#2266 - Brian Simpson

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Imagine having to be that measured in everything you say all the time.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's my whole life.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Ah, that's stressful.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's super stressful, especially if you're a little intoxicated. You know, you get a couple of whiskeys in you, you start talking shit. You gotta be responsible for every word that comes out of your mouth, even if it's stupid. But, you know, I think people get it. They get that people are human beings and they can stumble. Like people, they forgave a lot of Biden stumbles until they were like, what the fuck? You know, a lot of people like in 2020 were like, there's no way. There's no way he's gonna do it. He was too old to run when it was 2016.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  He's kind of always been known for the gaffes. Like, because I remember when Obama was picked him, that was the number one concern was like, ah, but he'd be, sometimes he'd be saying shit.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  Didn't Obama always, he was famous to quote as Joe as a, don't worry, Joe will find a way to fuck things up.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  I never heard that.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  There's supposedly, well, it's hard to know what the quote was, but supposedly.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  He got out of all of it.

• 1:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's because the machine was behind him, right? So he gets into office and you saw that like Mike Johnson guy, the Speaker of the House? He said that he had talked to him, it took a year to have a meeting and he finally had this meeting with him and he was wanting to talk to him about something. And he said, why did you sign this executive order? And it had something to do with liquid natural gas. He said, I didn't sign that. He said, yes, you did, sir. You signed it. Can we get it? And so he has the secretary print it up, he brings it in. He'd never read it. So he was just signing executive orders that he didn't even know. He didn't know what it was about. He thought it was about research and it was about shutting it down. And so it... That's a, so there's a bunch of people behind him that wanna do things.

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  And they think it's for the best interest of the country and they're all acting as a big group that's like the puppeteer of the president. And that's not how it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be that way.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  But isn't it like that with every president?

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Because I think when a president brings in a new cabinet and the new cabinet starts doing different things, then you see what's happening right now. Right? So they've already found thousands of criminals that had snuck in here and had committed multiple crimes while they were here. And the Biden administration had left them here. And they allowed them to stay in these sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. And Trump's just yanking them out and flying them back to Colombia and flying them back to Mexico and flying them back to wherever they're from. Get the fuck out of here.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  No, but I-

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  And exporting them in planes. The Biden administration could have done this too.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think, I think they, every president that get in there, they do, they do little shit different than the other side. But at the end of the day, the big major shit that will help out the average people, that shit, it always just fall short a couple of votes.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  Trump is talking about getting rid of income tax. And replacing it with tariffs.

• 3:06Joe Rogan?

  I asked him about that on the podcast. I thought he was joking around. Yeah, exactly. He was saying that it would be better for the economy, we'd have way more money if instead of you paying tax, these companies should be paying tax. Like, why are they making such a killing off the American people?

• 3:22Speaker 01

  But the companies would just charge us bigger prices, wouldn't they?

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing. Could they? If we had American manufacturing that can make the same products? No. So the whole, the whole reason why-

• 3:34Speaker 01

  But you can't make the same products for the same price.

• 3:35Joe Rogan?

  But if you have other countries charge tariffs, and I think we've charged tariffs in the past. And it's, it's an interesting thing. It's like you make a trade agreement. It's essentially a trade agreement. And his position has always been that one side of the trade agreement was unbalanced and America does a stupid job in negotiating its trade agreements. So he wants tariffs and everything. That's what he, that's what he threatened the, the guy from Colombia with. He said, cause they didn't wanna take the prisoners, the flights were coming over and he didn't wanna give them approval to land. He said, "We're gonna tax you, we're gonna tariff you 25%, and then like in a week, we're gonna jack it up to 50%." And this guy wrote like a poem to Trump. It was the most ridiculous thing ever. The guy's a wild dude.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  I think that's the thing. It's like, if you bring in the tariffs, you would have to make them so high. That that the American goods were cheaper by comparison.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, you'd have to really ramp up American manufacturing in a lot of places. Like, we don't make phones. That's one of the craziest things about America. We can't make a phone. We can't even make a phone.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  We make mistakes.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, maybe we could make a phone. Isn't there one phone that is made in America? Is there one phone that's manufactured here? I think there is.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  I mean, even if it's assembled here.

• 4:44Joe Rogan?

  Is it the nothing phone? Is that it?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  I think it might be assembled here. I think they still have to get some parts from somewhere.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  They still have to get shit from China.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  They have to get shit from Taiwan. They have to get shit from India. Yeah. Everybody gets their shit from somewhere.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, the problem with American manufacturing is you can't do it for as cheap as you have to pay people.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  That, no, our problem is, first of all, we're addicted to buying new shit all the time. I have a, I have a bunch of phone lines, and one of my phone lines, I have an iPhone 11. It's like five years old. I don't notice when I'm using it. Like, as long as it still works. You don't notice on a normal experience, what do I do with my phone? I'm not fucking making complex video rendering. You know, what am I doing? I'm watching YouTube videos, I'm text messaging people. You don't notice, right? But we're force-fed this idea that you're supposed to get a new one every year. It's one of the weirdest things. You gotta do TV every year? You get a new computer every year? Why the fuck do you get a new phone every year? But every year, they keep pushing us to get a new phone.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  If you make a phone that's American-made, more durable, and lasts more than a year, it would be worth a premium, and I wouldn't have to feel bad about, like, slaves in China making it.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Like, he makes it like the only phone. They need to bring back the Nokia phones. Remember those brick phones?

• 6:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, don't do that. Make it dope. Make it a dope phone. But, you know.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  I don't know, man. I don't thi- I think we- I think those days are long gone.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  The days of American manufacturing?

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think with incentives, with government incentives and people understanding that this competition that we're having is all technologically based. And if all of our technology is getting made in another country, that's essentially a national security issue.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  See, you know, you know what I realize is like, why, because sometimes, you know, politics comes up in the green room and I just, I always separate myself from the conversation because I realize what everybody has, regardless of what size of issues they own, is they, y'all have hope.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  I'm cynical, I'm cynical to the motherfucker. I'm like, this shit was over, this shit bit. You know, it's like, for me, I'm like, I see, I see the asteroid coming.

• 6:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  And I'm like, ain't nothing we gonna be able to do about that.

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• 8:11Speaker 01

  I don't know, man. I'm interested to see. Look, if, if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets, gets approved, I'm interested to see. If they start removing pesticides and herbicides and all these things that are killing people, if people's health improves, if we remove things from the human diet, if just start educating people on the importance of diet and exercise, I would love to see that. Yeah, but you know, the problem with that is, we live in a society where like, None of that shit's gonna happen unless it make more money than what we already doing.

• 8:39Joe Rogan?

  That's not necessarily true because you can motivate people. There's a real power in free motivation. And having a government that's like promoting health in that way would cause a bunch of people to take that step that they've been thinking about taking. So a lot of times motivation doesn't catch you flat. Motivation catches you looking for motivation. Right? Like you wanna get your shit together, be like, ah, well, I just fucking need to get to the gym. I just need some. And then one day, the government announces that we are going to turn the health of America around and we are gonna promote a, a national fitness regime. We're gonna start bringing it to, to schools and kids to get people healthier.

• 9:22Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna bring in organic food and start feeding kids when you feed them in public schools and you have free lunches.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Trying to do something like that?

• 9:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she did. She got shut down.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 9:31Joe Rogan?

  They shut her right the fuck down. They're like, sit down. You're gonna fucking kill our profits. Fuck this healthy shit.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Cause, cause that's the other thing. But, but what's different now than, than what's happening back then is we're so divided. If, if somebody in the government suggested anything was the best, the healthiest thing, at least half the country would be like, I'm not fucking with it for that very reason.

• 9:53Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep. You're so right.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's like they attached Obama to Obamacare, even though it was, it was not a bad thing, right? And if, like if Trump was literally like, hey, every, every American jumping jacks is the best exercise. People like, I ain't doing no Trump jacks.

• 10:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  That's your president's exercise. So it was like, we so divided, nothing's gonna stick.

• 10:12Joe Rogan?

  I also think that the problem with like healthcare and all these things where people are getting paid. You're dealing with a bunch of different games that are being played inside a game that has a function. And that function is healthcare. Like it provides healthcare in a kinda shifty shitty way. But the, but the game it's playing is make the most money. That's the game it's playing. The ga- it's it's playing a financial game. That's why it's coming up with reasons to deny people and it's using AI to figure out how to deny people. And they deny a large amount of claims. So it's you gotta look at it like what it actually is.

• 10:55Joe Rogan?

  It's not that it's all bad, but that there's a bunch of different games. Each person in that game is playing their own game. You have thousands of employees, you have thousands of people trying to corporate, climb the corporate ladder and make more money and get promotions and make more money for the company and impress the board. They want a fucking yacht, bro.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  I will, I I I'm I'm talking about how much we're divided, but it's weird. That's the one thing they couldn't divide people on. Like I remember like after the after the CEO got popped, like on CNN and MSNBC and Fox, the the narrative was the like, how dare people be excited? Because at first they tried to do what they do with everything and they they say, oh, these is, look at these liberals fucking laughing at death and then they realize like, oh, it's, the insurance industry is fucked over everybody.

• 11:44Joe Rogan?

  Everybody.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  They don't give a fuck who you voted for, they'll fuck.

• 11:47Joe Rogan?

  That might be the one. Healthcare might be the one thing that we can come to like a bipartisan agreement on that health insurance and insurance companies in general. They they're just captivated by what a corporation is. A corporation has a responsibility to its shareholders to make the most money. And they just, that's a problem with the whole structure of it. Is that no matter what the business is, they find a way to make money more than they find a way to do the thing that they're supposed to be doing well as a service to people.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  If Trump actually, if Trump actually fixed healthcare,

• 12:21Speaker 01

  he would he would go down as one of the greatest presidents. He would be like, it would be, I think it would be a whole different narrative. Like if he actually did like viable, real change to the healthcare system that like made it work for everybody.

• 12:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, it used to be that there was no social media. So if you wanted to make a big change, the government could gaslight you on TV in these press conferences and bring out experts and they could gaslight you and tell you what to do and that was all the information you had. That doesn't work anymore. It doesn't work anymore. So this is one of the reasons why this is the best time ever to kind of revamp healthcare and revamp like the way people think about what is healthy. What is healthy? But how you gonna revamp it in a way that still makes money? You, well it doesn't have to, first of all, first of all, you're gonna lose money. The country's gonna lose money. It's like who's gonna get the money? There's an exchange of money, right? So if a lot of people are sick all the time and a lot of people are on Medicaid and a

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  lot of people are on health insurance, the country's gonna spend more money that's going to go to pharmaceutical drug companies, but it doesn't have to go there. We can't commit to giving it to them every year just because they've figured out a way to keep getting it. That's dumb. The right way to say is, we have to look at the collective money of the country. Wouldn't it be way better if we spent way less on healthcare because people got healthier because they figured out there's no easy way to do it? You have to have diet and exercise. It's the most important foundation for any healthy human being. It doesn't matter what kind of exercise. It probably doesn't even matter what kind of diet as long as you're like committed to eating healthy, real food.

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is just diet and exercise and movement. That would fucking cure 70% of the problems we have in this country with healthcare. Because people would be healthy. And so then you wouldn't be as susceptible to getting sick. You wouldn't be as susceptible to getting injured. There's a bunch of things that would probably likely stack up financially in our favor. So that's how you make money out of it. You make money out of it because everybody makes more money.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  You make more money if you're healthy. You make more money if you're active. If you're in the bed all the time because you have back surgery constantly, or if you've got this and that and the other, you've got a lot of interruptions in your life. They're going to hiccup your career. They're going to hiccup your, whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life if you're dealing with being sick all the time.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  So you think, you think if people were healthier, they would deny less people?

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  I think if people were healthier, first of all, you would need way less healthcare. First, that's the number one thing. If people were fit and they took care of themselves, there's a giant part of, if you looked at all of the healthcare issues that we have in this country, there's a giant chunk of it that's connected to diet. It's connected to the standard American diet. It's connected to eating too much calories, garbage food, obesity. That, all that is, it's possible to shift that in a different direction. You just have to change the way people eat. And that, you would see other people getting results, and then you would want those results. If you hear RFK Jr. on TV trying to motivate people to do this, and you see him working

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  out, like, maybe that's the thing you need that takes you from, "Man, I gotta go to the gym one day," to, "Fuck it, I'm going to the gym. This is it." And then if more people do that, there's more healthy people. If there's more healthy people, there's less losers. If there's less losers, the country makes more money. The whole GDP goes up. Everybody, you're, you're, you're gonna do better. You're gonna do better with whatever you're doing in life, if you're healthy. Because health is energy.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  But how do you make people want, like?

• 15:58Joe Rogan?

  You don't, you don't make them do it, but you inspire. And the government has never done that before. Why not try it? Why not try that? Why not try that? Why not try to, like, fucking gaslight people and tell you gotta wear a mask in your car or you're gonna die? Instead of that gaslighting, how about pump them up? They scared the fuck out of everybody with COVID. How about they pump everybody the fuck up with health?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  If the government wanted everybody to do anything, they have to pay them.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  You know another problem with my theory?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  I give you a tax break if you lose 40 pounds.

• 16:27Joe Rogan?

  Here's another problem with my theory. Trump. Eats nothing but McDonald's. Drinks Diet Cokes. Sharp as a tack, seventy-eight years old, like, okay. I don't know what to tell you. If he came back, if he disappeared for like six months and came back just jacked. Jacked, shaved his head. Did you see him play tennis with Serena Williams? Nah. He took his shoes off, he's playing tennis. With Serena Williams. I mean, playing, playing? Not playing like as good as she can play. She's not gonna embarrass him. No, obviously not that, but I mean. They're volleying back and forth, and he's playing. Is he running? He plays tennis, man. He can play tennis. Like, the guy plays tennis, like, he's, I mean, I don't know how to play tennis, so I don't know if it looks good.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  But I'm looking at him hitting the ball, it looks like he's doing it the right, he doesn't look like me if I was doing it, I'd be a fucking spaz. I don't know how to play tennis. Completely lost. Yeah, well, let's see it. It's cause it.

• 17:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was? Yeah. Oh, god damn it, I got lied to by the reels. I thought it just happened.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  Twenty fifteen.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  Want to trap a Serena too? But check out the tennis. Check this out. She could clearly fuck him up. Oh, that's a nice gentle serve. Look at it, but look at dude, he's firing back.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Both of his shots right about.

• 17:42Joe Rogan?

  Ah, he's old.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  I mean, but he is doing better than I would do. Oh, way better than me? I mean, he plays tennis. There's video of him playing tennis. There's like photos of him playing tennis. So he does do some things. It's like, there's a lot of guys that are too, um, they can't go to a gym. It's just they don't, they need a purpose. Or they need something that occupies their brain, so they play golf, or they play tennis, or they play games. They do, they play a little pickup basketball. They do that for their health, because they just can't do the gym thing. I just don't wanna do it. So they do something that keeps them active. I mean, most of the people I know do shit like that. Yeah, so he's active. Pick up basketball, or. But that dude just eats cheeseburgers and shit all day long, like.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I don't know what to say. But he probably also has zero stress. Well, he has a way of letting shit roll off his back. I mean, he had to have some stress when that guy shot at him. But even then, he gets hit in the ear and he stands up and yells, "Fight, fight, fight." It's like, is this a movie? Are we in a movie? Is this like a simulation? And then his ear healed up like Wolverine. Bro, it healed up pretty quick. You can see a little mark on it. You see, there's a little tiny, if you look at it, like when he was right there, I go, "Let me see it." And he leaned in, you could kinda see. You know what was wild? The ear is filled with blood vessels, that's why I bleed so much. Nobody talks about it anymore. No. You know what else nobody talks about? The guy who blew up the Cybertruck in front of Trump Tower? What happened to that guy? I don't even know what you're talking about. You don't know that story? Nah, I don't follow-

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• 21:20Joe Rogan?

  Visit lifelock.com and save up to 30% your first year with the promo code JRE. That's promo code JRE. Or go to lifelock.com/jre for 30% off. Terms apply. Any of the pop political stuff? Well, this isn't even political. This is a weird story. It's a guy who was like, now, has it been confirmed that that's him?

• 21:46Joe Rogan?

  Let's pull up the story, because I don't want to do it any misjustice. But this was after the election, correct? Yes, definitely. It was real recent.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  New Year's Day.

• 21:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, New Year's Day. That's how crazy the news cycle is. Like, you forget what day things happen. Like, was that a year ago? No, it was last week. Oh, all right. There's like something constantly bombarding you all the time. So this dude. That dude? Yeah. What is the story behind him? He was a special forces guy, right? And he was in, I think, he was in a television show with Tim Kennedy. They had like a special forces TV show where they did something. So this guy's like, you know, he's an operator. He's like a serious soldier. Why a cyber truck? And he allegedly committed suicide.

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

  Um, with a large handgun, a Desert Eagle.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Oh, he rented it, okay.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

  Large handgun. And blew up this thing. It says self-inflicted gunshot wound. Well, it, the whole thing's weird, man. Nobody, nobody could imagine him doing this. Everybody's saying it doesn't make sense. Wh- why would he, this guy knew how to make bombs. Why would he make a shitty bomb like that that doesn't even blow up the building? It just blows him up in the car. And why would he do it in a Cybertruck, which is like the most durable car you can buy? Like, that whole thing, the Cybertruck, you saw that video where I tried to shoot an arrow through it?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 23:16Joe Rogan?

  My arrow exploded. That thing's solid steel. So why would you blow yourself up in a solid, but you would get a convertible and fuck everybody up, right? You, if you were gonna blow up yourself in a car and you wanted to do the most damage, you'd have a car that you'd wanna blow apart. Those Teslas contained the entire explosion.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, was it, did he leave some kind of manifesto?

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if he left a note. Did he leave a note?

• 23:43Speaker 03

  I think so, yep.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  They probably found it like barely smoldered outside. Look, it's like, remember when they found the terrorist passports? The planes went into the fucking World Trade Center, blew up in front of everybody's face, just a gigantic, enormous pile of fire. And yet, this dude's passport just barely singed on the outside like a Bugs Bunny cartoon falls to the ground.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  That's what the whole Sean Ryan thing was about, cuz they sent the email. And then that was, did the guy write the email?

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Now I remember. God, I forgot Sean Ryan was involved in that. And then people were saying that he didn't, that guy didn't send that to you, you got hoaxed. And then Sean Ryan proved that the guy did send that. So, he was saying some stuff in there about drones and... What was he saying? Let's put up what he said. You know what I realized, man? Shout out to Sean Ryan. It said, "In case I do not make it to my decision point or on to the Mexican-Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this until one Jan and keep my identity private until then. First off, I'm not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 black Ford Mustang V6 for verification."

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  First of all, that's not true. That was not his first car. No? No, he had a different car. We'll find that out in a second. Put a tab on that, Jamie. "What we have been seeing with drones is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by, most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history, the US. Only we and China have this capability. Our open location for this activity in the box is below. China has been launching them from the Atlantic, from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force and they are using it similar to how they use the balloon for Sig- Sigint? Sigint? How do you say that?

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  Sigint and ISR, which are also part of the Integrated Com Systems. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time. The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft, they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted to. It's checkmate. US government needs to give the history of this, how we're employing and weaponizing it, how China is employing them, and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast. I've been followed for over a week now, likely from Homeland or FBI, and they're looking to move on me

• 26:24Joe Rogan?

  and are unlikely to let me cross into Mexico, but I won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED. I think that's vehicle something..." Oh, you know, you're a military guy. "I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone, and they are definitely digitally tracking me."

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  I have knowledge of this program and also of war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in the Nimraz province, Afghanistan in 2019 by the admin, DOD, DEA, and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes over 125 buildings. 65 were struck because of CIV, CAS, that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day. US FORA, continued strikes after spotting civilians on initial ISR. It was supposed to take six minutes and scramble all aircraft to CENTCOM. The UN basically called these war crimes, but the administration made them disappear.

• 27:27Joe Rogan?

  I was part of that cover-up with US FORA and Agent Redacted, they just cut his name off, of the DEA. So I don't know if my abduction attempt is related to either. I worked with General Miller's 10 staff on this as well as the response to Bala Murgab, AOBs commander at the time, Redacted. Okay, he said, "You need to elevate this to media so we avoid a world war, because this is a mutually assured destruction situation." So he gave his LinkedIn for vetting, active duty, you know, he gave his profile, the whole deal.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  Now, the problem is, that was not his first car, so Google what his first car was. Why lie about that? Because somebody might not have known. Like, if you ask, like, there's a lot of people that say, "What was your first car?" And a lot of people don't know. I've said it publicly, but like, how many people know what my first car was? Right, right. Right, so if you're a dude and you're hanging out with other dudes, like, I don't know what your first car was. You're suggesting someone else wrote that? Yes. Yeah, I mean, if they get the car wrong, yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right. I mean, that's a hell of a, that's a hell of a detail to get wrong.

• 28:44Joe Rogan?

  Here, I had, my first car was a nineteen seventy-three Chevelle, but I only had it for like two days. It broke down. And the guy sold me a lemon and I got my money back. He came and got his car. I think he knew he fucked me, you know? And then my next car after that was a nineteen sixty-eight Oldsmobile. So I remember. I know what my cars were. Like, you're a kid, you get your first car, you know what your first car was.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  Bitch, if your first car was a two thousand and seven Mustang, you're gonna, everyone's gonna know. You're gonna tell everybody, right?

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not gonna forget what your first car was.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna know. You're gonna, you're not gonna be confused. You're not gonna be confused as to what was your first car. You'll have, you'll pull it out right away.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've never seen anybody get that wrong.

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  Your car is like the first time you have freedom. You can't believe you could just drive anywhere you want. You go to your friend's house. Like, dude, I can drive. It's one of the wildest experiences. I remember clearly just learning to drive. And how wild it was. You could just drive. We're so used to it. We're basically riding around in amusement park rides. You would pay a lot of money to ride in. Like your car? That Audi? Bro, that's like, you're in a, you're in a super capable sports sedan from twenty twenty-four.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  So you're talking about like modern suspension and anti-lock braking system and everything's controlled electronically and you have a fucking super powerful engine. It's all taut and all. And it moves differently based on how the fucking ground moves, like whether it's shitty surface or smooth surface. They just adapt to everything. That thing's glued.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those things are crazy. This, this world that we live in today is so fun. You would remember your first car.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  I'm having a hard time. This is one of the strangest searches I've had. I'll add this to conspiracy. I can't find anything that's coming up with a date before like January 4th, which would only be a few days, excuse me, a few days after. I've done Google search and Twitter search. Twitter search didn't show anything and I hit latest and it's still not showing me anything recent.

• 30:55Joe Rogan?

  Damn, somebody wrote a whole article about how that was not his first car.

• 30:58Speaker 03

  I know, but it's just weird that it's blocking this stuff. Look at the thing.

• 31:01Joe Rogan?

  Can you try the Brave browser?

• 31:03Speaker 03

  How would they? I don't know that it would have a, I'm on a website. Like I'm on Twitter.

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  What was the proof that that wasn't?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Isn't giving me anything more recent than January 4th.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  So when they say about discrepancies, does anybody use the car as a discrepancy? Because I definitely know I read that.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  No, that's not what I'm even bringing up. I'm sort of saying like the search is being manipulated right now. Like I can't search for this.

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 31:28Speaker 03

  That's what I'm trying to say.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  Ew.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Like searching for his name and the, and car was, I don't get anything in the last three weeks. If that's weird, no one on Twitter is talking about it.

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  Let me imagine this. Is it possible that if there was a story like this and you were trying to like cover up discrepancies? And you didn't want people talking about it? Could you just flood the search with a bunch of other stories on it? So that it takes so many pages to get to it that you would never get it?

• 31:53Speaker 03

  I would argue, yes, you could, but that's, I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing the opposite. I'm seeing no stories other than like within the 48 hours of it happening.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Means that's, I find that odd.

• 32:04Joe Rogan?

  That is weird.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Like I'll go to page two. Bro, this is how shocked that I am. I didn't even know this happened. News isn't showing, it's like four weeks ago.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about just write, will you do me a favor and just write Matthew Livelsberger? How do you say it? Livis?

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Livelsberger?

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

  Livelsberger's car was not, first car, just say first car.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  I did.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  No, but, but let me ask you, just say first car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  I think that's, that's too specific. Yeah, that's too specific.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  But just try it. Was not, first car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  I mean, it's, it's, I'm getting the same thing. That's where I was. It's not the best way to do a search.

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• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  The other thing was that the gun that he used is a crazy gun. That is a crazy gun to shoot yourself in the car. And the question is like, when did he do it? Because it looks like the guy in the video in the car sits there, pulls up, and then the whole thing blows up. So are you telling me that he's blowing himself up and shooting himself at the same time? Like, does he have a button on his left hand? That's the bomb detonator? And then the trigger on his right?

• 34:33Speaker 03

  I don't know, man. That's just highly advanced, man. I get tweets from two hours ago. The Cybertruck might have shot him, shit.

• 34:37Joe Rogan?

  So again, Jimmy?

• 34:38Speaker 03

  When I take off the word "car" from my search on Twitter, I get tweets from two hours ago.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  So they're still tweeting like crazy about it?

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Well, when I type in "car"...

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Now it's

• 34:47Joe Rogan?

  You get January 16th.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  And I'm on latest.

• 34:50Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  He typed first car?

• 34:55Speaker 03

  I didn't, I just typed in the word car, it shouldn't matter.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Tell me the whole conspiracy though.

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  Try first car.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  I already, I'm just, I already did that.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  I know, I know.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  I reduced it so that it was less specific.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  But what's the rest of the conspiracy?

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

  Incorrect of the first car discrepancies. Click on that. Show more.

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  So, um, including incorrect reference for the first car Liversburger owned. According to public records, his first car was not a 2006 Ford. Contrary to what is mentioned in the email. This has led to skepticism on whether the email is real or fabricated. That's it.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  So, well where's the?

• 35:27Joe Rogan?

  According to public records, that was not his first car.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Well, show us the public records.

• 35:34Joe Rogan?

  Let's see. Uh, it was a BMW. 2008, one series BMW.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  I would, I would add, wouldn't this just be registered under his name? Maybe he borrowed one, maybe his parents registered it. I think they checked his parents' cars too.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what about that 1998 is a Ford Mustang?

• 35:49Speaker 03

  But it's 2006, there's a big difference.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  See right here, why is Sean Ryan spreading an easily confirmed fake email? If your first car was a 1998 Mustang, would you say your first car was a 2007 Mustang? The dates don't even line up. So, he had a 98 Ford Mustang. Why is the BMW circled?

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Cause you see, the thing is, whenever weird shit happened, the first people to talk be full of shit. They the worst, they the worst people.

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  So it looks like he didn't have, he had, scroll that back again. So he had a 98 Mustang. Not a 2007. That was his first car. Then he had a 2008 BMW. And then he had a Jeep. He never had a 2006 Mustang.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  You can see right where he got divorced, cause he got a Mustang again.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm back, baby.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  2018.

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  2018, he got a Ford Mustang GT.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  That's that midlife crisis.

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  He got the GT too. Greg Fitzsimmons got it, he got it with the EcoBoost. He was telling me how much he loves it. I was like, I know, but you didn't get the V8. He's like, oh, gas mileage. I'm like, shut your mouth.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  What you mean EcoBoost?

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a great engine. Don't get me wrong. It's got plenty of power. In comparison to old cars, it's way more powerful. I mean, it's a fast fucking car. But the EcoBoost is just, uh, more, uh, fuel efficient. It doesn't have the same horsepower.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  And the, the GT has the coyote V8 that has that rumble. Makes you feel alive, you know, when you're You ever been at a red light with a guy in a Mustang and they take off and you hear that sound, especially if he's got a manual?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Now, my, uh, my homie, um, when I was in the service, he had this, he had this fucking blue Corvette. I forget what year it was, but it was older shit, but he, he was obsessed with this motherfucking car and it was so fucking loud.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was definitely like a, you know, seventy something.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Or sixty something, it was like an old.

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

  Old, the cool ones.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was like, no modern technology in this motherfucker. It was loud as shit.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  Corvettes are the only cars that looked good into the seventies. All the other American cars turned to dog shit. They turned it, they became boxes. They became fuel efficient boxes, but Corvettes always had that. And then eventually they fucked that up too. And they made Corvettes like flat and like looked like a wedge. They looked so stupid for a while, but now they're back. Now they're better, they're better looking now, I think, like Tonys. I think that these new ones, the two thousand twenty fives and twenty sixes, they're, they're better than any other car, ever. Any American car. Like the Corvette ZR one, it's the greatest American car that's ever been built.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 38:21Joe Rogan?

  It's eleven hundred horsepower.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  I don't know shit about it.

• 38:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Brian Thompson, you ready to look at this?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  You got one?

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, I don't have one. But this is, um, Google this. This is literally the greatest American car ever produced. Buy a long shot.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Corvette Z one.

• 38:34Joe Rogan?

  Z R one. It's got a giant wing on the back of it. It's literally a race car that you can buy. It has eleven hundred horsepower. If, or, excuse me, one thousand sixty four horsepower.

• 38:48Joe Rogan?

  And this is not even tuned, right? Guys are gonna be able to do things with these things. You're gonna get these Hennessy guys.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  Is this new?

• 38:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna get these Hennessy guys that are gonna like jack up the boost and make them even faster. These things are insanely fast, insanely fast and insanely capable. I don't know if they've got Nürburgring times on them, but I, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fastest American car ever.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  How much does that cost?

• 39:13Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like a hundred and ninety thousand dollars.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Austin soon.

• 39:18Joe Rogan?

  Bro, this car is fucking insane. It has carbon fiber wheels. It's insane. And it's beautiful. Like, look at that thing. I mean, it's just a piece of art and engineering. You know, together. It's really, it looks like what you'd expect from a foreign supercar. From like Ferrari or McLaren or something like that. That's what it looks like. It looks incredible.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, how we get on the subject?

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Oh, we were talking about how you remember your, you would remember.

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you remember your first car? Fuck, imagine your first car is this thing? Usually your first car should be a Miata. So, everybody should drive a stick shift Miata.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  But you can't buy your, because like, like, some people get crazy and they buy their kids shit like that.

• 40:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, it's like motorcycles. You know, I was gonna get a motorcycle license at one point in time, and one of my buddies was gonna get it like a ninja. I was like, bro, we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't just hop right on some crazy bike that... You gotta get comfortable with the whole deal riding a bike.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Bro, have I told you how many of my, how many of my friends or family that I've had to talk out of getting a motorcycle? Like, it's like that midlife crisis part where it's like, "Hey, bro, you've never rode a motorcycle. Like, you forty, you can't start now."

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  I got real close and then the universe gave me a whole bunch of signs.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Bro, because even the, even the best riders in the world will lay that bike down.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  So, it's like, you out here, you haven't ridden a bike ever, or in twenty-five years. Like, you gonna get fucked up out there.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  You ever see the one where the dude is flying down a country road and he hits a deer?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh. This dude is like, on one of those race bikes.

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  Boom! Flying through the air.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Bro, I saw one the other day where it was the other way around. It was like, it was like the end of a parade or something. And there were girls in the street and this guy, a bunch of motorcycles went by, but only one girl got hit.

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  But it was like...

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Oh, man, that's...

• 41:18Joe Rogan?

  Vehicles.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can't, you can't.

• 41:20Joe Rogan?

  So, you didn't see this thing today? Um, a Blackhawk helicopter collided with a American Airlines flight.

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  Over DC, yeah.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Over DC?

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  Over DC, yeah, and they plunged into the Potomac and everybody's dead. And there's video of it, there's a fireball in the sky. The helicopter collides right with the plane, explodes in the sky. Watch this.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  Boom, they explode and collide in the sky and then this is the plane.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. And it's only, I mean, it's not, there's nothing fortunate about it, but it's fortunate that it landed in the river and then it didn't land on apartment buildings, you know, and kill, kill a bunch more people.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know how that happens, I've never heard of something like that happening. It's, and then, where did the helicopter emanate from? Where did it come from, Jamie?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Probably Andrews.

• 42:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause this is a military helicopter.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Andrews Air Force Base, I'm guessing.

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand how that's possible. I don't get it, but I don't know anything about flying.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Man, you know what, honestly, man, it comes close to happening a lot.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, that's so crazy that a military helicopter collides with an American Airlines jet.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  And this, and I, I don't think it was some kind of malfunction, it probably was bad communication, somebody got wrong information.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Unless we find out that someone was on that jet. Like someone who had like some gravity drive scientist. Some fucking dude who's at the forefront of quantum computing. And he's got a laptop with him that he's trying to deliver to somebody in Saudi Arabia.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  This is why I checked out, bro, cause, cause, because, cause it's so hard to take everything serious because it's like, we live in such a ridiculous time with that, like, that, that is, the chances are more than zero that what you said is the case, just now.

• 43:28Joe Rogan?

  Right, more than zero.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  It's like, we living in a ridiculous, we don't trust anything.

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  I don't, so it's like, that could have, that could be, somebody, cause my next thought shouldn't be, I wonder if somebody important was on that jet.

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  The other thought was that you can control those helicopters remotely.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to have pilots.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  No bullshit.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  You can fly a helicopter remotely.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes. They they use artificial intelligence now not just to fly helicopters, but also to fly jets. And when they use jets that are controlled by artificial intelligence versus jets that are controlled by the best pilots we have, the jets can controlled by artificial intelligence win dogfights 100% of the time.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they gonna fuck. So I mean, listen, I because all I have to judge.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  This is this is the tinfoil. We're putting on some tinfoil.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but all I have to judge my artificial intelligence is the Google Gemini and Chat GPT and they be fucking shit up.

• 44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is just consumer grade. This is consumer grade shit that didn't exist a while ago. And you want some coffee?

• 44:34Speaker 01

  No, I'm good.

• 44:35Joe Rogan?

  And exists now. So here it is. Uh, Blackhawk remote controlled demos have been performed by Sikorsky Aircraft and Lockheed Martin to demonstrate the ability to remotely control a Blackhawk helicopter. These demos have shown the potential for autonomous flight and the ability to perform missions without a pilot.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Okay, but here's the other thing now.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  But this is the thing. If it's such a super sophisticated piece of equipment, how is it not, if it is being piloted by a person, how do they not have sensors that detect where the planes are? How how is that even possible? That you could be in a place where planes are flying 500 miles an hour, left and right, all over the place, landing and taking off. And you're gonna fly through that? And you don't know where the planes are? That seems insane. That doesn't even seem possible because like, how could you exist as a military aircraft? If you don't have a comprehensive analysis of everything that's around you all the time. We have sensors. We we put them on jets. Why wouldn't we put sensors on the helicopter?

• 45:35Speaker 01

  They probably do have them.

• 45:36Joe Rogan?

  So why didn't it work?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Wow, we we'll find out pretty soon.

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  Will we even know?

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Or we'll never find out.

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  But everybody's dead, right? So how do you know when everybody's dead? They think the pilots are dead of the helicopter. There I believe there was, was there supposed to be two people in the helicopter, I believe, four, three, three people in the helicopter? And was it like 60 or 70 people? 60 people in the plane are dead.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Damn, only sixty people on a flight, on a flight?

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  Small flight.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was a, uh, mostly a figure skating team, figure skating?

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, man.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, cuz, cuz that's the thing, I was like, it would have to be a group of people, cuz if, if they just wanted to take out one person, why, why, why waste a helicopter, like, there's better ways to kill one person.

• 46:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, also, you want like the worst press possible, kill a plane filled with young figure skaters. The sweetest, most delicate people, like, twirling around on the ice, I mean, we think of them, like, they're almost like superhumans. You know, the, they, we don't even wanna think about, that's why, like, when that Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan shit went down, nobody even wanna believe it's possible. The figure skating community's got thugs? Remember that?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:44Joe Rogan?

  The figure skating community tries to take out people by breaking their knees?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  And that shit was ripe for comedy for like five years.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, we, we, people get vicious about shit, man.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  People get vicious.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  And, but here's the other thing. I, it might just be incompetence.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Most likely, it's incompetence.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Somebody was just fucked up or...

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  Most likely, someone made a mistake, most likely. But in this day and age, when you know about things that have happened, and you know about false flags, you know about all kinds of shit that happens, you always gotta wonder, and if, if we do find out, here's worst case scenario. What if a foreign government has figured out a way to hack in to our equipment? And they can get a helicopter to fly right into a plane?

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Oh, like this was a test run?

• 47:29Joe Rogan?

  What if this is like proof of concept?

• 47:31Speaker 01

  See, I think a better conspiracy would be if we found out that it was like, that like, Delta was behind it. You know what I mean?

• 47:39Joe Rogan?

  Delta's trying to take out American Airlines?

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Or like Alaska was like, yo, we gonna fucking ruin their reputation.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  But if you were a foreign country, and you wanted to demonstrate that you have technical superiority over people, how would you do it? Well, first of all, you'd lay the groundwork, right? This is one thing they definitely did, right? Where's that lighter, bro? Got that? Thank you, sir. You lay the groundwork, and the groundwork is sell them all the shit they need. Sell them all the shit they need, and some of the shit you sell them, put a little backdoor in there. Put a little backdoor in there and they've been doing that. That's a fact. That's why Huawei was banned from the United States. They banned Huawei phones. They were the most sophisticated phones. Oh man, they were. They were awesome. They were so good, dude. They was great. Yeah, no, yeah.

• 48:24Joe Rogan?

  I've tried, I've told this before, forgive me if you've heard it before, but I tried to buy a Porsche Design Huawei phone. It was an amazing phone. It was like so much more advanced than iPhones. It had a bigger battery, it had like a hundred megapixel camera. And then right before it was coming out, they put the ban. And then there was all these national security concerns and Huawei is like spying on Americans and something about their routers and their systems, they figured out there's like backdoor possibilities that were engineered into these things. So they sold us cell phone towers and computer chips and all this stuff and all the components that you need to run your AI.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  So wouldn't it make sense that if they're a part of it, they're integrated into it physically? And we know they've put backdoors on things. Wouldn't you put backdoors on the stuff that you're putting into jets? Wouldn't you pack, it's like who's making that stuff? Who's making all those electronics that are inside the jets? I think we make those. Do you think we make the chips? Do you think we make the chips? Do you think, do you think we make, what do we make? Do we make the hard drives? Are you sure? I don't know. I don't know. Do we make the processors? It just seems like it would be the smart thing to do. It would be a very smart thing to do, but do we make the processors?

• 49:43Joe Rogan?

  Or have there been installed some sort of electronical backdoor into almost everything that we have? Almost everything we have, where anything could be taken over. I think that it probably is the case, but it's definitely our government doing it.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  You know the Michael Hastings story, right? No. You don't know that story? No. This was a guy who was a journalist, who was writing for Rolling Stone. And he goes over to Afghanistan? Was it Afghanistan? Goes over to Afghanistan and, um, gets stuck there. Because of the volcano. So the volcano in Iceland, I think? So this volcano blows up and the sky's covered with dirt. You can't see for like weeks, so you can't fly. So he can't leave there. So he gets stuck with his troop. He's embedded with these troops. And they get loose. They get loose, they start saying things. They start talking shit about Obama. The general talks shit about Obama. And then, uh, this guy puts all this in the story. And he puts all this in the story, and they thought he was like one of their homies.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  We're just hanging out, we're just boys. He's not gonna write about that. Meanwhile, that guy wrote about all that shit. You get these twenty year old kids. They're deployed at war, and of course they're gonna talk shit. They're kids. You get the generals like hanging out with these guys. They're gonna talk shit, they're a bunch of men. Out there doing war. So he has to step down. And he, the general, is one of the most beloved generals in the military. And then this guy is terrified for his life. And has openly said- The reporter? The reporter's terrified for his life. Um, because, uh, he's been threatened- He's got nothing else to do. So then, he dies on... Was it Laurel Canyon?

• 51:20Speaker 03

  La Brea.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  La Brea. He dies on La Brea, going-

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Melrose and Highland, sorry.

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Melrose and Highland?

• 51:26Speaker 03

  And, uh... I'm watching the video right now, but it's-

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, either way. Either way, point is, he's in LA. He's going like a hundred and twenty miles an hour, and he goes straight into a tree and the car explodes. The car explodes and hit... Watch how fast it goes, look at this.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

  He just hits the gas and boom! Runs into a tree and explodes.

• 51:52Joe Rogan?

  Had said, you know... If anything happens, I didn't kill myself.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  And then the question was back then, so was this 2005? 2013. So back then, the question was, do they have the technology to take over vehicles? And if you ask people that are honest, the answer is yes. Yeah, they do. There's a way to do it. It's not impossible. It's not like, you know, breathing underwater. It's, it's, it can be done. Whether you have to get access to the actual car itself and put something in there, I don't know. But it can be done. That's why. This episode is brought to you by Chime. And I know people don't usually get excited about banking, but Chime is doing something different and it's worth paying attention to.

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

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• 53:25Joe Rogan?

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• 54:08Joe Rogan?

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• 54:32Speaker 01

  People, like, it's gonna be a couple generations before people will be down with it being fully autonomous cars. Like, you know, we see all these driverless cars around this motherfucker all the time. But it's like, I ain't getting in one of them motherfuckers.

• 54:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get the fuck out of here.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  No way. But, but, because if they wanted to kill you, I mean, we saw that in the old, the new Total Recall. They did that, where it's like, all the cars drive themselves. And but when they want to find you, they fucking stop your car, pull you over, you know?

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, everybody's terrified about that, you know? And, um, there's cars right now that they could shut off i- if there's a police chase. That's what OnStar does, right? So, like, if you're in one of those Corvettes, I bet that Corvette is OnStar.

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  Does that Corvette have OnStar? So, the, what the, the way they sell you OnStar is they say, well, Brian, if someone steals your car, we can just shut it off. And you're like, oh, that would be good. I don't want anybody stealing my beautiful car. But the, the other side of that is, we could also just shut it off for other reasons.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  We can shut it off because we don't like you, and we just decided to shut your car off.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  But don't worry, it says right here that that's illegal.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  You could have the wrong political opinion, depending on who's in power. You know, you want to give these people power because you don't want the other side to win. But then the problem is, now you've established that the government, which is not always you, is going to have power. And they're gonna just be able to shut your fucking car off. Stolen C7 Corvette, disabled remotely by police using OnStar. Yeah, they just shut them off. See, that's a, that's a happy moment. Look at that. The, the sad moment is, you got a trunkload of meth, and you're making a run for it. They just shut your car off.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Right. But imagine, imagine being a drug runner and getting all the features.

• 56:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, the drug runners always get caught going too fast. It's the dumbest fucking thing you'll ever hear. They always get busted going like 16 miles an hour over the speed limit. What's it saying, Jamie? Mandatory. Comes with mandatory on star subscription. There's no way around it.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  One of my favorite online lawyers, he always goes, his name's Bruce Rivers. But he always saying, um, never commit a misdemeanor while you committing a felony.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  You know, it's like you've, if you're moving cocaine, don't break the speed limit. Put on your seatbelt.

• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just the dumbest, but you get these kids that are willing to do these drug runs and they're cocky and they're probably using. Right? So they're probably taking a little amphetamines while they're driving to stay sharp, Brian. Can't get sleepy behind the wheel. And they're probably not the most reliable people. Anyway, they're literal drug runners. Like what they're doing could get them locked up for the rest of their fucking life and they're probably gonna make $2,000 for doing this.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they have some cool stories.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, who, who's gonna make the money? They're probably doing it for somebody else, right? They're probably moving it for somebody. And they, they have to sell it and then they get a piece and then, you know, and then they keep doing it and that's, that's. They just have to hope they don't get arrested and then they do it a few times, get a little cocky. I mean, someone's bringing all this shit in. Like, how's it getting in? How many car, if you're a cop and you're just out there looking around all, how many of these moving trucks have fentanyl in them?

• 57:37Speaker 01

  I think the CIA bringing most of it.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  A bit, a bit of it, for sure.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Cause who stops selling drugs when they get away with it? Nobody.

• 57:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Why, why would they stop doing that?

• 57:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  They just, now they just know how to not get caught.

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe it probably work with people.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Cause, cause please believe, if we really, really wanted to stop drugs, it would be extreme, but we could, but we don't want to.

• 57:57Joe Rogan?

  It would be too hard. You'd have to take away too much freedom from people. They wouldn't stand for it and they'd vote you out of office.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  I'm talking about to stop it from coming in the country.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes. You could stop it from coming in the country, but you're not gonna stop a demand. The, the real problem is just like the prohibition of alcohol, and I'm not comparing meth with alcohol, cause I think most people. Most people that I know responsibly use alcohol. They take a few drinks. I mean, I know a bunch of people who have abused it. I know a bunch of people stopped, had to stop drinking. But most guys that we're friends with, you have a drink, you guys wanna do a shot? Let's do a shot. Yeah. And then you go do your show and no one's getting drunk every night.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Right. I don't, I rarely see anybody drunk.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  But if you're out there doing meth, there's a chance you're not engaging in like.

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  Responsible meth use. There's a good chance if you're using meth, you're going hard.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Just microdosing?

• 58:47Joe Rogan?

  You're just go- nah, no one ain't microdosing meth. They're going hard. I think meth gets you to go hard. You're listening to fucking Slayer in your car, and you're fired up, and you're making bad decisions.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you definitely just not thinking, you're just doing.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  But what is Adderall? Adderall's super close to meth, super close.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  It's an amphetamine for sure.

• 59:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not the same, but it's...

• 59:10Speaker 01

  And yeah, and you get-

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  It's in the hunt.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  People do wild shit on that shit too.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you take a lot of it. If you take a lot of it, it might as well be meth. And people abuse the shit out of everything. You tell them to take one, they're gonna take five or six.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  I think the biggest problem is like, most people's lives suck so bad that like, drugs is their only thing.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  That's true too, that's true too.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Cause that's, that's happy, that's instant happiness. It's like-

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Even when you- cause you know what's so funny is, I think a lot of people assume that, that most of the like, homeless people on the street are homeless because they got a drug, they had a drug problem, but it's usually the other way around. They usually are fine when they hit the street and they, they start using drugs. Cause like, what else the fuck you gonna do? Where, where else you gonna get happiness from? You're not, you're not warm, you're not safe.

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's probably a bunch of different scenarios there, but a lot of it has to do with drug use. And a lot of it has to do with self-medicating. A lot of those people are just like severely mentally ill and really should be in some sort of an institution.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  People are never gonna stop getting high.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  No, they're not going to. This is, I'm smoking a cigar right now.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  And I, and I don't know if, I don't know what the, I don't know what the solution is, oh, just legalize everything.

• 1:00:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know that either.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  I would've said that five years ago, but, um, and maybe that is the ultimate solution, but, but the way it's implemented, cause I think they, they tried that in Seattle or Portland or something.

• 1:00:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had to stop it.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so it was like, but they also just went from what we doing now to like, just, everything's legal.

• 1:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, but they also, it's Portland. They're ridiculous. Those people are ridiculous. That was Seattle, right? No, was it Portland or Seattle? Which one was it that, it was Oregon that- Legalize everything, right?

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Oregon.

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was Oregon. So it was Portland. Portland's ridiculous. They're ridiculous. So if you just say you can just do drugs wherever you want, just do whatever you want. Everything's legal now. Everyone's just gonna be brazen about it. You've got a culture that was, that it was demonized for so long. And you have a, a culture of mental illness where people are looking for something to get them out of this rut that they're in. And the only thing that makes them feel good is fentanyl or oxycodone or whatever the fuck they're taking. Whatever that shit that makes you lean over. What's that stuff?

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  It's a lot of shit to do that.

• 1:01:23Joe Rogan?

  The stuff that, where they're doing yoga in the street? Trank? Trank, something like that, I think. Whatever the fuck they're doing, these people, they're trying to escape, right?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Joe Rogan?

  And the, the idea that you just like leave them, they're obviously like severely mentally ill. Like if we spend money on people with illness, why don't we spend money on people with mental illness? It seems like if you wanna support Medicaid, shouldn't you support like ma- ma- mass, uh, medical, uh, assistance to most of these people? Cause a lot of them are probably severely mentally ill and unmedicated. And maybe they can be helped. Maybe someone can take them into an institution and give them-

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  There's somebody calling you a socialist right now in the comments.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  I am in a lot of ways. I am. With some things, like the fire department. I think the fire department is a very socialist idea. We're all gonna put our money into this, this one group of people that's gonna act in the best interest of the entire community and put out fires everywhere regardless of who's got money or doesn't. Like if you're a poor person and you live on this block and your house catches on fire, they don't say, "We're not gonna put that fire out, we're only gonna put the big guy's fire out." No, the fucking house gets on fire, everybody agrees that, that fire needs to get put out so the fire people move, that's, you spend your tax dollars on that.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  See, that's how I feel about healthcare.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  That's, it's, it's true. That's a good way to look at it.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  It's like, imagine the fire department could deny you when your house was burning.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  See, the problem is they're already making so much money doing it the way they're doing it now. And they've got a really good system. If I was a business person involved in that system, not just a human being with ethics and morals, I would say this is the way to do it, this is the way we're gonna make the most money.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Joe Rogan?

  But, but people are tired of it. That's why people were cheering when that guy got shot, which is kinda fucked up.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Here's, here's the truth of the matter. Some shit just can't be for profit. If we, if we want it to be for the, the best, some stuff can't be for profit.

• 1:03:11Joe Rogan?

  The thing about that guy shooting that person that's the most disturbing, wasn't just that everybody, that a lot of people cheered for it, but was the, the most disturbing was that people weren't mad. They weren't outraged. They didn't treat it like a regular assassination. It was like an assassination where he deserved it. Right? It didn't seem like a bad, even, even though people like, that was horrible. It didn't seem like as bad a thing. It's like if someone shot John Lennon.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Or not even a famous person. If someone just randomly shot some, you know, executive as he was walking out.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  You know how I reacted, the same way when they got Osama bin Laden? I was like, it's the same to me.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like, the, cause think about it.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  You feel like that insurance guy was Osama bin Laden?

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  No, but I mean, they both, they both are indirectly responsible for the deaths of how many Americans? Except he was doing it for profit. Osama was doing it for the love of the game or whatever.

• 1:04:06Joe Rogan?

  I do think it's a corporate capture issue. Cause I think the culture of the, the corporation is to make as much money as possible and deny more people than the other insurance companies do. Like they, they had a higher rate of denying.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Like you can't let people's grandmas die and let them stay in pain and shit and then expect them to have empathy for you.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that one video? I think we played it on the podcast where this woman talked about how, uh, she made a decision to deny someone care that they definitely needed and she was thanked by the company. And then the guy wound up dying and she knows that she could have given him the life-saving care. She could have approved it. And she was rewarded for not approving it. Like they were like, you did the right thing. So that's like the culture is not about, it's, see like what we were talking about earlier. It's not really about healthcare. Healthcare is the arena in which they're playing their game. But the real game is the people behind the scenes that are trying to make money. Especially if you're doing something that is not,

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  you don't have a lot of me, it doesn't give you a lot of meaning to deny people healthcare. It doesn't give you a lot of meaning. Like you don't feel like you have a meaningful life. So those people guarantee you. They get addicted to material stuff. They get addicted to getting a nice Rolex. I want to get the newest Rolex. I want to get a fucking Ferrari.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  And you also gotta, like, it gotta, it gotta switch up your whole ethic.

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep. And you gotta somehow or another placate yourself, whether it's with drugs or with buying a new purse, something, you need new stuff. You're not gonna live in a fucking log hut in the woods if you're living like that. You're not gonna be interested in starting your own fire and reading books by candlelight. Shut the fuck up. You're, you're doing cocaine and you're trying to buy a house.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  And you're surrounded by people that like,

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  They're, they're impressed by the shit you're doing too.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  And they probably all medicate. Everybody's on probably something that's like, allows them to like, not freak out all the time. Some sort of anti-anxiety medication because of what they're doing. And then they're not, they don't feel fulfilled in life, you know? You don't, you don't feel like it's a good relationship between you and the way you make money and the way you interact with people.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Nah, I don't think they feel guilty. I mean, some people might feel guilty afterwards.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  I think a lot of them are medicated. I think they're medicated. I bet. Yeah, I bet if you're in, I bet you have anxiety when you're doing stuff like that. You probably need an SSRI. Probably need a little something.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  But it's like, the easiest person to lie to is yourself. So it's like, you probably feel like shit, you get that first paycheck and you go, you start twisting shit so you could justify it, like, well, you know, somebody would do this.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  And you also realize, hey, the rest of the public, they don't know. They don't know, that's just the insurance business. That's the business.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, this is, this is standard. Standard's a word they use a lot when they're trying to fuck you.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  They, people looked at it very differently than someone just shooting some other person. They almost looked at it like he deserved it.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  And it wa, and it wasn't bipartisan, that's what I mean. That was the wildest thing about the whole thing. It was like, you couldn't tell by, by any other information from anybody. How they felt about it. I just felt nothing, honestly.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  It was weird too, because it gave a lot of liberal grifters the opportunity to celebrate someone getting shot and murdered violently, which is like, should be the, the complete opposite of the way they view violent crime. They should think of violence as being the last resort. Violence is abhorrent. Violence is not a part of a civilized society. We want kindness and compassion and we want people to be able to live their life hell. You don't want violent murders on the street if you are a progressive. But a lot of progressives were cheering when this guy got murdered.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Which just shows how many grifters and hypocrites there are.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  The thing is, I would, because for me, it just depends on who got murdered. I'm not rooting for a murderer, but if certain people die, I'm like, eh, you know.

• 1:08:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't even know what this guy's relationship to that guy was. I don't know why he wanted to kill him specifically.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  And they haven't said specifically. I mean, there's a lot of speculation about, was it a family member or like he'd had a back surgery that screwed him up and, but I, like I said, I only, I only get the news that like rises, that's like forced in my face because I don't, I don't watch any of the, I don't watch the channels.

• 1:08:24Joe Rogan?

  To me, it's, it's different than like, let's say, some Iraq war veteran assassinated Dick Cheney. Like, that to me makes more sense. That one makes more sense. Like, here's a guy who knows that this guy engineered this thing where they lied about weapons of mass destruction, led us into a war that ultimately wound up killing who knows how many people.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  But I think people, I think Dick Cheney would have got a better reaction than, than this guy.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  You think people would have been sad that Dick Cheney got shot? Well, they would have thought it's very dangerous because whenever a vice president gets shot, everybody feels vulnerable.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  I think that's, that's something that you can, you can partisan. Is partisan the word? I think it's something you can make, you can make partisan. But with, but like I said, that's what was special, that's what's special. That's what's special about this is.

• 1:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Everybody got fucked over by.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Everybody got fucked over. It's like, so like, there's people that love Dick Cheney or there's people that still hold like those politics from back then.

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if anybody loved Dick Cheney. That's why it was really crazy when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and they were all like, yeah, like, what are you, what? That guy? What? You forgot?

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but I just mean, I don't think people, I don't think he is as hated as. I mean, the truth is, nobody, I didn't even, nobody knew that CEO's name before this. But the whole business is hated. So it's like, he became the face of that. And it's, it's definitely apolitical. It's like,

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  like, I don't know a single, I don't know a single person that hasn't had an issue with health insurance.

• 1:09:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, again, it's a business. It's a business designed to make money. And all of them wanna make, I mean, they have an obligation. They need to make more money next quarter. What can we do? What can we do? They start denying people. And if you're using AI, like specifically to deny people, like, like, let's make this more efficient.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Is that's what's happening now?

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's true, but I've read it. I've read it that some insurance companies are using AI to deny more claims than ever. See if that's true.

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't be shocked. Would you be shocked if you're a company and you're trying to make the most money? And you find out that there's software that'll allow you to make more money? And all you care about is making money. You're not really caring about healthcare. You don't want people to feel, if you did, you'd say, we should all make less money and give out more money to these people. We could, you know, accept more claims. And we would have a much healthier world and we would feel better karmically, right? Wouldn't that be nice if they thought like that? You'd have to own the company. You'd have to be like a guru, like a really calm, peaceful guru. And you would own the company and just have like an ethical insurance company and not give anybody stake in it. Don't let anybody like try to juice the system because they wanna make more money.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Oh, like a, like not, like not a public company?

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Stay private. Stay private.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but don't you think the type of person that would even wanna make an insurance company? Like, I think you would have to be a certain type, a certain type.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to be a psycho.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  I should profit from suffering somehow.

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I should, well, you're gambling, right? You're gambling that something doesn't happen to you that's more expensive than all the payments you give me every month for 10 years.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Because I think if you, if you start heading in that direction of like ethical healthcare, eventually you're gonna arrive at, oh, there shouldn't be health insurance. It should just cost what it costs.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it should probably be the same way we treat the fire department. But if we're gonna do that and people say, what about all these people that are obese? What about all these people that are like eating bad food? Yeah, we gotta educate our society. We have to think of ourselves as a community, as a collective community. Educate ourselves and healthcare should be something that's paid for by the government. Insurance companies use artificial intelligence to automatically deny claims, which you can raise concerns about bias and inaccuracies. Which can raise concerns about bias and inaccuracies. If your claim is denied by AI, you can take steps to understand your rights and challenge the denial. Keep records. Document all correspondence with your insurer, including denial letters and any communication about AI.

• 1:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Lawyer can help you understand your rights and determine if the denial was made in bad faith. Like, you're fucked. Yeah, for most people, especially people that work all day and you're dealing with this shit, you're fucked.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  I mean, I think this is in California.

• 1:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Landmark law prohibits health insurance companies from using AI to deny healthcare coverage. Alright, that's great. Especially like using it specifically to deny. So that's California, that's a great law. The whole country should adopt that.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Using AI to deny.

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

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• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

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• 1:14:42Joe Rogan?

  healthcare and that they go into it to profit. And the real problem with that is you want, but you also want the best surgeons, right? You want the best doctors and they have to be motivated. And most of them are motivated both by excelling in their practice and also by material possessions that reward them. Like doctors always have like a Porsche, doctors have a Mercedes, doctors have a nice house. Like you should be a doctor, Brian. You should be a doctor, a nice doc. Doctors make a lot of money. But they also have a fuckload of bills and they have a fuckload of insurance. Okay? So they have, the problem with them is like liability insurance. Like liability insurance for malpractice insurance for doctors is crazy expensive.

• 1:15:27Joe Rogan?

  But don't doctors still make good money in countries? They do, but they're constantly moving people in and out of their office because they got a fucking heavy nut to cover every month. Yes, UnitedHealth is facing multiple class action lawsuits over its use of algorithms. Its investment practices and its treatment of patients, algorithm use claim processing. UnitedHealth is facing a class action lawsuit over the algorithm it uses to process claims. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, monsters, monsters. But this is also because we've set up a system of profit. Now imagine if that system of profit existed for the fire department. Imagine if you had to pay fire department fees every month and if you didn't and your

• 1:16:09Joe Rogan?

  house burned, they go, hey, Brian, we just checked and you don't have fire coverage. And so then now you're fucked. That sounds crazy. That's crazy, right? Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it happen. So we agree that the fire department should be kind of a socialist organization. Yeah. Okay. Why not healthcare?

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I feel.

• 1:16:28Joe Rogan?

  But then the problem is, you know, Dr. Fucking Grossman, he wants, wants a Ferrari. The baddest motherfucker for fixing knees. He fixes everybody's knees on the Lakers. He wants some money.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Give him a Ferrari.

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. Yeah, but the problem with that is like, how do you pay, how do you, like, how much does everybody get paid? Does the government just pay everybody the same way they're getting paid now? Or does it become like a government job, like, you know, like you're a, a state-appointed defense attorney?

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  It becomes like the NFL.

• 1:17:00Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, not as motivated as some, like, super high-powered defense attorney that, you know, handles huge cases and knows the law inside and, you know what I'm saying? It's like, who's gonna fix you now? Because like, my friends in Canada, they say, "Yeah, healthcare is free, but", like, one of my friends, she had to wait, my friend Jen, she had to wait like a year plus to get an ACL surgery. And it's all fucked up still. So like, for this ACL surgery, she's waiting like a whole year to get her knee fixed. I'm pretty sure, I hope I'm not speaking out of school, I'm pretty sure it was, it was close to a year. And so she's got a bad knee for a year. Whereas like, in America, you're supposed to be able to go to the doctor, the doctor says, "Your healthcare is, yup, you definitely tore your ACL, Brian."

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  "Okay, well, good news is you're covered, you know, you have a deductible, but this is your deductible. Okay, we can schedule you for February 16th. This is what we need you to do, no aspirin, no this, no that, you know, don't eat within eight hours you get here, because you're gonna go under." They tell you, they prep you for surgery.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Or they tell you all of that, and then they go, "Oh, actually, you're not covered." "'Cause you didn't tell us about this thing from..."

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you go like, "Okay, well, I still need the surgery, and I don't have, you know, fifty thousand dollars on it."

• 1:18:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  It's like, that's the shitty part. Yeah, because there's some people that like, they are healthy, and they take care of themselves, and they pay their insurance. And then, you know, they get a tumor or something, you know, unforeseen.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes, one hundred percent.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  And they're completely fucked.

• 1:18:22Joe Rogan?

  They're completely fucked.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  And it's like, that shouldn't be possible.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about this fire insurance deal in California?

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 1:18:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, a giant percentage of those people that lost their homes in that fire, they didn't have insurance. These insurance companies pulled out a fire coverage.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Oh bro, did you also know there's fucking, there's fires, the same thing's happening in South, South America and Africa.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, just whole places burning the fuck down, just. I'm shocked that I'm not hearing more about that, cuz you know, I only.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about the fires, there's satellite video of those fires, all three of them, starting at the same time. You ever seen it?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  It's super suspicious, super, super suspicious.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  There's a sat, there's satellite footage of all the three fires starting at the same time.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Simultaneously, yeah. You wanna see it?

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  You need to see it, cuz it's so creepy, I think it was arson. I think somebody did it, whether it was a schizophrenic person, that, a firebug, there's a lot of those people that are firebugs, man. There's people that are like, actual arsonists, and when you get into the conditions that happen in the Santa Ana winds, when California's dry, like you remember when it was. Well, you were there in two thousand eighteen with that big crazy fire, right? Did you see any of that on the four oh five?

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  It was insane.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, and I remember there being a big one, probably like two thousand seven too, or two thousand eight.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, it doesn't have to be some crazy conspiracy, like, people think it's a conspiracy, a land grab, this whole thing, maybe, maybe, but also, people start fires. It's a, it's a known crime, in fact, one of the people that they arrested, he had a fake fire truck. So this dude was a known arsonist, I believe from Oregon, he bought a fire truck and drove, with a fireman's outfit, and was going into these areas.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  That's actually hilarious.

• 1:20:17Joe Rogan?

  And he's an arsonist, like a known, so he's probably starting fires.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, arsonists with a fire truck.

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that, but some people are just out of their fucking minds, man, including a lot of firemen. Like, that's a problem with firemen, there's, there's been firemen who have started fires.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  But it's wild that you, like they, I feel like if you go to prison for arson, like you purposely burn it. If they let you out, they should at least track you like they track pedos.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, you've killed a lot of people. Like if one of these, if someone, a human being was caught, that definitely lit these three fires that appear simultaneously. If a human being did that, they're responsible for, I don't know how many deaths. How many people died? I think it's 25 or something like that?

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  25 burned alive?

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  How much damage? How many people are going to die later?

• 1:21:03Joe Rogan?

  Sure. Like you're in jail for the rest of your life for everything, for the damage. You're in jail for the rest of your life. You owe $350 billion and counting. It's $350 billion of damage.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  And then Altadena is gone.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  And are they still having the Grammys or whatever?

• 1:21:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. They probably are. Well, we did the UFC there. We did the UFC like in the middle of the fires.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  I didn't think we were gonna do it. I was like, are we gonna do it here? And Dana was like, we're gonna do it. The Clippers are gonna play there on, forget what day, but earlier in the week. And if the Clippers play, we're gonna do it. Otherwise, they were gonna do Vegas. They were just gonna move everybody to Vegas. If it got worse. Because they keep starting. New ones start.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  It's not over.

• 1:21:45Joe Rogan?

  No. There's one that's up in Santa Clarita. Somebody started one up there, or something started one up there. The 2018, they know was an accident. Because they know there was a part, the part that cost $1. That one part failed and it started a fire. A $1 part.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we're gonna see more and more of this. It's getting hotter and drier.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  They have to fix it. You have to clean up the brush. You have to do what they did with the water, where they opened up the water from the north to come flow freely down to the south and not divert it into the Pacific Ocean. To fill up the reservoir that you had that was 11 million gallons that was empty, fucking psychos. Like, what are you doing? You clearly haven't taken the right steps if that can happen. It can be at least mitigated. You're always gonna have those crazy winds. You're always gonna have arsonists. You're always gonna have things that fuck up or something starts a fire accidentally.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  But don't they, don't they do all that shit every, don't they do like controlled burns and all that stuff every year?

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Fact-check old satellite footage falsely linked to 2025 LA wildfires?

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  This is saying.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  So what is that video of three fires starting simultaneously? Cause people were saying it was the California fires.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  Is this the video?

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Looks like it's a picture, but this is from 2024's fires. These are fires are in a different spot than the ones that just happened.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  So I don't know if that's the one. The, it's hard to say.

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  This is the caption from the.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  So it's miscaptured, so it's not true. What about the one where it shows a person starting the fire? Cause there is one video where they think that they have an image, an actual image of a guy starting a fire.

• 1:23:23Speaker 03

  I think it was a person near it, but I'll double check.

• 1:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoops, just happened to be near it with a blowtorch. How about that guy? They caught that one guy? And he's like, I was just lighting my joint. He had a blowtorch in his hand and they made like a citizen's arrest.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, but he might have been telling the truth.

• 1:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Nope, dude had been arrested like eight times. He had a, he had vandalism, all kinds of shit on his resume, violent crimes, I believe.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  That don't mean he was lying.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, he had, he was running around in a fire with a blowtorch. Hey, bro, put that down.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but how you gonna light, how you gonna light your shit?

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  A lighter?

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  He said he couldn't afford a lighter.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Bitch, a lighter is a quarter.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's wild. I mean, that's why I just to like carry a blowtorch around.

• 1:24:03Joe Rogan?

  How much is a lighter? One of them little BIC lighters? A dollar? Is that a dollar?

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a dollar, maybe it's probably a dollar twenty something.

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  See, if it's made in America, it's gonna cost more. All right? Otherwise China's gonna chop off our fucking supply of BICs.

• 1:24:17Joe Rogan?

  Who makes BICs? Am I guessing?

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  See, I'm, see in my head, I was thinking like you in the house, you can't find a lighter. So you're like, I got a torch, I'm just use that.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  I will run around on the streets.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  He was like walking around outside.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  They found him out where the fires were with a blowtorch and he said it was empty. He said, Google, it's empty.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  It's like, even if you're telling the truth, like your stupid ass deserve.

• 1:24:36Joe Rogan?

  But also.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Just the inconvenience.

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a criminal. Um, what was I just gonna ask you to Google?

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  I'm trying to find a picture of the satellite of a person near the fire. It started, but.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Huberman filmed people starting fires. Andrew Huberman. He was driving down the street and he caught these guys starting a fire. And filmed it, put it on his phone. He's like, "People are starting fires here." Because you got all these homeless people and crazy people and people that want to burn it all down, man. And while the fire is going on, they feel like, "Fuck it, man. Let's fucking, let's help this fucking fire. Fuck these rich people." I mean, it's the Palisades. They're like the richest people in all of LA.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Hmm. You think that's their motivation?

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think a lot of that for the arsonists. I think it's a lot of it is like, "Fuck society, my life sucks." I think a lot of people just, there's crazy people like the guy from Oregon that are like, almost like amateur firefighters. Like amateur arsonists. It's like their, that's their side project.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Did you see Chappelle talk about it on his SNL monologue?

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  I didn't.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Man, it's the best one ever.

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Easy.

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  I know, I need to sit down and watch it. Everybody tells me it's awesome.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  It's, yeah. It's the best monologue I've ever seen. On SNL.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, he talks about Palestine. He compares Palestine to...

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, he pretty much went, he pretty much went through, went through all the major things that's going on.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  The Palestine thing is nuts. I watched a video yesterday of Gaza. And I don't know if you've seen like flyover drone footage of what it looks like now?

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  You want to see it?

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's see it.

• 1:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Or do you want to like live?

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Nah, I want to see it. I want to see it because I, because I, I never see shit like this.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. You shouldn't go looking for it. Good. I won't send it to you anymore.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Nah, I just, no, I don't mind people sending me the news, but I just don't actively go seek it out.

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  This is so depressing.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Because I'm like, if it's, if it's, if it's something I need to know, somebody will tell me about it.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  They, um, there's a lot of before and after videos where they'll show someone driving down a road before. And then they show what it all looks like now. It's like the city doesn't exist anymore. It's so, it's like if, way bigger than downtown Austin, wiped off the map. Look at this. This is crazy. So this is flying drone footage over Gaza City and it's just, everything's destroyed. Everything's destroyed. It's like a, like a nuke went off. Look at this. From the sky, when you look at it, like as far as the eye can see, just destruction. Everything's got a missile hole in it.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Everything's collapsed. Everything's fucked up. Every now and then like one house and or one building in between is untouched. But most of it is fucking destroyed. If I was the guy who lived next door to that house that's perfect, I'd be like, who did you pay, motherfucker? Right? He doesn't even get blown up once? This is crazy. Crazy. And this is right now. Right now. And somehow, we're being fed that this is the only way to do this.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  And then somehow I know this is acceptable to get rid of Hamas, just to completely annihilate everybody. I mean, the, the number of people that are dead now is off the charts. They don't even know how many. Bro, this look, this looks insane. Insane. Insane. It's insane. And it's happening right now. This is how it used to look? Uh huh. Is what it used to look like. Look at that. Shops and cars. And now it's just. Just destroyed. Everything destroyed. They bombed the fuck out of everything. Bro, this shit make you feel something. Well, this is like, this is never coming back. Like, this is like, they essentially like moved everybody out of there. Like, who's gonna stay there now? What is all of this, what is all of the, is, what is?

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  What is that? What is all of? Tents. Oh wow. Tents, where people have to like stay in tents. And by the way, they might bomb those tents too. The whole thing is very scary, dude, because the, it's. It's just at a level of destruction that's impossible to say that you support it. It's like, this is insane. These are human lives. Like, how many, how many people are dying here? Is this the only way to do this? Is this the only way to do this? This seems, this seems crazy. Yeah. And how did you guys get to this point?

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  See man, see Joe, you know, this is why I avoid the news. It's cause all the happier, all the stupidest people I know are happiest shit. So I'm like, I just need to know less.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  No, you need to.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  And I can enjoy.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  I think there's something to that, but you kinda, I think we kinda need to pay attention nowadays. I think things are getting real weird, real weird.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Because, because you know what it is, it's the death of truth. Like, it's hard to know what's true. You hear some, it sound true, and then you hear something else, go, that's not true. And, and then it, it both can point to the links and studies and you're like, I.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  It's just stressful trying to figure out what's correct and what isn't.

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's on purpose.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:29:33Joe Rogan?

  That's on purpose. That's, uh, they're, they're doing a real good job of confusing people. That's when I, when I, you know.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  And everybody thinks they're right.

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Everybody thinks they're right, yeah. And there's also a lot of, uh, stuff that's going on behind the scenes. Like, a lot of the way stories are amplified is to serve as a distraction from other things that are taking place at the same time. Like, they love to do stuff like that, where they'll push out a story, like some inflammatory story. The really, the design of that story is to get you distracted from other things that are going on simultaneously. That's what I think a lot of this, when I think about the UFO stuff, I'm always like, man, this. If I wanted something to distract the shit out of people, this is a really good one. Not saying that that's what they're doing, but it makes me.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  The scientists have discovered yesterday?

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  No, you were about to tell me at the beginning.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  They fucking, they had a, um, they, they found a, a asteroid.

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I did see this.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  And it had like, most of the ingredients for life on it.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Like, all the amino acids, not all of them, but like, all but three. And then all of, uh, I forget what the big ass word this lady used. But, it, I think this was a theory before, but it's becoming more and more likely that life was seeded by.

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Asteroid impacts.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  Asteroid or something.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a theory called panspermia.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Panspermia.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it also accounts for some things that don't fit in, like, like psilocybin mushrooms. Like, they, uh, there's something very alien about them that, um, one of the things about spores is that spores can survive like almost anything. They could survive in a vacuum. They could survive through space. Like spores are like insanely durable and it's, if you have the potential for all of these amino acids and different minerals and, and there was absolutely salt on that, right? Wasn't there salt on that rock as well?

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, let me see.

• 1:31:29Joe Rogan?

  I think there was a bunch of different elements of life on that asteroid. And why not spores? And if, you know, some mushroom that grows on another planet, where these human beings interact with nature through it and then it just lands here on earth.

• 1:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Did you find it?

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Osiris Rex mission. So they found amino acids, nucleotide bases, minerals from salt water.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  And more.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:02Joe Rogan?

  So that means it has all the building blocks of life and it comes from salt water. And a chunk of it comes flying off. Isn't that nutty? Like, that's how a lot of things, they think that's like maybe how the water got here? That's one of the theories.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  An asteroid.

• 1:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that like comets.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  A comet, yeah.

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  That comets hit us and that's where we got the water? Is that a real theory still? Cause they changed those, you know, like they look at them, they go, well, maybe. Like now they, they're wondering with whether dark energy is real? They think maybe time moves differently in between galaxies?

• 1:32:37Joe Rogan?

  Like they've got some like new theory?

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I think I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about that recently.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  All of it is like, what are you even saying?

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  Or like, or that gravity is different in different places, something like that?

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  They think there's like, that gravity and spacetime moves differently in the voids in between galaxies and planets.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, who's saying that?

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Who's saying that? Like, what are you saying?

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, bro.

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Are they thinking that's what it counts for the...

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  I just need to know less, because it's breaking my brain.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  That's why they're apart from each other. It's not that dark energy is pushing them away from each other. I don't know. Like, because this is the theory of like dark matter and dark energy. It's like ninety-something percent of the universe is this theory.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  So what does that mean? So if it's not that, then there's ninety percent of the universe what? It's like just space-time moving in a different way? Like, what happened?

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, science has been kind of killing it.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've got some new tools now, like that James Webb Telescope. That thing's crazy.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Remember when I first told you about it hadn't launched yet? And I was like, that's gonna change everything.

• 1:33:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, I remember Duncan told me something about it a long time ago. He said they found something that they think is at least twenty-two billion years old. They found some star cluster or something that they think is twenty-two billion years old. So it throws the whole Big Bang thing into a tizzy. No, that's interesting too, because the Methuselah star is actually older somehow than the entire universe, which doesn't make any sense. It's like fourteen-plus billion years old, so it's like a little bit older than what they think was the Big Bang.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  But then didn't somebody recently, well, not recently, but didn't someone say that like it's still within the margin of error?

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's still within the margin, the Methuselah star is, but not this new discovery. So the new discovery for the James Webb Telescope is they found galaxies that formed too quickly. And that they formed so long ago, like so far away, because they could see bigger now, that it's changing, like, there's two things possible. Maybe we were wrong about how quickly galaxies form. Maybe they form way quicker, or maybe the universe is way older than we think it is. So maybe the reason why these things exist, and then you could find them, and then although there's things that like blink in and that they exist at one point in time and don't exist anymore, they don't know what the fuck those are, these red lights, these red spots that they found in the universe. But they think that...

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  It's ve- ve- people are very reluctant to commit, right? Because they don't really know. But the potential is that the universe is not fourteen or thirteen point whatever billion years old, but maybe as old as twenty-four billion years old. Or maybe. The next time you come in here, I want to be in here the next time you have one of these motherfuckers, these Lawrence Krauss. You want to be in here with that? Michio Kaku. Yeah, because I love, I'm fascinated by this kind of shit. The problem with two people talking is like, I got a.

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• 1:36:31Joe Rogan?

  Like lock in on these dudes. I just want to listen. Yeah, but you, I'd want you to chime in too. That, just the, like with some of these people, like you have to have one-on-one. Because even if I do, uh, two guests, like, everybody always has something cool to say, right? And then someone else is talking and you want, it's hard. It's hard to like, work it. And when you got someone who's talking about something like very esoteric, very difficult to grasp, you know, they're talking about like quantum physics, they're trying to explain to you the, the, the, these, the dynamics of these subatomic particles, like what? You need like one person just locked on. Every time I hear a quantum physicist talk, I never understand everything they say.

• 1:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I barely understand a, a fraction of what they're talking about. Even when they talking about other shit. Yeah. Yeah, like. They're operating on a different level. Let Eric Weinstein try and give you a fucking recipe. Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ, man. Weinstein's crazy smart, in a spooky way. I know, but he's like, he forgets how much smarter than. Right. He'll talk to you in a way that like, I don't even know what you're saying. Yeah, bro, like, I don't have that degree, bro. Yeah, well, he has a theory of everything. I do not understand it at all. I don't know how many people could follow it. I don't understand it. But that kind of person that would sit around and try to create a theory of everything?

• 1:37:54Joe Rogan?

  He's of the belief that potentially we're looking at US-made stuff that's like, super advanced. And that they've put a lid on it somehow. But what would be the purpose of that? Because I think if you develop something in secrecy, like they do all the time, with like, stealth bomber, all these different things, even the Manhattan Project, you develop things in secrecy. And then there comes a time where you, you test them, you use them, you have them. But then, are you gonna admit you have them? Because then the enemy's gonna infiltrate. They're gonna find out you have them. There's espionage, they're gonna steal your information, they've been doing that forever. We talked about these backdoors that China has in all our electronics, or potentially could have, right? How many things are vulnerable because of AI now?

• 1:38:37Joe Rogan?

  How many things are vulnerable because everything's attached to the internet? How many things can be hacked? Who fucking knows? But the, the reality is, we're in like, a very uniquely vulnerable position in terms of if someone did have that kind of technology that could take over AI systems, that could kill the power grid, that could fly things through the sky autonomously, that move at speeds that are impossible to imagine with conventional aircraft. And can really, like you said, park it over the White House. Maybe part of what he's saying is true. Maybe he really did write that. Maybe someone wrote that and it's like, some truths and some wacky shit to try to throw you off of the truth, which is also a strategy that gets used.

• 1:39:22Joe Rogan?

  When you have something that's like, a real conspiracy, you know what you do? You attach it to a bunch of other shit, like witchcraft, voodoo, fucking ghosts, attach it to stupid shit. Make it sound crazy. Make it sound crazy, yeah. These, these people came from, Bigfoot is an interdimensional traveler who communicates with people telepathically. Add some stuff to it that just makes it stupid, but inside of it have like, the truth. They definitely do that. They do that to make people's stories seem stupid when they go and tell them to the press.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's what I would do if I was, if it was in my interest to keep some kind of weird thing secret. Tell people, you're just gonna sound crazy.

• 1:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you were abducted by a UFO, you're gonna sound crazy. What are you gonna do?

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  Like you walk in the green room and you see, and you see me changing heads.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  I turn around like, oh.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Have you been a robot this whole time?

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like no one will believe you.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the new Alien Romulus. Have you seen the new one?

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it was great.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking great.

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  Actually, I saw it, that was the first time I actually enjoyed one of those, I don't know, they call them 4D or D-Box. Where like they got the smoke and all that shit.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you went to one of those places?

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I saw that movie, yeah.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a good move.

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the thing is, it's not a consistent experience yet, but that was the best one I've had so far. Especially when I realized like you could turn the water off, cuz, cuz like when like the alien spray, some of the shit get on you and shit.

• 1:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  It's like a spray from the ceiling, and I was like, you know, I'm having a good time.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  But I don't wanna get wet.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  But can I turn this fucking water off? But you, but you can, I just didn't realize it for way too long.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  It was the first of these Alien movies since the original that captured the spirit of the original one. Like the fear of going through the corridors, not knowing where that thing is, it hunting you, the way it got to those people. That was a good Alien movie. I think that was the best Alien movie since Alien One.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  I think.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Oh, Alien Two was like that, though.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but Alien Two, they were too easy to kill. I didn't like how they could just gun them down.

• 1:41:24Speaker 01

  But, but you're right, it was the same sort of, I don't know, Prometheus was kind of the same kind of spirit.

• 1:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Prometheus was pretty good, Covenant was better. I liked Covenant. Covenant was really good. Michael Fassbender, he's the shit.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  I didn't like Prometheus until the second time I watched it.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  But, yeah, cuz it just wasn't what I was expecting, you know?

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  But once I saw it like on its own merit.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  I think Covenant's better. Prometheus is pretty good, but you know, they had this story to tell about like seeding DNA and the fucking the operators.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, you're right. Yeah, Covenant was good. Covenant was the one where they, where they, where they landed.

• 1:41:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, that was great.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  The, the, the other one was, there was the actual like human-like aliens and their planet and they have like some war and they all die and this one guy comes to, remember? These guys. Remember? That's Prometheus.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  Um, I forget what they called them.

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  They called them the operators?

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  But there was, it said no xenomorphs.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  They didn't have a war. They, um, they were seeding other planets.

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna do a Prometheus 2. It says no xenomorphs in Prometheus 2. Oh, they're gonna have a Prometheus 2.

• 1:42:29Speaker 03

  It's gonna be old articles. I'm just...

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  I hope they do another one.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  Stumble across it.

• 1:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Because you have like a whole universe of alien possibilities now because they skipped timelines and shit. You know? Like this one, they, is like right after the Nostromo gets blown up and they find it and they find the dude, you know, you saw it.

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:47Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking good.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Well, you know what was dope about Aliens 1 and, um, um, what was the one, uh, the, the one?

• 1:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Prometheus?

• 1:42:54Speaker 01

  No, no, the.

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Aliens 2?

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  The latest one.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, uh, god, what did I call it? Romulus.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  So what, what they had in common was like, the, the, the protagonists didn't know what they were dealing with.

• 1:43:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:06Speaker 01

  So that's, they made it more exciting, you know?

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Cause it was right afterwards. So people hadn't known yet.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and every, and all the other aliens after that is like.

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Sigourney Weaver's like, I know exactly how to deal with these motherfuckers.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, right. Get away from her, you bitch.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  Please believe me.

• 1:43:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when she's got the fucking robot suit on. I didn't like that either. She, that thing would fuck her up in that robot suit.

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  And then wasn't there one where like they, like, she gave birth to one?

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  Sigourney Weaver was probably the first woman that was the badass in the lead of a science fiction action movie. And it was 1979.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  Bro, speaking of which, yo, Charlize Theron? It's a, it's a movie on Netflix. I have no idea why it wasn't bigger, but it wa- it's called, like, she's a, she's a mortal. Can you look that up?

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  She's immortal?

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's a, she's a, she leads this team of immortals.

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  And they're like mercenaries or whatever.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  So it's like a superhero movie?

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Um, ki- um, kind of. Old Guard. Old Guard. It's good as shit.

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. She-

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  She's real good at playing like a badass. You know, she played Furiosa. She killed that shit.

• 1:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, she also played Eileen Wuornos, that serial killer bitch.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, she don't fuck around.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  She's a beautiful one, and she gained like fifty fucking pounds to play that person.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she got fat, shaved her eyebrows off, looked disgusting. Like, Charlize Theron is beautiful. I mean, she's like stunningly good looking.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  I've seen her in person. And then you see what she looked like in that movie, like, you know, the kind of courage that it takes to do that.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  Let me see it, let me see it.

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you never saw Monster?

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, no, I've, I've seen Monster, yeah.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  Monster's a great fucking movie. Shout out to my friend Patty Jenkins, who made it. But that movie was like, no ladies do that. Like, Robert De Niro did that, you know? You know, Marky Mark's done that. They, Stallone got fat for a movie. They'll do that. But like, for her?

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. And she looks just like that lady.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  No, but I didn't see this. I, I was mixing this up with another movie called, like, I Pissed on Your Grave or something.

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a Revenge, there's a Revenge movie called I Pissed on Your Grave.

• 1:45:16Joe Rogan?

  I was telling you before, you know what's good? It's Nosferato.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna go watch it. I'm, I'm gonna download it for the plane, actually.

• 1:45:22Joe Rogan?

  It's, I'm saying it right now, it's the best vampire movie ever. Ever. The best vampire movie ever.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  That's a big statement.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  That's a big statement. I'm saying it. It's the best vampire movie ever. It's the creepiest vampire movie ever.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  So you're saying it's better than Blade?

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Blade was awesome. But Blade was a superhero movie. More than it was a.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  So you don't, you don't count Blade as a vampire movie?

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  It was a vampire movie in that the superhero had to kill the vampires, but it's a Marvel comic guy. I've known Blade since I was a teenager. I was into Marvel comics.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  So Blade's a vampire movie the way that like Die Hard's a Christmas movie?

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Blade was a badass martial artist who was half vampire, who was fucking up vampires. He was the daywalker. It's a fun superhero movie, more than anything.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  But the movie wasn't really about the vampires?

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right. It was like they were the enemy and he was the good guy. That was the movie. The movie was essentially, you know, revenge. They killed Riddler. Aw shit, you know?

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  So what about like, uh, what's the one, the teenage heartthrobby one that kind of ruined it?

• 1:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Twilight? Yeah, that's bullshit.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  But do you consider those vampire movies?

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are vampire movies. They're fun. They're fun. If you're a girl, like, there's a lot of stuff that girls like that I don't like. I don't have to like it for it to be good. Obviously, it made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. People love those movies.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  But you know, I'm not one of those people that's like, it doesn't have to be good for me to like it. Cause there's a lot of people that like bad movies.

• 1:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  I, I can't get with it.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not a fan of watching bad movies, but, but Nosferatu is good.

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  This is the trailer for Nosferatu?

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's really good, dude. It's really good. Like, for real, like, if you like a good old fashioned hard vampire movie, and the dude who plays Count Orlok is the dude who played Pennywise in It. And it's the best vampire ever. They're probably not gonna show you anything in the trailer what he looked like, but holy shit, dude, there's this one scene where you get to see like his whole body naked. When he rises up out of the coffin, spoiler alert. It's insane. And not just creepy, but beautifully shot.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I remember seeing previews for this.

• 1:47:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, it's good. It's good.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  It's good. And they're not gonna even show you, even in the trailer, they don't show you the vampire. And when you, when, when you do get to see the dude, it's incredible. That's not real. That is like some fan made shit. There's a video where you could see him. Um, Google, uh, Orlok.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  So much of this shit on the internet is bullshit.

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  I'll try not to spoil it for Brian.

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  What, what he looks like?

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  It's a big reveal in the movie.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  But it's based on the, the image, the way he looks is based on the original Legend of Dracula, which was a guy named Vlad the Impaler. So.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  Oh, he was real?

• 1:48:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is what he looks like in this.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:48:12Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta see it, like this is a very toned down version of it. It's incredible. But like, if you like a good scary horror movies, it's the best vampire movie.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  I love a reveal.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a great reveal. It's really good. And it, they drag it out. Like you get to see him kind of in the beginning and then, then eventually you get to really see him and you're like, oh my god.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  And this isn't my take, I've heard other people talk about it like this, but that's the other thing that made Alien great was like, be- before, it's like, you don't always show the monster.

• 1:48:41Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  Cause like, cause, cause, cause, cause like, horror is like seeing the monster and how much it's gonna definitely kill you.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  But like terror is like knowing that there's some shit in here and I don't know what the fuck it is.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  You need a little foreplay.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's like, I walk in.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  You need a little before you get horrified.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Why is Johnson dead?

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  He was, I was just in here with it, what the fuck, why the wall built it? You know, that's the, that's the shit that makes it good.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. And this movie does it perfect.

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  Jaws.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Jaws, yeah.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  That's why Jaws was such a hit.

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  Jaws is great, it still holds up. Predator still, you ever seen Predator?

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Predator holds up.

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  That still holds up. The first Predator.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  If it bleeds, we can kill it.

• 1:49:23Speaker 01

  No, no, no, my fa- my favorite line is with, is with uh.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Jesse Ventura?

• 1:49:27Speaker 01

  No, no, when they walk into the woods and, and, and old boy keeps making noise, he goes, he goes, you fucking this motherfucker. Cause he's like, he tell him like, if you make, if you keep making noise, I'm gonna bleed you.

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  I'm gonna like leave you out here. I forget what, I forget what the word is he used, but he was like, that's like, you telling everybody where the fuck we at. By the way, you moving, talking, tripping, sliding.

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's something about that, the idea that a sporting alien would come down and hunt people, that's uniquely scary.

• 1:49:53Speaker 01

  So many iconic scenes in there too.

• 1:49:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  The um, the, the joint where the uh, with a native dude is like, fuck it.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:01Speaker 01

  I'm gonna take off my shit, I'm gonna cut my chest, what's up? That, that's a fucking dope one. The uh, the one where they, where uh, where Arnold and uh. Apollo Creed, where they do this right here.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  So this was wild. That's a meme now.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:17Speaker 01

  Right? But just their arms.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  And, and a lot of people don't even know that it's from Predator. They just, they just see it as like, that's the meme.

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've tried to show that to one of my nephews. He was like, oh, that's the, uh, that's like the cooperation meme or whatever the fuck they call it.

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  They started getting silly with aliens versus Predator. Remember that? They were doing that for a while. There it is.

• 1:50:40Speaker 01

  I'm here for that.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's an arm wrestling senior Predator. Yeah. That's it.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  They're like, this is how too badass to say hello.

• 1:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have arm wrestling in the air. It's so stupid. It's so dumb.

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  No, this movie was, the dialogue is crazy.

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  That's back when Carl Weathers was jacked.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:00Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, okay. You didn't know when to quit, huh?

• 1:51:04Speaker 01

  You didn't know when to quit, huh?

• 1:51:05Speaker 04

  What is this fucking Thai business? Oh, come on, forget about my Thai.

• 1:51:08Joe Rogan?

  The way they acted back then was like it was a different form of language. It's like it seemed so fake. Compared, like if that was like a director today, like the same director that did Nosferata, he'd be like, cut, cut. What are we doing?

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:22Joe Rogan?

  Are you guys really meeting each other for the first time or is this like a play? Come on.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  And also it's like-

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Convince me.

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  Bro, the run that Arnold had.

• 1:51:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he did a gang of great movies.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  Like just actions, like he's the action star.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Conan, bro. He did Conan.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  Conan the Barbarian.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  You know who was the best Conan though?

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Jason Momoa. Jason Momoa did a terrible Conan movie, but he was the best Conan. Cause he was the only Conan that looked like Conan really looked. Like Conan was like super muscular, but he wasn't a bodybuilder. He looked like a killer. He looked like a UFC fighter. He looked like Yuri Prochazko would be a good Conan. Like that kind of build. Like a big, strong guy, but not a bodybuilder. And also it's like, the film was more stylistically appropriate to like the Conan lore.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  Well, what do you mean how Conan looked?

• 1:52:10Joe Rogan?

  In the books. Oh, I didn't know Conan was books. Oh dude, I'm a super Conan nerd. Super nerd. There was like a comic book before? Yeah, well, it was a book, Robert E. Howard. He wrote books about Conan the Conqueror. And he created this whole like world of Samaria where he's from and this whole lore of this one usurper who rises and kills everybody. And that's Conan. And he he slays dragons and monsters and demons and you know. I think he comes back from the dead at one point in time like it's the he's the cra- he's the greatest warrior of all time. You know what Conan was for me as a kid? It was my first like John Wick. Right, right. Oh, this dude gonna fuck everything up. That's how the books were. Yeah.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  The books were incredible. The books were written by a guy who lived with his mom and committed suicide. So the dude was like, he was getting, he wanted, his life sucked. He was super depressed. And he got thrill out of imagining him being Conan the Barbarian. And conquering lands and and having sex with all these beautiful women and killing sorcerers. They came up after he died? No, they were, this is like in the nineteen the thirties is when he wrote it? Yeah, it's a long time ago he wrote these books. And then they turned him into comic books in the nineteen sixties? When did they start making Conan comic books?

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  So then they had the comic books and then they had illustrated books. And then um, I think that was the first Conan movie was Arnold. I think he was the first Conan movie. And there's been a few attempts since then, but no one has really captured the books the like stylistically, except for like the Jason Momoa movie. But the movie just wasn't that good. It just wasn't a, someone needs to, you need like a real, like a Robert Eggers, the guy who did this Nosferatu movie, that's his name, right?

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  It's Robert Eggers, right? The guy who did the Nosferatu movie? That guy. Like, that guy did a Conan movie? It would be sick. But it has to be like, a realistic movie. It has to be a movie of this realistic warrior encountering these crazy things. It can't be like cartoonish. It can't be like, I just have to believe this dumb shit. Too much suspension of disbelief. It's gotta be like, a wild movie based-

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  The Northman.

• 1:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, The Northman was amazing. Did you see that? Yeah, I saw that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. This kind of movie is exactly like what Conan would have to be. That movie's fucking great. That's like, one of the best Viking movies. It's not the best one ever. It's actually dark as hell. Really good movie. Oh, it's, there's no good guys in that movie. No. That movie's crazy. And probably representative of real, the real life of Vikings. The way they really lived. Cause they were fucking ruthless. That movie's great, but it's also got like, Supernatural in it. There's a lot of cool shit in that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they believed in a lot of supernatural shit. If that guy directed Conan, holy shit. Then you would get to see like, the real books.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Cause the Robert E. Howard books were great. So the same guy that did Nosferatu did Northman? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. Bro, it's good. It's fucking good. Nosferatu's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. It's great. And it's so beautiful. Like, the way it's shot is so beautiful. There's a scene when he's walking up to the castle. It's the creepiest setup of all time. It's so good. I don't wanna, I don't wanna ruin it. Okay. It's so good. If you like those kinda movies, I love those kinda movies. I grew up on monster movies. I grew up on like, you know, that's why I have that American Werewolf in London out there. I grew up on all of that. I'm here for monsters, action, revenge. That's my, that's my kinda movies.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Nosferatu cinematographer promises Robert Eggers werewolf is unlike anything done before. Wow. A medieval werewolf movie. Oh, boy. And the primary candidate has never been used in a film. What does that mean? Maybe the, the guy that want to lead it? Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:26Speaker 03

  The actor or the-

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Perfect.

• 1:56:27Speaker 03

  Uh, subject, like the character of the-

• 1:56:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's a new character? He did The Lighthouse Two?

• 1:56:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow. That shit was weird.

• 1:56:35Speaker 03

  And the witch.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that guy's done some killer fucking movies. I'm excited about this werewolf movie. I've been saying that forever. Someone needs to make another good werewolf movie. Like that Benicio del Toro one.

• 1:56:47Speaker 03

  Specific medieval image or tale of werewolfery that's being close to their chest. So it's like a story that hasn't been made into a movie yet.

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but medieval, so like candlelight, spooky. This is gonna be awesome.

• 1:56:57Speaker 01

  Remember the Jack Nicholson werewolf one? What was that called?

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that was terrible. With, uh, Michelle Pfeiffer. That was so stupid. They're like, ah, it looked just like a person.

• 1:57:07Speaker 01

  I went and saw that. My family went and saw that and I went and saw another, a different movie. It was the first time that, cause we, it was like a thing we did. We'd go, go to the movies like every other week. But my, my, my father, my stepdad, they didn't give a fuck about no age limit. And they're like, you gonna see what we see. This was the first time I was like, I don't wanna see that shit. And I, and I still end up going in there after my, cause my movie was over before this. I think I went and saw, um.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  This is a Jack Nicholson one?

• 1:57:34Speaker 01

  Short Circuit 2 or something?

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  Like he's going chasing after this deer. Ah, I'm a wolf. Look, he just looks like a regular guy. It's so dopey. It's so silly. Like, look at this. They decided to make a horror movie that wasn't that scary. And he moves like the Six Million Dollar Man. Look, slow motion jump, obviously a stunt man.

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  And he's gonna tackle this deer. And I'm supposed to believe this. I'm supposed to believe that this dude who just looks like a dude can run fast to the fucking deer. Look, he's running. It's so dumb. He's flying through the air. Like, how does becoming a, a human that's part wolf make you this fast when you look exactly the same? He's gonna, he's on a tree. He flies and he grabs the deer.

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  This is so stupid. It's so stupid. The owl's freaking out. This is crazy. This is crazy. Did you ever see the Benicio del Toro one?

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 1:58:37Joe Rogan?

  There's one good scene. One good scene when the doctors are examining him and they're trying to tell him that he's out of his fucking mind and the doctor's speaking in one of those medical theaters. Like they used to do in the 1800s. And he's explaining that this person has delusions and they think they're gonna be a wolf and so we're gonna show him by having him tied to this chair while the moon turns full and we're gonna like cure him of whatever the fuck is wrong with his brain. So they have him in this thing. Give me some volume on this.

• 1:59:05Speaker 07

  And once Mr. Talbot has witnessed that the full moon holds no sway over him, that he remains a perfectly ordinary human being, he will have taken his first small step down the long road to mental recovery.

• 1:59:26Speaker 01

  I can just feel everybody in this room about to die.

• 1:59:29Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's gonna die. It's great.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  Oh, this is awesome.

• 1:59:33Speaker 07

  He witnessed his mother's self-murderation.

• 1:59:37Speaker 01

  This dude.

• 1:59:38Speaker 07

  His young mind, unable to accept it, created a fantastical truth. That his father is to blame.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  His father's a werewolf. Skip ahead or? Yeah, skip ahead a little bit.

• 1:59:50Speaker 08

  You moron. Tonight I will kill all of you. I will kill all of you!

• 2:00:01Speaker 07

  Yes, well, as you can see, my country is a disease of the mind, existing somewhere in the deep.

• 2:00:12Speaker 08

  Kill me!

• 2:00:16Speaker 07

  To him, it seems very real. The subject is a man who has long fought for his life. An amazing, surprising, inborn...

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  Come on, get the fuck out of there, man. What more you need to say?

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Doctor Hannigan?

• 2:01:47Speaker 07

  Open, open, open system! It seems to be locked, sir.

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a great fucking scene. See, my only problem with it is, is not a scary enough wolf. It's not. Everything else is great. It's not like American Werewolf in London. It's too much like The Wolfman, which is what it was kind of based on, like an updated version of The Wolfman. It's more like, uh... The same guy who did that makeup, by the way, did the American Werewolf in London. That was Rick Baker. It was like the Teen Wolf Wolf. Was, right? Was it, was Rick Baker that did that, right? Yeah, Rick Baker. So the thing is, though, it was not CGI. And that's what they were trying to achieve. Mmm. Because like, there's a difference between the way it looks. When it's a dude with a mask on, it looks more realistic. Like, it doesn't take you out of it. And there's something about CGI... That even if the wolf looks good, it takes you out of it. Like, the American Werewolf in London, you didn't get to see shit for like a long time.

• 2:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, it was deep into that movie, you saw flashes of the wolf. Until it was in Piccadilly Square and it started like killing people. Remember that?

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Ah, it's been a long time since I've seen that movie.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  The guy turns into a werewolf in the movie theater. He goes to a dirty movie theater. So he's in this dirty movie theater and they're playing porno films. And he's talking to his dead friend, he's telling him he's gotta kill himself, he's gonna become a wolf and kill people. And his friend is like rotting, it's hilarious, it's very funny. And he turns into the wolf in the movie theater, kills everybody, and then bursts out onto the street, starts killing people in traffic.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  I do remember like there's a scene with a subway scene, right?

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes, there's a subway scene where there's a businessman, he's trying to get away and he sees it. Like creeping up on him, that's a good scene too, because you barely see the wolf. You see this guy running and you you know that it's coming after him, you see the terrified look in his face. And at the end of the scene, you see the wolf enter into the frame at the bottom of the escalator. Where this guy's like completely exhausted and sliding down this escalator.

• 2:04:03Speaker 01

  Bro, you know the scariest movie I've seen recently, well, I guess maybe scary ain't the right word. But it was the sequel to X.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  The sequel to X?

• 2:04:10Speaker 01

  And I'm forgetting the name of it. Yeah, not Malcolm X, but like, um, it's the same, but the same girl played in both movies, you know what I'm talking about? It's called, uh, she was like a, okay, yeah, so the sequel to this movie.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  So what is X?

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  It's about like, uh.

• 2:04:26Joe Rogan?

  It's a slasher film?

• 2:04:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a slasher film, yeah. And the la- the, but the sequel to it, I, cause I never saw that when I saw this.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  I still haven't seen X.

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  So X.

• 2:04:39Speaker 03

  Maxine with two X's, three X's?

• 2:04:41Speaker 01

  No, no, that's not it, it's not Maxine.

• 2:04:43Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I had to screen up shit, my bad.

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  No, that's not it.

• 2:04:46Speaker 03

  It said it was a sequel right here.

• 2:04:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  It's on there?

• 2:04:50Speaker 01

  It's got that same girl in it, who's this, who's this? No, who's the star of this? Pearl, that's what I mean. Also Pearl was a prequel, oh, okay, I didn't realize, okay, so Pearl came out, so I saw Pearl before, I haven't seen any of the rest of these. This shit is, I liked it.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  And she's a serial killer?

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  She's, she's insane.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  But it's like, you kinda know she's the monster the whole time. But she doesn't become monstrous. It's kind of the same thing.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  And she's cute?

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's cute. She's adorable. Um, at first glance.

• 2:05:32Speaker 08

  I wanna be special, dancing up on the screen while the pretty girls in the picture.

• 2:05:40Speaker 08

  I will not let you leave this farm again.

• 2:05:50Speaker 05

  I'm worried there may be something real wrong with me.

• 2:05:54Speaker 08

  Rumor has it they only take one gal per town.

• 2:05:59Speaker 07

  We're looking for someone with X Factor.

• 2:06:01Speaker 08

  Has to be me.

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  How about a film nobody else has seen?

• 2:06:06Speaker 08

  Is it legal?

• 2:06:07Speaker 03

  Will be eventually.

• 2:06:14Speaker 08

  I know what I've done.

• 2:06:17Speaker 04

  The other bitch is like an effusive star.

• 2:06:20Speaker 08

  Terrible, awful, murderous things.

• 2:06:27Speaker 08

  I want to be loved from as many people as possible. But truth is, I'm not really a good person.

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, bro, like you wanna talk about like a...

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  This looks psychotic.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  Like this bitch is just slipping into insanity further and deeper and deeper and deeper.

• 2:06:45Joe Rogan?

  I just don't think you should show this to America right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, after Luigi, after people celebrated Luigi, we don't wanna like glorify people that just go on killing rampages.

• 2:06:57Speaker 01

  It wasn't a rampage. In fact, that, you know, that's the thing. That's the thing I respect more is that, like, the people that like shoot up a place. It's like, it's like, if you mad at somebody, go after them. Why you killing people that got nothing to do with your beef? Right? At le- at least he was like specific, he didn't like.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  That's another one that's been memory hold. The New Orleans guy just ran over all those people.

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  What New Orleans guy?

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  You didn't hear about this?

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:07:22Joe Rogan?

  This was, uh, how long ago, Jamie?

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  That's the thing, New Year's Eve, they were like within eight hours of each other, this and the.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  So this New Orleans guy turns down Bourbon Street and just runs people over, ran over like two hundred people. Bunch of people got fucked up, bunch of people died, how many people died?

• 2:07:36Speaker 03

  I think at least fourteen, less.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  I think like two hundred people were injured.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen people dead. Or more.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  And he was in a cyber truck too?

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he was also.

• 2:07:46Speaker 03

  Not a cyber truck.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  No, he was a ru- yeah, sorry, not a cyber truck, but he was also, uh, one of the guys from Fort Bragg. Like, uh, we were talking about it a lot yesterday with Metzger. Metzger will get you believe in conspiracies. Bro, Metzger will take you down some rabbit hole.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  He just hit you with so many though.

• 2:08:02Joe Rogan?

  So many in a row.

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  I can't even get, like, that's like his.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you didn't know?

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  His entertainment.

• 2:08:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that's his life.

• 2:08:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:08:12Speaker 01

  I like to hear people that's into it talk about it, but I'm, but I'm never gonna go look it up.

• 2:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he luckily, you know, Kurt gets it, if you're like, dude, I can't right now. Heck, he'll stop, if you say, I can't, I can't do this right now, I gotta go on stage in five minutes, I can't hear how many people Hillary Clinton killed.

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  Bro, I, I think he's, he probably is, is abreast at every conspiracy theory.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he believes a bunch of them that are kooky. He, he and I have had some conversations about ones, I'm like, wait, wait, why do you believe that? That one doesn't make any sense.

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  Because, because the primary belief is that the official story is bullshit.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:08:45Speaker 01

  So if you, if.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Which is probably true a lot of the time.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  But the way you run into logical trouble is, is like, just because they lie and don't mean that the first alternative that people give you is the truth.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, like some kooky YouTube video.

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  That's got it broken down.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  So it's like, they don't want you to know. I saw, bro, have you, did you see this shit, um, you know, Godfrey?

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  The, the comic?

• 2:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he had, um, I forget the name of the scientist, but he had like, a scientist come on and debate Lord Jamar. Lord Jamar's a flat-earther. And it didn't go, it didn't go well.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Course it didn't.

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  You know.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make any sense. Was that that Professor Dave guy?

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Professor Dave.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Professor Dave's done quite a few of those. He's doing the world a nice favor.

• 2:09:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's like, but, but bro, imagine, imagine that being your whole life is just opposition.

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, to what? To bad science. It's to people getting led down a bad road and believing something that's uniquely preposterous.

• 2:09:45Speaker 01

  No, but you know like.

• 2:09:45Joe Rogan?

  The earth is flat.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  You know Christopher Hitchens, right?

• 2:09:47Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:09:48Speaker 01

  He made his whole career like debating Christians and Muslims and he would like go to their churches and debate their leaders. And somebody asked him one time, like, hey, if you could, if you could snap your fingers and make all religion just go away, like, would you do that? And he was like, honestly, no, because I just like arguing with them too much. You know, or something to that effect. Those weren't his exact words, but it was like.

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Something to that effect.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  I think, I think you gotta be a special kind of person to be like, no, I want all the smoke. I wanna, I wanna argue directly with people that I don't think.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, Christopher Hitchens was uniquely brilliant and he was so good at forming arguments and sentences and he was, his grasp of the language was so expert.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  He was a great speaker.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Amazing, amazing speaker. So that he would have these conversations with these people and they'd be like woefully underprepared. And they just, they couldn't handle, he also has an incredible amount of knowledge when it comes to religion, whether it's Christianity or Islam and, and he'll call out everything that has ever happened that's terrible that every one of them has done. And he, he knows that information at the tip of his fingers at any given time.

• 2:10:57Speaker 01

  I, I grew up religious and he was the one that made me be like, oh.

• 2:11:01Joe Rogan?

  He makes some very, very, very compelling logical arguments. There's also the problem with religion is that there's so many of them too and they're so different and they all think that they have the right one. That, that's a real problem. But I think the desire for religion seems to be a part of the structure of our thinking. It's like one of those things that reoccurs everywhere there's groups of people. There's a desire. Therefore, meaning and then there's a connection to a higher power that we all seem to agree is not just likely, but you feel its presence every now and then.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  But also it's like the we were puzzle solving.

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  The need to have an answer to the puzzles.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And also to have a daddy. We always want someone who is above us, whether it's the president or the mayor or your father, whoever it is. You you want some person who's looking out for you and is it is watching over everything and has a plan for all.

• 2:11:58Speaker 01

  Wait until your god gets home, young man.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, wait until you god is watching, jerk off.

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  Oh, man. That that fucked me up for a little while when I was like, you know.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  God was watching all the time?

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  Cause we used to go when I was little, we I would get there was a church that was also a school. Like they were a Christian school, but on Sunday, they use a school buses to go pick up kids, just like school, but it was for church. And and, you know, and we got sent to that, you know, it wasn't even the church my grandmother went to. She just sent us to this one.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  What is better, an overly religious childhood or a childhood filled with crime and violence?

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Clearly overly religious, right? That's better. Cause you can learn your way out of some stupid shit that they talked you into when you were young, depending on what the religion is. But crime and violence gets you killed, someone else gets killed, you go to jail. It's not good. Like, it's definitely better in terms of like what is more compatible with society to grow up very religious with very strict rules. And then maybe as you get older, you sort of recognize that.

• 2:13:03Speaker 01

  I mean, doesn't it depend on which religion?

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  It does. It definitely does. It definitely does. I mean, you have some religions where you get a gang of wives. Woo.

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  That sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, that's the reason why the Mormons moved to Mexico.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  They moved to Mex- what you mean?

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  You don't know about that?

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  They're not in Utah no more?

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Listen, when Mitch, uh, what's his name? The fucking guy ran for president?

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  That's why I was fucking up. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico. So his dad couldn't be president, but Mitt was born in America. Mitt Romney's family was Mormon. And they moved to Mexico in the eighteen hundreds because of religious persecution and part of that was polygamy.

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  They made polygamy illegal. So these guys will fuck it. This is like the 1800s. They're like, Mexico ain't no different than America in the 1800s. Before cars, everyone's on a horse. You got a house, whatever. Same shit. Let's go to Mexico. So they went to Mexico. And to this day, they have giant Mormon compounds in Mexico. And then recently, there was a situation like they're armed to protect themselves against the cartel. It's like wild shit goes down. And one of, I think it was like, a family was killed. I think it might have been an accident. The cartel mistook them for someone else or someone did. And there was like this real problem. Did it get revamped? I don't know what happened. I don't remember how the story went down, but I remember it was a big international story.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  And then everybody was like, wait, what's going on? There's giant camps of armed Mormons in Mexico? Yeah, they don't fuck around. Like, why did they, why did they move to Mexico? And that's why they moved to Mexico. It's because they have religious freedom. They don't fuck around. You know, religious freedom. They had the forefront of shit. I bet you the Mormons got an app. Oh, they probably have an app. Yeah. But like, um, that's the story, right? That they were killed by the cartel? I think it was a woman and her child was killed by the cartel.

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  Six children, three women.

• 2:15:02Joe Rogan?

  Six children. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Attack on a group of Mormon families in Mexico. So nine women. Scroll back up. Uh, nine women and children from a Mormon community in Mexico were killed while traveling in the three-car caravan south of the US Mexico border on Monday. Three women and six children, all with dual US Mexican citizenship, were killed in the attack. Security Minister Alfonso Derazo said in a news conference Tuesday, here's what we know about the attack. The victims were all shot while in the vehicles while driving. Um, investigators believe the three vehicles traveling between the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua were ambushed by criminal groups Monday.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  Mexican authorities said women and children between 14 years old and 10 months were massacred, burned alive. La Barrera said, mothers were screaming for the fire to stop. They were driving together for safety reasons, said Kendrick Lee Miller, whose sister-in-law was killed in the attack. The family was supposed to go to Miller's wedding next week in Lamora, she said.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:16:03Speaker 01

  How she know they was screaming? Was she there?

• 2:16:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, man. I don't think everybody died. Five children who were hospitalized in Tucson will survive. While Jessup, whose son married Donna Langford's daughter, told CNN, Willie Jessup, excuse me, three of the children have very serious injuries, but two others could be discharged soon.

• 2:16:21Speaker 01

  Ah, and they wasn't connected to that dope shit? They got to be.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know. I don't know. They said it was a mistake of mistaken identity.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  But they always say that. Because this is why that don't make sense to me.

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no. They don't say that. It says it's not clear if the attacks were specifically targeted or if the family was a case of mistaken identity.

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  You don't accidentally shoot the wrong caravan. I mean, what's the chances that another caravan look just like yours?

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's what it says. It said Castanada said there were longstanding tensions between the families and the cartels. He said one of the women killed was an activist and there were frictions over water rights. Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Whoo, scary, dog.

• 2:17:03Speaker 01

  I mean, it's scary for whoever live down there.

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:06Speaker 01

  I feel pretty safe where I'm at.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but imagine living in a place that's controlled by the cartel. Like, you know, the government has its faults in the United States, but it's a superior system.

• 2:17:15Speaker 01

  But hasn't the Mexican government like started cracking down on the cartel?

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I don't know.

• 2:17:20Speaker 01

  They did that shit somewhere. I mean, I'm pretty sure the dude is a dictator. But he just, he just locked everybody up.

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  Venezuela.

• 2:17:27Speaker 01

  It's Venezuela?

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just, they, they literally imprisoned all the gang members.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  They just locked every single, even if he was, if he was associated.

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  They made these giant prisons and they just filled the prisons up with gang members and the crime just stopped.

• 2:17:41Speaker 01

  Hmm, but that was the immediate effect. Is that still the case now?

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. It's a good question. Like, you know, is that what they're gonna do forever? They're just gonna keep these guys in that cage for the rest of their lives?

• 2:17:50Speaker 01

  That's expensive.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  It is expensive, but is it less expensive than letting them wreak havoc and ruin your entire community? I don't know. It's a very totalitarian thing.

• 2:18:01Speaker 01

  That depends on who you give a fuck about.

• 2:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also depends on like how many of those people were set up? How many of those people weren't actually in a gang? How many of those people were like, maybe somebody doesn't like you?

• 2:18:08Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 2:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Probably a little bit of that going on too.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  In that type of situation where it's like a drastic change and they rounding up hundreds of thousands of people? There's gonna be a couple of revenge joints slipped in there. Oh damn, sorry Jorge, I accidentally put.

• 2:18:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy. Oh, El Salvador. It's not Venezuela, it's El Salvador, look at that. Oh my god. They just said fuck it. We're just gonna take crime down to zero.

• 2:18:34Speaker 01

  So is this life in prison?

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what, man, I mean, is this better? It seems like it's better than having the criminals run society and kill everybody.

• 2:18:43Speaker 01

  I mean, but at least like get them on some bicycles, provide free power or something.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  And what have they done? You know, but also if you grow up in that community, what are you gonna do? Like if you grow up and your whole family's involved in the gangs, like, what do you do? Like, you're, you're literally guilty by birth. You know, if you grow up in those communities and that's all they've been doing forever, what do you do? What do you do, you know?

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  How do you sustain that, too?

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. I guess if you have enough money, because now you don't have to fight crime anymore. So now everybody's locked up.

• 2:19:16Joe Rogan?

  It's dark.

• 2:19:17Speaker 01

  Well, it's just gonna be new criminals.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  What, what could fix the world? Brian Simpson, is it gonna be technology? Is it gonna be mushrooms?

• 2:19:25Speaker 01

  You know my stance, we done. Nothing's gonna fix this shit, bro, we're cooked. We passed the point of no return.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  But why do you think that, though? Because people can exist in small groups together in harmony. Why can't they exist together in large groups in harmony?

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  Because I think people are less intelligent in large groups. The larger the group, the dumber the, the dumber the average IQ, I bet. Like, in terms of like how people behave.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think also in larger groups, you don't have to think as much because things are like set up for you.

• 2:19:55Speaker 01

  And it's just because, you, you know how I know we're doomed? Online gaming. When you go, go play a team, I'm playing this Marvel Rival shit everybody playing now. But it's like, try to get matched up randomly with five other people and get everybody to cooperate. And how often you come across people that are just completely selfish. To the point where like, they'll lose, they'll lose on purpose. Like, and they, they take the penalty for losing too, but just to ruin your day.

• 2:20:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's just randoms that you're meeting online, though.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  Right, but I mean.

• 2:20:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta cultivate.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  You see, or you see how people communicate? And obviously, the gaming is a certain demographic, but I just mean.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  In cells.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  It just reminds me, nah, it's not, no, it's not in cells, it's regular people out there. That's, just act like assholes when they, when they're anonymous.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Cause they can, yeah.

• 2:20:39Speaker 01

  So people, people will do selfish shit, or you see these, you see these game shows where it's like. You know, it's that whole, uh, what's it called, the prisoner's dilemma, whatever.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:20:48Speaker 01

  We could all win, or I could win.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:50Speaker 01

  And how often do you see people just go, fuck all of y'all?

• 2:20:53Joe Rogan?

  And they probably encourage you to do it because it makes for good TV.

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  So, and I know, look, there's good people out there. I meet extraordinary people all the time. Now, especially now that I live here. I meet people all the time that's like, wow, you, like, if it was more people like you,

• 2:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  we would be good, but it's so little people like you.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, but how many people like that do you know now? You know a lot, right?

• 2:21:11Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:21:11Joe Rogan?

  You know a lot more.

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  Not enough.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you know a lot more. And the key is just to try to limit your associations with people who aren't exceptional. Try to be exceptional, first of all, to attract exceptional, exceptional people, and then kind of like encourage other, you gotta surround yourself with people that are cool. Like, surround yourself with people that are interesting, surround yourself with people that are exceptional. It gives you, like, energy in this life. It gives you, like, motivation.

• 2:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then you gotta make new friends.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  Nah!

• 2:21:42Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not with that either.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Some friends are worth making. Some new friends are worth making. But I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. It's hard.

• 2:21:49Speaker 01

  I can make a new, I'm very emotionally unavailable. So I just need friends that don't need that. You know what I mean?

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting you say that, because you're very friendly. I don't know why you think you're emotionally unavailable. I think you just don't like to be bothered by nonsense that people could fix on their own.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  There you go. I'm very easily irritated.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not, you're not emotionally unavailable. Like, when we talk about stuff, like, everybody talks about stuff in the green room. You're like one of the most, like, honest people when you talk about things.

• 2:22:15Speaker 01

  Maybe emotionally unavailable is not the right word, but I'm very, I feel very much burdened by unexpected obligations.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  So like, if you hit me with some last-minute shit,

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  Get out of here.

• 2:22:26Speaker 01

  or you're like, or you, or you constantly need me, because I'll be there for you. But if you're constantly needing stuff and it's good to the, I just.

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. But you, you gotta realize that's a transactional situation then. That's a bad situation. That's not a situat-, you, you haven't surrounded yourself with people that are, like, autonomous.

• 2:22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that aren't. They, like, need friends for everything they do, and they can't make decisions. They don't get their shit together.

• 2:22:50Speaker 01

  Bro, you know what? I, I love being by myself. I love, I love going to a restaurant alone. I love company too, but I'll go to the movies alone. I like being alone. I like shopping alone.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have a balance. You spend enough time in front of like thousands of people.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  Cause you know what I don't like? I don't like variables. It's like the more, the more people that come, the more shit could switch up, the more.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  That's true. That's true. And also you get like all these social dynamics at play when there's a bunch of people together.

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  Like we, how many, how many times have we eaten dinner? What would you say is the perfect amount of people to bring to dinner?

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  It depends. There was this one time, I don't want to say the time, but where there was a bunch of us and a bunch of other people and it really helped that there was a bunch of us. Cause we all huddled up together. Remember that time?

• 2:23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, and don't forget Vegas was great. It was a lot of people at that table then.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. But we knew all those people.

• 2:23:41Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, those all people were like close friends. It was, it was a good time. It was, it wasn't like, there was no social dynamics at play. You know, when we're all hanging out, it's generally just fun. There's no like one person's trying to get to the top.

• 2:23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, comics are different. But I say, but just, but six is for me.

• 2:24:00Joe Rogan?

  Six is a good number.

• 2:24:01Speaker 01

  If I hear that it's gonna be more than six, now it's like, it's gonna be separate conversations and it's gonna be.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  And what if Bob can't drink? What if Bob starts drinking and he gets real loud?

• 2:24:10Speaker 01

  Right. And then you want, you need vegan options.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Someone's non-gluten. Gluten free please. Do you have a gluten free menu?

• 2:24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but yeah, yeah. I just, I don't like being in big groups.

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  Right. I know what you mean. I get it. I get it.

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you know, like when you're a group of people and then one person has a friend that they tell you is cool. Don't worry, Bob's cool.

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  Like bro, my, my middle name could be, who all gonna be there?

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  You invite me to something? Cause, cause even now, like my, like Derek and them, they'll invite me to stuff even though they know I'm not coming.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, come to the, nah, I can't, I'm good.

• 2:24:46Joe Rogan?

  But that's also like a reflection on your sense of humor. Cause you're always finding things that are stupid in everything.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Your act is essentially like, let me tell you about some stupid shit.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  It's a gift or the curse.

• 2:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a gift.

• 2:25:04Speaker 01

  That's why I say like ignorance is bliss. If you, when you notice too much, you can't be happy. You can't possibly be happy. Or you gotta distract yourself with like, you can be happy for a second when you're on, on a drug or having a good time.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  But eventually you go. How did that fucking helicopter crash into a plane?

• 2:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you think, you think about all these different variables. You know, I used to say that to my students. When they, they would fight, uh, because a lot of them that were really smart, I would notice they would be much more nervous.

• 2:25:35Speaker 01

  What did you teach?

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  Than the dumb kids. Martial arts.

• 2:25:40Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  Uh, my, of course it's martial arts, but my dumb ass, my mind went to like you, you be teaching in the classroom like a professor?

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and they would fight? No. No, no, no. I mean, I'd take them to tournaments. So I had students that I would take to tournaments. And, um, the really smart ones would be the most scared. And I would have to tell them, it's because you're smart. The reason why you're scared is because you're aware of all the variables and you know you're vulnerable. Whereas dumb people don't think that. They're overconfident and they're not aware of all the variables, but you can overcome this. I'd be like, I did it too. I have the same feeling. I don't want to do it. It's stupid. Why am I doing this? Why am I risking my health? Why am I risking my safety? You have all those thoughts that are gonna go in your head, but you're gonna learn something about yourself from doing this. And you're smart and that's why you're nervous and you should be nervous because it'll help you. It'll help you move faster. I used to use custom autos expression, the custom auto, this great thing they told Mike Tyson.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  He said, fear is like a fire. It could cook your food if you can control it, or it could burn your house down.

• 2:26:41Joe Rogan?

  And that's what it's like. It's like that, but the intelligent people are the ones that are aware of it. The intelligent people are the ones that oftentimes struggle the most with, uh, overcoming anxiety to compete. Because they're aware of the, how fucking dangerous this actually is. They're not blissfully unaware like a moron. Is walking into a cage fight not knowing they might get knocked the fuck out. You know, not gonna happen to me, bro. There's a lot of those not gonna happen to me, bro guys.

• 2:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can, you can still be world champion and be that person.

• 2:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, if you're gifted.

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  If you're gifted and if you're genetically gifted, you know, and if you're, you're driven and you really work hard and you enjoy it, yeah, you, you could get pretty far.

• 2:27:17Speaker 01

  You're not gonna talk well. You're not gonna speak well in like.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  At the end. Yeah, at the end, it's gonna be rough.

• 2:27:23Speaker 01

  Cause it's amazing to me, like that, that's another thing like we, we talk about legacy and stuff like that, but, but.

• 2:27:29Speaker 01

  MMA wise, John Jones is like the equivalent to Floyd Mayweather in terms of like, how little damage he's taken over.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes, there was a few fights where they were real rough. The Dominic Reyes fight was real rough. He got hit a bunch of times in that fight.

• 2:27:41Speaker 01

  The first Gustafson fight?

• 2:27:42Joe Rogan?

  He got caught a few times by Leota Machida before he put him to sleep. Leota was catching him a few, he hit him with one big left hand. Rashad Evans clipped him with a big right hand. But for the most part, John is the very best at utilizing distance and also having a strategy.

• 2:27:56Speaker 01

  He said that was the hardest he ever got hit, Rashad.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Rashad, yeah. Rashad knocked Chuck Liddell out cold that punch, remember?

• 2:28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Out cold, one shot.

• 2:28:04Speaker 01

  Was that the first time Chuck Liddell got knocked out?

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  No, Chuck Liddell had gotten stopped by Rampage in Pride.

• 2:28:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:28:11Joe Rogan?

  And then Chuck Liddell, I mean, he'd been stopped a few times.

• 2:28:15Speaker 01

  I mean, like, but after his rise?

• 2:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Um, no, because Rampage stopped him during his rise. Like Rampage stopped him when the UFC, when he was a champ in the, or maybe he wasn't the champ, he was like the best guy or one, like, cause like Tito was the champ for a little before Chuck fought Tito. And everybody knew that Chuck was gonna beat Tito. It was one of those things where like, this is a bad matchup. Cause Chuck is a really good wrestler and just a ferocious striker. Ferocious and so aggressive and just nasty power. And just would throw himself into the wars. Throw himself. He had an iron chin. So you just, fuck you. He'd just throw himself and really skillful too, man. Like underrated skills, but just a desire for the firefight that was like nobody else.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  But Rampage beat him, Rampage stopped him in Pride. So they had an exchange where they were gonna send UFC fighters over to, um, over to Pride to fight the best Pride guys. And Chuck was one of the best UFC guys. And Rampage stopped him. And Chuck fought Alistair Overeem and Alistair Overeem was doing really well, but Alistair's

• 2:29:21Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Chuck stopped Alistair.

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  Just that this though, Rampage used to have.

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, bro, this was when Chuck was Chuck, right? This is not like past his prime Chuck. This was like in his prime Chuck. But Rampage was fucking ferocious. He was so good. And Pride had knees to the head on the ground, all this shit. And Rampage eventually, I believe he stopped him with like body shots on the ground, if I remember correctly. I remember he just beat him up and then they stopped the fight. I think he just got on top of him at one point in time. It was a grueling fucking fight though, but.

• 2:29:56Joe Rogan?

  I think this is like the end of it right here. He was just beating him down and eventually they stopped the fight. So these punches to the face and then just dig into the body.

• 2:30:04Speaker 01

  Look how tiny that referee is.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  And then it looks like he got on top of him. Yeah, he got full mount and then they stopped the fight.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That was Rampage in his prime. Rampage in his prime was motherfucker dude.

• 2:30:22Speaker 01

  I saw a video of somebody talking shit to him. I'm like, one of the young fighters now talking shit to him.

• 2:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was Kevin Holland. Yeah, Kevin Holland and him had some sort of a disagreement.

• 2:30:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they don't get that? He don't get like legend status? Like where you gotta let it slide?

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Young guys are, you know how they are.

• 2:30:38Speaker 01

  But, cause that's like, that's like, like if Randy Couture say something out of pocket.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:30:42Speaker 01

  And you're a fighter, like you gotta let that slide.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Slide. He's a legend. Rampage is a legend. You know, it's like, there's a lot of guys, he just, he's, you know, when you talk about BJ Penn, talk about him with respect.

• 2:30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause it, cause it also like, it doesn't, it doesn't look good.

• 2:30:56Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  You arguing with.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  Especially like, I'll fight you right now, like that kinda shit, like.

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  Right. That's not a good look, bro.

• 2:31:02Joe Rogan?

  Especially the guy like paved the way. Like Rampage was, this was like when Rampage fought Chuck, what year was that? Was that like 2003? What year was that?

• 2:31:11Speaker 01

  I'mma guess, I'mma guess 05.

• 2:31:12Joe Rogan?

  Was it 2007?

• 2:31:14Speaker 03

  Oh wait, this is in the UFC though. That Pride fight was different.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well Rampage knocked Chuck out.

• 2:31:19Speaker 01

  That was like 05 probably.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  In the UFC too.

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Rampage caught Chuck with a, a right hook.

• 2:31:27Speaker 03

  3 the video was.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  2003. So then they fought again in 2007, is that what happened? Show that one. Uh, yeah, Rampage knocked out Vanderlei Silva. He lost to Vanderlei Silva twice though, brutally, in, in the, in Pride. The, one of the fights was fucking brutal. Brutal. Brutal knockout. He, he got kneed in the face and went through the ropes unconscious. So this is Chuck and Rampage in the UFC. This is when Rampage won the title. And you know, Chuck had already fought him once and got stopped, so he was wary, but this was when.

• 2:32:01Speaker 01

  This is way past his Pride, Chuck, right?

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  No, he was in his prime, man. He was still in his prime. He was the champion.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Chuck was the champion at this point in time. But Rampage was fucking good, man. He was fucking good. And just so dangerous. Boom.

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  And I was saying he's the funniest guy in MMA. He's very funny. I actually interviewed him, uh, on, I did that UFC show for a while. I forget what it's called. But it was, uh, we hung out together, we rolled, we did jujitsu. Went and got something to eat. But he's very funny, dude. He used to have this crazy monster truck.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  There it is. Boom.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  That's how he won the title.

• 2:32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was awesome.

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Chuck's confused, but you know, that's what happens when you get knocked out. You don't know what the fuck happened. You think you're fine.

• 2:33:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't know what happened. You get shut off. You're like, what happened? Like, sometimes guys get shut off and then they, they dive for the, the referee's legs and they think they're still fighting and they take the referee down.

• 2:33:17Speaker 01

  I seen them do swinging at the ref.

• 2:33:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. They don't know what's happening. I mean, a lot of these guys are on like full fight or flight after they get tagged. They're just, and it's just chaos. They don't know what they're seeing. Referees get hit all the time.

• 2:33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why I was like, look how tiny, you saw how tiny that motherfucker was? Like, what you gonna do? What are you, what are you stopping in there?

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Right. How are you gonna get Rampage off of Chuck Liddell?

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  I seen like Herb Dean like dive it motherfuckers and move them.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, you need, you got, Herb's a big guy. You know, that's what you want. Or a strong person. Like you, you have to have like physical strength.

• 2:33:45Speaker 01

  He's gonna ask you politely.

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, imagine like Francis is fighting. If Francis fights, how are you gonna get Francis off somebody?

• 2:33:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, how are you even gonna move him?

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  And, and it's like, there's no way that like Herb Dean's stronger than Francis Ngannou.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  Impossible.

• 2:33:58Speaker 01

  But it's like, but you gotta be strong enough that they feel you. Like, they snapped him out, you know?

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't be 125 pounds and, and refereeing that fight.

• 2:34:05Speaker 01

  I thought that was a woman at first.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Mark Goddard's good too. He's a big dude.

• 2:34:08Speaker 01

  Mark Goddard?

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's great for those big fights. Cause he's, he's big.

• 2:34:11Speaker 01

  I don't think I've seen him in person.

• 2:34:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you seen Mark?

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  I met Herb Dean.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  He's one of the best referees. The best referees, I mean, there's quite a few of them. Um, that are really, really good, but I always say the gold standard is Herb. He's the gold standard and Big John, when he was doing it, he was the gold standard.

• 2:34:24Speaker 01

  He stopped?

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he does commentary now. John does commentary. Well, he's doing it for Bellator, but I think Bellator is now no longer. So he also has a podcast with Josh Thompson.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Who's that one referee that Dana White hated?

• 2:34:36Joe Rogan?

  Steve Masagari. Yeah.

• 2:34:38Speaker 01

  What happened to him? Is he still the referee?

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I haven't seen him in a while. I think I saw him at a kickboxing event many years later.

• 2:34:45Speaker 01

  He says like, that dude is never gonna work again. Like, that's wild shit to say and mean it.

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people make mistakes, you know?

• 2:34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what did he, what was his fuck up though? He fucked up bad, right?

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  He fucked up a few of them. There's a few of those guys that fucked up a few too many fights. And then they just, you know, you just can't after a while. We need someone reliable. And when you got a guy like Mark Goddard, who almost never fucks, everybody is gonna fuck up. They have the second hardest job. The first hardest job is the fighter. Second hardest job is the referee.

• 2:35:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  Third hardest job is probably the judge. My job's easy.

• 2:35:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the ref, the ref is, they can only see from one angle.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah. But we miss shit all the time and we have monitors. At least the refs have, or excuse me, the, um, the judges have monitors now. They didn't used to have monitors. In the early days, we had to fight to get them monitors. We're like, we should be able to show them stuff in the replay that the crowd is seeing. Cause sometimes you think a guy got knocked down, but he didn't. He just tripped.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 2:35:44Joe Rogan?

  And it looks like he got knocked down, but it really, he just got punched on the shoulder and they just fell down. That happened in that fight with Islam Makachev and, uh, Moicano. Moicano caught him with a right hand. It looked like he hit him. We thought he dropped him. But really what happened is he kinda hit him in like the shoulder and they tripped legs together. And Islam fell down. And then Islam got, we thought he was hurt. So if you were judging that, I mean, Islam finished him in the first round. He subbed him in the first round. So it didn't matter. But if you saw that fight and if that went to the distance and you said, oh my God, he's hurting him. He's, he's, he's rocking him on the feet. You would maybe score that round for Moicano. When if you saw the replay, you go, oh, he didn't rock him. He just slipped.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  So you don't have a monitor.

• 2:36:30Speaker 01

  Can they hear you all too?

• 2:36:31Joe Rogan?

  No, they shouldn't be able to hear us because maybe.

• 2:36:34Speaker 01

  It's biased.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe we frame it in a way that's different than the way they think it. The whole reason to have three different point of views is to have three different expert perspectives. You don't want them hearing what me and DC are saying.

• 2:36:45Speaker 01

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  You want them like watching the fight. Cause if we're on someone's nuts, you know, and then this guy's like, oh, he definitely is winning. You know, and maybe the people at home are like, fuck you, the other guy was winning. Like, there's a few of those fights.

• 2:36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, some were, it has, it's been a while, no it hasn't, since there was like a really questionable one.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's an interesting one, not a questionable one, but an interesting one is Marab versus Umar. So Marab, Dwawichwili and Umar Nurmagomedov, they go to the distance, five round fight. Uh, Marab winds up winning the decision.

• 2:37:15Speaker 01

  Those on that same card?

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, amazing fight, amazing fight, probably the best 135 pound title fight in the history of the sport. It was incredible, it was so well matched. They went back and forth. Umar apparently broke his hand in the first round, was still throwing it for the whole fight. He took, he wound up taking Marab down and nobody expected that, he got Marab's back.

• 2:37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  He won the first two rounds and the, the question is the third round. And so I watched it a couple of times and me and John Anick and Daniel Cormier have been going back and forth with text about this. I was like, man, that third round is so close. It's so close, I could see judges giving it to Umar. He landed more strikes on the feet, he did get one takedown, Marab got a couple takedowns, but he didn't do much with the takedown. But Daniel had a really good point that at the end of it, Marab's was accelerating and it looked like Umar was starting to get tired.

• 2:38:06Speaker 01

  See, I thought, see, I tuned in at that point. I started that pay-per-view at that third round. So I hadn't seen the previous two rounds.

• 2:38:14Joe Rogan?

  But at the end of the third round, Umar has Marab's back. He's behind him and he's controlling him against the cage. And he had wound up taking Marab down at one point in time. So it's like, he landed a lot of strikes on the feet. Like probably did more actual damage, but Marab did take him down more and Marab was pushing the pace. And Marab did also land shots, like it was close. It's the third round that's the real close one, cause I gave the first two rounds to Umar. And then you get into the third, you're like, ooh, that's the one, that one's close. Because the fourth and the fifth were clearly Marab was coming on strong. Marab was like, it was astonishing, his endurance. Astonishing.

• 2:38:57Joe Rogan?

  His fucking cardiovascular systems off the charts.

• 2:39:00Speaker 01

  It was a good ass fight.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  His cardio is fucking insanity. It's insanity.

• 2:39:05Speaker 01

  It's like Michael Chandler.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  But I would be very happy to see that fight again, very happy.

• 2:39:09Speaker 01

  I never see Michael Chandler get tired.

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 2:39:12Speaker 01

  Like, remember his last fight when he lost? Yeah, but he's sitting there standing up with a motherfucker on his back in the last round.

• 2:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:19Speaker 01

  Like, I never see him get tired.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  No, he's an animal. Well, he trains like nobody. I mean, his strength and conditioning routines, you can watch them online, they're fucking crazy. Cam Haynes went and trained with him once. Said he's a maniac, but that's his weapon. Like, to have that kind of cardio, that kind of discipline, to have that kind of cardio.

• 2:39:38Speaker 01

  Some people just wired different, man.

• 2:39:39Joe Rogan?

  It's also the work ethic, man, you have to have that work ethic. Cause he's been doing it for a long time. And to still have that work ethic.

• 2:39:47Speaker 01

  That's what I mean. Even the best, the best people in the world, they get tired of it, you know?

• 2:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's not tired of it, man. He's definitely not tired of it. He's still exciting, I mean, Olivera's one of the best in the world, he had Olivera hurt in that third round. He had him hurt. Like, he had some moments in that third round, you're like, holy shit. Like, this is a real fight, and Olivera is as good as it gets. He's one of the best submission artists in the history of the sport, and he couldn't get him. Got him in the first fight, though. First fight, he KO'd him, remember? Hit him with that clean left hook.

• 2:40:18Speaker 01

  I don't remember.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Chandler had him real hurt in the first round, rocked, on his back, fighting him off in the first round. And then they start in the second round, Chandler moves straight to him, and Olivera just pieces him up.

• 2:40:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I do remember, yeah, I do remember that.

• 2:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, he hit him with a clean left hook, it was clean.

• 2:40:34Speaker 01

  I think I was there.

• 2:40:35Joe Rogan?

  You might have been there.

• 2:40:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, we, man, we had some good ass fights this year. And now, oh, and now Crawford's about to fight.

• 2:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he's gonna fight Canelo.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  I just hope he's big enough. I hope he's big enough to keep that dude off him, because Canelo hits so hard, man.

• 2:40:54Speaker 01

  That's one dude that like, I believe all the shit he be talking.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  Crawford? Yeah. Oh, he's good.

• 2:40:59Speaker 01

  He don't just be saying shit.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  They tried to say that like Errol Spence was damaged because of what Crawford did to him, because he was damaged from the car accident. I'm like, maybe. Or maybe Crawford would have done that three years ago. I think he's that good. He's just so skillful. He's so slick. And when he gets, and he's also the best guy in the sport at switch hitting. He'll go from southpaw to orthodox and be just as good and trip you up. Like you're thinking he's gonna start southpaw, he starts orthodox. You prepare for orthodox, he's fighting southpaw. He feels like he's got you timed better orthodox, he'll switch it up.

• 2:41:33Speaker 01

  He's super accurate.

• 2:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he just knows so much about boxing, about where to be and what's coming and...

• 2:41:40Speaker 01

  He makes it, he's a strategist that's also entertaining.

• 2:41:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:45Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  He's an artist.

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Remember like a young, like a young b-hop?

• 2:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:48Speaker 01

  It was like, just so sharp and made it look almost entertaining, you know what I mean?

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Roy Jones in his prime. It was art. You were watching art. He's piecing up people. It was an art form. All right, Brian Simpson. Let's wrap this bitch up. Bring it home.

• 2:42:03Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 2:42:03Joe Rogan?

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• 2:42:08Speaker 01

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• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Netflix special.

• 2:42:11Speaker 01

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• 2:42:13Joe Rogan?

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• 2:42:13Speaker 01

  Streaming right now.

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Thank you, brother.

• 2:42:15Speaker 01

  Later, man. Thank you.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 2:42:17Speaker 01

  Oh, you know what? One thing we gotta talk about. I wanted to thank you for sending people to go watch that clip of WAP on YouTube.

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:42:26Speaker 01

  It got a lot of...

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  One of the best videos, or one of the best bits of all time. I love that bit. All right, go see it. It's on YouTube. Bye, everybody.

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