TBT: Farrah Abraham

Bunnie gets up close and personal with the iconic mother-daughter duo that refuses to be defined by rumors or the past. Farrah Abraham and Sophia sit down for an unfiltered chat about their lives navigating fame and family ties. Farrah spills the tea on all the tabloid tales, from Nicki Minaj beefs to poop sales. She also gives a sneak peek at her upcoming comedy tour, where she's taking her candid humor nationwide to break trauma bonds through laughter. Sophia reflects on her passion for music and how she learned to follow her own path while growing up under a microscope. Farrah Abraham: IG https://www.instagram.com/farrahabraham/?hl=en | Website Sophia: IG. https://www.instagram.com/sophialabraham/?hl=en Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:45Bunnie XO?

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• 1:30Speaker 01

  Is this thing on?

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

• 1:36Bunnie XO?

  Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit, and I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of fucking money and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child, and here we are.

• 1:46Bunnie XO?

  What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, I have a mother-daughter duo, which is a first for me because I normally don't do mother-daughter duos. But these two have grown up together in the public eye, and I figured what better duo to bring on than Sophia and Farrah Abrams?

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Yes! I know. What a good duo. That is true. I feel like we've definitely grown up together. I am her mom.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  But yes.

• 2:17Bunnie XO?

  I just want to say you look beautiful.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:20Bunnie XO?

  I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for like work that you get done. And I mean, you know, they attack me too. So I know how it feels, but it's like seeing you in person. I'm like, you look fucking gorgeous. Like what, what are they talking about?

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but social media cameras look like that cracks me up. Because literally as we're flying in here, I'm like, Sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy like artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face. I'm like, this is funny today. This gives me some laughter. Uh, Sophia is just like laughs at it too, but I'm like, I'm really happy. I don't do like much work. I take things out of my face. I really am on a journey of like really getting back to myself. And so it's kind of funny when I just do a live and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery, but that's not the case.

• 3:15Bunnie XO?

  Well, I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just like reading and it's because you use filters. And so that's honestly, I, the same thing was happening to me. People were like, how much work have you had done? And I'm like, bro, I've had botox and fucking a little bit of filler in my lips done. Like, what are they talking about?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  And that stuff is gone.

• 3:31Bunnie XO?

  The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting here and you look gorgeous. So I'm just like.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  But I do have my Farrah filter that has like had billions of hits and I love it. And if I don't like to get ready that day, I will totally use that.

• 3:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Bunnie XO?

  What have you had done so that we can clarify that with everybody?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Well, I, you know, okay. So I will just say I have had a nose job. I have had a chin implant. I, and then I just dabble here and there with fillers at times, um, that go, you know, they stay, they go. Um, but I also like was trying to do a lip implant and I was on botch, the show, um, because I almost died from that. So, and I took out my chin implant. Um, but for some reason.

• 4:24Bunnie XO?

  You did take out the chin implant?

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Took out my chin implant. And for some reason, people always go back and compare. Farrah looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant, a swollen nose from a surgery. Um, just, I was actually really depressed at that year of my life. Like that was the most, um, what's it called? Like when you're just,

• 4:45Bunnie XO?

  The lowest, your lowest point.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia. Like when you have body dysmorphia. I had that at that time when I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, oh, we love Farrah better then, when I was definitely like anti myself, um, and peer pressured and just like, oh, I want to look good. That was just like way too much. So I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself. Maybe like just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's like, good self-love.

• 5:24Bunnie XO?

  There's nothing wrong with that.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 5:26Bunnie XO?

  People get it twisted. They're like, when women get filter, uh, fillers and botox and stuff like that. They're like, oh, she must be unhappy with herself. And it's like, no, I like to invest in myself. Your body is an investment.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  It is an investment.

• 5:38Bunnie XO?

  It's a temple. You gotta dress it up or dress it down, whatever you want to do, but it's your body to do that with. So, well, yeah, enough about your looks. I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tabloids just tear you apart for that and that's not fair.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:50Bunnie XO?

  You know, so I don't like that at all. But,

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:52Bunnie XO?

  Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby?

• 5:55Speaker 03

  I'm doing good.

• 5:56Bunnie XO?

  She just got her tongue pierced, so she said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The tongue piercing actually caused a ton of controversy.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  I know people hate a lot. I'm like every single piercing I get and it's just like, chill. Like it's not that big of a deal, you know, but I do know some people are really strict about that growing up and, um, but it's just me and I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks. And I feel really confident about them. And I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in. Um, so yeah, I'm confident in my piercings and I love them and they are all healing really good.

• 6:38Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I went through a piercing phase when I was young too. I did it behind my parents' back though because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get, uh, what is it, a tongue piercing and snake bites?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, good, good point, Bunny. Segue to how I feel. Um, so we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place like on her birthday. Um, and I do see the psychological like spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing Sophia choose this, consent to do this. I have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like shame, blame, reject my child. I'm here to make sure my child's seen. She is safe and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind,

• 7:40Speaker 01

  then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. So, um, yeah, I could, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends' parents. But I also know, once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you opened my eyes to parenting in a different way. So, yeah, I was never the girl though. I was never the kid growing up to be like, could I get a piercing? Could I get a tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get that? It was just, no one ever had any of those things growing up. And so I just never thought about it. And when

• 8:25Speaker 01

  I'm like famous and people are just like, I'll give you free this, free this, free this, free tattoos. Like I could tattoo up my whole body. I could do all that. I just myself personally, I'm not prepared for that. But I see like Sophia is prepared. She's at that point in her mental state and her life and she can do that. And I'm not the person to, I don't know, I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through. And I learned so much about consent culture and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will, their rights, their freedoms. And I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things like a piercing or tattoos.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  And so I'm just, again, those three things, seeing safe, supported. That's all I need to be for my child.

• 9:14Bunnie XO?

  I never thought that I would agree with you more. I totally feel the same way because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children, because we have a 16 year old, she's about to be 16.

• 9:27Bunnie XO?

  There's so much more shit. You gotta choose your battles. There is so much more shit, worse shit that these kids could get into, excuse my language. That these kids could be getting into and it's like if they want to get a piercing, they're gonna, it's either it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20 years. You know what I'm saying? So it's like if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's gonna make me happy because she could be like doing other things that are way worse behind my, our, you know, her parents back. And I just totally agree with that. I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they want to be and having free will is an amazing route to go. How do you feel about that? Do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that?

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions and my piercings.

• 10:09Bunnie XO?

  I, we love your look. We were just talking about it. I was like, if I could look like Sophia, I would, because that's really how I look on the inside.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  I love Sophia's looks too, and I'm happy with whatever looks she decides and what she loves. Yeah, I just feel like I was just raised in a different way. Like, I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. I like

• 10:31Bunnie XO?

  By your mom?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, by my mom. So I know that that doesn't give anyone self-worth, like feeling worthy. And that is number one, when you're getting, you know, if you have fame, or if you have anything, your self-worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like, I was very much predatored on and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that

• 11:01Bunnie XO?

  Safe space.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that safe place, be seen, know who they are, and not seek that in other people.

• 11:08Bunnie XO?

  Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider your mom your best friend?

• 11:14Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, she is my mom.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  I am your mom.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  My best friend.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you so much. I love you. You're so, you're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you a hug. I love you, honey. I love you.

• 11:30Bunnie XO?

  You guys have pretty much grown up together. The world has watched both of you guys grow up. Like, literally you, as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world, and I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with you now. Like, you're kind of like the new it girl on TikTok right now, because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sophia does not like to show much that she does, so.

• 11:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  That could be the emo in her, but yes.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  I'm not emo, I'm goth.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Oh, goth. That could be the goth in her.

• 11:57Bunnie XO?

  Describe to us, or explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is, just in case people at home don't know.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  So I do know that there is many types of goth, goths out there, like traditional goth, and just, I would say, regular goth. But emo is like regular dark clothes, I feel like, and accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of emo, because I didn't want to go all out. But goth, I feel like is like black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  I follow a lot of Goth people on TikTok and they're so cool. I admire them and I want to be like traditional Goth, I feel like, one day. Um, but yeah, today I'm kind of emo, I would say.

• 12:50Bunnie XO?

  I love all, I love Goth, I love emo, I love it all. I always thought it was music selection. I always thought, Mimi, haven't we talked about this before? Isn't like emo and Goth like music selection, isn't it?

• 13:01Speaker 04

  Music and interest of like the culture, because like a emo culture is significantly different than a Gothic culture, like what your interests are in per se of those things and their music is completely fifty fifty different.

• 13:12Bunnie XO?

  Right, that's awesome. Farrah, do you feel like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia?

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have, but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life. I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister. I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom. I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be. And I was giving, given like eye-opening experiences in my lifetime to say like, I'm not repeating that with my child. So like, public school, it wasn't going to be repeated. Um, I had a superintendent as a neighbor, no matter how much we push and push and push, to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Like fights,

• 14:03Speaker 01

  bad situations, and I guess like when like a public or governmental system fails, I take it upon myself to just lead. Um, so I found like best homeschooling practices and whatever else like for Sophia's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the, no one's laid out that path. So I've definitely am just like I'm on this journey and figuring out as fast and as best as I can.

• 14:31Bunnie XO?

  I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child and we're still figuring it out, you know? We got full custody of Bailey seven years ago and there, nobody gives you a handbook and says, hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah.

• 14:47Bunnie XO?

  Every child is different.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:48Bunnie XO?

  Every emotion, every personality, every, it's just all different. And so I think. What I think as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe. That's you're already winning.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:01Bunnie XO?

  You know, and do you feel these things, Sophia?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:03Bunnie XO?

  She's shaking her head over here.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, everyone is different. I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned and I got my brain scanned.

• 15:11Bunnie XO?

  From Doc, Doc Amen, right?

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Doctor Amen.

• 15:13Bunnie XO?

  How was that? Cause I was gonna do that with him too, but I chickened out.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is life changing. I, I feel like that is literally what, I mean, to know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably like, the biggest gift in our journey of life is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist and be like, oh, I, I have this, I'm dealing with this and well, let's try to like guess. Um, but I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different ADA compliances. I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support and that's why we kept switching schools. Um, but myself, I found out that I was like ADA compliant, ADHDI, like when I was 29.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  And to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me, telling me I'm difficult, like girls not liking me. My family like kind of disowning me. I just was like, I, I can't be mad at them. I can't dislike them. I can't like have hate towards them. But I also know like, I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic, crisis behavior and just, I really want to have education in my journey now as parenting. So.

• 16:34Bunnie XO?

  So you feel like getting that diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you of like, oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted. And this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  And I also think like dating, when you know like what your brain type is and what you like. Like I think only certain dating shows show like, oh, this is a pet peeve and this is what I don't like. But if we really like started employing like. Brain matching and like those psychological factors, we would find our soulmates faster. We would understand what we need, like what's going to be a good match for us. So.

• 17:09Bunnie XO?

  Describe to me what a brain match is.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  A brain match. Yeah. So Dr. Amen has something free online and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type two, Sophia's 10, right? Yeah. Sophia's brain type 10.

• 17:26Bunnie XO?

  Can you describe what they are to me? Like what is it two and what is it 10?

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Okay. So part of me with my ADHD and a 10 of disorder is like, I will like short-term memory loss. Like I can't recite it back. I'd have to look it up. Um, so just being frank, but so mine's like, I don't even know. I forgot like the foods, um, types of friends, types of jobs.

• 17:48Bunnie XO?

  Okay. So it breaks it down like that for you.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Break it down. They kind of make it individualistic. And yeah, so when I went on this like 12 step dating journey and learning how to date again, and we were talking so much. So she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there. And I was like talking to these people in depth, like about intentional dating, like trying to figure out like their brain types. And sure enough, the boyfriend I have right now, he has the same brain type as me. He took the survey and he's going to get his brain scanned.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  That's like us with the autism test. We make everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out, take the autism test because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi. We all.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I have no idea. What's the autism test?

• 18:37Bunnie XO?

  I'm going to give it to you. What is it? Rads? Yeah, we'll send it to you. You guys take it tonight. No, please. You guys have to take it tonight and I want to know you guys' scores.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Okay. So does this mean everyone has autism?

• 18:50Bunnie XO?

  I mean, I think a lot of us have a splash of it for sure.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  For some reason that didn't show up on my brain scan. I just want to let you know. I don't know if I can be in your friend group.

• 18:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Does autism show up on brain scans? I wonder if it does or if it doesn't. I'm not positive about that.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  From what I know, he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism. And many different kind of brains.

• 19:15Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I didn't know that.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct neural feedback for my brain too, after having a brain scan. And they talked about all different kinds of things to correct it, help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that.

• 19:32Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. I love that you're always working on yourself.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it, but it was, it was needed.

• 19:39Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey that you did a 12 step therapy, trauma therapy program?

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did. And I think it was, it's gonna be two years in March, I did a trauma 12 step program. I think that's what it was, like a recovery program and literally changed my life. So I had, the reason why I finally went. I feel like a lot of us don't understand, like if you could search up like spiritual melody chart. I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here, but I saw it in life. All of us see it in life, like when we're looking at someone going through a hard time, maybe depression, maybe anxiety, all of these things. Their spiritual melody is being like upset.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  And when someone reaches such a certain level, they're at risk of harming themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So at the time when I was going to the trauma center, I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me. And now it's so funny because after the center, I just attract the best people to me.

• 20:54Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  So I think that's something to keep in mind. If you are feeling like, whoa, I keep dating lots of bad people. I keep like being attacked on the street. I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a reset, you need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help.

• 21:15Bunnie XO?

  So when you went to the, what was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat like childhood trauma? Or was it like?

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Oh, so I was sexually assaulted.

• 21:25Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Um, recently, it wasn't like in childhood. And I think a lot of the people who I met, they had significant amount of like sexual assaults, trauma, those type of things, very deep, like veterans were there. Um, all sorts of things that they had held on for a very long time. I think with one trauma, uh, like a sexual assault trauma, I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help. So I was like, I need something. Um.

• 22:00Bunnie XO?

  Can you, can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor?

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, we're like really dealing with all that stuff like right now.

• 22:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  So I, I don't like me to like, hold anything back because I'm sure would help so many people. Um, but I also know, like, we are dealing with someone who is systemic, like habitually a rapist. So I probably don't want to give any fuel to that. But if we want to just talk about, like, great things for other, you know, like honestly, I said to myself this week, because I'm dealing with so many legal issues. I said to myself, I was like, I think I'm gonna have to break down and just go get a support group. Because I'm like.

• 22:47Bunnie XO?

  It's gotta be tough to hold all that in and not talk about it.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, because again, like rapey vibes, right? Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent, consensual vibes is lying, continually like masking. And when you're going through a legal issue, and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass, and it's just like, huh, you know, I can journal about it. But I also like, I truly like to watch movies that dive into like someone making peace, getting past it, and like moving on. So it's like, I've made peace with it. I'm trying to move past it. But then you have these legal court problems that just go on for years, like my lawyer said

• 23:35Speaker 01

  at the beginning. And I just feel, you know, like my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are like going through this stuff for years. It's just, it's really tedious.

• 23:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking about it, like you said, is probably the best thing, one, for you, therapy, and two, to help your, that's your testimony, you know, something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe uh, people are able to connect with you if they, you know, were to, were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I think it's just, um, it's, this is sad, but um, from reading so many legal documents about assaults because again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, uh, which was like a sexual assault, like problem. And so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of like legal documents to read of like Jane Does. So I like would understand what it looks like, why this happens, like all these things. And then I got so interested in it and so passionate that I was like, oh, I'm gonna go get a legal degree.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Um, I went down there, got my paralegal certificate and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law. But I think the comment, like this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life, but I saw like innocent people not being believed. And then I saw a lot of people who actually lied. This could be men or women, lie about being sexually assaulted. And I think learning from lawyers, what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know, like, to fight for your truth, to stand firm, because others who lie and kind of like put it or

• 25:25Speaker 01

  like men or women who they claimed that they were assaulted by, um, that's like a whole other psychological thing. So I think there's like a lot of trauma work, no matter what, even if you're lying about it, if you're telling the truth. I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it. And I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting. And I got to see it like acted out with actors and read. And I think like, maybe just for me, I would feel safer, um, showing that.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  In like artistic form, like a series and I love watching movies and TV series that really help comfort people who are actually really going through a long, long legal battle with sexual assault because I think like Sophia showed me some funny episode on Shameless about one of the guys like pretending that he got sexually assaulted and going in and going through this whole process and I think sometimes you need, you need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep dark situation that I was put on medication for, the medication wasn't helping.

• 26:41Bunnie XO?

  Were you raped?

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:44Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Sexually assaulted.

• 26:46Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Or I don't know what that means to you, so sorry.

• 26:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's so many.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  I'm like, I don't know if you know what I'm saying.

• 26:50Bunnie XO?

  No, you're good. There's so many different, um, you know, falls under that umbrella. A sexual assault could be being groped, could be, you know, being kissed when you don't want to be or like this, like you, that's why I asked if you were raped.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  So this was like some, oh, sorry, I didn't like know that you didn't know that of what, yeah, so there you go. It's like, oh, you know, sometimes you can limit yourself because you don't want to get too close to the problem at hand, right?

• 27:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Just vulnerability. Uh, so yeah, I, um, was drugged and woke up like thinking like, did someone set me up? Like, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that and I was stark naked, did not know where any of my clothes were. Um, my necklace was broken, all that stuff and it was just like flight, like I just like ran. I just really didn't know how to behave.

• 27:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  So doing the best you can, and I think for a lot of other, um, sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene, straight up. It's just like a lot of people are like, I'm watching Crime Stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows, but I think I, I was raised with that too. I love watching criminal shows too, but like. When you're in it, it's way different. It was literally like, sometimes I used to say like, you know, different red carpets are doing these things. Oh, it's so surreal. Being sexually assaulted and being like, the crime scene was surreal. That was like, it just felt like my brain and my body was not connected. And so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work,

• 28:30Speaker 01

  somatic experiencing work on that.

• 28:33Bunnie XO?

  Hmm, that's heavy. I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene. That's pretty heavy. That's deep.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's real.

• 28:41Bunnie XO?

  Moving on from that, I've heard you say a bunch of things in there. So let me see if I can catch up. You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class. So are you attending Harvard or?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  So I actually got in an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence.

• 28:55Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  So even though I'm ADA compliant and turned that in. Uh, yeah, so that lady kicked me out, or not the lady with screenwriting. She gave me E for exemplary. She like raved. She was like, this is what you need to do. And I think sometimes when you are going through trauma, the power of the pen and writing it and kind of sharing it in like a theatrical way. It's like, that has always been there for me. So like, even when I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in acting class at that time. And my acting teacher was like, you need to continue this or just continue going to classes. He's just like, you need to use this as a power. So if anything, I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences.

• 29:41Bunnie XO?

  So you were going to Harvard and then somebody kicked you out?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and one of my other classes, um, neurodivergence was an issue for her. So even though that's against the law in education, educational places. So I have found better colleges.

• 29:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Um, when you just touched base on her father passing, can we talk about that? Cause you were so young when that happened and that had to have crushed you.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  It did. And you know what? Speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic. But I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father. Because yes, that's the first time I was put on like medication. I was suicidal. Again, not knowing my ADA compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss, it was just scary. And so, yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met other women who were there because they lost their boyfriends in traumatic situations.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  And like other kind of like people who had just lost a lot of people. So I was like, why did I? Why did I not come to the trauma center when I was sixteen and pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have? In my mind, in my brain, at home, it really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker, maybe from a sexual assault or bounce back quicker. From other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just, again, thankful for that.

• 31:14Bunnie XO?

  Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her father. Do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever? Because it plays out on the show, you and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again, off again. And I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been like a huge thing in you and your mom's relationship even to this day?

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  You see like on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things. I would say in all because I had to like really, you know, like 12 step inventory trauma center. You actually write down, it's called the fifth step. You write down anyone you have relationships with. So I'm writing down my mom, I'm writing down my dad. Anything. And what came up, just so you know, in those like 12 steps and like going through relationships and why maybe people saw like, maybe I didn't feel like my mom. Was supportive. It's actually way more than just not having support. It's like, was I seeing?

• 32:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  She never saw how much I love someone. She like, she came up after hearing that he had passed away. That she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have, we might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends in those situations. But I do, I do know that like I have reasoning and capability of understanding like someone's, someone has feelings here. And I need to put my stuff to the side. That was crazy, but a lot of what came up at the 12-step trauma center when you're writing down your relationships is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment. And most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you. Like, you were living at my house.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment and not being supported, like we say, just support. But it's really like a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter that I realized I did not have in my home with my dad, with my mom, maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it. So there was no surprise. And once I got out of the trauma center, like I stopped talking to my dad. I stopped talking to my mom. I haven't talked to them in almost, I think my mom, she was like at 30, so, well, 32.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  So everyone's been kind of around two years I've stopped talking to my family. Like, I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life. And it's good that I got to, again, write down inventory and see why and what. So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say, do I want to write letters to them? And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to be like, okay, that's where someone is. They can't meet me and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really relieving, relief.

• 34:32Bunnie XO?

  Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's too? Sophia, do you choose to talk, do we call her grandma? Do you choose to talk to grandma or just be, or because mom and her don't have a relationship, you choose not to also?

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Honestly, I'm really comfortable not talking to her at all. And with my grandpa too. It hasn't really bothered me at all not talking to them over the years.

• 34:59Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  I'd have to say, like, anything that I do does not need to affect someone else.

• 35:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like... Fair as like me, I'm the horrible person because I I'm making someone else not talk to them. To be completely transparent, I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around. Um, you know, to not feel loved, to not be heard again, like as a kid, or just be like, like just back and forth, stuck between all these. I can't say the word immature, it's just a lack of education of how to have communication. That's really just um,

• 35:53Speaker 01

  such a mess that I was raised in that I knew I did not want that for my daughter and I was trying to be like a good daughter and like I flew, I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents. I've flown her back and forth for sixteen years or whatever to like see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself that is so needed and everything's quiet. And you see, wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying, flying, doing. No one else is. It's been over a decade, like let's stop this charade.

• 36:31Bunnie XO?

  But more importantly, you're there for your daughter. Like I don't see you without Sophia.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I am number one, I think.

• 36:40Bunnie XO?

  And you're making her feel, you're making her feel every way that your parents never did. And to me, that's the sign, a sign of a good parent is breaking generational trauma and generational curses. And I think you're doing the best that you can.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  All the way. And so it can be seen transparently of who, what, everything, genetics, what's going on, why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, um, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say like, I don't want to hang out or I need a break from certain grandparents. So. The charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything. I've I've seen with clear eyes what it is now, so.

• 37:23Bunnie XO?

  And you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation, which that's not a bad. That doesn't make you a bad person, especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling and they completely told you like, look, I don't want to deal with this right now. So that's not fair to you because it's like, when is the time to deal with it?

• 37:42Speaker 01

  And that's fine if they're never there. So I'm just. I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go live my life. And this is what I've been waiting for. And healing. And I think like, that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds. Like, let's have bonds of like, I don't even know, happiness.

• 38:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Um, so I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity.

• 38:12Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Um, and so, yeah, from that, I was like, okay, I'm gonna keep 12 stepping in like dating and like career and life and it's really been beautiful.

• 38:22Bunnie XO?

  When you say 12 stepping, does that mean sobriety?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Um, some people think it's about sobriety. I actually. I just have to say it like this. 12 stepping is about like the 12 step principles. So you don't have, it's not about like drinking. It's like, I think there's humility, brotherly love, like there's 12 principles of life that I think are just amazing. And help me be my best self and connect and see myself and others. Like serving. Um, so those are the 12 step things I do in life.

• 38:54Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. I've I've never heard of it. So that's why I hear, you know, like, most people, when they hear 12 steps are like, oh, okay, she's in the program or like, you know, doing the 12 steps for like alcoholism. Or I don't know if they have 12 steps for drugs. I'm not positive about that.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  There's 12 steps for everything. I honestly say like 12 steps for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at every group. Um, Court's definitely had me do like 50 hours of AA. Um, and over that, but when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted, to be honest with you, I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done because there was just alcohol involved with my sexual assaults or rape. And so everybody else maybe around me was like, I can't wait to drink. I can't wait to do drugs. And I was like. Whoa, I could stay here all day long and I don't even care about that stuff, but I am

• 39:47Speaker 01

  super excited to learn about these principles and like, see if it works and like, if I turn on church, does it connect? And like, everything just really showed me like, this is what I have been yearning for my whole life. And so that's why I just say, I'm 12 step in dating, I'm 12 step in my career. Like, it's just principles that work.

• 40:08Bunnie XO?

  I do feel, or do you feel actually not, it doesn't matter how I feel. Do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well? Because didn't you get it like a DUI? And then also, um, you had like a little thing with us, was it a security guard outside of a nightclub? Um, when you were drunk and like they cuffed you and put you on the ground and stuff like that? Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles?

• 40:33Speaker 01

  So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you.

• 40:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Um, I'm literally

• 40:42Bunnie XO?

  That's why they call it a spirit, because it lowers your spirits.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, it lowers your spirit. Um, and I wouldn't recommend anyone who's been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse. Um, and so yeah, that, I'm dealing with that legal problem even today.

• 41:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  How about that security?

• 41:07Bunnie XO?

  Really? Still going on?

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, two years later, she won't stop harassing me. Um, so yeah, so now she's trying to do

• 41:15Bunnie XO?

  Vera, you're lightweight funny as fuck, dude. Like really, if people really paid attention, they would see that you are funny.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Sophia's hearing me like on court, like lawyer calls before this because of her. Uh, she didn't know how to serve me. Uh, so she claims that she's gonna get lots of money from me right now.

• 41:31Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I thought it was a man that you, that they, that's saying that you slapped him or something or kicked him?

• 41:36Speaker 01

  This is a woman who's a liar, but she is just like, that's why I have to postpone even like, me doing like a comedy portfolio that I've been working on. Like, could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone? I'd so It's like I have to now reorganize my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore.

• 42:01Bunnie XO?

  What happened? Like you you're out drinking with friends and then?

• 42:05Speaker 01

  I went to a dinner. So I was definitely more about the food. There was alcohol.

• 42:09Bunnie XO?

  We love food.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing. I didn't have a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I was set up. One of their customers was in front of my purse and my bag and between my friends, not with her group. And I was like, could you please like move? That that's my stuff. These are my friends. She wanted to keep going at me, hitting me, hitting my friend who was trying to block me.

• 42:36Bunnie XO?

  She hit you.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  And then her friends are pointing to remove me. I'm being then manhandled by huge security guys. This woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me and I say, leave me alone. You see me yelling. And this is like a girl, a different girl than I am today at that time, who has been sexually assaulted, can't handle too much. She's just been physically.

• 42:57Bunnie XO?

  Been through a lifetime of trauma. You've had trauma started when you were younger.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  And so she doesn't want to listen. And so I do this with my arm and you see the full movement on the camera. And she wants to try to touch my hand. And so literally my hand is like touching this woman's like mask, not her face. So her glasses are on, her mask is on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm like, leave me alone. I walk off property, waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police, wants to do all this stuff. And sure enough, then her and the other guy just finagle up to come after me off property.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Then he cuffs himself to me, is like touching me all over. She's over there yelling that I hit her in her face and whatever. I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically, I'm winning a personal injury case on top of this. The criminal case got thrown out because I did nothing. The personal injury case, I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and and me moving and everything else. Like I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies. Like people literally thought I would hit and target security people.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  And that's just completely not the case. So dealing with all of this, it's just like.

• 44:26Bunnie XO?

  Stressful.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  I've had a lot of people just continually try to sue me, sue me, come after me, come after me, come after me. And I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career, me showing up to places. And I also have to realize, like, I have to do, I don't even like security guards, to be honest. So me getting security is also like a trust fall.

• 44:49Bunnie XO?

  No, that's how I am. My husband makes me travel with security everywhere. And I'm like, why? I feel like I have a babysitter. I'm like, I hate it. It drives me crazy.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  I don't know. I've never, I've had a lot of issues with security guards. This is not the first one.

• 45:02Bunnie XO?

  I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you, though, because you are. You know, the fan base that you guys have from Teen Mom is wild. Like, I've had Janelle and Kale on the podcast.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  That's awesome. Yeah.

• 45:16Bunnie XO?

  It is like, those people are really invested in you guys' lives. You have, you guys have a lot of great fans, but it is like a cult fan base, you know, and.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  We love it. I love it.

• 45:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And but the thing is, is in in that sea of people who love you guys, there's a few people who have it out for you. And these are the people that you're like running into. So I think having somebody to protect you from that isn't a bad idea.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I will say.

• 45:42Bunnie XO?

  One less lawsuit to worry about.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  One less lawsuit. They keep coming.

• 45:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  I actually embrace them. I just surf on lawsuits at this point.

• 45:49Bunnie XO?

  How many lawsuits do you have right now?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  I'm like trying to close up like three.

• 45:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, God, that's stressful.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Like, who knows? But I think like we're just reinventing the wheel of like, okay, if we're gonna do not a tour, if we're going to just like present it and package it, then we can, you know, control like who's on sets and how we do those things. So like, I can still keep moving forward in my life.

• 46:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Um, so yeah, I'm just kind of tired of sitting still, but it's been good.

• 46:20Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey of you doing comedy.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  I feel like a Farrah Abraham roast is overdue.

• 46:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I would attend. I think it would be hilarious.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  We'll, we'll give you the mic. So.

• 46:33Bunnie XO?

  I don't want to be mean, though. I just want to watch.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  It's good to roast people. You know, it's good to see if I've overcome.

• 46:38Bunnie XO?

  I love that you can laugh. I love that you can laugh at yourself, though, and you don't take yourself so serious. I think that's a great quality to have.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  It's definitely been a challenge, you know.

• 46:48Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I've been working on it.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been working on it so hard. I can't wait. But yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy and maybe just talk about like behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's like been a good soul journey and I want to share that in comedy.

• 47:08Bunnie XO?

  What spawned this whole entire journey with comedy?

• 47:14Bunnie XO?

  Have you just always been a comedy fan?

• 47:17Speaker 01

  I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't love some Ace Ventura Pet Detective?

• 47:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  But I actually got my SAG credits from a Comedy Central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG checks in the mail and I started seeing where it was from. And I was like, oh, my God, it's from Dave Patel inviting me for my comedy special. And I was like, well, I really did like that. And it was so fun. And I liked the people. And I think in this next endeavor of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around.

• 47:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  How they're making me feel. And.

• 47:57Bunnie XO?

  That comes with age, too. You're what, 32 now?

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I'm 44. So it takes like, as you get older, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't care what, what the look is, or how many people are going to see it. I care about being around people who are going to build me up.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:13Bunnie XO?

  Make me feel good about myself, people I can learn from.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:16Bunnie XO?

  You know, so I think that's awesome that you're realizing that now.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's just wonderful. And I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself.

• 48:26Bunnie XO?

  When can we expect this comedy tour?

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Or the specials, I can say specials, I don't know about Tora, but um, I would, I would hope by the end of this year, I know some other shows are coming out. And we'll see like what happens. Um, but yeah, I'm just kind of like risk assessing.

• 48:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  My career and just making sure, but I don't.

• 48:47Bunnie XO?

  You're reinventing yourself.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:49Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you do that all the time. You have done, is there anything you haven't done? You've made albums.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  I haven't done like my law degree yet.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, there is court will be, I like Judge Judy, oh my God.

• 49:03Bunnie XO?

  That would be awesome.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  I love her. I would love to do a court show, please.

• 49:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, let's put it in the air, manifest it. That would be awesome because you literally, one thing I do admire about you, you have fucking hustle. You're not lazy.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, ADHD doesn't sit.

• 49:18Bunnie XO?

  Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? I'm literally always on to the next goal. Um.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  It's fun.

• 49:24Bunnie XO?

  No, you literally are always doing something, always selling something. I mean, you're like.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Who doesn't like sales? I love sales. I do love sales. I think if you're like good at serving people and like matching people and doing things, oh my God, sales is like a dream.

• 49:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here. What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that?

• 49:47Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I've been getting into music, so I think when I grow up, I want to be a music artist, maybe. And a entrepreneur and a influencer.

• 49:57Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm. I love that. Does your mom influence that a lot? Do you really look up to your mom?

• 50:02Speaker 03

  She did, um, really support me doing my music when I was younger. Um, I have two music videos from like a super long time ago, which is like. Kind of cringe.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Before God.

• 50:13Bunnie XO?

  I mean, we all, we all have several that we look back on and we're like, what the hell was I thinking?

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wrote those songs myself.

• 50:22Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. You and Bailey would really get along. She writes her own music and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies for sure.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 50:30Bunnie XO?

  What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her?

• 50:34Speaker 03

  Um, her beauty and

• 50:39Speaker 03

  You are.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Ah, thank you.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  She doubts that kind of often, but she's beautiful.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  That's good that I know where I need to work on.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Sophia. I appreciate you.

• 50:52Bunnie XO?

  What's your favorite thing about Sophia?

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty, like no joke. I always am like you have like your dad's nose, eyebrows, the chin, like I just, I love it. Um, and I'm so happy you have the, all that going for you. You're gorgeous. And what else? I mean, I pretty much love everything about my daughter. Like I love, I loved you, like parenting you as a kid. I love parenting you as a teen. I love your silliness. I mean, there's so much I just love it all. There's, I don't know why.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  I don't know if I like my teenager today, but like I really, I practice my gratefuls and I think I just have always loved my daughter totally. Yeah.

• 51:41Bunnie XO?

  Holy, you love her for who she is?

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:42Bunnie XO?

  Do you guys feel like you're soulmates? Cause you know, soulmates, soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents, like that's.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Um, I do always wonder, I, I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child, like Sophia, like I was given Sophia. I don't know what it is, like even when like her dad wasn't there, I had her in the, um, uh, birthing room and like I'm just looking at her. I just like, there was this eye connection and like, I knew that even though nothing was perfect, however, I wanted to plan it growing up. That I was meant to be there at this time with her and I will never forget that from the hospital room.

• 52:33Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  So I like, life can just totally fall apart around you like it has with me. But yeah, I, I don't know if that's soulmate, if that's exactly what you meant.

• 52:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  But I do know, like, I was supposed to be with Sophia and like, she is my child. Like, I do know that.

• 52:50Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  It's just crazy.

• 52:51Bunnie XO?

  You guys are gonna make me cry. I think that is so sweet.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:54Bunnie XO?

  And Farah, I want to give you your flowers because I watched a, a lot of interviews the other night, just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that. And I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you. And they don't give you a chance to actually like, kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for, for how people treat you like that. But al- also, people don't realize that you were at such a young age, having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world watching you, with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:36Bunnie XO?

  And you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:41Bunnie XO?

  And that's heavy. And I just want you to say, I see you and I see what you're doing and I think you're doing wonderful.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate, I appreciate you being an amazing host.

• 53:52Bunnie XO?

  No, thank you.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, allowing it to be whatever it will be.

• 53:55Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk about love.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Let's talk about love.

• 54:00Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about love. You got a new boyfriend? Well, he's been around since what, twenty twenty-one?

• 54:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:05Bunnie XO?

  No? I read that wrong then. Okay, is that a different one?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe it was a different one.

• 54:11Bunnie XO?

  All right, well, when did this one come about?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  I have to say, I date differently now. So I did this guardian of your soul, dating naked, um, thing. I graduated from that when I turned thirty-two, so last May.

• 54:23Bunnie XO?

  Okay, what is that? Is that part of the twelve step?

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, um, Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast, but she does this with her husband. You were there for twelve weeks. Um, you have your own coach, you do your own, like, manifestation journal. She has twelve modules, you're reading books, you're hearing podcasts, you're hearing psychologists. Like, you're in a vortex.

• 54:45Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Of training yourself to be like, a weapon of dating, basically. And so I did it, I committed, and I was like, you know. Going on these dates, felt like this is wasting my time. And I got this weird like dating show offer during that. And I declined because I've done so many dating shows and I just don't like, I was at this point of like, I'm tired of repeating, tired of repeating, like clearly something is disconnected. And it was more personal work and really diving in on that. And so Lisa did a 12 step program too. So when I shared about my 12 step program, she's like, yeah, so this is why we have 12 weeks, 12 modules. And we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  So I love it. I graduated and I was just like, look, I don't have anyone who, I'll call my fiance or anything like that, but um, I'll keep doing this. And like, I'm kind of like a late bloomer, even though I like zoom through things. And so like the ladies are like, well, keep checking in with us, keep coming to the groups, like whatever. And sure enough, like, I don't know, I went on almost like a hundred dates.

• 55:59Bunnie XO?

  A hundred dates?

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Like almost a hundred dates.

• 56:02Bunnie XO?

  Goodness, that's like a speed dating.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  And then one, one gentleman uh, wasn't even like on, I realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact.

• 56:13Bunnie XO?

  I feel like the cream of the crop is never on the dating apps.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Or I'm just not paying attention to it.

• 56:19Bunnie XO?

  Well, we're not attracting it.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, even though like we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff.

• 56:25Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  So uh, he actually got my attention on my OnlyFans page. So um, and then was like zooming with me and then I'm telling him about this dating program. Like I'm just intentionally dating. Like if you want to joke around and be like, I want to date Farrah Abraham, like whatever. But I was just like so on my game from this program about dating. So he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me. And we have just kind of been just, I don't know, he ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know, it just is like magical.

• 57:04Bunnie XO?

  I love it. When, so when did he come in the picture?

• 57:07Speaker 01

  So we started talking in October, so like from June, July, August, September.

• 57:14Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so since last year.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, so five months after this program, I really have like superly connected with someone.

• 57:22Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 57:23Bunnie XO?

  That, and he just loves every bit of you.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:26Bunnie XO?

  Are you ever gonna say who he is or make him public?

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Um, you know, I, we both kind of are like NDAs on both sides. So like I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really like share who, who are me. Like I am like, I will not be meeting your family and like,

• 57:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  I'm dating you. And I think I've also learned to date differently.

• 57:47Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  From not having my family around and truly being my most best self. Um, so yeah, like he, I just love like, he is all about self-improvement with me. Um, we're doing fun things together all the time and I really just wanna make sure like, that's right. Like, that's really important.

• 58:05Bunnie XO?

  So if you guys do end up getting more serious, will you eventually meet his family?

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Um, I don't really need to.

• 58:13Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Like, I'm really like.

• 58:15Bunnie XO?

  Do you think part of you is scared? Because like every, you, I, I feel like you're one of those people who kinda like waits for the ball to drop. Like if something's going too good, you're like, okay, what's gonna fuck this up?

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Well, I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain, but thank you.

• 58:30Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Um, so I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating. Um, hot air balloon. Like, let's keep going up. Um, and I do think, uh, from learning so much about him, like he's learned so much about my family, where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building like a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together. There is no need for the background noise. Like, I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family. Um, like flourishing careers, the whole thing right now. And so that's why I'm kind of like, his, his parents and everyone are very like, why won't you tell me your name?

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Oh, like, they're always very like nosey, but I think, I don't need anyone like, Googling me, searching me when they know who I am, who I'm dating.

• 59:26Bunnie XO?

  Right, and that's what I mean, like, uh, does that scare you? That his family could Google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you and then you feel like you're gonna have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just don't operate like that anymore. So like when my mom or my dad got married and I was there for their weddings and stuff, and then their, their fiancees or everyone else was always like Googling me and seeing what I was up to. I actually stopped like posting for a while. I was like, you know, it's just not worth it. I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like, if you can't be present with me and family, I don't need it. So I think that's all, I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much. Is that I don't talk about it much with other people, um, from what I've been trained to do. We're very present, we're flourishing. And like, we go on trips, we have fun, we're, I, I just want that for my life. I deserve

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  an amazing relationship. And I saw like even bits of it when I was like saying I was in a relationship. People really wanted to ruin and find and source and break, break me down so like I don't have a relationship. But that's actually what I've been working so hard for, for like, two to three years, is getting in this place. So, and like with no one else's help, just me. And so I like, really need this.

• 1:00:47Bunnie XO?

  Have you met him yet, Sophia?

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Yes, I have.

• 1:00:50Bunnie XO?

  Do you approve?

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  He's okay.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, like, it's not like a year in or anything. Totally serious, but um, Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip.

• 1:01:05Bunnie XO?

  Sophia, you have a boyfriend. Oh, we're gonna talk about this after.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, so yeah, we met together, our boyfriends together on our winter break trip this winter, so.

• 1:01:18Bunnie XO?

  What do you think about Sophia's boyfriend?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  You know, I can't really judge when the kids are, you know, fifteen, sixteen. I mean, wow, they have so, so much to do and grow. Um, cause I was once there.

• 1:01:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was saying that the other night. So her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas, cause he lives in Utah for her birthday. And she's also homeschooled, which is like, great. Um, so we had a great birthday weekend together. And I was like, sitting at dinner with them after she like blew out her candles and everything. And I was like, at fifteen. I was like on party buses with like twenty seven year olds.

• 1:02:03Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it wild how the opposite of us?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Like, I was like, this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia is in like, an amazing restaurant, has like, all this stuff, has someone who like, actually cares, you know, they're just building like, a great friendship and and just quality, quality time, quality people that I kind of really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it.

• 1:02:36Bunnie XO?

  I love it. And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  It's just, I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with. So God is good, yeah.

• 1:02:49Bunnie XO?

  That. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at, Sophia?

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  I met him on VR.

• 1:02:57Bunnie XO?

  On what? Virtual reality?

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Bunnie XO?

  Is that like a video game or?

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  Um, it's like those headsets, you know?

• 1:03:04Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  With like the virtual games and stuff.

• 1:03:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha. Okay.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Um, specifically VR chat.

• 1:03:10Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha. Okay.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Those kids are in VR chat. Watch out.

• 1:03:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's that's like AOL chat when we were growing up.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Literally. So yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially.

• 1:03:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Well, I would think that being who you are, it's gotta be hard to meet people a normal way. It's not like you're just gonna go to church and meet somebody, you know? And I would think growing up with who your mom is, is probably makes it hard for you to meet people a normal way also. And you don't go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to meet people where you are at, you know, in life, so. How has your mom's, um, stardom affected you?

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends, like in real life and stuff. Um, but I would say once they accept, like, who I am online, then we become like best friends, you know?

• 1:04:08Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  But some people, once they find out who I really am, they like, don't wanna like be friends with me.

• 1:04:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, because of your mom?

• 1:04:15Speaker 03

  Like, I mean, I don't really get hurt by that because in the end, then you're just fake. So I just block them, you know?

• 1:04:22Bunnie XO?

  No, I love that. Uh, Bailey had to go through that too, whenever, you know, whenever we were first coming up in the limelight. There was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were. And I was just like, you don't need friends like that. If they have parents that are gonna judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who their parents are, when they haven't even met us or shook our hands, then you don't want those people in your life anyways.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia uh kind of like catfish people.

• 1:04:55Bunnie XO?

  What do you mean?

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  Catfishing, okay. I have, it's called secret accounts.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh, they're called uh finstas, right? Or isn't that what they're, what they are?

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I mean, it's basically like all accounts, you know?

• 1:05:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Like, I don't use my public profiles or my real name.

• 1:05:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  On stuff. Like, my friends know my first name.

• 1:05:16Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  But like, I usually don't tell them my last name.

• 1:05:19Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Until they find out who like I really am.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Like, for instance.

• 1:05:22Bunnie XO?

  But that's actually kind of smart.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  That is smart. Like, like, we have this show like called Catfish, right?

• 1:05:28Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  But I have to say, like, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not a toxic way.

• 1:05:34Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Because, like, for instance, like, we flew into Utah so that her and her boyfriend could meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air on the first, the first date, which was at a trampoline park.

• 1:05:49Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  And everyone brought their families. And so I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family, not knowing who I was, just taking me in like a glass of water, just having a good time.

• 1:06:09Bunnie XO?

  Just loving you for who you were in that moment.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like, hmm, like, it just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life.

• 1:06:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, I really loved like how we've gotten to know each other, even though you could definitely see they are definitely affected by someone's fame, what they might, might not have, how we live. Um, and that's sad. And so I just say, whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions and relationships, that's awesome. I support it, even if it's a little catfishy. I'm okay with it.

• 1:06:59Bunnie XO?

  All right. I kind of understand the method to the madness, though. She wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason, not because of who you are, because of who she is. So I think it's actually kind of genius.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  It is genius.

• 1:07:10Bunnie XO?

  I like it. When's your birthday?

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  Uh, February twenty third.

• 1:07:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you're Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius Pisces. You're like right on the cusp.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Really? I don't know. Well, she likes to swim.

• 1:07:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, she's a little fishy.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, a Gothic swimmer.

• 1:07:26Bunnie XO?

  Little black fish swimming in the pond. Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj? What happened with that whole situation?

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  She's not a Barbie.

• 1:07:38Bunnie XO?

  Cause I feel like she kinda called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  A lot of people bring things upon themselves in my career, but yes.

• 1:07:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I feel like she's doing that now to make the stallion also. And I think people did, people didn't take her, her. People didn't consider it bullying whenever she did it to you because it was a few years ago, but now that they're seeing a pattern and how she treats people. I think it kind of, you know, is putting a spotlight on how she acts as a person.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  I have to say, like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said, like, I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching, like, a Teen Mom rerun. One day when she was doing that.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  I have to say, anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing. Not paying attention to their own mental health and why she's doing that. The reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way. Calls someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever. That is a denial. They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj. Like a Chrissy Teigen, who also does that to me, or other people who do that, or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of. The toxicity between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up.

• 1:09:04Bunnie XO?

  So it's a trigger for you?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  You know, I just recognize it as complete mental illness almost, um, to be honest. So I don't think. Uh, my daughter has anything to worry about of like listening, paying attention to anything, uh, from women who have. Like a platform and they're just like lashing out in mental illness because that's not having self-control. That's not therapeutically dealing with it. Um, she also wasn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki Minaj is a great mom. I don't think she really has done the personal work. She's married, I think, like a convict who I guess is like done very weird things. Um, so I can't really care about anyone who that comes from.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  That's like caring about a hater online who says the same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of like, ooh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity. So, and I'm sorry that Megan Thee Stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal behavior, uh, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists to work with and have friendships with.

• 1:10:23Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now? Or I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying. But does it hurt still or did it, did it ever hurt you like in the beginning? And how do you deal with it now?

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity. And I think that's why I am totally cool with Sophia not being on it, uh, not posting as much, not doing whatever. Because it's really not needed.

• 1:10:55Bunnie XO?

  It's not a safe space.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just tried to, again, pardon me, create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's like posting once a year, that's what's good for us. Um, like, and I don't even know, like this whole thing with like limiting teenagers on social media. I think in a way it feels like we're letting. Like criminals and deep fakes and all these things. Control and take over and oversaturate the internet. When the internet would be so much more better with like. Credible, real people who enjoy the internet. So. I just wish I had better people to play with on the internet.

• 1:11:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. But the the internet has hurt you before to where it sent you into shame. What did you say?

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, shame spiral, like definite, like depression or. Maybe anxiety at times and.

• 1:11:53Bunnie XO?

  It's gotta be heavy, especially when they run like news articles about you and stuff like that.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I.

• 1:11:58Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like the press bullies you?

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  I feel I feel like we need to work on um. Just reporting in a non bullish. Fraudulent way um like when I've been dealing, you know, like when I was like attacked at dinner by security. And then everyone acts like I did something to them and I have reporters calling me. Everywhere. And they're making me up to be a bad person. My lawyer lawyers were literally like you cannot. Talk to them anymore. If they want to behave this way, if they can't tell the right news. I'm not responding to them. Do not respond to them. And that's just kind of sad because. Again, like just kind of being raised with. News reporters and even some of them being my friends.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  I it's just been really sad to see like people. Use their jobs and inflict toxicity. And affect someone's mental health or it could. I'm not letting that happen, but it definitely does to other people.

• 1:12:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I think online is. Um, kind of like the devil's playground, you know, like people can say and do whatever the hell they want and there's no recourse.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Well, I feel like the good people uh get the recourse like they actually get like I can't even get on TikTok live. Because someone said it was like sexually explicit, sitting in my office doing nothing.

• 1:13:21Bunnie XO?

  Um, did you appeal it?

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have. Reached out. They say that they don't have footage. They can't see it, so they can't redo it. I just feel like or undo it. I feel like. Internet platforms are just crumbling. Period. Like they're crumbling. They're not doing that well. They're relying so heavily on marketing. They don't care to keep health. Number one, even though we're giving all of these things like healthy mindset and track your time and do all this. But we just keep allowing again, like deep fakes, toxicity, everything nonstop.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  So like if I go and look on my dashboard right now, you'll see like my account on the back end flagged all the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those bullies?

• 1:14:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  So I just, I let the

• 1:14:16Bunnie XO?

  There's no solution to the problem.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just let the internet crumble. And I like to use it um to post, to share things, uh whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or whatever, but I don't know. I maybe just one day. Who knows if I need any of it. I really don't know if I need social media.

• 1:14:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still you know, be obsessed with you because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews. Have, did you sell poop or did you not sell poop?

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Oh my god, that's so funny. I sell my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime and we sold out of that. But yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop.

• 1:15:06Bunnie XO?

  I love

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  I have never sold my poop. I do get offers literally every day. Every day for it. And it's crazy. Like my boyfriend's like you, he's like, I find, like I just, it's like, I find it so disgusting, but he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you like five thousand dollars for you to send them shit. And he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like he's like, I don't know how this is.

• 1:15:36Bunnie XO?

  They waft in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had OF.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Bunnie XO?

  They, they like are vacuum sealed and sitting for like two weeks. Like it's wild.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. So um yeah, I don't know, but I, I haven't done that, but I I don't know. I heard it was like against the law, so I just don't do that.

• 1:15:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Bunnie XO?

  How, what's the weirdest request you have gotten on your OnlyFans?

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, what's weird anymore?

• 1:16:06Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  I don't know. There's so many weird.

• 1:16:07Bunnie XO?

  What's the oddest or you know, wildest?

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  There's so many weird things I hear uh every day.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to like think so much. But um.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  I don't know. I just find it weird when people really want to like have customs. And like they always try to like get in my personal life. So it's like your boyfriend or like, could you ask for a friend to do that? I just am like, why would you even get on here and and like insinuate I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy imagination?

• 1:16:48Bunnie XO?

  So how is your OF doing? How is your OF doing? Is it?

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  Um, my OF is doing fabulous and I love my OF. I can't, I like, I often ask myself. When I think to just shutting it down, um. Cause I I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed. Um, and I just don't like dealing with any like sexual shaming stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down. Maybe I won't. And then I keep it up. And I often like, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get. But I often, like, there's a lot of negativity online. But I will say OF is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity.

• 1:17:30Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I loved my OF. I have, it was great. If you're a hater on somebody's OF, you've got fucking problems.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Bunnie XO?

  You're paying them monthly to talk shit to them.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy and that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who, or women even, who always send me like the best messages. And I'm like, God, I needed that for my self-worth today, or like my self-compassion, or like just loving myself today. So I have to say if that's so positive out of all the other social medias. I've kept my OnlyFans. I, and I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes. I'm like, I can't delete this. It makes me so happy.

• 1:18:10Bunnie XO?

  And you shouldn't have to delete it. If it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it? Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle? I've never understood that that stigma with OF. It's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults. And people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms? You know, being an escort? Like, it's wild to me.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  So I, yeah, I just, I think OnlyFans has just, again, been positive for my mental health. Positive for me. Um, I don't know, like, I literally screen grab and save some of these messages. Cause I was like, if I ever just bye bye from it, I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories. I mean, I don't know, like, my boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it. So, and honestly, I think he, he actually likes it. So like, he makes his like own little funny username. And he's like, oh, chat with me on there. It's just kind of like a fun play thing.

• 1:19:14Bunnie XO?

  Role play, yeah.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Honestly, if that's good for my relationship, if it's good for my business, if it's good for me, I'm like, God, could, could life get any greater?

• 1:19:23Bunnie XO?

  Oh, if Sophia ever wanted to make an OnlyFans, would you allow her? When she's of age?

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Um, well, I definitely out of the question on now.

• 1:19:33Bunnie XO?

  Right, of course.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Reporters actually have asked me that already.

• 1:19:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  I was like, literally thrown.

• 1:19:39Bunnie XO?

  No, not now. That's, she's underage. That's weird.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Guys, that's like, not allowed.

• 1:19:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, but I mean, she is almost 18. So I, I think that's probably why.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  I have so many years to go before that.

• 1:19:51Bunnie XO?

  I said, I'm counting them down. I'm like, kid, you got two years. Two years to get the hell out. No, I'm just kidding.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't think Sophia wants to do that. Like, Sophia basically barely uses social media.

• 1:20:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Um, Sophia, do you have any use or need for anything that's an adult only platform?

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:20:14Bunnie XO?

  She said no.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  No. You know, and I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically like, be like, I'll run it. I'll start it. I'll do it. Like, you have to do this. And I didn't even do it myself, open it. So, um, I think because it was like a different journey in that. And again, like I am a sex symbol, like I am something in that arena. And I think you can't disown that or act like it's not. Um, and so.

• 1:20:48Bunnie XO?

  Well, you had a sex tape that came out.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and a lot of, you know, then I had a novelty line from that odd, traumatic, successful experience of a tape situation. I was like, you know what, for like sexual health and wellbeing, I want to come out with a men's and women's line of novelty toys. I also won an AVN award for that. So I like, those are things that happened in my life journey.

• 1:21:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  And I'm happy they were successful. And I think to do that justice, you know, to have some of those adult platform pages. That's, that's a no brainer in that. You know, journey. So I'm fine with it and it makes me happy.

• 1:21:31Bunnie XO?

  How much did you end up making off of that sex tape?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  I don't know. I still make money off of it.

• 1:21:37Bunnie XO?

  She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  No, it hasn't stopped. And I also made, you know, millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. Um, I actually just enjoy business. Like a lot of people, and I love my friends who are all into adult entertainment. That was not my allure. That's not like my thing. Um, but I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level. Um, so yeah.

• 1:22:08Bunnie XO?

  You like multiple streams of income.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, who doesn't?

• 1:22:11Bunnie XO?

  Right, right.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I have my own way of how I live. You know, my sex life and my choices and me as a woman and I'm just really happy, like happier than I've ever been. So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, I was meant to be, even though it was like not the greatest thing. But yeah, it can certainly get you predators. It can certainly lead to like sexual assaults and those things. So I just want other women or even my own child, my own daughter to know like there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  I literally look at my sex tape and I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is like going through just like bereavement of the loss of her dad. And so when I see a sex tape, I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again. But I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or like the toys that I made and it brings them joy. And so I have to really take myself away from that. But I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental help and help on myself for sure.

• 1:23:35Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Bunnie XO?

  What does twenty twenty four hold for Farrah and Sophia? What do you guys want?

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Lots of laughs.

• 1:23:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Um, laughing a bunch this year, traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write, create and make.

• 1:23:51Bunnie XO?

  Are you guys gonna do a song together?

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Well, we have.

• 1:23:54Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I love it.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  No, thank you.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sophia has to know.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  She does not know how to sing.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  I don't know how to sing. And that's okay. For some reason, I have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So again, like some people love your stuff when you're depressed and going through like a mental breakdown. So I love.

• 1:24:13Bunnie XO?

  Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, fuck, I'm going through it too, you know, like this is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband because of the music he makes, you know, so.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. However, you will enjoy someone's music or. Whatever. So yeah, Sophia's gonna go on her own journey of Gothic music.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  See how people relate to that and have fun. And right. So yeah, I mean, every, every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves. So I think that's what we kinda are doing. Um, besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing. I'm just like back to school again.

• 1:24:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So are we gonna get that law? He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head. Um, so are you gonna, are you gonna move forward to getting your law degree?

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm moving forward with, I'm in a master's program right now. And you can start doing like your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way. I'm getting my PhD. But I'm going through the masters, almost done with that at the end of this year. And then doing law the next year and everything like that. So. I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees and everything, I should already have the law.

• 1:25:26Bunnie XO?

  You should be your own lawyer, Farrah, at this point.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  I keep learning new things every day though. So, um, yeah, there's a lot going on in 2024. I can't wait till it's actually done, but I'm excited for it.

• 1:25:37Bunnie XO?

  I love that. And I love watching you guys grow and flourish together. And I think it's amazing. And I just want you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you. Cause happiness is hard to come by, man. You have to choose happiness.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Go mom and daughter teams.

• 1:25:52Bunnie XO?

  Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Thanks for having us.

• 1:25:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Awesome. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.