Doug Demuro

It's Doug Demuro's annual Christmas visit! And boy did we have a lot to talk about. Topics include but are certainly not limited to: Doug's incredible theory on advertising Update on Doug's Countach Matt's Missing Lamborghini Parts Cars they regret missing out on What MG's new EV means for the brand The reliability of Doug's Ford GT Why Doug bought a new Toyota Land Cruiser Where YouTube is heading Why Doug doesn't go on press launches Stradman's house TikTok and influencers Jay Leno's famous 2024 fall Q&A speed round And more! Recorded December 10, 2024 Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Exclusive $35-off Carver Mat at https://www. AuraFrames.com. Use code TIRE at checkout to save! New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! Enter code TSTPOD for a 10% discount on your first case on the Off The Record app, or go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Tweet at us! https://www. Twitter.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Twitter.com/zackklapman Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:41Matt Farah?

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• 1:26Matt Farah?

  He only comes up here to do this program because it's good friggin' radio. We are going to go round the world with Doug DeMuro in two hours and 40 minutes of podcasting. Let's get to it. Welcome to the Smoking Tire. That is a great photo.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Look at that Ford GT.

• 1:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I was thinking about the size of that Joshua tree. It is big. The big fucking Joshua tree.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  Is that a Joshua tree?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55Matt Farah?

  It is, right?

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  The knife tree.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  It's not like a mini pine, right?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  No. Those are the leaves that, they look like Edward Scissorhands.

• 2:01Matt Farah?

  Is he a tree expert?

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Okay. Are we doing this? Do we like do this?

• 2:05Matt Farah?

  I like, I, sometimes I know a lot about trees. It just depends on which kind of trees.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  Woo!

• 2:10Speaker 01

  That is a marijuana reference.

• 2:11Matt Farah?

  That is a fucking weed joke, which, uh, listen, now that I see your current hairstyle, you should understand. You, you're now the guy who understands weed jokes.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  I'm experimenting. Can you come do this with me?

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  I like Beard Doug. Beard Doug is okay.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:26Matt Farah?

  The beard Doug, your hair is getting lighter. It's not going gray, but like, did you, did you like,

• 2:26Matt Farah?

  It's good.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  put sun in, in your hair?

• 2:32Speaker 01

  No, my hair, this has always been my hair.

• 2:34Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I think the top of your, I think the top of your hair is lighter, isn't it?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  He's crazy!

• 2:38Matt Farah?

  This hair not lighter?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Uh, well, it's under the lights. I don't know. I think it's longer. I feel like your hair's longer.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  That light lights my hair.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  I don't know, but you, you really, you, your hair looks like someone who uses the word summer as a verb and...

• 2:51Speaker 02

  I think he just has a brighter disposition and because he's driving around in his Countach.

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  Right, here we are. Do you understand how the studio works now?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Is there anything that I should know before?

• 3:00Matt Farah?

  No. Are you okay with the chair?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  It's great.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  It's a good chair. I'm really excited to hear about your chair.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Oh, the heated massage chair? We gotta build it first, though.

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Oh, is it some assembly required?

• 3:11Speaker 02

  I hate that shit. I hate building stuff.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Hire a TaskRabbit to do all that.

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  Do you, have you ever had?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Four minutes.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  A chair is pretty easy. You pop the wheels in, you pop the things together.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  I gotta unscrew the thing, move it over four inches.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Fair point.

• 3:25Matt Farah?

  Chairs are held together by gravity.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  I'll move the mic in a second. I got the tools at home.

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  Like, unlike an Ikea end table?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  They're held together by gravity.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  A chair, a desk chair is held together by gravity. You put the wheels in, you put the top on, and then gravity just keeps that shit together.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Yes. And that's why you can never separate them to, to move.

• 3:41Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  You'll never undo that.

• 3:42Matt Farah?

  No, it's no good. Uh, annual Doug show, here we are.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Here we are.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  Welcome, welcome back.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  We're doing it, this is it?

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  This is it. We're in, we're in the radio. We're in the radio.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  This is my favorite time of year.

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  It is. Why? Cause the ad rates are real high?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's Christmas.

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  You like Christmas.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  When I come here to do this show, it's Christmas.

• 4:04Matt Farah?

  It is, it, it's Christmas for us, too.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  I put up my-

• 4:06Matt Farah?

  The ratings!

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Right. I put up my inflatable hollow Christmas decorations yesterday, and now I'm here, and that's, that makes it Christmas.

• 4:14Matt Farah?

  What does Doug's house look like on Christmas?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Okay, you know I got that dog?

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  He, there's a-

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Noodles.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Noodle, yep. There's an inflatable one they sell that he's wearing a Santa hat, and it's like nine feet tall, and that's my only decoration.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  Just a giant dog on the front yard?

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  Nice. Nice. I, I, my wife really is pushing the Christmas lights. She wants to do the light up our house.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  It's nice. I think it looks nice.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Speaking of your wife, loved the spread in Venice living.

• 4:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. You know how much business, you know how much business Venice living got us? Fucking this. That much business.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  You know what I love about this podcast is you have no problem with calling out people who have not been better. Like, I am very careful about that. I'm very scared to like, if I went on Venice, went in Venice Living, and, "Oh, you know, it was a lovely experience."

• 5:04Matt Farah?

  It was a lovely experience until we got no business from it. And then I was like, "Well, that wasn't worth our time."

• 5:09Speaker 01

  What if someone from Venice Living is watching? You don't care about that?

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  I know for a fact they're not.

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  Not the first time.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you something. I loved the sn-.

• 5:17Matt Farah?

  It's spread. It's not the wor- because it didn't cost anything. That was editorial.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  That was editorial. They came to you.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  We'd like to put you on the cover.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  They came to you. They said, "We want you in Venice Living."

• 5:26Matt Farah?

  Every other bit of print I've ever bought to promote this business. I bought a full-page ad in Hagerty Magazine. All the money. Fucking goose egg. Zero. I bought, I bought a couple ads in those, you know, those circulars that you get for people, for like contractors and shit, if you want to renovate your house. We figured, we were like, because we get people who are like, "I'm renovating my house. I need to get the cars out of the garage," right? So I was like, "Oh, that's where..." No. Goose egg. Zero.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  So where do you get people coming in?

• 5:59Matt Farah?

  Google Maps, number one by far.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  The Smoking Tire, number two by far.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  Outside of that, any other dollars spent on anything, I just, it's lit on fire.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Should we advertise Venice Living on The Smoking Tire to help them?

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Venice Living.

• 6:14Matt Farah?

  It'll be a circle.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  It'll be a circle. Venice Living, a fine.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  It'll be the.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Living publication.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  It'll be the Ouroboros of not making money.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  They gotta pay you, though. Can I tell you a theory I have about advertising?

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  Yes, please.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  I think that you can't just advertise once. I think you have to like, build that up. So like, for instance, Stradman, who I hope we talk about dearly on this show.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  What a breakthrough theory. Wait, you mean. repeating the same commercial or advertisement more than once.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Many, many, many times.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  So he's like, oh, we advertise in the circular, we advertise. No dude, you gotta hit it over and over and over. So people are like, oh, that thing. Stradman.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  You're 100% right.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Who I am, am, am interested in as a person. He advertises for Simply Safe.

• 6:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  And he does it in every video to the point where Stradman is the Simply Safe guy. And I gotta tell you something, when it came time for an alarm system for our business, I'm like, you know, these two seem the same.

• 7:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  But Stradman does one of them.

• 7:11Matt Farah?

  You are 100% right that repetition is the move. You're 100% right, um, that, that if you, content creator, or me, content creator, can hook a deal like that for a title sponsorship.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:27Matt Farah?

  We should do it.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:28Matt Farah?

  It's better for the.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  But don't you think it helps?

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Don't you think Stradman's sitting there counting his riches? And also, Simply Safe is sitting there counting their riches?

• 7:35Matt Farah?

  The sponsors that pay us over time, the most amount of money.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  Are the sponsors that have stuck with us for years and years and years. And they're also the sponsors that get the best returns from their investment by a lot.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  You need to go and do another spread in Venice Living. You gotta get them, you gotta get them to do another thing about you guys.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Every month should just be me and my lifts on the cover.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  That's right. Like Oprah magazine, except you're, it's you.

• 8:00Matt Farah?

  Oh man, or like, uh, do you remember Vantage? Aston Martin's magazine.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  Every, James Bond on the cover, every issue, dude. Every issue.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  That's what they got.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  How many issues could they do?

• 8:10Speaker 01

  That's what they got.

• 8:11Matt Farah?

  I got that magazine for years. As an Aston Martin owner, you get, you just get it. I got it for years.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  But there's only so many James Bond movies.

• 8:18Matt Farah?

  They eventually canceled, uh, canceled it. They don't, they don't do it anymore. I don't know, maybe they do. Well, I don't know.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  We'll click on that most recent one.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  It says, uh, Victor.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  21.

• 8:28Matt Farah?

  Versus Muncher.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  June of 21.

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  21, yeah. So not, not great. Uh, Muncher, what a great name. Was that car called the Muncher?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Well, this one's not called the Victor.

• 8:39Matt Farah?

  Well, the new one is the Victor.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  No, the new one is the, is the Valor.

• 8:42Matt Farah?

  No, no, but the Vic, there's also the Victor.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Oh, there was, I forgot about that.

• 8:46Matt Farah?

  And then the Valor is the sort of production job.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Right, you're right.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  They're running out of fucking Vs, is what I'm saying.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Well, they should go back to using some of their historical names, such as Muncher.

• 8:59Matt Farah?

  Muncher is-

• 9:00Speaker 02

  The Michael Douglas.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  Muncher is the best car name of all time, I think.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. It's certainly interesting.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And if someone's driving, is that, then it's muncher by proxy and then it becomes all kinds of-

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Um, how are, how are, how are things going here at the Smoking Tire? You got stuff going on? You got cars?

• 9:18Matt Farah?

  We park cars, that's what we're doing.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  You should see all the cars. Can I, do I talk to this camera?

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  You can talk to-

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Do I want to talk to the people?

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Yes, that's your camera.

• 9:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  You should see all the cars here. Folks, if you haven't gotten your car into West Side Collective Car Storage, you may never. Or maybe you can't. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  We're sold out.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  We're sold out.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Thanks to Venice Living, we're sold out.

• 9:35Matt Farah?

  Thanks to the- And, uh, what was the other one? Top Pros. Top Pros Magazine, which is where- That's where you find, you know, people to redo your kitchen and whatever.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Okay, got it. I'm just saying, you gotta get out there more. You also should think about a Super Bowl commercial.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  But those only happened once, though. You were saying repeat advertising is the, is the way to do it.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  That's an interesting point. You need to advertise during the entire NFL season.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  You know the, the single best day of work I've ever done in my life, Doug? It was a Super Bowl commercial.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  You did a Super Bowl commercial?

• 10:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I was on a fake reality show that was the first ever Hulu original programming show. Called the Ford Focus Rally. And it was the Amazing Race, but in power shift automatic-equipped Ford Focuses. And that was it. And it was a-

• 10:20Speaker 01

  There were celebrities on this, too?

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  No. There were not celebrities.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Who else was on it?

• 10:24Matt Farah?

  Other people who were very, like, early-level influencer types were, were on it.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Like yourself?

• 10:34Matt Farah?

  Like myself. And, I mean, we're starting, this is 2011.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  So this was, this was back then.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Wait, Hulu existed back then?

• 10:40Matt Farah?

  It was the first ever Hulu show.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 10:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  I thought Hulu was like, yesterday.

• 10:44Matt Farah?

  No, Hulu started to do, uh, to be like, the place, the place where you would, uh- You would go to like watch TV after TV, well you know what I mean? Like they had like NBC and shit and then they decided to do original stuff. Anyway, we, yeah, Focus Rally America, there's the fucking dumbass show. Although Johnny Mosley, who was the host, the skier.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Oh, he's awesome.

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  He was awesome. He was cool as shit. I love Johnny Mosley.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Were you getting paid for this?

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  I got paid a very small amount of money to do the show.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:14Matt Farah?

  But I got paid union rates for doing the Super Bowl commercial for the show.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  So what was this? Oh, because this show was being promoted in the Super Bowl.

• 11:22Matt Farah?

  It was the, it was the commercial right before kickoff.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Team Red Candy, that was you.

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  Yep, Red Candy, me and Brittany Boddington, Red Candy.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 11:28Matt Farah?

  And, uh, point is, they, not only did they fucking pay out big for the Super Bowl commercial, for the one day of work, I got residuals. They ran that motherfucker for three years. So I showed up for one day of work.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  The show was on for three years?

• 11:43Matt Farah?

  No, the, I'm sorry, the commercial, they ran the commercial.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  But they were running the commercial even after the show?

• 11:48Matt Farah?

  Did I say years? Months. They ran for three months.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  So every month for the whole quarter, he was getting checks? How much?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  That's three.

• 11:54Matt Farah?

  The one, the one day of work probably turned out to be about fifteen thousand dollars.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  No way!

• 11:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for showing up for one day.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Did all these people get, do this?

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  As far as I know.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Did John Jung get residuals?

• 12:05Matt Farah?

  As far as I know.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  What about Donna Ruko? Do we know any of these people anymore?

• 12:09Matt Farah?

  Uh...

• 12:10Speaker 02

  They live next to you.

• 12:11Matt Farah?

  I haven't looked at their names in, in quite a long time.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  They're gonna write in and be like, "I'm an editor for Venice Living."

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Well, none of them have photos on IMDb except for Johnny and then two people at the top.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Adam and Clayton were like actors, that's why they... I don't know, I should have a fucking IMDb.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  You have done stuff.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  Apparently.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  May I tell, you know, I did a commercial one time?

• 12:31Matt Farah?

  Did?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  For Audi.

• 12:33Matt Farah?

  You did?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  You know this story?

• 12:34Matt Farah?

  No.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Okay, here's a great story for you. Many years ago, I did a commercial for Audi. I had an RS2 and they wanted the RS2 and the RS6 in the same commercial.

• 12:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, right, okay.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  In my portion of the commercial, there was a water balloon fight.

• 12:46Matt Farah?

  Dude, I do remember the water balloons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, keep going. Yeah, yeah.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  The, we did the commercial. During the filming of the commercial, we, they broke my windshield of the RS2. They were throwing water balloons at it and it cracked. The commercial, we found a replacement windshield in San Diego on a shelf. We put it in the next day for 200 bucks.

• 13:04Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  I was like, okay, that's fine. The, um, commercial went up for one day and then Audi killed it and took it completely off the internet.

• 13:12Matt Farah?

  No way. They were like, this has gone very badly. Let's make it disappear forever.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  I don't know why too. I thought the commercial was pretty good.

• 13:19Matt Farah?

  Funny, I don't know. No copy for you?

• 13:21Speaker 01

  No, I don't think, I don't think, maybe somebody took one of those, you know, but I have absolutely no idea.

• 13:26Matt Farah?

  Someone took a cellphone video. Your mom, your mom videoed the TV.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  I don't even think it was too quick for even my mom. It was up and gone.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  The guy that leaked the aliens flying over that military base, he has the video.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's real shit. Um, stuff.

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  Now let's talk about you. We can talk about, we can talk about me and my commercials later. We've got, you've got, uh, you're driving your Countach.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  I want to talk Countach's. Very.

• 13:47Matt Farah?

  So yours first, cause you're the goddamn guest.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  There's a few things I want to talk about on this show.

• 13:51Matt Farah?

  Okay, your list.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  The Countach is one of them. There's others though.

• 13:54Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  But let's start with the Countach. Um, cause this, basically everything I'm gonna talk to you about is stuff my friends were like, oh, you're going with that? You gotta ask them about this. My friends are all obsessed. They don't care about me. They don't watch any of my stuff.

• 14:05Matt Farah?

  I don't either.

• 14:08Matt Farah?

  I don't, if I want to know what you have to think, I'll text you.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Dude, that is actually one of the most annoying things. I get texts from like my neighbors, like, hey, what do you think of the Volvo EX90? And I send them the video. And they're like, yeah, but what do you really think? What I really think is in the video. You, what do you, what do you think this is?

• 14:22Matt Farah?

  No, no, that's, the translation of what do you really think means Cliff Notes me. That's what, it means I don't want to watch the video. It doesn't mean I don't trust you. I do exactly the same thing.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  You're trying to buy the car, watch the video, do it on 2X speed, you'll get through it in 12 minutes and you'll learn where the funnel is to put in the windshield washer fluid. But anyway.

• 14:38Matt Farah?

  We did not like the EX90.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  You didn't like it?

• 14:40Matt Farah?

  No.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  I'm gonna name it my car of the year. Spoiler. Why didn't you like it?

• 14:43Matt Farah?

  Fuck outta here.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  What was wrong with it? What didn't you like about it? The comfort, the beautiful styling, the excellent technology? The fact that it's built in America?

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  It had nothing to do with any of those things. It had to do with, a lot of the technology didn't work properly.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  That's why.

• 14:56Matt Farah?

  Is why we didn't like it.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  That's why.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Technology is-

• 14:58Matt Farah?

  And the stuff that didn't work properly couldn't even be turned off, so it would shut the fuck up.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  And the stuff they're excited about is the stuff that didn't work.

• 15:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the light are.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  A big problem. The light are, but also the automatic lane change didn't work.

• 15:09Matt Farah?

  The lane keep, the lane change was really bad. Their ADAS is straight garbage.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Technology is one of those things that they're working on.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  How about this? You work-

• 15:19Speaker 02

  So you give it your, give it your award Car of the Year eventually when you finish working on the thing?

• 15:24Speaker 01

  They promised me that the steering wheel will turn the wheels in the second quarter.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  So you're giving Car of the Year based on IOU?

• 15:32Matt Farah?

  Bro, this is a problem. Where we've just, what we're just described is a problem.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something, I drove this Ghently here today, the Apple CarPlay quit halfway through, and you know what happened? I got on the 405 then, like 40 minutes out of Apple CarPlay not working. I got on the 405 and I switched the screen to that display where it just shows the-

• 15:47Matt Farah?

  I love it, the three gauges.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  You know what, if I'm not getting the screen, I'm just gonna see the gauge.

• 15:50Matt Farah?

  It's great.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  I think Apple CarPlay or Apple has an update due because, uh, Apple CarPlay turned off in the Ineos two days ago. It turned off in Sarah's RAV4 yesterday. Like, it seems like it's happening across platforms where it just shuts down.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  And then if you have to like restart your MMI or the car, and then it's fine. And it's an issue, cause I looked up, oh, is this a Toyota update? People were reporting this a year ago, like in different cars.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  In my Sequoia, I drove cross-country this summer and back, Apple CarPlay the whole time, so 7,000 miles. And it happened once on the way there and twice on the way back. But, I was able to just go back through the menu and get it running back again.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Like, I didn't have to turn off the car or the phone.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  No, it depends on the car. Like Sarah's car, you can just hold down the volume button, it turns, it resets the screen.

• 16:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is such a great discovery.

• 16:34Matt Farah?

  You learned that by reading the user manual?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  No, I just tried it.

• 16:36Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not reading that thing. But Ineos didn't do it.

• 16:40Matt Farah?

  Alright, but-

• 16:40Speaker 01

  He wants to text the user manual and say, "What did you really think?"

• 16:43Speaker 02

  I text the engineer, "Yeah, but what do you really think about this button?"

• 16:46Matt Farah?

  But it brings up a problem that we experienced with Volvo. I just experienced the same problem with Cadillac. Uh, or shades of the same problem, which is- Car launches, like we were on with Volvo, or press launches, or cars going out to journalists.

• 17:03Matt Farah?

  They're sending out cars that aren't finished.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  But you know what I think it is, I truly, truly think, like Tesla started this game when they just would release stuff like right when it was done.

• 17:10Matt Farah?

  And this is good for society.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  People loved it, right? People were like, "I'm happy to be a test driver," and now these automakers are under so much pressure to get stuff out quickly because you fall behind fast if you don't. And so, and they've also kind of realized that some of these automakers do that and don't really get penalized for it. When we were kids, the consumer guide would be like, "The Hundra does not do whatever," and they would really get into it if the car was unreliable. But now, it's almost like a, "Well, it's unreliable, but that's because you're a test driver." The update will change that, and then Fisker goes out of business and my ocean is worth 6 grand.

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  Let me tell you what, if you want me to beta test your shit, I'm not paying you for that privilege, motherfucker.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  People are though. The thing is, people are. You may not be.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  You know who does? People in a cult.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  People in a cult will pay you for things you should be paying them to do. People do this for, EX90 people are gonna buy that thing to be the first EX90. Fisker, Fisker Ocean. People over this. I saw a VinFest on the way here. Are you wearing VinFest sandals?

• 18:07Matt Farah?

  There's a VinFest in my neighborhood, and I just go, "Ugh."

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Do you know what they cost?

• 18:11Matt Farah?

  Like $85 a month or something.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Zero down, $199 a month.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Do you know what they were?

• 18:15Matt Farah?

  I might buy one for that, for $199 a month.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  When they first arrived here, the MSRP on those was like $60 to $75,000. It was super high, and then no one bought them. I think they have come down a lot.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  They're heavily incentivized. I will say, you guys all reviewed. They never let me review the Gen 1 VinFest.

• 18:31Matt Farah?

  I never drove it.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  They sent me a Gen 2, the updated one. I thought it was fine. It was boring as hell. It's not a special car, but it was, the infotainment was not glitchy. Yeah, it was no different from like a Nissan Rogue or any other boring car. And I was actually surprised at all the hate that car got. In fact, I'm doing my end of year list of video, and it's gonna be one of my biggest surprises of the year. Because I went into it thinking it would be utter trash, and it was merely mediocre. But that's kind of what they're going, I don't think they're trying to make a special car, right? Trying to make a mediocre crossover. And it zeroed down in $199 a month?

• 19:01Matt Farah?

  Wow, that's compelling.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  I'll take a mediocre crossover.

• 19:03Matt Farah?

  That is compelling.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  But to in order to instead of in order in order to get people to buy it if you have to incentivize it that heavily is not a good situation.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  If it works for two years, that's pretty good.

• 19:13Matt Farah?

  The uh the Fisker they sent me was was worse than most people are saying about it. It was really, really bad.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  You know, the one I reviewed was a customer who sold it on the site and it was fine. It had one or two little glitches, but I thought it was it looked cool. It had cool tech. If that company had worked and the car had worked, it would have been really cool.

• 19:31Matt Farah?

  No, the idea of the car wasn't bad. It was that it left me stranded three times in 12 hours. That was really the problem with that particular.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Technology is something that they're working on.

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  That's like was like settled science. Like it had a fob and it wouldn't detect the fob. And it's like, yo, they've been doing this for 20 years.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Okay, Keith, speaking of fobs, we gotta get back to the Countach, which I brought up as a topic, but I gotta talk to you about key fobs because I have a hilarious one for you. My video today went up with the MG Cyberster.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, get the fuck out of here.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Which is a Chinese automobile. It's manufactured in China.

• 20:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you drive it?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  I drove it in America with the sketchiest temporary plates.

• 20:06Matt Farah?

  I don't know anything.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  A cop pulled up at one point. He's like, what's your review in there? I'm like, nothing. It's a Honda. Get the hell out of here.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Anyway, MG Cyberster, which is this vehicle here.

• 20:15Matt Farah?

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• 20:56Matt Farah?

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• 21:17Speaker 02

  We did. It was fairly simple and we were able to give my mom this frame that just played wedding photos for her.

• 21:25Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  And we can add the photos, we can take them away, and we gave her access on the app and she can do it. She's text heavy enough to do that. But we were able to just curate this thing instead of printing a photo album that will sit on a table or any of that stuff. It's way better.

• 21:37Matt Farah?

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• 22:20Matt Farah?

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• 22:31Speaker 02

  Oh, cool.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  There's a lot of weird stuff about it. It's kind of interesting, but the most interesting thing, the MG is trying to do like a heritage tie-in, even though it's heritage. So on the side of the car, it's very small, but printed on the side of the car, right in front of the rear wheels is the word 100th Anniversary.

• 22:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Because the company was founded in 1924. They're skipping the 20-year period where it went into receivership, left British hands, and is now in the Chinese zone.

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  That's like being like, I bought this car for 25 grand, then I sold it for 21 grand, and it only cost me 35 in-between to maintain it, but I made money.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  The best part, though, the key fob is shaped like a teardrop, and apparently the intended shape of the key fob is some MG race car from the 60s, and it's a heritage play. Like, for all the people who remember the MG.

• 23:16Matt Farah?

  Holy shit.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  It is called like the Flying Teardrop, or some, it has some famous historical name.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  And they're trying to do this. Yes, the key fob is shaped just like that.

• 23:28Matt Farah?

  Wow, I can't think of anything else you're supposed to do with things that are shaped like that.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  They are desperately trying to tie into the heritage that they don't have because it's now a Chinese company.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  And the people don't remember, and the people that are buying an EV roadster aren't gonna remember that this random land speed car existed.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, except I'm in the alley behind our office, getting in the car and setting up my cameras, a dude walks up, he's like, MG, my son has an old one. I'm like, oh my god, you actually made the connection, I can't believe that.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  He's like, yeah, my son, here's my son's, and he shows me like an old MG B. I'm like, wow.

• 24:01Matt Farah?

  So, on a scale of actually pretty nice to actually this is pretty shitty, where does this thing fall?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  It depends.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  The name, I'm so over the word cyber, which is such a terrible name for anything, but, but.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Well, the other car, the other Chinese car we're just coming out soon is called the Xiaomi Su7. Would you prefer that name?

• 24:23Speaker 01

  The answer to how good is the car is, do you think the party leaders are watching?

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Do you think? Uh, it was great.

• 24:31Matt Farah?

  In which country?

• 24:33Speaker 01

  No, it wasn't so bad.

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  The, the drive wasn't ama- it was fast, the drive wasn't amazing, the steering could definitely use some work.

• 24:39Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  It looked awesome. Everybody who was in the car, who was in the office was like, I can't believe this.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  The MG or this?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  The MG.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  It was, and the interior was like excellent. The materials are, we all think of Chinese stuff as like cheap crappy stuff. That car was on par with.

• 24:53Matt Farah?

  I think it's probably fine. I mean, 10 years ago, I think yes, but now they can probably be.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  It took the Koreans a long time to catch up.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  The Chinese are there. Like, if these cars didn't have 100% tariffs and crazy, like, I could see people buying these.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Have the Chinese been making those parts for a lot of, like, if they've been the supply suppliers for a lot of OEMs, then they're literally just learning.

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  They can make a door card over there.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  They can ramp things up much more quickly.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Right, absolutely. And it's electric, so they're not engine development, there's not all that certification and stuff, like, the Xiaomi Su7, they told me Xiaomi was making cell phones in 21.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  And now they have a car, which by the way, set the four-door Nürburgring lap record.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it did. But, but the.

• 25:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, yes, also, the electrification of it has given them a major boost because they were building real garbage ass engines.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Back when we did it, in America, we had to do engines.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, like, those like knockoff Lexus RXs and shit with those little garbage hamster engines, you know, but, okay, it's electric now, so it's, there's a lot, they've been doing that.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Anybody can just get a billion horsepower. In fact, the Xiaomi SU7 I drove, which was called the Max, but was actually the mid-trim model, uh, it had like 700 horsepower. There's an Ultra that has like 1,500 horsepower.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Do you want to hear something interesting? So, uh, today they announced, Ford announced today that the Mustang GTD ran at the Nürburgring in under 7 minutes.

• 26:14Matt Farah?

  657.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  657. It's like one of six cars, whatever, to do that.

• 26:18Matt Farah?

  First American car.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  The Xiaomi SU7 Ultra prototype ran a 646.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Boom! They're making cell phones.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Three years ago.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's, that's crazy. I mean, even, to go back to Korea, if you think about a 2005 Elantra versus a 2015 Elantra, think about the difference in car that you're talking about.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Totally. Hyundai came in 86 and Kia came in 95. And it took them, even in the mid 2000s, they were still playing catch-up. They obviously aren't anymore. And there was, it was in that range, 2005 to 15. It happened in there that they like finally kinda, um, but it took them a while. The Chinese, I swear, if that SU7 was sold here today, it would be a successful car.

• 27:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  If people are willing to give Xiaomi the chance.

• 27:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  I think naming is an issue.

• 27:10Matt Farah?

  It is an issue. It's like Hyundai and Kia.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  That was already.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  It was already, that's like pretty far out there for America.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:18Matt Farah?

  This is like, starts with an X, like, get the fuck out of here, bro.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Well, work for Twitter.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  They're down there, they're down there in Mexico, though. I see them every single day with Mexican plates in San Diego.

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Chinese cars, they sell them down there.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  People are buying them. Uh, can we talk about the Countach?

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  We can try.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Okay. I have a Lamborghini Countach, as do you.

• 27:36Matt Farah?

  So I've heard.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  You forced me to buy mine.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  You were having so much fun. My co-pilot is great. I drive it all the time. It's been wonderful. Can you tell me what the current status is of yours?

• 27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. My complete powertrain is in Italy right now at a place called Top Motors, which is a family business that's been servicing Lamborghini engines since the 70s.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Why didn't you send it to Evan? Why didn't you call George and just send the damn thing to Ohio? He's the man.

• 28:05Matt Farah?

  Because, here's why. Sending the entire car... I've talked to a lot of people, and several of them recommended George. After all the math was done and everything, where I landed was, send the powertrain out and then keep the car local. Sending a disassembled car, and a completely disassembled car, to Ohio is incredibly risky.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:37Matt Farah?

  Very annoying, and, you know, may or may not have actually resulted in a better situation than I'm in now.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  So what is the latest? How is Top Motor doing on the motor?

• 28:47Matt Farah?

  So, they have, they have, they've inventoried what I've sent. And there are some things that are still missing. You know, I had to go to Donny's.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  And collect a disassembled car.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I came back with a 250 GTO. That was part of the Lambo.

• 29:07Matt Farah?

  And so I did the best I could, but like, there was shit every... Like, look at a disassembled car and go, "What's missing?"

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Especially if there's other disassembled cars.

• 29:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I fucking know.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Who knows what's part of this car and that car?

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  I did the absolute best I could, but like, some stuff was missing. And so, they have to find it and replace it. Some stuff. So the engine rebuild, it's engine transmission rebuild and what they call a semi-euro conversion. It's Euro cams, Euro exhaust.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  You're taking off the fuel injection?

• 29:39Matt Farah?

  No, no. It stays fuel injection.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  We feel that the emissions components are tremendously important.

• 29:44Matt Farah?

  Yes, they are. They're tremendously important. And so, they're so important that they're gonna come back in a box, where they'll go on a shelf for the next 25 years.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Why don't you find downdraft carburetors? Because you have a QV.

• 29:56Matt Farah?

  My understanding with, with, from Top Motors is, the, I can have the reliability of injection, and I can have the power of carb if I do this. That's how it works. That's what they say. So, okay, that sounds good.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  I don't say, people are so worried about carburetors, but my car starts every-

• 30:16Matt Farah?

  No, no, I'm not worried about carburetors, but I'm not gonna go through the effort of converting the car for some incremental difference.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you have a roundbelly QV. It's a very special car.

• 30:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  It's just injected. If you downdrafted it, I'd have to, I'd be jealous of you again. I'd have to go get another, a downdraft myself.

• 30:31Matt Farah?

  The engine cover is specific to injection cars? It doesn't look like your engine cover?

• 30:35Speaker 01

  I know! You get a downdraft engine cover. It's got like a power dome on it.

• 30:39Matt Farah?

  Where you find a downdraft engine.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  How many carburetors do you have, does yours have?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Uh, mine has six.

• 30:44Matt Farah?

  Six, right.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  You gotta tune every one of those things.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, with a hosepipe and a spoon, and he would do it downstairs.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  He would definitely tune, the way you tune your carburetors, but you have someone else assemble your office chair.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Well, this chair's hard to do. I don't know, you gotta, you gotta screw it.

• 31:00Matt Farah?

  I'm not motivated to convert it to carbs, but-

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Downdraft, you could have a downdraft.

• 31:04Matt Farah?

  I know I could.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Harry Metcalf, you could join Harry. Have I ever told you the Joe Sackey story of the downdraft? Did I tell you this last time?

• 31:10Matt Farah?

  Let me just tell you something about people that fucking snobbed-

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Okay, that's the story.

• 31:16Matt Farah?

  -injected Countach owners. There are a few people, who don't need to be named, but may have already been named, that are literally the snobbiest fucking people on the planet-

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 31:28Matt Farah?

  -who will fucking slide into your comments to point out that your Countach is injected, and somehow it's not as good as fucking theirs.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Nearly an injected car.

• 31:39Matt Farah?

  And these people are the biggest losers of magic.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Okay, this is my Joe Sackey story, and I've never told this story before. I actually like Joe. It's one of my all-time, which clearly, there are some different opinions. But I think this is one of my all-time favorite stories. I did not come from a world where people have Countaches. And so, all of my friends have like M3s and S4s, and the kinda cars that you have when you're my age and are into cars, normally. And I, I called Joe Sackey when I was looking for my Countach, she said, "I want a Countach." He said, "Well..." You have to buy a downdraft. He said, "If you buy a downdraft, all of your friends will say, 'Oh, he has a downdraft.'"

• 32:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  "That's amazing." And I'm thinking to myself, "My friends will be like, 'Holy crap, you've got a Lambo.'"

• 32:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Like, there is no distinction made in my group of the people that I care about what they think, that I have a downdraft versus an S versus a low body, you know, like, nobody I know even can tell the difference.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Now, in Joe Sackey's world, that may be true, but I don't care to be appreciated by that world.

• 32:36Matt Farah?

  No.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  But he was like, "If you have a downdraft, all of your friends will really..." I'm like, "No, they won't." "They will not know. I could put a Chevy V8 back there. They'd be like, 'Holy crap, you've got a Countach.'" Like, that would be enough.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't, I agree. I totally agree.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Nonetheless, you could downdraft. The thing about it is, the thing about it is, the best Countach is the roundbelly QV downdraft. It's roundbelly QV downdraft.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  So that's what...

• 33:01Speaker 01

  You have two of the three.

• 33:02Matt Farah?

  I have two of the three. My car will make more power than a downdraft.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  I know, but then you've got to tell that story. Whereas you see the engine liter and you just know...

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  My whole life is telling car stories, dog. Fuck, do I give a shit.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Can I say something now?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Also, he'd have to tell the story to people who don't know the difference, why he converted from F8 to a downdraft.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Matt, can I tell you something? If you had a downdraft, your friends would really appreciate it.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  This is everyone trying to live through someone else's money. That's what Joe did, that's what you're doing, same thing.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  The hilarious thing about the Countach thing is 99.9% of people don't have any clue, even between an anniversary.

• 33:34Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  And are just like, they generally know that the early cars are special and more valuable. But even between an anniversary and the one I have, they don't care. They're seeing the Countach and they're freaking out. And that's all they really care about.

• 33:46Matt Farah?

  Do they know that your car is like, has less displacement than my car?

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  Did you, do we ever talk about how they got that displacement in the engine, which I learned from taking the engine out of my car?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

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• 34:40Matt Farah?

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• 34:58Speaker 02

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• 35:18Matt Farah?

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• 36:01Matt Farah?

  promo code TIRE. This deal is exclusive to TST listeners, so get yours now in time for the holidays. Promo code TIRE. Terms and conditions apply. Now, back to the show. The block is the same. From the early cars, from the 400s, all the way through. They literally add a spacer that's like an inch long.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Big dude, it's very thick.

• 36:23Matt Farah?

  It just sits on top of where the-

• 36:25Speaker 01

  Oh, so instead of boring, it's just more, it's just higher.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  It's a longer piston stroke.

• 36:30Matt Farah?

  It's just more. They just add a plate to make the cylinder longer.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  I was there when they took the engine out and I was like, what is this? And Donny's like, that's to give it more displacement. I was like, this is a huge, this is not a head gasket thickness. This is like half inch to an inch. Fucking huge.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  My car, you know, has been bored out. So, so what's up? You want power? I got power, mofo. I bored it like a Trans Am.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  So your car's not overboard?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  My car's overboard.

• 36:54Matt Farah?

  Did George do that?

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Apparently, when the car came to him in 05, my car was owned by the same dude from 87 until he died in 2020.

• 37:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  So, 30 years.

• 37:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  And apparently, he took it to George for a major overhaul in 05. The car was getting tired.

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, because there was a $100,000 bill, right?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  It was something like that, in 05.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  And George was like, "The cylinder linings are starting to wear, like, we can overboard," and then obviously that removes that wear, and put in new pistons. So I got overboard engine and new pistons. What's up, mofo? Let's go!

• 37:23Matt Farah?

  How much displacement that has added? It's not usually much.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  He said like .02 millimeter. I don't know what that translates to in terms of...

• 37:30Matt Farah?

  Like, so for comparison, when I, when my good friend Larry Casilla, right, back in the day, he bored out his Fox body Mustang to what they called 30 over. And it went from 302, it was a very popular thing to do. Went from 302 cubic inches to 306. So it was a small, a small amount, but like, something, whatever.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Something.

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, you probably got a couple milliliter.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  In my case, it added power, he says, but more importantly, it added reliability. They put in new forged pistons.

• 37:57Matt Farah?

  Better pistons and shit.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  It's interesting, because I think someday when I go to sell the car, that may be a demerit, but to me, who uses the car a ton, I'm totally happy with the fact.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  You could also just not tell anybody.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, nobody would ever know.

• 38:09Matt Farah?

  No one's gonna know. I know. So, so, the update on the story is, and I don't think I've talked about this on the podcast yet, is that Donnie is out of jail.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Donnie's out of jail.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  So, Donnie, the charges were dismissed against Donnie. So, now, does that necessarily mean he didn't do what he was accused of? No, not necessarily. Does it, does it mean that he, quote, "got off or beat the system"? I think that is unlikely. And the reason I think that is because Donnie was basically alone in a jail cell in Arizona. They seized his, his funds. He had no money. He couldn't pay a lawyer. And I know this because he was asking me for money, and which I didn't give him. So he's public, it's public defender. The fact that, that he with no resources and a public defender got the charges dismissed.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  To me, is an indicator that maybe despite the fact that he has kind of a shady past, maybe he didn't actually do what he's accused.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  But nonetheless, your car ain't going back to Donny.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  Doesn't seem that way. Doesn't seem that way.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  So that's...

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  I've made other plans.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Do we have an idea on ETA on this top motor situation?

• 39:29Matt Farah?

  No. Just like before with Donny, their ability to get work done is approximately commensurate with my ability to pay them. So if this gets dragged out for a couple of months and I gotta trickle out some cash to Italy, that's okay, instead of them sending me a bill and going, "Here, by the way, it's eighty thousand, you know," or whatever.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  What do you think it's gonna be?

• 39:56Matt Farah?

  So I was told that if I had started with everything, meaning had they not, had some parts not been missing, I was looking at around fifty for the engine and around ten for the gearbox, plus shipping both ways. So it will be more than that because they've gotta find some stuff.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Which is a shame, because your cost basis in that car was so wonderfully low.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  My cost basis is still very good.

• 40:23Speaker 02

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• 40:25Matt Farah?

  No, and I just like, you know, like, you wanna keep your Countach for as long as you can physically drive it, right?

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  I feel exactly the same way about mine. I'm up, I think I'll always be up. So like, whatever it takes to set it up, to drive for the next thirty years, just fucking do it, and I'll fucking tear the Band-Aid off and we'll move on with our lives.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  You consider it overboring it?

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Not, he's not.

• 40:50Matt Farah?

  No, but really, I'm thinking about going downdraft.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Joe Sacchi, Joe Sacchi will respect you then.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  Thanks.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  And the people in his circle will respect you.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Thank you. But then they'll tell you, "Well, his was converted."

• 41:04Speaker 01

  It was a converted downdraft.

• 41:06Matt Farah?

  And of course, the guy doing my engine rebuild, of course, his name is Guido. Why wouldn't it be, you know?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Look at that SE30. You ever think about getting an SE30?

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  I've driven them. They drive really good.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  I know. We had an SV at the office the other day. We were selling cars.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  The SV drives so good.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Their deals too.

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  What color was it?

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Black with silver.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  With silver giant SV across.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  We have a client at Westside Collective Car Storage that is a Diablo enthusiast.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Oh yeah?

• 41:32Matt Farah?

  He's four and has got a fifth one on the way. He's got two SEs, an SV, and a 6O. And it is-

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Two SE30s.

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  Two SE30s.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 41:42Matt Farah?

  Neither of which is purple.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a shame. The purple was the thing.

• 41:46Matt Farah?

  The purple was the thing. I respect the purple. You know what actually the- The big money item on a Diablo SE30 is? The bumpers. The front bumpers. They're made by hand. They don't exist and they only made 30 and no spares. And so you can't-

• 42:03Speaker 01

  There are some unusual, like the wheels too are only for that car, etc. But it's so cool.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  But the front bumper is completely different from all other Diablo's.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  And it's basically impossible to replace.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  It was the only one that had the badge in that little spot there and then the lower, yeah.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  It's really not, it's not a- It's not my favorite Diablo front bumper.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  No, I agree with that. But it's kind of the ultimate Diablo and I kind of want one. But I'm done with buying cars.

• 42:28Matt Farah?

  Are you? You're over? You're tapped out?

• 42:29Speaker 01

  I haven't bought a car in 15 months.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, good for you. You're tapped out, huh?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Yup. It's over.

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  Are you, no, what, like, are you, have you reached the- Like, I realize that I, that six cars is all I can manage in my life.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Right. And I got six. Boom.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  That's it, right? Beyond that, it becomes annoying.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  We built a garage. I have been, had a long construction project going on in my house that's just wrapping up this week. I don't have time. I can't do that. And plus, I have the three greatest cars ever and you need to get them also. You need to get a 4GT and a Carrera GT.

• 43:01Matt Farah?

  I missed the 4GT. You know my 4GG story.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  I do, but-

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  I got fucked.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  They still exist.

• 43:07Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  They're still out there.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  They're so expensive.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  They're just four times more expensive.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  They're so expensive.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Buying a 4GT is like buying bonds. It is going up at this rate. It's not going up at this rate. It's going up at this rate.

• 43:17Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  And it's always a store of value and you're always gonna get out of it.

• 43:21Matt Farah?

  I'm too, I'm too sour about-

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  Telling everybody to buy them in 2011. That's really what... I could have had a quicksilver no-stripe 3,000-mile car for $110,000.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Well, you know, you screwed up, but sometimes you screw up. Dude, you know what I paid for my Countach? You're over here driving your $200,000 Countach. Life moves on. And I'll tell you something. There was a guy at Cars and Coffee who comes to our Cars and Coffee thing. He's got an F-50. He told me he paid 800 for his F-50. He had to be, like, strong-armed in it. He really didn't want to spend that much. Now it's a $3 million car. There was a time when he could have got it for less, right? When he could have got it for 500. But he didn't sit there going, "Damn, I wish I had..." And watched the market go up. He bought!

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Dude, the best time to buy a car is yesterday, right? Always. The best time to buy a car is always yesterday.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Second best time is tomorrow. Because today? That would have been better. Today would have been better.

• 44:13Matt Farah?

  I'll just come out and say, "I don't have 400 grand, Doug."

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Matt, you've got 400 grand.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  I don't have 400 grand.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I saw the spread in Venice Living. It talked all about your illustrious balconies and...

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  There's a passage in paragraph 3. "Mr. Farah, who has 400 grand sitting in his checking account, has built the beautiful..." No, I...

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Just borrow against stuff. That's no problem.

• 44:37Matt Farah?

  Yes! Leverage that Ford GT, baby.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Leverage a Ford GT, no problem with that.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, yours, and you put a lot of miles on it. And Carl put a lot of miles on it before, which is great.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  I bought it from Carl with 31,000 miles, and it's now at 43. I've had it for six years.

• 44:51Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  So I've driven it average 2,000 miles. It's pretty good, especially because I'm not here in the summer. So I'm only here nine months out of the year.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  Have you had to replace anything unexpected?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  My car has been dead reliable.

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  Because I heard... I mean, obviously, the powertrain is stout as shit. But I've heard, like, "The tach stops working."

• 45:06Speaker 01

  The gauges fail.

• 45:07Matt Farah?

  And then it's like, five grand to fix that, right?

• 45:09Speaker 01

  It hasn't been expensive. The gauges... My fuel gauge has failed right now.

• 45:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, it has?

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Which is not ideal.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  The fuel... Okay. Yeah, not great.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  It's actually working, but...

• 45:17Speaker 02

  That seems like one of the most important gauges in that car.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  It's more important than you realize, especially because you don't drive very often. Because it's like, right now, E is full. It's still working. Like, it hasn't completely stopped, but it's just shifted. And so, right now, E is full, but it looks empty. I mean, like, you're looking at that, you're like, "I don't know. I'm not gonna..." So you go to the gas station, you put in a gallon and a half. And they're like, "No, that was full." But so I took it to Palm Springs, and that's a problem.

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  It's like, I don't know.

• 45:42Matt Farah?

  But that should be, that's doable in one tank, right?

• 45:45Speaker 01

  There, and then I filled it there and drove it home. And then I fill it at home, like I fill it all the time now.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  Well, this is what I do with my Countach, because my gauge, it, it, it moves. But I don't know what it's saying. What, what does yours do?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Well, does your car have two, two fuel tanks?

• 45:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. So what, how, how do you fuel your car?

• 46:00Speaker 01

  I just fill up one of them.

• 46:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, you don't bother?

• 46:02Speaker 01

  I fill it up a half tank, and then I end up filling it up all the time.

• 46:05Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Because that car is impossible to fill up. It's the worst car in the history of the world to fill up. Because the thing, well, this is true of all old cars now in California. The little vapor lock thing over the, over the...

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  And so I sit there, and the other day, a quarter gallon of gas ended up on the ground. And I'm like, "I'm glad they're catching the vapor."

• 46:21Matt Farah?

  So what I do, or what I, what I did up until 18 months ago, is, you know, you'd, you fill it until it clicks. And then you let it go, and you wait three minutes for it to flow to the other tank.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  I would do that, I just don't drive the car so much that like, I'm cool with filling it only half tank and then occasionally have to. I will say, my car gets unbelievably bad fuel mileage. I don't know about yours. I've never been able to fully fill the tank, which you can't really do.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  I don't know what full is, so I can't tell you.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  But just based on like, how many miles I'm driving and how many gallons I'm putting in, I truly believe I'm getting four miles per gallon-ish. I think a start in that car, the carbureted V12 start, is, takes like a gallon of gas.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Fuel injection is great for...

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  My, my car is not that efficient.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  If I did fuel injection, Joe Sackey wouldn't respect me.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  He wouldn't invite you to dinner.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  I already, as it is, I already have an overboard car with aftermarket pistons.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  You're barely, you can barely even call it a Countach at this point.

• 47:16Matt Farah?

  I, uh, when I had first bought the car, I drove it to Palm Springs and back on, not Palm Springs, excuse me, Santa Barbara. And back on one tank, which is about 200 miles.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 47:26Matt Farah?

  And I, and it, once you're like, you know, cruising in fifth on the highway, it's fine. In town, oh yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  It's, it's...

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  It's not good.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  And I only really ever drive it in town, because I, I take it to work. I drive it to work every, almost every day.

• 47:38Matt Farah?

  Do you?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  My commuter. Imagine, good. Imagine you're driving down the freeway and I could, like, I think I'm the only one in San Diego who's got one. I've never met anybody else. We've never had another one show up at any local show. It's never, maybe there's one like, just festered away, so I, no one's ever seen one. And so it's a huge deal, driving around.

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  People freak.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  I mean, people, people freak even.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Oh, of course, yeah.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  It's not like you see them in LA all the time.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  No, I, I, when I lived in Atlanta, there were two that would like, be around occasionally. And I remember just freaking that, and I, I can't believe I didn't think about like, this is a 150 car, I should buy it. I didn't have 150, but I could have begged, borrowed, and stolen because it was so clear that there was so much interest in the car relative to what it cost. And it's insane that they were ever that affordable.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Influencers are, and I, I don't mean quote influencers, I mean, people in our community of influence are, are jumping on the Jaguar XJS bandwagon real hard right now.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  What?

• 48:37Matt Farah?

  Harris just bought one, Chris Harris bought one. Magnus is doing his TWR thing. I fucking talked for six months about buying.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  I talked for six months. Okay, so, so Chris Harris, a known British person, bought one. That doesn't count.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Well, the question is also, will, will Chris keep it for longer than six months a year? And I say it because he likes to move through cars, have the experience and move on. I think it's different where people buy Countach, it seems like everyone keeps it for 15, 20 years.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Except Stradman. Can we talk about Stradman? You don't consume Stradman's content.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  No, and I don't know him, no, and I don't know him personally.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  I'll get you up to speed.

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  I know who he is.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Stradman's this guy, he lives in Utah.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've seen the house.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  He makes car, okay, he built a house that was like 10,000 square feet. It's done, it's all good, all, everything's fine. He just did a house tour. Half of it is actually unfinished. The basement was never finished, the stair risers, some of them don't, still are plywood. There's a second kitchen where nothing is hooked up.

• 49:29Matt Farah?

  Oh no.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  And, uh, the whole thing shocks me. But anyway, he's selling his Countach, but he's got an 88 and a half with the little side straps.

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  The side's great. I, I don't like those.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Look at this Joe Sackey stuff over here.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  That's the hill I'm dying on, is extraneous body kits designed by Horatio Pagan. That's, that's where.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  Well, Pagani did just the ante.

• 49:49Matt Farah?

  He did the anniversary.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Which actually looks better than the side straight cars to be totally.

• 49:52Matt Farah?

  The side straight cars are very mismatched.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Very mismatched.

• 49:55Matt Farah?

  They don't fucking work.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  It was like the 09 Mercedes SL facelift where they facelifted the front and not the rear. Which was, which was odd.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  Guys, let's just do half this one.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  It was an unusual decision.

• 50:07Matt Farah?

  Side strakes don't do it for me. I don't like 88 and a half. My car's the end. It stopped. They built mine and then went, guys, we can't do any better than this. Let's fuck it up a little bit.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  You're not wrong though.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  A round belly QV is kind of the dream. Harry has the downdraft. You have yours.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Harry and my cars are almost twins.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  I love that mine is white.

• 50:24Matt Farah?

  White is great if.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Ooh, look at those side strakes.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  Triple white. Is your interior black, though?

• 50:29Speaker 01

  My interior is black.

• 50:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so you don't want a white interior.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the thing. White, white, white sells for more and is cool in theory, but I hear that it wears poorly.

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  The fucking white leather, because they bleached it. That's why they made it white. It cracks like crazy. They just dried it all out.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, my black interior looks nice.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  My tan, I think, I think tan ages the best of the, of the interiors. But either way, if you're gonna go, if you're not gonna go red gold like mine, then white or some of the blues. There was a couple of blues that were. The one at Pebble this year, the, um, the light blue was unbelievable.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  I've never seen a bad color on the car because it wears weird colors well.

• 51:08Matt Farah?

  Did you see that yellow 88 and a half that Ivanhoe?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  We sold it.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  You sold it. That was not my favorite.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  The brown interior wasn't what I would have done.

• 51:18Matt Farah?

  It was not my favorite. I wonder, what did that car go for?

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Pull it up, Zach. I think it sold for 600.

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  Cars, cars, yeah. It wasn't like a, it brought like a pretty decent number.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  It was, it was an 88 and a half and it was a US car.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  There was 675.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  That's a pretty decent number.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  You know, in that photo, which is like super HDR'd up, it actually, the richness of the yellow is better than other photos.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  I actually reviewed this car. I was there in person with it. I never minded the exterior color, but the interior, yellow and brown is not. I wouldn't call that the ideal spec. If I was, if I was personally.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  Can we, can I see the interiors, Zach? Scroll down. Whoever shot this did a very nice job.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, well Ivan, Ivanhoe does the best, you know.

• 51:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, did, did, was this Ivanhoe's guy?

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Well, he had a guy do it or something.

• 52:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, uh, that is chocolate.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  That doesn't look as bad. There are some angles where it's, where it's...

• 52:06Speaker 02

  When the sun hits that, it's not, it's gonna look worse.

• 52:08Matt Farah?

  That's not great.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  It's pretty brown.

• 52:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's very brown. Okay, but still 675 is a pretty decent number.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, for a US car, for a, for a stupid, ugly, fuel-injected...

• 52:17Matt Farah?

  Fuel-injected car.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Thing.

• 52:18Matt Farah?

  That's the, the combination of, of the tan...

• 52:22Speaker 01

  It's a Chepada's.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  They did the tan carpet, too. It's like not the, it's not the brown, you know.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  Okay, so Countach is...

• 52:31Speaker 01

  I'm done buying cars. I did buy a Toyota Sequoia. Have we talked about this?

• 52:34Matt Farah?

  No, but I saw. It's, why did you buy a Toyota Sequoia?

• 52:36Speaker 01

  I needed a car that could both fit my family and a lot of other people and go off-road. I'm the only person in the world who has this requirement, apparently, because no one else has bought those cars. But, are you coming to tell you a couple of interesting things about it?

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  The TRD Pro Sequoia, like, no one buys them.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:50Matt Farah?

  I've like never seen one.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  I thought you meant you're the only person that has a family and goes off-road, and I was like, whoa, the fuck?

• 52:54Speaker 01

  You know what? I, I thought that more people did that, but it turns out a lot of people don't like to go off-roading with their infants and toddlers. And I'm like, come on!

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  For you, off-roading is a Nantucket beach, right?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  But I'm there, like, every day.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  I'm not taking away from it, I'm just specifying the type of off-roading that you're doing.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  With a regular, like, people get stuck. I may have gotten the G-Wagon stuck this summer, but anyway.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Here's a, here's a true fact for you. A, a factory option, the Sequoia TRD Pro, is, not dealer-installed option, is a locking gun safe in the center console.

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  Yes! Which you got.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  No, I was, I bought a new one, but I was looking at used ones, they were all the ones in Texas had...

• 53:30Matt Farah?

  Had the gun safes in them?

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Ford started offering that a few years ago. Uh, I don't know if they were first, but I remember it because I drove one that had it. And, but these are made in Texas, I believe, so it makes sense.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. GM has the thing where the screen drops down, you just hide the fucking piece right behind there.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  So we agree that's what that's for?

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Yes. Gets guns.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Every time I'm in cars, I, and there's like weird things like that, I'm like, this is where people are gonna hide some stuff that they don't want the law enforcement officials.

• 53:55Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah. Have you ever seen that one that replaces your headrest with a safe? Just Google head, car headrest gun safe.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  There's a Planned Parenthood in one.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  But is the Sequoia good?

• 54:09Speaker 01

  No, what are you talking about? They're all bad. You ever been in a giant SUV? You ever driven a Tahoe?

• 54:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, not good.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  They're all trucky and ponderous and I was gonna come here and I was like, I just really don't want to do that.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  But this replaced the Defender, right?

• 54:21Speaker 01

  I guess, I don't know. I'm done with cars. I'm not buying any more cars as long as I live.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  I don't believe you.

• 54:27Matt Farah?

  I don't believe you.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll still buy daily drivers.

• 54:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of course.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  But how am I?

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Are there no other interesting cars you like?

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  A 4GT, a 4GT, a Celta. I don't know how you could.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  I really don't know how you could unless, unless you got like.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Fastback Mustang.

• 54:42Matt Farah?

  The only spin I might put on that is a, the manual 575 that you were looking at downstairs would be a nice one.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Although you're more, you're more than willing to road trip your not such GT cars, so maybe you don't need a GT car.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  I'm missing a Ferrari. I really wanted an F50, it didn't happen. And now it's never gonna happen.

• 55:02Matt Farah?

  You'll just borrow.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Just borrow again.

• 55:07Matt Farah?

  Get one today, just fucking borrow.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  I probably should have done that. But years ago.

• 55:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, when they were 1.2, that would have been the time to borrow. I know.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  There was a time. There was a time they were 250. 09.

• 55:19Matt Farah?

  Crazy? Yeah.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  What were we thinking?

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  I don't know. That one was, that one was pretty obvious.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Carrera GT2, honestly. The second owner of my Carrera GT paid 303 and it's now worth a million too. And I did the math and I think that if you, the Carrera GT outperformed the S and P even including

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  servicing, repairs, maintenance, insurance and fuel.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Not often that happens.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  No, no, it's not. Usually cars are an investment, but like you don't lose money if you're lucky.

• 55:46Matt Farah?

  There's probably.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  That one was actually an investment.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  There's like 10, 15 cars in the history of cars that outperformed the S and P. There's not a lot of them.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  It's very rare. McLaren F1.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  McLaren F1, Ferrari F50, Ferrari GTO if you've held it long enough.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Why don't we have F50s?

• 56:00Matt Farah?

  Why don't we have F50s? I can think of one reason.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Cause you spent all your money on these other cars.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  I want an F50 so bad. You ever driven an F50?

• 56:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're great. Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  You saw Assad had one?

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  Who? Oh yeah, Assad. Oh, we, yes, on the last show, we did evaluate Assad's car collection. What did you think?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Pretty trash except for that F50. Which you gotta assume is in danger. If some dudes taking cellphone video in like a Sentra or driving through the warehouse.

• 56:28Matt Farah?

  Someone's going home with that F-50.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  I think brokers saw that video and they're trying to make calls to friends that are in the Defense Department like, can you connect me with someone on the ground?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I totally agree with that.

• 56:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  But I, it's, that's a process that's going to take time and looters.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  The rebels are like, you know what? I've never driven an F-50.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Someone watches our channels but also lives there.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  You know what the thing is though, like? That car couldn't have been maintained.

• 56:53Matt Farah?

  Like, no, I bet you it's been sitting for 15 years doing fuck all.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  That was the thing about the F-40 in Iraq. Like, it had like a, like a, like a video game steering wheel. Like, they, you can't, no one, you can't get parts. Like, a lot of the countries that could be dealing with, like, won't, you just can't, straight up can't do it.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  What's the dealer network like in Syria?

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Right. So where, what even is the closest dealership?

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Network? What is the dealer network?

• 57:17Speaker 01

  The closest dealership is probably Istanbul, which is countries away.

• 57:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  And even then, when is the Istanbul Ferrari dealership had a lot of time with the F-50? And even then, like, what are the, you know, what are the rules about other countries dealing with Syria?

• 57:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Turkey maybe, I don't know, it's.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Right, what are the Ferrari dealership sanctioning rules?

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Like, if Putin needs a scar service?

• 57:39Speaker 01

  I wonder what they do.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Did he send it anywhere?

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Remember when Toyota, when they like called Toyota before Congress to explain why so many, like, military groups were driving Toyotas? Like, how are these getting these cars?

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  They're very durable, sir.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  And Toyota's like, uh, car theft exists in your country.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  And you saw the photo dump of, uh, of the, you know, the Brunei shit, right? Everybody sent me that.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something.

• 58:01Matt Farah?

  Like, 30 people sent me that.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  I don't want to get into it on this show because it would take the rest of the show, but all I think about is Brunei. Like, all I think about is Brunei.

• 58:09Matt Farah?

  So you're not buying cars, but if a Brunei Bentley came up, you would be in the game?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I just. I did a deep dive on it and one of the things I discovered was that Prince Jeffrey, who ordered all the cars, is generally agreed to have spent 14.8 billion dollars. And I read an Atlantic article going through the whole thing and one of the things that said was, "He has probably spent more money than any other living, than any other human being in the history of humanity."

• 58:35Matt Farah?

  On cars or just in general?

• 58:38Speaker 01

  In total. He bought crazy stuff. And you know, we also calculated, they had 7,000 cars, during the period, it wasn't that long that they were doing this, 10 years, 8 years, we calculated he was buying 3 cars a day.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  People were like, "I can't believe these cars have no miles." It's like, "Of course they have no miles!" What was he gonna do?

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  3 cars a day.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  On average, I mean, who knows?

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  Think how long it takes to buy a car.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 58:59Matt Farah?

  Now you're trying to buy a car that doesn't exist. You're calling Bentley 3 times a day and you're going, "And now a convertible."

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  And now an SUV.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  Was cocaine involved? It had to be. The pace of those phone calls for custom cars that made some sense and no sense, it had to be just drug-addled consumers.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Absolutely crazy. Now, to be fair, a lot of the cars, most of the cars were not Ferrari, one-off Ferrari station wagons. It was, they bought hundreds and hundreds of Bentley, black Bentleys. They probably just were like, "Give me 100." That was one phone call.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  We need 10 more. We crashed 10.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  But like, what the hell? You know, one of the other interesting-

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  Look at that.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  You know what that is?

• 59:35Matt Farah?

  That is the best Ferrari 328 in the history.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  No, it's a Testarossa. That's the F90.

• 59:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it?

• 59:39Speaker 02

  That is not good-looking.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  There are some hain cars.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Because Pinn and Freen in the 90s was like, "You got money?" It was like, "We were maybe mentioning before, your credit card clears?"

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  You can do whatever you want.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  I imagine that the buyer had some influence. They were like, "Make it rounder." And Pinn and Freen was like, "Okay, it doesn't look good, but sure."

• 59:57Speaker 01

  You know what I loved, though? All the cars are right-hand drive, because it's a right-hand drive country, except the Bugatti EB110s, left-hand drive. Bugatti was like, "No matter how much money you have, we physically cannot do it." That was Italian Bugatti, you know, when the EB110 was, they were like, "No, we just don't, we just don't have the capability, sorry."

• 1:00:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  We don't care how rich you are.

• 1:00:16Matt Farah?

  That, yeah, that one, Zach. That car, or one exactly like it, was parked right next to me at the hotel at Pebble Beach this past year.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  So a few of the Venises, the 456 Venice Estates, there were Venice City and Venice Estates, a few of the Venice Estates didn't make it to Brunei.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  And so that one, which is right-hand drive, was-

• 1:00:34Matt Farah?

  It was so good-looking.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  It was in the UK for years and then it went to someone in the United States.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  It was a really good-looking car, actually.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Ferrari should have made it.

• 1:00:42Matt Farah?

  It was really nice.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Do you still have your Mercedes wagon?

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  I still do. It's the greatest car I've ever had.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Oh, I was gonna say, if you need a wagon and you ever need a Ferrari, put them together.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  I wonder what that would cost though, because the 456 is not the best car, but like, it's a one-off, kind of a one, there were 10 of them. Like, what would, what's a number? I don't know. I would just, I would want it so much. I want it so much.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  It's so cool.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  I just think if I was, if I had endless money, I too would commission.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Matt Farah?

  Well, and people still do.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  You would. If you, if you were spending 14 billion dollars, after the first billion, you'd be like, alright, the stuff that's out there isn't doing it for me anymore.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  You would very quickly get there.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, and, and you can, you know, Rolls Royce is doing the boat tail, and Ferrari will do this shit today.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:25Matt Farah?

  They're doing it today. You can go fucking get some.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Just not on the scale. That's the thing that's so insane. I mean, they would if you came to them, but it's amazing that he had not, like, like, uh, what's his name, uh, had, uh,

• 1:01:36Matt Farah?

  Like Clapton.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Clapton had, Clapton had the one-off, which is cool. They had hundreds of, like, think about that.

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  No, the volley, and, and they were propping up the OEMs.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Rolls and Bentley, as soon as, as soon as it all went south for Burnai, Rolls and Bentley.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they sold to Volkswagen and BMW, like, we can't do this anymore.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Why weren't we born from an oil-rich oligarchy?

• 1:01:58Matt Farah?

  I don't know, but we really should have been.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  How come this didn't work out for us?

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  F40s and F50s and fucking GTOs.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Very good Ferraris. Wow.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  We should be part of this. Why was our life not like this?

• 1:02:11Matt Farah?

  Why did we suffer so much? Oh, it's so fucking cool.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  McLaren F1?

• 1:02:16Matt Farah?

  What's, um, what's happening in, I mean, you guys are, you're, you're Cars and Bids podcast now, which

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  We got a podcast.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  Which is, which is good, seems nice. And, uh, do you like podcasting?

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, we do like a quick, easy, we don't do guests. It's a very different situation than, this is like a deep dive, people have fun and do things, but we do like news.

• 1:02:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  What's going on in the market?

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  Well, that's, that's where I was going with that. What's going on in the market?

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  I don't know, but Focus RSs are cheap. One of them sold for like 20 the other day.

• 1:02:45Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Matt Farah?

  That's, I mean, that's cheap, but also, I sold mine, so I had a, I had a Seventeen Focus RS that I sold with sixteen thousand miles in eighteen for twenty-seven grand. So if someone bought that car for twenty-seven grand and sold it for twenty-six years later, it's actually very good.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, um, nonetheless, cars are dropping again, which is, as an enthusiast, as a, as a purveyor of automobiles, I wish for another bubble and I hope that, however, as an enthusiast, it's kind of fun, you know, I eights are under forty, and I know that nobody likes the I eight, but like,

• 1:03:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but at thirty grand. Thirty grand, that's got butterfly doors, bro.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Right, there's a price where you start to think, could I turbo this?

• 1:03:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Like, like, some of these cars are starting to get cheap, Plads are in the fifties, which is wild for that level of power.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Um, the other day I drove an Aston Martin Valkyrie, you wear this car?

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  You drove a Valkyrie?

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  I drove an Aston Martin Valkyrie in Orange County, in Newport Beach.

• 1:03:47Matt Farah?

  A customer's car?

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, and dude, I'll tell you something, we got up next to a C sixty-three and that dude was having the reaction, he was like, what is, like, give us one of these on the road, holy crap.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  You fit in it?

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Barely, barely, like, just like this.

• 1:03:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Uh, that car costs four and a half million United States dollars, and, oh, okay, here's a Valkyrie, here's a Valkyrie fact that you'll absolutely digest, I didn't post it yet.

• 1:04:07Matt Farah?

  Got it.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Anywhere, I'm keeping it quiet, except I'm announcing it.

• 1:04:10Matt Farah?

  Right now, right now.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Aston Martin Valkyrie, the, in order to service it in the United States, one service point in New York, that's it. I asked them,

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  It's at Miller?

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  It's at Monticello.

• 1:04:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's at Monticello Motor Club, is there, oh, wow.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Uh, or, or nearabouts.

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Um, they told me that,

• 1:04:28Matt Farah?

  Wow, they put the service center at Monticello.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  They told me that the car is so difficult to service, that if you took it to an Aston dealer, that only like, like, two percent of the components on the car could even be removed using the tools a typical Aston Martin dealer has.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  If you get a flat tire, in order to jack up the car, there are front and rear jacking points and a specialized, custom-built jacking tool that the car has, and you have to use that, and the Aston dealers don't have it, it's only in New York. So if you're driving the car in LA and you get a flat,

• 1:04:55Matt Farah?

  You ship it with a flat to New York?

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Yes, I asked the owner of the car, who is, has a YouTube channel, Supercar Ron is, I, I asked him, what about this, and he was like, well, I got a plane, I got a couple planes, he's like, I, I'm, I'm used to maintenance. But like damn.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:10Matt Farah?

  When I went to Laguna Seca for the hypercar invitational and I got a ride in the Valkyrie Pro with Andy Preo, who was their test driver, who's a phenomenal driver. I did, we did a five lap run, at which point I almost shat myself and threw up. And I got in the car, I go, this is the dumbest car in the history of the world. Because literally nobody can drive this. This is, this is like, it's not even like you need to be a pro. So you need to be a pro's pro.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  It is exceptionally compromised.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  And there's a procedure to start it, you know about this?

• 1:05:46Matt Farah?

  I don't because the race car's different. The race car's having the hybrid shit in it.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Well, getting in it, like, there's all these things that have to be, like, you turn this to this, and this turns on, and you have to wait till you hear this, and then you do this, and then you press this, and it's like four minutes. And so you're leaving, you know, you're leaving cars of coffee. Someone's come up to you trying to steal your, they're trying to shoot you, you're like, hey, wait a minute.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Now, that doesn't usually happen in the world where the Valkyrie owners live. But anyway, um, here's a great, here's another great.

• 1:06:08Matt Farah?

  And if it did, they would definitely go online and be like, you can't enjoy your night things anywhere at all. I can't drive my five million dollar car to dinner without somebody wanting to steal it with zero reflection of what kind of a society they've built for themselves.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:26Matt Farah?

  Sorry, continue.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  I think that's the truth.

• 1:06:28Matt Farah?

  I can't wear my Richard Mille to Spago because somebody might want to steal it.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  What is going on?

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  Says the guy who fucking underpays his employees by fucking thousands of dollars a month.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  That's all, this is all fairly accurate.

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  PPP loans, pay them back?

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Dude, PPP loans, that was wild. I could go for days on the subject of PPP loans.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, it's the stimulus checks that people are still riding.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  That is so wild.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  That is a lie that makes me very upset. Sixteen hundred dollars total for people, and people were like, they're still riding those, like, three years later?

• 1:07:01Matt Farah?

  You got one month rent, homie.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  One Twinkie a day, you're out of money.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  It was all PPP loans, all the inflation, which was blamed on President Biden, was all PPP loans, which were bipartisanly agreed upon, and was, it turned out to be a terrible idea, managed terribly. All, the reason cars have gotten so expensive is because people blew all that money off cars.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  People were scamming their fucking TV.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  The government forgave all those loans, a lot of those businesses never even closed. I could go for days about this, I am so upset about PPP loans. Anyway, I think it is so annoying. You know, my accountant came to me, here's a little Doug factoid for you, I'm gonna took my own horn. My accountant came to me and said, you know, you qualify, you could get PPP loans. And I told him I didn't think it was American, and I was like, I'm not gonna do it. My business did not suffer, it is not suffering, I can keep paying my people, and I'm not doing it. Boom, and I didn't.

• 1:07:43Matt Farah?

  I, uh, also turned them down. This not, uh, Westside opened three months after they gave the loans. I probably would have taken it from Westside, but it didn't.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Well, maybe you would have had to, but I didn't, and so I know a lot of people took them and they didn't.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  We qualified at the Smoking Tire for loans, which I did not take.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  I mean, my business did well, you know, the people were watching stuff.

• 1:08:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was fine.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  People were on the internets watching stuff.

• 1:08:06Matt Farah?

  We did not need the money, and I didn't take it. But later I found out that other people did not need the money, took it, and bought G-Wagons.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  And never paid it back, and the government forgave it, the government made that possible. It's not, the people who are scammers are not even that much of scammers, the government was complicit. And then they blamed, anyway, okay, we'll move on.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Is this car what you get just, just below the Sultan of Brunei calling and ordering custom cars? Like, because if the motivation of that, of him was, everything that's available to the public is boring, I need more to get my fix.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  I guess, I guess it's that level.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  So you have this crazy thing that no one can drive.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  But it's, it's the only thing that is special when hypercars are easy to drive around and so prevalent, right?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and that scares me because there's a huge tide of cars that are being made right now just to make rich people feel special. Do you know that new Countaches trade under MSRP?

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Like, there are, like, a lot of cars.

• 1:09:00Matt Farah?

  It's very important, Doug, if billionaires aren't... Entertained, they start buying governments. And so, and so what you have to do is make sure that your billionaires are sufficiently distracted, enough to buy, enough to do, let them go to space. That might keep them from, let's just call it musking.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  I just worry about-

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  And deciding they want to buy a government.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  As a car enthusiast, when I, when I was a kid, there was one car that cost a million bucks, the Veyron, and it was a purposeful thing. It cost a million bucks because it had an enormous engineering effort behind it. And the Countach was a special car, not because they wanted a toy for rich guys to feel special. It was the best they could do. And they made as many of them as they could, which wasn't many. These days, there are these like fake limited cars that only come out truly to make rich guys feel special. I bought my Countach from a guy like this, who sold the Countach to make room for like a Senna and a new Countach, and all these cars that are kind of BS, to be honest.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  And I think it's all just kind of pathetic. Like, I see some of these collections on Instagram that are like trying to, and it's like, you're just buying new stuff that has, that has no intrinsic value, in my mind.

• 1:10:06Matt Farah?

  Well, a lot of these companies, they're selling the, they're selling cars to the same couple hundred people.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Matt Farah?

  And it's not, well, do you buy a Pagani or a Koenigsegg? It's, you're getting both.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  And then you're getting the next one of both.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  And in the market, as it's been, they've generally been able to get out of the cars and make money.

• 1:10:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  And so, for them, it's been like, oh, well, I think that's going to start changing. When you have 18 different $2 million cars, you know that the Lamborghini dealer in Newport Beach has stock pit in Farina Batistas, just sitting on ground unsold? It's a $2.5 million car.

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  That's not a good situation.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  It's a good-looking car, too, but it did seem to go up.

• 1:10:40Matt Farah?

  I know a person whose name won't be named, who bought and then sold his Nivera, and took a seven-figure bath on it in six months. It's the worst depreciation I've ever heard of.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 1:10:51Matt Farah?

  Seven figures in six months.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  I just think, in order to justify a car at that price level, and actually, I think Valkyrie is a car at that price level that I could justify. It's insane to drive and not really operable at, but at least it's special.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Like, when I get behind the wheel of that car, I feel like that is an experience I can't get anywhere else.

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  That's what Jethro said as well, and, and he, because he drove it, he actually, he drove Aston Martin. Car for four days in England, Jethro did. And I was like, was that awful? And he was like, yes, but it was uniquely awful.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. And It's like how I feel about the Countach. People are like, isn't it terrible? It's like, well, you don't get it. Like, it's a different, it's a special experience. And that's what that car offers. It is not what the new Countach offers or what the Lamborghini Sion or the all of these other

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Do you think the problem then that like, because the Senna to me is a very, it's a high performing automobile. It's a good, it's a decent track car. It's just an uprated version of existing platform they had.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Now, do you think that it doesn't, it's not special enough or purpose built enough? Or do you think it just has too many look alikes to put it simply?

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Senna may be okay. I think Senna is very unique and purpose built is probably a bad example. But like, the ones that I'm thinking of SF90, for example, right?

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  That car is those things that is not special enough. It is not purpose built enough. It's just not ringing the bell. And that's clearly been proven by the fact that they're selling sticker at 800 on the used market.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  They're 380.

• 1:12:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they took it. Yikes.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not great.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Right. And at some point, people are going to rebel against that. And then Ferrari's got a little problem on their hands because if their top clients stop buying the cars that lose money. They, you know, they've got to figure out how to get the cars that make money. But if they're losing more money in the cars than they're making, then they got, anyway.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  It's tough because the performance of, let's call it the base cars, 296 is so good, so fast, etc., etc.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  I would literally rather have a 296. I think the 296 looks better. And I think from a usable perspective, I think they're the same. Maybe one of them's a little quicker. SF90 might be a little quicker, but like, you'll never

• 1:12:44Matt Farah?

  It's, it's like the 296 does like a 98 quarter mile and the SF90 does like a 96. It's not hugely different. And the Ferrari was the only rear wheel drive car that road and track ever tested to run a 9. Factor. Yeah, first car, first car to ever do it.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Speaking of cars that run 9s, yesterday I shot the ZR1. They didn't let me drive it, but I shot it.

• 1:13:06Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  I shot around it. You seen that wing?

• 1:13:09Matt Farah?

  It's big.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  It's big. You know that, are you aware that they have their president do the 233 mile an hour run?

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Matt Farah?

  They did.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  Pretty cool.

• 1:13:16Matt Farah?

  Same

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  He's just a guy.

• 1:13:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Isn't he also the guy who crashed the car in the warm-up lap?

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Down at Long Beach?

• 1:13:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  I have a possibility.

• 1:13:27Matt Farah?

  It was Royce, right?

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he crashed a C7 while leading a pace lap at Long Beach.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  There's a weird bump in the crest thing and I think he's

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Oh, I've seen this. The car gets wide, it doesn't even hit anything else. It just like, he comes over a crest or something and it gets a little loose and then it...

• 1:13:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, the new ZR1 is the logical conclusion of GM doing the thing that now everybody else is doing, right?

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  You know this car has 1,064 horsepower.

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  Which we needed.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  The thing about the Corvette though, at least-

• 1:13:54Matt Farah?

  I drove the Z06 and I went, "You know what? I'm thinking like, we need like 400 more horsepower. We need another Corvette on top of this."

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  I think it's also cool that they, like, top speed was a thing. No one talks about top speed anymore. Veyron and Chiron and all those, Koenigsegg took all that off the table. It's kinda cool that like, that's like, 233 is not the fastest car in the world, but it ain't slow.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  But because most supercars, it's 205, 206. And then there's these other echelon where it's 268.

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  There's usually a difference in tires and the preparation and aero that goes into that.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  To be able to just have a guy do it. And Mark Royce ultimately is a guy. Like, he's not a race car driver. It's harder than people think to drive 233 miles an hour, even though you're going dead straight.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  But I would wager that someone like him and like, someone like the chassis engineers that work at GM and other places, like, they have all the levels of driver training, some of them will race in endurance races with other people.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  He probably practices it a couple of times.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  Before they hit the red button on the camera, they're like, "Just make sure you don't hit anything this time."

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Right, there's some key man risk there if he dies. Or has an incident.

• 1:14:53Matt Farah?

  That car to me is not necessarily desirable because the roads that I drive on, they're the same.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you could impress people. You continue to miss the Joe Sackey point. You can impress people.

• 1:15:08Matt Farah?

  Take off the turbos, carburetors. ZR1 downdraft.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Oh man, Sackey'd be all over that.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  Turbo-fed carburetor. There you go.

• 1:15:16Matt Farah?

  You get an angry email after this.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  I love Joe.

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  You had it coming buddy.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  No, no, he sells twenty GTOs. Joe.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I actually legitimately do like him, I feel bad. I just, there is an echelon of car collectors that would look down on you for not having a downdraft.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  And I never, or like your 300 SL doesn't have rudge wheels, and I never want to be part of that echelon of car collectors.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  I would fucking pack up and move if someone talked to me like that.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:15:48Matt Farah?

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  I just find that stuff to be silly. Like if you're at a level of wealth where you have to distinguish yourself.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  But that's exactly what it is. That's what it is. They have to separate themselves because they go, well now there's too many people in the Countach club. Well, you're not really in the club because I have made this new tier.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Right, you've got an injected car.

• 1:16:04Matt Farah?

  Ew. Clearly you couldn't afford the good one.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Right. And that's exactly how those people operate. There's some of those people.

• 1:16:11Matt Farah?

  I am very excited to get my car back and start driving it. I really, I know it is, and I've got other shit to drive, but I really, I miss driving it.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  If Evan's had that car, you'd be driving it today.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Someone asked, are you gonna go to Donny's Garage and ask Donny to give you the parts that you are missing?

• 1:16:25Matt Farah?

  I have already texted Donny the list of missing parts, and I said, "Look, man, it would be a big favor to me if you can find any of this shit." And he said, "I just got back to my place. It's a fucking disaster in here. I don't know where anything is. I've been gone, but I'll try." That's what he said.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Interesting. How much, how many, is it a lot?

• 1:16:46Matt Farah?

  Of parts?

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  You want to see the list?

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  I mean, the parts, you may know, the parts are not inexpensive. A washer is dollars.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Is it, is it big stuff?

• 1:16:55Matt Farah?

  Um, okay, there's probably...

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  One of the cool things about that car, the engine and transmission are connected. So if you got one, you got the other.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  It's all one big line.

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  I was amazed at the length we took it out. It was crazy.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  Okay, uh, let's see, we've, there's, there are mostly little things, so camshaft sprockets, uh, lower connecting rods, valve covers.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  You don't need those.

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  Nuts for valve covers, chain tensioner wheels, chain tensioner bolts, differential check control.

• 1:17:23Matt Farah?

  Uh, injector retainers, water pump. I sent the water pump. I don't know why they didn't, but uh, injection enrichener, injectors.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  We're gonna have to go to Europe, get the parts again, and then send them to Asia.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  And then send them to Johnny.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  And even less stuff will happen.

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  Intake and exhaust valves.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  This is like Free Willy, but with car parts.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  Those are big.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  What was it? What was it?

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  There's 24 of each of those.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:17:46Matt Farah?

  The valves. The valves are not there.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Um, they're in a pencil cup.

• 1:17:51Matt Farah?

  Supplementary oil pump, motor mounts, uh...

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  This is a lot of stuff. This is real stuff.

• 1:17:58Matt Farah?

  Air conditioning compressor, which we, which I do have. I don't know why they wanted us to send that, but I absolutely have the air conditioner.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  I don't participate in that.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  So that's the list of things we don't have.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  Bigger list than I thought.

• 1:18:10Matt Farah?

  The, huh?

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  It's a bigger list than I thought. When you say there were some things missing, I imagined four things.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Those parts are, that's an expensive parts list.

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  The valves and the valve covers are going to be expensive. Yeah, they are.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  It doesn't have valve covers either, huh?

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  The valve covers, I bet Donnie could find those. They're, they're, they're, they're probably fucking somewhere.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  The valves are usually under the covers.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Got it solved.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  He's got it all figured out. Fuck you guys.

• 1:18:40Matt Farah?

  Look, I mean, I, I, I, I've, I've gotten pretty fucked on this deal.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:18:45Matt Farah?

  This is, this is a, this is a bad situation. I'm just trying to fucking clean it up as best I can and move on. I mean, but like...

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  So where's the, the physical car is somewhere around?

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  At our, at our South Bay store.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  And it's good?

• 1:18:58Matt Farah?

  The body?

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just like interior and all that, like all that stuff there?

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  The body and the interior, I mean, the body's original, right? The paint's original, so the paint is scruffy.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Matt Farah?

  You know, but I talked to John Tamerian, a curator, about, "Look, the car's never gonna be more apart than this. Is this the time? Do we, you know, are we gonna paint the car?"

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  And he goes, "Here's how this is gonna work out." He goes, "A Countach repaint is a hundred and a quarter." And he goes, I'll tell you why. It's because we planned for 85 grand. But then expensive things always break when pulling the car apart.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:34Matt Farah?

  Such as the windshield, such as, you know, blah, blah, blah. The body panels are incredibly fragile and they need special prep.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  When I was looking for an F40, we found some off-color ones and I wouldn't stand for that. So we talked about paint, 200, 150.

• 1:19:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  That's a lot. That's like, that's a expensive job.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  It's a huge amount of money.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  Like I've painted entire, my entire house for like a fraction of that. And you'd think it'd be less, the car, because it's smaller.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  You could buy, you could buy other Ferraris for that money.

• 1:20:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no. And so, I mean, when he said the number, I was like, alright, I'm out, you know. But he also said like, look, I presume you want to drive this car. And I said, yeah. He goes, then don't fucking paint. He goes, here's what happens. You spend all this money, you get a perfect car back and now you don't want to drive it.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  I would paint panel by panel when it's necessary.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  That's, I'm not going to touch it.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  I don't even PPF. Mine's not PPF. In fact, I scraped mine. I scraped the hell out of the front bumper.

• 1:20:23Matt Farah?

  You can't PPF a Countach.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  No, not with the existing paint.

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you repainted the whole car, yeah, then you could. But if I put a fucking, if I put a TSD sticker on my car and pulled it off, I'd pull a fucking round of paint off of it.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  It's 40 years old. Paint's 40 years old.

• 1:20:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it was shit. It was shitty paint then. There's, you know, this panel's aluminum, this panel's carbon Kevlar. Like, they don't know how to paint anything. It was fucking all trash.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  That is absolutely true.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  My car's many shades of white.

• 1:20:48Matt Farah?

  You, you want new Countach weather stripping? $6,000 for weather stripping.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Stuff's expensive.

• 1:20:55Matt Farah?

  Because what the fuck else are you gonna do? Guy with, guy with a Countach and no red weather stripping.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  Dude, I wanted to buy new window trim. You know, the, the C, uh, whatever, on the back of the, side of the E46? $1,500 for that piece. It's like one of the most expensive pieces on that car.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  Dude, when I had my, when I had my C5 Corvette, the, the Targa roof that came off, the weather stripping started to peel on that. Just the bit around the Targa roof was 1,200 bucks.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  On a fucking C5 Corvette.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  That's when.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Is labor a component?

• 1:21:25Matt Farah?

  No. Whenever someone is like.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Scissors.

• 1:21:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's a Chevy. It's a fuck. I was like, dude, there are so many things.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Targa weather stripping.

• 1:21:33Matt Farah?

  So many things in a C5 that are not shared with other GM models.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  Matt, speaking of your old days, here's another question I have for my friends. I don't know if we'll talk about this on the pod. I, I'm nervous. There's a very famous video with you in it.

• 1:21:45Matt Farah?

  I can't wait to hear this.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  With you and Ferretti trying to get a speeding ticket first. This video gets sent to me weekly.

• 1:21:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it keeps coming around. Yeah, every few months.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  To be fair, it's a great video.

• 1:21:58Matt Farah?

  It's classic. All time. All time classic.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  It is so watchable. And I've seen it a thousand times. And when it comes up on my reels, I'm like, I'm gonna watch this.

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  I wish you could see the whole thing. We gotta get Rob to send it to you. The shit that, the clip from Instagram, which is like 12 seconds, that's a 40 minute video that Rob and I made.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  So this is the question I have in my friend's app. Is it real?

• 1:22:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  The whole thing?

• 1:22:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and, and we got real tickets and the cop got fired.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Well, okay. Someone told me that the cop got fired. Why? The cop, what did he do?

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  He left me to go chase someone else instead of staying to like give me the ticket. And he was identifiable in the video.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  So, so wait, if a cop has got someone pulled over for going 11 over and a dude drives by shooting out the window, he's not allowed to do it?

• 1:22:41Matt Farah?

  Let me explain something to you about this video, Doug. I don't care about the fucking cop. So whatever someone's... Whenever Rob was like, "Yeah, this happened to the cop," I was like, "Okay." And then I went back to my dinner. I don't give, I didn't fact check this or follow up. I do not care.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  So it may not have occurred.

• 1:22:58Matt Farah?

  You know what I can, here's what I can tell you. That reckless driving ticket I got cost me thousands of dollars and points that were on my license for years. They were real.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  So it was a real thing. It really happened. He also got a ticket. The way the video is portrayed, it seems like you didn't get a ticket. You were about to.

• 1:23:13Matt Farah?

  No, because that's what I say. You should see the full clip because what I did was go out and find another cop. The ticket, the contest was still going on. The cop, he left me to go chase Rob. I had to then go find another cop. And then I did the same thing again and got a real ticket, which you'd see in the full...

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  At that point, did Rob, had Rob already gotten the ticket?

• 1:23:34Matt Farah?

  The cop got Rob and got a ticket. So he won the contest, but we both got real tickets.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  Well, why, why did you go out and get another ticket after you...

• 1:23:43Matt Farah?

  Cause it was first to get a ticket, not...

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  The cop left you to get Rob. He wasn't gonna let Rob off with a, with a warning.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  But, well, if that cop didn't catch Rob in the time that it took Matt to go find a new police officer, he could still win.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  You should never do this.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  The real trick is to not go too fast because they need to catch you. If you go too fast, they won't catch you and your friend wins.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  He went off to chase Rob. It was no chase. Rob drove by as fast as he could and then pulled over immediately as fast as he possibly could.

• 1:24:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, pretty much. Yes, pretty much.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Went off to find another cop.

• 1:24:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Of course, he goes, "You should never do this." I wasn't planning on it.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  You should never.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  I wasn't thinking that in my Toyota Sequoia, I would go out and try to go 107 miles an hour to get it.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  And it's not something I'm entirely proud of participating in. With the understanding that the video does remain.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Although I gotta say, I can understand why you're not proud of participating. That's good content.

• 1:24:29Matt Farah?

  It was.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  That is some good.

• 1:24:31Matt Farah?

  For '07? That is '07 YouTube, like, "Yeeehhh." And I was in an SLR McLaren, too.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  You were in SLR, that day?

• 1:24:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I was in SLR.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:24:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I took that car because I hated it so much. I tried to drive it like such an asshole because I hated it. It was the worst. I fucking hated that car.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  You still hate those?

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:49Matt Farah?

  They drive like shit.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do. You know, brakes are... I thought about buying one, though. You know, brakes are like 10 grand a corner.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they're awful. Uh, RennTech has a SLR brake upgrade.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  The brakes are awful.

• 1:25:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're terrible.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Transmission's awful, too.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  The transmission's bad, the brakes are bad, the interior is bad. I like how it looks.

• 1:25:04Matt Farah?

  It's got a cassette deck.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks like a Batmobile from Mercedes.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Comes with a cassette deck. Yeah, it's got a cassette deck, which is great. And I think that's one of my primary factors that I look for in a car.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  How do you listen to your Spotify playlist with cassette deck?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  In my Countach, I have a cassette deck and I use it. And it's original. It's an Alpine original.

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, so you've got the cassette. I got the Alpine CD.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, you're rich.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  '88 was the first year.

• 1:25:26Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 1:25:27Matt Farah?

  That was the first year, dude.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  That's how you flex on Joe Seki. I got the CD player.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  First year, that was the first production car with a CD player.

• 1:25:34Speaker 01

  I don't want the CD player. I got the cassette, so I plug in my Bluetooth connector and I play my Spotify while I'm driving along my Countach.

• 1:25:40Matt Farah?

  My stereo was a $6,000 option in 1988.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  For the CD player, for premium Alpine sound.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  You're kidding. Wow.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Six grand in '88.

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  That's like 20 grand.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  It's like 25 Gs today and you got a CD player. Although there are a lot of cars that have, like, high-end cars that have $25,000

• 1:26:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  stereo options.

• 1:26:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could Bentley, uh, Range Rover, uh, you can get a bunch of that kind of stuff.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  You know, cars now have like 30 speakers in the car.

• 1:26:09Matt Farah?

  Well, so, I had a guy who was storing his car with me here, okay? And he has, and I shit you not, four Oscar wins and 12 nominations for sound design.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Matt Farah?

  Okay? Think about Spielberg in the 80s, this motherfucker was right there.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:28Matt Farah?

  Okay, I'm talking about like E.T., Star Wars, fucking Indiana Jones, heavies, all through the 80s and 90s. This is the guy who mixed them.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Matt Farah?

  He has his little C-Class that he stores with me, okay?

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  It's like a nothing, '06 C300, whatever the fuck.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Matt Farah?

  In it, he has a stereo that he designed. It's six speakers, but very strategically placed. His whole, his door cards and his dash have been remolded so that for the perfect placement.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  And he has, his whole trunk is a fucking music server, okay? And he goes, he wants to demo it, so, okay, we demo it. This is the best car stereo I've ever heard in my entire life.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:27:07Matt Farah?

  By a lot.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  So, it's not number of speakers that we should be paying attention to?

• 1:27:11Matt Farah?

  So, he was very frustrated because this guy was going, "This is six speakers and it sounds better than what Bentley is doing with 30 speakers."

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  30, yeah.

• 1:27:18Matt Farah?

  I introduce, and he wanted to sell his technology. And he goes, "If I could sell this to a car company, they could offer a cinematic level stereo at a much more affordable price in a, in regular cars." I set him up with some people at some OEMs to, to talk to, and the conclusions were so funny. Customers are fucking idiots.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Matt Farah?

  We don't care about how the stereo actually sounds.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  You care about...

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  More watts, more speakers. That's what we want.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Ragging about the number of speakers.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  They got 25 speakers.

• 1:27:51Matt Farah?

  25 speakers in the Meridian, you know, 2,000 watts. They, they don't want us to go, "You know, my stereo's only got six speakers, it's only 800 watts, but it sounds better than the Burmese."

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  We need numbers, not subjective, even if, even if we can sit there and go, "This is actually great."

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  Nobody cares about the way it sounds.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  care about how many speakers they have to bring.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  And this dude.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  It's like horsepower, honestly.

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  I just watched the fucking life drain from this guy's face because he just went.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  He's a purist.

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  I have this thing that's so much better and it's just not what anyone is looking for.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:21Matt Farah?

  And uh.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  He's a music purist.

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  He cares about the actual sound experience.

• 1:28:25Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  We all just care about having a speaker in the headrest. Which they all do.

• 1:28:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and have you seen what Range Rover's doing now with their, the, the seats? So they have these new seats that have like capacitive type things in them. And they allow, they replace the subwoofer. So you can feel like club level bass, but it doesn't blow your eardrums out. It's like incredibly targeted bass that like.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  It's like physical as opposed to.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  Physical bass as opposed to sound. And it is, dude, you have to, you'll, if you, you gotta get, um, it's called B A S S, the Body and Soul Seat. But I tested it at the, uh, Range Rover Octa, the Defender Octa event. It was so cool.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  How many of these events are you going to?

• 1:29:10Matt Farah?

  Only when they're like easy, like the Octa one was like right up the road from my house, like come have drinks and look at the Octa, so I went. But I'm not like, I'm not like leaving LA to look at a car for, for, if we're leaving town.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  What about to drive? How many driving events are you going to?

• 1:29:26Matt Farah?

  Probably more than I should.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Like what, once a month?

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  Probably one or two a month.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Two a month?

• 1:29:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, one or two a month. I probably have three or four press cars here a month and then one or two.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  What, what is good enough on your radar to make you go to an event? For me, the answer is nothing.

• 1:29:42Matt Farah?

  You're smarter than me. I mean, no, you.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  I went to Ram RHO in Palm Springs. That's the furthest I'll go. I do one Palm Springs trip a year so I can drive one of the sports cars out there.

• 1:29:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you drove the Carrera GT to, uh, to GT3RS last year.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  And I would have driven it to this, except it's still being serviced for the recall.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  I feel like you guys have very different interests in the driving experience, like, cause these press events, you guys do track stuff. It's content for road and track. So like if, if road and track is interested in the car, that helps. But it's, okay, you get to go and drive fast, which.

• 1:30:10Matt Farah?

  If I fly somewhere.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  You don't do a lot of track days.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  I don't. It's always nice to have early videos though, as you know, I just, um, it's just such a, the, the problem is I now shoot basically every day. Like I shoot one to three videos a day in my office and going. You lose three days.

• 1:30:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Well, you have found a way, uh, through, you know, strategy or sheer force or whatever, to make the cars come to you. Which is fucking great. I don't.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  You got a lot of cars here.

• 1:30:38Matt Farah?

  I don't have that pull. So, I, I, I can't, I can't do that. So, I have to go to them. So, I'll go if, if my curiosity for the car.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:30:48Matt Farah?

  My general expectation that the video should perform at least average.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:53Matt Farah?

  And if I'm really gonna fly, it's gotta be like, it's not, I don't care about the hotels or the flights. Uh, it can be basic, I don't give a shit. But I really want seat time. I, I really want, I wanna be driving the car, I want there maybe a racetrack.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  And so, you went to the Bay to do Volvo EX90 because you know it's such a great automobile.

• 1:31:10Matt Farah?

  No, they were in Newport.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, why didn't I do that? I think I was on.

• 1:31:13Matt Farah?

  We did it in Newport.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I didn't go to the Bay.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Right, we wouldn't.

• 1:31:17Matt Farah?

  And it was pretty nice Newport, actually.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Oh, Pelican?

• 1:31:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, whatever, wherever the fuck we stayed, I don't know.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Um, the most, a lot of the reason the cars come to me is because I shoot a lot of cars that we sell on the site.

• 1:31:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  So, it's a lot of the press cars, I still miss out on being first. I used, they used to be like, "Oh, I'll get you one right away." But then my views kinda declined.

• 1:31:35Matt Farah?

  Well, it's nah.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  So, you're, we're actually all.

• 1:31:38Matt Farah?

  You and I, I mean, you're on a bigger scale, obviously, than us with your videos, but you've seen this.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Everyone.

• 1:31:44Matt Farah?

  Everyone.

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  Everyone. I consider Stradman to be my barometer for a lot of things. Like, I was thinking about building.

• 1:31:48Matt Farah?

  Why is that?

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  I was thinking about building a 14,000 square foot house. Then I saw him with his 8,000, I was like, "I'm gonna do that instead." Um.

• 1:31:55Matt Farah?

  Did you build a new house?

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  No!

• 1:31:56Matt Farah?

  Or did you just modify your old house?

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  It's crazy. You've seen what he's got, he's got a 26 car garage.

• 1:32:00Matt Farah?

  I know, it's a little over the top.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  I just, I get deep into Stradman content.

• 1:32:04Matt Farah?

  But also, if I had to live in Utah to do that, you can keep Utah. Thanks.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Uh, look at that thing, look at that thing, that could be you! Half done.

• 1:32:14Matt Farah?

  You know what, like, god bless him, I hope he's fucking happy. But I've been in houses, look, I'm looking behind the house. Behind the house, I'm looking in a neighborhood I don't wanna live in. That's what I'm looking at right now.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  You know, the problem, the problem, and, and, and I, I told my friends, "I just wanna be consulted by everybody about every decision they make."

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  But if your neighbor texts you and asks you about the car, you don't want to.

• 1:32:40Matt Farah?

  You know, guys, I don't need much. I just need to be involved in every decision you make.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Every decision every person makes. If he had come to me and said, should I build a 9,000 square foot house in a very remote suburb? The problem is, this is what young, rich people do. Basketball players do, right? I got all this money and a house won't satisfy me. I need my own custom house and it's got to have a basketball court and a 26 car garage and a lap pool and another pool.

• 1:33:05Matt Farah?

  Dude, remember the fucking, the Mike Tyson house in Farmington, Connecticut? What are you doing out there?

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  And all that stuff. And that stuff always comes up for sale. And you know what happens when houses like that come up for sale? They sell for pennies on the dollar. Because it turns out, nobody who lives in the middle of nowhere wants a 26 car garage. And this is a constant issue. And I just want to explain this to people. No, buy a house in a dense area that's already proven. Oh, I need a 26 garage. Well, figure it out.

• 1:33:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  But nonetheless, Stradman is my barometer and even his views are declining. Which is a problem because you got the house.

• 1:33:38Matt Farah?

  You've got payments, mortgage payments. I, I, I understand the mindset of building that dream car, car person house, like especially when you see it on someone else's Instagram, you go, yeah, that's what I want. Hoover, say, you know, Tyler, I love Tyler, same thing. You know, that's, there's, it turns out, I've started a business in order to avoid having to do that.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  And that was just, that was smart. The, the, the dream allure, though, of this 9,000 square foot house with 18 bedrooms, and I'm gonna have a, I'm gonna have a room where I can put my rooms. Like, that's not what you should do. It's never a good store of value.

• 1:34:18Matt Farah?

  I don't want to tell someone how to dream or not dream. But like, it's not, I don't, I, I grew up living in like, pretty big houses. I'm a little spoiled. My parents had a decent size.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  See, this is what I want to tell people. This is the big thing I want to tell people. You want to buy, you want to live in a house where the land is worth more than the, than the house.

• 1:34:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  And, and you don't want the other thing. Because there's no intrinsic value to the middle of nowhere in Utah. Or, now, when you're in southwestern Connecticut, or Rye, or Greenwich, all those places, there is incredible, that's incredibly desirable. Your house can be torn down, the land is still tremendously valuable. When you're building out in the middle of nowhere, that's a whole other situation.

• 1:34:55Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  It gets sketchy.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Well, that's why I follow this account that's like, uh, huge garage houses or whatever the hell is.

• 1:35:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, barn, barn dominiums. I like the barn dominiums.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  It's similar, but it's basically like mansions around the country that have garages bigger than the house, essentially. And it's a, oh, high octane garage, that's what it is. And all of these houses are like, look at this, eight bedroom, three swimming pool, you know, 15 car garage, 1.2 million dollars.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  And you go, wow, that's, you can't buy a house anywhere in Los Angeles for that, but it is next to.

• 1:35:24Matt Farah?

  And then you look at Google Maps.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's next to an operating farm 20 miles from the nearest town.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  A cattle farm that smells all the time.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  Someone basically built a man cave, but it's a whole house. Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and they're still having trouble selling it, even though it's, even though it's cheap by the standards of a 10,000 square foot house with a 12 car garage, because nobody wants to do that. And the few people who do kind of want to design their own thing. They don't want to get into somebody else's built in 1994 14 car garage house. That's not their thing. It's a disaster situation.

• 1:35:53Matt Farah?

  But, okay, to circle back around, Stradman's views are down. I'm sorry to hear that, Stradman.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Your views are down.

• 1:35:58Matt Farah?

  Ours are like fucked down. Ours are really bad.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  You know what I think happened?

• 1:36:04Matt Farah?

  Shorts?

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Chinese. Yeah, shorts, TikTok.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  And other things like TikTok.

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  We're hoping for a TikTok ban, am I right?

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  Let's go.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, bring them back to YouTube. You know, they're, they're protectionist about the vehicle car industry. Let's be protectionist about your favorite local influencers.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  Let's put tariffs on them.

• 1:36:22Matt Farah?

  American influencers first.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  We need a YouTube ally in the White House cabinet to investigate TikTok.

• 1:36:27Matt Farah?

  Let's, let's cancel all international influencer visas.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Totally. This is why you can't trust Chris Harris in that Jaguar XJS situation. He's a British influencer. Don't watch his content. The, the throttle house?

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:36:39Matt Farah?

  No Canada. No Canada.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Doesn't, no, we need to tariff that. Trump said 25% tariffs. He should, you should only be able to watch 25% of their video.

• 1:36:47Matt Farah?

  And you can't tell which 25%, you just move this slider and randomly drops.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  The middle. You don't get the fun intro and you don't get their concluding thoughts.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  I do think shorts is a big factor. I will tell you this. Here's a little.

• 1:36:58Matt Farah?

  Do you make shorts?

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  A little tip for you. I got a little tip. Podcast shorts have been doing unbelievably well for us. Not for money. We put up a podcast short, it gets 20 million views, we make 11 US dollars.

• 1:37:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  I can't even buy a poke bowl at Sprouts.

• 1:37:16Matt Farah?

  What we found about podcast shorts is they don't convert to views of the regular podcast.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  That is also true. So there are some issues.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  So that's the thing for us.

• 1:37:27Matt Farah?

  You do this thing that doesn't make money, does not drive to people.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Audience, but it gets views in the moment.

• 1:37:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  Okay, so here's some numbers.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  This year, YouTube Shorts got 70 billion daily views, which is more than double the number they got in 2021. So like, it's literally eating more.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  And Instagram Reels too, by the way, that's where it really blows up.

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  Short content in general, obviously. TikTok won and has a great algorithm, and that set the precedent. And then it took a couple of years for YouTube and Reels to catch up, but I think they are.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  They are.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Where they're pulling viewers away from long form.

• 1:38:01Speaker 01

  This is the name of the game now, is like, shorts, shorts, shorts.

• 1:38:04Matt Farah?

  And YouTube has also divided the revenue share to shorts. So if you...

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  Supposedly. Although that's never really... They're like, oh, well, the short is only two minutes and your video is 26 minutes and it works out proportionally. It may, but a two-minute short doesn't take like that little amount of time to... If you want to make a good short, it requires time and effort.

• 1:38:25Matt Farah?

  Our revenue was cut by a third when they started paying out shorts.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  Are you doing shorts?

• 1:38:30Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  You gotta do pod shorts. You guys say funny stuff in this pod.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  I know, but we did it for two years. I mean, we paid a team to like, cut them and stuff.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to see them all the time.

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  And yeah, but again, it brought us no money.

• 1:38:42Matt Farah?

  It did not translate into actual streams or downloads.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  It's like advertising, which I already taught you about at the start of the podcast. You gotta do it a lot. Two years wasn't enough, you gotta do six years.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  Six years, then maybe someone will come watch the show.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Six years of paying people, and then maybe you'll get a couple more viewers to the pod.

• 1:38:58Matt Farah?

  We never got a single...

• 1:39:03Matt Farah?

  Noticeable result from any of it.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, but you gotta be on it. You can't not.

• 1:39:08Matt Farah?

  But you have to do it.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  You gotta do it.

• 1:39:09Matt Farah?

  Because what are you gonna do? Not do it?

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  What are you gonna do? Not do it?

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  You sound exactly like a marketing team that's trying to sell their service of cutting shorts.

• 1:39:15Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna not do it, Doug.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  I know it's not helping you, but, but listen, guys.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Everyone's doing it.

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  Everyone's doing it. What are you, not doing it? You're actually, Stradman, he's doing it.

• 1:39:23Matt Farah?

  Not doing it. Building another building.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Everyone's overlevered on their house. Are you not gonna do it?

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  If you get an F-50, I would.

• 1:39:31Matt Farah?

  I'm building another building so we can fit more cars, so people can live in urban areas and still collect cars.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  And that's because, me and you, we've talked about this before, but I want to reiterate it, especially if Hoovy's watching. Hoovy, are you watching? Freddie Tavorish, are you watching? Creating a business on the back of your content success is the only real way to get successful in this industry.

• 1:39:50Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  And people hate me now for it. "Oh, you're a, you're a sellout." Oh, fine.

• 1:39:56Matt Farah?

  How are you a sellout? That's dumb. You're not a sellout.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  People are like, "Oh, you only shill cars on the site." Well, it's like, not really. If you watch the videos, like, it's kinda, it's kinda the same. I kind of review the car the same way.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  Are you selling a lot of EX90s on the site?

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  Well, that's the other thing. I'm saying a lot of them are new cars. We're not selling any cyber stores, although I wish we were.

• 1:40:15Matt Farah?

  Wait, how do I drive that?

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  You don't. You don't. You're not allowed. Okay, it was special. No, here's what happened, okay?

• 1:40:20Matt Farah?

  No dynamic analysis whatsoever.

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  All right, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you how it went down, and, and you'll get on the list now. I, on our podcast, made fun of the Yangwang U8.

• 1:40:31Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  I'm sure you're well aware of the U8. In case, for some small modicum of possibility you are not, it is a Chinese sport utility vehicle that can float.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  I'm not making this up.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  Oh, this is the one that also did axis turns, yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Obviously, we made fun of that. I was like, "Oh, we could get out on the harbor and drive our U8." But apparently, when it's floating, it only goes 5 miles an hour, which is BS, because OE on the road, it has 1,000 horsepower. But in the water, it's limited to 5.

• 1:41:02Matt Farah?

  That's so funny.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  Like a paddle boat.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  It needs paddles.

• 1:41:04Matt Farah?

  5 is not as slow as it sounds when you're in a car on water. I just want to put that out there.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Where are the tires grabbing onto, Doug?

• 1:41:11Matt Farah?

  I have a captain's license. I have a lot of boating experience. When you're on the water, in a car, 5 is okay.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  If you put a more aggressive propeller on the back, it might go six.

• 1:41:24Matt Farah?

  The move, the real move, Doug, is you gotta go down to Balboa Island. You know, where the ferry is? And just fucking drive down that ramp into the water.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  I don't need to wait for the ferry. And then go to the other side, the peninsula, and everybody's like, what's this guy doing?

• 1:41:37Matt Farah?

  Boss move.

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  And I'd be like, no, I know exactly what I'm doing. I gotta yang, wang, you wait.

• 1:41:41Matt Farah?

  Technically, that might be a crime, but also it might not be a crime. I don't know.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  There's no law for that, what?

• 1:41:46Matt Farah?

  Who would ever drive down the launch ramp?

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  The problem is that once you float the car, you gotta take it to the dealership, and there's a thorough service that needs to be completed.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  You don't say.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Mostly because the car was just floating in water. So, naturally, we made fun of this car.

• 1:42:00Matt Farah?

  Is the point, is the point of this that you can drive it, if you were to drive it into water, you won't sink and die? Is that the idea?

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  In China, the cars are all thousand horsepower electric cars. And so they, they're trying to come up with little ways to distinguish the cars from one another. And so, in this particular case, the car floats.

• 1:42:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  Okay? I think it would have been cool if it had antlers. Instead, it has three lidar things. Volvo can't even do one.

• 1:42:22Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, those, do those lidars work? Like, what do they do?

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  Uh, they, well, one of them is probably sonar.

• 1:42:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  Okay, so, the point is, we made fun of that car, and then we got contacted, or maybe we contacted some Chinese car youtubers.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  So it can talk to whales while it's in the water?

• 1:42:38Speaker 01

  It can talk to the whales.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  Um, and the whales are like, why are you so slow? Anyway, so, we found, we got hooked up with Chinese youtubers somehow, and they were like, we're bringing all these cars to the US, why don't we bring them to you?

• 1:42:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  And I was like, great, I wanna review the floating car. And they were like, oh, no.

• 1:42:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  You can't, and also, when it floats, it's gotta go in for service. And I was like, alright, how about the Cyberster? And they're like, okay, fine. So they brought us that. It's apparently these Chinese youtubers who were given like a government edict to like go share Chinese cars with the world.

• 1:43:08Matt Farah?

  I met with them.

• 1:43:09Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 1:43:09Matt Farah?

  I know who you're talking about. I had lunch with these guys.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  So what's the problem?

• 1:43:13Matt Farah?

  Well, the problem was, they wanted me to go to China and review cars in China.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:18Matt Farah?

  Which I actually said I would be interested in doing.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  Really? You don't think you're gonna get...

• 1:43:22Matt Farah?

  I've never been. I'd like to go.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Aren't you afraid of...

• 1:43:25Matt Farah?

  No. I'd like to try going. But, they were like, "Great, it's next week." I was like, "I'm sorry, what? You want me to come to China in like, five days?" Like, yeah. I'm like, "No."

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:36Matt Farah?

  So I said, "Why don't you hit me up if some of these cars come here, otherwise we could plan something for 25." They never called me again.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Well, they... I'll put them in touch with you. And...

• 1:43:45Matt Farah?

  It's definitely the same people, though. They were talking about the government money, spreading Chinese cars to American audiences.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  And I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. The, uh... And by the way, where is my government money? You know?

• 1:43:55Matt Farah?

  You could've had the PPP loan, dude. You could've had it. It was there.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  I wanted it from the Chinese government.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  So, by the way, nice badge on the front of that. Um, I... So they brought the cars down, and then...

• 1:44:06Matt Farah?

  It looks like a drawing of a pregnant woman.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  It kinda does. And then, much in the way they wanted you to come to China, they said, "Hey, look, the U8..." I couldn't review the U8. And the reason for that is the U8 is in Alaska, and actually, they're sending all the cars right now to Alaska.

• 1:44:17Matt Farah?

  For cold weather testing, or...

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  No, just to like, do videos in the snow. And I... And they were like, "If you come to Alaska." And they... We shot these cars two weeks ago, and they were like, "It's next week, come to Alaska." Which actually, to me, is even less appealing than "Next week, go to China." It's... No, it's December.

• 1:44:32Matt Farah?

  It's cold. Yeah, it's winter in Alaska.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  And I was like, "No." And then they offered us, apparently, some decent sum of money, like 20 grand. "I'll give you 20 grand, you come to Alaska." And I was like, "No."

• 1:44:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  Partially because that money would filter to the business, and not to me directly. And so that didn't happen. The cars are all in Alaska right now. So if you wanna drive a Cyberster, I think you have to go to Fairbanks.

• 1:44:54Speaker 01

  But they're gonna come back.

• 1:44:55Matt Farah?

  That's a no. But I would drive it in Los Angeles. Um, and I was interested in going. They didn't say anything about paying me, but they did say they would cover the transport and whatever.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  I get the sense, with the Chinese and the Vietnamese, like Vinfast offered me money, too. And I was like, "No."

• 1:45:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they offered me money to go on that, on that thing. I can't take it.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't do that.

• 1:45:12Matt Farah?

  I'm not taking it.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  What amount would you take and not disclose?

• 1:45:16Matt Farah?

  From an OEM? I've turned down, I've turned down.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  Really OEMs have offered you money?

• 1:45:20Matt Farah?

  I've turned down.

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  Nobody's ever offered me money?

• 1:45:22Matt Farah?

  Not to like, just like, not to pretend to review. But they've, they've asked, OEMs have asked me to make influencer level content for their social.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  Is this what they're doing with the TikTokers?

• 1:45:36Matt Farah?

  I'm sure.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  The TikTokers can't make money any other way.

• 1:45:39Matt Farah?

  I'm 100% certain, yeah, I'm sure they are.

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  I mean TikTok pays out revenue too, but I think there's probably, there's probably a lot of influencers as there were on YouTube. On TikTok that go, here's the thing and here's the five things about it and dibba dibba dibba.

• 1:45:50Matt Farah?

  I've talked to TikTok, because you know, now, now TikTokers are like on press launches. Like the same way that like, okay, we were YouTubers and that was a new thing and the old magazine guys.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  When I went to Lexus UZ launch?

• 1:46:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  Which by the way, that's a real car, no Arzy. There were TikTokers there.

• 1:46:05Matt Farah?

  So there were, there have been TikTokers in the last dozen events I've been on. And some of them have told me that they were getting paid.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  So the automakers are like, we don't, we're not above this.

• 1:46:15Matt Farah?

  No, no, they're not at all.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  They weren't above it with YouTube.

• 1:46:18Matt Farah?

  No, they're not above it at all.

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  That we won't talk, like, they were doing YouTube reviews and they were getting paid big money and because of, yeah.

• 1:46:25Matt Farah?

  Which is like, I understand why audiences accuse us of shit like that. It's because there are people taking the fucking money.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:32Matt Farah?

  It's just that there, you don't get, you don't get credit for not taking the money.

• 1:46:36Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. That's, that's the baseline assumption.

• 1:46:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:39Speaker 01

  One thing that has always annoyed me, because I like was militant about not taking the money to the point where when I went to press launches, I paid. One thing that was always really beneficial was YouTube was a golden era where you actually could make the money doing the bit, doing the job. Whereas TikTok, you should see, we talked to a TikToker, uh, nameless, who told me that he got 100 million views in a month and made 7 grand.

• 1:46:59Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  They don't, 100 million views, 7, and that's pre-tax.

• 1:47:03Matt Farah?

  So you have to get 100, 100X more views than on a YouTube video to make basically the same amount of revenue.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:47:10Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  And so like, you kind of understand why they have to do 100 million views.

• 1:47:16Matt Farah?

  Imagine being able to tell someone.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  I got 100 million views.

• 1:47:19Matt Farah?

  And they're going, yeah.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  No TV show in the history of the world has ever gotten that. He did it in a month. And you know what he made? Enough to like cover rent. He told me that his dream, he lived in California, he told me his dream was to buy a house in California. I'm like, dude, if I was getting 100 million views on YouTube, I would buy Modesto. It's wild to me. But so you start to understand why the TikTokers have to take money because they don't make the money coming in off of TikTok. It does pay out, but it doesn't pay out like. Yeah, I didn't know it was that low. Wow. Isn't that crazy?

• 1:47:49Matt Farah?

  YouTube 2018 was really the one you wanted. That was 2018 was a big old year for the smoking tire. We had volume of videos and a real healthy base.

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  18, 19, 20, 21. They were my, they were my years. And it's still going, but like YouTube, even if I was doing the same number of views as before, I mean, it's just the things aren't, the things aren't there, like the situation isn't there. And I don't think anybody's doing those views. A lot of people migrated off the TikTok. And I see comments sometimes like, I could get all this information on a TikTok. It's like, well, I don't think that's true, but at the same time, like I get it. If you're, if you're, if you're not like, if you're interested in an EX90, you'll watch a long video about it because you want to know. If you're just a casual person who wants to see a couple of glove boxes open, see it on your reel, scroll to the next one.

• 1:48:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, it's, look, you're, you got other things going on now. It's, I mean, the videos are the marketing for the auction site. I mean, that's right now, I mean, when here at West Side, it's, it's obviously much lower revenue than an auction site. Fewer people and whatever, but you know, how do people find us? 70% Google Maps, 30% the smoking tire.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  Well, this is, this is a real business and that's my thing. And I tell this, I've told this, I've talked to this before on the show, but I really believe it's so important. Like I talked to all these guys like Hoovy, like you got to start a business and they're all, they all say the same thing, which is what do you mean? Like YouTube is so time consuming. How do I possibly build a building and you gotta figure it out.

• 1:49:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  Because it's not, you're not, it's not going to last. And so these guys are already seeing that.

• 1:49:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, you're, you're reliant on this other big machine that doesn't give a fuck about you.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:49:25Matt Farah?

  Giving a fuck about you and they won't.

• 1:49:27Speaker 01

  Not only do, will they not, but like, I think they're kind of incentivized to try to find and develop new people to kind of keep the churn. At some point, people get sick of Doug. You know, if I do a Valkyrie, they'll watch that, but like 20 years of Doug, people are like, yeah, maybe I want to watch Throttle House.

• 1:49:41Matt Farah?

  I think that YouTube is heavily incentivized to give. Young new creators, a big hit of both dopamine and money by feeding their video. You know, they're, my first video did 350,000 views. It didn't do it on its own, buddy. The system made that happen. And then they've got all this data. They know how much they paid you every month for the last 10 years. And they know at, based on everyone else, how little they can pay you before you quit.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:50:09Matt Farah?

  They, okay, they go, okay, well Doug, he would quit if this number got to here. So we'll just hover it about here.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  I have always felt, and it's kind of conspiratorial, but I have always felt that there's some, it's not, it's not purely democratic. There are some unseen hands behind the scenes that are like, we're gonna push this video a little higher, we're gonna do this. Sometimes ad revenue numbers aren't where they should be, sometimes in a positive direction.

• 1:50:31Matt Farah?

  It's probably not a human doing it. It's probably a program that a human wrote that looks for factors and moves the levers on its own.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  When I write the story of my life, I will say that I was the one who, I did it all.

• 1:50:43Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  That's how, that's how a lot of.

• 1:50:45Matt Farah?

  A rugged individual.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  It was all me.

• 1:50:47Matt Farah?

  I need nobody. Total libertarian.

• 1:50:50Speaker 01

  Right, it was all me. The truth is, there's an enormous amount of luck and my luck was that I did it at the right time.

• 1:50:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Which I didn't know at the time.

• 1:50:58Matt Farah?

  Everyone who's been successful has figured out a thing that worked at the time that, you know, us, me fucking going out and driving people's random ass cars for three years, worked really well at the time. It was awful.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  I know, but I'm sitting around here and I've watched every Stradman video. I already know every inch of that house. I made a little map on a, on a legal pad. And I'm like, where is this smoking tire one take content?

• 1:51:23Matt Farah?

  Every day, people are like, why don't you do that anymore? It's not that fun. It was frustrating.

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  It may not have been fun for you, but it was fun for me, the viewer.

• 1:51:34Matt Farah?

  Cool. Glad you enjoyed it.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  I like, I enjoyed doing it too, but the liability of it also, like. I don't know, becoming more of an adult.

• 1:51:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  It's just, there's a liability attached to that. You're driving a stranger's car.

• 1:51:47Matt Farah?

  Often modified.

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  We have insurance.

• 1:51:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Modified, we have insurance in that thing, but people seem to be crashing in the canyons more frequently, or maybe they're just being filmed more frequently.

• 1:51:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  You're also driving a modified car, it was modified by a person, maybe a shop, maybe not. How was it modified? Did they skip one of the brakes? Maybe? So there's that, like, there's just a lot of it that, for me personally, it just felt like the risk was going up and the reward, which was, it was so fun to experience other people's cars, and I like the stories they would tell, why they did these things.

• 1:52:16Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  But the effort plus reliability attached to it just was like, ugh, I don't know.

• 1:52:21Matt Farah?

  I started running out of cars.

• 1:52:23Speaker 02

  He ran out of cars.

• 1:52:23Matt Farah?

  I ran out of cars. And, and, and at the same time I started running out of cars, people started getting more flaky. People would not show up, you know, I'd schedule them, they wouldn't show up, and da, da. And I really found myself judging the owner of the cars, like, choices, as opposed to judging, you know, Ford wants you to spend 80 grand on a dark horse, should you?

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:52:45Matt Farah?

  Big company.

• 1:52:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:52:46Matt Farah?

  And, and it was, it just stopped being, you know, that, that thirst for, I want to try everything.

• 1:52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:53Matt Farah?

  I hit the, I hit the end of that.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  I also think, and it, it could have been that it was me on the screen, not Matt, but I think that the trend of video has shifted towards higher production values. Like, there was, there was a time, I mean, the one takes hit hard when, like, the vlogger style, uncut stuff was doing really well, but now, like-

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  It's changed.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  Thrall House or anything, everyone's doing really high level stuff.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  YouTube always made the most sense with a low level of production value from a financial perspective.

• 1:53:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  And in fact, our friends over at Motor Trend ostensibly left YouTube, in part because it was difficult to make money producing the type of content they wanted. I have always found it interesting that, I have started to find it interesting that now things are swinging back towards that high production content. That's what people want to see. But the drawback is, like, it's hard, you, how do you make money doing that?

• 1:53:40Matt Farah?

  You can't, it's not possible.

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  You can't.

• 1:53:42Matt Farah?

  No, we did a thing in 2023, we committed at the beginning, was it 20, beginning of 23 or beginning of 24?

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:53:48Matt Farah?

  When we attempted to write scripts, increase our production value, and create what we were told people wanted, higher production, and-

• 1:53:59Matt Farah?

  We probably got a 50% increase in views by doing it, but it probably took four times longer and more, and so it wasn't worth the increase.

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  You know who's got a great situation is that Jason Camisa fellow.

• 1:54:12Matt Farah?

  Yes, definitely, just, we could just go to work for an insurance company. That'll just solve all the problems, yeah.

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  They are saving driving.

• 1:54:19Matt Farah?

  Saving driving.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  They own Radwood.

• 1:54:22Matt Farah?

  Yes, saving driving.

• 1:54:24Speaker 01

  They saved driving already with the Radwood purchase.

• 1:54:28Matt Farah?

  It's saved, it's been saved.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  No, he's got a good situation.

• 1:54:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, having, working for a company that doesn't want to make money on their videos is a good position to be in. Yeah, it is. He, he's, he's got, he does a great job. He's got a good budget, he does a great job. They, they make use of their resources, so good for them.

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  What do you think about him and Lieberman? I always feel that they should have gone off and done their own thing.

• 1:54:52Matt Farah?

  They have this weird frenemy thing happening.

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  Well, I know, I know that, and everybody in the business either hates or likes, but hates each other.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  Like, I go to press launches and I'm like, I don't remember if we hate each other or not. I like them all, but a lot-

• 1:55:05Matt Farah?

  You find out by the second drink.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  But like, why don't they, why don't, this is a contention I've had for a long time. You're friends with these, both of these guys. You need to, you need to get in their ear. Why don't they both go out and start their own thing? Lieberman, why doesn't he have his own YouTube channel? He should have done this five years ago. What's the deal there?

• 1:55:20Matt Farah?

  I think, I think Motor Trend has always dangled sort of just enough in front of him to keep him engaged, I think.

• 1:55:27Speaker 01

  But his audience, he could make a YouTube channel.

• 1:55:31Matt Farah?

  He has, I think he has personally a better audience than Motor Trend is offering him.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. People know Johnny, but a lot of people know Johnny, don't even know that he works for Motor Trend.

• 1:55:39Matt Farah?

  A lot of people watch Camisa's videos and couldn't tell you if Hagerty sells fucking eggs, or insurance, or homes.

• 1:55:45Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:55:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  So what's the deal there? Why doesn't Camisa go out and make the money all for himself?

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Well, as we just talked about, making the money is very, very hard. Especially the production value of those videos.

• 1:55:53Matt Farah?

  They're not making money, I think they're losing money.

• 1:55:55Speaker 01

  For Camisa, a part of it must be that he knows, he can't produce content like that on his own.

• 1:56:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you, you, he's losing money.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  Look, I mean, and that's, that's a really great system, because you need a sponsor to pay for those videos. They cost a lot of money. But also Hagerty's a brand that has a reach to a lot of different customers that have cars that he can film for different videos. And they also have a pull and relationship with the OEMs. I mean, I, I don't-

• 1:56:21Speaker 02

  It'd be hard to imagine a sponsor or partner that has a better network and resources than just money.

• 1:56:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point. Nonetheless, I'm a big supporter of when people own their own stuff.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Sure, I get it.

• 1:56:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure. But Johnny's been with Motor Trend for so long, it's probably like all he knows.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:41Matt Farah?

  You know, starting a new channel from zero today.

• 1:56:43Speaker 01

  It would be hard, it would be hard. But it wouldn't have been so hard five years ago when I first started harping about this to my friends and I never told Johnny, but I probably should have.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  He's listening, going, "You're calling me what the hell?"

• 1:56:53Matt Farah?

  Dude, I've drank three waters and two coffees. I have to pee so bad. Y'all talk about yourself. Sorry. I'm normally what I do on the show.

• 1:56:58Speaker 01

  What do we got to talk about, Zach? What are you driving?

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Same, M3. But you want to see the photo of what it's doing right now?

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  Uh oh, you've got a S54 problem.

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  It's getting wrapped because my clear coat was peeling in six different places.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  Do you know what the prep procedure is for wrapping, really properly wrapping a car that has really bad clear coat?

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  No, what, they got to peel it off?

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  They sand the car down, but they also were like, "Hey, we can fix all the little pits and spots that are all over your cars from 140,000 miles of road rash. Do you want us to do that?" And I was like, "Yeah, sure. Like, let's just go for it. There's no coming back anyway."

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:33Speaker 02

  I knew that.

• 1:57:34Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  Look how many problems my car has.

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  It's like a police shooting and all the bullet holes are marked.

• 1:57:41Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:57:42Speaker 01

  What color are you wrapping it?

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  Obsidian green metallic, so it should be close to Oxford green, which is OEM.

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  What are you gonna do with the paint underneath?

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Well, eventually...

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  Are you just gonna leave it like this?

• 1:57:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:54Speaker 01

  Because you're wrapping it, so who cares?

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  I'm wrapping it, so who cares?

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  So you're gonna leave it with all the little black lines and holes and everything?

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, because all of that is, they filled all the little spots and it's all sanded perfectly down.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  Right, so the finish is perfect, it's just that it's not the color.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Right, it's perfectly smooth, it just looks like it's not.

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  And then you'll sell this car in three years in Cars and Bids with the wrap on and be like, "You know, the paint looked good the last time."

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  I mean, if I want to sell it in a couple of years, I'll be very honest about what happened. Like, here's the value of the wrap and here's what's been done to it. Or I have to make a choice in five years and go, "I guess I'll paint this car."

• 1:58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  Or it'll become a race car because the cost of painting a car, as we just discussed, even on a car that's not worth $3 million, is expensive.

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  How many miles do you have on this car?

• 1:58:33Speaker 02

  145,000.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  Have you had to do cats?

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  I got a buddy who had one, and cats were 10 grand.

• 1:58:41Matt Farah?

  On what?

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  E46M3. Are you serious?

• 1:58:43Matt Farah?

  Ten? My, my-

• 1:58:45Speaker 01

  Or like eight, but like in that range.

• 1:58:47Speaker 02

  So glad I haven't had to do that.

• 1:58:48Matt Farah?

  So get this, my trainer, uh, just, he trained, he's got a van. It's got all his gear in it, you know, I have a gym at my house, so he comes in, we train. But he also can train people in parks or whatever. So he's got a big, he just bought a Ford, a used Ford Transit. Commercial van, right? He buys it in Oregon, drives it back. Halfway through the fucking drive home, and he got a PPI, he did everything I, I did. Halfway through the drive home, check engine light comes on. He gets home, back to California, bad cat. From a fucking, a three-year-old van he bought in Oregon. Forty-eight hundred dollars-

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  You know-

• 1:59:23Matt Farah?

  For a commercial fucking Ford Transit.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  Registered that thing in Montana for about six fifty.

• 1:59:27Matt Farah?

  I listened, I, I, and I was like, hey, here's some options. Here's some options. I was like, you can go Montana, which is shady. Or I said, you can, um, sign this employment agreement and drive around on my dealer tag.

• 1:59:41Speaker 01

  I'll do that. Can I do that? What, what, what would you charge me to do that?

• 1:59:45Matt Farah?

  To drive on your dealer tag?

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  On your dealer tag.

• 1:59:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, on the record, you may not drive on my dealer tag.

• 1:59:49Speaker 01

  We'll talk later.

• 1:59:50Matt Farah?

  You'd have to be an employee of my, of my dealership, of my company.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:59:54Matt Farah?

  And, uh-

• 1:59:55Speaker 01

  Can I pay you to be an employee?

• 1:59:57Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:59:57Speaker 01

  Okay, let me ask you-

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, if I get here with the eight thousand dollar cat bill.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  Let me ask you, on the Johnny Lieberman subject, you, you're buddies with Johnny, you could like, call him up.

• 2:00:04Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  Who is the most famous person you could call up? You.

• 2:00:08Matt Farah?

  Who's the most famous person I could call?

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  You get on the phone, hey, it's me, Matt, they're like, oh!

• 2:00:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean, I suppose Joe Rogan.

• 2:00:16Speaker 01

  You, if you called Joe Rogan, you think he'd take your call and be like, hey, man?

• 2:00:19Matt Farah?

  Yes, I do.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  But Joe Rogan's pretty famous.

• 2:00:21Matt Farah?

  Len, I mean, Leno, I guess, I could call him.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  You've got Leno's number?

• 2:00:24Matt Farah?

  I do.

• 2:00:25Speaker 01

  Whatever he calls me, he calls me from blocked number.

• 2:00:26Matt Farah?

  No way, really? That's so funny, I, I have, he, he did not block his number when he called me, yeah.

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  Ferris got the Leno up.

• 2:00:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, do I know anybody more famous than that?

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Yes, but I don't know if I want to name them.

• 2:00:39Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 2:00:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. We get some people we don't talk about here on the show.

• 2:00:43Matt Farah?

  Someone I know more famous than that?

• 2:00:45Speaker 01

  Brad Pitt keeps his car. It's hard to be more famous than Joe.

• 2:00:47Matt Farah?

  I don't have Seinfeld's number. I mean, if he was sitting here, we'd have a great conversation, but I don't have Jerry's number.

• 2:00:53Speaker 01

  Did you read the whole Jay Leno fell down a hill story?

• 2:00:56Matt Farah?

  No, I saw the headline and I saw his face afterwards. It didn't look great.

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  I'm gonna tell you the story. Buckle up, it's the wildest. So I also saw the headline and I was like, that sounds crazy, but like, okay, whatever. And for some reason, the next day, I decided to dig further into it.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  This is like the opening to Serial, season three.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  It's like that.

• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  The Hill.

• 2:01:12Speaker 01

  Honestly, it's like, the whole story's like, Jay Leno, a man who is probably worth a half a bill. I don't know, 250 mil. He's got a McLaren F1.

• 2:01:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, he's rich as fuck.

• 2:01:21Speaker 01

  He's in suburban Pittsburgh, staying at a Hampton Inn.

• 2:01:26Matt Farah?

  Was he doing a gig?

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  He's doing a gig. He's in suburban Pittsburgh, staying in a Hampton Inn. Thirty miles outside Pittsburgh. I'm not talking about like, he was at the Hampton Inn. He's like, rural Pennsylvania, but like, close enough that those people maybe go into Pittsburgh for a show. Okay? Thirty miles outside Pittsburgh, staying at the Hampton Inn. This is Jay Leno, McLaren F1 owner. He's at the Hampton Inn and he decides, this is what was reported and I verified it all on Google Street View. He decides he wants to get some wings from the Wings Place in the strip mall next door. Whose anchor tenant is like a party supply company, where they sell confetti.

• 2:02:04Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, all of this is tracking so far. This all sounds just like Jay.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  The Hampton Inn is elevated on a hill from the Wings Place. You can walk to the end of the parking lot of Hampton Inn, turn around and walk all the way to the Wings Place, or you can try the hill. And by the way, the hill has like a dirt path that people have walked in over the years, a desire path that people have walked in to get, presumably, to the Wings Place. He's walking down the hill, which is a pretty severe hill, trips and falls, hurts himself. Goes on to do the gig that night. This was lunchtime. Goes on to do the gig that night in front of a crowd of like 2,000 people, and then that's the story.

• 2:02:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, here's the hill?

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Here's the hill. This is literally the hill.

• 2:02:43Matt Farah?

  It's not that bad of a hill.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  That's the Hampton Inn, that's the desire path. And the parking lot is where the Wings Place is.

• 2:02:49Matt Farah?

  I'm 100% walking down that dirt path.

• 2:02:51Speaker 01

  Totally. But I'm thinking my-

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Also, he is 70.

• 2:02:54Matt Farah?

  It's Pittsburgh.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  I'm thinking to myself, how many McLaren F1 owners are staying at this Hampton Inn in suburban Pittsburgh, trying to go get wings, and by the way, the wings place is one of those, it's probably like a 3-3 on Google.

• 2:03:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's probably B-Dubs, dude. It's probably Buffalo Wild Wings.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  It's one of those places with like a neon, you know, like it's not.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Dino's Sport Lounge. He was headed to Dino's Sport Lounge that specializes in Buffalo chicken wings. This is from Reddit, according from R Pittsburgh.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  This guy has a McLaren F1 and he's going down a little path to get to Dino's Sport Lounge.

• 2:03:25Speaker 02

  He shaved 350 feet off of his walk by going down that hill.

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  To be fair to him, I looked at the street view. It is a long, to go all the way around.

• 2:03:32Matt Farah?

  It seems annoying, yeah. Other people have bought into the walk down the hill theory with this Mormon path.

• 2:03:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just don't.

• 2:03:38Matt Farah?

  What's actually the weirdest part of this story, he told me once, um, that he doesn't stay in hotels. He goes and does a gig and they fly him home.

• 2:03:48Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 2:03:49Matt Farah?

  Either they fly him back to his home in LA, or they fly him to his home in Rhode Island.

• 2:03:55Speaker 01

  Someone told me, or he intimated at one point to me that he uses a private jet, which shouldn't surprise me because he has a lot of gigs.

• 2:03:59Matt Farah?

  Well, it's usually, it's usually the, it's not his. It's, it's the gig sends the plane for him. It's part of the promoter and whatever.

• 2:04:08Speaker 01

  It is interesting to me that a guy who's flying private is staying at the Hampton Inn.

• 2:04:13Matt Farah?

  That's, that's the part that does not add up because he normally would get a fucking black car back to the airport and fly home.

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  Is there a venue near there and that was the only option?

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I know, I think the whole thing seemed reasonable, except that like, it's insane.

• 2:04:26Matt Farah?

  It's so funny that he, I mean, other than the cars, which are obviously excessive by anyone's standard, right? He really doesn't live like a rich guy. You know, he's like, his, his, his taste level is not particularly, I don't want to say it's not sophisticated, but like, he's, he doesn't give a shit about a lot of things that rich people give a shit about.

• 2:04:48Speaker 01

  Oh, and, and totally. He grew up in a world that isn't that and he, he doesn't care.

• 2:04:52Speaker 02

  That's just so great. I think that's great about him. I love that aspect though.

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Me too. I'm having this happen to me more and more. Chris Rock has this bit where he says, "I'm rich, but I identify as poor." I'm having this happen to me more and more. I don't identify as poor. I was never poor, but like, I, I don't know what rich people do. I never was around them. Like, people have private chefs. I'm like. That's a thing?

• 2:05:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  I don't know about any of this. You could just have a dude come to your house and cook. Does he get the ingredients?

• 2:05:15Matt Farah?

  I, I, I know a couple of people that have private chefs. It's, it's kind of a thing.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  I find it to be like the whole thing. And that's how, that's how I view Leno. He like, hasn't really, even though he's a rich guy, he doesn't know that he, like, someone needs to tap him and be like, dude, listen.

• 2:05:28Matt Farah?

  Well, that's why when he said, you know, when he goes, I don't stay in hotels, I fly home from the gig. And I go, you know what? If I was that fucking rich and still doing gigs, presumably for his own entertainment, it's not like he needs the money.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:40Matt Farah?

  So he's doing gigs for fun. Okay, well, if I'm gonna keep doing gigs, what do I want? What would make that better? Not staying at the Hampton Inn.

• 2:05:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:47Matt Farah?

  Why not? That would make that better.

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  If I had to, I would probably try to stay at the nicest hotel in Pittsburgh, which probably there is one.

• 2:05:53Matt Farah?

  That probably is the nicest hotel.

• 2:05:55Speaker 01

  To the venue. That's what I would do.

• 2:05:57Matt Farah?

  That's.

• 2:05:57Speaker 01

  They got Chevy Suburbans in Pittsburgh and probably hotels with some.

• 2:06:00Matt Farah?

  What if he's got a Gumball?

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, what if he's got, like, there's a garage outside Pittsburgh that he likes? There's a car being worked on. Like, where, where does Wayne Carini live?

• 2:06:10Matt Farah?

  He's in Connecticut. He's by, uh, he's by Lime Rock.

• 2:06:12Speaker 01

  But, but.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  So, kind of in the middle of nowhere.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  You know, you know, Myron Vernis told me that one time he was like sitting in his, you know, that shop he has in, you've been there? And he says he gets a call from Leno and he's like, hey, I'm doing a gig tomorrow. Can you, wanna come get chicken wings with me? And they go to the place and it's like four o'clock, place doesn't open for two hours. They knock on the door and like Jay Leno like puts his face in the window. They're like, alright, yeah, we'll open up.

• 2:06:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Speaker 01

  And he and Jay just kinda stood there and.

• 2:06:33Matt Farah?

  Leno pulling rank means getting wings before open.

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  Getting wings.

• 2:06:37Speaker 02

  Great.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  And just kinda sat there and I was like, that's probably what he does. He probably has like a network of car people and just sort of talks about cars and does his gig and, or comedy.

• 2:06:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, I only have his number, cause every time I call from him, I get a call from him, which is not often, but it's like, it's something weird. You know? Hey, I heard you got a turbo R, you know, be careful with the this and this there with the shop. We changed the thing and then, alright, I don't even know how you know I got a turbo R, but here we are.

• 2:07:02Speaker 01

  Do you, does he text you?

• 2:07:04Matt Farah?

  Yes, he does sometimes.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:07:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:06Speaker 01

  Texting Leno.

• 2:07:07Matt Farah?

  He's, he's, he's alright.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  I'm over here, I'm over here texting like my wife.

• 2:07:12Matt Farah?

  My wife also texts me.

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  You haven't met famous people?

• 2:07:17Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 2:07:17Speaker 02

  Cause they know you, people know you.

• 2:07:20Matt Farah?

  Jerry absolutely knows.

• 2:07:21Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I told you, I was on this thing one time, I told you Jerry Seinfeld walked up to me, the first time I ever met him and said, hey Doug, I watch all your videos.

• 2:07:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, isn't that weird?

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  It was the scariest moment of my life.

• 2:07:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that happened to me too.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  He was just on Spikes and talked about his YouTube obsession and that he watches these like really specific like dialed in YouTube channels about like guys doing only Volvo 240 restos and stuff. And it really is frightening to me. Whenever I review a Porsche, I'm like, oh god, Jerry's gonna see this.

• 2:07:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, things got 800,000 views and one of them's Seinfeld.

• 2:07:49Speaker 01

  Right. Who else do you think's watching? You think Obama's watching? Do you think Trump's watching?

• 2:07:52Matt Farah?

  No.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  What about Trump? Trump had a 430 out of Diablo, remember?

• 2:07:56Speaker 02

  He's watching, he's watching his own content.

• 2:07:58Matt Farah?

  I think, I think there was a time that he just bought the most expensive sports car he could find.

• 2:08:02Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 2:08:03Matt Farah?

  That's, I'm not surprised.

• 2:08:05Speaker 01

  None of those guys will ever tell us they were watching, cause that's like giving it an endorsement.

• 2:08:09Matt Farah?

  When Jerry did, I was very, not only did he bring it up, he was like, I love that little notebook you carry around everywhere. I was like, do you want one? He's like, no. I'm like, alright, fine.

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  Do you want, do you want mine?

• 2:08:18Matt Farah?

  I like it for you.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Don't you agree that the dream in life is to get to the Jerry point of view where you don't really care, like you don't have to say, you can say whatever you want.

• 2:08:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:28Speaker 01

  And if it has negative repercussions, you don't, like he went on a thing in Spike about how he hates watching TV anymore because like actors are giving lines and he thinks that's stupid. And it's like, that was him for years, but now he's in a financial position where he can just say that. And it's like, if no one ever gives him lines ever give, it's like, wow.

• 2:08:45Matt Farah?

  No, he's, he's way into not giving a fuck, which is, which is actually pretty fun. I mean, it's nice to, to be around that. It's, it is a good time.

• 2:08:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:08:53Matt Farah?

  He's, he is definitely not on earth anymore.

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:08:57Matt Farah?

  Whatever.

• 2:08:58Speaker 01

  Right. We should all be so lucky.

• 2:09:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, we def, uh oh. Phones ringing dude, phones ringing dude, and it's Donny. And we're recording right now, so he's not...

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Donny, are you a Patreon member?

• 2:09:12Matt Farah?

  Are you? Donny's not in the Patreon. Um, but, but, the, uh, I do, there's a, there's a level of rich and success.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:22Matt Farah?

  Where you stop giving a fuck, but before you decide you want to bend the world to your way of life.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:30Matt Farah?

  That in-between.

• 2:09:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:31Matt Farah?

  You got toys, you got time.

• 2:09:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:33Matt Farah?

  You know, you don't really have anywhere to be.

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:36Matt Farah?

  But you're not like, you know what would be good if I entrenched my money and power?

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:41Matt Farah?

  For generations.

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jerry doesn't seem to care about any of that. I've never heard him say anything political.

• 2:09:45Matt Farah?

  He doesn't give a shit. Um, the one time he did, he did get, a couple of months ago, he got in some heat, cause he's, he did blame, as the thing that older white guys do, he blamed the left for cancelling, and actually, to his credit, he backtracked and he went, you know what, I was wrong. And he did say that later, so, I give him credit for that, he didn't have to. He could have just written that out.

• 2:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:07Matt Farah?

  But he actually did go back, "Donny's calling me again." He mu- someone must have given him the fucking stream, something. He don't call twice in, in a day. Unless he found my valve covers.

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  Just text him, text him and say, "I'm recording right now, what do you want?" Maybe Donny is the most famous person that you know?

• 2:10:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, maybe. Hang on. Oh, what's happened here? "Hey, I'm recording." What's up? Let's see, well, maybe we can, uh, we can figure out what's happening right now. Maybe he'll text back.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  Um. I can't believe you know all these famous people. I gotta get in there.

• 2:10:42Matt Farah?

  Cause I live in LA, they're just around.

• 2:10:43Speaker 01

  I gotta get in there.

• 2:10:44Matt Farah?

  It's not like these people sought me out, I just see them in LA.

• 2:10:47Speaker 01

  You know what annoys me?

• 2:10:49Matt Farah?

  What? A lot.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  I only know, from the car, the cars that I filmed.

• 2:10:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  I only know rich car owners. And that isn't particularly interesting to me.

• 2:11:02Matt Farah?

  Well, they're not interesting people.

• 2:11:04Speaker 01

  Someone who simply has money.

• 2:11:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:05Speaker 01

  That has like a 0% interest to me.

• 2:11:09Matt Farah?

  It could be negative, it could be, you're, uh, there's a lot of people that have these big car collections, who are actually to me, specifically less interesting.

• 2:11:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:19Matt Farah?

  Because of that.

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:21Matt Farah?

  "Oh Matt, you gotta meet this guy, he's got a, he's got this and this and this and this and this," and I go, "I don't care about any of that shit."

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  People tell me that kinda stuff all the time, and it's like, ah...

• 2:11:30Matt Farah?

  Don't care.

• 2:11:30Speaker 01

  I'm good.

• 2:11:31Matt Farah?

  I've seen cars. I know what they are.

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  I'm right. And I've driven them all and I just can't find any more rich people who are trying to buy their way into an audience. I just can't do it anymore.

• 2:11:41Matt Farah?

  The worst is if you're that rich and then you decide you want to be an influencer.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:46Matt Farah?

  It wasn't enough to be a billionaire.

• 2:11:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:48Matt Farah?

  Now I need.

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  Well, these people have a currency that is beyond money, which is views and likes and they're obsessed with it. They're obsessed with, because they've already made all the money.

• 2:11:57Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  They've conquered that world. Now they want to get into the likes and views world. And I just have so little respect for it. And I get a lot of these, like you, obviously, like a lot of these intros, like, yeah, you gotta meet this guy. Do I?

• 2:12:07Matt Farah?

  Why?

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  Just, you know, I mean, unless he's, unless he's the Sultan himself, in which case.

• 2:12:14Matt Farah?

  There are a couple of people that are interesting and cool despite the things that they own.

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:20Matt Farah?

  But it's almost always an exception and not, and not the rule, particularly in this city.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  People who, who don't have a ton of money don't realize that. They think that if you get a Countach, you're suddenly interesting. I have, like you're saying, I've literally found the opposite. That like, these people are just like, it's just rich guys who want to like, show off their stuff. And I just find that to be so dull. And I have to pretend to be interested.

• 2:12:44Matt Farah?

  The allocations, you know, and stuff, it's just.

• 2:12:47Speaker 01

  The Porsche specs.

• 2:12:48Matt Farah?

  Do you, isn't it crazy how for some people, allocations are so addictive? They buy cars they don't want. They buy cars they don't plan to keep. They buy cars in colors they didn't want or specs they didn't want. Just on the, the dangled promise of maybe getting an allocation for the next one.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  For the next one, not even that bad one.

• 2:13:12Matt Farah?

  Crazy. I have a, I have a person who I, uh, may or may not have kept cars with me in the past, that had to buy two extra Lamborghinis to get a Rivweltto allocation.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:13:24Matt Farah?

  Two.

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  Exclusivity, I think, is one of the most powerful drugs.

• 2:13:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  It's the saddest thing in the brain, which is serotonin, I think, but.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Which is, which is why all those multimillion dollar cars, those guys think that they're exclusive. I will say, Ed Bolian gave me the absolute classic line about, uh, allocations. He said, the way, the way to determine if a car is actually special, if the dealer has reached out to you for an allocation and you have done nothing to deserve it, don't buy a, a special car. Like, Strato, they were having trouble and still are. That ain't a special car.

• 2:14:00Matt Farah?

  That's just, you know, I understand why, but it actually is a special car. So you know, that might, that might be in 20 years, maybe it'll be a big money one. If you wanted a Lamborghini sports car to actually drive around every day, you want a Storato.

• 2:14:14Speaker 01

  I wanted one.

• 2:14:15Matt Farah?

  That's the right, remember you said you almost bought one?

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  I had, I had, I was choosing my spec, I was all ready to go and then I bought the Countach instead.

• 2:14:20Matt Farah?

  I mean, you made the right choice.

• 2:14:22Speaker 01

  Maybe, but like there are days when I wish I had a Storato with a tire on the roof and I think that'd be cool as hell.

• 2:14:26Matt Farah?

  Storatos are good.

• 2:14:27Speaker 01

  I will say, I'm not opposed to buying a Storato, I just am watching the market and I'mma wait this one out a little bit. I do think that car-

• 2:14:34Matt Farah?

  You're going in at 205?

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, or 1 and something. I do think that car has legs, long-term, and I think that a lot of the cars that are the most successful were hated in their time.

• 2:14:43Matt Farah?

  Sure, that's almost a guarantee.

• 2:14:45Speaker 01

  Ed's point was about flipping, like if you've been offered the car-

• 2:14:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  And you're just a guy, you ain't making money on that flip. That's very true.

• 2:14:54Matt Farah?

  I tried to get an ST and I got laughed at.

• 2:14:56Speaker 01

  You know what I really want is an ST?

• 2:14:57Matt Farah?

  They're amazing.

• 2:14:58Speaker 01

  You know, I have this thing about Porsche-

• 2:15:00Matt Farah?

  Did you ever go with the press card?

• 2:15:02Speaker 01

  They sent me the press card where you opened the door and it said, "Cool for Heritage" or "Cool Forever", it was pathetic, yeah.

• 2:15:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was the fucking, yeah, icons of, is that what it was?

• 2:15:14Speaker 01

  Icons of Cool. God, you're so awful.

• 2:15:16Matt Farah?

  On the door sill of a Porsche.

• 2:15:19Speaker 01

  Like the things that project-

• 2:15:20Matt Farah?

  The puddle lights.

• 2:15:21Speaker 01

  Oh, puddle lights. It was, instead of like the Porsche logo, it said Icons of Cool. That's terrible.

• 2:15:25Matt Farah?

  So what's worse, that or in the electric G-Wagon where it says, "Stronger than time"?

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  Stronger than time.

• 2:15:32Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  And it's like-

• 2:15:33Matt Farah?

  Imagine calling that shot on an EV?

• 2:15:36Speaker 01

  An EV, stronger than time, get the fuck out of here. Okay, the 911ST, let's talk about the 911ST.

• 2:15:41Matt Farah?

  It's the greatest car on sale right now.

• 2:15:43Speaker 01

  I have this thing about Porsches where I kinda hate all Porsches, I kinda hate the community, I hate the whole thing, I get credigy T, but that's like, that, that one is kind of an example of why, like, they were all silver, they, they had no options, like, that is an example of why I don't get into the Porsche world now, where it's less about the driving experience and more about the color. And, but, and then I drove a 911ST. And I think it's really special that we live in a time where like, a lot of people talk- But oh, the old days of Lambo, the V12, the manuals, like the old cars were the cool ones. Porsche is making one of the cool ones.

• 2:16:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you knew it right now.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  Right now.

• 2:16:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  Like 993 Turbo is amazing car. This is in that echelon of like, and that car is air cooled, old school like this is that now. Like it's amazing that there are very few cars that I'm going to look back on in 25 years and be like, that was amazing.

• 2:16:30Matt Farah?

  That was the one, yeah.

• 2:16:31Speaker 01

  911 ST is that.

• 2:16:31Matt Farah?

  I cannot afford one of those, but as soon as I drove it. What are they selling for?

• 2:16:35Speaker 02

  I came back from the launch and I was like, Matt.

• 2:16:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he called me from Italy.

• 2:16:39Speaker 02

  I said, find a way to buy this car.

• 2:16:40Matt Farah?

  And he goes, call the dealer, get an allocation from Italy.

• 2:16:43Speaker 01

  Did you think about calling Porsche? I've always, I thought about calling Porsche.

• 2:16:45Matt Farah?

  I called, yes, I did. I asked Porsche and they said, there's nothing we can do to help you. You have to go through your dealer. So I called my dealer, which I have a great relationship with. And he openly laughed at me. He wasn't like, sorry, can't help you. It was like.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  You and everybody else.

• 2:17:05Matt Farah?

  You think you're gonna get that.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Cause you bought one Spyder, I don't think so.

• 2:17:08Matt Farah?

  And they said that there was like a hail Mary move you can do. They said there was like 50 to 100 cars that they were going to build, but they hadn't decided who was going to get them yet. And so you would do a build on the website, submit it. The dealer principal would have to approve it. The regional GM would have to approve it. PCNA has to approve it. They then send it to Germany and there's a person in Germany that will look at your build and determine if they.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  Cause they're like, is this gonna be a good representative?

• 2:17:42Matt Farah?

  Is this gonna be a good one?

• 2:17:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:17:43Speaker 01

  I should know that, I know all those people, I work with all those people.

• 2:17:45Matt Farah?

  I did it. I got, I got, it got to Germany and then they said, good night and good luck, sir.

• 2:17:52Speaker 01

  So what are those selling for, do you know?

• 2:17:54Matt Farah?

  I told you what my client had to do to get one.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Matt Farah?

  He had, so he had to turn two current, current GT cars. Yeah, it was, it was.

• 2:18:03Speaker 01

  Five, 600.

• 2:18:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:04Speaker 01

  It's a lot. I mean, I love the car. 600.

• 2:18:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, no. Dude, I couldn't afford it at MSRP.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  Get a stick Mercy, there's a lot of cool cars.

• 2:18:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But you could buy an ST today, keep it for 30 years, drive it every weekend and I don't think you'd get tired of it.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  I don't think you'd get tired of it. You wouldn't lose money in it?

• 2:18:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  Although 911R has lost a little, but I think the world's hip to that and are priced in the fact that there's probably gonna be more.

• 2:18:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  But I'll tell you, I drove that car, I was absolutely astonished. I now consider that to be like one of my top five Porsches. 993 Turbo, 996 GT2, Carrera GT, 911ST, maybe there's only four.

• 2:18:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  997 Turbo, love that car.

• 2:18:41Matt Farah?

  They are, so my general manager here, Eric, has a .2.

• 2:18:49Speaker 01

  Stick?

• 2:18:50Matt Farah?

  Stick Turbo.

• 2:18:51Speaker 01

  Wow, that's a special car.

• 2:18:52Matt Farah?

  15,000 miles, he's looking to sell it. But here's where Doug gets interested.

• 2:18:55Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:18:56Matt Farah?

  This car is covered under a bumper-to-bumper warranty until September of 2026, or it hits 70,000 miles.

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  Those cars aren't that unreliable.

• 2:19:07Matt Farah?

  This is the last 997 on the planet covered under warranty.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  Who's the warranty?

• 2:19:12Matt Farah?

  It's through Porsche, CPO. Like, he extended it like, you know?

• 2:19:15Speaker 01

  They sold them through 12 or 13, and I think CPO will even give you a warranty on a 10-year-old car, and then...

• 2:19:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he added to it.

• 2:19:24Speaker 01

  That's a special car.

• 2:19:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's rare.

• 2:19:26Speaker 01

  .2 turbos or .2 stick turbos are really rare.

• 2:19:28Matt Farah?

  Sorry to bring up your competitor, but one ended at the moment on Bring a Trailer, same spec as Eric's.

• 2:19:36Speaker 01

  But that car had 2,000 miles.

• 2:19:37Matt Farah?

  Black, it had 2,000 miles. Eric's has 15,000 miles. Slightly different, but I would like to see what it went for, because it was holding at 200 with 5 minutes left. I think it was gonna go for 2 and 1/4. Go to results, and it would've happened in the last hour.

• 2:19:53Speaker 01

  997 Turbo.

• 2:19:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, do you? He won't just give you the most recent one?

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  It will, but if you really think it was that recent...

• 2:20:00Matt Farah?

  No, it was like an hour ago.

• 2:20:01Speaker 01

  There you go, Porsche 997.

• 2:20:03Matt Farah?

  Let's see. I am very curious to what this goes for. Go down the black one. Keep going, that one.

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:20:10Matt Farah?

  230, I said 225, I'm pretty good at this.

• 2:20:12Speaker 01

  Those are special cars.

• 2:20:13Matt Farah?

  Pretty good at this game, yeah, yeah.

• 2:20:14Speaker 01

  The .2 Turbo Sticks.

• 2:20:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're very, very good.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're very, very good.

• 2:20:18Matt Farah?

  So, you know, I saw you did a, I saw one of your podcast clips, actually, I think you were comparing a Ferrari 812 that was like, that did not sell on Bring a Trailer, and then it did sell on Cars and Bids later. Do you, what do you, what do you see as the trends of one site versus another? Are you starting to see real differences, or is it...

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  I don't know what our team would want me to say, but I'll tell you what I really think.

• 2:20:46Speaker 01

  The, I love Bring a Trailer and I have enormous respect for them and I go on Bring a Trailer Premium every single day.

• 2:20:54Speaker 01

  But, they really, their whole, a good chunk of their business, what they're known for is super high value cars. And I think, if you have an M3, or a 4Runner, or a Land Cruiser, I mean if you go on the main page on Bring a Trailer, there's 800 cars.

• 2:21:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:07Speaker 01

  I don't want to talk bad about them, because they're a great, it's a great business that does great, but like, start scrolling down. Like, if you've got, over on the right there, the little, the thing where that has all the pictures, you gotta scroll pretty far to find it. Keep going, all those. Like, those are just little pictures, and if your car is one of those little pictures, you know, does it really get the, you know, on our site, I think those cars, we feel that they're a little bit more special. So that they tend to get more views and more bids, and more money, that type of car, with us. And I'm always surprised to see someone sell stuff like Boxers and Caymans.

• 2:21:34Speaker 02

  Right, there's a lot of like, very normal, Cherokee.

• 2:21:37Speaker 01

  And you got, but you have to kind of work to find those listings, because they're like, little and sort of hidden, and, you know, FJ Cruiser, that kind of thing, like those, we sell a ton of those cars.

• 2:21:46Matt Farah?

  A Saab would want that.

• 2:21:48Speaker 01

  But they're just, it's, I think that those cars are special to us, and maybe a little bit less clearly special there, which is why they seem to get, based on the, we've had some cars that have gone on both places, the same VIN on both places, in the last year, and we've gotten more money on the majority of them.

• 2:22:05Matt Farah?

  That's so interesting. I don't, I don't-

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  If I'm selling a Countach, you know, I don't know, we've sold some Countach's, we've done actually okay on Countach's.

• 2:22:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:12Speaker 01

  We do okay on Lambos. But they've obviously got, you know, they're slanting those Porsches, bring them money, I get that, we have work to do there. But it is an interesting thing to think about.

• 2:22:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:22Speaker 02

  Isn't that the whole, when you built Cars and Bids, you saw this underrepresented market, I guess, and you're like, oh, well, what if we-

• 2:22:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:31Matt Farah?

  And at the time, a lot of cars were being denied from Bring a Trailer as well, which I think they've loosened some of their permissions.

• 2:22:40Speaker 01

  But that still doesn't, just because they've loosened it and are running those cars, I still don't think that necessarily means they get topped off.

• 2:22:45Matt Farah?

  Oh no, I just, I mean, they were literally rejecting cars.

• 2:22:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:48Matt Farah?

  And so there was a business case to be made for, these people still want to sell their cars, it's still an enthusiast car, you know, whatever.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  It's still a great business, so is ours. Honestly, the thing about this is, like, people consider them to be close competitors, and they are, but the market is huge.

• 2:23:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  When you think about the number of enthusiast cars that transact every year in North America, and they sell some stuff in Europe, the market is huge. And so like, there's room for both businesses to succeed and succeed well, and they have, both of them have. And, you know.

• 2:23:17Matt Farah?

  Does there, um, oh, what the fuck was I just gonna say? I just, I just, just, I had a little, and it's fucking...

• 2:23:25Speaker 01

  You've had Randy in here.

• 2:23:25Matt Farah?

  Where did it go? Oh, damn it. It wasn't about one versus the other, it was about, oh, it's gonna come back to me, I'm sorry. Fucking just brain farted so bad right there.

• 2:23:35Speaker 01

  How's your Bentley?

• 2:23:37Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 2:23:38Speaker 01

  Yeah? I got a buddy who bought it on Nage yesterday, on Bring It, and it arrived and it is a disaster.

• 2:23:42Matt Farah?

  Oh no, really?

• 2:23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, dude was title jumping it.

• 2:23:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, really? Oh, no. Ours, ours is as good as a Turbo R could be. And, you know, we're gonna sell it. The year is coming up, December 27th, it'll be a year, we've been dailying a Turbo R. We've done 4,200 miles in it.

• 2:23:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:23:59Matt Farah?

  We have, we had to do a big, big service on it when we first got it.

• 2:24:04Speaker 01

  As one does.

• 2:24:04Matt Farah?

  It was 12 grand.

• 2:24:07Speaker 01

  Which is, of course, the value of the car.

• 2:24:10Matt Farah?

  But since it was, we've, we've done a couple little things, uh, nothing that's mechanical in terms of like, the car never broke down, like...

• 2:24:20Speaker 01

  Never got stranded?

• 2:24:21Matt Farah?

  Never. Not only that, the car has never had a mechanical hiccup since that very first week we got it. That was, that was the only one.

• 2:24:31Matt Farah?

  I, I just, uh, what did we just do? We just did the 4,000 mile oil filter, uh, service. And, uh, I'm gonna take it to Charlie one more time before I put it, I'll probably put it with you, I'd like you, have you done a Turbo R?

• 2:24:44Speaker 01

  I would love to review it.

• 2:24:45Matt Farah?

  You wanna do it?

• 2:24:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:46Matt Farah?

  I'll bring it down to you, you just do it. Um, I'm gonna have my... Guy, um, my guy, Derek Detailer, cause he's the best detailer probably in California. And, uh, and we're gonna send it, no reserve. If you wanna do it, this is, it's got 24,000 miles. The, when you see the paperwork, the, I have the order sheet from Rolls Royce Bentley Beverly Hills from 1990. I have the factory build sheet. I have-

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  Who was the original owner?

• 2:25:10Matt Farah?

  The guy was, he lived four houses over from me.

• 2:25:12Speaker 01

  It was the same guy had it the whole time?

• 2:25:14Matt Farah?

  Bought it new. He bought it for himself for his 60th birthday, and when he died at 94, I bought it off his kids. And so, he drove it once a week.

• 2:25:22Speaker 01

  You're gonna sell this thing?

• 2:25:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm gonna sell it. I, we, we, because we've, we've done what we can, we can do with it. We've had the experience. I don't really feel like there's anything else for me to learn about it. And in order to complete, cause the experiment was, can I do it for a year? And spend less money than if I had just leased a whatever car?

• 2:25:41Speaker 01

  Does it make you wanna do this again?

• 2:25:44Matt Farah?

  It makes me wanna try something, try another one. It does, yeah. But there's also, it also made me realize how much I do enjoy having one leased car that I don't give a fuck about.

• 2:25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:55Matt Farah?

  That, you gotta start at a baseline there.

• 2:25:57Speaker 01

  Plus, modern tech, and it's nice to have carplay, it's nice to have cooled seats, it's nice to have like, there's some, there's some actual real benefits.

• 2:26:05Matt Farah?

  There are. But most of it is mental and me going, I wanna just go to the goddamn grocery store in a car I don't have to think about. You know, and it's like, like, the Bentley, like, you need, um, it, it, it's a big, fucking, heavy, lumping, you know, motor. And it, and, you know, you really wanna start it and let it run for 60 seconds or so before you drive anywhere.

• 2:26:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:29Matt Farah?

  But is that what you're, you want your life to be, you know, and so, so it's, I swear to God, no bullshit. I have spared not a penny in making this car perfect. It's as perfect as a Bentley Turbo R can be. Everything works. Every gauge, every light, every, everything. It works. And I, and I did it with that experiment in mind. What would it cost to do?

• 2:26:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:51Matt Farah?

  So the-

• 2:26:51Speaker 01

  What do you think, what, how much are you in it for, you think?

• 2:26:54Matt Farah?

  I can tell you exactly. You wanna know exactly? I just have to get my notebook.

• 2:26:57Speaker 01

  Well, but just ballpark. I mean, you put 12 grand, what'd you buy it for?

• 2:26:59Matt Farah?

  12, I bought it for 20. Cash.

• 2:27:01Speaker 01

  So you're probably in it for what, like 35?

• 2:27:03Matt Farah?

  I'm probably in it for about 35, 36. Could I, can I get that at a no reserve auction? Maybe, if it's presented well. If I really, you know, if you do, if you do a video and I get all this amazing

• 2:27:17Speaker 01

  Paperwork.

• 2:27:18Matt Farah?

  With a Turbo R, it's about ownership history and maintenance history. And this goes back to before the car was built.

• 2:27:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:27:26Matt Farah?

  You can't, you're never, you'll never see a better Turbo R than this.

• 2:27:28Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:27:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, most of them, when they got cheap.

• 2:27:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, they fucking, yeah, this one, like your Countach, right? Your Countach, you got the best Countach. Because it never went to that cheap buyer.

• 2:27:41Speaker 01

  It never actually had the opportunity to go to the fourth owner, the fifth owner, the ninth owner, the 11th owner.

• 2:27:44Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 2:27:44Speaker 01

  Who didn't do any of that stuff.

• 2:27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and so many Bentleys and Rolls is from the 80s are 18 owners and like, fucking new shooter coming in, let's go, you know?

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  Just hoping for the best, like my buddy who bought the Arnage.

• 2:27:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But it's been such a good car. I can't believe what, like, how well made it is and how, how nice it drives, how solid it feels, it's so great.

• 2:28:10Speaker 01

  You ever seen anybody else on the road with them?

• 2:28:12Matt Farah?

  Never.

• 2:28:13Speaker 01

  Oh, they're not, they're not around often. I see one maybe every, it used to be somewhat frequent. You'd see them, the Spurs and the Spirits. I never really see them anymore.

• 2:28:20Matt Farah?

  And when we rolled to Vegas in it, God was like the king of the world. Young people in Vegas really took notice. People in their twenties.

• 2:28:29Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:28:30Matt Farah?

  Were like, yes, you're fucking doing it.

• 2:28:32Speaker 01

  It is a big body, big grill.

• 2:28:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:35Speaker 01

  I'm gonna screw you up.

• 2:28:36Matt Farah?

  And I put the yellow, the French market fog lights in it, so Charlie, Ronin vibe, you know, it's very good. Yeah, you should do it, you should do it.

• 2:28:43Speaker 01

  I would love to.

• 2:28:44Matt Farah?

  It's really, it has five ashtrays and zero cup holders.

• 2:28:49Speaker 01

  What was the deal with that? The ashtrays were far more important. And the Europeans always made fun of us.

• 2:28:53Matt Farah?

  They puff mad grits, dude, they love them.

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  This is one of my biggest annoyances, the Europeans always used to make fun of America. You need cup holders, you drink in your car. Meanwhile, they got 20 ashtrays.

• 2:29:01Matt Farah?

  They're ripping grits.

• 2:29:05Speaker 01

  They got no problem at all. The back, the backseat, they got three seat belts and three ashtrays back. Like the middle passenger has an ashtray.

• 2:29:10Matt Farah?

  And you get a heater. You get a heater. Yeah. That's so insane. Five ashtrays. Always so insane. Isn't that unbelievable?

• 2:29:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. You know, the only one of those types of cars, actually, you know, years ago I did a Spirit, but, but I did a Bentley at that place over, checkered flag, remember?

• 2:29:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:26Speaker 01

  They had a, a limo conversion.

• 2:29:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  That was owned by the, um, the something, the family in New York.

• 2:29:35Matt Farah?

  Like the Rockefellers or some shit?

• 2:29:37Speaker 01

  Something like that, yeah. And I, it was like, there was like a call button to talk to the driver and that kind of thing. But it was like extended wheelbase with more wind, like it was a, it was a totally different beast from what you got.

• 2:29:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'll tell you what, what my, we were just talking about people that are not interesting because they have big car collections. But there are some people I know that, that are very rich, but they buy shit that like you and I would buy.

• 2:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:59Matt Farah?

  You know, with, with their, they don't, they're not buying the typical Richie Rich shit. They're buying, and this fucking dude bought a 1996 Lincoln Town Car limo for like five grand.

• 2:30:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, because that's what they cost.

• 2:30:13Matt Farah?

  And it's mint. It's got shag, it's got the boomerang antenna, it's got the fucking landau roof, the crystal glasses in there, CRT TV. And this dude has, he just like hires a guy to just, when he wants to go to Beverly Hills for dinner, he just rolls this thing and I was like, yes!

• 2:30:33Speaker 01

  There was a time, those cars were the coolest things on the road. You didn't, nothing like that happened.

• 2:30:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:38Speaker 01

  When I was a kid, those were the only limos.

• 2:30:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:40Speaker 01

  Like Hummers came later, things like that came later.

• 2:30:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:43Speaker 01

  But you were the king of like...

• 2:30:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was when I was in high school, when, when we started looking at limos for like prom, that was when SUV limos became a thing.

• 2:30:52Speaker 01

  Same. It was like high school, they were like just, I guess for me it was a, yeah, it was in middle school, but like, you had navigators and Escalades, otherwise it was just Lincoln or Cadillac,

• 2:31:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  the big thin Cadillac limos and that was like it.

• 2:31:02Matt Farah?

  My old man...

• 2:31:03Speaker 01

  And they are free now. We sell them occasionally on the site, they are free.

• 2:31:05Matt Farah?

  Limos?

• 2:31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, you, 90's limos are free. Six grand. Nobody wants to...

• 2:31:09Matt Farah?

  What do you do with them?

• 2:31:10Speaker 01

  Nobody wants to, there's not, it's too big.

• 2:31:11Matt Farah?

  We should buy one. Zach, why don't you buy one? A limo?

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  They're cheap, right?

• 2:31:14Speaker 01

  Those old fire trucks. Like, it's a lot of physical car.

• 2:31:18Matt Farah?

  We had a fan who bought a fire truck and had regret after like a week.

• 2:31:20Speaker 01

  Everybody does.

• 2:31:21Speaker 02

  That's way more complicated.

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  You think this will be fun, but like the truth is,

• 2:31:24Matt Farah?

  What are you doing?

• 2:31:25Speaker 01

  It's too big to do anything with. You gotta drive it, you gotta figure all this stuff. It's just too hard.

• 2:31:29Matt Farah?

  Unless you're like the rainbow chic and then fucking have at it, bro. Habibi, let's turn a car into an apartment.

• 2:31:36Speaker 01

  That Instagram is one of the great Instagrams ever to exist. They're like seven Jeep Wranglers joined together.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  I didn't know there was an apartment in the Dodge truck. I read that on Larry Chen's Instagram, I think.

• 2:31:47Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  The giant Dodge truck.

• 2:31:49Matt Farah?

  The giant power wagon is a four bedroom house.

• 2:31:51Speaker 02

  There's like a meeting room in it, or a bathroom.

• 2:31:53Matt Farah?

  And not only is it a four bedroom house, it's a four bedroom house built in 1992. And so you, they show the inside and you're like, this doesn't look like billionaire toys.

• 2:32:03Speaker 01

  This is the Brunei stuff. This is the kind of stuff you do when you're oil rich and you have nothing to do.

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:08Speaker 01

  You know, I was in Dubai many years ago, driving down Sheikh Zayed Road, which is the only road in Dubai. Thank you more or less. And a G-Wagon six by six just cruising along. I'm like, okay, this is where we are.

• 2:32:19Matt Farah?

  So when I was in Dubai, we stopped at a gas station and there was four G63s lined up, right?

• 2:32:26Speaker 01

  The G-Wagon thing is impossible to explain to regular people.

• 2:32:28Matt Farah?

  So all four of them have the same license plate. It's just the number three. They're all the same tag.

• 2:32:36Speaker 01

  You can run it, it'll come back to me, but you're not gonna wanna do anything with it.

• 2:32:39Matt Farah?

  Crazy.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  That is so crazy. The G-Wagon situation there is absolutely out of control. It's like the Hamptons. And then everything is just, I'll never forget when I went there and I rented a GX, which was a Land Cruiser Prado. And they told me if I didn't fill it up, when I returned it, they would have to charge me a penalty fee of like 196 a gallon. What acquainted to.

• 2:32:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna fill it up.

• 2:33:02Matt Farah?

  Speaking of G-Wagons, before we wrap this up, did you drive the electric one?

• 2:33:05Speaker 01

  Drove the electric one, loved it.

• 2:33:06Matt Farah?

  You liked it?

• 2:33:07Speaker 01

  Loved it.

• 2:33:07Matt Farah?

  You did? No, I did. I liked it a lot. I thought it gave me what I wanted from a G-Wagon.

• 2:33:12Speaker 01

  One of the first electric cars that I think I would be into beyond the fact that it's an electric car. Like, it's just good.

• 2:33:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's Mercedes only compelling electric product at all.

• 2:33:23Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I was at a Mercedes. Mercedes Benz dealership the other day.

• 2:33:25Matt Farah?

  Are they giving them away the EQs?

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  It's not even that. They got product. Like, he said they had to rent other lots off-site, like got hundreds of Sprinters.

• 2:33:32Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  Like, my, they got my box sitting outside.

• 2:33:35Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 2:33:35Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  They got no, they just cars, car. I had to shoot it at a public park down the street. There was no flat surface at the dealership. Where I could shoot the video.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  So not just electric cars, they're, they're having trouble moving everything?

• 2:33:46Speaker 01

  But I think electric cars is a, is a big contributing factor because that's probably taking up a lot of this space. They said they're still selling GLCs and these C-classes and stuff like, kinda like normal, but like EQBs.

• 2:33:55Matt Farah?

  Nobody wants that stuff, dude.

• 2:33:56Speaker 01

  EQB.

• 2:33:58Matt Farah?

  It's not good. I don't think we drove an EQB. I drove EQS, EQE.

• 2:34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:04Matt Farah?

  And then, yeah, which one is B?

• 2:34:06Speaker 01

  EQB is a small crossover.

• 2:34:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay. Not good?

• 2:34:10Speaker 01

  Oh, and they're free. The lease rates on these, I don't know if you've been watching used EV prices.

• 2:34:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, used, yeah, nothing. I was thinking maybe get a Taycan Cross Turismo for 58 grand.

• 2:34:20Speaker 01

  They're getting cheaper. You should see what we sell. We've talked about Lucid Airs. We've talked about, cause you sold one. We have a Sapphire on the site right now. Very curious. No one sold one yet, so I'm very curious to see.

• 2:34:29Matt Farah?

  What do you think?

• 2:34:30Speaker 01

  I honestly, I truly have no idea.

• 2:34:31Matt Farah?

  Ah, I really wanna see what a Sapphire. I bet it's buck forty-two.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  That becomes an appealing car at seventy, though, which it's gonna be in about three years.

• 2:34:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:42Speaker 01

  Like, I'd be interested in that.

• 2:34:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, the Sapphire, we, you know, we had a lot of time in a Sapphire. It was amazing, but like, with all EVs, ninety percent of the time, the fast one versus the slow one, it's exactly the same.

• 2:34:56Speaker 01

  That's a good point. I never really thought about that.

• 2:34:58Matt Farah?

  You know, you go take out a V6 Charger and a Hellcat, and in traffic, you can feel the difference.

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:35:03Matt Farah?

  Go take out a Taycan Base and a Taycan Turbo GT. In traffic, same car.

• 2:35:08Speaker 01

  And even the base EVs tend to be pretty powerful.

• 2:35:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:11Speaker 01

  Like, they're pretty quick.

• 2:35:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cause it's instant torque, and you're just like, even like, I, my fucking, the base Mach-E that I had, the rear-wheel-drive whatever, how often did the accelerator pedal hit the floorboard? And I was like, not enough, need more. Never. Not once.

• 2:35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's only, it's only like a bragging rights thing.

• 2:35:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:29Speaker 01

  The model, the Tesla Performance.

• 2:35:31Matt Farah?

  Well, and it's so, it's such an easy thing for them to do technologically.

• 2:35:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:35:36Matt Farah?

  Today, not I mean, not the first time, but today. It's and and and and the power doesn't affect the range or the efficiency. They're separate metrics.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:35:45Matt Farah?

  You can have a very efficient EV that's also very powerful, which you can't do in a gas car.

• 2:35:49Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 2:35:50Matt Farah?

  So they're like, oh, why not?

• 2:35:51Speaker 01

  Right, and they do. So they just jack it up. And that's why it's speed isn't special anymore.

• 2:35:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:55Speaker 01

  That's why we got our Countach's and that is what is special.

• 2:35:57Matt Farah?

  It is. And your very slow Carrera GT, which is still having the recall fixed?

• 2:36:02Speaker 01

  The recall's done, but now I gotta do it. Dude, okay, here's a here's a good one. I go into the dealer.

• 2:36:06Matt Farah?

  Because I thought you were like, you had a workaround for the recall, or you just like not?

• 2:36:10Speaker 01

  I just drove it.

• 2:36:13Matt Farah?

  But see, that's.

• 2:36:14Speaker 01

  They didn't have any incident.

• 2:36:14Matt Farah?

  That's called interesting, rich guy.

• 2:36:16Speaker 01

  They put a stop drive on the car. They didn't have any incidents. They there was it was just like inspect it and see. Mine was fine. But here's a great one. So I go to the dealership to do the recall and we discover that I need to do the four year service. Been five years since I've done the last four year service. I'm like, all right, I'll do the four year service. And the guy, the service writer is like, yeah, okay, you want to do the four year service too? That'll be about 15. I'm like, excuse me? He's like, yeah, about $15,000. I'm like, what?

• 2:36:38Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  What? Like he sent to me like.

• 2:36:41Matt Farah?

  What's in the four year service?

• 2:36:42Speaker 01

  Dude, it's like a couple belts, fluids, that's it.

• 2:36:44Matt Farah?

  Does the engine nuts come out?

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:36:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:36:47Speaker 01

  15. Carrera GT tax is what is called in the.

• 2:36:50Matt Farah?

  That is a heavy.

• 2:36:52Speaker 01

  Isn't that wild?

• 2:36:52Matt Farah?

  Heavy, heavy tax.

• 2:36:54Speaker 01

  Okay, I guess it'll be eight years before the next four year service.

• 2:36:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, wow.

• 2:36:58Speaker 01

  He just sent it to me like it was like, I should assume that of course it's gonna be 15 grand every four years.

• 2:37:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:04Speaker 01

  I have every service record for that car going back to new. They used to be, the oil changes used to be 1,100 bucks, like just.

• 2:37:09Matt Farah?

  It was the same when they had, when they had probably dealer techs that were more trained up on it and have the equipment ready to go and whatever.

• 2:37:16Speaker 01

  Oil changes are still not that expensive. They're like two grand, but the four year service apparently is.

• 2:37:20Matt Farah?

  It's a dry sump, right? It's gotta be a dry sump. Yeah. So it's probably holds a lot of oil.

• 2:37:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And that's a component of it. And changing the belts apparently is a pain, et cetera, et cetera. There's a few things, but like, it's not like I'm doing a big thing.

• 2:37:32Matt Farah?

  No, I know, yeah. The Bentley in the major service, we changed all the fluids. It's like, holy shit. This holds a lot of oil and coolant. This holds like $300 in oil.

• 2:37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:44Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's like 11 quarts.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  Doesn't surprise me, honestly. It's a big motor in it.

• 2:37:48Matt Farah?

  Countach.

• 2:37:48Speaker 01

  Countach has.

• 2:37:49Matt Farah?

  Enormous amount of oil.

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it takes forever to get it warmed up.

• 2:37:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  I can drive that car for 20 minutes and the needle barely starts to warm up.

• 2:37:56Matt Farah?

  When I would leave here, the needle would come off when I would get to Malibu.

• 2:38:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, George Evans was like, "Don't drive, don't drive the car hard until it starts to warm up." And I'm like, "Then I would never drive it hard."

• 2:38:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:07Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 2:38:07Matt Farah?

  How about, about how many minutes is your home to office commute?

• 2:38:12Speaker 01

  It's not enough to get the temp needle moving.

• 2:38:14Matt Farah?

  It's not. When I moved, I was like, "Oh, my new house is so close to the office." And then I was like, "Wait, this isn't enough to drive any of the old cars."

• 2:38:20Speaker 01

  I do all sorts of stuff. I do all these loops though around. It's like a 40 minute, 8 minute commute.

• 2:38:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's 1.2 miles direct, or I have like a nine mile loop I can do if I need to actually get the car warmer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. That's radio. That's our program.

• 2:38:36Speaker 01

  We don't take questions anymore from viewers?

• 2:38:37Matt Farah?

  I mean, we do, but when we have a great guest and we're doing two and a half hours of radio, it's not something we need.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  I mean, we have them, but...

• 2:38:45Speaker 01

  Zach, hit me a question. Hit Matt with a question that you have for Matt.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  That I have for Matt?

• 2:38:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, you mean a fan?

• 2:38:52Speaker 01

  No, no, no. A personal question from Zach.

• 2:38:54Matt Farah?

  What questions could Zach have for me?

• 2:38:56Speaker 02

  That we haven't covered in every fucking thing we do together.

• 2:39:00Speaker 01

  Oh my God, there's so many questions.

• 2:39:01Matt Farah?

  No, there's always a lot, but like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick two.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  What about speed round? 10 second answer for questions.

• 2:39:07Speaker 01

  Okay, I can do speed round.

• 2:39:08Matt Farah?

  All right, all right, fine. Speed round, we're gonna do five, six questions, one minute, 10 seconds each, and I'm gonna start the timer. I got a timer. Ready? Zero. Oh wait, I actually don't want a timer. I want a stopwatch. Okay, I'm gonna start timer as soon as I finish reading Liang's question. Of course, if you want to ask questions of our guests, patreon.com/thesmogontirepodcast is where you do it.

• 2:39:32Matt Farah?

  Okay, Liang says, "With Toyota pulling the plug on the Supra, are enthusiast gas cars losing the business case for manufacturers that only the niche old and expensive are moving that segment forward?"

• 2:39:45Speaker 01

  Kinda. Next question.

• 2:39:47Matt Farah?

  Kinda yes.

• 2:39:48Speaker 01

  I legitimately worry about that and I think the fact that they're pairing up like the BRZ and the Supra and the Z4 is kinda proof of that. It doesn't make financial sense. Next question.

• 2:39:56Matt Farah?

  Okay, that was 9.1 seconds. Micah says, "How has the R8 aged and what is a good, modern equivalent?"

• 2:40:03Speaker 01

  Shockingly well. Those early R8s are still desirable, good, modern equivalent.

• 2:40:07Matt Farah?

  The R8 they stopped selling 6 months ago.

• 2:40:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess that's a good one. Lexus LC maybe, although it's not as special, but yeah, the R8.

• 2:40:15Matt Farah?

  The still R8.

• 2:40:16Speaker 01

  It's pretty expensive compared to what it was, but yes, I think the early ones aged really well.

• 2:40:20Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. That took 25 seconds. We need to do better.

• 2:40:23Speaker 01

  Pause.

• 2:40:23Matt Farah?

  Paul says, "Which one car from the Brunaleaks would you choose to own if possible?"

• 2:40:27Speaker 01

  I mean McLaren F1, but really the Bentley Dominator, their SUV that they made just for them.

• 2:40:31Matt Farah?

  Which was based on a P38 Range Rover.

• 2:40:32Speaker 01

  Hell yeah! You know it'll have no problems, a one-off car based on a P38.

• 2:40:37Matt Farah?

  Bentley based, a 90's Bentley based on a 90's Range Rover.

• 2:40:41Speaker 01

  By the way, the fact that the Sultan, they figured out at luxury SUVs before Bentley did. They were like, "You should make this." And Bentley was like, "We're just gonna make a few. They should've done it early."

• 2:40:49Matt Farah?

  Ferrari Fiero, "300-400K to spend on a weekend driver is a Ford GTV answer."

• 2:40:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:40:56Matt Farah?

  Not a big Porsche guy.

• 2:40:57Speaker 01

  Yes, or a Mercy Lago.

• 2:40:59Matt Farah?

  Or, I'm gonna go out and say a Ferrari 430 with a manual.

• 2:41:06Speaker 01

  Yep. I'd rather have a Mercy or a Ford GT.

• 2:41:08Matt Farah?

  I would too, but I just wanted to throw in a little extra fun. Doug, "Nice Cam" says, "Father's looking to get a Ferrari F8 Spider. Market seems to be 30-50K over sticker. Should he wait to see if prices fall, or is the whole last V8 non-hybrid gonna help?"

• 2:41:25Speaker 01

  It depends how long he's willing to wait. I don't think prices are gonna fall that quickly because 296s are so much more expensive. But if you wanna wait 3 years, yeah, they'll fall, but go get a 458.

• 2:41:33Matt Farah?

  Get a 458 or a 488.

• 2:41:35Speaker 01

  I like the F8. I'm not one of those people who's like, "Ah, ah."

• 2:41:38Matt Farah?

  But 488 to F8 is an incredibly incremental difference.

• 2:41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, get a 488.

• 2:41:42Matt Farah?

  It's the same car, basically. Christian says, "Why is Doug such an LFA hater?"

• 2:41:48Speaker 01

  Cause it's trash!

• 2:41:50Matt Farah?

  You think it's trash?

• 2:41:52Speaker 01

  I was there. I was there when they couldn't sell them, when no one wanted it, when everybody complained about the transmission, when everybody thought it was ugly. I was there and now everybody's backtracking.

• 2:42:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but now you know. You know why that was. The trans is trash, but the car is good despite it.

• 2:42:08Speaker 01

  It's ugo. The car is ugo. The LC looks way better and costs nothing.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  Didn't you just say when we were discussing the ST and the Storato that cars that are unloved and always tend to be like the best investments and the most exciting ones?

• 2:42:18Speaker 01

  The LFA is proof. I don't like it, but the market does not agree with me.

• 2:42:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I happen to like the LFA despite the gearbox. But there are definitely people who have said to me recently, you know, those single clutch automated manuals, they have more character. And I go, they're shittier. They're worse. They're definitely worse.

• 2:42:35Speaker 01

  It's like driving a manual. I'm over PDK. Dual clutch is like, it's too easy. It's too easy.

• 2:42:39Speaker 02

  No, but it's still good. I think it's still good and fun and it functions well.

• 2:42:43Matt Farah?

  I use it myself.

• 2:42:44Speaker 01

  But you get my point. It's too easy. It's those single clutches that there was some working, but it felt a little more mechanical.

• 2:42:49Speaker 02

  It was the worst combination of both.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  Give me a bat, give me a 612 with a formula with an F1 transmission. I'll drive that thing all day long, 70 grand.

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  The front end of this looks weird, by the way.

• 2:43:00Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it was a heinous car.

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:02Speaker 01

  Not worse than the LFA, though.

• 2:43:05Matt Farah?

  Keep scrolling down. I don't like those three questions. Keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  These are, these are great. Doug, why have you never reviewed a B7 RS4? I'll do a sprint blue one when it comes up on the site.

• 2:43:20Matt Farah?

  Why haven't you done? That seems like a pretty obvious.

• 2:43:22Speaker 01

  When it comes up on Cars and Bids, I will do a sprint blue one, but it's hard.

• 2:43:25Matt Farah?

  What if it's a convertible?

• 2:43:26Speaker 01

  I would do, I would do a convertible, but then I would also later do a sedan. And by the way, I would also do a wagon, which are going to be legal soon.

• 2:43:32Matt Farah?

  RS4 convertible is sneakily the rarest production Audi ever sold in America.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  I was in Manhattan earlier this year, saw a yellow one.

• 2:43:40Matt Farah?

  Sick.

• 2:43:41Speaker 01

  Driving down the West Side.

• 2:43:41Matt Farah?

  Huge money. I've tried to get a bunch of people to buy them.

• 2:43:44Speaker 01

  It's a shame they gave us the convertible. They had the sedan and the wagon and they were like, no, we'll give America the convertible, the four-seat convertible.

• 2:43:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, Ryan says, "After watching Kenan's video on homologation cars, I'm obsessed with the 328SI. What are some other lower-trim cars that are cool and collectible? How about the Italian market E30 32i? Which is a, which is a sort of stealthy M3.

• 2:44:10Speaker 01

  There are other ones, I'd have to think about that.

• 2:44:12Matt Farah?

  How about the Ferrari 208? Which, you know who's got one? Glickenhause has one.

• 2:44:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:44:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:17Speaker 01

  Everybody says it was bad.

• 2:44:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, it probably was, but like, he just has one because it's fucking weird.

• 2:44:22Speaker 01

  Ferrari techs displacement, cars based on displacement, and they slipped it under like the two, by having a 2.0-litre turbo V8.

• 2:44:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:28Speaker 01

  They called it the 208. It was a 308.

• 2:44:31Matt Farah?

  Uh, kinda neat. I'd like to try one. I would like to drive one.

• 2:44:33Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely.

• 2:44:34Matt Farah?

  I bet it would be really cool. Uh, other, are there any other, other lower-trim level, I mean, you could get, how about this? How about this? I don't know if it's collectible, but you could get in Europe, the Defender, the new Defender with like the commercial package that has like no interior.

• 2:44:51Speaker 01

  And anything like that, any truly stripped-out car that isn't stripped out because it's a superleggera, but is just, there are those. Those are, those are generally cool.

• 2:44:58Speaker 02

  That is the funny, rich man, poor man thing, right? Like, car has no options because it's the cheapest one, car has no options because it's the most expensive, both are light.

• 2:45:06Speaker 01

  But the cheapest car no options, I generally find to be pretty cool.

• 2:45:09Speaker 02

  It's like the Evo 8 RS, right?

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that were like totally stripped out.

• 2:45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, no wing, but the best race car.

• 2:45:15Matt Farah?

  We're gonna end on Alex Hayes' question. Doug and Matt have become very successful. How do you measure success or feel like you're, you've made it?

• 2:45:23Speaker 01

  Well, my measure of success was when I started, when I had more subscribers than Matt Farah on the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 2:45:27Matt Farah?

  Success. No, do you, do you feel successful?

• 2:45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, now I do. It took a while.

• 2:45:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah?

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say this-

• 2:45:35Matt Farah?

  Selling the, selling the site?

• 2:45:37Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say this, and it's not intended to be a lib point of view. When you're born like I am, I kinda feel like I better get somewhere, you know what I mean?

• 2:45:46Matt Farah?

  You mean third base?

• 2:45:48Speaker 01

  Like, I was, we weren't rich, no, I mean, we didn't have, but like, I was a smart, socially adept, white, tall, white person.

• 2:45:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:56Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:45:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:57Speaker 01

  Like, you better succeed.

• 2:45:58Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 2:45:59Speaker 01

  Like, I meet some of these people and it's like, why haven't you done more?

• 2:46:02Matt Farah?

  Wow, you really, you had a lot to work with.

• 2:46:04Speaker 01

  I mean, really, like, I, I think that sometimes, and it's, so it's like, I never really thought that, like, I had, yeah, probably selling the business was like the big, it was like, okay, I've done something that is really extraordinary at this point, that even in that set of circumstances is very difficult to do.

• 2:46:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:18Speaker 01

  But, I feel, and honestly, I've always respected you for that, that like, you, with your, your family situation, a lot of people, I know a lot of people who just don't do much.

• 2:46:27Matt Farah?

  Do things.

• 2:46:28Speaker 01

  Or kinda

• 2:46:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:46:29Speaker 01

  Stick around.

• 2:46:30Matt Farah?

  I mean, I was born on third base, right, and not necessarily born on third base, but my parents definitely got to third base. By the time I graduated high school, I was, I was pretty well set up. Not super spoiled, but definitely taken care of, you know? Graduated college with no debt, that kinda thing.

• 2:46:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:46Matt Farah?

  And, and was in a position where I could take risks in my career, and, and if they, you know, my parents weren't just like giving me money, but if, if the shit hit the fan and I ran out of money,

• 2:47:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:00Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't have literally been on the street. And so that is a privilege to be able to do that, not to mention what you said, from a good area, from a good family, tall, white, educated.

• 2:47:11Speaker 01

  Knowing how to talk to people.

• 2:47:11Matt Farah?

  Not a complete moron.

• 2:47:13Speaker 01

  Right, and, and there are, those are, those are, so to me, I only define success as like, even going beyond what I think the baseline of success should have been. Like, everybody who's kinda born into our circumstances can, ends up at least getting some desk job that is cubicle, that pays good enough that they can like live, and they're not worried about their, and so like, that's not enough. I always felt like that wasn't enough, like, I could have done that, a lot of people do that, it's fine, but like, I don't view that as like a, the next level of success.

• 2:47:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  If you already have all these, there are people for whom that would be a major success coming out of much more difficult circumstances.

• 2:47:45Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  But that wasn't me, it was like, that was almost kind of a given, and so like, in order to really be successful, you had to do better than that, is how I felt about it.

• 2:47:53Matt Farah?

  I, I don't really feel that successful, I mean, I feel, I feel like the measure, a good measure of success for me is like, Contentness?

• 2:48:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:02Matt Farah?

  I think, just like being able to like be okay with where life is and whatever and like, I think it's great that I don't have to think about every bill. I don't have to think about every meal, you know, you know, like the, we're beyond that, which is like awesome. But like, I think I'd be content if I was like, I'd feel successful if I was like, happy with my body. You know, if I didn't feel like I had to do a lot of work on that. If I didn't feel like a failure for eating a cookie.

• 2:48:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:27Matt Farah?

  You know, or, or whatever, that kind of thing.

• 2:48:29Speaker 01

  Being a kind person, being a, there, there are many ways to define success beyond business success. I presumed the question was in that range, but, but I, I, if my kids don't do anything and are just like good people, I will consider them to be successful. You know, when I grew up and probably when you grew up, based on where we went to school, my parents were pushy about.

• 2:48:48Matt Farah?

  College.

• 2:48:49Speaker 01

  You had to do this, you had to go to this college and do, and I, all my friends who went to really crazy private schools to go to the best college, their outcomes were not significantly different.

• 2:48:58Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 2:48:59Speaker 01

  Than the ones who didn't. And I certainly don't consider them to be like happier or better off.

• 2:49:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:03Speaker 01

  In their situations.

• 2:49:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  Um, so I'm not hoping for that for my children. Success for my children to me looks like they're happy, which is hard. A lot of those people who are in that track of crazy schools and colleges are like anxiety filled.

• 2:49:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I, and that, that's happened to me at, here at work and on YouTube at work a lot, that, that crushing anxiety of not good enough, I'm not smart enough, this isn't working, blah, blah, blah. And so success to me is being able to take a longer view.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:34Matt Farah?

  Think about what is working.

• 2:49:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:36Matt Farah?

  And how do I just enjoy the rest of my goddamn day?

• 2:49:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:39Matt Farah?

  With my wife and my cats and my dinner.

• 2:49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:41Matt Farah?

  Without having to go to bed going, oh my God, tomorrow, you know?

• 2:49:45Speaker 01

  There's something to that.

• 2:49:46Matt Farah?

  Mental freedom.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:47Matt Farah?

  Which is independent from money beyond your basis, the basics being covered.

• 2:49:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:49:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:55Matt Farah?

  Always a pleasure. Timestamp, what are we at?

• 2:49:58Speaker 01

  Two forty-four.

• 2:49:58Matt Farah?

  Two forty-four.

• 2:50:00Speaker 01

  I've got to sit in the same seat as Johnny Lieberman.

• 2:50:04Speaker 01

  Did he leave anything?

• 2:50:06Matt Farah?

  He left some whiskey. We're doing, we're doing a industry night whiskey tomorrow and you want to come get shitfaced?

• 2:50:12Speaker 01

  The only time I ever come to Los Angeles, no, the only time I ever come to Los Angeles is to do this podcast.

• 2:50:17Matt Farah?

  We appreciate it.

• 2:50:18Speaker 01

  I have a rule now that I don't go north of the Hyundai building in Fountain Valley on the 405. Like that's a hard and fast rule.

• 2:50:24Matt Farah?

  That's your Mason Dixon law. Them northerners, they living differently up there. I don't know. I don't cross that dang Korean building. I don't, I don't know what's going on up there.

• 2:50:37Speaker 01

  I passed it today and I was like, I can't believe it. Pass it. This is Korean. No, but it's, it all worked out. And you know, they got the Ioniq 9 over there now. So you go check that.

• 2:50:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, are you checking that out? The 9?

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 2:50:49Matt Farah?

  What's your favorite Ioniq?

• 2:50:51Speaker 01

  The 5N dude.

• 2:50:51Matt Farah?

  The 5N is sick.

• 2:50:52Speaker 01

  The, the, the shifting will have to go into other cars.

• 2:50:55Matt Farah?

  Of course. So good.

• 2:50:56Speaker 01

  We're not going to do that. You need to. Like today. Like yesterday.

• 2:51:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, never have, uh, Jörg Bergmeister answer questions about will they put whimsical features in the car? The German racing driver's like, no, I want to do this. This does not make the car go faster.

• 2:51:12Speaker 01

  Those, if, if they don't do it, they're insane. That was the first time I've driven an EV and been like, interesting.

• 2:51:16Matt Farah?

  Like, oh, this is the thing.

• 2:51:18Speaker 01

  This could be something. It felt like I was driving a Golf R.

• 2:51:20Matt Farah?

  That and the fact that the Mach-E Rally is literally better on dirt than either the Sturato or the Dakar. That is.

• 2:51:29Speaker 01

  Well, the Stur- I think the Sturato and the Dakar are both missed opportunities to make them crazier. I would have given, I would, I would have bought a Sturato if it had been another three inches and a couple more. I mean, like, it was, it's cool, but like, when you see them around, especially, you know, knowing bright colors, they just look like someone put a tire on the top of a Lambo.

• 2:51:45Matt Farah?

  Kind of.

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  If, if they had done three more inches and some real gar stuff and like.

• 2:51:50Matt Farah?

  Who, what shop is going to do portal axles on a Sturato?

• 2:51:53Speaker 02

  Speed limited pretty low. That's the downside.

• 2:51:55Matt Farah?

  True. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:51:56Speaker 01

  I'm not. But Lambo probably would have. They wouldn't have wanted to release a car with 107 mile an hour top speed or something. But I would have been all over that.

• 2:52:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Here's, here's the new Huracan. It's limited to 82.

• 2:52:05Speaker 01

  Dude, I'll take it. I'm not going more than 82. I'll do my portal axles.

• 2:52:08Speaker 02

  They were sold one to you.

• 2:52:09Speaker 01

  I would have bought it.

• 2:52:10Matt Farah?

  I have yet to see a privately owned one on the street. I've seen the press cars around a whole bunch, but I've never seen.

• 2:52:15Speaker 01

  I've seen a few, a couple, only a couple. I saw one in Vienna, which is an odd place for them because you can't off-road in Vienna or near it.

• 2:52:22Matt Farah?

  It's snowy, maybe, but what a great car though. They're, they're, yeah, they're fucking cool.

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  I'm still, I'm still wondering.

• 2:52:28Matt Farah?

  That's a long play. It's a long play on the Sturato. My man, thanks for coming to visit us. Merry Christmas.

• 2:52:35Speaker 01

  Merry Christmas.

• 2:52:35Matt Farah?

  Much successes in the new year. Thank you to our patrons for their questions. I'm sorry we didn't get to more of them, but when the radio's good, you don't fucking stop the show. Donnie did not tell me what he wanted. He just said, "Call me when you can." So I don't know what that means, but we'll see. And of course, Cars and Bids, you know, the This Car Podcast.

• 2:52:58Speaker 01

  Like and subscribe.

• 2:53:00Matt Farah?

  Like and subscribe.

• 2:53:00Speaker 01

  Do we still tell that to people?

• 2:53:01Matt Farah?

  It doesn't get you anywhere.

• 2:53:04Speaker 01

  It's just like shorts. No point.

• 2:53:05Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 2:53:06Speaker 02

  Rate us and review us on iTunes. That's more important.

• 2:53:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, actually that does help. Leave a review on iTunes.

• 2:53:10Speaker 01

  I'll leave a review.

• 2:53:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:11Speaker 01

  Doug the Podcast.

• 2:53:15Matt Farah?

  Alright, we're gone. Bye.