Encounters x328 - Stories from Haunted New England

We’re diving deep into haunted New England, where eerie backroads, historic buildings, and long-forgotten spirits collide. Ancient elemental spirits, haunted institutions, and eras-old buildings filled with lingering energy and gin drinking spirits, these stories blend history, horror and the psychologically unsettling. Stories include: A listener gets lost on a desolate Maine road when the GPS mysteriously leads them to a fog-filled stretch haunted by a sinister woman who appears twice in impossible ways. During a childhood visit to a former tuberculosis preventorium, a listener experiences watchful eyes, freezing air, and the voices of phantom children. A wine delivery gone wrong escalates into a terrifying encounter with a man whose eyes turn completely black mid-argument. A Ouija board session in a haunted college building connects a listener with a spirit who wants gin and revenge. One listener endures a terrifying night of sleep paralysis in a historic Shaker dwelling. Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from PreNuvo in a couple of weeks.

• 0:05Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 0:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I recently had some medical issues in my family and everyone in my family is like, let's just do everything we can to get ahead and take our own health into our own hands. PreNuvo's whole body scan is a radiation-free MRI designed to help provide a detailed, non-invasive look at your body in under an hour, and it helps evaluate across major organs and systems, including the brain, spine, abdomen, pelvis, and more. PreNuvo's whole body scan can help detect many cancers, aneurysms, and hundreds of other conditions. And they have memberships that bundle MRI scans, blood panels, and a personalized results review to track your health year after year.

• 0:47Corinne Vien?

  To learn more about PreNuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/tgog and use code TGOG. That's P-R-E-N-U-V-O.com/tgog. Terms and conditions apply.

• 1:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off PreNuvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit PreNuvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. PreNuvo gifted me a whole body scan. A PreNuvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider.

• 1:18Speaker 02

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• 2:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very spooky.

• 2:08Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 2:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, everyone.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  Welcome to Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:16Corinne Vien?

  She's trying to get comfortable.

• 2:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina. And if you're watching the video, beside us, between us, is our beloved member of the Two Girls, One Ghost universe, Sven. If not the most important member of this podcast.

• 2:32Corinne Vien?

  The embodiment of Sven.

• 2:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This might be Sven. We don't know. Like, Sven could be possessing the skeleton.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 2:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is your vessel if you want it to be.

• 2:39Corinne Vien?

  You can, I play with this knob like every single recording.

• 2:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what she said.

• 2:48Corinne Vien?

  Yuck.

• 2:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yucky, yucky. Um, okay, we actually teased this episode not long ago.

• 2:54Corinne Vien?

  Two encounters ago?

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but we themed this based on a place near and dear, very near, literally near and dear to our hearts, because we live here.

• 3:05Corinne Vien?

  Like an atom distance away.

• 3:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, we are existing within it. It's New England.

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  It's my house. No.

• 3:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have enough stories from just this house to fill an episode.

• 3:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we do.

• 3:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, yeah, we were like, let's get encounters from the New England area. And my goodness, do we have so many. And you teased, you have to go first. You have to do the one first.

• 3:28Corinne Vien?

  No, I'm saving it for Patreon.

• 3:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 3:31Corinne Vien?

  Well, for anyone who didn't listen to Two Encounters ago, there was a story sent in from our listener, Liv, and they knew I was from Vermont, but didn't know what town I was from. And they were like, oh, my gosh, I just moved to Vermont recently, too. And we moved to this town, my hometown, and I worked at this grocery store. And here are my hauntings from the grocery store, my grocery store, growing up.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's haunting.

• 3:52Corinne Vien?

  So I freaked the fuck out. I called my mom. She was talking to her friend. I had everyone, like, three-week call. I'm talking about all the stories that she experienced. And we're all freaking out that our local grocery store that we have been to countless times.

• 4:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's haunted. Okay, so now we all have to wait. Yeah, sorry. Even I have to wait, and I'm sad about it. It's not, it's not even at the end. It's just, if you're on Patreon, you get to immediately go click. On Patreon and listen to this. On Patreon and click play. Okay, well, then I guess I'll go first. You go first. Okay, which one do I want to do first? Do you want Demon, Sleep Paralysis, or Elementals? Ooh, let's start with Elementals. Okay, great. I feel like that's less visited. Okay, this is from our listener Natalie. And yeah, it's called Haunted New England Road, dot, dot, dot, Elementals. Hello, Corinne, Sabrina, and Lea. I've been listening to your podcast for several months. Oh, this was sent back in 2019, by the way, too. Oh, wow. It helps me get through my long drives on the California freeways

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  while I drive my daughter back and forth to gymnastics training six days a week. Geez, are we in the series in the Olympics? Yeah. Baby. That's a lot of practice. That's how my sister was with figure skating. Hmm. I just listened to your episode on Haunted Disneyland, and boy, could I add to your episode because, well, I worked the night shift there for seven years. And I was what Disney would consider a 911 operator. There are so many more hauntings, and all of the Make-A-Wish kids that sadly pass away in hotels, or there's also countless deaths by suicide at the hotels. But I'll save those for another email. Oh, my gosh, this is so sad. Disney, because it's, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, no, please, please send those if you haven't already.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but today I have a story that is kind of long, but I promise it's worth it, and it's creepy. So a few years ago, my husband and I took our three kids to Maine to visit my parents for a few days after Christmas. Now, we live in Southern California, so this was quite a journey and also quite a shock to us with the weather. We flew into the Boston, whoa. Into the Boston. Into the Boston, doesn't say that at all. That's very California, the 405. It does not say that at all in the email. We flew into Boston, which is my favorite city, but it was also cheaper than flying into Bar Harbor. And I also wanted to force my husband to see Boston. So we spent the night and then started out to Maine the next morning. It's a long drive to Bar Harbor. I had never been to my father's house

• 6:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  since we had lost touch for quite a few years and had just reconnected maybe five years prior to this trip. So I punched in the address to the iPhone and it gave us the route. I called my dad to verify that the route was correct and that it was also the best way. And he said, yep, that's right. So we start driving. Everything's good, other than being in a car with three children. We get about forty five minutes away and all of a sudden we find ourselves on this desolate road. And we noticed there are no other cars on this road. And it's starting to ice over because apparently it's not traveled much, so it's not usually plowed. Unfortunately, we have no other choice but to continue forward and take it slow. Not only that, but there was absolutely no cell signal. So we couldn't even tell my dad that we were running late.

• 6:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The thing is, our GPS on our phone never rerouted like it usually would if it takes you on the wrong route. It just kept going, but never showed us that it was rerouting, which was weird. And this has never, ever happened since. Like they went, they took the wrong road, but it didn't Yeah. course correct. So we finally get to my dad's and tell him we got stuck on some side road, but we didn't know the area well. So we couldn't tell him what road we were on. He didn't know what it was. Fast forward to later that week. So because it's winter in New England, we had been stuck in the house. And so my husband and I decided to take the kids on a day trip to Bangor, Maine, to do a little bit of sightseeing and of course have lobster. And see Stephen King's ass. Hmm, of course.

• 7:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My dad lives in Harrington, Maine, so we mapped it out on the iPhone and had no issues getting there. Had a great time. When we decided to return to my dad's, I put his address into the GPS, confirmed the route, and it was the same route we took to Bangor, Maine, which was all highways, main roads. It literally showed the exact route we had come is the exact route we were going back. So I called my dad and let him know we were on our way back and headed off. We drove, we talked, enjoyed the New England scenery, talked about what we were going to do for the rest of the trip. And I was keeping an eye on the directions while my husband drove. I'd give him updates on where to turn, how far until the next turn, you know. But then time goes by. It's getting dark.

• 8:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now we notice we're the only vehicle on the road and have been for some time. I'm like, have you seen another car lately? And my husband goes, actually, no, I haven't seen another car or another person. And then we both realized we don't have cell signal. He asks if we're going the right way and I tell him that the directions never rerouted us, that it says we're going to my dad's. But as we keep driving, this road keeps getting more and more desolate and creepy. This is not the road we had taken to Bangor Main. The trees were growing over the road, forming this canopy, and all of a sudden fog began rolling in. Oh, so Stephen King. There was no other light aside from our headlights, and it was a very, very spooky

• 9:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  combination. My husband, who is a complete skeptic in the paranormal, says, "Babe, I have this feeling that someone or something is watching us. If I see anything, I am not going to stop." Which, obviously, everyone in the car hears that and freaks out. Right. I look to the GPS and screenshot the area for future reference so that we can show my dad where we were when we get cell signal. The road was Route 182, otherwise known as Blackswood Road, and we were near an area called Fox Pond. So we're all freaked the F out. We're driving, and all of a sudden, keep in mind, we're on a desolate road, have not seen any other cars or any other people in miles, when we see a woman walking in a long

• 9:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  coat along the side of the road. My husband says, "Fuck that," and keeps driving. We see a few scattered houses around, so we're thinking, "Whatever." But maybe five minutes later, we see what appears to be the exact same woman. Five minutes later, much further down the road. In the fog, too, is so creepy. And this time, she turns her head and smiles at us, but her eyes are sunken in, and her mouth is big and creepy, and her hair is black and matted. What the fuck? Why did my mind immediately go to Mermaid? Because it's like Maine, coastal town? Yeah. No, terrifying. My husband and I looked at each other, and we both could tell we could see the same

• 10:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  thing, and we were horrified. Thankfully, the kids didn't see it, and my husband goes, "Hey, kids, why don't you go to sleep?" Really quick, let's play a game. Knock out. How quickly can everyone close their eyes? Eventually, we get off that road and get back to my dad's, who was worried sick about us because he couldn't get in touch with us and we were supposed to be back way sooner than we'd actually gotten back. We told him what had happened and he looked like he had seen a ghost. This guy has seen some shit. He was special ops in the military in Vietnam and worked for our government out of Langley, wink, wink. So for him to look concerned was scary. We get everyone inside, we warm up, we tell him our story, and he tells me that the road we were on is known to be haunted and locals avoid it. Well, that's why there were no cars. He said he's not surprised.

• 11:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's foggy, people don't want to be on the road. What is this woman? Who is she? Right. He said he's not surprised that our GPS malfunctioned like that because GPS devices have been known to send people onto that road if you aren't aware of the area, meaning the ghosts, not the GPS. Are you kidding me? So you have to consciously like know where you're going and where to avoid. Yeah. My dad was just so happy we were all safe. But to now, for the legend. This haunting goes way back. There are supposed to be elementals haunting these woods and they've been here for millennia. There's a professor from, I don't know how to pronounce this, Maquis University, who took some students into the woods to investigate and they apparently had some really interesting things happen and you can look up the story. But they concluded the woods were haunted by an elemental force,

• 12:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  which is what I think messed with our GPS twice and what we felt was haunting us or watching us. Then the other haunting is the haunting at Catherine's Hill. The story goes, and there are several versions, but I'll just share this one, that in the 1920s during prohibition, when wealthy people would travel down east for drinking parties, they would go to a nearby lodge. And apparently, there was a young girl named Catherine, who was riding in a car with a male companion. They were coming around the road near Fox Pond when the man lost control of the car and crashed into the water. Unfortunately, Catherine was beheaded. Oh my God, that's crazy. And apparently, there is still a Model T at the bottom of Fox Pond to this day. So the legend is, and this part freaked me out,

• 12:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  is that anyone seeing the spirit of Catherine must stop and offer her a ride. And then the legend says, "Woe to those who don't, for the phantom will curse them and soon afterward they will die." So as you can see, I'm still alive and as is everyone else in my car. And it's been four years, but was that Catherine? I don't know. It was for sure creepy and I definitely would classify it as paranormal.

• 13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's apparently a book written about the area since it's all haunted and it's called Dark Woods Chill Waters by Marcus Labrize. Thanks for reading my story. I have sent a few other stories, but yeah, hopefully you enjoy this one. It's super scary. Kiss Leia for me, see you on the other side, Natalie.

• 13:30Corinne Vien?

  I mean, I know that I'm just thinking of Stephen King because it's in the general region of Bangor. But this did remind me a little bit of, um, wasn't it a Stephen King book, like In the Tall Grass? Or what was that one where it's like disappear into the corn? Nineteen?

• 13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're defining a bunch of them.

• 13:49Corinne Vien?

  Okay, hold on, hold on. Where it's like they go into the corn and then they, people keep coming, but there's like time glitches. I wasn't thinking of Children of the Corn. Maybe it's not Stephen King.

• 14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, Stephen King has written how many books?

• 14:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I know, there's so many. They're on like a road trip, basically. I don't know if they're on a road trip, but like they pass, there's like a building across the street. And I think they like might stop at it to like try to pee or something. And then they hear something in the corn and they go into the corn and then they get lost in the corn.

• 14:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That sounds like most Stephen King books. Like they start with like a family on a road trip. They stop and something horrible happens.

• 14:23Corinne Vien?

  They can't get out of the corn and there's like time warps and they're like meeting themselves, but also meeting other people who have come to look for them.

• 14:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If it doesn't exist, then you need to make it happen because.

• 14:33Corinne Vien?

  It exists. I've literally like, I've even, oh, it's In the Tall Grass.

• 14:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 14:38Corinne Vien?

  It's based on Stephen King.

• 14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, there you go.

• 14:41Corinne Vien?

  It's a movie from 2019.

• 14:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 14:43Corinne Vien?

  Based on what book? Let's see. Oh, same name. It's based on In the Tall Grass, which was a

• 14:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have not read that one.

• 14:51Corinne Vien?

  novella that he wrote with his son.

• 14:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it.

• 14:55Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, it reminded me of that.

• 14:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Took a minute to get there.

• 14:59Corinne Vien?

  For us to get there.

• 15:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But yeah, I mean, all of New England does remind me of Stephen King because, one, Stephen King took a lot of inspiration from New England.

• 15:09Corinne Vien?

  Which is where he lives.

• 15:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's haunted AF. I do feel like when you think about Appalachia, like it's a very specific genre of hauntings, right? It's like creepy, like ancient, watching you wood spirits.

• 15:22Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 15:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like nature spirits.

• 15:23Corinne Vien?

  It's like otherworldly.

• 15:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cryptids and stuff, but like when you think of New England, it is weird.

• 15:29Corinne Vien?

  It's almost like psychological horror.

• 15:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Where like you don't know what your reality is. It's less of like.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so many legends.

• 15:36Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And I feel like there's a lot of like time warps and like you become an unreliable narrator or like the people around. It is very mentally tricky.

• 15:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  Which might just be a nod to.

• 15:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My favorite type of horror.

• 15:50Corinne Vien?

  Seasonal depression as well.

• 15:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My favorite type of horror.

• 15:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we themed this New England and I took that as Vermont. So all of my stories take place in Vermont.

• 16:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're all Vermont? I think I picked one in Vermont too, because I was like, oh, for current, I'll pick a Vermont one.

• 16:06Corinne Vien?

  At first I was like, New Hampshire, Maine. And then I was like, no, just Vermont.

• 16:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:09Corinne Vien?

  Just Vermont for right now.

• 16:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't include, I don't consider New Jersey, New England.

• 16:14Corinne Vien?

  Well, because it's not.

• 16:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I just want to make sure.

• 16:16Corinne Vien?

  It is literally not.

• 16:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I agree. But I feel like some people are like, oh, you're from New England. I'm like, no, I'm not.

• 16:21Corinne Vien?

  No, she's from the Northeast.

• 16:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Connecticut is another story.

• 16:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I don't think Connecticut's part of New England either.

• 16:27Corinne Vien?

  It's technically part of New England, but.

• 16:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't view it as.

• 16:30Corinne Vien?

  Some people in Connecticut don't view it as either. And like, it has a weird repi- it's, New England does include.

• 16:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 16:37Corinne Vien?

  Like if we go by technicality, it includes Connecticut.

• 16:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't go by technicality, I go by feeling.

• 16:42Corinne Vien?

  The feelings of Connecticut, not truly part of New England, belongs.

• 16:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, the one part.

• 16:48Corinne Vien?

  New Jersey, New York.

• 16:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of Connecticut that I do view as part of New England is the Conjuring House. Or is that Rhode Island?

• 16:54Corinne Vien?

  That's Rhode Island.

• 16:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so like the little town next to where, like where we stayed at the chicken farm?

• 17:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 17:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I view that as.

• 17:01Corinne Vien?

  So like the border, the northern border of Connecticut can, can be.

• 17:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We go by our rules. Anyway, moving on, Vermont.

• 17:09Corinne Vien?

  Vermont.

• 17:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which we know for a fact is New England.

• 17:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I just found all my neighbors, basically, just to talk about.

• 17:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from PreNuvo in a couple of weeks.

• 17:21Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 17:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I recently had some medical issues in my family and everyone in my family is like, "Let's just do everything we can to get ahead and take our own health into our own hands." PreNuvo's whole body scan is a radiation-free MRI designed to help provide a detailed, non-invasive look at your body in under an hour, and it helps evaluate across major organs and systems, including the brain, spine, abdomen, pelvis, and more. PreNuvo's whole body scan can help detect many cancers, aneurysms, and hundreds of other conditions. And they have memberships that bundle MRI scans, blood panels, and a personalized results review to track your health year after year.

• 18:03Corinne Vien?

  To learn more about PreNuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/tgog and use code TGOG. That's P-R-E-N-U-V-O dot com slash TGOG. Terms and conditions apply.

• 18:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off PreNuvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit PreNuvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. PreNuvo gifted me a whole body scan. A PreNuvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider.

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• 19:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, Corinne and Sabrina. Fun fact, I actually grew up in the same town as Corinne.

• 19:09Corinne Vien?

  But we didn't know each other. She was a couple of years older than me.

• 19:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I was? Oh, but did she know you?

• 19:14Corinne Vien?

  But I remembered her face and name when I discovered the podcast a couple of years ago.

• 19:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 19:19Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, I wanted to share a creepy experience with you that took place at my mom's family's house in Essex, Vermont, which is the town next to where me and Kristen grew up, which is Williston, Vermont.

• 19:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love it.

• 19:30Corinne Vien?

  My mom's parents owned this big house in Essex in the early 1900s. It was a, I don't even know what this means, a preventorium?

• 19:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 19:40Corinne Vien?

  Maybe it's like a prevention sanatorium or something because she writes, "This is where people with tuberculosis could send their children to prevent their kids from getting sick."

• 19:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 19:49Corinne Vien?

  Interesting. I've never heard that.

• 19:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, me neither. Wait, that means that place like has so much like energy.

• 19:56Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 19:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's so sad. Yeah.

• 19:58Corinne Vien?

  Many kids who went there were very sick when they arrived and some ended up dying there from their ailments and from poor health. It closed down in the early twenties. A couple bought it. And then 30 years or so later, my grandparents bought it from them.

• 20:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perfect.

• 20:13Corinne Vien?

  It's where my mom and her 11 siblings grew up.

• 20:18Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit. My mom had always told me creepy stories about flickering lights, hearing faint sounds of children crying that was not from any of her siblings.

• 20:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so sad. Oh, because that would be hard to differentiate if you have 11 siblings. Yeah.

• 20:32Corinne Vien?

  And random cold spots were at the house and on the outside porches, even in the summer. The porches are where they would have the kids sleep in the winter for cool, fresh air. How?

• 20:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That mean it got too hot in the house?

• 20:45Corinne Vien?

  But also you would die. How do you live through a Vermont winter sleeping outside?

• 20:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I thought it was a porch.

• 20:51Corinne Vien?

  Is it a finished?

• 20:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like I imagine it's like a sunroom type of situation porch, but I don't know.

• 20:57Corinne Vien?

  I never seen.

• 20:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Listen, my, my apartment in Boston is so hot and like I have no control over the temperature. Like I just have radiators. My room is so hot that I have slept with my window open the entire winter.

• 21:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 21:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm, I run very cold, like you know.

• 21:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you do.

• 21:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For me to sleep with my window open in winter.

• 21:18Corinne Vien?

  That's intense.

• 21:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's how hot it is.

• 21:20Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 21:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Corinne Vien?

  At the time, people believed that being outside had a healing benefit for tuberculosis. All of her stories led me to be very creeped out by the house. And in my lifetime, my grandparents didn't live there, but they did sell the house. And my grandfather's business was attached to the house. To one of my mom's older brothers, who then raised his family there. And they still live there today. I was gonna say, when I heard sold the house, I was so sad because I was like, oh, I wish we could know more about it. But they still own it.

• 21:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's in the family.

• 21:49Corinne Vien?

  I have a very vivid memory from when I was eight of calling my uncle and asking him to buy Girl Scout cookies. And since he was a salesman by trade, he told me that I had to come sell them to him in person. So my mom drove the 15 minutes to his house, made me knock on the door and give him a sales pitch.

• 22:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 22:09Corinne Vien?

  The house had seen some better days. It was old, nothing had been updated since my grandparents had moved in the 50s. And I also remember it being super dark, like how in some movies and shows, no matter how bright you make your screen, you still can't really see what's going on. Is that an HBO problem or is that just?

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a TV problem.

• 22:28Corinne Vien?

  Is it?

• 22:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I feel like a lot of TV shows are just filmed much darker nowadays.

• 22:31Corinne Vien?

  I feel like a lot of HBO shows, like the.

• 22:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like the moody.

• 22:34Corinne Vien?

  I can't see anything.

• 22:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Corinne Vien?

  But it was like that in real life. No matter how many lights were on, it was still dark. At this point, I didn't know much of the history of the house, but I remember it always gave me the creeps. My mom and my aunt had gone off to talk in the kitchen and I managed to sell my uncle some cookies in the living room.

• 22:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're like, we'll leave you to this. Do your sales pitch.

• 22:55Corinne Vien?

  He left me alone to go get some money. And I remember a rush of cold air passing by me. And then all of a sudden getting the feeling that someone was watching me. They wanted cookies too. Don't forget me. I want my, they all changed their names, so I don't even know the names of them anymore. I turned around, assuming it was my mom, and no one was in the room with me. I distinctly remember all of the little hairs on my arms standing up and my shoulders tensing up to my ears. It all of a sudden felt like all of the eyes in the family photos on the walls were now staring at me. The temperature dropped to below freezing. I feel like I remember seeing my breath when I breathed out, like you do when it's cold out, but maybe I just had an overactive imagination.

• 23:37Corinne Vien?

  I remember calling for my mom, but it felt like my voice couldn't project and it just kind of came out as a little whisper. And it felt like time had slowed down. And then all of a sudden, my uncle walked back in and everything went back to normal. After that, I remember only going-

• 23:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The ghosts were like, finally, he's gone. I want the lemon. I want the caramel with the chocolate. It's kind of like when like kids like behave the second like an adult comes in.

• 24:00Corinne Vien?

  They like stop hitting it.

• 24:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Corinne Vien?

  After that, I remember only going to go see my uncle at work. I would make sure my mom would bring me when she knew that he was at the shop working, because I didn't ever want to have to go to his house again.

• 24:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 24:11Corinne Vien?

  As I got older, my mom told me more stories from things that she remembered from growing up there, things that were very similar to what I experienced. And it solidified that I wasn't crazy and I did experience exactly what had happened. I still shiver anytime I drive by this house. Also, after that encounter, I started dreaming about my mom's oldest brother who died when I was four. The dreams were so vivid that I believed that they were actually memories. But when I would ask my mom about it when I got older, she told me that those things had never happened. For example, one was my uncle driving up to my childhood home and we had a sliding glass door that faced the driveway. So I remember standing there, pressing my face against the glass and him getting out of the driver's side door and making faces at me before coming into the house.

• 24:55Corinne Vien?

  I thought that this was something that had actually happened for years. Until I was seventeen, we were going through my grandparents' house because both of them had passed away at this point. And I brought up this memory to my mom. She said my uncle had never been to her house when I was alive and he definitely could not have driven himself because he was legally blind for the last five years of his life. So he wasn't able to drive himself anywhere. After the years passed and more of the family passed away, I would have extremely vivid dreams about them as well.

• 25:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, they're all coming to visit you.

• 25:28Corinne Vien?

  I know. Crazy dreams by my grandma and my uncles and my cousins that have all passed that all feel like memories, but have never actually happened.

• 25:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would argue they are memories because they have actually happened. They're just happening in the

• 25:42Corinne Vien?

  in the dream.

• 25:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dream astral.

• 25:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whatever.

• 25:45Corinne Vien?

  Paranormal realm. The dreams have slowed down since I've gotten older, but I still remember them all. So yeah, that's my creepy experience of my mom's childhood home and former preventorium. I'm struggling with that word. Stay spooky, Kristin.

• 26:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kristin, that's amazing.

• 26:02Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love this story and this house.

• 26:05Corinne Vien?

  I know. It's also, I mean, I guess it's like a private residence because I was like, how did I not hear of this? But it's, it's a private residence. It's not like it's like some restaurant or something where you're like, oh, here's the like interesting lore. Should we go get pizza there?

• 26:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. I have, I think this is my Vermont one. Let's see. I don't know. It's New England. So like me do, it's got demons. From our listener Hunter and it is called demonic wine delivery.

• 26:32Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 26:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I thought like this was a fun, fun little spin story that we don't really get to hear. Greetings, ghostesses. My name is Hunter and I was at your October Arts of the Armory Show and Meet and Greet in Massachusetts with my girlfriend, Kenzie, for our two-year anniversary. I have a few personal stories, so does my girlfriend, but something happened very recently involving my parents. And Kenzie and I were like, we have to email the girls about it. I hope you enjoy. For context, my mom is a witchy woman, very in tune with the spiritual realm, and a firm believer in the afterlife and is just generally very open to that world. She's also very religious and this is a woman who knows things before you utter a word to anyone. She's found out about pregnancy announcements in her dreams before anyone was ever told.

• 27:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She is the real deal. And my dad is a believer because of what he's seen from my mom. He doesn't have the gifts that she does, but he's seen her gifts in action. Okay, so my dad does wine deliveries for a company that goes through all of New England. He uses a van, he does pickups, drop offs, and then he'll usually bring my mom along for company when she has nothing to do. No, this is not allowed, but it's our secret.

• 27:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So before his shift on a Monday morning, he and my mom went to a morning mass for the grandkids, my niece and nephew, as they were part of the mass. He was holding my other youngest baby niece, and she was conked out asleep. When he went up for the blessing, he was holding my baby niece. The priest gave her a blessing and then turned to my dad and said, "You look like you need this," and proceeded to bless him.

• 28:02Corinne Vien?

  Excuse me?

• 28:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is not a priest any of us have ever met before. My dad did not hear him say that to anyone else, but he just chalked it up to something harmless. After mass, it was time for my dad's shift. He has a very set schedule and a list of places that he never deviates from unless someone quits or something unforeseen happens. For no known reason, he was told he had to have one extra stop to an area that is not known to be very safe. He figured, it's one extra stop. That means extra money. Let's do it. No worries. It was his first stop. And this was a Monday, and Mondays are for pickups. And as context, his boss orders the cases. My dad goes to pick them up and then brings them back to the warehouse to be delivered later in the week. So for the places he's familiar with, it's so easy. They have a process.

• 28:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They have it ready for him. Very smooth. This first place, though, was not like that. My mom and dad arrive in the van to this new place, and for 10 minutes, they search for where they're supposed to be picking it up. Finally, after 10 minutes, someone from inside opens the door and signals to my dad to come on over, to drive his car to the front entrance. So he backs his van up to the entrance, and already this worker's giving my dad some attitude, telling him he needs to park better and park closer and just being annoying. Something to know is that my dad is a little hot-headed. So this was a match made in hell. He already hates this guy. So my dad gives a look to my mom, basically saying, "This is gonna get ugly, I can tell." He goes into the building to see tall stacks of cases on top of pallets,

• 29:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  but they're not supposed to be on pallets. My dad picks up however many individual cases, loads them into the van so he can make a proper space for them in the back. He's a big guy, so this is not a problem for him. But this worker is giving him lip, sounding entitled, being like, "You don't even have a hand truck. How unprofessional." Like, what unnecessary.

• 29:51Corinne Vien?

  Excuse me.

• 29:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:52Corinne Vien?

  Why is that your business?

• 29:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, that set my dad off, and he unleashed. Now they're going back and forth about how, "No, you're wrong. No, you're wrong." Blah, blah, blah. Naturally, my dad was correct. Plus, my dad was supposed to pick up 20 cases, and this guy only had 18. So my dad was like, "You're trying to rip us off." Anyway, they get in a fight. So now the wine is packaged incorrectly, less than ordered. They're going back and forth, worse, it's getting worse and worse between the two of them. And my dad said that it felt like they genuinely wanted to kill each other, but didn't know why. That is how bad the tension between them was getting. And it was just the two of them in the building while my mom was waiting in the car. Now, ordinarily, someone in her position would have no idea what's going on inside. But my mom is not ordinary. So when she gets these, like, hits, she'll make notes for herself on her phone.

• 30:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So like, if she wakes up in the middle of the night, she'll document dreams and try to make sense of them in the morning. So she's sitting in the van when all of a sudden she gets a strange feeling. So she pulls up her notes and writes down what she's getting. But this time, she only writes emojis. These are the emojis. Smiley face with the glasses, the, like, person talking, then like, a little, like, semi-angry face. The next one's that same angry face, but now red. Then that same angry face, but with, like, the cursing over its mouth. And then the last one is a demon. This is a very random assortment of emojis, right? Well, the nerdy one is accurate in the way that this guy had glasses and spoke like an entitled asshole. The second one represents the back-and-forth yapping between my dad and this guy.

• 31:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Three and four and five, of course, represent the angry yelling and swearing that these two were going back and forth with. Keep in mind, my mom is inside the van. She does not know what's happening inside the building with my dad.

• 31:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 31:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But the last one is the craziest. Why would she put the devil? What did she know? What did she feel? So now, back inside the building. My mom is totally unaware of what's happening. The back-and-forth continues between my dad and the other guy, and something horrified my dad. I will reiterate, my dad is a big guy. Very strong, hot-headed, not afraid of confrontation. He will defend himself and his family very happily and never back down. But something in this interaction scared him.

• 32:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The arguing stopped. And now they're staring at each other, staring each other down. My dad is taller. He's looking down to the sky, very close in proximity. But then my dad backs up a couple of feet scared because the man before him, his eyes slowly glazed over and were now appearing black.

• 32:23Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit.

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Staring back at my dad. So now the final emoji makes itself known. Was there something demonic possessing that man? But here's the thing, this is not the end of the story. As my dad is seeing the black eyes of this other man staring back at him, out of nowhere, from that flat pillar of wine cases, one of the wine cases literally flies off of the pallet and shatters across the floor.

• 32:51Corinne Vien?

  This is also so scary because I feel like in warehouses, there are so few people working that something could go horribly wrong.

• 33:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. My dad looks over to the loud breaking, looks back at the guy. His eyes are now normal and he's smiling as if friendly, as if the whole confrontation that they just had never happened. And all of a sudden, this guy is like cracking jokes with my dad and being friendly. Once my dad leaves, he picks up what he needs and he immediately goes to talk to my mom, frantically saying, you are not going to believe this. But she cuts him off. I already know. I have it written down here and shows him the emojis. We all to this day are like, what did that priest know? Was he blessing my father to keep him safe from this eventual demonic force he met? And how does my mom know everything? I'll also add a short story from my mom that she told us after, from when she was in high school. She was over at this girl's house for the first time ever.

• 33:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Parents weren't home, but the younger brother was. For whatever reason, this girl was arguing with my mom and being rude when eventually she left the room. So now my mom is just making conversation with the younger brother. But for some reason, she leaves the room to go find the girl, but she wishes she didn't. Because when she finds her, this girl is in another room, holding some type of book with a knife in hand, and her eyes appeared black.

• 34:08Corinne Vien?

  What in the world?

• 34:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She immediately backed off to go tell the brother and said, listen, I'm not staying here. You should call your parents to come home, and when they do, I will leave. She did that, walked a few miles to another friend's house, and has not told anyone until now. Anyway, those are my stories. Stay spooky, Hunter.

• 34:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, what the fuck? That is so scary.

• 34:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It also just feels like maybe like the guy at the warehouse wasn't possessed, but like some dark energy, because it almost seems like the dark energy took over both Hunter's dad and the guy. Like, they both were so angry with each other without even like really knowing why.

• 34:40Corinne Vien?

  And then for the guy to like, kind of just flip a switch and then suddenly be like, ah, ah, ah. I'd like, that's the creepiest part.

• 34:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then it's also like, did something positive intervene to break the wine?

• 34:49Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 34:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To like shatter the possession?

• 34:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, the like trance that they're both in, and over a couple cases of wine. And like, the truck being different from what the guy expected.

• 35:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then the priest saying, it seems like you need this.

• 35:05Corinne Vien?

  You need this. That's a good priest.

• 35:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wish that they did know this priest, so that they could go back and ask him, be like, hey, what did you mean when you said that to me? What did you see?

• 35:13Corinne Vien?

  Oh, damn.

• 35:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crazy. Why do I feel like your mom has experienced a lot of like demonic things?

• 35:19Corinne Vien?

  That's the thing. There's a lot of black eyes in this story.

• 35:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I don't like that. Which reminds me, um, what costume was it? Oh, it was for when I did Salad Fingers. I got those like, white contact lenses.

• 35:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they literally are like pure white that they make you blind.

• 35:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. It was, you were so committed to it, and then you couldn't, once you put your mask on, you couldn't even see your eyes at all?

• 35:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I was only using, yeah, because I was only, I only put one in, and I was like, wait, I literally can't wear these because

• 35:46Corinne Vien?

  You're blind.

• 35:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I need to read.

• 35:47Corinne Vien?

  I hate those.

• 35:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I've always wanted to wear the like, the black ones for a Halloween costume, but they probably do the same.

• 35:54Corinne Vien?

  Well, I don't know. Maybe not.

• 35:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, the full lens is black. Other contacts, like colored contacts, they have a hole where your pupil is. It's just the iris that's colored.

• 36:04Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 36:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:06Corinne Vien?

  And that's just full black? How does that work? There are people who wear them on stage, like performers and stuff, so you must be able to see.

• 36:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're just blind.

• 36:13Corinne Vien?

  There's no way.

• 36:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or they have ones that have the hole for the pupil.

• 36:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 36:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because your pupil's already black, you don't need to cut, change that color.

• 36:19Corinne Vien?

  I want you to do it.

• 36:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll have to do some research. Yeah.

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• 37:24Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have one called "The Bennington alum and the Ouija board."

• 37:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bennington triangle, we know about that. Hey, I actually remember that episode number, episode 318. I don't know why.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  Does it stick out in your mind because we did it twice?

• 37:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I just know that number. Like, I visualize it, I see it.

• 37:40Corinne Vien?

  See, it's you and the numbers. That's it.

• 37:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nothing else exists.

• 37:43Corinne Vien?

  You've said it like, I didn't want to point it out because I've pointed it out, I feel like, a few times in recent history, but even like, a couple of episodes ago, you're like, "I think it was..." and you like, listed a number?

• 37:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's certain episodes that the numbers should stick in my head.

• 37:56Corinne Vien?

  It's so fascinating, I don't remember a single one. What are we recording right now?

• 37:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  327, 28, 328.

• 38:02Corinne Vien?

  Hey ladies, I've been listening to your backlog to help get through some crazy long projects. It has been awesome. Especially like the Bennington and Appalachian episodes. I attended Bennington College from 2014 to 2018. My college friends and I refer to our time there as "the weirdest summer camp ever", or "the collective four years of a fever dream." That's a good way to describe college in general. For me, the best thing about Bennington was how safe it felt at night. I'm a chronic insomniac, so I'd frequently wander around the campus at like, 2, 3 a.m., smoking, listening to music. I've since quit smoking, hooray. The only few times that I felt uneasy was when I was passing Jennings, the music building.

• 38:46Corinne Vien?

  I feel like the music buildings are always haunted. It's like the theater and the music building. Cause they're like pouring your soul into art. Yeah. It's just a lot of anxiety, I think, with the students in those genres. It used to belong to the farm owners who gifted Bennington the land that it was built on. And when the last of the family passed, they left the manor to the school. That's so cool. It's an old stone building covered with ivy about a mile from the rest of campus and it's absolutely beautiful. And because it's an unhinged college, the building is actually open 24/7 for students to access the practice rooms. That makes sense. There's a large field beside the road that goes up there. And whenever I would take my late night walks, I'd notice a light bobbing and weaving through the trees on the other side.

• 39:32Corinne Vien?

  I never went to go investigate. I never really gave it much mind. But Appalachian rules, because we're in Vermont. Baby, rule number one, mind your business. Passing the building Jennings always gave me the feeling of being watched. The students would say that the building is haunted by old Mrs. Jennings, who supposedly died by suicide on the front balcony of this home. And I can't verify that, but there is some serious energy around the place. Once or twice, I did see a woman looking out the windows and she was gone whenever I did the double take. But maybe it was just a student doing some late night practice. Who knows? I always gave the building a nod and I would quickly walk by, mind your business, all that.

• 40:16Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so one night in 2017, me and my buddy Nick, we decided that we are interested in trying a Ouija board. As you do. It's the most haunted building in Vermont, so why not go there? So we went. We tried a few practice rooms, but we didn't get much. A lot of random circles, miscellaneous letters. The vibe was very much like- So many spirits were all trying to come through and they couldn't decide. Yeah. No, this way, there. The vibe was very much, leave me alone, I'm practicing. Fair enough. Okay. Then we found a very spooky hallway and the vibe here was off, so we decided to try one last time. Girls, we got coherent answers. Oh my god. I wrote it all down in a text to my friend and I've attached the screenshots because it's quite a lot. We got a name, Alan. We got dates, a reason why he was there.

• 41:02Corinne Vien?

  He asked if he could come with us and we said, no, he couldn't come with us, but could we bring him anything? And he said gin. So we said, okay, goodbye and left. We burned the Ouija board after. Burnt it? Did you bring him gin? Well, we're getting that. Okay. But ladies, in the stress of exam, we forgot to bring him his gin. Ah, no! And my life blew up after that. Misfortune after misfortune. Actually, I had to leave school for a bit due to some mental health struggles. Oh my gosh. And this went on for years and I was just in this funk I could not shake. And then I remembered Alan and his gin and I thought, maybe I'm being haunted because I never brought him his booze?

• 41:46Corinne Vien?

  In 2021, I was in New York, visiting some friends. And I decided to drive up to Bennington to buy this guy his gin and to at least put my mind to rest. I wasn't convinced that this haunting was real, but it would make me feel better. It would be worth it. And if it is real, at least maybe you could put it to an end, yeah. Right. So I drove the four hours up to get there. I got the gin 15 minutes before the liquor store closed. And then I drove up to the campus. It was dark. It was late by the time I got there. I parked in my old parking lot. I walked the same routes I used to when I was a student. And it was very healing, actually. Oh. No one bothered me. It was just like my little nighttime walks that I had taken before. So I got up to Jennings and felt the way that I always did there.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  I went in feeling like an intruder, since I didn't know if alums were actually technically allowed. But I found the hallway. I had bought a shot glass, so I took a shot. I poured another and then I set it on the floor. Then I said, hi there. I know it's years late, but I brought your gin. I'm sorry it took so long. Are we good? And I swear to you, something touched my ankle for a moment. Ew, why do I hate because it feels like it's crawling on the ground? Ugh, probably to pick up the shot of gin. Down here for the gin. He grows it and it's like, gives a little like, hey, thanks. I sat with it until the feeling went away and then I left, leaving the bottle on the floor next to the shot glass. On my way out, I ran into a teacher and he must have been new because I didn't recognize him.

• 43:15Corinne Vien?

  He said, I thought you were the Jennings ghost. And then he asked me if I was okay, if maybe I needed to come to his office to talk. I waved it off a little freaked and I told him, hey, I was just an alum. I'm visiting old stomping grounds and I beat a hasty retreat out of there. I almost wish I had talked to him, but there we are. I'm not going to say my life was magically better after this, but it did feel like a big weight was lifted from me. And I feel better knowing that I kept my word. My depression got a lot better after that, too. But maybe it was just the visit to Bennington and getting a chance to properly say goodbye. Closure does do wonders. Anyway, that is my big Bennington ghost story.

• 43:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 43:58Corinne Vien?

  We've got some others, but none that I've experienced personally. Of course, there were always rumors about the goat boy. Our school cryptid, but I could never find anything more than, oh, it's just

• 44:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, I love that.

• 44:09Corinne Vien?

  A boy with a goat's head that lives in the woods by campus.

• 44:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course, of course he does.

• 44:14Corinne Vien?

  Keep up the spooky work. All the best, Victoria.

• 44:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn. I mean, I'm kind of pissed at Alan if it is connect. I'm, I'm glad that Victoria, like you have been able to heal and stuff, but like, I'm kind of pissed if Alan took that much revenge on you for you not following through with gin.

• 44:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 44:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One little glass of gin is not worth tormenting someone over. A lot of ghosts are using alcohol this episode.

• 44:38Corinne Vien?

  That's true. I'm also like, it's kind of shorthand because in the text, it's like, we weren't there, so we don't totally know. But in the creepy hallway, this is what was written in the text to remember the witch board session.

• 44:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 44:50Corinne Vien?

  Hi there, I'm Alan Edwards. I came here in 1969 when I was 20. I died when I was 27. I'm here because a man is here. I hate him. His name is Hugh. He slandered my name and something about a retired woman named Delia.

• 45:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh.

• 45:08Corinne Vien?

  I'm so sad. What makes me happy? Talk. I want a drink. What drink? Gin. Don't go. You're leaving? May I leave with you? No, I'm so sad. Trying to spell something, but it didn't make sense. Lots of spelling mistakes.

• 45:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh.

• 45:26Corinne Vien?

  You're really leaving? Fine. Goodbye.

• 45:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, poor Alan. Who's Hugh?

• 45:31Corinne Vien?

  I don't know, but like vengeance is a bitch and if clearly he wants to, fuck you Hugh. I'm gonna spend my afterlife coming after you.

• 45:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 45:41Corinne Vien?

  It sounds like Hugh is still there.

• 45:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, that's what I mean. Well, it seemed like he was scared of Hugh, though. So now I'm like-

• 45:46Corinne Vien?

  Well, no, he slandered his name. I think he's there to haunt Hugh's-

• 45:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, like he's still alive?

• 45:52Corinne Vien?

  Like, I think he's there. I think he's there to torment Hugh.

• 45:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Alan, stop tormenting people. Damn.

• 45:59Corinne Vien?

  Frickin' Hugh.

• 46:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild. Now I'm curious if anyone goes to Bennington, go find that hallway and see if you can talk to Alan.

• 46:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, in the Jennings Building.

• 46:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bring him some gin, bring an offering, and see if he's still there. I'm also curious, since like they got like a full name Alan Edwards, I'm curious if you could find record of someone who, I don't know the year of like when that school was a school, but 1969 is when they had there.

• 46:22Corinne Vien?

  He came here in 1969.

• 46:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Curious. Okay, I have one, let's see, it's called the Enfield Shaker Museum in New Hampshire. Hello, I just finished listening to your first encounters from 2026 about college hauntings, and it reminded me that I needed to send you this story, although it's not about a college. I currently live in Edinburgh, Scotland, but I am from Ohio originally and used to live in New England, where I was working in historic preservation trades.

• 46:49Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, that's cool.

• 46:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Think timber window repairs, brick masonry repairs, and structural stabilization of really old buildings and state park structures. That's so cool.

• 47:00Corinne Vien?

  That is so cool.

• 47:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, it's the best work ever. Yes, it was what I've always dreamt of doing, and I am sad I'm not still doing it. But as you can imagine, this job brought me to so many incredible old buildings and old towns, but there's one experience that has been forever etched into my memory. I moved to Providence, Rhode Island for my first professional job, and I started a couple of days before the team was heading up to the Enfield Shaker Museum in New Hampshire for a New England-wide retreat, where we planned to share ideas, strategize about improving historic preservation services throughout the region, et cetera. They picked this location for the gathering because, well, it's beautiful, it's old, and there have been these amazing preservation efforts to maintain it.

• 47:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In summary, just a little information about it. This building was established in 1793 as the ninth of 18 Shaker communities in the US. To quote, it said, "The Enfield Shakers built more than 100 buildings, farmed over 3,000 acres of fertile land, educated children in model schools, and followed the Shaker way of worship." One of the buildings on this site, the Great Stone Dwelling, is available for overnight stays. The construction of this massive granite building was completed by the Shakers in 1841, and it contained 24 retiring rooms, which are bedrooms.

• 48:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 48:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When it was-

• 48:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, for you to retire for the night.

• 48:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To retire for the night. When it was in operation for the Shakers, 96 Shaker sisters and brothers would sleep here, as well as there was a large meeting room, a dining room, and a kitchen. And this is where we were going to be staying for our work retreat.

• 48:37Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 48:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So because they had already had all of the overnight arrangements made before I started the job, there weren't any individual rooms left for me. But my new boss, the director of the organization, very kindly said that I could share a room with her because it had two twin beds in it. Now, I was pretty nervous about this because I barely knew her, and she barely knew me. But since I had just started the job, I couldn't really miss the opportunity. So in any case, I thought, at least it's a good way to get to know each other and hopefully for her to know that I'm normal, right? Unfortunately, my hopes of appearing normal were crushed on the first night. We had a lovely day, meeting like-minded people, eating good food, seeing some really cool buildings, and we all got ready for bed. I was fine. I think I did a bit of reading before I turned the lights out.

• 49:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And next thing I know, after having been asleep maybe a couple of hours, my eyes were wide open. I couldn't move. I couldn't breathe. I couldn't speak.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  Ugh.

• 49:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't remember seeing anything, but I felt that something was physically holding me down. I was so terrified and so confused. My entire body was trapped. It felt like this was going on forever. In the moment, I couldn't even think of what to do except for trying to scream. And it felt like I was trying to scream for an hour, although it was probably only a couple of minutes or more likely seconds. Eventually, though, I did scream loudly, really loud. I shot up in bed and woke up. It took me a second to orient myself. I scanned the room and next to me, I saw my boss also sitting up in bed confused. And she asked if I had heard that, which was so funny.

• 50:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, did she think someone else in the building had screamed? Or was the boss trying to be polite? Or did the boss have sleep paralysis too?

• 50:23Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 50:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I honestly-

• 50:25Corinne Vien?

  It's also like if you wake up to a scream, it's kind of disorienting where you're like not-

• 50:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where's that from?

• 50:29Corinne Vien?

  Was that in my own mind as I was waking up?

• 50:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. I honestly can't remember what I said. I might've said, I don't know, or pretended to still be half asleep. But in the morning, after I had the chance to process what had happened, I did confess to her that I had screamed. I couldn't stand the idea that she would have thought she heard a random, unexplained scream in the middle of the night. So I basically said, I'm really sorry. I don't know what happened, but that was me. I screamed. And then she had to spend two more nights with me. Luckily, she's super lovely. But I have never had sleep paralysis before that or since that. And I have no explanation of what happened that night in the great stone dwelling at Enfield Shaker Museum. I hope you enjoyed. From Grace.

• 51:09Corinne Vien?

  Dang. Uh, I guess I'm not surprised.

• 51:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 51:12Corinne Vien?

  Given the old history and how many people were like in and out of there.

• 51:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Corinne Vien?

  But it's very like spooky overnight summer camp vibes.

• 51:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just with your boss?

• 51:22Corinne Vien?

  Just with your boss.

• 51:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The first time you're spending time with her. What a great way to introduce yourself with a scream in the middle of the night.

• 51:30Corinne Vien?

  Fighting sleep paralysis and screaming your way out of it. Damn.

• 51:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Crazy.

• 51:36Corinne Vien?

  But I love it.

• 51:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. What a cool job.

• 51:39Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 51:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now you live in Edinburgh. Also very cool.

• 51:42Corinne Vien?

  So cool.

• 51:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even if you're not still doing historic preservation, like you get to be around old, older buildings than we have here in this country. So that's cool.

• 51:50Corinne Vien?

  Now my mind is just like going off with just the trades and how masonry is so expensive now and how there's not that many masons anymore and intricate fireplaces don't really exist anymore and new builds.

• 52:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The same with like even like putting wallpaper on like we found a great company who does it, but like it is like a lost art.

• 52:12Corinne Vien?

  It was wallpaper?

• 52:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, to install it properly.

• 52:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Oh, you know what I miss is the people who do the like stencils on doors like the your mom?

• 52:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not on doors, but she used to stencil our whole like my bedroom growing up was stenciled. She painted it herself.

• 52:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. My dad does stencil. Dude, I'm talking about like when you went into like office buildings or like the dentist or like your like the university where it's like on the door. It says like professor, blah, blah, blah. And it's someone actually like

• 52:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, like carving this. Yeah.

• 52:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that is a crazy skill.

• 52:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Machines do that.

• 52:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, now you just get

• 52:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little plaque.

• 52:49Corinne Vien?

  It printed as a decal.

• 52:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When I worked at Warner Brothers for the like my first job out of college, I was a administrative assistant to the assistant to the assistant, basically. At Warner Brothers main TV like production uh office. And it was a one year job. So like everyone who were like the admins assistants, it was a one year position to like help launch your career and like help you.

• 53:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you oversaw like so many different aspects of production. But they basically, one of the perks was if you do well, at the end of your year, you got a plaque for with your name on it that said like Warner Brothers. And I'm like, wait, but like you're literally supposed to be leaving the job after that year, but I still have the plaque.

• 53:31Corinne Vien?

  It is funny because like you could order yourself a plaque too. This is more

• 53:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it was like a Warner Brothers specific. It had like the logo and everything.

• 53:37Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 53:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I didn't have to pay for it.

• 53:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and you didn't have to pay. What was the stenciling that your mom did in your bedroom?

• 53:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Flowers.

• 53:44Corinne Vien?

  Oh, cute. If I ever have a girl, I have a plan to do like flowers around the closet doors in that one room.

• 53:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll see. We'll see.

• 53:53Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but if you are a Patreon listener, you are about to hear about my haunted grocery store.

• 53:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can't wait. I for one cannot wait. I have been talking it up all episode. And so if you want that, if you're like, I love New England ghost stories and now I need to hear about Corinne's haunted grocery store. You can go join us on Patreon. There's so many bonuses and benefits on Patreon. You get all episodes one week early and ad free. You get one bonus episode every month. You get access to Campfire Stories, which is, we meet every single week, once a week, for like a Zoom session where you can tell your ghost stories live. We have witch classes, we have book club. We have so many perks there that people who do like business review of Patreon are like, wow, you do more than most creators do. So it's worth your money. Yeah. Yeah. But if you don't, totally fine. No worries.

• 54:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have all this free content here. It doesn't change your experience. You get to have this as well. Join us over there and watch us on YouTube, rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts. And then make sure you tell all of your friends, all of your family, the grocery store clerk, the random stranger on a bus, tell them about our podcast. Following your car. Just tell them all. And thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. We're so grateful for you and we're so grateful for all of you. We love you. And we will see you on the other side.

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