SCAMTRAK w/ Loren Lorosa

"All aboard the scam express!" Laci welcomes news correspondent and producer Loren Lorosa (The Breakfast Club) to unpack how over 100 Amtrak employees derailed the company’s health plan in a $12 million scheme involving crooked doctors and fake claims. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom-signed Scam Goddess book? Look no more, nab your copy on PODSWAG Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Loren Lorosa: @lorenlorosa Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/seventeen-amtrak-employees-resign-over-health-care-fraud-investigation/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/amtrak-taken-ride-wild-12m-193215305.html https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/legal-insights/over-100-amtrak-workers-linked-to-12-million-insurance-scam-535523.aspx https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/new-york-acupuncturist-sentenced-34-months-prison-role-9-million-health-care-fraud

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• 1:49Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. The Comedy Podcast. I always forget to say that, and then some people come over here from 2020 and they be confused. Like, why is she so unprofessional?

• 2:07Laci Mosley?

  But we do talk about scams and they are researched, y'all. You know, I don't want to get sued. I need y'all to donate to my abugado fund because I think this might be the year. But y'all know, what am I? Yes, yes, it's been six years of what? Excitement, yes. So today, we have a pop culture news correspondent, producer, actress, and lifestyle vlogger on the show. She's the mastermind behind Brown Girl Grinding, a broadcast and media production company. You might just know her as the senior news producer at the Hall of Fame radio show, The Breakfast Club on Power 105. And this will give it away, but she is the host of The Latest with Lauren Lorosa,

• 2:51Laci Mosley?

  a podcast on the Black Effect Network. Congregation, please welcome an intake member to the church, a queen, Lauren Lorosa to the show. Hi, Lauren.

• 3:03Speaker 04

  Hey, intake member is kind of crazy. Hey, church, thank you for having me. Can I come as I am?

• 3:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you can always come as you are. Okay, scam as you are, come as you are, whatever you need to do. Giving all, giving all honor to God, pastor.

• 3:21Laci Mosley?

  Willie Wonka.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  So. How are you?

• 3:25Laci Mosley?

  Lauren, I'm actually, this is the first day that I'm feeling normal. I just recovered from my birthday party, a little bit of food poisoning. Yeah, that's no date this episode, but if y'all know, y'all know. But yeah, I'm feeling good. How are you?

• 3:40Speaker 04

  I'm feeling really good. I'm blessed. I have no complaints and no food poisoning, girl. I know you going through it.

• 3:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, girl, and I got it from a bougie place too. And I was like, how dare you? And then my producer told me, I can't say the name because again, see, I told you I'm running up on getting sued all the time. But it's a bougie place. Are you in, you're in New York, right?

• 4:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in LA. So it's like a bougie store that has like a food bar and they got me. They got me with some soba noodles, but it's.

• 4:10Laci Mosley?

  Beep that, beep that out.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  You know that's my job, the figure. You can't give me things to like try and put together and figure out because I'm gonna start guessing and I'm gonna start like making calls. Hey, where was she at last Friday? Can we figure it out? Like, I just need an answer. Like, I really be in people's business.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  She be producing the news. That was too quick of a guess. There was another story you could have guessed.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  I mean, I used to live in L.A.

• 4:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. See, okay, now we know we're dealing with a profession now.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  Well, we gonna move on because, yeah.

• 4:36Laci Mosley?

  We dealing with a profession now.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  We ain't got the umbrella insurance yet.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  Right, I don't got the umbrella insurance yet, okay? Sirius is not paying for that, okay? I've gotten a few cease and desist. And one I thought was really funny and I posted part of it on my Instagram. And I was like, see, I told y'all they was gonna sue me. Y'all get the abugado fund up. And then the company reached back out to the network and was like, we thought that we had a sincere apology and we just saw her on Instagram joking about it. Executive producer hit me up and was like, Lacey, we need you to take that down.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, girl. As soon as you said you posted the cease and desist, I said, oh, okay. She's, she's, she's serious. She ain't playing no games over here.

• 5:15Laci Mosley?

  I thought it was hilarious. It wasn't even something I said, it was something the guest said. And I was like, hey, y'all gonna be mad at me.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Just hearing cease and desist makes me like, all right, let's, I don't even want to speak it into existence.

• 5:26Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no, we're not gonna have any of that. We are gonna persist. We will never cease.

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  I can't say that other phrase no more because they're mean. But I'm sure you can guess real quick. But wait, I know we're gonna get into your, um, relationship with scams, but I have to pull over in a corner for one second and ask you. Did you watch, um, season seven of Love Island?

• 5:49Speaker 04

  I haven't watched season seven yet. I actually started season one last night, but I've been watching.

• 5:53Laci Mosley?

  Oh, girl, you're never gonna get to season seven. It airs like the 11 o'clock news.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  I know, I know. Somebody told me like, you just gotta sit and do a whole weekend of it. And that was supposed to be what I did for July 4th weekend, but I disconnected that weekend. So I'm gonna do it this week because I've been following the news and like, you know, with, uh, with Ciara having, or getting kicked off the show and like all that stuff. But without context, I feel so disconnected to the tribe of Love Island. So I've been trying to watch it, but it airs every day except for hump day, which I thought was cute when I saw that in the intro. I was like, that is so cute. But why, why you ask me that?

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, because I just, okay, I feel like some of it is scammy. I don't know if I've said this on, on this podcast, but reality TV show is a scam. And they be making them people crazy. And then they act crazy and then we look at them as if they were supposed to be acting sane. Like they, they sleep deprived them. They usually ply them with alcohol, but Love Island now has a rule that you can only have two drinks a day. And they in the heat and they don't have clocks or calendars.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the only, I used to work in reality TV. Um, and I, I feel, I get what you're saying, but I also feel like you there long enough, you learn the game. You know what's going on.

• 7:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. But by that time, it might be too late. They already got the footage of you acting crazy. It's like, yeah, the first week I threw a couch at somebody, but I didn't know the game.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  It's 2025, we are far away from the, the beginning of the reality show days, the Tiffany Pollard days. Y'all know what's going on when y'all sign up. You know what it was when you signed up.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  Well, see, that's the thing though. I don't think the children have media literacy anymore. And we're talking about people that were born in the 2000s. So I think they don't have that, that, I don't think they look behind the curtain and know that this is a production and that it is run like a television show, but it's just unscripted, but there's people like prompting you. I think they look at it and think, oh, I want to go on there and look like those people and have no idea what they're signing up for.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  I think it's some of that and I also think social media makes it where even if they knew, they don't care. They just want to get on. They want to get lit. They don't, and they want to skip step, like they want to get from A to Z. And I, I look, I'm not, I'm not knocking nobody hustle, do your thing. But I do think that there is a sense of delusion. Uh, and maybe it's a good delusion for some people who go on reality TV because it is an accelerated watch. Like it's an accelerated journey. You go from episode one to episode 20 and now you're in love with somebody or now your whole home is made over. Like everything's accelerated. So whoever goes on there, you're a little delusional to think that like, this, oh my God, this could really happen. This could make the rest of my career and the rest of my life. That's the social media area, the era though. You go viral one time and now you, you know, some people it sustains a full career.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  Some people you just go viral one time. I was watching, um, the girl that sings, uh, it's your birthday. It's your birthday, girl. You know it's your birthday. Yo, she just posted a TikTok saying she, she literally couldn't afford her rent. And that song, every, exactly. But I think it's because like, I mean, but I'm, I, I think it's just because the way that the internet moves and reality TV and all these things go so fast. People don't really necessarily know the business behind it. I don't know her situation fully. I'm actually gonna have her on my podcast, The Latest with Lauren Rosa, because I thought that that was interesting.

• 8:58Laci Mosley?

  See, y'all gotta listen to it.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  But I think that the popcorn culture is what I'm speaking to of pop culture right now. Pop culture, popular culture. It makes people, you know, just a little bit. Things move so fast. So you throw your life away to kind of just see what happens. And sometimes when it hits, now you got them videos of you acting crazy. And you don't know how to come back from that. You don't know what to do with it. So my empathy for reality stars is not fully there because I do feel like you signed the dotted line for this. You signed your life away.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think in this era, I have a little less empathy because we should all know better. Back in the day when they first started, you know, and like it was like VH1 running it up and, you know, Real World and stuff. Like, I have empathy for those people because they plied them with alcohol, gave them no sleep and put them in a house full of strangers, some of them who are bigoted against them. And like, they kind of set them up to be like wilding the fuck out. And then back in the day, they didn't give you no food. So they were really trying to torture your ass. But yeah, that makes so much sense to me. But I think that is kind of like a little bit of a scam of like, I hope that if you're listening to the show and you didn't know that there's so much production that goes behind reality TV, now you do. So we can give those reality people a little grace.

• 10:07Laci Mosley?

  But I was gonna say too that I feel bad for this generation because like, I'm so glad that I grew up with cell phones and all the technology and everything. But, and we're close to the same age. Like, we grew up in the era where we had all the things. But the internet was still a place if you wanted it to be. Yeah, you had it on your phone, but typically you would get on the computer and it would be a place that you went to. It wasn't a place that was constantly following you around via your phone and popping up with messages and stuff. And I can't imagine if like, the videos of us wilding out in college or anything that we did for fun were just permanently on the internet forever because everybody films everything all the time constantly now. And so I have a little bit of grace for people who do stupid stuff on the internet

• 10:51Laci Mosley?

  just because I'm like, yeah, the internet is forever. And y'all seem to not understand that.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  The internet is a different place. Internet is a wild, wild west compared to reality TV. And I think we are a part of that last generation who kind of saw both sides.

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  Like, a lot of things were new, like MySpace and viralness and all that stuff. Remind.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  All that stuff was still new, so you could step into a step out of it. But when I was in college, I was one of the people that recorded everything and posted everything. And I used to vlog. And I remember my mentor told me.

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  News correspondent coming out again.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  No, seriously, I used to be so mad because I deleted my YouTube channel. I deleted all videos of us partying, senior week and all that stuff. Because I was told I wouldn't be able to get a job. And now I'm like, my job is literally content. And I was smart enough to know then not to take the recordings.

• 11:37Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Too far. But we were having a good time and I'm like, dang, if I kept all that content. But it was so new, I didn't really, I didn't know that like, that would become a job one day. Like, I, it, literally YouTube had like, just started. It was like a few years fresh when I was a senior in college, so.

• 11:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the thing. So many things have become jobs now that weren't jobs, like influencing. And I think influencing is a very hard job and I think we give them a bad rap. I know a lot of influencers have a lot of influencer friends and they have to be churning out content constantly. They gotta be having their camera on.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  It's a real job.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  Like, like you, what you see is a snippet that probably took them eight hours. Like, you don't know how much work goes into like, giving you that one minute of content that goes viral or whatever it, the case may be. So, um, don't, stop calling them people lazy, because them people work very hard.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:26Laci Mosley?

  I have, I hate having an influence on the side a little bit. They be having me dance for my dinner and I be like.

• 12:31Speaker 04

  I love it. It's just hard, the deadlines of, while life is moving and you got other stuff going on.

• 12:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the business aspect of it. I like doing it in the moment with the camera, but when it's like, get my makeup on, do my hair. Get the camera set up, what's going on with the lighting?

• 12:49Speaker 04

  All my life I had to fight voice is crazy.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  Like, that was very Viola Davis with the walk in its care. I felt you.

• 12:57Laci Mosley?

  I gotta get my Kerry Washington lip quivering.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  Yes, I felt it. I felt it.

• 13:02Laci Mosley?

  It be real. Well, yeah, I just wanted to ask you because I know you're a pop culture expert and I was curious on your opinion. And of course, you had so much insight, so I appreciate that. I'm sure the listeners do too.

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• 15:15Laci Mosley?

  But now Lauren, I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever run any past the statute of limitations? That your professor told you to throw away with them blogs? Or it could be anything.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  What is my relationship with scams is a crazy question. Because if I ever did do anything, why would I get on this podcast for Sirius XM and tell you? I do not run, have not ever ran, don't plan to run any scams.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  Not the press conference statement.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, that is a crazy, I'm like, what? That's the opening. People be on here like, girl, yeah, cuz you know, three months ago, people do that?

• 15:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, I've learned so many things. I learned how servers can like, get credit card points by like, taking customers who pay cash and keeping the cash and running their card for the bill. Like, all types of stuff that you can do out here, yeah.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  Like, their audio voice is recorded, no voiceover, no voice dumping or alteration? And they're on here saying that?

• 16:09Laci Mosley?

  No, no, we don't have that little blurry, or we don't have the black curtain and then they're like, "I once did..." No, no, no, it's them.

• 16:16Speaker 04

  And you didn't send them any drinks to their homes? Or like, this is not the reality TV setup? Like, they're not sleep deprived, they just on here giving you that?

• 16:23Laci Mosley?

  We do make you come to Sirius XM a day early and sleep in a windowless room. Um, yes, with a bottle of Don Julio and a bag of chips.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  People is crazy, I would never, but no, I've never, I've never committed a scam. I think the closest I've gotten to it is reporting on them.

• 16:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, what's going on?

• 16:40Speaker 04

  And I've always been like, really interested in, um, like, just the stories, the scam-based stories that become pop culture, like Anna Delvey, the art girl.

• 16:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we love Anna.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  I loved her story.

• 16:50Laci Mosley?

  She's on Scam Rushmore, she's, she's an innovator.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  And I, I think I loved her story because it was very much like, her, her, her audacity. It wasn't even for sale, you had to auction and bid on, on audacity she was walking around with. And then she just was so fly and so fabulous. I'm like, what in the world is happening here?

• 17:10Laci Mosley?

  I loved her too, because she targeted like affluent people with a lot of money to waste. And she made them feel broke. Like, that's what I loved about it, like, she would make people feel broke, she would snub you if she didn't think you were worthy of her social circle. It's like she did the reverse, the Uno reverse on all these people, you know what I mean? It's like Gossip Girl, but if Dan came in and was like, "All of you guys are disgusting." Didn't tell anybody he lived in Brooklyn, which is very expensive. But at the time, they were like, "Brooklyn, we live over here, the ghetto."

• 17:42Laci Mosley?

  So yes.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I felt like she was a Sex and the City version of scamming.

• 17:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I like that. I like that phrase. Which one would she be on Sex and the City? I feel like maybe Samantha. Is she all four of them?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, because I feel like her spirit and her, not her spirit, but her outfits and her,

• 18:01Speaker 04

  like in the series that they did on her on Netflix or whatever, the way that she just appeared physically kind of reminded me of Carrie Bradshaw. Um, I think, I don't see any of Charlotte in her though.

• 18:12Laci Mosley?

  No, because Charlotte's all posh and like Upper East Side and she was giving bougie bougie.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  I feel like they all are kind of fake bougie. They're not fake. They're all bougie on the show. But I can give you that.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  No, Carrie always talking about how she broke. Remember she only had $7,000.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Because of the art thing too.

• 18:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, so that's the Charlotte-ness in her was the art, the, you know, I'm doing the tea, clacking the tea in my hands. It was very much that. Then the Samantha came in because everything about Anna was like she's infiltrating these circles. She's making them her own. You cannot sit with her if you need an invite. Whole time she wasn't even invited. Um, yeah.

• 18:48Laci Mosley?

  And then you know what? Miranda, because she had that business acumen, because she was getting what people lined up.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Business acumen and the fact that like she knew what to do. She knew how to present everything when she, you know, she was going after the loan. She, she made the people believe her as if it was legitimate, as if it was legal.

• 19:05Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Sex and the City, but it's just Anna Delvey playing every character.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  I look at, and I think that's why we were so attracted to her story.

• 19:14Laci Mosley?

  That makes sense. Darren Starr, this is your fault. You did this to us, okay? And she was in New York. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Laura, you just unlocked something crazy. I've never even thought of it that way. I love that. Well, we're going to get into my favorite segment here, Historic Hood Wings. I'm glad that you have, you know, your journalistic prowess because, um, because today we are talking about Amtrak workers. We're talking about more than 100 Amtrak workers who ripped off of the train company's health plan in attune to $12 million in a kickback scheme, taking bribes from crooked doctors who then filed fake insurance claims for four years. Now, one I have to say, shout out to the Amtrak workers.

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  In 2022, there was almost a strike because they like train workers were getting paid so little. So I'm not gonna be ever on the side of Daddy Insurance Company. Unless y'all hurt somebody, I'm kind of rocking with y'all right now because Daddy Insurance is a scam. We, we know he is. He's like, give me money, but if you get too sick, uh, we, we dropping you.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:19Laci Mosley?

  Right? So I don't know. And then people will be like, you know what, Belacy? Like that's running up the premiums when people do fraud. And I'm like, babes, they change those premiums all the time at the willy nilly. They be like, it's windy today. Uh, run to change the premium, raise it. Like, it doesn't matter.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  And also I think that there should be certain things that shouldn't exist when it comes to people's healthcare and their medical. Like, we shouldn't be worried about the premiums. We shouldn't be worried about deductible. Like, there's so many different things that I think people shouldn't even have to think about when it comes to, am I gonna be okay? Am I gonna be able to go to the hospital? Am I gonna be able to use this insurance? And I think if, if, if the insurance companies, if they were in, in the government were allowed to think like that, like if everything could just be about community and, you know, all the things that insurance isn't per se, that we've been trying to get to, people wouldn't have to do these scams like what you're talking about. Or they wouldn't feel so okay with it. Cause a lot of times when you talk about corporate scams like that, people normally do that on corporations that they feel like have been taken from them anyway. So it's like, this what y'all get.

• 21:19Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. At, at this point, it's a scam scamming the scammer. Like, y'all are both scammers. Like, it's spy versus spies, cops and robbers. Like, y'all are both on, like, I'm just jumping into something that was already corrupt so I can get mine and not get taken advantage of. I, I have a deep sympathy for these types of scams because I don't know many people who, if they had the choice to be paid equitably and live a comfortable life, would choose that, not choose that over like, let me go find some crooked doctors and then drum up a bunch of insurance fraud just to get like a little coin. It's a hundred people doing this to the two hundred twelve million dollars. So it's not like it's one person. This is a whole network. And also, I wanna know how you find a crooked doctor?

• 22:00Laci Mosley?

  Like, how do you go in? Like, you go in for a checkup and then they be like, put the tongue depress on your tongue, be like, ah. You be like, ah, how ethical are you? Ah, you ever saw some fake, uh, prescription notes? Ah. Like, what, what do we do? Like, do I bend over and cough and be like?

• 22:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, that was sick. Do you ever defraud the insurance company? It's like, how do you warm that convo up? I don't know.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  I don't know. I think something like that is probably like a, you already in that circle of people. So you know. You know, like, they're kind of passing these doctors around at that point. Because I don't, how do you just walk in someone's doctor's office and say, hey, do you go both ways? Essentially, that's what you're saying. Like, do you go both ways? I don't know how that works unless your doctor mentions something to you on the fly about like, I don't know, like, they're teaching you how to trick the system. So you're just like, okay, now it's an open conversation. But other than that, I think that's probably like a word of mouth. Like, a friend had to tell a friend, had to tell a friend, like, yo, I got this person over here. This is what we be doing, come on in.

• 22:57Laci Mosley?

  It's giving cousin. Like, somebody has a cousin who's a doctor. And then they were like at the family reunion, eating a potato salad. And they were like, you know, Amtrak never really checks our, uh, our prescriptions stuff for real, for real. So, you know, if you ever want to write a few scripts, get a little kickback, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? It's like an orthopedic surgeon and everyone at Amtrak needs their foot done. It was like, yep, my foot got.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  I don't know why your voice just sounded like that. That cousin, his name's probably Eddie or something like that.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Eddie, yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Sounded like Uncle Eddie or Elroy.

• 23:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he was the first to become a doctor in the family. And so all the other shady family members were like, we see you out there doing it, King. We see you, young blood, you doing great, baby.

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, nephew.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Me, nephew, nephew, oh, my God, so nephew. Yeah, nephew. Now, you know, me and the boys down at the train station, we all had our foot ran over by the train. All hundred of us. Think you can help us out?

• 23:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness, so the probe. Internal Amtrak detectives started probing around when they noticed an unusual billing pattern for employees filing claims with doctors in New York. Oh, shout out to your city.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I just moved here. I don't have been here three days.

• 24:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you gotta start claiming it. You're a New Yorker now.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  I'm not claiming that thing related to a scam.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  Your lips got so tight. Lauren, I swear, I'm not trying to set you up. Lauren thinks I'm the ops, y'all.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  I don't know what's going on here, but I have umbrella insurance and I don't got nothing to do with nothing.

• 24:24Laci Mosley?

  She thinks I'm doing one of them FBI probes where it'd be like, yeah, everybody, where are we stashing our drugs? I too love a crack.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  You work for the IRS?

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  Me?

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:35Laci Mosley?

  No, I know people who do them. And shout out to those of you who were at my conference from the IRS. Fund the IRS. What?

• 24:43Speaker 04

  I just was making sure. That was a very random question, but it just, I don't know. I feel like every, you should always ask that.

• 24:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm never gonna snitch. No, no, no, no, no. But I just want the IRS to be funded so that they can go after bigger fish. Because right now they gotta go after the middle class because that's all they can afford. So they nickeling diamond us to hell. But I'm like, if we gave them more money, then they could go after the people who are dodging the taxes. Okay? I won't try to get into them Cayman Island accounts. Until I get rich enough to get one, and then we need to definitely underfund them again.

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  I want three people in a WeWork with four posted notes and one cellphone.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  Well, shout out to the alphabet boys. We respect the law over here.

• 25:25Laci Mosley?

  Yo, we ain't gonna cancel Laura's slipper. We not. So there were three New York healthcare providers with questionable billings and a high number of Amtrak employees as patients. So all the Amtrak employees started going to, you know, the same three healthcare providers and was running it up. In June 2021, an undercover agent posed as an Amtrak employee and met with a Long Island City acupuncturist named Hudson Figaroa. She told the agent that her name was Suzie. So an undercover agent goes to the acupuncturist because that is covered by some insurance companies. And I love acupuncture. I love cupping. I love eastern medicine. I love washa. I'm very into this.

• 26:08Laci Mosley?

  And if you don't know what acupuncture is, it's like eastern medicine where like they typically use needles of varying sizes and they'll put them in pressure points all over your body. And it can help with chronic pain. It can help with muscle, like tension and aches and things like that and so much more. Fertility helps with that too. You don't like, you don't like acupuncture?

• 26:29Speaker 04

  I've never tried and I don't plan to.

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love it so much. My last acupuncture, I think I had it like maybe a month ago. And it was a new person that I was going to and he was like describing everything very American to me. And like his cupping procedure at that place, because I wasn't going to his main office. I was like, oh, so you're gonna put the fire on my back, right? And he was like, oh, you know about the, you know about the real cupping, how my grandma taught me.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Wait, can you explain what is cupping?

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so cupping is where you get, um, they have these like glass jars that are small. And they put them upside down on your back. And then they light a flame and it starts to like suck your skin into, like in your muscle into the cup. And then you kind of just lay there with all these cups like on your back and your neck and your shoulders. And you'll have these bruises, I call them very LA bruises, because you can see the girls out here who go to acupuncture. Because you'll have a bruise for like four days or somewhere in between, you know, one to four days. Now this, the cupping that we're looking at right here is the modern cupping where they don't use fire. And it's like they put the cup on your back and then they use an air pump and they like pull it up and um, sorry for that sound.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  This is a wild podcast. Wait, so you, okay, first of all, the sound, whoa.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  I'm so sorry.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  Secondly. You, so you willingly go get these bruises just so your back can feel good?

• 27:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because it's like

• 27:47Speaker 04

  This sounds like a scam.

• 27:49Laci Mosley?

  It's not. This is eastern medicine. A lot of western medicine is a scam because they give you a pill for your back. And the next thing you know, you're addicted or you got side effects or you can't go to the bathroom. And sometimes like, like I've gone for different things where like it definitely works like right away. I'm very much in with the good chi, out with the bad chi. Like my last guy that I went to, he, he was so surprised, he was Chinese and he was so surprised I knew so much about it. By the end of it, like I left and I was like, she, she, me, and like it was not weird at all. That just means thank you. But we were like really getting into it, but I love, I love a little eastern medicine moment for sure.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  I'm glad you clarified what that meant because I'm like, we just watched Love Island, we only know nothing that sound like nothing and nothing and say nothing and people think something else is being said. Please clarify.

• 28:33Laci Mosley?

  No, if y'all don't know, yeah, if you don't speak Chinese and y'all try to cancel me, y'all crazy.

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  But yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  I'm just here for support.

• 28:41Laci Mosley?

  So these Amtrak employees were going to this Long Island, Long Island City is already a scam city. Sorry, Long Island City, y'all know what y'all be doing over there. It's, we, we don't understand. It has, luckily it hasn't been gentrified yet, but it's, it's like, what is happening over there? You live in New York now, you'll never need to go to Long Island City.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  I, I've been there a little bit. They have like really good restaurant spots, like drinks and stuff.

• 29:04Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  And we tops.

• 29:05Laci Mosley?

  Mm, with hookah.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, yeah. That's when I went to Long Island City, I would just, we would go for hookah. Hookah and some kind of punch bowl special, something real big with lots of straws.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  I actually might, might protect this evening.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  No, seriously, like, that was already planned before you brought this up.

• 29:23Laci Mosley?

  I love it, I love it. I take it back, Long Island City. Y'all got the best hooks in town, okay? Um, apparently you got some good, uh, little shady acupuncturists. But it's plausible for Amtrak employees to want to go to an acupuncturist because sometime, some of it can be physical. And so you might have muscle aches or whatever. So that tracks to me. So this undercover agent comes, he's posed as an Amtrak employee. So I guess he was trying to do what we said earlier, like, how do you get the, the, uh, acupuncturist?

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Like, start the conversation.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. So I guess he got the cups on, he was like, ooh, this is so good. How much is it? Ten thousand dollars? Like, I don't know what he was trying to do, but the acupuncturist punts and Figaroa. She must have peeped game immediately. I feel like I can tell when somebody's a cop, even if they're out of uniform.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  How can you tell? What's your relation to scams?

• 30:12Laci Mosley?

  There's a certain energy about them that is like, they are a bit of a scammer. It's like you have this perceived authority over, over other people because we gave it to you. Like, you just like us for real. Like, okay, we just gave you a murder machine in your pocket. Like, you, you're not different than us. But they walk like they're different, they talk like they're different. They like, they have this air of like, um, authority.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  A lot of times.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's given narc, for real. Well, narc is like a little weasel. Narc is like asking you too many questions and like jealous, that energy. Cop energy is always like.

• 30:45Laci Mosley?

  Here I am. It's never cool energy either. It's not like, oh, they got swag. It's just like, here I am. Yeah. So, uh, Punson figured peep game and said that, so the agent, her name was Suzie. Yeah, my name is Suzie. I love it. So Suzie.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 31:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, okay. And Suzie was a scammer. So Suzie told the agent to sign his name about thirty times for services received and Amtrak's healthcare plan, indicating that the undercover agent had visited providers at least seven times that may, receiving acupuncture and physical therapy.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  That was a lie.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  Jess, I love you. Jess put in here, Maury voice, that was a lie. That was a lie. And the lie detector determined. So Suzie, you kind of messed up. You gave a fake name, but then you did the crime with him. Like you were just, you just trusted him implicitly and were like, oh, yeah, you're Amtrak employee. So sign here and here, initial here, date there and here and here. Okay, flip the page. Yep, right there in the highlighted section. Like, and basically made up all these appointments that he had never had because this was his first time visiting the acupuncturist. Do we think this is a good scam so far? Like, just how it's orchestrated? The, just, we're just talking?

• 31:57Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't think so. You let me know, because you, you mean, you do this scam thing.

• 32:00Laci Mosley?

  I just mean logistically.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel like logistically is too many, like, the, all of the steps, something's bound to fall in all the steps. It takes you too long to get to like, we're here, we're locked in, and now we're doing the thing.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I also think that, uh, Suzie, AKA Punson, is way too trusting. When you're doing crime, like, I've never seen, like, at least in crime television shows and movies, or even in the scams that I've researched, like, the good scammers don't just let you into the grift. They're not like, oh, welcome. Okay, sign up here for this crime, right here.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  It's normally a circle or a network of things.

• 32:33Laci Mosley?

  You gotta get recommended by another criminal, you know, you gotta get jumped into the organization. You don't get to just walk in and be like, I would like to be a part of the crime. They don't do that.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  For real.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  We gotta know your details.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  And that's what I'm saying. This, this is, this doesn't make, this is, this is already messing up, because it's too many, like, come on over, come hang out with us. Hey, come have a drink.

• 32:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, we don't know you. Oh, my gosh, my vetting system for my personal life has gotten so much more strict. Honey, we are strict over here now, because I let a few crazy people in and I had to get them exiled. Like, it's, you, you gotta be strict. When you too nice, the people, the weirdos creep in and you, it'd be too late. By the time you realize they are weirdo, it's too late. So you know, like, you gotta be strict. And that's a, that's a note out there for all of you in your lives. Like, you are the prize, okay? Don't be giving the prize away for free. Vet the prize, vet anybody trying to get near the precious jewels, okay? They gotta have security clearance to get around you because people are weird.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  You do comedy, life lessons, scam alerts.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  You opened with a God and basically a prayer. All of that happens every episode here?

• 33:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, girl, and I'm so glad you acknowledged that because I really am trying to start my church. And you know, I'ma need that snippet for when I'm legit.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  I don't know if you can start a church, I'll be honest with you.

• 33:47Laci Mosley?

  My fanbase is called The Congregation, okay? C O, capital C O N.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  The way that people feel about church being a scam and your, your relativeness to, uh, I'm still trying to figure out what is your relationship with scams and all that? And then you wanna start, go start a church? And the people can't really answer that question, I think you should leave the church alone.

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  That's why my church is amazing because you already know what you're getting, okay? I will pull up in a Rolls Royce, but I will also give back to the community.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  You gonna lock the doors for twenty dollars too?

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no, no. You know what? He was so wrong for that auction of blessings like that. How you gonna not let us leave? Bitch, what is it, Eddie, uh? He from my state too, Texas. We have the, Texas has, I believe, I'm gonna say it and, and then I'm gonna research it because you can't actually quantify this, but I feel like we have the most scam churches in the continental U.S. Like, we have a lot of scam churches, like mega churches, like, they, they branch off, like, they, like, you know, uh, franchises of Popeyes, and it's just a mess. It's a mess. Even the tiny church I went to, if you read my book, you'll find out how it turned out to be a scam. But yes, so it's, we love a scam in a church. But I'm telling you the truth, Lauren. Like, when you come in, you know what you're getting. And we're also gonna help the community and we're gonna do good things.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  But am I, you hear what I'll do? I won't steal money from the congregation because I feel like that's wrong. I will give that money to the community and redisperse it to people in need in the church. But I will pay myself through my other businesses, just so I can get the, you know what I mean? Get my salary going through my company and then I don't have to pay taxes.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  You definitely sound like a mega church pastor. Go ahead, girl, go on.

• 35:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, but they steal, they stealing from the congregation.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  They always find an LLC to pay something through.

• 35:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna take my.

• 35:28Speaker 04

  I don't love them. Some of them are, are shepherds of the Lord.

• 35:30Laci Mosley?

  Okay, not, yeah, not all of them.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  But baby, the way that they find an LLC or offshore or something, a foundation to pay a something or something or something.

• 35:39Laci Mosley?

  All I'm gonna do is take my performance money, like the acting, the shows, the books, the things that I do, the podcasts and stuff, and just funnel it through the church. So then I don't have to pay taxes on it. But I'ma keep, I'ma let the church have their money.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Again, guys, I'm just here as a listener and a participant of the podcast. I have nothing to do with the formation of this business nor this enterprise. God is good, amen.

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  Yo, Jess, remind me when I start my church to pull this from the internet, because y'all ain't about to have me like Young Thug in the court playing my bars at me.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  This is sounding like a very blessed Rico, and I don't want no parts.

• 36:16Laci Mosley?

  Very blessed Rico, amen. I love that.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  No, no, no, that ain't, no, amen.

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I gotta put out some gossip. Very blessed Rico. You heard it here first from Lauren Lorosa. Very blessed Rico. You should, oh, I wish y'all could see the way she looked at me. She about to jump through this screen. Oh, my God.

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• 38:37Laci Mosley?

  And fraud. So, back to the agent. The agent visited Susie's office one more time in July. This time, she handed him an envelope filled with $1,000. After that, she continued to use the undercover agent's personal and insurance information to submit dozens of fraudulent claims to the Amtrak healthcare plan. So she broke him off a stack. She's definitely getting way more than that. So Susie is the one probably really coming up here. These people are getting like $1,000? So Susie conspired with dozens of Amtrak employees and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash kickbacks. Okay, Susie, you are an ethical scammer. You gave them their kickbacks and they got their coin.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  You gotta pay your people.

• 39:20Laci Mosley?

  You gotta pay your people because otherwise they're gonna snitch on you. Okay? You do. So hundreds of thousands of dollars in kickbacks to Amtrak employees over the course of this scheme, which ran from 2017 to 2022. So we're looking at five years. In total, she cost Amtrak $9 million in false and fraudulent claims. A queen. 9 million? You made 9 million and you didn't have to like pump nobody or prick nobody? I know, that's right. See, you should have left the country after like 5. I think I would have slid it like maybe, I would have pushed it with 6 million. But I think after 6 million-

• 39:57Speaker 04

  You say that until you feel how easily that money is coming. I think that's where most scammers go wrong and people who have these elaborate enterprise schemes. It's like, it's always, there's never a cutoff because it becomes so easy, you become so like untouchable a bit that the money is just flowing, everybody's happy and then it all falls down.

• 40:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I just feel like if sis hadn't gone to eight million, probably she could have slid. Like, like you could have stopped at seven and then left New, left Long Island City. You know, move somewhere else.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  I don't know, people getting ran down on to this day, the PPP loans for like, what? Ten, five thousand dollars. So they coming after you for any amount of money.

• 40:38Laci Mosley?

  And that's some BS to me because y'all wanna run down on everyday Americans who pretended that they had a farm in Idaho because they were going broke and couldn't work.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  Or, or retail shop, or retail business.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  Retail business. But then what about, like, y'all wanna put Blue from Pretty Ricky up in jailhouse? But then y'all let Khloe Kardashian have her loans be forgiven? Like, she could have paid them people. Like, people were just trying to, like, now, Blue did do some egregious stuff with the money. He bought some cars and stuff. But I'm like, if you were just trying to pay bills and you saw this as an opportunity to get a little coin, I'm not that mad at it. But they're forgiving huge PPP loans, you're right. And they're coming after people who took five thousand dollars because they want free labor in the prison. We know.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, so they ain't letting that two five, the two, the three, four, five million slip.

• 41:20Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they might not have caught it. Like, it took them till nine million to realize something was up. I feel like, I feel like if everybody had just stopped around four mil and been like, you know what? I hope you put your money in some, you know, you got an IRA, you got some college funds for your kids. Quit Amtrak, move to another state. Get on the Amtrak the next time you work there and just ride it away. And, you know. And maybe they would have made it.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  I don't know. I, I just, I just, for me, it's like, I get the excitement, the thrill and like, the, I'm gonna take back what was taken from me and my people of, of the scamming. But the end of it, I, I'm just, I always feel like you're never gonna, you never get away with this and just go live a happy, peaceful life. Like, it's 2025. The internet is too vast, our technology is too vast.

• 42:10Laci Mosley?

  People are getting away with things. And, and we don't know who they are because they're getting away with it.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Who?

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  There's some scammers I'll never meet. And I think about that and I get sad. I stare out the window as the rain pours down the window pane, slowly driving me insane. Yeah, I think about those scammers.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  How did this start for you? This connects, not me taking over the podcast. This connection with this scam stuff, like, what, what is the, like?

• 42:35Laci Mosley?

  How? Why? Well, if you read my book, I won't spoil the beginning, but it started when I was five. What's the name of the book? Scam Goddess. And we keep the brand strong. The television show on Hulu is also Scam Goddess. You know, I don't want you to forget. You know, just go, you know what? One name you gotta remember. Scam Goddess Church. Hallelujah, amen. Um, it'll all be, goddess is already in the title, church.

• 42:58Laci Mosley?

  No, I was just fascinated with, like, I, I guess at an early age, I learned how to, like, get what I wanted from people, but it was things that I, like, needed. Like, I basically got abandoned at school when there was no school when I was five. And so I spent the whole day, like, scamming, basically, like scamming my way into hanging out with a family and pretending I was with them until, you know, that, that shook down. And like, it was just the whole day was like that. And then when I was eventually found, I scam my way into a dessert that I wanted for dinner. You know, but- Oh, you ain't get a beating? No, no.

• 43:34Laci Mosley?

  No, because they left me there.

• 43:37Laci Mosley?

  Um, but you can read about it in my book, but, and, and you've probably heard it on this podcast if you're an early enough listener. But yeah, I just have always had a fascination with confidence artists and people who saw rules and decided that they had no hand in creating them, so why should they follow them? Like, we're all just people. Everything made up. So, and I remember when I learned everything made up, it was from my cousin. He was grading papers. He was a teacher at the time in a New York City school. And I was reading some of the names and I was like, Jarvavi, who would they make baby this? And my cousin looked me dead in my face, eh, and he was like, every name is made up. And I was like, ooh, the white supremacy had jumped into me. And I was like, get out of me, devil.

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  So you know what I mean? It's like, we can make our own rules. And like, if I want to go to a place and I feel like I should belong there, if I walk in with the right outfit on and act like it's the most ghetto shit that I've ever seen in my life, no one questions me. They don't even look at my credentials. Because now when I walk into places that I should be in, no one questions me and looks at my credentials, because I look like I'm like, I should be here, so. So I used to do that.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  I think, I think that that's, that's the, I'm not a scammer, but that's a dreamer lifestyle too. It's just like, oh no, this is mine. I'm supposed to be here. And you just fake it till you make it, even if it's just mentality faking it until you make it.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  And honestly, is it faking it if you were always it?

• 44:54Speaker 04

  No, it's not.

• 44:55Laci Mosley?

  If you were born that girl, then you, you supposed to be that girl. Still that girl, always will be that girl.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  And these are things that they would hear in the church, in your church, right?

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Okay, see, see, so we will be preaching. We will be preaching.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  I won't be there, but you will be.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  I feel like you'll show up for one service to see what is given.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  I might click a YouTube link.

• 45:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness. So, nine million dollars racked up by Susie. They ran the train on the train. Okay, so I'm, we're gonna figure out what my producer just means by that because I'm a little, uh, scared. So inside Amtrak, two of the scam ringleaders were former employees, Devon Burt, oh no, not Devon.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Right, still don't have Devon.

• 45:39Laci Mosley?

  Cause we know that's one of us.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  I was about to say, tell people why you said that.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  Not Day Day, oh my god.

• 45:47Laci Mosley?

  Not Day Day, oh my god, I ain't never met a white Day Day. Okay, so Devon Burt of Blue Bell, Pennsylvania, and Hallam Gelsner of East Orange, New Jersey. Okay, that may not be us. They, they were responsible for recruiting Amtrak employees to participate in this scheme. So they were running the, the scam train on the train. They would be working and be like, hey, bro, like, don't, don't your back hurt? Like, don't you, don't you wanna make a thousand dollars? Like, love it. They admitted that they threatened to injure a healthcare provider unless Hallam was paid a cut of thousands of dollars, like a true classic mob shakedown. Oh man. Now threats of bodily harm.

• 46:31Laci Mosley?

  I'm still on y'all's side a little bit. Walk with me Lauren, walk with me here.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Thought you was about to be like, no, that's too far. I'm walking, go ahead, go ahead. I'm slow walking, I'm a little behind you, I'm trying to see like, I'm scoping the scene.

• 46:43Laci Mosley?

  So, when the Montgomery bus boycott, bus boycotts happened. And, black people stopped riding the bus because we were trying to end segregation and you know, not sitting in the back of the bus, there was the parks of it all, right? And, there was a bus boycott. This boycott, first of all, we don't know how to do boycotts now. Y'all girls be like, we boycotting Amazon from the first to the third. Boycotts do not have an end date. You can't tell the people you're boycotting that y'all gonna come back in three days. That's not how boycotts work. You gotta keep boycotting until they do what you want. And you gotta have demands. You can't just be like, we gonna hurt them. Like, what do you want from them? Hello? We really need our civil rights leaders back because the girls are out here just flailing.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  The Mika Mallory is trying.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  And we gotta, we gotta get on their side because we need help. And, so the boycotts that they had, the bus boycotts, there were people, there were black people trying to get on those buses. And the Panthers, the black Panthers would like snatch them off the bus, beat their asses.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  Yes. You thought everybody complied?

• 47:48Speaker 04

  No, I didn't think everybody complied, but I just didn't hear this, this, this part.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  No, we don't talk about this part in history, it's documented, but just like in today's culture, we have some people who can't be saved in, in our cultures, in everybody's culture, you know what I mean? In white culture, y'all got yourselves MAGAs, and black culture, we got our, our abuser supporters and then all types of people. We all have our, we all have our bad people because like, a race does not inherently make you good. So, there were a lot of people who were like, trying to get on that bus so they could get out of the heat and, and they went straight to the back to get to their job and the Panthers would jump on that bus and grab them. And be like, we are boycotting, what are you doing? Get your ass off of this bus.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  I do think you need some sort of, there has to be some sort of, um, I don't even know what you call it, but, I think, I guess the best way to put it is for every Martin Luther King, you do need a Malcolm X.

• 48:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, perfect.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  That's how I feel anyway. People will argue different, but I do feel that. I can understand that, right?

• 48:45Laci Mosley?

  An acupuncturist, a podiatrist, and a penis enhancement doc walk into a bar. In addition to Suzie, they also worked with a New Jersey doctor, Mohammed Mazera, who made more than a million dollars from the scheme. So, this is Mazera's aesthetics. He did Botox, Juvederm. He did, oh, he did all the things, okay. And he looks very upstanding doctor-ish, but it's something about the way he's looking at me that's like, yeah, I'll do a little crime, just like a little bit. Like, his forehead is full of secrets.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  I see it. I see it. The lips too.

• 49:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, very much.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Lips full of lies, forehead full of secrets. I see it.

• 49:25Laci Mosley?

  Lips full of lies, forehead full of secrets. Amen.

• 49:28Speaker 04

  We can spot a lie. He probably a Leo.

• 49:30Laci Mosley?

  No, he probably a Leo.

• 49:33Laci Mosley?

  It is giving. It's giving Leo. And he never thought he was gonna get caught. He has the assurance of somebody who's done crime before and just does not get caught. And he got newspaper ads. And I'm looking at his charges for the Juvederm and the Botox and like, I'm thinking about what it costs.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  Are these good numbers? I've never done any of this stuff.

• 49:53Laci Mosley?

  I feel like his Botox units are a little high, but the Juvederm, it depends, because he got his face over what, how many units you're gonna get, which is wild.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:04Laci Mosley?

  But the prices look pretty comparable. They don't look too bad. So, before this script, oh my gosh, we were right. We were right. Before this script, Mazera had sued Yelp over bad reviews and had his New Jersey medical license suspended for botched breast and penis enhancement surgeries. I knew this wasn't his first scam. I knew the trains were not the first scam.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  How do you botch a penis?

• 50:29Laci Mosley?

  I don't think you're supposed to be operating on a penis.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  How do you come back from that? Because botched boobs, I know some people go, they just wait. They go back and then they restructure them.

• 50:41Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. Or they take that implant out and they put a better one in, or you know, upgrade you.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  How do you fix a botched penis?

• 50:48Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what you gotta do to it. I don't, I don't know. You might have to have an external device to work it again or something. I'm not exactly sure. But also like,

• 50:57Speaker 04

  I learned so much today.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  As much as penis haveers who love their penises love penises, I'm surprised y'all would take the penis under a knife. Like, that just feels scary. I don't know if you should be doing that.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  I don't know why, I just keep thinking of a chewed up Tootsie Roll, but let's move forward.

• 51:13Laci Mosley?

  Not that visual, oh no.

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it might be ribbed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y'all didn't hear that. Y'all didn't hear me say that. The last crooked doctor was a New York podiatrist named Michael De Nicola, who later pled guilty to conspiracy to commit healthcare fraud, distribution of a controlled substance, and unlawful possession of a firearm, and is awaiting sentencing. He paid one Amtrak employee on oxycodone prescriptions instead of cash. So he was trying, so Dr. De Nicola, he was trying to keep even more money by being like, okay, I can give you your $1,000, or I can give you a script for oxy, which is a highly controlled substance, which is extremely addictive.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  I know what oxy is.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  Of course, we know you do. It was for the girls outside.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, no. Don't say it like that.

• 52:06Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I ain't saying like you, like you know a person, like you be doing it. Oh, my gosh, Lauren. Lauren is over here really doing. She's not, she's not stepping on no minefield.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  Clip it up. Lauren Lorosa says she knows what oxy is. How does she know?

• 52:22Laci Mosley?

  She said she really knew. No, oh, my goodness. Yeah, the days of the internet right now, you can't say anything out of context. You gotta whip it up real quick so they can't clip it together. So let's look at some of the, we're gonna backtrack for a second to look at Dr. Mizera's Yelp reviews. I just wanna see a couple of negative ones, because what were they saying about this man? Did he?

• 52:42Speaker 04

  I would love to hear from one of the botched penises.

• 52:44Laci Mosley?

  One-star reviews when you're a doctor is crazy. Okay, so, so we have a-

• 52:50Speaker 04

  I wish I'd read this before I saw the doctor. Don't you re, I think I re-review if I'm going to catheters. I've never been to a catheter surgery doctor, but I would read a review first.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you're not gonna be, first of all, I take personal recommendations from people whose work that I've seen. I'm not rolling up in here on some Yelp shit, like, so you could cut open my body. That's wild. So this one says, "I wish I read this before I saw the doctor." He has a bag of pre-filled unlabeled syringes that he whips out. And with the sleight of hand, he starts stabbing you with the needle. No prep and bam, they shoo you out. No instructions, no aftercare, no advice. Most professional healthcare providers know that you you insert a needle at an angle, not straight like a dartboard. No.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  You just in there sticking, y'all. First time in my life that 30 units of Botox made no difference on my forehead and in between my eyebrows. What a waste of money. I agree buyer beware and Groupon should not be having these ads available. Okay. Please do not do Groupon for your face.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  Now sis, we started off this episode and I was telling you, I don't feel bad for people who sign up for the BS.

• 54:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  If you find your cosmetic doctor on Groupon and you don't re-review on top of that.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  You have empathy for these people?

• 54:25Laci Mosley?

  I mean, everybody wants to look the way they want to look. And we don't know what these people use their faces for or why they need Botox. And why they, you know, maybe they can't afford this, so they need to get a little cheaper.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  We don't know what they use their faces for?

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  We don't, we don't know what they use their boobs or their faces for, okay? It's people out here doing sex work and stuff and they might get a boost in, you know, membership if they got a new titty. Or, you know, a smoother face. So we don't, and it's not just sex work, you know, it's models. We don't know what you're using it for, so you might be in a pinch and you might really need it. Or you get more tips at the place that you work at, we don't know. But I will say it's not good judgment, um, because it's just your face is forever. It's the only one you get. And I mean, unless you do plastic surgery, but if you botch it, then you can't go back to the original. They don't have no redo on the face. You can't get back to what you lost. So it's a real big risk.

• 55:21Laci Mosley?

  But also I'm of the mind that this man is like one step up from those people who did BBLs with like weird fillers in the basement.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 55:34Laci Mosley?

  He was like, instead of the basement, I'm gonna get an office.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Allegedly.

• 55:38Laci Mosley?

  Allegedly. I'm gonna get an office. Because how are you getting like, anytime I've gotten Botox or Even a little juvenile, it comes from like a syringe, I mean, not a syringe. It comes from a bottle that is sealed. And then they use the syringe. They, it's not, it's not you just grab a syringe out of a bag. Are you reusing these? Where is your biohazard like trash can? What's going on?

• 56:05Speaker 04

  I've never done that, um, any of that, but if, if and when I do, I, I would just, I'm going to research before I go. Heavily research before I go.

• 56:15Laci Mosley?

  Girl, I know all about it.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Well.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  Well, I don't mean like.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  You got a lot of sympathy for the scams and stuff. I don't know, you might send me somewhere that.

• 56:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm not trying to send you to the scams.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  I want the people get back at the system that something, something, something. I want to go where the system is. Whoever is with the system, wherever they go, send me there.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  See, you got, see, you got me confused, Lauren, because I'm not, I'm not trying to get people to do this scam. I'm warning people about scams. Everybody who's listening to this right now, they now know some new stuff. That's what we're doing over here. I'm not gonna send you into the scam fire.

• 56:47Speaker 04

  A scams, I just didn't, you know, there's a, the empathy, I'm like, girl, my forehead is on the line here. I don't need the empathy. I need to go where the people that know be going.

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  My empathy is with the people who went there. Cause you asked me like, why would these people do this? My empathy is with the victims. My empathy is not with this scammer. I want him packed up, locked up. They need to close the doors on this, uh, syringe in a bag special. Like, I, I, that's very weird and bad.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, cause now I'm looking like a chewed up Tootsie Roll in the forehead. And it's because I trusted my girl scam goddess, you know what I mean?

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  No, now this is where I have to act like you. That would never happen because I would never recommend anything that would be illegal or harmful to you.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we got ads on this show, Lauren.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Do, listen, I'm just here, I'm a willing participant here. Well, not in any enterprises though.

• 57:39Laci Mosley?

  Still clarifying.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  I've been in court for the last two months. Just the word skin is making me like quiver.

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  In court for Diddy, not because I did anything.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  We know.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  I didn't do anything. No, they don't know. They might not know.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  I know you didn't mean for that to sound the way it sounded when it came out, but it did.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, and not for him, like there as a reporter.

• 57:59Laci Mosley?

  You said I'm not in court for Diddy, but I didn't do anything.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  Let's just get back to the reviews. This one is pretty long. What is this one saying here?

• 58:04Laci Mosley?

  OK, so we're gonna clip into this one because it's very long. I show up and wait close to two hours after arriving promptly for my appointment. I finally meet with Dr. Mazara and he has all the fillers and syringes laid out on a folding chair.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 58:25Laci Mosley?

  Not in their respective boxes, displayed neatly, or even packed away nicely in a travel case, considering this isn't a personal, his personal office. No, no, syringes. Oh, considering that this is his personal office. No, no, syringes on a folding chair. Not even an office swivel chair, my guy. You got them on the fold out.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, or like the little table that they scoop out when they come, like the little, you know, the little tray.

• 58:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the little tray thing. Like, baby, not I'm going to the cookout and I'm also getting syringes. Like, you got a folding chair. This is a spade table chair. Like, no. So it says, not samples, not empty dummy syringes. These are real syringes that he's about to inject into your face. Little did I realize this until he picked up a syringe of what I think is Botox off the folding chair and proceeded to just fill my forehead. I wasn't even sitting down.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Did she leave? Did she let him touch her?

• 59:43Speaker 04

  That is the real question because this is exactly why I don't feel bad for the people getting scanned. Let, let me, tell me. Tell me she went home.

• 59:50Laci Mosley?

  You get a medical procedure while you standing up is crazy.

• 59:58Laci Mosley?

  That's like if I went to get my eyebrows done and they was like, yeah, just stand right here and they just start plugging them. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Imagine getting your lashes done.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  And they just like, alright. Stand up.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Squat.

• 1:00:09Laci Mosley?

  Squat is wild.

• 1:00:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, and the lash text also need to be stopped because that's not, y'all out here making these ladies eyes red and burning them with glue. Like, and then they got the nerve to post it on your Instagram like they look good. Y'all got these ladies looking like Snuffleufagus with pink eye. That's wrong. That's wrong.

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  My lash girl be doing me right.

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  I love a good lash installment. I'm low right now, I'm about to go get mine done.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  My lash girl be doing me good.

• 1:00:33Laci Mosley?

  But, yeah, I'll never leave with the burning.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  I've been to the ones you talking about though where you gotta like, you out, you peeling lashes out your face for two days because it hurts.

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  This, this woman right here, did she stay and get this Botox or whatever she was getting while she was standing?

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  So, this person says, "I wasn't even sitting down and, and we really didn't go over concerns prior to anything. He just made me stand up, he injected my forehead and that was it. Of course, he tried to sell me other fillers, but now my guard was up." It needs to be, you need to be running. I don't know what you mean guard up.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Exactly. Now, listen.

• 1:01:09Laci Mosley?

  Your knees need to be up.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Now you hear, now you hearing me. Why would you allow this man to poke your face? There was no red flag before any of this?

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  With folding chair needles. I feel like the first red flag was the folding chair needles and.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  I would hate to see this person's dating life. I know she, she be in six flags, having a time.

• 1:01:27Laci Mosley?

  Hell, like she, six flags, unless she paying, she ain't going to Six Flags, okay? She lucky she go to the Dollar Theater.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  No, I mean because they got all the flags and she ain't ignoring them.

• 1:01:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, the Six Flags, she ain't gonna see none of them, okay? She, she walked out her cotton candy and that's it. So obviously, the guards are up. I think we already said the guards should have been, we'll pass that. Upon leaving, I tried to inquire about other fillers, and he was extremely rude, dismissive, condescending, and literally rolled his eyes countless times as if he just couldn't be bothered. I left. Okay. Why were you asking about other fillers? You just got jabbed while you were standing up.

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  And complained the whole time, and you hit.

• 1:02:12Laci Mosley?

  Babes, they don't do that at Walgreens for free flu shots. They let you sit down. And you got jabbed.

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  And sometimes, if you, because I remember when it was on the COVID shots, you might sit down on a folding chair. So he had the chair for you. He just didn't offer you the seat.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it was too busy holding all the other syringes.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  Let's get to the bottom of this. So flash mob insurance scammers in the Northeast region specifically, the 119 Amtrak scammers who sold their insurance info were mostly located on the New York to DC route specifically. They were based in Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Connecticut, and Washington DC. So that makes sense to me as why they can catch this as fast, the nine million, because this is across different state lines. So they had to probably start doing the math. Here's a quote from Amtrak's Inspector General Kevin H. Winters. He says, "The sheer volume of employees who cavalierly participated in this scheme to steal Amtrak's funds suggests not only a serious lapse in basic ethics, but troubling workforce culture, at least in the Northeast region, which is a blatant criminal behavior somehow normalized."

• 1:03:15Laci Mosley?

  And look at this guy. Bitch, fuck you. I hate this man, and I don't even need to know him. Because, oh, a lapse in basic ethics, stealing from Amtrak. Amtrak, are you paying your workers a livable wage? Are you paying them enough money that they don't want to lose their job? Because if you pay people enough money that they don't want to lose their job, they most likely won't engage in fraud, because the job is too good.

• 1:03:40Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? Like, what's, what's worth the risk? Like, me doing this shady scheme and losing my benefits, my pension, and all my good money coming in, and my kids having, having, you know, food and healthcare and, and, and, you know, a decent living. We can go on vacation at least once or twice a year. If it's a good job, you're not risking your good job for a scheme. Y'all was over there tricking men.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  I had, um, I had friends that worked for Amtrak. They, they don't work there anymore, though.

• 1:04:04Laci Mosley?

  I'm sure they don't.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, they don't.

• 1:04:07Laci Mosley?

  Nobody's, I've never heard anybody be like, "Amtrak, such a great job. They so good to us." Like, no one has ever said that, ever.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  I think it's a location thing. I'm from Delaware, so the friends that were working there were from Delaware as well, too. It's a lot of Amtrak workers. I think it depends on where you are in Amtrak, too, you know? Depending on, like, what you do. But it's a lot to get to, like, the good-paying jobs and, you know, they have, like, these unions and things like that, but...

• 1:04:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  That's a whole nother conversation, because I think unions and those conversations, too, can be a, that could be a topic for you as well, girl, because they...

• 1:04:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  They get into something.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  I know. I'm on, uh, I'm, I'm pro-union, though. I'm in a union. I love it.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Well, you're in the talent side, so it works well for you.

• 1:04:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, other sides, it gets a little dicey. So, um, some of the workers even handed over their kids' insurance information. Now you put the baby in it now.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  Not the baby, but the baby.

• 1:04:56Laci Mosley?

  The baby getting acupuncture. Be serious. Given the recent trend of rail accidents, Amtrak workers might actually want to have access to their healthcare plan coverage for real. Like, we've had railroads longer than we've had most travel. Like, we, we ain't got the railroad right yet. So, worker's still on the job. Suzy, the Long Island City acupuncturist, was sentenced to 34 months in prison for fraud in order to pay back the $9 million. Now, y'all know Suzy ain't got it. I don't even know why y'all playing with her like that. Devon, or this could be Devon, and maybe I read it with an accent. No, it's Devon. It's Devon. And Hal.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Devon could still be one of us, too.

• 1:05:32Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. So the Amtrak ringleaders pled guilty to conspiracy to commit healthcare fraud and conspiracy to communicate extortion threats. As a part of the plea agreement, Devon agreed to pay back nearly a million dollars. Hallam agreed to pay back about 1.66 million. Twelve more American Amtrak employees are facing criminal charges. Seven of them have already pled guilty and are waiting sentencing. Twenty-eight other employees relied, or I'm sorry, retired or resigned in the disgrace because of the investigation and another 30 left the company for other reasons around the time that everybody did this. But 61 of the scammers still work at Amtrak, which is partly taxpayer-funded, by the way.

• 1:06:17Laci Mosley?

  So I say the 61 employees who still work there, we, clearly we need them, like y'all see all these crashes? And they got like, what, a stack from this scheme? They weren't making the hundreds of thousands of dollars that the ringleaders were making, like, come on. Do you want to work on the train?

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  I do think there's something to what you were saying earlier when you were like, you know, uh, I don't even know if it's a thing of value of your job versus do I commit a crime. I think it's a thing of like, inside of working for the business, but also too, whatever is happening outside in the world, like, like, right now, people are hurting so bad because of how expensive things are. Even if you have a well-paying job, if it's the choice between I can overly feed my family and be comfortable and just think through life because I'm not stressed about money, you're probably going to choose that. So if one thing gets you to that, you might take the risk and do it. So, you know, my empathy comes in a little bit there because I can get that. You know what I mean? People doing what they gotta do to get by.

• 1:07:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then everybody is squeezing us harder and harder and harder. I remember when you used to buy a cellphone, I won't say any brand, you used to buy a cellphone, it would be the cellphone, it would be the charging cord, the block that the charging cord goes into, and some headphones. Now, when you buy a cellphone, it's just the phone and maybe a cord. Like, they're squeezing us, everything, they're nickel and diming us to death. And insurance companies have a great branding way of nickel and diming you to death because they branded everything. So it's like, you got a deductible. What does that really mean? It means you paid all this money into this system, but since you actually need to use the system, we're gonna need a little more money from you because, uh, we greedy. You got preemie.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  If you can't afford to really pay per month, right? Like, it's kind of like a classism. No, not economically, just puts you in a bad position. Because if you're a person who really doesn't have the money anyway, and you're having to force yourself to pay for insurance because you need it, you're not going to get the lowest deductible. You're trying to just afford that monthly payment or whatever you've got to do for those assurances.

• 1:08:17Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Now you're put in a position.

• 1:08:19Laci Mosley?

  Companies that advertise, "We have health benefits." It's like, no, you're basically saying, your livelihood is attached to you being employed. You like it?

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  But that's the, that's the, that's the real world.

• 1:08:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but it's like, if you branded like, "Health benefits" versus like, "Live to work, work to live," then one sounds better. It's like, listen, "Health benefits or die if you don't get to the desk."

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  I understand you more now. It's more like a radicalist view. It's like, uh, the, like, people versus the capitalists.

• 1:08:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, absolutely. And it's, it's so funny how we call it radical because we've normalized what's actually radical is how we're being pinched and squeezed and stolen from every single day of our lives. Like, being alive costs so much money, I can't go outside my house without spending at least $20 to $200. Air ain't free no more.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  I was about to say, where you going for $20? Because I feel like every time I walk out, I spend $100 to $200.

• 1:09:15Laci Mosley?

  Yep, the hundred is the new 20. A 20 don't give what it used to give. You used to, you spend against some things.

• 1:09:20Speaker 04

  Outside costs at least $150. Gas, it's like, you're spending like $70 to fill your car up.

• 1:09:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, oh, yes, 70, 75. And don't be in California, you can creep into 100, depending on what neighborhood you're in and what kind of car you drive. Easy.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  And don't eat, don't not eat before you leave your house.

• 1:09:38Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, you want some outside food? Oh, that's going to run you at least $67. And that's for your meal, okay?

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Laci Mosley?

  And, oh, you want a drink with it? Okay, now we pushing 89, so.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  You better get the water and the tap.

• 1:09:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, tap. When they say "sparklers still a tap," everybody just screams, "Tap!" I'll go get it myself. Where y'all sink at? I already got mine from the bathroom.

• 1:10:02Laci Mosley?

  We can't play, but oh my goodness, Lauren, this was such a blast. It was so nice to meet you. Welcome to the congregation, even though we know you are only on the legal abiding, law abiding side. We have two pews, so you know, the shadier people sit on the other pew. Close to me.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  I ain't judging them neither. I, I, you know, we in church, y'all church hug.

• 1:10:24Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Come as you are. Amen, amen. So we always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug, socials, anything you got going on you want people to see?

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I have the latest with Lauren Lorosa, which is my podcast. It is weekday mornings and it is your daily digestible breakdown of all things pop culture, entertainment news. And I do some exclusive news. We break news there as well too, but we also get into conversations that shake the room. That's why I've enjoyed this conversation, like conversations that really impact people. You know, opinion and thought that you don't necessarily hear everywhere because you know, people don't want to get into the thing sometimes, but we do over my podcast. So you guys can check that out anywhere you get your podcasts. And then I'm Lauren Lorosa everywhere. So Instagram, TikTok, Twitter. Lauren Lorosa, it's L O R E N, not L A U R E N, and Lorosa is L O R O S A. I am not Dominican.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  Please put some cotton fields all over my name. Um, but yeah, and then of course you see me on the Breakfast Club daily as well too. Breakfast Club is everywhere on social, the Breakfast Club.

• 1:11:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you can find it everywhere. Charlamagne once presented me with the iHeart Radio Award.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Oh, that's, that's fire.

• 1:11:31Laci Mosley?

  Very funny because they told me I had to walk and stuff. Yeah, it's lovely. So.

• 1:11:35Speaker 04

  He's real short, isn't he?

• 1:11:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, he made me feel tall because I am, I'm five nine on the internet. So, you know.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a little round man.

• 1:11:44Laci Mosley?

  He's gonna love that. Charlamagne, come on the show.

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  You back there, I'm, do you see, I'm really serious. I mean.

• 1:11:49Laci Mosley?

  No, I mean, I, yeah, I was with him. Yeah.

• 1:11:53Laci Mosley?

  But he not that little because I'm tall, so we both tall, so you know what I mean? Like.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  Oh, you're short too?

• 1:11:58Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm, I'm a, I have a tall personality, Lauren, you're not hearing me, I'm five nine.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  Oh, my bad, dang, sorry.

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  On the internet, okay, because no man has ever been five nine. That's only on daily dating profiles, but me.

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  Y'all aren't short, y'all are height comfortable.

• 1:12:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we have tall personalities, that's what we like to say, Lauren, okay? Yes.

• 1:12:15Speaker 04

  Love it, shoot for the stars, girl.

• 1:12:17Laci Mosley?

  Wow, you're speaking like a tall. I, I feel.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  I give a little five eight, five nine over there, but it's cool, it's cool. It's alright, it's alright.

• 1:12:25Laci Mosley?

  So we the same height, sis, why you playing, calling me short?

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  That's not short.

• 1:12:32Laci Mosley?

  I'm gaslighting you.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  You said you was Charlamagne type, he's a little man.

• 1:12:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm gaslighting you, girl.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, how tall are you really, you like five two?

• 1:12:41Laci Mosley?

  You know, I'm five.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  The way you just spun around that chair, I feel like your, your, uh, feet aren't on the ground. I just saw that.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  Okay, alright, I gotta go.

• 1:12:50Laci Mosley?

  They're definitely kicking.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  I'm about to get kicked out of the congregation. I just got invited.

• 1:12:56Laci Mosley?

  You just got here, okay, you ain't even had communion yet, we get, we getting the wine and the laced potato chips out right now, you got the chance.

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  I don't think y'all gonna want to baptize me. I'm more the Rosa everywhere, I'm not saying nothing else. Thank you so much for having me, I've had a great time.

• 1:13:08Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here, as always, y'all can find all these photos of these shady doctors and everyone else on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram, you can see me on Twitter, Scam Goddess Pod, if you want to chat with me, see what's coming up next. Scam Goddess, my book is available everywhere they sell books and also on audiobooks, so get into that. And Scam Goddess the Television Show, all episodes are streaming now on Hulu, Going Dutch, all episodes are streaming now on Hulu, and I am going back to Ireland for season two of Going Dutch, so we will be bringing you more of that handy.

• 1:13:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Laci Mosley?

  Congregation, I want you to get out there and choo, choo, choose which rules you want to follow.

• 1:13:53Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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