From West Point to Ranger Regiment | Hailey Gibbons | Ep. 391

In this episode, Haley Gibbons, Army Ranger, shares her unique journey from West Point to the Ranger Regiment. She discusses the challenges and triumphs she faced in a male-dominated environment, her experiences in Ranger School, and the importance of logistics in military operations. Haley also reflects on her transition to civilian life, her work in the tech industry, and her commitment to mentorship through her organization, Serv. Throughout the conversation, she emphasizes the significance of authenticity, resilience, and the power of community in achieving one's goals. Find Hailey here: https://www.instagram.com/hg_leadtheway/ https://www.team-srv.com/ https://www.tiktok.com/@hg_leadtheway?lang=en Today's Sponsors: Wild Alaskan Company⬇️ https://wildalaskan.com/HOUSE Get $35 off your first order! GhostBed⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 25% off! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics... JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouse To help support the show and for all bonus content including: -live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video -early access to shows -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Support the show here:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse ___________________________________________________ Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured __________________________________ Jack Murphy's new book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/ —————————————————————— Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️ https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouse Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Dave’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 SubReddit: ⬇️ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/ Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here:⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241 The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links):⬇️ https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/ Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Introduction to Haley Gibbons 02:50 Haley's Journey to West Point 05:54 Life at West Point 09:07 Transitioning to Army Service 12:07 Ranger School Aspirations 15:05 Experiences in Ranger School 18:04 Company Command Insights 21:03 Joining the Ranger Regiment 26:39 Challenges and Triumphs in the Army 29:36 Life After the Army 32:53 Starting Serve and Mentorship 35:48 Balancing Identity and Purpose 38:49 Final Thoughts and Advice Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:04Speaker 02

  The Team House with your hosts, Jack Murphy and David Park.

• 1:16Jack Murphy?

  Hello, folks. Welcome to episode 391 of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy, here with tonight's guest, Haley Gibbons. We're really excited to have on the show first female Army Ranger. As I was describing to Haley before the show, we didn't even have them when I was in. That's how old I am. So this is a new thing. We're all adapting. But no, in all seriousness, I'm really excited to have Haley on the show today. She went to West Point. She served in conventional units. She served in the Ranger Regiment, did all this different stuff, was one of the early, you know, it sounds like one of the first women that attended Ranger School, actually, or went down that pipeline. So Haley, thank you for joining us on the show tonight.

• 2:01Speaker 04

  Of course, I'm excited to be here and excited to get to know you a little bit better and talk about stuff.

• 2:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, absolutely. Um, so let's talk a little bit. I mean, this is a very like, I'm sure we'll talk about it, but this is like a very, um, I mean, let's face it, it's an unconventional path for a woman to take in our society even today. And I'm just kind of curious, what was it that sort of led you towards military service and in an elite unit at that? What was it about you that kind of, or your life that sort of led you in that direction?

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, so very, very different, very unique. I mean, not that a lot of women identified to this story, kind of. I am the youngest of three daughters. I was born and raised in Bellingham, Washington. Not familiar with military really at all growing up. And when it came time to figure out what college I wanted to go to, I was flipping through those like big college books. And my middle sister, who's a brainiac, she's an aeronautical engineer, astronautical engineer, just like insanely smart. I was more of the jock of the family. She was, I like saw West Point and I was like, oh, this is so cool. They get a workout every day. I want to go. I want to get six pack. This is going to be awesome.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  And my sister, she was like, Haley, you won't be able to get in. And just like many youngest siblings, many women with chips on their shoulder, that's all motivation I needed to apply. With the support of my parents, they were like shocked, but my dad was like, let's go. This is awesome. I'm here to support it. So, it was the only college I applied to, which is very, Lindsay Danilak, who you talked to, that this is kind of the same story. So, very odd, but got in and went to West Point.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  It was definitely a culture shock. I called a command sergeant major sir. So that was like the first time I was really screamed at. I'll never forget it. But I, I loved it. I loved the physicality of it. I loved the team, uh, team aspect of the military. Cause growing up, I played competitive soccer, basketball, trap.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  Have always been on a team, so falling into that in my college years is actually perfect for me. Um, and I loved it.

• 4:21Jack Murphy?

  Hmm. And so West Point, if I recall correctly, I I was enlisted NUG. There's a mandatory like engineering degree.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  The easiest ones. Um, there's like, uh, nuclear engineering, structural engineering, and I chose systems engineering. Which it's kind of like operations and that kind of fits how my brain works. Uh, I commissioned as a logistician, which the systems background really helped. Um, and my degree was business, so very general. Um, but one thing I knew I wanted to have out after the army was to have options. And that was like another thing, um, a motivating thing that I wanted to go to West Point for was to know that I would have options. And like the West Point network is like top of the line, best of the best.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  Once you're in the civilian world, so, um, I kind of had a little bit of foresight, I guess, in choosing that path. But, um, it was business and system engineering.

• 5:20Jack Murphy?

  And two sports are mandatory, right?

• 5:25Speaker 04

  A sport, I think.

• 5:26Jack Murphy?

  A sport, okay.

• 5:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, um, like I said, I was an athlete, always have been, still am. Um, and during our summer training, there was a thing called open athletics. So during our like basic training, BEAST, I don't know what the acronym stands for, um, but they would call it BEAST. You were allowed to go like play football with the football team and all the recruits. Go play basketball with the basketball team and all the recruits. And as a soccer player, I went to the soccer team with the soccer girls. And, um, I I'm fast, I I have a motor, I outwork most, most people. And when we were doing the conditioning drills, the soccer coach was like pulled me aside and she was like, Haley, I know you're not a recruit,

• 6:14Speaker 04

  but if you keep pushing these girls like you did, um, there's a spot for you on the team. So I was able to walk onto the soccer team freshman year. I did get kicked off at the end of that year, but that's okay. Later on, I joined the cheer team with my best friend Jasmine. So the last two years I cheered. For West Point, so I got to travel to all the games. We were basically like celebrities. It was awesome. Falling around the football team. We would go to the Pentagon, cheer for all the Pentagon people. It was very cool, very unique also. Not a lot of people know that the Army team has cheerleaders.

• 6:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, no, I didn't know that.

• 6:55Jack Murphy?

  A- any funny stories about West Point, about getting demerits or any other funny stuff that happened during your time there?

• 7:03Speaker 04

  So, not really funny. Kind of

• 7:06Jack Murphy?

  In retrospect.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  So, one of the reasons why I got kicked off the soccer team was I got in trouble end of freshman year. It was for something academic. I didn't cite a paper properly. And when I was confronted with it, I fully admitted it. I was like, yeah, I used that person's map overlay for my PowerPoint. And I, I got in trouble. I had to do a like big board. And end of freshman year, I was deemed a six-month turnback. So, all throughout West Point, I had that just like looming over me. And I didn't even tell my parents. So, I was just like suffering in silence. But I was damned if I wasn't going to graduate with my class, because half the reason that you go to West Point

• 7:53Speaker 04

  is to throw your hat in the air. Like this photo right there, like you need that photo. And so I was like, I'm not gonna not get that photo.

• 8:00Jack Murphy?

  Wha- what is that term, six-month throwback? What does that mean?

• 8:04Speaker 04

  So, it means you have to stay at West Point for six more months after your class graduates. It's like turnback almost, or like super senior. And I was, I, I was embarrassed. I was ashamed. It like wasn't who I identified as, like as a December grad. And so I worked so hard the next three years to get reinstated with my class and I did a bunch of stuff. And it all kind of worked out because that's when I found out I was really good at doing like tactical things. Um, I joined the Sandhurst team to kind of brown nose to my like NCOs that were in charge of me, the major, that was my tac.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  I, I, and Sandhurst is like a military competition that you do, uh, with a bunch of colleges. The Sandhurst College over in England comes over and it's like a weekend long competition. You're rucking, you're shooting, you're one rope bridging, you're land napping, all this stuff. And, and that was like my first real, uh, like competitiveness towards military things. Um, and I was successful at it. So, um, that's kind of like my, uh, trouble story. But, um, not very funny, but it, it helped identify some skill sets that definitely helped me later on in life.

• 9:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, definitely. I mean, it teaching you some of the perseverance that you needed later on, um, for sure.

• 9:30Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 9:31Jack Murphy?

  Um, so graduate from West Point and then, uh, what's the next stop for you?

• 9:40Speaker 04

  So I graduated from West Point and I commissioned as a transportation officer. Uh, I was very logistic system minded and that was my first choice. I was so excited. And when you commission as a transportation officer, you go down to Fort Lee. I commissioned in 2014 and that was before women were allowed in combat arms. If I was allowed to go to combat, a combat arms branch, I probably would have done infantry. Just because I found great success in tactics, physically fit. I was ranked very high in our class physically and militarily, academically. Not so much, but that's okay. Um, but, uh,

• 10:18Jack Murphy?

  Ranger material.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  What was that?

• 10:21Jack Murphy?

  Ranger material.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. A tough ranger, strong ranger, not the smart one. But I um went to Fort Lee and that's where the logistics schoolhouse is and that's where I learned all about being a transportation officer, which was really cool. And I had one of my best friends there with me. Um, and that was in the uh summer of 2014 and that's kind of right around when women were allowed to go to Ranger School. Um, and of course, I I wanted to go. I I knew I could. I always like looked upon the Ranger tab as something that like I knew I could have and I knew I could achieve. And I wanted that recognition. I wanted like when you walk in a door, people see that tab and they're

• 11:07Speaker 04

  like, okay, awesome. Um, and we like Fort Lee, they put together like a pre Ranger P T situation in the morning. So I I went, I tried out for it. I got a slot. And so every morning I would be doing like hard P T with all the guys that wanted to go to Ranger School. So out of um Transportation Bullock. At the end of the day, none of us got slots. We would have to go to our units. Um, and then so after six months at Fort Lee, I went down to Fort Hood um and served in the forty nine Transportation Battalion in a Expeditionary System at Command. So that's where I was and that's kind of where

• 11:50Speaker 04

  I got my first slot or uh try at Ranger School.

• 11:55Jack Murphy?

  Mm hmm. And I what what was so twenty fifteen, I mean, ten years ago was early on as far as this going on. I mean, what was that sort of that process like for you?

• 12:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, it was interesting. I mean, I was a a dumb clueless lieutenant. I had no idea about what a school's N C O was, what an A T A R slot is. So I I did a dumb thing and my friend uh was like, oh, Haley, you're having trouble? Just email the the guy in charge of M C O E at Fort Benning. And M C O E is Maneuvered Center of Excellence, which is like the main command at Fort Benning. So. Butterbar Haley emails the three star general at MCOE. And I'm like, hey, sir. I'm trying to get a slot at Ranger School.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  And luckily, General Miller is really good friends with my best friend's dad. So I didn't get too much in trouble from General Miller. My command team, on the other hand, if if they could take me out back and like beat me, they would have like it was in looking back on it, I am mortified that I did that. I am, I still have the emails, just as a reminder to stay humble and don't do dumb things like, oh, my God. Um, and then I had to wait a few months. I got a a normal slot through our school's NCO. And I was with the first way to go to ARTAC.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  So that in 2015, women had to go to ARTAC Ranger Training Assessment Course. I believe it's the pre Ranger course at Fort Benning put on by the National Guard. And so I was there with my best friend Jasmine and they hate Christ. So we were the first women to go through ARTAC. Unfortunately, the the like third or second day, I got a really bad concussion. And med dropped. Um, but Shay Hager, she was one that actually found me unconscious. And she was also my platoon leader at West Point. So it was all very like kismet almost. Um.

• 14:07Jack Murphy?

  What what happened? Did you fall off an obstacle on the Oak course or something?

• 14:12Speaker 04

  So I I wish it was that um valiant. I fell off my bunk bed.

• 14:17Jack Murphy?

  Oh, my God.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  I know I had a a large, those like PX shower shoes that you get that are just like rubber and they were like five sizes too big. I was wearing them. I was trying to climb up to the top bunk and the shoe slipped. I tried to grab and I smacked my head on the um, I think it was the opposite bed or the floor. I don't, it was terrible, embarrassing, but um. Everything happens for a reason.

• 14:45Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, geez, I'm sorry to hear that. That's crazy. Um, so yeah, that's, that's again, another setback, something that you kind of had to like, not start all over again, but it kind of feels like that at the time. Um, I say that as a, as a Ranger School recycle myself.

• 15:03Jack Murphy?

  So you, what, what, you went back to your transport unit at that point?

• 15:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I went back to Fort Hood and a lot of, as, as most people in the military, they suffer from like mental health issues, depression. And looking back on it, I now recognize that that is like what I was suffering with. Like after this like big loss, definitely in a dark spot. And that was kind of the same back at West Point after I got in trouble. Um, but I just kept my head down and I, I was just ready to get out of Fort Hood. So, um, I survived my lieutenant years. I performed well. Um, but I wanted to get out of Fort Hood, so I was either gonna try out for a cultural support team, uh, person or get to captain's career course, whatever got me out of Fort

• 15:54Speaker 04

  um, the earliest. And that was going to captain's career course. So I spent about, um, two more years at Fort Hood, uh, was in a movement control team. It's like a very weird first unit to be in. It's like 20 people and you do a bunch of, I was like in charge of an airport at once and then the railhead the other day. So it's a lot of, yeah, it's a lot of weird first assignments and a weird first look at the military. I had no idea what a brigade, um, combat team was really or like how they fit. It was like very weird in the logistics world for me, um, to like grasp the big army.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  And, and I really had no idea about Ranger Regiment at the time either, but, um, I finished my time at Fort Hood. I go back to Fort Lee. I do six months of captain's career course and then I go to Korea. And at that time, it was about year four in the, um, my army contract. And had a great time in Korea. I was a, uh, what was the job? I was the logistics liaison to the Korean Army. So I got to work directly with the Korean Army headquarters. And I was, um, at Camp Youngin at, which is like a very small detachment. And I got to live in the city. Um, I was in charge of all the people there. I got to travel a bunch. I was like fully immersed in the Korean culture.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  So it was a, an amazing experience, one that I like. When I found out I was going to Korea, I cried. I was like, I can't go to Korea. But it was, it was definitely awesome and a, a great year. And then I, uh, went to Fort Lewis after that. And I was like, this is perfect. I'm from Washington. I'll get out of my, uh, I'll get out of the army at five years, uh, in my home state. Like it couldn't be more perfect.

• 17:42Jack Murphy?

  So yeah, th- this was sort of like a big decision point for you then.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And, um, all along, I, I, I was like, I can't wait to get out of the army. This is gonna be amazing. The minute my feet like in processed, uh,

• 18:00Speaker 04

  Second Brigade Support Battalion in two-two, I was like, here's my refrad, frad paperwork. Take it, please. And my, uh, refrad, so refrad is request from active duty. And since I completed my five years, I was able to get out and go do whatever I wanted. I, um, I submitted the packet. I had my like ETS leave-in. I was doing hiring our heroes and had like a Nike internship lined up down in Beaverton, Oregon. So it was gonna be awesome. But, um, when my refrad paperwork was processing, they were like, okay Haley, go up to the brigade, um, headquarters and go help out the fore shop up there.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  We'll get someone else who needs a KD, uh, like KD time in the BSP. And so I was like, okay, sure. And so I go up to the, um, Brigade staff and that's where I met my, like, one of my favorite people. Major Gillian Burke. She was the Brigade S4, a West Point grad, just a fierce of a leader and just amazing woman. So intelligent. And this is like the first time I ever had a mentor in the Army. Which is wild, like five years in, never really had a mentor. Granted, I don't think I like sought hard enough for one. But I didn't know the importance of mentorship then.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  And she told me, Haley, are you sure you don't want to stay in? Like, we need someone to take company command of this FSC. Like, they're hurting and we need someone. And I'm like, yes, ma'am, I'm good. I don't want to do it. But I just kept seeing how important she made logistics in a brigade operation. Like, she would walk into the S3, like, conference room. Everyone would stop and look at Major Burke and look, okay, Jill, what are we doing? Which is rare for someone, for a brigade staff to look at a logistician for the answers. But she was just brilliant at her job. She knew exactly what needed to be done. She knew where to get all the

• 20:04Speaker 04

  resources and how to connect them and how to, like, create the lethality and the execution needed for the commander's end state. So it was just very cool to see. And I was like, dang, maybe I do want to stay in. Like, she's badass. This is awesome. And so I, I remember I was running one day and I picked up my cellphone while I was running and I called her and I'm like, ma'am, I think I want to stay in. And she was like, this is awesome. So even though my packet was already approved to, with HQDA, I already had my out date. I pulled it and that's when things kind of changed for me, for the better, I'd say.

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• 26:01Jack Murphy?

  Do you think some of the like, kind of like, push-pull with you personally at the time, that it had something to do with, in the back of your mind, you wanted to sort of be like the G.I. Jane, but those avenues weren't totally open? Or like you said, like, maybe if you had a mentor that came from that world, maybe it would be a little bit different?

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. I wouldn't say like, I wanted to be the G.I. Jane. I just know I hadn't reached my full potential.

• 26:31Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  And I wasn't brave enough at the time to like, speak it, or to like, create that space for myself to grow in. I just kind of took what was handed to me and was like, okay, yeah, let's, whatever, we'll make the best of the situation, grow where you're planted. But I didn't really...

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Uh, seek the, the potential that I knew I could like do. And I would always, like I said, I, I would look at the Ranger tab and I would always be envious of it. Because you walk into a room and you get that instant credibility. And then when I went and took a company command, all the fellow, all my like other company commanders, they were all lieutenants in Ranger Regiment. And so they had that scroll. And I was like, wait, what's that? And they're like, Haley, you're an idiot. It's seventy fifth Ranger Regiment, da, da, da, da, da. We're the coolest because we were lieutenants there, like get with the picture. Um, and then that's kind of like when I, I saw that and I was like, oh no, that's what I want. I want people to like, know that I can do something.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  And as, um, as superficial as it is, I mean, I have a Ranger tab right above me. Like, um, as superficial as those like visual markers are, they do carry such weight.

• 27:52Jack Murphy?

  It represented the thing that you wanted to do in the army all along, right?

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 27:59Jack Murphy?

  So first you gotta go and do, uh, company command time?

• 28:04Jack Murphy?

  So what, what was that like?

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Oh, um, company command, everyone says it's the best job in the army. And I, I think they are lying. I definitely think they're lying. I, um, I, I learned a lot about myself. I learned how I didn't want to lead and I learned that there's always room for growth. Um, I was a company commander of a forward support company in an infantry battalion in a striker brigade combat team. So my, um, my company was always moving. There was like never a, a like maintenance thing that wasn't happening, fuel thing that wasn't happening. We were always running and gunning and helping to support our, our guys. And so it was, or our team, it was, um, it was an awesome job and like very like,

• 28:52Speaker 04

  we were in the, the weeds of it. Um, but I, I learned so much about myself and, and I'm not really that proud of how I, um, like looking back on it, I, I definitely like Haley, you could have done a lot better. Um, you could have been that leader that they needed, but, um, uh, I, I just didn't know any, any better, I think. Uh, I definitely yelled a fair share. Oh, I'm so sorry.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  So sorry about that.

• 29:24Jack Murphy?

  That's alright.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Uh, I, um, one second.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  I, even during my, um, change of command, like getting out of company command, my, my battalion commander was like, "Yeah, Haley, she can, um, she can really, uh, I don't want to say yell at people." I forget what he said. He said it way more eloquently, but yeah.

• 29:55Jack Murphy?

  A non-CA herself.

• 29:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and instead of, um, leading the way I wanted to, I, I was just kind of fighting, fighting for, um, fighting for air at that point. Um, and I was being selfish too, because I, I knew early on in my company command time that I wanted to go to Ranger Regiment, wanted to go to Ranger School. Um, whether or not I got selected for Ranger Regiment, I was still gonna go to Ranger School, um, just to kind of prove to myself that I can do it. But, um, company command, you learn so much about yourself and you try your best to support your soldiers. Um, it's, in company command, if you're not an empathetic leader, like, you're, you're not

• 30:38Speaker 04

  doing, doing it right. The, because you're leading your soldiers, it's their lives, whether or not you're deployed in a combat zone, or just in garrison. And it like, it, it was just so hard, especially like having to say no, when a soldier wanted to go to their grandma's funeral. I was like, "I can't leave for them, I'm so sorry." And like, all I wanted to do was like, buy the plane ticket for them to go. So, as, um, as a very empathetic person, it was very hard for me.

• 31:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, I can see that. Um, long days. And did you, you do, uh, did you deploy with that unit?

• 31:16Speaker 04

  No, we did, uh, not deploy, no.

• 31:19Jack Murphy?

  Uh, but you, you're just busy like JRX and all those kinds of exercises?

• 31:24Speaker 04

  NTC, JRTC. We planned, um, two Pacific Pathway missions, and that was really cool. Um, dealing with like foreign nations, coordinating all that supply stuff and logistics, that was a very cool, uh, uh, thing that I got to do, but no, I didn't deploy.

• 31:42Jack Murphy?

  Alright, so on that note, biggest lesson from company command time, what would you want to tell your younger self?

• 31:50Speaker 04

  Be patient.

• 31:53Jack Murphy?

  Tactical patience.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 31:59Jack Murphy?

  So as your company command time winds down, it sounds like it was probably a bit of a relief after, you know, 18 hour days for a couple of years, but you had wanted to go to Ranger School all along, but now you also have this, you know, idea about going to the 75th Ranger Regiment at the same time. Sort of what was like the next step for you, like going to Ranger School and RASP?

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I luckily I had Major Gillian Burke and then my Brigade Commander at the time Colonel Jonathan Chung. They I told them my idea during a counseling and they're like, absolutely Haley, if you don't go, we will be so disappointed in you. And I'm like, say you're going to be disappointed in me and I'll do anything. So I'm like, okay, I'm absolutely going. And I got my Battalion Commander's buy-in also, and he was awesome. I had some great leaders, but it was I had a phone interview with the Regimental

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Escort and that went well. And he was like, okay, submit your packet. It'll go through the process. If it gets approved, then you're you have a slot at Regimental Selection. And so I complete the packet. It's this big packet. You have to do all the stuff and then you have to do like a PT test, do all these things, submitted it. And then I heard back like a couple of weeks later, I think, and I was given a slot and it was in early September and my company, we were at in NTC right up until then. So I had to leave NTC early to go to Regimental Selection. So it was very interesting.

• 33:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, no train up for that. Go.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  No, I mean, I was doing pushups behind the field kitchen. So it was, it was great.

• 33:53Jack Murphy?

  So the Ranger Assessment and Selection Program, I believe it's RASP 2 that the officers go to. At that time, were there any women serving in the Ranger Regiment? Like, what year was this?

• 34:09Speaker 04

  This was 2020.

• 34:10Jack Murphy?

  Okay.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  And there were the regimental psychologist, she, a woman, also West Point grad, the regimental S2, a woman, and then there was an NCO in the intelligence battalion. That she hadn't gone to Ranger School yet, but she was serving in the Army.

• 34:37Jack Murphy?

  That's the awesome thing about the Ranger Regiment is that, you know, even the cooks have Ranger tabs and tan berets because they went to the same selection course you did.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that was another thing that kind of drew me to Ranger Regiment because I think about, like, Special Forces being a Green Beret, but if, if I, like, you go to the group support battalion and you're not a part of the, like, you don't wear the Green Beret, and I was like, I want to wear the tan beret. I will be, I want to be a Ranger. I don't want to just be support to Ranger Regiment. So that was one of the cool things about it. And I remember my friends, they're like, Haley, why do you want to be a Ranger? They're crazy. And I was like, exactly.

• 35:28Jack Murphy?

  Perfect. So, tell us about RASP 2.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  RASP was very interesting. Nothing like RASP 1. God bless those people who suffer and endure all that. I heard all about that in Ranger School, but RASP 2, it is a three-ish week selection process. There's a physical aspect, academic aspect, and a board at the end. Can't, like, give the details of it, but one of the hardest workouts I've ever done, like, one of the hardest, like, 12 hours of my life have been was in RASP 2.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  It was, it was a lot. I was the only woman in the RASP class. There was about 20 of us. And this one instance was really funny. The whole quiet professionals, I didn't really.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Didn't really clock that off the bat. Um, and now I get shit for it for posting online, but that's neither here nor there. Um, but when we were doing one of the first workouts, there was this bigger chief warrant officer. Um, in my squad and we were doing, um, like jumping over the eight foot wall, going up a caving ladder, climbing a rope. Um, uh, dragging dummies and everything or randies. And, uh, we were in last place. There was like three squads. We were in last place and I was like, we can't be in last place. This isn't good. Like you need to be number one. If you're not number one, you're gonna get cut. Um, and so I'm cheering on the, the chief warrant officer trying to get up the caving ladder and he's this guy, the caving ladder's tiny.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  Um, and I'm like, come on, number eight, or I forget his name or what I said. And then one of the, um, Ranger NCOs. Just stone cold, deadpan face. He was like, Ross, you're number eight. This is not cheerleading camp. And I was like, oh my God. I should just go home now. This is mortifying. Like it was, it was awful. And then, um, when we were like finished the event. Uh, we didn't, we, I can't think we came in last for this like little morning PT session, but we were walking back and one of the, my buddies, who I'm still friends with now. He was like, yeah, you know, quiet professionals, don't cheer. Um, and it was just mortifying.

• 37:51Jack Murphy?

  You know, that's because I, I would point out, that's because it's selection and it's supposed to be sort of an individual event. You're being assessed individually. But I, I mean, the thing I do like about the Ranger Regiment is much shit as we all talk about each other, there is a lot of like bro support. Um, you know, you're my boy, Blue, you know, that kind of thing.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and that's one of the things I love about it in like Ranger Regiment, like you are expected to be the best. Um, but. To be the best team, and that's what Ranger Regiment is. It's one of the best teams in the entire world. But to be like a good teammate, you have to be solid yourself. So that's where that like individual aspect comes in. But for me, like my strong team background, like, um, and I was a cheerleader, um, that just my natural personality kind of came out. So, um, I was just being myself, which is I'm glad I was, even though,

• 38:50Speaker 04

  um, the cheerleading camp comment was in my peer evals, but I still made it. So it's okay.

• 38:59Jack Murphy?

  So I, I know you can't get too much into the specifics of, you know, I've heard there's like problem solving events and things like that. And they want to see, will you panic? You know, how do you handle different situations and things? Um, how was it, you know, when you got to the board, um, how did that go at that point? Were you nervous?

• 39:21Speaker 04

  I, I wasn't nervous. Um, the board went very well. I, um, yes, I practiced answering questions. Well, I, I looked up all the little flashcards about board questions. I was prepared, um, but to be confident, you must be prepared. Um, but I walked in, I was proud of how I performed throughout the entire, um, assessment, uh, selection and, uh, I was just honest. I was me. I didn't try to be like a, bro-y version of me or some inauthentic something. Um,

• 40:01Speaker 04

  it was funny. Uh, I like sit down at the, you like walk in, you sit down and they're like, Ranger Gibbons, are you nervous? And I was like, no. And I was like, actually, sir, yes, I am a bit nervous. And then the whole board laughs, but, um, it, uh, it pays to show up authentically as yourself and I'm proud that I was able to do that.

• 40:22Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, they know if you're BSing. Um, and so they, you, you get selected, but there's a caveat to this, of course.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Yes, I um, after the board, they um, they let me know that you are selected for service in seventy-fifth Ranger Regiment as a conditional hire. You need to pass Ranger School before you are allowed to come serve in Ranger Regiment. Um, and during the board, I, I said, um, that's one of my weaknesses. I don't, I'm not coming in here with a Ranger tab. I'm not coming in here with a deployment patch. I'm coming in here just as myself and my like expertise, knowledge with logistics. That's really all I have. Um, and they were like, I like that self-awareness. Um, and so I had the, the sixty-two day Ranger School like beast in front of me after that.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  So, um, I finish up RASP, I pack all my things up, I, I leave a couple toenails behind, and I go back to Fort Lewis to train for a few months. Um, I, I graduate, or I, RASP was done in September, and then I get a slot in December to go to, um, seventy-fifth Pre-Ranger Course, so.

• 41:38Jack Murphy?

  That's lots of fun, by the way.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  What was that?

• 41:42Jack Murphy?

  The seventy-fifth Pre-Ranger Course is lots of fun.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  It's amazing. It's so fun. I, uh, uh, i- i- in all, um, all jokes aside, it was, it was great. Living in the barracks for like three extra days, having to shave my head earlier, that wasn't fun. But, um, I show up to, uh, Fort Benning with my little duffel bags and all my paperwork, and they're like, and I shaved my head the day before. I show up and the, one of the, and you're just standing in line with all your things and you're all excited and nervous. And then, um, one of the NCOs comes over and he's like, Ranger Gibbons. I'm like, Roger Sergeant. Um, he's like, your blood work's wrong. And I was like, what?

• 42:26Speaker 04

  And so they're like, yeah, we're gonna have to drop you from this Pre-Ranger Course unless you can get your blood work done. So I like grab my paperwork, I go to the on-post hospital, and I, I try my darndest to get that blood work done on Sunday, but it didn't happen. So I have to wait three more weeks, and then I go through the Pre-Ranger Course. And, um, so I shaved my head three weeks early, but, oh well. Um.

• 42:52Jack Murphy?

  You've got to hang out at Fort Benning for three weeks. Come on.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  You know, and it's a great place, so.

• 42:58Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, wonderful.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  But, um, Pre-Ranger was awesome. Any, if anyone is trying to go to Ranger School, go to a Pre-Ranger course. Um, most installations offer them, but if you can get an ATAR slot to 75th CERT, you will be successful at Ranger School. They teach you and prepare you so well. Um, you have to sleep in the field a few extra days. You're like being pushed and learning everything, but it's, it was so awesome. And one of, I think, one of the best, uh, things coming out of CERT and going right into Ranger School was all the dudes that I just went through CERT with, um, went with me to Ranger School. And I, excuse me, dudes. And then there was another woman who went

• 43:42Speaker 04

  to 275. Um, so I did have a, a Ranger Woman Battle Buddy with me. Um, we were both in our 30s hanging out with a bunch of 18, 20-year-olds. So it was, it was very funny.

• 43:55Jack Murphy?

  And I, I should point out, I know that you know this Haley, but just there's maybe young women or young men watching this, thinking about becoming a Ranger. Uh, if you're an officer, you have to go and be Ranger Tabbed before you can serve in the Ranger Regiment. If you're enlisted, you will go to RASP 1 and serve some time in the Ranger Regiment, couple of years, go to Ranger School, come back, and then get a Team Leader, Squad Leader position, and so on and so forth. Um, just wanted to point that out to some of the young folks that are listening to this.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and that's awesome because like all the guys, um, that, uh, the other Ranger Woman and myself were with, like, we were all in the same boat, kind of. We were all just as excited. Um, like, this was our, like, first shot getting to go to Ranger School, so everyone, well, my second, um, everyone was, uh, just very excited. And, um, having all those Ranger Buddies with you going into Ranger School, there's a sense of, um, familiarity. You have like 20 Battle Buddies going in there with you. You can kind of like, like,

• 45:06Speaker 04

  help each other out during like Zero Day or all that stuff. So it, that was like one of the best things, um, coming out of Pre-Ranger.

• 45:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, so Pre-Ranger, you're back out at Coal Range, too. You just finished with that.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:22Jack Murphy?

  Now you're going back.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Back at coal range. Yeah, we uh, we had to do a bunch of land nav and one of my, I am so bad at land nav, but um, I practiced a bunch. Um, and, and that's another thing about uh, being in Ranger Regiment, if you don't know something, or if you ask a question, people will like literally stop whatever they are doing and make sure you learn it, you know it well and that you're confident with it. I remember um, this first sergeant that I was out like doing land nav one day and he was there. Um, he was like, you, you seem like you don't know what's going on. And I was like, Roger first sergeant, can you help me? And he's like, yeah. And that was the first time I learned about attack points. And I was like, how did I not know about this in my like last seven years of army?

• 46:07Speaker 04

  So um, yeah, coal range, we did a bunch of land nav team, um, team exercises, platoon tactics, squad tactics, all of that. So we became very comfortable with like being in the field, carrying that weight, um, trying to do squad and platoon tactics.

• 46:29Jack Murphy?

  Well, I'm glad you had fun because my experience was more like, uh, yeah, fuck this place.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:35Jack Murphy?

  But I, I mean, I'm only semi kidding. I mean, yes, you do learn a ton out there. Um, it's hard, but you learn a lot.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And um, I mean, I of course stood out like a sore thumb, being a woman, being like over thirty. So um, of course there's a lot of pressure on me and I definitely, I leaned on the, the guys and I made sure I knew everything going into Ranger School because like I wasn't gonna be like a liability of not knowing squad or platoon tactics. And I wanted to be successful. So it was, it was great.

• 47:11Jack Murphy?

  Uh, that's, that's awesome. Um, and so then you get to Ranger School. Um, so we're at twenty twenty, twenty twenty one around this time? And um, again, do you have any inkling of, of how many women had graduated Ranger School at this point?

• 47:30Speaker 04

  I was the, yeah, I was about a hundred. I was the hundred and second woman to graduate Ranger School.

• 47:37Jack Murphy?

  I mean, this is how far back in time I am. I didn't even realize it was that many. Um.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:43Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we'll talk about the about the regiment, the good old days a little later. But are so going to Ranger School first week is rap week, if I recall right, out at Camp Darby, doing all the physical events and stuff. So now you're you're up and running, you're doing it. And what's going through your mind as they're putting you through your paces?

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Um, I I was very successful rap week. Um, I did the PT test, of course, during the pushups, which is what I was most nervous about. The RI, when I hit like 48, he just kept saying 48, 48, 48, 48. And I'm like, oh. Um, but then finally, when the timer guy was like, five, four, three, he's like, get out Ranger. And so I'd sprint away. Um, but rap week, the things that they don't tell you about is how much standing you will be doing. You're literally just standing on in the bays, on the on the little rocks in the overhang areas,

• 48:42Speaker 04

  just standing there, um, waiting for instruction, waiting to get like smoked, waiting for your next hit time. Um, and so that's what I like wasn't really prepared for. But, um, for everything else, very successful. I crushed the five mile. I'm good at running and I'm great at rucking. Um, I came in like in Ranger School, they tell you, don't run on the ruck, just pass it. But I was like, damn, if I'm here, I might as well like compete. So I run the whole thing and I like I come in like second on the ruck. You don't get a prize for it, you just get a little bit more tired. So I just don't do that if you're going to go to Ranger School. Um, but, uh, yeah, it wasn't that bad.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  And I was there in January, so it was freezing. Um, so you're just standing on these little rocks, just shivering the entire time.

• 49:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, no, I started in January, too. It's terrible. And so I think maybe this would be a good point to talk about like maybe some of the misconceptions that sometimes exist around women going to Ranger School and becoming Rangers. Some of the like, I hate to say common knowledge, what's called an internet comments that women aren't, you know, they that their bones break down when they ruck march. That they don't have enough upper body strength to do pushups or pullups. The all these physical events, but it sounds like you kind of breeze through it. What's the reality of it? Do you need to be a unique physical specimen as a woman to make it through one of these courses?

• 50:21Speaker 04

  Absolutely not. Like, if you know the standards and you train for the standards and to exceed them a bit, like you will be able to pass. If you know, you can Google the 20 boards. If you learn the 20 boards, that's what you're graded on in Ranger School. You'll be able to pass. You just need to show up prepared. The misconceptions and the stereotypes that women can't meet standards is, to me, very laughable.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Because when you go through the gates on day zero, no one cares if you're a woman. My gender did not come up once during Ranger School, except for the one time they made us separate showers.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  No one, no one cared. People looked at me because I was older and had like people management skills. And they looked at me because I could do an offboard in my sleep. Not once did an RI like say anything or treat me differently because I was a woman and none of the, none of my Ranger buddies did either. So the standards are the standards and you either pass them or you don't, whether you're male or female. And people, I get these comments all the time on like TikTok and Instagram. They're like, they lowered the standards for you. They lowered the standards. I'm like, okay, if they lowered them for me, then they lowered them for everyone else too. Because like there is only one standard, the Ranger standard. So it's.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  To me, it's just people who may have a bruised ego, who have never been in those formations, in those schools, past Ranger School, been in Ranger Regiment, been in SFAS selection. It's people who have not been at those rooms and those formations or at the table, who are threatened by a woman's success, or just think that we are less than. And people will think that, and like, I can't change their mind. You can show them the proof, you can read to them the proof you can actually do it, and they will still say, "Oh, the standards were lowered. Oh, you didn't do those pushups." So, and, and I'm just like, go for it. My, my resume speaks for itself, if you will.

• 52:36Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, some of the vitriol that, that, you know, I see female soldiers get online is like, pretty over the top, to say the least. And yeah, I think, I think you're right, that there's a part of it that maybe these are guys that wanted to be in the military, but didn't think they could hack it, or maybe they wanted to go to Ranger School but couldn't. Or maybe even worse, guys that did go to Ranger School, but they feel like, just by the nature of a woman going to it, that it's taking something away from their experience and their Ranger tab, which is a ridiculous way to think of it. You know, at the end of the day, you know, it doesn't matter your skin color, or your gender, or whatever else. I mean, if you met the standard, then you have as much a right to wear the Ranger tab as anyone else.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Exactly. And like, if people did lower the standards, then like, the leaders that are in charge of those formations, they wouldn't want to lead those formations. They wouldn't want to be in charge of Ranger Regiment, because when, when you get a Ranger, like, on target, or assigned to like, a borrowed manpower thing, you know the quality of a soldier that you're getting, and that is a Ranger, someone who is an expert at their job, insanely physically fit, and will get the job done on, like, on time and under budget for you. So, um, e- exactly. It's just people who maybe have a chip on their shoulder, and for all the wrong reasons.

• 54:05Jack Murphy?

  So Derby phase, you said you're kicking ass at pitching op orders. Officers are usually pretty good at that. How's it as you're getting through like your graded patrols? How's it going and how are you kind of dealing with like the stress that what I think the tough part of Ranger School is the day after day, long-term, physical and mental stress that you're under?

• 54:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a lot, but it was nothing I couldn't manage. I'm a pretty durable person, pretty sturdy. There were a few movements in Mountain Phase that sucked. Some guys were crying, but like it wasn't that bad. Everything in Ranger School is very manageable if you just have a don't quit attitude. For my graded patrols, I had PL looks every single time or squad leader looks every single time. And the majority of the time, it was the first PL look, so they would always give me the op board. And like I said, I know the op

• 55:10Speaker 04

  board like the back of my hands and I was able to brief it very well. And because of that, every op board that was written or like briefed in my platoon, I was the one that wrote it. So every person that had a squad leader look or platoon leader look, I was like, okay, give me the stuff. I'm going to do your op board for you. And then I would, we had these like laminated cards with everything. And I was like, here you go. And so they would just read off of that and then their op board, they would get a go check mark on it. So that's one way that I was able to help out the platoon. Yeah, and it was great. My, I never got a no-go. I got goes on every single look. One of my most memorable squad leader or leadership looks was in

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Florida phase, I think it was because in Ranger School you do um a day mission and then a night mission and in each mission you have like first shift and second shift leadership looks for go for um whether or not you get a go at that position and I was the the second shift on the night mission and I but I had my um my first leadership look that morning. So I had two looks in the same day and after the the first person went on the night shift, I was like, thank God, we're we're done, we're gonna go like whatever, I get a chill in the squad, I'll carry the skid coat, whatever. Um but they're like, Gibbons, and I was like,

• 56:42Speaker 04

  fuck. Um and I grab all my stuff, I run to the RIs and um they're like, okay, you're the PL for this night mission, it's an ambush, da da da da da, here's your coordinates, go. And um we I got everyone going, I gave my alpha team leader the the point and we're we're walking, but we ended up walking on the wrong road. And I was like, hey, we're on the wrong road, we need to cut ninety degrees this way and then get on that road and we have thirty minutes to do it um to like get to the ambush site, get everyone set up. And uh we go, we get to the spot and normally you're supposed to like set

• 57:23Speaker 04

  up your like security patrols at like the triangle or whatever. And I was like, everyone just get in a circle, get three sixty, drop your rucks. And then I grabbed three people and like put them on the ambush line or something. It was a shit show, but I I met every criteria.

• 57:39Jack Murphy?

  We like to use the term hasty near ambush, not the term shit show. Thank you.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  Yes, it was a beautiful hasty near ambush and uh it it was great. And everyone was like, what what is going on? What are we doing? Gibbons lost her mind. And I was like, it's gonna be okay, guys. Um and and I got my go, thankfully. Um and it was it was fun, very memorable.

• 58:04Jack Murphy?

  And speaking about the, you know, the, again, the like long-term, um, kind of like stress that your body and that you're under psychologically too. I mean, that, that was the most challenging thing for me, I think, more than any particular event. And like, I'm sorry, but I imagine, and I see you seem like you have a smaller frame than most men. And I was like, I mean, like, not, not that I'm anything special at all, but like, by the time I got to the end of Florida phase, I'm like, dude, my body is like eaten up. Like, what the hell?

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, um, it was interesting. And like, what a good gauge is, is every time you go into DFAC, you have to do six chin ups, and then say Ranger, right after you do the Ranger Creed. And during Florida, like, those chin ups were near impossible for me. I was like, so, like, my upper body was just so deteriorated and just tired. Um, my legs were fine, but, um, those chin ups, I was like, don't look, guys. These are really embarrassing. But, um, it, uh, it, it did take a toll on, on everyone. I, uh, there was someone who, um, uh, one of my Ranger

• 59:13Speaker 04

  buddies, who actually went to Ranger Regiment after me, she, uh, fractured her ankle, but she was like, I'm not gonna go to the medic, because then they'll drop me. So she finished, like, the last week of Florida phase with a fractured ankle, which is just insane.

• 59:32Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  But, uh, it was, it was difficult, definitely towards the end, but, um, it, it was all still manageable. And by that time, you've developed a good relationship with the people in your squad. You've showed them that you are a team player and that you're a team asset. Um, you have strong bonds and trust between each other. So like, whatever slack that may need to get picked up, they're there to do it, as I was to help out, um, people who needed it also.

• 1:00:04Jack Murphy?

  Any other funny Ranger School stories you want to tell before we move on?

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, there was, um, the first movement in Florida phase, I was the RTO. I was the RTO for almost every mission. It was insane. Um, and the RTO has like the radios, ammo, just a heavy, heavy rucksack. It's probably like a hundred plus pounds. Um, and you, you count everyone in like when you're starting the patrol in Florida. And I'm there like counting people in, trying to be like really serious. Like this is great from the swamps, like fuck yeah. And then the RI is standing right next to me and my, the rucksack was so back heavy. Like the minute this-

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• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Second person like walks through. I just slow and my feet are like sunk in to the mud in the swamp. I like can't move and then I just feel myself slowly going back. And so the very start of the first swamp mission, I fully submerged backwards, make this huge splash. The RI is laughing. Everyone's like, damn, Gibbons is down. Um, and I get up, I'm soaking wet. Luckily, I waterproofed the rucksack very well, but um, yeah, that was, that was pretty bad. That was pretty bad.

• 1:03:15Jack Murphy?

  And then, so January class, you would have been graduating towards like the end of February.

• 1:03:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:03:22Jack Murphy?

  What, what did that feel like when you finally pinned to that Ranger tab on?

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  It was awesome. It was awesome. Um, much like the graduation hat toss photo, I just envisioned like the entire time of Ranger school, me standing on Victory Pond with my family and my friends. Um, just so excited. Uh, my dad pinned my tab. Um, my, it, it, it was awesome. And like, you're just, you're frail, but your cheeks are fat as shit. Like my skin was windburned, my lips were chapped, so it looks like I have like-

• 1:03:56Jack Murphy?

  With all the Snickers bars.

• 1:03:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, like I have Viva La Glam MAC lipstick on. Um, but you're just so excited. And then, um, you watch all the Rangers in action stuff and then you finally get to say the Ranger creed and you're just screaming, just so excited. Um, it was, it was an awesome day. It was very cool.

• 1:04:17Jack Murphy?

  So then you go down the road to the regiment and now you got your tab and your scroll and the beret and the whole deal. What's it like showing up at the Ranger Regiment? Like this is the big leagues now, right? This is pretty cool.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, it was awesome. And I was in the logistics cell first off. And the, the team of men in the logistics cell are some of the most professional people I've ever worked with. They are amazing. They have been in Ranger Regiment probably their entire life. So they know the Ranger mission like in and out to a T. So I learned so much. It was so overwhelming and how regiment operates compared to big army night and day. So I had to basically relearn everything from the last seven years, like in a like week period. But it was very cool to instead of being like, okay, I'm planning an NTC mission. Where

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  do the port-a-potties need to go? I'm like planning actual like real life stuff. So it was, it was very cool. Being in the room and just having a team of experts. It was, it was awesome. It was intimidating. In the first month I was there, I had to brief the entire regimental staff and all the battalion commanders. So I was so nervous and I like practiced so much like the night before and everything. And I like rehearsed it on the drive to the, to the conference room. But um, like, practice makes confidence. So I crushed it. And that's kind of how I found a lot of success in Ranger Regiment, just

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  by making sure I knew what I was going to say when I needed to say something. Because in Ranger Regiment, like I said, you're surrounded by the best of the best. And so I needed to prove that like, I'm not just like a strong Ranger, but I know logistics in and out. So it was awesome.

• 1:06:17Jack Murphy?

  One of the big changes, right, is that the regiment's a rapidly deploying unit.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, so um the they rotate who deploys when they deploy and sometimes you're on like a short recall. So that was another very cool problem set like my systems and logistics background got a like got a bit of an exercise there because I was able to uh plan stuff on it like a tight turnaround and everything had to just happen just in time for it to be successful. So that was a very cool problem set and you're dealing with like not just humvees but like massive pieces of equipment and like helping with planes and everything. Um, one real world mission that I did get to help with was um uh Sudan, um, when the

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Ranger Battalion went over there, um, I was able to help coordinate logistics support for that. And so it was like, okay, this is game time. Like, this is awesome. Um, but that was also kind of right when I was getting out.

• 1:07:16Jack Murphy?

  Was that when they a contingency when they had to evacuate the embassy?

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Yeah. So I got to help with that. Um, but that was right when I was also getting out of the military. So it was um, it was chaotic as it is. And then I was like dealing with a bunch of other stuff. But um, the the logistics power that the Ranger Regiment and USAC have is insane. It's very cool.

• 1:07:44Jack Murphy?

  I I would love to, you know, um, talk to you a little bit more in depth about Ranger and Special Ops Logistics because uh I've wanted to have like some of the OG logistics guys from SOCOM, you know, uh, on the show and I I need to make a more of an effort to do that. But tho- those guys and and officers like you are the ones that kind of make everything happen and don't really get any, you know, credit. There's not a lot of visibility for it. Um, but I mean, just like this operation that happened the other day in Venezuela, there's a tremendous amount of logistics and preparation that goes into that and it's stuff that people with bigger foreheads than me have to figure out. Um, what was some of the like the, I mean, if you want to use the real world example of like some of the

• 1:08:28Jack Murphy?

  challenges or some of the training situations that you were in of, you know, some of the challenges that come up when you're a logistician in the Ranger Regiment?

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, i- it's all about um like the mission you're supporting, the resources available and like the needs of that mission and who you're supporting.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  It it all uh it it's chaotic, but you need to make sure you have all the right people at the table to coordinate that, cuz um just like anything, if you're planning a birthday party, um if you don't coordinate getting the candles in, like the big surprise or the big uh culmination of blowing out the candles doesn't happen. So uh it's it it's a lot of um exhaustive double backing, sync matrix, um consumption rates, coordinating with people.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  It it's that's kind of what a logistic officer is really, and when I was um planning or helping out with the Sudan uh mission, you needed to have every contingency thought of. Um and sometimes we didn't, we didn't think that we would need a support for uh we thought that it was just gonna be like, okay, quick mission, great, but it extended a week and then a little bit longer and we're like, okay, we need to get them food, like what if we need to use like this or that, so it's just having um having contingencies upon contingencies ready to go. Um and and like you said, like being a logistic officer is a thankless job.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  If if everything is planned to a T and you did such a good job, like no one cares, you don't get a thank you. Um but if the porta potties aren't there, you're gonna get yelled at. So it's it it's not glamorous, it's not thankful, like you you do it because you like seeing all the pieces line up and it get executed flawlessly. Um and without logistics, like the the people on the front line can't do their job, so it is very cool um in that way also.

• 1:10:34Jack Murphy?

  And I guess this is where your your systems degree came into handy too, because I I mean, I just think back when you're dealing with like hundreds of Rangers on the ground doing uh airfield seizures or operations, whatever it is that you're doing, I mean, like the organization is so paramount to how all of that works, like everything has to work in a sequence from like the logistics to the air assets to everything else, and any one little thing goes haywire and you know, you're gonna end up in mission failure.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  Exactly, and like one of the great things about special operations and Ranger Regiment, like you have experts for everything you just mentioned, like air, you have a like a air NCOIC who has done air missions like for the past twenty years, you have your ammo techs who know exactly what is going on and how much ammo you need for this or that, you know how much, you have your food NCOIC, your chief warrant officer, um, you have, so you're just surrounded by experts, but being like the, um, like the S4, so the logistics officer for Ranger Battalion, it's your job to bring all those experts together, have the intent and the end goal, and then have all those just insanely smart people help

• 1:11:50Speaker 04

  you with the plan. So it's never just a, a, an individual mission, logistics is always like a team, team effort.

• 1:11:58Jack Murphy?

  And so that, that was your next job, being the S4 down at Third Ranger Battalion, which is just across the way from headquarters?

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, um, it was awesome. I had a great team. Um, the NCOIC for the S4 shop, Sergeant Queen, he was probably the best person that I could have worked with then. Um, he had been in Ranger Regiment his entire life. He knew Ranger Regiment, like, um, like, he knew it so well. So I was able to get so much information from him and rely on him and learn from him. Because when you're coming in as a, um, a, a captain who never served in Ranger Regiment before, you literally know nothing. You know some basics, um, but like, I didn't even know how to set up my radios. And I'm like, Sergeant Queen, can

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  you unfuck my radio again? Like, I don't, can you teach me? And so they would like, they, they teach you how to do it, and they, they teach you the right way, they teach you how to do it, the Ranger way. Um, and so that I was thankful for.

• 1:13:04Jack Murphy?

  That's cool.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  Uh, and I, I served under the now, um, RCO, I think Colonel Boho is still the RCO, but he was an awesome leader. Um, loved, loved learning from him, and he was very helpful. The only time that I did, um, encounter some like interpersonal issues was in three seven five and I was able to work with Colonel Boho to like figure it out gracefully and very thankful for him and all the leadership for that. But um, it was a, it was a very cool job.

• 1:13:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I, I wanted to ask you a little bit about that because you know, as I mentioned earlier, I'm kind of like a boomer ranger at this point. Um, I'm, I'm an older guy now and I, it, it's hard to describe to somebody who never went through this experience, including the experience that you had, but like the Ranger Regiment is very much a male oriented organization. It, it is in many ways, it's a sort of male utopia. It's like this sort of like hidden little enclave where guys can be guys and before the women showed up, you could poop with the door open, like all of these, it, it's like the, you know, yeah, very professional, but it also has a bit of a frat sort of vibe to it at times. Um, what was it like for you like integrating into those

• 1:14:21Jack Murphy?

  formations like with all of these dudes, with all of these bros and like were, were you like becoming one of the bros? Was it hard for you to sort of like ingratiate yourself with that culture?

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  You couldn't have said it better. A male utopia of like, like testosterone, workouts, Red Bull, all that is, it's so funny. Um, but what was interesting was in the regimental logistics cell and in three seven five, there were no women locker rooms. No one thought to make a woman locker room when they were building those buildings. Um, and so I like, I showed up and the both teams, they built women's locker rooms for me and it just goes to show that like, Sure, it may be a male utopia. I may not be a male, I'm a woman, but they don't care.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  I'm still a member of the team and they're gonna treat me like with as much respect as they would a dude. Um, and it like meant a lot to me. They like made me this little locker room thing and made sure I was like good to go. Um, so it it was very, um, very kind and it just goes to show that like on the outside, it's a male utopia and everything, but like when you're in it, like they just saw me as like, okay, we have a team member. She's kind of different. We'll adjust for her needs, but like continue mission. Like it wasn't anything crazy. Um. I I didn't act any different than I have or did. Um.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  I didn't try to be like broey Haley. I didn't try to dip. I didn't try to do like all this stuff.

• 1:16:06Jack Murphy?

  Have a can of Copenhagen in the lower lip. Yeah.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, absolutely not. Um. I had my uh hair nice and neat. I would have my little lip gloss on. I would look good. Um, I would, I was professional. Uh, and and I showed up as myself because if if I didn't, I wouldn't be able to be successful there. If I was trying to be a bro, um, and like snagging a zen from a guy, like it wouldn't, um, that's not who I am and I would be like living alive, basically, and I wouldn't be able to be like truly successful and and I was, it was it was great. Everyone, um, everyone treated me with dignity and respect. It was, it was very cool to see. Um.

• 1:16:50Speaker 04

  Like one instance, and I can pinpoint the individual and the time and place, um, that it wasn't okay behavior, but other than that, like every NCO treated me with respect. They were, they were stoked to see a woman. They were welcoming. Um, when Colonel Balco left and then the new brigade or battalion commander came in.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  Um, he just shows up at like one of the change of command planning meetings and he sees me. I'm like sitting there like typing my notes or whatever and he like double takes. He's like, oh, there's a woman.

• 1:17:24Jack Murphy?

  Things have changed here.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it it was really funny. Um, but uh, it was, it was great. As long as you show up as yourself, you'll be successful. Like, don't try to, don't try to be like the bro version of you to get some dude's approval who you don't need because like, we belong in these spaces. Um, and they will, they will make the space at the table for you. They will make you the, the locker rooms. Um, because people in the units in those formations, they, they respect you if you can meet the standards, whether you're a male or a woman.

• 1:17:57Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I, I was gonna say, you can do PT and like, that's the kind of thing that gets you respect in the Ranger Regiment. It's like, it, it, it values strength and endurance, right?

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. And like, like I said, I'll, I'll never be the smartest person in the room, but I, I can run just as well as most of the guys and I can ruck just as well. Can't clean and jerk however much. Um, but also on that note, the, some of the guys in Ranger Regiment are truly freak athletes. They're like clocking it five thirty minute per mile, five mile times. And I'm like, how is that physically possible? It, it, there, it's insane. It is so cool to see people, um, just casually. Um, they're the ones taking out the dip and handing the monster over and just like going at it. It's so cool.

• 1:18:42Jack Murphy?

  Uh, yeah, that's also being, you know, twenty one years old, uh, helps, uh, at that point.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:18:49Jack Murphy?

  So the, the one, the one incident that did happen that, you know, you had to get resolved, are you okay talking about that at all?

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, um, it was, uh, one of my peers actually, um, and they're just sexist through and through. I experienced bad things with them previously, um, at another institution and, um, they just, uh,

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  Were sexist and they they may have not liked that I wasn't friendly with them or something. But um I was like, this is becoming a toxic workplace. And at the time, um, I was going through some like other personal stuff outside of my day job. Um, and I was just like in a really bad space, but I I recognized the poor treatment and behavior. I knew I didn't deserve it. Um, and so I was able to address it. Um, and it, I don't want to say resolved because he still is a sexist person, but like we were able to work it out.

• 1:19:51Jack Murphy?

  Right. I I I I mean, I'd be interested to, again, if you're okay, talking about it, like, how was the situation resolved? And how did you address it with your chain of command?

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. Um, I picked up the phone when I like was at my breaking point. I picked up the phone and I called our battalion XO. And I was like, hey, sir, um, this is happening and uh, it's not okay. And he was like, whoa, Haley, yeah, that is absolutely not okay. Um, would you be willing to talk to Colonel Boho about it? I'm like, absolutely, sir. So I go and I have an office call with Colonel Boho. Um, he hears what I have to say. And he's like, yep, this isn't um, this isn't okay. And he talked with the individual. Um, and the the interactions with that individual after became fine, but I know it's because his boss probably yelled at him.

• 1:20:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, dropped the hammer on him.

• 1:20:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, but um, never did I feel like I couldn't speak up or that I like my issues wouldn't be respected or heard from leadership. Um, and I was, I want to say like the third woman to be in three, seven, five, because uh, there was a platoon leader before me and then a meadow before me and and they've had some issues, but um. At the end of the day, it's also the army and the army will be the army, whether you're in Ranger Regiment, Special Forces or two-two Striker Brigade. So there's assholes everywhere. And I wouldn't pin that interaction on Ranger Regiment, just that individual.

• 1:21:29Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, and I was gonna say, I think it is a positive thing that the institution, the regiment, addressed it immediately like that. Because as you say, there's always gonna be assholes out there. You just hope that the organization does the right thing when they find out about it, right?

• 1:21:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. And like, I'm, I'm no dummy. I know that I was like one of two, one of three women in Ranger Regiment at the time. So everyone knew everything that I was doing. The RCO at the time knew everything that I was doing. And so when my like issue at three seven five happened, like of course, he heard.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  And everything was handled wonderfully. Leadership was very respectful. They were able to help me work through everything.

• 1:22:22Speaker 04

  And Regiment as a whole, like 10 out of 10 professional organization, just the one guy kinda sucked.

• 1:22:30Jack Murphy?

  Excuse me. So I, you kind of winding down your time as an S4, what is it that you're thinking about doing next at this point in your life?

• 1:22:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I, I was at another decision point in my life. I kind of touched on, I was going through some personal stuff. Again, I, I needed help. I was definitely going through some bout of depression or anxiety. I didn't really know what it was, but I went and got help. I was like, I need to talk to like a therapist or something. And I was like, I think I just need a career change. And that's when I recognized, I was like, I don't love the army anymore. I, I am in one of the most elite units. I am one of seven women to ever do so, but I don't love it.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  So I was like, this is a good sign. I am at peace with the decision. It's time to get out. So I, for the second time, dropped my refrad packet and was looking into the tech industry.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  I um used Break Line. They are a really great organization for veterans, uh women, people of color um who are looking for like a career change into the tech industry. Um and they help a lot with uh like elevator speech or pitches, resume help and everything. So I was able to use them um and apply for some jobs. But um the the big ego hit is when you're on an interview call with like a a tech startup who does like some hybrid car, uh AI driving car or whatever. And you're telling them, yeah, I went to Ranger Regiment. And they just like, they're like, what?

• 1:24:20Jack Murphy?

  The what?

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  They don't even look at you. They're looking at a second screen. And you're like, dang, yeah, no one, no one really cares in this industry. So um I looked at defense tech. And um I was like, they know my background. They know like the weight of that accomplishment or of my accomplishments. And it's like, sure, tech may be foreign, but defense industry, I know it like the back of my hand. So I um I got a job at a small defense tech startup because of a guy who I served with in Ranger Regiment. So it's using your network, having those options that I like thought about back at West Point. And um it was a, I didn't love the job. It uh wasn't, wasn't a good fit.

• 1:25:04Speaker 04

  Um and I now work at a bigger tech company um in just like the normal tech industry. And again, I work with uh like the majority of the guys on my team are veterans. So we still have kind of like that Army mentality, team first, we help each other out, we hustle, we stay up late doing slides if need be, uh like staff officer all over again. Um but it's uh, it's great. And so um if anyone's like looking to get into the tech industry, like finds a little sliver of commonality you may have within it, and then just exploit that the best you can. But um it was a, it it a pretty easy transition from Army into tech.

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  And uh I've been very thankful for the people who have helped me along the way. It's been, it's been awesome.

• 1:25:52Jack Murphy?

  Uh what do you do more specifically in the tech industry? First, defense tech and now wider technology. Um is it, is it back to logistics or is it more management?

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it has nothing to do with logistics besides creative problem solving. And like, uh, thank goodness for my logistics background because I feel like it has helped me become like a Swiss Army knife, like being able to solve any problem just by getting the right people to attack it. Um, at the first, uh, tech startup, I was a like customer success person. So it's like, after the tech is sold, you go make sure that they use it and that they renew their license. Um, and for me, that was not a good fit because I was just leaving the military and I was going like onto army bases and working with like NCOs and like S2 officers and like right

• 1:26:48Speaker 04

  back to where I left. Cause I was like, I wanted to get out of the army, but now I'm just wearing a cute outfit in the army. So it was, it was, um, it was interesting, short-lived though. And now I do, uh, go to market strategy for a big tech firm. Um, so again, it's a, it's definitely a lot of problem solving. It's interpersonal skills, bringing together outside partners and like coming up with a creative solution to, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, get more money for the company, but building those relationships so that like they trust our tech, they trust who we are and how we, um, we help them get more money. So it's, it's a very cool job.

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  Um, and my team is just, it, it, it's great. I have like some PJs, um, a JTAC, uh, like a bunch of cool people. Um, and we're just kind of like the veteran crew, just like getting shit done. It's very cool.

• 1:27:47Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that's great. Um, and you also started this, uh, thing with your friend from West Point, I think Jasmine?

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, um, it was, it was interesting. When I was at that first tech startup, I was like, is this it? Is this what people do? Just like work their nine to five and like, that's it? Um, so there was like a big, uh, like void of like purpose, um, helping others and like a greater mission almost. And so Jasmine, who's also getting out of the army she worked for, um, used to saw, she was like the aide de camp to the, the deputy commander there. So she's been in and out of that community quite frequently as well. Um, we decided to start serve SRV, um, because the service was what was lacking in our life.

• 1:28:38Speaker 04

  And, um, it, it's just kind of how we frame it. It's like what you do, it's how you fill your cup. It's how you help others, it's how you help yourself. How do you serve your community? How do you serve you? Um, and we're, we're trying to make it into, to something great. It will be, um, focusing on mentorship and helping, uh, like people get into the tech industry, helping young soldiers, try to figure out their path in the army or military or Navy or whatever. Um, it's-

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  Very cool. And because after the Army, I like just decided to finally become public in social media, even though every cell in my body is like, don't do it, Haley, don't do it. We finally did it, but it's been awesome because the amount of people who reach out to us and they're like, whoa, I didn't know women could be Rangers either. Oh, women can go to Ranger school. And it's, it's just very cool that we can help kind of be the change that we wanted to see in the world, to be the person that we probably needed back when we were lieutenants. But it's been awesome. And one of the, one of the really

• 1:31:44Speaker 04

  cool parts about SERVE is all these women who are trying to like go to SFAS, training up for Ranger school. They have these slots. They're doing it. They're like asking us for help. There's a woman going, Bud's here shortly, and she's going to crush it. She's like six foot tall, jacked. She's awesome. It's just very cool to like be in a community of people like, like chasing greatness almost. So it's awesome.

• 1:32:13Jack Murphy?

  Sharing the dream. Where can people go to find SERVE?

• 1:32:19Speaker 04

  We have a website, team-srv.org. And then we also have an Instagram and TikTok team or serve dot I N G on both.

• 1:32:30Jack Murphy?

  Cool.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  S R dot I N G.

• 1:32:32Jack Murphy?

  And you know, the other thing I wanted to ask you about, you stay, continue to stay quite active. I see on your Instagram, you know, training for an ultra marathon and you're running 12 miles a day. And all this like, I'm like, yeah, this, this girl's crazy. But you, but you enjoy it. You love it, don't you?

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  I do. Um, I, I loved the person that I was when I was training up for regimental selection. I loved having that, like, that end goal looming over me and like something to chase after. And now that I'm a civilian and I don't have like a selection to train up for, I'm like, trying to channel that energy into other athletic endeavors. And it's taken me a while since I've gotten out of the army. To kind of like settle into the, the needs that I need to have to be successful as like Haley, as me. And I've identified that that's like, you need to have a goal, like some athletic goal that you're chasing. You need to stay busy, whether that's doing your day job, posting little TikToks,

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  or like doing your MBA or mentoring people. And another thing was like waking up early and doing PT, especially when you like are working from home. So I wake up and I go to a CrossFit gym so I can interact with people. I can just mix up the energy in my day. But it's been really cool. Last year I trained, I trained for a marathon. I really didn't train. I just kind of ran it and, and I did very well. And now I'm like, okay, let's do an ultra. So that ultra is in April, which I'm excited for. It's a 50K. And then I have, I find out tomorrow if I made the lottery for Leadville 100 this year. So fingers crossed.

• 1:34:18Jack Murphy?

  You know, thi- this is totally just a, a personal observation and some may agree or disagree, but I, I think that like when Rangers leave the regiment and they, they become civilians, they, there, there's like one of two, or, or there's two ways you can go in, both of which are bad. One is to completely abandon your identity as a Ranger and forget about it. The other is to not change or being able to, you know, let go of some of that Ranger identity and become something else. And yeah, I mean, like doing PT, it's like, you know, people get into trouble when they forget who they are. I, I really feel like.

• 1:34:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. And like, I was, I was going through a weird, a weird version of myself when I forgot like what I thrived on for the last 10 years. Like I was sleeping in, I wasn't working out, I wasn't like being on my shit. And luckily, like my husband, he's great. He's like, maybe you should do this. And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna do it. And then I'm like, yeah, actually I will do it. So it's just like having, having a good support system who knows like who you are and what you need is so crucial when you're out of the army. Um, but absolutely. And like, there's the version of me that's HG Lead the Way, Army Ranger, whatever. But then there's also Haley,

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  who's just like super girly into fashion, like bougie as all get out. So it's, um, it's very fun to kind of let those two personalities collide, especially, um, uh, in like the social media eye of literally anyone who looks at my page. So it's, it's very fun.

• 1:35:55Jack Murphy?

  It, it makes some people's heads explode, right? Because they can't like reconcile the two identities, you know, and it's to, to a different, in a different way. I think it's true with like men too. Like if you were a Ranger and you were this tough guy, don't think that you can't go to college and get a graduate degree. Like there's nothing other than a mental barrier. There's nothing stopping you from doing that. And, and I really encourage people like, there, there's not a, um, there's not a contradiction in the two identities.

• 1:36:22Speaker 04

  Exactly, like, um, you can stack me up right next to you and they're like, "Well, he's definitely the Ranger," and no one would think I ever, like, let alone applied to be in the Army or whatever. Um, it's, it's very cool to see the, um, the dimension of people and the, like, the uniqueness that the, um, the dedication, the excellence that Ranger Regiment demands. Um, and it's also very cool to see what people do after, kind of like you said, whether they like fully go into Ranger mode as civilian or like go down a different path. Um, it's, it's very interesting to see.

• 1:37:04Jack Murphy?

  Uh, so as we wrap up, any final, uh, lessons learned or pearls of wisdom or anything else you'd like to, uh, mention?

• 1:37:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, just being yourself in whatever, um, environment you find yourself in. Um, throughout like my entire Army career, there's always been like a huge setback and then just a gritty, head-down mode and then like a big success. So like, no matter where you are in life, just, just keep going. Um, and staying true to yourself will make sure that you are not just successful when you achieve that goal, but that you're happy. Um, and just recognizing that, um, and that you do belong. Even if you don't look like the other people at the table, you, you belong at that table. Um, you, you put in the work and you earned it. So, um, like,

• 1:37:57Speaker 04

  me being an Army Ranger, just like you said, people may not suspect it, but like, I did just the same amount of work as, as, as you and the, my other Rangers, like, to the left and right. So, um, showing up authentically as yourself is, is just as important as, um, meeting the standards and like achieving that goal and everything like that.

• 1:38:18Jack Murphy?

  Where can people find you if they're looking for Haley on the internet professionally with SERV or with your IG or whatever else you want to plug?

• 1:38:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. So both SERV and my pages, we have an Instagram and a TikTok. SERV is S R V dot I N G. And then my stuff is H G Lead the Way. H G Lead the Way is on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. So very exciting. And we're very active on both pages. So if you have any questions or need help with anything, shoot us a DM and we'll, we'll help you with that.

• 1:38:57Jack Murphy?

  That's super cool. Well, thank you, Haley, for doing this interview. You're our first tabbed and scrolled Ranger Woman on the show. And I'll be honest, I asked you to come on the show because of the scroll, not the tab. That's just how, that's how it is. But no, seriously, thank you for doing this. It's been great.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  Of course. And, you know, I hope I'm not the last. So yeah, it's just great. It's an honor to be able to speak with you to talk about my, what I've done and to, to, yeah, just learn a little bit more about everything. So it's been awesome.

• 1:39:33Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that's great. And I hope a lot of the young people out there who are thinking about joining the Ranger Regiment see this and take something away from it. So yeah, thank you again, Haley, and all the rest of you folks out there. We will see you next week. Thank you. Hey, guys. I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses both the Team House Podcast, the Eyes On Podcast, and the High Side News Outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor. The newsletter is going to be once a week. It's going to come into your inbox and you're going to get the most current podcasts on Eyes On and the Team House and whatever's topical or current on the High Side. So it's another

• 1:40:16Jack Murphy?

  way for us to get the information out to you as social media algorithms are pretty iffy and you never really know what you're going to get. So this is a once a week email. It'll slide into your inbox and it will have, you know, the greatest hits of that week. It's really good. Checking it out. The website for it is teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Go there and you enter into your email list or you enter your email into the little thing on the website and you're good to go and that'll be it. So we really appreciate your support and hope you'll consider signing up.

• 1:40:55Speaker 10

  Where's the link?

• 1:40:57Jack Murphy?

  The link will also be down in the description if you're looking for it there. And that's teamhousepodcast.kit, K-I-T, Kilo, India, Tango, dot com.

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