From Nukes to Missiles to Proxies: The Iran Deal Keeps Changing | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the U. S.–Iran negotiations and why the goalposts keep moving from nukes to missiles to proxy forces. With Israel, Turkey, and U. S. military power all in play, we dig into whether this is real diplomacy—or a setup for the next Middle East war. Andy's article: https://warontherocks.com/2026/01/gaza-and-the-conduct-of-urban-war-civilian-harm-risk-and-responsibility/ Montana Security Conference ⬇️ https://mi1.suitsandspooks.com/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Start 01:30 Iran Negotiations and Military Posturing 06:42 Key Players in the Iran Negotiations 11:47 The Nuclear Deal Dilemma 15:05 The Role of Turkey in Regional Dynamics 20:32 Kurdish Perspectives and U. S. Relations 25:35 The Future of Iran's Leadership 29:57 Syria's Complex Landscape 36:42 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:26Speaker 02

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm here with Andy Milburn and Mick Mulroy. Jason Lyons may be joining us. May not be. He's having some technical issues on his end, but we will think about him the whole time. Lot happening as usual. First things first, let's do some house cleaning. Mick's got, they have a security conference, intelligence conference happening in Whitefish in April, beginning of April. That link is in the description. Check it out. There's some great speakers that are going to be there. And Whitefish is an all-around great place to go. Andy Milburn, the man, the myth, the legend, stirring up trouble as usual. His book, When the Tempest Gathers, that link is in the description as well. His Substack, too. You can check out his new article on War on the Rocks, too.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  That's, he's getting a lot of guff online for it. But I don't think it's not rightfully so because I think Andy's right about it. So check that out. It's a really good article.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a, by the way, on that point, there's a War on the Rocks podcast coming out this week with me as a guest. I sometimes stoop to do other podcasts where I discuss kind of a rebuttal to the rebuttals to that argument. Just very quickly, because there's a lot of fallacious information. That's not a crude word, D. False information flying around and especially with the comparison with Mosul. People love throwing out numbers of Mosul. I have no bearing in fact. Okay, that is all. It's off my chest. Go ahead, Dee.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, check out the article. It's a really, really good article and stay tuned and keep your eye out for that podcast coming out with War on the Rocks. All right, a lot happening as usual.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  We had, you know, the US and Iran had discussions over the last few days. Initially last week, they were gonna have, they had to set up a meeting. The meeting went to shit. And then if like six hours or eight hours later, the meeting was back on. A lot going on. It seems like to me at least, like what's coming out is we want Iran to get rid of their nuclear program, get rid of their ballistic missiles and get rid of their supportive proxies.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  As a layman, I don't, I mean, Iranian, the Iranian regime is actually is bad news, obviously. But like if you're Iran, how do you get rid of your ballistic missiles? When we talked about it last week, it's like a huge, it's like a super important part of their integrated defense network.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Yes, that's true. So greetings from still in Bozeman, Montana, where we're doing winter warfare training, although it was 60 degrees yesterday. That's problematic if you're wondering for winter warfare training.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  But yes, so coverage this week was primarily on the Iranian negotiations. I think it's important to point out that the situation in Iran is dire and getting worse. So the prediction of the World Bank is that the the the economy will actually contract in Iran by 3% this year. They're already about between 30 and 40% inflation rates. To put it in perspective, we're about 2.7, I think. I looked it up so I sound like I know what I was talking about. But obviously, uh, they're the real. Their currency has lost half of its value in a year.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  So and it's it is predicted to get far worse and there's additional sanctions that are going to be placed on companies and in

• 5:00Speaker 04

  in essentially pressure for financial institutions not to deal with Iran. So it's going to get worse. So there's a uh, it's bad and it's going and it's getting worse. So there's a lot of incentive, I think, by the Iranian regime, which is under incredible protests still. Uh, they've incarcerated over 50,000 people, killed 10,000, over 10,000 people.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  To have these negotiations. So the United States, I think, from a diplomatic perspective, has an upper hand. And the huge inflow of military power, you know, aircraft carrier strike groups already there. I think another one's on the way. There's eight or nine destroyers. There's multiple squadrons. Uh, I think it's it's eclipsed the amount of firepower we've had prior to the 12 day conflict. So that's, and I think that was purposeful, right? And there was during these negotiations, they actually had Admiral Cooper in them, which the Iranians made a big deal about.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Generally speaking, that from a diplomatic perspective, it's not normal. But I think they're just highlighting that this is either going to go into a diplomatic solution that we agree with, or it's going down the military path. And I think that is, in fact, what's going to happen. So a few more points and then toss it over to you, Andy.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  It was originally scheduled to be in Ankara, Turkey. The Iranians wanted it moved to Mascot Oman. I think they do like the Omanis being the mediators more so than the Turks, but it was viewed originally by the Americans as delaying tactic. Like this, okay, here we go. It's gonna be a lot of delaying tactics just to avoid the military strikes. They both came out of the meeting positive. It took the US a little bit longer to have a positive statement. Probably because it was Mr. Whitkoff and Kushner there and they needed to brief the president, president make his own determination of whether it was positive. But they almost always say they're positive.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  So I don't, I wouldn't read too much into that unless there's another date set for continued negotiations. This could easily slip into the the military confrontation phase. And I do think this also allows the United States, last point, to get the theater air and missile defense systems that they need out there, you know, the Thad, the Patriots. There's a lot of concern about the retaliation that's coming from the Iranians once strikes, if strikes happen. So that should be done here fairly shortly and then we'll see whether this is gonna end in a negotiated new agreement and we can talk about the ballistic missiles

• 7:54Speaker 04

  and the support to proxies that the US is demanding be part of this, or at least is wanting it to be part of this. I don't think Iran will, uh, will agree to that.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Anyway, that's where we are right now.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you know, I, I'm gonna take just a step back, guys, because someone, you know how I pay such close attention to all the input we get out for every show. But some of that's hard to adhere to actually, like get rid of Andy. But I got a constructive argument, constructive comment the other day. Just saying, hey, look, before you start talking about, you know, using all these names, can you just explain who's who? All right. So leave out the obvious ones. We assume everyone knows who Donald Trump is, President of the United States, Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, Abbas, Abbas.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Hopefully not butcher his name, Boss Aarichi, who is the Iran's Foreign Minister.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Foreign Minister.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  He's, you know, and I'll say just a line or two about him. I mean, he's signaling openness, but in practice, he's drawing hard red lines. And we talked about that. And the hard red lines primarily have to do with Iran's ballistic missile defense, but also to a lesser extent, proxies. We often talk to Iran's Supreme Leader, and I got a question about that. That's Ayatollah Al Khomeini. And his role in all of this is to threaten, continuously threaten regional war, right? Just to keep the stakes up. Steve Witkoff is Trump's envoy, who, who along with Jared Kushner, representing the United States.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  His son-in-law.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. And Admiral Cooper, I'm sorry, Bradley Cooper, Admiral Bradley. Sorry.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  There is an Admiral Bradley, but Bradley Cooper is a CENTCOM commander, yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  And he's a beloved actor.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Sorry, Bradley Cooper. Yeah, I was thinking it was SOCOM commander. My apologies. I punted that one into the sentence. Anyway, Bradley Cooper, who is there, is unusual to have a military leader at talks such as this. Hence, the Iranians' comments about that. And last of all, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is the President of Turkey. And he's a big player in these talks. Trump, the other day, called him, I'm laughing, because a problem solver. All right. Now, Mick and I know Erdogan in the role of problem maker. So it's quite unusual

• 10:42Speaker 03

  to hear him referred to in these terms. And he credits Erdogan with bringing peace to Syria, right? Overthrow of Assad. He credits Erdogan with forcing compromise between the government of Syria and the SDF. And now, he says that Erdogan is the guy, voted the guy most likely to bring about peace through negotiation in the police. And Erdogan is doing his best to do so, reaching out to the Iranians. But...

• 11:16Speaker 03

  You know, the US and Iran are certainly talking, but they're kind of talking past each other, right? And it's going to be very interesting to see whether they can agree to some kind of compromise. I don't think the nuclear piece is a massive nuclear issue. I think Iran, a massive issue, I think Iran's willing to compromise. They've already talked about, I don't know, Iranians haven't agreed to this yet. But Erdogan's suggesting that anything over 3%, any uranium that's rich beyond 3% is exported to Turkey and held in safekeeping there, similar to, remember when the Russians offered to do the same back before, before the Czech power.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Iran wants the talks to be exclusively nuclear, and the US is saying right now, that's not enough. You know, Washington wants three things, and then to Iran's nuclear program, we talked about that. Limits on ballistic missiles, you know, we haven't made clear what those limits are. And also an end to support for proxy militias across the region. Now, that last piece, even if Iran agreed to, would be really difficult to monitor.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  So

• 12:31Speaker 03

  while negotiations going underway, you know, obviously President Trump's threatening devastating consequences if Iran refuses a deal. And those consequences would be not just military, but also economic. And as Mick talked about, the United States is already, they haven't imposed sanctions yet, but they're threatening to impose sanctions in all countries we're dealing with Iran, which would hit China particularly hard. And US forces in the region still continuously, still continue that, a state of high readiness.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  And that is all. Yeah, back, back to you guys. It's diplomacy with a loaded gun on the table.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  So on the nuclear issue, I mean, we were talking about this before we started recording. Like, I don't understand the logic of the regime when it comes to...

• 13:24Speaker 04

  If they didn't have an aspiration to get a nuclear weapon, they would be under much, I mean, just looking at it from their perspective, they wouldn't be under the same financial, economic pressure that they're under, right? So their regime itself wouldn't be on in danger of collapse necessarily, at least not from that, which is would polarize the whole population is economics, right? Everybody's impacted by the fact that they can't buy food for their family, etc. So either give it up and get back into the community of nations, or hopefully not, acquire one. But they're in the worst position. They have 441 kilograms of rhenium up to 60%, which is not needed at all for civilian purposes. So they're right in the middle,

• 14:09Speaker 04

  right? So I don't think we should ever allow them to acquire a nuclear weapon. They're completely unstable and obviously not even logical, at least from my perspective. So I think they could potentially be willing to do that. Now, are we going to accept a win? That's the question. Even like it could be more stringent than the JCPOA that Andy just referenced, like the

• 14:34Speaker 02

  The first nuclear deal.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  The first one, right? So if it's a better agreement, politically,

• 14:41Speaker 04

  not that I worry about political, you know, wins, but politically it'd be a win, right? So if you have to include ballistic missiles,

• 14:51Speaker 04

  you might sink the whole chances of

• 14:55Speaker 04

  of this being successful. In support to proxies, it's almost hard. It's impossible to

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, just put it in the put it in the press release and just do it covertly. Like that's, what are we doing? We live in the real world.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  Or get a nuclear agreement. This is the, this was the argument that we made in the VOD when we pulled out of the JCPOA in the first place. Yes, proxies are a problem. Des stabilize Middle East ballistic missile program, obviously not good. Address them separately. Why not get them to agree never to have a nuclear weapon and take that as a win for the world? And then if there's issues with, you know, using proxy forces to attack our partners, address it. Attack them back or come up with a new sanction regime. But requiring it all to be in one bill.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Unless we intend to mow the grass literally, which costs billions of dollars to send all this military power over there and risk, obviously, the lives of the servicemen and women that are carrying this out on a regular basis, why not actually get an agreement that is better for us, better than the JCPOA, if you care about that, and better for the region. So hopefully that's where this ends up. We'll have to see. The Iranians get a vote, but I don't know, quite frankly, what is acceptable to the US right now, whether they'll live with just a better version of the JCPOA.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Well, so President Trump was on his plane and he was asked about it and he, I don't know if he misspoke or what, but he did mention about like the nuclear program being the number one thing, not so much proxies, not so much ballistic missiles. So he has a meeting this week too. Bibi Netanyahu is coming to Washington again for like the seventh time, I think it is, to talk about this. So I have a, I have a feeling that after that meeting will be, you know, there'll be an Axios piece, you know, detailing what went down and where we stand exactly with this. But it kind of feels like we're moving the goalposts a little bit, like we don't want a deal to happen and we really want

• 17:12Speaker 02

  to bomb these guys. And it's like, that's a win. If they're down for like, you know, legitimately denuclearizing, getting rid of their uranium that's enriched to 60%, inspectors coming in, you know, like a real deal, actual thing. I mean, that's, that's as big of a diplomatic win that the administration is going to like, hope to get.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I am. I mean, I, of course, who knows what's happening, but I would disagree with the fact that. That we that the the import seems to be that there will be a war. I I think that's unknown, but I think I think some of the messaging coming from the administration is that Trump would be quite happy with a narrow nuclear deal combined with sanctions relief. He can paint that as

• 18:01Speaker 04

  I wouldn't.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  War without firing a shot. Iran could sell it as survival under pressure and the only unhappy party would be Israel. Because

• 18:12Speaker 04

  That's a good point.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Israel is going to think that negotiate successful negotiations will rescue the regime in Tehran when it looked weakened. It's a it's a kind of a 180 for Israel on the last month. Remember Netanyahu, when when the talk was backing the protests, Netanyahu commented in an interview with The Economist that revolutions are better undertaken or more likely to be successful if managed from within, was, you know, paraphrasing his quote, but he he was worried about regional instability. But now that it looks as though new negotiations might be something that the US is open to, keeping

• 18:54Speaker 03

  it narrow to just the nuclear issue, then then Israel is getting certainly very nervous, hence Netanyahu's planned visit here to the United States.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Well, like, listen.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Just it's not the first time, of course, he's made an effort to change American policy by talking directly to Congress, for instance, right?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, just to fact check myself. So I I knew that the USS George Bush carrier strike aircraft carrier strike crew had left Norfolk, but it's according to cyber overlords here, it's it's not known whether it's actually headed to the Middle East. So it has left, so maybe it is. That's what that's the other one I was referring to.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  But we already have two aircraft carrier groups there, right? Aircraft carrier carrier groups.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  So you have the USS Abraham Lincoln, which has accompanying ships. That's in the Gulf.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  And the other one in the Med, right?

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Destroyers. Well, which one's in the Med?

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I can't keep.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  I can't remember which, but.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  No, I have to look it up. Gotta give, gotta give factual information.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, listen, like, there was the JCPOA number, the first one. You know, that kind of looked, it seems like at least it dealt with the uranium issue. You know, relatively well, and Israel and specifically Bibi Netanyahu was dead set against it like he was.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  USS Gerald R. Ford. Sorry for interrupting. So that isn't the metaphor. Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. Substantially left. Sorry. I should have looked this up prior to this.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  No, it's all. So there's no, the Ford isn't there anymore?

• 20:42Speaker 04

  Said it left, yeah. So maybe it's getting replaced by the George Bush. They haven't announced that. But there's an aircraft carrier strike group and a lot of destroyers and.

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• 22:48Speaker 04

  which obviously I disagree with, but nobody's asking me. Then it would make sense to try to get to an agreement, a nuclear agreement. So you can then focus on the Western Hemisphere and homeland defense.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  What it actually says, yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, like if you're going to follow your actual strategy, then you won't want to deploy all the assets we're talking about to the Middle East. It's, it's counter to your own strategy, right? So that this is a way to get there.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we need to keep control. Yeah, we need them off the coast of Canada to keep those fuckers in line.

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  Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  But you're not wrong, Mick, right? Yeah, that whole, I mean, the whole thing is working, worrying about our regional whatever, you know? And it's, I also read that there's like a hundred plus like support aircraft that have been flown over, like C17s to, you know, refuelers and everything like over a hundred. So it's like, yeah, this doesn't really seem like the national defense strategy come to life.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Seems a little counter to it. Or a lot.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  So one thing we haven't really talked about is Turkey's role. You know, I, I was, I, I mean, part of it, I think is you can interpret is the fact that Erdogan likes to be seen as a, a global figure. I mean, that's another statement, right? That's how he, he paints himself to his population. He is kind of the reverse Addeturk, Addeturk took Turkey into the 20th century. And Erdogan wants to take it back to kind of the Ottoman Empire. And, and in other ways too.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  But he does, you know, the Turks are very nationalistic. I mean, if you

• 24:37Speaker 03

  if you ever been to Turkey or dealt with their military, or indeed just waded through Twitter one day, you will see that there's a lot of Turkish nationalism around. He has a strong base within Turkey and he likes to play to that base by being a player on the world stage. Yes, that's an element of it, but there's pragmatic reasons too. I mean, Turkey has a 500 kilometer border with Iran. So a war that involves Iran is not going to do Turkey any good.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  And if there is such a war, of course, Turkey's likely to be first stop for any refugee flow out of Iran.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  There's, there's good reasons for Turkey to, to oppose an attack on Iran. And but Erdogan's doing it in a smart way. He's not simply getting on, you know, speaking to the media and saying what a dumb idea it is. He's reaching out to President Trump, which shows how he, he really knows how to handle him. He lays on praise and then he says, hey, let me, you know, let me see what I can do on this. I think I may be able to reach an agreement that you're happy with.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Well, Erdogan's done it before, right? With Trump? I mean, when we like bailed out on the, you know, Kurds in Syria. I think it was Trump won, right? Yeah. You know, and everybody else was shocked.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  You know, and that was a crazy, you know, it was over one phone call, essentially. It wasn't like a planned strategy as far as I know. I mean, you were there, Mick, you know? That was your A O essentially, so.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, President Erdogan said he could, he would pick up the fight against ISIS. If we pulled out and left the Kurds on their own, that's why Secretary Mattis resigned. If you look back at the letter, and you know, we're still there, right? We're still there a hundred years later. It's still an issue, though, quite frankly, this issue is can back out with the US potentially leaving and really putting a lot of pressure on the SDF to accept the government in Damascus and integrate with it. So we'll see how that goes. Was the other issue I talked about, not really on the US media, this is the transfer

• 26:55Speaker 04

  of prisoners out of Syria to Iraq, because I think the US is concerned about the instability of the relationship. And right now, the SDF has been guarding these 7,000 prisoners for years, right? So, yes, but President Erdogan does have the ear of President Trump, for sure. I think you're both right that he knows how to talk to them. But most countries don't want to see an actual conflict again. And they don't want to see even even those that don't like the regime, I think probably have a very pragmatic view of what could replace it. And it's probably not a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, right?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  It's probably the strongest dude in IRGC that's left standing. And it's been believed that the IRGC leadership has been pro acquiring a nuclear weapon and that it was actually the supreme leader or is the supreme leader that has been the hesitancy. So the question for a lot of the individuals that are assessing what will come next is, would it be better or worse for the US perspective to remove the current leadership? Which is important to point out, Ayatollah is 86 years old. So this could happen tomorrow. I don't know his health, but without even the US doing anything. So.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  There's a lot of questions, I think, for the US to decide if they're going to ask for a maximalist actually agreement, not just posturing before the negotiations, then this will probably end up in a military conflict again, because I also don't think politically you can send all this to the Middle East and then not get an agreement and then just turn around and go home. Right? So we've kind of made the choice by sending all this, then we're going to use it if we don't get to an agreement, I think.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  And Mick brought up a good point to the Supreme Leader, Khomeini, even though, you know, he's waxing lyrical across the airwaves about what he, how he's going to punish the United States. His bark has always proven far worse than his bite. And because, and this isn't me praising the Supreme Leader, but he is a pragmatist, he's a rationalist, he understands the game. If he goes, as Mick pointed out, how, we don't know who comes next. So by, you know, the Iranian constitution, although I'm sure it's not referred to as that, the, there's something called the Assembly of Experts, right? That's the first time I've heard that term used outside this podcast.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  But the Assembly, the Assembly of Experts are, there are 88 clerics, but they're controlled very tightly by, guess who? The IRGC, of course. You know, I mean, we're beyond the stage where Iran really is a pure theology, right? Is that the right word? What's the word I'm looking for?

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Theocracy.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  Theocracy. Yeah. So I'm going to get Philo five for that too, along with Bradley Cooper. Yeah, so we're beyond that stage. I mean, the IRGC pretty much controls everything within the country. It's an immensely powerful organization and it's not renowned for its middle of the road, moderate views. So again, taking out Khomeini might not be the best thing to do, even if that's even on the table. But also, something not to look forward to is when he does actually pass of natural causes.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, what comes next?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yikes. Let me, I got a question because I'm sure some people are going to be wondering what, where you guys mentioned like, you know, Erdogan and his, his, uh, what he was doing was a pain in the ass for you guys. Are you guys referring to Syria?

• 31:07Speaker 04

  That was constant.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  And when we went into northern Iraq at the beginning was also a big headache.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  We went in there early before the war and then we got.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Not very popular among US special operations forces or the agency, put it that way.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Turks had guys in northern Iraq in 2015, 2016. And, uh, and, and with good intent to begin with to block ISIS, but they weren't there at the request of the, of the Iranian, I mean, sorry, the Iraqi government. And they were very problematic for us and of course in Syria on a number of occasions. But even on small things like using their, using their jammers to block our GPS and you know, during key points of the campaign against ISIS.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  They sent in their special operations with us when we first went into northern Iraq and they want to follow us around, but we eventually gave them our Xbox. I think it was an Xbox and then they didn't want to follow us around anymore.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Why, I mean. Yeah, they're like, oh.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Was that on purpose, Mick? You guys wanted to get rid of it?

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And it worked. They were like, yeah, we don't care so much anymore. What you guys?

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. So just to give people some context, Syria is like such an absolute clusterfuck or I mean, it still is, but it was really bad. You know, the Turks hate the Kurds. Right? Everybody hates ISIS essentially, even the Iranians, uh, even the Al Qaeda groups hate ISIS. Um, but you know, the Turks were supposedly with us. They would, you know, the Russians hated ISIS supposedly too, but they were backing Assad. I mean, I'm not doing a good job of it because it could be an entire episode in and of itself, but like it was such an absolute, like, just a confluence of like differing interests and stuff like that, that Syria, like somebody needs to write a fucking, a book about it because it's insane.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, our, you know, bottom line, our biggest problem with the Turks is always centered on the Kurdish piece. And, you know, you can, you can view it from a Turkish point of view that we did. Yes, the SDF, the SDF in, in practice covered quite a wide spectrum of Kurdish groups. And I'm not just talking about the SDF. I'm talking about groups, you know, that, that were aligned with US government at the time, our foreign policy interests aligned, right? Defeat of ISIS. But my point is this, that, that there were undoubtedly people within the groups that we supported who had previously taken action against Turkey. It's just, you'd be unrealistic to, to

• 33:51Speaker 03

  think anything otherwise. So that, you know, I'm not, I'm not justifying what the Turks have done. They've been a total pain in the ass. If you're a person. And, and, and by the way, you know, the way they treat the Kurds and have treated the Kurds in the past is pretty effing abysmal too. So no, this isn't a pro Turkish argument. I'm just saying from their point of view, we have, they will tell you that we have backed a terrorist organization. They're talking specifically about the PKK. And they're saying that we have backed them and funneled arms into them, which we have not done directly or by intent. But it may well have been that personnel and equipment crossed that thin memberless line between the multitude of Kurdish groups. Do you like that? That fell under the SDF.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they were, they were sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  The Turks have backed Arab militias in Syria on, and no doubt about it, with instructions to go up against and fight the SDF and drive them back to creating a buffer. But it was, at first, the Turks justified this in terms of creating a buffer. But then it became clear that they were after the annihilation of the SDF. There's no doubt about it. They don't want the SDF still in existence. And as we talked about on the show, Mick and I and many others know what the SDF has done to us. It's it's enabled us to win almost bloodlessly. And people are going to quibble with me, but minimal casualties.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  One of the most important campaigns of the last fifty, sixty years, and that was to fight against the Islamic State. When I say one of, that's probably an understatement. I can't think of another.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  You're here. Totally agree. And one of our positions of all, and by the way, they said the same thing about the Iraqi Kurds. It's a it's a it's a common refrain. Our argument has always been collectively.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  So it would be better for us not to be with them. Because if we're with them, I mean, I don't buy that all these, obviously, I'm pro Kurdish. But if you believed what the Turks said, then our presence would mitigate any threat from them because we're there, right? We're with them. So it never really, especially in the Pentagon, where it's pretty universal is how they view those two groups. It never really held a lot of weight for us because we were like, look, if we're with them and we're providing the weapons and we know how they're using them because we're with them, how is that? So you think you'd be better off for us to leave?

• 36:28Speaker 04

  So and again, to Andy's point, the SDF did ninety-nine percent of the fighting and dying to beat the Islamic State and take and destroy the caliphate. Or what they call the caliphate, so-called caliphate. And that's going to be good. That's going to go down in the in the legions of special operations and irregular warfare.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  Just is.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Also, like, you guys, you mentioned, Andy, like Erdogan and the Turks, you know, complaining that like we were supporting the SDF, which was, you know, YPG and the PKK were a part of.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  I mean, he's not, he wasn't, and Turkey wasn't supporting fucking Al-Nusra or like Jalani's old outfit or what, you know, HDS. Like, what are we, what are we talking about here?

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Certainly.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Certainly, the Turks backed Al-Jalani. They deny having backed Al-Samudra, but certainly they're openly and they were supporting Al-Jalani. And I mean, at the end of the day, Erdogan had a good argument for doing so. Frankly, a good pragmatic argument. He brought the war to an end. There's no doubt about it. That was the only group that reasonably could be expected to do it. And the Turks backed it. They were in the right place. I mean, you know, give the Turks credit where they do. I mean, we've blundered around in the least backing the wrong groups every time. Erdogan by luck or by design chose the right group. Okay, I'm not, that's not an ethical

• 38:01Speaker 03

  comment about Al-Jalani and his band of merry men. It's a comment about the fact that it was the one group that was in position, postured, and could overthrow the Syrian regime, given some backing. So, I mean, yeah, it was successful and vastly successful, the Turks. It was a blow to the Iranians, a blow to the Russians, and a threat to some extent to some of our interests in the region, as we talked about, represented by the SDF, who are kind of our conduit to intelligence and also to potential proxy action against the Islamic State and Syria.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  But, you know, back to the Turks, they see those Kurdish armed groups, they see the SDF on its borders as an existential threat. That's no exaggeration. And they view the SDF, and they always will view any Kurdish groups, although the SDF are not exclusively Kurdish, as we talked about here, but they view them through the lens of the PKK insurgency, which continues inside Turkey.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  And in a lot of ways, that's just a boogeyman. If you think about it, I mean, how big is the Turkish military? Are they really that concerned about, you know, invasion by the SDF? I mean, come on, it's it's more like if I need to have a a distraction from my own issues with how, you know, he's handling Turkey and the economy, then it's the Kurds are always the boogeyman, right? We're on the verge of, it's just not.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  It's like a quick way to like spark like nationalism up of, you know, so they have to worry about thirty percent inflation.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  But there is, there there's something, I agree with all of that, and I'm not saying that, trust me, I'm a I'm a Kurdish fan through and through. I've spent, I, you know, I spent a deployment in in twenty sixteen in the autonomous region of of Kurdistan backing the Pershmerga against the Islamic State. So I'm invested in it. I've written about it. I was very dismayed at you at talks about US forces pulling out of Syria for all of these reasons. But back to the Turks. So the mainstay of Kurdish presence in the SDF is an organization called the YPG. And the Turks see the PKK and the YPG as being synonymous. They're not, but as I've said, there's

• 40:24Speaker 03

  there's a shaded area in the Venn diagram. Of course there is, because all groups up there, especially all Turkish groups, uh, have to coordinate and collaborate to some extent, even groups that hate one another.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, so true. Well, I'm in a house that's very pro Kurdish. We've got a lot of former Delta folks in here right now. Um, and they did a lot of the heavy lifting out there. So, um, it's just, uh, it's something that we should recognize. It's cast to do with the way the US treats partners and allies. Um, shouldn't be disposable, shouldn't be transactional, uh, all the time. Like, that's the way it is oftentimes in the Middle East especially. But I think the US should should honor its partners and allies.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  And a different.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  I got a question. How do you think the now, like two thousand twenty six, how does how do the Kurds feel about the US now?

• 41:22Speaker 04

  It's hard.

• 41:25Speaker 04

  I think the SDF Kurds are they're they feel a bit betrayed. I know they are because they're telling me, but I know I know them and they're texting me and they feel a bit betrayed, but they also, you know, they they have endured a lot as a as a people, so they will persevere, they will succeed, I think, but they I think they have rightful concerns about

• 41:54Speaker 04

  the loyalty of the US government, not the people they work with in military and agency who they have lifelong friends with, but.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  But high level policy, right?

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, a lot of them feel betrayed right now, put it that way, especially in the Syrian Kurds.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, for the SDF, I mean, they they want to hold on to the territory they have in Syria as an autonomous region in the same way as the Kurds in northern Iraq have an autonomous region. They want continued US protection and specifically guarantees against Turkish attacks, you know, which all of which seems quite reasonable, right? But the problem is the the fear that I think a lot of us have, I have, if I can speak for other people, is that as Erdogan creeps his way into US good graces, that there's going to be a price to it and the price he's going to ask for, what is he, what does he want above all else from the US?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  He wants us just saying, hey, you take Syria, you do what you want there to include against the SDF. That's that's really, I would argue, what Erdogan wants, wants beyond the regional stability.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  That'll play in his favor.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, again, Syria is so fucking insanely intriguing, the the interests that are go on in there. It still is. I mean, obviously, you know, we'll see if the guy, if Al Shara wants to be a George Washington or he wants to be Napoleon, right?

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, the, you know, bottom line is Washington can never, can never satisfy Ankara and the Kurds at the same time.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  I mean, it, it, so it's a line that, that US administrations, not just this one, will always have to walk. But for all the reasons that we have given, I mean, there are ways to keep Turkey on side. They need us to, other than through the Kurds. And there are plenty of reasons, not just emotional, in fact, a minority of them emotional, pragmatic. And then things that have to do with the values of this country that to, to throw up our partners as soon as they cease to be useful to us. It's not a good precedent for, for when we need partners again, as undoubtedly we will in future conflicts.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, that's all I got, guys. You guys have anything else? Want to wrap this up?

• 44:31Speaker 03

  No. Yeah, no, that was, that was not, I like this, I like this new time. That's, oh, it's an old time for you.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  The time zone.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Well, not yet. You're back in the eastern seaboard. Well, you're not really, but sort of. Anyway. I want you guys to do me a favor. I want you guys to check out Mick's new podcast, The Pub and the Porch Applied Stoicism. That link's in the description. The, uh, Whitefish Security Conference. Sorry, Mick, I keep forgetting the name, but it's April 2nd to the 4th. Go ahead.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, so right now it's called the Montana Intelligence Summit and it's going to switch to the Whitefish Security Summit. That's why you're.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  There you go. Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  But it's the same thing.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  In the description as well. And a ton of people, if you see the list of people who are talking at it, it's, you know, Admiral Bill McRaven. And, and a lot more folks. So Andy Milburn.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Stan McChrystal is the headline.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Sorry, I fucked that up. Stan McChrystal. I love.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  We'd love to get McRaven next year, so.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's someone to hope for.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Bunch of mix.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  You said it.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  You knew I had to say it. You knew I had to.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  You said it.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  I can say it.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  I know. That's why. It's okay. Andy Milburn, When the Tempest Gathers, that link's in the description, as well as his great new article on War on the Rocks. That link is also in the description. And patreon.com/the team house. You get eyes on and team house episodes ad free and early and you help support the show. All right, I'm out of breath. Thanks, guys.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  All right, fellas.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  Thanks, Jeff.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  Take care.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today. Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds, up to $200,000, right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending

• 59:32Speaker 05

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• 59:46Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Jenna Ushkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At The Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:00:00Jack Murphy?

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:00:16Speaker 06

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At The Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At The Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

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• 1:01:13Jack Murphy?

  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Zolair 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people one year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Zolair, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Zolair. Zolair may cause a severe, life-threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Zolair should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Zolair is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, while avoiding food allergens. Serious side effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection, or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see zolair.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist about Zolair. This is an advertisement for Zolair,

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