RC, Chan & Fred Talk Deion, Late Hits, Nick Chubb, Dak, NFL WK 3 Picks & Life Pressures

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find It’s Friday, and what better way to spend it than with the fellas! That’s right, Ryan, Channing and Fred are sitting down talking everything from Deion effect in Colorado and with young people in general to late hits with Nick Chubb’s injury to the pressures of a packed schedule to new season of changes and Channing answers for his comments about the Dallas Cowboys and the man who plays quarterback for them, Dak Prescott. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Sitting in here at the Forum in Columbus, it makes me feel like my old club days in high school and in college. But I had no gear. I wore the same FUBU shorts every single weekend in college. To Tigerland after the game, there was some green FUBU shorts with slippers. Yeah. I actually bust out of them slippers in a fight.

• 0:53Channing Crowder?

  I had me a pair of fake Jabo's, though. I ain't go FUBU. FUBU was cool then. Don't see all that. People hate no FUBU. FUBU was it back in the day.

• 0:59Ryan Clark?

  Were us by us.

• 1:00Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:01Ryan Clark?

  Hey, I wore number five just so I could go buy FUBU jerseys and walk around like in my number. Nah, actually, I had five because two was unavailable. Brandon Dell had it, but then he was on steroids and he was rolling down the street. Now, real talk. Brandon Dell was coming, he was rolling down the street, dawg. And he was like, "RC, you can get that number two." And then I went and asked the coach. And he was like, "Yeah, Brandon was on steroids." But I do feel it, though. Brandon was a white DB. He needed all the help he could get.

• 1:28Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, there ain't too many of them. Jason Sehorn was the last one, wasn't he?

• 1:31Ryan Clark?

  Jason Sehorn, man. Jason Sehorn.

• 1:32Fred Taylor?

  I got Jay on tape.

• 1:36Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T always want to talk about like what he did to somebody in the game. That's all he ever talks about.

• 1:42Fred Taylor?

  Sometimes people forget. And shout out to me and all those people that, all of the selectors that selected me again this year as nominee. Shout out to y'all. Hey, y'all. Yeah, some people forget.

• 1:55Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, it's because they can't find the black and white film. It's difficult. The little real joint, you know what I'm saying? The joint where they got the big one in the back that slides to the other one? And it's crisscrossing that figure eight?

• 2:12Fred Taylor?

  Really be coming at me sideways with this age stuff.

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  It was an interesting week. We had Mike McDaniel last Friday, Desi Banks this Tuesday. But for us, like we've missed some, some things. The Jay Norville comments about Deion Sanders and his hat and his, his sunglasses. And just sort of what that did to the Colorado State Colorado game. I mean, that game was, one, it was undisciplined by everybody, right? Everybody got out of pocket and you go back to the middle of the field before it even starts. Whether it's Shador or Travis or Shiloh, the Colorado State players.

• 3:19Ryan Clark?

  Like, man, when, when that level of intensity starts, but then that level of intensity starts to roll over into hate. I don't think people understand what that does for the great equalizer in football, which is physicality. Right? And everybody's sitting at home and they're appalled that, you know, Travis Hunter got hit late. Me too. I think things should be handled in between the whistles. But we also have to understand that that starts to happen when jealousy creeps in. When actual feelings of anger and hate creeps in. So when you're watching that game and now Henry Blackburn, who did hit Travis Hunter,

• 4:01Ryan Clark?

  who will be out for a few weeks with a lacerated liver, is starting to get death threats about a football game. And Deion obviously comes out being the great man that he is and says, hey, man, nah, like, like, I don't condone that. Like, like those things shouldn't be happening. And watching that game and sort of the aftermath from it, what are your thoughts on the things that have transpired?

• 4:24Channing Crowder?

  First off, anything different people are scared of.

• 4:28Channing Crowder?

  And Deion, Coach Prime, is the definition of something different running an organization. How he's doing it, the 86 player turnover, how he acts, his swag, putting the chain on his son, wearing the sunglasses and hat. This is not a cookie cutter thing, and Deion showing you that. The jealousy comes from that team being 1-11 last year and now being 3-0 under Deion. And Colorado State not getting the love they think they respect. But the death threat thing, I'll get there. This is a damn game, and I love what Deion said. You can talk bad about me on Twitter, you can make fun of me on Twitter, you can do all that. And I always say, you know, I'm the guy, my whole thing is the hell would somebody think about me? I don't care. Death threats to anybody, and especially a college student, that's ridiculous.

• 5:10Channing Crowder?

  Because you want to say it's just somebody mad talking trash, somebody that bet on Colorado to cover the spread and now they're upset. But RC, Freddie T, there are crazy people out there.

• 5:20Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 5:21Channing Crowder?

  We see it all the time with these damn school shootings. So there are people out there that will stupidly go and take another person's life. So for you to even joke about that, play about that, in anything to that level, I love that Deion, as the bigger man, came out and, I don't say on the other side of the argument, but it was his top player, I'd say, and Travis Hunter, that's now out with about three weeks, four weeks, whatever it is, and for him to say, hey, this is too far. This is a young man, this is a young man trying to graduate, this is a young man trying to go to the NFL. Did he make a late hit? Yes, and they threw the flag. That's the punishment for a late hit, isn't it? It's a flag, it's 15 yards, please move on, but death threats at any level is unacceptable.

• 6:00Fred Taylor?

  No, you hit everything on the head, everything I would have said about the death threats. The beauty, what I love about Deion, there's a real Deion effect, right? I think ESPN had that game rated as the fifth most watched. Top five most watched sports game. But Deion is doing more than coaching, he's teaching. No, not just his players, he's teaching society what being faith-filled, you know, what being positive, you know, what all that stuff looks like, and that we can actually coexist and come together. You know, because at one point, you know, they said, we got this black man leaving an HBCU, now he's going to Colorado.

• 6:39Fred Taylor?

  Will this work? It is definitely working. You know, and he's been very impressive early on. His spirit is contagious. The other night, watching the Monday night game, T.J. Watt got a scoop and score for a defensive touchdown for the Steelers. And he did Deion high step then, you know, in the end zone to celebrate. So Deion is so contagious, man. And I just love what they're doing over there in Colorado. And hopefully, it'll be a bigger trickle down effect where people can understand that we can coexist. Sport is sport. But sport has always been that one denominator that brings us all together.

• 7:15Channing Crowder?

  And you don't have to be that square ass, buttoned up, collared shirt wearing coach to be a successful head coach. That's what we've seen in the past. Remember, I remember what was it? Mike Nolan and different guy, they were wearing suits on the sideline. The NBA with their whole dress code policy. What does that have to do with being a successful sporting team, a successful organization? You look professional this. Deion wearing sunglasses and a hat upset that man that bad?

• 7:42Ryan Clark?

  Like, let's be real, man. Like, that's not what upset Jay Novell. You have to realize Jay Novell's dad was the first African American athletic director at Mississippi State. Jay Novell's mom was a fashion model, right? He grew up in Madison, Wisconsin. That's just different culture. And people are just pointing to, oh, it's not racist and this and this. He's black. No one's saying it's racist. But I am saying it is about culture. It is about upbringing. But it is about being able also, let's embrace the differences in one another, right? The thing that Deion said after the game was, I want to see that black man succeed. I want to see him do well.

• 8:25Ryan Clark?

  My blessings and his blessings don't take away from one another. If he does well and his program succeeds, if I do well and my program succeeds, then that's just two of us doing what we're supposed to do. And I also think, though, like, for me, like, somebody has to be honest about it. The way that Deion and that program as a whole goes about their business, it is with a level of arrogance. Travis Hunter believes he's the best player in the country and he very well should. Shador Sanders believes he's the best quarterback in the country and he very well should. What they are doing on the field proves that, right?

• 9:10Ryan Clark?

  But you gotta know that when I'm coming from hardships, when I'm coming from a place where I can't afford a diamond Rolex and you flash your Rolex, that's arrogant, right? When you walk out to the game with your chain, right? That's arrogant. And if I'm playing on a team and I'm in college and I see you walk out with Lil Wayne, that doesn't happen. It just doesn't. So the Deion effect, though he's not doing anything wrong, and Deion's only being him, those kids are only being them. If we as a culture didn't understand and grasp who they are, grasp where they're from, understand that sort of swag,

• 9:55Ryan Clark?

  then we would see it differently. If it wasn't Deion and we didn't love him so much and we weren't so used to prime being prime, right? When you're watching Shador Sanders at the end of the game with sunglasses on and they're asking about him and we say, "All I'm thinking about", I don't know if it was the Brady Effect or whatever he said, right? Another 20-year-old kid says that about Tom Brady? We got something to say. And don't get me wrong, I like them, right? I want to see them win. All I've done is back Deion and the program from here. But like, be straight up, bro. The way these kids are acting is somewhat at some times insufferable.

• 10:40Ryan Clark?

  And if we had watched other kids in college behave this way, we would say something.

• 10:48Channing Crowder?

  Like we just would. But it's not, they're not even that. It's that they're verbalizing it. You don't think when LSU was balling, when Jamar and Burrow and them boys were there, they thought they were the best. They knew they were the best, but they knew it was unacceptable to say it. Right now, Georgia right now, Georgia and Alabama, Alabama's having to drop off and I love it because Nick, you know, you know how I feel about Nick Saban, but you, you can have confidence. You can know you're the best. You can know you can ball. You can be a top five, but now I'm saying it. Now I'm showing to your point, a little more culture. Who flashed a Rolex in college? It's gonna happen a lot more with this NIL because these boys got money to buy Rolexes. But I'm confident I'm the best. I've worked hard. I have outworked to become the best player at disposition

• 11:30Channing Crowder?

  or the best player, the best program in this sport, but I can't tell anybody that. I don't think that's right. I love what Deion's doing for college.

• 11:37Fred Taylor?

  And that's the main, that's the reason. I mean, it's stemming from the head coach, right? It starts with Deion. That's always been prime. We said it last time. We talked about Colorado and Deion. It starts with Deion, then it trickles down to the players and then they're giving it to you. They're giving it to everybody. You talk about Georgia, you talk about LSU. Yeah, LSU know they're good, but the head coach never said that. They showed it through their play, right? When that stuff happened with Colorado State, they, everyone said it was gonna be personal. It's personal now. Well, Colorado State felt the same fucking way because they showed up. And that's what Colorado is gonna have to prepare for each and every week.

• 12:19Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 12:19Fred Taylor?

  You, you, you made your bed, you gotta lay in it. Teams know you're coming and they know how you're coming. So they're gonna come and give you their best shot. So what you gotta do? And Deion said, I think he recently said on a post he made, he said, we gotta play our asses off. We gotta work hard each and every week. Each week we gotta get better, but more importantly, we have to be disciplined, not just on the field, but in our personal lives. Because when these kids start to feel themselves, the arrogancy, it's gonna lead to off the field behavior, on campus behavior, that other form of entitlement around campus. We're the big men on campus. How are you gonna act then when? You know, somebody says something to you. How are you gonna respond? Are you gonna start seeing guys kicked, kicked, kicked off the team?

• 13:04Fred Taylor?

  Which in turn gonna help, gonna hurt the team. So, a whole lot is gonna shine on these guys. And they gotta be, be ready to respond, no matter what.

• 13:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, see, like, I think, like, that stuff doesn't bother me. Like, I don't, like, these are good kids. You know, and I, and I, I don't, don't want in any way for what I'm saying to be like, I don't think these are good kids. I don't think that these kids were raised in a way to handle themselves well. Right? Like, Shador Sanders grew up better than we live now. Right? This isn't a kid that's uneducated. This isn't a kid that's from the hood. This isn't a kid that is a victim of any sort of circumstance other than just being really talented and, and having an opportunity to live a life that young men his age could only dream of, which is continuing to grow. Because he's gonna make enough money where he's gonna be able to decide at the end of the year, do I wanna leave now and go top 10?

• 13:56Ryan Clark?

  Or do I wanna come back here next year and make millions of dollars and go number one overall? He's gonna have an opportunity to make that decision. But the point you made, Freddie, is the point that I think is important. And, you know, and I sent out a tweet after the game, and people thought it meant I was condoning the late hit on Travis Hunter. No, I think that's bush league. Right? And if somebody would've came off the sidelines, right? And threw hands with dude, they would've been for sure within every right to do that. This is the best player on our team. It was a cheap shot. It was after the whistle. You had to do it 'cause you ain't better than him. Now you gotta come see me. I'm the goon. I know I ain't playing. We gonna be alright if I don't play next week. Somebody gotta go handle that. That I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable with.

• 14:41Ryan Clark?

  Right? But we live in a world and a society that act like football players are in some way these evolved humans that don't use emotion. Right? Like, when, when I go out to play Freddie T., you damn right. I wanna hit you as hard as I possibly can. And I want you to feel it, and I want you to think about it. And if you don't get up afterwards, man, I feel bad 'cause I want you to leave the stadium as the, same way you walked in. That's my business. But if we don't, and when I'm in that moment, that's not what I'm thinking about. I'm not thinking about if either one of us get up. I'm comfortable if we don't. 'Cause that's what we both signed up for. Right? And then there were times that it got personal. And my hopes were that you didn't.

• 15:23Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 15:24Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like, you could say something to me, you could act a certain way, and it could change the way I now see going about my job. Because now, this is between me and you. Now, this is the equivalent of a fight, but guess what? I can't get arrested.

• 15:38Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 15:38Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like, I can't get arrested.

• 15:40Channing Crowder?

  Violence.

• 15:40Ryan Clark?

  And so, and so when you sitting in the middle of the field, and you calling me sorry, and you saying all these things, my only thought is, the greatest thing about our game is you gotta come see me at some point.

• 15:52Channing Crowder?

  Next play.

• 15:53Ryan Clark?

  Right? You gotta come see me. And when you gotta come see me, the greatest equalizer in what? I was never gonna be more talented than him. Ever in life, right? But by the grace of God, at some point, there might be a very small space where he can't dodge me, and we just gotta see who refuses to blink.

• 16:12Channing Crowder?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh.

• 16:13Ryan Clark?

  Right? That's what I want. Right? Like, I, I, I feel like, if you give me that, I like me all the time against anybody, and it may not be true. But because I believe that, I will never flinch. You see what I'm saying?

• 16:26Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Ryan Clark?

  And so now, Colorado is gonna have to see that every week.

• 16:30Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, and are you not allowed to say that? Are you not allowed to have that confidence verbally? You, the stay humble, stay humble thing. Why do you need to stay humble if you're great? You're putting, to your point, you're putting the bullseye on your back. You're gonna get 110% of everything they wanna do. But that whole no bulletin board material stuff, don't say that, don't say this. Deion threw that out the window. Deion is giving everybody in the nation bulletin board material for his team. Now, they have to back it up. Is that fair for the kids? Is Colorado's roster as good as these top 10 rosters out there?

• 17:01Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 17:02Channing Crowder?

  And that's what Deion's gonna have to deal with. But Deion is not a dumb dude. Deion knows exactly what he's doing. The marketing behind it? I'll compare it to boxers. We're good, we're good friends with Floyd. Floyd goes and tells you, "I'm 40 and O, I'm 42 and O, y'all can't whip me, I'm the best ever." That guy walks into your point. Everybody walked in with these great boxers and say, "I'm gonna be the first loss for you."

• 17:23Ryan Clark?

  No, he ain't.

• 17:24Channing Crowder?

  And Floyd looked back at him verbally and said, "No, you ain't." Why is it so bad if they're amateurs now? Whatever they're not amateurs, cuz they- These motherfuckers getting paid. Why is it so bad that a college team right now can have the confidence of a boxer and almost market themselves?

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  It's not, it's not. I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's bad. I just think it's unfamiliar in the sense that these are not the things we've always been taught, right? You've been taught humility and it's not, nothing's wrong with it, but you're acting like people ain't feel that way about Floyd. It ain't like folks like Floyd, right? We, we love them, right? Because we like excellence, we love black excellence, right? But there were people, the reason the pay-per-view wasn't high, because the fight was gonna be exciting, because most of the time, he was so dang good, it actually wasn't, right? People signed up, like, what if they actually catch him and knock him out? I don't want to be the person that misses that, you know what I'm saying?

• 18:24Ryan Clark?

  And like, we're in this world, and, and, and I'm about to change the subject. We're in this world of sensitivity, bro, and like, everybody, like, you know, it used to be like you could only like virtue signal in like real life and then like politics and stuff like that. Now in sports, we all want to be so evolved and, oh, he's a dirty player. Mika Fitzpatrick, he dove at Nick Chubb's knees. Well, what, have you ever seen people hit Nick Chubb in the face?

• 18:53Channing Crowder?

  Don't do it.

• 18:53Ryan Clark?

  They ain't never tackle him.

• 18:54Channing Crowder?

  Don't do it.

• 18:56Ryan Clark?

  They ain't never tackle him. And, what?

• 19:00Fred Taylor?

  I'm just waiting, I'm just raising my hand whenever you're ready.

• 19:03Ryan Clark?

  He made me feel like Denzel, when Denzel walked into the, uh, when Denzel walked into the gym. Why is you raising your hand?

• 19:16Ryan Clark?

  It ain't fun now, is it, son?

• 19:19Fred Taylor?

  I'm only raising it, RC, because, you know, a few moments ago, you said that if you had, you, you, you don't think you would ever be as talented as me, but if you had that opportunity where you had me in the hole, right in the tunnel, and it's me versus you, mano a mano. You gonna give me your everything and it's my job to try and return that favor. Minka and Nick, it was the same scenario, the way I saw it. And for me, it seemed that Minka turned it down. Now, as a player, the worst type of tackle for me as a running back is when you hit me low.

• 19:54Channing Crowder?

  Bob Sanders choice.

• 19:55Fred Taylor?

  Hit me in my chest all day, let's get it. You hit me below these knee pads, look, that shit hurts.

• 20:01Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 20:02Fred Taylor?

  Hit me on my shin, it hurts. And I'm gonna think of you a certain type of way, but I'm also gonna say you made a tackle. You're a very smart player, you got your job done and it benefited your team, need be. And maybe throughout the week, that was the assignment. We can't hit him up high, we know what he does to you. And I'm not gonna say Minka was a dirty player for doing his job. He did his job and unfortunately, you know, we all lost Nick Chubb for the season.

• 20:29Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Fred Taylor?

  And that's my two cents on it.

• 20:31Channing Crowder?

  We hate to see injuries, but to be honest.

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• 21:05Channing Crowder?

  As a defensive player, and Freddie will bring you up. Yo' big ass, running a 4.2, straight at me and I was 250. My job is to get you down by any means necessary. Thank you, God. And listen, watch football. You know what? 85, 90% of tackles are made, belly button to knees. I teach this to my high school team. Don't hit no dude like you in the chest, Fred, you gonna funk him. I took cheap shots on you in preseason because I knew if you saw me coming, I was gonna get my ass ran over.

• 21:38Fred Taylor?

  I remember that.

• 21:39Channing Crowder?

  By any means necessary. Minka Fitzpatrick's about the size of my 10-year-old daughter. Not a big human. You think he gonna hit Nick Chubb in the chin? And you know what's gonna happen? He gonna get cussed out at film. So what am I gonna do? Am I gonna go low on a guy that weighs 40 pounds more than me? Or am I gonna go up high to be a man? To not be called a bitch in film? And get ran the fuck over? Freddie, I'm tearing them knees up.

• 22:03Fred Taylor?

  It's two sides to it. It's that save face side. And then it's that side where you have a guy like RC who was undrafted. Who wants to show the world and also prove to himself. I can get this done how I think I can get it done. And if that means I'm gonna hit him in his chest on this play? I'm gonna take that shot. If I gotta be smart to make sure I'm gonna take the sure tackle? I'm gonna take that shot. And again, I don't think Minka was dirty. Much like a lot of tweets that RC mentioned he got. It wasn't a dirty play. It was ineffective. Getting his job done. Made a stop. They stopped the touchdown. Well, they stopped the touchdown on that specific play they scored a few plays later. And you know, it's just part of the game.

• 22:44Ryan Clark?

  I wanna give a shout out to Nate Burleson. Everybody knows how I feel about like Twitter analysis, right? And analysts. If you say something on Twitter? I'm not tweeting you about your thought. That is your thought. And if I gotta tweet you about your thought? Guess what? I should unfollow you. Because if your thought bothers me to the point where I feel like I gotta respond? I'm stupid. Because I shouldn't be following.

• 23:10Fred Taylor?

  But what you want them to do?

• 23:10Ryan Clark?

  That's how I feel.

• 23:11Fred Taylor?

  What you want them to do if they wanna talk to you?

• 23:13Ryan Clark?

  Huh?

• 23:14Fred Taylor?

  What you want them to do?

• 23:14Ryan Clark?

  Don't talk to me. That's all I want.

• 23:16Fred Taylor?

  You be telling them to call you.

• 23:18Ryan Clark?

  So?

• 23:18Fred Taylor?

  I'm not arguing on Twitter. Call me.

• 23:20Ryan Clark?

  If you got my number?

• 23:21Channing Crowder?

  You're combative.

• 23:22Ryan Clark?

  I am. But I say this to say Nate Burleson, man, I woke up. I woke up Tuesday morning and Nate texts me. He said, RC, I'm gonna respond to this. You know, I wanna show people that you can have respectful disagreements. And I just wanna say this about Nate. Nate didn't have to do that. We are friends. I think he's one of the best in the world at what he does. But I will always respect him for that. If you could hit me as a man and say, "Bro, I don't agree with this, but I also respect you enough to let you know I don't." So you know going forward, this isn't some sort of public way to elevate myself over you, or elevate myself by using you. And I appreciate that.

• 24:07Ryan Clark?

  And then he went through to say all the different things Mika Fitzpatrick could have done in that situation. Or hearing people tweet me and tell me, "Well, there's somebody already tackling him." Right? From the bottom of my heart, as a player, I don't give a F if they already tackling him. Here is my thought. Here is how I played the game. My job was to defend every single blade of grass. Coach Tomlin would always tell me, "Give me another blade of grass to defend, and we can win." Right? So that means if Nick Chubb is being tackled already, and he's still moving forward, it's my job to stop that forward momentum

• 24:51Ryan Clark?

  any way that I can. And there's all these people who are sitting at their house who have never been in that position, who weren't screaming, "Oh, my God, that's dirty", when Adrian Peterson put his face in William Gay's chest, and William Gay was swinging for him with his legs and his feet like a cockroach. Right? Nobody was like, "Oh, why'd he hit him in his chest? Why'd he run him over?" Because he can, which Nick Chubb can, no matter who's on his back, no matter what's going on. Now, for me, truly, with the way Mika had an angle on him, I would've tried to hit him in his ear hole with the top of my helmet. Which is why, in 2009,

• 25:36Ryan Clark?

  when they made the tape about which hitch was gonna be illegal, eight of them was me. Yeah. Right? My homeboy Joe called me and said, "Well, hell, they could've made a damn highlight tape of you." Who they too fine? That's all you do. You ain't gonna be able to make a tackle. Right? But I say that to say, they've regulated that out of the game. And so now, they're talking about this strike zone, right? You know what happens to this strike zone when you try to hit him?

• 26:02Channing Crowder?

  Everything.

• 26:03Ryan Clark?

  They do this.

• 26:04Channing Crowder?

  It disappears.

• 26:05Ryan Clark?

  So now, his face mask, the crown of his helmet, which they never call, his shoulder pads are now gonna hit me in my chin. So what you're asking me to do is, right? Cause they're always like, you want people to get home. The same, the same way Nick Chubb got family waiting for him to get home, Minka too.

• 26:22Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he does.

• 26:23Ryan Clark?

  Right? And also, they waiting on them checks. Them checks that say, if you tackling Nick Chubb, and he get four more yards, or he get two more yards, or they get a first down, that's on me. People, here's what Mika Fitzpatrick is paid to do. He's paid to stop folks. His mother effin' responsibility ain't to make sure everybody be healthy. Here's what you do if you wanna be healthy. Don't try to get mother extra yards then.

• 26:53Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 26:54Ryan Clark?

  Tell them, when they touch him, stop running. If you don't want them to get hit no more, don't run no more. Because as long as you moving, I'm trying to either put you to sleep, or I'm trying to hit you so hard that every time you see me the rest of the day, you do something different.

• 27:11Channing Crowder?

  By any means necessary, get that man on the ground.

• 27:16Ryan Clark?

  Any means.

• 27:17Channing Crowder?

  If you're not teaching that as a defensive coordinator, your defense is not that good. If you're teaching, hit a dude in his chin every play, what's the big rumble? The Marshawn Lynch, the thing where he ran over 19 people in Seattle and ran down?

• 27:30Ryan Clark?

  The, uh, the Beastquake.

• 27:32Channing Crowder?

  The Beastquake. If that safety that ran up second, where they chopped him in his, in his hip, the Beastquake would be nothing. They were trying to tackle a big ass running back up high. By any means necessary, get him on the ground. Fred, you just said it. I love that you said that because you are a Hall of Fame running back.

• 27:48Ryan Clark?

  Yup. Yeah, come on guys, hit me in the chest. You love it, yeah. I already said, you trying to trick motherfuckers. I respect you more if you go high. I'ma look at you some kinda way, don't care. Okay, yup, uh-huh. And if I get my ass funk, and you get this 4.2 out the damn gate for 80, who's gonna get yelled at, Fred?

• 28:04Channing Crowder?

  Think about it, if you think about it.

• 28:05Ryan Clark?

  You do not like getting hit in the knees? Just question, quick. Why don't you like getting hit in the knees? Because it's effective.

• 28:11Channing Crowder?

  And it's not padded.

• 28:13Fred Taylor?

  There's no pads down there.

• 28:15Ryan Clark?

  Because it's effective.

• 28:16Fred Taylor?

  We have shoulder pads. Most players don't even have knee pads in, and if you do, they're like, they're less than a quarter inch thick. So they don't even fucking work. It's just part of the uniform code. You know, so hit me here, we're both gonna fall on the ground, my pads gonna protect me.

• 28:32Ryan Clark?

  But we're not, Fred, you know what's gonna happen? Fred, you know what's gonna happen if I hit you there? Right, like, there is the, there is the chance that if I can have enough momentum, and I'm out in the open field, and I haven't broken down, that you, and thinking you gonna shake me, there is a chance I could stand you up. You were 230 when you played. I played anywhere from 185 to 200 pounds. There was no way in the open field I could face you up and stop you from going forward. So my, so, so now, my options are, hit him up high, get ran over, right? Get stiff formed, or if you do make the tackle, you get three to four extra yards. Now, I don't get no money. Now, there is no way people looking at me like, oh yeah, when RC hits you,

• 29:15Ryan Clark?

  that's where you are. RC always gets you on the ground. Like, that's just not how it works. And I think, though, we gotta get out of this world where we continue to get softer, right? And then, like, and like, the other, and like, that's my other thing about, like, fans, like, legitimately, you don't know nothing.

• 29:34Fred Taylor?

  They're evolving with the game. The game has changed so much. And if they see a violent hit or play, then, you know, they tend to sway that way, they'll go that way. And who knows who's tweeting you? Maybe some of those guys were huge fans of Nick Chubb's, Cleveland Browns fans, and they know you're still...

• 29:51Ryan Clark?

  I have a question for Freddie T.

• 29:52Fred Taylor?

  No, but I wanna say...

• 29:52Ryan Clark?

  When you play, I'm gonna ask a question for you, though. Do you think people, do you think people intentionally tried to hurt you when you played?

• 29:59Fred Taylor?

  No, only one person. He ended up being my teammate. He choked the shit out of me under the pile. And I was like, I couldn't even talk. And then next year, we signed him, Gary Walker, and we still laugh about it to this day. He played for the Titans, but he was like, man, that was just a love hug under the pile. I say bullshit, but no, no one ever intentionally tried to hurt me. The way I play the game is how it's to sustain most of my injuries. And I'll say this and we can move on. Mika did his job, one. You know, the scouting report says, don't hit Nick Chubb up high. You know, and that person that said he was already being tackled. The game is so fast. The game of football is extremely fast. That split second decision, if you, if you flinch, I'm gone.

• 30:45Fred Taylor?

  Nick is gone. Most running backs are gone. You know, so it's just part of the, part of the, the whole process of trying to become the best player on the field to put your team in a position to, to win, which is studying tape, knowing your opponent. If it was a small running back, you want to take his head off.

• 31:04Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 31:04Fred Taylor?

  Right? Cause he's not that threat, but bigger guys, Derrick Henry, for example.

• 31:08Channing Crowder?

  Stiff form, watch it.

• 31:09Fred Taylor?

  Stiff form, you gotta watch that. So you want to hit him here. So it's just part of the game, fans. Try not to take it personally, it's sport. Injuries happen. The percentage of injuries are, are extremely high. And you gotta take it however it comes. And that's that. This is coming from a guy who suffered X amount of injuries.

• 31:26Channing Crowder?

  Quickly, I see. I'm gonna let Fred go. We've had this conversation a number of times. You talk about coming up, um, near leg, near shoulder, breakdown. Fred says, I love for you to break down, cause he makes the same noise every time. When you break down, bop bop, I'm gone.

• 31:41Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that bop bop is ta ta.

• 31:43Channing Crowder?

  There we go, ta ta.

• 31:44Fred Taylor?

  That's it.

• 31:44Channing Crowder?

  So break down, near leg, near shoulder, big ass running backs like that, love it.

• 31:48Fred Taylor?

  You gotta shoot a shot at them.

• 31:49Ryan Clark?

  And now, and I want to say this before the show ends. I'm extremely, extremely sad about Nick Chubb's injury. When Nick Chubb explained to us what he dealt with in 2015 in his sophomore year at Georgia and how he thought his career was over, how he'd never be the same. And then to rebound and become one of the best backs in the entire league. And to see the look on his face, the, the, the pain, the tears, that hurt me. Cause I understand how much he puts into the game, how good of a human he is and how much he matters to not only the Cleveland Browns, but to the entire NFL. But I just wanted to make sure people know. It doesn't work that way in football.

• 32:31Ryan Clark?

  You don't just go, I'm gonna go intentionally trying to hurt a guy, so I'm gonna cut him low. Like, that is something that happens because the game is fast, because these people are physical, and it's very difficult.

• 32:41Fred Taylor?

  And it speaks to both sides of that, the offseason battle that the running backs were going through.

• 32:46Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 32:46Fred Taylor?

  You know, on one side of it, you can see why the teams are doing what they're doing, trying to maintain leverage. And then on the other side, you can see why the running backs are fighting for long-term deals versus the franchise tag. And it's a catch-22, and it's unfortunate. It would be a great world if we can all compete, play, have fun, and knock each other asses out without injury, but that's not a real world.

• 33:11Ryan Clark?

  Say, bro, I got so many jobs, dawg, and I feel like I'm getting around here getting chunky. And shoot, ain't no time to meal prep. I'm on the road. I can't just grab food anywhere, so it's either starve or these suits gonna be tight. So, man, I had to go to Factor meals, bro, and just try to find a way where I can get these meals prepped. They're never frozen, two minutes, and you're ready to eat. And that's what I've had to do, man, just to keep going this season.

• 33:37Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I know, I'm fine. I get compliments all the time. I can't eat all that fast food, but I don't have time to go to the grocery store, do the chopping and the prepping and all the cleanup. So, you know what you get? Meals that can be made in two minutes, fresh, never frozen meals. That's my direction I'm going in now. Gotta stay healthy.

• 33:54Fred Taylor?

  RC, I can say this, if you get fat, that's on you, because with Factor, you can get whatever you want to get. Thirty-four different varieties a week. Look, you can eat, you can eat some good stuff. I'm bougie. I get the gourmet level. I need the gourmet level. I need my truffle butter. Factor got everything. I got broccolini. If you get fat, that's on you, brother.

• 34:14Ryan Clark?

  Hey, listen, you can head to factormills.com/the pivot 50 and use the code THEPIVOT50 to get 50% off. That's code THEPIVOT50 at factormills.com/the pivot 50 to get 50% off. Obviously, if we're talking about this much football, football season is here. Football season now has taken on like a different...

• 34:39Channing Crowder?

  You work too damn hard.

• 34:41Ryan Clark?

  Oh, shut up.

• 34:41Channing Crowder?

  The jobs you got.

• 34:42Ryan Clark?

  And like, the thing about it is, it's like I wanted that, though. You know what I'm saying? And it's, it's almost the looking at your blessings and being grateful for them because you ask for it. You know, it's the almost be careful what you pray for or be careful what you ask for. Cause sometimes you might get it. You know, and, and I've gotten it and I love it. And when it's time to be like present for work, very present. Like the, the, the physical act of being able to do my job, the physical act of being able to be who I am. When the lights are on, it's very evident, I can do that. It's when they're off, right? It's when, it's when something happens that's normally very little to me.

• 35:27Ryan Clark?

  That I laugh through and I'm cool through and like everybody's like, oh, nothing bothers RC. And it just aggravates the piss out of me. But it's because you're tired, you know what I mean? It's because, you know, you start at 6 a.m. in New York, you end at 1 a.m. in Bristol. Then you gotta get in the car and go to South Jersey, right? And then you right back up doing it again. I ain't gonna lie, man, Friday, it won. You know, and I pride myself on like, my thing is, no matter what circumstance you put me in, I'm going to attempt to excel. And I failed. We're doing NFL Live, bro. And so Thursday nights, I fly to go to see Jordan. Cause if I get there on Thursday night, I can actually see him on Friday.

• 36:11Ryan Clark?

  Cause you know, you don't get to spend a lot of time with him on game weeks. Yeah, they're running. Right, so I get there, then he's Jordan and he wants to watch film the whole time. So I don't see him but three minutes on Friday anyway. I don't know why I go, right? So I'm going and I'm stuck in Houston for three hours. So we land at 1 a.m. I get to the hotel around 2 o'clock, shower, go to sleep. I had to get me up, I have a, I had to get up. I'm a west coast now, get up starts at 8, so I'm three hours behind. So I'm up and working. Then after that, man, I do my, my production meetings, all these things happen. So I'm on NFL Live, bro, and I'm sitting there and it's like. The show's going on and like, nobody's talking to me. You know, and Dan's talking, and Mina's talking, and Hannah's talking, and Jeff Darlington's talking.

• 36:54Ryan Clark?

  And I'm sitting there and I'm like, man, I did all these meetings and I did all this preparation. I've watched every single game and like, I can't, like, not gonna come to me? And it was almost like me fighting the entitlement of like, I worked damn hard, like, I should be a part of the show. I'm actually really good at this too. Me being a part of the show makes it better for the show. And bro, I stopped talking.

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• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  Like, they'd come to me and like, normally when you'd come to me and I know I have 40 seconds, I'd cut on. Right? I'm excited, I'm analogies, I'm jokes, nothing. You know what I mean? And I even told them, like, "Can y'all just take me off the rest of the show?" You know what I mean?

• 37:59Channing Crowder?

  You just, you just said you failed.

• 38:01Ryan Clark?

  I failed. If you ask me about myself, it's the one thing I love about me. I don't love, like, I'm not good at a lot. Like, people think because I'm successful, like, I was successful at football and I'm successful at media, that I'm good at a lot of things. I'm actually not. I just only do stuff I'm good at. You know what I'm saying? But the one thing I'm good at is like, no matter what, just because I think it's just the undrafted free agent thing. "Oh, I gotta go play gunner? I'm gonna be the best gunner we got."

• 38:25Channing Crowder?

  Turn on.

• 38:26Ryan Clark?

  I just turn on, you know what I mean? And I couldn't. And the thing was, it was like, I don't know if it was that I didn't want to or if I was just so mentally drained from trying to be on and being tired that I couldn't. And like, afterwards, I was like embarrassed because I was like, I let, I let them win. Right? I, I can't, I can't now say, "No matter what you did to me, I always showed up for you." Because I didn't.

• 38:50Channing Crowder?

  Strong men fail and they grow. I guarantee knowing you as well as we do, that'll never happen again.

• 38:57Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 38:57Channing Crowder?

  Because you grew from that. So that's one thing when you fail, that's why people don't take chances because they're so scared to fail. But you grow through failure and I think that's what you did. Man, cry over spilled milk, hell, roll with it. Next time do better.

• 39:12Ryan Clark?

  I did.

• 39:13Fred Taylor?

  And I don't know who quote it is or how, you know, how they brought it together. But they said, you know, you'll find a way or you'll find an excuse. I don't know the rest of it. But I like telling my fucking children that now. That's all I've been saying the last two weeks, as if I had never heard it before. And knowing the man that you are, you know, and the fact that you fought against those odds, you know, to get to this position. And you do a great job at everything that I've seen you do. You will find a way. You know, and if you don't find a way immediately, just tap into HR. I'm sure it's, you know.

• 39:48Ryan Clark?

  You know, but like that's the.

• 39:49Fred Taylor?

  HR can help you.

• 39:50Ryan Clark?

  And so like that was the thing, man. Like it just, like it just continued going because like I'm a solution guy. Y'all know that. I don't like having conversations that's just to talk. Like I feel like that's stupid. Like why do we talk for 16 hours?

• 40:03Channing Crowder?

  Find an answer.

• 40:04Ryan Clark?

  What's the answer to the question? Like two plus two, it got an answer. If you ain't looking, if you just want to keep talking about how we get to it, that don't make no sense to me. Let's get the answer. And so, man, you know, so I make the calls, bro. And I'm like, look, you know, what are we going to do? And I'm not trying to tap in to do more work. I do enough work. I'm on TV enough. I was like, how do we respect my time?

• 40:26Channing Crowder?

  Well.

• 40:26Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, how do we not make me stay on the production call with, the pre-production call with you for 45 minutes? And then the production call with you for an hour, right? The Zoom meeting? And then I only talk for four minutes. I could talk for four minutes without knowing anything that's coming up. You can ask me any question and I can do it.

• 40:45Channing Crowder?

  We know.

• 40:45Ryan Clark?

  You know, and so, you're true. And so, we're having the conversation, bro. And I said, you know, and I'm talking to him like, hey, you know, how do I, can I just email you my answers?

• 40:57Ryan Clark?

  And then emailing you my answers, is it possible that once you guys do the rundown, you can just send me the rundown? I say, because I travel out here and I was like, and I know that none of what's going on in my life is of your concern or should be. I said, I'm trying to just talk about what happens with this show. If I'm only going to do that part of the show, how can we lessen my preparation time? Because I don't need to prep for two hours to talk for four minutes. I was talking to, you know, one of the producers, he's a, he's a white male. And he tells me, he goes, "Well, I don't want this to be a hostile relationship going forward." So, I called you calmly as a professional. Uh, I spoke to you without insult.

• 41:40Ryan Clark?

  I spoke to you without making it personal. I talked as a professional as it pertains to my job. I ask you, how can we work together to make this a better environment for everyone? And allow us to use my time, which I find valuable, efficiently? And the only answer you have for me is you don't want this to be a hostile environment? I said, well, I said, no. Even though it's not a hostile environment, we have a problem. I said, because, because if, if you don't know me or if you haven't dealt with me in this capacity,

• 42:23Ryan Clark?

  I said, everybody here knows I work as hard as anybody. Right? I'm on, I'm on the six o'clock get up meeting when nobody else has to be on that. Right? And so now, if you go tell your colleagues or you tell your executives that Ryan Clark is hostile, what happens? Oh, the big black mad football player doesn't know how to handle himself. Angry black man. Right? I said, so, we gotta figure this out. I was like, we can't have that two grown adult men can't have a conversation in the way that two grown adult men should be able to have a conversation without you having to run and say it's hostile. I say, so it's either that you are unaware of your biases?

• 43:07Ryan Clark?

  Right? Or you just quickly categorize me in that way. So you don't have to deal with me and answer me as a man. You know, and I think that's like the other piece of business. That I'm having to move into. And understand is like from our perspective, you can tell me anything. And you can tell me any kind of way you want and we can handle it the same way like you feel this way. All right, let's talk about it. But in business, it doesn't work that way. But how do you? Deal with people who misperceive? Your approach because of their own biases, their own personal stories. Or truly being unaware of the way things. Will sound, the way things will be accepted.

• 43:50Ryan Clark?

  Because if he goes and says that somewhere else, now I have to deal with it.

• 43:54Fred Taylor?

  You can't, you can't change people's insecurities. That's who they are and what they are. You know, and some people just, some people would rather call than text. I mean shit's unnecessary. Or they would rather zoom than call. I'm gonna turn my camera off anyway. And then you got some people that just, well, this is my job. I gotta cover my ass and I gotta create this checklist. If the procedure is for me to call you after I email you, this is what I'm gonna do. And, and also you can add trust to that. You know, until you guys actually. Uh, until he finds a way to trust that you are the professional that you have shown to be. And that everyone else knows you to be that person.

• 44:39Fred Taylor?

  Um, he's gonna probably continue to have that approach. And that's just his own insecurity. In a sense, in fairness, you know, on the outside looking in. If that's his job, he has to do his job until he's comfortable with seeing that you are the pro that.

• 44:55Ryan Clark?

  The insecurity thing is big too, because the, everybody has biases, everybody has racism, everybody has prejudice.

• 45:02Channing Crowder?

  The problem is communication. And I would say on two sides, not speaking about you and this other individual, but on two sides of things, somebody got to meet in the middle. The way you talk to him made him feel was hostile. Then he needs to understand how you communicate. Or you need to talk differently to him, but y'all would need to meet somewhere in the middle. And that would be, it was a lack of communication. But to Freddie T's point, if you're a superior, the best bosses know how to connect and know, just like coaches. I can talk to Fred different than I talk to Ryan if I'm your head coach. I can cuss this dude out and I have to coddle him. So as a superior, I would say that if a, if someone needs to talk to you, need to communicate with you and you take it as hostile,

• 45:46Channing Crowder?

  it's your job as a superior to understand that employee and try to get that communication right. But I, as you laid it out, RC, the only thing I went to was insecurities and communication. There was a lack of communication there.

• 45:59Fred Taylor?

  And, and that's, that's, uh, next time, RC, just hit him with the Shaqari. Shaqari, Shaqari, Shaqari. Peace, love and light. You know, I'm living my life. Shout out to my haters. You know, and just go do your thing that you always do, man. And, uh, you know, Channing hit it on the head. Communication is key. Y'all will figure it out and find a way.

• 46:17Ryan Clark?

  Fellas, it is week three and DraftKings has turned to us because they want our picks. San Francisco is flat out balling, bro. And I don't really care who the opponent is. I got them until I don't.

• 46:27Channing Crowder?

  Boy, I gotta go with Cleveland. You know, they got that new quarterback and their defense is playing now. Cleveland over Tennessee.

• 46:33Fred Taylor?

  Listen, I'm gonna stay home, man. I ain't gotta go too far. My backyard is Miami. So I got Miami.

• 46:38Ryan Clark?

  Hey, listen, these two may be probably more right than I always am, but I'm still trying. We had a HR call last week. Uh, and on the HR call, it was, uh, we went to the head of HR, uh, one Randolph Channing Crowder, uh, with a complaint. Um, so what happens is, right? When you become a group, which we are, right? Like when people see us together, it's like seeing celebrities in the wild. Like they can't believe we actually hang together. I don't know if they think we like superimpose ourselves on this show, but we gotta get to fricking the Forum in Columbus in some kind of way. So sometimes we gotta come together, right? We gotta go, ooh, pause. We gotta go together. You know what I'm saying?

• 47:23Fred Taylor?

  I ain't got no problem with it.

• 47:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. What you said? Hey, Chan.

• 47:29Ryan Clark?

  Chan, Chan, I don't wanna, I don't wanna be in anywhere close to coming with you, I don't, Chan.

• 47:36Channing Crowder?

  They got movie theaters, they got movie theaters, y'all can sit separate.

• 47:40Ryan Clark?

  Uh huh.

• 47:41Channing Crowder?

  And they play nasty pictures. You just heard, Peary Herman. Oh wow, you went way back there? When he had the popcorn bucket with it, with the hole in the bottom? Never mind.

• 47:53Ryan Clark?

  Well, but what we're saying is, people get associated with one another, right? So basically, one, he never gets us in trouble. Like, let me just be very honest about that.

• 48:02Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 48:02Ryan Clark?

  Fred has never said anything that I've had to answer for.

• 48:06Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 48:06Ryan Clark?

  They never like, hey man, why your boy Fred do that? That never happens.

• 48:10Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 48:10Ryan Clark?

  Right? You, and you, have certainly had to answer for things I've said.

• 48:15Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 48:16Ryan Clark?

  And I appreciate you guys, right?

• 48:17Channing Crowder?

  Got your back, baby.

• 48:18Ryan Clark?

  Uh, this week, just minding my business in Arizona, clearly, we see that my day wasn't great.

• 48:23Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 48:24Ryan Clark?

  Right? And then I get, hm, your boy Chan cutting up, huh?

• 48:30Ryan Clark?

  Your boy Chan fake, he shaking Dak's hand, and then he say he gonna take Dak to dinner, and say whoop de whoop de whoop. I said, well guys, I'm not chanting. And then I got this call. Well, should somebody say something nice about Dak? And what did I say? Nope.

• 48:47Channing Crowder?

  Nope.

• 48:47Ryan Clark?

  I'm riding with Chan. I ain't saying nothing. We just gonna have to ride this one out, and none of us can't go back to Oxford.

• 48:57Channing Crowder?

  It's so funny, that whole situation, man. I laid it out, I laid up that they have a great team, the Dallas Cowboys have Hall of Famers everywhere. Back two back years, they're going to go play the 49ers. They're gonna score 12 and 17 points, and they're gonna lose. And I watched that in facts, and it was Dak's offense, and that was the point I made. You told me, we were on the call, and you made perfect sense. You can say something, but when you say it with a lot of, what do you, how you say it? Very animated, very energetic, and you tell jokes, and I was like-

• 49:30Ryan Clark?

  And when you paint certain pictures.

• 49:32Channing Crowder?

  And I was like, if he ever sees a four or nine, he gets scared. And I understand, it was just fun, it's entertainment, and that's what we do. But I do question Dak's- Quarterbacking ability to take his team to win a Super Bowl. And that's what I was saying, but it was very, I respect the man as a human. This is my thing, RC, and the thing that got to me, I made my opinion, I feel that way. Thing that got to me is when they were like, oh, you shook his hand and then you said he's, uh, he's not that good. There are facts behind why people question Dak Prescott. But I can still appreciate you, like you as a human, and question your ability. There are, there, I know doctors that ain't worth a shit, but they're in my family. You know what I'm saying?

• 50:10Fred Taylor?

  You know, Tannen, in all, in all fairness to Dak, right? And, um, and I ain't trying to clean up what you said. You say, this is your opinion, and my opinion is this. If the Ravens can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer, right? Um, then they win with Trent Dilfer.

• 50:28Channing Crowder?

  Fred, it's a different game. Brad Johnson Buccaneers.

• 50:30Fred Taylor?

  Brad Johnson and Buccaneers, yeah. And even back in the eighties when I played, like you are, uh, Jim McMahon and the Chicago Bears. We're talking about defenses. Football is the most amazing way to, football, we're talking about sport, right? We're talking about sport. You can't just leave it all on Dak. You can't, you can't just leave it all on Dak to win a championship. It's, it's about sport. As I see it, my, my early season top five, San Fran, uh, Dallas Cowboys, 1A, 1B. Those are the two best teams in the NFL right now. And, and Dak has an amazing defense. All he gotta do, continue to be consistent and steady and not try to play out of, out of, you know, he, he doesn't have to play like a, a top three quarterback.

• 51:16Channing Crowder?

  Cause he's not.

• 51:17Fred Taylor?

  But people give him shit because Dak's still a fourth round pick. He's a Dallas Cowboy. And anytime shit ain't going right in Dallas, people attack those players. And that's just because they are the mockery. So what they've, what they've done in the past have made them the mockery in present time, right? They're, they're, they're not as great as they were and people want that. So people, when, when the players aren't playing at their A game, they go back and they say, all right, I can pick at this guy, I can pick at this guy. Who else you gonna pick at? You're gonna always attack the quarterback.

• 51:49Channing Crowder?

  They're America's team, they're the highest, what, they're the highest. Price team in the league with great power.

• 51:53Fred Taylor?

  If Dak was doing, if Dak played the way he played on other teams, you wouldn't give him as much shit. People wouldn't.

• 52:02Channing Crowder?

  Because he has a lot of power being on America's team and the highest price team.

• 52:06Fred Taylor?

  Part of his play on the field.

• 52:08Ryan Clark?

  Can I talk?

• 52:12Fred Taylor?

  He threw interceptions. Other quarterbacks have thrown more on an annual basis. Did they get the same shit that Dak gets?

• 52:19Ryan Clark?

  Can I be, can I be honest though? Can I be, because I'm in the business, right? So being in the business is this, every Monday morning when I wake up and I do the production call for Get Up, the Dallas Cowboys are in the rundown. Every Monday morning, and you know what? There are some times they put them in the As and they put them later in the show so they could tease after the Bs that the Dallas Cowboys gonna be back in the show. You know why? Because people stay and watch until Dallas comes on.

• 52:45Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 52:46Ryan Clark?

  Right? So it's not that Dak Prescott gets more stuff for his play. It's that that team is talked about more so you hear it, right? It's that the fact that no matter what show you go on, if your job is to analyze football, they're gonna ask you about the Dallas Cowboys. Because the Dallas Cowboys on their show is going to rate. Now, because of that, you're gonna talk about the most important position in football, which is the quarterback position. Dak Prescott is a success story. Dak Prescott is a fourth round pick that became the franchise quarterback of America's team, of the most valuable sports organization in the world. He really is. Dak Prescott is a good quarterback.

• 53:29Ryan Clark?

  Dak Prescott to me is a top 10 quarterback. Dak Prescott is a guy that's going to a Pro Bowl. He's got an opportunity to get a second contract, which he earned, which he deserved. Now, in that same breath. Dak Prescott in that offense is the reason you lose to San Francisco, along with Mike McCarthy that year, is the reason you lose to San Francisco when you win the division. It's the reason that in the second round, you go there and you lose when your defense holds them under 20 points. Correct. That's the two interceptions, that's analyzing the game. If Dak Prescott doesn't throw the interception to Lenore, if he doesn't throw to Lenore, I forget his last name, whatever it is, if he doesn't throw the tip pick that I think Fred Warner catches,

• 54:13Ryan Clark?

  like if those things don't happen, the team wins. It's okay to say that. The world has gotten to a point because of Twitter, because of the visuals, we can show Channing shaking his hand, and so because Channing shakes his hand, he's never supposed to truly analyze football as he sees it, and that's wrong. Right. Right? Now, the thing is, it's just like me, right? Let's take the Tua situation, for instance. If I say, when I see Tua, that, you know, oh man, Tua's gained some weight this year, I wonder what part of his offseason program that was and why he would do it. It looks, he looks a little heavy to me. I wonder how that would affect him getting inside and out of the pocket.

• 54:55Ryan Clark?

  I don't know if his offseason program, if they programmed it that way and it went correctly. As opposed to me saying, he looks like a woman from Onyx. No. That is the fun of entertaining, that is the adding of peace to it. And when people hear that, that's different. If Channing said, I'm gonna take him out to dinner and tell him you're the reason we lost, that gets, that gets people's ears, that gets people's eyes. People's wanna hear that, they wanna listen to it. It's more entertaining, but now it feels more personal. When simply all he's saying is, I turned on the film in the last two playoff games, and Dak Prescott did not play well. Based on the way Dak Prescott played, I can't foresee his play being the reason that team wins the Super Bowl. If he says it that way, nobody has an issue with it. Correct.

• 55:41Ryan Clark?

  And it's not all of those things. And we can't be everybody's friend, right? And that is not our job. And so I think that, for me, I believe that the Dallas Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl this year. I believe they're going to the Super Bowl because of that defense, because Mike McCarthy... inexplicably is a very, very good play caller now. And because Dak Prescott, I believe, is a good enough quarterback to win a Super Bowl and a team win a Super Bowl because of him and not in spite of him. But, but, I'mma say this and I'mma say it again. I have no problem with what Channing said. I have no problem with the way that he described it. I have no problem with the way that he analyzes film.

• 56:26Ryan Clark?

  I don't believe that he should, because he's shaking his hand, because he's taking a picture with him, he has to change his opinion. I will say this, when I get to know people and when I get close to them, or when I feel like they do certain things for me, or they're showing me certain love, I speak about them differently, I won't change my opinion. I won't lie about what I see on the film, but I will approach it differently because I respect the way that they might receive it. He doesn't have to do that and it doesn't make him wrong. And I'mma say this before we go, no matter what he does, I'm with him when he right and I'mma be with him when he wrong in public. That's the show.

• 57:12Fred Taylor?

  That was good shit.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time.

• 57:48Speaker 06

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