Trump’s 150K Tax Break Plan: Genius or Financial Diaster? | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Tom dives into the multifaceted world of politics, economics, and health. With co-host Drew, Tom unravels the surprising statements from the Trump camp regarding tax reforms, explores economic strategies around tariffs, and discusses polarizing political rhetoric with the likes of Kenedy and Eric Kim. Shifting gears, they discuss the critical issue of health with a focus on sugar-related health crises and the debates surrounding the SNAP program. This half of the episode is packed with eye-opening insights on the intersection of policy, economy, and health, encouraging listeners to ponder deeply about the world around them. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Strategic Income Targeting for Votes 06:10 Cold War Tensions with China 12:15 Debt Jubilees and War Risks 19:06 Diet Choices and Health Care Burden 24:29 Proposed Ingredient Freeze and Review 28:39 Global Leaders Push for Ukraine Peace 32:47 Chris Murphy's Analysis on Trump 37:53 AI in Daily Life and Gaming 45:59 "Happiness Through Progress and Service" 48:40 AI: Catalyst for Entrepreneurial Opportunities 54:55 Setting Boundaries in Relationships 59:32 Empower Self-Respect and Boundaries CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS: Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://rangerover.com/us/sport Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Thrive Market: ​​Go to https:thrivemarket.com/impact http://thrivemarket.com/impact for 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! Tax Network: Stop looking over your shoulder and put your IRS troubles behind you. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://tnusa.com/impact ButcherBox: Choose either grass-fed ground beef, steak tips or organic chicken thighs to get free in every box for an entire year. Plus, get an extra $20 off your first box when you use code IMPACT at https://butcherbox.com/impact ITU: Ready to breakthrough your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact American Alternative Assets: If you're ready to explore gold as part of your investment strategy, call 1-888-615-8047 or go to https://TomGetsGold.com https://tomgetsgold.com/ Mint Mobile: If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at https://mintmobile.com/impact. https://mintmobile.com/impact DISCLAIMER: Upfront payment of $45 for 3-month 5 gigabyte plan required (equivalent to $15/mo.). New customer offer for first 3 months only, then full-price plan options available. Taxes & fees extra. See MINT MOBILE for details. ********************************************************************** Do you need my help? STARTING a business: Join me inside ZERO TO FOUNDER here https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=IT_PC&utm_content=ztf_it_pc_ad SCALING a business: Click here to see if you qualify https://tombilyeu.com/scale?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=mindset_PC&utm_content=bdceo_mindset_pc_ad Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Xbox introduces an AI gaming coach. We've got some ill-advised propaganda on how jobs are evil. And a meme about how men are getting abused by women stopped me in my tracks. Drew, today was a big day in the community. We had all kinds of crazy stuff, including issues around Trump and some potentially pretty egregious corruption. We're at the headline level today. So chat, you're definitely going to want to join us on Monday for that. Not to start with a tease about the future, but it's so on my mind. We literally cut the live. It blew our minds.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  This is gonna blow up the episode. Okay, let's get this episode out. We're hidden on Monday. So we're coming for you, Chad. We heard you. Thank you for dropping it. And that's a reminder, everybody, please join our lives. They happen right before these episodes release. Eight AM, most of the time. Yep, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Pacific. So Howard Lucknick jumped off and he said that Trump would like to see no taxes for people who make less than a hundred and fifty K. Let's go.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  When the president balances the budget, his first move is going to be, uh, he has suggested that he would like to waive taxes for people under a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, right? We are going to take a trillion dollars out of the waste front abuse. And then we are going to raise a trillion dollars. That's the Trump card, the Trump gold card. Tariffs are going to be a huge revenue producer. And then getting rid of all the tax scams, but on the way, we're going to cut no tax on tips, no tax on overtime and no tax on social security.

• 3:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Man, I really hope that they can balance the budget and pull that off. I think that this would be a big win for the average American. Is it the ideal way to run the tax code? Probably not. In terms of, uh, it would be better to just simplify the tax code. Give a tax break to everybody, but the Trump camp, I think, is being very smart with the idea of promises made, promises kept. And getting something that is so easy to encapsulate. If we balance the budget, then we're going to be able to give you this. Has a lot of political juice behind it in terms of, uh, middle income to lower income. People are going to be like, yes, exactly.

• 3:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I see myself in this. This is somebody who's fighting for me. And so even though I think overall, it would probably be a better play for him to, uh, just focus on simplicity of tax code, focus on getting everybody's taxes lower. I think that this is going to give him a strong political win behind him of people who feel like this is what he campaigned on. And now he's actually making good on that promise. Um, the contingency of making sure that we balance the budget first means that this is probably something way off in the future. Uh, but nonetheless, it is very shrewd politically. And if they can pull it off, it's certainly a step in the right direction, even if it's not my vision of perfect.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  There were some skeptics that called it arbitrary, that 150 was the line. Do you think there's a better way to kind of calculate it? Why do you think he approached it at 150 as that?

• 4:30Tom Bilyeu?

  I think 150 is the number that people recognize is that sort of a middle of the road income. And hey, I don't know if they actually ran the math and said this many tens of millions or 100 plus million people, or I mean, it could be north of 200, 250 million people that fall into that camp. Hopefully they were that smart and it's like that line just makes for a massive amount of the voting public. Like if I were advising them, I would say, hey, make sure that whatever number you pick not only is easy to remember, but psychologically is going to trigger them in a positive way and actually gets you a huge voter base. Now, whether they were actually that sure or not, that I don't know.

• 5:13Tom Bilyeu?

  But I have to imagine that the number of people that would qualify for that is absolutely massive.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. In other Trump news, there's been mixed reaction to the markets. They're 2% up today, so it a little bit of a bounce back. This is the angle at which Trump is approaching the tariffs after we see a lot of the market blowback. Let's hear from J D Vance, what his perspective of Trump's strategy is.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  First of all, I think the president's been very clear. He wants to impose tariffs on foreign importers because he wants to bring investment and jobs back to the United States of America. So what I'd say to those business leaders is I think the president has actually been quite clear about what he wants to accomplish. Build more in the United States of America, invest more in the United States of America, raise wages for workers in the United States of America, and you don't have to pay these tariffs at all.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  As Reagan faced in his first term in office, coming off a terrible economic calamity for the country, can you rule out a recession, even a temporary one?

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Well, look, I think you never can predict the future, but I think the economy, the fundamentals of the economy are actually quite strong right now. And we'll see how this unfolds, Laura, but I think that by inducing more businesses to invest in American workers, by reshoring some of those critical supply chains, we are going to make this economy stronger over the long haul, and that is the president's ultimate goal.

• 6:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'm very glad she asked that follow up question because I was thinking the same Thing when we were watching the Howard Lutnick clip is these guys talk like it's an inevitability. Like this is all gonna happen. It's gonna be easy. And the reality is that it's not. And the reality is that Trump is playing chicken with the economy right now. He's doing what I'm now calling the hokey pokey tariffs. You put your right tariff in, you take your right tariff out, you put your right tariff in and you shake it all about. Uh, and that's causing chaos in the markets for sure. And the question will be, is he gonna be able to show some of the gains from the strategy that they're running by the midterms? And if they don't, this is all gonna be for naught. Uh, he's gonna lose his ability to get things passed in the house.

• 7:11Tom Bilyeu?

  And um, you know, all of the ideas will just end up dying on the vine. You're gonna have a lame duck president and that will be that. So it, it really is a game of, I think that he has the right impulse in terms of wanting to um, separate ourselves from China. Understanding that we're in a cold war with China already, that uh, it is not inconceivable that this becomes a kinetic war over Taiwan. If we're not able to bring things back onshore. And I think it's good that J D Vance mentioned, you're only gonna onshore certain things. So um, I've certainly had people criticize me for thinking that I'm pro like, no tariffs, no matter what. If Trump does it, then I'm here for it, which is just absolutely not true.

• 7:52Tom Bilyeu?

  The way that I parse through this stuff is when you have the base assumption that we're already in a cold war with China. We may find ourselves in a kinetic war or at a minimum, we absolutely have to be prepared for a kinetic war. You cannot have an adversarial nation controlling anything critical. And right now, between what they could do in terms of Taiwan and shut us off. Shutting us off from Taiwan is akin to shutting us off from our modern way of life. And because of all the chips that are coming out of there. Also, right now, um, I don't know what the percentage of our rare earth minerals that we get from China, but there's certainly a big cache of that. Uh, and so they would be strong in a way that we would not currently be strong, certainly with what's going on.

• 8:32Tom Bilyeu?

  We don't have anything settled between um, the Ukraine or Russia in terms of access to rare earth minerals. And so things that we require for a modern way of life. Right now, or just they're not friend shored or onshored. And so there are going to be critical things that I think it is absolutely necessary for national interest to bring back onshore. Now, when you spread that out even wider to deaths of despair and the fact that globalism really did gut the sort of manufacturing, that sort of gutted the manufacturing base that we had in America, which also provides jobs that historically have allowed people to

• 9:13Tom Bilyeu?

  make a decent living for their family without having to pursue a white collar education or get into a white collar job. So that one, two punch, I think, has to be taken very seriously. Now, I understand that that will come with not only short term disruption in terms of what just doesn't exist here. And so it's going to take time to bring that in. And you're creating instability, certainly with China who's getting pissed off. You're creating instability with Canada for sure. Seems to have lessened a little bit. Mexico, but there could be something looming there in order to incentivize people to bring it home. All the tariff talk is definitely creating a strain in relationships with allies.

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  But if you think of this in terms of a relationship, if you've never put boundaries in the past and you start putting boundaries now, people are going to feel some kind of way about it because you're changing the rules. So, but I don't want to blind ourselves to that is creating disruption. That is creating friction with our allies. And I don't know if he can bring things, bring jobs in fast enough to overcome the sting that we will feel in the stock market and rising costs due to tariffs, if they end up sticking and not just being a negotiating tactic. So I think to be clear eyed about this, you have to look at it as a game of chicken. It is not guaranteed that this is going to work.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is this like a medicine situation where it's going to suck now, but long term it will be better for us ultimately? And we should just push through the roughness and try to get to the other side?

• 10:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew, this is like taking antibiotics. And if you take antibiotics. You are disrupting, you're driving down the population of that microbe. But if you stop too early, the microbe grows back even stronger. And so the thing that I worry about is that either it just won't work. And the way that he views tariffs just isn't going to play out the way that I think it's going to. And instead of onshoring people, either the costs just stay high and people like, no, it's not worth moving my facility there. Now, from all the people that are making investments now in the US, it seems like we're getting early signal that that's going to work. But if it doesn't work fast enough, he loses the midterms. Now we created all this chaos in the economy. Now we've raised prices in the short term.

• 11:23Tom Bilyeu?

  And the way that we solve the problem is by retrograding, going back to a globalist stance, reempowering China. And now you're just like, you created all this chaos for no reason. You don't see it through. And now you're like in the worst of all worlds. So yes, it's like medicine in that sense that it's not fun at first. But the more troubling part would be if we're going to run this experiment, we obviously are. If you don't see it through, now things get even worse. But because there are no guarantees, I get it. This is the way the system is meant to work. It's just tough, man. It is tough. It is a, we have to find a way to onshore. We have to find a way to not be reliant on China.

• 12:07Tom Bilyeu?

  We have to find a way to give blue collar workers dignity, a job, a way to have meaning and purpose. And between globalism and the blow that that dealt and the coming AI revolution. It's like, yo, that is not going to be an easy problem to solve. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors. Luxury brands are not charging you more for better cashmere. You're paying for the storefront, the ad budget, the name on the tag. But Quince cuts all of that out. They work directly with ethical factories. They skip the middlemen and sell 100% Mongolian cashmere, starting at just 60 bucks.

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• 14:43Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  And some people on the other side of the aisle think that Trump is doing more than just making economic division. Brett Maxine Waters had some spicy words for Trump at the House of Black Caucus leaders.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  What does Trump expect? Oh, I believe he expects violence. I believe he expects confrontation. I believe he's working toward a civil war.

• 15:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I never want people to hesitate to say what they believe is true. If Maxine Waters really believes that Trump is, um, he is trying to agitate and lead us into civil war, then she should absolutely say it. But I take this as a mile marker for the level of division that continues to grow. Now, Trump has always been a divisive character. He was divisive in 2016. I can feel that energy has just accelerated. Biden didn't do anything to calm it down. Trump certainly isn't doing anything to calm it down now. Um, and when I look at Ray Dalio's talk about how debt jubilees happen, they have a great

• 15:50Tom Bilyeu?

  name, but it's actually a terrible thing. Um, they happen by civil war, um, rebellions or external war. And it is exceedingly rare that they happen through, oh, we grow our way out of it and all ends up being well because we're just able to pay down the debt because there's so much growth and, and, um, capital flying around that everybody's winning and loving life. It just doesn't usually happen like that. And when I hear the economist looking at it and going, oh God, this stuff normally leads to civil war or external war. And I've got China being like, hey, we'll happily meet you at war, literally sending a text. Supposedly they've walked it back, but I didn't see anything.

• 16:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, and then you've got our own congressman saying, no, no, no, I think the president wants civil war. Now, since oftentimes when people talk like that, they are projecting, then it's like, okay, either she's right and Trump wants civil war, or I'm right, this is projection and she wants civil war. It's like either one of those is bad and I hate them equally. So. Um, this is where, and I'll beat a dead horse here. I long for a figure that understands, just like we can be so clear eyed, or some people can be so clear eyed that, listen, Russia, you're gonna have to, uh, accept you don't get everything you want. Ukraine, you're gonna have to accept that you don't get all of your land back, and it's horrible and everybody hates it, but like, we've got to find peace. I feel the same way internally.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Neither side is gonna get everything that they want. And I want somebody who's like, cool, I get it. I'm not gonna get everything that I want. Let's find a way to come together. And I just don't see any evidence that anybody, anywhere, wants that. Now there, I mean, Fetterman is starting to say some more common sense things. Uh, even Newsom is starting to talk a little less crazy. Uh, so maybe like, people want to avoid it badly enough, but history tells me that they won't.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Well, there was one issue that united all of us in the chat, so hopefully it could do the same for America, and that is sugary snacks on SNAP. So RFK is pushing an agenda so that way, certain sugary products, soda, candy, won't be able to be purchased with food stamps. There was a hearing yesterday for a Texas bill that specifically is adding it to their legislation, and an interesting opposition popped up. Let's look at the video.

• 18:10Speaker 06

  SB 379 is a necessary step to align SNAP with its mission, which aims to eliminate cookies, soda, and candy from purchasing items under the food stamp program. You will not believe who actually showed up in opposition to this bill.

• 18:23Speaker 07

  This is Alec Punt, and I'm the Director of Government Relations for the American Heart Association. I'm here to testify today in opposition to Senate Bill 379.

• 18:31Speaker 06

  The American Heart Association. And I was not the only one who was surprised by this. That might be the surprise of the session so far. Here's what the American Heart Association representative had to say.

• 18:42Speaker 07

  The Heart Association is concerned about potential impacts of this bill on participation and population health. You know, we get, we get into the other issues of how exactly we define a lot of these things.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  Here's what I was arguing for in my testimony for the bill. America has an obesity crisis, and products like soda and candy funded by SNAP are making it worse. In 2014, we stood up against addictive products and SNAP by removing- Tobacco and alcohol. Now, a decade later, it is time we do the same for candy and soda. Although this shouldn't come as a huge surprise when we look at who the American Heart Association has accepted donations from in the past, which is largely big pharmaceutical companies and even big food companies like Kellogg's and Pepsi. Thank you to Senator Cole Course for actually calling him out.

• 19:25Speaker 07

  I would encourage you to look at what it restricted.

• 19:31Speaker 06

  This is why we need the Make America Healthy Again movement now more than ever.

• 19:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It is absolutely crazy to me that the American Heart Association would come out and say, I want to make sure that people still have access to sugary beverages and candy and cookies. Like, that is crazy. That is literally, like, if I put my most cynical hat on, not only is it do we want to take money from these companies that are funding us, but we want to just continue to exist that we recognize that disease, like, people are calling even Alzheimer's diabetes type three, that what the studies are showing is, dude, when you are intaking a lot of things that turn to sugar in the bloodstream,

• 20:20Tom Bilyeu?

  basically any carbohydrate is going to turn to sugar in the bloodstream, that that's what causes the problems of the circulatory system from the heart to the veins and what's going on in the brain is almost certainly related to that.

• 20:33Tom Bilyeu?

  That this is them just trying to stay in business, having a reason to exist. Like, that is so freaky to me. Humans really do be like that. Like, it's crazy. People do not want disruption. They want same as it ever was. But like, we were talking about this during the live. It's like, is this guy like one of the thank you for smoking guys? Where he is just perfectly happy to argue whatever. Like, he is so contrarian that even though he works for the American Heart Association, that he just says, what is the argument that I have to defeat? And I'm going to go in. And even though this is like literal Mission Impossible, I'm going to find a way to explain why people should get their ill health subsidized. Like, the thing that is racing them towards ill health. I want to make sure that they can get that for free.

• 21:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Instead of, like, how do we make healthy things for them free? Like, that is just bananas. Like, that is one I do not understand how a homeboy sleeps at night. Like, that's crazy, Tom.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Now I want to steal man, kind of the other side of the argument that says, this is an attack on poor people if just because we have food stamps doesn't mean we're not allowed to get soda and cookies, you know? Just because I'm poor doesn't mean I shouldn't have the things that I'm accustomed to. Consuming, what do you kind of have to the people on the other side that are?

• 21:47Tom Bilyeu?

  It means precisely that. So, because, follow it out. So if I don't believe these foods should be illegal, people should be able to eat whatever they want.

• 21:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I do, however, if you're asking me to pay for it, then it's like, okay, cool. I'm gonna look at the, just objectively, is this a good idea or a bad idea? Okay, how do I define good ideas and bad ideas? Very simply. What is the end state that we want? The end state that I want is, um, healthy people that are, um, able to live a life unburdened by disease as much as possible. We all get unlucky, but as much as possible, they can live a life unburdened by disease. That also, in an increasingly taxpayer subsidized healthcare system, I don't want people to be a burden on that. So, I am certainly not going to subsidize the foods that are going to cause you to not only have a horrible life, shorter life expectancy,

• 22:39Tom Bilyeu?

  be more in pain, et cetera, et cetera, and become a burden on the other system that we're funding with taxpayer dollars. So, this is exactly what I would say to somebody living under my roof is, uh, yeah, by all means, if you're not asking me to pay for it, you can go do and eat whatever you want. But as long as you're living in my house, these are going to be the rules. Now, the great news is that I'm literally with every bit of conviction, based on the way I live my own life, I'm telling you, removing those foods from your diet is going to make your life better on a host of dimensions that is hard to quantify. Because everything in your life is downstream of sleep and diet. And if you are messing up those two things, first of all, diet will mess up your sleep.

• 23:21Tom Bilyeu?

  But if you're messing up those two things, the quality of your life is going to plummet dramatically. And also, you're going to bankrupt the United States because of the healthcare burden. So, this is absolutely bananas to me, even if I just wanted to make their life better. I was driven by nothing else. I didn't care if you bankrupted the country. I just want your life to be better. I'd be like, yeah, I'm not gonna pay for those foods. It's crazy.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Enough said.

• 23:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this was like the first thing and look, we are well aware that our live chat viewers are not the same as our YouTube viewers who will for sure, there are going to be people that come out of the woodwork and absolutely hate everything that I just said, but this has been the first thing where our chat is like uniformly, yeah, word, exactly. So anyway, I hope that more people get on board with this because it is an absolute tragedy that the poorest people are in the worst shape from a health perspective. So there's a book called Nudge, which I encourage people to read. When you do things in policy that nudge people in a better direction, the outcomes are often dramatic. So when you make food that is hyper palatable and addictive, the thing that's

• 24:28Tom Bilyeu?

  free, then people are going to go to the hyper palatable addictive food. And we see the outcomes of that, which is why poor people are in worse health than as you go up the economic ladder. Another one from the book was that if you have a society and they paralleled America with another country, I don't remember which one, but in America, you have to select to be an organ donor. And so like 1% of people are organ donors. In the country that they paralleled it to, you have to unselect being an organ donor and it's 99% are. So that little nudge has this huge ramification. Now, do I expect there to be that kind of dramatic outcome by taking this kind of stuff at a snap? No. But is it going to push people in a better direction? Yes.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And then in other health news, Senator Kennedy, the head of HHS is, Secretary Kennedy, head of HHS, is now directing the FDA commission to remove grass status from a list of chemical ingredients. He had a video and talked about it.

• 25:28Speaker 08

  In the final months of the election, President Trump repeatedly called for removing toxins from our food supply. He added his voice to the millions of Maha Moms who were touting the Make America Healthy Again agenda. The first step is radical transparency because right now, not even the US government knows what's in our food. In 1958, the government created a designation called generally recognized as safe or GRAS, so that we can make common ingredients like salt and baking soda exempt from testing. But today, it isn't just salt and baking soda. Food companies and cooperative regulators.

• 26:07Speaker 08

  Have enlarged the GRAS exemption so that these companies can decide for themselves whether a substance is generally recognized as safe. No FDA approval is needed. European nations, on the other hand, require that a chemical be proven safe before it becomes a food ingredient. In our country, the GRAS standard means that every chemical is presumed safe until proven dangerous, and that proof might not happen until millions of Americans are sick with chronic disease. This mass experiment on the American population with GRAS has ensured an a catastrophe. We now have around 10,000 chemicals in our food. Europe has only 400.

• 26:52Speaker 08

  That is crazy. For example, titanium dioxide, potentially linked to DNA damage and cancer, is banned in the EU, but it's in our children's food. Titanium bromate, a suspected carcinogen, banned in Europe and Japan. And you guessed it, it's in our children's bread. Food dyes such as red dye 40 and yellow 5 and 6 come with warning labels in Europe. They're linked to behavioral issues in children, but in the US, they're generally recognized as safe.

• 27:21Tom Bilyeu?

  I agree. It's time to change the system. There's no two ways about it. Look, every, you judge a tree by the fruit that it bears. So we have a system that is yielding absolutely catastrophic outcomes, and something has to change. So I am very encouraged to see that we are starting down a path that I hope will yield a much healthier fruit. So we'll see. There's a long way to go. There's probably an effective way to do this and an absolutely horrible way to do this. I hope that we do it in the most effective way possible. Given what he was saying, I think what he's gonna do is basically put a freeze, not allow people to just automatically add new things to it, and then start working our way through what are the most common ones.

• 28:05Tom Bilyeu?

  If they already have literature, then you can make an argument for removing them. They typically give people time to remove things. If I remember right, when we were at Quest, we were constantly staying on top of ingredients that were getting either moved off. I can't remember what the exact thing was, but it was like you have until this date to no longer have this thing, or you have until this date to start labeling your product in this way. So it will be something like that. And if they do this well, then we can fairly rapidly begin to alter the food system. And I think, I don't know that we have to be as restrictive as Europe. There were certain things that they were doing that I thought really were over the top. But nonetheless, like we've got to be, we've got to be making a change. 10,000 versus 400 is a pretty big difference.

• 28:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And that's the thing that jumps out to me. If it's banned in another country, we shouldn't be eating it and our kids shouldn't be eating it. I don't think you can go that far because listen, there was a moment in the not to dispass where they were really trying to restrict people's intake of fat because they had become erroneously convinced that fat was bad for you. You still see a lot of people believing that. And so you do, you really, really do have to be careful. You don't want just, I, I live in fear of top down control for that reason. People can abuse it. People can just be flat wrong. So I want to see them be sensible. I want us to lead to innovate. I don't want new and novel products, especially as AI comes on board and they can start testing new and novel.

• 29:34Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, AI can make, AI can tell you how to make novel proteins, for instance. So it's like, you don't want to move too fast. There's no doubt about that. But I also don't want to regulate innovation out of existence. But again, judge the tree by its fruits. We have gone very, very awry and we've got to start re-correcting. I want them to be thoughtful. I want, and I want to see our best and brightest people that really understand this stuff, not from an ideological standpoint, not from a who are my donors standpoint, but like actually the human biology of it all, where does this fit? Start using AI so that we can approve some of this stuff faster, so that we can figure out what the actual knock on effects are

• 30:15Tom Bilyeu?

  in such a complicated thing as human biology, not just relying on traditional testing, which can take years and years and years. So yeah, I'd like to see a system that is Efficient, that is not political, uh, and that is certainly not captured by a hard association that thinks that you gotta fight for candy. That's crazy.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  It's nuts, but I think that's where the shortcut is, because if you go to Europe, there's still McDonald's, there's still Doritos, there's still all these things, they just have them without the toxic chemicals that are available in the US version. So I think they're already doing it in one sense. So it's just if your product is already compatible in other countries that doesn't have these chemicals, don't add the chemicals and then give it to us. Like there should be, at least that could be a flat line regulation in my opinion.

• 30:59Tom Bilyeu?

  What country do you follow?

• 31:02Speaker 01

  I was in London specifically and

• 31:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So UK, if UK approves it, it's approved here. If UK denies it, it's denied here.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yes, but I would at least have one other country. The example that he used that, um, the potassium one that's banned in both the EU, uh, in Europe and in Japan. It's like, okay, those are two different countries that have two different governments, structures, and they both came to the same conclusion. I feel like US could say, yeah, they're probably right.

• 31:24Tom Bilyeu?

  That feels better to me. Like if you do some sort of, all right, here are the three or four countries that if they ban, then

• 31:30Speaker 01

  If it's been in Europe, Japan, and Australia, it should be an absolute no.

• 31:34Tom Bilyeu?

  I wouldn't say absolute no, but that now you're gonna go through the process. Now you were gonna start at the very beginning, we're gonna be running the test, we're gonna be seeing. There's some logic to that. It's, uh, I'd still like to see us play a leadership role, but we have not earned that right. That is for sure.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  At least not in health. Yeah, we can take our way to it, but yeah.

• 31:51Tom Bilyeu?

  No doubt. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors.

• 31:59Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  All right, in Russia-Ukraine news, so we talked, uh, on our last episode that on paper Putin accepted to the ceasefire deals. He said he still wants to talk to Trump. There's some certain terms that he feels like he wants to get done.

• 32:15Speaker 09

  But first of all, I would like to thank the President of the United States for

• 32:25Speaker 09

  for paying so much attention to regulating the conflict in Ukraine. Of course, we all have lots of current issues to deal with.

• 32:36Speaker 09

  And the Chairman of China and the Prime Minister of India. And heads of states of Brazil and South Africa, they are they are dealing with this issue and they're paying a lot of attention to this and we're grateful for this. And we we're hoping that their activity, we understand that their activities aimed at reducing um loss of human life in the conflict. Second is, we agree with the proposals for the ceasefire. But our position is based on

• 33:18Speaker 09

  on the assumption that the ceasefire would lead to a long-term peace. Something that would remove the initial reasons for the crisis. As for the readiness of Ukraine to ceasefire.

• 33:38Speaker 09

  There's a meeting between Americans and Ukrainians in Saudi Arabia. And it looks like a decision that is taken by Ukrainian side under American pressure. In reality, I am completely convinced that Ukraine had to ask had to ask Ukrainians, ask Americans, insist on this, based on the situation on the ground.

• 34:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so this, we're also gonna wanna show what Zelensky said to that. So it's like hedge, hedge. Yes, we want to broker peace. However, there's an underlying issue that led us into this situation and that's gotta be dealt with. Uh, to drag it out into the daylight, it's Ukraine cannot be a part of NATO. Like, that is the longstanding position, whether you think that Putin is territorial, uh, an imperialist who's trying to gain more territory or not. He said, plain and simple, that's a hard line, red line, won't let it be crossed. Um, Trump alluded to, there's an answer that Zelensky knows, something that he's known for 40 years that he's not gonna get.

• 34:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Seems very obvious to me that he's talking about entry into NATO. So I'll be very interested to see if Trump laid that out plainly and Zelensky knows that that's not on the table.

• 35:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Then what did he agree to exactly? Cause he's been so hardcore about I've got to have security guarantees, which I certainly understand from his perspective. So anyway, um, here is Zelensky. It's a lot of words. So I'm in a, I'm in a paraphrase what his tweet said. So Zelensky is basically saying, listen, um, Putin is not going to accept this. He is, he just doesn't want to say directly to Trump that he's going to reject it. But, um, Zelensky fully expects that Putin is about to reject this. Now, as of the time of recording, Putin has not rejected it yet. Um, but I have to admit that given the way that Putin is talking, he's leaving that caveat. And so I don't know, um, that Zelensky would have agreed to something

• 35:52Tom Bilyeu?

  that doesn't include some security guarantees of some kind, uh, for Ukraine. So we'll see, we'll see. Um, I'll be very eager to hear the details of the peace agreement. I'll be very eager to see what Trump ends up saying, um, to Russia. Because another illusion, I hope you guys all join us for the Monday live, where we're going to be talking more. So one of the members of our community put something forward from what, what is the guy's name? Chris Murphy. Chris Murphy. So Chris Murphy, um, did a breakdown on X, talking about just blatant corruption from Trump. And, um, I need to follow the threads.

• 36:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know yet, uh, whether to believe it or not, but they are really, if they are accurate, they are very damning. So, uh, it'll be very interesting to see that if Trump continues to feel like, um, he seems more on Putin's side than Zelensky's, uh, that will certainly be a signal. So I'm very, very, I was really encouraged to see that Trump got the agreement from Zelensky first. And I was like, okay, this is exactly what we need to see, to see that Trump really gives a shit about peace and that this isn't, cause I mean, at one point Grok was saying that 85% chance that Trump is in cahoots with Russia. And it's like, yikes. Like if your boy's AI is like, nah, nah, for real, he's in bed, like guaranteed.

• 37:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Not guaranteed, but 85% chance. Uh, that's not good. So, um, seeing him.

• 37:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Come through first with Zelensky, I was definitely encouraged by that, but we'll see how this plays. If Putin backs off and then Trump just doubles down on Zelensky and it was like, yeah, he was obviously never going to agree to that. Anyway, you were being greedy, which would be super weird, given the things that he said, but would be such a clear signal about whose team he's batting for. I want to be careful with my language. I haven't gone deep enough on any of this yet. So this is all speculation at this stage. But anyway, join us on Monday, if you will, where we're going to be looking more closely at

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Chris Murphy.

• 37:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Chris Murphy. So yeah, it's, it's interesting to say the least. Well worth looking into. We shall see.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it seems like we're at a stalemate because Russia-

• 38:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Specifically Russia, Ukraine?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, with Russia, Ukraine, because Russia doesn't want them to join NATO. I think that's their line. Ukraine is like, okay, we won't join NATO, but we need security guarantees. Nobody wants to give them security guarantees. The last couple of years they've done that. Russia slowly, they've invaded Kiev, like they, they have tested the waters already and they have accumulated some Ukrainian lane. It's not, at this point, I'm not even sure if it's significant or not, but they've, like, there was already this, they did this song and dance before. So I think Zelensky is at a point now where he can't just say, I'll take a ceasefire and a handshake deal because I did that already. So I think-

• 38:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me see if, so I'm gonna place a guess as to what I think happened as a way to find out how accurate my mental map is. Inevitably, it's not going to be 100% accurate. I just don't know if it's 80% accurate or 4%. But here's what I'm gonna guess. It's going to look something like, Trump has made it very clear that while there is an active war going on, there's no world in which I'm going to give you a security guarantee. However, if we can get a ceasefire, then I want to intertwine our economies in the way of the things that he's talked about. There could be more, but the ones that I've heard him talk about are the rare earth minerals. So it's like, let's get a ceasefire,

• 39:28Tom Bilyeu?

  let's get Putin to agree as long as XYZ thing remains true. Through then we're good broker Trump to broker a deal then with Zelensky for effectively compensation a way to care enough about what's happening there that we would still back them. And then if Russia is the aggressor again, while it's not a full blown security guarantee, it's like, hey, we're going to guarantee this level of funding because we want to make sure that we are still able to get our assets out, or he might even, I can't imagine he'd go farther than that. My gut is it's going to be something like that. They're not going to let him into NATO. It's going to be this thing about we will protect our interests. It will be a promise

• 40:08Tom Bilyeu?

  of sanctions, economic warfare against Russia if they were to invade. It's going to be something like that if I had to guess. Now, if that plays out, then I'm mapping Trump, Zelensky, and Putin reasonably well. If it doesn't play out like that, then I'm going to have to update my thinking because that's what I expect.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Switching gears to tech news, Xbox debuted a new AI powered gaming companion for mobile users. So it's pretty much like Siri for gaming. All the example over here for Age of Empire would be like, what's the best way to take out the beast? Want me to pull up a quick strategy guide? So it's kind of having somebody in your back pocket that you can use to talk to. Fatima Khadar, corporate vice president of gaming and AI, said it can even trash talk if that's what you need. So I guess they're going to add some personality, things like that to it. What's your thoughts on AI getting more incorporated into gaming?

• 40:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I couldn't be more excited about that, but I'm also the guy that wants it incorporated into my chair, my lamp, my bed. Like I want AI everywhere that I turn. I, whether I want it or not, that is the inevitable future. It is just easier to say, hey, lamp, would you turn on real fast? It's a little too bright dim. Like you just want to live in that world. Now, whether everybody shares my desire for an emotive lamp, that may be a different story, but I love the idea of all the different things in my life being excited to see me. My fridge is happy when I open it and interact with it and it's just, you know, flashes lights and reminds me when I'm about to run out of something like that to me is a world that I want to live in. And so on the gaming side, because we're developing a video game.

• 41:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Obviously, I'm, we're already deploying AI inside of our game. And I know how cool and thrilling that is to have a character that you can give verbal commands to, and it will follow your verbal commands is awesome. And makes having a character in the game really feel real in a way that like is hard to express. It's very different than when you have to do the controller and you click and like tell it, go do that command, which is already interesting. But when you can just talk to it and it does it, it's amazing. Um, and then a part of what we're trying to build, though there may still be technological hurdles that delays this idea, it will become possible, whether it's possible. Uh, now I don't yet know, but we're, um, going down the path of exploring the feasibility

• 42:26Tom Bilyeu?

  of having a, um, in real life, think of it as like a toy representation of the character inside the game. And the toy and the character in game sync up. So whether you have the communication with the toy, cause you're not in the game, or you have the communication with the character in the game, uh, it doesn't matter. Like those lines are blurred. It's a whole concept I call borderless entertainment, which I think is the future of all this. So this is a step on that path. I think it is absolutely inevitable. I think it's thrilling. I think it's going to make gaming more fun. Um, so yeah, I'm super excited and not in the least bit surprised.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I grew up in the strategy guide era too. So I used to Google stuff when I got stuck. So it'll be nice just to have, okay, hey, I'm stuck at this board. How can I get this ball, sir? What should I do? So I think it'll make, it'll make certain things easier and make it more engaging. So that way I don't have to minimize this one. No, go over here, pull it up, pull my phone out. Now I'm trying to double screen it, cause it's happened all in one place. So I'm more into the game.

• 43:18Tom Bilyeu?

  If you can imbue it with a personality that you find engaging.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Like it's fun. When I'm interacting with chat GPT, which is typically the one that I use.

• 43:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Because I've given it instructions on how to talk to me. Ah, I'd love it, man. I love it. I'm like, I want you to act like my best friend who's really good at whatever thing. And I want you to be critical of my ideas, push back, tell me when something could be better, all that stuff. It's awesome. It really does feel like you're engaging with a person.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Nice. Nice. All right. And then you sent this one to me, the video that will change your life. This is a way to look at work.

• 43:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, this, yeah. I take this in the exact opposite direction that they mean it, but yeah. So it says how to, uh, how the comfort of a nine to five can cost you your whole life.

• 44:07Speaker 10

  You see these four lines? Yeah. I just need you to stand there until 5:30 today. I'll give you 50 bucks. Yeah, I'll do it. Very good.

• 44:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And so the guy takes his place, stands in the square, and literally just standing there, just standing in the square, watching time go by.

• 44:24Speaker 10

  Thank you.

• 44:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Not doing anything meaningful with his life.

• 44:27Speaker 10

  Yes, absolutely. I loved it.

• 44:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But he's stoked, right? He's getting paid. He's also a skater. It's important to know that.

• 44:34Speaker 10

  See if you want to skate in town with us. That's insane. I gotta stay here. What do you mean? I'm working, can't you see? Does anyone even watch it here? I'm making a living. Have fun.

• 44:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Checking his clock, time has passed, work's over, head home. Next day, he's moving up in life.

• 44:57Speaker 10

  You're an asset to me. Come with me. I'm raising your salary by 30%. And now?

• 45:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Walks into New Square.

• 45:05Speaker 10

  Really? Go ahead. Check it out. This thing is massive. It's bigger. You can see the bridge from here. You earned it. This is incredible.

• 45:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Obviously making fun of having an office. Alright, now way too much time has gone by.

• 45:18Speaker 10

  2,000 bucks.

• 45:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Gray hair.

• 45:19Speaker 10

  But I'd like to retire now if I could. It's been a pleasure working with you.

• 45:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And now, that he's free and doesn't have to work anymore, he's like, "I'm finally gonna skateboard."

• 45:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And then it falls down.

• 45:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And it says, "Wake up before it's too late." Drew, this one makes me sad. Talk to me. Okay, so... This is obviously a thing that people can get sucked into, where you're doing a job you don't care about, you're just trying to collect a paycheck, you're living for the weekend. I get the moral of the story, obviously. For anybody that doesn't know my story, I spent many years as an employee. So I know what it's like to be an employee. But even when I was an employee, my thing was, I wanna work at something that matters to me. And that's one of the things that I think a lot about with Impact Theory is...

• 46:22Tom Bilyeu?

  People are coming here and they're, they're giving you years of their life. And my job is to hand them back meaning and purpose, or at least, because I can't give it to you, but at least make it possible for people to express their talent and intelligence through their career. When people believe that that's a fundamental impossibility and that they're caught up in some sort of modern day slavery, it's like, ah, now you just have the wrong frame of reference. You're taking the frame of reference of I am trapped. Instead of, and this is what I used to do back at Quest, was okay, I'm here in the inner cities. I'm working with people that really their whole lives have been trapped by an ideology. Many of them had never gone more than a couple of miles away from their house, which is crazy, but true.

• 47:04Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'm like, you guys can almost see Beverly Hills from here, but you've never been there? Nah, man, never been. What? So I used to drive them, take them to a fancy restaurant near Beverly Hills, and then drive them up into like Bel Air and just try to get them to dream. And my thing was, listen, I want you to work here because you know that I care more about your future than your own mother. So I'm gonna try to teach you everything that I know about entrepreneurship, because I don't want you to work here because you feel trapped. I don't want you to be here because you're like, wow, I can't get this good of a job anywhere else. I want you to understand that you can get so good at something that you could go work anywhere.

• 47:44Tom Bilyeu?

  And that propaganda, because it's also propaganda, that propaganda is empowering. This, it really was like Quest really was the place where I realized, I don't just want to tell stories. I want to tell stories that empower people. Because I saw people that were disempowered by a set of ideas. This is one of those ideas. This, this is not a hopeful, optimistic thing. Like, what do they want that person to wake up to? To go skateboard? I guarantee that person's gonna get to their thirties and be like, I've wasted my life skateboarding. Like, insert anything and the person is gonna be like, why did I just waste my life doing that? At some point, like, the thing that people have to embrace is that there is an evolutionarily placed algorithm in your brain that is compelling you to pursue fulfillment.

• 48:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Fulfillment has a knowable recipe. And it goes like this, and I welcome anybody who thinks that they have a deeper insight, because lord knows, if somebody sees this even more clearly than I, I will take it. Fulfillment requires that you work hard.

• 48:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, requires that you work hard, so if it comes easily, it won't work. Work hard to gain a set of skills that allow you to make progress towards a goal that uplifts you and other people. If you do that, even in a moment of despair, you lose your significant other. Even in that moment, you can still feel fulfilled. You can be proud of the person that you are or the person that you're becoming. If you don't do that formula, you will feel ill at ease your whole life. And this is why billionaires will commit suicide. This is why rich kids end up imploding. Because they may not even know what they're trying to achieve, so they don't have a goal.

• 49:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Or maybe that goal only uplifts them, but doesn't uplift those around them. We are a tribal creature. If we're not serving the group, we're going to feel a profound sense of dis-ease. Things that come too easily, we don't feel like we earned, something feels off. People that think that by attaining, they're going to be happy. It's not, you have to make progress towards a thing. When you're making progress, I always thought this was a brilliant insight of Tony Robbins. That happiness is progress, that progress itself is a foundational pillar to being happy. And once you understand that, that it's like, oh, I need to be working hard at something I care about. For whatever reason, I care about it. I love it, I want to do it, but I'm making progress towards something that uplifts me and others.

• 50:13Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you want to be a skateboarder and you can turn it into a career, whether you own a skate shop, you're an accountant for a skateboard company, you run a skateboard company, you're a professional skater, you make skateboard video games, whatever, but you're doing a thing that you can look at and say, this helps other people. And the number of people that have applied to work for us or have come to work for us, that was like, I was working on a YouTube channel, but it didn't really add up to anything and really care about it. And so I wanted to come here because the whole idea of having impact, like I really want to matter. Failing to understand that is failing to understand the whole game. So the idea of like, oh, you just need to escape the rat race. It's like the rat race becomes a rat race because it's the way that you gamify something. It's the way that you make progress.

• 50:58Tom Bilyeu?

  So even more, I don't pay a people have a path out of ejecting out of the nine to five. I love it. I did.

• 51:06Tom Bilyeu?

  But the reason that I didn't retire when I sold Quest was because I knew I would have to answer the question of fulfillment.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  No, no, that was good. I think the takeaway, I'm a TLDR that the rat race becomes a rat race because people are chasing something they don't care about. They're on a hamster wheel. Whereas if they're working in their passion, they're working something that they care about. They're working at something that has a purpose that can also help other people. It will be better. So for that example, instead of working, standing in a box, wishing he could skate, he should have been a manager at a skate company or a skate shirt. Like just incorporate those two things, the things that you're wildly passionate about, the things that you can do, the skills that you can acquire, and try to align those in some type of meaningful way.

• 51:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep, you've got to make progress towards something that matters to you and other people.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna put my sci fi writer hat on.

• 51:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Please.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Now with AI that's fundamentally disrupting a lot of these things. Do you think now is a good time to have that shuffle? Because now if I am stuck in a dead end job with something I don't like, I now have a tool that can at least help me acquire skills at a rapid pace to get closer to what I actually want.

• 52:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think that AI is going to create massive opportunity for people. And that's why, rather than people going, I need to eject out of this whole system. It's a question of, okay, how do I make this system work for me? How do I get good at building something that I'm excited about, that other people want? Because in a world of AI, there aren't going to be as many, this is my thesis, there aren't going to be as many big companies. It's going to be a gazillion little companies, whether it's a solopreneur, building a one off thing that they want to bring to the world, or they're a part of a small company. But it's getting people to understand the game of AI is, is going to be a question of how do you? Deliver meaning and purpose because meaning and purpose is still going to matter. You're still going to have that evolutionarily placed algorithm running in your brain screaming at you

• 53:02Tom Bilyeu?

  to do things that matter to you and to the group, period, end of story. And they are going to have to answer that question. And so I don't think the right answer is checking out and going and chilling on a beach. It won't work. You will feel that profound sense of dis-ease. This is why I come back to one of the easiest ways, not easy, that's, that's the wrong word. One of the, the most likely to work ways to become fulfilled in a world where an artificial superintelligence can do everything better than you is to find love and raise children. If you do that, evolution has ensured that it's going to make you feel good about that. So that is my shorthand for even if you live in a world of abundance and you don't need to do

• 53:42Tom Bilyeu?

  anything to take care of your physical needs, food's there, it's all free, housing is free, everything, just abundance, abundance. You will feel absolutely fucking horrible if you don't do something that allows you to gain a set, work hard to gain a set of skills that allows you to make progress towards a goal that matters to you, raising this child well, loving my spouse well. If you don't find a path to that, you're in trouble, no matter how much abundance there is.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Man, that was good. That was good. I feel like I learned something. A little bit of mindset time coming back. I see.

• 54:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, hey, it's always here. Everything I do, I do through the lens of mindset. There's no doubt about that.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  All right. And then now, uh, is this truly the typical male journey?

• 54:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh God, this scared me. You're gonna have to answer this. I am horrified that this is what people think life is. This is a meme video. It is done in like just little simple like figures that you would see on like a bathroom door. So it's a man and a woman. All right. So it's, I'll, let me set you up so I don't have to explain this with every frame. Okay. So this is very much, um, a red pill and like the negative red pill-y kind of way where it's, um, a woman pushing a man to do certain things and the man keeps acquiescing. And so the frame number one is I want marriage, man says, okay.

• 55:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And then the woman says, I want kids. Man says, okay.

• 55:11Tom Bilyeu?

  They have kids. Yay. Then the man is working and the woman is, it just shows her like making sounds at him. So I'm going to say the woman barks at him the following thing. So the woman barks at him, he's working too much. She wants him to do chores. He goes out and does all the chores.

• 55:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And he's now at work. He's punching in, he's punching out, goes back home. Wife is mad, wants him to play with the kids. So now he's just worked his ass off, comes home, plays with the kids. Then she says, the romance is gone and he doesn't give me enough attention. And her friend says, yeah, girl, you deserve better. So, but so far the implication being, well, you're the one that's like wearing this guy down to a nub. And, uh, but the woman can't see it at all. And her friends simply reinforce this negative thing.

• 55:59Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, then on Facebook, uh, a guy slides into her DMs and is like, you're so beautiful. I can't stop thinking about you. And she says, stop, you know, I'm married. I like the voice.

• 56:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And then we're back with the husband. We're barking at him because he's going golfing.

• 56:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And then slide back into the DM. Come on, uh, let me come over for coffee while he's at work. She says, okay, but it's just for coffee and chat.

• 56:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And then they're having sex. Is this the first time you're seeing it? Yep. And then back with the husband, uh, how could you do this to me? And she says, he made me feel special.

• 56:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And then divorce and the woman gets all the money. Oh God, this is so sad. And then cut to man is now lonely and woman is still banging, same guy. And she has the dog. You can't forget the dog.

• 56:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Then shit, the kids are going to hate me as they say, we miss daddy. This is mom thinking.

• 57:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Your daddy is living a new life now. He doesn't have time for you, says the evil woman.

• 57:09Tom Bilyeu?

  And, uh, ex-husband is now very sad. Can't find joy anywhere. He's drinking.

• 57:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And the woman says, "It's your father's fault," as the kids are waiting, "because he mistreated me and ignored me for years."

• 57:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And then back on Facebook, the woman, "Thank you, everyone, for your support." Guys are chiming in, "What an asshole. It sucks you had to go through that. I'll always be there for you." These are all men.

• 57:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And then back to the kids, "Your dad is probably out there with a new girlfriend while I take care of you kids." Okay, anyway, there's gonna be a whole bunch of this, like back and forth. Mom is saying that shit to the kids. Dad is left. You should try online dating and it just derails from there. And I was like, "Holy Jesus."

• 57:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Is Drew, how does this land for yourself? You're laughing quite hard.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Because it just keeps getting better with every slide. It's like-

• 58:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Better or more terrifying?

• 58:07Speaker 01

  It's dramatic, so I appreciate it. Man, huh, this is hitting a little bit close to home because me and my ex split. It wasn't that situation, at least I hope. There wasn't anybody in Facebook in her DMs.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I think there's something fundamentally missing with this. And this is something that I think you articulate very well with Lisa, that at the very top of the relationship, I think boundaries need to be placed and there needs to be that initial discussion. I think the age of, "Yeah, okay, yeah, okay." That type of man, he either stays with the woman and becomes a shell of himself or he's depressed and we end up with this kind of slideshow. And in my personal life, I have people in my family who I could see the spark in their eyes are fundamentally gone, which is why I made the decision. I made it early because I was like, "Okay, I know that this is going to a place that's not gonna work. I can be 50% of me and just be the guy that is coming home sad and drinking and trying to get away from my wife.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Or I could just say, "Hey, I'm gonna call it now while we're still young and still be able to bounce back and kind of build a new life that we both respect and love ourselves individually." Which it was a risky bet, but 10 years later, like, it worked out. Like, she's cool, I'm cool, I'm happy for her. She just had a baby. Congrats. Beautiful baby girl. So it was one of those things that like- You you have to establish it at day one, though. And I think that a lot of people are just like, oh, I like you, you like me. Let's bump private parts. Okay, now we're bumping private parts. Okay, now we're moving in together. Okay, let's get married. Okay, and you just kind of keep going with it because it feels good. It feels good. And then when life becomes hard and things hit you on the other side, they're not prepared for that change.

• 59:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I look at this and I say, okay, if the if a woman acts like that, she is a moron because you are going to get the worst out of a man.

• 59:56Tom Bilyeu?

  If a man allows himself to be treated like that, he is weak, weak. And everybody needs to take responsibility for themselves. This woman needs to understand, huh, I'm not getting out of life what I want. I have a husband that isn't giving me the attention that I want. What am I doing wrong? The husband needs to be like, man, I'm constantly getting barked at, being told what to do. I feel terrible. I hate my job. I hate coming home like this is misery. What do I need to do differently to change this? To your point, yes, setting boundaries. Also, just like I don't understand why people don't have as a North Star, like I'm going to be in a relationship that is worth the compromise. So for me, coming into a relationship, it seems so self evident to me that relationships are compromised.

• 1:00:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm doing things oftentimes that I don't want to do because I want to be with this person. And so I was just constantly saying it has to be worth it. This to be together has to be worth it. And if you're doing things that are not worth it, hard pass. So it would be obviously you'd have to take all of this stuff one person at a time. But I think the reality is I love being with my wife. I don't need to be with my wife. My wife, I hope, loves being with me, but doesn't need to be with me. Meaning I'm okay by myself. I can be alone. And because I can be alone, as I say, all problems stem from man's inability to sit alone in a room by himself. I don't have that problem. I can sit in a room by myself. Now, I understand as a human, you can isolate me forever, but.

• 1:01:25Tom Bilyeu?

  That helps a lot. And I, to get laid, I had to learn the lesson that you cannot have fear of loss. You have to be willing to walk away. And so both Lisa and I established boundaries, literally at the very beginning of our relationship and said, like, here are the rules. This is not, once we were saying, I love you, this is not unconditional love. These are the things that have to be true. And then just understanding that as a value system, to me, it is very important that I feel better about myself when I'm with my wife than when I'm without. And it's very important to me that she feel better about herself when she's with me than when she's not. And then the final, to really befuddle people, I really think that there is a dynamic between men and women where you should be making each other better.

• 1:02:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Like Lisa was at times, not barking at me, but she was, this isn't who you promised me you wanted to become. Like, you're not, uh, living up to the person you said you wanted to become. You laid out who you wanted to become. I invested in trying to help you become that person. And when you are not living up to the person you said you wanted to become, I'm going to say something and vice versa. And that's how we've like played off of each other forever. It's like, tell me who you want to become. And then in the moment where you're knocked to your knees, I'm not going to get down on my knees with you. Like, we, we literally had this conversation. I've said to her a thousand times, when I'm on my knees, I do not want you to get on your knees with me, put your arm around me and tell me everything is going to be fine.

• 1:02:49Tom Bilyeu?

  I want you to extend a hand, pick me back up, brush my shoulders off, give me the Jerry Maguire speech and help me get back in the game. That's what I want. And if people navigate that way, I mean, I'm speaking now, we've been married for 22 years.

• 1:03:08Tom Bilyeu?

  If you live your life that way, it is the most rewarding thing by far that you can do, for sure. Outside of having children, that one I won't speak to. But, um, man, people just do not make enough demands of themselves, in my opinion. Like, when I look at that, I'm like, yo, this is on him. Like, what the fuck? Why would you let somebody treat you like that? That's crazy. And it is not a default in the female brain to treat you like that. Anyone, anyone, male or female, will treat you exactly the way you let them treat you. And so if you let them treat you like that, then they're going to, including kids. So, yeah, hard pass for me.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Crazy. Shout out to the stick figure. I hope he figures it out, man. I'm rooting for you, stick figure.

• 1:03:57Tom Bilyeu?

  We're pulling for you.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  That's all I got.

• 1:03:59Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:04:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Chris Murphy, thank you.

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