New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding | Rep. Tim Burchett

Rep. Tim Burchett wants the government to tell the truth about UFOs, and stop insider trading in Congress. He hasn’t had much luck with either one. (00:00) What Is the UAP Phenomenon? (11:15) Why Is the US Government Lying About UFOs? (25:32) Non-Human Technology and Underwater UFOs (44:22) Will Donald Trump Declassify UFO Documents? (48:39) Insider Trading Is Out of Control (1:11:35) Has Burchett Been Threatened in Congress? (1:13:40) Will America’s Debt Be Our Downfall? Paid partnerships with: Cozy Earth: Luxury shouldn't be out of reach. Go to https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker for up to 20% off. GCU: Find your purpose at Grand Canyon University. Learn more at https://GCU.edu Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the new Pod 5 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/TUCKER to claim 50% off a new system. There's no safe like SimpliSafe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:27Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you Congressman for doing this. I never talk about UFOs. Thank you, Tim. Never talk about UFOs. We don't do shows on UFOs, UAPs, whatever they're calling them, these mysterious lights, these objects, because I know for a dead certain fact that there is an ongoing 70-year ongoing disinformation campaign by the US government to sow confusion. Some people participating in that effort, I don't think they know they're participating in the effort, but they are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail of what this really is. There is something going on. What is it? It's so hard to know. You're one of the few people, from my perspective, who seems sincere.

• 1:09Tucker Carlson?

  You're also informed as a member of Congress, and so I'm just grateful that you're doing this, because I think you're going to be telling the truth. So, what are these things?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know. I think there's a lot of different misconceptions about them. And I kind of came into it organically, I guess. I had pretty cool parents. They would just take me to the library and just let me stay. Or I'd ride my bike over and stay a couple hours. I grew up in the 70s in Tennessee, and, you know, I guess now you'd probably be taken to DCS or something for that. But, you know, I went in there and I can remember there was a stack of books on a thing, and, you know, they had all the, you know, something on, maybe The Occult or something like that, and then Bigfoot, and then there's something on UFOs. And I picked up the UFO books, started reading about it, and it just fascinated me. And I read the Bible. I'm a Christian.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  I'm not a very good one, obviously, by my chosen profession, but... But you know, the Bible talks about Ezekiel saw the wheel. And people always say, well, that was a dream, you know, and they always try to over explain things in the Bible. And I just think it was a, it's written for simple folks like me.

• 2:42Tucker Carlson?

  And I agree with that.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  And it was a translation, though. And at the time, the most technologically advanced item that they had was a wheel. And it describes a wheel within a wheel.

• 2:53Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  It describes a landing gear and all these other things that we would today say are modern day flying saucers.

• 3:01Tucker Carlson?

  And it's pretty specific and it's a pretty, the Ezekiel passage you're referring to is it, it's not just like a parenthetical note. It's like a, it's like a whole description.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He goes into it. He describes, I think the landing gear in some translations, talks about it being hooves of animal, like the hoof of an animal, which if you see, you know, you see when we went, when we went to the moon, that there is the landing gear, you know, it's got a pad, if we actually went to the moon. I know there's a lot of people that don't believe it.

• 3:33Tucker Carlson?

  I'm arching my eyebrows, but we're afraid from comment.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But the, but, but so I'm laying on my couch, fast forward, I'm in Congress. I'm laying on my couch and I'm, I'm getting ready to go to sleep. I sleep in my office. Shower in the gym. I'm not, as my banker says, he called me one day and said, he said, he said, brother, you're, he said, I'm pretty sure that you're the most honest member of Congress, but I know you're the poorest. So, so I, I do that. And, and so I was watching, there was a thing on UFOs and they were talking about some former members were involved in some stuff, trying to find out something. And I thought, you know, I'm gonna start asking some questions. And then I'm walking down the street and the center of all media

• 4:19Speaker 02

  in Washington DC TMZ, his name's Colin, he's a good friend of mine. We've been to lunch and hang out some, but he, he stopped me and I didn't know who he was. And he said, hey, I'm with TMZ. He said, what do you think about this UFO report that's getting ready to come out? And I said, I said, brother, it'll look like it was shot with a shotgun because it'll be, it would be all redacted.

• 4:39Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  And, and then, and I said, and if it, and it won't come out when they say it's gonna come out. And I said, really? Why? And I said, well, probably because. The original report is probably gonna have something in it and they're gonna pull it back and sure enough they did and it was heavily redacted and it was just a big fluff piece, nothing. And then I said the magic words which ended up putting on one of my T-shirts, which I sell on my website, that more people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress. And for good reason. And for great reason. And so, people started calling me, you know, all these national figures that you see, reporters, legitimate reporters like yourself, people

• 5:19Speaker 02

  from all over the country. And so I started asking questions. And I get with Luna and some other folks, Matt Gaetz was involved in it at the time. And we went to the chairman and said, "Let's have a, let's have a hearing." And I think they really, Tucker, I think they just patted us on the head and said, "Sure, we'll have the hearing, you know, and they're gonna make fun of you and go on." Turned out, I talked to some old timers that were there, reporters, they said that was the most, the most attended hearing they'd ever had. They had to open up another room and there were people lined up down the hall.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  When I walked out at, I see it was, I guess in the morning, I walked out of office, had to be on an early show about it, at 4:30 in the morning, people were already lined up outside the building. And they come from all over the country. One guy came on his vacation and there was ministers there, there's people. So it really touched a nerve. Because they're hoping for disclosure. That's exactly right. The truth. And they're tired of being told, they're idiots. And, you know, and the funny thing about it all is, is that when I go to speak to groups, it never fails that somebody of prominence, of prominence will come, a doctor, a lawyer, a PR person will come up to me and say, "Hey, I had a experience. I was sitting at a, I

• 6:41Speaker 02

  was helping out a colleague. I rarely go out of town. This is kind of unusual for me. So this is kind of a, a interesting deal for me up here. But I went to another congressman's district to help him run for reelection. We were sitting in a country club. And I'm not a country clubber type as you can probably tell. Jackie Gleason said, I wouldn't join a country club that'd have somebody like me. And I'm sort of like that way. Yeah. And I sit next to this lady and she was classy. You could tell she was, she was old money. She wasn't new money. She wasn't, she had nice jewelry on and she had the clothes you could tell were, were nice. And she was, she was just a classy lady. And she said, and she said, Congressman, about those UFOs. And I thought, well, here it comes.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  You know, I'm going to get popped. And she said, I had an experience when I was, when I was in college. She said, she talked about going to pick up her, um, her brother. And this thing followed them down, um, for several minutes. You know, it was cylindrical shaped. Um, and it followed them. It was, I think it was close to dark and it was kind of lit up. It had a, I think a bluish tint to it or something. And it flew, it followed them for quite some time. And then it just took off and they were like, what in the world was that? And they, you know, this was in the seventies. And, um, and she said, I really haven't really told many people that. And I get stories like that.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  I had a, and, and when they film you, when I was early on in Congress, I had plenty of time, obviously. Um, it'd been the 435th most powerful member of Congress. And, you know, these, uh, History Channel, all these folks would come interview me and they would do it. One time they interviewed me for like an hour. So they would take segments of that and put that out for just multiple issues, you know, of, of their TV show, Hunting UFOs or whatever. And I remember I was in Nashville at the time and a colleague, a former state legislator, a guy was in leadership, called me up and I remember he, and I, it was kind of ironic that he was back, back in East Tennessee. And I was in Nashville for a, a get together I was throwing for our state legislators.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Cause nobody ever, when I was in legislature, nobody ever did anything for us from Congress. And I just get down there and throw them a spaghetti dinner or something, you know? And the phone rang and it was him and he said, Timbo, he said, I just saw you on TV on the UFO show. And I said, really? And I thought, here it comes. He's gonna pop me. He said, let me tell you a story about when I was in the Navy. And he's older and he was hollering back at his wife. What year was that? And she would holler. It was, I think it was in the late 50s. And he was on a, I believe it's a tin can, but that's a destroyer, probably no more. But anyway, he was in the Navy and he said they were, it was early on when they were first putting nuclear missiles on subs. They were unloading a missile for the sub. And he

• 9:36Speaker 02

  said, the sub got out there and then this thing just flew over the top of them. He said, remember he said, Timbo, if that thing was two city blocks, it was, it had to be two city blocks wide. He said it was cylindrical and he named it and he described it. And then he said, he said, and he just took off. No noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing. And they all just stood there and were talking, they're going, what the heck was that? You know, and then they get back on shore, they go back to shore. And he said that, you know, the men in the, he said, I figured it was CIA or something. And they said, if y'all don't, this is national security. If you ever talk about this, you'll be busting rocks for the rest of your life, if you're lucky.

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• 13:27Tucker Carlson?

  The best. So that attitude has not changed?

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Not one bit.

• 13:31Tucker Carlson?

  No. And the question is... Why? You know, why would the US government have an interest in lying about something that's visible to millions of people around the world? So many people, as you just said, have had the experience of seeing them in person. Why would they have an interest in hurting those people, calling them crazy, threatening them, et cetera? So tell us about your experience as you've pushed for more disclosure. What kind of reaction have you received?

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I think the arrogance from the federal government, there's a control thing that you see in every aspect of government. Everybody in power wants to keep you out of their little circle of power. And I think the monetary concern is there. If, could you imagine if they had something that would, could heat homes in the summer, in the, in the winter, and cool them in the summer, and had zero cost? I mean, it's something that we could, it would put everybody out of business. The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business. They wouldn't, we wouldn't have to be in wars all over the world, which

• 14:40Speaker 02

  are, if you get down to it, it's about oil. It's always about oil. And, and so you've got the greed factor, you got the power factor, and then you got just the arrogance. The Bible talks about professing themselves to be wise that became fools. And there's nobody in Washington that doesn't think they're wise.

• 14:57Tucker Carlson?

  I wonder though, I mean, for sure. So you think there, this is an effort to hide the existence of superior technology because it's a threat to existing industry?

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I think that's part of it. And also, but it's like this, we're motorcycle guys. Say if I took a, say I took a brand new Indian or Harley Davidson down to, back in time to, you know, the Mayflower or whatever, and gave it to them, you know, they would maybe shine it. They wouldn't know how to do anything. I mean, of course, they didn't have carb, we don't have carburetors. They wouldn't know how to do anything with fuel injection. They probably couldn't ever make the fuel high enough octane where it'd kick it off. They maybe could get it started if they got lucky at some point. But that would be a rarity. I think that's sort of if there is something that they can't, they don't know what it is. And I think too, They have compartmentalized this stuff. So you think FOIA, I'm going to Freedom of

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Information. Everybody says, well, just Freedom of Information at Burchuk. Go to Area 51. There's nothing at Area 51. They've moved it to Right Pad or something else since then. But the point is, is that everybody in government is looking down the barrel, or looking in their little area. And to their knowledge, most of those people are telling the truth. And they sent it off to these, these, there's five or six corporations that it's been in, it's been disclosed in, in hearings that we think probably has some of this technology. But it has been so compartmentalized, the people, I mean, there's nobody alive that was around when in Roswell of 47. And incidents that happened in Texas and others all over the, all over the world. And so they don't really know what they're looking

• 16:37Speaker 02

  at. They're looking at something and they've, they've associated it or given it to these corporations that have a quasi governmental connection, but they're far enough apart where I can't go FOIA, I can't go FOIA forward. I mean, I could, but they're just going to tell me, go jump in the lake. I'm not going to tell you.

• 16:53Tucker Carlson?

  But I'm, I guess I'm stumbling over kind of the most basic claim that they make, which is that all this information is classified.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 17:02Tucker Carlson?

  On what grounds could the federal government justify classifying reports of things that its servicemen have seen?

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Every time it's national security, Tucker.

• 17:12Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  I don't know, but they, but you have a group of people that are so afraid of the, of the industrial war machine that funds their campaigns. And you go to these, you look at all the people that, that, that stop when I have a disclosure bill, I just want to know. I, you know, I'm not saying they're out there, but we're spending tens of million, every department, FBI, CIA, I'm pretty sure TVA doesn't, but they probably should. But there's probably every, every alphabet agency in the country has a, has a wing that's investigating these things. NASA, they are all doing it. They're all doing, and they'll admit that they're, they're looking at something. But then you come to them, they say they don't exist, but we need the money to do it. And now the interesting thing is.

• 17:53Tucker Carlson?

  And that's in the budget.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And now the interesting thing is, is that the. Is that they've seen that the opinion polls are showing that over half the people in the country believe something else is going on.

• 18:07Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  And so now they're saying, hey, we need money to study this. I mean, it's, it's the cat going after its tail, really. And it's just a circular thing that they just after money and they don't really care.

• 18:19Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course, they don't, that's for sure. But there is a process by which the Congress demands disclosure and that process has been thwarted. And I'm just interested in getting details on how that happened. So the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, I think.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:36Tucker Carlson?

  Required disclosure that passed, right?

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Allegedly, but again, who's going to enforce it?

• 18:43Tucker Carlson?

  So, but what did that, do you remember what that act required?

• 18:47Speaker 02

  It is, I do not believe it passed. The one that I'm thinking about did not pass in the Senate because remember I had the bill. It was two pages long for disclosure.

• 18:58Tucker Carlson?

  What did it say?

• 18:59Speaker 02

  And then it just said, if it dealt with UAP's UFOs, disclose it. If a file contains it, America has the right to see it unredacted. And Chuck Schumer's was several hundred pages long and it was celebrated by everybody. And it set up a commission very similar to the Kennedy assassination, which here we are, you know, 60 plus years later and still, you know, they're telling us this single bullet that was, and you're, you're a gunman that they found on a gurney that was basically unscratched.

• 19:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  You know, an hour and a half after the assassination in, in the hospital at Lakeland.

• 19:35Tucker Carlson?

  After going through two bodies.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  After two bodies and bone and everything else. And it doesn't, it just.

• 19:40Tucker Carlson?

  So, but Schumer's solution was we needed a Warren Commission to tell us.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. To who can decide? And that basically would just cover it up and I trust America.

• 19:51Tucker Carlson?

  Why would, of course, of course, there's, but why would Chuck Schumer do that? Like, what's his motive? Do you have any idea?

• 20:00Speaker 02

  I think his staffers drew up the bill and I think honestly in their, in their mind, they probably thought it was the right thing. But here's my thing about staffers. Everybody wants to talk about, you know, the swamp. And I always go through this. A swamp is something pretty cool. God created a swamp. I grew up frog gigan and fishing and around swamps. They're pretty cool. They're they attract animals for good reason. And, um, uh, and so Washington DC is not, is not a swamp. It is a sewer. It is a manmade creation. Now figure this, you've got a staffer. Um, and Republicans were supposed to be less government. I look at these, we get these pictures made every year, every couple of years.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  I don't know why. I've never seen the picture. I'm not going to hang it up my dad gum office of your committee, you know, and all the people on the committee and then all the staffers behind it. I counted one time on ours, I think it was close to in one of my committees, a close to 50 people. And I guess for the Democrats who get 49 people, you know, we're supposed to be less government. So you have a staffer, say that is, and the committees are just too big. And too many of these chairman, the biggest mistake they make is we're going to be different. We're going to be different. And what do they do? They keep almost every dad gum staffer. And the staffer is already plugged in with the lobbyists, with the K Street crowd. And they're the ones probably getting a little trip somewhere, maybe going out for a steak dinner, going out for drinks and they're compromised.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  And so I can't tell you how many times I've seen a good bill become a study bill.

• 21:32Tucker Carlson?

  I completely agree, except in most cases, it's like obvious why industry would want to subvert the legislation. Like they don't want the regulation. They don't want competition. You know, there are a lot of different obvious reasons and you sort of see how the staffers are paid off. I get it. But UFOs, like, is there a UFO lobby? Like, who wants that? Who's paying for that?

• 21:55Speaker 02

  I think.

• 21:55Tucker Carlson?

  And why?

• 21:56Speaker 02

  I think you've got major technology corporations, um, air, aeronautics, um, some of our missile defense people, for some reason, they do not want this released.

• 22:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's very weird because whatever's going on is clearly, or would seem to be a threat to them.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Well, look at the.

• 22:14Tucker Carlson?

  You don't control your airspace, which we don't.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:17Tucker Carlson?

  Why is that not a problem for Raytheon?

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills. That's what I would tell you today.

• 22:26Tucker Carlson?

  And if we're to do that, I can think of one.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  You see the names of a couple of those with those, a couple of those corporations.

• 22:33Tucker Carlson?

  So it's defense contractors are the bottom line is, I think, what you're saying is that the defense contractors, for some reason, we can only speculate, don't want this information disclosed.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 22:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's a very powerful lobby, of course.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  It's one of the most powerful ones. That's why we're, that's why we're sending $600 million to Ukraine and the National Defense Authority, which I didn't vote for. I wanted to give our military more money, military fighting men more than money, but I didn't want to give the war pimps any more reason to Ukraine or any of these other wars we're in.

• 23:07Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  And the interesting thing about the $600 million, I was told by our leadership and in our conference that the president had requested that. And then I talked to the White House and guess what? The president had not requested that.

• 23:22Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Six, just $600 million. So Barshid, what's that? What are they gonna do with that?

• 23:26Tucker Carlson?

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• 25:59Tucker Carlson?

  Um, so I'm not surprised by anything that you've said, but I do think it raises like the, the core question, which I still am confused by. It's like, why would Raytheon be so opposed to the disclosure of this information? So what exactly hap- where are we with disclosure?

• 26:15Speaker 02

  A lot of people think that they're, that these folks are the ones that have the material from whatever craft or whatever it is. That's what I've been told by people in government. And that are in the know. And, um, you know, it's funny. It was like, um,

• 26:30Tucker Carlson?

  These companies have benefited from technology from whatever these things are.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Apparently, that's what they're telling me. Yeah.

• 26:37Tucker Carlson?

  And inform people, not just people.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  No, not just some guy on the street. And it's funny. I've, I've had a, um, the deep throat moment, you know, where Nixon, um, was overthrown and, and somebody comes up to me in the hallway, in a crowded hallway, somebody who I would be, consider a friend and said, Burchett, man, you really don't need to be doing this stuff, don't you? Man, you're kicking a hornet's nest on this thing.

• 27:01Tucker Carlson?

  You know, on the UFO stuff?

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, um, I've had them try to use it against me in campaigns and things, but, you know, they don't, we don't ever raise enough money to, to matter anyway.

• 27:14Tucker Carlson?

  Use against you in campaigns?

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the whisper campaign, or they put it on the internet. Burchett's, you know, all he cares about is this. No, I just care about where's the tens of millions of dollars going? Have a right to know.

• 27:25Tucker Carlson?

  Also, like, this is the biggest story in our, in human history. Yeah. I would think, I mean, like, what is that?

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Are we alone? Yeah.

• 27:33Tucker Carlson?

  Clearly not. And so you're satisfied, just to get to basics here quickly, you're satisfied that whatever we're seeing in the skies and have since at least the Second World War, since at least the development of nuclear weapons.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:46Tucker Carlson?

  Since Hiroshima, whatever that is, is not foreign military.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  No, because here, here it is. If it was Russian, I mean, honestly, Putin with his ego, he would ride bare chested down Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of UFO, you know, wrestle a a bear on the front porch of the, of the White House and get back in his, I mean, we, he wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine. If it was China, they would own us. They, they clearly partially own us now. And if it's America, you know, you wouldn't see Trump standing on a, um, an aircraft carrier and a, um, a jet flies by and breaks the sound barrier and everybody freaks, thinks that's the coolest thing. And I mean, it would be something a lot cooler than that. And so I just don't think we have that technology or we're able to utilize it.

• 28:31Tucker Carlson?

  So you've, so in the course of your probing into this, no one's ever taken you aside and said, hey, Burchett, back off a little bit. This is our stuff. We don't want to disclose it.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Pretty close to that. Pretty close to that.

• 28:46Tucker Carlson?

  But you don't believe it? You don't think this is our technology?

• 28:48Speaker 02

  No, I do not. There's no way. It is our tech. No way is our technology. There's a, you know, I've talked to too many pilots. Why would we risk?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Why would we risk our best? I mean, I've talked to the best, I've talked to the best pilots in the world that are ours. Some of them, not all of them, and that have told me. I mean, one guy, I remember I was at the Capitol Hill Club. It was just an unusual encounter. A guy spoke to a group and, and he followed me out and said, you know, Tim, or Congressman or whatever, he said, he said, that thing was 14 feet. He went like this from my canopy. And I thought to myself, why didn't he say 15? Why didn't he say 20? But he said 14. And then, um, he just, he said, this thing, it wasn't ours. And he said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't ours. And that's all he said. And I had a very high ranking member of the Navy describe some underwater

• 29:41Speaker 02

  experiences they'd had with something that was doing 200 miles. And when the best thing they got is probably 40.

• 29:47Tucker Carlson?

  Was doing 200 miles an hour underwater?

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Underwater, big as a football field. And that's no fish.

• 29:53Tucker Carlson?

  So is it possible, given our current understanding of physics, for any manmade machine to go anywhere near 200 miles an hour underwater?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Not with our technology, no. The best we have is probably in the, in the high 30s. And he was converting it, of course, knots is what the Navy guys would do, but there's

• 30:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, if I fire a 30.6 or any high caliber rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200 miles an hour. I can, I can probably catch it in the length of a swimming pool or so.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, or it just falls down.

• 30:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's like,

• 30:23Speaker 02

  So we've got, uh, and this was, this was described to me in areas, and I was quoted on, I was just, all I do is quote people that are, that are, that have knowledge. But this was one that was, um, he was talking about, there were five or six, I think, deep water areas of the ocean. You've traveled a lot. I have not. Um, there's not a lot of deep water areas around, or around East Tennessee at Fort Loudon Lake or anything. But, you know, talking miles deep. And of course, you've heard this before. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean. And he said, these are areas where we see a high propensity of these UFOs. And there was a case where, um, it was fairly well documented. Um, they,

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Had a multiple sightings. They were doing a maneuvers and had the ships or boats, whatever you want to call them out there. I'm not a Navy guy. And, um, and there was the sighting in the air and these pilots radioed back and said, Hey, is there something going on? Is there another operation? We got some secret technology stuff we're working on. They said, we don't have any, and they, you know, Pentagon, nobody, nobody knew about anything. And they pulled it back and then they pulled everything back, scrubbed the mission. And then the next day, all their internet traffic had been scrubbed. But this guy was kind of a wonk and he'd made

• 31:45Speaker 02

  copies of it. But my, you know, the point I have there is why would we risk multimillion dollar apparatus? And why would we put something in the air around our best pilots that could have a crash? Because these guys are talking about, there's actually, you know, they've come close to collisions. Why would they do that? They would not do that. That would be stupid. I mean, there's even, even, you know, I always say military intelligence. So I like congressional ethics. I don't think it really exists much anymore. But, um, anyway, it's, um, I just don't think that we'd be risking that. So that, that, that's my proof that it's not ours.

• 32:23Tucker Carlson?

  So how many military personnel have you spoken to about their personal experiences with these things?

• 32:29Speaker 02

  I'd say, well, I don't know, eight or nine, 10 maybe, you know, but I have to be real careful because I'm, I'm clearly somebody out there and I'm not backing down on it. I'm not ashamed of it or anything. I don't.

• 32:42Tucker Carlson?

  You have no reason to be ashamed of it. Why would you be ashamed?

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Well, that's what they try to do is they try to shame people.

• 32:47Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, are you, are you, are you hiding relevant secrets from the American public? I don't think you are.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  No, but.

• 32:52Tucker Carlson?

  Why aren't they ashamed?

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Well, I have to be careful about the white flags, the stuff they bring, stuff bring, people bring me that's not real.

• 32:59Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's, that's why we're talking to you.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 33:02Tucker Carlson?

  Because I've had a lot of people come to me with stuff like that.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I've got these pictures and I want to show you this. I've got this, you know, I'm always afraid I'm going to end up on a, in a refrigerator up in North Carolina or freezer in North Carolina somewhere, you know, because I don't, I'm not going up there and checking out some guy's finds he's got, you know, and that.

• 33:21Tucker Carlson?

  But do you think so? I think what you're saying is the disinformation campaign run by whomever.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  It's real.

• 33:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's definitely real. And I assume it's run by the US government or its satellites and the defense contractors. But part of the way that they discredit people who are interested in finding out what this is, is by telling them false things. And then

• 33:43Speaker 02

  They tried to destroy their careers. They did that to one of our guys, one of the very first person, the first hearing we had, if you remember, some weekly newspaper reporter found out that one of the guys suffered from PTSD for causes of his military career. You know what? In Tennessee, we embrace that. My daddy put on pillow in Okinawa. And to the day he died, I never woke him up over the top of him. I always woke him up by his big toe. Because he might have woke up on one of those dad gum islands and pinned me up against the wall. And so, and we celebrate our, our heroes. And but Washington DC just destroys them. And to think that a weekly newspaper found out this guy's medical history, which is a total violation of the law. Somebody should go to jail for it, but nobody did.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  They tried to destroy this guy. And that's, and you know, that's what happens to people in Washington DC. That's what happens to our military heroes when they step out of line because of the sewer or deep state, or whatever you want to call it. But that that's what they and that's why we need, we need real whistleblower protection for them.

• 34:46Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I agree with that completely, which we don't have. And by the way, I know two whistleblowers who are living outside the country because they can't come to the United States.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Sure. And I'll have people actually, I've had people call me. One last thing, I'm in Longworth building. It's no secret. It's public record. But I've had people that'll call me or send a message to me and want to come by. And they won't come in that building and ask me if I can come outside. I've had people call me and want to come to the house in East Tennessee. And, and because they don't want to come to Washington DC and talk to me. There's a, a well, publicized television show that was on for a while that

• 35:26Speaker 02

  I didn't know, I didn't know they were coming. I mean, I, and they said some people wanted to talk to me and it was a trusted friend. And I said, sure, send them, bring them up to, come on up to DC. And I said, well, they don't want to come to DC. And they drove from wherever to my house in East Tennessee on a Saturday afternoon. And then they put some stuff on a, on a screen that was pretty compelling.

• 35:50Tucker Carlson?

  What was it?

• 35:51Speaker 02

  It was aircraft flying at just crazy.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Stuff that we can't do that would turn you or me into basically a catch-up package. It was not.

• 36:03Tucker Carlson?

  No human being could handle the G-force.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Not at our, well, with the technology we have, the G-force would just have, just tore them apart. And you know, was it, was it unmanned or whatever? I don't know. But these guys, and one of them was a, um, well, they were scientists, several of them were scientists. And

• 36:22Tucker Carlson?

  They came to see you.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  They came to see me. Yeah. And I, cause it's kind of.

• 36:27Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, so what do you do with that information?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  I try to understand, try to grasp it within my very small brain of, and what am I supposed to do with that? I, I ask God all the time, what do you want me to do with this stuff, Lord? And right now, I'm, I'm, I'm just got to get enough disclosure. I, I've, I've come to the realization that nothing is ever going to happen, Tucker, until we have somebody in the White House that says enough is enough. And just disclose it. And I hope President Trump, you know, I have discussions with him privately and other times that I'm not, I've talked to his people, but at some point, there's several of us, Luna and myself and several others that are concerned about this issue and we want some answers.

• 37:11Tucker Carlson?

  We've got none.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  We've got none, zero.

• 37:14Tucker Carlson?

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• 37:58Tucker Carlson?

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• 38:29Speaker 00

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• 38:53Speaker 05

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• 39:22Tucker Carlson?

  Slash Tucker. What is that?

• 39:25Speaker 02

  I think that is the sewer. That is the industrial war complex. I think, and I've stated that in the, in the committee, I think part of the thing they do is they outrun the clock. They outrun the clock. They, you know, we either stumble, one of us gets in trouble, or they get us in trouble, or they lose, or they move on to another object, you know, another shiny object somewhere else. Americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that's about Congress's attention span, you know, because we're always on one. And then it's the hot issue and then the news cycle changes two weeks later on to something else.

• 39:58Tucker Carlson?

  So you guys are often, members of Congress are often briefed in SKIFs, you know, it's a secure location, then they immediately go and call CNN and tell them, you know, everyone was at the SKIF. But if a member of Congress received, quote, classified information about UAPs and then immediately held a press conference and said, here's what I just heard and saw. And yes, I'm breaking the law, but like tough shit, why don't you do something about it? What would happen?

• 40:23Speaker 02

  I don't know. They say they can imprison us, but I don't, they, you know, that's what we're told at the beginning. We're not even supposed to discuss. Some people will tell you, you can't even tell them that you've been in a SKIF, but the press is waiting for you as soon as you walk out.

• 40:36Tucker Carlson?

  Who told, who says that? Leadership of the party?

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, leadership, yeah. And they'll, and I've been in a SKIF before where they'll say, anything discussed in here, we remind you is punishable by law and, you know, it could, it's a felony. But the problem, you get in there, a lot of times it's the arrogance and the lies that are told to us. They contradict, I mean, I, they'll contradict what another department has said and they'll say, this does, this didn't happen, this doesn't exist. And then another one will say, this is one we don't know, but we can't figure out, there's just no answer. It defies all of our reason.

• 41:10Tucker Carlson?

  So these are the briefers from various federal agencies that you're talking about?

• 41:13Speaker 02

  And they're generally arrogant, you know, there's one kid with a man bun, I always remember him. He was a very arrogant and then I asked him about some specific instances, you know, there's one where we had a nuclear facility, something Buzz did and actual facility shut down.

• 41:29Tucker Carlson?

  Famously, yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Documented and he-

• 41:31Tucker Carlson?

  In the Dakotas, I think.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I can't remember exactly after, I haven't, I read, I read so many of these things, but, and he said, I remember he said, we have no data points on that. And I thought, and I said, dude, it's in all, Google it. It's everywhere. And, you know, I just, I get very frustrated, Tucker. A lot of times I won't, I go to these classified briefs. And part of the reason you go to a classified briefing is to get information, which I'm sure that's where a lot of the stock trading goes on. But, but I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew. So you can't even talk about it. I think it's a trap. I don't, that's why I don't go to a lot of the classified briefings, because again, I can just pick it up on the street right after they walk out.

• 42:14Tucker Carlson?

  But the Congress funds the agencies that are briefing you.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 42:18Tucker Carlson?

  So you could say to the man bun kid, you know, son, I pay your salary. So maybe you...

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Well, it's during the Biden administration. So I was a little bit out of...

• 42:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans control the Congress. So like,

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Allegedly.

• 42:31Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand. I just, I'm honestly baffled as to why no one...

• 42:36Speaker 02

  There's too many, it crosses both lines. I think, you know, that, that money runs deep. And they contribute a lot to a lot of people.

• 42:43Tucker Carlson?

  So of the issues, and some are well known, I won't even bring them up here, but they're very well known, that have bipartisan consensus. You know, like both parties agree on this issue. You would say UAPs are one of those?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  I would say they are. I mean, AOC's in there. I mean, they're all in there. You know, it's just...

• 43:02Tucker Carlson?

  Does AOC show any interest in this topic?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  She does. She does. I think, you know, she's concerned like everybody else, where's, where the tens of millions of dollars going? And I'm sure she could think about it.

• 43:13Tucker Carlson?

  Well, what the hell are these things? That's like an even deeper concern.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:16Tucker Carlson?

  The money's fake. We just make it.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just print it. Yeah. But it's, well, we've had, you know, what are they? We've had sworn testimony where they'll tell you, they'll say, um, yeah, I've seen beings. There's a movie coming out.

• 43:30Tucker Carlson?

  And, and, well, hold on. And the testimony says, this is sworn testimony for the Congress?

• 43:34Speaker 02

  sworn testimony. They've got, they've, uh, there're beings and there's, there's,

• 43:41Speaker 02

  saucers or some craft or something, but there's a movie coming out pretty soon. If it's ever allowed to come out, I was in it a little bit. And, um, and they have former members of the CIA, you have others that positively say they were there and they identified these things. They diagnosed them and they saw them, they saw the craft. And, you know, there, there's enough people out there saying it, but they're just so suppressed and the media moves on so fast on something. And, you know, I've been on so many of these interviews and they're playing the, the theme from, um, uh, some crazy TV show or something before I come on, you know, and they're just making a joke out of it and I get it. People want to laugh about it.

• 44:26Tucker Carlson?

  I don't get it at all.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I get the fact.

• 44:29Tucker Carlson?

  It seems like an absolutely, I mean, it seems.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  They just want to humiliate me and.

• 44:33Tucker Carlson?

  But it's a deadly serious topic, objectively speaking, and if.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  It's a national defense issue. It's everything. It's everything.

• 44:40Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  I mean, it's not a national, it's a world defense issue.

• 44:42Tucker Carlson?

  It's a lot more serious than Black Lives Matter or any of the other nonsense that we've, you know, become obsessed with over the past generation. So, um, yeah, there's, I mean, that tells you right there, that's part of a, an, an operation designed to discredit people who ask questions, right?

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I've had, I've had military personnel call me and tell me that they've, they've chased these things. They've been in the water. I had one guy tell me a story. He was an officer and he was in the water fishing off, um, I think it was on the east coast and this huge craft flew over the, flew over them. And then these several jets were flying, trying to keep up with it. And he identified the jets because he was obviously an air force officer and, um, And he said, look, I just want you to continue on this thing. You're not, a lot of people have seen stuff. And he said, I have, and, you know, and I mean, he had a distinguished career,

• 45:43Speaker 02

  but it just continues on and on and on. And it gets, you know, we get patted on the head and say, okay, you can have another hearing and then we do it. But, but until somebody in the White House says disclose, or somebody walks out of one of these labs with something and is, and shows it and puts it on YouTube before he's allowed to commit suicide. I think you're gonna, that's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of it because it will never, it's so deep, the layers of the onions or onion is so deep, you just keep peeling it off. And it's just a different person, a different story. You go over here and, and, and, you know, the naivety

• 46:25Speaker 02

  of Congress, you have members telling me, well, let's just get a, let's go over here and get a, you know, we'll get a tour of the, of where you think these things are. I say, dude, once we announce that, you know, the U-Haul vans are already been there and gone. You know, it's, it's not, it's not that way. It's not going to work that way. We're, Congress is not going to walk in there with all its magnificence and arrogance and find something.

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• 48:01Speaker 00

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• 48:25Speaker 05

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid and risked 350,000 Virginians healthcare to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the House Majority PAC dot com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 48:54Tucker Carlson?

  Be safe. If the public, the public is being lied to by the government, if there's a, you know, continuous, ongoing, publicly funded campaign to lie to the American public by its own government, that is justification for overthrowing the government. That's my opinion. They can't do that in a democracy because we own the government. They don't. And so that alone, leaving aside the reality of UAPs is, you know, it's enough for, and why is it so hard for somebody in authority, either in the White House or in congressional leadership to say, we want this information, we want it by the close of business today

• 49:36Tucker Carlson?

  or else you're fired or we're going to send soldiers in and get the information. I don't, why is that hard?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  I just don't think it's profitable for them. I think it's too much money.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  And it goes too deep. And you have a lot of soldiers, they're not literally soldier, but people just follow orders. And they think, and they said it's national security. They think it's national security.

• 49:59Tucker Carlson?

  So it sounds like you have no confidence that this stuff's gonna emerge.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  No, I'm zero confidence on this side of when I get when I leave this earth, I'll probably I'll know then, but.

• 50:11Tucker Carlson?

  You will instantly.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Instantly, but I don't I don't have any confidence in anybody in Washington currently. I have competence in Trump. I really do. I think if he's if we can talk to him seriously about this for a short amount of time, I think he'll just tell them to jam it. We're gonna do it.

• 50:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, we had, you know, the sightings last year over New Jersey, over the the whole mid mid east coast that the entire country saw and they're on video. And we were gonna find out what those were. And then it was like, nah, it's totally for we don't need to know what that like, what was that?

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Um, I I still think it was a it was part of Chinese influence. I think when they flew the balloon over, they they wanted to it was 50s or 60s technology. They didn't have anything. They weren't there. I mean, they got enough spies on the ground in every university and every think tank and every national lab, whatever they got them there. But they they wanted to see what our response was. They they saw our political response, which was zero, our military response, which was zero, and our press response. And the only thing was the people were outraged about it, you know, and they shot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach.

• 51:28Tucker Carlson?

  So you think the drones, the so called drones over New Jersey last fall were a Chinese operation?

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Something or something very similar, somebody experimenting to see what our response would be because, you know, you could you fly an airplane over the country and and somebody's gonna pick it up. But you fly a drone, like a small nukes, could have been a biological agent. And and I think now they know they could do that, or at least under Biden, they could. They can't do it under Trump.

• 51:56Tucker Carlson?

  So if that was the Chinese who did that, and the US government did nothing.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  And I think they had contractors here that that provided them with that. That's that's that's my theory.

• 52:09Tucker Carlson?

  What any idea as to why the US government want to keep that secret?

• 52:13Speaker 02

  No idea. Either then, the current administration doesn't know because the people that knew are gone.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  I just think the past administration was was smoke and mirrors. I mean, Joe Biden, if you ever had any conversations with him, I mean, it was clearly very clueless and it was very scary. If we'd have been in a position, whoever was calling his shots from the Obama administration, scared me a lot. And of course, they were the puppet masters, I feel like, under this, under Biden. And I felt like he and the people around him just ran amok. I mean, you saw with the

• 52:58Tucker Carlson?

  But why not? I don't understand, and I'm trying to keep my growing rage under control. Like, why not tell

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Well, I'm outraged.

• 53:04Tucker Carlson?

  Why not tell the public something true once in a while? Why the constant lying? Because if you're constantly lying, then then by definition, you're evil and you don't want to think that of your government, especially people you like in government. But like, why can't the public know anything ever? Do you have any theories?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Tradition.

• 53:21Tucker Carlson?

  Tradition. Okay.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  I just don't, the more and more I know about government, you know, I've been in this skiff before and I've walked out. And I remember one time I called my wife and I said, honey, go to the store and buy canned goods. We're, we're completely wide open. And she said, all right, sweetie. And

• 53:43Tucker Carlson?

  So what do we get for a trillion dollars a year to the US military? Do we get anything in return?

• 53:48Speaker 02

  We got some enhanced stock portfolios. And I'll give you a good, a great example. When Joe Biden gave our military, or, excuse me, our missile defense system, you know, I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine. I'm proud of that. It's not my dad gum war. I'm not sending my 18 year old daughter to a, a country that most members of Congress couldn't find on a dad gum globe. And so you have, we give them our, our missile defense system and then we have to replenish ours, which we should. We can't be left naked without any of that defense. And guess what? Some of those contractors we described get a, a multi, multi billion with a B dollar no bid contract. And who do you think has bought stock in that, in that company?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Members of Congress, two weeks prior to the president making that official notice. And um, and you see it time and time again. I mean, do you honestly believe members of Congress are making five and six? You've met some of these guys. I mean, they don't, they can't come in out of the rain, some of them. Yeah, I'm guilty of that as well. But yeah, a lot of really damaged. Return on their five and 600% return on their investment. And, and war is great for business. It's great for, it's great for the economy, but it's not good for, I don't think it's good for our souls.

• 55:05Tucker Carlson?

  Wouldn't, no, no, there's nothing worse. Killing people is not good. Um, I know that's a controversial statement. Um, but why is, why is it impossible is to ban stock trading for members of Congress?

• 55:16Speaker 02

  It's a great idea. Um, I have the bill to do it. And that's why, you know, we have a bipartisan group again, myself and Priya Paul, and I never get her name right. And, um, Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch of others, you know, we've got a, we've got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.

• 55:35Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Because too many members of Congress, I mean, we were told by leadership that, you know, these, these guys can't afford, can't afford to be here. You know what? If you can't afford to be in Congress and go get another dad gum job, more people have played professional baseball in the major leagues in the Benning United. It should be an honor.

• 55:54Tucker Carlson?

  The idea is they should be allowed to do insider trading, which is a felony, um, because

• 56:00Speaker 02

  All you gotta do is disclose it. And then if you don't disclose it, it's a slap on the wrist. And I, I make skateboards and, um, it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. I make them out of bamboo and banana fibers and crazy stuff. And it's a great.

• 56:14Tucker Carlson?

  Skateboards out of bamboo?

• 56:16Speaker 02

  I do.

• 56:16Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of congressmen do that?

• 56:18Speaker 02

  No, I'd say it. One does. I'm pretty safe in betting that. And I would say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. It's good. But, and I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard and, you know, and it gets views and, and people, I have people all over the country wanting to buy these things. So I'm a capitalist. I'm thinking, you know, I'd like to sell a few skateboards. I go to the ethics people. I take my. D C chief with me and she's very smart. My Knoxville chief is a lady. They're both incredibly smart ladies. So I take the D C lady with me and she's making notes. I mean, you know, I gotta get an attorney involved in this thing. I have to have a business plan. You want to do insider trading, be a member of Congress. You want to sell skateboards? You better get you a dad gum lawyer. And that's what I'm having to do right now. I mean, I'm building a business plan.

• 57:02Tucker Carlson?

  Leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money?

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they've both parties. I mean, it's one of those you talk about one of those issues that both parties agree on both party leadership does. And because they don't want to upset the apple cart. And and America, that would be such a great thing to show America. Hey, we're gonna try to do what's right for once.

• 57:22Tucker Carlson?

  They know how much America hates them?

• 57:25Speaker 02

  No, every one of them. Every I always remember in my hometown when they did away with insider trading. I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading. They did away with term limits, excuse me. And they were interviewing some of the office holders. I remember one office holder said, I just don't know if this county is going to exist without us. I don't see how they can go ahead. And I thought it was like I checked my calendars. This April fools. I thought it was a joke. I thought they were actually kidding. You know, I mean, that is the arrogance.

• 57:51Tucker Carlson?

  County do?

• 57:53Speaker 02

  We're still there.

• 57:54Tucker Carlson?

  Still there?

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Great bond rating.

• 57:56Tucker Carlson?

  Wasn't consumed by fire.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  I was no, no, Lord didn't come down and crush us like Sodom and Gomorrah. But you know. But anyway, they've they continuously thwart us. And now we've we've pushed them. Now, the head of the treasury says, you need to do it. Trump says to do it. And so Lona says, I'm bringing Burchett's bill to the floor. I'm gonna do a this, you know, discharge petition, and we're gonna bring it to the floor and get enough members to sign on. I don't know if we can or not, but we're gonna try. But here's the thing, Tucker. We'll pass a bill if we do, if if leadership shines on us. And we'll pass a bill. And then it'll be a tough bill. And then the Senate will pass one a little tougher on something we can't agree on. And

• 58:39Speaker 02

  then we'll say, look at those guys in the Senate, you know, they're 150 years old. They can't they're so crooked. And they'll say, look at us. We're a bunch of cretins, you know, we don't know what we're doing. And then it'll go away. And well, we tried. And that's just the game they're playing. That is the game they play with everything. Either that or it's a study committee. So many bills, and I was talking about that with the The staff, you know, they'll, they'll get you to do, oh, don't do this bill. Let's do a study bill and then come back next year with all this information. You know, Tucker, have you ever seen that last scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where they're going into that warehouse? You know, it just goes on and on. I'm pretty sure that's where all the study committee bills go to after they pass them. And you put in your local newspaper, oh, look at this great bill. Cause it has the same title, but it doesn't do anything.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  And then, um, and then, and then next year you don't pass anything. You have, you don't come back with anything because you've already so-called passed your, your, your lame bill. And, um, and that warehouse is full of all those reports. Cause I've never seen, I've never ever seen one of those reports after we passed those bills.

• 59:40Tucker Carlson?

  No, of course not. I just wonder though, I mean, the details of this are interesting, but I think the broad outline is already known by the whole public, which is this is fake. And these people are in it for reasons that have nothing to do with the public interest. And I

• 59:55Speaker 02

  You know, everybody wants to rail on Pelosi. She's not, if you go on the unusual whales website, she's not even in the top 10.

• 1:00:03Tucker Carlson?

  For insider trading.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  She's, I think she's number 11, but you know,

• 1:00:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I know some of the people on that list.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  I do too. I know every dad gum one of them. And there's a list of a hundred. And my wife always checks it every year. She said, honey, I said, I know, sweetie. I mean, um, my 12, my buddy, Tommy Siller manages my $12,000 portfolio. Everybody do like I do, put it in mutual fund. I pulled it out last, this was recently just pulled it out. So I could pay for my daughter's school, um, which is what I established it for in the first place. But it's, you know, and that's, and when this airs, I'm going to make a lot of enemies. And here's what's going to happen. I'm going to tell you without a doubt, maybe not since I'm going to tell you.

• 1:00:43Tucker Carlson?

  How can they be mad at you?

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Pointing out the obvious, somebody will come down and sit beside me, somebody in leadership or somebody I'm friends with in Congress and say, Hey man, some of the guys are really upset with you on this. I say, well, on what? And they say, on this, what you said on such and such. And I'll, I've said this before, I said, and this will be a, a chapter of my book, if I ever write it. And I said, but you know, it's the truth, right? And they go, oh yeah, we know it's the truth. We just wish you wouldn't say it anymore. And I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation.

• 1:01:13Tucker Carlson?

  But there's no shame. Like we've all done bad things.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  12% of the population votes Tucker. They, nobody, listen, it's a game. We need to start, people start needing to. Get their grandkids to educate them how to, how to get on the computer and, and read these bills that we're passing and look at the game we're playing with y'all. These 3,000 page spending bills that, you know, fund whatever you need for your lab or whatever. Then you read down and it's funding circumcisions in Madagascar. I mean, things like that, literally. Drag shows.

• 1:01:44Tucker Carlson?

  Or abortion.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Or abortion, which is abhorrent. And so, uh, you know, it's just a, it's just a game and it's a, and America needs to start paying attention and Congress members of Congress, look, people, they always say we need more people to vote, but as long as they're winning, that's what leadership's about in either party is staying in power. It's having the suburban, it's being three deep with security, it's never standing in line at a, at the movie theater or going to a ballgame or a concert. You know, it becomes self-preservation.

• 1:02:17Tucker Carlson?

  I remember when January 6th happened and I was shocked, I was completely shocked by it and, um.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  I was the last house member to leave the floor on January 6th.

• 1:02:26Tucker Carlson?

  Good for you. And I was like, wow, this is, I hate vandalism, whatever. Now I look back and I'm like, I understand exactly why they did that. I'm not mad about it at all. I think that Congress should have taken notice that people are really, really mad at Congress. And instead they just ignored it and like, no, everyone who did it is a, is a Nazi and we need more security. Really? That's your takeaway? You need more security? Maybe you need to act in a way that people respect so the country doesn't hate you because you're supposed to be representing the country.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  And the hundred plus federal agents that were intertwined.

• 1:03:01Tucker Carlson?

  The whole thing was fake, obviously. I was, yeah, I don't want to get into it. Yes, no, I spent a lot of time fighting about this at Fox News when they, you know, people resigned when I said, I think this was like a setup. Oh, I can't work with a Nazi. It turned out to be true. Um, but.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Again, it's a, it's how many years later and nobody cares.

• 1:03:24Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody cares. So it's not, I'm sorry to make it about me. I didn't mean to do that. It's just, I'm mad about the topic, but the point is.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  It's your show, brother.

• 1:03:30Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, it, it, no, but it's just, it's about the Congress and I think you need a legislative body, not against the Congress in theory. What I'm worried about, here's the point that I'm attempting to make in a long-winded way, which is. If you don't pay any attention at all to how people feel about you when your job is to represent those people, that system can continue. And you, you're going to get a January 6th, but for real at some point, if you keep acting this way.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  It will be an armed situation.

• 1:03:58Tucker Carlson?

  Like actually, actually, and a lot of people will applaud it. I'm not rooting for that at all. I'm just saying that's gonna happen. Do members of Congress get this? Do they understand how hated they are? Do they care?

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  I think there's an arrogance associated with being in Congress. I think it's a complete arrogance. I always remember one time I was at a UT football game when I was in the legislature and a former member, or well, they're all, they're all dead. Most of the people I served with, a lot of them are, pulled up, parked illegally, got out of their car and just come strutting across the parking lot. And my buddy said, you know, who the heck is that? And I said, he's a pretty big deal in Nashville. He said, tell him he ain't in Nashville. He's in Knoxville. And I, you know, and I've always remembered that because of, now, I guess a judge who was telling me that, my best friend, but he, it was just

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  a, you know, a wake up moment that I realized early on that, that everybody has got this fiefdom type mentality. And it's, who can represent better than me? Nobody. And I can tell you right now, there's probably 200,000 people in my district that could probably do a better job than I am. I'm just hard headed enough to stick my head out.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, people don't want it because it's frustrating.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they see the security issues now, too.

• 1:05:16Tucker Carlson?

  Is there ever a moment in, you know, like at lunch with your colleagues where somebody says, man, have you looked at the numbers? People really hate us. This is a problem.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  I usually don't eat lunch with my colleagues, so.

• 1:05:27Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, but I mean.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  I have a few close friends in Congress.

• 1:05:30Tucker Carlson?

  During the course of a day at work in the US Congress where you do work, does anyone ever note that like, we're more unpopular than like chlamydia? And that's not good.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  No. Yeah, I'd say we're, I'd say chlamydia outranks us.

• 1:05:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, definitely. Chlamydia has its defenders.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  No one defends Congress.

• 1:05:52Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  No, but yeah, there's a bunch of us. I mean, we, we see what's going on. We just shake our head, but it's a lot of frustration though, Tucker. You know, we're in a minority. You look at. Spending bills and then look at the opinion polls on things like Ukraine, other things, then you look at the board and you're wondering, where are we at?

• 1:06:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  What's going on? And, um, you know, and for guys like me, though, it gets incredibly tough because,

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  you know, the big boys start calling and the, the bank account dries up pretty quick. It's hard to raise money. For somebody like me, it is incredibly tough to raise money. A lot of, most of my contributions are just hard work and God fearing people. They'll send me $10 in a Bible verse, you know, and I don't, um, the billionaires usually are for me the day after the election.

• 1:06:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I noticed. And they're out in force against a couple of your colleagues.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:43Tucker Carlson?

  Said things that are totally consistent with what the public wants.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:47Tucker Carlson?

  And, and but the billionaires don't want it.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  They don't want it and they, and they control a lot of the media and, um, but fortunately now for the internet, we can.

• 1:06:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  People like you and I can bypass that.

• 1:06:58Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I'm grateful every day. Can I ask, so you're, um, you represent Eastern Tennessee.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:05Tucker Carlson?

  Which is a much more conservative than say the Memphis area or even the.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Actually, I did one point better than President Trump, but if he were here today, I'd say that was in fact an error and that you carried me over the finish line, Mr. President.

• 1:07:17Tucker Carlson?

  I think you would have to say that, yes, for sure. Um, but so your threat is not in the general election. Like it's, it's an R plus whatever.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's primary, but it's just.

• 1:07:29Tucker Carlson?

  Be a primary.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Right, but they could drop big money in and the dark money and.

• 1:07:33Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so that's a, a member like you is vulnerable in the primary.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  And someday I'd like, maybe if I had the opportunity to get to the US senate, I wouldn't mind doing that, but that would be Katy bar the door. They'd pour the money in all over the country to beat me, so.

• 1:07:45Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:07:47Tucker Carlson?

  But you're even seeing with a couple of your colleagues are getting primaried, um, by billionaires because they've said things that are, you know, true, but not acceptable, I guess. Are you worried about being primaried?

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's only two ways to run, scared and unopposed. And I, I'm, I'm a product of the primary. The first race I won, I, I beat an incumbent in a state house race, 99 house races that year, I was the only person to beat an incumbent. And then, um, I won with just two and three quarters percentage points ahead. I knocked on over 6,000 doors. I'd, I'd been run out of town or run out of business by the government and, um, It was a great lesson, but I did knocked on over 6,000 doors and I think I raised, I think I raised around eight or $9,000. I can't remember. And I thought, how am I gonna spend all this dad gum money? You know, every morning I'd wake up, my mom and daddy, of course, were living then. And I would throw up because I had this horrible taste of peppermint in

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  my mouth. And the reason I had peppermint, because I licked all my stamps. That's back in the day, you had to lick stamps.

• 1:08:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  And I remember one morning I woke up and I was rolled up in them. I was like in a cocoon of stamps. But, you know, I wake up every morning, I'd throw up and mama would make me a turkey sandwich on white bread and give me a Sprite and I'd get right back and knock on doors.

• 1:09:03Tucker Carlson?

  For breakfast?

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's all I could hold down. And I'd get out and knock on doors all day long. And, you know, I lost over 20 pounds, got bit by a dog, took off my shirt, I looked like a target. I just red on the rings and white in the belly, you know, and, and, and so, but it was, I learned, wore out a pair of New Balance shoes. And the only shoes at the time that were made in America. So I'm kind of big on that. And so we won and spent four years in the house. And then I'd just come off of a business deal. I had a mulch business, had a composting business. And I'm, I'm a capitalist, but I can remember, you remember that scene in The Godfather, right before he dies, the original Godfather, and he's spraying that on the, on the tomatoes and the little grandbabies running around

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  him. My daddy had one of those sprayers. I remember he grew these tomatoes. And at the time, I remember, I think he spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer. And we got like three of these gnarly tomatoes. Of course, this is in the seventies and we're family of public educators. So 20 bucks is righteous bucks. I said, Daddy, I'd like to try that. I want to try organic gardening. And he said, all right, you go ahead. And at the time, KUB used to come by the house and a chipper truck. And they'd pick up all your brush, you know, throw them in the back of one of those big chippers and it'd spit it in the back of the truck. And I said, what do y'all do with that stuff? We take it to the landfill. And I said, really? How much they pay you for it? And they said, they don't. We pay them to take it. This was in 1978. I was in the eighth grade. And so the wheels started

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  turning. I was like, man, that's a business idea. I said, dump that stuff here. So they dumped it and I composted it. And I had a crazy, incredible garden. Squash, beans, strawberries, tomatoes, of course. And I fed the church, the neighborhood, everybody come by the house. Friends, enemies, I give them a sack of tomatoes. Well, fast forward, I went to college, six years of undergraduate studies, the University of Tennessee. I thoroughly enjoyed my college career, six years of studies. I didn't drink or smoke pot, and it still took me six years. That's pretty good. Ended up agreeing to technological adult education. I was certified to teach shop, took a few art classes, and apparently I got an art certification, I think, on my certificate,

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  I believe. But anyway, so I can weld and fix motors, and I can burn your house down if you need it wired. I can't do that very well. But all the other machine shop stuff, I can do that, or I could at the time. So I came up with this idea, taking all the city's yard waste. And I presented it to then the city mayor, and I said, what are y'all doing with it? And I said, we take it to the landfill. And they could pay me a reduced fee of what they take it to the landfill. I would grind it and then sell it. Well, we had a blizzard that year. So we did about, seems like we did 30,000 tons that first year. And they paid me around, it was under 20, but just say $20 a ton. So I was like, $600,000. And

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  this was in 91 or 92. I'd been out of college for a little while, worked in the business world. And I, I literally, I would have been a million, I became very wealthy. But I had to grind it. So it cost me about a half a million dollars. So I was still clearing $100,000, living at home with my family, who's a public educator. So $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks. But then I sold it. I sold it for, for, I think it was $20 a pickup truckload. So I was selling between, I would sell four to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month. So, I mean, I was raking it in. It was all cash. And I reported everything.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  I had accountants that made sure that I was crazy honest. I gave half of it away to churches and schools. Well, somebody decided they wanted that business, when I think ended up happening. And they accused me of taking toxic waste. They said, there's bacteria in that newspaper article. There's bacteria in his mulch. Well, human body contains a half a pound of. A quarter pound of bacteria. I mean, it aids in digestion. If the earth didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube. I mean, we just press it. You know, nothing would. So, Smoky Mountains, there's not, in these parks out here, there's nobody running around in a white suit collecting every leaf, you know, and putting it. So, God had a plan, and bacteria is part of it. Well, of course, it had bacteria in it. And they would test it, and they did a faulty

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  test. And finally, it just got ridiculous. The EPA even came in. And oddly enough, the day after they closed my business, I got the EPA report, and it cleared me. It said, in fact, there is bacteria in there, but there's not abnormal amounts. There's nothing. And the head of UT's microbiology department, I'll never forget this, Tucker, he ate my mulch on the news to prove that this was just bogus. This is crazy. And the state would come in and shut me down. They'd get some report.

• 1:13:47Tucker Carlson?

  How was it?

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:13:48Tucker Carlson?

  How was the mulch?

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  Delicious. Delicious. Tastes a lot like chicken.

• 1:13:52Tucker Carlson?

  I bet.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  So, anyway, I end up losing that business. I remember my dad told me, he said, put an American flag on top of that mulch pile. And I did. And he said, this thing's bigger than that. Daddy's World War II veteran, nothing. He's calm under fire. Man, him and Mama both were wonderful people. Mama flew an airplane during the Second World War, Depression era, didn't have electricity. She's senior in high school. They were tough people, and they didn't like what they were doing to me. And apparently, the public didn't either. Because I knocked on, I said, I knocked on over 6,000 doors and beat a respected incumbent, I guess, in the primary. And I never looked back. And then I became, I was in the State House for four years, State Senate for 12 years. And that's sort of been my thing, even

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  with the UFOs. My thing is, when people come to me, because you can hire a lobbyist, you can hire a lawyer, but the average working guy, they call the, they call the front desk and they ask, can I speak to Tim? Because they think they know me. Because they're, you know, the government's ripped them off. And I always remember during that time, It was when, um, do you remember Travelgate under the Clinton administration?

• 1:14:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  And it seems like, I think Hillary and Bill, they, they, if I remember correctly, they, these people that were running the travel operation at the White House and Congress, they ran them out of business. They-

• 1:15:09Tucker Carlson?

  So put their friends in there.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  So they could put their friends in there. And those people traveled the country because I remember they had a half a million dollars, or they had 300,000 in legal expenses. I had more than that in the most business. I mean, they were threatening felony. They were gonna throw me in the federal penitentiary over this thing. And cause I wouldn't give up. And they had, and I remember the University of Tennessee, this liberal professor gave his kids extra credit if they would come picket me. And they came down there and they brought the neighbors, they brought neighborhood people down there and they had misspelled words in their signs, you know, and they parked their BMWs around the class, around the side. And they could come picket me to look like they were just, and they all dressed down. It was the most pathetic thing. And the, and I remember the, uh, the person at the city

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  that was really orchestrating it all against me was, um, I remember seeing them hug the reporter that was writing all the nasty articles about me. And I just, you know, the whole thing was just, and, and I saw, I see Americans getting run down the road. And I think that's why people like me appeal. There's not a lot of folks like me, obviously in Congress, but folks like me appeal to people because they've been run over and they know they can call me. And I can, and I'm not judgmental. I just say, I don't care if they vote for me or not. I have people that are convicted felons. People have killed people before and I've helped them out. And, cause I don't care. Cause I see the system. It ran over me and I was just some white, middle-class kid from West Knoxville and the system ran me over.

• 1:16:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, speaking of someone, I've got two questions before I forget. One, have you ever been threatened since you've been in the US Congress with a primary challenge by your own party? Has anyone in your own party said, knock it off or we'll, we'll fund a challenger?

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  They flew, from what I understand, a couple of people were flown to DC. I know one apparently was, and I think the other one was, and they either called me or called somebody else and said, you know, Tim's, Tim's a good-

• 1:17:04Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  Cause I rocked the boat. I'm not-

• 1:17:07Tucker Carlson?

  In what way?

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  Question leadership, I don't, I call them out. I can remember one time.

• 1:17:13Tucker Carlson?

  Was it the UAPs, do you think?

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  No, I mean, they use that. They think they can use that against me. It's other things. It's much deeper than that. I can remember when I went in conference, we were at the Capitol Hill Club, and they meet over there legally so we can talk about fundraising. And then when we're in the Capitol, have our conference meeting, talk strict politics. And I asked the head of the committee that was carrying the bill, I said, ma'am, I said, how much money is in this bill? And she said, I don't know. And I said, no, I mean, the bill that you're talking about right now, the one that we're getting ready to spend all this money on, how much is in it? And she said, I don't know. And leadership said, man, you can't, what are you doing? What are you doing? I was like, what do you mean, what am I doing?

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  I come from Tennessee. We run a balanced budget in Tennessee. It's a crazy concept. We have zero debt. That's why everybody's clamoring.

• 1:18:04Tucker Carlson?

  Leadership didn't want you to ask how much money?

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  It just made everybody uncomfortable, I guess. I don't know. But it's things like that. I get it. I get it. I ask questions, you know, that it just, it's just part of the system. They beat you down, they beat you down, and then you see them. And then, you know, next thing, it's like, that's like in Cool Hand Luke, where, where Paul Newman is, he comes back, they beat him down and beat him down, and he's, he becomes, you know, the, the warden's boy. But then, in really reality, it was all an act, and he ends up stealing a truck and getting killed. But I don't plan on stealing a truck, and I don't plan on getting killed. I'm not suicidal.

• 1:18:44Tucker Carlson?

  Congress won't continue to exist if they keep acting like this. I mean,

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  This country will not continue to exist. If we don't get our financial ship in order, we will sink. And it is, we're 36 trillion in debt, nobody cares. All they care about is getting to that next election. That's bottom line, leadership, anybody else. These people are all my friends. I'm not making any friends doing this show.

• 1:19:09Tucker Carlson?

  But the reformers, I notice, people who have a different view or say things like you're saying, so Massey, above all, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you, I'm not saying you guys agree on everything. I don't think you do.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  But we're all very close friends.

• 1:19:25Tucker Carlson?

  But you have a similar orientation, which is like actually pro-America. Is this good for the country or is it not? And all three of you are either dismissed as crazy or really, really hated. In the case of Massey, it's like, you know, he's, he's the target of like a very serious attack.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  Oh, they're gonna spend, they'll spend, they'll drive his money up and spend millions against him.

• 1:19:53Tucker Carlson?

  Is he gonna win, do you think?

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't have any idea. I don't, I haven't looked at the numbers. I don't, I don't pay much attention to polls. It's election night. If it's close, then I question those.

• 1:20:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you have every reason to. You said earlier in our conversation that members of Congress were compromised. What did you mean by that?

• 1:20:13Speaker 02

  Well, I was on, can I, can I name a rival of yours? Maybe, I don't know.

• 1:20:18Tucker Carlson?

  I don't want you to name anything that comes to mind.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Okay, I was on the Benny Show, and it was early on, and Benny and I had become friends. I didn't realize he was so close to Charlie, Charlie Kirk, but he, he had me on early on, and I, and I didn't, honestly, I didn't know who he was. And he asked me about that. And I said, well, I said, here's the way it works. It's the way it's worked in the past. The Russians even have a name for, you know, the honeypot. You, and I don't go on overseas trips much. I've been to one trip, and that was prior, I've been on one Codel, that's, I went to the Mexican border, and I went down one day with Andy Biggs, who's no, who's a good Mormon, who's hopefully maybe be the governor of Arizona. But he,

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  he said, Bert, we're going on this trip. I know you don't go on these things, but it's just, it's, it's just, it's one like you'd like. We'll go down there and back, we'll stay at an awful motel, we'll eat some cheap Mexican food, some barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane back to Tennessee. And I said, all right, Andy, I'll do it. And.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  But you know, that's about it that I've done. And so what happens is you're, you're, you're overseas. You're being told how great you are. You're sitting at a bar and somebody, and they know what you're into guys, gals, combination thereof, drugs, whatever. And they'll hook you up and you're thinking you're the stud. You're the, you're, you know, your wife's away. Nobody will know halfway around the world. You end up sleeping with somebody and then, you know, you're out. Next day you're flying back to America, you know, you're, you're back front row at the church. You know? And then you're getting ready to make a key vote. And somebody comes up and whispers in your ear, hey, man, were you in a motel room with a girl

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  in, you know, Istanbul or something? And you think, oh, crap. He goes, man, we don't want that out. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, we don't, we're not going to put that out. He said, if you can help us on this little bill though, you know? Now that's the way they used to do it. And I'm not so certain they don't do that now. And it's funny, when I did that show with Benny, the next, and oh, I caught hell. I caught hell.

• 1:22:27Tucker Carlson?

  You said that?

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  I said that. And members said, oh, you can't be saying that stuff, Burchett.

• 1:22:31Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Truth hurts, I guess, for some people and other people.

• 1:22:35Tucker Carlson?

  Have you ever, by the way, just parenthetically, ever been attacked for saying something false? Or only true things?

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Only true things. Only true things. So I'm, it's funny, the next week, Tucker, there was this huge, and I said, it always gets covered up and everything gets covered up. And then somebody owns you. That's compromised. That'll be the title of my book, if I ever write a book, Tim Burchett's Compromised Washington. Because that's what happens, or it has happened in the past. The very next week, a Chinese prostitution ring was busted. And where? Washington DC. And who are the, and it was listed in the paper. Who is their client list? High ranking officials in government, elected officials and lobbyists. Now.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  To me, that that's all kinds of red flags going up all over the place. Well, and then the next week, the story disappeared.

• 1:23:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  Of course it did. But I think what they do now mostly is they have jobs. If you look at these guys and gals, and you know, they're they have a wife and or girlfriend that'll work in one of these industries. I mean, $100,000 to a multi-billion dollar corporations, nothing. I mean, it's it's an extra supply of paper clips or something. I think that's how they do it now. You have them in in political offices, you have them in business offices, you have them all over. And

• 1:24:03Tucker Carlson?

  You have what?

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  They're employed. And so they own your ass.

• 1:24:07Tucker Carlson?

  Ah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  See, they're employed by these people. I'm sorry.

• 1:24:10Tucker Carlson?

  Get my wife a job, get my girl a job.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Get them both a job, you know, and keep them separate. And, you know, I know of I mean, it's it's just it's just common. I mean, I hear about it all the time. I hear about

• 1:24:22Tucker Carlson?

  Very common.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  I hear, I mean, it's, I mean, they just talk, oh, she she works over at defense, she works over at justice, she works for this case, or he does, or somebody does, or they work back in the district for such and such. I mean, it's just human nature.

• 1:24:36Tucker Carlson?

  People that members of Congress are sleeping with, either legally or not, are employed by forces that want to control members of Congress?

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  That's what they used to do. And now, I'm pretty sure, you know, I knew of instances where that happened when I was in the legislature. And now, they do it with through the employment agencies.

• 1:25:00Tucker Carlson?

  Through employment agencies.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  I mean, just, I mean, they employ them, is what I'm saying.

• 1:25:04Tucker Carlson?

  They employ them. Yeah. No, I mean, I I know a bunch of members of Congress. I can right off the top of my head, I can think of with spouses in this or that.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  And they might be incredibly qualified, but the reality is, America's not buying that. Nobody should. But again, 12% of the population votes, this is what you get.

• 1:25:25Tucker Carlson?

  I have noticed, just having spent my life in DC, that people's personal lives are getting weirder in the Congress. Have you noticed that? Without without implicating anyone by name, I don't think I'm imagining this. It's not just sleeping with your scheduler, it's weirder than that now. Have you noticed that?

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  I try to stay in my office as much as possible.

• 1:25:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I just want to say for the record, I never heard of anybody participating in an orgy in Washington DC in my entire life. And I've heard a lot about it recently. So that is, I wasn't there. I'm not going there, but I think that's real. So.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  I've never been, I don't know if it is or isn't. I'd like, I'd hope that it isn't. And I'd like to think that it isn't, but I've never been invited. So.

• 1:26:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  When I was at the state legislature, we used to talk about that, how we knew some people were pretty shady. And, um, but you know, they never, they would never come to somebody like me and offer me anything because they knew my background.

• 1:26:17Tucker Carlson?

  No, and they know you're making skateboards in your garage. So you're busy.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Um, in my barn.

• 1:26:21Tucker Carlson?

  Your barn. So, um, one of the members of Congress who all of us were encouraged to think was weird and to hate. He was almost like a ritual sacrifice for the sins of the, of the entire body, I felt, was this guy, George Santos. George Santos was not even a full term congressman from New York, who was, uh, you know, like a serial fabricator, made up all these kind of amazing stories about his life and he played on competitive volleyball, worked at Goldman Sachs and it was all kind of, it was all fake. He was, he was both Jewish and something else. I can't remember. Anyway, it was all made up. Um.

• 1:26:59Tucker Carlson?

  He wound up.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  We always say Jew-ish. I heard Schumer say that.

• 1:27:04Tucker Carlson?

  I was amused by the whole thing. Maybe.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  I was too. I just thought, who, who is Congress to state in judgment?

• 1:27:10Tucker Carlson?

  But I don't, well, that's it. But I don't remember George Santos ever advocating for like killing innocent people, which is like very common.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  George Santos had one of the most conservative voting records in Congress, across the board, conservative. I mean, sometimes I'd look up there and think, damn George, that's a, that's a little harsh for me, you know? He'd vote against something that was.

• 1:27:29Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  And I'd say, it costs $5 budget, we're broke. And I go, all right, G, you're good. I'm good with it, you know?

• 1:27:35Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:37Tucker Carlson?

  So, um. George Santos wound up in prison and I spoke to someone this morning who's close to George Santos who visited him in prison this weekend.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:47Tucker Carlson?

  And told me that he saw George Santos shackled in chains and he's been in solitary since he got to prison. He did an interview.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  He's doing time in a federal lockup too.

• 1:27:58Tucker Carlson?

  In a federal lockup in solitary confinement.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  24 hours a day. He's 24. He gets out, I think, one hour to maybe eat and take a bath.

• 1:28:05Tucker Carlson?

  What is going on? How did George Santos wind up in prison for like seven years and now he's in solitary?

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  What's Pete Diddy doing for? Maybe?

• 1:28:16Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know actual criminals who were like celebrated on the front page of the newspaper. So I know a lot of them. So whatever, not, I don't want to lecture about the deep unfairness of life, but like, what is that? Why?

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  I think he was a sacrificial lamb and I think our party and everybody else just kicked him to the curb and said, look how righteous we are. And I just don't, you know, he'd always sit with me on Sinner's Row. That's what I call it. Every time somebody would get in trouble, they would, or perceived to be in trouble. Cause I'm not, you know, I, I've said this before and I'll, I mean, I'll say it publicly. George is under a heck of a lot of pressure and I call myself a Christian and if I sat there and watched him kill himself over something and he went to hell, I'd have that on my soul and I just don't want that. And, um, and you know, my chief of staff called me one day and said, holler, hey boss.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  I said, he goes, I know what you're gonna say. And I go, what is it? And he said, nobody wants to take George as their mentor. Would you be his mentor? I said, sure. Sign him up. And he just shook his head and he said, said, yeah, he'll do it. And then, um, and George and I just became fast friends. You know, his, his office was catty cornered to mine and, and the press would be just lined up down the hall and I would, some kid would walk by, close in stature down the other. I'd go, hey, there's George Santos. And they'd all run down there and, and chase him and I'd have fun with that. And then, um, George would come in the office and I would talk to him about that and I'd talk to him about my faith, but, and you know, I just said, this ain't, this is not reality, George. Don't.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  And he's, I'd say, promise me if you think you're gonna take your life, you'd call me anytime, night or day. And he said, I will, Tim, don't worry. And he never did, you know, but he'd call me from time to time and

• 1:30:06Tucker Carlson?

  But who is, like, how did he wind up in prison?

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  That's just, to me, I just don't understand that. We just turned our back on him and, and

• 1:30:13Tucker Carlson?

  The Republican Party leadership did.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. They don't want anywhere near it. We have to, you know, I guess

• 1:30:19Tucker Carlson?

  Like, he's creepier than they are? Sorry. That's not true.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  Well, no.

• 1:30:23Tucker Carlson?

  That's, so I'm just, you don't have to say that. You work there, but they're, they are way creepier than George Santos, fact.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  George is a very interesting guy. And yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff, but he's literally doing more time than, than P. Diddy, or what it combs, or whatever his name is.

• 1:30:37Tucker Carlson?

  In solitary confinement?

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  Solitary confinement. And generally solitary is where they put the violent people, the people that have committed heinous crimes. And I hear people say, good, good. I hope they lock him up for the rest of his life.

• 1:30:48Tucker Carlson?

  Have you heard someone say that about George Santos?

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I've heard it.

• 1:30:51Tucker Carlson?

  Where?

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  In Congress. I've heard him talk about it and how bad it made it look for us. I was like, for us? I said, have you not read the papers? We do a pretty good job of making it look bad.

• 1:31:02Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think George Santos started the Ukraine war. I mean, what?

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  No. We just, I don't know. I think, again, we're a little big on ourselves sometimes.

• 1:31:11Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, it does, he's clearly being punished. He clearly has powerful enemies. I'm not sure who they are. But, or maybe, I don't understand the whole thing, but how this person called me this morning to say, can you save George Santos? I mean, I said, I'm a podcaster. I can't save anybody, but I, I don't know. This, this is like, this is truly wrong, what's happening to George Santos.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Is completely wrong. Uh, yeah, he, he committed, I guess he, he took money he shouldn't have, but

• 1:31:42Tucker Carlson?

  It was a campaign finance violation.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, a campaign finance violation. Correct.

• 1:31:47Tucker Carlson?

  Right. The whole category is

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  And, and, you know, they, they stacked so much up against him. I think the amount of time he was gonna do was just incredible if he'd have stacked them on top of each other.

• 1:31:58Tucker Carlson?

  But then to torture him once he gets to prison.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  I think is

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  If he, if he, if he lives through it all, he's gonna, he's gonna have one heck of a story to tell.

• 1:32:10Tucker Carlson?

  You don't want to live in a country that does that to people, I don't think. I mean, so only Trump can save him, is that kind of where we are, do you think?

• 1:32:17Speaker 02

  I think so, I think so, and they can commute, you know, they did these reality TV show people that he didn't even know. We happen to know George, you know, give him community service, home lockup or whatever, but I just think it's a waste of taxpayers' money and it's a waste, it's just, it just doesn't seem right. I just don't, unless everybody else is gonna go to jail for a longer amount of time for the crimes they committed.

• 1:32:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, I remember very well Bill Jefferson, I mean, I've just watched a lot of different scandals in the Congress, almost all Democrats, and the Democratic Party stood behind those people till sentencing.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:56Tucker Carlson?

  The leadership.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  You remember they all walked out of Congress when Clinton was, and they, you know,

• 1:33:01Tucker Carlson?

  I was there that day. Um, yes, 1998, I'll never forget it. So, um, the Republican leadership with Marjorie, Taylor Greene, with Massey now, and with Santos, just like immediately, we've never heard of the guy and we hope he dies in prison. Like, what is that? Why can't the Republican Party have leadership that stands by its people and stands by its voters? Is that too much to ask?

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  I think we read our opinion polls too much and not our souls.

• 1:33:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, what's your sacred duty? It's to represent the people who elected you, that's the whole purpose of being there.

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  I always thought too, our anger, if we had to be angry at anybody, it should have been the Democrats who did the opposition resource, I mean, you know, opposition research on, on George. I mean, you could have Googled and found out that stuff, you could have called the school and said, hey, is he in school here? Or whatever.

• 1:33:57Tucker Carlson?

  Lying on your, I mean, the guy's like an epic bullshit artist, I get it. I mean, I know, you know, I'm not defending lying.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Is that federal, was that a federal crime?

• 1:34:05Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you just spent an hour telling me how they're lying about UFOs, which is a pretty serious thing to lie about. They're shutting down military bases because they can't, you know, because they don't control the airspace.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 1:34:16Tucker Carlson?

  So that's very serious. They're lying about the Kennedy assassination. They lied about September.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, the funny thing about Kennedy, we had him in on our committee, lunatic chairs in this oversight subcommittee. And we had a doctor in there who was in the emergency room with Kennedy. And he said, there was clearly an entry wound, an exit wound, and an entry wound and an exit wound going the opposite direction.

• 1:34:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  And, you know, one bullet, supposed to that magic bullet.

• 1:34:46Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Did that.

• 1:34:47Tucker Carlson?

  Shot John Conley and the president simultaneously. Well, those files have not been fully released, as you know.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  No, no, and they never will be. They never will be. And it's just power, control, and, and, and these, and the CIA or whoever would have to admit that they were wrong. They'd have to admit that they were wrong. And the arrogance is just, I think, once you take the oath, you, you get an oath of arrogance, that you got to protect us, our, our past, and we'll protect you kind of thing in the future. And I just think that carries on with them all. And they, for whatever reason.

• 1:35:20Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. But George Santos pretending to be a high level volleyball player is the real crime.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  That is the crime of the century.

• 1:35:27Tucker Carlson?

  He said he worked at Goldman Sachs. Kill him. Okay. Just put, just to put deception in perspective here, because I think they're, you know, not all lies are the same.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:35:36Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, final question, since you, more than any member of Congress, have thought about this, as candidly as you can answer, what do you think, based on what you've heard, UFOs are, actually?

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  I think, again, God created the heavens and the earth. And every night I go out with my dogs, usually at four o'clock in the morning. They go to the bathroom and look at those stars.

• 1:36:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  And I see the light from those stars. And it's hard for my very small brain to comprehend this. A light from those stars left there before the time of Christ. And some of those stars don't even exist that we're looking at today.

• 1:36:15Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:36:16Speaker 02

  And which is hard for me to fathom, or as the good old boys would say, hard for me to fathom. But I...

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  I think there's something else out there. I do not think we are the best that God can do. Now, is there something here as this, you know, proposed to me with these deep sea areas? I don't know. Has something been here? But the, um, the way for me to comprehend anything traveling light years. I mean, it's just beyond belief. That is beyond belief. But now there's this quantum. I've been explaining quantum physics and I really don't understand it. How something can be here and instantaneously be here simultaneously, almost simultaneously. And that, that to me begs the question of how does that fit into all this?

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  And if something's here in these deep sea areas, has it been here for,

• 1:37:13Speaker 02

  you know, thousands of years? And that's the other question. That's what, you know, these folks in the Navy kinda, and I have to be real careful.

• 1:37:20Tucker Carlson?

  With the folks in the Navy, what?

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  That, that I've talked to about this undersea type.

• 1:37:25Tucker Carlson?

  And what have they said?

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  They said, we don't know what's down there. And they said, there's, we think there's a reason that they're over these deep sea areas that we cannot get to.

• 1:37:37Tucker Carlson?

  And their belief is whatever these things are.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  They've been here and, and obviously if there was, if they meant harm to us, we, I mean, we're doing a pretty good job of harming ourselves. Let's look at our political structure. But the, the truth is, is that we just don't know, and I don't know. My, my thoughts are kind of evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest with you, because I, I get to the point sometimes where I'm kind of beat down. I think, oh, this is crazy. There can't be. But how many of these people got to come forward to me that I, that I know and respect? Uh, have tell, tell me what they've seen and there's no, no explanation for it. And so I, I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till.

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  I'm in heaven. I mean, I know that sounds, that sounds weird and

• 1:38:27Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't sound weird at all. It sounds entirely true. And that's true for a lot of things, including understanding people's motivations, including your own motivations. Like, we don't understand anything. I mean, of course.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  We don't. I mean, it's every, you know, and, and science can't get out of its own way. Every time they find something new, you know, it's, um, like the sea lycanth, for instance, it was a, a, a lobe, fin fish caught off the coast of Madagascar, I believe it was, and is supposed to have been extinct 50 million years ago. But all of a sudden it's here. And then they, well, you know, there was this, but they can't explain it. And I, again, go back to that Bible verse, those professing themselves to be wise became fools. And I, I think it's, I was on a, a show the other day with, uh, a guy named Loeb, he's a UFO guy. He's, um, yeah, I think he's at Harvard, I believe. Anyway, he, um, he was talking

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  about how science, what he likes about science is that it's, that is, it's, it's changing and it's in how it, but a lot of scientists, it's like, you know, this is a brick wall. This is the way it is. It's not going to change. And I think with the UFOs, that's kind of the situation we're in. Um, I just tell you, I've talked to too many people that have just sworn to me what they've seen and, um, and some that I can't disclose, disclose, but, and I would hope that eventually that those people are able to come forward.

• 1:39:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. And in general, the people will start telling the truth. It's, it's an act of liberation when you do. Congressman Timberlake, I appreciate your coming on. Thank you.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker.

• 1:40:09Tucker Carlson?

  We've got a new website we hope you will visit. It's called newcommissionnow.com and it refers to a new 9/11 commission. So we spent months putting together our 9/11 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew.

• 1:40:31Speaker 06

  The American public deserves to know.

• 1:40:33Tucker Carlson?

  We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror.

• 1:40:45Tucker Carlson?

  to go to the United States of America. A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, "to document the event." I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9/11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9/11 attacks because they knew they were coming. Who did that? You have to look at the evidence. The US government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.

• 1:41:27Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not, the public deserves to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time, oh, I was no one ever punished for it? 9/11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true, and it's outrageous. This country needs a new 9/11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth and tries to get to the bottom of the story. We can't just move on like nothing happened. 9/11 Commission is a cover. Something did happen. We need to force a new investigation into 9/11 almost 25 years later.

• 1:42:11Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, justice demands it. And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition. We're not getting paid for this, we're doing this because we really mean it. Newcommissionnow.com.