Cuomo DESTROYS Mamdani, NBA Mafia Gambling Bust & Trump TURNS China On Russia | PBD Podcast | Ep 672

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down Andrew Cuomo’s heated debate clash with Zohran Mamdani, the NBA’s massive mafia-linked gambling bust, and Trump’s bold oil move to turn China against Russia amid rising trade tensions. ------ 👞 GET THE NEW FLB 1'S: https://bit.ly/4mXV9gd 📕 REGISTER FOR BPW 2025 - FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2025: https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2/ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, I think it's appropriate for us to start a podcast with some life-changing advice, if that's okay with you guys. Ooh. If you, at any point of your life, are making 26.6 million a year, don't go, don't go break the law betting and gambling and leaving the game nine minutes into it for $200,000 of cash. You know what you call that? You call that double dumb, okay? I just want to start off with some life-changing advice because I want our folks to have better lives. I want you to enjoy playing the NBA, okay? I want you to enjoy doing what you're doing. But no, not Terry Rozier. It's not what he wanted to do. He wants 200 grand, right? And it's a lot of stuff going on with the whole NBA scandal that's coming up. Some people are saying they're not even done with. I had to make a phone call to an old friend.

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Tim Donahue, who was the referee in the NBA that went and did some time, because he was actually doing stuff with the mob, and he's gonna join us here in a few minutes, so stay tuned for that. But we got a lot of stories to get into. The debate, New York City mayoral debate, Curtis Lewa on fire. Andrew Cuomo dropped some incredible, you know, heat on Mamdani, and Mamdani came with his charming smile, you know, doing his thing, but the odds are still, you know, on their side. I mean, there's gotta be a miracle taking place, but I thought Cuomo actually did a pretty good job, and I thought Lewa did a good job. We'll see if New York City's gonna be doing anything or not. Bill Ackman, Trump is the most pro-business

• 2:53Patrick Bet-David?

  president we've ever had, okay? Trump claims China doesn't want to invade Taiwan. By the way, breaking news just came out of nowhere yesterday when we're talking to Ana Paulina Luna, which buys phenomenal conversation talking to her. We could've gone for another four hours. Is China agreed to follow the sanctions, not buying oil from Russia? That decision was made. We made the announcement within 15 minutes of it. State oil guys are not buying no more. Trump pardons convicted Binance founder, CZ, White House says, Trump, it was time for Russia sanctions. Putin meeting didn't feel right. I don't know if you guys saw what he did with Canada. Apparently, the Ronald Reagan Foundation came back and said,

• 3:37Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, Canada was spending $75,000 of ads against tariffs. Trump said, every negotiation that we had on the table is done. I don't want to talk to you. Terminated the whole thing. We'll definitely talk about that. Exclusive China, we talked about, we said we had time for, we should've got it. Who is paying for Trump's White House ballroom, folks? I don't know if Tom just showed us something right before we went live.

• 4:01Patrick Bet-David?

  He showed us what the White House, we'll show it in a minute, we won't show it right now, what the White House put up on their website of pictures that they're doing at the White House. You gotta see it, it's funny, a lot of people are losing their, their, their mind with it, but we'll definitely cover that story, okay? This is exactly when Christianity will be toppled as religious majority in America as Islam rises. Louis Manjuni Ba fought seven ladyboys. Yes. In Thailand before CO killing. Yes. He, seven ladyboys is what, girls with dangling links? Is that kinda what that lady? That's exactly what it is. Guys that are, yeah, yeah. We got a, we got a guy on the scene down there that's doing some. Yeah, calling me live in the streets. Sharp decline in young adults identifying as transgender, non-binary, analysis finds.

• 4:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Pentagon announces a new right-wing press corps after mass walkout, Tom's got some thoughts on that. Average cost of a family health insurance plan is now nearly $27,000. U.S. lifts key restrictions on Ukraine use of European long-range missiles. Finances are getting tighter, U.S. car repos surge as Americans default on auto loans.

• 5:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Netflix co-CEO on WBD buyout rumors, we have no interest in owning legacy media networks. Warner Brothers Discovery launches formal auction of media giant sources. Mehdi Hassan has tantrum as Americans inform him they don't want Islamic call to prayer in their neighborhoods. You have to see what he has to say about it, which is quite interesting. And then we got a couple of the stories, the NBA scandal, Chauncey Billups, I never, ever thought Chauncey would be on a list like this, literally, I never thought he'd be on a list like this. Maduro is asking for peace, but he's being sarcastic. Couple of the boats got shot down as well. People have to learn how to swim nowadays in Venezuela. If you're working there, you're dealing drugs, Vinnie, you have to be a, like a. Certified.

• 5:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Serious Iron Man type of swimmer to go through it. And then Hillary Clinton mocked for 2001 furniture scandal amid Trump's ballroom meltdown, at least he didn't steal.

• 6:10Patrick Bet-David?

  The silverware, which Hillary Clinton did, and she had to come return it back. What's wrong with that? Who does things like that, but she did. California, she commercial a CDL to illegal alien truck drivers. You have to see what happened. It's a, I don't even, can we show that video, Rob? The, the video with the truck, uh? Yeah, the mainstream, I, I saw it on Fox News yesterday, so yeah. Okay, so we'll show, we'll show it. Bret Baer confronts Governor Pritzker over Chicago crime. And it's like, no, we're not, we're in the top, we're not even in the top 30. He's like, what, what, what are you talking about? And then he shows him the data. You have to see that part. Anyways, okay, so that's what we got. Guys, couple of things to remind everybody. At the end of the podcast, we're gonna answer a couple of questions of anybody that wants to ask any questions. You can even direct it to Adam, to Tom, to myself, to Vinnie.

• 6:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to Menex Circle. By the way, this morning for podcast prep, there was a special video with a song that Vinnie and Tom had a very special moment. But if you want to find out what that song is, some of you guys probably don't even know what that song is. Cause it's like OG 80s type of stuff. Go to PBD Podcast Circle, Menex, uh, uh, Menex Circle. And then post your questions at the end of the podcast. We'll address one or two of them. And aside from that, for those of you that are watching and you have big plans for 2026. I'm excited for 2026. I think 2026 is gonna be the greatest year of my lifetime in America. You know, America's turning 250, World Cup's coming here, President Trump's turning 80. We're gonna have multiple times rates going lower. I think the IPO market's gonna open up. And Vinnie and I, we were out, I was looking at Vinnie outside yesterday, I don't know what was going on.

• 7:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So I'm walking outside, Vinnie's looking at the sky. I'm like, Vinnie, what are you doing? Obviously, we're living, oh, we have 11 acres of land we own right on the airport. So I was concerned, I walked up, watch what Vinnie was doing in this video. Go ahead, Rob.

• 7:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Great pose.

• 7:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, Vinnie. What's up, Pat? What are you doing? Waiting.

• 8:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Waiting for what? Business plan. Come from sky. Also, people told me it works like. How it works? Work for Newton. That's not how it works. On December 12th, I host an event called the Business Planning Workshop, where we go through this entire manual together on how to write a business plan based on 12 building blocks. Okay. All you have to do is click on the link below. Okay. Get registered. December 12th, we'll be together all day. Alright, so can we go eat right now? Yeah, let's go. Cause I've been here for four hours, waiting like an idiot. So, if, if, if you're like Vinny, waiting for a business plan to fall from sky. Still waiting. Don't do that. December 12th, come join myself and tens of thousands of people together that will be going through exactly the way I write the business plan based on 12

• 8:45Patrick Bet-David?

  building blocks. If you haven't yet registered, click on the link below, Rob. If you can give them the, you can find out whatever ticket you want to go with. You can zoom in, not show your face. You can zoom in, be with everybody else, thousands of other people, but we see the face and I'll be able to interact with you. Or you can be there live with us and call and find out more about that. But at the lowest one, you can get registered for $297, full day, and you'll get a 200-page workbook. Click on the link below. Get yourself, your wife, your friends, family, salespeople, executive team. Watch this business plan workshop together, dissemble to a Rob. Let's please put the link below for that. Having said that, let's get right into it. President Trump is not happy about Canada. Rob, if you want to pull this up, so President Trump tweets about Ronald Reagan Foundation,

• 9:30Patrick Bet-David?

  finding out that Canada has fraudulently used an advertisement, which is fake, featuring Ronald Reagan, speaking negatively about tariffs. The ad was for $75,000. They only did this to interfere with the decision of the US Supreme Court and the other courts. Tariffs are very important to the national security and the economy of US. Based on their egregious behavior, all trade negotiations with Canada are hereby terminated. Thank you for this intention to the matter, President Donald J. Trump. Tom, thoughts on this?

• 10:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, back in the day, Reagan was a free market thinker and he made comments about tariffs. Now, but you gotta go look at what is happening right now. I sum it up this way, and this is my opinion, my assessment. Reagan was talking about punching first with tariffs. Can we do this? Can we play the clip? And then I want you to talk about this. Here's a clip, folks. This is the one that Tom is talking about. Go ahead.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  When someone says, "Let's impose tariffs on foreign imports", it looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works, but only for a short time. But over the long run, such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  High tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the triggering of fierce trade wars. Then the worst happens. Markets shrink and collapse, businesses and industries shut down, and millions of people lose their jobs. Throughout the world, there's a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free competition. America's jobs and growth are at stake.

• 11:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's what President Trump doesn't like. Go ahead, Tom. So listen to what Reagan was saying. People have an idea to protect, and that leads to retaliation, and it leads to trade wars. So what Reagan was talking about is you need to get yourself competitive and you have to be ready for a global economy. That's what Reagan was saying. Very clearly, he was saying, "Don't punch first with protectionist tariffs." But what is Trump doing? Canada seems to have a short memory on this. Trump is punching back against companies that have had tariffs and restrictions on the United States for years, decades.

• 12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And so I think you have to look at both sides of it that way, Pat. That's what I think. You know, hard to pick on Trump when he is punching back and trying to level the playing field. You don't hear Trump using the word "protection", you hear Trump using the word "unfair". It's been unfair for too long, and I'm behind Trump on this one. And I think that this spin that being put on there... Look, Doug Ford came out and said things, you've got people in Canada saying things. They're trying to get through, you know, the Trump years and get to the other side. And this was a Bush League move, and I love the fact that he hit back so hard.

• 12:54Patrick Bet-David?

  If we like pan out a little bit. To me, California and Canada are very similar. They're these big massive pieces of land that could be beautiful, could be great, but they're crumbling and falling apart. How often do we hear about Camifonia or what's going on in? Caught me like Canada, I did a podcast, I think Vinny, you did a podcast with our friend Matthew the other day. And I said, everyone I talked to in Canada is trying to move to Florida, everybody. Like, every single person. I said, do me a favor, sell me on coming to Canada. Cause I could sell you on coming to Florida. Tax haven, amazing weather, great people, free markets, low taxes, the whole deal. I go, sell me on coming to Canada. He goes, well, it's gonna be tough to sell you on Canada. Cause we have the following issues and economic and wokeness.

• 13:38Patrick Bet-David?

  And he starts going down the list. 15 minutes later, he's bashing Canada. I go, dude, let me stop you. I asked you to sell me on Canada. He goes, yeah, I just can't. And what's happening in Canada over the last decade? It's downstream from some of the policies that Trudeau basically implemented and now being sort of reinvigorated by this Carney guy, but no bueno what's going on in Canada.

• 13:58Tom Ellsworth?

  And apparently it's had the Reagan Foundation or the family, they're gonna be looking into hopefully going after them because they're, they're, they're, they used the video in, in a manner that wasn't what he actually said. But what they're trying to do, they're basically trying to discredit Trump and what he's doing with the policy. The foundation, like I said, I think Rob, did the foundation say that they're gonna go after him? It's like your, your neighbor is lying to your face. You don't, you don't renegotiate, you close the gate. Good for them.

• 14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Reagan Foundation issued a statement saying the ad misrepresents Reagan's remarks and claims that Ontario, Ontario's government did not seek nor receive permission to use and edit the remarks. Bingo. Like, okay, you wanna play games? That's how we're gonna play. By the way, I actually like the fact that Reagan Foundation is aligned with President Trump and there is none of this Rhino, you know, cause there's different factions right now in the party. I am so glad they are aligned on this thing together and going up against them. And by the way, the one thing that was, I voted, one of my top three issues with the president was tariffs. And I'm glad he's doing it and I hope he comes through with it and I hope they let him do what he's trying to do with tariffs. Other countries can tax us, but we can't do that to them?

• 15:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute, how does that work? So, so the rules and regulations does let other people punish Americans, but not the other way around for us? You wanna do business, we have the best customers in the world. You don't. That's true. The best customers in the world are in America. You want to do business with us. So if you want to do business with us, here's what you have to do in return. Very common sense stuff for me on this one. Let's go to the next one. New York City mayoral race still going on. The debate took place Wednesday night. It was actually a very good debate. On the debate, Andrew Cuomo finally showed up. By the way, the way I put it, I put Sliwa that showed up the best. Then I put Cuomo. Then I put Mamdani, did his same old, same old stuff.

• 15:48Patrick Bet-David?

  But on this one, this was the toughest debate for Mamdani because he got destroyed. Andrew Cuomo came out, straight up destroyed Mamdani. In this one clip, Rob, if you want to go ahead and play this clip, go right ahead.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Uh, I understand my friend doesn't really understand government. The governor doesn't build housing in New York City.

• 16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Not if it's you.

• 16:08Speaker 03

  No, legally, there are jurisdictions. Uh, the governor doesn't pick up trash. He doesn't run the fire department. That's what the mayor does. The mayor builds housing. The state allocates funding for localities. And I allocated more funding for housing than any governor in the history of the state of New York. Alright, I did things. You have never had a job. You've never accomplished anything. There's no reason to believe you have any merit or qualification for eight and a half million lives. You don't know how to run a government. You don't know how to handle an emergency. And you've literally never proposed a bill on anything that you're not talking about in your campaign. You had the worst attendance record in the assembly. And you gave yourselves the highest raise in the United States of America.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  You went from a hundred and ten thousand to a hundred and forty thousand dollars. And then you never showed up for work and you missed eighty percent of the votes. Shame on you. Shame on you.

• 17:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's pretty strong right there.

• 17:04Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what I'm talking about. I wish it had happened earlier.

• 17:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Tom, what do you, what do you think about Cuomo right there? You know what that is? That is a man talking about the things he did. Because as a mayor, you have to get things done. As a governor, you have to get things done. You know, you can talk about that the senators and assemblymen and congressmen, these people negotiate bills, but when it comes to getting things done, declaring the state a disaster area, getting things going, that was fantastic. And he brought the receipts on how Mamdani wasn't even present in the role that he was in. You missed 80% of the votes? Really? Are you kidding me? And you went from 100,000 to 140,000? I thought he brought receipts on Mamdani's number two.

• 17:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But number one, I thought he pointed out what he had done for New York, building more houses, stimulating more houses to be built in New York City than any other governor. Okay, so here's Mamdani going after Andrew, Governor Cuomo. Go ahead, Rob.

• 18:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Mr. Cuomo, in 2021, 13 different women who worked in your administration incredibly accused you of sexual harassment. Since then, you have spent more than $20 million in taxpayer funds to defend yourself, all while describing these allegations as entirely political. You have even gone so far as to legally go after these women. One of those women, Charlotte Bennett, is here in the audience this evening. You sought to access her private gynecological records. She cannot speak up for herself because you lodged a defamation case against her. I, however, can speak.

• 18:52Tom Ellsworth?

  What do you say to the 13 women that you sexually harassed?

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• 19:25Speaker 01

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• 19:59Patrick Bet-David?

  The old Me Too movement called the Trump move by them bringing the girl there. If you, if you want to be in government, then you have to be serious and mature.

• 20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  There were allegations of sexual harassment. They were then, went to five district attorneys, fully litigated for four years. The cases were dropped, right? You know that as a fact. So everything you just stated, you just said was a misstatement.

• 20:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, how do you process that one, Tom? Um, I, I love the fact that he came back with the, with the receipts on it. This is what happens. Now, I think he could have talked about the, the source of it, you know, a little bit. But the fact was, they did go to multiple district attorneys and these cases were dropped.

• 20:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, your thoughts? So, it's, it's almost like Andrew Cuomo is sort of getting the, the message that you gotta fight dirty in this thing. To me, it's like, uh, what's the famous song, "Material Girl" from Madonna? "Material Girl, I'm living in a material world." Andrew Cuomo is an 80's Democrat, living in a 2025 socialist, woke Islamist Democratic Party, and he's finally realizing, I can't play nice with this guy, and I need to go on the attack. You see these stats out there about if it was just people who were born in America or born in New York. Can you pull that up? Andrew Cuomo would run away with this race. I don't think Andrew Cuomo's playing dirty. I think he's responding well, finally responding well to the dirt. Well said, Tom.

• 21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So, and then immigrants, yeah, and then immigrants overwhelmingly vote for M'Adani. So there's a clear, uh, schism right there. For me, and I, this might be offensive, I don't care.

• 21:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we make New York Italian again? Can we bring Brooklyn back to what's going on? You have some Ugandan socialist. Who's rich parents, who hasn't worked. Was about to become the mayor of New York freaking city over here. What happened? If it were me. This is what you're talking about. I want Cuomo to get Italian as hell. Yeah, I touched the girl she liked. There were no problem. What are we talking about? To say New York City mayoral election, American born. If they were born in New York, if you were born in America, Cuomo would be winning. Mamdani second, but do you have the numbers about? Now, if you're born outside of New York. They want Zorah Mamdani. And to me, this is a, a, uh, perfect piece of the puzzle to understand what's going on in America.

• 22:28Patrick Bet-David?

  New Yorkers don't even have a say what's going on in their city. Well, first of all, and I've said this before, just, you know, why he came in and this guy, like, I'm not saying anybody could have done it. The pool of people, you have to pick from Andrew Cuomo, which I, I can, the, the sexual allegations, whatever, if they're real, okay, but. That's why I like him. No, Adam, the, the, what's it called? The, um, the COVID response to the freaking dying elderly people, which nobody knew anything, but that happened. Curtis Silva, nobody, uh, nobody knows who, who he is. He's the beret guy. Anybody to me could have come in talking and smiling and being slick. And New Yorkers like. But here, Adam, but here's the thing. Guardian Angels, yeah. With Cuomo and Silva, this is like, you're going up against Mike Tyson. It's the last round.

• 23:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You're down on all the cards. Now you want to start throwing haymakers? Now you want to start, try to knock him out? That's true. It's not gonna happen. Too little, too late is what you're asking. Adam, it's beyond late. I just want. Think it's too little, too late for Cuomo to start doing this? He's getting AI involved. He's getting Italian added. What's it called? Uh, Eric Adams just endorsed him. Okay. So, which doesn't carry a lot of weight. No, but he just endorsed him. Rob, if you want to just put it on there to.

• 23:39Patrick Bet-David?

  That's why I'm here today to endorse Andrew Cuomo to be part of this fight. So he endorses him. Now you got Curtis Lee. Well, Curtis Lee was not going to be stepping out. Bill Ackman tweeted something, if you want to pull that up, of what Bill Ackman said about Curtis Lee. Bill Ackman did not hold back and even asked him the question to respond that he hasn't yet. I, I, I put Curtis Lee was the best performer in the debate, but the challenge that he has is one thing. So if you want to go a little bit lower, when you, you. It was, no Rob, it's like a few days ago. Keep going lower, lower, lower. Uh, it's two days ago. It's just a tweet. There's no videos, nothing else that you'll see him up. Wait a minute, who is that? Oh, he retweeted my tweet. Well, that's the one I posted.

• 24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, interesting. I didn't know Bill Ackman would go to it. Okay, this is what I posted. My thoughts on the debate. Curtis Spoh was on fire tonight. Show him conviction. All three. Sandra Cuomo performed well. And looked loose, confident like he was having fun. Mamdani hit his usual greatest. It was polished, poisoned. In control, Mamdani's pipe dream socialist policies got exposed tonight. He was caught off guard multiple. I'm not sure if he means anything, but this is the first time he got off guard. My ranking of tonight's debate. Sliwa, Cuomo, Mamdani. That said, here's Sliwa's challenge. He has better chance of becoming governor of New York than mayor of New York City. Sixty-five percent of New York City voters are registered Democrats. Forty-eight percent of New York State voters are registered Democrats. Sliwa has less than one percent chance of winning the mayoral race, but I see him legitimate. Gubernatorial contender in 2026. My suggestion. Sliwa should step down and team up with Cuomo and broker a deal for Cuomo to back him in 2026.

• 25:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Not sure how realistic that is, but it is, uh, where big deals are done. It's clear. Sliwa isn't planning to stepping aside. And he's made that obvious. If you go a little lower, if you go a little bit lower on Ackman's tweet. I actually have it. Give me one second. Yeah. Thank you, Adam. But as he's looking for it. The one where he questions his sort of integrity, right? I spoke to someone who knows Sliwa, and I understand why he's staying in the race. The city has an eight to one matching program for New York City donors. Sliwa got five million dollars of matching funds for the city for his campaign. According to my source, Sliwa's wife, friends, and others are on his campaign payroll. And he, uh, and they are enjoying living off the city's taxpayer who are funding his race lifestyle. And he doesn't want to end this campaign and have to return the funds, follow the money. When I asked why he doesn't care about New York City.

• 25:51Patrick Bet-David?

  My source said he doesn't give a shit. Clearly, this is hearsay, but my source is extremely credible and highly respected person, and he knows Sliwa very well. Curtis, please correct the record if I got anything wrong. What personal related expenses is your campaign paying for? Is your wife and your other family or friends on the payroll or receiving funds? Please clarify the record. Did he respond to this? That got 6.4 million views. Go a little bit lower. Sliwa, you mean? No, I want to see if Sliwa responded to it. Uh, no, I don't see anything here. Okay, Vinnie, you were saying something. Yeah, I just, okay. It's let's just face the facts, okay? And yeah, the debate has to happen, Pat, and you're absolutely great tweet, absolutely right. It's over unless a miracle happens.

• 26:33Patrick Bet-David?

  This isn't some Donald Trump stuff and you saw Mom Donnie trying to be like Trump and bring the the accusers and all that. Listen, it's over, okay? He is unless, like I said, something insane is gonna happen. He's going to win. I'm just curious what you guys think of how long, Pat, until these people have buyer's remorse? And they go, oh, my God, that smiling face, that guy that takes photos with freaking co-conspirators of a world trade bombing? And then goes on podcast, goes on Andrew Schultz's podcast? And everybody's having a good, everybody was glazing all over this guy. Like, not once did you say, hey, listen, that's you with the guy that co-conspirator that blew up, tried to blow up the world trade. Where where's the funding get? Why is everybody having a great time?

• 27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I know it's a comedy podcast, but we're hold the guy's foot to the fire because guess what? It's over. When did he go on Schultz's podcast? He was on Schultz, I think, two, two days ago. Did he push him at all or was it? Look, everybody was having a great time there. And what did what did Andrew Schultz say, Pat? About I'll pay, I'll pay the extra taxes if you do all the stuff that you're gonna say that you're gonna do. Schultz said he wants to pay more taxes? Andrew Schultz said it. And but and I'm just seeing it's when when were people gonna be like, hey, timeout? This is you. This is what you've said. This is what you're about, all this free crap. Where the city's gonna pay for it? Your your free bus ride? That's 700, how much was it, Tommy? 700 million? Who's gonna pay for it? Who's gonna pay for it? The people are, you guys have no idea what you're.

• 27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what Schultz asked him or? No, no, I'm I'm saying that would have been like. So here's what here's here's a clip that you're talking about under 2%. Uh, uh, oh, on threats. Yeah, that's why I didn't know if I could play it. Pat, you're a thread guy. Watch this. Volume, please. Anybody's moving and I honestly feel that way. Go back, go back, go back, go back, cuz. If you're gonna deliver all this shit for 2%. But but so I I don't think anybody's moving and I honestly feel that way. I'm in the tax bracket, we're gonna tax more like, dude, if. You're gonna deliver all this shit for 2% given I I'm 100% supportive it makes life easier for New Yorkers. This is my one identity in my entire life is a New Yorker. It's the thing I care the most about. But I think that there are gonna be people in government that are gonna try to restrict you from doing that.

• 28:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And I know that you're aware of that. What the fuck do you do when special interest groups are gonna be lobbying like crazy?

• 28:45Tom Ellsworth?

  I mean, you have.

• 28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you do that?

• 28:46Tom Ellsworth?

  You have to be ready to take on these fights. There is a reason why we haven't had progress. There are people making money off the status quo. And so there will be a lot of interest in retaining that status quo. Right now, the city of New York will pay McKinsey a few million dollars to design a trash can. McKinsey's not gonna be happy when I say we don't need you to design that anymore. We can actually design that ourselves. You're right that we're gonna have to transform the inner workings of government. And that means ending a patronage politics. There are a lot of people who have jobs more to do with who they know than what they do.

• 29:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew, who lives in New York City, he's gonna be impacted by this. He doesn't think people are gonna leave, and he's okay paying the 2%. They're leaving already. You know what I'm saying? Guys, I'm just telling you what he said, right? That's what he's saying. But by the way, great, Andrew, let's see if he's right. Okay, well. Let's see if he's right. Let's see if people will be leaving. Let's see if this will work out. Let's see if what happens there. But the reality of it is Schultz wants Mamdani to win. Of course. So. You think so? There's no question Schultz is on Mamdani's side. I think he even put a Kalshi, he put a wager on Mamdani to win.

• 29:56Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm not mistaken, a thousand dollar wager for Mamdani to win. So Schultz is trying to help Mamdani win. And by the way, that was the place to be. And Schultz is the podcast of New York. You gotta go through it. Yeah. You know, Cuomo, you know, had to get on to Schultz. We'll see. I don't know yet, but Cuomo had to get on that. I don't think. If Schultz doesn't get Cuomo to get on his podcast, what Schultz is saying is he had Mayor Adams, he had Mamdani. He didn't have Cuomo. What he's saying to the public is, I don't support Cuomo. That's what he's saying. And that's his position of where he's at, so. Or Cuomo just hasn't agreed to go on his podcast. Cuomo would love to be on his podcast, but. Come on, Schultz, bring him on. Can I respond to what Schultz is saying for a second?

• 30:38Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, let me just give the disclaimer. Andrew Schultz, one of the best comedians working out there. I love his crew. Awesome job. I think the world of the guy. At the same time, I also know that he loves New York. And to me, when he says 100% people are not moving, well, that's factually incorrect. Because how many people moved during COVID? One little thing that to change your life. Schultz moved to Miami during COVID. So like, and how many billions of dollars left New York during COVID? So now, people are, have a frame of reference. They see what's coming down the, the pike. They see the taxes that are coming down there. And Schultz, respect to you, I know you're probably worth tens of millions of dollars. We're not talking about tens of millions of dollars here. The people that would be moving are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They own the biggest firms.

• 31:23Patrick Bet-David?

  They're gonna be paying ridiculous corporate taxes potentially. They're the billionaires. They're the people that have houses everywhere. And they will move out of New York. No problem. They might move to New Jersey, they might move to Connecticut, they move to Florida. They move to the sixth borough of Miami. But to say that the people are not gonna move out of New York is just disingenuous. But I do think that Schultz cares about New York. I don't think he's like- Yeah, but you're getting swindled- Yeah, but guess what? You're getting swindled by this guy. Name me one time, Tom. This socialist communist crap has worked anywhere, ever. Go. We don't have to go there, but I'll answer your question very, very succinctly. You said, when will New York realize it? Yes. I believe they're gonna realize it next summer. They're gonna see the early signs that are going on.

• 32:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's when I believe Elise Stefanic will defeat Kathy Hochul next year, November 3rd, 2026. For the New York governor. Because the people of New York City are gonna realize what they bought early on. And I think you're gonna see a huge change in New York politics- And by the way- At next, next year's midterm. New York City is not New York State, I think we just showed that stat. No, I know, that's what I'm talking about. Also, don't think that, back to Schultz. I don't think Schultz is an idiot. I think he's very intentional. What are the chances that he realizes, this is gonna be our next new mayor? Let me hedge my bet? And kinda like, gallivant for him a little bit? Do you think that's a possibility? No, that's, then that means you're a grifter, is what that means.

• 32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I wouldn't say that. But hang on a second, no, you asked me a question? Gotcha. I'm answering you. So, what do you believe in? That's the question. What do you believe in? What do you believe in? Does what Mamdani do match what you believe in? If he does, I support you supporting him. But if you're doing it because you like him, and you know, this guy's never had a proven track record of having done anything. And his track record got exposed with Cuomo and he couldn't even refute it. This is not a worker. This is a rich family's kid that's coming here, that's going around telling people what to do and you're gonna see what you get.

• 33:32Patrick Bet-David?

  But I don't, I, I, I think, I think, I think honestly Schultz is going through identifying what his true convictions are. And some people are always like this, trying to get clear, until your true convictions are like 100% like this, you're always gonna be swinging. Makes sense. One side or another, one side or another, one side or another, so.

• 33:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I know he's been very critical, critical of Andrew Cuomo. I mean, a lot of New Yorkers are. Of course. So Cuomo's trying to put lipstick on a pig and be like, no, he's a way better candidate than M'Nani, don't, don't get me wrong. But he also has a laundry list of things that he screwed up on. So people in New York, don't forget, how many, you just talked about the nursing homes and the old people. So in my opinion, the only way that this gets settled in a fair manner, fair head to head, is if this guy Curtis Lee will, uh, leaves the race. If he stays in it, it's done. No, Adam, we're how many weeks, two weeks away, it's over, guys, it's over. There's no, I'm not worried about that anymore. It's, it's, it's what's coming, and Tommy, you made a great point. Give them a year, give them a year. And I want to know, all that free stuff that he's talking about, you're willing to pay a percent more?

• 34:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, tell that like Adam said to the, to the 50 million dollar guys, the 100 million dollar guys that are gonna leave and take their companies and all their employees and all their jobs. Schultz is not gonna be affected. Schultz makes a shit ton of money. Of course, yeah. Schultz has got money. He's gonna be okay with, you know, 2% for him on the 5 million he's making a year is 100,000 dollars. He's not gonna be hurt by a lot. But, but the reality of it is, if you're campaigning on convictions, on who is a true New Yorker.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Cuomo is a bigger New Yorker, Sliwa is a bigger New Yorker, Mamdani is at least a man a New Yorker. Of course. Out of all of them. But your, your method of voting is the way you're choosing to vote. Great. We respect it. It's your city, meaning, like, go, it's your city. Let's see what happens to your city. Maybe, maybe they're right. Maybe the guy's gonna come and crush it. Maybe there's communistic ideas and, and, and more prayer in the streets is what New Yorkers want. Maybe, maybe they want more of that. Maybe Andrew wants more of that outside of his place. And that's okay. If he truly does, I support it because you're gonna be directly impacted by it more than us. FYI, you know how we're gonna be impacted by it? People moving down here? Real estate properties. You know what's gonna happen here?

• 35:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, when we were in New York, when we were in New York and hanging out the summer, what were realtors saying? What were people talking about? Where are people moving to? Do you know the people in Hampton, they're like, you know how many calls we're getting right now because people are trying to leave the city to come over here and buy all the properties? So we'll see, we'll see. Schultz says nobody he believes is gonna leave. Data's gonna tell you. Do you know how many Miami realtors are praying for Mamdani? Yeah. Of course, you told me. I have friends in Miami that are just like, I can't wait. They're gonna make a killing. Of course. It's also almost, Pat, tell me if you agree with this. It's sort of reminiscent of the 2016 election, where you had establishment candidate corrupt Hillary Clinton, and they obviously got Trump in there. But Bernie is the Mamdani candidate.

• 36:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, I don't think that's the, I don't think that's the comparison. I think the true comparison to this is 2008. This is not 2016 comparison. Obama and McCain? This is, this is Mamdani is Obama, and everybody fell in love because he was such a good speaker, and they were spooked. Came out of nowhere, no history. The challenge was what? Who was the alternative? It was Hillary Clinton. And I don't blame them for not wanting to go with Hillary. Oh, you're saying on the Democratic side? Yeah, well, it was Hillary is Andrew, so I get that part. But you're gonna be spooked in this situation. It's the establishment versus the anti-establishment. But Andrew's not even the establishment. The establishment hates Andrew Cuomo. Well, he's establishment in everyone's eyes. No, no, no, hang on a second.

• 37:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Cuomo family legacy is establishment as a gift, no? Adam, you've been interrupting a lot. When it comes down to New York City... Andrew Cuomo is not establishment. Pelosi hates him, Schumer hates him, everybody hates him. They can't stand this guy. Who do you think probably investigated him? And exposed all that stuff. You don't think it was his own political party? They can't stand the guy. Definitely. Right now, you know, you know where Cuomo's at? You know what's a tough one for Cuomo to be? Cuomo doesn't have any friends. Right. And, and, and you know what I'm saying? Cuomo literally has no friends right now. He has friends, don't get me wrong, but Cuomo doesn't have, Cuomo can't even go to, tell me one big Democrat has Obama came back and endorsed him? Nope. Have, have, Kamala endorsed who? Nobody. Mamdani, Hokel. Yeah, yeah, Mamdani. Hokel endorsed who?

• 37:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Mamdani. Who, who's endorsed Cuomo? Eric Adams, that's not a big, so, so literally, if you think about it, the guy's on an island by himself with nothing going on, trying to win a race, his own political party's not supporting him. I agree with you that, that the establishment Democratic class has no love for Cuomo. But the people of New York, the voters, think that he's establishment. So like you said, he's sort of like politically homeless. The establishment ain't helping him, the people think he's establishment, he's kind of cut in the middle here. And the one guy that can maybe help him out getting out of the race, Curtis Lee, who hates him as well, so they're just all gonna watch New York City burn down with Mayor Mamdani. Yeah, I mean, the way it's gonna go, but remember what I said at the Jubilee debate?

• 38:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I hope Mamdani wins. Part of me wants Mamdani to win. The other part of it for me politically is you guys know where I stand with people running for office and you're not Western. Yep. It, it's, it's a bigger concern, but we'll see. We'll, we'll follow this case study really closely. We got two more weeks to go. To see who gets elected and who wins. Alright, so, let's go to the next story. Next story I'm gonna get into is about, which one should I go to, Tom? NBA, because we have Tom, Tim Donahue. Let's go to NBA. So check this out, guys. Imagine you're making 26.6 million dollars and you're more excited about a $200,000 payout and your name is Terry Rozier. Imagine you're Chauncey Billups, a Finals MVP, a head coach, and you're working with the Italian mafia on poker games,

• 39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  helping them over the years win $7 million. Think about that. Imagine you're Terry Rozier, you decide to step out of the game nine minutes into it, and then that's one of the ways, I just don't feel like playing, he just steps out and goes out and, you know. Is stepping out of the game to help a friend win the game. Rob, do you have the clip of Cash Patel announcing this? Yes. So here's how it started the bombshell and then we're going to go to Tim Donahue here in a minute. Go ahead, Rob. Play this clip with Cash Patel. Such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today. Former, current NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.

• 40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of justice against La Casa Nostra to include the Bonanno, Gambino, Genovasi and Lucchese crime families. Okay, so by the way, it's not every day the FBI director Cash Patel comes out and explains what's going on with the NBA.

• 40:48Patrick Bet-David?

  This is right after the NBA had a good opening day and the timing of it is kind of interesting. You have an opening day, Wem- uh, what's his name, Wemby, has an incredible opening day, 40 points, 15 rebounds, three blocks. Good things are going on and then next thing you know, boom, this is the news. Tim, great to have you on the podcast. Tim, can you hear us? I can't, I can't hear. I think you may be muted. There you go. Can you hear us?

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• 42:17Patrick Bet-David?

  We can hear him over there. You're still. I heard him over there. No, that's Jake speaking. Tim, you may be still muted.

• 42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's see, because that phone has got a, the red's got to remove from it. How about now? Oh, we hear you now. There we go. So, Tim, how you doing? I'm doing terrific. Good morning, guys. Fantastic. Good morning. Fantastic. Appreciate you for making the time. So what do you think about what's going on here?

• 42:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, I think we're just at the tip of the iceberg. I think when you talk about arrests being made by the FBI, I think the guys that are arrested are going to sit down and, you know, be scared to death with what they're facing and they're going to start to cooperate and they're going to tell the FBI everything they know and this thing is, is going to spread like wildfire and you're going to find out that this is a lot bigger than it is right now and it's pretty big. Tim, why do you, do you think this is why two days before this announcement is made, or even one day before this announcement is made, Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, was on Pat McAfee? You think that was intentional? Absolutely. I think he was trying to, you know, get ahead of the fire a little bit and talk about that

• 43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  they need to get gambling under control and I think that he's going to continue to try to figure out a way to, you know, to put a lid on this, but he's, it's going to be very difficult for him because I think this is widespread. I think it's going to be very damaging to the league and, you know, I just received a text message from one of the FBI agents that worked my case and he basically said that they're not going to be able to cover this up like they covered up my case. What do you mean by that? So what's the difference between this case and your case? You know, I think the, David Stern was able to basically put a lid on it and paint me as one bad apple, the only guy involved and nobody else did anything but me and, you know, we're going to move on from it. You know, the FBI.

• 44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  said that there was six or seven other people that they wanted to indict and this got shut down from the highest level and then I find out you know after I go to jail that uh you know a guy by the name of Greg Andres who was the head of the Eastern District of New York um took a job at a law firm and all of a sudden got all the outside legal counsel work for the NBA so um you know it was a situation where David Stern really ran that whole investigation and it got shut down by the you know highest level people uh um in regard to other people being involved. Tim so thi- this this is a bigger question for me. One of the stories was where is that Damon Jones I think was that gave a uh and maybe I'm saying this incorrectly but one of the players that was a teammate of LeBron gave

• 44:53Patrick Bet-David?

  word that he may not be playing the game to a guy on the outside. Do you think this is gonna be tied to some NBA superstars as well? And Chauncey is a superstar, he's an MB- NBA champion, you know, Finals MVP, he's absolutely a superstar head coach, but do you think some major superstar names could be uh tied or leaked to this case here? Absolutely, I mean, when you talk about wire fraud, there there's a that's a law that you know is is can be applied to many different things and if you're uh just calling your buddy and telling them that somebody's not playing uh you know e- even if it's a a nonchalant comment, you're transferring that over state lines, that's wire fraud and that's what I was charged with so yeah, there's no doubt in my mind some of these

• 45:36Patrick Bet-David?

  star players might have been you know saying something to their buddies back home that they weren't playing or one of the other guys weren't playing or they weren't 100% and and bets were placed and money was made uh you know I think that uh you know sometimes uh people with power and money feel that the rules don't apply to them and and they're not gonna get caught and you're you get a little bit cocky like I did and and think that you're gonna get away with something like this and and you just don't, you eventually always get caught. Approach that the mob takes, you know, a lot of times I've had a lot of the folks in the mob, you know, on and I've talked to Michael Francis on how closely they work with the NBA and college. And remember back in the days with, you know, UNLV and you would hear stories about some of the

• 46:17Patrick Bet-David?

  guys in Vegas that would go to UNLV and LJ and Stacy Augman and Jerry Tarkania, of course, a lot of these were allegations. But what is the mob's approach when it comes on to NBA players? Why is it that a lot of the mob is tied and they target NBA? And by the way, this may open up to the NFL, Stephen A. Smith said, you know, they may be coming after the NFL, they may be coming after WNBA. What is the mob's approach when it comes on to working with the NBA? Yeah, it's not just the NBA. This is going to be widespread into other, you know, professional sporting teams also. And, you know, it's just a situation where, you know, you're hanging out with the wrong people at different times and people are connected to the mob and you get comfortable with somebody, you think they're your friend and the next thing

• 46:59Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, they have something on you or you're in an enormous amount of debt to them for some reason and they have their claws into you and they're gonna put pressure on you to do things for them in regard to, you know, information so that they can continue to make, you know, millions and millions of dollars. So, you know, in my situation, I remember I thought I was just gonna give the guy the picks for three months and be done with it. And the FBI agent said they would have never, you know, released you, you were their golden goose. And if you would have stopped giving them the picks that they wanted, they would end up killing you. So, you know, the mob is the mob and it's still prevalent in the United States of America. I know people think that it's not, but, you know, it's still, you know, working very, very hard.

• 47:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam. Tim, how big is the Vegas effect here? Because if you scroll back X amount of years ago, there were no professional teams in Vegas. But the NBA Summer League is based in Vegas. We know that they have the Raiders now, I believe they have a WNBA team. I think LeBron is trying to bring an actual NBA team to Vegas. We know that the mafia was located in Vegas. People think that the mafia went away and they're just podcasters. Now they're clearly out there. How big is the Vegas effect here in your opinion?

• 48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, I think that, you know, every used to always be told you couldn't go to Vegas, stay away from Vegas. It was nothing but trouble. I think it's just a matter of there's a market out there and they want to improve the bottom line. So, you know, they move into Vegas. You know, you mentioned the summer league for the NBA out in Vegas. They put it out in Vegas because they wanted the attraction for, you know, some of the bigger players to go out there and watch. And, you know, it exploded out there because, you know, people went to see it and they loved it and loved going to Vegas. So it's all about the bottom dollar when it comes to, you know, moving out to Vegas and expanding to different areas. And you were found, I don't know exactly, I remember it was 2007, I believe, that you were alleged.

• 48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, 2007, I was found guilty of gambling and wire fraud for passing inside information over state lines. Okay, bingo. The inside information here. So whether it's in the stock market, whether it's in sports gambling, explain the difference maybe between what you were accused of or guilty of versus what actual player, you were a referee. These are players, coaches. Explain the difference in your opinion. You know, I think the difference between me and say Rozier is the fact that he went out onto the floor, basically pulled himself off the floor because he didn't want to go over a certain amount of points, knowing that there was bets that were going to hit in regard to the amount of points that he was supposed to score. You know, my situation was I didn't go out and actually fix games like that. That's fixing of a game, which

• 49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  is a much higher penalty than just passing along information about injuries and different things that, you know, you learned about the game that I was going to officiate that night. So I think he actually went out and fixed the outcome of the bet. So, you know, I think he's probably in the most trouble of the of the three. And for the record, how much do NBA referees make a year? They do very well. A referee that goes all the way up to the NBA Finals is gonna probably make a little bit over 500 grand a year. A lower level guy is gonna make somewhere around, you know, 200, 225 a year. Okay, but this is good money, but this isn't NBA, you know, max salary, even minimum vet money. That's 5, 10, 20, 50 million. Terry Rozier, I mean, I think he's made over 100

• 50:29Patrick Bet-David?

  million dollars in his career. He plays for Miami Heat right now. Why in the hell would someone who's made over 100 million dollars waste their time and their reputation on a 100,000 dollar bet? Explain to me the mind of a player. That's why I think there's something weird going on here. 160 million. Great question. Great question, but what you have to realize is that, you know, gambling addiction is just like drugs and alcohol. And, you know, you get a high from that. I got a high from it. I enjoy doing it every single day in my life. So there's a possibility that he may be addicted to gambling and he just liked the high of doing that. So, you know, people don't realize it, but gambling is just as powerful of an addiction as drugs and alcohol.

• 51:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Have guys reached out to you with any news of any other names that are being targeted? Or you haven't heard anything else? I have not heard anything else, but like I said, this is the tip of the iceberg. When you talk about an investigation of this level, the FBI being involved, you know, Billups is gonna sit down with them, Rozier's gonna sit down, Jones is gonna sit down, they're gonna be facing, you know, 10, 15, 20 years in jail. They're gonna literally scare the shit out of them and they're gonna cooperate because, you know, the last thing you wanna do is sit in a jail cell for the next 20 years of your life when you have a family at home. And it's gonna be widespread. There're gonna be a lot of other big names

• 51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  involved in this. I don't believe that the NBA is gonna be able to cover something like this up.

• 52:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, go ahead. No, because I was just gonna say, Tim, when it comes to like, I just thought about it. Even college, like college games, I showed Pat a clip last week about a guy, a team that could have just kneeled the ball and won. He ran all the way back into his own end zone for a safety and it messed up, and it messed up the spread. So this is, I mean, like you said, this is, who knows where, how far this is gonna go. But at the end of the day, Tim, when it comes to this type of gambling, you can never be 100% because some people don't, won't be that careless when it comes to the wire fraud. It can be a cash thing. You can't stop cheating in sports, period. You can't. Right, and I think the, the next big scandal from here is gonna be at the college level. When you talk about a lot of these young kids who aren't gonna make it to that next level

• 52:46Patrick Bet-David?

  and make millions and millions of dollars, you know, you're gonna have some of these mob guys go up to them and say, hey, listen, the spread's 15, just win by 11, 12, or 13. Here's 50 grand. Let's do that three or four times this year before you graduate, so you don't leave here painless. You have money for your family. So I think that you're gonna find, you know, in the near future, something like that happening at the college level. Tim, back to NBA, I wanna understand the concept of tanking, whether it's in one game or in a season, because if this thing goes back to where I think it's going, I'm going down like, Vinny goes down the Epstein rabbit hole, I'm going down the, hey, how you doing, whoever's in the back over there? That's my girlfriend, Laura. How you doing? No worries, it's all good.

• 53:27Patrick Bet-David?

  The, so this thing, if you go back to 2023, Chauncey Billups, I believe, is not even the coach of Portland yet, but everybody's in the tanking Olympics for the greatest potential player that we've seen since LeBron, and this guy is Victor Wembieyama. We all know who this is. This guy just came out of the first game of the season, 7'4", put up 40 points, ridiculous player. How much of the tanking, they were, they were trying to get rid of Damian Lillard, or he was gonna go to Milwaukee, Giannis, how much of this has to do with tanking, trying to get the greatest player of this generation, Wembieyama, losing games? So the question is, how much of? This is tanking, Tim. Yep. You know, a lot of it's tanking. I mean, if you look at it over the years, the NBA hasn't been able to get rid of tanking. So it's something that they have to figure out. They have a lot of issues

• 54:12Patrick Bet-David?

  at hand between gambling and tanking and these players sitting out during, you know, the end of the year. So I think the NBA is really in a lot of trouble with a lot of different things and they need to work some things out, or this league's going to fall apart. It'd be like the 70s again, before Bird and Magic and Jordan became a part of the league. It's funny because i- if you notice when they brought Michael back to do the show that he's doing, is that a part of, hey, we kind of need the tension back? We need somebody to excite the generation? Who knows? But Tim, appreciate you for taking the time. I know probably everybody's reaching out to ask you. I saw you on News Nation as well. So appreciate you again for taking the time, buddy. You got it, pal. Anytime. Appreciate you calling me. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 54:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's what Stephen A. had to say about this. Rob, if you want to play this, because Stephen A. had a completely different take on this. And by the way, when I said Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA go to that, that's three days ago. So he knew he was coming. And he went on McAfee. And he talked about legalized betting to monitor. So nobody knew why Adam Silver, all of a sudden, is going on Pat McAfee. And then two days later, Cash does what he does. But here's what First Take Stephen A. had to say in regards to this. Go ahead, Rob.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  For one incident after another, have I said, Trump is coming. He's coming. I'm gonna say it on national television again. Bad Bunny is performing at the Super Bowl and all of a sudden you hearing Ice is gonna be there, looking to engage in mass deportations. The Super Bowl, disrupting things. Big night for the NBA. When Bianca put on a show, that has now been smeared because we're talking about this story. Okay? Remember, Trump has a long, long history connected to the world of sports because he had those casinos. Where do you think folks will come in half the time?

• 56:10Speaker 05

  I'm not talking about individuals. I'm talking about the culture. When people want to go to a casino, when people want to gamble, when people want to party, or whatever the case may be. This was his kind of connection to that. Why am I glad you're here, Monica? Because don't be surprised that the WNBA is-

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Next on his list. Because when you've got all of these protests that have been going out there and people that have been protesting against him and what have you. This man is coming. He's coming. And I've been saying it for a long time. And to me, this is the latest nugget of evidence that we're talking about right here. That's not to question the legitimacy of the case. We don't know. We're all sitting up here and we're saying that we don't know. He he he continues to say he's coming to the NBA, to WNBA, to NFL, to this, to a few different things. Vinny, where are you at with what Stephen A. is saying?

• 56:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, with all due respect, and I know he's probably gonna make a video going, Vinny, I don't give a what you think. I hear you, Vinny. Yeah, yeah. Well, I love I love Stephen A. like no joke to death, Pat, but this is a horrible, horrible take to think that Donald Trump, with all the stuff that he has going on, he is out there going, hey, go after the the NBA and make a case. No, no, no. Give me, give me a freaking break. You know why Cash Patel is involved? Because the mafia is involved. The Luquezi, Gambino, Genovese, Bonano. And by the way, let's just, let's all talk. This didn't start under Trump, Stephen A. This started under the Auto-Pen administration. This happened

• 57:41Patrick Bet-David?

  two years ago, and they're building a case. My beef is, listen, I'm not saying I can care less, but sports schmucks, all right, Virginia Gufray, her book came out, where she's saying, well-known prime minister and all these billionaires raped, sex trafficked, beat her, bloody, nobody else. Sports, sports, that's the real problem. And you know what? When it comes to it, I I understand why Stephen A. has to take this point. I understand. Tom, who owns ESPN? Disney. Who's his boss? I agree. Let me ask you another question, Tom. What did you know that, guess who just signed a deal recently?

• 58:18Patrick Bet-David?

  With the NBA from 2025-26 season to 2035 to 2036, 11 years, 76 billion dollars. Take a wild guess, Tom. Uh, yeah, ESPN that's currently sitting in the office going, man, I I don't know. Disney, yeah, Disney. So I I get it that he has to have this attitude, but to have, to say that Trump is purposely doing this to go after it, that's that's that's a stretch. Do not get me wrong. I want Trump to go after everybody, meaning the Brennans, the Obamas, the Hillary, the Comey. Good. I want that. I want accountability. I want retribution because we deserve it. But to have this, bro, this is, this goes back to the mafia. This goes back to sports.

• 59:02Patrick Bet-David?

  What clip do you have? What clip do you have of the way they were doing the gambling thing? Rob, do you have that? Pat, this is a POV through the glasses of how, because Chauncey and all these guys are accused of cheating in poker. These are the, like, the glasses. Seven million bucks. Watch this. These are the glasses, looking through the glasses of how you can look at the card. Ready for this? You wear sunglasses at the table? Look at that crap. Stop. Look at that, Pat. You're, you're cooked. You're cooked. There's a king, that's a three, that's a queen. You know who's betting, you know who's going all in. You, you know everything. You know what cards they have in their hands. Okay? And mind you, but again, put the Trump crap aside for two seconds. Everybody wants to go to Trump. Imagine all the livelihoods gone. Somebody that was like, oh, they're gonna win, they're gonna win.

• 59:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're cheating like that. They're throwing freaking games. ESPN, Pat, is this where ESPN took off the ESPN bet? Yeah. This is during the, can we play this, Rob? Can we play ESPN? Time and place. Oh, look, they, watch this on the bottom right. ESPN bet, they're talking about betting, and then all of a sudden, boom, they take it off. This is huge. This is huge. But again, going back to Trump, everything has to go to Trump. Did, did they break the law? Hold on. Did they break the law? Okay, we're gonna all find out. Was there cheating? Was there happening? If it's a yes, stop this Trump nonsense. Just come on. Move on. And good if he's coming. If they broke the law, good. Did you see Cash's response to Stephen A? Yeah, play Cash's response. Did you see Cash's response? But it's just a weak, it's, it's, come on, man. I love Stephen A, but Cash can't match your buddy. No, come on.

• 1:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like, while you're pulling it up, I can summarize. He goes, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. I've heard some dumb things. That is the dumbest accusation ever. Do you have it? Yeah, this is it.

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, down the street. By the way, this was so wild. Stephen A. Smith, the sports commentator, suggested that this was revenge from the president for all the kind of left-wing activism of the NBA. Your response to that, 15 seconds? I'm the FBI director. I decide which arrests to conduct and which not to conduct. That may be the single dumbest thing I've ever

• 1:01:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Heard out of anyone in modern history and I live most of my time in Washington DC. It's right up there with Adam Schiff. We arrest people for crimes.

• 1:01:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, let me ask you a question. I've got you honest question. Do you think, do you think, because yeah, LeBron, all them, BLM, bashing him, Popovich, everybody talking shit and bashing Trump for all the years. Do you think this was like on a list of stuff? And, and, and Trump said, yeah, you know what? Why don't you just? No. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. Like, like Trump, with all the shit that he's doing, with all the peace deals, with the border, with tariffs, he's sitting there worrying about the NBA. Bro, this is scraps. This is scraps, but this is still something serious where there's money involved and the mafia is back. Oh, yeah. What I think, the mafia, like you said, they retired. You think all the families went, oh,

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  because Giuliani came and did all this. No, no, those families are still around and they're still doing their thing. I want to get your perspective on the mafia for sure. I don't know if you, you know, if you've spoken to Michael or Sam or these guys, but let me give you my perspective on the NBA and I've spoken with some NBA friends of mine. And, you know, the NBA stands for National Basketball Association, also stands for no betting allowed, which, uh, nobody abides by. Uh, you know, you talk about bringing Michael Jordan back. This is the worst time to bring Michael Jordan back because the one blemish on his career was the alleged gambling thing that he did that led him to baseball for a few years. So that's very interesting, but the NBA definitely has a culture of gambling problem. Here's Shaq right here basically saying, listen, uh, someone who played 19 seasons in the league. I have teammates, uh, in Vegas and they clarified, I don't think I want to sit up here and be hypocritical

• 1:02:36Patrick Bet-David?

  about certain things. We've been on teams, we played cards, we played spades, we played tonk. Uh, I don't want to sit up here and act like I'm some perfect guy. And then I'll, I'll go to Vegas and I'll play some craps roulette. There's nothing wrong with gambling. The problem is where it gets sort of like masqueraded as like what's, what's right, what's wrong? What can you do? What can you not do? And then you have things like FanDuel, you have things like DraftKings, you have like fantasy. It's all sort of intermingled into the culture of sports and sports betting. But if I can be specific about Trump, the reason that Trump has no involvement in this is because there's been two separate operations ongoing for years. Operation which Chauncey Phillips is involved with is called Operation Royal Flush. And the mafia was involved in that. We can discuss that. The second investigation was somebody called Operation Nothing But Net,

• 1:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  which is the Terry Rozier and the Damon Jones thing, which is basically take the under in the bet because this guy ain't gonna do so good tonight. But the thing with Chauncey, it's interesting. You talked about it. It's all these like run by the mafia, these x-ray glasses, these special things that are going on, these signals. Chauncey, it would seem to me, by the way, if you ask me who my top five ever players ever, Chauncey would be in my top five. Isaiah Thomas, Chauncey Phillips, D Wade, straight up Miami and Detroit. Chauncey was nothing more than a bait of allure to get famous or I'm sorry, rich people to play in this game.

• 1:04:04Patrick Bet-David?

  In my opinion, I could be totally wrong. Chauncey's a complete pawn here. They said, come to the game. They call it a face card. We're gonna bring someone like Chauncey to come in. Like you said, you played with Vince Vaughn or what do you all these people, these names? So all these rich people, believe me, nobody's broke at this table. You're paying, you're playing $10,000 hands, $50,000 hands. You're losing 10 million bucks and you come back the next night. Some of these guys were excited to lose to a famous person like Chauncey. That's all, that's all, that's all operation. It was rigged. It was fixed. The second thing is a little weirder. Because now you're talking about actual players and actual games who are doing things potentially that are hindering the game. So Terry's one thing and I know Terry plays in Miami.

• 1:04:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I think we've already addressed that. So where are you going with this? Because we're rehashing the same thing three times. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you where it gets weird here. Tell us. The thing with Damon Jones, do you know the one thing that you could say about Damon Jones, his career? And most people have never even heard about him. He is a LeBron guy. He is as attached to LeBron as any player potentially. He played with Shaq in 2005, 2006, played for the Heat. Leaves the Heat, goes to play with LeBron, wins a championship. Sorry, goes to the finals with LeBron, I believe in 2007. And then I believe he was one of the coaches on the championship. But make your point, Adam. What's so special about this? So the point is, don't be shocked if this goes all the way to LeBron. And I'm not saying LeBron had anything to do with it. But don't be shocked if LeBron's name comes up.

• 1:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  And whatever LeBron is working on trying to get a team in Vegas, gets severely affected by his relationship with Damon Jones. Yeah, so the part where, what Stephen A. is saying is that I agree with. Is not that this is Trump's doing. Yeah, I think the investigation started two years ago. And all of a sudden now it's coming up to a point like this. But the part with Trump, you know, with the FBI talking about this? When Tim Donahue got caught, was it FBI going on the public and announcing it? I don't know. I don't know what the case study is with that. But do I think Cash called and said, hey, here's what we just found out? Should we do a press conference or not do a press conference? Do I think Trump would say do a press conference? Yeah, I think Trump would say do a press conference. You think Cash is doing that press conference without getting approval by Trump?

• 1:06:14Patrick Bet-David?

  No way in the world. Trump's gonna give the approval on that press conference. And on top of that, with the whole thing when, you know, Trump, NBA Finals, everything that was going on with COVID, all that stuff. BLM. Yeah, all that BLM and, you know, end racism bullshit that they kept reigniting racism. Yeah, I think that part, remember LeBron called the president a bum. Bum. Don't forget that. LeBron called the president a bum. Okay? A bum. So guess what? You know, yeah, the president has a very quick, long memory. He's gonna remember when you said that, you know, a bum after Steph Curry. Is that, is this Snopes or where are you on Rob? Is this? BBC. BBC, there you go. Yeah, he called him a bum after the whole Steph Curry thing.

• 1:06:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So great, if that's what you want to do. Michael never did that Kobe never did that magic never did that you're the first one that wants to do you the face of the league and you're using the me to do this no wonder today I'm in the car talking to my guy and my guy is saying the fact that he can't wait for the day that LeBron retires and leaves the game you know he made the game worse for the NBA so I I think that part with Trump you make Trump an enemy I saw a clip yesterday of Dana White I love what Dana says I fully related with Dana White said he says I am a very good friend very good friend I'm a very good person to be friends with but if you want to be my enemy I'm also very good at that okay

• 1:07:39Patrick Bet-David?

  you want to be an enemy of Trump he will never ever forget until he gets his vengeance or an apology one of the two the apology quick you move on and the NBA has not been friends with Trump let's face it the NBA has not been that friendly to him so in that part of the context I do think there's something there that the president wouldn't be happy about it but anyways let's go to the next story here uh uh uh on uh what's going on with this time I'm gonna come to you with this one is the ballroom okay but play the clips of the ballroom Rob so the East Wing uh at the White House they demolished it and people are losing

• 1:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  their minds of what's going on over here oh my God look what he's doing he's doing it with the taxpayer money Rob if you have any of these clips here that you're going through you know who is paying for Trump's White House ballroom page 10 you know there's these clips is this him by the way that Trump comments so everybody's like he's gonna be doing this and then all of a sudden here's what the president had to say go ahead Rob

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  I thought I'd bring this out because this is going to be probably the finest ballroom ever built and we're doing it no cost to the country it's being put in the money's being put in by me and donors uh very great patriots actually and the spirit

• 1:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  On the building of it is amazing. We are using little sections of footings and various other things, but that's sort of irrelevant. In order to do it properly, we had to take down the existing structure. The way it was shown, it looked like we were touching the White House. We don't touch the White House. That's a bridge, a last bridge going from the White House to the ballroom. Then you get into the lobby of the ballroom, and then you go into the magnificent, the main room. And it's something that has gotten incredible reviews. Okay, so that's, let me read this to you. So it's a 250 million dollar project. Mystery continues to swirl around the identities of the wealthy donors of corporations paying for groundbreaking for the ornate 90,000 square foot.

• 1:09:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Project began on Monday with excavators and construction workers tearing out portions of the east wing. The president has said that he personally will pay for it. The funding model has sparked concerns for amongst some legal experts who say it may amount to paying for access to the administration. I view the enormous ballroom as an ethics nightmare. Richard Painter, a former chief ethics lawyer in Bush's White House between 05 and 07, told the BBC, "It's using access to the White House to raise money. I don't like it." He added, "These corporations all want something from the government." A dinner for potential donors held at the White House on October 15 included senior executives of prominent US companies, including Blackstone, OpenAI, Microsoft, Coinbase, Palantir, Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and others."

• 1:10:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's what they're saying. Now, some people, by the way, if you can show what it looks like, Rob, the construction that it started, there's actually, if you see it, I mean, they're already... They're gone. They're going. Good. Yeah, it's not even a, it's not even a, you know... Oh, there it is. Yeah, right there. It's not even something that is like, they're thinking about doing it in 2026, they're thinking about doing it in 2028. Nope, they're at it. And you just have to picture what they're thinking about building right there. So the demolition, demolition is taking place on the east wing over there. And while this is happening, everybody, President Trump is doing this to the White House. Tom, share this with us.

• 1:11:05Patrick Bet-David?

  If you go to whitehouse.gov/renovations, this is what you will see on the White House website. I mean, this is like the ultimate troll. This man is using the White House website to troll other people. Watch this, brace for it. If you're driving, pull over. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:11:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So. So that's rebuilding. Rebuilding after World War, uh, eighteen twelve. Thank you, British. Edition of, uh, South Puerto Rico. Okay, edition of North. North Puerto Rico. Okay. Nice. Keep going, very nice. West Wing. So far, everything is good. Oval Office. Oval Office. They've always been building. Rose Garden, East Wing. Beautiful. Total reconstruction. Nice. The briefing room, the Clinton scandal. Muslim Brotherhood. Tennis pavilion. Called Kindergarten.

• 1:11:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Trans Day of Visibility. Northern South Side. Rose Garden renovations, Oval Office renovations, East Wing renovations. He is the funniest. I'll tell you. Guy ever. He just trolled these people. The fact is, everybody forgets when, um, Obama tore up a, a corner of what was out there because he wanted a, a better basketball court. Sure. And some pipes. Richard Nixon put a, um, bowling alley down in, down in the basement where there was some other officer areas, things were moved around. The one thing that's been constant about the White House, it's just been, it's been an evolving state of change. For security, there were these rumors of that there is a large, um, underground, uh,

• 1:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  that's been built there bunker because they said there was all this dirt coming out and there was this area they've been working on, working on, working on. And by the way, if there's the secure room and, and that down underneath, you know what? The American people, we need that. We need to protect the guy when we've got, uh, war. But change has been constant, improvement have been constant. Nobody is talking about the objective discussions when Obama and Biden had tents because more and more people are coming to events. They put tents on the lawn like the, like the Goldberg bar mitzvah on Fisher Island. Whoa, whoa, whoa, you were there? Yes, I was there. I, I gave Irving the, uh, envelope for his kid.

• 1:13:21Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's basically you, you've got these and people were saying at the time, can't we do something better? And, but guess what? Did it get headlines in the news? No. This is actually what happened when Obama did it for three hundred and seventy-six. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  It sounds like you're building another wing to the White House, but we appreciate you keeping your focus. You can't even imagine TJ, it's gonna happen for the next two years. All of the banging, the jackhammering, the dust, the confusion, the noise. Of all places to do construction, it's happening right here, the front lawn of the White House.

• 1:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Gushing, yes. It's a four-year renovation project. Estimated cost, $376 million. Taxpayer.

• 1:14:02Speaker 05

  That is not your building. You don't own that building, that is the people's building, you don't own it.

• 1:14:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, applause. That's witness. Okay. So that's the view, that's the view talking about Trump right now. And the clips everyone saw was all the renovation that Obama did. But I think what's appropriate is where Don Jr. here reminds Hillary Clinton, that's not your spoon. Bring it back to the White House, go ahead Rob. Here we go.

• 1:14:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Democrats freaking out about it is absolutely insane. I think the greatest irony that I saw in all of this was Hillary Clinton talking about it being the people's house. Hillary Clinton, who with her husband, literally had to return furniture and silverware that they stole from the White House. That was actually the property of the people. They took it with them after their term. They had to return it because people caught them stealing the furniture. You know, she's the one that's leading the charge complaining about this thing. It's absolutely nuts. This is for the betterment of the property. It costs the American taxpayer nothing and it's gonna add value, not just to my father's presidency, but to every president after him, because it's gonna take some time to build.

• 1:15:13Tom Ellsworth?

  The reality is every president after him will get much more use and much more benefit from this incredible addition to the White House.

• 1:15:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I love, Donald Trump, Donald, the president has them jumping from here. And by the way, that Obama's was in 2012. 2009, almost 400 million dollars of taxpayer money during a recession. That's correct. Mind you, Trump is doing this with his money and his donor money. Everyone has done something. Point one, point two, this time it's costing the taxpayer zero. Zero money. So I just cry me a freaking river. You know what the Democrats should be doing? But give the spoon back. Yeah, you know what Democrats should be doing, Tom? How about open up the government again? Okay, who get Hakeem Jeffries, everybody has something to say. People like my sister are literally home, furloughed, not getting paid, and they voted yesterday not to pay them anything. Your sister is a government, uh, hardworking IRS employee.

• 1:16:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, she works for freaking, uh, the Space Force, and she's unemployed right now. She's sitting around because these idiots, this is what they worried about. He's doing construction, it's the people. How about shut up, get back in there and open up the government? That's what matters, Pat. I don't give, again, this is a nothing burger. Who gives a damn? Let him make it better, okay? He's making it better for the next president. Hopefully it'll never be another Democrat, but we know it's gonna happen. But look, this is them. They shut down yesterday again, and they refuse to pay the people that are not working for the government. It's just stupid. Adam. Stupid. Well, listen, just when I thought someone was gonna give Trump a little bit of credit after the Middle East peace deal, just a little bit of glimmer of hope, of actually being conciliatory and some reconciliation and actually

• 1:16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  giving credit where credit's due, you know, they just end up doing a 180 and complete crap. That's why they're screaming. Yeah. If there's one thing, if there's one thing that you can at least give Trump credit for, whether you're political, apolitical, doesn't matter, the dude builds nice things. I mean, we've stayed at Trump Hotel, we've been to Trump Tower, we've spent time at Mar-a-Lago. Whether you like him or not, every single one of his properties is ridiculous. Five-star to the fullest extent. It may have some gold toilets, but there's nothing wrong with that. The dude knows how to build. So the fact that he's leading the charge on building a potential wing. He knows what he's doing. This is his space. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. But you know who's a, you know Tom's four? She's actually leading the charge.

• 1:17:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I heard about that. I don't want to bring it up, but I heard about that. You don't want to talk about it. What is this? This was something that actually Tony Robbins, when he was on stage at the vault, talked about the vitriol and the trolling that's going on in our politics. He goes, guys, you think this is new? You think Trump invented this? And I don't know if you could punch in a little bit. He said, our campaigns have always been this ugly. And he gives this story about how I think it was, um, Thomas Jefferson and, uh, John Adams, I believe. He's empowering mistresses. Saying if you elect Thomas Jefferson, murder, robbery, rape, incest and adultery will be practiced throughout the land. That's on the left side. Well, we gotta practice to get it right. Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames, your female chastity violated,

• 1:18:12Patrick Bet-David?

  or your children writhing on the pike? This is what,

• 1:18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  John Adams said about Thomas Jefferson. And then Thomas Jefferson said, John Adams, on the other hand, is importing his busy importing mistresses from Europe or trying to marry one of his sons to the daughter of King George. It's a hideous, uh, form of character and neither the force or firmness of a man nor the gentleness of a sensibility of a woman. So they're basically saying you're murdering, you're raping. So we've seen this vitriol. Well, you have to get it on a piece of paper. So anybody who's like, oh my God, I can't believe Trump is doing this. I guess this is sort of written in our DNA as Americans. So the founding fathers had trash talk games. Yeah, trolling. Tom, when you voted for Thomas Jefferson, why did you vote for Jefferson? I was here too young for that. And I was down the hall in the restroom when they were saying these things.

• 1:19:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is here's Brett Baer confronting Governor JB Pritzker from Chicago, from Illinois over Chicago having the highest murder rate. And his response, Brett is almost confused. Like, what do you mean? You're not even in the top 30. Go ahead, Rob. Chicago have the highest murder rate of all the big cities. Well, we are not in the top 30, uh, in terms of our murder rate. Indeed, our murder rate, our murder rate has been cut in half over the last four years and every year. It's gone down by double digits. Boom. And if you look at all of the violent crime over the last four years.

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Not violent crime.

• 1:19:34Patrick Bet-David?

  They've all gone down.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  U.S. cities, seventeen point forty-seven per hundred thousand population.

• 1:19:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Damn.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  Chicago is number one.

• 1:19:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Three times LA.

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Los Angeles, New York, and San Diego.

• 1:19:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm explaining to you is when you want to fight crime. Look, you can pull statistics up.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  No, no, these are murders.

• 1:19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm explaining to you that our murder rate has been cut in half. And, very importantly, Brett, and you gotta hear this. Very importantly, we've been doing the things that are necessary to bring crime down, right? We've invested in community violence interruption. Well, you notice that? So if he cut it in half, and now it's at seventeen, it was almost forty, forty points. Like, this guy's a joke. He's a joke. You know, this is, this is words talk, numbers scream. And this is when a politician doesn't want to talk about those numbers. I'd rather talk about these numbers. You know, murders are still number one. No, no, no. And what he wanted to do, and folks, during election year, always listen to the numbers very, very carefully. He wanted to change the dialogue to talk about violent crime and say, well, that's

• 1:20:36Patrick Bet-David?

  gone down as a parry, to come back and say Brett was wrong. But it's not. The, the numbers are screaming. It's hanging around, um, uh, J.B. Pritzker's neck. This is something. Now, if they've improved it, good, but not good enough.

• 1:20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, thoughts? Well, I, I don't remember who I was saying the other day, but it was a very insightful take on the, maybe the difference between a Gavin Newsom and a J.B. Pritzker. I, I forget who it was, and I'll give them credit if I remember. Hundred and fifty pounds. What's that? You said, what's the difference between the two? That's true. That's it. That's the end of the joke. The, uh, they said, uh, you have to give, you have to understand something about, uh, Newsom. Newsom's playing the political game. He, he, if he thinks it's politically expedient to go left, he'll go left, he'll go right, he'll change his position, he'll flip-flop. He goes, J.B. Pritzker is a true, true progressive believer. There's no reframing him. He's a billionaire who's basically a progressive.

• 1:21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, it, maybe Mark Benioff, I don't know who else would fall in this category. But he didn't earn the money. Correct me if I'm wrong, I could be wrong on this. J.B. Pritzker, Pritzker is part of the Pritzker legacy billionaire Hyatt family, that I believe was started by his grandfather. JB Pritzker, I don't think had to really work a day in his life to get this kind of money. This is hand me down from family and I'm sure he's done his thing to amplify the money. But it's very interesting when you're a billionaire, but you're also a far, far, far left progressive. I don't understand that novelty right there. Yeah, as a member of the Pritzker family, a wealthy owned business, family goes back decades. Adam, where are you going? I'm just saying that JB is not going to change. He is a firm, firm, firm believer in what he believes in.

• 1:22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is just downstream that the murder rate in Chicago has been cut at half, but it's still top 10 in the league if you ask me. You know, maybe, maybe. I don't know if it has or hasn't. He didn't produce the numbers. That's just something he said. By the way, can you ask Grok, Rob, if on any one of the videos that Pritzker was on, go on any one of the videos, no, no, just go on any of the tweets that Pritzker is saying what he's saying, somebody probably said, Grok, is this true? That it's split in half right there. Can you go to that and then go to bottom? I guarantee you somebody put Grok, is this true or not? And somebody probably just put at Grok, that's what you want to find. So what I'm trying to find out is, okay, so if you're not seeing it, can you, can you

• 1:23:01Patrick Bet-David?

  just take that clip and then put it in Grok and ask, is it true that this happened or no? Is it true that the crime rate in Illinois split in half based on what Pritzker is saying?

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• 1:24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Murder rate, he said the murder rate.

• 1:24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Because, because what it, what is going to be interesting for me is 2027, I can't wait to see the primary on the Democratic side. Like, how are they gonna hold each other accountable? Yeah, exactly. I can't wait to see the Democratic, uh, uh, Rob, are you asking Grok or? I am, I'm looking, I'm trying to upload the clip, but I can just do this. How do you mean, hold each other accountable? And the words I agree with there, Pat, is each other, because there's gonna be a ton of them on stage throwing mud. Oh, we have to upload the clip is? Yeah, it was asking me to, but here, I'm just gonna fact check it with Grok with the tweet. Yeah, it's probably the fastest way to do it, because when these guys are on stage, Pritzker's on stage, Newsom's on stage, AOC may be on stage, couple of the other people are gonna be on

• 1:25:03Patrick Bet-David?

  stage, what are they gonna be saying? Like, how, uh, who's, how are they gonna call each other out? It's gonna be a softball interview? Are they gonna go for each other's throat? I'm assuming they will, they have to, right? They don't have the choi- a choice to do it. So, in this thing, if you look at LA crime versus Chicago, Chicago's three times LA. Did you see that? Chicago was 17.47. It's 4.6. Yeah, LA was 6.5 or something like that, so, you know. Finally, some good news out of California. Yeah, i- i- it's gonna be interesting when they go after the debate and how they do it. But if Pritzker keeps these numbers like this by 2027, 2028, and it doesn't improve, it may work against him. By the way, even if Trump goes with National Guard in Chicago and they

• 1:25:47Patrick Bet-David?

  help clear the stats, it's only gonna help him in the election for 2027. I don't know if that makes sense or not. So, say Trump come, no, government personnel claimed that murder rate has been cut in half, it's inaccurate, whether referring to Chicago or the state of Illinois as a whole, I'll break you down with data below. So, go to 2009, 518 and a half, 2020, 28, 9, 29, 5, 26, uh, 5, 22, 8, 21, 2. And there is nothing in there. So, go a little bit lower, population 2.7, so the peak 28, it dropped 21, 4 out of 100,000. Pritzker's administration highlights progress of the pandemic, but cut in half phrase overstays the reduction since he took office in 2019, 16% higher than it was in 2019, pre-pandemic.

• 1:26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  And so, nothing about what he said there was true. Pat, is, is JB Pritzker, that family, that family goes deep, that family, um...

• 1:26:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Anybody that's read Whitney Webb's books, bro, the one nation under blackmail? The Pritzker family goes back. I'm curious, Rob, is Thomas Pritzker, the guy that was alleged by Virginia Giuffre for getting trafficked and forced to have sex with her? Is that the cousin of Thomas Pritzker, Virginia Giuffre, JB? Is that the same family? Pritzker, I mean, how many Pritzkers are there? Is that the same Pritzker that I think she said that she was forced? This is her words, God rest her soul, that Thomas Pritzker documents were unsealed. Yeah, Virginia Giuffre. Oh, okay, so that's the family. That's where his family is. It's the Hyatt family. Yeah, but still, that's still his, I just keep hearing that name, like, through blackmail and the history of the country and Virginia Giuffre and sex trafficking.

• 1:27:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And then this guy with his attitude and, you know, making 100, 1.4 million dollars in Vegas. Going, yeah, I just, I just wanted the best run in the history of, come on. I just, I just. I agree with you, and I think you probably want to move on, but I agree with you. The first four primaries are going to be, if the order stays and they don't manipulate the order of primaries, Democrat primaries will be New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada. In New Hampshire, it's all about liberal values. In Iowa, it's all about the economy and the plight of the farmer. In South Carolina, it was about crime and tax. And in Nevada, it was about the overall economy. So the first thing you're going to see, they don't even get to a blue state where you have to talk about some of this, Pat.

• 1:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  So in other words, they're just going to be spinning in BS for those first four primaries. And then suddenly, they're going to have a head-on collision with reality with coming into states where people care about crime and immigration. And good luck, you better have an answer when that shows up. Back to your point, Vinny, JB Pritzker, I think, is the richest, wealthiest elected official in the country. And downstream of that is, has anything been more corrupt from what we've heard about coming out of Chicago? Whether it was the Senate seat in Obama, whether it was our friend Blagojevich, the former governor, who served some time in jail. Vote early and often. Yeah, so Chicago is as corrupt as it gets. And here's just sort of downstream of where that sort of stems from.

• 1:28:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's go to page 11 here on the next story I want to get to is this is exactly this is going to be a two-part story I'll get into. This is exactly when Christianity will be toppled as religious majority in America as Islam rises. Daily Mail story for decades, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance was a daily reminder that the US was one nation under God, but the Christian faith that once defined American values is on track to lose its majority status by 27. According to Pew Research, 62% Americans say that Christians now compare to around 90% in 1970. Damn, that is a 28% drop-off. If the current trend continues, Pew projects it could fall to 46% by 270, a decline that as Pastor Brent Madris and other religious leaders sounding the alarm.

• 1:29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Madris of Hometown Hope Ministries called for an urgent call for church renewal on his blog, warning that Christian communities have taken their eyes off the ball. The decline comes from as other religions, most notably Islam, continue to grow in the US. There are roughly 100,000 Mormon Muslims annually, while there are around 2 million fewer Christians. Muslims still remain a small minority with around 4 million followed compared to 200 million Christians, but their commitments are shaping differently on the ground. The number of mosques increased 31% from 2010 to 2020, from 2106 to 2769. According to the Islamic Resource Center, meanwhile, roughly 1,500 Christian churches closed during that same period. Islam's growth in the US being fueled by Muslims currently has a younger median age

• 1:30:21Patrick Bet-David?

  of 35 versus 54 for Christians, suggesting youth adherence could accelerate the religion growth in 2017. The center estimated immigration was also involved driving the boom. And in February, CBS found that tens of thousands of Americans in prison convert to Islam every year. Adam, thoughts? Well, Christians, I'm rooting for you guys. Because if you don't wake up and actually get it together. Uh, there's a little religion that's, uh, started in the Middle East around, uh, 600 something AD. And they're coming for you, buddy. Because what I will respect about Islam, they are not shy. They will tell you straight to your face on a microphone.

• 1:31:02Patrick Bet-David?

  In public, we are coming, we're trying to take over, we're trying to do Sharia law, we're trying to do jihad. We're coming to take your churches and turn them into mosques. They've said it on camera with a microphone, it's not a secret. So for me, you see Islam rising, Christianity fading. And everyone wants to focus on the Jews who are less than 1% of the world. So to me, I would love to see Christians have a revival. We've seen sort of a stopgap with people start after Charlie Kirk, what happened, God, God forbid, you know, uh, God bless. Going to church again, reading the Bible again, becoming more religious. But the trend was going so far down that it almost had to stop at some point. But America is a Christian country founded on Judeo-Christian values.

• 1:31:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And I think a lot of people have issues with things like, uh, the call to prayer five, five times a day. Certain, uh, Texas Governor Abbott just banned Sharia law. You're gonna start seeing these things pop up. The most tangible, palpable thing that bothers me is when you have someone like Ilhan Omar, a Somali Muslim. Attack the President of the United States or attack someone like Charlie Kirk and said that he will be, uh, forgotten in the dustbins of history. To me, that is so disrespectful and disgusting. And she has the right to do that because she married her brother or something happened and now she's a senior congressman in Little Mogadishu, Somalia, Minnesota. But that is the, that is the prime example of what people are scared of the United States.

• 1:32:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Someone like Ilhan Omar running the country over someone like Charlie Kirk and it is concerning. I think that, I think that stat is actually, is right, Pat. And it's not because Islam is taking over, it's because Christians stopped fighting for what they believed in, okay? It gets me sick to my stomach that we help everybody all over the world. BLM goes in the streets for a freaking junkie crackhead. Who held a gun to a pregnant girl's stomach, burned down the whole city. But when you have actually black lives getting murdered and massacred in Nigeria, where are they at? Where's the marching? Where's the burning down? Where's, where's the attitude? Okay? And look around, Pat. I know you, we, we see it. God is erased in everything. Every time you talk about God, it's out of schools, it's out of courts.

• 1:33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Like people used to bow their heads at games and stuff like that. Now they just bow their needs for that, for that woke BS. Okay. And we got like, you have a Muslim guy that's about to take over New York. You talked about Minneapolis. Okay. They're getting swallowed by moral decay and still Christians. What are they, what are they doing, Tom? Just quiet. And let's be clear, guys. Islam is not the problem. Like you said, their people are committed. They pray, they teach, they stand. The problem is us. It's the Christians who've been ashamed of their own faith. Okay. The ones who are too afraid to speak up because they're busy chasing comfort instead of conviction. I'm telling you, Pat, that number, and again, people are like, well, you guys are going to be dead. Who gives a damn? No, no, that's not. If we don't stand up now, if we don't stand up now, I'm telling you,

• 1:33:56Patrick Bet-David?

  your kids and your kids' kids are going to be screwed. Done deal. Fifty-four, thirty-five. That's the age difference, which means they're younger like Maldonys. Yep. There's a bunch of, a bunch of Maldonys that are coming up that they're going to be inspiring more Maldonys and gradually taking over the number one financial capital in the world, New York City, which is a quite of a big deal. Can you imagine if you were a strategist for Muslim church and you said, I want to find a way to take over America? What city should we target? Why don't we target the financial capital of the world, New York City? And they're about to get it. Yep. So guess what? Whoever that strategist was, you're doing a great job. You're making progress. Here's Mehdi Hassan, a story by Daily Caller, and then Tom, I'm going to come to you on this story.

• 1:34:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Mehdi Hassan has a tantrum as Americans inform him they don't want Islamic call to prayer in their neighborhoods. This is a Daily Caller story. Rob, if you want to play the clip, here's Mehdi Hassan.

• 1:34:49Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that if you can play church bells, you can pray the call to prayer. We are as American as anyone else and don't take any BS from anyone.

• 1:34:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at that, that, that's such BS. That was a short clip. Do you have a longer clip of that? That was the only clip. That I can find. Oh, no, there's, there's a, there's a one minute version of that on that clip that I think it's good for everybody to see because I want him to say the rest of it. So you kind of hear where he's going with that. But former MSNBC media is on last shadow Americans against the defense of Islamic prayer. The Islamic call to prayer is broadcast five times daily and serves as a prominent auditory reminder of faith across Muslim communities. So some went on extended rant on ex blasting that he called right wing intolerance and claiming Muslim Americans face growing hostility from conservatives. I think that if you can play church bells, Hassan can be heard saying in a video that was circulated

• 1:35:39Patrick Bet-David?

  on social media. Republican Texas Representative Brandon Gill quoted the video showing Hassan making those comments on the same day sparking an exchange between two Hassan responded by pointing out that Gill's wife is Indian American and the daughter of an immigrant, the congressman, father in law's prominent Christian conservative documentary filmmaker, Dinesh D'Souza. Gill, in return, responded to Hassan, pointing out that his wife is a Christian who doesn't want to hear your oppressive Muslim prayer calls. So is that, is that the longest one you see, Rob? There's not a longer one on that? Is that it? Tom, what do you have with this? What are you thinking with this? So if you look at the numbers and you draw a chart, you get exactly the conclusion that they're presenting. And really, you have to put in front of it, if the current trends continue at this date,

• 1:36:24Patrick Bet-David?

  you will have more Muslims, self identified Muslims than self identified Christians in America. Okay, yeah, you can draw it that way. But that means everything stays the same. But things aren't necessarily staying the same. A study by the Barna Group last year and the year before says that there are more youth conversions to Christ and Christianity in the US than there are older people. But there is an older group. So the average age, as the article correctly points out, is higher. It's the, it's the war for the youth. And there are signs of definitive change coming. But we need to cultivate it. We need to encourage it. And we need to push it harder. And

• 1:37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  we need to be intentional about it. Five calls to prayer a day is very intentional.

• 1:37:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Getting those clerics and everything and pushing so hard on cities, that's very intentional. Christians need to be equally intentional, but what's very interesting is those younger generations are turning in greater numbers than the older generations. So if all holds constant, we're gonna go there. We're gonna go right where the article says. But if we, we have to drive and we have to be as intentional and we have to be as caring. And why are we doing it? We're not doing it because we want more people to eat chicken versus beef and some arbitrary decision. That's not what it is. This is a war for eternity and a war for souls.

• 1:37:51Tom Ellsworth?

  And so if we want to be, you know, the, the great commissions in Matthew 28, that the very, very last thing that Jesus says, "Go into all the world," he says, "share my name, convert people, baptize them, and tell them everything as I've commanded you." And so he's like, "Go, make, baptize, teach, obey." Those are the verbs in Matthew 28. And so are we taking that seriously? Are we being intentional? Things are happening with the youth. Charlie Kirk was having a huge and positive impact on the youth. Perhaps the tragedy is like Romans 8:28. "I will make good out of every situation for my own purposes, and it may not be good as you define it on earth." So if this, nothing changes, Pat. The article's right.

• 1:38:36Tom Ellsworth?

  But we have to be intentional and push, and it, and there are things that are happening that we need to ride on and push even harder.

• 1:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is, this is the Mehdi Hassan who tweeted, but took it down because he's a coward. "Make Americas, uh, make American planes crash again." Do you remember that? This is who he is. And Mehdi, if you don't like it, and guess what, you, people, your, your, your Muslim prayer, I'll guess what? Go back to England where you're from. That place is basically becoming just Muslim. If that's what you want, go there. This is a Christian nation, okay?

• 1:39:06Tom Ellsworth?

  London and Stan, they call it.

• 1:39:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, no, I'm sorry, bro. Go, go, go do your nonsense over there and talk in all that crap here. No. I'm not, I'm not playing that game. Christians need to stand up, bro. And because they think like, no, God- It'll take care of it. No, no, it's our job. By the way, ju- just, just, basic data, Tom. Nothing more, nothing less. Muslims are having more kids, okay? Muslims are playing offense. Muslims are extremely intolerant. God forbid you say something about them. The guy in Dearborn said, "I cannot wait for you to be kicked out of the city or leave the city. And on that day, I will make a parade and celebrate." Yup. And didn't even apologize about it, right? You remember that guy that, uh, in Dearborn that's taking place? You got Ilhan Omar, you got Rashida Tlaib, you got, uh, uh, uh, uh, Mamdani, New York City.

• 1:39:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You pull up in other countries that are Muslim majority countries. Many of these countries, you can't run for office. You can't go become a- As a Christian. You cannot, as a Christian. So, but in America, we're a little bit too tolerant in this. And by the way, numbers work against you. Fully work against you. If you want to be okay with this, it's inevitable that if they have more kids and more people come here and they're not like pro-America, like it's not like, "Let me do what the Western way of doing business is." No, no, I want to impose my way of thinking. If you tolerate it, eventually, there's gonna be a fall. And what you're seeing right now with UK will very simply happen here.

• 1:40:36Patrick Bet-David?

  It, it, the biggest challenge in life sometimes is, you see somebody else is going through something. I'll never forget, one of my guys had a very public divorce, and it was nasty. Another guy came up to me and he said, "Well, you see what happened? That was your boy. Look what he's doing. He was a Christian this, he was a Christian that, and da-da-da-da-da. I told you, da-da-da." All this stuff that the guy's saying about the other guy. Be careful. I said, "Be very careful bragging about the fact that you think you have a better life, because it's gonna come back to you." Exactly a couple of years later, the same thing happened to him. Exactly a couple of years later, the same thing happened to him. Life is a very weird thing. So, if we're sitting here, watching everything that's going on in UK, it'll never happen to us? 20, 30 years later? How the hell did it happen to you? Were you not blind? Did you not see what was taking place?

• 1:41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's get to next story here. Next story here I want to talk about is what's happening with China, Russia, together. This is very interesting what's going on here. Trump, "It was time for Russia sanctions." Putin meeting, "Didn't feel right." Rob, I think you may have a clip on this one here, okay? And what this has to do with China is very important. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:41:43Tom Ellsworth?

  We canceled the meeting with President Putin. It just, it didn't feel right to me. As you know, we are going to be making a big trip next week. Some of you are going with us. We'll be going to Malaysia, South Korea, and Japan. In South Korea, I'll be meeting with President Xi of China. We have a pretty long meeting scheduled. We can work out a lot of our questions and our doubts and our tremendous assets together. So, we look forward to that. I think something will work out. We have a very good relationship, but that'll be a big one. We canceled the meeting with President Putin. It just, it didn't feel right to me. It didn't feel like we were going to get to the place we have to get, so I canceled it. But we'll do it in the future.

• 1:42:26Speaker 05

  Mr. President, you said, as recently as yesterday, that you still believe that Putin wants to end the war. And today, you took this step to ratchet the sanctions and put more pressure on him. What else are you going to do to encourage him to get there? Or can you explain why you do believe Putin wants peace?

• 1:42:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, it's a good question. Today is a very big day in terms of what we're doing. Look, these are tremendous sanctions. These are very big. Those are against their two big oil companies. And we hope that they won't be on for long. We hope that the war will be settled.

• 1:42:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, listen, he's imposing, right? He's fully imposing with this. And Trump implemented sanctions, Russian oil companies, as the peace talks stall. While he's doing this, everybody's wondering, saying, what's the big deal with this? Well, guess who they were selling oil to? And who they were doing business with? Weird. Immediately, story comes out. Exclusive, China state oil majors suspend Russian oil buys due to sanctions. Weird. So now you went from what's going on with Russia to now China. And now China is saying, listen, Vladimir, I like you. We're friends. We're part of BRICS. But dude, that guy's crazy. That guy's crazy on the other side. And I don't want to mess with him. And

• 1:43:42Patrick Bet-David?

  you better find a way to stop this war as well, because he's making our life a living hell. Hell, yeah. I'm telling you right now. Tom, what do you think's going on over here? I'll tell you what's going on over here. Scott Besson is over There that says, well, the big guy will be here next week and I think we're going to talk about some trade things and China's still playing the long game, Pat. They're still playing the long game, but the moves that are being made right here, they gotta make some moves. And so there they they there's what's called the big four in China, Petro China, Sinopek, Sinoc and Zenhai. Those are the four big oil companies in China. Think of that as, Vinnie, think of it this way, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil and Shell. Okay. Like that, like in the US, right? You're like, well, you know, and by the way, Royal

• 1:44:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Shell is Royal Dutch, but it's like the majors. They're like, no, we're not going to buy it. We're not going to buy it, which means what does Putin not have? Money. Because Putin's drilling for oil. Nobody's. Selling it selling it to China. Well, why does he need that? Well, so he can keep his economy going and he can keep the the war going. And so this is a squeeze. And so what has happened here is next week in Korea, you're going to have Trump sit down with Xi and one of the things that they and now Xi, I think, wants to start on kind of a good note. So he's like, hey, you put the sanctions on them, we stop buying. Now, China

• 1:45:03Patrick Bet-David?

  is very weasely and so they're they're not changing that. But they are definitely trying to make nice and to make things look a little bit good, Pat, in advance of sitting down with the big dog in Korea next week. That's what's going on. Adam. So here's what we've learned over the last handful of years in terms of this like alliance of of deplorables, if you will. China is everybody's daddy. We thought that Iran was capable. Turns out that Iran ate anything. I mean, they're done. We thought that Russia was a world superpower, especially militarily. They can't even beat Ukraine.

• 1:45:46Patrick Bet-David?

  China's the real boss. China's Russia's daddy. I believe that China buys almost 50% of the Russian oil. Let me give you a quick breakdown right here. Of China's, of Russian gas, 47% go to China. It's almost half Russia's business. A large percentage, 38%, go to India. And then you have another collectively 10, 12% that goes to the EU, that goes to Turkey, that goes to other things. We even heard Trump say like, what the hell's wrong with the EU? You're buying Russian oil and you're helping to fund, bless you PBD. You're helping to fund the war that you're fighting against. It makes no sense.

• 1:46:29Patrick Bet-David?

  But if China actually cuts off Russian oil and responds to these sanctions, this is where Russia makes their money. So they're the number one client of China when it comes to. And by the way, what this is showing is, this is showing that one guy's calling all the shots in the world. And that's it. Everybody's calling. Bibi Netanyahu? The shot caller is Trump, period. The shot caller is Trump. Everybody is sitting there saying, you know, hey, we see Kissinger, Brandon and I were talking the other day, a couple of days ago, this thing keeps hitting this, so maybe back up a little bit. Kissinger said, Brandon and I were talking about Kissinger. Kissinger said, between the two countries, Russia and China, you can't have all three be allies.

• 1:47:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Pick and choose one of them. It's two against one. It's never going to be all three together. So you have to either be UN pro-China being together against Russia, or UN Russia being together against China. Whether this is true strategic or not, it's indifferent. You said the United States could not. Yeah, no, you have to be either UN China and Russia's the enemy, or UN Russia and China's the enemy. It's gotta be like this. It's never gonna happen where it's all three. You have to find a way to keep a little bit of the rivalry between the two. There it is. Yeah, US sought to exploit the rivalry between the two adversaries, Soviet and the people of China, in his own position. Triangular diplomacy, which refers to foreign policy, approach United States, Nixon can send you which it's tough to do. So generally, a little bit of a split between the two allows

• 1:47:57Patrick Bet-David?

  you to control more. And this just showed, because you know who's pissed off right now? Who's pissed off right now, China? Putin is. What are you doing? And what do you think Xi is saying? What do you want me to do? I need that guy. After they all had a summit and all walked down the path together, remember? And that's right. Guess what? Trump comes out and says, Trump comes out and says, China doesn't want to invade Taiwan. Why would he say something like that? See what happens right now? Now he's siding with who? He's siding with China. Why is he siding with China? Because he's trying to get that tariff deal done as well. The way he is weaving and bobbing and doing what he does. Rob, go ahead and play that clip. Go for it.

• 1:48:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Potential likelihood or threat of President Xi ordering an invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan. 2027 is also the year that

• 1:48:43Patrick Bet-David?

  An invasion.

• 1:48:43Tom Ellsworth?

  he's supposed to start rotating those US and UK submarines. Do you see workers as a deterrent for China in the Indo-Pacific?

• 1:48:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I do. I think it is, but I don't think we're gonna need it. I think we'll be just fine with China. China doesn't want to do that. First of all, the United States is the strongest military power in the world by far. It's not even plus. Not even plus. We have the best equipment. We have the best of everything. And nobody's gonna mess with that. I don't see that at all with President Xi. I think we're gonna get along very well as it as it pertains to Taiwan. And that doesn't mean it's not the apple of his eye, because probably it is. But I don't see anything happening. We have a very I'm shocked Trump didn't go, where are you? I can't even understand what he's Taiwan? All right. I was waiting for that. Tom.

• 1:49:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's like saying, that's like me saying, you know, having, I know that I'm on a podcast and I'm talking to Vinny. And I say, um, you know, um, you know, my, my daughter's boyfriend is a good guy and I know he's coming over. Okay. Tonight and I say, but you know. Want me to come over with my gun? I think, um, he understands that, um, you and me have got the biggest, most successful shooting club here in South Florida. Yeah. And, um, and that we also have the, uh, the ninja training institute. Yes. He's, he's aware of all these wonderful businesses we have. So I'm sure when he comes into the family, he's just going to be a great asset. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. And so he sits there and he goes, hmm, better, if I get married to her, better not even yell in the kitchen.

• 1:50:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Ever, ever say no. So the, so the thing is, this is the first time you're seeing possibly ever, I mean, it's been around for a long time, but possibly ever. Where a businessman is coming in, realizing all the leverages he has and doesn't have, and is using them all in his benefit. Every one of them he's using and he's extremely patient with the way he's approaching it. Okay. Extremely patient with the way he's approaching it to the point where Bill Ackman, nine billionaire guy comes out and says, he is the best president we've ever had for business. Here's Bill Ackman. Go ahead, Rob. While we have you here, got to ask you about your take on just where we are in this economy and where we are in the markets.

• 1:51:01Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what do you think? We keep talking about, you know, we say there's, there's a bubble in conversations around a bubble. Yeah. Uh, I would say there's a lot of positive, let me be optimistic for a moment. Um, I'm negative on New York if, on Dom is elected, but I'm, I'm positive on the country. You know, clearly we have the most pro-business president we've had in a very long time.

• 1:51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And we also have a lot of, uh, you know, very significant, um, things that have been announced, but, but the effects have not yet really taken effect. So one, infrastructure bill from the past. Uh, we have the more recent tax bill, which gives a hundred percent depreciation, uh, for investment. We have this massive AI, um, you know, infrastructure investment that's like building the railroads, uh, of the, you know, the early part of the, the 20th century. Um, we have the productivity effects of AI that are only just starting to, uh, you know, have a significant effect. We have interest rates coming down meaningfully. They're 10 years below. See what he's saying. You know, uh, 4%. 26.

• 1:52:03Patrick Bet-David?

  We have a Fed that's accommodative, uh, likely to sort of cut, uh, interest rates. Um, you know, so these are all, I would say very, uh, positive. For the economy and for market. Bill, there's a time when I think you wouldn't have. Rob, you can pause it right there. It's funny when you're hearing a guy like this saying this. What's he telling you? 2026 is going to be a big year. Be ready for it. Folks, if you're watching this sincerely, if you want to have a big 2026, if it's not ours, goes to somebody's. But you better go into 2026 with a clear written business plan in a way you've never written it before. I share mine on these business planning workshops that we do and I share key words and I typically announce

• 1:52:45Patrick Bet-David?

  what I believe last year in 2024, I call 2025 the year of surprises. And guess what? A lot of surprises in 2025. So 2026, if you've got big plans and you're hearing what Ackman's talking about, go to bpw dot business, bpw dot David consulting dot com, bpw dot David consulting dot com. Register for the December 12th. And Rob, can you put the link below as well? In the description and in the comment section, people can see it. Uh, we'll spend a whole day, 12 hours talking about how to write out a business plan. Vinny?

• 1:53:13Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm just, I'm just, I just wanted to ask with everything that he's doing, like I'm in awe and the way that you put it where he's with everything that's happening, especially with the business stuff. What would like a Kamala Harris, like where would we be right now if she had won? This, there's only it.

• 1:53:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Remember this, when you hire somebody like that and you campaign for them, what are you campaigning for? When you vote for somebody, what are you saying? When, when a, when a good girl chooses a husband, what are they saying? When a guy is picking and choosing a wife, what are you saying? What are you choosing a wife for? You choose a wife and you say, I think she'll be a good mother for my kids. I think she'll take care of me when I'm older. I think we'll bring out the best in me, et cetera, et cetera. Right? When you marry somebody that you're like, I think this guy can be a great husband, great father, raise good kids, protect me, provide safety, fun, travel, all that stuff. When you pick a president, what are you saying? You're saying the guy's going to negotiate on your behalf.

• 1:54:12Patrick Bet-David?

  He's going to be in the room and you trust him in the room, right? You go negotiate on our behalf. I got you. You go do it, right? You go sell on our behalf. You go get the job done on our behalf. He's been doing it. If you voted for Kamala, what do you think she's going to do? Do you really think she's, she knows how to negotiate? Do you really like what? What are you voting for? Like, I can see Obama. I can see Clinton. What are you voting for? I definitely didn't see it with Biden. Of course not. And what do you do with Kamala? So this is the part, by the way. So when you go into 2020 and you see the the the Kowski and the Polly market and the numbers that are coming up, where they're at, where, you know, the other day you pulled it up two weeks ago, Newsom and J D are neck and neck. Yeah.

• 1:54:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? They're right there. They're looking 110, 110, both of them. I don't know what the numbers are right now. Rob, if you want to pull it up. It's a dead even as far as Republican or Democrat. Republican, Democrat president for 2028. Without a name. What are you voting for Newsom? To do what? Exactly. Make everybody gay. To do what? To do. And by the way, talking about making everybody gay is I want to get into the story about making everybody gay. This may be disappointing for some of you guys, you know, brace for impact. Sharp decline in young adults identifying as transgender. Non-binary analysis finds. Hell yes. So this, this, and how did it happen all of a sudden? Is this accidental? That this is taking place? Data coming in and Rob, go ahead and play this clip. Watch this, folks.

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• 1:56:41Speaker 01

  This week, a new report from the Center for Heterodox Social Science found that, quote,

• 1:56:45Speaker 05

  The share of trans identified students has effectively halved in just two years. Take a look at this chart.

• 1:56:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Holy crap.

• 1:56:52Speaker 05

  Now, the three lines represent data from three separate academic institutions, and they all show a steep decline in the number of students identifying as trans. Now, notably, the decline occurred in 2024 alongside a robust national discussion about protecting young children from trans ideology and life-altering surgeries. Now, this decline came as no surprise to me. In 2023, I brought this data to our airwaves from a study that I found in the National Institute of Health's National Library of Medicine's database. The article from 2016 in the International Review of Psychiatry reads in part, quote, "The conclusion from these studies is that for the majority of the children, 85.2%,

• 1:57:37Speaker 05

  gender dysphoric feelings were emitted around or after puberty." That was in 2016. So if nearly all children with gender dysphoric feelings resolve those feelings around puberty, why is the left continually pushing life-changing irreversible surgery for children?

• 1:57:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so if you think about this, why do you think it halved in two years? Why do you think it halved in two years? Why did I think? Yeah, why do you think? Because the pendulum swung back. But two years, two years ago, it's still Biden. Think about it, 2023. So if you look at that chart right, Rob, if we can still keep it up so that folks can watch it, 2023, look at the number. And look where it goes. Yeah, it starts to drop. So, but 233, 2023, Biden is still president. Because people, Pat, especially, great question, especially with like the Dylan Mulvaney, this is all during Biden. People, it was getting shoved down our throats, no pun intended, and then the American people were just like, no. And that, I don't care what anybody says, guys, that is the devil.

• 1:58:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, that is the devil busting his ass, trying to make everybody confuse the youth, and then have a party who is pushing it down everybody's throats again, and then trying to convince people that, no, you're in the wrong body, and they're pushing it. But Pat, you say this all the time about bad ideas have bad consequences. And people woke up, okay, they had a good, the devil had a grip on that generation. And I'm so happy and I'm so proud of America, like real Americans going, no, no, no, no, we're not doing it, we're not doing it and we're winning.

• 1:59:09Tom Ellsworth?

  You know what happened? You had Stop the Madness and when people got the leader that immediately started cutting things off and Trump and executive orders, it was stopping the encouragement and the madness. But there's something that went on and I'm going to give some voices credit. Bill Maher, in the middle of the Biden administration, he started with facts. He, he went out and he did one of his monologues and, but in his monologue, I believe Bill really believed it and he presented numbers. Remember he was talking about the percent of people that identified a certain way, going back to Eisenhower, then the generation that was LBJ, then the generation Kennedy, then here. And he goes today and

• 1:59:50Tom Ellsworth?

  he says, if this keeps up and four generations, we're all gay, right? Or we're all identified. And so he pointed that out, but he also pointed out, he said, he says, when I go to cocktail parties here at these Angelinos, it's fashionable to talk about a child who is in transition or considering it or identifying or dressing differently. He said it was fashionable. And he said, wait a minute, is something in the water in California versus, I think he said Cincinnati? You see what he was pointing out? He was pointing out that the suggestion of parents was there. He said, kids go through phases, it's all phases. And then he threw the punchline, which was very telling. He said, when I was nine years old, I was, I

• 2:00:34Tom Ellsworth?

  wanted to be a pirate. I'm so glad that my parents didn't pluck out an eye and send me for peg leg surgery. So, which is the point, but he talked about the phases. And I think, I think common sense parents woke up and when the election season came, they ran to the middle, Pat. The election season came and there were, there were still pushing trans ideology, but they turned it down in certain states regionally, because it wasn't a winning angle on a national vote.

• 2:01:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think, Pat? Why the two-year mark? Yeah. You're saying why the two-year mark? To me, it's a couple of different things. So what was? The main driver for trans if you think about when it started peaking. I'll tell you. Tell them what? TikTok. It's exactly what I wrote here. Yep, yeah. I wrote TikTok. Came out, I believe in 2019. If you look at that graph, the last one, Rob. And that was China ran in and they were pushing the trans. Gen Z never had a chance. They never had a chance. They're living in the first generation in human history that this was given to them day one. Day one. Now you're seeing Gen Alpha, kids 13 and under, basically Pats kids. Say, no, no, no, you're not getting a phone until you're like 16 or 18. Yeah. These kids were given an iPad or a phone at age 10.

• 2:01:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you don't think that China is up to no good with TikTok, you're sleeping under a rock. Gen Z never had a chance. The the rise of trans and the rise of TikTok happened right around the same time. Can you go to that other chart, Rob, right around that 2019 point? Boom, you see it skyrocket. It's the first thing you put up. So you talked about trans being the new trend. Trans is always trending on TikTok. I mean, I've been on Instagram for almost a decade. I never saw any trans content on Instagram or even on YouTube. No, never. It's all on TikTok. And then you wonder why Gen Z has been so indoctrinated. Look at this. But what? Starting in 2019, skyrocket. But I'm curious, like, what what happened? Because I mean, it didn't stop. It didn't stop. China still. They started coming out with things like go woke, go broke.

• 2:02:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you how, let me tell you how important this is. If you have a choice, you know how people are like, well, Larry Ellison is gonna buy TikTok and it's gonna be all, you know, messages about Zionism and Israel. This is what's gonna happen. You have a choice. You have a choice between a guy owns a company that's Jewish. Or a guy that owns the company that is from China who hates your country and wants to confuse the shit out of your kids. Which one do you choose? You pick and choose on which one it is. That's the reality of it. Okay? But Zuckerberg, what nationality is Zuckerberg? What's his faith? Jewish. Okay, so what have you heard with trans and any of this stuff with Facebook? Not a lot. If you remember about two years ago, Fox did a special on transgender kid.

• 2:03:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Parents that were going through it. Do you remember that? It was a four minute special. We played it. I know. Yeah, so it got to a point that even Fox News did a special on a trans family. I'm like, wait, what? Where you're now at this one, so are the lot is Lachlan at the top is like, yeah, we should maybe share a story like that with people? No. So I think the part is, like you said earlier, bad ideas are getting exposed. And the great thing about bad ideas is just give it time. You'll know how bad the idea is. So, so all these people are excited about Mamdani. Awesome. Give it time. Give it two years. Let's see what happens there. See what takes place. Sometimes, as a, this is the challenge, Vinny. As a parent, some things you have to let your kids go through. You just have to let them go through it.

• 2:03:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Dad, I'm gonna put that in there. Don't do it. I'm gonna put that in there. Don't do it. I'm gonna put that. I said, don't do it. I'm gonna put that. Go ahead.

• 2:04:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. All right. So then, Dad, I'm gonna do that. Oh, no, that's zero conversation. I'm gonna do it. Sit down. This is how much. Yep. Zero conversation. I think America is kind of like, well, let's see what happens. Well, let's see what happens. Well, let's see what happens. Well, let's see what happens. How many people went and got the transgender surgery done for kids? How many, Rob, how many kids under the age of 18 took puberty blockers? Oh, my God. How many kids under the age of eight, you know what puberty blockers were essentially made for? Originally made for? For pedophiles and stuff? Originally it was made for, did you know that? No. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Are you serious? I just shot it out of the dark. Medical sterilization is in prison.

• 2:04:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It was made for pedophiles to not be excited about doing what they want to do to young kids. So like a chemical castration? They're giving that to kids. They're giving that to kids. So how many people actually took it? No, that's just four years, Rob. I mean, I want to know all time. How evil, like, how disgusting is that? 4,752 kids in America were on puberty blockers from 2017 to 2021. And that's not even the peak. That's not even the peak. So imagine how many kids' lives you destroyed, literally the phrase. You destroyed, right? You destroyed. Yeah, let's see what happens. Let them do it. How bad could it be? But, but to me, there, there are a few things that at the top, you have to put your foot down and say, no, no, no, we're not going to test this out with anybody.

• 2:05:32Patrick Bet-David?

  I think one is this with the kids, that I think we need to, I, I love the fact that the day, we were there when he tried to sign the executive order. Do you remember that? We were in the room when the president signed the executive order on the inauguration. Yeah, that's right. When we were there. So it's like, oh, boom, one, boom, two, boom, three, boom. Before, right, we're hanging out with a bunch of, you know, uh, uh, G insiders or whoever they were being here. But, but, but, but the point being is, that's where this reached to. And now, the other part of me saying that it's not something to be tolerated about, is who gets to run for office in America? You gotta be very protective of what the denomination can run for office in America. I think that is a massive, massive thing. Is this the clip? Well, it's really, really hard to reverse. Once you go a certain direction, you can fake it till you make it, but. This pastor changed though.

• 2:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, can you play that one clip of that one incredible guy who thought that he was gonna stop being gay? Tell me if you guys are buying this. Go ahead. Do you believe that the Lord tonight has set you free? Yes, sir. Yes. Turn around and tell those people.

• 2:06:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not gay no more. I am delivered. I don't like men no more. I thought I liked women. Women, women, women, women. I said women. I'm not gay. I would not date a man. I would not care.

• 2:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Bro, Ty is getting bigger.

• 2:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Put on makeup. I will not. Is he still gay? Is he still gay? Then he came out with like another interview. He's like, so yeah, I never, didn't work for me. Sorry. I'm still doing. Are you being serious or sarcastic? What's that? You being serious? No, I'm being dead serious. That he ended up still being gay? He is gay no more. You mean to tell me that was fake? That jacket won't lie. Jacket? The jacket. Pacquiao. Pacquiao is the one that you missed. Alright, folks, we're coming to the last part of it. If you are watching a podcast, you have any questions for me, Vinny, or Adam, we got a bunch of them that's been posted. Go to, or Tom, go to PBD Podcast Circle, post your question. Download the app, go there, post your question. We're gonna read off a couple of questions here at the end before we wrap up.

• 2:07:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do one other story before we get into this. This next story I wanna get into is, which one should I go to? I got so many good ones here. Should I go into?

• 2:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let's go to a business one. Yeah, let's go to this one here, okay? Finances are getting tighter. U.S. car repos surged as more Americans default on auto loans. Okay, so here we go with auto loans, Tom. I'm coming to you on this one.

• 2:08:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So alarm bells are ringing on Wall Street. The recent collapses of Tricolor, used car seller and subprime auto lender and first brands as auto parts supplier have put the finance industry on edge almost two decades after the problem in the subprime mortgage lending market set the stage for the global financial risk. When you see one cockroach, there are probably more, Jamie Dimon said, caution analyst this week after the US largest bank disclosed 170 million auto charge tied to Tricolor's bankruptcy. Everyone should be forewarned on this one as the car lending market showed signs of strain. Business around representations is booming. Right now, we're overwhelmed with work. George Beddin, who runs Midwest Recovery and Adjustment in Detroit, Chicago, said

• 2:08:53Patrick Bet-David?

  the so-called repo man tasked with recovering vehicles from drivers who assault on loan agreements was eulogized in music by Bruce Springsteen and Adam's getting closer to 50 years old. And in 1984, Alex Cox filmed Repo Man, especially in the subprime auto market as are on the rise. Tom, your thoughts on this story? So guess what? Not everything is good in every corner of the economy. And in middle America, you know, we need jobs, we need wage growth, and we need affordable housing. We can't turn away from that. For all the good that the president is doing, there's other items that are on that agenda that he's trying to get to. Housing starts will help people have more affordable housing and affordable housing

• 2:09:35Patrick Bet-David?

  means some, guess what, Vinnie, a little bit of relief on the family budget so you can make your car payment. Weird. And so also, people went out and got these loans for vehicles when we had a pop in the economy and now things have tightened up a little bit. It is said that for a lot of people in the middle class, Pat, what was the stat that we used to talk about in life insurance? It was just a stat that that most people were only three paychecks. Away from bankruptcy. From away from a bankruptcy or having to borrow from friends and family, but a personal crisis with the living and, you know, and these were single Americans living in apartments and stuff in the middle class.

• 2:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And so now what's happened is the market is a little bit tighter and things have happened. This is the downstream effect.

• 2:10:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Of the Biden economy and what we have with all that inflation. Things have come down, things have helped, but there's more help that's needed. And we covered last week on this podcast, all those jobs that are getting built. Well, we need more of those higher paying jobs. We need manufacturing to come back to America. And in the interim, there's some stress in the economy. And when you see early warning signs like overall credit card balance. And you know, we haven't talked about that in a while, Pat. We should bring that up next on the Business Wednesday next week, you know? America's credit card balance.

• 2:10:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Can't wait for it.

• 2:10:57Tom Ellsworth?

  We used to talk about that a lot, but we need to get back to that. But this story right now, it's not gloom and doom, Pat. But it is definitely a check engine light that says, hey, there's stress going on out there. And the middle class still needs help. And drill, baby drill that gets gas down and heating oil down. That helps, jobs help, interest rates will help. And so we're, we're in a transition.

• 2:11:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that, is that a, did you see that subprime auto lending is a fraction of the 1.7 trillion dollar overall car lending business? 1.7 trillion dollars, Tom.

• 2:11:32Tom Ellsworth?

  That's right, it's huge. America's car is second to America's rent.

• 2:11:37Patrick Bet-David?

  It's so, it's so bad, Adam's Uber driver's car got repo'd. It's horrible. That's problematic. That's not good.

• 2:11:44Tom Ellsworth?

  While, while he was in it and

• 2:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's the problem.

• 2:11:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And the, the repo guy wanted to keep Adam.

• 2:11:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:11:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Thought he was handsome.

• 2:11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you, Tom. Well, there you have it, Rob. Let's get into some of the questions here. Let me know if you have any of the questions. I'm trying to see which ones to pick here.

• 2:11:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, there's a good one from initials IL. You see that one there, Pat?

• 2:12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go through it.

• 2:12:02Tom Ellsworth?

  10:47 AM. That's a great question.

• 2:12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm gonna, if it's, okay, yeah, that's a good one. Isaac Lee. Let's see Isaac Lee, Rob. If you can show up his picture on the manect, if you can take his, I'll send this to you if you want to show it up there. Isaac Lee's got a picture, his profile picture is a picture with Jordan Peterson. So let's go to this. So his question is, hey, Pat, you talk about the value of learning sales as a 22 year old struggling to find a career and not just a job. How would you suggest getting into sales, learning the skill and creating a career out of it? Here's what I will tell you. I don't understand the concept of being 22 years old and saying you're having a hard time finding a job. And you're saying career, I get it. But remember, to me, sales, people are hiring sales everywhere.

• 2:12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You can go work 1099 commission, anywhere. Real estate, insurance, finance, there are plenty of places that are hiring 1099 commission that you can go and start selling. There's so much content online for you to learn how to sell. There are so many different things that you can learn on how to do. When it comes down to selling, there's plenty of books to read on sales that's available to you. My suggestion for 22 year old is the following. A lot of people are choosing, hey, what career, what this, what that. I'm gonna tell you a very complete way of thinking about this. Instead of choosing a career to produce, or a job to produce, choose a person to follow and replicate and duplicate. That's gonna give you a better life than anything.

• 2:13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say you choose a career, you want to get into, I don't know, you go into real estate. I want to go into real estate. But you're working for a shitty real estate broker that's not really showing up, doesn't work that hard. Maybe doesn't have the best ethics, and you go there. But real estate is what you want to do. And so you follow that person. Versus you go into, let's just say you pick and choose, give me another thing to sell. Give me, give me a product to sell, any kind of a product to sell. Get any product to sell, outside of real estate. Let's say you want to do health insurance. But this health insurance guy you're working for, he is a very successful guy. Great family, solid work ethic, been around it for 20 years. He's got great contacts, great relationships, very intentional, very tough, very strong, strong negotiator. You go work for him for three years, you won't be the same human being three years later.

• 2:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're watching how he negotiates, if you watch how he shows up every day. If you watch how he does everything that he does. My suggestion is make a list of 20 people that you admire. Ask your father, ask your friends, ask teachers, professors, people you respect, who are the 20 best leaders in a local community within a 20 mile radius. And then go work for that person. You're gonna get more working for a great person, selling, it could be furniture, it could be anything. You can get more working for the right person in any industry. Then you will be in picky by choosing what industry you want to get into. That would be my feedback to you, Isaac Lee, at 22 years old. And by the way, at 21, 22 years old, I went to four to 10 business conferences every year. I went to Tom Hopkins, I went to Tony Robbins.

• 2:14:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I went to any conferences I could find to learn about sales and being around other people proximity wise. Changed my life, that would be my feedback to you. What other questions do we want to get into, Rob? Did you see anything else? That's right, PBD cell system would be good for him as well. Uh, developers, let's see what we got here, Rob. Are you seeing one that I should go to? On the question side, because I got few of them in here. Let me do one more. All right, let's do this one here. Is this the one? Okay, let's go to this one. George Karayev. Do you see that one, Rob? If you want to pull that one up, pull up his profile and put his picture up there so we can see it. George Karayev out of Staten Island, New York. So visualize him saying this with an accent.

• 2:15:42Patrick Bet-David?

  PBD team, why do you think Stephen A. came out with an accusation that Trump, who pushed the NBA players to be investigated, arrested? Is this the race card? Why do you go straight there before all the facts come out? Finney, I'll come to you on this one. Well, I think, well, again, because Stephen A., um, you know, he kinda, you know, he didn't vote for Kamala, did he vote for Kamala? Then all of a sudden, I think, you know, Stephen A. kinda goes, uh, with the flow. He knows how to speak, he's very articulate, his vernacular is, is, is up there. He uses his big words, but at the same time, it's like, you have to think, why? Why is he doing that? Why one day is he calling out Jasmine Crockett for talking hood? She's very educated, she's very established, but then when she's around, she pandas in front of like,

• 2:16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  "Hey, what's your duck?" And going after the president, talking hood. That's not you, and he called her out? And then a couple of days later, "I apologize. I'm sorry, I shouldn't be talking to a black woman like that." It's like, I don't, I don't understand, um, the LeBron-ing, the, the flip-flopping. But again, he works for ESPN. ESPN is gonna, is gonna take a hit. Disney owns that. ESPN, uh, Disney owns, uh, a lot of stuff. The, the biggest contract with the, uh, NBA. So it hurts, he has, he can't come out. Just say, hey, guys, these guys are wrong. They messed up. They need to pay for it. No, he has to take a side. And the anti-Trump side, especially when it comes to woke Disney, it's always gonna be the call. I'm gonna go to the last one here, Tom. I'm coming to you with this one here.

• 2:17:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Evie Burt, okay, she, it says Yorktown, but she's got a question about real estate in California. For Tom, when will the bottom fall out on California real estate? Were military bought in Thousand Oaks when interest rates were low? All this California uncertainty makes me nervous on the value of real estate. Not retiring there, going to sell eventually. What do you say about that? Well, it's very interesting because we know a real estate expert, uh, that's in, um, uh, San Diego and he sends us charts. And basically, right now, um, interest rates need to come down, number one. But number two, um, there, there needs to be a decrease in demand.

• 2:17:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And that is happening as people are leaving California and as fewer people are moving into California. Uh, the other side of it, it's, if you're looking for, I don't know where you are. So Thousand Oaks, if you're looking for Thousand Oaks and Westlake and some of those nicer areas for a 50% drop in price, you're not gonna see it. Um, as you go further from the cities, you're gonna see relief in prices. You saw what happened in San Bernardino, uh, during the crash in 08, where they had all the new housing built. And that's where the prices came down. But is that where the jobs are gonna be? But you're saying not gonna retire there, going to sell eventually. So it looks like you're looking for the investment side.

• 2:18:31Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're looking for the investment side, depending on your job and where it takes you, you wanna be in the, in the areas that are built very, very nicely, but have the opportunity to appreciate. Because if you find a million and a half dollars home in Thousand Oaks, California, and you're able to get yourself into that somehow, 25 years from now, that's not gonna be a $3 million starter home. You know, it's gonna be too expensive. So I don't see the bottom dropping out, but I see you'll be able to pick and choose in the areas which are the first drop zones as people move out of California and the demand drops a little bit. But Evie, you're asking the right question. Go get smart, read as much as you can, talk to as many.

• 2:19:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Realtors as you can, but be patient and know your numbers. Know what your rent versus purchases in your area. And it may be that renting for a couple of years and intentionally putting the rest of that money aside puts you in a good position. There you go in Thousand Oaks. Shout out to folks in Thousand Oaks. Shout out. Hello, Amgen people. I used to go there. It's a very, very nice home. Anyways, all right, guys, moving forward. If you haven't, you downloaded Manact and started doing this. We want to hear from you. We want to hear questions from you, especially PBD Podcast Wednesday. Business podcast is growing. We're getting a lot of positive commentary. But if you haven't watched the Anna Paulina Luna podcast that came out yesterday, two and a half hours. We talked about Epstein.

• 2:19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  She brought documents that there's only three of them in the world that was given to her by the president of Russia. She brought that. We talked about it yesterday. If you haven't seen it yet, go look up PBD Podcast with Anna Paulina Luna from yesterday. It was absolutely bonkers. Take care, everybody. Have a great weekend. We'll do it again next week. Take care. God bless. Bye bye.

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