Ep. 625: MeatEater Radio Live! Whitetail Photography and a Monkey Escape with Steve, Spencer, and Janis

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en, Steve Rinella https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en, Janis Putelis https://www.instagram.com/janis_putelis/, and Phil Taylor https://www.instagram.com/philtaylor25/?hl=en. Guests: Renown whitetail photographer Matt Hansen https://www.instagram.com/matthansenphotography/ and journalist Mitchell Black https://www.postandcourier.com/users/profile/mitchell%20black/ with the Post and Courier. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:27Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time on November 14th and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host Spencer Duarth, joined today by Steve Rinella and Giannis Poutellas. On today's show, we're interviewing the world's greatest whitetail deer photographer, Matt Hansen. Then, we've got a migration report from Flying Vs. Matt McCormick, followed by One Minute Fishing with Dr. Randall Williams. After that, we'll look at old hunting and fishing pictures for a new segment called Throwback Thursday. And finally, we'll interview a journalist about how 43 monkeys escaped a South Carolina research facility. But first-

• 3:29Steven Rinella?

  I think it's more about- Go ahead.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  What do you got?

• 3:32Steven Rinella?

  A few things. The whitetail deer photographer, I don't view it, it's not gonna be an interview, it's gonna be a criticism.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Okay, by one of our three hosts, yes.

• 3:42Steven Rinella?

  You're not gonna interview about how they escaped. It's kinda more about like, what about how they escaped?

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 3:49Steven Rinella?

  Cause like, you'd have to interview the monkeys.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Well, how would you phrase it then? What do you think the interview's about?

• 3:54Steven Rinella?

  We're gonna talk to him about the escape of a bunch of monkeys, not how did they escape.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  I think that'll be the subject.

• 3:59Steven Rinella?

  If you had one of the monkeys coming on, and we're like, we're gonna talk to the monkey about how he escaped, I'd be like, oh, that's interesting.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Well, maybe our journalist has talked to one of these monkeys, because I've heard that they've captured some by now.

• 4:10Steven Rinella?

  Oh, well, okay. I had another problem with something you said, but go on.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Oh, you go on. What else?

• 4:19Steven Rinella?

  No, no, I'm just glad to be here.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  It seems like it. Yanni, first thing, tell us about your Wisconsin whitetail hunt. Steve, is this, is this alright? Does this interest you?

• 4:30Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  No, okay. Just talk to me.

• 4:32Steven Rinella?

  I already know what happened.

• 4:33Speaker 03

  Talk to me.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  Do you? How do you know what happened?

• 4:36Steven Rinella?

  I saw a picture.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Killed a nice bark.

• 4:39Steven Rinella?

  It's like, what more is there to say?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:42Steven Rinella?

  Fixers speak for themselves.

• 4:43Speaker 04

  I hear ya. You know, there's a point in the fall too where you get to the point, like, early on, where I'm like, "Man, I wanna hear everybody's hunting story," you know, detail by detail. And then as it wears on, when someone has killed one, I'm like, "Good! Awesome deer!" And then, let's move on.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  And where are you at now in that?

• 5:01Speaker 04

  I'm still, I'm still pretty keen on listening to hunting stories, yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Somebody said to me last week, they said, "The Meat Eater, like, group chat must be popping off right now." Like, everyone's like, "The rut's doing this, I just saw this, my trail cams are blowing up." I said, "No, in fact, it's not. Uh, there was a group chat, but then Yanni just started texting me on the side, because we were the only ones who were engaging."

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was a little offended by those fu- by those guys. You know, I, I, when I use the F-word on them, you know, it's, it's an, it's an endearment, but...

• 5:31Steven Rinella?

  The F-word being offended? Like, offended?

• 5:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 5:34Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  It starts with FU and then it ends in ERS.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  But Yanni stopped it about the FU in there.

• 5:40Steven Rinella?

  Oh, he left out the "c."

• 5:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I started, it was basically the group from one week in November, so if you go back and watch that, you can see who I'm talking about. But I texted all of them and was kinda like, starting the rut, whitetail rut, group chat.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  And dead silence from everybody besides Spencer. And after a couple back and forth, I'm like, "Well, I guess we're chopped liver, buddy." And, uh, yeah, so I just started texting directly to Spencer.

• 6:07Steven Rinella?

  When I get into a group text, I, I, I like, I'll look, but I don't want, I don't, I don't engage. I, I look, but I don't add to it.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  But that's, you're, you're a bad, you're a bad member then, of the group chat.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Not, not a desirable person to have in the group chat at that point.

• 6:26Steven Rinella?

  My, my, my neighborhood has a group chat.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 6:30Steven Rinella?

  And it's mostly like, it'd be like, "Oh, there's a bear over there," like, "There's two moose fighting in the yard," or like, "We saw potential pervert drive through." Stuff like that. And one day I was gonna send one out because my kids pigeons went to live somewhere else. We don't know where they went to live.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  How many?

• 6:48Steven Rinella?

  And I was gonna, two.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:50Steven Rinella?

  And I was gonna send out a note saying, if you see these pigeons, let me know. But then I didn't. And I said, I was sitting at the dinner table, I said, this will be the first time I've ever engaged with the neighborhood group chat.

• 7:01Speaker 03

  That seemed worthy of a text.

• 7:02Steven Rinella?

  And my kids teased me about it and then I changed my mind and didn't do it.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  I think that sort, that sort of group chat, that's acceptable behavior because it's not a group of friends. It's a, it's a grand, on a grander scale, it's an entire neighborhood. There's probably thirty people, maybe forty people.

• 7:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, quite a few.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  Anyways, I felt a little bit shunned that no one else wanted to, I mean, we know that everybody else is hunting deer. And that they didn't want to participate. Anywho.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  I shouldn't have to find out on Instagram that Mark Kenyon killed a buck. He should be texting.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  That's what I'm talking about right there.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  That's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll know, buddy, when I'm off Instagram, you'll know immediately if you're in my circle or not. Because you either will be getting texts, hey, how's the rut going? Or you won't be.

• 7:49Steven Rinella?

  You didn't send me anything. I got a little group text with two people about my beaver cam. Do you want to be on that?

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Sure, we'll start a new one. You know, Chester needs to be in it because I was, Yanni was the middle man.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Chester's in.

• 8:03Steven Rinella?

  Is this really all that's gonna happen in this show?

• 8:04Speaker 03

  No, no, no. Well, I'll tell you this, we set aside ten minutes for Yanni's.

• 8:09Speaker 04

  How many minutes do I have left?

• 8:10Speaker 03

  You got five to go.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 8:12Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 8:14Speaker 04

  I, uh.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  I had a feeling this would happen.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  I start, no. I started hunting November 4th was my first day. The area that I was hunting.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Four minutes.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  The area that I was hunting, um.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  This is a, there's been a trend now where the weather forecast is a quarter inch of rain for the entire day. And then thirty-six hours later, someone's like, oh, did you hear it? It rained three inches in so-and-so county. Well, that's what I had. So it got so bad the second day that I actually pulled out of the stand at noon because I was afraid that my camera was just gonna get waterlogged and. You know, shit the bed.

• 8:54Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  So, day three, uh, good wind. I sit on a high ridge for the morning hunt. No deer. I move down to food for the evening. No deer come by me. I see food out, or deer come out in the ag fields. But nothing, I wouldn't call it like a deer sighting because it wasn't in my little bubble, right? It wasn't like, oh, I might get a shot.

• 9:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you could've drove around and seen some deer.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Day four, the wind is just right. Four, the oak flat. I'm like, I'm gonna go sit the oak flat. Uh, first thing in the morning.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  Pretty good buck. I sent you a picture of the buck and you're like, that's not a shooter? I'm like, well, what you don't know is that he's like, got a nice frame, but like, he has got one long time. It's like five inches long and everything else is, these little nubs, so.

• 9:43Steven Rinella?

  There's a good photo of him.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I tell you what, that morning, because it had, we had so much rain. He comes walking across the oak flat and those dark antlers are all wet. And the sun's just kind of punching through a little bit, getting enough angle. And so those antlers are glistening and, you know, we all say, oh, we like to pass on these deer. But in all honesty, if you even hesitate on that whitetail deer, I don't care if it's a doe or a buck. You hesitate and this, you know, it's not like you're sitting there going, well, let me bring out the pros and cons of this buck. You hesitate, you pass that buck. Cause that's kind of what happened. I was like, eh, I don't know.

• 10:19Steven Rinella?

  Oh, he's already gone.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  I'm like, oh, that opportunity's gone.

• 10:22Steven Rinella?

  Can you save one quick, cut him off where I have like 10 seconds?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  You got two minutes, Yanni.

• 10:27Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's really?

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Um.

• 10:30Steven Rinella?

  Save me 10 seconds.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  And, uh, so he comes through first. A, uh, a seven point comes through, maybe like two hours later. Um, at that point, I'm thinking, man, if I can get like a buck to come through every two hours today in November 7. Yeah, I'm gonna have a hell of a day. Well, the next two deer are does and, but they do come in on like the every two hour schedule. And then the uh, the fifth deer is a doe, she comes through at about 3:30. And um, you know, I figured out a way to kind of get through the all day grind of the whitetail rut.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Look at your cellphone.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  Something huh?

• 11:06Speaker 03

  You look at your cellphone.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  There is that, I try not to because the oak flat, the farthest spot I can range is 86 yards. So when deer shows up, by the time you actually see it, he's probably at 75 or 70 and they're, they're walking, they're coming.

• 11:19Steven Rinella?

  You don't have time to text, I gotta go. Into your group chat.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  And um, so I try not to do that, but you can always tell yourself something, right? It's like, there's the morning, oh, the morning's exciting. Oh, then there's the midday, well, that's when the big bucks are on their feet cruising because the does are bedded. And that's when the big buck's going to come through and then you get to three and you're like, oh, now it's the prime time until five, until dark, right?

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  So doe comes in at 3:30. She's not supposed to go behind me because I've got this wall of cut maples thrown down. That is supposed to deter any deer to get behind me and uh, and downwind of me, yes. She takes a split second look at it and just weaves right into there. And I'm like, son of a bitch, you know? Like she hesitated, but not long enough to change her mind, you know? So I had my bone in hand, I was gonna shoot her, no opportunity.

• 12:10Steven Rinella?

  Why were you gonna shoot her?

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Because I'm, I'm just into shooting deer, so I'm uh, you know.

• 12:17Steven Rinella?

  I thought you were big buck hunting, sorry.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  Well, I was, but I was also doe hunting.

• 12:21Speaker 03

  Help some big buck hunt.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  And uh, so 45 minutes later, I mean, picture perfect. What I love about seeing these whitetails in those uh, uh, midwestern deciduous woods. The first thing that material, materializes is that white set of antlers, right? Cause their body just blends in like part of the, the, it's the tapestry, you know, of, of the ground and, and the trees. And so it's like all of a sudden, there's this rack and then two steps later, sort of like the ghost of the body, you know, shows up. And like this buck, I'm like, oh yeah, like shooter, I'm on it.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  He's on the trail of the doe and I'm thinking, oh, he's gonna do the same thing. Like my little wall that I've done here is not gonna stop him. So I swing around the tree, get the camera pointed at him. He comes into my shooting lane, I'm at full draw, I give him the map, but I gave him a map, he didn't hear me.

• 13:17Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  If anybody's still out hunting there, if you're gonna give him the old map to stop him, do it loud. If you're gonna do it at a three or a four, do it at like a nine or a 10. I don't think they're gonna jump out of their skin and run the other way just because you give them a loud map. So he goes through my shooting lane and I'm like, oh, well, that's it. Well, he gets to my little wall.

• 13:38Steven Rinella?

  The mag, no line.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, he gets there and he's like, huh. Takes two steps back, takes a right and then comes right.

• 13:47Steven Rinella?

  Big old rack wouldn't fit through it.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  And then takes, comes right underneath my stand at 10 yards. Unfortunately, I was already at full draw, so I couldn't swing the camera and stay on him. So I'm pretty sure he walked out of frame for the shot. But 10 yards, scapula, rib on the way in, rib on the way out, pass through. I ranged the spot where he's standing at 10, where I shot him. When I watched him, where he fell over, I ranged him on the ground at 49 yards.

• 14:16Steven Rinella?

  No way.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Wonderful.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  Boom.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Read the script.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 14:20Steven Rinella?

  Dude, that's awesome.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  Good on you, Ian. Steve, what's your 10 second?

• 14:24Steven Rinella?

  Oh, just so I want you to know, cause I'm trying to sell you on this little scheme me and poverty Pat are working out.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  You don't have to sell me.

• 14:30Steven Rinella?

  Well, listen, I'm sending out two mullet trees.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, and I'll give you the login.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:36Steven Rinella?

  He's gonna send them out.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  That's a group text I'd like to get in on.

• 14:39Steven Rinella?

  So we're sending out a couple mullet trees out there.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Two isn't enough.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:43Steven Rinella?

  Well, I just happen to have two sitting on my workbench.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:46Steven Rinella?

  I was saying, you can have those.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 14:47Steven Rinella?

  We're gonna send them out, I can add more to it.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 14:50Steven Rinella?

  I'll give you the login and we're gonna find out what all is what.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  I'm in. I think I know what's there and it's big whitetail bucks.

• 14:56Steven Rinella?

  The only reason I'm inviting you.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 14:58Steven Rinella?

  Is to make him jealous.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Oh, good. So you're already telling me I'm out?

• 15:03Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Good.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Cause poverty Pat was kinda running this uh, this whole idea by me too.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  What?

• 15:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, I didn't want to tell you.

• 15:11Steven Rinella?

  Well, it is kinda like his deal. So maybe you're out Spencer.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  He brought it up at the Missoula live show to me and I was kinda poking around then like, oh, where's this property at? How many acres and where, how many, where do the cattle at on this property?

• 15:23Speaker 04

  I think we put the full court meat eater press on this next call.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  We'll figure it out off air.

• 15:30Steven Rinella?

  I hope poverty Pat's not listening because he's gonna probably, he might take all this the wrong way.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna be.

• 15:35Steven Rinella?

  As long as I don't wind up being out. If I wind up being out, I'm gonna be pissed.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Speaking of picture perfect whitetail scenes like Yanni had, our next guest is the world's greatest whitetail deer photographer, Matt Hansen. If you don't know his name, you certainly know his work, which has been used across the hunting industry. Matt, welcome to the show.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  Hey, what's up guys? How's it going?

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Good. Matt, tell us where you're standing today, not in the office.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  Nice soggy midwestern day. Um, I'm in one of my honey holes. Uh, well, it used to be a honey hole. One buck wandered in October 24th, so I guess one buck's better than none.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Okay, one of your honey holes. Now tell us about the kinds of places that you take these wonderful pictures. Is it private grounds, state parks, national parks, city parks, uh, like, like what's, what's your favorite spots to, to get these great photos?

• 16:28Speaker 05

  Yes. All the above. Um, right now I'm in a metro area. So it's more like a city park surrounded by neighborhoods. And I have three or four of these kinda spots. And then I also do the national parks. I have some state parks. And then some wildlife refuges.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  Okay. Steve, the floor is yours.

• 16:48Steven Rinella?

  So. Well, you want me to tell them?

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  Hold on, but first Matt, are you, are you hunting with the camera today or with a bow?

• 16:58Speaker 05

  Camera.

• 16:59Steven Rinella?

  Okay. Do you hunt? Do you hunt with a bow or hunt with anything?

• 17:03Speaker 05

  I do. Yep, I do. I shot a mule deer and a pronghorn last month in Wyoming. But I normally do like one hunt every few years. I haven't killed a whitetail in probably four years.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Huh. Now, Steve had some thoughts about where some of these photos.

• 17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I want to hear this criticism.

• 17:23Steven Rinella?

  Okay, well, what I was sharing with the boys here, and you know, if you're doing food photography, the food needs to, the food needs to be edible. Okay? Like in the old days, if you were like, if you're advertising place settings, I think you can get away with the food not being edible. But if it's food photography, the food is edible. So on a food shoot, you might, they used to like take a turkey and they would literally varnish a turkey, right? Now that you get has to be food, has to be edible. I feel that should be illegal. Like, I think if you're putting a deer, a photo of a deer in a hunting context, meaning on a hunting magazine, hunting website, that should be a huntable deer.

• 18:09Steven Rinella?

  I don't think it's fair.

• 18:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 18:12Steven Rinella?

  To put a not huntable deer in a hunting publication. I think it should be illegal.

• 18:20Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  All right, I hear that.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Matt, what, so like what percentage of whitetails that you photograph are not huntable?

• 18:32Steven Rinella?

  Cause you're getting people excited and it's not true.

• 18:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  Well, it's just like all the elk photos you see. So you gotta talk to the elk photographers.

• 18:43Steven Rinella?

  That should be illegal too.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Uh, Matt, tell folks where they've seen your pictures before.

• 18:51Speaker 05

  Uh, just generally all the hunting magazines. Um, currently I have Peterson's Hunting Cover and then North American Whitetail Cover. I think I have a Spread and Bowhunter.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  And then all the hunting companies as well. Um, Cabela's, Bass Pro, you guys. Spencer's been very good to me for the website doing, I think it's over 200 articles now.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 19:14Speaker 05

  Uh, some images, so, yep.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  And how, how many covers?

• 19:18Speaker 05

  Deer related.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  How many covers have you had in your life, magazines?

• 19:23Speaker 05

  It's well over a hundred now. Um, I've been doing this for about 10 years. It really took traction five years ago. So probably about 80 in the past five years.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  And how was the?

• 19:32Speaker 05

  It's been a good run.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  How has the whitetail photography business changed over the last decade then? Is it, uh, is it getting harder to make a living doing this?

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Yes, but obviously with the, um, everything changing to online makes some things difficult, but I'm gonna go positive here and say the concentration on big racks has lessened in the past decade.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 19:57Speaker 05

  And that's really helped me because about half my covers are 140 inch deer or smaller. And 10, 20 years ago, I would have barely sold any of those. So that's a huge positive in the hunting industry. And I think you guys have a lot

• 20:15Speaker 05

  of blame or credit for that. Uh, because, uh, MeatEater, obviously you shoot big animals when you see them, but you're not completely picky every time you go out, which has been a huge help for me.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Cause I, uh, I'd much rather a decent, mature buck in a gorgeous scene than just a giant buck in a really messy scene.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  Steve, you feel a little bad now for criticizing him?

• 20:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:41Steven Rinella?

  But what's, the wheels that are turning in my head.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 20:44Steven Rinella?

  Is let's say, like, how much, uh, goodwill would you get if, if a publication or an online thing said, you know what, bro? All of our deer, all of our wildlife photography is hunnable game.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Hmm, I thought you were gonna go a different direction, say like Field and Stream should put a spike on their cover.

• 21:01Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, I don't care what they do.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Okay. Matt, uh, tell us, tell us about your favorite, tell us about your favorite photo of all time that you've ever taken in this last decade of whitetail deer photography.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  Okay. There's a lot of them, but the one that comes to mind is probably my most well-known one. Um, it's just a really nice buck with a huge vapor cloud in a snowy setting. Which was actually, I looked up the um, exis, exif data, it was November 14th, so today in 2018.

• 21:34Steven Rinella?

  Let's see it, Phil.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  It's not prep, Steve.

• 21:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh. That's called BAP.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:43Steven Rinella?

  Bad at producing.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Okay, so your favorite photo, how, how big was that whitetail that you took? Was, was he a giant or was he just one of your standard ones?

• 21:53Speaker 05

  He's pretty big. Um, he's in the 150s, I would say.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  And it's the vapor cloud, that's his breath?

• 22:00Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  So backlit, really cold morning, and he's right on the edge of a clearing, so I was in the woods, he was right on the edge of the woods and I was shooting back towards the field.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Phil is gonna, uh, work on getting that photo.

• 22:16Speaker 04

  I got a question while we're waiting on that.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  What, uh, Matt, what, is there like a, a behavior, a deer behavior that you think that you've noticed over the years of doing this with the camera? That maybe most whitetail deer hunters don't know about or, or aren't, aren't like privy to, something that you've seen because of you're just, the amount of hours you've spent with these deer and bucks?

• 22:42Speaker 05

  And I feel a lot of hunters don't get up close and personal with a snort wheeze, and it's pretty intimidating and pretty awesome.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Hmm. Yeah, snort wheeze, if you don't know, that's, that's like the most aggressive, uh, vocalization that a whitetail has in his rolodex. That's telling another whitetail, uh, I'm gonna whoop your ass right now if you come over here, and that's, uh, that's what a snort wheeze is.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 23:06Speaker 03

  Matt, have you ever been photographing a deer that ends up getting shot?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  Yes, um, a lot on this property, actually.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 23:16Speaker 05

  So. So this used to be a really big hole.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  Twenty, we had seven really good bucks and we're down to one now. Um, so they come and go as they please and unfortunately, well, I hunt also, so it's not completely unfortunately. But if you just ask for permission, I think Michigan is a hundred and fifty yards. I don't know what other states in the Midwest are, but if you get written permission from neighbors at a hundred and fifty yards, you can bow hunt that animal. Um, and these deer are coming and going almost every day, so a lot get wiped out.

• 23:57Speaker 05

  Um, and then also a fun little thing, me and my buddy surprised our parents down at a Texas hunt. So we showed up the day before, uh, total surprise. And I actually photographed the buck that my dad shot the following day. So that's kind of cool. So he has the live and field kill shot in his office now, which is pretty neat.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  That's good. But have, have you ever been, uh, oh, okay. Phil, Phil now has Matt's favorite photo of all time on the screen.

• 24:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it looks like that deer eats squirrels, man.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Uh huh. When, when people say that a big buck for the, the cover of outdoor magazines, that's what they're talking about. Matt, where has that photo been used before?

• 24:40Speaker 05

  Uh, that was on the cover of Quality Whitetails. So actually that afternoon I went to a Chick-fil-A and immediately sent it to Lindsay. And he was like, yep. So then it was on the following cover.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  Normally, normally it doesn't happen that quickly because you shoot, like this year I'm going to be selling for next fall. But this was just a perfect thing that worked out. November fourteenth, there was still time for the winner issue to come out and it was just meant to be.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, that buck is worthy of an outdoor magazine. Uh, Matt, good luck with, uh, the rest of your photo taking and your hunting this fall. You can see Matt's work on our website, uh, any magazine rack you look at in a gas station or grocery store. Uh, if you see a beautiful picture of a whitetail, there's a decent chance that that belongs to Matt Hansen.

• 25:27Steven Rinella?

  God, Phil's tearing it up now. Look at all this whole, all these photos. He's tearing at a new one over there now.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  Says a WAP, which doesn't mean what you think it means.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  It means wonderful at producing, says Ryan. And if you are part of our YouTube audience, you can see these wonderful pictures.

• 25:46Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I like that one too. Good job, Phil.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  All right. Thank you, Matt. Have a good day in the woods.

• 25:52Steven Rinella?

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• 26:34Steven Rinella?

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• 27:17Steven Rinella?

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• 27:34Speaker 06

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• 27:49Steven Rinella?

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• 28:32Steven Rinella?

  Head to zamberlandusa.com for handcrafted boots for every season. Zamberlandusa.com. You're gonna love getting your feet into a set of these.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  All right, our next segment is the migration report.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  What? You boys like that?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  I couldn't understand what it said.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Now, the migration report is where Matt McCormick gives a waterfowl hunting forecast for each flyway. Take it away, Matt.

• 29:13Speaker 07

  Hey, guys. I'm Matt McCormick with Flying V, and welcome to the MeatEater Migration Report for November 14, 2024. I'm reporting to you live from the gorge here in southwest Montana, and we are witnessing significant shifts in the waterfowl migration as we move deeper into November. Let's dive right in. Here in the Pacific Flyway, we have mega cold weather on the way. We're talking like, single digits up in Alberta. This cold snap will absolutely freeze up the small holding water up in Alberta and should push some of those birds from the Peace River area, hopefully all the way down into the States.

• 29:57Speaker 07

  The Pacific Northwest is already seeing a big influx of Wigeon on the front end of this storm. And although overall goose numbers are down over here in the Pacific Flyway, reports are showing good movement into all the staging areas across the Flyway. Here in Montana, we are experiencing a steady flow of ducks arriving daily over the last few weeks, but we're all ready for a little bit colder weather. In the Central Flyway, cold fronts and north winds have picked up the pace of the migration. There are still a pile of birds balled up right there at the Canadian-US border, but South Dakota does still hold a large concentration of both ducks and geese. The

• 30:42Speaker 07

  front end of that migration is pushing all the way down into Kansas and Oklahoma, and I know those guys down in Oklahoma are just beating them up right now on that leading edge. As temperatures continue to drop over the next few weeks, hunters can expect increased activity and fresh arrivals all along the Flyway. So if you guys are wondering if you should go hunting, now is the time. It's been a little bit of an unusual year for everybody in the Mississippi Flyway with temperatures being above average, but the migration is still progressing steadily. Recent rains have improved habitat conditions, setting the stage for prime duck hunting opportunities, and the geese aren't all that far behind. Hunters in Minnesota can look forward

• 31:27Speaker 07

  to those big migration days that everyone has been waiting for. They're on their way, boys, so call up your buddies, load up the guns, get in the pit, and go hunting because they're coming. Lastly, in the Atlantic Flyway, migration activity is gradually increasing. Much like the other parts of the country, colder temperatures and improved habitat conditions are expected to drive movement in the upcoming weeks. Hunters along the eastern seaboard should keep a close eye on weather patterns as they'll play a really big role in the timing and the volume of the incoming birds. I know that there's a bunch of birds up in the St. Lawrence region still, they will push down into you guys here shortly.

• 32:10Speaker 07

  That's it for this week's migration report. Whether you're hunting sheet water in the Pacific Northwest or gearing up for some big mig days in the Mississippi Flyway. The upcoming weather patterns are setting the stage for some killer hunting ahead. This is going to be exciting, guys. November is here. We're all looking forward to the cooler weather. Stay tuned for more updates and good luck out there. Back to you guys.

• 32:33Steven Rinella?

  Hot damn.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Hot damn.

• 32:35Steven Rinella?

  Phil, you know what you ought to do, man?

• 32:37Speaker 07

  What's that?

• 32:38Steven Rinella?

  I would rig it up where when he's doing that, it's got one of those weatherman things in the background.

• 32:43Speaker 07

  Hmm. That sounds like a lot of money and work.

• 32:47Steven Rinella?

  And he points and it's like all kinds of graphics and like arrows. Do you know what I mean?

• 32:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, that sounds incredible. I'd love to see it.

• 32:56Steven Rinella?

  That's how I would rig that up.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  Steve, I've seen some news lately about the geese arriving at Freeze Out Lake in Montana. That's a place I've heard you talk about.

• 33:04Steven Rinella?

  Dude, we used to do it every year.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  What's your relationship with that lake?

• 33:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, we'd go up to hunt snow geese.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 33:09Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. And we'd call the hotline. This is pre-internet. The internet wasn't as souped up as it is now.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:17Steven Rinella?

  Um, I liked it better back then. I was telling someone the other day, right in this room. The main thing I like about the internet is you can watch the world's greatest hockey goals of all time in slow motion.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  That's your favorite thing?

• 33:28Steven Rinella?

  There's so much more going on than you'd think is going on.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:31Steven Rinella?

  That's a good use of the internet. But I preferred it when you'd call the hotline.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:36Steven Rinella?

  And they would estimate, they'd be like 8,000 snows, 20,000 snows, 25,000 snows, and then you drop everything.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:45Steven Rinella?

  Go to Freeze Out.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  Does this hotline still exist?

• 33:47Steven Rinella?

  I don't know, man. I think it's all, I think it's all online now. It's stupid now.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Are you impressed by like the trickery of the shooter? Or the reaction of the goalie? Or when you're watching these slow mo hockey shots, what titillates you?

• 34:00Steven Rinella?

  The puck handling is on like, and the thing is, me and Randall were talking about this. Prior to this.

• 34:08Steven Rinella?

  Maybe two guys knew what happened.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 34:11Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:14Steven Rinella?

  The, the, like, maybe two people knew what exactly happened on that goal.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 34:19Steven Rinella?

  Meaning, when you're coming in and like, the puck's like, between your feet and you, and you like, backhand, no one knows. None of the spectators know.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 34:28Steven Rinella?

  No one knows. Also, they were aware that the puck's in the net. But they never knew what the guy did.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:35Steven Rinella?

  He has to go to the grave, knowing what he did, and no one knows what he did.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Well, no, he didn't make it to the grave, because the next day on SportsCenter, they showed it in slow-mo.

• 34:43Steven Rinella?

  I mean, back in the old days.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Ah, that old, okay.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm, that brings me joy, that those highlights bring you joy.

• 34:50Steven Rinella?

  My daughter's a hockey player.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 34:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Alright, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Oh, a lot of stuff. First of all, uh, Golden Arrow's wondering, Yannis, why are you wearing a Letterman's jacket? You want to talk about what you're wearing there? You know, I always wanted a Letterman's jacket when I was in high school. Did either of you ever own one?

• 35:10Steven Rinella?

  It has a big J on it and stuff.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  I had the letter, but I never went through with it and got the jacket.

• 35:15Steven Rinella?

  I don't think our school even had those.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  I got a letter too, for running cross-country.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  But, uh, I didn't get the jacket either. Yeah, same here. I got it for band. No, this was just sitting on my desk, and, uh...

• 35:26Steven Rinella?

  This badass.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I tried it on, and I thought, man, it fits really nice, so I decided to wear it for the show today.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Steve was trying to talk you out of it, so he could have it.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's probably too big, too big for Steve.

• 35:37Steven Rinella?

  One of my favorite Yanni stories of all time is he had a blaze orange Stormy Cromer hat, and he had it so long that it faded so much, and eventually a game warden told him that that was his last year with that hat.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Was it your last year, indeed?

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I got a new one.

• 35:53Steven Rinella?

  It's getting to be not that orange. He goes, "You can hunt this year, but next year I might have a new hat."

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  So not a Letterman's, not a Letterman's jacket?

• 36:02Speaker 04

  No, it's a Stormy Cromer Meat Eater collab. Uh, you can find it on the website. I bet you can find it on the Stormy Cromer website, too.

• 36:10Steven Rinella?

  That's nice, too, man.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  It's got like, a little quilting on the inside.

• 36:14Steven Rinella?

  If you can't afford that.

• 36:17Steven Rinella?

  Fucked up old shitters calendar.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Oh, but how did you have to say it for the folks that don't like the naughty language?

• 36:24Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, for Clay, I sent Clay, I made up a Clay Newcomb cover where it was dilapidated old potties. Because he does, but he said we could have used crappers and he still would have been okay with his family having it.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:35Steven Rinella?

  But yeah, dilapidated old potties, but it's actually not available. It's only available.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  For everyone else, you gotta get the F'd up.

• 36:41Steven Rinella?

  For everyone else, you have to have the swear word. I was listening to, you know, uh, well, quite surprised me, I think, I think like swear words are different now.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 36:49Steven Rinella?

  Six days before the election, uh, J D Vance was on Rogan's podcast and he said the F word.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:56Steven Rinella?

  So I'm like, okay, we're in a new era now.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:58Steven Rinella?

  You could be running for vice president and say the F word, it damn sure could be on this calendar.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  You think there was a time in your life where the vice president couldn't say the F word?

• 37:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it was seven days ago. It was seven days.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  I don't know, LBJ had had a pretty, had a pretty filthy mouth and I think it was, it was kinda like off the record, everyone knew.

• 37:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it was all that stuff that they, the secret tapes.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 37:19Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  So the calendar in the Meat Eater store and Yanni's spiffy, stormy chromer orange vest also in the store.

• 37:27Steven Rinella?

  Yep, and we're, and I'm taking suggestions for next, do we have time?

• 37:30Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 37:30Steven Rinella?

  I'm taking suggestions for next year's calendar where I was thinking, we were talking about doing fucked up old fish cleaning stations.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 37:36Steven Rinella?

  But it's hard to capture the image and it's hard to capture the smell.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. What are the other leading contenders?

• 37:43Steven Rinella?

  Fucked up old boats.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Okay, that's a good one.

• 37:46Steven Rinella?

  Fucked up old fishermen.

• 37:49Steven Rinella?

  And it's just pictures of fucked up old fishermen.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 37:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  That's the best one.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Do you know some?

• 37:54Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, a lot of them are dead, but.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  What would they look like?

• 37:58Steven Rinella?

  Well, we're gonna get to one.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 38:01Steven Rinella?

  When we, I don't like the name Throwback Thursdays, I think that's stupid.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 38:05Steven Rinella?

  But there's a.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  I didn't come up with throwback, that's like a social media thing.

• 38:08Steven Rinella?

  No, that's why it's stupid. Internet.

• 38:12Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you about one.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:13Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you about one.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  Phil, what else you got?

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Uh, votive, uh, just recognized that Phil and Steve remind me of my parents passively, aggressively arguing with each other in front of the kids. Votive, you should have heard us before the show.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  There was, there was a pretty earnest remark made by Phil that said, uh, Steve, I feel like you're mad at me a lot.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  And then I said that on days like today, I love my job.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, both those things happen.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Uh, opinions. On, um, I'm guessing just Pen raised birds being released on public land. It's our only good upland opportunity here in Illinois and Wisconsin. That's from Zach. You guys have any? I think you've shared some of this, Steve, occasionally, but it's a little wishy washy. We don't have to get into it, but you're on the spot here.

• 38:57Steven Rinella?

  I don't mind being put on the spot. Um,

• 39:01Steven Rinella?

  let's just say, if it was possible to take that money and effort and do the right habitat work to get wild birds on the ground. Um, I think that that would be a better use of time than it is to set up a sort of pretend amusement park type situation.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Yanni, anything to add?

• 39:30Speaker 04

  No, that I didn't know where Steve was going, but my first thought was that, uh, yeah, I just wish that we could put that energy into habitat and then have wild birds. Be great. But if it is your only opportunity, have fun.

• 39:45Steven Rinella?

  It's a complicated situation and we should do a whole thing about it. Thanks for springing that up, Phil.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  Yes. You're welcome, Steve. Last one before our next segment. Uh, this is kind of broad, but you guys are from the area sort of, so, uh, Thomas is asking. Do we still eat at Dave's Sushi? That's a great one. We could do that one, too.

• 40:04Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I'll talk about that at length.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Dave's or this?

• 40:07Steven Rinella?

  I'll talk about that at length.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Dave's or this question?

• 40:10Steven Rinella?

  I've been back.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Okay, let's go, let's we're switching. Okay. You guys still eat at Dave's Sushi?

• 40:13Steven Rinella?

  Listen, man.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  That's from Ben. Set the stage, set the stage. Nope.

• 40:18Steven Rinella?

  All right. Do we have time for this?

• 40:19Speaker 03

  We got time for anything we want to have time for.

• 40:21Steven Rinella?

  My, my favorite restaurant in, in, my favorite restaurant here used to be Dave's Sushi.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Oh, I didn't know this.

• 40:29Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's, yeah, dude.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:31Steven Rinella?

  It's a Rinella family favorite.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 40:33Steven Rinella?

  They bought some imported morel mushrooms. I didn't even know this existed. They bought some morel mushrooms that were cultivated and imported from China and they were serving them like in a not cooked, not cooked. They were like giving them a splash of vinegar, serving them uncooked. And they had a, uh, made a bunch of people sick and killed a couple of people.

• 40:58Steven Rinella?

  Uh, then everybody's like, oh, it's dangerous to eat at Dave's sushi. I said, well, not anymore. It ain't.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:03Steven Rinella?

  Guaranteed they're not selling that.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  It's like they say the safest day to fly was, you know, right after nine eleven.

• 41:08Steven Rinella?

  So I took my family down there to eat.

• 41:12Steven Rinella?

  Just as an act of defiance.

• 41:15Steven Rinella?

  But just something changed down there, man.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:17Steven Rinella?

  All the, just something changed.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  The vibe?

• 41:21Steven Rinella?

  The vibe, I ain't been back.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  So it's not your favorite anymore?

• 41:26Steven Rinella?

  I went that one time and I was like, by God, we're a Dave's family and that's, I don't want to hear about it. And then now we haven't been back. We're onto a new, we're onto a new thing now. We're onto, um, we're onto the wasabi.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 41:43Steven Rinella?

  I like the table because my kids like they squirt the Sprite in your mouth and they throw eggs in the air and shit.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Called wasabi? Yeah, it's a Benihana's comp here in Bozeman.

• 41:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, there's some of those guys, some of those guys get a little burned out over time and they don't put on a show.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 41:58Steven Rinella?

  That's our, me and my kids' favorite restaurant. My wife doesn't like it. And then I, I like the airworks. I like going there. And there's a lot of restaurants I hate.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  See, I've been to the, there's some other, there's some other sushi joints in our town and after the Dave's thing, I went to the other ones. And then I was like, man, if I'm going to eat sushi in this town, I'm going back to Dave's.

• 42:22Steven Rinella?

  Damn straight. I'll go with you.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  I, I haven't been back. You gotta win the lottery to go to his, and I love going to Izakaya.

• 42:31Steven Rinella?

  I know those guys though. I could, I could text and get in there.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Anniversary only dinner, you know?

• 42:36Steven Rinella?

  Here's the deal, man.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  That's, that's not enjoying this local Bozeman.

• 42:39Steven Rinella?

  I got, I got a list of restaurants.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Come eat when you come visit.

• 42:42Steven Rinella?

  I got a list of restaurants that long. From there to there that I'm actually boycotting.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Oh, why?

• 42:49Steven Rinella?

  Hate them so bad.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 42:50Steven Rinella?

  Hate them.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  I'm going to one tonight, a new one. That's why I've got this cardigan on.

• 42:55Steven Rinella?

  I was wondering why you had that on.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the only, this is the only office in the world where you could walk in with something. It's not like a meat eater t-shirt. And people are like, oh, look at, look at GQ over here. What are you going to the Queens funeral?

• 43:05Steven Rinella?

  Teasing me the other day about my shirt.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Really?

• 43:06Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. He's like a little fashion cop.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 43:09Steven Rinella?

  Look at him too.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  I threw on a cardigan. We're going to go to the, uh, the bitter root bistro tonight. New place in Bozeman.

• 43:15Steven Rinella?

  Where do you get fashion advice from Yadi here?

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll remember that. Phil, uh, let's, let's do one more comment here and then we gotta move on.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, this is, I mean, this could be a quick description. Uh, E Craig's Outdoors. Could you guys explain how thermals work and how to take them into account while hunting? Never really understood this.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Go ahead, Yanni.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  It's like a quick 101.

• 43:34Steven Rinella?

  Warm air rises. Oh, go ahead, Yanni.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, Phil, I, I don't think you did a great job producing this one, but.

• 43:40Steven Rinella?

  I'll do it.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  No, no, I can answer, but it's not a, uh, it's not, it's. Hey, yeah.

• 43:47Steven Rinella?

  Let me take a stab at it.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Thermals, I'm gonna go real quick. Well, listen, I'll do, I'll explain thermals very quickly. And then you can take them, you can explain how to take them into, into account while hunting. Okay, anywhere where you have, uh, a topography, meaning like some sort of hills, mountains, or even just little bitty hills, like 10, 20 feet.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  It doesn't work on flat ground. You need to have a place where there's air that's going to sink when it's cold down the side of a hill. And then when it warms up, it's going to rise. Okay, so the same way that if you put your hand over a fire, you can feel the heat well above the fire. But if you were able to put it like down below it or off to the side, it's not, you don't feel it quite as in the same distance. It's because the heat's rising. Well, it sinks when it gets cold too. Okay, so, uh, most days, like we're out hunting in Wisconsin, if the wind's not blowing, like in the first morning when it's super cold, at first light, the air is sinking down the hillsides. As the day warms, the air starts to rise up the hillsides.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Then again, in the evenings, the air cools and it's gonna sink down the hillsides. Okay? So that is how thermals work.

• 45:03Steven Rinella?

  Yep, I'll, I'll add a little tidbit.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:05Steven Rinella?

  Cold water can drive thermals as well, but let, let me back up and say this. I think of there being, I don't know if a meteorologist would agree. I think of there being two kinds of wind. There's wind that you go and look at the weather forecast and it tells you the wind's coming from the south. There's that wind. And then there's a localized thermal wind that has to do with temperature shifts. How do you use them? Let me give you an extreme version. It's very common. If you, let's, let's say you're, you're bow hunting elk. And you're looking at elk on a hillside and you know the best approach is to come from above. It's real common to not make a play and wait for the thermals to switch. And be like, I'm not going now because I, I need to come from above and the air go, is going uphill.

• 45:49Steven Rinella?

  I'm going to wait. The sun's going to set. The air is going to.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  No, no, no. You messed it up.

• 45:53Steven Rinella?

  Oh, am I? Where I, where I'm at?

• 45:54Speaker 04

  You need to come from above.

• 45:56Steven Rinella?

  You know you want to approach from above.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  Above. And at that moment, when you first seen him at first light, the air is still sinking.

• 46:03Steven Rinella?

  Oh no, I was in the, I was, I was looking at him midday. Either way, you know that, uh, as the air is cooling or when it's cold, the air is going to be going, uh, downhill. And when it's warm, the air is going to be going uphill and you might sit and be like, we're not going to do anything. We're going to lay here for three hours until the thermals switch. At which point we'll be able to do the approach in the way that makes sense for the wind. And that's not what the weatherman's telling you. That's the topographical wind change. Well, I was saying about creeks. You might always notice if you're in a, you might always notice if you're on a creek. Um, that has any kind of like canyon like aspect, you might always be like, the wind is always. With, with the current.

• 46:45Steven Rinella?

  Cause that air, that water is cooling that little bit of air and you have a little micro climb of thermal. With air coming down. So it's a good idea sometimes to sneak up creeks because you know that there's going to be an ever so slight. Downhill draft from that cool creek air.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Here's another example. One time I got busted by thermals. I was on a north facing, like deep dark timber hillside, right? Like I'm freezing my.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  My tail off, sitting there, and I'm looking at elk across the drainage that are in a south, on a south facing, quaky covered hillside, that's in the sun. And I can feel the air dropping right down to the creek below me. And I'm thinking, well, it's just gonna drop down in there and then just gonna keep on going out. Well, what my scent actually did was it went to the bottom, and then it caught that warm air that was going up the other side, and then went right up the other side to the elk and eventually busted me.

• 47:45Steven Rinella?

  Do I have more time still?

• 47:47Speaker 03

  No, it's almost like this question opened up a lot of hot tips and great conversation.

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Thanks, Phil.

• 47:52Steven Rinella?

  We talked about Poverty Pat earlier. The other day, I was with Poverty Pat, and we were looking at a wallow, and I was talking about how a fella could set up on that wallow, and I said, you'd wanna do two. You have to do two setups.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 48:06Steven Rinella?

  Because of the thermals.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Sure. A more detailed breakdown of this, we have two really good articles on themeat eater dot com. Understanding thermals in whitetail country from Tony Peterson.

• 48:17Steven Rinella?

  There you go.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  And then how to hunt a thermal hub from Beaumont Tonic, and that thermal hub, a lot of it has to do with Hunting Creek bottoms, like Sid talked about.

• 48:24Steven Rinella?

  And if you're, if you, if you need to approach a fucked up old shitter, you might play the thermals, depending on the condition.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  That's a hot tip.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Dude, Mark Canyon just interviewed, uh, John Eberhart and, um, oh, from Tethered, uh, not Ernie, what's the, what's his, no, what's, what's Ernie's partner's name? Greg Godfrey. He, uh, interviewed those two, and in there, they talk about thermals i- i- on the podcast. It's not the current episode, but the one before, uh, they thoroughly talk through thermals. So go listen to that.

• 48:57Steven Rinella?

  When I first saw that question come up, I thought he wanted to know how long John's worked.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  The only reason I thought it was bad, Phil, is because I knew we could talk about this for hours.

• 49:08Steven Rinella?

  Phil liked that joke. You see that? You had a little chuckle over there.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Moving on, our next segment is one minute fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead. Make my cast. One minute fishing is where we go. Go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Dr. Randall Williams, who's at the Meat Eater Office Pond. Today, Dr. Randall is fishing for a donation to TRCP. Steve, what are you seeing there when you look at the camera?

• 49:47Steven Rinella?

  I see that I see a homeless guy out by that pond with a Cleveland shirt on. So wherever he came from, no, Ohio State, sorry, wherever he came from, it was Ohio.

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay. Randall, give us a scouting report on the office pond. Have you made a cast yet?

• 50:06Speaker 07

  I made a few half-hearted casts about 25 minutes ago. And since then, we've just been trying to keep our hands warm. There's a good breeze coming in from the west. Maybe gusting up to 15 miles an hour or so. So I apologize in advance if Cory's hands are shaking because we're rather chilly.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  It's cold.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  Oh, that's fine. The connection's not great anyway. Do whatever you want.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  And what's your tactic today, Randall, to be successful in one minute?

• 50:32Speaker 07

  Well, I've got a number four Panther Martin with a yellow body, red spots. I believe it's been featured on this very segment in previous episodes. And I'm going to give it about two casts. I'm going to go one to the left, one to the right, and just see what happens. I don't have much confidence.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  Steve, what would you do if you were out there trying to catch a fish in one minute? Same thing?

• 50:54Steven Rinella?

  I'd take a big old fat leaf form and put about 20 inches below a bobber and hook that out and just have you start the clock.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  Okay, all right. Dr. Randall, your time starts when you make your first cast. Go ahead.

• 51:08Speaker 07

  Let's do this.

• 51:13Steven Rinella?

  What if he has a license? Wouldn't it be funny if he got like a citation?

• 51:17Speaker 03

  We had someone from the production side of the company do this a couple of weeks ago, and I asked them beforehand, I said, do you have a fishing license? And they did.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they didn't see it. First one got hung in the trees, you guys.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Well, the good news is you have 45 seconds to figure it out.

• 51:34Steven Rinella?

  You know what it ought to be? If they don't catch, they pay 500 bucks. If they do catch, we pay 500 bucks.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  The opposite thing will happen where right now we have a lot of people volunteering to do this segment. The other version, I don't think we'll have anyone. What's going on over there?

• 51:52Speaker 07

  Come on, Randall, let's go.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  You have fifteen seconds to go.

• 52:02Steven Rinella?

  Is Steve still in the tree? Why is he looking at us?

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Five seconds, Randall.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Oh, man. I wish we weren't in a cell phone black hole. We'll get it looking better.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  It did not happen for him today.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  Randall, tell us about what happened on that first cast.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  He's on the ground.

• 52:24Speaker 07

  Well, previously, previously I'd mentioned that there's a very strong breeze coming across the pond. And I went to chuck it past that tree, bring it right under there. Bit of a moonball cast, must have caught a cross breeze and then got hung up about twenty feet in the tree. I, I really, I'm surprised that it came out. Shocking to me, really. I thought this was gonna be a giant failure. Instead, it was just sort of on par with all of the other failures.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  We have yet to have someone be successful doing one-minute fishing at the office pond.

• 52:59Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I'll get in there.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Okay, we'll do it, Steve. Does that thing freeze over? It kind of freezes over.

• 53:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, because I've seen tracks cutting across it.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. We're running out of time. So before the freeze happens, someone needs to be successful for one-minute fishing.

• 53:13Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I'll tear a new one out there, man.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  I'd like to tell you well done, but I'm not going to insult you and our listeners. So we'll try this again some other time.

• 53:21Steven Rinella?

  Randall, does it seem like I'd just go out there with a worm and a bobber and win?

• 53:25Speaker 07

  I mean, that was my, that was what I'd hoped to do. But, you know, I just didn't come prepared today. Sort of a last-minute deal, so.

• 53:33Steven Rinella?

  Well, don't do that. That's what I'm gonna do.

• 53:34Speaker 07

  Your pocket. Yeah, I think you'd, I think you'd do well.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  Last thing, Randall, before we get out of here, we had someone, Leland Nally, pipe in and say that Randall can be on the cover of the calendar for F'd Up Old Fisherman.

• 53:49Speaker 07

  Oh, I've got some, I've got some real beauties in my back archives of me as a fucked-up old fisherman, so.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:56Speaker 07

  Believe me, I think we could make a nice composite for the cover.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  Thank you, Randall. Thank you, Corey. All right, our next segment is Throwback Thursday.

• 54:16Steven Rinella?

  Throwback, I can't believe it. Did I mention Steve and Brody are old as shit?

• 54:26Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I saw Gordon, I saw Gordon live twice. I've talked about him.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  Phil, Phil.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  That, uh, that little tune from Phil really tickled Steve in a way that I don't think I've ever seen.

• 54:37Steven Rinella?

  Well, like I said, man, I could, if I had, if you had an hour, I would start telling you about Gordon Lightfoot.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  Okay, next episode. Throwback Thursday is where we look at old hunting and fishing pictures of the crew. Yanni, you're going first. And if you are on our YouTube audience, either live or watching this in the future, you will get to see these photos that we're looking at.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  All right, Yanni, uh, what, what are we seeing here?

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Well, I want, you, you guys can see what it is, but I want you guys to guess the year.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  Is that you?

• 55:10Steven Rinella?

  Can you zoom in there a little bit?

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Um, it is me.

• 55:13Steven Rinella?

  Or is that Harz? Do you?

• 55:14Speaker 04

  I didn't, I didn't bring a picture of somebody else.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Okay, um, I'm gonna guess this is the year, uh, 1991.

• 55:22Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Okay, what is it?

• 55:24Speaker 04

  I was born in 78.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:29Speaker 03

  Steve's got the advantage of math on his side here.

• 55:32Steven Rinella?

  It's like 2000.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. What year was it?

• 55:34Speaker 04

  97. Steve wins. He's the closest.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  Um, but yeah, it was my first, uh, hunting trip out west. My dad took me, uh, out to Wyoming. I think we were out by Gillette and, uh, we were with some other Latvian fellows. They had done this hunt quite a few times and, uh,

• 55:54Speaker 04

  yeah, I remember we drove out in a, like an 87 Chevy Blazer and we had it set up where you could sleep in the back. So while one guy drove, the other guy could, uh, lay down and sleep in the back. Not very safe, you know, but we got it done. Um. Cool thing about this particular hunt is that we did kind of a soft push on these pronghorn to get them to move by us. And I was actually being sort of semi-guided by a fellow that unfortunately is no longer with us, Pete Siltenman, who's passed in the last year. And he was one of the landowners up there in Wisconsin where I hunt. And he was right with me. He set me up and we,

• 56:36Speaker 04

  I think I got prone, I think I had a bipod. There's a bipod on that rifle, isn't there?

• 56:41Speaker 03

  Looks like it.

• 56:41Steven Rinella?

  That was back when everybody had a Harris bipod.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  And that's what that is on that rifle.

• 56:45Steven Rinella?

  The springs on there, always catching the alders and stuff.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Well, it works out perfect. We're sitting there prone, set, I mean, we're just in some sage and the whole herd comes by at like 100, 150 yards, you know, and finally this buck is there. And he's like, alright, shoot him. I'm like, okay. I flip the safety, click. I hadn't chambered one. And so I chambered one and then shot the buck. But there was a few moments there where I don't know exactly what Pete was saying behind me, but he got quite flustered with me that I didn't have a round in the gun.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  And what I really love is it looks like you're wearing Mossy Oak Bottomland camo.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Did you have a lot of that back in your day?

• 57:29Speaker 04

  No, no, it was, I wasn't into it enough to know that that was Mossy Oak Bottomlands. It was a shirt that I think my dad had grown out of, along with those pants. I still own those pants and I can still fit into those pants. So I was 19 then. I can still, I still have those pants. They're Winchester brush pants and they have this very shiny, loud nylon on the front of the chap, I guess, of them. But I still have those. They sit in a drawer. Every now and then I put them on. I don't know for why, but yeah. That was before I got contacts too, when I still wore glasses every day.

• 58:11Speaker 06

  That looks like an antelope hunting picture from 1997.

• 58:14Steven Rinella?

  Sure does.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:15Steven Rinella?

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• 59:00Steven Rinella?

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• 59:52Steven Rinella?

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• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  All right, next one, I'll go next.

• 1:00:50Steven Rinella?

  Of course, it's a big old buck.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  In South Dakota.

• 1:00:56Steven Rinella?

  He found it floating up dead on the beach.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  I was, I was a sophomore in college. I killed that buck on some public land on a, near a big body of water.

• 1:01:05Steven Rinella?

  Harris bipod.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  A Harris bipod on there as well. I did have one. I don't know if that one was a Harris bipod or not, but here's, here's what I'll always remember about that hunt, more than that mulee. That morning before sunrise in my headlight, I saw an eastern spotted skunk. Now, if you don't know, those are super rare and like South Dakota is at the very edge of their habitat. Many states have them listed as threatened or vulnerable. And a cool thing about spotted skunks is that game agencies rely on trappers to track their populations. Stevie on, are you boys familiar with like an eastern spotted skunk?

• 1:01:39Steven Rinella?

  Hell yeah, I am. Yeah, never caught one.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  And I looked this up shortly after I had saw him. In Missouri, for example, spotted skunk populations plummeted by 99% from the 1950s to the 1980s. In Minnesota, there were 20,000 spotted skunks harvested in 1946. By 1965, it was less than a thousand and in 1992, it was just four. So their populations have crashed and I didn't exactly know what I was looking at when I saw that spotted skunk. My dad was with me and he had said, that's a civ cat. Did you hear them called? Yeah, civet cat.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  He was, he was a big trapper. So he was also tickled to see that spotted skunk. Now unlike stripe skunks, stripe skunks have done a great. Job of adapting to cattle and crops and humans spotted skunks if not they need old growth pine and oak forests for their protection so they have the right food and the cool thing about them is it's like very cartoonish but they do a handstand when they're gonna spray and that's how they aim their sprayer to hit their target if they feel threatened so they do a little handstand aim their butt right at you and that's how they hit you unlike a striped skunk which would just turn around and spray you and Phil now has a map.

• 1:02:56Steven Rinella?

  Isn't it weird he showed a picture but then talked about something besides the picture?

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  I'm telling you when I look at that photo what I think of is seeing that stripes or that spotted skunk because it was that morning a few hours before I killed that buck I saw that spotted skunk so that's what I always think of when I think of that haunt or think of that deer think of that picture.

• 1:03:12Steven Rinella?

  It'd be like if I showed you this calendar and started talking about my computer.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Yeah you could do that I'm sure you have some memories that of your computer when you look at that calendar Phil has a map up here showing you.

• 1:03:26Steven Rinella?

  What are we looking at is that a spotted skunk?

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  That spotted skunk distribution that shows you how many times they've been recorded from the year 2000 to the year 2020.

• 1:03:34Steven Rinella?

  It's gotta be a path like a pathological like there's a pathology thing.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 1:03:39Steven Rinella?

  Are you sure it's not some kind of virus or?

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Habitat loss I was looking this up last night.

• 1:03:45Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Steven Rinella?

  Just that?

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  I'm sure there's other things like they probably have some food disappear but they just they're not as adaptable as other small mammals.

• 1:03:55Steven Rinella?

  Cause you have like the spread of raccoons and possums going in the other direction I just have a hard time believing that it could be habitat and not some kind of pathological or competition issue.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  I'll send you the articles I read they were adamant adamant that it is about the habitat loss.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  Well if you look at that map where the where the greater occurrences are it is in some pretty rough country right like along the ridge of the Appalachians and then in that eastern South Dakota region and then in the Ozarks right that's the Ozarks that I'm looking at?

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Probably the only spotted skunk I'll ever see I was I was thrilled to have that sighting and encounter one of those Steve you're next let's see your photo for Throwback Thursday.

• 1:04:43Steven Rinella?

  So this is at my house where I grew up. My ma still lives there.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:47Steven Rinella?

  Um, the guy down the shore, so from uh Lookers left down the shore was an old timer, John Gary. And John Gary was kinda one of my main fishing mentors when I was a little kid. He was a World War II guy like my dad.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:05:03Steven Rinella?

  He, he kept, he would keep track of every book he read on a, in a journal and he'd keep track of how much he fished on a journal. And, and he fished 250 days a year.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:05:12Steven Rinella?

  But he lived by himself, which raises the question, how do you eat all those fish? Cause he didn't throw any kind of fish back.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:05:20Steven Rinella?

  Well, he's, he's gone now.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:05:23Steven Rinella?

  All the players are gone here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna admit to a series of crimes.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Oh, could you describe the photo for us for people who are just listening?

• 1:05:30Steven Rinella?

  I'm holding up two snapping, I'm holding up two 10 pound snapping turtles.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  What year was this?

• 1:05:34Steven Rinella?

  I was in high school. It's like, it's like 90, 1990.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:05:40Steven Rinella?

  Um, so John Gary explains to me, uh, everybody kinda knew it, but one time he told me he made introduction. He was selling his fish to a fish market.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:05:52Steven Rinella?

  And I remember when he told me the story, he told me, when you're buying something from blank fish market, he's got his thumb on the scale.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:06:01Steven Rinella?

  He said, when you're selling something to blank fish market, he's got a finger under the scale, but it ain't his thumb.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Steven Rinella?

  And he went like that.

• 1:06:13Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:14Steven Rinella?

  For you people at home, I'm raising my middle finger up.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Michigan hello.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  But that's not the nice Michigan hello.

• 1:06:19Steven Rinella?

  So John Gary turned me on to this scam he had going. We went out and dipped, one time he went out and dipped 40 gallons of smelt.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  And that was a crime?

• 1:06:33Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:06:34Steven Rinella?

  It was smelt season.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  Tell me when we, we get to the crime.

• 1:06:36Steven Rinella?

  What happened as soon as we dipped them. I sold them to the guy.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:06:41Steven Rinella?

  Buck a gallon.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:43Steven Rinella?

  Which, which we were like, we went out smelt dipping, burned, burned a bunch of gas, getting the pent water. And all of a sudden we sold 40 gallons. The smell for a buck a gallon. That's illegal.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:06:55Steven Rinella?

  Okay, we're like dumb rednecks. So he then, the guy says, well, here's what else I'm looking for. And he wanted snapping turtles. You could get a commercial license at that time for turtles for like next to nothing. I just figured that since you could get a commercial license, it must be okay. So I set the trap in turtles big time.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  How'd you trap them?

• 1:07:17Steven Rinella?

  I made my own cage traps out of hog wire. I'd make, I'd make traps, uh, double doors sometimes, sometimes single door.

• 1:07:26Steven Rinella?

  I'd bait them with, you guessed it, John Gary's fish heads. John Garrett frees all of his small mouth heads. I would take the small mouth heads, I'd bait turtle traps and I started trapping turtles like a mofo. And this guy was buying them for me a buck a pound dressed.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  The turtle.

• 1:07:45Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:07:46Steven Rinella?

  So all I had to do was he wanted everything attached to the plaster and he wanted everything attached to the lower shell. He wanted the top shell and the guts gone.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  So if you had a 10 pound turtle, what did he weigh after he was dressed?

• 1:08:00Steven Rinella?

  You know what, it wound up being.

• 1:08:04Steven Rinella?

  I can't remember what he paid me, but it wound up being the turtle was worth about 10 bucks. Yeah, I can't remember. I feel like I was gonna say a buck a pound, but a turtle's about 10 bucks. But I had some giant turtles. I caught a 30 pounder one time, but I sold that to a different guy. But yeah, it was just law, law breaking. The thing is, I never, I never would have gotten a Lacey Act violation because it was all in state.

• 1:08:30Steven Rinella?

  Terrible.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  What, what did these guys do with the turtles? They just sold them locally?

• 1:08:33Steven Rinella?

  He would sell anything. He would buy anything on the black market that he could have a plausible explanation for how he got it. So you had tribal, in the Great Lakes, you had tribal fisheries for walleye. You had tribal fisheries for yellow perch. You had tribal fisheries, he could buy bluegill from aquaculture places. He could buy snapping turtle from aquaculture places. So he'd buy anything that he could have and it wouldn't be crazy that he had it. He wasn't gonna buy largemouth bass fillets off you. Cause people like, where the hell did you get largemouth bass fillets from?

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  So what year was that photo, you think?

• 1:09:08Steven Rinella?

  Ninety.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Ninety.

• 1:09:09Steven Rinella?

  Ninety, ninety-one.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Head to YouTube, you'll want to see, I love that picture of Steve, he, he.

• 1:09:15Steven Rinella?

  What, can I tell you one last little tidbit?

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:17Steven Rinella?

  We had a big storage, if you go down from there, like Looker's Nut Sack, like down below the picture, we have this storage area that my dad made us build one summer out of, out of block.

• 1:09:31Steven Rinella?

  And I used to, when I catch turtles, I'd put them in there until I had a bunch to clean them. And one time my ma left the door open, fuck turtles everywhere. Like a lot of them made a break for it and got into our lake and there was turtles that just went the wrong direction, but it was surprising how well those turtles, never having been there, knew.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:09:47Steven Rinella?

  Downhill, gone.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:09:49Steven Rinella?

  I'd, you know.

• 1:09:50Speaker 03

  Did you catch other kinds of turtles doing this too?

• 1:09:52Steven Rinella?

  No, only snappers, man. No, you're not gonna get other kinds of turtles in there. You know, no, and, and it was really good, like it was lights out, like season would open June fifteenth. It was lights out for a month. Later Michigan went in and changed the opening turtle to July fifteen, which is sits now. It's hard, it's hard to catch a turtle from mid-July on. It's lights out June fifteen.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you're listening to this, you'll want to head to YouTube, you can see Steve's photo from nineteen ninety when he was a criminal, my, my picture from college in two thousand twelve and Yanni's antelope hunting picture from nineteen ninety.

• 1:10:25Steven Rinella?

  Can I tell you one last thing about John Gary?

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Last thing.

• 1:10:29Steven Rinella?

  Uh, after I sold my first book, I felt like I was loaded and, and I was over at John Gary's, he was old. And John Gary made a deal with me and I didn't take it seriously, but it was a serious deal. We're sitting in his house. And he said, I will sell you this house and everything inside of this house down to my shoes for seventy-five thousand dollars.

• 1:10:51Steven Rinella?

  The deal is I keep it till I'm dead.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:10:53Steven Rinella?

  And he was serious because he wanted money to be able to travel.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  How long did you think about this offer?

• 1:10:58Steven Rinella?

  A bit, but I didn't think about it seriously enough. Then later he passed away and the house sells for seven hundred thousand dollars, several hundred thousand dollars because it was on the beach.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:07Steven Rinella?

  I remember that detail, right down to my shoes and he pointed to his shoes.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  You could have had his shoes.

• 1:11:13Steven Rinella?

  Everything, 75 grand. He wanted it in cash.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  Alright, that was Throwback Thursday. Moving on, joining us on the line last is Mitchell Black, a journalist from the Post and Courier newspaper. He's been covering the story of how 43 female monkeys escaped a research facility in South Carolina. Mitchell, welcome to the show.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Hey, how you doing? Thanks for having me.

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  Doing good. First thing, tell us about the facility that these monkeys escaped from.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Sure. So Alpha Genesis, it's a primate breeding and research facility in Yemecee, South Carolina. And if you don't know where that is, that is sort of on the southeastern corner of the state, what a lot of people might think of as a Nordic country. And so this facility, they primarily breed monkeys to be sold to the government and to private companies for testing, and they also perform tests themselves. They have a few different locations around the Low Country, and in Yemecee itself, they've got close to

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  7,000 monkeys. The town has 1,000 people. So it's like a 6 to 1 monkey to town person ratio

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  over there. So, you know, a lot of monkeys in that facility, and you know, people can see them from the road and cages. It's part of living in Yemecee is having these monkeys around.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  And what purpose do these monkeys serve?

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  So it's a little bit, they, the facility is contracted for breeding. So, you know, these monkeys are bred and sold to different companies and the government for science and testing. And then they also perform some research on them themselves. And if you look at some of the work the company's done, you know, they talk about how they use the monkeys for studies in vaccine development, therapeutic drug therapies and...

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  Some surgical procedures, you know, we're still looking to learn a little bit more about the specifics there. Um, you know, one important thing to note is that, you know, these monkeys, per their CEO, they're juveniles. So they're too young to be tested on, um, which is one of the reasons that they say that, you know, people shouldn't be all that scared, but they should still steer clear because, you know, monkeys can be skittish and they'll just scamper off in the trees if you end up, you know, trying to give it a big old hug.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  All right. Tell us about the escape. How did it come to be that 43 monkeys got loose in town?

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Sure. So it was in the middle of the day, uh, the day after election day. Um, and so, you know, while people are still learning about, uh, what the results are of the election, uh, a caretaker went into a facility into the facility in Yemci and they were cleaning, uh, their enclosure and they left the doors unsecured and there was a jailbreak. Forty-three monkeys out the door. Um, and a lot of them have been hanging out in, uh, the area right by the facility. Um, but, you know, there are some reports of a monkey five miles down the road.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  A few, a few days into, um, it took a few days for the facility to start to, uh, bring the monkeys back into the fold because it was raining down here and the monkeys kind of hunkered down in the trees. That made it difficult for them to catch, you know, because they just didn't want to get wet.

• 1:14:55Speaker 03

  And how, how many have they caught so far then? It's been, it's been about 10 days or so since this happened.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  So it's been, it's been, yeah, it's been eight days. And so they've caught, uh, they've caught 35 monkeys. There's still eight, um, that are on the loose. Um, and, uh, you know, trying to learn about where exactly the Ozarks are. I'm not sure if they're by the, the facility or, or if they're elsewhere, but, uh, residents are instructed to, uh, you know, call the police if they have, uh, a monkey sighting. Um, and, you know, as a reporter, we're always sort of looking at, uh, different, uh, announcements from the police department

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  Reports and you know, you see things like traffic accident. Okay. You know, you know, if there's a break in like, okay. And so, you know, we're looking and we get an email. It's from one of local law enforcement agencies a week or so ago. It's like, you know, all these monkeys have been broken out of the facility. Well, you know, that's a story. So, you know, we start making calls and here we are a week or so later.

• 1:15:56Steven Rinella?

  Is the climate suitable for those monkeys? Like, is it plausible that if you just left them alone? That they would find not only the right temperatures, but food sources? You know what I mean? Like, could you feasibly have a feral population of monkeys in this area?

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  Um, well, so there is a, there is an island where a lot of these monkeys live.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  Just off the coast there. What I'll say is that these monkeys, they're, so they're rhesus macaques and they're typically found in Southeast Asia. But they have been living in captivity. So, uh, and you know, have been dependent on people feeding them. So, uh, it's hard to say whether or they could just simply exist in the wild now, uh, given that, they have been living in cages for most of their life.

• 1:16:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but I mean, outside of these individual monkeys, particular skill sets, what I mean is, is the climate in South Carolina suitable for the monkeys? Or are they freezing their asses right now?

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Well, right now, right now, it's pretty warm, but it's gonna, it's getting colder or at night, you know, uh, so, uh, it's still pretty warm right now. Um, I don't own, you know, in terms of like me walking around, um, it's not quite at, you know, Mitch is freezing his ass off temperature yet. Um, so, you know,

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  trying to not, not. Completely sure if they are, you know, how they are going to do in colder temperatures. But you know, that's a another great question.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  All right. In just a second, Mitchell is going to tell us about how they have captured thirty five of the forty three monkeys. But Steve, you're a trapper. If you were tasked with catching these forty three monkeys, how would you do it?

• 1:17:58Steven Rinella?

  Oh, man, I got no idea. I don't know enough about them.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Where would you start though? What do you think?

• 1:18:06Speaker 03

  Live traps, I imagine.

• 1:18:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, live traps and maybe Mercer Law's bobcat cages. And you'd have to put the mechanism, you could figure that little sucker in there with his fingers. You'd have to put the trigger mechanism up against some wall.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:18:21Steven Rinella?

  So he can't fiddle with that.

• 1:18:25Steven Rinella?

  But yeah, I don't, I'm not that into monkeys, to be honest with you.

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  Mitchell, how are they doing and how have they caught the thirty five monkeys so far?

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, so they're, they're using these traps that are called have a heart traps. So they, they're one of these things where if you think of like a cage that has an opening enclosure and then sort of a swinging door where and they have food on the other side. The monkey walks into the cage, tries to get the food, door swings closed and that's what they're using. The other part of it is that a lot of the monkeys are around the facility and they're just kind of hoping that they return home. You know, there, there's actually another, yeah, there is another.

• 1:19:03Steven Rinella?

  I'd be like, don't do it. He's like, I want to get back to that place where they're going to experiment on me and I got to live in that little box.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  There, there are a lot of people who are waiting in here and it's not uncommon to see on social media, people saying, let them be free.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  And this, this facility has a history of similar incidents, right?

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. So there was another split, if you will, in twenty sixteen when nineteen monkeys escaped from the facility. And but they returned home six hours later. Twenty six monkeys left the facility also in twenty fourteen. And actually earlier this year, not related to this facility, but you know, a few miles up the road.

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  There was a monkey.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  Who's someone's pet who got out and was wandering around the streets of Walterboro, which is in the area in Colton County. And so that had led to a multiple all day monkey hunt.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  You know, they were not trying to kill the monkey, of course, but attempt to try to bring the monkey back to its owners. So there's been a lot of monkey escapes down here. You know, a lot of monkey coverage going on.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  All right, last question here, Mitchell. What is the community's attitude toward the whole thing? Are they angry? Are they amused? Are they scared?

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  So, you know, there are some people who live in places where they've got like a cat who comes into their backyard, you know, or, you know, in some other places they'll have like deer or bears. That's sort of the attitude, you know, and the deer, the bear, they come in and, you know, you sort of get used to seeing them. That's sort of the attitude that locals have about these monkeys. Like, it's not uncommon for people to say like, oh, I saw them in a tree. Oh, there was a few years back where I saw a monkey sort of traipsing through my yard.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  And so there's a little bit of amusement, but also frankly, you know, this is a small town and it's a big facility. And so it does a lot to contribute to the economy. So there's a little bit of amusement. But, you know, there, I wouldn't say that a lot of the anger that we've heard, which are typically coming from animal rights organizations, that's not as much coming from the locals that we've spoken to.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  All right, Mitchell, you can follow his coverage on the Post and Courier newspaper. Thank you for joining us.

• 1:21:43Steven Rinella?

  Thank you, Mitchell. Thanks, Mitchell. I tell you what, if my kids caught one of those monkeys and I told them what was going to happen to that monkey if we brought it back home, that monkey's coming to live with us. There's no way.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  They have a pet monkey.

• 1:21:57Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, there's no way.

• 1:21:58Speaker 03

  You guys on the podcast talked to somebody about monkey facilities.

• 1:22:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, because they're trying to open more of these monkey breeding farms. And locals, that's the main thing I'm thinking about right now. Because this is a hot issue in Florida. Is that, was that where this was happening? Carolina, but there's Georgia, Texas. That's where they're trying to open. Anyways, they're, they're trying to make, cause there's a real shortage of these research monkeys. So they're trying to open new monkey farms and locals are pissed.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:26Steven Rinella?

  And now the locals are going to be able to use this.

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:22:29Steven Rinella?

  Right. And turn around and be like, such as.

• 1:22:31Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:22:33Steven Rinella?

  What's going on over there? That's what we're talking about. We don't want that.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  That's a level of NIMBY not in my backyard that I'd be comfortable with.

• 1:22:39Steven Rinella?

  That's NIMBY.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  I don't need a.

• 1:22:41Steven Rinella?

  Monkey in my backyard.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:22:42Speaker 04

  Really? Are you, you're really worried about like, what's gonna happen?

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  Worried? No.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  They just go right back to the facility after a week.

• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'd rather it be in Texas. It's a good spot for it.

• 1:22:53Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. My neighbor was raising monkeys. I don't know. I'd hope they got away.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  All right. That brings us to the end.

• 1:23:03Steven Rinella?

  There's one of those monkeys in my yard.

• 1:23:04Speaker 03

  That brings us to the end of the show, Phil. Let's get some final listener feedback.

• 1:23:08Steven Rinella?

  That's the end of the show?

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  That's the end of the show. We're gonna get some final listener feedback.

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  You wanna keep going? Yeah. Hey, last call for questions.

• 1:23:14Steven Rinella?

  So anti-climactic.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  Farce on, on questions. The more specific, the better too. We're getting a lot of like, hey, any hunting tips?

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  Don't do that. A little more specific. Uh, but this one's.

• 1:23:24Steven Rinella?

  Question is that?

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  Provider outdoors, uh, whether from the cookbook or not, you guys have a favorite, uh, antelope recipe?

• 1:23:32Steven Rinella?

  I'd use, I, I, I, I, if you look at our cookbooks, we, instead of saying it's a mule deer recipe, it's a whitetail recipe. We, we do like horned and antlered game. Um, I, I don't, this isn't quite answering the question. I, I wouldn't worry about what it is. I would treat it like horned and antlered game. If there's a great venison recipe you like, if there's a great moose recipe you like. Hell, if there's a great lamb recipe you like, I would make that recipe. I would not care what it was. What the, the cut of the animal. And the recipe matter more than what the animal was when it comes to that.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Just the other night, I cooked up the fresh backstrap from that big old whitetail buck I just killed in Wisconsin. By slicing the backstraps into roughly, I don't know, half inch, three quarter inch slices, pounding them lightly, salting and peppering them, then dusting them in flour and then pan frying them in a you know, a light quarter inch of oil and a little bit of butter in there. Then I made a nice pan gravy, had some potatoes and asparagus in the oven and poured it all over it. I did it with whitetail, but I'm sure that it would be delicious with the backstrap from a pronghorn as well.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, any venison recipes on our website are going to work just fine. To be more specific, Danielle Pruitt has an antelope sausage recipe on the meat eater.com where she really leans into the sage flavor profile, which a lot of folks say that antelope meat tends to taste like.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  I think when people taste that, it's because they were like quartering it up in the field and laid the hind quarter.

• 1:25:17Steven Rinella?

  Got sage oil on it.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Steven Rinella?

  That's an oily plant.

• 1:25:22Speaker 04

  Brayden, Steve is, or scratch that, reverse it. Steve Brayden is asking, what's the hardest part of writing a book?

• 1:25:30Steven Rinella?

  Writing it. Uh, there's a quote, I think it was, it might've been Garrison Keillor had this quote, someone had this quote, that writing a book is like driving at night. You can only see as far as what is illuminated by your headlights. But you keep driving and driving and driving and driving and driving and driving and driving and finally you get there.

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  That's your experience as well.

• 1:25:53Steven Rinella?

  Oh, hell.

• 1:25:55Speaker 04

  Uh, Tori is wondering the weirdest thing you've ever used as bait for fishing.

• 1:26:01Steven Rinella?

  Is what I would like to have used as bait? And what I've used as bait.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  I've leaned into the weird catfish baits before for channel cats and flatheads. Soap, that was a sexy one about 15 years ago.

• 1:26:17Steven Rinella?

  Seriously?

• 1:26:17Speaker 03

  Where the outdoor magazines would talk about it. It has a strong scent. You think about, if you'd have soap and water, you watch the, sort of this oil skim. Anything with like, you take a hunk of meat and soak it in cherry Kool-Aid. That's been something that was heavily promoted for catfish baits. So doing the weird things like that, using like a Kool-Aid marinade or soap for catfish. Yanni, anything weird?

• 1:26:42Steven Rinella?

  Not that I can remember. Yeah, I've got nothing. No, if it was trapping bait.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  Phil, what else you got?

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Uh, here's something you can either set the record straight on or agree with. But Pippen is, says, "What's the Meat Eater's thoughts on the deer population in the northern part of Wisconsin? Seems the lack of deer is correlated to the wolf population, according to the locals." Any insight?

• 1:27:05Steven Rinella?

  There's no, there's no way it's not, there's no way it's not impacting that. I mean, they, they, they're, they eat seven pounds of meat a day. It's like, of course, it's having an impact. Is it the only thing? Certainly not. Is it a thing? Yeah. That's all I got to say about it.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  Perfect. Uh, Spencer, someone just asked if someone can win the trivia question of the week more than once. Trying to find that one, but.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Um, if I, I don't.

• 1:27:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they can.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:27:34Steven Rinella?

  I think he's trying to point out that he's won it.

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't see, I don't recognize names that I've, I've seen before often enough. So yeah, if you're someone who hasn't sent me a hundred emails, that could certainly happen again, yes. Anything else, Phil?

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  I think, I think we're good.

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  This is our longest show yet, I think.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  That, uh, we had, we had a lot of moments where someone would declare, hey, can I, do we have a moment where I can talk about this? So it made it.

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  You said yes.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  A little longer than normal. That's right. What would happen if I didn't say yes?

• 1:28:05Steven Rinella?

  I said, okay.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  And that's it?

• 1:28:07Steven Rinella?

  I said, don't try to talk when I'm doing something.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  Okay. Well, glad I didn't shut him down. That brings us to the end of this week's episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. We'll see you back here, same time and place in seven days.

• 1:28:19Steven Rinella?

  Thanks, everybody.

• 1:28:20Speaker 04

  Thanks for watching.

• 1:28:20Steven Rinella?

  Love you.

• 1:28:34Steven Rinella?

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• 1:29:59Steven Rinella?

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• 1:30:30Speaker 06

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• 1:30:45Speaker 00

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