Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

How did Amika Mota go from a midwife and mother of three to a prisoner inside one of the largest women's prisons on Earth? Handcuffed to a hospital bed, awaiting trial, Amika tries to come to grips with the tragic crash that cost one man his life and took her away from her children. Inside the Chowchilla prison walls, she faces the "green cops" and the threat of solitary confinement. Outside the walls sits Firehouse Five, the home of the legendary crew of incarcerated firefighters called the Fire Girls. This episode contains descriptions of a car crash & strong language. Sensitive listeners please be advised. Thank you, Amika Mota, for sharing your story with us! Fire Escape https://snapjudgment.org/fire-escape/, the 6-part series is dropping weekly on the Snap Judgment podcast feed. You can access the bonus episodes here https://wondery.com/shows/fire-escape/. Fire Escape is a production of Snap Studios https://snapjudgment.org/ at KQED https://www.kqed.org/, made in partnership with Audible (previously Wondery). This series was created, written and produced by Anna Sussman. Snap Senior story editors: Mark Ristich and Nancy López. Director of Production: Marisa Dodge. Original music by Renzo Gorrio and Doug Stuart. Doug Stuart also created the theme song. Sound design and engineering by Miles Lassi. Audible senior story editor: Phyllis Fletcher. Development producer: Eliza Mills. Senior Producers: Clare Chambers, Lauren Dee and Mandy Gorenstein. Managing Producer: Sarah Mathis. Executive producers: Glynn Washington, Mark Ristich, Marshall Lewy, Morgan Jones, George Lavender and Jen Sargent. Special thanks to Adizah Eghan, Kathryn Styer Martínez, Pat Mesiti-Miller, Allison MacAdam, Catherine Winter and the San Francisco Fire Department. Season 17 - Episode 17 Join Snap+ https://snap.supercast.com/if you aren't already a member! Get bonus eps, an ad-free stream and more. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices https://dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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• 1:52Glynn Washington?

  Snap Nation, I am so proud to finally bring you a Snap Judgment storytelling event. It's a journey that brings us behind the walls of one of the largest women's prisons on earth and into the passenger seat of an all-female fire crew as they respond to real emergencies. It's a story of death, birth, and of a woman who stands at the gates to both. And it's a story that asks the question, what if we took society's villains and made them society's heroes? Since new listeners are advised.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  Okay, let's start with, tell me everything you remember about your first call.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  It was fall during the really foggy, foggy season. And so the fog was really, really heavy. And so, you know, in the fire engine on the way to the call, we could hardly see, the fog was so thick. And we had heard that, that there was a cotton truck involved. It was like a four-lane highway. And it was a cotton truck that had been rear-ended by somebody else and kind of spun out and the cotton bales fell off onto the freeway. 911, what's your emergency?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  The call came into Madeira County Station 5. It sits in the flatlands of California's Central Valley, lined with rows and rows of aging almond trees. The firefighters at Station 5 were the closest to the scene. Fire engine's responding.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  You know, the routine is it comes in over, the call comes in over dispatch and you get suited and booted real quick. So you get your full turnout gear on, it's your real heavy gear. And then we all jump in the engine. And I was nervous, it was my first, you know, car accident. And I know the captains and the chief were a little bit nervous about me coming to the scene too.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Driving down the highway, Amika and the other women on the engine were quiet. Lined up, four on each side of the truck, knees touching in the middle with their helmets on their laps. The equipment on the engine was rattling, and they strained to hear the information over the radio. From what they heard, it was a very fragile scene.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  I was just talking to God, like, "Please let me be able to handle this. Please give me the strength to maintain some composure."

• 4:39Speaker 02

  And did you have the feeling of, like, feeling eyes on you?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. They were definitely, like, you know, checking in with me on the way. And I remember Chief looking at me at one point, and he's like, "Honey, you look like a deer in the headlights."

• 4:56Speaker 03

  You know, we roll on scene, and I can see a man's head, and he already had that look of death, which is just that color, the shade of gray to his face. My heart is pounding at this point. It's like, okay, we don't, I don't know what else I'm gonna see.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  The other fire stations around the town were also called, and their fire crews were starting to show up.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  There's other engines on scene that have rolled up now, and firefighters that have been on the job for 20 years. And this was such a bad scene that there was a couple of the firefighters, the old head-experienced firefighters, that were sick on the side of the road, literally sick. And so, we're watching them. But our job as the first engine on scene and as the girls that do the dirty work is pulling the bodies. That's our job.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  So, I approach with the captains and the other firefighters. And I can see in the back seat, two more bodies.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  I'm praying, because I don't know what to do to kind of else. I feel like we have to keep some reverence to this moment, too, because it's so intense, this whole family that has passed.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  Amika and the other firefighters cut open the car. Inside was a family of three, all adults. Carefully, they removed their bodies and placed them on the grass and covered them with yellow sheets.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  I wasn't prepared for that being the beginning of my experience at the firehouse. And so at that point, it was like, I'm a baby firefighter. And I just, my first car accident was a triple fatality. We don't quite know how to take care of ourselves. We don't quite know how to get home and tell the other crew about what we just saw. It's just kind of a really silent ride home.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  The place Amika and the other firefighters call home is actually inside a prison. It's called Madeira County Station 5 CCWF. And it's a little brick firehouse with two engines and a handful of rolled hoses, a bunk room with 12 neatly made cots, a little open kitchen and a captain's office. And there, 12 incarcerated women train and work out, wash fire trucks and go to sleep, all inside the barbed wire fence of one of the largest women's prisons in the world, the Central California Women's Facility, CCWF.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  We're firefighters, but we're incarcerated, you know? And we, we lived with correctional officers still. We were not free. And our view into the prison gates reminded us of that, like, every day. You know what I mean? We couldn't look outside without seeing the towers and the barbed wire.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Is there a moment when they kind of lock you in?

• 8:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, count time, we get counted the same as everybody else on the inside. And so count time is when the sergeant comes through and everybody needs to be on their bunk and accounted for, basically.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  What was your number?

• 8:44Speaker 03

  X32168.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  From Wondery and Snap Studios at KQED, I'm Anna Sussman, and this is Fire Escape, the story of a woman whose world burned down, and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. This is episode one, "The Crash."

• 9:25Speaker 02

  There were nearly 2,000 women locked inside the Central California Women's Facility at the time Amika entered. Women at all custody levels, women serving sentences for crimes ranging from embezzlement to homicide to possession of drugs. And when I first began interviewing women here about 20 years ago, they would each always tell me the same thing, about the shame they endured as women prisoners. They had let down their families, their parents, their children. They felt they had failed as women. It's something corrections officers taunt them about, something their kids, friends, parents make comments about. I remember interviewing

• 10:08Speaker 02

  a woman under the shadow of the high prison wall and her saying casually, "We're women. We're not supposed to commit crimes. We're not supposed to be here."

• 10:22Speaker 02

  And that comment meant so many things about women who are convicted of crimes and in prison, and what everyone thinks of them forever.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  When I first met Amika, it was clear she was very aware of this narrative.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  You fucking broke the social contract with the whole world when you went to prison and left your kids. Like, that is the most real thing ever. Like, once you break this social contract, that's it. Like, that's just how it's perceived, right? From the world and by us when we internalize this shit. And regardless of all of the ways they feel about me, it's like, there's no going back. There's none. I can only move forward.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  When Amika talked about the calls she responded to as an incarcerated first responder, it seemed hers was a story of defying a system intent on burying her under the weight of her worst moment. Out on the fire trucks, Amika and the other women are basically heroes, pulling children out of crumpled cars, climbing into burning homes with a hose and an axe, picking up elderly folks who had fallen in their kitchens, saving the lives of their jailers and their families. When they ride past schoolyards with fire truck lights spinning, kids cheer. And then they drive into the prison gates.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Before Amika was inmate X32168, she lived in the mountains of Kern County, California, in a three-bedroom house.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  The front thing was a whole porch, all the way around, the front. Like, a wraparound porch. Yeah, it was really beautiful. I loved that house. It was kind of a dream house.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Amika was 29 years old and she had three kids. And she had just moved to the countryside to try to slow down and focus on her kids and focus on being a mom.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, so Tehachapi is just these high desert mountains, a lot of rolling hills, really beautiful. You can see the shadows on the hills from the clouds.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  She'd walk her older kids to the school bus every morning, and on weekends, they'd go hunt for snakes or go to her son's football games.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  I had big dreams of, like, taking care of the home and having a garden and having nice meals, and I tried.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  I liked the idea of it. I did. I had idealized the idea of living in a small town, taking care of my kids, taking care of my house.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  And then, on a warm night in October 2008, driving down Lincoln Avenue in Cypress, California, everything changed.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  I do remember approaching the light that I ran and seeing the light. I don't remember if I saw it red, but I was gonna burn through it. And I didn't see any other vehicles. And then that was when I hit Mr. [BLEEP] car.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  It's like glimpses. I remember glimpses of coming into the hospital and waking up in between the surgery and seeing... I remember the families I would see in the hallway. And I remember waking up, and that's handcuffed to the bed. So there was sheriff deputies on one side of the bed and outside the door. So you could see two outside the door and one right next to me. And he let me know that I was under arrest and that I had killed somebody in this accident. And I didn't believe him. I remember just not... It just didn't register. None of it felt real. It didn't feel true.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Like, what do you mean, I killed somebody? That's just sounded so crazy to me. And that was when it starts unfolding.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Amika had a broken pelvis, a lacerated liver, and a punctured lung. From the hospital, after multiple surgeries, she was led into a sheriff's van and taken to the Orange County jail.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  And the deputies just tossed me around. I was pushed into the shower and so felt my knees because I couldn't stand. I remember the shower coming on.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  I had chunks of glass still stuck in my scalp. And as I was showering, those chunks were coming out of my hand. So that moment of showering was also this intense. I just, I was realizing all of it moment by moment.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  She was put into an isolation cell.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  And isolation, it was room 13. I won't forget that. The wing I was in, I could hear people screaming through the vents. My body was just in so much pain that it was, you know, on a thin mat, curled up with my wool blanket and just shivering.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Over the next days and weeks in the Orange County jail, she was moved into a medical unit to recover from the accident and the surgeries. And from there, she was moved to a two-person cell. She was allowed into a day room for two hours, where she could read the newspaper and shower. And then she was returned to her small cell. Eventually, she was given a public defender and told more details about the case against her. She could be convicted of second-degree murder. She waited in the county jail month after month. The only way she could have seen her kids would have been in a visiting room, separated by a thick glass window.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  You know, like, I couldn't imagine looking at my little six-year-old that was already like, could not make sense of where I was or why her mom was sitting in a box like that. And then like, I mean, I would like envision her like trying to touch me or, you know, like, no, that shit was not gonna happen. Like, it felt, it felt more harmful, like I would be harming them more.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Than not seeing them?

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Than not seeing them.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  She wrote letters home to her kids. This one was after she'd been locked up for six months, waiting for her trial.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  There was one, this one was like, when I got sentenced. That was intense to read.

• 17:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, um, this is to all three of them. So as far as I go, I pled guilty to the charges against me last Friday. I could have kept fighting them, but it felt like it was the right choice. Now there's what's called an open sentence. The judge gets to decide how much time to give me. The most time that I would do is 13 years and eight months. With good time credit, it's actually just over 10 years. And that's the worst case scenario. He could choose to give me less time. He chooses that on May 8th. That's the day I'm sentenced.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  It's a big day, and it won't be a lot clearer after that what the future holds for us. But either way, I'll be going to state prison, which is a whole different ballpark than county jail. And then at the end of the summer, you guys should be able to come and visit for a weekend trip. I can't wait to hug all three of you. That sounds like heaven to me. So for that reason alone, I'm excited that I get to go to prison. Anyway, that's the scoop. May 8th is the big day. I love you so much.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  More Fire Escape after the break. Stay tuned.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Welcome back to Snap Judgment. My name is Anna Sussman. Today, we're listening to our series Fire Escape, Already in Progress.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  On May 8th, she was led to the courthouse one final time for her sentencing.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  During the sentencing in Orange County, the, you know, I was shackled and sitting in a cage off the side of the judge. And so I could see his family. I could see my family. And but it was through a glass panel and bars.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  We won't be using the victim's name in this story to protect his identity.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  His wife was in the courtroom. And I remember them talking about, you know, who he was.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  He was a pilot and flew in the Air Force here. So he'd done all this amazing stuff in his life and.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  I remember his wife, you know, saying that he was just about to retire.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  And that they were gonna have. That she was so excited to have some time with her husband because he worked so hard his whole life.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  He's like a grandfather, a father. And I could relate to that, you know, like he had done his life, he put in his dues. He daily grind, day in, day out, taking care of his family. And he was just about to reap those rewards, you know. I had taken their whole life from them, basically. And so. I mean, that that is sitting in the courtroom. It was like, I took their life and I took my, my, you know. And I did the same to my family. It was like I wiped out two families completely. So it was a really fucked up feeling.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  I knew that sentencing was about what I was gonna walk away with. But I knew that that was their opportunity to address me. And so that was the most important piece of that was allowing them to address me and make sure I looked them in the eye.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  Because I didn't want them to feel like I wasn't hearing them or taking what they were saying. I don't think they wanted to look at me much. You know, they shook their head and discussed often, like, didn't really want to look at me. But I felt like I owed it to them. Maybe, I don't know if that was the right thing to do.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I addressed the court at some point, too.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  And then that is like, what do you even say? What do you say? Because it feels like at that point, it's some fucking performance. Like, you're supposed to say something that sounds like this. And like, none of it is even, it's like, I don't even know. So I don't remember what I said.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Amika's words to the court that day were this. "I've never had the chance to express how sorry I am to Mr. [BLEEP] family. No words will heal your hurt and bring back your father and your grandfather. But from the deepest part of my soul, I am so very sorry."

• 22:58Speaker 03

  At that point, I was hated. They were disgusted by me. And so that, there was no room for me to think about that either.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  To think about what?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  To think about

• 23:11Speaker 03

  any making of amends that I could do with the family or reaching. I mean, actually, I remember like, asking my attorney at one point, like, can I reach out to them? And he was like, absolutely not.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Amika waited for her sentence in the Orange County jail. She talked to her God. She talked to her kids on the phone, told them she didn't know when she'd be home. She talked to her victim.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  So what would you say?

• 23:43Speaker 03

  I would thank him, you know, for a chance, another shot. I still haven't talked about this.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  I mean, I felt very grateful to be alive. And I feel like, um, like, um, I don't know. Like, I felt like I was allowed to live at the sake of his life.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Amika was convicted of vehicular manslaughter. She was sentenced to nine years and eight months in California State Prison.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  The thing that I... that always will stick with me is the judge just talking about, you know, letting me know that this was not about rehabilitation. This was about punishment.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  It wasn't like there was no hope, but kind of like that, like,

• 24:47Speaker 05

  it felt like there was a message in there that I was not redeemable.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Coming back from sentencing, I was walked through the jail. And when I was brought into my unit, you know, there was about 32 other women that I'd been with for that last year. So I walked in, everybody was waiting to see what had happened. And I fell to my knees and I screamed and, you know, 10 years.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  Just 10 years, 10 years, 10 years.

• 25:29Speaker 05

  This one, I have so much to say to each of you, but I can't put it all on paper now. I'm waiting for the prison bus. They come every Sunday to pick up the girls that are waiting to go to prison. So any Sunday now I could go. I'll have a new address and a new prisoner number. Every day now is a day closer to seeing you all. That's what keeps me going every day. I feel strong and I know we will all be okay.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Amika began serving her 10-year sentence in the polka dot mu-mu women are dressed in when they go over the wall.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Over the wall is what they call it. And it's just going over the wall to the main yard in prison.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  The prison was over capacity. Some women were pregnant, some were living with HIV, some were in need of psych care or methadone. And people were triple bunked, some even housed in boiler rooms. Amika was walked to her dorm, shackled at the legs and the wrist and the waist, and handed a blanket and some clothes. One of the first things she did when she got there was she took a little paper envelope of pictures of her kids, Milo, Soleil, and Blossom. And she took a tube of toothpaste and put a little dot of toothpaste on the back of each picture and hung them up in her locker, where she could see them all the time.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  I could see their face. I'd see their faces. I could smell them. I could feel their skin and their hair. That's what I would miss, you know?

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Sometimes she would take the pictures out of her locker and lie on her bunk and just hold them.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  On my bunk, headphone up. There was a picture of my youngest. It was like a close-up shot of her face and just all her little freckles on her nose. And like, I would just, you know, kiss that picture and stare at her little freckles.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  She could finally have a contact visit. She'd been locked up for almost a year. And now that she was out of county jail and in state prison, she could visit them without a pane of glass in between them.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  I knew I was really close to being able to see my kids and hold them and hug them and, you know, in person.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Amika's papa was gonna bring the kids for a visit, all three of them. They'd been living with him at the time. And he booked a flight and packed their bags. And Amika thought she could hold on just a little bit longer and waited out until she got that visit. But waiting it out was harder than she realized. What Amika didn't yet understand was that inside prison, there's an invisible and changing set of rules, predicated often on the whims of the guards.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  Like, in a month's period of time, I managed to get three write-ups. And I didn't feel like, you know, like I was acting out in the yard or acting crazy. Like, I just really, it didn't feel that way.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  A write-up is a punishment for breaking a rule. She said it was as if the COs were everywhere.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  Like, you can't just go be. You can't just be. It's always, they want something.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  Like, "No, fuck you. You can't get your wash slot today because you looked at me funny." Or, "No, you can't get your phone call today because you didn't flirt back." You know, it's like every green suit wasn't a human. He was part of this prison machine.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  She calls them "green cops" because they wore green uniforms. She says there were a few in particular she knew to avoid.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  There was one guy on the yard that was, you know, one of those ones that he was not horrible, but he was just really a kind of a dick by the book.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  She knew him as "the stickler." He had this graying hair and he was older, like in his mid-60s.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Uh, "Don't engage at all. Just kind of look at you like a piece of shit." Wouldn't make eye contact when you walked by.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Amika tried to navigate around him, keeping her head low. She'd go to the mess hall and the law library, her work assignment, the yard, and back to her cell. But she kept getting in trouble everywhere. And every time she'd get written up, the punishments would escalate. And then, one time, a few weeks in, she saw this thing happening in front of her and she felt she had no choice but to get involved.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  I was getting ready to go in the shower, so I had my shower shoes on and a muumuu.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  There was this old woman that was a porter.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Porter is one of the jobs for incarcerated women. A porter would clean up after people.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  And she was very old, like probably 70-something, just very like old and frail. And it's like hard to even watch her work in prison. So she had taken my sidecar's towel from the shared showers.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  And your sidecar is the person who sleeps in the bunk next to you.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, my sidecar flipped out and started cussing at this old woman. And I was like, "What?"

• 30:57Speaker 02

  And that's when Amika and her sidecar got into a fight, a big fight.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Throwing punches in the dayroom is like the worst place you could fight because you're basically in front of the cop shop.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  And it was after the fight died down in her cell that a cop, a prison guard, came to take Amika away.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Some cop came to the door and basically was like, roll it up. I was classified as a failure to program. And I ended up being, you know, put in isolation.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  She was given 40 days in solitary confinement. And as the green cop marched her across the yard towards the isolation unit, he casually mentioned, "There goes your contact visit with your kids. They can still come down to the prison, but no contact." He said she'd have to look at them through a glass window.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  We had a date. We had a date on the calendar when they were coming. And it was, it was like, you know, every call, "I get to see you, mama." "You know, I get to see you in a few weeks." So we're all counting down.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  I asked the sergeant, "Please let me call my kids." Or my papa. I had to call papa and tell him that I couldn't visit.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Amika still felt it would do more harm than good to have her kids visit through a pane of glass. It had been a year and a half. There would be no in-person visit. She wouldn't get to see her kids. They wouldn't be able to touch her or hug her.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  I mean, there became a point when I realized

• 32:51Speaker 03

  that being the type of mom I wanted to be to my kids from the inside was impossible.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  So it was very much like this reckoning for me of who I was as a human being.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  I had gone inside as a mama,

• 33:20Speaker 03

  someone that had integrity. And now I had taken someone's life.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  And it was a new version of me that I had to figure out who I was now.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  If she was ever going to be able to be able to figure that out, she'd need to find some way over that wall.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  I always wondered what it was like on that side because we knew they lived right outside the gate. And so it's kind of this other world that just isn't magic. It's like, where are they? What are they doing? It just gave me this picture of what it would look like, and I wanted it.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Fire Escape is a production of Snap Studios and Wondry. This series was created, written, and produced by me, Anna Sussman. And I want to thank Amika Mota for her help and generosity in sharing her story with us. For Snap Studios, our senior story editors are Mark Ristich and Nancy Lopez. Marisa Dodge is our director of production. Original music by Renzo Gorrio and Doug Stewart. Doug Stewart also created our theme song. Sound design and engineering by Miles Lassie. Our senior story editor is Phyllis Fletcher. Our development producer is Eliza Mills. Claire Chambers, Lauren D., and Mandy Gorenstein are our senior producers. And Sarah Mathis is our managing producer. Our executive producers for Snap Studios are Glynn Washington and Mark Ristich. Executive producers for Wondry are Marshall Louis, Morgan Jones, George Lavender,

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  and Jen Sargent. Special thanks to Adisa Egan, Catherine Steyer Martinez, Pat Methede Miller, and the San Francisco Fire Department. On Team Snap, the union-represented producers, artists, editors, and engineers are members of the National Association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians, Communication Workers of America, AFL-CIO Local 51. Fire Escape, the full six-part series, is dropping weekly on the Snap Judgment feed. You can listen wherever you get your podcasts and on our website, snapjudgment.org.