‘Apollo 13’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Rob Mahoney

If they could get a washing machine to fly, Bill, Amanda, and Rob could record a pod about it. We head to Houston to rewatch Ron Howard’s ‘Apollo 13,’ starring Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, and Kevin Bacon. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocamp, and Matt Pevic LIONSGATE’S MUTINY, STARRING JASON STATHAM, ONLY IN THEATERS AUGUST 21 Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at https://ChatGPT.com by selecting Work mode. Available on Plus and Pro plans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:05Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the big picture with Amanda Dobbins.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 0:11Bill Simmons?

  A rare Rewatchables appearance.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  I'm thrilled. I can't believe it's finally happening.

• 0:15Bill Simmons?

  You're back in the rotation. Rob Mahoney, Ringer NBA Show, more importantly, Prestige.

• 0:20Speaker 02

  More important. I think they're equally important.

• 0:22Bill Simmons?

  No, I think Joanna, like if it was a good son thing, you would, you would save Joanna over, over Kyle and Justin.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  I have no official comment, but yes.

• 0:30Bill Simmons?

  Anyway, you can, you can listen to both of their podcasts, but more importantly, this was an Amanda Dobbins request. It's been a request for years. It's finally happening. Apollo 13 is next. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st. Our guy, Jason Statham, stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane. I like that movie. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens. Statham goes off the grid on a one man mission. I love one man missions to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of The Beekeeper, The Meg, or The Expendables, guilty. This

• 1:13Bill Simmons?

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• 2:51Bill Simmons?

  Apollo 13. Isn't America just great? Aren't you just proud to be an American? Remember when we used to just solve shit? Put people on the moon. We used to dream. We used to look up there. Like someday we used to come together as people.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we didn't give up.

• 3:06Bill Simmons?

  Didn't give up. Just solve problems.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Failure was not an option.

• 3:09Bill Simmons?

  Failure was not an option. Just solve shit. Just went up, brought our guys back. Everyone cheered the control room. The end. Why do you love this movie?

• 3:17Speaker 01

  For that. To me, this is peak 90s Hollywood, peak studio, big budget movie. And it is, to your point, when we talk about, they don't make them like they used to. I mean, America for sure, but also movies like this, big budget, based on a true story. You solve something as a team with movie stars and practical effects and zero gravity, and you feel better about yourself and the world. And not in a cheesy way, because, you know, it is, as Tom Hanks says at the end, the successful failure. So I, it's just a perfect concoction. I also, 95 was Clueless, Apollo 13, and Ang Lee's Sense and Sensibility,

• 3:59Speaker 01

  which is of course next week on the Rewatchables. But for me, those were huge movies. And kind of when I logged on as a movie watcher. Most people of my generation was 94 and Pulp Fiction. For me, it was 95 and Apollo 13. And so this sets the template. Like this is what all movies should be. Tom Hanks carrying a movie on his back.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  It's also when I logged on as a movie watcher, this was, I think, the first grown up movie I was allowed to watch. And some of it was, as a kid growing up in Texas, space humongous deal. I had space toys. I went to space camp.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I wanted to go to space camp.

• 4:37Bill Simmons?

  I forgot about that.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  It was a blast.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  So bad. Do you remember Disney Adventures, the magazine? So they advertised in Disney Adventures like crazy, and I was never allowed to go. But this movie just fed into it big time.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Can I say it's not too late? You know, you could be the adult at space camp.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Do they have an adult division?

• 4:53Speaker 02

  I can assure you, they do.

• 4:54Bill Simmons?

  Should we have done that for the Ringer 10 year anniversary? Space camp, everybody?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Did you get to do the zero gravity machine where they spin you upside down?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  Well, actually, yes, we did that, that version. Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  But no vomit comment?

• 5:03Speaker 02

  No vomit.

• 5:04Bill Simmons?

  You know, this is a great point, though. Texas and, and space, it's like the official home team for, for space. People don't realize that.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I was going to kids' birthday parties where the whole theme was just like space. You know, it was just like, it was weirdly even for the 90s, considering how late in the game all this stuff was, a genuine sensation. And so this brought me to adult movies for the first time. This and That Thing You Do are also the first times I ever saw Tom Hanks on screen.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Oh my God, hold my hand for That Thing You Do. I'm not saying anything in front of you, but there is an anniversary coming up later this year.

• 5:34Bill Simmons?

  You're That Thing You Doer?

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Are you kidding me?

• 5:37Speaker 02

  You guys don't have to hold hands anymore.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  And this is, this is a moment of union between me and Rob, because you know, the deal on the big picture is that he comes onto the big picture and takes all my stuff. He drafts all of my movies, and so normally we're opposed.

• 5:51Bill Simmons?

  He's a foil.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yes, but now, together, we love Apollo 13, and we love That Thing You Do.

• 5:56Bill Simmons?

  And space, and America, and Tom Hanks.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  See, we love those movies too. We're just allowed to be on the same side here. It's the structure. It's the system that's against us.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  We're not opposed. Yeah. It's a teamwork.

• 6:06Bill Simmons?

  I saw Apollo 13 when I was in my mid 20s, my most cynical.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:11Bill Simmons?

  Right? So I was more in like that kicking and screaming, like, I just want to like smoke cigarettes and think everybody, yeah, think everybody's like wrong. And I saw this, and I was like, ah, that's a little schmaltzy. Yeah, all right. And then, over the years, it was, it was on all the time. Like, huh, this is the carbon dioxide part. All right. And you just kind of get sucked in. And I find myself liking it more and more, but especially the last five, six years. It's just a, it's just a go to safe one.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:42Bill Simmons?

  Right? You just kind of plunge in. It's your friends. It's like, oh, Bill Paxton. Oh, Gary Sinise, he doesn't get to go. Hey, there's Ed Harris. He's gonna smoke another dart.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Right. Or, and now they gotta solve this problem. It is a procedural. So you can dip in and out. And it did play on cable all of the time. I had the VHS, but you could...

• 7:01Bill Simmons?

  Well, because it would be the three hour, it could go from eight to 11, because it's like two hours 20, but then 40 minutes of commercials. It's like, perfect.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  And so you would log on for the, oh, okay, they gotta fix the carbon, you know, dioxide monitors, or, oh, they gotta do the burn and keep the earth in the window. And you can just watch these various hurdles pop up.

• 7:22Bill Simmons?

  Or when they're doing the little TV show that nobody's watching because none of the networks picked it up.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Just hamming it up.

• 7:28Bill Simmons?

  But as they're hamming it up, you're like, ah, this is gonna flip in a second. These guys have no idea. Bacon's gonna switch that flip.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, with the problem solving stuff, though, like not only did Apollo 13 kind of symbolize the mid 90s Hollywood in general, but I think it changed space movies forever. From this like, isn't it wonderful and amazing and awesome to be in space? Kind of like fantastical journeys into space to every minute is like a fight for survival. And you can see the, like, we don't get Project Hail Mary without this movie. Like, we don't get that book. We don't get The Martian. We don't get Interstellar. That, to me, that type of storytelling kind of starts from a movie making perspective right here.

• 8:05Bill Simmons?

  And we have, I had the premiere magazine on it. Hanks. But this was like, you mentioned 95. The infrastructure, the mechanism of like, Apollo 13's coming, and Ron Howard's gonna direct, and Tom Hanks is in it. Like, you were aware of this stuff well before it came out. And Hanks was like, the most important person who could have been in this. And there's, I'll step on one cast and win it up now, which you guys probably know, but they offered it to Costner first, because Costner was, they knew they were doing this like at the end of 93. Costner's the biggest star in the world. Hanks has always wanted to do an astronaut movie. So his agent's like, hey, you should give it to Hanks. So Hanks is locked in, and then Hanks has the Philadelphia Forrest Gump combo. And now it's like, this

• 8:49Bill Simmons?

  is, we've won the lottery. We have Hanks. Hanks has season tickets, Hanks now. It's like, whatever he's in next, people are going. And he's, I can't imagine this movie with Kevin Costner.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  This is not a Kevin Costner movie. Like, he's way too glib for it. Like, the energy would be so strange. Like...

• 9:05Bill Simmons?

  He's getting horny at, at the party early.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  It's also after No Way Out, so you can't trust him. Yeah.

• 9:10Bill Simmons?

  The champagne with Kathleen Quinlan. Like, now, I have to watch him, like, get it on a little bit there. Yeah, I don't, he wouldn't be, in the Apollo 13 for two hours with guys, I don't know, he'd be looking around.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  And it's also so essential to the Hanks lore as the, like, as the history nerd guy, you know? Because then after this, you get Band of Brothers, and you get Saving Private Ryan, and you get the, and he's like, really into astronauts, is what, and really into space, is what they say in all the coverage of this time. But then it just turns out he's just really, really into 1941 to 1970, I guess.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  But not in a weird way.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  But not, no, in a cool celebratory way. That's the thing.

• 9:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, he's trying to basically be Jimmy Stewart for, for like two generations of people.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Kind of worked.

• 9:56Bill Simmons?

  And it worked.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  To me, it worked. It's good that Sean's not here for this one.

• 9:59Bill Simmons?

  Why?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Because in Cruise versus Hanks, there's always, you're always fighting for Hanks, and I'm fighting with you. And Sean...

• 10:07Bill Simmons?

  I love Cruise too, though.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  I love Cruise too, but I just think there's sometimes...

• 10:11Bill Simmons?

  Sean just shades it way toward...

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 10:13Bill Simmons?

  Do you feel that way, Craig? Do you think Sean shades it too far to, to Cruise?

• 10:18Speaker 02

  To Cruise?

• 10:18Bill Simmons?

  I feel like he's anti-Hanks a little bit.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  I do think he's a way too...

• 10:21Speaker 01

  He does. Yeah. And I, I'm happy he's not here.

• 10:24Bill Simmons?

  I made for Sean. This is Tom Hanks' 11th Rewatchables. He has now moved up there. Cruise is first at 18, Pacino 14, De Niro 13, Denzel is still on 12, Hanks 11. Moved out of a two way tie with Matt Damon. So long, Matt.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  How do we not have a graph with every Ringer staffer plotted Hanks versus Cruise? Like, how far you are leaning on the spectrum, one to the other?

• 10:45Bill Simmons?

  It does feel like you do have to pick a side.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  I did, that's hard, though. If I actually had to pick.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  I don't know, can I, if I could do it?

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Let's do it right now. You guys all have to pick.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  No, I won't.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  This is America. This is a movie about America and they have to pick whether to go to the moon or go home, but they don't have to pick between Hanks and Cruz.

• 11:04Bill Simmons?

  Tom Cruise could not have played Jim Lovell, I don't think.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:07Bill Simmons?

  I just think it would have been a weird use of Tom Cruise.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:09Bill Simmons?

  Whereas Hanks, this was perfect for him, but I wouldn't have wanted to see Hanks in Eyes Wide Shut.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 11:14Bill Simmons?

  And I would not have wanted to see him in The Firm.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Eyes Wide Shut Hanks would be really something to behold.

• 11:19Bill Simmons?

  He's really a new side of Hanks.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  As he's shooting into America's dad, he's also in Eyes Wide Shut. I kind of need that.

• 11:25Bill Simmons?

  So Hanks goes, league of their own, sleeps in Seattle, Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, Apollo 13, Toy Story in the same year. He's just ripping them off.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Ridiculous.

• 11:35Bill Simmons?

  This is the biggest heater. We've talked about it before in the rewatchables. This is the biggest heater anybody's had in the last 35 plus years.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, undefeated.

• 11:44Bill Simmons?

  Roger Ebert, who we're going to get to later, but he said, when we're talking about the America thing, Apollo 13 never really states its theme, except perhaps in one sentence in the narration at the end, but the whole film is suffused with it. When was the last time you heard that word? Suffused. The space program was a really extraordinary thing, something to be proud of, and those who went into space were not just heroes, which is a cliche, but brave and resourceful.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:12Bill Simmons?

  Which somehow we don't feel that way anymore.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Well, we don't really go into space like this anymore.

• 12:16Bill Simmons?

  And nobody cares if we go or not. And I was thinking about like the six-

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Artemis 2 just happened. That felt like a moment.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  And-

• 12:22Bill Simmons?

  Was it actually a moment? Like, did you and Liz talk about it?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  My kids were super excited.

• 12:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:28Bill Simmons?

  And that's good.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  And yeah, and they could say Artemis 2 and they thought that they were going to see it land in San Diego from our house.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  I watched it. It was like appointment watching. I heard that we were going around the dark side of the moon, that we were going to lose connection with them for an hour. I was into it.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  And listen, Bill, let me tell you something. At the last minute, they had some heat shield concerns. I swear to God.

• 12:48Bill Simmons?

  I always have heat shield concerns.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  I mean, who doesn't?

• 12:50Bill Simmons?

  4,000 degrees.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Not to step on who, what age is the worst, but heat shields, apparently, we have not figured this out. I read so many articles about other, like, engineers trying to get in front of their version of the Apollo 13. Like, they, all of the journalists essentially tracked down the people who built this heat shield, the Artemis 2 heat shield, to allow them to distance themselves from various, and more scientists who were like, we didn't agree on this. They were fine. They made it. But heat shields, still an issue.

• 13:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's, I don't know, when I was growing up, we had had all this stuff and we had kind of achieved it.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:26Bill Simmons?

  And it was, I already felt like this whole decade where it was like tumultuous for all these great things to happen. And now the 70s, now all of a sudden, great things aren't happening.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:35Bill Simmons?

  Right? And then you see a movie like this that comes out 20, literally 25 years afterwards, and there's this underlying theme in the whole movie of like, and they don't say it, which I think, the more I've watched this movie, it's the coolest thing about the movie. They don't hit you over the head with anything. There's not one moment where somebody's like telling you what the movie's about, no character, but it's all underlying of like, back then, you just kind of had a dream and that's what you wanted to do. And it's about like this guy, all he wanted to do was walk on the moon. He didn't get to do it. And he presided over a successful failure. And that was, and he kind of knows in the moment, like, this is what I'm going to be remembered for, being able to be pulled back out of space and not dying. And that's kind of where I am.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  I think the closest we get to someone saying it out loud is Jim Lovell at the beginning. And I think it's in his book of the like, it wasn't a miracle that we went to the moon, we just decided to. And like, that kind of ambition that you're speaking to, I think is kind of undergirding the whole movie. But then it's like, what happens when an ambition leads you to take a faulty oxygen tank into space? Like, what are the repercussions of just deciding to do something like that?

• 14:39Bill Simmons?

  And then also how crazy was that in the 60s with the fucking technology we had, that we were able to even do this?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:46Bill Simmons?

  That gets more amazing by the year. Like, think about the TVs they're watching in this. And just the stuff, the radios, the things are so primitive.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  I think about when they're trying to find the extra power that they need to reboot the command module, and they're in search of four amps, you know, or, and they compare it to a vacuum, what would run a vacuum cleaner, or something so small and so inconsequential. And that's, that's the technology that they're dealing with. And they're floating around in this tiny tin can, just trying to find like a vacuum cleaner's worth of juice.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  And they're constantly doing that, too. They're like, this is what we're in a vacuum cleaner and we need enough energy for a coffee pot. It's like, you gotta take a toaster through a car wash.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  How do we make all this stuff feel grounded and real in a way where, yeah, we don't feel hit over the head? It's just like, oh, I get exactly what the struggle is, because many astronauts are coming on screen, holding bottles of beer in cups and like mocking it out for us.

• 15:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's a lot of people together and you know they're all smart. And they're just on the move all the time, trying to figure out solutions. And there's like, I think two different times in the movie where they all kind of freeze because they know this is bad.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:53Bill Simmons?

  And it gets quiet for like three seconds.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:56Bill Simmons?

  You know, and Ron Howard directed, and Ron Howard, you know, if he was an athlete, we'd be like, great career, definitely a Hall of Famer, but like, there's not like a ton of Ron Howard fans. We'd be like, who's your favorite director? My favorite director is Ron Howard.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  So what's the cop? Is he, is he-

• 16:12Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  DeMar DeRozan? Who is he?

• 16:14Bill Simmons?

  He's kind of one step.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Exactly what I was going to say.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Sorry, didn't mean to steal it.

• 16:18Bill Simmons?

  No, it's like, I don't know, like a Philip Rivers or somebody that made the playoffs every year and-

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Wholesome family man?

• 16:23Bill Simmons?

  But this was his-

• 16:24Speaker 01

  I was going to say, he's been with a lot of kids, right?

• 16:26Speaker 02

  He is, yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:26Bill Simmons?

  But they thought they were going to win the Oscar for this and they didn't. They lost to Braveheart.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Outrage, in my opinion, but-

• 16:31Bill Simmons?

  There's this great story about Brian Grazer, like, with the speech and his thing of standing up and then it's Braveheart. I watched it on YouTube. They didn't show him, but he said-

• 16:40Speaker 01

  And then, you know, they did an oral history last year and someone said that Jim Lovell said to him, it's okay, I didn't get to go to the moon.

• 16:47Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Which is very charming, but also really puts it in perspective, however many years later, he's still, still thinking about it.

• 16:54Bill Simmons?

  Everyone thought that year, though, that was like, it was-

• 16:57Speaker 01

  It won the PGAs.

• 16:58Bill Simmons?

  One of the first times I remember the framework of the Oscars tying into the movies coming out, where it's like, oh, this could win. And I don't remember really, I know they always talked about it, but just for people like me in Boston, like doing nothing, having the sense of what an Oscar movie was.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:13Bill Simmons?

  You know? And this felt like, oh, they have Hanks, they have all these dudes, Ed Harris steals all his scenes, like, he's going to win. And then it only ended up winning two Oscars.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:24Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Forrest Gump, meanwhile. But I do feel like that Forrest Gump the year before, and you have both Hanks and Gary Sinise, and that was such an Oscar heavyweight. And also about a similar period of history, told in a slightly different way, but revisiting a boomer generation.

• 17:40Bill Simmons?

  I have theories on that.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:42Bill Simmons?

  Pushing that to later.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:43Bill Simmons?

  The successful failure.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:47Bill Simmons?

  The lessons from this, just like, it didn't work, let's do it again. I'm going to go back in and, Sinise, both Sinise and Hanks are like, all right, well, it's just, and just like the process, which you talked about, like a procedural, like, this is like the ultimate procedural. And all these guys just trusting like their expertise and there's a calmness to everybody.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:11Bill Simmons?

  Apparently in real life, it's even more calm. And that was like the one time they deviated from what real life was, like astronauts would never yell at each other. People in the control room would never freak out. Like, even the worst disasters we've had, everybody's pretty even keel, because you have to be. But I just like watching that. That's the same reason with the pit. I think that's one of the reasons the pit works, because it's complete chaos and you're just watching these people problem solve constantly.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  And it's one of those things that when you talk to people who make movies and TV shows, it's like, one of the hardest things to stage is crosstalk. Anytime there's many characters interjecting, cutting each other off, like I just did to Amanda, unfortunately. But like, like, all the control room scenes, I have no idea how you mock that out without like intense preparation and planning to make it happen.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  And I read that Howard told all the control room guys, like, the more you know the actors, the more you know about your stuff and the more specificity and like material you can give me, the more likely it is that you make the final cut of the movie. So I don't think that means they were improv.

• 19:09Bill Simmons?

  I liked that he did that, yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  But I do too. But, you know, they do, they speak in specifics. And you think about all of these guys being like, no, no, I got one more thing, and throwing out some jargon. And it still is also legible.

• 19:20Bill Simmons?

  Yes. Plus, keeping, like, basically obeying a lot of the transcript.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:25Bill Simmons?

  And not freelancing with it, because really trying, this movie tried so hard to be authentic, which was another thing that was relatively new for the 90s. And now it's like everybody, anyone who made a movie like this now in 2026 would be fanatical about, I've got to get this, I got to do this. But back then, it was a little, you'd just take liberties. Who was going to say? We didn't have the internet. But they, this movie was really fanatical. And he sent those guys to like camp to learn, you know, he sent them mounds of transcripts to read and wanted them to listen to how the control room people talked to each other. And it's impressive. It was an impressive achievement.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:03Bill Simmons?

  Not to mention, like, the CGI stuff's pretty early.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  It's pretty good.

• 20:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. The rocket launch is like, really solid.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  It's pretty good. Yeah.

• 20:11Bill Simmons?

  And then they, the most famous thing was the zero gravity stuff that they did, which we'll talk about later. Our guy, Steve Spielberg, gave him the key suggestion.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:20Bill Simmons?

  Just getting one of those zero G planes fly around.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  That'll do it.

• 20:23Bill Simmons?

  That'll, that'll do it. Ron Howard.

• 20:28Bill Simmons?

  Won my heart with Night Shift, which we've done on the rewatchables.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  It's incredible that Night Shift was before Apollo 13.

• 20:36Bill Simmons?

  Way before.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I guess you're doing, you're working chronologically through.

• 20:39Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you mean on rewatchables?

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 20:41Bill Simmons?

  But this was, I was like basically.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  But also historically.

• 20:44Bill Simmons?

  I was basically the age for Night Shift that you were for Apollo 13.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so I get it, yeah.

• 20:48Bill Simmons?

  Also, Night Shift was a huge win. Craig came in with one of the biggest smiles in his face I've ever seen.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  For Night Shift?

• 20:54Bill Simmons?

  It was just like, we just don't make them like these anymore.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  We don't, we really don't.

• 20:57Bill Simmons?

  Dude, a pimp in a, in a, in a, what was he, in a funeral home? Funeral home.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, some morgue thing, yeah.

• 21:05Bill Simmons?

  All right, Night Shift Splash, good start. Hanks. Cocoon, big movie. Gung Ho did well, hasn't aged great. Willow.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  There are people who, who are into it.

• 21:19Bill Simmons?

  There's some Willow, Willow.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Are they in the room with us right now?

• 21:21Speaker 01

  They're not in the room with us today. They weren't.

• 21:22Bill Simmons?

  Parenthood, we've done on rewatchables.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:26Bill Simmons?

  Good one, little flawed, but really fun. Atypical setup TV series. Backdraft, same thing, lot of people.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 21:33Bill Simmons?

  Far and Away, bad.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Quite bad.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Fun, though. Enjoy it. The accent work is really something.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  No.

• 21:41Bill Simmons?

  If in like year 17 of the rewatchables, we might have to do it.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  You should make Sean come on for that. Make him defend that cruise.

• 21:47Bill Simmons?

  Cruise has an Irish accent and bare knuckle boxes.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  When we did the Cruise Hall of Fame, I do think that Sean drafted it and tried to defend the, the portrayal of Ireland and the Irish accent.

• 22:00Bill Simmons?

  Sean saw that movie once. I, I think Sean sometimes pads his stats. I think Far and Away was a one timer for Sean. It's like, yeah, Ireland, bare knuckle boxing. He's, nobody's queuing that up twice.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  I went to a blind Tom Cruise movie marathon. Five movies back to back all day.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  And you didn't know what they were?

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Didn't know what they were.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  In a theater in someone's home?

• 22:18Speaker 03

  You watched five in a row?

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Five in a row.

• 22:20Bill Simmons?

  That sounds, that sounds amazing.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Movie three was Far and Away. So it's like, right when you're starting to get punchy, they throw in the Irish accents.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  It really played in that setting. But.

• 22:29Bill Simmons?

  Do you remember the order of the five?

• 22:31Speaker 02

  I think Days of Thunder was first.

• 22:35Bill Simmons?

  I would put that third.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Color of Money first.

• 22:37Bill Simmons?

  I would put that third. I would have started with Far and Away as like an appetizer.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Collateral second, Days of Thunder last. I'm blanking on what the fourth movie was.

• 22:45Bill Simmons?

  Wow, putting Far and Away at third is just aggressive.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  Were you doing like yoga in between the movies? How are you staying loose?

• 22:51Speaker 02

  It's just my natural state.

• 22:54Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, this sounds like a great day.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Now, I really need to know what movie four was.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  I gotta, I gotta peg it down. I gotta figure out what it was.

• 22:59Bill Simmons?

  Probably The Firm or Few Good Men is crammed in there.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  I feel like there were no obvious ones. It was Cocktail.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Oh my God, how are you not there?

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Cause they gave us customized cocktail shakers as a little party favor for this movie.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  It was incredible.

• 23:12Bill Simmons?

  So he, Far and Away in the paper is before Apollo.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, are you a paper guy?

• 23:17Bill Simmons?

  Ciara and I have discussed it a lot. It's, it's not good.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  I wanna like it.

• 23:21Bill Simmons?

  I really wanted to like it.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  I like everything about it except the movie itself, you know?

• 23:26Bill Simmons?

  Do you get flipping around amnesia where you're like, the paper? Hey, did, maybe I, one more chance. And then it's like, oh yeah, no, this is.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  It just doesn't, it doesn't work.

• 23:36Bill Simmons?

  It just never gets there. And it's really dated.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Can we just say the theme of a lot of this, which is I wanted it to work as kind of the Ron Howard story 80% of the time?

• 23:44Bill Simmons?

  Until Apollo 13.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:45Bill Simmons?

  He kept like taking these big swings at lots of people and, and finally hit with this. And, um, it's weird because I think my single favorite Ron Howard movie is Rush.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Rush is pretty good.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  It was pretty good.

• 23:57Bill Simmons?

  I really thought he, I thought that was such a well done, awesome, well acted, everything. But, um, that and this and Night Shift are probably my favorite. What are your three?

• 24:07Speaker 02

  I don't know that there are three, to be honest with you. He's not, he's not one of my guys, which makes this feel aberrational, but he was born to direct exactly this movie.

• 24:15Bill Simmons?

  What do you think?

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Parenthood, Apollo 13, and Rush, probably. I mean, I did also like Rush and the Chris Hemsworth performance, but this is on its, on its own pedestal. This is singular.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Beautiful Mind? That was a movie I like weirdly watched a ton when I was like 12.

• 24:31Bill Simmons?

  You only wanna watch it once.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  It might be in the three by default, but I don't love it.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  It's very like sincere, old, like early aughts kind of movie.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:39Bill Simmons?

  I actually really like Frost Nixon. I thought that was good.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:42Bill Simmons?

  That would be probably my number five.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 24:44Bill Simmons?

  I like Frost Nixon.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 24:46Bill Simmons?

  Kevin Bacon?

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Always yes.

• 24:50Bill Simmons?

  Is Kevin Bacon a Hall of Famer?

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Of course he is. Tremors Alone. How dare you? Is he a Hall of Famer?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  He's not a Hall of Famer.

• 24:58Bill Simmons?

  So like how Michael Cooper's a Hall of Famer?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Why do men say this? Why do men not respect Kevin Bacon?

• 25:04Speaker 03

  I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Okay, this is, this is also an issue with everyone.

• 25:07Bill Simmons?

  I like Kevin Bacon, I'm just provoking conversation.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  It sounds like you don't.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  River Wild.

• 25:11Bill Simmons?

  I have a bunch of.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Apollo 13.

• 25:13Bill Simmons?

  Animal House Diner, Footloose, Flatliners, JFK, Few Good Men, River Wild, Apollo 13, Sleepers, Mystic River, Frost Nixon, Crazy Stupid Love.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Sure sounds like that.

• 25:21Bill Simmons?

  And I didn't mention 70 other movies.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:23Bill Simmons?

  I think he's in, but I don't think he gets in on the first ballot. And I think people are upset and they're like, he didn't get in. Oh my God, he didn't get 75% of the vote. And then the next ballot, he gets like 77 and gets in.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  I think that actually sounds right. I think he's deserving, but maybe it's not obvious to everybody.

• 25:40Bill Simmons?

  So what's his, what's the single best Kevin Bacon performance? Cause I don't think it's this.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Is it the River Wild?

• 25:46Bill Simmons?

  He's pretty good in the River Wild.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  He's really good. I rewatched it a while ago. Merrill crushes in that, doing so much.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Is it not actually Footloose? I think it's actually Footloose.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Very good in that.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Like the physical performance is a part of performance.

• 25:57Bill Simmons?

  I really honestly think it's a Few Good Men.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Captain Jack Ross?

• 26:00Bill Simmons?

  I think Smiling Jack Ross is, he just is, every moment he's great in it. I also, this, it's a terrible movie, but the, one of the rom coms, what was the one he made with Anniston? Picture Perfect? No, he's like, he's like the cad. I like when he's a cad.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  He's a good cad.

• 26:15Bill Simmons?

  He's like the bad guy that you don't want our rom com heroine to fall in love with, and then she ends up picking somebody else. I think it was Picture Perfect, but I always like when he's a dick. I don't feel like he's been a dick enough.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  I mean, he's been a dick, he's been a pedophile, he's been lots of things in many movies. The range is what I'm saying.

• 26:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, in this one, he's a 60s bachelor, which is one of my favorites.

• 26:39Bill Simmons?

  It's usually like scenes like that where there's some, it's the opening scene, some goofy 60s house and him flirting with somebody who has some crazy hairdo and being like, here's a beer. And, and it's like, oh, this guy, okay.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  And then he's pictured in the shower with another woman, you know? And but they don't, they don't really comment on it that much. You just.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  You don't know, it could be the same woman. We don't see her. Actually, we do see her later. It is definitely a different woman.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  It's a different woman.

• 27:04Bill Simmons?

  So we got him.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Both very beautiful, good for him.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  New woman in every port.

• 27:06Bill Simmons?

  High approval rating in general for Kevin Bacon. Then Bill Paxton, who I think has like close to 100%.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:12Bill Simmons?

  And this is the Apollo twister Titanic threesome for Bill Paxton, vaulting him to.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Tremendous.

• 27:20Bill Simmons?

  Older level. Culminating with him having to listen to the, uh, the old lady. Tell me more about the necklace.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Everyone's favorite part of Titanic.

• 27:32Bill Simmons?

  Some of the worst scenes ever filmed for a classic movie. And then what happened? So you dated this guy for nine months and you still talk about him 60 years later, but you had a whole family with this other guy?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Nine months? It was like three days.

• 27:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. No, it was, yeah, two days.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, two days, nine hours.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  How long was the Titanic voyage?

• 27:53Bill Simmons?

  Nine hours.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. Very short.

• 27:57Bill Simmons?

  Would Zach and, and your children take that personally if like on your deathbed, you're like, yeah, this guy in my early twenties in New York and that was it? You just talked about him the whole day? Cause I would be furious if that was my wife.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Y'all have clearly never been painted like a French girl before. It's, it's a life changing experience.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  I honestly hope they'd be mad that I got rid of the necklace, you know? I, I, I would hope that they.

• 28:19Bill Simmons?

  You see, you're too smart. You'd keep the necklace.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 28:22Bill Simmons?

  You'd take care of future generations. Bill Paxton, everybody loves him. The closest here to Weird Science Bill Paxton because he's got the crew cut and kind of the goofy whatever.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Doing math.

• 28:33Bill Simmons?

  But then more importantly, we have the, uh, overqualified sidekicks, Ed Harris and Gary Sinise.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  Gary Sinise coming off Forrest Gump, Lieutenant Dan gets to be reunited with Hanks. And then Ed Harris, who's just like, I'm stealing every moment I'm in this movie. You're gonna remember me.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  He's unreal. Is there a better guy at being in a control room?

• 28:53Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Than Ed Harris? Between this and Truman Show, like that's as good as it gets.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, it's an all time performance.

• 29:00Bill Simmons?

  Did make you think like if Ed Harris was an NFL head coach, just on the sideline with the headset, but knew nothing that was going on, but they just would cut to him and he looked like Ed Harris? I'd feel, I'd feel like we were going 12 and 5.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, can we replace Ed Harris just for Mike McCarthy? Mike McCarthy can still call the plays, but I just wanna see Ed Harris doing it.

• 29:19Bill Simmons?

  Ed Harris is just like smoking cigarettes and just looking out in the field. You feel like you're at least in the second round. Um, Sinise has the better part, though.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  It's a great part. It's a great character.

• 29:28Bill Simmons?

  Ed Harris is just making nothing out of, out of, uh, basically just them cutting to him and him being intense, but Sinise is like doing some stuff here. And it's like the most likable Sinise, I think. Cause that, deep down, I always feel like Sinise is the ransom guy.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:44Bill Simmons?

  Just like the dark side or like Lieutenant Dan after he loses his legs where he's like on a bender.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Well, to your point about how the movie doesn't actually have anyone say the themes and what it's about, that, a lot of the acting is just people reacting and sitting there silently like they've gotten really bad news, which many of these characters do. Throughout the course of this, this movie. But that scene when it's, when Hanks, when Jim Lovell tells him that he's not getting.

• 30:13Bill Simmons?

  It was my call.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was my call. Most of that scene is them just sitting in chairs like this, staring at each other. And you feel everything. It is great acting, but it is just people looking at each other being like, okay.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  It must've been a hard decision.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:27Bill Simmons?

  It's great acting.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:29Bill Simmons?

  Keep, is that like the split second pause?

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:32Bill Simmons?

  Must've been a hard decision. And just kind of stares him down. You're like, oh.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  It's so restrained, but like for that part, you don't need to do a lot. Like the perfectionist who got benched and is trying to be a good sport and feels guilty because he wasn't on the flight, but then gets to try to save his friends and also feels guilty for feeling relieved that he's not on it, like.

• 30:50Bill Simmons?

  It's in there a couple other times too.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  There's so much there.

• 30:52Bill Simmons?

  He's like, I wish you could see it. And he's like, I bet you do. And it's like, ah, he's still a little.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:58Bill Simmons?

  Little pissed. Um, and then your favorite of this movie, Kathleen Quinlan.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  If they have a problem with that, they can take it up with my husband. He'll be home on Friday. Listen, she gilds the lily from time to time.

• 31:14Bill Simmons?

  That's, that's the one. That's the one. Everything else I'm literally okay with.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  But also I have it memorized.

• 31:18Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 31:20Bill Simmons?

  She, she, that talk about a nothing part.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which she turns into, I often, every time I'm washing my hands.

• 31:26Bill Simmons?

  I think she's great. She got nominated for an Oscar.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  She's really good in this.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Every time I'm washing my hands, I think about the ring going down the drain. And like the panic of, of losing a ring. And I think she's really good with the grandmother. And, you know, who's, who I believe is Mrs. Howard.

• 31:43Bill Simmons?

  Ron Howard's mom. Yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  No, she, she doesn't let it go too big too often.

• 31:50Bill Simmons?

  This is a classic terrible actress part.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:54Bill Simmons?

  That she's, makes a good part.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:56Bill Simmons?

  And has really good reactions, especially when, the end, when they don't know if they've survived the three minutes. And she's just like.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  I have, yeah.

• 32:04Bill Simmons?

  Watching TV, it's like, you really think like her husband's potentially.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Mom, you're squeezing me. She's like, oh, sorry.

• 32:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. And then when he makes it, like, she's really, really good. I've always liked her. I always thought she should have had a better career.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  The scene with her and Hanks the night before the launch, when she's not going to come to the launch. And then she comes, they, you know, they have great chemistry across the road, but it's good.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Their chemistry is adorable. Yeah. She has to spend a lot of this movie, to your point, like, listening to radios and watching TVs. Everything she and Hanks are in together is awesome. It's so, like, I just wish we got a version of a movie where they were on screen more together sometimes.

• 32:39Bill Simmons?

  Not nearly enough smoking from her, though. I just feel like in real life, that lady was pounding darts.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they are, you know, all the astronauts are former military.

• 32:49Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  So I guess in 1970, I don't know what that means, but everyone's a little conservative. It's a little straight-laced. They send the kid to military school.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  They do.

• 32:57Bill Simmons?

  Do you think they gave her the Oscar nomination partly because she had to have that hairdo the entire movie?

• 33:01Speaker 01

  It's real tough. I mean.

• 33:02Bill Simmons?

  What? Can you explain what happened in that two-year span?

• 33:05Speaker 01

  I don't know. No, I wasn't there and you were not, you know, sentient, so I don't know what anyone was thinking.

• 33:12Bill Simmons?

  It's the all-time, I don't know what you guys were thinking haircut. This, it's like a, it's like a beehive and it's, I, I just don't get it.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  And also.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Do you think men at the time were like, that looks great?

• 33:24Bill Simmons?

  I think we admired the engineering, you know?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  I, no, I don't think so, because it reminds me of a scene in the, the Crown. It reminds me of like Queen Elizabeth haircut, you know? And it's something that you would get done to your hair. And then I guess it is efficient because it doesn't get touched for several weeks, you know?

• 33:43Bill Simmons?

  Is that what it is?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, in the shower, she's wearing the shower cap and she has all the pins and everything. And that's because you don't wash or rest, you get your hair set. That's what they call it. That's what my grandmother called it. And then you don't go to the salon or touch it for another week or two. But I, yeah, I don't think that people, women were doing it for the, to appeal to the opposite sex.

• 34:05Bill Simmons?

  Really brutal, because the seventies, everybody figured it out.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:08Bill Simmons?

  Everyone looks great in the seventies.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:10Bill Simmons?

  Um, I really wanted to do Sixties Week at The Ringer.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  Where we just all had to dress like characters in the sixties for podcasts, but, uh, Jeff Chow told me it was too expensive.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Also probably illegal. I wouldn't recommend it.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  I'm immediately like, who am I gonna be? Who would I be?

• 34:24Bill Simmons?

  You would have to dress like Kathleen Quinlan in a Paul 13 for an entire week.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  First of all, that's the seventies. It's 1970, so.

• 34:31Bill Simmons?

  Oh, true.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I get a pass on that.

• 34:33Bill Simmons?

  I think, I would say I think Rob would come off great in this.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 34:37Bill Simmons?

  I do.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  I, I mean.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  The hair is already here, let's be real.

• 34:39Bill Simmons?

  Tall, strapping guy.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:42Bill Simmons?

  Screenplay.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:44Bill Simmons?

  William Broyles Jr. and Al Reiner. There was a book they got to work on called Lost Moon from Jim Lovell, Jeffrey Kluger.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:53Bill Simmons?

  And they wrote it with Costner in mind, with that lead part, assuming Costner would be in it.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  They lucked out.

• 34:58Bill Simmons?

  Um, and the rest is history.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  I read that book when I was 12 years old.

• 35:03Bill Simmons?

  No documentary footage.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Read on the way to space camp, I'm saying.

• 35:07Bill Simmons?

  So we, no documentary footage, they filmed everything.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:10Bill Simmons?

  Howard like painstakingly recreated every, even like how they walked up, you know, walked upstairs and shit. He studied everything, uh, really no special effects. Nine Oscar nominations, one for film editing and sound. So here's Best Picture. Braveheart wins, Apollo 13, Babe, The Postman.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  El Postino.

• 35:35Bill Simmons?

  El Postino and Sense and Sensibility were our five.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:40Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, who wins in the 31 years later re-Oscars?

• 35:45Speaker 01

  My, my heart is torn in two. And this one, this is my own personal Cruise and Hanks, but it's Hanks and, uh, Emma Thompson.

• 35:52Bill Simmons?

  Oh, there you say Hanks and Mel Gibson. I was like, wow, this is crazy.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 35:56Bill Simmons?

  Didn't hear a Gibson person.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Hanks and Emma Thompson. Yeah, I, I think that Sense and Sensibility is wonderful, but this should have one. This is the most nineties, like, historic.

• 36:05Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of Braveheart lovers out there and it's one of the most requested re-watchables. We still haven't done it.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  I mean, the speech is, you know, memorable. You'll never take.

• 36:15Bill Simmons?

  The crazier thing is Mel Gibson won for Best Director and Ron Howard was not nominated.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is crazy.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Messed up.

• 36:22Bill Simmons?

  And then Best Actor, Nicolas Cage wins for Las Vegas.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:28Bill Simmons?

  Dick Dreyfus, Mr. Holland's Opus.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 36:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 36:31Bill Simmons?

  Did that a while ago.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:33Bill Simmons?

  Anthony Hopkins for Nixon, terrible. Sean Penn, Dead Man Walking Shore. And then Massimo Trionsi.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, El Postino strikes again.

• 36:43Bill Simmons?

  So here's the thing, and Rob and I, our NBA world, we watch this happen, NBA award season sometimes. So when people get tired of voting for somebody. This is just, Hanks had won two Best Actors in a row.

• 36:57Bill Simmons?

  And everybody, the Oscar Academy was, was doing the old, all right, here's some settle down juice, Tom Hanks. We're not, we're not nominating you again. This isn't happening. So he does not get nominated. Should he have been nominated?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Can I do my hottest take now?

• 37:10Bill Simmons?

  Do it now. Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  I would trade both Hanks Oscars for one, Hanks Apollo 13 Oscar. I think this performance is incredible. I think it is the best Hanks performance and the essential Hanks performance. The number of.

• 37:25Bill Simmons?

  The essential Hanks performance.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  The essential. It communicates everything that has turned Tom Hanks into America's dad, one of our great movie stars. And also like the, this generation's Jimmy Stewart. There are so many shots that are just of the camera zooming in on his face as he watches Neil Armstrong walk down the stairs onto the moon. Or as he listens to, you know, um, Houston and figures out, they don't know how we're gonna get home. They don't know what we're gonna do. We're not going to the moon. I can't go to the moon. You know, the gentleman, what are your intentions scene? I would like to go home. And, but that's really the only.

• 38:07Bill Simmons?

  We just lost the moon is a tough one.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  I, but the rest of it is in his face and in his eyes. And he is communicating ambition and loss and fear and dignity and everything that we like about Tom Hanks.

• 38:20Bill Simmons?

  Armstrong, when he's watching Armstrong land and it hones in on him for a while, it's like 12 seconds.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  It's very closely. Yeah, you don't actually watch that footage because it's not great quality. You watch him.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  His face.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Even that, um, when Kathleen Quinlan is watching one of his interviews and that story of, like, a past interview. When he's a fighter pilot and he said, and he tells the story of like the lights going out and I followed the trail of, I'll be home. I mean, the performance that is him trying to, you know, give some hope and tell you something essential about this character and how he wouldn't, he's not gonna give up and you gotta keep rooting for him. And some, you know, humanity to the Kathleen Quinlan character, it's incredible. Like, I just, this is, this is the best performance. And Forrest Gump is great in, you know.

• 39:12Bill Simmons?

  Nobody thinks Forrest Gump is.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  It's like Forrest Gump gets all the flack, like, this movie is so much better than Philadelphia. It's so, like, it is, and the performance is better than Philadelphia. It's subtler. But when you think about how much of it rests on his face selling the stakes of what's happening and every incremental change in their situation, I just think he's asked to carry a lot. And the, and Ron Howard trusts it to a degree that's unprecedented for what we see now in movies. Like, I think there's only one moment where they veer into like, let's show you something we don't need to. And so we get like the vision of him stepping on the moon in his like dream state. Other than that, it's all like present, let me just show you the Tom Hanks reaction shot, and it works.

• 39:51Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, I think Cast Away is his best performance.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 39:55Bill Simmons?

  Because I think it was, I think it was a harder movie to, he just has to carry it for an hour and 15 by himself.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  And it's like shorthand now for a type of movie star performance, which is just one guy.

• 40:05Bill Simmons?

  Everybody is, like, we've seen now, we just saw with The Odyssey, different movies, just trying to redo that. Where it's like, here's our guy, he's gonna be on his own now for a while.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Well, there are two Hanks Best Actor Oscars, so we could trade them both for Apollo 13 and then Cast Away.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Easiest trade we've ever made.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Two for one trade.

• 40:24Bill Simmons?

  I honestly think he should have at least three.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 40:27Bill Simmons?

  I think he's one short of where he should be. But, you know, if Philadelphia never happens, he at least gets nominated for this.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:35Bill Simmons?

  I think that was a big piece of this.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  The lack of the nomination is just disrespectful.

• 40:39Bill Simmons?

  This is what happens, though. And then some people think Saving Private Ryan's his best performance.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 40:45Bill Simmons?

  Which is interesting too, because it's a little bit older and beaten down Hanks, but, um, same stuff. What's your favorite Hanks, Craig?

• 40:52Speaker 02

  My favorite Hanks?

• 40:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Probably none of these movies. It's probably Sleepless in Seattle.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  He's also the king of rom-coms, you could argue.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  That's beautiful. Yeah, he's really, really good.

• 41:00Bill Simmons?

  I have Babe number two for me for Hanks.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Different phase of Hanks, but yeah.

• 41:06Bill Simmons?

  Because I thought that was like an impossible performance. I still don't know how he pulled that off. Because the other person who wanted that movie was De Niro. And that movie is one of the worst movies of all time with Robert De Niro.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:16Bill Simmons?

  Like, I just don't know a lot of people who do that. Um, so Best Actor, Spacey wins for Usual Suspects. Ed Harris is nominated.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:25Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't win. And then, um, Best Supporting Actress, uh, Quinlan does not win. Mira Sorvino.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Mighty Aphrodite.

• 41:35Bill Simmons?

  Or Mighty Aphrodite.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  That's, we're fine.

• 41:39Bill Simmons?

  Gets she, and I think she presented Best Picture for this Oscars, even though she'd already won. I don't know why, because that was the YouTube clip I watched. 52 million dollar budget made $355 million, third highest movie of 1995. Can you guess the two top movies, Rob Behony?

• 41:57Speaker 02

  95.

• 41:58Bill Simmons?

  95.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  I have no clue.

• 42:01Bill Simmons?

  We've done both.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Oh, Toy Story. Was Toy Story not one of them?

• 42:03Bill Simmons?

  Second.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. What was number one in ninety five?

• 42:06Bill Simmons?

  D H with a V.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 42:08Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard with a Vengeance, number one, all time.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:12Bill Simmons?

  Uh, our guy Roger Ebert, four stars.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 42:17Bill Simmons?

  This is a powerful story, one of the year's best films, told with great clarity and remarkable technical detail. It's about men trying to do a job, doing a better one than anyone could have imagined. And then he says, the buried, the buried, I can never say buried, buried.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  The buried?

• 42:33Bill Simmons?

  Buried.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Buried?

• 42:34Bill Simmons?

  Buried.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Is that a Boston thing?

• 42:36Bill Simmons?

  So Danny Heifetz, this is, we just talked about this today.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:39Bill Simmons?

  Danny Heifetz speech dyslexia. Uh, the buried message is this, when we dialed down the space program, we lost something crucial to our vision. When I was a kid, they used to predict that by the year two thousand, you'd be able to go to the moon. Nobody ever thought to predict that you'd be able to, but nobody would bother.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:56Bill Simmons?

  Raj.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Tough.

• 42:58Bill Simmons?

  Getting a little somber.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I mean, there is this somber quality to this, which is why I think I, I didn't, don't go into the reaction that you have of being like, this is a little too treacly.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Like, it is very sentimental and earnest, but they don't get to the moon, you know?

• 43:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 43:18Bill Simmons?

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• 45:32Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 45:34Bill Simmons?

  Everybody watches Neil Armstrong laying on the moon, and we get the Hank's face, you mentioned that. Small one, but Jim talking to his son about what happened in the fire.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  About the door getting stuck.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, the door, and then sets up.

• 45:46Bill Simmons?

  Sneaky good scene.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  It pays off.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  So, so good.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  So well.

• 45:49Bill Simmons?

  Then the kid says later.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  I know.

• 45:50Bill Simmons?

  Was it the door? Just good stuff.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:53Bill Simmons?

  This is such a, like, a well-constructed movie.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  And also, you know, it is explaining to you the history of the Apollo one mission, and also how the spaceship and works, so that you understand the launch sequences and all this. I mean, it is like basic expository writing, but like done deftly and with emotion. It's a good kid.

• 46:10Bill Simmons?

  So needs to get scrapped from the mission. We talked about that one.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14Bill Simmons?

  Bacon can't fall off, pull off, I guess, Jack, I call him Kevin Bacon, he can't pull off the test mission.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:21Bill Simmons?

  Came in too steep, we're dead.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Loves it so hard.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:23Bill Simmons?

  Let's do it again. Uh, the launch, where we get Ed Harris. I'm giving Ed Harris the Todd Parker Award for best character entrance. Just comes right in.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:31Bill Simmons?

  He's got a dart, it's ready to go, he's pointing around, he's already.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Waiting thirty minutes to show us Ed Harris is, I think, one of the master strokes.

• 46:39Bill Simmons?

  It comes in like Jaws.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:40Bill Simmons?

  Um, everyone watches the takeoff, and then, uh, we get an abort switch and all kinds of fun stuff. Um, Jack docking the Apollo thirteen into the, into the little cone area.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Get a rookie.

• 46:57Bill Simmons?

  It's exciting stuff.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Get a rookie.

• 47:01Bill Simmons?

  Houston, we have a problem. Also, we got oxygen spitting out of the ship.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, it's very stressful. And then the moment when they actually, Houston, we seem to be leaking something, and then the score, all the noise cuts out, as you said, and it's, you know, it's real bad.

• 47:18Bill Simmons?

  And then we get Ron Howard's brother, who is in every Ron Howard movie, and it's usually either awkward, or it's like, oh, they really shoehorned him in there, and he's got a key part here. Gene, the Odyssey is dying. And he explains that whole thing to

• 47:36Speaker 01

  From my chair, this is the only option, or this is our last option.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Turns out it wasn't a good option.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:41Bill Simmons?

  Then we get the, we just lost the moon. Poor Hank's. Um, Jim staring at the moon, thinking about being on it.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 47:49Bill Simmons?

  I just wrote down for the next one, everyone gets mad at each other.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Which did not happen in real life.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:55Bill Simmons?

  It's not happened, but I liked it.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  It's really good.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  A little bit of Hollywood drama. It's like, let's just, let's have one little, you know, moment of friction.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  But it is, it is more unbelievable.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  That they would not get mad at each other.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  And, and way less movie, and way less relatable.

• 48:10Bill Simmons?

  Howard said he took, he took some shit from the astronaut community about a couple of things, and he was just like, look, man, I'm making a movie.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:19Bill Simmons?

  I gotta like, a couple times, gotta Hollywood up a little bit. Uh, the CO2 fix scene.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  This is the one.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  This, I mean.

• 48:26Bill Simmons?

  This is my number one as well.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  It's me, too. Come on, it's so great.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  I've been waiting my whole life for somebody to be like, you need to fit this into this with nothing but that.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I get, I got none of that. The closest I, I would get is say, like, Bill, when you have me on the pod, you're like, we're doing an NBA mailbag, but you don't get the questions in advance. That's me building the CO2 filter.

• 48:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  But that's as close as it gets.

• 48:46Bill Simmons?

  And yet, you love it.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  I love the rush.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  I do feel like I think about this scene anytime I'm in a situation where I have a problem I need to solve, and I don't have all of the resources that I personally would like to have. And I'm like, well, I just gotta solve it, this into this, using all of that. And I'm like, if they could do it, and they even rip a plastic bag, but they have one left, and they make it work, so I can do it, too.

• 49:12Bill Simmons?

  I also, you know, doing the zero G and all that stuff where, where, but it's frantic, and they're trying to figure it out, and then these guys are just diving through, and it's really compelling to watch. This isn't a, I should have mentioned this earlier, this is a movie that was really, another one really helped out by the TVs. The TV's going wide.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 49:30Bill Simmons?

  On the rewatches, this is a big one. This was a much harder with the square and less fun to watch. They're gonna burn the engine and steer it manually, is my next scene.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:42Bill Simmons?

  Let's fucking go.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:43Bill Simmons?

  What are we doing?

• 49:44Speaker 02

  We're just staring out the window.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Just in the window. That's me, sorry.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  You better get your gimbal straight, you know, like, you better come correct with this thing.

• 49:53Bill Simmons?

  Our guy Ken saves the day. And then, uh, the last one, which I think is probably the answer, is the atmosphere reentry.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, the reentry, right?

• 50:01Bill Simmons?

  It's like one of the best five or six minutes.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  You need to rewatch everything for it to really hit that.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. Once you have Ed Harris saying, with respect, I believe it'll be our finest hour.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  And then straight into them, you know, saying goodbye to each other, and then the wait. And, you know, the, you hit three minutes.

• 50:19Bill Simmons?

  The two hundred pounds of rocks.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  And the countdown from like, three minutes to four minutes, and the flashing to all the people, and it's quiet. I mean, unbelievable stuff.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  And it's, it's almost real time.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Every time.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:31Bill Simmons?

  And Quinlan just breaking out faces.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  And not cry.

• 50:35Bill Simmons?

  It's great stuff. Um, with all due respect, sir, I think this is gonna be our finest hour. Cuts to Joe Spano, cuts back to Ed, still holding a glare for like, an extra second and a half, and then goes back to work. I love that, he really just buys into it.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Meanwhile, Nixon's like, what are the FanDuel odds on these dudes dying?

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Just tell them three to one.

• 50:58Bill Simmons?

  I gotta say Harris and Sinise are just fucking cooking in this scene. Sinise is great. I like the, the, I mean, is anything on the planet better than a control room celebration?

• 51:09Speaker 01

  No, that, that shot.

• 51:11Bill Simmons?

  All time goosebumps.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Like even the, the editing on that is so good because it gives like a quarter of a second. And so you get to watch them erupt into applause. It's really beautiful.

• 51:22Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't work as well with the NFL draft. When they make the pick and they try to do the control room celebration, but they all know what the pick was gonna be. So they've never, NBA draft's even worse.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  No, it's just a bunch of guys in quarter zips, like high fiving.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  They haven't really, they haven't staged it. The cinematography is not on par with Apollo 13.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  There's no good music.

• 51:43Bill Simmons?

  Gentlemen, it's been a privilege flying with you.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 51:48Bill Simmons?

  So what do we got? What's your most rewatchable CO2?

• 51:50Speaker 02

  It's the carbon dioxide filter for me, the fix.

• 51:53Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say CO2, but now that we've re-entered the atmosphere, I think that I'm gonna be corny and say that that's the best.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  It has to be re-entering the atmosphere, but if we can have like a favorite versus a most rewatchable, then, then re-entering the atmosphere is the most rewatchable. And like the favorite is CO2 filters.

• 52:13Bill Simmons?

  Also, when they re-enter the atmosphere, you get to have that whole mental conversation with yourself like, how the fuck did they do this?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Genuinely.

• 52:18Bill Simmons?

  The 4,000 degrees of heat, like, how did this survive? What was your most rewatchable?

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Reentry, it's gotta be reentry.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  You know, voted.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  When Hanks lets Bacon take the pilot seat, when Hanks is, he's like, oh, sorry, it's a habit. You sit here. You're like, oh, fuck yeah.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then the sign that he's taped on it saying no on the button for their limb.

• 52:41Bill Simmons?

  I also like as, as Bill Paxton slowly dies during this movie, and then at the end, when they land, Hanks like unbuckles him. You're like, oh, this guy's like really close to death.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  Even when Hanks is hugging him to warm him up.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  And no.

• 52:56Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1995 thing about this movie?

• 53:00Bill Simmons?

  I could offer you, pretty, pretty bad opening graphics for the movie. Like, I was kinda startled by, usually by the mid 90s, we had better like movie graphics. I didn't, I just wasn't impressed. Mid 90s Tom Hanks, skinny face with the receding hairline. But I'm going with the most white cast possible. I just don't think, I think even 10 years later, they're like, hey, I noticed you have 299 actors in this and 298 are white.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  But he's portraying 1970.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but still, and then there is.

• 53:33Bill Simmons?

  They could have moved, moved a couple. They didn't even think of it as my point.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  There's a hidden figures aside, if we do this now.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, there is one black man working at the retirement home.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  As an orderly.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Who the Mrs. Lovell yells at a lot, which is, it's not, it's not a great look.

• 53:50Bill Simmons?

  So I think that's the answer because in 1995, nobody was like, hey, just, just a note, I noticed this.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:57Bill Simmons?

  The Floyd Gondoli butter on my ass and lollipops in my mouth award. Have we had this since you?

• 54:03Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so, but I.

• 54:04Bill Simmons?

  For something you just enjoy. What do you have?

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Sure. The white vest. I couldn't get it on Amazon here in time. And you know, it also has a special Apollo 13 patch, so just a random white vest.

• 54:15Bill Simmons?

  The Ed Harris vest?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  That his wife made for him.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, she makes one for every mission. But you know, he, he does a lot of acting with the vest. Like in moments of like emphasis, he pulls it down. I think it's a great prop. And it tickles me.

• 54:30Bill Simmons?

  That's another Ed Harris trick with the.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:33Bill Simmons?

  Doing like really tightening the tie, you know, and there's gum chewing, like really significant gum chewing in certain scenes. They do like little stuff like that.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  How have you never gotten Gahal a white vest? How is that not a thing?

• 54:45Bill Simmons?

  You want one to have? Think about it.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Liz gives me a new vest every year for my fantasy draft.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Oh, good.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  She gives me a new vest I show up in, yeah.

• 54:51Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Floyd?

• 54:52Speaker 02

  I think it's the muse. Oh, wait, no, for, yeah, for, this is something you just enjoy.

• 54:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  I think it's the scene where Hanks refuses to look out at Mount Maryland on the moon. And some of it's like, I'm never 100% sure what his hesitation is. Is it like, this is a down moment and he doesn't think they're gonna get home? Is it like, I need to stay absolutely focused? Like what, is it because of just the disappointment that he won't be able to walk on it? But there's something inscrutable about him there that I just find like intoxicating in this movie.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  I've seen it.

• 55:23Bill Simmons?

  I have the guy who got left behind, which works in sports movies, astronaut movies, war movies, but in Miracle, the movie that they made about the 1980 US Olympic hockey team, the guy, the last cut, Ralph Cox, didn't get to be in the team, but he's like an alternate just in case. And he's just kind of behind watching everything. I think that always works.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  It's also like Rudy is more or less the guy who got left behind.

• 55:53Bill Simmons?

  For a while, yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  But then he gets in, but that's the point.

• 55:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he gets in. I wish, I wish there was a ringer person we just never hired who just, they just cut to him every once in a while. He was so close, so close for years and years, just couldn't make it. What's age the best? Houston, we have a problem, I would say has to be the winner, right?

• 56:13Speaker 02

  It's pretty good.

• 56:14Bill Simmons?

  That's, and I know it came from the mission, but then it got a reboot with the.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  They cleaned it up. It's like, okay, Houston, we have a problem. It was like a little clunkier on actual.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:25Bill Simmons?

  And really like they said, we've had a problem.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but this became, in 95, this was a, like, before memes, we were like saying this to each other. Like in the, I know, Craig, remember that? And you don't. Maybe even you don't, Rob.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  I remember pre meme life.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, come on.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is like.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  That ancient a text.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  It was like, it was like Happy Meal toys and Houston, we've had a problem. That was my playground childhood.

• 56:48Bill Simmons?

  Well, Rob and I go further with it because.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 56:51Bill Simmons?

  By the way, the air conditioning just switched to 73 and I just put it back to 68. So it was about to get hot in there.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  We're on reentry.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Okay, good. All right.

• 56:59Bill Simmons?

  So, yeah, the CO2 before we start breathing each other.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Next water's gonna be going out. It's crazy.

• 57:04Bill Simmons?

  Rob and I, with Houston, we have a problem, became just a sports thing.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 57:09Bill Simmons?

  Anytime like the Rockets have lost three in a row, Houston, we have a, like, it's the most beaten to death thing in sports, probably.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  How many basketball blogs have been written with that text or subtext? Like, it's there every single time.

• 57:19Bill Simmons?

  Like the Rockets last year, when, when it started going wrong with Durant. So anyway, it's just, it will never end. Couple more.

• 57:28Bill Simmons?

  Apollo 13, the 13 being bad luck. They do a nice job in the first 30 minutes of being like, this is number 13.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  A lot of omens.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Had to be lucky 13.

• 57:40Bill Simmons?

  You believe in that or no?

• 57:42Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  You thought about it, though.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  I thought about it. And this honestly makes a very compelling case. I wanted to revisit this in Unanswerable Questions because they take off at 13:13 PM.

• 57:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  And they enter the Earth's orbit on April 13.

• 57:58Bill Simmons?

  I have this on what stage the worst. They, they kinda court the 13 in a weird way. They're like, bring it on 13. We're gonna land on 13:13 on the 13th. Fuck you.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  They're making jokes about it.

• 58:11Bill Simmons?

  13 was like, oh, yeah? Okay.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  So I think you gotta live your life without superstition, but to your point, bringing it in and like really, really courting the 13 is almost leaning into the superstition.

• 58:25Bill Simmons?

  So I'm a 13 guy.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  You are.

• 58:28Bill Simmons?

  I'm pro 13. I remember one of the places I worked during my bartending waitering days, I was server number 13.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:37Bill Simmons?

  And I felt, I felt like it was good luck. And then my wife's birthday is on the 13th.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 58:42Bill Simmons?

  Every once in a while, it's a Friday the 13th. Guess what? She's fine. She's still alive.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  You reclaimed it.

• 58:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And I like the Friday the 13th series. There's been some good 13s in sports. I'm not afraid of 13.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Big 13 guy.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  You know who else is very pro 13?

• 58:57Bill Simmons?

  Who?

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Taylor Swift.

• 58:58Bill Simmons?

  That's another good one.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  That's one of her numbers.

• 59:00Bill Simmons?

  That's what, when I was talking to her at the wedding, same thing. Like she was telling me.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  I, you, I think I went 27 seconds on the Instagram. You got me. And I was like, I know.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  What was Zach's time? Four and a half minutes?

• 59:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 59:12Bill Simmons?

  You know what? Honestly, I would have kept it going for five minutes, but it was just the wrong person to do it to. He was so confused. But now he's spent his whole summer with people torturing him about it.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  It was good. It was good context.

• 59:24Bill Simmons?

  People go answering me like, I've gotta tell you about Taylor Swift's writing there. He's like, yeah, yeah, okay.

• 59:30Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? I could eat the ass out of a dead rhinoceros.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Really good.

• 59:34Bill Simmons?

  Apparently given to Paxton from Gary Busey, who was visiting the set that day, and who used it in Point Break three years or four years ago.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 59:43Bill Simmons?

  Before that.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:45Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best to score? We didn't mention James Horner, nominated for Oscar.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable.

• 59:50Bill Simmons?

  Really good.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  It's, and also Annie Lennox doing the voices, which, you know, what's the most 1995 thing about this movie? No, it's beautiful. It's referenced a lot in other movie scores now. It used to play on the arc light in the dome.

• 1:00:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  And I would start crying. It's very powerful.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  It's a really good one. It's also simple and straightforward in a way that it's referenced, but it's like, everyone has to have a take or an iteration. Like, we can't make a serious movie now unless Ludwig Gornson is making a flute out of a human bone. And this is just like, big swelling orchestral score with some voices.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  There's a lonely trumpet, you know?

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  The last gasp of American masculinity.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  It's very like West wingy to me in its, in its instrumentation, for sure. Or I guess vice versa.

• 1:00:29Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Loving supportive wives?

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Bill Simmons?

  I just did that as a joke for Maida.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Sure. Well, well, we'll come back to it.

• 1:00:39Bill Simmons?

  Any movie where Ed Harris has to wear a toupee?

• 1:00:43Bill Simmons?

  Because we know he, we know his hair situation. But this one was like, it's blonde. I gotta say that the back of it's a little darker. Like, there's a couple of points where you're like, eh.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Well, just-

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  But I like when he has hair. It's funny.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  The geometry of men's haircuts-

• 1:01:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  In the late 60s, early 70s, and specifically in this film- It's very square.

• 1:01:05Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  And so I guess they, they needed to add something in order to make his round head a square-

• 1:01:13Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  As, as everybody else, because no one, very few eggheads.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  It's all like military cut.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, high and tight, all the way around.

• 1:01:21Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I have the Hanks and Sinise reunion, which you mentioned, and the best use ever of Quinn Howard. Those are my What's Age the Best. Do you have any more, Rob?

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  How about the Walter Cronkite archival footage?

• 1:01:31Bill Simmons?

  It's great.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  When he takes his glasses off, and they cut to him taking his glasses off right before Neil Armstrong steps on the moon, you're like, oh, wow. Images and, and history is powerful. It's so good.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Oh. Can I give you- Oh, please.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, can I give you a What's Age the Best?

• 1:01:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Literally, the astronauts have aged so well. Astronauts live so long. Fred Hayes is still alive. Jim Lovell just died last year.

• 1:01:56Bill Simmons?

  He was 97.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Buzz Aldrin is still alive.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  They're all in their fucking mid 90s. The astronauts live forever.

• 1:02:02Bill Simmons?

  So what do you think? Outer space, like, gave them extra strength? Or did that take care of their bodies better? What is it?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, speak on it. What do you, what do you think space is doing for them?

• 1:02:11Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I-

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  I think-

• 1:02:12Bill Simmons?

  Do I have to bring conspiracy billing for this? Did they give them extra stuff?

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  You think that's what it is? You think there's something on the far side of the moon?

• 1:02:18Bill Simmons?

  CO2, even that whole episode for three hours would have shortened their lives by 10 years. You know, like, it was like, bad for your brain.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Was Fred Hayes sick in real life?

• 1:02:28Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. No, Fred Hayes in, on the mission-

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Bill Simmons?

  He had a urinary tract infection from how they had to pee in the thing.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right. Okay.

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  That's what it was.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  So, and those can get real, really serious. But even that, he's, he's doing okay.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  The real answer, unfortunately, is less, less interesting. I thought it was they got some special magic space dust that made them live forever. Apparently, one, astronauts have to be very physically fit in general. Like, you're already in the 0.01%.

• 1:02:56Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  They also, they monitor you for your whole life, and you get health checkups yearly by NASA forever.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Oh, because you're kind of a guinea pig?

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  I think they want to, like, see what's going on. So like, any, anything that's wrong with you is detected immediately.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting. Okay.

• 1:03:11Bill Simmons?

  Should we start doing that?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Honestly, that's like, Spotify's health plan.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  I'm not giving them my biometric data. Absolutely not.

• 1:03:20Bill Simmons?

  Ripping it off. What do you have for What's Age the Best?

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Um, slingshotting around the moon.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Which they, I think they do in The Martian.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Do it in everything.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  And they do it in everything. Like, I, but I get that technology. Like, I, you know, it makes sense, but I understand gravity, so good job.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  Sir Isaac Newton, take the wheel.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Thank you to the moon. Uh, Hanks' polo shirts, or Jim Lovell's polo shirts. I think, I think that needs to come back, you know? He looks great. They're the right fit.

• 1:03:44Bill Simmons?

  Not Mrs. Lovell's hair.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Not Mrs. Lovell's hair.

• 1:03:47Bill Simmons?

  That doesn't need to come back.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  The short-sleeve polo shirts. Really the only short-sleeve shirt that I would, um-

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Endorse.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Not enough short-sleeve polos, too many short-sleeve dress shirts going on in Mission Control.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  That's true. That, we don't, we want a long sleeve there and a short-sleeve polo. But he looks good. And then, um, having to turn things on in the right order to make them work. Just like my internet, just like anything else, you know?

• 1:04:10Bill Simmons?

  And even the no, when he has the no button that would have just ejected his person.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  You gotta say that one for last.

• 1:04:16Bill Simmons?

  We have a no button in the attic.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  There's a very specific order, or else this technology is not gonna work. They still have not figured that out.

• 1:04:23Bill Simmons?

  Anymore? I'm gonna move on.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  How about getting together to watch a world event that is not a sport? I wish we would do this more. I wish there were more things we could do it more.

• 1:04:33Bill Simmons?

  Like a, like a party of just-

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Like if we did good things.

• 1:04:35Bill Simmons?

  Now it's like the Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight. We all get together. Before we were landing on the moon. I don't know. We're going backwards, Rob. Great Shack Order Award? What do you have?

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  I think that wide shot of the control room-

• 1:04:51Bill Simmons?

  I had the same thing.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  It's really great.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  It's perfect. And to Craig's point, like, it can look very bad, as evidenced by all the draft night reaction shots, which even I, Mandy Dobbins, have seen. It's, it's amazing.

• 1:05:02Bill Simmons?

  I like, he, he has the camera. It's not straight on. It's to the side. So it's a wide angle and you can see, and they, they built that control room. It's not the- Apparently NASA offered it to them, and they didn't, Ron Howard wanted to build his own one.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  More practical that way.

• 1:05:18Bill Simmons?

  Big Kahuna Burger Award, best use of food and drink? I was gonna say the Jell-O in space when they're making the home movie.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Bill Simmons?

  And they're doing like the Jell-O and he's trying to get it. I think I would do that. What else are you gonna do? You're in space. No TV, anything.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. They don't, they don't really eat a lot or talk about the food that they're eating. They talk about their water rations, but-

• 1:05:36Bill Simmons?

  No, why? Because they don't want to make number twos.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:05:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're trying to-

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Well, if we can invert the question, is it actually the vomit in space? Like, the zero G vomit?

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I think it's like a great showcase for the visual effects. It's disgusting, but it, it works and is like, like, kind of shocking to see.

• 1:05:52Bill Simmons?

  In one of the, it was like oral history, one of the features they talked about when they were doing the zero G, the three guys did not get sick. They took like a whole bunch of shit, but none of them got sick, but a couple of the crew members did. And one crew member puked, and the puke went zero G and hit Paxton in the top of the head. And they had to stop, and he was like, oh, just clean it up. Let's go.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Bill Simmons?

  Um, but yeah, so the puke in slow motion. What would be worse? They, very, probably a couple of things, but it's, it's up there.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:21Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop. They played that Spirit in the Sky song.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  I think that's the one.

• 1:06:26Bill Simmons?

  That's gotta be the winner. Was there a better title for this movie?

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I like how dialed back it is.

• 1:06:33Bill Simmons?

  I don't think so either.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Because you don't want to step on Houston, we have a problem. Also, Houston, we have a problem is like a very internet-y.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  You know, in 2026, that's what they would, you know, name it for SEO or social purposes.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Do you think they knew? Like, do you think they knew the heat they had with Houston, we have a problem?

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Well, they edited it from real life, so yes.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's like, I mean, the idea that this is so good, we're gonna make it potentially the title of the movie, that it'll be the thing that endures.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  And now there's TikTok edits, like Houston was a problem.

• 1:07:05Bill Simmons?

  Mandy, you have a flex category.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  I do. This is a specific one, but it is, it's true to my heart. So I'm doing the Billy Bats, uh, Jack Wolfs Award for biting scalable insult. This is flight surgeon horseshit, Deke. Which is, I think, is a very usable phrase for any time you are dealing with administrative nonsense. For example, I had some flight surgeon horseshit just the other day with my kid's school forms. You have some flight surgeon horseshit when the TSA name doesn't match the airplane. There are just many times when it just, people are standing in your way, or not even people, but dumb rules. Anytime you're in Europe, it's flight surgeon horseshit. I think it's great.

• 1:07:52Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty good.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Especially for a mild-mannered Jim Lovell at this point. That's like the one time he yells before they get in the shuttle for flight surgeon horseshit.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. What do you got, Rob?

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  I think it's the teenagers.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  My exact answer.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  So the ki, the young kids, the young kids are good. Like the little boy we talked about at the door.

• 1:08:10Bill Simmons?

  Other sisters.

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  Older sister, Rob.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  This son, I remember at age 11-

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  We gotta get him out of here.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  He was so handsome. I thought he was so cute when I was 11. But like, he doesn't have Hanks' power of emoting in close up. And they cut to him a lot during reentry, and he's still very cute. I hope he's well.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  This is where I think if they did make it today, they would be incredibly attentive to every detail in the space shuttle. But they would consolidate four kids to like two or three kids. Like, we, we gotta simplify the family situation here. There's just, we, we don't need to flash to military school.

• 1:08:42Bill Simmons?

  Jim's mom. She's out. I think they have, they go from four kids to two.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  Wait, you, you're taking out Jim's mom?

• 1:08:49Bill Simmons?

  I think everybody's out. We're in this spaceship.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  If they could get a washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could land it. Come on.

• 1:08:55Bill Simmons?

  If no one's directing this, no one's in there.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  All of the women are dying.

• 1:08:59Bill Simmons?

  That's true.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  And I like the Odyssey very much, but like, yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Can we have fewer shots of Marilyn? Can she be opposite her radio more often? You know, there's, there's ways to nullify this, but that's, that's messed up. You're taking out his mom.

• 1:09:12Bill Simmons?

  I had, um-

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  I think it's funny when they have Neil Armstrong come over and they put him on mom duty.

• 1:09:17Bill Simmons?

  That's the path for the bomb.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  So, did, did Jim make Eagle Scout? That's really funny to me.

• 1:09:24Bill Simmons?

  Jimmy could land a washing machine.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  I'm so good. Like, Jimmy could land it. It's so good.

• 1:09:28Bill Simmons?

  We don't need it.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  She's flinty.

• 1:09:30Bill Simmons?

  The movie's two hours 20 minutes. We could have cut some family. I have, uh, for Butch's Girlfriend. It's funny, I don't like that there's no reunion ending.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:09:42Bill Simmons?

  So they land, everything's great.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:44Bill Simmons?

  Then we see them on the plane.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:46Bill Simmons?

  And they're dressed in the, but obviously they're not home yet.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  On the aircraft carrier, probably.

• 1:09:51Bill Simmons?

  So they get greeted by people I don't know. Like, I would have much rather they landed in Houston and we had Sinise and Hanks and Sinise and, like, basically like the Top Gun ending.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Bill Simmons?

  But, um, I'm corny and I, I like stupid shit. I just would have rather had that than, hey, here's some strangers greeting you.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Well, they traded it for a different kind of corniness, which I think like the Admiral of that ship, that you have a lingering shot of Hanks with is-

• 1:10:15Bill Simmons?

  Is Jim, right?

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Real-life Jim Lovell.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  So like, you're getting that kind of moment instead of the character closure a little bit.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  I think it's good that they don't prolong it, because then you run the risk of having to say more of the feelings and the takeaways. And even in that very brief voiceover, he says that we were called the successful failure in that we blah, blah, blah.

• 1:10:34Bill Simmons?

  So you wouldn't want to the older daughter one more time?

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Right. And I'm just like, the more that you actually have to show the emotional moments, then-

• 1:10:44Bill Simmons?

  I just kind of wanted Sinise. I wish Sinise had been in the last scene.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  But he's so great. His reaction in reentry.

• 1:10:50Bill Simmons?

  Ed Harris could have just had a dart and-

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  It's good to see. Yeah.

• 1:10:54Bill Simmons?

  Did you have a weak link or no?

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  I also, the kids.

• 1:10:57Bill Simmons?

  Okay. What's Age the Worst? Uh, I mentioned this earlier, but Apollo 13, just leaning the 13 for no reason.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:05Bill Simmons?

  Just kind of tempting the 13 gods. There's a couple fade-to-black jump cuts-

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:11Bill Simmons?

  That just would not happen now. Like, it's kind of-

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  I thought my internet cut out. Yeah.

• 1:11:18Bill Simmons?

  Catherine Quinlan's haircut we mentioned. I wrote, "Get the grandmother out of here" with three exclamation points, but Rob disagrees.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  I'm coming back on that.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  I'm kinda with Rob on this, just for the Eagles.

• 1:11:27Bill Simmons?

  Played by Ron Howard's.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Bill Simmons?

  This is a classic Judd Apatow. I'm just gonna start putting my family in here.

• 1:11:34Bill Simmons?

  So, oh, I had the oldest daughter's ugly cry face. My big one was For What's Age the Worst. Poor, poor Jack in real life gets kind of, kind of crushed by this movie. Makes it seem like he's unprepared and he's like a cad.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Oh, the real Jack Spiker. Yeah.

• 1:11:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and I get it, but this is the problem with the based on a true story, even though it's accurate, but everyone says Jack was super familiar with all this stuff. He was basically like the backup QB.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Bill Simmons?

  On the crew. It wasn't like, it was like, oh shit, we gotta throw him in. And I don't know, if I was in his family, this movie would piss me off. Like, why'd they do that to dad?

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Maybe he would have gotten more simulator time if Sinise wasn't such a perfectionist. And it's like, we gotta run it again. We gotta run it again. It's like, I mean, what do you expect? You haven't let him get in the machine.

• 1:12:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't, this makes it seem, like, when you watched this, did you feel like Jack was kind of like the wild card?

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  Well, one of my notes was that I wanted to ask if that was real or not, that this guy was actually kind of underprepared, because it, I'm like, what is NASA doing? Why would they ever allow that, this guy just to come in? Why wouldn't they just push the launch?

• 1:12:39Bill Simmons?

  Always a tough beat in these autobiographical movies when they have to Hollywood up one of the characters.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  Like, still in the AFC Championship. They're not, you know, if you can push that, you're doing it.

• 1:12:49Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for What's Age the Worst?

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Well, I already said the heat shield.

• 1:12:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  And then, because apparently we haven't locked that down, though everyone's okay. And I will say the VFX, some of the, like, the paint chips falling off.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  The Saturn V launch, you know, you can, you can tell now, the further we get from it, the more you can see the very small effects.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Good point.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  But it's really, it's really small, and they do so much of it in camera that I, I shouldn't complain.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. For me, it's the teenage daughter again, specifically blaming Paul for breaking up the Beatles. No.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Real ones know it's Alan Klein.

• 1:13:25Bill Simmons?

  Tough character.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  That is true.

• 1:13:27Bill Simmons?

  Has there ever been a movie like this where they have the 13, was she like 13, 14, 12?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Bill Simmons?

  Has that, has that character ever been likeable in any movie ever?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  It's a tough part.

• 1:13:38Bill Simmons?

  Cause I don't feel like, I kinda liked my daughter when she was 13. I don't remember her.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  How old is the Moneyball daughter?

• 1:13:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a really good character.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  But she might only be 10.

• 1:13:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's like 10.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, but she sings.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  There are people who, like, that's the most maligned part of the movie for some people. I, it works on me. The song hits me hard in the end.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Those people aren't girl dads.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  I mean, it's true.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Come on, when she's.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  I'm just a little bit caught in the middle, you know?

• 1:14:00Bill Simmons?

  I've been rewatching Homeland.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:14:02Bill Simmons?

  Speaking of teenage daughters. Gets really tough for her.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Actually, that's one, the Americans, the teenagers on the Americans, I feel like are actually quite good. It, it can be done. It's just, it's tough. You gotta give them a lot to do to make it worth it.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Gilmore Girls, no. Everyone is very mean about Rory.

• 1:14:16Bill Simmons?

  Just don't think we've figured this out. Ruffalo Hannah Rubinek Partridge overacting. I wrote down, "And this is Flight Surgeon Horseshit!"

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  It's not overacting. That's perfect.

• 1:14:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  I forgot to look up Henry, the press officer's name.

• 1:14:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  But that actor is leaning a little too hard into I'm the evil press officer, you know? He is quite two-faced.

• 1:14:40Bill Simmons?

  He was, he was pushing.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  And I don't feel that NASA was managing the, the family and as well as they could have. But, you know, Henry really took every opportunity to play the Nixon.

• 1:14:52Bill Simmons?

  They were looking for anybody who just wasn't a nice guy, rooting for the, rooting for the mission. Taking one more break and then Rob's gotta flex.

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• 1:16:30Bill Simmons?

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• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  I am going to put some respect on Gene Spiegel's name, because I did the Estelle Reiner, I'll Have What She's Having award for the best contribution by a performer with two or fewer lines. Not only because it fits the criteria of the award, but the spirit, right? Like, casting your own mom, Allah, Estelle Reiner, to do basically two lines in this movie, and specifically, the, if you could get, if you could get a washing machine to fly, my, my Jimmy could do it. I'm legit, like, tearing up at that moment. I don't, I can't explain to you why, but the, the inversion of like the little girl crying into grandma who just had a stroke, giving you all the confidence you need to run through a wall, I love it. I love the nepotism, is what I'm saying.

• 1:17:42Bill Simmons?

  Took, it took out her, took out her false teeth. Took, cause they, Howard was worried she didn't look old enough, and she, the, his mom literally took out her, her dentures.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Wow, she went method.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:17:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you can kinda see it.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Runs in the family.

• 1:17:55Bill Simmons?

  For crying out, like, version of the thing.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  But there are really so many Howards in this movie. Like, Clint is in it, we talked about. Ron Howard's dad's in it. Bryce is in here somewhere. Like, there's, I think Ron Howard's wife is in here somewhere. He perfected the art.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  This is a family movie.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:18:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Listen, as somebody, my daughter's been on my podcast like 25 times. I can't really say anything.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Bill Simmons?

  I'm just gonna move on to the next category.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  My son wants to do a podcast with Little Caesar about pizza. He's four.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Little Caesar himself?

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Pizza Pizza, yes. That's what it's called.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Would listen.

• 1:18:26Bill Simmons?

  Ooh, Amanda has, we never get to do this category. Amanda here.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  It's really exciting.

• 1:18:30Bill Simmons?

  Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Tough movie for this category.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Can I just say, every time you do it, even if I'm not here, I feel understood and loved. So, thank you for this category. Also, there's a great answer. Mount Maryland.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  It's the moon, right?

• 1:18:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Mount Maryland. No, it's, it is Mount Maryland on the moon.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Specifically, Mount Maryland?

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, name a piece of space after me, okay? And not one of the stars you buy in the star directory. There are, you know, infinity of those. Give me a landmark on the moon. Mount Amanda. The Sea of Amanda. Let's go.

• 1:19:00Bill Simmons?

  Pretty good.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Bill Simmons?

  We, we did.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  See, I can always find a real estate opportunity.

• 1:19:05Bill Simmons?

  We did Speed and, and I think we handed out the Dobbins Real Estate for Hopper's House that he blows up in that movie. It's got a really nice corner lot, one story, nice views, just blows it up.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's tough.

• 1:19:19Bill Simmons?

  The Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? What do you got?

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  I think when the Soviet Union fell, that America fell too. Like, we, we are clearly capable of doing cool things, but we need a rival. Like, we need to feel the heat from the other side of the plane. A superpower all the way over there to work against. We just don't do that anymore. We're unfocused, we're unharnessed, we're like completely uninterested. We have lost the stakes of everything. I just think we need to do cool things. And Kennedy was like, by the end of the decade, we're making it to the moon, and we did it, not because it's easy or because it was hard, but because it was a race, we decided we need to fucking win.

• 1:19:59Bill Simmons?

  It's a challenge.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  I just think we need, we need rivals, you know?

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  We spent 30 years running up the score against nobody.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  It's really good. It's really good.

• 1:20:06Bill Simmons?

  Mine is tangentially related. This movie should just make people respect Elon Musk more. You know, he cares about getting into space.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:20:15Bill Simmons?

  Put some respect on that guy's name. How does take?

• 1:20:21Bill Simmons?

  He cares about electric cars.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:23Bill Simmons?

  Getting us to the moon.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Bill Simmons?

  Communicating.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Is he trying to get, is he trying to get to the moon? I have to be honest, I have not followed.

• 1:20:31Bill Simmons?

  SpaceX.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Exactly what he wants to do with SpaceX.

• 1:20:33Speaker 03

  I think it's Mars.

• 1:20:34Bill Simmons?

  Putting satellites.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mars.

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  He's really focused on Mars.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  He is focused on Mars and Bezos.

• 1:20:38Bill Simmons?

  By the way, I'm interested in Mars.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  We do need to get to Mars.

• 1:20:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, let's see what's up there.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Doing? What's, why?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Ambition.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Matt Damon is there waiting for us.

• 1:20:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Matt Damon's there.

• 1:20:46Speaker 03

  China needs to say, we're going to Mars and then we're.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  This is what I'm saying.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Like, we crossed an ocean, we fought for independence, we pioneered the West, we shot ourselves into the sky. We need boots on Mars for any reason that we decide.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for a hot stick?

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  I already did mine, two for one Oscar trade.

• 1:21:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Casting whittits, mention Costner.

• 1:21:06Bill Simmons?

  Hanks turned down Jumanji to be in this.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Good decision, sir.

• 1:21:09Bill Simmons?

  Smart move.

• 1:21:12Bill Simmons?

  This is honestly, it could almost be its own category. One of my favorite casting whittits we've had in a while. Because of his interest in aviation, John Travolta asked Howard for the role of Jim Lovell. He was politely turned down.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  But would this be before Pulp Fiction?

• 1:21:31Bill Simmons?

  After.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Or after?

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  Right after, right?

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, better than before, you know? Did you see John Travolta's 60-minute film about aviation that premiered at the Cannes Film Festival? It's available on Apple TV.

• 1:21:45Bill Simmons?

  Where he wore the beret?

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. The series of berets.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  Isn't it called like, I Am a Pilot? What's it called?

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Something like that. It's an adaptation of the children and or young adults book that he himself wrote about a child's first airplane trip. It's really not a movie, but I did watch all of it. And I think they filmed at the TWA Hotel in part.

• 1:22:04Bill Simmons?

  We just don't spend enough time talking about how crazy some of our favorite actors are.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  What I'm learning is a lot of men of a certain age love aviation. Like, is this ahead of all of us? I don't really know.

• 1:22:14Bill Simmons?

  It's like the last way they can feel alive, maybe just flipping a plane around. Premiere Magazine, right there, which I read the article about Apollo 13. They said Travolta also lost out to Ed Harris for Gene.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  It's the right decision.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  But I'm, I'm sure that hurt.

• 1:22:31Bill Simmons?

  Would have been some good Travolta faces, though. I wonder if he would have smoked. I love when Travolta smokes, like, he's clearly never held cigarettes.

• 1:22:39Bill Simmons?

  John Cusack, Patrick Swayze, Joe Pesci, and Rick Moranis, according to Half-Assed Internet Research, were all offered the role of Fred and all turned it down and went to Bill Paxton.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22:49Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if I can fully believe that Joe Pesci is Fred. I'm not, that one didn't pass the sniff test for me. Joe Pesci is gonna be one of the three astronauts on Apollo 13?

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  As a cut-up, maybe, like, the comedic energy, I could kind of understand.

• 1:23:06Bill Simmons?

  It could seem in the control room, but not in the spaceship.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Can't see him with the haircut.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:23:09Bill Simmons?

  I also honestly can't see Rick Moranis either.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  I think Rick Moranis as Clint Howard, like, in the, in the control room would be great.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:17Bill Simmons?

  This one I did believe. Brad Pitt offered the role of Jack, but turned it down because of Seven.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  I was wondering about this.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  It worked out for everybody. I think that's the right decision. And he would have been too distracting.

• 1:23:28Bill Simmons?

  You know who it didn't work out for?

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Who?

• 1:23:30Bill Simmons?

  What's in the box? What's in the box? Apparently Val Kilmer also turned down Jack. He was filming The Ghost in the Darkness.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Well, it's also a little too Iceman, but.

• 1:23:43Bill Simmons?

  But, I don't know.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Bill Simmons?

  Decent Val Kilmer vehicle.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:23:45Bill Simmons?

  It would have been, not, not intrigued, but. Tom Hanks was cast, Ron Howard said, Gary, I need to pick your part. And he picked, he picked Ken.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Bill Simmons?

  He liked that one. He said, when I looked at it, I said, I want to play that guy. Without him, they won't get back. And then, I don't know if I believe this, but Kelsey Grammer and Christopher Lloyd turned down Gene.

• 1:24:10Bill Simmons?

  Christopher Lloyd, mid 90s Christopher Lloyd as Gene?

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  We can't do, none of those.

• 1:24:14Bill Simmons?

  I don't believe that one. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy.

• 1:24:19Bill Simmons?

  Our guy Todd Luizo is in this, the Manny from Jerry Maguire is in the control room.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Bill Simmons?

  Clint Howard, Lauren Dean? Is he that guy? Is he Lauren Dean?

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  I think he is. Is he that well-known? To me, he's just the detective from Gattaca.

• 1:24:33Bill Simmons?

  And he was what, Bugsy, one of those? For me, for my generation, is Joe Spano, the guy that Ed Harris side-ed, because he was an actual cast member of Hill Street Blues, which was the best TV drama from like 1981, 80. There's a TV drama championship belt. It has it for like five years. And he was on that show and you just see him. It's like, oh, that guy from Hill Street Blues. But I think the answer is Todd Luizo.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  He's a good one.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Okay, and Clint Howard is too well-known to.

• 1:25:01Bill Simmons?

  I think he's Clint Howard.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  What about, so Tom?

• 1:25:04Bill Simmons?

  There's a couple others, I don't even know the guys' names.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, to me, all of the control room.

• 1:25:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a bunch of that.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Is that that guy going forward? Where I'm like, oh, it's that guy from the control room in Apollo 13.

• 1:25:15Bill Simmons?

  Because there's one guy that kind of looks like Dennis Leary. He's the that guy. I don't know what his name is.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  I think that's Ray McKinnon from Deadwood.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  At some point.

• 1:25:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  That guy's good. All, all the control.

• 1:25:24Bill Simmons?

  And then the kind of the handsome guy who's, is working with Gene Harris.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Bill Simmons?

  And it's like, he has something a little sinister about him, but he's holding it in.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what that guy's name is. Dionne Waiters, a word, I narrowed it down to Clint Howard, Jim's mom, and Walter Cronkite.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:42Bill Simmons?

  Walter Cronkite, eligible.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  Walter Cronkite, then.

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  Steals the show.

• 1:25:45Bill Simmons?

  I think it's Cronkite.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's also, so I guess they, is the footage of this science expert that they keep cutting to new or is that real?

• 1:25:57Bill Simmons?

  I thought all that TV stuff was old.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  I thought so, but you're, you're a resident scientist. You're the one who's bringing the heat shields.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  There is a minute, yeah. Um, well, when he's sitting there with the blowtorch.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  I was kind of like, I can't believe that they are allowing this fake science experiment on live TV in 1970.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  I will say, as a child of the 70s, whenever these people were on TV, you just completely assumed that they knew what they were talking about and you believed them 100%. Never doubted their information.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  And you still feel that way today.

• 1:26:27Bill Simmons?

  No, I do not. I do not. This somehow probably turned near by the end of the 80s.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:32Bill Simmons?

  But in the 70s, if one of those people came on, I'd be like, yeah, that's, this is Bob. This is what he does.

• 1:26:39Bill Simmons?

  Recasting Couch Director City. I have a really good one for this, but did you guys have anything? Is there anybody you would change?

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Maybe I'm just Gene-pilled, but like, what about Gene Hackman for Gene? What if you swapped Gene Hackman for Ed Harris? Is he too?

• 1:26:51Bill Simmons?

  As a Gene?

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Is the energy off? Is he like a little too shadowy, mysterious, nefarious for that part?

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  Is this, what year is Crimson Tide?

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Before this.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  This is before this. Where, so, he's more, do you have the association of like the evil?

• 1:27:09Bill Simmons?

  Gene Hackman's a bad choice, because I love Gene Hackman.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  Same year Crimson Tide.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting. Oh, okay. I don't know how I feel about that.

• 1:27:16Bill Simmons?

  I really do love Ed Harris in this, though.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, it's an impeccably cast movie, I think, for the most part. It's hard to find.

• 1:27:22Bill Simmons?

  I wonder if the Bacon one, could we have gone one level up from Stardom with that one?

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  I think Brad Pitt is the one level up from Stardom. Although at this point, it's like 12 monkeys, Brad Pitt.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  But then that's imbalanced. Like, you need Hanks in the center.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:35Bill Simmons?

  Can you get in the car with me and test drive Tom Cruise as Jack? Just for a split second?

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  Oh, I think we absolutely need to.

• 1:27:41Bill Simmons?

  Playing a 60s cad?

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Wow. I mean, I say yes to that.

• 1:27:45Bill Simmons?

  Being Tom Cruise?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Tell me he can do, when you feel the beer bottle slide in, just write monologue. I think the question with him is, would you believe the like, crisis of confidence part that Kevin Bacon has?

• 1:27:56Bill Simmons?

  With Tom Cruise, right.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  He's like scared to flip switches at a certain point. I don't know if I would buy that with Cruise, but I would love to see it.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  But you could see him getting mad about that we're coming in too shallow and I'll just hold my breath and all that stuff. I have one more for you.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  Kathy for Jack Ross.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  We already said that we appreciate Kathy and Quinlan in this role. And maybe Julianne Moore is a little too young for it, but I just imagine Julianne Moore doing, you can take it up with my husband. He'll be home on Friday. I would enjoy it.

• 1:28:27Bill Simmons?

  That's really good.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  That's all.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  It gets a little more Mickey Mouse every time you do it somehow.

• 1:28:34Bill Simmons?

  I have, for recasting, Denzel's character from Flight in the Jack, in the Kevin Bacon part.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Bill Simmons?

  Where he's like, he shows up for the mission, but he's fucking been doing cocaine and having sex all night and he hasn't slept.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  And he's that age, too.

• 1:28:53Bill Simmons?

  And Jim's like, the banana boats are coming.

• 1:28:57Bill Simmons?

  Train company now, big dog.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Couple little shooters floating around, zero gravity.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:29:03Bill Simmons?

  Drugs. Craig, you have a flex. What do you got?

• 1:29:06Speaker 03

  I'm gonna do Todd Parker Award, Best Character Entrance, but like understated edition. I really like when they're just like Buzz and Neil are here.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  And you're like, oh, shit. What do you need to say the full name? And just like, it ups the stakes so much in the movie? Like, you really feel the weight when like they come in the living room, sit down and just cross their arms and watch the screen? You're like, all right, okay. This is game seven.

• 1:29:28Bill Simmons?

  Those guys are so fucking cool. There's that video of Buzz Aldrin punching the guy when he's old.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Bill Simmons?

  When Buzz is old and that guy's harassing him and Buzz is just like cold cocked.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 1:29:39Bill Simmons?

  It's the best. It's like, what?

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  Because it was a moon landing denial, right?

• 1:29:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:44Bill Simmons?

  Half-Assed Internet Research, we mentioned Spielberg. They filmed for four hours, basically, in the zero G, doing zero G maneuvers, which sounds, that, I mean, The Odyssey is a 10 out of 10 for what sounds like the worst shoot.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Bill Simmons?

  Being on the boat and stuff. This sounds like a nine and a half.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  So this was the, so they would take off in the quote-unquote vomit comet.

• 1:30:04Bill Simmons?

  Fly around.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Right. And they had like 20, 25 seconds of zero G.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  They did that non-stop for four hours.

• 1:30:11Bill Simmons?

  That sounds a lot. Sounds a lot easier just to do Tango and Cash.

• 1:30:18Bill Simmons?

  They, Universal Studio, they had two life-sized replicas of the command module and the lunar module. They lowered the spaceship stuff to 38 degrees, so it was really that cold in there.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:29Bill Simmons?

  The splashdown sequence at the end, when they rescue Hanks, where do you think that took place?

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  I know the answer, so.

• 1:30:35Bill Simmons?

  Where do you think that took place?

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Santa Barbara? Where is it?

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  San Diego.

• 1:30:41Bill Simmons?

  A large artificial lake on the Universal lot.

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  No way.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  I know, but now I really want to go find the, the lake on the lot.

• 1:30:48Bill Simmons?

  Where is the artificial lake on the Universal lot?

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  Is it like behind Bates Motel, which is still there?

• 1:30:56Bill Simmons?

  I want to check it out.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Is that on the tour?

• 1:31:00Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jaws comes out of the artificial lake.

• 1:31:03Bill Simmons?

  See Jim being rescued.

• 1:31:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the Iwo Jima USS Iwo Jima, it did not exist anymore when they did Apollo 13. So they had to use its sister ship, the New Orleans.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:19Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh,

• 1:31:22Bill Simmons?

  Bacon was, in the oral history, was raving about when they all went to US Space Camp, how smart, um, Hanks was. And then he said Bill Paxton, but really Hanks, like, learning all this stuff. And he was like, that guy could have flown a fucking rocket. Like, Hanks was like, just absorbing everything like an absolute maniac.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Really clearly wants to be an astronaut. Yeah.

• 1:31:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He's, and they were taught all these things. They were, they really wanted them to be like the buttons secondhand. So it felt real and Hanks took it seriously.

• 1:31:53Bill Simmons?

  Not like Tom Cruise learning how to flip beer bottles and cocktail, but close.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Close.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:56Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  I had one that blew my mind, which is, I didn't, it didn't really crystallize for me until watching it this time, that this movie invented the phrase, "Failure is not an option." Like,

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  to, to a degree that Gene Krantz, the actual guy who ran Mission Control, became so associated with him, he never said it. It was something that came up as they were talking to other Mission Control people researching for this movie. And someone just kind of mentioned it offhand. They're like, basically the vibe was failure is not an option. But it was not a phrase in the lexicon. It became so associated with Gene Krantz, he titled his own book, Something He Did Not Say, Failure Is Not An Option. I mean, pretty insane.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  It's good branding.

• 1:32:32Bill Simmons?

  I think you go like, yeah, I did, I think I did say that.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  I may have said it offhand somewhere in there.

• 1:32:37Bill Simmons?

  Kind of vaguely remember that.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  They have the transcripts.

• 1:32:40Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  So then you get added as a liar and that's worse.

• 1:32:43Bill Simmons?

  I was in the men's room. I remember saying to somebody.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  I wrote it down.

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  I think it's, I think it's cooler just to say, hey, that's a good line. I'll use it. I accept.

• 1:32:52Bill Simmons?

  Well, that was one of the things in the half ass was, uh, Gene is the only person in charge of everything in the control room for like however many days. And there was another guy named Glenn Lunny, who was the second team. And he's just basically not in it. Glenn got the shaft. Marilyn Lavelle really did lose her ring down the drain, but she found it.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Okay, good. How? Do we know? What are you supposed to, what do you do in that situation?

• 1:33:17Bill Simmons?

  Pull the drain up.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  But a lot of those hotel ones, they don't even have, like, you can't even pull it off.

• 1:33:21Bill Simmons?

  That would be disgusting.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  I, I don't want.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  You might just want to leave it down there at that point.

• 1:33:25Bill Simmons?

  This is my favorite one, though. Kevin Bacon has now played a character named Jack in Frost Nixon, My Dog Skip, Paul 13, Few Good Men, Quicksilver, and Friday the 13th. And then played Jackie on City of the Hill.

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:41Bill Simmons?

  Seven Jacks or Jackies? Which I'm guessing is the record. And Jack was a name that didn't, like, I didn't go to college or high school with any Jacks.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  It's back now.

• 1:33:52Bill Simmons?

  Jack.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Is it back?

• 1:33:53Bill Simmons?

  Jack has been back for 15 years.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:55Bill Simmons?

  It's every, every kid's name.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Where you don't meet a Chris or a Ben or something.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  So you're saying there's a young actor out there. Jacob Elordi could some, they played 12 Jacks and could take the title from Bacon.

• 1:34:07Bill Simmons?

  Kevin Bacon, Seven Jack. That's the record, Seven Jacks. Apex Mountain.

• 1:34:14Bill Simmons?

  Hanks might, this might be it.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Is this it?

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  It just depends on where you want to put it in that sweet spot. Right? We're there.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  Because he also has Toy Story this year.

• 1:34:24Bill Simmons?

  It's, we're here. Tom Hanks's Apex Mountain is bigger than the other mountains.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:34:30Bill Simmons?

  He's just way up there for a while.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:32Bill Simmons?

  But it's somewhere between.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  Has like several summits? Is that how mountains work?

• 1:34:36Bill Simmons?

  Between winning the Oscar for Forrest Gump, but then filming this movie and voicing Toy Story, I think it's probably right there.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:34:44Bill Simmons?

  I think filming this movie was Apex Mountain.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Counterpoint is Apex Mountain for Hanks really having the juice to be like, I shall do lady killers. You know, like the, the like, no one can say no to me point in his career. Where he's done Saving Private Ryan by that point. He's done like, not only this, but so much more.

• 1:34:59Bill Simmons?

  Thing you do.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is a wonderful film.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  A future rewatching it.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Should we sing it for you now?

• 1:35:06Bill Simmons?

  But he's like, I'm doing this and I'm going to direct it. And they're like, okay, Tom Hanks.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  You know who has one of her first roles in That Thing You Do? Your girl Charlize. How do you like that, Matt?

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. I wouldn't say she comes off great in it.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  No, but she's used well.

• 1:35:22Bill Simmons?

  Just an icon.

• 1:35:25Bill Simmons?

  Ron Howard, Apex Mountain? Probably Beautiful Mind?

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  I guess so.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  Probably for the acclaim alone.

• 1:35:31Bill Simmons?

  Sinise, we're in the, we're in the mix right here with him.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  Forrest Gump.

• 1:35:35Bill Simmons?

  This.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:36Bill Simmons?

  It's all going to lead someday to him doing nine years of CSI.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  And living a great life.

• 1:35:41Bill Simmons?

  It's like, what's that blood pattern? Uh, Kevin Bacon? I don't know what his, I, they.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:49Bill Simmons?

  It's probably in the eighties. It's probably like Footloose. That sets up like the next 40 years.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  I think that makes sense.

• 1:35:57Bill Simmons?

  Houston?

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  I thought about this too.

• 1:35:59Bill Simmons?

  City of Houston?

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  The only other thing I came up with for Houston is 1981, which is when Houston gave us Beyonce. Is that the only competitive point in time?

• 1:36:08Bill Simmons?

  1981, Houston made the finals in the, in the NBA.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  But this is also when they won the finals. So, right, so Apollo 13, Houston, we got, have a problem coinciding with the Rockets winning back to back, basically.

• 1:36:19Bill Simmons?

  That's the answer.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  Is that it?

• 1:36:20Bill Simmons?

  Rockets win. They've lost the Oilers, though.

• 1:36:25Speaker 01

  Do you think the Rockets should incorporate more space themes into their jerseys and stuff?

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  They're starting to.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  Bring it back?

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  They're bringing it back. They have like a little astronaut alt now. Like, they got some stuff going on.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Lean into it.

• 1:36:35Bill Simmons?

  You know, Rollerball, which is up there somewhere. That team was in Houston, too.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  The team from Rollerball?

• 1:36:43Bill Simmons?

  The team from Rollerball in the future, set in Houston.

• 1:36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Bill Simmons?

  Something about Houston in the future and space. Yeah. Then you go there and it's just highways and everything is an hour from everything else.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:58Bill Simmons?

  Ed Harris?

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Hmm. So he is Oscar nominated.

• 1:37:03Bill Simmons?

  He's having an incredible nineties run here because it, The Firm, he's in The Rock, like, he's just.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:09Bill Simmons?

  He's in China Moon with Madeline Stowe.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  Is he nominated for Truman Show?

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  If he wasn't, it was a travesty.

• 1:37:16Bill Simmons?

  Can't remember, even though we did that six months ago.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  Speaking of great berets, like, just impeccable work by him.

• 1:37:20Bill Simmons?

  It's somewhere between here and Truman Show, I don't know where. Kathleen Quinlan.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  I mean, she gets the Oscar now. Yeah.

• 1:37:29Bill Simmons?

  Brian Grazer? Producer? This has a Brian Grazer production at the beginning instead of Imagine. So, I don't know, maybe. Space movies?

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  I don't think it can.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think so. I mean.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  Star Wars, 2001.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you had Steven Spielberg here talking about, which chair did Steven sit in? In mine? Oh, my God.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  I, excuse you, Mr. Spielberg. No, I'm not on a first name basis.

• 1:37:55Bill Simmons?

  And that Rob sat in the seat when, when, uh, when Sean had the criteria orgasm.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:38:00Bill Simmons?

  That Steven.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  Did you get this laundered or do I need to get up?

• 1:38:03Bill Simmons?

  And Sean, just like, all of his vertebrae just collapsed and his back.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  They had a joint criteria orgasm together.

• 1:38:09Bill Simmons?

  It was, and I was just like, what's happening?

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  It's very rare.

• 1:38:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, unbelievable. I've never seen a human react like Sean did. It was amazing. Uh, American idealism, Apex Mountain?

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  I think I made the pitch.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  American ingenuity.

• 1:38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  Wait, is it 95 or in 1970?

• 1:38:26Bill Simmons?

  1970.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Oh, in this movie.

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure. 95, we're grasping at it. We're like trying to hold on and it's already gone.

• 1:38:33Bill Simmons?

  95, we're moving more toward Monica Lewinsky and Howard Stern, Private Parts and Jerry Springer. Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  I think it's Hanks.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Hanks.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, you already made the case for just why not both? Why not put Cruise in for Bacon?

• 1:38:47Bill Simmons?

  I like it. Jack would have been fun.

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:49Bill Simmons?

  Fortune 3 Clap Award for Best Giffable Moment.

• 1:38:54Bill Simmons?

  I think it's Harris collapsing after, after they make it.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:38:58Bill Simmons?

  Getting welling up.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:39:00Bill Simmons?

  For the, we, like Miami trades for Giannis and you do the Ed Harris.

• 1:39:04Speaker 01

  Well, so.

• 1:39:05Bill Simmons?

  Collapse back.

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  When I read this on the doc, not having rewatched the movie, that is what I thought. But I forgot that it cuts away from him for a second and then it goes back to an incredible gif of him doing a double thumbs up. Straight to the camera. Which, if that's not a meme, I mean, that seems like a real, like Leo and Gatsby champagne glass. You know, just double thumbs, very good.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  Double thumbs up is within our power to make happen.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  But is, also, is this not, Houston, we have a problem with the subtitle? Is that not just the, the gifable moment?

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  Or just the face because it's straight, you don't even need the subtitle. You know, we, we know what that means.

• 1:39:40Bill Simmons?

  There's a Sinise, uh, a quiet fist pump that he does too.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:44Bill Simmons?

  That could be in there. Sean Penn, I brought my own pack of wood. Excellence in on-screen smoking, I just want to honor Ed Harris.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Bill Simmons?

  I felt like those were real cigarettes. Like, do you want to use the clove cinnamon ones? He's like, fuck no, I'm using the real ones.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  I thought about the who was made hotter by smoking award for this movie for all of the dudes in the control room who like.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Kind of have a little aura going on just by like, I mean, yeah. They're doing math for 90% of the movie and then they just get to like rip pipes for no reason.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  And they pull it out.

• 1:40:11Bill Simmons?

  Big cigars at the end. The cigars at the end are great.

• 1:40:15Bill Simmons?

  Picking nits. Speaking of cigarette smoking, not enough. This is 1970. Everybody in that control room's smoking. When they're cut into the house. I think everybody except the kids are fucking smoking. It's just like a smoke fest.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Right. In 95, what was, what were the rules in terms of ratings?

• 1:40:35Bill Simmons?

  I think Ron Howard was just trying to be like, yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:38Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of like people just putting a cigarette out.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:41Bill Simmons?

  Or people lighting a cigarette but not actually smoking the cigarette, so. You mentioned the failures, not an option. And, uh, in the Houston, we, we've had a problem.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:54Bill Simmons?

  And then, um, people were upset that they had astronauts arguing in the spaceship. The real astronauts were like, what the fuck? We would never argued like that. That was it.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:05Bill Simmons?

  Not a lot of nitpicks.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Can I have, can I add one parenting nitpick? Letting the smallest child watch the live broadcast where you don't know whether your husband is coming back from space.

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  That's a tough one.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  He's very young.

• 1:41:19Bill Simmons?

  How old was that kid?

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  I understand, I mean, he's like maybe four?

• 1:41:24Bill Simmons?

  I'm not the one to ask, cause we took Ben to the Michael Myers where he murdered everybody in the last 45 minutes of Halloween and put a mask on him and he was like three?

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  That's different. That's not your own, your own dad. And I, listen, I know it's like in parenting vogue to not hide children from their feelings and they're supposed to feel all this stuff. And like everyone else in the house is there. You're gonna have to tell them at some point. But it's essentially like letting your four-year-old watch his own father's snuff film. If it doesn't pan out, it's like not a memory he wants to have.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Just my take. Also, Mary Hayes, they have babies, like two and three-year-olds and they're all just sitting there all in front of the TV.

• 1:42:04Bill Simmons?

  She got the shaft in this movie.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's tough.

• 1:42:06Bill Simmons?

  Like one scene of her just in the bedroom.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  She just gets to be pregnant and have a still photo.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  I had one other nit, which is when everyone's getting together for that emergency landing that all the kids are inexplicably at, these two women are walking through the kitchen and they drop a bowl of salad. And like 10% of the salad falls out.

• 1:42:24Bill Simmons?

  And they put it back in the bowl.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  And they just start putting it back. Yep, yep. This is how the parasite started.

• 1:42:29Bill Simmons?

  1970. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast or untouchable? This has to be untouchable.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  Untouchable.

• 1:42:37Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, anyone else?

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  Are we allowed to do this without Chris?

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, I was just gonna say.

• 1:42:46Bill Simmons?

  I'm happy to skip.

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  No, no, I mean, I feel.

• 1:42:48Bill Simmons?

  I'm also happy to do Barney from The Vanishing or any other imitation I have.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Chris Ryan does love this movie and he's, he's not with us. It would be funny to hear him doing Wayne Jenkins as an astronaut.

• 1:42:58Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Like I do think that that could work.

• 1:43:02Bill Simmons?

  When like Jack lands the plane?

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:04Bill Simmons?

  God damn, Jack!

• 1:43:08Bill Simmons?

  Just want to ask her who gets it. The movie?

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  For Best Picture?

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Hanks.

• 1:43:15Bill Simmons?

  So you go Hanks over the movie?

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I have to lean into my hot take, but I'd be happy if it were the movie. Just one is not enough.

• 1:43:22Bill Simmons?

  I would say the movie.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  Movie is good, Hanks is good. I also think adapted screenplay. I'm not here to take anything away from Emma Thompson, but we talked all about like the immortal lines that have come out of this movie. There's so many smart adaptive choices. There's so many smart ways that this is like turning a bunch of guys politely arguing in a, in a space shuttle into actual high drama. I think the screenplay is kinda awesome.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  But if you have to, if you have to pick one, I will take Best Picture as well. If Braveheart is the competition, sign me up.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  Yes, okay. You've, you've sold me.

• 1:43:52Bill Simmons?

  I want, so Braveheart's tough, cause it's hard to separate the Mel Gibson. Why, Mel, why? I'm doing that for Van. But the Mel Gibson of that movie, and if Mel Gibson just has a very normal last 20 years, would be like Braveheart fucking. Or did that hurt Braveheart at all? I have no idea.

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  Braveheart's just not as much my flavor, you know? Like how much medieval, like heads chopped off do we need to get or fantastical medieval?

• 1:44:18Bill Simmons?

  The interesting thing with Braveheart is, uh, I feel like Thrones and some of this other stuff.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Bill Simmons?

  That did some of these battle sequences at a whole higher level.

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:44:27Bill Simmons?

  So I watched Braveheart now. It feels very 1995 to me. I still like it, but.

• 1:44:33Bill Simmons?

  I didn't really have any probably unanswerable questions, other than did this movie have the most white actors with speaking parts of the last 35 years? It's like 100 white guys with at least one line.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  I have a more existential one.

• 1:44:46Bill Simmons?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  It's really more about your view of the butterfly theory than about this movie. But so if Ken Mattingly did not get grounded.

• 1:44:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:56Speaker 01

  If he's the one flipping the switch, do you believe, does it, does it go down the same way?

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  Or do you think that the universe flips it, you know, one small change to an ocean of whatever?

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  And that led to the oxygen tank breaking?

• 1:45:14Bill Simmons?

  We do this in basketball constantly with shots that went in or didn't go in.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. If it goes in and then what else?

• 1:45:21Bill Simmons?

  I think that they said at the end that the thing had a two-year issue with this, that it would have happened.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  The question is, would he have to, like what Paxton's point is raising in this movie? Did he look at the gauge before he flipped the switch? And very cunningly, we don't see what he looks at. Like they kinda cut away, they come back to, we just see him flip the switch. Would Ken have caught it if there was like some weirdness going on before he stirred the tank?

• 1:45:43Bill Simmons?

  Was Ken the best of the four astronauts is another unanswerable.

• 1:45:46Speaker 02

  He's very good at his job.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. We think Jim Lovell is, Jim Lovell was backup for Neil Armstrong on Apollo 11.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  True. But he wasn't Neil Armstrong. He's still a backup, you know?

• 1:45:59Bill Simmons?

  My only other unanswerable is if, uh, if Cameron had wanted to do this movie instead of Ron Howard, is it better?

• 1:46:08Bill Simmons?

  It's definitely different and I think he's way more interested in the, inside the ship and everything that's going on in there.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. He is usually not content to let actions speak for themselves. He does in fact need to tell you also what they mean. So I think his script would be pretty different or, and probably even who he cast.

• 1:46:32Bill Simmons?

  The transcript, I don't think.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's, he would be a good fit.

• 1:46:36Bill Simmons?

  Ron Howard was the right director.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he was.

• 1:46:38Bill Simmons?

  Cause he's like, I wanna do this perfectly. I wanna obey the history. We gotta get the transcripts right.

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  The stuff in the spacecraft is heightened to a degree that might be like more dramatic, but the stuff at mission control would not be as good or just wouldn't be in the movie as much. And that's, I mean, you need it. You need the counterbalance.

• 1:46:53Bill Simmons?

  Cause you know, the first man where they, they really went.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:58Bill Simmons?

  By the book with it. And it's kind of like a, I don't know, like kind of a joyless movie. It was good to watch once, but I wouldn't be like, I'm gonna crank the first man tonight.

• 1:47:07Speaker 01

  I, well, I was gonna, not to skip to double feature, but I was gonna suggest First Man as the double feature. Mostly in response to all your criticisms of the Kathleen Quinlan character, not Kathleen Quinlan, but the wife character. And in First Man, you've got Claire Foy, my girl, playing Neil Armstrong's wife. And she yells the immortal, "You're just a bunch of boys!" But you know, she's pissed off. She's like, I hope you don't. She's like, "You shouldn't go. Like this is stupid. You're dealing," you know, uh, she's not supportive at all. And then they, there's that last scene where the astronauts get quarantined after they go, which is I think another reason that they couldn't extend this movie to the reunion.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  But they're just staring at each other through that, the quarantine glass. And you know that they're miserable and that going to the moon didn't solve all of his problems or any of his problems.

• 1:48:02Bill Simmons?

  Does this make you wanna watch First Man again or no?

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  I've never actually seen First Man. Oh, it's, it's wonderful.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  It's really wonderful. So yeah, Ryan Gosling, Damien Chazelle.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Somehow makes space travel even more improbable than this does. Like there's a shot of, of Gosling in the spacecraft as like the screws rattle on the window as they're kinda like.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  I, it, I just can't fathom how any of this actually worked, but somehow it did. I love the double feature.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's a good compliment to like, what does it mean to get to do your thing or not do your, you know, to get to go to the moon or not go to the moon and what does that do? They're, you know, they're about, about great men.

• 1:48:38Bill Simmons?

  Damien on my podcast when he was promoting that movie.

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:42Bill Simmons?

  Not videotaped, cause I didn't videotape anything for three years in my office, like a fucking idiot.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Devil Wears Prada rewatchables, just not on video.

• 1:48:51Bill Simmons?

  So much not on video, cause I was like, no, people are more comfortable if there's not cameras. What a fucking genius I was.

• 1:48:59Bill Simmons?

  The memorabilia you'd most want from this movie?

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  White vest.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  See, I don't think I could pull off the white vest. I wonder if I could pull off the gold flight jacket. Might just be borderline enough where I could actually rock that thing. So I would love the gold flight jacket.

• 1:49:14Bill Simmons?

  I like the outfits they were wearing at the end after they got rescued. I would definitely take one of those suits.

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  Okay. The flight suits.

• 1:49:21Bill Simmons?

  I think the answer is probably Jim Lubb's. If you're just going for what's the most valuable thing from this movie that you could own from like one of those auction sites? It's gotta be the Tom Hanks like movie worn astronaut suit, right?

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  Would be pretty good.

• 1:49:38Bill Simmons?

  That's one, that would be a jaw dropper. I was trying to think of like, there's anything like a little smaller stakes though. Like Gary Sinise's sleeveless white t-shirt when he's just banging beers. Just feeling bad for himself, watching Dick Cavett.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  He's having a tough night, right?

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  The beer bottle, you know, that, yeah, the, you know, maybe the whole system, maybe.

• 1:49:57Bill Simmons?

  This is the tough Dick Cavett cameo where it's like, Ken's hit the lowest point of his life. He's drinking beer by himself, watching Dick Cavett.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Well, the bit is like about being a peeping Tom in New York City in the summer, basically, so.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  And then also he tries to make jokes about Jack Swagert, but cannot remember his name or where they're going.

• 1:50:15Bill Simmons?

  It's Swagert, right?

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's this, this.

• 1:50:18Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, where best worst life lesson? Let's work the problem.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  I was opening my phone to, to read that quote to you.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  How about your greatest disaster is moments away from being your finest, or is seconds away from being your finest moment? Right? The whole like, if we just get this one thing right at the end, it can invert everything. Everything can flip just like that.

• 1:50:37Bill Simmons?

  That's what Bill Chisholm said to Brad Stevens, says he was approving the Jalen Brown trade.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  They should have let him do that in the press conference.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  I, I can't, we can't bring this up right now. I'm not ready for Sixers season.

• 1:50:48Speaker 02

  No, you're not ready?

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  I'm so angry.

• 1:50:50Bill Simmons?

  We might do a, we might do a little sports thing after we finish filming, so hold your, hold your thoughts.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:50:56Bill Simmons?

  Uh, my double feature choice was Gravity with Sandra Bullock.

• 1:50:58Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:51:00Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  I did The Martian, another like problem solver.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  I like, speaking of work the problem, how do we work the problem? How do you get food? How do you get oxygen? How do you get rid of CO2? It's like, it's all the same stuff all over again.

• 1:51:10Bill Simmons?

  Who in the movie?

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  Hanks.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  Hanks.

• 1:51:13Bill Simmons?

  Hanks. Craig.

• 1:51:14Speaker 03

  Double feature Rocky IV, just kind of lean in, fuck Russia.

• 1:51:17Bill Simmons?

  Oh, America.

• 1:51:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  Craig gets it.

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  Double win. I hadn't seen this in probably 10, 15 years and it aged so well. Like it's just like a warm hug. I don't know if it's just like where we are now. It's just feel, it was like the seventies or 1970 was like, like you guys were saying, like depicting American idealism. And then even like mid nineties in Hollywood, the fact that they like, I didn't know that thing about the Universal Lake, but they filmed this whole movie in LA. They like built all the sets in LA. You have like Tom Hanks, Ron Howard making a space movie in LA, like with your bare hands. The whole movie is just wonderful and feels incredibly warm. For the last hour, I, I stood up like I was watching the Knicks comeback. I was standing up, just pacing back and forth. I knew how the movie ended. It fully hits and has aged so well. It's aged even better now.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's that I'm getting older, but like even the tropey stuff with the wife and the kids. I'm like, kind of hit for me this time. I remember not really liking it.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Was it the door?

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  The door.

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:52:13Speaker 03

  This time around, like.

• 1:52:14Speaker 02

  The door is magic.

• 1:52:15Speaker 03

  The three minutes when they're re-entering and it's cutting back and forth to the family and the, and the.

• 1:52:20Bill Simmons?

  And it gets past three minutes?

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like 3:30, 3:40, no one wants to say it.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Four minutes, yeah.

• 1:52:25Speaker 03

  I have a reappraisal for Tom Hanks watching this movie too.

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  I don't really have a Tom Hanks now. It's just, it's just wonderful.

• 1:52:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, this movie's aged really well. I like it the most I've ever liked it, like in the last couple of years. It's just, for, for a bunch of different reasons. I was never like, oh, Apollo, I love it, but I always respected it. But now, uh, I don't know.

• 1:52:45Speaker 01

  Space camp when?

• 1:52:47Bill Simmons?

  Ringer, Ringer Space Camp, 15 year anniversary. Yeah, who is Tom Hanks now?

• 1:52:55Speaker 03

  We don't have like, we definitely don't have one.

• 1:52:57Bill Simmons?

  Kind of sort of Gosling, but not really.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  Even most of these characters and these parts, we don't really have anymore. Like the Quinlan part, I was trying to think like, if they made this now, who is that? Is that Carrie Coon? Is that like, who, who plays a part like that? I don't even know.

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  They do look alike. But yeah, I, I mean, I don't know who the, I can't.

• 1:53:15Bill Simmons?

  It's Gwyneth, Gwyneth Paltrow's too.

• 1:53:17Speaker 01

  I don't know who the Jimmy Stewart is because we aren't really making movies with this type of like warmth and, and optimism, even in the face of things going wrong.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  Or we are, but there's still Tom Hanks somehow.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, things are just going wrong all the time and everybody is trying to scam their way through it.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  Project Hill Mary is probably the right comp right now because it was Gosling. But I, Gosling still, I don't think is Tom Hanks.

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:43Bill Simmons?

  I'll save my thoughts on Project Hill Mary.

• 1:53:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:53:45Bill Simmons?

  It was fine.

• 1:53:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was gonna tell you, that's one where it needed to end 30 minutes before. And it, it needed to end as soon as he opened, as soon as he and Rocky saw each other in the ship.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  That's the ending.

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  And then if you have any of the reunion stuff and now I'm black on the planet, teaching all the little Rockies. And Sandra Kuhler is like old and saying thank you, you know, or amaze, amaze or whatever. It's just, it's a disaster.

• 1:54:14Speaker 03

  It was a little hokey for me, the whole movie.

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:54:17Speaker 02

  I had a great time, but yeah, we don't need to see the classroom of Rocky's children. We definitely did not.

• 1:54:21Bill Simmons?

  I didn't see it in the theater, so I want to have that caveat. I saw it at home. It ended and my wife looked at me and said, that was some corny bullshit.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  It was. But if you, and listen, the last 20 minutes are crazy corny, which is why I respect Apollo 13 for ending when it does.

• 1:54:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  You don't need the extra icing on top.

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  It's one of the most millennial movies ever made.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  That is true. But in 30 years, we're gonna be doing a rewatchables for it, so I look forward to it.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  And the puppet stuff is good.

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  It's good.

• 1:54:51Bill Simmons?

  The problem now is instead of making movies like this, we make movies, these two movies I like that I'm about to say, but we make movies like The Drama and The Invite. That's where the creativity is, is moving. And that's just, people are less interested in making a movie like Apollo 13.

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  That is true.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:07Bill Simmons?

  Ron Howard now would be like, I want to make The Invite.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Well, because I don't think he or anyone else could get the budget to make Apollo 13, nor would they be able, allowed to do vomit comet or anything. It would just be all CGI.

• 1:55:20Speaker 03

  Say what you want about the movies, because I agree with you about Project Hill Mary. Is it making Project Hill Mary the current version of making Apollo 13?

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's the most millennial annoying movie ever. I agree and I'm a millennial.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  Well, I'm sure there was a.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  I liked it. I think I even teared up with the, with the Rocky. You know, listen, I'm a mark for Ryan Gosling being charming and, and I guess that Ryan Gosling comp is right in that he's both, he's playing the role and much of that movie's charm is him reacting quietly to a puppet.

• 1:55:57Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's hanging with Ryan Gosling as he's surrounded by goofy dumb shit.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. But now he's doing Star Wars and he's doing another thing and.

• 1:56:07Bill Simmons?

  Like to me, The Martian was so much better than Project Hill Mary. I mean, I can't even believe it's, would be compared to each other.

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  I think it's true. Though I.

• 1:56:14Bill Simmons?

  No, but I just thought The Martian was a better movie. Like it's, it's more ambitious. I don't know.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  When I went back and rewatched it though, I had forgotten how corny some of the jokes are in The Martian. Like let's science the shit out of this, which listen, Matt Damon can, can do no wrong in my book. I'm a huge fan of it, but I was like, oh, this is of its generation as a little.

• 1:56:35Speaker 03

  It's the same author, right? Isn't that the same author?

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  But he spends, it's Matt Damon planting potatoes and being a vlogger for two hours. Like it's, it's a really good movie, but it is corny and it isn't.

• 1:56:45Speaker 03

  Needle drops that are kind of hokey.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Completely.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  Luckily, I'm the best botanist alive.

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or on this planet, it's a lot of that stuff.

• 1:56:53Bill Simmons?

  You know how easy this is for me? It's a fucking joke. And I'm sorry you can't do this, I really am. Damon's the best.

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  Retainer.

• 1:57:04Bill Simmons?

  Come to the Damon side of Damon versus Leo.

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  This is fly surgeon horseshit.

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm totally on the Damon side.

• 1:57:10Bill Simmons?

  Come right here.

• 1:57:10Speaker 03

  Damon versus Leo? No, that's nuts. It's so obviously Leo.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  This is ridiculous.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  That's some boy stuff. Yeah.

• 1:57:17Bill Simmons?

  You also like when you value Joel Embiid's 40 games a year over.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 1:57:22Bill Simmons?

  The guys who play 72 to 80.

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  It's not like Leo is load managing. The guy has made a ton of movies.

• 1:57:27Bill Simmons?

  He's load managing, he's one a year. Damon's like taking chances. Damon's like, yeah, we bought a zoo with Cameron Crowe, I'll try it.

• 1:57:33Speaker 01

  And you don't even like the Ocean's movies that much. And he's got those on the roster. It's okay, that's fine.

• 1:57:39Speaker 03

  You don't like, you don't like the Ocean's movies?

• 1:57:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:57:41Bill Simmons?

  No, I like, I like one. I like the 11 is, I really like 11.

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  But he didn't do the, he didn't do the rewatchables.

• 1:57:48Bill Simmons?

  I didn't like 12.

• 1:57:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then.

• 1:57:50Bill Simmons?

  No, I liked 11, I just passed it off. That was early in the rewatchables though.

• 1:57:53Speaker 01

  That's true. And then you made us do 12 for flawed rewatchables, which I was offended by because I think 12 is the second best equal ever made. After Godfather Part Two.

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  12's pretty flawed, they're all good.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  No, I, I wasn't in Four Weddings and a Funeral. That's Matt Damon line. When they have Julia Roberts pretend to be Julia Roberts and it's, it's good stuff. It's revisit it.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Project Hill Mary is the corny one. Don't worry about it, don't worry about it, it's cool.

• 1:58:19Bill Simmons?

  Can't believe that, I would have thought you would have not liked Project Hill Mary that much.

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  I can't help it, like I'm, I'm clutching for some optimism as much as anybody. I want to be intrigued by the stars and the power of friendship with a rock.

• 1:58:31Bill Simmons?

  I think the Elon autobiography movie is gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see who plays him. Elon's race to get us to Mars. We needed a hero. We finally found one and, and his 17 kids are watching as he tries to get us to another planet. Uh, on that note, Craig Gorbak, Gahal, thank you. Rob Mahoney, great to see you. Amanda, great to see you.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:58:52Bill Simmons?

  Glad you're back in the rotation.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:58:55Bill Simmons?

  Thanks for suggesting this, thanks for pushing.

• 1:58:57Speaker 01

  Thank you for.

• 1:58:58Bill Simmons?

  A true pleasure.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  Thank you for not giving it away. I'm really happy to be here.

• 1:59:01Bill Simmons?

  And thanks to Tom Hanks. Good to see you guys.

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