking about it.

• 8:46Speaker 07

  Okay, so you've got a really, uh, I know a tiny bit about bread.

• 8:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 07

  That you've got the proving.

• 8:52Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, the stretch and fold.

• 8:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 8:54Jessie Ware?

  And the, and, and my, the mother and, uh, yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 07

  How was your mother?

• 8:59Jessie Ware?

  My mother's fab, she's thriving. I've called her after my yoga teacher, you gave it to me, Helen. Um, so.

• 9:06Speaker 07

  Helena.

• 9:09Jessie Ware?

  You've never made a bread in your life, Lenny, so I'm not doing that, thank you. Um, but yeah, actually, just, why not finish this, uh, after you leave, Jerry, I will be, I will be making a loaf. Because that's the kind of gal I am.

• 9:21Speaker 07

  It's quite satisfying, isn't it?

• 9:23Jessie Ware?

  What's your best bake?

• 9:26Speaker 07

  Okay, so I, when I was a little girl.

• 9:30Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Speaker 07

  I used to go to my neighbour's house and I had this, uh, she was called Auntie Doreen. And so, and it was a real treat.

• 9:38Jessie Ware?

  We always had to call everyone who was older than you.

• 9:41Speaker 07

  Auntie, auntie something.

• 9:42Jessie Ware?

  Or is that a kind of Spanish thing as well?

• 9:44Speaker 07

  Uh, both, I, I would say. And so I'd go across the road and make, bake a sort of simple cake with her. And for me, those memories would be like, I don't know, Victoria's sponge or a crumble. I, I would say, I'm not the biggest foodie, but when, if I have to choose, I love cakes.

• 10:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 10:03Speaker 07

  Simple cakes.

• 10:04Jessie Ware?

  Are you the person that looks at the dessert menu before you start your main course?

• 10:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think, yeah, totally.

• 10:12Jessie Ware?

  You have two children and so a birthday cake's a big deal in the house. And do you make them?

• 10:18Speaker 07

  I can do, I can do some, but they always want that fancy. Um, you know, like icing.

• 10:25Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 10:26Speaker 07

  You know, all the, I wouldn't say that's my.

• 10:29Jessie Ware?

  So when was the last.

• 10:30Speaker 07

  Baking is different though to cooking, I think. It's much more scientific.

• 10:34Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, see, that's why I don't really get on with it.

• 10:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, I'm, okay, have you, ha- has the listeners have ha- ever seen your house?

• 10:43Jessie Ware?

  They kind of see bits of it because, like, they usually see the kitchen, they don't really see anything else.

• 10:48Speaker 07

  If I looked at your personality through the, your house.

• 10:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 07

  You see this flair and colour and personality and warmth. You know, everywhere you go is, and so it's indicative of your cooking is the same.

• 11:02Jessie Ware?

  You're psychoanal- analysing me and I like it, Jenny.

• 11:06Speaker 07

  I mean, this marble is beautiful, but it's like full of flushed with colour. And then she's got loads of paintings everywhere and photos and it's kind of. It's not.

• 11:17Jessie Ware?

  Chaotic.

• 11:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, okay, but it's, it's beautifully chaotic. It's something really, yeah, really nice. I was like, you know, when there's your sensory overload, when I walk through this door, I was like, wow, look at this.

• 11:28Jessie Ware?

  But you seem like you, you absorb everything and you take it in, like, I love that you've just been to the National Gallery to go and look at a painting. Before coming and doing the podcast and then you, you're looking around, you're, you're, we've just got, we're just getting to know each other and you're already kind of, you're, you're so passionate. And yet you decide, this is your uniform now, you've been wearing white for how long, it just doesn't make, for me, it doesn't make sense. I feel like you should be in all the colours or do you like it because you need the calm?

• 11:54Speaker 07

  I went through a period when I was in my twenties.

• 11:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 07

  Wearing black all the time.

• 12:00Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 12:01Speaker 07

  Um, was that post Spice Girls? Um, poten- yeah, I think so, but I've gone through different periods and obviously, you know, clothes, Helena, Lenny is wearing bright orange. And it's, you know, it's sunshine and warm. But what I found, I tell you what, I looked at a lot of guys and they always wear the same thing.

• 12:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 07

  Okay, whether it's, whether it was, um, uh, Steve Jobs, Facebook guy. You know, all of, they all just wear the same thing.

• 12:27Jessie Ware?

  Like a uniform.

• 12:28Speaker 07

  Like a uniform, so they're not, they get out of bed and go. And that is a multitude of things. I thought, well, actually. How much time do you use getting ready?

• 12:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I, I, I, look, I'm.

• 12:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was one thing and everything matches.

• 12:46Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 12:47Speaker 07

  So it was a bit of that sometimes.

• 12:48Speaker 06

  It does suit you then.

• 12:49Speaker 07

  You do look.

• 12:50Speaker 06

  You look gorgeous in it, it suits your colouring.

• 12:52Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 12:53Speaker 06

  And you've got gorgeous skin, yeah, really gorgeous.

• 12:55Speaker 07

  Thank you, I appreciate that.

• 12:57Speaker 06

  And it, it, you, it looks great on, oh, your aunt wears.

• 13:00Speaker 07

  It's simplicity.

• 13:01Speaker 06

  Wears a lot of white as well.

• 13:02Jessie Ware?

  It's so funny because I think of you and it's not that I, you.

• 13:07Speaker 06

  You think.

• 13:07Jessie Ware?

  Gregarious.

• 13:08Speaker 06

  In a Union Jack.

• 13:09Jessie Ware?

  Well, no, I, no, I don't just think of you in a Union Jack, of course, but like, I wonder whether it was like. You needed that simplicity, like you needed that kind of uniformity and that's, it's kind of.

• 13:20Speaker 07

  It just keeps things, maybe it keeps things simple, I suppose.

• 13:24Speaker 06

  Do you, when you're at home, do you wear jeans and different colours or is this when you're going out?

• 13:32Speaker 07

  Sometimes I'll put on, so I've got some khaki trousers or something, but you know.

• 13:37Jessie Ware?

  You're cooking white.

• 13:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 06

  What colour's your swimsuit? White.

• 13:43Jessie Ware?

  What do you think, Mum?

• 13:44Speaker 06

  White.

• 13:44Speaker 07

  Mm hmm. But, but, but I do have other colours, but then sometimes I'll just throw it into.

• 13:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:52Jessie Ware?

  Your dry cleaning bill must be through the roof, Jerry.

• 13:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 06

  Do you dress your children in white?

• 14:00Speaker 07

  No, no, they're, they're in school uniforms, really. Yeah, they choose, they dress themselves. Actually, blue, they should, one of my daughters, she, um. She went through a period of wearing the same dress when she was about three.

• 14:17Speaker 06

  Oh, we did that one.

• 14:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, she, uh, she just wouldn't change out of it. And so I ended up really making a point every day she had to put something different on. Because she was getting.

• 14:28Jessie Ware?

  I, I think my daughter had this one, it was an Oiler Lee dress that I'd got on eBay and, you know.

• 14:34Speaker 06

  It actually was falling apart by the time, yeah.

• 14:36Jessie Ware?

  Schmatty by the end, I mean, and she loved it so much. It's so funny, isn't it?

• 14:40Speaker 07

  Isn't it? I suppose it's about what they can control and what they feel safe with.

• 14:44Jessie Ware?

  And then there's us being like, you must, yeah, no. And can we take it back to Watford? Where you grew up and what is a memorable dish from your childhood and who was around the dinner table?

• 14:57Speaker 07

  Liver.

• 15:00Speaker 06

  Where do you stand on liver now?

• 15:02Speaker 07

  Well, actually, I see I sometimes I see food as uh medicine or fuel. So actually, I ate liver yesterday.

• 15:12Speaker 06

  Did you?

• 15:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:13Speaker 06

  What sort? Carbs or chicken?

• 15:15Speaker 07

  It was, uh, I think it was carbs. And um, you know, if you need a bit of iron, just eat it. But but back in the day, I think meat was a treat. It wasn't so greedy, because I've tried being a vegan. I've done, I did that for two years and I don't really have a stand on it. It doesn't matter. To me, but I've tried all different ways of eating and but I think back to you know. Food was, you know, it wasn't so, how can you put it? It wasn't so available. You know, back in the day, I didn't know we'd have, you know, a steak as a treat. And and now, you know, I went through a stage a couple of, I don't know, a few years ago where it's just, you know, you can have it as much as time as you like. And then suddenly, if you just put it in the right size it.

• 16:00Speaker 07

  Um, I think that's a good thing. But in answer to your question, what was a real? What would I really think about? My my mother, she'd mix up, like, English food with my mother's Spanish. She'd sort of put a bit of like paella on there and sometimes and there'd be some like roast potatoes. It didn't quite, she'd be mixing it up.

• 16:21Speaker 06

  Does she have a Spanish accent?

• 16:23Speaker 07

  Very, very.

• 16:24Speaker 06

  How does she say your name?

• 16:26Speaker 07

  Geraldine.

• 16:28Jessie Ware?

  Do you, were you bi- are you bilingual then?

• 16:31Speaker 07

  Um, I can sort of speak Spanglish as she speaks English. Yeah, I can speak, get by if we were lost.

• 16:37Jessie Ware?

  Oh, God, that's my alarm saying that I need to take the um salmon out. I'm just gonna let it like do it.

• 16:42Speaker 06

  Very annoying alarm. Are you an only child?

• 16:45Speaker 07

  No, but I'm the, I'm the youngest child, so I've got that.

• 16:49Speaker 06

  So did you all sit around the dinner table?

• 16:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, very much so. My mother was all about that.

• 16:53Speaker 06

  With your bitter paella and your potatoes.

• 16:56Speaker 07

  Totally. My mother's always been about sitting down at the table.

• 16:59Speaker 06

  And having dinner all together?

• 17:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, one hundred percent. I do that as well.

• 17:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 07

  One hundred percent.

• 17:04Speaker 06

  And what's your best dish that you cook that everybody loves?

• 17:08Speaker 07

  Do you know what, I think I'm safe with, I know it sounds really basic, but scrambled eggs.

• 17:13Jessie Ware?

  Oh wow.

• 17:14Speaker 07

  Slow scrambled eggs, if you do it really slowly, like the French.

• 17:18Jessie Ware?

  Oh, well, we did have Countess Luan on from the Real Housewives of, um, of New York and she says, she calls it eggs à la française and she adds a little bit of water to hers.

• 17:27Speaker 07

  Okay, to really.

• 17:28Jessie Ware?

  Really low and slow.

• 17:29Speaker 07

  Low and slow, that's, I would say, that's one thing I feel secure on.

• 17:33Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 07

  But for me, cooking.

• 17:36Jessie Ware?

  That's breakfast.

• 17:37Speaker 07

  I know, but you can have it anytime.

• 17:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay, absolutely.

• 17:40Speaker 07

  But, so I, it's really nice when you make food that is, as you're a creative. It's like a song that you make someone go, mm, right, when it's like that, but when food feels like you're just a caf, is a cafeteria.

• 17:54Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 17:54Speaker 07

  Do you know what I mean, then it becomes, then it takes the enjoyment out.

• 17:57Jessie Ware?

  Do your kids appreciate your food?

• 18:02Jessie Ware?

  Hmm, not enough.

• 18:03Speaker 07

  There you go, there you go.

• 18:04Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 18:04Speaker 07

  There you go.

• 18:06Jessie Ware?

  What's on the menu tonight? Are you in tonight?

• 18:08Speaker 07

  My son just loves chicken nuggets.

• 18:11Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 18:11Speaker 07

  No matter where we go, he could, he could do like a guide to the best chicken nuggets in the world. Do you know what I mean? He absolutely loves chicken nuggets.

• 18:20Jessie Ware?

  Do they call them in America, tenders?

• 18:22Speaker 07

  Tenders, yeah.

• 18:23Jessie Ware?

  Chicken tenders, yeah. My kids had a, uh, well, you know what, though, we've started doing, we can do, you know, the big old chicken nugget. But you can put like katsu curry with it, so that at least you feel like you're giving them something slightly different than just a chicken nugget. But yeah, my kids are chicken nugget crazy.

• 18:40Speaker 07

  Chicken nuggets.

• 18:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 07

  Bluebell really likes cooking.

• 18:44Jessie Ware?

  Does she?

• 18:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, she cooked last night for us.

• 18:46Jessie Ware?

  What did she, and she cooked liver?

• 18:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, actually that was an extra bit, I had had a liver earlier. She cooked chi- Chinese chicken, but she'll do anything, she cooked me steak the other day. For Valentine's, rather than going out, she cooked for the, you know, me and my husband.

• 19:02Jessie Ware?

  What's she studying?

• 19:03Speaker 07

  English, literature.

• 19:05Jessie Ware?

  Oh great. Are you, are you thrilled?

• 19:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, that mother's pride, isn't it? You must be very proud of your daughter for what she's achieved.

• 19:12Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 07

  And this is amazing.

• 19:13Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Speaker 07

  So to watch them thrive and find their own lane, is that my bag?

• 19:17Jessie Ware?

  Is that your bag?

• 19:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I think you're.

• 19:19Speaker 07

  I'm sorry, Joey, I apologize.

• 19:22Jessie Ware?

  No, it's all right, I don't know, I, I don't want it to be an emergency.

• 19:26Speaker 07

  No, I turn it off.

• 19:27Jessie Ware?

  You're very popular, Jerry, or you're on a group, a, a school WhatsApp group?

• 19:31Speaker 07

  No, I'm not on, oh my god.

• 19:33Jessie Ware?

  You don't do the school WhatsApp group?

• 19:35Speaker 07

  Sometimes, sometimes not.

• 19:36Jessie Ware?

  Do you mute them?

• 19:38Speaker 07

  No, I'm just, yeah, sometimes it gets, you know, just being on WhatsApp groups, I find quite, what do you think?

• 19:46Jessie Ware?

  I have to be on all of them because my husband just taps out.

• 19:49Speaker 06

  But do you, do you get, when you, when you go, do people want you to do something Spice Girl-y? For the school, if there's a school performance or no.

• 19:58Speaker 07

  Girl-y, but sometimes they might ask for some motivation, which is, you know, I'm happy to do. Um, to help up, encourage and uplift, you know, you know, so it doesn't matter what the genre, genre is.

• 20:11Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 07

  You know, whether it's sports, music.

• 20:14Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 07

  Um, science or my, or book writing, do you know what I mean? To encourage others to use their initiative and do like, okay.

• 20:22Jessie Ware?

  Which leads us perfectly on to Rosie Frost. This is Ice and Fire, it's the second of the series.

• 20:29Jessie Ware?

  I mean, so we were just talking about it and about, um.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Big old books.

• 20:33Jessie Ware?

  Big, chunky, a chunky book and, and um, Rosie Frost is the protagonist. And she is kind of guided by the ghost of Amber Lynn.

• 20:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, in the first book she is.

• 20:42Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 20:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 06

  She looks slightly like someone sitting at the table here today.

• 20:47Speaker 07

  Oh, she's got the, the hair slightly red.

• 20:50Jessie Ware?

  Um, is there a lot of you in Rosie?

• 20:52Speaker 07

  You can't help putting a little bit of yourself in character.

• 20:56Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 20:58Speaker 07

  And then, but you sort of, it's like, do you know, it's not dissimilar of being a chef when you write. So you get all these ingredients for different personalities, you take a bit of that one, a bit of that one and put it into that person. And, um, and you get to decide, you get to play God, like what happens. So if you like adventure and if you like history, it's in there. I always sort of, it's a modern day story, but it's with a backdrop of a little bit of history. Um, each one has it, like the previous one was Amber Lynn, this one is, um. I don't want to spoil it, but it's one of the other queens.

• 21:35Jessie Ware?

  Is it a Tudor?

• 21:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:36Jessie Ware?

  Because you love the Tudors.

• 21:37Speaker 07

  I love the Tudors, the, the school, Heverbridge, is built on this island in the south of England. So instead of Jurassic Park with dinosaurs, you've got endangered. Animals and this school heaver bridge was built by Queen Elizabeth the first in honour of her mother. So it's a bit like you building a school for for your gorgeous. Absolutely, yeah. Because. Never gonna happen. Not gonna happen. Okay, in honour of her because she um Amber Lynn was executed by her husband Elizabeth's father when she was three. So Elizabeth was only three when she lost her. That's so cruel. It's so cruel. If you think about it in modern day times, a three year old loses her mother by and her father had her mother's head chopped off.

• 22:15Speaker 07

  Shamed her, yeah. Can you imagine? He was a terrible husband. Yeah, he was a tyrant. So she, so Elizabeth builds this school for her, right? And it's full of polymath, it's really clever kids in honour of her mother, right? And so all these brilliant kids go to this school. So it's like all sorts that you would know of, like whether it's Frida Kahlo, um Emma line Pankhurst. Scientists, all brilliance have gone to this school and up till now, five hundred years later, so Rosie Frost is sent to this school. Okay. And so you've got all the different heritage of different Tudor Tudors are there, but also the brilliant brain, brainy kids are there. But there there's like this horrible head mark, well, he's a deputy head who's got up to something. There's the mean girl. So.

• 23:00Speaker 07

  Does that give you a picture? Yeah, yeah. So excited. Is Rosie clever? I think Rosie has definitely got, she, yeah, she has. Got potential. Yeah, definitely potential. She's come from an ordinary school, sent to this school and she's like, what the hell am I doing here? She's lost her mother, she's grieving. And um actually in book two, she's kind of like, who's my father? There's a bit of that. And but there's a lot of this science involved, there's big science competition, but there's mur- it's murderous. Okay, the way I can describe it, okay, so you know, um, do you like Star Wars? I, yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 07

  Ish, okay. So you know how the sort that it ups the ante each time. So this has got more murder, more betrayal, more revenge. So an adult could read this and go, okay. Yeah. And if you like Harry Potter, it's kind of quite, do you think it's kind of a fantasy?

• 23:53Speaker 07

  If you like Harry Potter, yeah, I mean, that that's the, you know, she she's amazing, Holy Grail, that brilliant writer and brilliant adventure. It's got the fast paced adventure, but what I'd say instead of magic, it's it's like the courage from within. Finding your inner power and Rosie's turning fourteen, so she's.

• 24:13Speaker 07

  She's going through puberty, but falling in love, those, you know, all those feelings, but you could read it too. Because it deals with adult themes like revenge, betrayal. And how you, you, how you, how that pans, like, how you unpack it.

• 24:28Speaker 06

  Is it gonna be made into a film? A musical film?

• 24:32Speaker 07

  You have to wait, they'll give my look. We'll see.

• 24:35Speaker 06

  How exciting.

• 24:35Jessie Ware?

  I'd love that to happen for you, Jerry.

• 24:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, thank you.

• 24:38Jessie Ware?

  Um, that's exciting.

• 24:39Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:40Jessie Ware?

  Um, I'm gonna just get the food on the table.

• 24:42Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 24:43Jessie Ware?

  Should I, should I serve?

• 24:44Speaker 07

  Can we just talk about your earrings?

• 24:46Jessie Ware?

  Oh, completed works, I love completed works.

• 24:49Speaker 07

  Describe them for the.

• 24:50Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so they are, um, they're actually resin. And they're, they're like, they're supposed to be like a scrunchie, that's what they call them. I think they're called the scrunchie, but they do look like polos, they look like fruit polos. And they're purple and I don't know, maybe subconsciously because of Eugenia Lavendai. Put on lavender, I don't know, now I'm wearing white, I sound like a freaking weirdo, but, um, they're completed works and I love them.

• 25:14Speaker 07

  They're really interesting, aren't they?

• 25:16Jessie Ware?

  Um, are you hungry?

• 25:17Speaker 07

  A little bit, yeah. I, I, if I'm honest, I did eat a little bit before I came.

• 25:21Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  It's okay, it's fine.

• 25:23Jessie Ware?

  Thanks for the honesty, Jerry, thank you, just me slaving away.

• 25:25Speaker 07

  So I hate, I hate showing up really hungry.

• 25:29Speaker 06

  I agree with you.

• 25:30Speaker 07

  I think it's bad manners.

• 25:31Speaker 06

  Cause then you're ravenous and you want to eat everything.

• 25:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, and then I can't concentrate, can you have some of that water as well, please?

• 25:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course.

• 25:37Speaker 07

  Do you understand what I mean?

• 25:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I absolutely agree.

• 25:39Speaker 07

  And then I'll just eat the bread and then not actually eat the dinner.

• 25:42Speaker 06

  Do you ever get together with the other Spice Girls now for dinner?

• 25:45Speaker 07

  Occasionally, occasionally, yeah, it's like old school friends.

• 25:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 25:50Speaker 06

  And does anybody cook, does anybody have a meal at their house and they cook?

• 25:55Speaker 07

  Um, sometimes, I think, uh, Melanie does, Melanie's.

• 25:59Speaker 06

  Who's the best cook of all?

• 26:00Speaker 07

  She's really good, yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 06

  We've had Melanie, whi- which Melanie?

• 26:04Jessie Ware?

  Sue.

• 26:04Speaker 06

  Mel C we've had.

• 26:06Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 26:06Jessie Ware?

  We've had Bea as well.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  We've had C and B.

• 26:09Speaker 07

  Oh, amazing. Okay, uh, yeah, uh, C has, Melanie.

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:15Speaker 07

  She is.

• 26:15Speaker 06

  And we went to see, did you go and see her when she did the ballet?

• 26:18Speaker 07

  Oh, my god, I saw.

• 26:20Speaker 06

  We went, we went to see it.

• 26:22Jessie Ware?

  Me and Mel have actually become friends.

• 26:24Speaker 07

  She's nice, isn't she?

• 26:25Jessie Ware?

  She's the loveliest.

• 26:26Speaker 07

  She's so nice.

• 26:27Jessie Ware?

  She's just really, like, you can't describe it to me. I think, uh, also, Emma, Emma and I are both UNICEF ambassadors, and so I've seen Emma. And, and Mel B was gorgeous when she came on too, and I don't know Victoria, but, um. Emma's always been completely warm and, um. And always makes the time if we see each other. It's like she's always got time for you, which I just think is so gorgeous. And then Mel C. Because I guess we both, we both do music and she's such a kind of LGBT ally.

• 27:00Speaker 06

  And you both do that.

• 27:02Jessie Ware?

  We, we, I mean, and we have lots of mutual friends, but like, I, she came on and then we kept in touch and she's just always made an effort and I love that. She's not flaky, like, she's kind of.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  She's real.

• 27:12Jessie Ware?

  She's, she's real and she makes an effort and so I, and I can't quite believe that, you know, a Spice Girl's texting me, do you know what I mean, inviting me to like a party.

• 27:19Speaker 07

  That's so nice.

• 27:20Jessie Ware?

  Or like being like, congrats, like, she's just a lovely person.

• 27:23Speaker 07

  Very nice person.

• 27:25Speaker 06

  So we ask everyone, if you're going on a desert island for six months, because I can't better thought of a death penalty. Um, what would be your last supper if you're going away for a long time, you don't have access to everything you like? Start a main course and drink.

• 27:41Speaker 07

  I was just gonna go straight for the cake.

• 27:43Speaker 06

  Oh, my god, she is a straight for the cake person.

• 27:48Speaker 07

  I probably eat cake.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  I think the world is divided up into two lots of people, the ones that have to have dessert. So I'd have two starters and, and cheese, and a main course and then cheese.

• 27:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, for me, it, um, I get it.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  Wish I'd made a cake now.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  No, it's fine. So, like, no, I, I, I'm. Yes, but I, so now again, we can go off, peace, you know, if it's one.

• 28:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, um, no, I, I just like cake. And if you're on your last meal at a desert island.

• 28:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 07

  You could just certainly go.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  Okay, so.

• 28:21Speaker 07

  I'd have cake.

• 28:21Speaker 06

  What's your favourite cake?

• 28:25Speaker 07

  Um, it's got that so hard.

• 28:27Speaker 06

  Is it chocolate?

• 28:29Speaker 07

  I like, I do like lemon drizzle, but I kinda like just simple.

• 28:35Speaker 07

  Simple, yeah, keep it simple.

• 28:38Speaker 06

  So are you going to eat any starters or just?

• 28:42Speaker 07

  I'll eat, oh.

• 28:42Speaker 06

  What would be your starter?

• 28:45Speaker 07

  Okay, if I had to have something, what I'd quite like, um, if we were gonna make it fancy.

• 28:51Speaker 06

  Doesn't have to be fancy, it's what you love.

• 28:54Speaker 07

  Maybe some toast.

• 28:55Speaker 06

  Toast.

• 28:56Speaker 07

  Quite like toast with butter on it.

• 28:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, toast and butter.

• 28:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, it'd be quite nice.

• 29:02Speaker 07

  No.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  Okay, toast and butter.

• 29:07Speaker 06

  Salty butter?

• 29:08Speaker 07

  It doesn't really matter.

• 29:09Speaker 06

  And then, what, do you have a main course? Remember, you're going to be spear, spearing for fish.

• 29:21Speaker 07

  I do actually, yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  Do you?

• 29:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 06

  I think the world's divided up in people who like more, don't you? How do you eat this? Do you, do you put a little?

• 29:34Speaker 07

  No, you'd put like.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Vinegar.

• 29:36Speaker 07

  Vinegar.

• 29:36Speaker 06

  With onions?

• 29:38Speaker 07

  Again, it's what you get out of it as well, you get really, it's got, it's full of zinc, it looks lovely for those listening, it's. And there's potatoes and they look really nice.

• 29:48Jessie Ware?

  So you're gl- you're dairy free, aren't you?

• 29:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:51Jessie Ware?

  So, yeah, we're gonna have it with a little whipped feta thing, um, but you can just have a little smashed potato there.

• 29:57Speaker 07

  Amazing. Did you cook this this morning?

• 30:00Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 07

  Just now.

• 30:02Jessie Ware?

  Very straightforward.

• 30:03Speaker 07

  That's really nice, thank you.

• 30:06Speaker 07

  This looks lovely.

• 30:07Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. I don't know if it is or not, but, um, anyway, uh, did we get, um, did we get a main then?

• 30:14Speaker 06

  We got, she, she wanted oysters.

• 30:16Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  But were you having anything else besides oysters for your main?

• 30:20Speaker 07

  I actually wouldn't bother with oysters because if we're going on a desert island, we probably could get them there.

• 30:25Speaker 06

  You might be able to.

• 30:26Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, so I wouldn't bother, I'd get something like pick and mix.

• 30:30Speaker 06

  Pick and mix.

• 30:34Jessie Ware?

  Which would be in your pick and mix selection?

• 30:36Speaker 07

  Sweet teas, I'd go for sweet teas like, you know, cola bottles.

• 30:40Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I love cola bottles.

• 30:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:42Jessie Ware?

  Do you like the sour ones?

• 30:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, I like sour, it's fine. I'd just go for sweet teas, like a good sugar.

• 30:51Jessie Ware?

  You're brilliantly confusing to me, Jer. It's like you're a lady. You ask for an Earl Grey and then you have a pick and mix for your mains.

• 30:59Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:00Jessie Ware?

  I love it.

• 31:01Speaker 07

  Imagine being me.

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• 33:21Jessie Ware?

  We do have my manager, our manager, Peter Lorraine is here, who you actually know.

• 33:26Speaker 07

  I know Peter.

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  How do you know Peter Lorraine?

• 33:29Speaker 07

  I know Peter. He used to be editor of this magazine, Top of the Pops magazine, which was like back in the day. This is pre-internet. Magazines would be the forefront of, you know, the narrative of what was in and what was not. And that particular like level, Top of the Pops was a leading magazine. It was quite young, sort of going from pre-teen upwards, I would say. And one of the first interviews when I was in the band, the Spice Girls, he made a spice, he sort of did this little, he interviewed us and then he did a spice rack. It was like, just funny.

• 34:12Speaker 07

  And then he just, he said, oh, and then he just named each spice. That was it. And then we just, and then it stuck. We thought, that's a good idea, let's keep it.

• 34:21Jessie Ware?

  Were you happy with his choice?

• 34:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, I didn't mind it at all.

• 34:25Jessie Ware?

  Is there a very memorable Spice Girl meal?

• 34:29Speaker 07

  I was thinking about this the other day, I was in the car. I was always designated driver and...

• 34:36Jessie Ware?

  Why was that?

• 34:36Speaker 07

  I don't know, it was because of the orders and I had a car. But I remember very much two things. One was stopping off at service stations and having...

• 34:50Speaker 07

  You know, and the service stations wouldn't be as, you know, souped up as they are now.

• 34:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 07

  Um, and there'd be, you know, having things like sausage rolls.

• 35:00Jessie Ware?

  Ginsters.

• 35:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, that kind of thing, yeah. Or I really remember having um, chips and scraps. Which which is from up north is the little, you know, the the the bottom ends, which I really, I lo- I do love chips. I have to say that is my other favourite food, I would say. I like chips.

• 35:18Jessie Ware?

  Do you cook them now?

• 35:20Speaker 07

  I don't cook them now, but chips from a fish and chip shop or sort of medium sized fries.

• 35:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay, you like a little chunk?

• 35:27Speaker 07

  A little. I don't like big chips, but I like sort of medium.

• 35:30Jessie Ware?

  Forget about a pomfry.

• 35:32Speaker 07

  That's okay.

• 35:33Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 07

  That's okay.

• 35:34Jessie Ware?

  If they're done well.

• 35:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, if they're done well. But I, yeah, I like think keeping it simple.

• 35:39Speaker 06

  Have to say your air fryer chips are great.

• 35:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I've started doing the air for chips and air fry and it's so good because you can get.

• 35:45Speaker 07

  Really quick.

• 35:46Jessie Ware?

  Jerry, you can get chicken nuggets and.

• 35:48Speaker 07

  How tell me through it? How do you do it in an air fryer?

• 35:51Jessie Ware?

  You literally put your chicken nuggets and your chips into the.

• 35:55Speaker 07

  Raw.

• 35:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, like from fr- freezer or whatever or. Um. And you put it on and you put air fry. Didn't even spray them. You could just spray them with a bit of oil.

• 36:05Speaker 07

  If you had to make it from scratch.

• 36:08Jessie Ware?

  Oh, no. Yeah, no, you could just put potatoes in. Yeah, you just put sliced potatoes in.

• 36:13Speaker 07

  Sliced potatoes.

• 36:13Jessie Ware?

  But for the ease of if your child needs that that food very quickly, you don't want to heat up the oven and. You can get them on the table in in fifteen minutes, Jo.

• 36:23Speaker 07

  Okay, I I'm gonna get air fryer. Okay, that sounds really good. These potatoes are really nice.

• 36:27Speaker 06

  They're lovely, darling.

• 36:29Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. Um.

• 36:31Speaker 07

  Really nice.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  Did you just boil them and then squish them and then?

• 36:35Jessie Ware?

  So I boiled, yeah, boiled them and then just um, got kind of a jar and pushed down on them, which made them smashed or squished and then.

• 36:42Speaker 07

  They're really nice.

• 36:43Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. Um, what did Nelson Mandela give you to eat?

• 36:49Speaker 07

  Um, rice, um, salad and fish. It was like a buffet.

• 36:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, sort of like line up and have it.

• 36:58Speaker 06

  Is that one of the most special moments of being a Spice Girl, getting to meet so so fantastic.

• 37:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean.

• 37:04Speaker 06

  Wonderful people like that.

• 37:05Speaker 07

  I feel very privileged to have to have met amazing, you know, I read his book The Long Walk to Freedom and then.

• 37:12Speaker 06

  It's one of the most moving books.

• 37:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, amazing, and that sort of teaches me so much about forgiveness and overcoming and.

• 37:21Speaker 06

  We went to Robben Island, didn't we?

• 37:23Jessie Ware?

  Um, and we, and we went and came to Brixton.

• 37:24Speaker 07

  What was that like?

• 37:26Speaker 06

  Um.

• 37:26Speaker 07

  Very.

• 37:27Speaker 06

  Um, really upsetting. You'd be really astonished. It was, it was.

• 37:31Speaker 07

  He's there twenty years.

• 37:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and you know, he, he was kind of blinded by the quarry, um, because it was so bright white, so the up. Cause they were working in the quarries, they'd just work and chip away.

• 37:41Speaker 06

  Because of the sun's reflection on the white, it, it made her, it, it affected his eyesight.

• 37:46Speaker 07

  Do you know?

• 37:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 37:48Speaker 06

  Oh, this cat.

• 37:48Speaker 07

  Sorry, I don't know why the cat.

• 37:49Speaker 06

  Hello.

• 37:50Speaker 07

  Sorry, this is Pinky. Hi, Pinky.

• 37:53Speaker 06

  Cat started eating.

• 37:54Speaker 07

  So cute.

• 37:55Speaker 06

  Do you, do you have any animals?

• 37:56Speaker 07

  I've got lots of animals. I love animals.

• 37:59Speaker 06

  So what have you got?

• 38:00Speaker 07

  Okay, so originally I was a cat person. Hello, Pinky.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  She's a flirt. She is a bit of a tart. We like that.

• 38:05Speaker 07

  So I always had cats. I love cats. And then I've had lots of dogs. Um, at the moment I have, um, his name's Otis. Okay, and he is half, um, poodle with a golden retriever.

• 38:24Speaker 06

  Bloody hell.

• 38:24Jessie Ware?

  What are they called then?

• 38:26Speaker 07

  Golden Pooh or Gold, uh.

• 38:27Speaker 06

  Golden Pooh.

• 38:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, and he's just.

• 38:30Speaker 06

  Is he big or small?

• 38:31Speaker 07

  He's a medium mish.

• 38:33Speaker 06

  And his coat, is it?

• 38:35Speaker 07

  It's, it's poodle-ish, but it's sort of like he's got my colour hair.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 07

  He's the nicest energy that I've ever like experienced in an animal.

• 38:44Speaker 06

  And do you walk him every day?

• 38:45Speaker 07

  Yes, it pretty much. I'll let him run out. He's just amazing. And then I have a little dog called Daisy from Battersea. And she's just like, she's just like a worrying Wendy. She's like, she's a little bit.

• 39:00Jessie Ware?

  How old was she, how old was she when you?

• 39:02Speaker 07

  Um, she was very, very young, but they had to keep her a little bit. She'd been overbred. But she's.

• 39:08Speaker 06

  So what sort of she?

• 39:09Speaker 07

  I think she's a hmm, maybe Maltese Shih Tzu, something, I can't tell.

• 39:13Speaker 06

  And does she love Otis?

• 39:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's woken her up a little bit. She'll be more playful, so that's really nice. And then I've got some. Goats, horses and uh donkeys and fish.

• 39:29Jessie Ware?

  So what kind of fish have you got?

• 39:31Speaker 07

  Um they are tropical fish, actually, and I can't remember their names, like tiger fish. I'll tell you what, one of them is like the one out of Nemo. The black one with a white stripe in the tank. Um but then I ta- I also got these ones that eat their algae up the side of the. Up the, you know.

• 39:50Speaker 07

  The tanks, that's quite useful. But I find them quite relaxing to have.

• 39:53Jessie Ware?

  Where are they in your?

• 39:58Speaker 06

  If they're nice fish tanks, they're a bit like lava lamps, aren't they?

• 40:05Jessie Ware?

  I wanted to talk about whether you still. Do, well, you called it, it was in your documentary and you called it cosmic shopping at the time. Which I think is almost like manifestations. It maybe we didn't have that word when you were making the documentary.

• 40:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:22Jessie Ware?

  There's a bit in the documentary where you're looking at a photo of your dad.

• 40:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:26Jessie Ware?

  And you tell the documentary maker, what's her name, Molly?

• 40:29Speaker 06

  Molly Dunne.

• 40:31Speaker 07

  And you really did your research then. Did you watch that then?

• 40:34Jessie Ware?

  I I I rewatched it, yeah. Um and but in the back. In the back, you've done these letters.

• 40:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:41Jessie Ware?

  You're always writing letters in that documentary, Jerry. And um to the Prince Charles and and but um I love it.

• 40:48Speaker 06

  Is he still a pal?

• 40:50Speaker 07

  I saw him, well, I saw him yesterday at the. Yeah, I saw him at the um the Abbey and it was the Commonwealth.

• 40:57Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, and you were invited.

• 41:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was amazing. And that's a really like unifying, you know, all the countries coming together. It's brilliant.

• 41:05Jessie Ware?

  But the cosmic shopping, you talk about it and um and it's kind of making. Manifestations, desires, what's gonna happen, you speak and you're like, I am happy, I am.

• 41:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:16Jessie Ware?

  You know, going to reach and and it and I thought it was completely charming and beautiful and optimistic and. And it was based on a book that you read. What was, do you remember the book that you read?

• 41:27Speaker 07

  Remember the name of the book.

• 41:28Jessie Ware?

  But I just wanted to know whether you still do cosmic shopping.

• 41:31Speaker 07

  I think if you visualize, I'm definitely visualize things and um I think we all do, we have in our thinking, you know. Whatever's going on, we are thinking as we speak, with no matter what.

• 41:43Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 07

  Consciousness, we're thinking and it's up to us whether they're gonna be positive or.

• 41:48Jessie Ware?

  But I do, I.

• 41:49Speaker 07

  That thinking, yes, but you're creative, so you visualize it before, you know, before you paint or you're sing. Um, we always visualize.

• 41:58Jessie Ware?

  But there's like a determination in you, Jerry, that can't like speaks and it like it it sings out and I do find it really amazing. I also love the fact that you were like, I'm gonna, were you married to George Michael in one of the, in in one of the um letters?

• 42:12Speaker 07

  Properly.

• 42:13Jessie Ware?

  But then you even say, you're like, well, we're not married, but we are friends.

• 42:16Speaker 07

  Yes, we can, we can get married, but, yeah.

• 42:19Jessie Ware?

  Did he ever cook for you? You lived with him for a few months, didn't you?

• 42:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's, I was just talking about him, he he was an amazing force in my life. Yeah, I I lived with him many times in my life and uh. Yeah, we'd always, we'd we'd get takeaways together and, you know, watch movies and we were always going out to dinner. But we had our own special restaurant we'd go to, which was really nice, it was like an Italian.

• 42:49Jessie Ware?

  Was it in North.

• 42:50Speaker 06

  In Hampstead.

• 42:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:51Speaker 06

  I know the one.

• 42:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, so that was really nice, that was our special.

• 42:55Speaker 06

  It's an old fashioned one.

• 42:56Speaker 07

  Very traditional, yeah, so I quite like that, I suppose I'm quite.

• 43:01Speaker 06

  Do you like Italian food?

• 43:03Speaker 07

  I love Italian food.

• 43:04Jessie Ware?

  And my, George did.

• 43:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:06Jessie Ware?

  Spanish food, do you eat a lot of Spain, do you go to Spain a lot?

• 43:09Speaker 07

  I haven't been to Spain for a while, um, Spanish food, it's okay, I mean, they've got good chips.

• 43:18Speaker 06

  Oh, Jerry, you're so naughty. I love their breakfasts.

• 43:22Speaker 07

  What was this?

• 43:23Jessie Ware?

  The pan con tomate.

• 43:24Speaker 06

  Con tomate, you know, you get the bread and you get that lovely kind of paste made of fresh tomatoes and you put olive oil on the tomato.

• 43:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 06

  I don't eat pork, but I look at Iberico pork and I think it looks amazing.

• 43:38Speaker 07

  They eat snails.

• 43:40Speaker 06

  Do they? No, I wouldn't be eating snails.

• 43:42Speaker 07

  My grandmother cooked the snails, I used to have, um, maybe that's why I'm a bit put off, but I used to have, I used to collect snails as pets. Like with Peter and Paul and I had this whole tray.

• 43:54Jessie Ware?

  Peter and Paul.

• 43:55Speaker 07

  Peter and Paul.

• 43:55Jessie Ware?

  What, were they the names?

• 43:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, these snails.

• 43:58Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 43:59Speaker 07

  In this tray.

• 44:00Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 44:00Speaker 07

  And I had, you know, plants and, you know, soil, it was their land, so I was really into snails, right? And, and then one day I went to see my grandmother in Spain, she said, oh, you, uh, she's go out and can like some snails. And I was like, oh, my god, absolutely, to go and collect these little snails, I'm feeling really excited, I've got loads of snails, I'm gonna keep them a little. My, my grandmother cooked the snails.

• 44:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 44:24Speaker 07

  And then the next thing I looked up, they were strung up in a, like a net, all, like, cooked. So I was like, oh.

• 44:31Jessie Ware?

  That's a sad memory.

• 44:32Speaker 07

  That's a sad memory of snails cooked.

• 44:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh, no.

• 44:38Speaker 06

  Cut you off your spaniel.

• 44:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, there you go, that explains it all, doesn't it?

• 44:41Jessie Ware?

  Before, yeah, yeah, would you like a little sweet something?

• 44:44Speaker 07

  It depends what you've got.

• 44:46Jessie Ware?

  Well, it, oh, god, you're a great guest, Jerry. Eight before, you're not gonna have a bloody gluten free biscuit.

• 44:53Speaker 06

  I made some gluten free biscuits.

• 44:55Speaker 07

  Oh, my god, of course.

• 44:57Speaker 06

  But also, Jessie, can you put that into a bowl?

• 44:59Speaker 07

  So nice, I'll take one home with me as well.

• 45:02Speaker 06

  You can take more than one. Can you put it in a bowl, darling?

• 45:05Speaker 07

  So much, I just have the biscuit, that's so nice.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  I made, I've made rhubarb, cause it's seasonal.

• 45:10Speaker 07

  Did you? Oh, my god, that's so good.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  Because of ginger spice.

• 45:14Speaker 07

  I love the rhu- oh, my goodness, rhubarb, such, that gives me, isn't it funny how food gives you memories? Like, I always remember rhubarb yogurt, look at this, for everyone at home, cause they can't see it. It's rhubarb and it's beautiful and it's like beautiful pink.

• 45:32Jessie Ware?

  Oh, would you like another cup of tea?

• 45:34Speaker 07

  I'd love one, thank you, that's really kind.

• 45:35Jessie Ware?

  That's coconut cream, we need both, darling.

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Look at this, that's looks so nice. That looks really good.

• 45:42Jessie Ware?

  Um, good.

• 45:43Speaker 07

  The biscuits look delicious.

• 45:44Jessie Ware?

  They're light as a feather.

• 45:46Speaker 07

  They look like, what's they call those baby breasts? This is totally my cup of tea, thank you so much for making such an effort.

• 45:56Speaker 06

  Could you taste the ginger?

• 45:57Speaker 07

  I could actually, now you say, yeah, I could taste it and I, I couldn't identify it first, I was like, okay, it makes it a little bit more.

• 46:06Speaker 07

  It's got bite to it, a little bit more.

• 46:08Jessie Ware?

  It's really nice .

• 46:09Speaker 06

  The ginger.

• 46:10Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I've just had like slices of it, it's delicious.

• 46:13Speaker 06

  Mm, it's very good for you as well.

• 46:15Jessie Ware?

  Is it? Why?

• 46:17Speaker 06

  So ginger's good for you.

• 46:18Speaker 07

  Ginger is totally good for you.

• 46:20Jessie Ware?

  Do you, do you cook with ginger a lot?

• 46:22Speaker 07

  I put it in like in a tea. And I read that gingers, we have a different pain threshold.

• 46:30Jessie Ware?

  Are you actually ginger, Jerry?

• 46:34Jessie Ware?

  I'm not being funny, no, I just wanted to know .

• 46:39Speaker 07

  My mother.

• 46:40Speaker 06

  You go less ginger as you get older, don't you?

• 46:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'll show you.

• 46:44Jessie Ware?

  So, so gingers have a, a higher ph- pain.

• 46:46Speaker 07

  I'm gonna show you this, yeah, this is me.

• 46:49Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, you're, you're ginger.

• 46:50Speaker 06

  Oh, wow, sweet .

• 46:52Speaker 07

  If you look at my brother and sister, he's bright blonde, my sister's really dark. And then I'm like red, but you know, it's always change, it's not a bright screaming red. But no matter what, I always end up with a sort of little auburn. Um, but no, I read that the other day, that, that we have a different pain threshold and also we don't go grey as much. Which is interesting, I was like, oh, okay.

• 47:14Speaker 06

  Lucky.

• 47:15Speaker 07

  This is really good, this does like, this is really nice.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  You can take them home, darling.

• 47:20Speaker 07

  This is really good, I'm now eating what looks like a folly's rask, but it tastes delicious .

• 47:26Speaker 06

  Almonds.

• 47:27Speaker 07

  It's delicious . This is so my cup of tea. This is really nice. This is like, it tastes like happiness.

• 47:36Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 47:37Speaker 07

  I love you, Jerry .

• 47:38Speaker 06

  I do as well, you describe things really well, that's why you're a writer, probably .

• 47:44Jessie Ware?

  Jerry, you just were talking about the rhubarb and it reminding you. And isn't it funny, we always ask our guests what a nostalgic taste that can transport them back somewhere .

• 47:54Speaker 07

  True, it's like perfume, isn't it? When you smell like a certain perfume, you get transported back.

• 47:59Speaker 06

  Or it reminds you of someone.

• 48:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, totally, and food does the same thing, isn't it? God, that's such a good question, what food really takes me somewhere?

• 48:08Jessie Ware?

  Or a smell or.

• 48:10Speaker 07

  For me, like, I'd love a cup of tea on a sandy beach. On the beach on Devon.

• 48:17Jessie Ware?

  You know, it's cold, you know, the the sun is shining, that that tea is warming you up. When was the last time you were in Devon with a cup of tea in hand on the beach? I was there in October. I like winter. Okay, winter. Beach, I think it's gorgeous. Seaside. I think it's beautiful. I I think English seaside is fantastic. What do you always have in your fridge that you couldn't do without? Well, my son likes barbecue sauce. I I am, yeah, I'm yielding to that. So I think that's quite adventurous, chicken nuggets with barbecue sauce. I'm really slaying, aren't I?

• 48:56Jessie Ware?

  I think you are slaying, actually. Jerry, I think you're brilliant and I think it's been such a pleasure to meet you. Oh, thank you so much. Really nice. And just your, I don't know, I feel like I've grown up with you. And you feel exactly the same as what we saw on the telly or on, which is so lovely. And in in fact, even warmer and more gorgeous and and and generous, but it's um, it's a total joy to meet you and listen to you talking about Rosie Frost. And and thanks for being on the table, my love. Oh, thank you very much for having me and thank you for cooking. It's beautiful.

• 49:43Jessie Ware?

  Well, Jerry Halliwell Horner fed my bloody cat. Fish from the table. So thank you, Jerry. Um, thank you, Jerry, for coming on the podcast. Um, so warm. Really lovely woman. Said to me, good luck with everything. And like, she took a picture of my sofa. She said she liked it. She liked the colour of it. Okay, good. So I'd like to say. Do you go in your sitting room to have a quick? She snoops around. She went, sorry, can I do, can I ask where you got that sofa from? And oh, I like the colour of that. She took pictures. Love it. She probably, yeah. Maybe I'll be her interior designer. Maybe she's looking for your execution block. Um, Jerry Halliwell Horner on.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  A, a, a complete icon and legend.

• 50:27Jessie Ware?

  Totally, and so passionate, and I can't wait to read Rosie Frost.

• 50:34Speaker 06

  Me neither.

• 50:34Jessie Ware?

  Um, with my daughter. I think I may start performing it tonight like I have done with others.

• 50:39Speaker 06

  Good.

• 50:40Jessie Ware?

  Um.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  Delicious salmon.

• 50:42Jessie Ware?

  Do you think?

• 50:43Speaker 06

  Delicious. I think, I was, I, I've got people for dinner on Friday and I thought I was going to do prawns with ginger.

• 50:49Jessie Ware?

  And now you're going to do the Alison Roman.

• 50:51Speaker 06

  Which, is that in Nothing Fancy?

• 50:53Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's so straightforward as well.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  So straightforward, that's what I'm going for, straightforward salad and potatoes.

• 50:59Jessie Ware?

  My potatoes were nice.

• 51:00Speaker 06

  Very delicious. How long were they in for?

• 51:03Jessie Ware?

  I kind of did them on a high, well, parboiled them and smashed them. High heat for about twenty minutes and then just kind of slow.

• 51:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, did, so you left them in while you cooked the salmon?

• 51:14Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 06

  Okay, fine.

• 51:15Jessie Ware?

  Those, um, almond.

• 51:17Speaker 06

  Did you like them?

• 51:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, they feel like paceh, um, like Passover cookies, don't they?

• 51:21Speaker 06

  They've got no flour in them.

• 51:22Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, but really, really nice. And actually, I found custard in the fridge, so I just had rhubarb and custard in it.

• 51:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:27Jessie Ware?

  It's just the greatest combo.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  Can I say, I'm quite proud of my rhubarb.

• 51:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, how did you do that? Because it was, it was firm.

• 51:34Speaker 06

  I roasted it with some orange juice and some stem ginger.

• 51:40Jessie Ware?

  Yarns.

• 51:40Speaker 06

  And the, the syrup that comes from the stem ginger, and a slice of stem ginger and roast it for twenty minutes.

• 51:45Jessie Ware?

  Mum, it's so good because sometimes it just goes sloppy and sad.

• 51:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's good.

• 51:49Jessie Ware?

  I'm going to have that in porridge tomorrow. Good. Um, thank you to Jerry Halliwell Horner for coming on. Rosie Frost Ice and Fire is out now, so go and give it a li, um, read or a listen on audiobook and you can hear one of Jerry's, uh, original songs, actually, in the audiobook. And we'll see you next week.

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