#159 Jane Doe - Terror Playbook: Sleeper Cells, Biological Weapons and Invisible Bombs

"Jane Doe" is one of the world's foremost experts on Al Qaeda. In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Jane - who agreed to share this info under condition of anonymity - explains exactly who is behind Al Qaeda's actions, how they operate, and what they might do next. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://tryarmra.com/srs https://cozyearth.com/srs https://hexclad.com/srs https://patriotmobile.com/srs https://rocketmoney.com/srs https://www.bubsnaturals.com/shawn https://betterhelp.com/srs This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/srs and get on your way to being your best self. Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  Jane Doe, welcome to the Sean Ryan Show.

• 1:08Speaker 05

  Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

• 1:10Shawn Ryan?

  I really appreciate you coming. Sarah Adams, a really good friend of mine and repeat guest on Sean Ryan Show, connected us, what, about a month ago, I think? And so, I know you're traveling from overseas. Will not say where. But she says that you are the world's leading expert on Al Qaeda. And I've been talking to Sarah, Scott Mann, legend. We even flew all the way to Vienna to interview Masood, who's the leader of the National Resistance Front. Kind of took the torch from his dad, who was assassinated by Bin Laden just a few days before 9/11. And we've been trying to get out,

• 1:55Shawn Ryan?

  you know, what Taliban, what Al Qaeda, what ISIS, Al-Shabaab, all these terrorist networks have been up to on the show. And it's been really, really hard to kind of get people's attention. The mainstream media just refuses to cover it. I don't know why. And unfortunately, it took the attack on January 1st of 2025 this year to kind of get people. Really looking at it and um and so now you have the whole world listening and um I know there was some some some some attacks in Europe at the Christmas market Sarah actually uh I wouldn't she told us that was gonna happen I don't know if you would call that

• 2:39Shawn Ryan?

  a prediction or if that was just flat out that I mean intelligence that's being brought to this show is coming to fruition and now that people know that people are paying attention and and so I just I know that takes a lot of courage to come out here and be on this show and uh so thank you for being here.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  Thank you for the invitation.

• 3:02Shawn Ryan?

  And uh just a quick introduction so today we're gonna hide your identity we'll call you Jane Doe due to the nature of your work combating terrorism again welcome to the show you're one of the leading experts in the world regarding the Al Qaeda terrorist network you're an ISAF veteran and former intelligence analyst you completed multiple tours in Afghanistan thank you for sitting down with us today this conversation's gonna help a lot of people and um and and this is from Sarah I was texting with her tomorrow this morning and um so a lot of people have a lot of faith in in in Sarah Adams and what

• 3:43Shawn Ryan?

  she has to say because because things are happening that she said would happen multiple things both overseas and and here and so she texted me this morning she said Jane is humble but you not only have the number one expert in the world right now on AQ central leadership but she has completely infiltrated them what is in her head will save lives no doubt have a great interview and so if Sarah says that

• 4:14Shawn Ryan?

  That carries a lot of weight, not only with me, but to this audience. And as the audience grows more into the global scale, again, thank you for being here and emptying out what's in your head and what you know about these terrorist organizations to the entire world. I know that that comes at a cost.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  Thank you. I'm trying to do my best. I mean, it's, yeah, Al Qaeda is very sophisticated. And Sarah has been doing an amazing job. And I've been working with her in the last two years, trying to put the pieces together to understand what happened, you know, around 2021, what has happened, what's been happening now. So, yeah, I'm trying to give you during this interview, kind of, that what we know.

• 5:14Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:26Speaker 05

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• 5:40Speaker 05

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• 5:42Shawn Ryan?

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• 5:44Shawn Ryan?

  And they're made here in the USA, so those are hard to come by, as we're sold out again. But, and then the other thing, before we do start the interview, I have a Patreon account. Patreon's a subscription network. And so one of the things we do, they've been around here forever, since before I even started this show, I used to teach tactics, which is weird saying that, seeing what this has developed into. But, but one of the things that I do for them is I offer...

• 6:17Shawn Ryan?

  I offer them an opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. They've been with us here since the beginning. They're the reason that I get to sit here and the reason that you get to sit here. And so this is kind of the least I can do for my community. And so this question is from Kyle M. When dealing with a threat such as a VBIAID or any other explosion, mass shooting kind of event, what are the proper precautions to take when analyzing for potential secondary attacks? Then there's a follow-on. Such as more shooters and secondary explosions, how does someone know whether to stay, fight,

• 6:58Shawn Ryan?

  help the wounded, or retreat to a known safe location until the chance of a secondary threat is greatly mitigated?

• 7:05Speaker 05

  Oh, that's an easy question. I mean, we used to face this in Afghanistan, right? We had all these very tough decisions to make every day. I think the key here, what we are facing, I mean, these complex attacks, is that how we can put together the first responders, right? I mean, when we talk about casualties, you know, okay, let the medics take care of that. Or just trying to catch, you know, the shooters, I mean, that's on the police. Or what the community can do, yeah, that's another question.

• 7:49Speaker 05

  I think here what the challenge is going to be is that what if we have two attacks, or three, or four, or five, at the same time, the same place?

• 8:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 05

  I mean, the key in here that the responders not, I mean, not to drag all of them to one spot. So it's all about, I think the key going to be organization. What the local people can do, you know, it's America, people have weapon. I mean, you have large numbers of veterans, special forces communities, obviously, they can be kind of involved. The risk in here, it's like what happened during the Hamas attack. I don't know if you heard about the Hannibal Directive?

• 8:45Speaker 05

  Then the Hamas attackers got into the music festival.

• 8:49Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  And the military got the order to shoot. And the military said, yeah, but we don't know who are the attackers. I mean, it's not clearly visible. And they said, doesn't matter, just stop them. So obviously, there were casualties.

• 9:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  So I think that's a that's a huge risk in here when we talk about multiple attacks. How you stop them, how you can contain them. And local population, I mean, it's just law enforcement.

• 9:23Shawn Ryan?

  I have a feeling this question comes from Kyle Morgan, uh, who was a prior guest on this show, uh, former Delta operator, US Special Forces. And he responded to a terrorist attack, I believe it was Al Shabab.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 9:39Shawn Ryan?

  At the Radisson Blue in Mali. And, um, I can't remember exactly how long the gunfight is was. I believe it was like a sixteen hour gunfight slash rescue mission. And when nobody else would answer the call, it was him. And I know that that still haunts him to this day. And now with the threat that we face here in the US and also in Europe, um, I know this is on everybody's mind. So just to kind of, uh, expound on on his question here, um, you know, what? Is there anything, is there anything that? So let's say it was a, a IED, a bomb.

• 10:19Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 10:21Shawn Ryan?

  In my experience being overseas in Afghanistan, that was.

• 10:27Shawn Ryan?

  I wouldn't say all the time, but in several cases, it was an initiation with a follow on attack of shooters. Would that, would you say that if in a IED, a bomb went off in a location, it would be, could you expect shooters to come? Are you picking up that kind of?

• 10:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. I mean, when we talk about VBID or or IED, I mean, in Afghanistan, it was mainly targeting convoys, right?

• 10:54Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  VBID is is just targeting, you know, the, the, the population when you have a crowd. I would expect here on US soil or in Europe, I mean, when we talk about VBIED, it's going to be target, it's going to target specific locations. I mean, because the key, I believe, at least the information until now I have is that attack with an explosion is just going to be kind of the, the beginning of an attack which is coming after. Okay, so, and, and the key of that is to drag the first responders to one side.

• 11:38Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  Okay, so imagine that if you have, I don't know, it's really just a wide example, so it's nothing to do with information, like getting a suicide bomber into a museum, where obviously you can have high casualties, right?

• 11:53Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  And the first responders will be there, I mean, several ambulance cars, the police, you know, just close the vicinity of the area, and mass shooting is starting on the other side of the city.

• 12:07Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so it would be to, it's a diversion.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 12:11Shawn Ryan?

  It's a diversion with mass casualty event.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:14Shawn Ryan?

  And then a follow-on attack somewhere else in the city or throughout the country.

• 12:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, and, and the key is to not have a response. So until now, what I know is that, just, just imagine that you have an explosion in one place and you have just, I don't know, 1,000 people around, everyone is calling 911. That's a massive hit on the communication system, right? Because everyone is calling 911, and, and it's one location. So then phone calls, thousands are coming from another location. It's, it's, it's, I, I can't, I can't imagine how the system is going to handle that, and we are just talking about communication.

• 13:00Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know how you would handle that. You would have to be very smart about how you allocate resources, or have at least a team, maybe a SWAT team, or two SWAT teams sitting behind

• 13:15Shawn Ryan?

  to respond to a follow-on. Do you think we'll see that? So that doesn't just apply to bombs? That would apply to any attack. Could be a diversion.

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, that's the key. That's really the key, that it's going to be so hard to encounter it. And it's just back to the question, I think the United States has this, I mean, you have a lot of veterans. Just imagine that something is happening around where you live. You know, I know you, and you will grab the weapon, you know, and you do your job, because you are trained for it. But in Europe, we don't have it. We don't have this large number of veterans.

• 14:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, nor can you carry a weapon.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  No. No, but with these attacks, yeah, at least until what I know now is that, yeah, it's going to be probably one attack, make a huge diversion, overstretching the responders, and then just do the next one.

• 14:26Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that Europe is a lot more vulnerable to this than the United States?

• 14:32Speaker 05

  Oh, absolutely.

• 14:33Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think they'll start there?

• 14:36Speaker 05

  It's difficult, because, you know, everything, anything can trigger the attacks. And that's the key here. That's what I'm trying to figure out, how they work, how they think. I'm just telling an example, can be that we stop funding the Taliban, and just, okay, let's do it.

• 14:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I hope that we stop funding the Taliban.

• 15:01Speaker 05

  Oh, I hope so.

• 15:02Shawn Ryan?

  I have to say this on every show, even though every time we talk about this, even on other shows, when I interviewed Donald Trump, when I interviewed J.D. Vance, I talk about it, but we are, we are currently funding the Taliban. According to legend, Sir Adams and Masood, we, the U.S. is currently funding Taliban forty to eighty-seven million dollars a week, flown into cat, as cash into Afghanistan through NGOs, and it was to my understanding, I believe, since, since the Afghan withdrawal, the Taliban has set up over nine hundred, and this is even six-month-old news, so I'm

• 15:43Shawn Ryan?

  sure it's more than that, over nine hundred NGOs, uh, kind of, kind of, uh, facade NGOs that just funnels the money right back into the terrorist organization.

• 15:54Speaker 05

  Yes, absolutely, but also when we talk about the cash delivery is that, so the plane is landing, there is a UN personnel, you know, because part of it is, you know, the cash for UNOMO, but there are additional bags.

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• 17:33Shawn Ryan?

  I know everybody out there has to be just as frustrated as I am when it comes to the BS and the rhetoric that the mainstream media continuously tries to force feed us. And I also know how frustrating it can be to try to find some type of a reliable news source. It's getting really hard to find the truth and what's going on in the country and in the world. And so, one thing we've done here at Sean Ryan Show is we are developing our newsletter. And the first contributor to the newsletter that we have is a woman, former CIA targeter. Some of you may know her as Sarah Adams, call sign superbad. She's made two different appearances here on the Sean Ryan Show.

• 18:16Shawn Ryan?

  And some of the stuff that she has uncovered and broke on this show is just absolutely mind blowing. And so, I've asked her if she would contribute to the newsletter and give us a weekly intelligence brief. So, it's going to be all things terrorists. How terrorists are coming up through the southern border, how they're entering the country, how they're traveling, what these different terrorist organizations throughout the world are up to. And here's the best part, the newsletter is actually free. We're not going to spam you. It's about one newsletter a week, maybe two, if we release two shows. The only other thing that's going to be in there besides the intel brief is if we have a new product or something like that.

• 19:00Shawn Ryan?

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• 20:17Shawn Ryan?

  I also have to say that Congressman Tim Burchett out of Tennessee is the only one, the only one that has been on this since the beginning. There's been some more congressmen that have gotten involved with this, but even, even our two senators here in Tennessee, I personally spoke to one of them to get this push because it got, it got stopped at the senate and it just fell on deaf ears. It fell on deaf ears. Our congress here, or, no, excuse me, not our congress, our senate here, our government is not taking this seriously. And, and these senators, these congressmen that aren't taking this seriously need to be held accountable. And so I would, I would urge the audience to

• 21:01Shawn Ryan?

  pay attention to what your congressman and what your senators are doing because if they don't take this stuff seriously, as we saw on January 1st in New Orleans, people are going to die. They're going to die. And moving back, just rewind in just a minute back to the terrorist, the follow-on attacks and you were talking about, you know, the, kind of the second amendment here in the US and how that could play a role in stopping attacks as they happen. Do you think that...

• 21:35Shawn Ryan?

  Or maybe do you know, not do you think, do you know if these terrorist organizations, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, Al Shabab, the Islamic Brotherhood, I believe that's what they're going by now, do they take that into account in their intelligence gathering? Do they look at this country does not, its citizens are unable to defend itself, this state has very strict gun rights or no gun rights, they're not able to defend themselves? Don't go to Tennessee where everybody here carries a gun to defend themselves. Do they, are they aware of that and do they take that into account?

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it always impresses me how they work. I mean, how they assess situation, how they have these great abilities of observation, learning. And they see the struggle what we are having. You know, they are just following the news. It's so simple. I mean, if you see a state where there is like always negative news about, for example, the police is a target. Why? Because the population don't trust.

• 23:00Shawn Ryan?

  You're talking about the states that have defunded the police?

• 23:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's just examples, you know, so they are really watching us.

• 23:08Shawn Ryan?

  They're in tune with us?

• 23:09Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 23:10Shawn Ryan?

  And they take that into account?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  They know our politicians. So they, it's really interesting in the last two months, three months since President Trump got elected, the change, even how they communicate inside a group.

• 23:29Shawn Ryan?

  What has changed?

• 23:32Speaker 05

  That, I mean, they felt safe before, you know, freedom of movement, freedom of operation, they've got the money. So now they kind of struggle to see what's going to happen. They had, you know, the Doha agreement, it was during the Trump presidency when it was signed. So now they don't know what's going to happen. And that worries them and it makes them, I think, less predictable.

• 24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting, interesting. You know, I had, I've thought a lot about this and not only with terrorist organizations, but also the Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese. I mean, in my opinion, it would have been not in their best interest to attack under the Biden administration. Because the weakening of the country is just happening at such a rapid pace. And I try to, I try to think like them. And so if I were them, I would have waited until that election happened to see who was going to win, to see if the country would continue to weaken.

• 24:46Shawn Ryan?

  And if it had continued to weaken under a Harris administration, which it would have, with the open borders, with the immigration policies, with the, with basically just the negligence that we saw throughout the entire country and in the world.

• 25:05Shawn Ryan?

  If I were them, I would not have attacked until

• 25:10Shawn Ryan?

  until a stronger president comes into power. Because at that point, the weakening stops and it starts to strengthen. And so what I thought they would do is they would hit us at our weakest point, which... They did, on January 1st.

• 25:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were very happy, you know, with the administration because, you know, they were, I mean, Al Qaeda was denied, money is flowing, so it's just better, you know, to keep a low profile, you know, to stay under the radar, you know, you do your business, and that's fine.

• 25:51Shawn Ryan?

  And keep infiltrating.

• 25:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, and keep infiltrating. I mean, I mean, open border, but I see that in Europe, so it's not just a problem of the United States. In Europe, I mean, it's when the refugees are coming, you know, we have a law, and we are not sending people back.

• 26:13Shawn Ryan?

  Sarah had mentioned that there is at least, at least 1,000 terrorists that have infiltrated the United States. I'm surprised that it's not more, but it sounds like, you know, Sarah only reports facts, and so, or gathers factual information. And so, I'm curious to hear inside, are there more than 1,000, are there more than 1,000 confirmed terrorists that have set up sleeper cells within the United States?

• 26:43Speaker 05

  Well, my numbers are quite the same. What I would add to this, it's just attackers, and we haven't talked about facilitators.

• 26:56Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean by facilitators?

• 26:58Speaker 05

  Facilitators, for example, we have the war on Gaza, which obviously has a huge impact, and not just on Muslim population. If you see the protests, you know, what we had, I mean, it's going to be so easy to find facilitators who are going to take care of, I don't know, one money transfer, who is going to help attackers to get into a building, because, I feel you, I'm with you, brother.

• 27:29Shawn Ryan?

  So they will find these facilitators at those protests?

• 27:32Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, just, you know, like, the ISIS claim that the New Orleans attacker was not an ISIS member, was just a sympathizer.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  So and we see what happened.

• 27:43Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 27:44Speaker 05

  And Sean, it's a lot.

• 27:46Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh. Wow.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  And it's just growing every day.

• 27:51Shawn Ryan?

  So these thousand, these thousand plus that are confirmed to be within the United States borders, are they grouped together in pairs? Are they singletons all throughout the United States? Is there a thousand different locations that all these people are at? And those are the facilitators? Those are recruiters? Those are facilitators? Those are planners on future attacks? Or are they grouping up in ten different places and a hundred? Or are they grouping up in twenty different places of fifty? Or do you understand what I'm saying?

• 28:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I think, I mean, we are talking about small cells. Okay, so it's from operational point of view, it's really wise to keep them separated. You know, if one falls, you know, one cell gets discovered, you still have the other ten or fifteen safe. So I believe, at least what I know, they are not communicating much between each other. So the cells are staying separated from each other. It's how many cities and where? We still don't know. We are working on it.

• 29:06Shawn Ryan?

  Do we have any confirmations of where they may be?

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Um, we have some, some, but we couldn't confirm it yet. I mean, not yet. We are working on it.

• 29:17Shawn Ryan?

  How many of them infiltrated Europe?

• 29:20Speaker 05

  I think it's more than a thousand. It's easier, you know, they come as refugees. And I mean, they just simply get in, you know? So they walk through and I think countries have this very, I mean, the United States has its database, right? Um, big part of it is coming from Afghanistan. You know, you had all the names, backgrounds. Um, Europe doesn't have this big database. If they are sharing between, I mean, between Europe or the United States, I don't know that. But I know it was one guy who...

• 30:01Speaker 05

  Read Greece in 2019 as an Afghan refugee. And it was a case study. No one questioned why he ran away from Afghanistan in 2019, when we still had the government. But he was a refugee. And it was taken by a European country. And after a few months, he just grabbed a knife and killed two women. And the narrative was, I believe it's a narrative, is that he had mental problems. So, you know, is this thinking, you know, 2019, why did he need to run away from Afghanistan?

• 30:46Speaker 05

  Why was he a refugee? No one is asking. Was taken there to that European country and killed two women?

• 30:55Shawn Ryan?

  Why are they, why are they formulating these narratives? Why don't they just call it for what it is? Is it to, is it to try to contain mass hysteria or try to contain fear throughout the population? Or is it they don't want to bring light on terrorist organizations? Or what? Why are they coming up with these narratives?

• 31:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's an interesting question. I'm asking this almost every day. That I think it's sort of a protection also, that, you know, it's leave the people in the delusion that they are safe. You know, you are safe, you are not questioning. But also, the other thing is just think of it, if you, just using this case study, that if you have an Afghan coming and killed two women, you start to question, what's going on in Afghanistan? Right? But when you start to question it, you get answers. When you have answers, you have to do something. No one wants to do anything related to Afghanistan. No one.

• 31:58Shawn Ryan?

  So it's to, it's to, it's basically to save their own power?

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:05Shawn Ryan?

  They don't want to talk about it because they don't want to be removed or elected out or removed from power.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:11Shawn Ryan?

  So they want everybody to know, hey, it's safe. This is just a one-off. This is a spin-off. This is, this is nothing to be worried about. It's just a coincidence this has happened. They don't want the fear to come or, they don't want to...

• 32:26Shawn Ryan?

  They don't want to reveal the truth of what's going on because if they did, they would show how incompetent they actually are in office.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  And yeah, and it's also, you know, having successful four years. Because it's what I can see, it's all about, I mean, related to al Qaeda and Afghanistan. So it's what's going on in there. It's all about short-term political agenda. And not about long-term solutions. So it's, you know, it's something like this. This is what I can see. I mean, related to Afghanistan as a narrative. Move on. There is nothing to see here. Move on. So everything related to Afghanistan is just buried.

• 33:10Shawn Ryan?

  We saw that. We've seen that.

• 33:12Speaker 05

  And this mental issues, that's the main narrative now in Europe.

• 33:19Shawn Ryan?

  What is it?

• 33:20Speaker 05

  It's the attacker had mental issues, mental problems.

• 33:25Shawn Ryan?

  It's an ideology problem?

• 33:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:28Shawn Ryan?

  Well, well, you know, I'm, I'm really concerned. I know every time I cover this, more and more people get concerned. I'm actually extremely concerned that Sebastian Gorka took the Director of Counterterrorism role here within the United States. The guy has zero background. I don't know why he was placed in that position. He doesn't know what he's doing. And hopefully, somebody more competent takes that role like Scott Mann or Sarah Adams. Speaking of Scott Mann, Sarah Adams, this is another, I don't know if I'd call it a positive, but I just, I just want the audience to know that there are people out there that are,

• 34:09Shawn Ryan?

  that are trying to reach local communities. I know you're a big part of this. Scott Mann, retired Lieutenant Colonel Green Beret out of Special Forces. Sarah Adams, former CIA intelligence analyst and targeter. I know you're involved in this. You guys are coming out with a book called The Gathering Storm. And Scott Mann and Sarah have been flying around the country. To anybody that will listen to what they're trying to, to, to, to what they're saying to try to prepare the local communities as our politicians continue to fail. In fact, They're coming here to my county to brief an entire panel at our sheriff's department.

• 34:53Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, I talked to the sheriff, they're coming here, we're having, we're actually having a panel here coming up on, on everything that they've uncovered. And, um, and along with, with you, uh, what you've uncovered, cause I know they take everything that you have, uh, very seriously. And so, so that's what they're doing, but, but, and, and so sheriff's departments, police departments, lots of, uh, local governments, uh, very small communities are, they're listening as our federal government, state government continue to, to, to fail us. And so can you, can you talk a little bit about, um, what the gathering storm, um, um, operation looks like and what exactly it is?

• 35:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So we, there, there is part of the book where we put together actually what we knew. Uh, there is a, um, part of it, for example, which is about al Qaeda, the changes it went through, how it's operating in and from Afghanistan, what are the other bases? And, um, yeah, it's, I, I think, I, I want to highlight something because it's really important. I think it's pretty amazing in America here that you have people listening. I, I think it's, it's really, it really shows that people are taking this seriously. We don't have this in Europe.

• 36:18Shawn Ryan?

  You don't?

• 36:19Speaker 05

  No, no, you, no, we don't.

• 36:20Shawn Ryan?

  Even after what happened at the Christmas market, nobody's listening?

• 36:23Speaker 05

  No, no, no one. No, and there is nothing to see here.

• 36:26Shawn Ryan?

  You need to move here.

• 36:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, uh, and yeah, we are focusing on local communities, you know, and trying to share what we know. Because I think, you know, it's, it's, we always call it, it's critical information. If you have the intel, you can, you can be prepared. You can prepare the people, you can prepare the law enforcement, you can, you can prepare the first responders, right?

• 36:55Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  And I think it's a huge advantage. And this is necessary to do that. I struggled a little bit in the beginning, okay, we are creating mass hysteria, people are going to panic. But, and I get this question, it's just, what if you are wrong? And I always say, okay, let's turn the question, what if I'm right? Or what if we are right? And there will be no response?

• 37:22Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I can answer that question right now. What if you're wrong? Well, what if you are wrong? Well, then we're all better prepared for what might come. And you're right. What if you're right?

• 37:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:35Shawn Ryan?

  Which January 1st proved that you are.

• 37:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. And just a little bit how we work, that Sarah has her own line, I have my own line, I have a partner, he has his own line. So we are using minimum three independent networks. So we verify information.

• 37:59Shawn Ryan?

  You've infiltrated all of these terrorist organizations, number one being Al Qaeda, correct?

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, I did.

• 38:09Shawn Ryan?

  How did you do that?

• 38:10Speaker 05

  I think it, I mean, when Al Qaeda said, and it was stated in 2016, it was Al Zawahiri who said that Al Qaeda wants to return to Afghanistan. And...

• 38:26Shawn Ryan?

  Could you say that again?

• 38:28Speaker 05

  In 2016, Al Zawahiri stated that Al Qaeda wants to return to Afghanistan. It was in 2016 when he stated that. And it's an easy, you know, for them, they are one, you know, the ideology is the same. So it was an understandable choice. But we have our allies there. So, and the interesting part when we talk about this is that the Afghans are not so happy about Al Qaeda being there. The Taliban is. But the Afghan population, I mean, generally, they are not.

• 39:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it seems that the the local Afghan populace is is obviously very concerned. They made a lot of headway when we were there, and now that's completely demolished. And and then, you know, another thing that Sarah told us is that Hansa bin Laden is still alive, even after we reported that apparently he was dead. And so it's to my understanding that Hansa bin Laden is marrying into all these different terrorist networks. He's married into the Taliban, Al Qaeda, all these all these terrorist networks to form the the Islamic Brotherhood.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:52Shawn Ryan?

  And and so now he's basically taken, would you call him competitors?

• 39:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:59Shawn Ryan?

  He's taken competitors and he's united them all with one common goal being

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:06Shawn Ryan?

  Being to take out the West.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  Oh, it's not just Hamza, actually. His brother are so married recently to a woman from the Haqqani network. So they are, yeah, they are they are one. And and actually, you know, they they didn't even hide it, because it was stated several times. Now they are not hiding. I mean, Hamza is wandering around in Afghanistan, and even if you ask an average Afghan, okay, who is, you know, like educated, knows who Hamza bin Laden is, and they are telling you. I mean, it was, I think, two weeks ago, I I texted to a couple of people I I I knew

• 40:49Speaker 05

  I know from the past, and and when I ask, okay, so Hamza bin Laden, no one said, no, no, he is dead. But, I mean, to deny that he is alive is deliberate. It's not because they don't have the intel, they know there he is alive.

• 41:09Shawn Ryan?

  They do.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  I believe so.

• 41:11Shawn Ryan?

  Why are they hiding that? Why did they try to hide that?

• 41:14Speaker 05

  Um, because you otherwise you have to do something. I mean, how could you explain? I mean, just imagine that you are you are a political leader, and someone is coming to you and saying that, hey, Sean, Hamza is alive. Yeah, I don't want to know that, because when you take it, oh, seriously? You have to do something, because people will ask, Sean, why aren't you do something? Why is he still alive?

• 41:42Shawn Ryan?

  MI6 reported him alive, is that my correct?

• 41:45Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 41:47Shawn Ryan?

  What other countries' intelligence organizations are now reporting that, revealing that he's alive?

• 41:55Speaker 05

  It's the British, they do, and they really don't understand. I mean, I'm pretty sure you heard that it already appeared in the British news that Hamza bin Laden is alive. So it was intentionally leaked to the British media, you know, kind of warning the people to trying to do something. The Australians knew that he is alive. It was a little bit of confusion in the beginning because when Hamza appeared, Abdullah bin Laden, you know, the brother, he was in Afghanistan, and it was even in the UN report in 2021.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  So when Hamza appeared first, and I've got the information, I started to question, are you sure it's Hamza? It's, yeah, yeah, it's Hamza, are you sure it's not Abdullah bin Laden? And they said, no, no, no, it's Hamza bin Laden. And then after two months, I could find an NDS, a former NDS officer, who said that, yeah, Hamza is alive.

• 42:59Shawn Ryan?

  Real quick, NDS is basically, was basically the Afghanistan's version of MI6 or CIA. It's their intelligence, it's their intelligence organization.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, so they reported after four or five, we tried to, you know, see that, it was four or five months after that they reported to the US and X that Hamza bin Laden is alive. And according to sources, there was even a photo attached, was taken in Paktia of Hamza.

• 43:35Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, wow. Do you think that, we'll get more into Hansa here in a bit, but one thing too, I just want to say that we spoke about the gathering storm. Look, this is the best of what we have right now. And it is, it's coming from a former intelligence targeter, yourself, former, current intel analyst, Scott Mann, retired Lieutenant Colonel Green Beret, we're going to link that below. This is, right now, this is pretty much the only way to prepare yourself, your community, get that to your local leaders. We'll link that below for everybody to take, take advantage of.

• 44:20Shawn Ryan?

  It's not even out yet, but I'm, I'm not sure when it releases, but it will be very soon. I spoke to Scott last night and he said he's, he's finished with it. But one more thing, do you, before we move into all the other stuff that we're going to talk about, do you think that these, do you think these terrorist organizations will start to target specific individuals, much like what we saw with Joe Kent's wife, who the former, the, the DIA intelligence officer, a really good friend of mine, Scotty Wertz, was killed in that, he was protecting her, and they targeted them at a restaurant, made

• 45:04Shawn Ryan?

  a car bomb, blow him, killed him with a car bomb. And do you think that we'll start to see individuals within Europe, within the United States? Will there be individual targets, or will, in addition to mass casualty events?

• 45:23Speaker 05

  I think it's in the pack, you know, if you, I, I know that Iran has his own list, you know, who should be killed, also al-Qaeda, in 2023 December, also mentioned three people, one is Elon Musk, the other one, I don't remember his name, he is related to economics.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  So yeah, they have, they have a list to do that. The, I think can be a twist in here that Al Qaeda and the Taliban, they have very good relationship with organized crime groups.

• 46:00Shawn Ryan?

  Meaning cartels?

• 46:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, cartels. For example, Sirajuddin Hakani has this amazing cooperation and relationship with the Albanian mafia, which is controlling half of Europe. They have network, I mean, almost global.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  So that makes it even more unpredictable. I know that Al Qaeda, I mean, on the election day, when it was announced President Trump won the election, yeah, Al Qaeda was not so happy.

• 46:34Shawn Ryan?

  Why would they target a individual like Elon Musk? Is that for the press? Or do they have something personally against him?

• 46:44Speaker 05

  In the video what they released in 2023, it was more about his kind of a symbol, you know, of economy, he's a symbol of power, infidel, you know, so that is nothing. I think they also, obviously, they can use it as recruitment, but he was mentioned in that video.

• 47:07Shawn Ryan?

  And the economics, why would they go after somebody with economics?

• 47:11Speaker 05

  Um, because it's power. You know, it's, that's why 9/11, the VTC, they were symbols, the towers.

• 47:20Shawn Ryan?

  Do they have a history of this? I mean, I don't, I don't, in my time in service, I don't remember seeing a gross amount of information saying that individuals would be targeted. It was always locations like coast, the station at Kabul, Kandahar, you know, the, the, the black base that was down there. I mean, would...

• 47:47Shawn Ryan?

  I've never, I don't, I can't say never, but I don't recall seeing individual targets. Is this a new thing?

• 47:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's kind of a new thing now. They can see that there are people, you know, if they are taken out, it can be used as their own interest, you know, their own benefits. It's kind of a new thing, and I think it makes them also vulnerable. So, it's, yeah, I'm working on this part because it's interesting how they see. Obviously, they want to avenge Soleimani's death, you know, who was killed during President Trump's administration. That was a big hit for them, and they want to avenge it. And, but, as you said, in the past, for example, they didn't want to kill Obama.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  At least, I mean, they were talking about it, and there was a letter found in Abbottabad when they said, okay, don't, don't touch, don't touch him.

• 48:47Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 48:49Speaker 05

  Um, because they saw that that would create a vacuum, and that's where they used that. And I'm really, I'm a political, but that's when they wrote that is Biden was by that time, you know, the vice president, and they said he's completely unprepared for the position. So, killing Obama wouldn't make that benefit for al Qaeda.

• 49:12Shawn Ryan?

  So, it was a longer play. They could, they could foresee that...

• 49:16Speaker 05

  They always play on a long term, and, and this is where we are losing.

• 49:25Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 49:28Shawn Ryan?

  Why is, why does this all stem in Afghanistan? Why, why is this not stemming more in Yemen or Iran? Why, why is Afghanistan such a, a key country for, for festering terrorism?

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Al Qaeda, I mean, they have these amazing strategists, okay? So even today. And they had these analyses where open jihad, you know, the open front jihad can be carried out. Al Qaeda made a list of their own limitations as well. So it's really like a military. What the capacity you have and what you can achieve. So it's really, it's brilliant. And one of them was Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and North Africa. But they identified as can be suitable for open front jihad.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  It's why, because the government is weak, social services are weak, the ideology is not far, you know, the local population's ideology is not so far from Al Qaeda's. And this is where they can grow the seeds. And, and, and they have. I mean, Yemen is, is always been for them kind of soft targeting. Obviously, it has a government which is kind of supported by the West. Afghanistan is, that's where everything has started.

• 51:09Shawn Ryan?

  So they're, how are they communicating? How are they, how are the, it sounds like all of, all the leadership, excuse me, all of the leadership is within the Afghanistan borders, correct?

• 51:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:21Shawn Ryan?

  And so now that it's a safe asylum for terrorism, how are they communicating with their, their leadership throughout Europe and, and the United States?

• 51:32Speaker 05

  Um, inside Afghanistan, the senior members, they are communicating with each other by couriers. So interestingly, they don't-

• 51:42Shawn Ryan?

  By couriers?

• 51:43Speaker 05

  Couriers, yeah. They don't trust-

• 51:45Shawn Ryan?

  So they're not, they don't have a digital footprint?

• 51:48Speaker 05

  No, they don't.

• 51:49Shawn Ryan?

  This is all- Couriers.

• 51:51Speaker 05

  Yes, yes. So they still don't trust, you know, much with Europe. It's, um, they, they, they are, they are using technology. So what I know is they are communicating encrypted messages. So they use the digital communication.

• 52:12Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of message, like signal, proton?

• 52:15Speaker 05

  Um, kind of, and emails also, you know, you can create, um, you know, this temporary email addresses, you know, sending then after one hour, you know, it's deleted. So they use that. But yeah, within Afghanistan, they don't. I mean, we, we've got a couple of phone numbers of them, uh, but they are not using much.

• 52:41Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. And so all of the, the thousand plus that have infiltrated the United States, the thousand plus that have infiltrated Europe, none of these, none of these entities are communicating with each other within the borders. It's all coming from Central Command, which would be stationed in Afghanistan.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, correct. I mean, I believe that, but as I'm saying, I mean.

• 53:06Shawn Ryan?

  So it's very, it's very compartmentalized, is what I'm saying. They don't know what each other's doing.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  That's the key. That's the key, not knowing each other, you know, one cell falls.

• 53:15Shawn Ryan?

  So the only way that it could get leaked is by two points. The, the single point within the United States and the single point within Afghanistan.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:26Shawn Ryan?

  They couldn't, they couldn't. So basically, for those that don't understand what I'm saying by compartmentalization is if, let's say that the FBI raids a sleeper cell within the United States, that sleeper cell will not have any information.

• 53:45Speaker 05

  No.

• 53:46Shawn Ryan?

  When it comes to what the other 999 sleeper cells within, within the US borders or within Europe's borders is doing. It's all, the, the only way to infiltrate it is at the head, which would be in Afghanistan.

• 54:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And even within one cell, they don't even know each other's real name.

• 54:10Speaker 05

  So it's really if you see that from the operation from point of view, it's genius. You know, one cell is not going to lead to another.

• 54:21Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  It's not. And you have all these Taliban and Haqqani Network supporters here in the United States. I mean, personally, I have some experiences with them. And also, they can pass messages.

• 54:37Shawn Ryan?

  What is your experience with them?

• 54:40Speaker 05

  Very negative. I mean, okay, I didn't expect they will be positive. That it's really all about trying to legitimize, you know, the Taliban government, whitewashing the Taliban, al-Qaeda as well, changing basic information, you know, it starts to argue about really facts, what you can even find open sources. They are very aggressive. And this really had a peak during the election time. They really had this campaign of Biden-Harris.

• 55:20Speaker 05

  I mean, they even created a hashtag for it. It was really interesting. And, and just, you know, false narrative. And you have a lot of lobbyists here in the United States. I mean, we are listing them. And they are powerful. I mean, there are people listening to them.

• 55:43Shawn Ryan?

  Who? Who are these lobbyists?

• 55:46Speaker 05

  One of them-

• 55:46Shawn Ryan?

  Organizations or the individuals?

• 55:49Speaker 05

  Both. I mean, individuals is like Zaman Khalilzad, you know, I don't know if you heard about him, he's one of them.

• 55:56Shawn Ryan?

  I haven't. Who is that?

• 55:58Speaker 05

  He was from, he was a member of the Doha negotiations. He's an American citizen. He's from Afghanistan. And he had this key role, you know, passing more power to the Taliban during the negotiations. He is one of the powerful lobbyists. And there are several former businessmen here. So, yeah, they are powerful and they are listening to them.

• 56:28Shawn Ryan?

  And what are these lobbyists doing?

• 56:31Speaker 05

  It's obviously, you know, this small chatter, you know, yeah, the Taliban doing this, the Taliban doing that, there is no al Qaeda. And to me, it's strange because when you read it in a UN report, it's obviously that person is lying, right? But they are just keep going with the narrative, keep repeating. I mean, since the, I see that since the US presidential election, how the propaganda machine of the Taliban has changed. For example, it's all the positive news, economic innovations, you know, new factories, life is wonderful in Afghanistan. Everything else is a lie. And we predicted that.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  I mean, we made several posts about it, what kind of changes are going to happen, all became true.

• 57:21Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:00:04Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Jane, we're back from the break here and, uh...

• 1:00:09Shawn Ryan?

  Man, this is already like...

• 1:00:14Shawn Ryan?

  Pretty alarming stuff, but I want to get into more about Al Qaeda. So what are some of the leadership changes that you're seeing within that organization right now?

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, they are continuously changing, but there are significant changes what we could observe. One of them is that they became more goal-oriented and less rule-oriented.

• 1:00:44Shawn Ryan?

  More goal-oriented and less rule-oriented. What does that mean?

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  They focus so much on operations.

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  To carry out the attacks, to do their own business. So if you see Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri, you know, they were also fighters, okay, mainly Osama bin Laden, not Zawahiri. But they were this kind of soft guys, you know, running around Afghanistan with the AK-47. Zawahiri, you know, always about these religious speeches. So he was more a preacher, excellent strategies, of course. But the new leadership is more mission focused and they are so fast. I mean, they returned, Abdullah bin Laden arrived 2021.

• 1:01:40Speaker 05

  Saif al-Addal, who is the chief of the external operations of al-Qaeda, returned in 2022.

• 1:01:49Speaker 05

  Hamza bin Laden returned in 2022 as well to Afghanistan. Saif al-Addal and Hamza al-Ghadi, they are the two major guys in al-Qaeda's leadership. They run mainly everything. And they are battle-hardened fighters. I mean, Saif al-Addal himself is coming from the special operation forces.

• 1:02:17Shawn Ryan?

  Are you the people that the US trained?

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  No, he was in the Egyptian special forces.

• 1:02:27Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  Okay, he was in Sudan, Yemen, Libya. He fought, you know, against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The guy is a genius and he is cold. And he is just marching to execute the mission. He is talking about, we know that from meetings, you know, what they had. Of course, he is devoted himself to Allah. You know, his life is the jihad, but it's a military guy.

• 1:03:05Speaker 05

  So then we talk about operation planning. It's a military guy.

• 1:03:11Shawn Ryan?

  Do they have different tiers within the organization? Do they have like, like how US military setup, they have tier one organizations, the Team Six, Delta, they have, they have conventional forces, the infantry, they have, is it broken up like that into tiered, tiered units?

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  Uh, not in al Qaeda.

• 1:03:33Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  Not, not in al Qaeda. It's what they, what they did is that they prepared and trained, you know, the fighters, uh, the attackers in, for Europe and for America to carry out the attacks. And, um, and very, very well planned operation. If you see, if you just see, you know, what we've been talking about. And what I can see from them is that they even told us, it just, let me quote you, Saif al Adel from 2023 November. This is what he wrote.

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  "We are facing this major shift in the global jihadist path and facing a radical change in rules of fighting on the occasion of the opportunity of the century that may occur only once or twice in a lifetime. We call on our Islamic peoples everywhere to fight this battle, which is the most important Islamic step."

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  So they even are telling us they are changing. And if you see the previous attacks, you could see how the Hamas attack was already more brutal, more, it was extremely organized.

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  I, I talked to former colleagues from the US Special Forces and I asked them, "What's your opinion?" And they said, "Wow, they were extremely organized and synchronized"

• 1:05:21Speaker 05

  what they did in Israel, the, the Hamas. And if you see, it was, it was several raids at the same time.

• 1:05:33Shawn Ryan?

  We're gonna start seeing that everywhere.

• 1:05:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  And, you know, when I talk to other analysts, this is what I can see. It's kind of, I don't know, it's a tendency now that, no, that doesn't fit Al Qaeda's profile. You know, oh, that doesn't fit Saif al-Adl. It doesn't fit it, you know, these old dogmas. And if you see, Al Qaeda is a, okay, it's a terrorist organization, but it's part of nature. So it learns, adopts, and evolves. So why are we just denying that? It's just acting as part of nature.

• 1:06:20Shawn Ryan?

  Have they ever been more effective than they are now?

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  Well, I was really surprised, the changes and the achievement, what they have reached during the last two years. And they are stronger than prior 9/11. They have more money, they are more organized, they are more trained. I mean, just to see the training what the fighters have received, and they are still receiving, okay? So they haven't stopped training fighters. That's scary. I mean, just look at their equipment.

• 1:07:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's all our equipment.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Shawn Ryan?

  It's all US equipment.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  Mainly, yeah.

• 1:07:07Shawn Ryan?

  Always going somewhere. I'm trying to regain my train of thought. The info that you're putting out is just...

• 1:07:16Shawn Ryan?

  Is... It's hard to keep a thought. It's hard to keep a thought.

• 1:07:24Shawn Ryan?

  Can you explain

• 1:07:27Shawn Ryan?

  what the Islamic Army is and who all is involved?

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was 2023 November when it was right after the Hamas attack when I started to track movements of fighters. So the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the Iranians, they moved fighters to Syria, Iraq. And it was extremely organized. I mean, they used airlines. So it's not even just cars, airlines. And then I started to see-

• 1:08:06Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean they used airlines? That's on the outline.

• 1:08:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:11Shawn Ryan?

  Without the airlines.

• 1:08:12Speaker 05

  Right after the Hamas attack, the Taliban sent fighters to Iran, to IRGC, Iranian Revolutionary Guard bases. They took a plane there, they took planes there, and Iran flew them to Damascus.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  It was before the 19th of November, no, 19th of October, because we just put the information to the system. Listen, guys,

• 1:08:44Speaker 05

  massive fighters flow are going to Damascus, and they are going by airplanes. And that's when Israel bombed the runway of Damascus, you know, just to prevent the planes landing. And then they turned to ground transportation mainly. It was, you know, a little bit slower because it's not easy to move a lot of people. But before that, that's what they did.

• 1:09:09Shawn Ryan?

  Something that's on, speaking of the airlines, and I'm switching gears here a little bit.

• 1:09:16Shawn Ryan?

  Couple things. I want to talk about the invisible bomb that Sarah Adams has been discussing. We've talked about it several times. In fact, there's a really good discussion on it on our X Spaces. I think that's what they call it. But I want to talk about the invisible bomb. I also want to talk about, let's start here. Scott Mann, uh, obviously has a lot of, uh, sources and is really tied in with the stuff as well. Um, uh, I know, I don't want to mention any names who he's involved with. I don't know if I should or not. I think it's okay, but, but I'll keep that quiet. But he's really tied in with some of the people that were in NDS.

• 1:09:59Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, as I mentioned before, NDS is the, the, was the Afghanistan's version of CIA, MI6. It's an intelligence organization. And he got reports that

• 1:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  they are, um, Al Qaeda, these terrorist organizations. The Islamic Army is predicting 50 to 60,000 casualties within the United States alone.

• 1:10:30Shawn Ryan?

  We talk about 9/11 was a $500,000 budget. Now we're sending 40 to 87 million dollars.

• 1:10:42Shawn Ryan?

  You know.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:44Shawn Ryan?

  What, is there any, if you, through your, through your network, have you heard anything about 50 to 60,000 casualties?

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  I mean, if you, if you see that, it's going, I mean, they are talking about mass casualties.

• 1:10:57Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:58Speaker 05

  Okay, that was mentioned several times. And, uh, it's, it's really not about to show off, okay? I mean, if you, if you see the 9/11 attack, it was all about, you know, destroying symbols and I'm, I'm really not about numbers. I mean, 3,000 people died. Now it's all about mass slaughter.

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  And, and because that's going to paralyze the entire nation. And, and it's, it's not just about the casualties, just imagine that services will be shut down. And if we-

• 1:11:33Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of services?

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  I mean-

• 1:11:35Shawn Ryan?

  Outfit, those type of services, water?

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  I mean, just-

• 1:11:39Shawn Ryan?

  Police departments?

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, emergency, I mean, hospitals will be overwhelmed, you know, taking care of casualties still. I'm not even talking about economic impacts. I mean, if it's happening just at the same time in several big American cities. You know, airlines, they will be stopped for sure. You know, standard operation procedure. So the economic impact of this and the chaos what it's bringing within. And who you are going to trust after. It's just so, it is so wild, the impact. And they are aware of it, that's why they planned it.

• 1:12:25Speaker 05

  And that's why the Hamas attack was an amazing rehearsal. Because they could see that, you know, step by step, line by line. What are the outcomes of an attack like this?

• 1:12:41Shawn Ryan?

  Let's dive in a little more specifically. Let's talk about the economic impact. Would, how would that affect the economy?

• 1:12:50Speaker 05

  Well, if you see the nine eleven, I mean, the stock market was shut down. I think also for a week, I'm not sure about the time, but that can be predicted. Just to see how the goods are flowing, you know, just really, I'm talking about the local level. I think it's more, it's easier to explain. Just filling up, you know, the goods of the supermarkets. You know, we talk about one week, two weeks. Will it happen? You don't know. Could you catch all of the shooters? Because we don't even know the number of the people in the SARS. So it's this massive manhunt.

• 1:13:34Speaker 05

  Banks, you know, obviously they will be closed. So the economic impact of this is also, I wouldn't minimize it. So it has impact on every part of our lives.

• 1:13:54Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I didn't even think about that. I did not even think about that. So the hospitals will be overplod. The first responders being the police. That will be completely taxed. There won't be enough of them to go around. We already talked about proper allocation of resources, which would be extremely hard to do.

• 1:14:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, just imagine that there is a woman and it's time to delivery. And the hospital is just dealing, I don't know, 100 casualties there, you know, so it's...

• 1:14:37Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about the invisible bomb. Are you familiar with this?

• 1:14:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, so it was, I don't think too many people paid attention. It was a video released in 2023. I was lucky because I saw the video. So I think it took for the authorities 30 minutes to remove from the internet. But there was one website where you could watch the video, I think, for a couple of days. And yeah, the airlines are still in the plan, you know, to attack. And the invisible bomb, the interesting, it's a homemade explosives. So they guide you step by step how to make your own bomb home.

• 1:15:26Speaker 05

  And the most interesting part was they made, because it's even, they even talk about it in the video, that they need this research where you can buy what. For example, what ingredients you cannot buy in the United States. Or it's tricky to buy because maybe the law enforcement, you know, is keeping an eye on the sales. So it's really detailed how to make it, step by step. Of course, you need patience and it's not so easy as it sounds, but you can make it. And it's a powerful bomb.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  The trick what they made about it is that when you prepare the bomb, you need to remove the smell, you know, of the explosive, and then after you cover it with silicone.

• 1:16:22Speaker 05

  And that's why, and it doesn't have metal parts. So it's chemically induced explosion. So metal detectors are useless.

• 1:16:34Shawn Ryan?

  Dogs?

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  Dogs, no, because the silicone itself is just sealing the smell.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  So the only way is that, and even they show it in the, in the video, the only way to detect this bomb is that the body scanner, the only way.

• 1:16:53Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so they go through metal detectors.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Shawn Ryan?

  It, it, a dog can't sniff it. It could, so this could easily get on to airlines, pretty much anywhere that doesn't have the body scan machine, which most, I don't know how many airports have that now, but I, I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority.

• 1:17:12Speaker 05

  They even tell in the video that not too many airports have it. I mean, seriously, so detailed. I mean, they did the rec key at the airports and, and they are, they are telling it that,

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  it's, yeah, they checked the airports, not so many. They are talking about big airports like, I don't know, I think in, in New York, JFK, they have it, they use it. But smaller airports, they don't.

• 1:17:45Shawn Ryan?

  Even some, even some large airports don't?

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, they don't. And, and it even in the video, so the video, it's about to make an homemade explosive, like half a kilo, which is powerful, they even demonstrate it, so you can see it. And just two, less than 200 grams, oh, sorry, it's a European language, grams, it's enough to make an explosion in an airplane, which is going to be catastrophic.

• 1:18:17Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, even, even airplanes, I mean, that would be devastating, but you know, we're, we're just talking airports. What about, what about major arenas, stadiums, concerts, football games, baseball games, hockey games, speaking events, hospitals, schools?

• 1:18:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, the list goes on. Nobody has this type of technology, except, except the major hub airports within the United States, which. Even some major hubs haven't even implemented this type of technology with the body scan yet.

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there are some airports, you know, when they do body search, but of course they don't touch, for example, your intimate parts.

• 1:18:58Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 1:18:59Speaker 05

  You can hide it there.

• 1:19:01Shawn Ryan?

  How big is this?

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  I mean, it, it, it showed like it's, it's approximately, I don't know, like 20 centimeters, and it can contain half a kilo, which is really powerful, and uh...

• 1:19:14Shawn Ryan?

  Is it about, I mean, how thin is it?

• 1:19:16Speaker 05

  I mean, it, it was, it's, it's like, they even make the bomb, it's like a, a mineral water bottle, you know, and actually they use a mineral water bottle to make it.

• 1:19:26Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  Okay, so it's like a half a liter bottle, you can make it.

• 1:19:31Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of devastation are we talking about?

• 1:19:34Speaker 05

  It was, um, it was shown on bricks, you know, they put together, and yeah, it's powerful.

• 1:19:40Shawn Ryan?

  Could it, I mean, could it, would it...

• 1:19:46Shawn Ryan?

  Could it take a building out?

• 1:19:48Speaker 05

  No, that, that's not, but, uh, for example, if you just go there next to gas lines, you know, so the, the bomb itself, if you use one, yeah, probably it's going to kill people around you. But it's not, uh, we are not talking about huge vicinity of that, but if you have couple of ones and couple of people, yeah.

• 1:20:13Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be like a VBID?

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  No, no, no, because it's big, you know, so you cannot, you can't hide it.

• 1:20:24Shawn Ryan?

  It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be as devastating as the typical suicide bomber that wears a vest?

• 1:20:31Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:20:32Shawn Ryan?

  Be a somewhat of a, I don't wanna say minimal explosion, but compared to what we've seen, um, overseas with, with a vest full of explosives or a car full of explosives, it wouldn't, it wouldn't...

• 1:20:45Speaker 05

  They find a solution for that, so what they did is that, um, I don't know if you remember, in Afghanistan, they put even screws, you know, in the vest, you know?

• 1:20:57Shawn Ryan?

  Fragmentation.

• 1:20:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly, so what they did now is that shredded, uh, they shred, um, plastic. It's like, you know, with a knife, you cut this hard plastic, and it's sharp.

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• 1:24:49Speaker 05

  And it's causing so similar injuries because they tested it.

• 1:24:53Shawn Ryan?

  So even the fragmentation is not detectable?

• 1:24:57Speaker 05

  No, it's not metal.

• 1:24:59Shawn Ryan?

  Could it be used to initiate something larger? You know, a lot of explosives, you need an initiation to detonate the actual, the bigger explosive. Could this be used to, could they daisy chain it? You know what I mean by daisy chain? Could it be connected to others?

• 1:25:17Speaker 05

  Exactly, they can do that. So they are so smart, you know? They see the equipment, what you have, and they patiently take their time. How can I encounter it? How, where is that gap what I can use?

• 1:25:36Shawn Ryan?

  Is anyone listening to this stuff?

• 1:25:39Speaker 05

  I think to listen, Sean, first, so when we are listening to people, first we need to acknowledge that we don't know everything, right? Also, we have to have openness, you know, curiosity. Okay, what do you have to tell? Isn't it right? But most of the times when I talk about these things, I mean, very often I meet people that, "Ah, no, okay, the no, they are gone, they are stupid." You know, this is just guys running around with AK-47 and just... We really need to see how they are right now and where they are.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  And you have to be humble to do that, to acknowledge that I don't know everything.

• 1:26:28Speaker 05

  So, I, during these three and a half years, I made these amazing connections with analysts from, for example, from Switzerland, Australia, but even Pakistan, you know? Everyone is saying, "Oh, because of the narratives." I listen to everyone because I don't know when I can learn or getting a new information.

• 1:26:53Speaker 05

  And I don't see that we are having that from our leaders, that, "Okay, sit down, tell me, what do you know?" It's this... I'm sorry, I was actually looking for it, the proper English word is this arrogance. You know, and I can see that on analysts too. In the last, I mean, just my last year talking to them, "No, no, it's not."

• 1:27:22Speaker 05

  "How do you know that?"

• 1:27:25Speaker 05

  Or "Show me evidences." Well, I'm not going to post on Twitter, sorry, X. I'm not going to post it. So it just theoretically, you know, "Let's sit down, talk." "No, no, no, it's not like that." Actually, I found what can be behind, you know, is that what Sarah, I or my partner, we are going through is this going against the narrative.

• 1:27:51Shawn Ryan?

  The what?

• 1:27:52Speaker 05

  Going against the narrative, you know?

• 1:27:53Shawn Ryan?

  Going against the narrative?

• 1:27:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. That "Al Qaeda is gone." No, it's not gone. And just sit down one hour and I can prove it to you.

• 1:28:05Shawn Ryan?

  How do you prove it to them?

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  Obviously, the sources would prove a lot. This is where I struggle personally, because I even thought that if, if the new administration is going to sit down and talk, I really need guarantee from them that they are going to protect the sources.

• 1:28:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yes, I've read, I've read in your outline that 22 of your assets have been murdered.

• 1:28:42Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:28:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's from my side and my partner, who can't be here because of his line of duty. He couldn't come. And 22 gave his life, and everything points to there. They were burned by three letter agencies.

• 1:29:03Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 1:29:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:05Shawn Ryan?

  They were burned by American three-letter agencies?

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:29:12Speaker 05

  I mean, they were the only ones. I mean, you know, when you provide information to a government, you, obviously, you have to name your source, the position. They have to see that if the source is credible. And somehow, I mean, 22, that's a little bit high number to be a coincidence.

• 1:29:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I'd say. Do you know how the agencies are burning the assets?

• 1:29:39Speaker 05

  I mean, they are cooperating, you know, with the Taliban. And, but I would correct it. This is not a correct sentence. They are cooperating with jihadists, okay? It's not just the Taliban. They're not talking about just the Taliban. They are cooperating with jihadists in Syria. We are, I don't know, consciously or subconsciously, we are cooperating also with jihadist, al-Qaeda Muslim Brotherhood in Libya. So, but just back to the Taliban, yeah, we are receiving intelligence from them. They are our partner, and I wouldn't even call them partner. Sean, they are our proxies.

• 1:30:19Shawn Ryan?

  Cheers. Cheers.

• 1:30:25Shawn Ryan?

  Man, it's just gotten so bad. It's gotten so bad. So we talked about simultaneous attacks. Do you think that... Is there any intelligence that's saying that that all of these different sleeper cells will attack at the same time? Or will be a couple here, a couple there, and just sprinkled throughout years? Or will it be all at once?

• 1:30:51Speaker 05

  Hmm. It's difficult to tell, you know, because the plan itself, it's flexible. So they always can change.

• 1:31:00Shawn Ryan?

  So they'll do it on the fly?

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like you initiate one cell, two, and then you say that, okay, it's not working so much out. Okay, let's abort.

• 1:31:08Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  Okay? So that's why it's difficult to predict. And here it comes, our limitation because of human. You know, human obviously has its own limitations.

• 1:31:22Shawn Ryan?

  For the audience, human is human intelligence, meaning it's coming direct from humans?

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, and we have our limitations, but we are working on it as much as we can to get out and and just to pass it to someone who can do something.

• 1:31:46Shawn Ryan?

  I think one of the most alarming things that you mentioned is that there is no... There will be no SIGINT intelligence, it sounds like, because of the couriers. And so, you know, when I was in, when we were working over there, a lot of it was intercepting cell phones, some communication devices. We were able to intercept those text threads, those conversations, those emails. And now that they're using couriers, it's only down to human, it sounds like.

• 1:32:18Speaker 05

  And also, just as a plus, you know, China is helping the Taliban to protect this communication. So even if they are doing communication on the cellphone, it's protected by Chinese technicians.

• 1:32:34Shawn Ryan?

  So China is behind, is...

• 1:32:37Speaker 05

  It's kind of assisting, you know, it's a symbiotic relationship. You know, they have a long-term plan there, you know, in Afghanistan. I mean, all the mining contracts, you know, we are talking about years. So it's kind of, yeah, I'm having some income here, so I'm helping you. And just back to this cooperation, I didn't know the first time when I heard, I didn't know I should lie or cry. But when the Taliban meets the US officials, including the three-letter agencies, right after the meeting, the Taliban actually is briefing China what was discussed during the meeting with US officials.

• 1:33:25Shawn Ryan?

  How much of the Islamic Army's funding is coming from the minerals that we, well, I guess we didn't give up, that China took control of? I mean, I know there's been negotiations between China and Taliban over the lithium mines. Afghanistan's very rich in lithium, we obviously, we just left it to them when we withdrew from Afghanistan. How much income are the terrorist organizations receiving from China to build these lithium mines?

• 1:34:05Speaker 05

  The Al Qaeda doesn't receive it directly, so they get it via the Taliban, right? You know, as an income, so they have their own revenue. What I know that is is money coming from gold mines, gem mines, drug trafficking, you know, Al Qaeda has a revenue. I would say that until, I mean, what I could track, it was annually around five hundred million dollars.

• 1:34:35Shawn Ryan?

  Five hundred million dollars.

• 1:34:36Speaker 05

  Goes directly to Al Qaeda.

• 1:34:38Shawn Ryan?

  So, less than what the US is funding just in cash?

• 1:34:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I did, I don't get the point. I mean, how do you expect them to take your side when you pay less? And, and, and I think basically the approach is wrong. I had last, no, in two thousand twenty-three, I had a discussion with the Taliban. He is, I mean, on the ranking is like up. And he just told me that you people are so arrogant and you can't believe that the, if you pay, we are going to whatever you want. And, you know, so, so correct.

• 1:35:23Shawn Ryan?

  How does Russia fall into this? I mean,

• 1:35:28Shawn Ryan?

  we're obviously not friendly with Russia as the Russia-Ukraine conflict continues. However, we did see, was it ISIS-K that did the attack on the Russian mall?

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 1:35:40Shawn Ryan?

  And so, are the Russians, how do I say this?

• 1:35:46Shawn Ryan?

  Are the Russians?

• 1:35:50Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we know China, this, this, we know that China obviously benefits from what the terrorist organizations plan on doing to Europe and the West, being the US. Does Canada fall into this at all?

• 1:36:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Shawn Ryan?

  What about South America and Central America?

• 1:36:10Speaker 05

  Hmm, they are not much.

• 1:36:11Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:36:14Shawn Ryan?

  So what is Russia's stance on this? Are they taking precautions? I mean, they took a big hit. It was bigger than...

• 1:36:21Speaker 05

  Is it a big hit to have an attack in a mall? I mean, just because, you know, it's... The first thing which came up in my mind when I saw, you know, the social media after the attack, you know, in Russia, it was like this bandwagon. You know, "ISKIP went global. They are deadly. They are descended." Come on, man, look at the scale of the attack. It was like the guy, almost like in New Orleans, no? So if you see the casualties...

• 1:36:53Shawn Ryan?

  Well, there was multiple shooters there, wasn't there?

• 1:36:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:36:56Shawn Ryan?

  And the casualties rate was a lot of...

• 1:36:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was higher.

• 1:36:59Shawn Ryan?

  More.

• 1:36:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. Russia currently is helping the Taliban to rebuild the weapon system in Afghanistan. I mean, there are Russian soldiers, resident civilians, but they are soldiers. Technicians helping the Taliban to repair tanks, aircrafts, you know, which are coming from the Russian time.

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  It's beneficial for them because obviously they get paid for it, right?

• 1:37:33Shawn Ryan?

  So is the Wagner Group?

• 1:37:36Speaker 05

  Actually, I don't know their nature. I know they are there. I know they are in Kabul. There are a couple of ones also in the north. I don't know where actually they belong, but they are Russian.

• 1:37:50Shawn Ryan?

  So they've potentially made amends?

• 1:37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. And, you know, they are helping to fix tanks, airplanes, helicopters. So it's also another symbiotic relationship.

• 1:38:08Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they tortured those guys. They tortured those guys that, um, that shot those people at the mall.

• 1:38:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, but it's one attack. It's one attack and, and, and this is where it gets interesting. If I see, I mean, when you see ISKP or the Islamic State in Afghanistan, it's, it's interesting how it developed. So in 2023, somehow, actually, I couldn't track it how Gulmarov Kalimov, you know, he was the number two in the Islamic State, appeared in Afghanistan in a prison in Nimruss province.

• 1:38:58Speaker 05

  We couldn't, I mean, we couldn't track it how he ended up there, but he was there. And then he was transported in 2024, was transported to the north and started to set up training centers. Not, don't, don't think, I mean, big training bases. They were small centers dealing like, I don't know, 20, 30 people. And these fighters were coming from central Asian countries, coming through the border. I mean, by the help of the Taliban and the, and the GBI, you know, the Taliban intelligence. Gulmarov Kalimov's key role there is that

• 1:39:42Speaker 05

  training these foreign fighters, send it to central Asian countries or even to Russia, you know, just to destabilize Russia. Kalim, Gulmarov Kalimov has a very close connection with Serajuddin Hakani.

• 1:40:06Speaker 05

  So when we started to talk about, you know, also Sarah, you know, here talked about, you know, Vumrat Kalimov and the training centers. So they removed all this to the other side of the Afghan border. So this, you know, these tribal areas in Pakistan, because they started to talk about it. And obviously, on the north, Afghans, in the north of Afghanistan, they talk a lot, you know, because these people are, you know, they don't belong to there. And this was reported, Sean, there was a report about this. Wow.

• 1:40:45Speaker 05

  And, and 2023, the Taliban GDI director, Abdul Haq Wasik, I don't know if you heard about it, he's a former Gitmo detainee, actually. He went by private jet to Italy and participated in an intelligence conference. I don't know what was on the conference, honestly, you know, I always confess if I don't know something, so I don't make it up. But suddenly, they started to arrest Tajik nationals, you know, ISIS-related nationals in Europe.

• 1:41:27Speaker 05

  So I guess they put him on working, you know, he was kind of tipping off, you know, the European agencies. But I have one question to the European agencies. I know how many people are passing every month from Central Asian countries to Afghanistan? How many they are arresting in Europe? Do these two numbers are matching each other?

• 1:41:59Shawn Ryan?

  Where are they?

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  I don't think so. I mean, there are a couple of arrests. I mean, if Sirajuddin Hakan is smart, what they would do, I train more, I tip off, you know, a couple of useful idiots, so they can see me as a potential counterterrorism partner, and the rest, you know, just let them working.

• 1:42:20Shawn Ryan?

  So another diversion.

• 1:42:22Speaker 05

  Exactly. And I know it's almost every month between 60 and 80 foreign fighters are entering Afghanistan. So, and, and it was interesting because I was thinking, why, why they put this guy, you know, Wasik, to, to this conference? And last week I found the solution, actually, that he, even in the past, he offered his help to the American government, you know, to capture the Taliban intelligence chief. So I think they just returned to this information, you know, okay, this guy offered once, so

• 1:43:06Speaker 05

  now he will be useful. I can tell you, he is not useful, because I'm pretty sure he is not tipping off every single incoming fighters.

• 1:43:21Shawn Ryan?

  How are these guys convoluted with the cartels? You kind of mentioned that earlier, that they, they had close ties within Mexican cartels.

• 1:43:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's, it's all about money. You know, it's, it's business for everyone. I mean, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but mainly Al Qaeda had a relationship with them in the past, too. They used these organized crime groups to, for example, get nuclear material. So that's what they are using. Now I know that they are cooperating with Russian organized crime groups, and they are helping to get some stuff in, you know, crossing our borders, including the United States border.

• 1:44:14Shawn Ryan?

  How long have they been convoluted with cartels?

• 1:44:19Speaker 05

  I mean, it's what I, I mean, the problem here is that what I have access to and I, I have a capacity just to track specific things. So I, I, I, the time, I, I don't know. But I know there are materials. For example, the Albanian mafia is taking cash into Europe sent by Sirajuddin Hakani. And I mean, money bags.

• 1:44:51Speaker 05

  Is Albanian mafia there, for example? Here, I know that it's the, the cartel. It's, yeah, it's probably about weapon and other things.

• 1:45:03Speaker 05

  Why? Because they are here, you know, the local guys. They know the flow.

• 1:45:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, they're good at it.

• 1:45:08Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:09Shawn Ryan?

  They're good at it. What, what are, what would Al Qaeda? What is their long-term plan? What is their short-term plan? On top of that, is it the same long-term, short-term plan for not just Al Qaeda, but for ISIS, for Al-Shabaab, for Taliban? Is it, is it, is it all one plan?

• 1:45:35Speaker 05

  I can, I mean, kind of, sort of. What Al Qaeda is doing now and, and we have to ask to look into what they are doing on a, on, on one specific spot. Al Qaeda's short-term plan now is that, short and middle term, is that trying to support local jihadist groups to form a government, to take over a country.

• 1:46:03Shawn Ryan?

  To take over an entire country?

• 1:46:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. It's, it's like what the Taliban did.

• 1:46:08Shawn Ryan?

  They just did it in Afghanistan.

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  They did it in Afghanistan. Now they did it in Syria.

• 1:46:14Speaker 05

  So it's what but people don't understand about Syria that it's and it's a really trick what our governments and the media is doing that. I don't know if you follow the news, what happened in Syria. So the guy changed his suit. You know, he's in suit ties. He's using his name, real name, not the nom de guerre. And he's meeting our politicians. So he's changed. And that's what every analyst are saying now who have government contracts. He's changed because he's saying that.

• 1:46:58Speaker 05

  Well, I can tell you that those fighters were trained in Afghanistan. And Al-Julani is because I use his fighter name. I'm not using his his civilian name. He sent people to those meetings with al-Qaeda and he cooperated.

• 1:47:18Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have any idea what country they plan on conquering, taking over?

• 1:47:25Speaker 05

  It's not just physical. Okay, imagine that it's interesting to see, for example, Libya. The Libyan government is packed by al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. And we are dealing with them soon, Sean. We are going to buy oil from them.

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• 1:48:17Shawn Ryan?

  What about Yemen?

• 1:48:19Speaker 05

  Yemen, yeah, the Houthis. I mean, in 2022, I already told that, and there were other reports, okay? So I'm not painting myself as a genius, it's just I'm also reading a lot. So all these, you know, institutions, reports, for example, there is amazing institution called Sana Center. They are reporting about Yemen. Also, they mentioned that it seems like Al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula, you know, Al Cap, one of the affiliate of Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda Berenj in Yemen, is showing some interest to cooperate with the Houthis.

• 1:49:04Speaker 05

  And everyone, "No, no, Houthis are Shia, Al Cap is Sunni, they hate each other." Again, old dogma. Well, they are working together. And it was publicly released last year.

• 1:49:22Speaker 05

  So we need to overcome this barrier, these old dogmas, to see that, like, you know, like you see, it's a new organization, let's discover it.

• 1:49:35Speaker 05

  Somalia, Somalia is struggling, you know, that Al Shabab can't win, you know, they, they are just, I mean, they are fighting with the government.

• 1:49:48Speaker 05

  Obviously, it came up, "Oh, we should negotiate with Al Shabab." Because all these terrorist organizations, or these jihadist groups, what they do, they realize that Taliban communicated highlighting local interest. And we buy it. So when we negotiate with Al Shabab in Somalia, "Oh, Al Shabab is busy just with local agendas."

• 1:50:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, but that's not true.

• 1:50:22Shawn Ryan?

  How much influence do they have within more well-to-do countries throughout the Middle East and East Africa? Do they have influence in Saudi Arabia? Do they have influence in Oman? Do they have influence in United Arab Emirates? Countries that are wealthy countries?

• 1:50:48Speaker 05

  Well, they use the Muslim Brotherhood, you know, which kind of, I mean, al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, you know, they are rooted to the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Muslim Brotherhood loves to portray itself as a non-violent group. However, they are the political wing of this Islamic army.

• 1:51:18Speaker 05

  Why I am saying it? It's because the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Arab countries. For example, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, they are banned. And what the Muslim Brotherhood has tried to do again during the hostage attack is fueling internal tensions. You know, telling to these Muslim leaders are infidels, they are serving just the West, they are not protecting other Muslims, they are supporting Israel, you know, on the war on Gaza.

• 1:51:59Speaker 05

  What these countries do is that they break it down very hard. I mean, if they hear a speech from a radical Imam in a mosque, the guy will be arrested on the next day. You know, they just don't give any gap for these radicals to plant a seed.

• 1:52:26Shawn Ryan?

  So they don't have much control in those countries, is what you're saying?

• 1:52:30Speaker 05

  I mean, they have some. I think the weak link, what we could witness during the Hamas attack, I mean, after the Hamas attack, what I saw, the weak link was Jordan. Jordan is a country, you know, depends on also aid. And they had a very strong Muslim Brotherhood inside work. I mean, they were preachers, you know, in the mosque, asking the people to break in to Israel, kill Americans. They struggled, but somehow they were able to control it. But I know that during the, I mean, from the meetings,

• 1:53:13Speaker 05

  during the, I mean, right after the Hamas attack, Al Qaeda central had weekly meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan to discuss how to cause more issues within the society, fueling, you know, tensions, asking the people for protest to weaken King Abdullah. Weekly, weekly. I mean, they had these amazing, I mean, amazing meetings every week, coordinating with military commanders in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt.

• 1:53:57Speaker 05

  They, they did it every single week.

• 1:54:00Shawn Ryan?

  What about, what about Western Asia? Or actually, any Asian countries? Do they have influence there? Just, I'm trying to get a overall picture of how much influence they have throughout the world. So, South America, Central America, we know they're on with the cartels. Let's go to Asia.

• 1:54:24Speaker 05

  It's global, it's global. It's just directly what I can see. And, you know, this is why I often call Afghanistan as the fountainhead of global jihad. Because it's not just the Taliban, it's Al Qaeda together. So, what I could see that they are providing physical support. I'm talking about weapon ammunition, financial support, money to 19 countries.

• 1:54:57Shawn Ryan?

  Can you name them?

• 1:54:58Speaker 05

  Yes, so we have here Afghanistan, so the east is going to Pakistan, Jammu and Kashmir. We have Bangladesh, Myanmar, Indonesia and Malaysia. We have the whole Middle East. Then we have Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Morocco, Jordan and the Sahel itself, you know Burkina Faso Mali. That's what they do. And they have facilitators in every embassies.

• 1:55:30Shawn Ryan?

  And this is the long-term plan?

• 1:55:33Speaker 05

  The long-term plan is to establish the caliphate.

• 1:55:38Shawn Ryan?

  So the taking over countries is a short-term plan?

• 1:55:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's taking more and more, you know, it's kind of, it's physical. Imagine this plan, it has two ways. You have one physical, you know, just trying to put more and more countries where these Islamists are ruling. That's what you can see, for example, in the Sahel. And then you establish governments which are backed by these terrorist groups. And the long-term, the long-term plan is to have this Islamic caliphate ruled by Sharia law. The short-term plan is getting more and more countries.

• 1:56:20Speaker 05

  So expanding, you know, expanding your influence, expanding your power, expanding your networks. This is what they are doing now. So when people are telling me that Al Qaeda is recovering in Afghanistan, they are reorganizing stuff, it's wrong. Al Qaeda is full operational. Actually, they jumped another level, where now we are talking about massive innovations, what they are doing. They have so many scientists, Sean.

• 1:56:50Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move into the caliphate.

• 1:56:55Shawn Ryan?

  Can you explain what that is?

• 1:56:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a basically Sharia ruled system, but we are exactly what we are seeing in Afghanistan. And it's just not having any Western influence on it. So it's it's actually the long term goal is quite simple. Where they do all these tricks is this short and middle term. Like making the people believe that if someone is changing the clothes and start to use the real name, that guy is our friend. And this is when we are not paying attention.

• 1:57:35Shawn Ryan?

  Break it down a little bit more basic with the caliphate.

• 1:57:38Speaker 05

  Uh huh, okay.

• 1:57:39Shawn Ryan?

  What is it?

• 1:57:41Speaker 05

  Uh, caliphate is that this it's a system. I would say it's a government system which is running a country. And you don't you have, I don't know, I mean, should I explain this Sharia law? You know, it's um.

• 1:57:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:57:59Speaker 05

  Okay, basically, it's defined by the religion itself. It has its own judicial system, its own educational system. For example, they don't have so many subjects to teach which is related to science. So it's basically it's all this about the the religion. Honestly, the caliphate is not my strength. That's more about other members of the team. But yeah, that's the that's the that's the plan. I I think that's.

• 1:58:32Shawn Ryan?

  So it's basically a global a global type government that falls under Sharia law?

• 1:58:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:58:38Shawn Ryan?

  That's what they want. That's the long term plan.

• 1:58:41Speaker 05

  That's a long term plan. And and I think this is the key where their strength is that we we don't plan on a long term. Our leaders are planning for four years.

• 1:58:54Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:58:54Speaker 05

  They have this plan and you know it, you cannot even put a timeline onto it. Because if it adds Jesse Perilla wrote, you know, he just released a book and I love the title. If it takes a thousand years, year, doesn't matter. Keep going.

• 1:59:13Shawn Ryan?

  Like China.

• 1:59:14Speaker 05

  Like China, exactly. So they are learning.

• 1:59:20Shawn Ryan?

  In their in their eyes, what?

• 1:59:25Shawn Ryan?

  What constitutes a takeover of a country?

• 1:59:32Shawn Ryan?

  Where do they find, what is successful in their minds when it comes to taking over an entire country?

• 1:59:39Speaker 05

  When you start to talk to them and negotiate with them. That's already a good point. It's already a good point. I mean, just to see that we know that a couple of people in the Central Libyan Bank, they are al-Qaeda members. And they are controlling, I mean, millions of dollars. We are negotiating with them. I mean, we are having trade with them.

• 2:00:09Shawn Ryan?

  It's not necessarily planting a flag?

• 2:00:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, it's not. It's influence.

• 2:00:15Shawn Ryan?

  It's how much influence they have over the government.

• 2:00:16Speaker 05

  And they have a massive influence in Europe. It's crazy to see that. How, I mean, it has a history, like after 2001, you know, the 9/11 attacks. Obviously, societies developed, you know, this anti-Muslim attitude. So, for example, in Europe, we used NGOs, you know, to kind of calm down, you know, this kind of attitude because, obviously, it's not about religion. I mean, we can't say that every Muslim, you know, they are terrorists. It's not true. We know that it's nothing to do, actually, with the religion itself.

• 2:01:01Speaker 05

  And these NGOs just got so powerful, especially in Europe, that they are influencing governments, for example, in Switzerland.

• 2:01:15Shawn Ryan?

  Switzerland?

• 2:01:16Speaker 05

  Switzerland seems so neutral, actually is a center of terrorism in Europe.

• 2:01:24Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 2:01:28Speaker 05

  We, I, I work with, um, I mean, I work with several analysts and I have several partners. You know, uh, obviously, you know, I cannot reach out to every countries, but we have Swiss partners. And they are telling us that what's going on in Switzerland. Terrorist recruitment, financing terrorism, and actually there are terrorists who proved to belong to Al Qaeda and they are Swiss nationals. And the, and the government is not deporting. There was, I think, recently, two or three months ago, that they could suspect the guy belonged to Al Qaeda

• 2:02:13Speaker 05

  and they couldn't deport him because of the law.

• 2:02:17Shawn Ryan?

  Because of the what?

• 2:02:18Speaker 05

  Law, because of the law, you know? He has a second citizenship or got the refugee status and you can't deport.

• 2:02:31Shawn Ryan?

  But you brought up scientists and innovation, uh, just a few minutes ago. What kind of, what kind of innovations are they doing right now, other than this invisible bomb?

• 2:02:40Speaker 05

  Uh huh. So I think that, that's kind of shows that, you know, the operational part is running, right? Because you, it's just running by itself, it's set up, it's working. So what they did is that they have scientists there. What we know, they have microbiologists who are working in biological labs, developing weapon of mass destruction. They are working on it. Even the UN reported that they have weapons engineers.

• 2:03:12Shawn Ryan?

  Weapon what?

• 2:03:13Speaker 05

  Weapon engineers.

• 2:03:14Shawn Ryan?

  Weapon engineers?

• 2:03:15Speaker 05

  Yes. To build new weapon. For example, we know that they are working on drones.

• 2:03:24Shawn Ryan?

  So we're potentially facing biological warfare as well?

• 2:03:31Speaker 05

  It's on the platter, yes.

• 2:03:33Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of biological weapons?

• 2:03:36Speaker 05

  We exactly don't know, not yet.

• 2:03:39Shawn Ryan?

  Viruses?

• 2:03:41Speaker 05

  They are working on modifying agents to make it more lethal. And there is an alchoid, a microbiologist, and he was detained. His name is Yazid Soufat. He is a Malaysian, actually is a former military. He studied in the United States. And he was detained until 2019. Then his close monitoring ended in 2021. 2022, he was already working in Afghanistan, in a lab.

• 2:04:22Shawn Ryan?

  Were they testing these?

• 2:04:24Speaker 05

  They already tested.

• 2:04:25Shawn Ryan?

  Where?

• 2:04:26Speaker 05

  In Afghanistan.

• 2:04:28Shawn Ryan?

  What was the outcome?

• 2:04:30Speaker 05

  It's working.

• 2:04:32Shawn Ryan?

  It's working. What else are they innovating?

• 2:04:36Speaker 05

  These are the two what we actually know until now.

• 2:04:41Shawn Ryan?

  Drones and biological warfare. The invisible bomb, which is already...

• 2:04:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's already done, you know, and the invisible vests. So they are just doing their job. And I think the crazy part is that they do all this without intelligence interference. For intelligence interference.

• 2:05:06Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk a little bit about the role of Turkey.

• 2:05:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. So Turkey is, I mean, it's been on the news, obviously, because of Syria. And...

• 2:05:22Speaker 05

  Turkey always hosted and sheltered the Muslim Brotherhood. And since, you know, they are kind of neighbors, they had very good relationship with jihadist groups in Syria. I am not so sure Turkey's goal yet. I'm trying to see if they are helping to spread the sentiment of Islam jihad, or they are just exploiting these terrorist groups. And it's kind of expanding, you know, their interests, you know, their power. I still need to see this because, yeah,

• 2:06:06Speaker 05

  but my capacity is really, really limited on this field. And let's see what's going to, but I need to see before I claim something. I suspect that it's a symbiotic relationship that we are working together. I mean, if you see Turkey is in Somalia. Now they have got huge influence on Syria, so.

• 2:06:32Shawn Ryan?

  Qatar?

• 2:06:34Speaker 05

  Qatar. Qatar is a difficult case because several things happened. I just saw after the Hamas attack that there was an Islamic scholar group which visited Afghanistan. It was in 2023 February. And they met Sirajuddin Hakani. And they gave him a gift which was a replica of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. And you know how they called the Hamas attack? Al-Aqsa Flood. So that was interesting. I don't know what happened on the meeting, but I found it interesting.

• 2:07:18Speaker 05

  And this Islamic scholar group is funded by Qatar. Plus, we have information that until now, like, I don't want to say exact number, but more than 10 times plans landed in Kabul delivering M4 rifles to the Taliban, which is a violation of the embargo.

• 2:07:49Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, this guy's network is a lot bigger than I thought.

• 2:07:55Speaker 05

  And plus, we had this, I don't know if you heard about it, we had this Qatar Gate, that how Qatar is kind of buying influence in Europe. So there were several European politicians, you know, they got caught because they received money from Qatar. So they are massively influencing decision-makers and policymakers in Europe. And there were a couple of European politicians spoke up, you know, saying that, "Come on, people, we need to stop Qatar. We are doing what Qatar is saying."

• 2:08:34Speaker 05

  And then they got labeled, "Oh, you are far-right, you are Islamophobic, you hate refugees." So they were completely discarded. But in Europe, we have a massive influence of Qatar, and we are not doing anything. It's just going by the flow.

• 2:08:57Shawn Ryan?

  GDI.

• 2:09:00Shawn Ryan?

  Can you explain what GDI is?

• 2:09:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, so it's a Taliban secret service, obviously the intelligence service of the Taliban.

• 2:09:09Shawn Ryan?

  So the GDI is the Taliban's version of CIA, like I said?

• 2:09:12Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 2:09:13Shawn Ryan?

  It's an intelligence organization of the Taliban?

• 2:09:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's run by Abdul Haq Wasik, you know, the former Gitmo detainee guy, which is, I think he's kind of playing his role in the system. The most interesting person in the GDI is Tajmir Javad. He is a deputy. And he has a very important role in al-Qaeda. He is representing the Haqqani network in al-Qaeda. When it comes about decisions or something coming from the Haqqani network, it's him who is representing Sira Shuddin Haqqani.

• 2:09:56Speaker 05

  It was couple of months ago when Al Qaeda wanted to send suicide bombers to the West Bank. And it was Tajmir Javad who used his veto and said, "No, I don't think. I think we should wait." So he has a very good position. Otherwise, what the GDI is doing is providing protection and on disturbed condition to every training centers, training bases. They are responsible for the security of Al Qaeda members. They're traveling around Afghanistan. So that's their main job.

• 2:10:39Speaker 05

  And yeah, it's trying to find the people who are talking and...

• 2:10:45Shawn Ryan?

  So is GDI the intelligence service for not just Taliban but Al Qaeda, ISIS?

• 2:10:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:10:52Shawn Ryan?

  So it's basically the Islamic Brotherhood's intelligence service?

• 2:10:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:58Shawn Ryan?

  It covers... It top covers all of these terrorist organizations?

• 2:11:04Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, they do. They do.

• 2:11:07Shawn Ryan?

  Where is their headquarters?

• 2:11:10Speaker 05

  It's in Kabul. They are operating from there. They have several departments. And yeah, they are like one.

• 2:11:20Shawn Ryan?

  What are the departments? How is the GDI broken up?

• 2:11:23Speaker 05

  I mean, they have one department specifically which is taking care of the security of the Al Qaeda members. And there are one department, for example, they have SIGINT department.

• 2:11:37Shawn Ryan?

  They have a SIGINT department?

• 2:11:38Speaker 05

  They have SIGINT department, which was actually very active around safe houses where Al Qaeda members are. They constantly checking if there is any foreign SIGINT activity. So this is how they take so seriously the protection of Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan.

• 2:12:05Shawn Ryan?

  How long has the GDI been around?

• 2:12:08Speaker 05

  I mean, it's like, yeah, it was established right after Kabul fell, you know, and that's their main job.

• 2:12:16Shawn Ryan?

  So about, what, four years?

• 2:12:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:19Shawn Ryan?

  Do they have operators in the field throughout the world?

• 2:12:24Speaker 05

  I don't know that part. I don't know that part, honestly. Haqqani Network, yeah, sure, yeah, it's a global organization. But the GDI, I don't know. I know that there are people in the United States directly being connected to the GDI. I know that.

• 2:12:46Shawn Ryan?

  So they have operatives inside the US?

• 2:12:49Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:12:50Shawn Ryan?

  And in Europe?

• 2:12:51Speaker 05

  And in Europe as well. They are directly communicating with them. I know that.

• 2:12:55Shawn Ryan?

  What are they doing? Are they conducting surveillance? Are they infiltrating media? Are they... what, what...

• 2:13:07Shawn Ryan?

  They're lobbying, obviously?

• 2:13:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, they are lobbying. That's what they do. I think also what they are doing is trying to identify Afghans abroad, you know, who can be potentially your help, you know, kind of source, or they are trying to help you. Because, you know, a lot of Afghans, I mean, who are here, they have their family in Afghanistan. So they know what's going on in Afghanistan, so they can be very helpful for you. So I know that a lot of Afghans here in the United States, but also in Europe, they are so afraid to speak. Because they can be found.

• 2:13:47Speaker 05

  They know who are here, you know, from the Haqqani Network or from the Kandahari Taliban, who are potentially working for the Taliban. They know that, but they are just so afraid to speak up because they are afraid they will be deported, because they can see that our governments are protecting the Taliban.

• 2:14:08Shawn Ryan?

  So they're also... the operatives are also developing assets and creating their own networks?

• 2:14:13Speaker 05

  Yes, they do.

• 2:14:15Shawn Ryan?

  How effective are they compared to an organization like CIA? Or MI6?

• 2:14:22Speaker 05

  I think they are not much. I think their effectiveness relies in simplicity.

• 2:14:30Shawn Ryan?

  In what?

• 2:14:31Speaker 05

  They are so simply working.

• 2:14:33Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:14:33Speaker 05

  You know, it's just, really, they are taking their time, they are super smart. It's like one thing, what I know. There was one guy in the United States, his job was, given by the Taliban, by the Haqqani Network, is trying to check and monitor social media to see which Afghans are speaking up or potentially sharing information. That was his job, and he got paid for it. So they are very simple things, what they are using.

• 2:15:12Shawn Ryan?

  So when they recruit an asset, are they paying the asset, or are they threatening the asset?

• 2:15:16Speaker 05

  Oh, they do. Yeah, they do, they do. Sometimes they threaten. When they threaten, usually what I could see is that, yeah, they are not speaking. They are not speaking. And I don't know if you've seen that there was this Afghan athlete, female athlete, spoke about, you know, the Afghan cricket team, and she is receiving that threat. And she has protection from the French police. So it went that far. So they have power in our countries. They really can make people's life hell.

• 2:15:59Shawn Ryan?

  What have we not covered yet?

• 2:16:01Speaker 05

  Oh, a lot. I mean, it's just, we could talk, you know, days about these things. I think what we need to understand is that these groups are getting together. They had already their interlinks before. Now they are cooperating, Shia and Sunni, which we claim that they hate each other.

• 2:16:34Speaker 05

  I think we need to see that we we are running out of proxies. You know, the ad hoc, you know, teaming up with militias. We are using them for our interest, which is okay. But after four years, you change it and you start to pay the the opponent force. And we are running out of proxies. So these groups are learning and they know that I can play to be your friend, so I get money. But at the end of the day, I still hate you and I still will do an attack on your own soil.

• 2:17:15Speaker 05

  And they are they are cooperating and they are learning from it. So it's they are not just cooperating, they are learning from it how we can do better. And we we still don't want to kind of accept it.

• 2:17:32Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:17:33Speaker 05

  And we are using these groups to encounter Russia and China. So it's it's it's just I I've never thought I'm going to witness something like this.

• 2:17:48Shawn Ryan?

  What is US intelligence's relationship with Taliban?

• 2:17:54Speaker 05

  Oh, they are having meetings. I mean, it was two thousand twenty-two or, and I don't want to be wrong, two thousand twenty-two or twenty-three, but I think it was twenty-two, when already we had photo of CIA contractors in Kabul. So what we know that they are not all the time there, they are traveling there, you know, frequently. I know that they share intelligence, I mean, share intelligence. The Taliban is feeding the system with sort of intelligence about the ISKP and about the al-Qaeda in the India subcontinent, that's it.

• 2:18:38Speaker 05

  They are, you know, these small pieces of information and lies. And the United States is not taking any effort to verify this information.

• 2:18:52Speaker 05

  And here it comes, you can say that, "Oh, someone told me that, oh, because they are stupid." They are not stupid, so, seriously. So, the CIA is not stupid. It's just, that's the political order. There is nothing to see, move on. And it's good for us, you know, when they are lying for us, it's good for us. We don't need to do anything with that.

• 2:19:16Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 2:19:17Speaker 05

  So you don't need to admit it, that we are facing, you know, a serious threat. Obviously, Afghanistan was taken over by Taliban and Al Qaeda. Because when you reach these conclusions, it's, the next step is, you need to do something, and no one wants to do anything there.

• 2:19:37Shawn Ryan?

  Back to the GDI. I forgot to mention this. Is the GDI still holding American hostages?

• 2:19:44Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:19:45Shawn Ryan?

  How many?

• 2:19:46Speaker 05

  What I know, it's three, who are there, and it was this, um, I want to say, because I know just as well, maybe this Hobbie B., you know, he's an Afghan-American citizen. And it was just denied such a long time, you know, "No, he's not there, they don't have him." Yes, they have him.

• 2:20:07Shawn Ryan?

  This is verified?

• 2:20:08Speaker 05

  This is verified, they have him.

• 2:20:10Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know where he's being held?

• 2:20:12Speaker 05

  Well, we tried to track him, and the last, uh, last information what we've got is that already the Haqqani network and Al Qaeda has him. But where, we don't know the location.

• 2:20:27Shawn Ryan?

  What are their plans for this? Are they planning on using our hostages as negotiations?

• 2:20:31Speaker 05

  Oh, yes. Oh, yes, that's what they are going to do, that's what they are doing. I mean, it just, you have American citizen, this Ryan Corbett, who is in, as far as I know, his, um, medical condition is deteriorating.

• 2:20:49Shawn Ryan?

  deteriorating?

• 2:20:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, very fast. And he's still there, and you're still sending money. You know, it's just the CIA contractors are passing there every week.

• 2:21:01Shawn Ryan?

  Who are the other two?

• 2:21:05Speaker 05

  This Habibi I know, and I know Ryan Corbett. The third one, I don't know the name. They were not my focus.

• 2:21:13Shawn Ryan?

  Are they torturing them?

• 2:21:15Speaker 05

  As far as I know, no, except Habibi, they do. Habibi, they do. The US citizens, no, they don't.

• 2:21:22Shawn Ryan?

  Why are they torturing him? What do they want to get out of that?

• 2:21:25Speaker 05

  They believe he played sort of a role in the collecting intelligence about Ayman al-Zawahiri, you know, when he was killed in Kabul. That's what they believe. As far as I know. But I think they, I mean, really, the information I have, they don't touch the US citizens. However, I believe just to know the conditions there, that's already a torture.

• 2:21:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I can imagine.

• 2:21:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:21:56Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of negotiations do you think they'll initiate with our hostages?

• 2:22:03Speaker 05

  I think they will play now differently, you know, because of the new administration. I think they are keep trying to sell, you know, we are your friends and we are your counter terrorist partners. I don't know how it's going to work. But what I see globally and also in Afghanistan, that it's a chess game. And it doesn't matter where we step or what we do. It's checkmate. You know, we don't have so many options to do. I'm just telling you an example. Yeah, you have the hostages there.

• 2:22:48Speaker 05

  So, yeah, yeah, sure. You don't pay anymore, okay, we kill them. And what you do, you invade Afghanistan. Well, it's not going to be that easy like in, you know, in 2001. So you won't do that. So you see, we don't have so many options anymore.

• 2:23:08Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's gonna be a lot harder to, if we were to go back there, I mean, we've burned all of our allies. Who would come work with us?

• 2:23:18Speaker 05

  Oh, I think there are still. I mean, even, you know, hearing the Taliban that so many are disappointed. You know, they, they had this holy war propaganda for 20 years, you know, fighting against America, you know, the, the big evil. And now they realize that actually the Taliban is the same corrupt, you know, as the government was. They are not receiving salary. So they don't have that such a good life. I mean, the top they have. So the Taliban, I mean, from the middle level also are not so satisfied.

• 2:23:56Shawn Ryan?

  And to your knowledge, has there been any attempts to recover our hostages?

• 2:24:02Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 2:24:03Shawn Ryan?

  Is it even being discussed?

• 2:24:04Speaker 05

  I, I really don't know. It's, it's, I, I've got a couple of questions, you know, and, but they are not my focus. I'm mainly focusing on ARQ as the central leadership.

• 2:24:16Shawn Ryan?

  Do they have any European hostages?

• 2:24:18Speaker 05

  Oh, they have, not just American, they have, yeah.

• 2:24:22Shawn Ryan?

  How many European hostages?

• 2:24:23Speaker 05

  As far as I know, they have 26.

• 2:24:26Shawn Ryan?

  26 European hostages? And is Europe doing anything to recover their hostages?

• 2:24:31Speaker 05

  I don't know. You know, it's, I mean, when I see Europe, it's, it's like there is no communication. I mean, seriously, Europe is not talking about Afghanistan. You don't even find it's somewhere mentioned. Oh, yeah, they are talking about, sorry, what projects they are funding for the Taliban. And that's it. They don't. Now the narrative, I mean, it's, it's all the information, it's all about, you know, the Ukrainian and Russia war. That's controlling the entire information space in Europe.

• 2:25:04Shawn Ryan?

  Are the Europeans even aware that they have hostages?

• 2:25:07Speaker 05

  I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I, I just coincidentally saw it in one of the reports, but otherwise no one is talking about it, no one.

• 2:25:17Shawn Ryan?

  Is Europe doing anything to combat what's coming to them?

• 2:25:21Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 2:25:22Shawn Ryan?

  How would they begin?

• 2:25:25Speaker 05

  I don't know. I think we still believe that, you know, we paid the Taliban and they need our money, but they don't need our money. And I really don't see this because there is no communication with European agencies or decision-makers. Zero. Nothing. Nothing. We have a couple of, I mean, for example, we had a couple of people who reached out to us and said, "Come on, how can we cooperate better?" They are fighting the same battle as like Sarah and Scottman is doing here, you know,

• 2:26:04Speaker 05

  trying to push, you know, politicians to listen and do something, but in Europe it's harder.

• 2:26:13Shawn Ryan?

  How would you define politicized intelligence?

• 2:26:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, I mean, just to see the last four years, you know, I mean, that's what I felt on my skin, is that if, if a government decides something is not comfortable, something doesn't fit the political agenda, even on the intelligence field, it's just ignored. And this is how al-Qaeda is. You know, they don't even mention al-Qaeda. I think I heard maybe five or six times in the last couple of months, which is already an improvement.

• 2:27:00Speaker 05

  It's this, using the power to, you don't collect information based on threats. You collect information based on political agenda, like ISIS, you know, it's been ever, it's just ISIS, al-Qaeda, no, they don't exist. Yeah, but we have this, it doesn't exist.

• 2:27:27Speaker 05

  And this is extremely dangerous, because that means you are missing information and they can be vital.

• 2:27:38Speaker 05

  And I could, I mean, my partner, you know, he's American. He had direct contact with three-letter agencies. I didn't, of course, I'm not American. He had, and he screwed up. I mean, he was screwed up so many times by three-letter agencies. Like, there was one three-letter agency who told him, "Don't submit anything to us which is about Afghans or Afghanistan." But why? Because we don't care. That's the order coming from the top.

• 2:28:20Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. I've heard this a couple of times. I've heard it from congressmen at different events that the agency has reached out and told them to stop, "Just stop talking about it. Cease the conversation. This is done."

• 2:28:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, but is it? Isn't it childish? You know, it's like when you have your children, you know, and they say, "She can't hide," you know, and they just, "I'm hiding."

• 2:28:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Out of everything that we talked about, what do you think that the biggest threat to the incoming Trump administration is when it comes to terrorism?

• 2:29:06Speaker 05

  It's a little bit complex because, I mean, what I can speak about the Trump administration is coming from the media, okay? So I don't live here. So what I saw is that the new administration wants to make major changes, right? In, I don't know, I heard the FBI, you know, intelligence agencies, security forces. That can be a very sensitive point because if they initiate the attack when you do these changes, that can influence the response, right? So this is one. The other thing is that I knew when they saw the news, al Qaeda Central saw the news,

• 2:29:50Speaker 05

  first they were very upset President Trump won. But after 10, 15 minutes, Saif al-Adeh said, "Bring it on."

• 2:30:03Speaker 05

  So they know that they have a specific plan for the Trump administration. And it's all about, if you see the political agenda of President Trump, it's all about, for example, bringing troops home, right? To decrease the American military presence. You will be dragged into conflicts. And you won't be able to do that. Because if you do it, you say that, it's another example. You have an attack on an embassy. Okay, let's say that. And they will order, okay, let's find who did it, setting up, you know, you need,

• 2:30:47Speaker 05

  find the perpetrators.

• 2:30:52Speaker 05

  Still, troops are there. But if you don't go after them, the restored American image, which was, you know, another promise, you know, during the election, that's not going to happen. So that's why the next US administration don't have, I mean, those decision makers, they don't have too many options, Sean. It's a very sophisticated chess game, and they will need a very good chess player.

• 2:31:24Shawn Ryan?

  Do you feel we have any good chess players coming in?

• 2:31:27Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't know. Or just see the other things that these attacks, it will have economic impacts. So his other plan, you know, to make some economic improvements, it's not going to happen.

• 2:31:46Shawn Ryan?

  I got a lot of faith in Mike Walz. He's the incoming National Security Advisor and...

• 2:31:55Shawn Ryan?

  I hope he's paying attention. I know he is, but he's got a big job to fill.

• 2:32:00Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:32:01Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and, um, two more questions before we end. I already think I know the answer to the one, but is there any possible scenario where we make peace with these organizations?

• 2:32:18Speaker 05

  No, because they don't want peace. You know, uh, you know, I, I heard this, that we make peace with our enemy, right? It's, it's, it's, it's correct if the enemy wants peace, but this enemy doesn't want peace. They, they, they don't stop. I mean, we, we passed that stage a long time ago.

• 2:32:42Shawn Ryan?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:32:42Speaker 05

  So when we say that, okay, I made a peace deal with them, which, you know, the, it was like the Doha agreement. You know, you tried, okay, it failed. So, okay, move on, you know, so solve the problem. And we always discard what these group, these groups want. Why? They are equal players. They have their own 50% in this game. Why are we dismissing that? It's a little bit like self-centered, what we want. Yeah, but look at what they want.

• 2:33:21Speaker 05

  And I think it's, it's really important when I see Europe is that, you know, when I heard President Trump said, "We make America great again, you know, we are superpower." And it's like being the big brother, because I can see that Europe is doing what, you know, following the American flow. But, you know, to, to be powerful and being big also requires and comes with responsibility.

• 2:33:54Speaker 05

  And, and I think this is what decision-makers and politicians need to understand. You have to take the responsibility and you have to be very careful with it.

• 2:34:07Speaker 05

  Because if you don't take responsibility to be great or being powerful, that has serious consequences.

• 2:34:16Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh, uh huh. What recommendations, and this is the last question.

• 2:34:23Shawn Ryan?

  What recommendations do you have for the Trump administration? What did they need to fix first?

• 2:34:31Speaker 05

  From this point of view, first is that they need to see what happened in the last four years. It's kind of, you know, the damage assessment. You have to see what happened. And it's really important for them to be ready to see the ugly truth. Because jihadist groups are our proxies. And I don't know how can you turn that around. And you have to identify lobbyists in the United States. From the Muslim Brotherhood, from al-Qaeda, from the Taliban. You have to find them and you have to isolate them.

• 2:35:16Speaker 05

  If they are double citizens, you know, the rip off the citizenship, go home, please. You know, you are a personal non-grata here.

• 2:35:27Speaker 05

  And also see that, you know, someone used this, so it's really not my words. Al-Qaeda, I mean, terrorism is like a tumor. You find it. And it has been growing in the last four years. So you can't do that to ignore it. So the coming administration has to deal with it. They will not have another choice. Why? Because it's already here. One of the, I mean, the spreading cancer cells we are having here and we are having in Europe. So you, they don't have a choice. And the other thing, what I would really love to see

• 2:36:08Speaker 05

  finally from someone, being active and not reactive.

• 2:36:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, me too, me too, me too.

• 2:36:21Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know exactly where we would start, but everything seems reactive now. I think where we would start is prepping the local communities and getting them up to speed on this. And allocation of resources, hardening up school security, hardening up arenas, hardening up stadiums, figuring out how we detect these invisible bombs. I think those would be the, in my opinion, those would be the first steps on what we need to do to start to secure this.

• 2:36:53Speaker 05

  That's kind of urgent, yeah, it is.

• 2:36:55Shawn Ryan?

  Instead of waiting until the next one happens and then you get that local community ready when it's already gonna be somewhere else. And so, I think, I'm with you. The administration needs to get the local communities to be more proactive. There needs to be more funding.

• 2:37:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, I lied. I said there was one last question. I have one more. We just saw these wildfires

• 2:37:22Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:37:23Shawn Ryan?

  in California, specifically in Los Angeles. If I remember correctly, Al Qaeda said that they would burn our cities to the ground.

• 2:37:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:37:34Shawn Ryan?

  Is there a possibility that that, have you, let's take all speculation out. Do you have any intelligence from your assets, your sources, that that was instigated by terrorism?

• 2:37:51Speaker 05

  No, no, it was not. At least, that's what I've got. It was not. But they praised it. So it was heartbreaking to see. But yeah, they praised it. I checked it, I asked it, and my information is no, they didn't have anything to do with. I think it was an eco-terrorist, but it's, you know, who knows? Obviously, you know, I don't know everything. So I asked them and they said, no, no, no, it has nothing to do with them. I think, you know, the most powerful person in Al Qaeda Central is Saif al-Odel. And recently, we could get the translation of his book.

• 2:38:36Speaker 05

  The guy is a genius.

• 2:38:38Shawn Ryan?

  Why?

• 2:38:38Speaker 05

  He talks about strategy. He talks about innovation, targets, allies, leadership.

• 2:38:48Speaker 05

  He is a genius.

• 2:38:49Shawn Ryan?

  Should we go under that?

• 2:38:52Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah, it's a

• 2:38:56Speaker 05

  it's a it's a detailed what his ideas, it's a military strategy book. How leadership should look like. I mean, I would even give it to my country's politician is reading because this is what we need, leadership. He's writing about lessons and learn. He is writing about don't don't get stuck with victory. Go through the losses, mistakes, because that's how you develop. It's amazing. I suggest the new administration to read his book

• 2:39:39Speaker 05

  because it's just very impressive. This is how Al Qaeda is. When we look at the organization itself today, that book represents the level they are. And I don't see they are on the lower level than us.

• 2:39:55Shawn Ryan?

  Did we see, did we discuss the strategy within the interview, a lot of it?

• 2:40:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:40:01Shawn Ryan?

  How are his, what are his leadership principles? What stuck out to you?

• 2:40:06Speaker 05

  Loyalty. And that's, that's the first one, commitment. That's, that's also the others. But it's run by a very sophisticated military organization. Very sophisticated and flexible. So they don't have that rigid rules. It's, it's, it's, it's very good. I mean, I was very impressed when I read it.

• 2:40:32Shawn Ryan?

  What is the book?

• 2:40:33Speaker 05

  Thirty-three strategies. I'm, I'm going to send you and I'm going to see if we ever, I mean, some places we can make it available. Because I, I wish people could read it. Especially decision makers, because they could see this is not a guy running around in Afghanistan with an AK-47.

• 2:40:56Shawn Ryan?

  He's a mastermind.

• 2:40:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, and this guy, I mean, his book could stand West Point or Sandhurst.

• 2:41:07Shawn Ryan?

  You hear that? Any US politicians, any leadership in the country? Thirty-three Strategies. You're gonna send me a copy?

• 2:41:16Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:41:16Shawn Ryan?

  It'll be translated?

• 2:41:17Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:41:18Shawn Ryan?

  Will it be digital?

• 2:41:19Speaker 05

  It's already translated, yes.

• 2:41:21Shawn Ryan?

  Can I disseminate it through our newsletter?

• 2:41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so.

• 2:41:24Shawn Ryan?

  I'll put it in our newsletter when we receive it. You can download it for free. Have your staff read it if you don't have the time to. But it sounds pretty clear to me that we need to pay a lot of attention to that book, that mastermind, Thirty-three Strategies. Jane, thank you so much for coming. I really appreciate it. And I hope the next time we run into each other, it's better news.

• 2:41:51Speaker 05

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 2:41:53Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:42:07Shawn Ryan?

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