Episode 378 - Unsolved Mysteries | The Berkshire UFO Incident

What really happened in the Berkshires on Labor Day weekend in 1969? This week, we explore one of the most unsettling UFO cases ever featured on Unsolved Mysteries. Multiple witnesses across western Massachusetts reported seeing the same strange object in the sky, and for some the encounters went far beyond a simple sighting. We dig into personal accounts of missing time, glowing orbs, telepathic messages, paralyzing beams of light, and childhood memories of being aboard a craft that still haunt witnesses more than fifty years later. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How are we doing?

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. And we are your Ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:18Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am Sabrina. Hello.

• 2:21Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why am I thinking of Julia Childs?

• 2:25Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like a little bit of a, what's the movie where he dresses up? Mrs. Doubtfire.

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  Mrs. Doubtfire.

• 2:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 2:34Corinne Vien?

  What a good movie. Everyone should just stop what they're doing, turn off this podcast and go watch that movie. It's such a good feel.

• 2:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such a good one.

• 2:40Corinne Vien?

  Feel-good movie. Well, should we just jump right into it?

• 2:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. I mean, has anything happened in our lives since I saw you two days ago?

• 2:47Corinne Vien?

  Two days ago? No.

• 2:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, oh my God, I did. Something has happened to me.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 2:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, so I like don't drink as often as I used to back in college. Shocker.

• 2:59Corinne Vien?

  Shocker.

• 3:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No one should. But I like, just the other day, I was like, I just kind of like want something that like post-work, I can just like take the edge off. So I went and bought a bunch of like weed gummies. And I walked into the store and the guy, like, I don't do this. Like, I'm not, you know, that type of person.

• 3:18Corinne Vien?

  I don't even know what to order.

• 3:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. The guy sees me and he goes, are you okay? And I was like, I'm just really confused. I don't know what to do. And he's like, come on over here, I got you. But anyway, I took a gummy last night, or I took half a gummy because I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna do.

• 3:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Didn't feel it, so I took another half. And then, my goodness, I was in the second place.

• 3:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was eating Stouffer's mac and cheese.

• 3:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yum.

• 3:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cookies from Elizabeth that have been in my freezer.

• 3:45Corinne Vien?

  So good.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I woke up this morning and I was like, I might still be high, so.

• 3:49Corinne Vien?

  Did you watch, did you, are you high right now?

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I passed. But it was like that groggy, like waking up.

• 3:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Did you watch anything while you were? I feel like you always have good recommendations for like TV and movies. Also, I'm sweating my ass off. I'm gonna take my sweatshirt off.

• 4:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Take it off.

• 4:04Corinne Vien?

  My hormones are raging. Now you can see my stains on my shirt, but that's life.

• 4:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's life.

• 4:13Corinne Vien?

  My god.

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was a nice, nice little evening to myself.

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that sounds lovely.

• 4:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was nice.

• 4:18Corinne Vien?

  How great.

• 4:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Went to the sunken place.

• 4:20Corinne Vien?

  Went to the sunken place.

• 4:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was deep in my couch, like, what's the girl from?

• 4:24Corinne Vien?

  Does Lea have a reaction to you when you're?

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no, she just wants her own food.

• 4:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 4:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's not like I smoked, you know, like, I don't smell different or anything, but I was gonna say, who's the lady who did the couch? Big red couch and then like?

• 4:37Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 4:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The cloth legs. I felt like her stuck in it, like the little lint things that come to life that live in her couch.

• 4:43Corinne Vien?

  Didn't we just look up?

• 4:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like a year ago, but yeah.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay, no, more recently, like within this past like six weeks, I was watching the intro to.

• 4:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, you watched the intro?

• 4:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, the like theme song and then her little cloth thing.

• 4:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was because when your parents were here, we were talking about how Miss Rachel kinda has that vibe.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Is that when we looked it up?

• 5:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I didn't watch it with you, but I.

• 5:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, because yeah, I was like, I definitely looked at it for like a good thirty seconds.

• 5:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, that's our update.

• 5:06Corinne Vien?

  Here we are.

• 5:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then now we have ghost stories for you.

• 5:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, well, maybe not a ghost story this week. Something a little different.

• 5:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is it?

• 5:14Corinne Vien?

  Because when I was ill, which I've been sick for like a month.

• 5:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is pregnancy kind of a sickness? It's like a mutation.

• 5:21Corinne Vien?

  I have a condition.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a child growing inside of you.

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  But it was like half my family members went down with the flu. It was brutal. Anyway, rough month. Spent a lot of time in bed and when I was in bed, I logged into Netflix as people do. And I was like, oh, what's a show that feels good to watch and that I haven't seen in a while? And that is when I clicked on Unsolved Mysteries, the best. I could re-watch Unsolved Mysteries infinite amount of times and still kind of constantly forget what the.

• 5:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That and branded files.

• 5:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and then it feels like you're watching it for the first time again and you're like, wow, because it's just, everything is so mind blowing.

• 5:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So good.

• 5:59Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, so it was the new Unsolved Mysteries, because obviously there was the one that aired on cable. But then there's the special that's like on Netflix where I think there's a few different volumes, a few episodes per volume. So.

• 6:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What did you spill on your pants?

• 6:14Corinne Vien?

  Um, I think that this is dirt. That didn't come out.

• 6:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 6:19Corinne Vien?

  And then on my shirt, strawberries from Noah.

• 6:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The shirt's not as visible to me from this angle.

• 6:24Corinne Vien?

  I think that's my own maple syrup.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  No, most of my clothes have to go in the trash because I just.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, they become a bib.

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  They literally are. Okay, so maybe aliens will think we're disgusting if they come down here.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hope not. I hope they love me.

• 6:37Corinne Vien?

  They certainly have come to see some of us. One day Sabrina too.

• 6:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe.

• 6:41Corinne Vien?

  Will manifest. Okay, but volume one, episode five was called Berkshires UFO. And I was like, wait a second, I don't remember hearing about this. We live so close to the Berkshires.

• 6:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 6:50Corinne Vien?

  In Massachusetts. We can drive there in like an hour and a half. And this was based on documented accounts of the September first nineteen sixty nine UFO incident in Berkshire County, Massachusetts.

• 7:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is this around the time as Betty and Barney Hill? Like, I think it happened in the sixties.

• 7:07Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 7:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I feel like.

• 7:08Corinne Vien?

  I did look this up originally and then I didn't write it down.

• 7:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, what was happening in the sixties? That aliens were like, we gotta go check Earth out.

• 7:15Corinne Vien?

  Betty and Barney Hill, the sixty one.

• 7:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's happening in the sixties? But aliens are like, what's up, Earth?

• 7:21Corinne Vien?

  I don't, I don't know. And I guess New England, but really it was everywhere.

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, yeah, everywhere.

• 7:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So it's Labor Day weekend nineteen sixty nine in western Massachusetts. The Berkshire Hills are a postcard. There are covered bridges, glittering Housetonic River.

• 7:40Corinne Vien?

  Farmlands, fireflies, Appalachian Mountains.

• 7:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is the river?

• 7:45Corinne Vien?

  The Housetonic.

• 7:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that that's on that list.

• 7:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, I wanted to put some challenging words in here from Massachusetts geography. And I'm semi-confident that I'm going to say them all correctly from just hearing them enough.

• 7:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:59Corinne Vien?

  Um, this is also where they have the dinosaur footprints, which along the Connecticut River that goes through Massachusetts in western Massachusetts. You can go and walk on the rock bed that has actual dinosaur prints in the rock bed. I've talked about them so many times and said it's been on my bucket list and I still haven't gone there. And they just let you, like you can touch the dinosaur footprints.

• 8:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 8:19Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, it's a beautiful area. Like in the fall, people go leaf peeping here. It's very historic. It's just like so. Lovely. And most people I think live out there full time, but like people do like summer homes and A lot of people will try to like summer and do vacations out there, especially because the summer is so beautiful. A lot of tourists, but great, warm days, eating ice cream. Get to stay outside, picnics on the freshly cut grass. And that is the time period that we're in because it's Labor Day weekend. So people are resting under the shaded trees, just enjoying the last of the summer. I feel like we can put in Noah Khan's new Great Divide, end of August.

• 8:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The crickets.

• 8:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, just listen to the crickets, the first three seconds of that song, and that is what people are feeling. But then something happens, something that fifty years later, no one can explain. Something that changes their lives so completely that some of them won't even speak about it for decades. And when they finally do, they find out that they are not alone. A lot of other people saw the same thing. Multiple witnesses, multiple locations across dozens of miles, the very same night, the same object. In a county with no airbase, no military facility, no explanation, there was a UFO in the Berkshires.

• 9:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell, yeah. In another life, I'm a UFO chaser, like a storm chaser, but a UFO chaser and I The second is a report, I get in my van, which is like equipped, mix of Scooby Doo van and the Stranger Things van.

• 9:52Corinne Vien?

  We could have done that.

• 9:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm on route.

• 9:54Corinne Vien?

  Why are we doing this? I would have done that with you.

• 9:59Corinne Vien?

  It's too late for me now, unfortunately.

• 10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can make a, make your kids be storm chasers with us, UFO chasers.

• 10:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I homeschool them so that we can just chase UFOs all day.

• 10:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It reminds me of that family we talked about, the balloon boy hoax.

• 10:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On Crimes of, where

• 10:16Corinne Vien?

  Wife swap.

• 10:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They literally had their kids sleep in their, in their normal clothes in case they had like in the middle of the night pack up to go storm chasing.

• 10:23Corinne Vien?

  What a, what a different life.

• 10:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Corinne Vien?

  I'm still so curious. I think we said it on that episode, but I'm still so curious what those kids, like now, what their perspective is on my childhood. Because sometimes it can be like, oh my God, I had the most amazing childhood. And then other times, certain kids could be like, that was really disorienting.

• 10:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I will say that there was a lot of toxicity in that family. So.

• 10:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, hope it wasn't passed down.

• 10:46Corinne Vien?

  If you're curious what we're talking about, go check out the Crimes of episode about that hoax. Sorry, I wrote so much about Western Massachusetts.

• 10:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You, you were really feeling.

• 10:57Corinne Vien?

  The different things on my bucket list. We can skip over all this.

• 11:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wanna know what else is on your bucket list.

• 11:01Corinne Vien?

  Well, it was just, it was just about like going to some of the covered bridges and the different forests that haven't changed over hundreds of years. I was like listing off different towns that have really low population. It's fine, guys.

• 11:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wanna know.

• 11:13Corinne Vien?

  Top dinosaur prints.

• 11:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but what other places should I go?

• 11:16Corinne Vien?

  Well, I also wanna go to Amherst.

• 11:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:19Corinne Vien?

  Just because I feel like Amherst is said to have really beautiful leaf peeping.

• 11:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 11:24Corinne Vien?

  In the Amherst area, there are also, I didn't write them down, but there are a few really good thrift stores.

• 11:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, love.

• 11:32Corinne Vien?

  There's such good new vintage furniture stores out there, too.

• 11:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Antiquing is just another level.

• 11:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, I won't redo all of my things. The last sentence of my spiel was, anyway, this isn't about dinosaurs. So in nineteen sixty-nine, these towns, which were really like the Sheffield, Great Barrington, Stockbridge, Egremont, that one I probably said wrong, um, which have low populations, like in the, in the low thousands. These towns are even quieter at this time. The Vietnam War was raging, and two months earlier, in July, Neil Armstrong had walked on the moon, which is very timely, given the Artemis II trip that just happened. People think about space, right? And in nineteen sixty-nine, space was everywhere. It was like part of the cultural consciousness.

• 12:19Corinne Vien?

  Everyone was talking about it. Space wars, Star Trek had been on TV for three years. This is like when people are getting really super into these things. Apollo missions in every newspaper. Americans are thinking about this. So some people are like, could that be in the subconscious of those who witnessed what is to come? But I say absolutely not.

• 12:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or are the aliens like, why are they showing so much interest in our space?

• 12:43Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 12:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now we need to go check them out. That actually makes so much sense, cause like we're sending men to walk on the moon. And aliens are like, wait, wait, wait. We didn't know that they were doing this?

• 12:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They can't know what's up. We need to know what they know.

• 12:55Corinne Vien?

  Let's, let's go to Western Massachusetts and spy on them a little bit.

• 13:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And go look at the leaves.

• 13:01Corinne Vien?

  So this is the context that we're in. So it's September 1st, 1969, Labor Day, and something appeared in the sky over the Berkshires that no one could explain. And I will say upfront that there are no police reports from that night. There are no newspaper accounts. The local radio station, W S B S in Great Barrington, received a flood of calls from Pittsfield to Cannon, Connecticut. So basically, it was like this huge region in New England that they were getting flooded with calls. But at the time, it was just a normal thing to not save the tapes. So it was like the next night or like two nights later when they needed to like re-record over. All of those calls were erased.

• 13:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sad.

• 13:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that was the standard practice.

• 13:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know, someone's like great grandpa or like grandpa was recording all of the radio channels that were playing.

• 13:52Corinne Vien?

  See, someone's gotta do it.

• 13:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like a cassette tape in someone's basement.

• 13:56Corinne Vien?

  There's like some eight-year-old being like, I gotta get that Cyndi Lauper song. She's recording it. Oh, man, there's gotta be something. But this is also the era where people are like accidentally recording over their own like wedding videos and stuff. People were not record-keeping very well when it comes to just like the public. So with the reports that were happening at the time, these witness accounts were very powerful and very specific, but they also weren't widely published. So there was no public record about it until decades later. So even though certain people, like the radio host is hearing all this stuff and is saying like, oh, my gosh, these accounts are corroborating each other, something's happening, like I need to go. He actually went and went to the police station to be like, something's going on.

• 14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:40Corinne Vien?

  Nothing was publicly released. And so a lot of people who were calling had no clue that what they experienced and called in a panic to say like, what's going on, was also witnessed by a ton of other people.

• 14:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. They felt like they were alone.

• 14:54Corinne Vien?

  For decades, people felt very isolated in their experiences.

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 14:59Corinne Vien?

  And in Unsolved Mystery is one of the great things about the show is that they interview the witnesses. So you actually get to see these people who are now far into adulthood, talk about what happened.

• 15:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:10Corinne Vien?

  Themselves. Okay, so we're gonna start with the Reed family, who was the family that is kind of the most prominent voice in this story. They're the most vocal. So Nancy Reed, she was a single mother who'd moved her family from Queens, New York to Sheffield, Massachusetts. And she had recently acquired a restaurant called The Village Green. And this was a local eye picture, the square in Pretty Little Liars, which is also

• 15:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gilmore Girls.

• 15:34Corinne Vien?

  Gilmore Girls.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Star Wars.

• 15:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it gets reused in a bunch of different. But like, that is kind of the vibe that I feel because it's this gathering place right in the middle of town. And she moved there with her two sons, Thomas, who went by Tom, T H O M.

• 15:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  Interesting spelling. He was nine at the time. And then his younger brother, Matthew, who went by Matt.

• 15:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would say T H O M actually makes more sense because Thomas is spelt.

• 15:56Corinne Vien?

  T, yeah.

• 15:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Corinne Vien?

  Tom's grandmother was also living with the family at the time, so it was Nancy, her two sons, and her mother.

• 16:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 16:04Corinne Vien?

  On the evening of September first, Labor Day, Labor Day weekend, all four of them, Nancy, Tom, Matt, and their grandmother, were driving home from the restaurant after Tom's horse show. He like went, showed some horses, they were like, great, let's go eat. But it's kind of late at night, so I think it was like nine PM or something when they went to go, basically like, open up her restaurant to be able to have a bite before they head home and celebrate Tom's horse show.

• 16:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:29Corinne Vien?

  So they're heading south on Route seven, crossing the area near the old Sheffield Covered Bridge, which I included a historic photo for you.

• 16:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love a covered bridge.

• 16:38Corinne Vien?

  And for other people.

• 16:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So pretty.

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  If you're watching on YouTube. This is one of the oldest covered bridges in the United States. It's beautiful, kind of haunting, and it's crossing the Houstonic River. So Tom Reed is in the documentary as well. So his mom Nancy, but also Tom, they both speak about that night. And this is like fifty years later that they're both recalling what happened to them.

• 17:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Corinne Vien?

  He said he was in the backseat handing his brother a piece of candy. It was one of those like fireball, like jawbreaker type things. And his grandma is in the front seat with his mom, I think his mom was driving. His mom's definitely driving actually, because his grandma did not drive at that point. She hadn't been driving for years. His grandma whips around and and starts like reprimanding him like, hey, don't give that to your brother. He could choke. That's a dangerous piece of candy. He's too young. And as she's saying that, she notices lights rising above the Husutonic River that they had just passed, or like, or like going over the bridge as she's turned around saying this, and she's like sees over the water some lights. And the car starts to fall silent in a very strange way, and the pressure starts to change,

• 17:42Corinne Vien?

  and the air itself has shifted. They said it's almost like they're underwater in a way. And then there's this light ball glowing and hovering. It rose and fired these rods of light down below. And so everyone's staring except for Matt, the youngest in the car. Instead of staring at these lights, he looks out the window to the right and sees this rolling red orb.

• 18:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 18:06Corinne Vien?

  So then Nancy, the mom, she pulls over. Everyone is looking, and then the light through the trees along the road reveal a disc shaped object hovering. The UFO was so big, they were like, it has to have been at least a hundred yards wide.

• 18:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why is that such a common, like, I feel like that's how people often explain it, a hundred yards wide?

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  A hundred yards wide.

• 18:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like a football field.

• 18:27Corinne Vien?

  Giant, yeah. And that is when the light that had been beamed down onto the ground suddenly shifted and went to the car. So now they're like being blinded by this light.

• 18:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, I see you seeing us.

• 18:39Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. Tom describes it as am, like the color amber being on both sides of the road, and it didn't feel like it was a spotlight. It felt like light was just everywhere.

• 18:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, isn't there like a whole theory that like, I don't know if I made this up or I read it somewhere, that they're using light as an energy source?

• 18:55Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, I do remember that. Was that you or was that?

• 18:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 18:59Corinne Vien?

  We regurgitate so many things we hear online.

• 19:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I'm like, am I brilliant and smart? Or is that like a stupid thing that I made up? I don't know.

• 19:07Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so this is what's happening. There's like, it feels like there's not a spotlight. It's just literally light everywhere. It's like they're in this like white room, then a gap in memory.

• 19:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ah, all of them?

• 19:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. The next thing he remembers is being inside of something.

• 19:22Corinne Vien?

  It's vast. It's like a hangar-like space, like if you think of like a airport, like airplane hangar. And he described the interior as enormous, being bigger than a football field. Then there's this hallway, which is circular, and it's configured in this sort of like Y shape. Kind of hard to picture. There's fluorescent looking lighting everywhere. And the room that had the curved wall also had technology on like anything he'd ever seen before or again. So he has no idea like what these machines or like things were that he was witnessing. So he sees that and then poof, he's back in the car. The light is gone. The frogs and crickets erupt with life. Like hi- his mom was in the Unsolved Mysteries episode.

• 20:04Corinne Vien?

  And she was saying something about like how crazy it was to just go from like complete silence to just like all the bugs. Suddenly it was like they were being held back from making any noise. We're just like, blah.

• 20:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's also like such a question that I have about alien encounters. Is it that they like all the critters and creatures and animals and like wind and birds are being like prevented from making noise? Or is the presence of this thing or like whatever energy they're using, putting you into like a bubble where there's the absence of sound?

• 20:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And is it just like where the crickets always happening? It was just your perception too, from going from hearing nothing and being in a vacuum.

• 20:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 20:40Corinne Vien?

  To hearing them again.

• 20:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:42Corinne Vien?

  It can be very disorienting. And so basically like all of them had had this lost time. Tom is the only one that remembers anything from this lost time. They're back in the car, but oh, I didn't write this down, so I'm gonna go off my memory. They're back in the car. Three hours of time had passed. When they had

• 21:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Three hours.

• 21:02Corinne Vien?

  First seen the lights, they were going over the covered bridge or in the covered bridge.

• 21:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:07Corinne Vien?

  And then when they came to, they were in front of the drugstore. So completely different location and

• 21:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How far is that from the bridge?

• 21:14Corinne Vien?

  God, I don't know.

• 21:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably not far.

• 21:16Corinne Vien?

  Probably not far.

• 21:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But still, they had moved locations.

• 21:18Corinne Vien?

  They'd moved locations and the grandmother was in the driver's seat and Nancy was in the passenger seat.

• 21:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that part gave me chills. That's why you were like grandma hasn't driven and oh my god.

• 21:28Corinne Vien?

  And so that's when they were like, oh my god, like you can't even make up an excuse for like Like why no one remembers anything like this is clearly wrong. Oh, I have huge goosebumps right now.

• 21:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, they really need a consistency coordinator on their ship.

• 21:42Corinne Vien?

  And they do, like pay attention to the details, man.

• 21:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Write, write down who's in what seat. Like that is the simplest thing you could have done.

• 21:49Corinne Vien?

  You drop them wherever, but like at least put them back in the right seats.

• 21:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They need to keep playing some more memory games.

• 21:55Corinne Vien?

  They do. Okay, but here's what's interesting. This actually wasn't the first encounter for the Reed family.

• 22:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, how do I become adopted by the Reed family?

• 22:05Corinne Vien?

  So according to the family's account, either 1966 or 1967, so like three or four years prior, the boys, the two boys reported experiencing doors in the house slamming. And then after hearing that, they woke up in the driveway and then lost time again and then found themselves back inside. So they were like losing time and like glitching in this like weird situation that they told their parents about, but it was.

• 22:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They both woke up in the driveway.

• 22:31Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Momentarily and then we're back inside.

• 22:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So that was a weird thing that happened to these kids. Then they're with their mom and grandma, having another thing like this happen in 1969.

• 22:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 22:43Corinne Vien?

  So this one was the most dramatic and unfortunately, a lot of people don't believe children when they experience something like this. But like this time, there were two adults who could corroborate what happened.

• 22:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:53Corinne Vien?

  Later on, Tom Reed agreed to take a polygraph examination about his account and he passed, which it's worth saying that polygraph tests have very little validity to them. They're not admissible in court.

• 23:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not anymore.

• 23:07Corinne Vien?

  Not anymore. But his truthfulness rated at like 99.1% or something like that.

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• 23:19Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 23:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 24:59Corinne Vien?

  So same day, September 1st, 1969, a few miles away from the Sheffield Covered Bridge, where Tom's family is experiencing this, in Great Barrington, there is a boy named Tom Warner, and we're gonna call him Tommy. Another Tom. Because there's Tom and Tom. So this one's Tommy. So Tommy is visiting a friend's house, and he goes over and plays at his friend's house all the time. He's around 10 years old, and he was inside coloring, I think he was coloring with his friend's older sister, which I think it was like normal for him to just like be in the house and kind of hang out with whatever kid was around. So he's inside coloring, when suddenly he just kind of gets the information, like a voice in his head telling him that he needs to go home. He described a voice as saying- Tommy, time to go home.

• 25:43Corinne Vien?

  Literally, he said, you have to go home now is like the direct message that was put in his head. So he told his friend's older sister Debbie that he thought like maybe God was calling him through the clouds. And he was kind of panicked and he was uncertain because he'd never experienced anything like that, but he was spooked enough that he was like, I gotta go. He runs out of the house. Debbie's like, this is weird. So she watches him through the window as he's running out through the yard. The moment he gets outside, all sound cuts out. It's complete silence. He said it felt like he was running, but he wasn't moving.

• 26:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why do I feel like this is like the voice was making him go outside to abduct him?

• 26:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So we don't trust the in- inside voice.

• 26:24Corinne Vien?

  Right. So he feels like he's Scooby Doo running, like he's so panicked. He like can't even get anywhere. That's his feeling. Debbie is also interviewed in Unsolved Mysteries. She's like, no, he didn't just feel that way. He literally wasn't moving. He was running in place and didn't move an inch forward. She said it happened for minutes. She was inside watching in shock for minutes, watching him just run in place, confused about what was going on. And then

• 26:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My gosh.

• 26:50Corinne Vien?

  Tommy looks up. He said his hands jerked back, which like when he was describing it, it was kind of like in the weapons movie where the kids like all run with their hands behind them. And it got the air sucked out of him, not knocked out of him, like sucked out of him. Then there was a beam of light that came down on him and Debbie's still watching, right? There's a witness inside. She's watching from the safety of the window, where I guess like the, the perceived safety. And she says that she just saw in an instant Tommy disappear. So he went from running in place to just vanish.

• 27:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. So that negates my question of is this happening astrally? Like, no, he's physically being taken.

• 27:30Corinne Vien?

  Physically disappearing.

• 27:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Abducted.

• 27:32Corinne Vien?

  Then a few minutes later, he's back on the lawn. He's looking up at the sky. He's just like laying there as this object moves away from him. He remembers being inside of this craft. It had a circular, so it's going to be very similar to Tom Reed's testimony about what he saw. Had a circular silvery bronze interior. And he remembers actually encountering a female alien who communicated with him telepathically. He said he also heard children screaming, like in fear, screaming.

• 28:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I mean, if this spacecraft is abducting so many people all at one time.

• 28:06Corinne Vien?

  It seems like it's all children too, so far, because we have Tom and Tommy. And then he said that he saw another child. So he's hearing a bunch of kids screaming. He's looking around this like circular curved ship. And he actually lays eyes on a little girl who doesn't see him. But she's crouched in the corner and she looks terrified.

• 28:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh. Oh, she's crouched in the corner?

• 28:27Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 28:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm looking up when Travis Walton UFO incident happened. Nineteen seventy five. Because it does sound really similar to like the way that these witnesses are like victims are describing their experience.

• 28:39Corinne Vien?

  Right. I know. It's so strange.

• 28:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm looking for patterns.

• 28:42Corinne Vien?

  I mean, there are plenty.

• 28:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:44Corinne Vien?

  And then sometimes when there aren't, it's like, well, the excuse is, is there one alien race coming to visit us? Or could it be like, we have no idea.

• 28:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or are they doing different studies? They're doing different studies.

• 28:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So Tom remembers seeing this girl. And he wouldn't know who this girl was for decades. But one day he will find out. Little teaser. Tom sees this in the ship and then boom, he's back on the ground. He's laying there looking up as the ship is about to take off. There's a beam still on him before the ship takes off. So he's laying there looking up at this spacecraft. A beam is on him. His brother is now here coming to collect him. I think they must have been like neighbors or something.

• 29:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Corinne Vien?

  And he's yelling at him, yelling at him to run. But Tommy can't.

• 29:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're all seeing this.

• 29:26Corinne Vien?

  They're all seeing it. Tommy cannot get up and run because the beam has paralyzed him. He's completely still. He can't do literally anything while the beam is on him. And just like a voice had told him to go outside. That same voice comes and says, hold on, I'll be done in a minute.

• 29:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my god, no, I hate that so much.

• 29:45Corinne Vien?

  Trials again. Then a minute later, the beam in the ship vanish and Tommy gets, regains control of his limbs.

• 29:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Done with what?

• 29:54Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. I'll be done in a minute.

• 29:59Corinne Vien?

  Gross.

• 29:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:00Corinne Vien?

  Also, on the evening of September 1st, 1969, 14-year-old Melanie Kirchdorfer was at Lake Mansfield in Great Barrington with her parents and younger sister. And they'd gone to go get ice cream at Dairy Queen. Apparently, I think they were saying like they didn't want to go get ice cream or something like the kids like didn't want to go, but like maybe were forced. I don't know, whatever. You can't.

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, fair, sometimes as a parent, you're like using the kids as a reason to go get ice cream. And it's like, no, I want to get the ice cream.

• 30:28Corinne Vien?

  Also, like you are being so testy at home. We're leaving this house. Even if you say no, we're still going out.

• 30:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ice cream.

• 30:35Corinne Vien?

  We gotta change our setting. So yeah, they'd gone to go get ice cream at the Dairy Queen. It's otherwise an ordinary evening for them. As her father pulls the car into the lake's parking area for them to just like sit and eat their ice cream, there is a blinding light that engulfs them. Her dad says, holy shit, we've got to chase this.

• 30:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 30:58Corinne Vien?

  And everyone in the car begins to panic and Melanie is like, I was begging my father not to chase it. Like, please, please don't chase this thing. I'm so scared. They're all freaking out, except for her dad, who's like in the moment, thinking this is the coolest thing ever.

• 31:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just kind of get it, yeah. He's welcome to our team.

• 31:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he ignores his whole family's pleading with him to stop. And he instead drives towards it. Her sister remembered nothing about what happened next, but Melanie remembers levitating and then suddenly being on a ship. She recalls being laid out flat inside of this craft. She was in a room with other children and then one by one, the children began to disappear. And I only have the information that was shared in a few different articles that I looked at, plus the watching Unsolved Mysteries episode. So I don't know what she means when she says disappeared, like if they just like poofed or if they were being collected by aliens and brought into

• 31:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 31:54Corinne Vien?

  another room for something. But she says she witnessed this and then she woke up alone by the lake. Her family was gone, no evidence of them being anywhere. And she had to walk in the dark of night all the way home.

• 32:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, here's my question, was there another child who has memory of being by that lake? And then like vanishing and then they showed up like where Melanie's family was like.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 32:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're like.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  They put them back wrong.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a blonde girl, blonde haired girl with blue eyes.

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but wait, wow, you got that right.

• 32:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did I?

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think you're New England, I don't know.

• 32:27Corinne Vien?

  And white people, man.

• 32:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 32:29Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, so Melanie had no reason to fabricate any of this, right? And she's very explicit in the documentary saying she does not think that this was a fun or positive experience. This wasn't like, oh, my God, how cool, I experienced this crazy thing. Her parents and her sister remember nothing.

• 32:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They don't even remember like coming to and their daughter's gone?

• 32:49Corinne Vien?

  Nope, she can't stop talking about what happened because she's traumatized, right?

• 32:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:53Corinne Vien?

  Her family's response to this, to helping their child who is experiencing extreme fear, is to be so annoyed that they lock her into the basement at one point and say like, if you don't stop talking about this, like you're not coming out. And they lock her in the basement. So double trauma.

• 33:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Parenting.

• 33:10Corinne Vien?

  Woo, so all to say, some families experienced this with their kids. Some families believed their kids, some families did not believe their kids. Some punished them for quote unquote lying. But the common thread is basically, don't talk about what happened. Because this is so creepy and so scary and so unexplainable that we're terrified. And if you talk about it, we don't know what will happen, so just be quiet.

• 33:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And sometimes, especially like this family who if they have no memory, or maybe they have like an inkling of a memory, but it's so like implausible or they're so incapable of processing it that they're like, it's just better to not talk about it. I'm thinking about you.

• 33:51Corinne Vien?

  Well, I'm also thinking about me, but I'm specifically instead of probably things you're thinking about me before. I'm thinking about when I saw the UFO and I was scared to even like text my family. Cause I was like, what if they know that I'm speaking about them and then they come for me?

• 34:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Corinne Vien?

  No, it's my 2% Irish. I bottle everything up.

• 34:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then the gases inside expand and expand.

• 34:12Corinne Vien?

  And then Noah Khan drops a new album and then.

• 34:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You leak.

• 34:15Corinne Vien?

  I leak. And I listen to it until I become a 1% top listener. And then I'm healed.

• 34:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's how that works. Noah Khan is your medicine.

• 34:24Corinne Vien?

  Literally. Ah, sad music. Okay, so Melanie, she does not talk about it again for years. She's got plenty of reason not to.

• 34:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 34:33Corinne Vien?

  But her body is literally like wearing the score of what happens. She, the second she basically returns, her health takes a turn. She develops chronic sinus problems, persistent ringing in her ears. She has vision issues that began that very night. And she also says that, and this is so interesting because it reminds me so much of the case that you covered where those three girls or women went out for one of their birthdays and then got abducted. She involuntarily messes with electronic equipment, like electronics around her will not function. So she's got health problems and she's affecting electronics, which is.

• 35:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One of the three women had that same problem, but it was interesting because they all each had different. I think it was like Louise Smith and I'm blanking on the other names, but yeah, they all had different things, which makes you wonder like, were they experimenting different things on each person?

• 35:26Corinne Vien?

  People, probably.

• 35:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crazy.

• 35:29Corinne Vien?

  And they have to be, because how, how else is this happening? So this is happening in 1969, September 1st, 1969. All of this happens in this one day period.

• 35:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 35:38Corinne Vien?

  It is not until 2018, when Netflix producers arrived in the Berkshires to begin filming what would become this Unsolved Mysteries reboot. And Melanie and Tom Warner, Tommy. Meet for the first time at the grocery store. They're aware that they're both on the show. They start to talk about their experiences. I think they're like chatting and communicating over Facebook after they meet. Two people who did not know each other prior, who'd lived decades within miles of each other. Melanie does not remember seeing Tom, Tommy, inside the craft. But Tommy remembers seeing her.

• 36:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is the girl.

• 36:16Corinne Vien?

  As soon as he saw her, that this was the girl that was crouched in the corner terrified. He described the expression to her on her face of like what he saw.

• 36:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:25Corinne Vien?

  And she was like, oh, my God, that totally matches exactly what I remember of like where I was, what I was feeling, everything.

• 36:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's just also so scary that both of them describe seeing so many other kids or hearing so many other kids screaming. Cause it's like the just number of people who are living today that don't even know or have like repressed memories that they were abducted.

• 36:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. It's like one of my friends, which actually maybe she emailed us about this and I probably read it. But one of our friends, whose name I won't say, just in case we haven't. Out of her for, for a few years, she was like telling me about these really creepy dreams that she was having. And then she started to be like, wait, are these dreams or am I getting abducted? Cause they started to really match some like public abduction cases that were being told.

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is she a psychic and like tapping into other people's experiences and consciousness?

• 37:14Corinne Vien?

  But she was like basically seeing grays like that.

• 37:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ugh.

• 37:17Corinne Vien?

  Typical category of alien.

• 37:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am curious about this though, because like obviously like publicly, people aren't talking about this. But people must have been talking about it enough for the Unsolved Mysteries producers to know about it, to go there and record and film.

• 37:31Corinne Vien?

  So Tom Reed.

• 37:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  He was pretty vocal about the experience.

• 37:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it started with his experience.

• 37:38Corinne Vien?

  So I think he's the one that got in communication with Unsolved Mysteries. And that's when they came and started to investigate, asking around if anyone had experienced anything. So he was the one who'd experienced glitches, like weirdness with his boat before, had this thing happen. And then they continued, both boys continued to have weird alien encounters throughout their life.

• 37:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They were marked.

• 37:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So he was more vocal. Everyone else was like, zzz.

• 38:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 38:02Corinne Vien?

  That's how Unsolved Mysteries, uh.

• 38:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Found it.

• 38:04Corinne Vien?

  Found it. Okay. Also in the documentary, I keep calling it a documentary. It's a docu-series.

• 38:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 38:10Corinne Vien?

  Also in the episode. Was Jane Green and she is kind of like a standalone in this episode because she so far everyone who's being interviewed is either a child who's grown up or experienced something with a child who was abducted.

• 38:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 38:25Corinne Vien?

  But Jane Green was an adult when she experienced what she experienced.

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 38:29Corinne Vien?

  And she grew up in Great Barrington. Her family founded the first Rexel drugstore in the Northeast. She was a pillar of the community, very respected. Her family's word and their name carried a lot of weight.

• 38:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 38:42Corinne Vien?

  On September first, nineteen sixty nine, Jane was driving with a friend along Route seven from Stockbridge towards Great Barrington. It's starting to get dark. Ahead of them on the horizon, a bunch of bright lights. And they are assuming that the lights are from police cars. They're like, oh no, there's been an accident. They're like slowing down. They pull over. Another car pulls over too. The lights are getting really bright, like hard to see. And so Jane gets out of the car and looks up. And when she looks up, she realizes that above them is this massive object floating right in front of them. So bright, but there's no sound, no windows, no engine, nothing that she could see or hear. But it's so massive that she said she literally couldn't see where it ended to the right or left when she looked up. It was like took up the whole sky.

• 39:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there are other cars pulled over by her.

• 39:29Corinne Vien?

  There's one more car that was pulled over.

• 39:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Are there kids in that car?

• 39:32Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, probably.

• 39:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Corinne Vien?

  She probably witnessed a.

• 39:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  An abduction, yeah.

• 39:37Corinne Vien?

  She said she watched the object kind of just like hang there and then within a couple of seconds, it just darted up into the sky and across the mountains, like in a matter of a couple of seconds, gone in an instant. And she told, I love that she was telling the interviewers, she was like, I will never forget this. Like I can have Alzheimer's, I will not forget this.

• 39:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like that's how.

• 39:57Corinne Vien?

  Yes, it is.

• 39:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ingrained in her mind.

• 40:00Corinne Vien?

  This is the one thing that will be forever stained into her memory.

• 40:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 40:04Corinne Vien?

  So Jane Green, she said that she was very relieved to learn that others had seen the same things as she did because for years she feared no one would believe her. So she didn't really tell anyone. She said that when the Navy actually began declassifying UFO footage in like 2010s, I think we talked about it when it happened on our podcast. That is when she was like, oh, my gosh, I feel more validated if if the US Navy is saying that this happened, like, maybe people won't think that I am batshit crazy if I say something. So, yeah, she hadn't said anything for like 50 years.

• 40:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's crazy.

• 40:37Corinne Vien?

  Okay, and then.

• 40:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would have gotten out of my car and like gone to the car behind me and been like, what the hell was that?

• 40:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, hello, are you okay? No one's in the car because they've all.

• 40:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they've all been abducted? Or they're all like, kind of like Tommy, who was just like running in place, but their eyes are just open.

• 40:53Corinne Vien?

  Ew.

• 40:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Frozen.

• 40:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I hate what happened to Tommy. Tommy's is the worst because it's like other people.

• 40:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See it.

• 40:59Corinne Vien?

  Don't have the gap in memory, like actually saw what happened.

• 41:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So scary.

• 41:03Corinne Vien?

  Insight into what the abduction actually was like.

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• 42:08Corinne Vien?

  And then the frustrating thing about the case, which I already mentioned, which was basically that there was a volume of reports that night that was so significant, all into the radio station, WSBS flooded with calls. David Icy, Izzy, I probably am saying that incorrectly.

• 42:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  David Icy, is he the radio station host? Cause that's a radio station name. David Icy.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For WS.

• 42:32Corinne Vien?

  ZS.

• 42:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:33Corinne Vien?

  Or BS or whatever. I think he was, and he was also the general manager there. So people were calling in, but they weren't saying like, hey, we're seeing a UFO.

• 42:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 42:41Corinne Vien?

  They didn't frame it that way. They were like, hey, it's something bizarre is happening and we don't know what's going on, but there's something in the sky. There's some sort of like airplane or like something weird is happening.

• 42:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  And calls are coming from across the region, like all the way down Connecticut, Massachusetts, like all over. And yet there is nothing in the newspaper. So Gary Leville, I'm butchering the last names. I'm not butchering the Massachusetts pronunciation of these towns, I don't think. He's a Berkshire historian who looked into the case later. And he was like, okay, well, why are there zero newspaper reports about this UFO from September 1969? And then there's just like the talk about how many reports came through the radio station, but not actually evidence of the calls.

• 43:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 43:26Corinne Vien?

  So he tracked down the former editor who told him that, yeah, he'd heard about the sightings, but he thought that it was a hoax. So he just didn't run the story. Simple as that. That's why there's nothing.

• 43:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which I appreciate that, you know, journalism being like, let's not spread false information.

• 43:40Corinne Vien?

  Right, this is a rumor.

• 43:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But even today, like there's so many people who don't believe in aliens, even though the government is declassifying things and like saying, yes, there are unidentified flying objects or UIP, whatever they called like.

• 43:53Corinne Vien?

  UIP, aerial phenomena, unidentified aerial phenomena, UIP.

• 43:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are plenty of people who are like, haha, yeah, right.

• 44:00Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 44:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Still today.

• 44:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but so, yes, that's why there's no newspaper report. We know the radio station had just wiped over, like rerecorded over all of the tapes, which was standard procedure. There's no like nefarious cover up happening here. But the radio station, the guy did go to the police because he was like, I'm getting so many calls that there's something strange happening. And the police, a Sheffield officer, was actually dispatched to go look for the object. But presumably didn't find anything, which is why there's no like official.

• 44:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Report.

• 44:32Corinne Vien?

  Report.

• 44:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:33Corinne Vien?

  So that is why there's nothing, but it's just a boatload of witnesses, all who had no idea anyone else was experiencing anything. With no physical evidence to prove what happened to them. We do know that the military was asked and confirmed that there was no aircraft belonging to them in this area that weekend.

• 44:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, that's ruled out.

• 44:54Corinne Vien?

  That's ruled out. This is a supposedly, the military also confirmed that the radar equipment had picked up some strange activity in the area.

• 45:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 45:04Corinne Vien?

  So something was in the sky. But then those records disappeared. So that one could be like a rumor.

• 45:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Corinne Vien?

  Whatever. So for decades, this incident existed in a way that a lot of UFO stories too. Known locally, believed privately, talked about in hushed voices, or just never talked about at all. But then in 2015, something extraordinary happened. The Great Barrington Historical Society voted on whether or not to recognize September 1st, 1969 as historically significant.

• 45:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, they should.

• 45:36Corinne Vien?

  Yes, the vote was six to three, so they said yes.

• 45:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let me talk to those three.

• 45:41Corinne Vien?

  Right?

• 45:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let me show you, let me show you something. It's my fist.

• 45:44Corinne Vien?

  I'm gonna pick you up before I put you down again. So I think this came basically from like the Reed family, like I was saying, Tom Reed has been vocal over the years. While a lot of other people never spoke about it. The incident was starting to become a little bit more mainstream, just because of his work with, basically like discussing UFO incidents and what happened that day.

• 46:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 46:03Corinne Vien?

  The story of the Reed family was formally inducted into the society's archives and it was treated as a factual piece of. The region's history and it made front page news in the Boston Globe.

• 46:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell, yeah.

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  Around the same time, a group of witnesses pooled money to erect a monument. A 5,000 pound granite slab on the banks of the Houston River in Sheffield, near where the Reed family car had stopped that night.

• 46:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What does it look like? What's the monument?

• 46:30Corinne Vien?

  It's like a.

• 46:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, just like a plaque that says what happened?

• 46:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 46:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's not like a UFO.

• 46:36Corinne Vien?

  No, the plaque is signed by Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker. At the time, he's not governor anymore.

• 46:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so funny. Like, I think about the random ass things that mayors have to do.

• 46:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sign a plaque.

• 46:47Corinne Vien?

  Sign a plaque about an alien abduction happening on a covered bridge in Western Massachusetts. He later said through a spokesperson that his signature had been affixed in error after persistent requests from Tom Reed's camp. So he's going back on it, being like, no, I didn't sign that.

• 47:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They forged it?

• 47:02Corinne Vien?

  Apparently. But everyone's like, okay, who cares? Whatever.

• 47:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's legit.

• 47:07Corinne Vien?

  2019, the town determined that the monument had been placed on town property without proper authorization and they removed it.

• 47:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so petty.

• 47:16Corinne Vien?

  And it's also like, is that what you want to spend your time and money on?

• 47:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  5,000 pounds?

• 47:20Corinne Vien?

  Like, if anything, is this not going to attract more tourists to come and give your small local businesses? Drink your coffee, eat your sandwiches, buy your postcards because they're coming to see this plaque? Like, leave it.

• 47:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where's the plaque now? Where do you move a 5,000 pound monument?

• 47:36Corinne Vien?

  That's true. Where is it?

• 47:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the basement of City Hall?

• 47:39Corinne Vien?

  Somewhere. It's in Charlie Baker's basement. The Great Barrington Historical Society also quietly walked back their support of what happened.

• 47:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why?

• 47:49Corinne Vien?

  They said they had been a bit too focused on one individual, which people are thinking is in reference to Tom Reed.

• 47:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is a smear campaign.

• 47:57Corinne Vien?

  Literally, like, who is, are the aliens buying you off? Like, what is happening here? So yeah, they got all this recognition that what they experienced was real and corroborated and part of local history. And then like within a couple of years, they're like,

• 48:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, walk it back.

• 48:11Corinne Vien?

  Yep. But for those who experienced it, it was very real and worth talking about.

• 48:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:16Corinne Vien?

  Tom Reed has dedicated a significant portion of his adult life to documenting, advocating for and fighting to legitimize his family's experiences.

• 48:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:25Corinne Vien?

  He founded a nonprofit. He pushed for the monument. He appeared on Ancient Aliens, Alien Mysteries, which are Discovery Channel shows, and then the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. Now, of course, there are plenty of people out there who are like, this is a hoax.

• 48:43Corinne Vien?

  That's all we have to say to that. It's like, how is it a hoax? How can you make people who've never talked about it for decades, who don't even know each other?

• 48:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just like, don't even want to give that type of person the time of day. Like, you're not worth, you're not worthy of my time.

• 48:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, well, I feel the same way. Look at what I wrote.

• 48:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Blah, blah, blah.

• 48:59Corinne Vien?

  Blah, blah, blah. I just bolted it. I was like, there's skeptics, blah, blah, blah. We don't need to go into that. What we do know is that there are things that happened in the Berkshires that cannot be explained. We can't tell you what it is or why, but we can tell you that whatever happened on September 1st, 1969, had a real cost to the human beings involved.

• 49:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 49:22Corinne Vien?

  Melanie Kircher, her, was locked in a basement by her family. She had to deal with decades of physical consequences and medical pain from that night.

• 49:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  Nancy Reed, Tom's mother, was openly mocked, humiliated, tormented in her restaurant in front of her children. There was actually a point where someone came in and was like, oh, do you want to see something out of this world? And like, exposed their penis to her. Like, disgusting. And then her kids were starting to be experiencing some of the same Oh, that's so sad. And so she was like, this town isn't for us anymore. So it actually got to the point where she sold the diner and they left town because she was like, I don't want to be like bullied and mocked. And it's like one thing for me to be, but like for my kids to be too. So, yeah, they left.

• 50:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People suck.

• 50:06Corinne Vien?

  They do. And then her, they left, but her kids still had alien encounters throughout their lives.

• 50:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 50:13Corinne Vien?

  Tommy Warner dealt with not being believed and he has always loved art. You know, he was inside before the abduction coloring.

• 50:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Corinne Vien?

  And he turned to art and basically like started to paint what he was experiencing and paint what he saw to make him feel better. And he did paint, which you can see in the YouTube episode. A depiction of him just getting like beamed up by a UFO, painted what he saw. And that also appears in the Unsolved Mysteries episode. Jane Green hid her experience for years until the US Navy admitted to seeing strange UFOs. She felt very uncomfortable with the idea of the extreme ridicule that comes with experiencing something unidentified. Like I don't, I don't even know what to call it.

• 50:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  Something unknown.

• 50:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 50:59Corinne Vien?

  And all of these people are not people who are seeking fame. These are not people who are trying to create some giant hoax together. These are people who spent decades in silence because they didn't want any attention at all, but they all have one thing in common. On September first, nineteen sixty-nine, in western Massachusetts, they encountered something non-human. They all saw a UFO in the Berkshires.

• 51:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's countless of people, numbers of people who, who were also potentially abducted that have not come forward with their stories or don't remember being abducted.

• 51:31Corinne Vien?

  Plus, there's people who just were calling into the radio station being like, I think there's something strange happening, that they didn't have a, a story like this. But there was something, a strange flash in the sky or something that was worthy of reporting.

• 51:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if aliens have like a quota that every month they're supposed to fill and

• 51:49Corinne Vien?

  For abductions?

• 51:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess it was September first, though. But they were like, shoot, August was really bad. We gotta start September. Like their like manager came down and had like a stern talking to them.

• 51:58Corinne Vien?

  You're never gonna make it by the end of Q four if you don't get this.

• 52:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you, you have to do a certain amount of billable hours.

• 52:04Corinne Vien?

  Geez.

• 52:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're just trying to do their job. On Labor Day weekend, we're supposed to relax. Damn.

• 52:11Corinne Vien?

  Isn't that wild? I was like, I don't even remember watching this episode before and I definitely binged the whole series.

• 52:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, when it came out?

• 52:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 52:17Corinne Vien?

  And I started second guessing myself, like, did we cover this before? But I don't remember any of that.

• 52:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it is interesting how like with all the cases we have covered of abductions and stuff like there's so many similarities.

• 52:30Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. So many. It cannot be explained away to the skeptics. Blah, blah, blah.

• 52:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Meat fist.

• 52:39Corinne Vien?

  Whoa. The threat has been escalated.

• 52:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a listener's story from our buddy Bobby and he's from Ohio.

• 52:48Corinne Vien?

  Nice.

• 52:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, my name is Bobby. I'm from Ohio.

• 52:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Although I'm often skeptical, I definitely believe in the supernatural and paranormal. I'm new to listening to podcasts, but instantly fell in love with yours. I love the mix of the known supernatural and the viewer write in. So here's my own experience. I have three stories of my own and another one that happened in the same home where I had my biggest experience, but I'll save the best for last. And there's a couple of stories, but like one is a UFO. My first ever memory was seeing something paranormal, which was when I was a kid, somewhere around the fifth or sixth grade. I was in my bedroom that I shared with my brother. It was nighttime and I saw this strange green light in my window. Whatever it was maintained the same shape and size, unlike headlights that can change as they dance through your window across your house.

• 53:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My bedroom was situated on the corner of the house and I watched this oddly shaped light slide past my window and around the side of my house and I never saw it again. I like that Bobby says it's paranormal.

• 53:47Corinne Vien?

  It's something unexplained.

• 53:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A UFO, which might explain the next story. Maybe Bobby was being watched too.

• 53:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I just thought that these were like, oh, I just watched the lights go by the window. It's like, no, you were watching them leave after you probably lost some time and were abducted. That was your memory of getting returned.

• 54:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm. When I was about 22, I became friends with this guy at work and we got to talking. And he said that there had been some weird happenings near his home and he thoroughly believed it was aliens and it happened multiple times. I still, to this day, do not know what I witnessed the day he invited me to his house. This guy lived pretty much in the middle of nowhere. You can barely see neighbors and the front of his house was a decent sized cornfield. That's a perfect place for alien objections. His house is set at the back of a longer than average gravel driveway. And that night, we got some takeout and sat and waited in his driveway for whatever he had been seeing. A few hours went by and I finally got to witness what he had been talking about.

• 54:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Out of nowhere, this bright white ball of light came zooming in. And it's hard to tell what size it was as it came in the air, but probably around the size of a small motorcycle. As it came in, it came to a dead stop and hovered over the cornfield, right above the tree line. This was nothing like a typical plane or helicopter. And as it moved, it hovered and it made zero sound. It didn't stay long, it just hovered in place for probably less than a minute, then took off extremely fast in a diagonal pattern where it got higher in the sky and got further away. Again, still making zero sound. We never really talked about it after that night and I still don't know what to make of it. But for sure, it's in my book of paranormal experiences.

• 55:31Corinne Vien?

  Um, yeah.

• 55:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, it just makes me think of, what's the Matthew McConaughey space movie?

• 55:36Corinne Vien?

  Interstellar?

• 55:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interstellar. Like, it makes me think of how they were running out of crops, like the crops were all dying.

• 55:42Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like, are the aliens coming to get the seeds of the corn?

• 55:47Corinne Vien?

  Is that why they were sent out?

• 55:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm pretty sure they were like going out to find something about, in order to like save Earth. Because all of the crops were dying.

• 55:55Corinne Vien?

  I think Matt, wasn't it the Matt Damon? I think Matt's movie?

• 56:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Martian?

• 56:01Corinne Vien?

  The Martian. Cause he was like a plant expert going to see if they could.

• 56:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but he got stuck on Mars.

• 56:07Corinne Vien?

  Grow things. Oh, he just happened to.

• 56:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He got left behind.

• 56:11Corinne Vien?

  Knowledge of horticulture.

• 56:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To survive.

• 56:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I rewatched that recently because it's the same guy who did Project Hail Mary. And I loved Project Hail Mary so much that I watched.

• 56:22Corinne Vien?

  Apparently Adam Sandler has a movie that is very similar to Project Hail Mary.

• 56:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Really?

• 56:28Corinne Vien?

  That came out a few years ago. It's like basically the same premise.

• 56:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh. Never watched that Adam Sandler alien movie.

• 56:34Corinne Vien?

  Also is a spaceman. And you can learn about that.

• 56:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spaceman.

• 56:39Corinne Vien?

  Learn about it by watching the movie.

• 56:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can learn about Adam Sandler's journey to space. Very real, not fictional.

• 56:46Corinne Vien?

  And his encounter with a spider-like alien.

• 56:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, the next two stories happened on the same property. One is a personal encounter from me and my friend, and the other was shared with me. So my friend had always felt that her property was haunted. The main point of attraction was a really old red rusted pickup truck that was abandoned on her property from previous owners.

• 57:07Corinne Vien?

  Immediately, I think of Charlie's truck in Twilight.

• 57:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I think of, um, House of Wax. The guy who's like dumping deer carcasses.

• 57:17Corinne Vien?

  Nice. Two, two different, uh, associations, for associations.

• 57:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep. So on this particular night, she had a large group of friends over to use her bonfire and camp. She had an extremely long driveway, which doubled as a runway because her dad was a private pilot, casual. At the end of the runway on the left side was thick woods with a clearing. We set up a bonfire over there, an ample room for tents. But on the other side of the runway was this old abandoned red rusted truck. Before it got dark, we were all warned to visit the truck at our own risk.

• 57:47Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 57:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because whatever is attached to the truck does not like to be bothered.

• 57:51Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 57:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, earlier in the day, I was helping my friend set up for our bonfire and camping. When her dog came running out of the woods, holding a skull in its mouth. We, we looked at it and it looked to belong to a sheep, which already freaked us out. So it's night and a group of us still wanted to go explore the truck. So we did. We didn't really do anything besides going near it and looking in the windows. And honestly, we were all like, it's just a truck, nothing weird. But then it got darker. It was a warm summer night. We had a large bonfire going and we had a car running to play music. When out of nowhere, that car just shut off. The owner and I walked around to the driver's side to investigate, and that's when I noticed the drastic temperature change.

• 58:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Outside, it was around 75 degrees, but as soon as you walked over to the car, it was significantly colder, like 10 to 15 degrees colder.

• 58:40Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, ooh, that's so creepy.

• 58:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were able to get the car started back up, no problem. And shortly after that, we heard a noise coming from the runway. A few people and I went to go investigate and at the end of the runway, like I said, was this thick forest. But coming from the forest, heading up towards the main road were two horses. Except they didn't look normal. They were massive and they were both solid black in a way that seemed darker than the night itself, making them fully visible as more of a shadow or a silhouette.

• 59:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 59:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The only light in that area was that of the summer moon. These horses didn't seem harmful in any way, but it was weird and we all kind of felt mesmerized, like, wow, look at this beautiful thing we're seeing. But then as they disappeared, our nerves really hit this limit. Because between the randomly dying car, the drastic change of temperature, and the lack of a better term, spirit horses, we decided to call it a night. Me and two other friends got into the tent and I tried to go to sleep. However, the night was not over yet because as we lay there staring up at the ceiling of the tent, this gentle breeze began pulling back the tarp, letting us see the nighttime sky. This continued for a few minutes where the tarp would slowly peel back to reveal the nighttime sky and then fall back down.

• 59:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was almost as if like something was lifting it up so we could see the sky and then covering it again. I knew it was nothing, but my friends and I were all terrified and so we were like, let's not sleep here.

• 1:00:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We all got in our car and began driving down the long driveway. We're all in one car. Our intention was just to get off the property and right as the front bumper hit the exit to the main road, our car died without warning.

• 1:00:21Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, I don't like this.

• 1:00:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We frantically tried to get the car back on and after several tries, we finally did and were able to get out. We were driving down the road, trying to figure out where to go. And it was then that I got a text from an unknown number that said, "My name is Emily Rose and tonight at midnight, I will be sitting at the foot of your bed. If you don't forward this to 10 people."

• 1:00:43Corinne Vien?

  Uh, was this the time of the haunting of Emily Rose?

• 1:00:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe, but to get it at that exact time.

• 1:00:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's freaky.

• 1:00:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So instead of going for food after that text, I asked my friends to bring me to my car. I got back on that haunted property, got in my car, drove home very fast. What a night. Uh, also later on, we found out from my friend's dad that one of the sheep just got sick and died. He put it in the woods for local wildlife to eat. So that was why the dog had found the skull. But my last story was on that same property. I was not there, but my friend who lived on the property told me this story and it happened shortly after our bonfire night experience. Both she and her friend were in her bedroom when her friend decided to go outside to smoke. When she got to the door that led to the deck, she saw what looked like a woman ghost dressed in a really old style of clothes, just sitting on the stairs.

• 1:01:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Instead of going outside, she went back to my friend's bedroom. And before she could explain what happened, my friend said her eyes rolled back in her head and she started to laugh.

• 1:01:44Corinne Vien?

  But this is way too many experiences for one email. I feel like this is like, are you okay?

• 1:01:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, at least Bobby's not experiencing all of them.

• 1:01:53Corinne Vien?

  Right, but Bobby's around haunted friends.

• 1:01:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, Bobby. It didn't last long as far as I know, and they never saw that ghost again. But during this episode of laughter, a metal cross fell off the wall, hit the bed and broke. After I heard this experience from my friend, I decided, yeah, I definitely don't want to go back to that house ever again and haven't. Over time, this friend and I lost contact, so I will never know if anything else has happened on that property. But I can say probably most likely. Um, that's from Bobby.

• 1:02:22Corinne Vien?

  Well, shit, Bobby.

• 1:02:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You've seen aliens, you've seen.

• 1:02:27Corinne Vien?

  You've seen aliens that you blamed as being just a paranormal experience.

• 1:02:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, no, I also felt like the car stopping and car dying is such a similar experience that people have with aliens.

• 1:02:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, see, that one's tough because that's like, yeah, it totally fits alien abduction, but it also fits kind of like.

• 1:02:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Electronics.

• 1:02:45Corinne Vien?

  Time, like entering other dimension portal time glitch situation. Or I feel like sometimes when people talk about like encounters with flush pedestrians and like other things like that.

• 1:02:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're manipulating things.

• 1:02:58Corinne Vien?

  For the hills to try to keep you.

• 1:02:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 1:03:00Corinne Vien?

  Stuck there.

• 1:03:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone said that they were trying to listen to, and this is a car malfunction situation, but it's also, I think, Sven, hey, um, looking out, looking out for all of our listeners. Someone tried to listen to part one of Harold the Haunted Doll. And they're in their car and just as we were saying, like, hey, maybe don't listen while you're driving, or if you do really just set intentions, their car like started glitching and the podcast wouldn't play. They tried to like play it multiple times. It would not play the episode and they're like, okay, I'm taking this as a sign as something does not want me to listen while driving.

• 1:03:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, well, that is definitely a good thing that you took that as a sign.

• 1:03:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, if you're listening to our podcast and it starts to glitch and like doesn't want you to listen to it, we're okay with that.

• 1:03:44Corinne Vien?

  Either don't listen or just, yeah, take a break, change your setting.

• 1:03:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Corinne Vien?

  Choose a different day, go listen somewhere else.

• 1:03:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Choose to listen to the signs.

• 1:03:53Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 1:03:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're all around us. Signs.

• 1:03:57Corinne Vien?

  Did you say science?

• 1:03:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Signs.

• 1:03:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I didn't think anyone.

• 1:04:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Science. And science, I mean,

• 1:04:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  the same, right?

• 1:04:05Corinne Vien?

  What is science?

• 1:04:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What are aliens, anyway? We don't have questions. I mean, we, we have.

• 1:04:13Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we gotta go.

• 1:04:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, yeah, I need a break.

• 1:04:16Corinne Vien?

  I just like squawk laughs too. We, we definitely need a break.

• 1:04:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, so email us your experiences with aliens. Let us know if you too were abducted in September of 1969 in the Berkshires and this episode is recalling your memory and you wanna, you wanna get it out there, share it with us.

• 1:04:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Email us at [email protected]. If you want episodes one week early and ad free, go check us out on Patreon or any of the subscriptions, but Patreon I feel like has, not I feel like, definitely has more bang for your buck, more benefits, bonuses, bonus content, different events and stuff. So that's the spiel, you, you know it.

• 1:04:52Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast and is probably gonna be mad at me for how many times I'm moving away from my mic.

• 1:04:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 1:04:59Corinne Vien?

  No, she'd never be mad at me.

• 1:05:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But she would be like, hey, can you?

• 1:05:02Corinne Vien?

  But she's gonna say.

• 1:05:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Put your microphone close to your face.

• 1:05:05Corinne Vien?

  Sit still. Shout out Jamie. We love you. Jamie, we love you. And we love all of you. And we will. See you on the other side.

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