How Wall Street & the FBI Colluded to Destroy Trevor Milton After His Tech Threatened Big Oil

How Wall Street short sellers worked with the media and federal prosecutors to destroy Trevor Milton’s company and put him in jail for life. This is a shocking story. (00:00) The Origins of Milton’s Hydrogen Truck Company Nikola (05:17) What Is a Hydrogen Motor? (08:34) Milton’s Attempt to Displace Oil Companies (13:12) The Problem With America’s Energy Grid (20:32) The Lie That Destroyed Milton’s Life (35:16) How Much Did They Profit From Milton’s Destruction? Trevor Milton has been at the forefront of revolutionizing the transportation industry, particularly in clean energy and zero-emissions vehicles. He was the founder and former CEO of Nikola Corporation. Nikola was the leader and the first to manufacture and produce a hydrogen-electric semi-truck in the United States. Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/TUCKER to claim 50% off & your first month free! PureTalk: Go to https://PureTalk.com/Tucker to make the switch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Tucker Carlson?

  In a lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted, I have never heard anything like what happened to Trevor Milton. You've got to watch this.

• 1:01Tucker Carlson?

  You often hear the phrase miscarriage of justice and it's, we had this pretty amazing dinner last night where you explained exactly what happened to you. And the details are so shocking that I just want to start this by saying I'm really excited for people to hear exactly what happened to you because I think those of us who felt that, you know, this was the most just country in the world will have our preconceptions adjusted. You had a vehicle company. Tell us about the company. What did it do? What did, you started it? What was the product? How did it work?

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Nikola, Nikola was a company I built out of my basement. And a quick pause there just for everybody. By the way, Tucker's dinners are awesome.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  I don't make them. We came here, you know, last night, had dinner with him first. It was such an incredible time to just talk about anything. So thanks for having us. Oh gosh, it was great. I loved it. And it allowed me to really get to know you too. So thanks. That was really cool. Thank you. We so Nicola Nicola was a company I built out of my basement. So a true entrepreneur story. Literally right out of my basement in my house in Salt Lake City is where we started it. We grew it to the point where we are bursting at our seams inside of in our basement. And our whole goal was is to build a, you know, a clean emission truck. And it kind of morphed through the time like we started off as like a natural gas truck. And then we moved it to a to a hydrogen zero emission truck.

• 2:29Tucker Carlson?

  When you say truck, like pickup truck?

• 2:31Speaker 02

  A big semi truck.

• 2:32Tucker Carlson?

  Big. Okay. So the trucks that haul goods across the country.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. The ones you see on the freeways hauling, you know, 80,000 pounds. That was our, because it was the third, I think it was around the third largest polluting industry in America. So the whole point was is to reduce, you know, the amount of the emissions and noise. And it it was also the fact that electric powertrains are so efficient. I just loved them. I grew up on locomotives. My dad was managed the railroad when I was a kid. So I grew up on locomotives and the whole idea was to build a locomotive semi truck. That was like my.

• 3:02Tucker Carlson?

  People may not know that many locomotives are electric.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  They all are. All their their entire powertrain is electric. They have a diesel generator that powers the electric motors, but you you for the torque and the power, you have to have the electric motors.

• 3:17Tucker Carlson?

  It's it's we did a video last summer on the Cybertruck and we hauled 8,000 pounds of dirt in the thing. And if you ever hauled anything in a truck, you know, you can feel the engine strain when you're an electric vehicle.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:29Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm pretty opposed to electric vehicles generally, but for hauling stuff.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:33Tucker Carlson?

  It's beyond. The difference is just crazy.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  One of the best parts is the is the ability to recapture all the energy. That's what I love the most about electric powertrains is that like when you go to hit your brakes, rather than wearing brake pads down, what happens is those motors going to go into reverse and they are able to absorb all that. They become a generator and they start outputting. So say like the Cybertruck's like 400. I don't know if it's a 400 or 800 volt platform. I think it's 400 volt. But anyways, what happens is instead of using 400 volts, now you're charging 400 volts into your batteries. And so with big semi trucks, it makes a huge difference. So I live part of my life up in kind of the. Utah Wyoming area and there's a part of these paths that goes from Park City down to Salt Lake.

• 4:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Imagine if you have an eight hundred or an eighty thousand pound load, you're charging your battery all the way from the top of Park City all the way to the bottom. You're going to have a battery that's twenty, thirty percent charged more when you get to the bottom.

• 4:27Tucker Carlson?

  Just from braking.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Just from exactly regeneration. So you're you're not even braking. You never use your brakes. And that's what's so cool about electric vehicle, like really what it is, is the instant torque and the ability to recover all the lost energy. And that's just something you can't get anywhere else except for that.

• 4:42Tucker Carlson?

  I I strongly agree. Just as an engineering matter, it's it's incredible. So you build this company, it starts electric and then you go into hydrogen.

• 4:55Tucker Carlson?

  Can you give us the non complicated one minute explanation of what that means? What's a hydrogen motor?

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the atmosphere. It's the only energy that is that can never be depleted. So is the reason why I love hydrogen is that it comes from water, you can split, there's, you know, it comes from water, you're able to split it. It's also in the atmosphere.

• 5:14Tucker Carlson?

  H two O.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  H two O hydrogen, exactly two parts to exactly. So what in how this works is how this works is the hydrogen is stored in. You you separate it from the water, you store it. And the hydrogen is then passed through a membrane which creates electricity that electricity is captured through these membranes and delivered to the to the batteries of the vehicle. Now there's inefficiencies with hydrogen, but there's also inefficiencies with electricity on the grid. So if you produce hydrogen on site, it can be as efficient or e or better efficiency than electricity itself. So when a lot of people plug in their their like their cars, they're like, oh my, you know, it's they talk about the efficiency of an electric vehicle like ninety seven percent or ninety two percent. Well, that's great, but it's actually not really that.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  It's it's let's talk about where was that power generated from?

• 6:02Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  It was generated.

• 6:04Tucker Carlson?

  And how did it get there?

• 6:05Speaker 02

  From a solar farm, okay, of twenty two percent efficiency or less. And then transmission lines that take you eight hundred miles to your home through transformers. You've lost another twenty, thirty percent of efficiency over all that entire lifeline. If you factor in how much loss actually happens on a grid. And through transformers and transformers into your home and all this stuff. And so realistically, like if you look at that, the numbers can actually be worse than hydrogen. But people don't want to believe it. They're like, oh, my car's 90, 92% or 97% efficient.

• 6:36Tucker Carlson?

  Once it, once the electricity reaches your

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Once it reach your vehicle. So with hydrogen, the point, the, the, the point is, is that you're producing, hydrogen is so difficult to say, transport. It's not extremely difficult, but it's, it's harder than electricity to transport. So what you do is you, you produce it on site. So you're saving all that efficiency, say from like hydroelectricity or whatever, right? But the whole point is, is that hydrogen can be used over and over and over again. And you don't have to mine any mountains. You don't have to, you don't have to, um, you know, there's no other elements other than just water and electric, water and electricity. That's it to produce hydrogen. So there's good and bad about hydrogen. It does not fix every application. And I've always told people like, I think that like electric vehicles on a car level or make much more sense.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  But hydrogen on a heavy duty level makes more sense. So hydrogen for semi trucks, for trains, for, for the maritime, the, the marine industry, the maritime industry, uh, for ships, for aviation. That's where hydrogen makes all the, all this.

• 7:32Tucker Carlson?

  How expensive is it?

• 7:34Speaker 02

  It's not that expensive, actually. Um, to produce it, you, we call it, you move the decimals. So let's say that your cost of energy is two cents a kilowatt hour, hour. Okay. So let's just say you're two cents a kilowatt. Your hydrogen is $2 a kilogram. So it's actually really cheap and a kilogram is actually about a kilogram on a, on a, is pretty equivalent to, if you were to think about like a gallon of diesel. It's very similar, kind of on energy level, like if, how far a vehicle can go. That's kind of how we, there's a lot of factors into that. So it's not an exact science, but the point is, is that to make it easy is a kilogram of, kilogram of hydrogen is going to get, is going to be very similar to like, you're going to cost compared to a gallon of diesel.

• 8:18Tucker Carlson?

  So just a couple of dumb questions. I, I have a hydrogen powered truck. How do I fill it up?

• 8:22Speaker 02

  You can't right now. And that's a problem. So that's what Nikola was all about was the chicken and the egg. The idea around Nikola, the reason why it went parabolic was it was not just building hydrogen trucks. It was actually supplying the, the egg too. So it's like a cell phone. Your cell phone is worthless without the tower. So, so there, everyone's like, oh, you know, hydrogen, there's no, there's no infrastructure. It's stupid. It's going to cost a hundred billion to develop infrastructure. Well, they spent, you know, hundreds of billions on cell phone towers. Who cares? Infrastructure is like, you know, it's, it usually sticks around for 50 to 100 years.

• 8:52Tucker Carlson?

  You spent over a trillion dollars on the Iraq war.

• 8:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, got a lot out of it.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  We didn't even get our airplanes back. They left them over there.

• 9:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it's now controlled by Iran. So yeah, big win. Um, okay, so you were in the business, not just to building the trucks, but of building the infrastructure to fuel the trucks?

• 9:11Speaker 02

  It was. That was the whole reason of Nikola. It was really an energy play. The point was is to displace the oil companies. That was my, that was my goal and my dream was to, it was to either partner with or displace the oil companies entirely. And I look, I have no problem with, with diesel. I think it's one of the greatest things Americans, America's ever found was diesel. It, it powers everything. It powers, um, you have diesel, literally you have like, um, you have this, it touches your life probably a hundred times a day. I mean, even a piece of plastic has, you know, has petroleum in it, right? There's everything about diesel was, it's the most efficient way of moving American goods for over a hundred years, you know, like it's just the greatest thing America's ever seen.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  But there's also ways you can have both in this world. And that was my, my goal was to, was to become a, like essentially as powerful or as big as like an oil company, but not doing oil, but doing hydrogen. And that was my goal. That was really the idea was to, is to eliminate the emissions on the road, become an, an energy conglomerate and provide energy that's a residual income every month in your life. And that's what I, that's, that was what.

• 10:22Tucker Carlson?

  Is hydrogen produced at plants? They want to produce hydrogen to power a fleet of trucks. Where do I produce it?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would have a plant that you would build and it would be done. There's two different ways of doing it through a proton exchange membrane. They call them PEMs or through electrolysis. So those are the two main methods. And even like Chevron right now produces hydrogen, but it's like 20 something dollars a kilogram. Well, that's, that, that equates to $20 a gallon of diesel. So you'll never compete. The point of hydrogen is, is what you have to do is build it on site. So very similar to data center. We were talking about data centers last night. The amount of energy that they're consuming for AI. And so what do they do? They go build them on right next to the, what do they do? They build them next to the nuclear plant now.

• 11:05Tucker Carlson?

  No, of course.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  So it's the same thing with hydrogen. The only like we, we had, we had the nuclear plant in Arizona was quoting us energy under two cents a, a kilowatt hour at the time. So that they can make it for a penny and a quarter. A nuclear plant can. So what you're talking about is you're talking about if it's two cents a kilowatt hour, you're talking about, I'm sorry, uh, you know, two cents a kilowatt. You're essentially, uh, you're essentially producing hydrogen in about, um, you're producing hydrogen about $2 a kilogram. And then at that point, you're half the cost of diesel, it's game over. The entire world would, everything would go hydrogen and we were on the verge of that. And then that's when the forces that be came after us and decided to completely destroy us. It was, it was the most wild event.

• 11:44Tucker Carlson?

  It takes a lot of energy to produce hydrogen.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Ton, but it's so, but it's okay. Cause we have more energy than we know what to do with it. Realistically we do, cause for instance, um, the grid can only handle so much energy. And so if you look at California, California will actually pay you to take their energy at parts of the day, cause they have too much of it from solar. Solar is fantastic in, in the west coast, um, and even in some other areas. But the problem is, is the sun comes out, it loads the whole grid full of energy and then they have to start dumping it. So what one great thing about hydrogen is, is that you can buffer the grid. You can say, send anything you want to the grid, doesn't matter, cause any excess, we can produce hydrogen. And you, you can suck out hundreds of megawatts of energy from the grid, producing hydrogen and storing it. And then you can store it liquid as well. And then you can transport it from there. And that was the whole idea of hydrogen.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  It's, it's not a one size fits all, but it's a solution to the major problems we have in America.

• 12:37Tucker Carlson?

  How dangerous is it to transport hydrogen?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Not dangerous at all to transport it. Um, most of the time they'll transport it in liquid form and that's the best way to transport it. And it's very inexpensive to liquefy. It's about 50 cents a kilo, a kilogram. So if you're $2 a kilogram and you can liquefy it for 50 cents, now you're 250 a kilogram. And you can, you can move that anywhere in America at, at eight to 16,000 kilograms at a time, just like an oil tanker is.

• 13:02Tucker Carlson?

  And it's as not more dangerous than an oil tanker?

• 13:05Speaker 02

  It's, it's more, I would say it's more dangerous, but it's, it's nothing different than like transporting helium or, or, or any other gas, like natural gas. Like you see, no one knows that natural gas is being transported everywhere all the time. And it's extremely volatile. Hydrogen's hydrogen, the reason why hydrogen can be a little bit dangerous is that the molecule is so tiny. It's the smallest molecule in the, you know, out there. So it gets, the fittings have to be designed perfectly. The lines have to be inspected all the time. But one great thing about hydrogen is, is it's, is how light it is. So if you were to have an accident or something like that, it just goes straight into the atmosphere because of how light it is. Unlike propane where it settles.

• 13:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  The real dangerous stuff is propane. That's like, cause it settles below the air and any sparkle, I mean, everyone doesn't even know. They have a propane tank next to almost everyone's house in a lot of rural areas in America.

• 13:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  That thing.

• 13:55Tucker Carlson?

  We do right here.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  I had, I had eight of them at my cabin. So you have like eight, eight 1,000 gallon propane tanks buried. Imagine if that went off, it would be, there'd be nothing left of like an acre lot or five acre lot.

• 14:07Tucker Carlson?

  I have a lot of propane tanks and I never think about it at all.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  So hydrogen's way safer than propane.

• 14:13Tucker Carlson?

  In fact, I always take my matches and light them off the propane tanks.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 14:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, just kidding.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 14:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, but, no, but your point is a good one. I mean, people who live, you know, far from, anyone in rural America has a lot of propane around. A lot.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Anything new scares people until they realize it's not dangerous.

• 14:33Tucker Carlson?

  Hydrogen is not directly connected to the hydrogen bomb. It's not the same as the hydrogen bomb.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  No, philosophy is similar, but like a little bit different.

• 14:41Tucker Carlson?

  Just kidding. Okay. So you build this company. How does it do?

• 14:46Speaker 02

  It does fantastic for a long, long time. We took this thing, we, we developed our first prototype was called the Nikola one. It was our very first prototype.

• 14:55Tucker Carlson?

  Truck.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Truck, semi truck. We unveiled it in 2019.

• 14:59Tucker Carlson?

  Where'd you build it?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  In Salt Lake City.

• 15:01Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  At our facility. And it's really cool.

• 15:04Tucker Carlson?

  You built the truck at the facility?

• 15:05Speaker 02

  We did. At the facility. We have hundreds of photos of us assembling and it was all fabricated by our teams and people we hired to help us. Like, so like the frame was ours, the suspension was, was, was designed by our team and a group and, and outside engineering partners, but we own the IP on or co-owned. It was just like, it was really cool. So like you think about a Peterbilt or a Kenworth truck, right?

• 15:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  That all, it's taken them decades to design their trucks. We had a, an initial design of our truck that we built. So all the frame was ours, the suspension, how the cab, everything. It was a, it was not a pile of crap, but it was a first prototype. It was like, it was rugged. I mean,

• 15:41Tucker Carlson?

  So you didn't just take a Peterbilt and throw your logo?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  No, no, no. It was entirely from ground up our truck. It was beautiful, but it was like, it, you know, it wasn't ready for production. It was a prototype. And all the parts is where the world didn't know, like the whole, and I'm gonna tell you a little later about like, you know, how the short sellers came after us and the government did. But what they don't know is that truck was actually real and it functioned. And everywhere, they sold this huge lie that this truck was fake, but it was really real. So let's go through that. Like, the suspension was real. The airlines, the air, air rights system was real. The entire frame system was real. The cab was real. The power steering was real. The batteries were real. We had the first 800 volt battery on a, on a, on a semi truck that I knew of in the world. And we tested it. We tested the battery, 800 volts, it worked, everything

• 16:28Speaker 02

  was fine. So the, the e-axles were real. The, the case was real. We had the rotors and stators and gears. Everything was real. All this stuff was real in this truck. And what's crazy is when, you know, later on, we ended up doing a commercial and we're like, oh yeah, go ahead and use it for commercial, no problem. You know, you see like the Chevy Camaro turning into Bumblebee on the Transformers. It's like, you don't think that GM's defrauding everyone because the Camaro becomes Bumblebee. You're like, it's a, it's a, it's a commercial or it's a, or it's a, you know, a movie. Who cares? What it's used for? It was like, yeah, go ahead and use it. Who cares? So they used our truck in a commercial and they rolled it down a hill. All the parts worked on it, could have powered itself if we wanted to. Probably would have taken a month's worth of work to make sure it was safe enough to,

• 17:13Speaker 02

  maybe two months to make sure it was safe enough to drive on, on its own. But the truck functioned. It was real. And this is the, this was the lie that destroyed my life. This was the moment that destroyed my life. Because later on, the short sellers sold it to the government that this truck was fake and it never worked. And that message was so sexy that this truck was rolling down the hill that no one cared about the facts, they cared about this headline, Nikola rolls a truck down a hill. And that's what ended up, that's what ended up, you know, allowing these people, all these evil people to destroy the company, destroy me, make hundreds of millions of dollars in profit. And the government to indict me was this big fat lie by the short sellers that the truck didn't function.

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• 21:18Tucker Carlson?

  The reason I wanted to talk to you and the reason I think your story is amazing and not just another, oh, I was unfairly prosecuted, which I think is a pretty common story in America's prisons, is because of the role of the short sellers. And I think this is one of the most extraordinary things I've ever heard, ever. And so I just want to ask you to explain it in a way that people can understand. So you've made two references to a short seller. What's a short seller?

• 21:44Speaker 02

  So a short seller is a person or a fund that actively bets against you that your stock is going to collapse. So unlike a regular investor that buys shares and they hope that the stock goes up, short sellers buy shares and they force it down. So it's like a, it should be, it should be completely illegal. It should be-

• 22:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it has been for most of the last 100 years from, I think, the depression until right before the last financial crisis, there was something called the uptick rule, which prevented short sellers from selling when the stock was in decline. I think that's correct.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 22:20Tucker Carlson?

  It's been heavily regulated. It's banned in a lot of countries. It's so clearly immoral and bad for a country and for markets that I don't exactly know why we have it, but we've had it since 2007. But anyway, but you're saying that a short seller, as distinct from an investor, makes money on failure?

• 22:40Speaker 02

  And not just failure, but forcing failure. So an investor invests based and then they hope it goes well. They go out and they, you know, they hope it goes well and they hope it does. You say you invest in, in Tesla or somebody else, whatever, you're hoping that they, that they come out and they deliver on their products, right? You hope that they do good and it goes up and you make money and everybody makes money. A short seller is different because they don't just hope it goes down, they force it down. This is where the, this is where it gets really crazy in the stories.

• 23:06Tucker Carlson?

  This is crazy.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  It's never been told before. I've never gone through this.

• 23:10Tucker Carlson?

  Explain how a short seller- This disreputable evil should be illegal brand of anti-investment. How they're working with the US government, the DOJ, like, how could that be? How does that work?

• 23:24Speaker 02

  This is where the Department of Justice has just gone so far off the rails. And it was covered up for a long time. No one knew about it. In my trial, this stuff got exposed. So you can, it's actually available. It's not like a, someone doesn't have to take me, my word for it, but we can, it's easily available through the, through the, anyone can ask for a FOIA on it. Anyone can look at all the materials that was submitted in my trial. What was really crazy is that the short sellers were building a fake report on me and the company prior to us going public. And their entire goal was, okay, the SPAC is going to go crazy. We went public via SPAC. It's a special acquisition company. They knew it was going to go up and what they wanted to do was then force it down. And that's where they make their money. So what they were doing is they were working with the Department of Justice.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  They were actually communicating with the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report, which to me is mind boggling.

• 24:15Tucker Carlson?

  What is a short selling report?

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Short selling report is a, is normally a salacious and false report for the most part. So what they'll do is they'll mix in 5% truth and 95% lies to just scare the market. It's always, some companies, look, there are some bad ones and they've, and like everything, a short seller has gotten it right on a few companies. But majority of what they attack is all complete bull crap. It's just their interpretation to make a company look bad.

• 24:41Tucker Carlson?

  But a short selling report is like a magazine piece. It's like a hit, what we used to call a hit piece against a company.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 24:46Tucker Carlson?

  This company is bad, fraudulent for these reasons.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:50Tucker Carlson?

  And they do research on you.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  They do, and they do, they pay an enormous amount of money to employees. So they get inside information that a lot of time is slanted because they promised the employees money. So they.

• 25:00Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, what?

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Tucker Carlson?

  So if I go to your employees and pay them for inside information on your company and then invest in the company, I go to prison because that's called inside trading.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:11Tucker Carlson?

  But if I go and pay your employees for bad information and bet against your company. That's legal?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  It's still inside, it's still inside trading, but

• 25:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, it is.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  The gov- but the prosecutors looked the other way. We actually presented them.

• 25:26Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, is that really real?

• 25:27Speaker 02

  It's real. So, look, they actually

• 25:29Tucker Carlson?

  Martha Stewart went to prison?

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Yes. This is the, this is why it's so, I get so angry is we presented the Department of Justice, the evidence on, on Hindenburg's, um, essentially insider trading.

• 25:40Tucker Carlson?

  Tell us what Hindenburg is.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Hindenburg was a short seller group that attacked us, that attacked Nikola and me, primarily me, but Nikola.

• 25:47Tucker Carlson?

  And it's run by?

• 25:48Speaker 02

  A guy named Nate Anderson, who was a, who was the head of Hindenburg Research. And his entire goal was is to burn a company of the ground, take out an insurance policy, burn the company to the ground, call the cops on you and then collect on the insurance policy.

• 26:01Tucker Carlson?

  So Nate Anderson, I just looked him up on the internet, never heard of him. This is not my world, but, um, there's like nothing on the guy at all. He was like 39 years old, no real track record as an investor. He was an ambulance driver in Israel for a while, not clearly graduated from college. There's like no information on the guy. And all of a sudden he winds up as this like major player

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:24Tucker Carlson?

  in the American economy, running this short selling group called Hindenburg, which just disbanded pretty recently.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Barely just disbanded completely.

• 26:32Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, ran away.

• 26:33Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, Nate Anderson produces a report attacking you, a hit piece on you, designed to drive your share price down because he's bet against your share price as a short seller.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. The weird part about this, this is so crazy. The short, the, the short sellers you like essentially commit this, I'm going to try to explain this easy to the public, but this is, this will just get your blood boiling. Without the Department of Justice involvement, the short would never work. Because your stock would like, they would just come out with some report and people would be like, whatever, this stupid, like it's not true. The trucks are obviously real. It turned out that Nate Anderson was communicating directly to the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report, which means what he was doing is he was telling the Department of Justice that there was this fraud that he was going to, he was going to launch, he's launching this investigation, he's going to launch it. And he wanted to make sure that they had it in their hands and they were ready to look at it the second it hit.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  So what he does, he stokes the fire, gets them all angry at you, sells this big fraud.

• 27:37Tucker Carlson?

  Were they looking, was DOJ looking at your company before?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  They were because of Nate, because what we found out was because of what Hindenburg was doing. So Hindenburg was feeding this.

• 27:47Tucker Carlson?

  So you, so the Southern District of New York, the federal prosecutors in New York had, as far as you know, no intention of investigating or prosecuting you until they were approached by a short seller?

• 27:58Speaker 02

  That is our knowledge, yes.

• 28:01Tucker Carlson?

  It's fucking crazy, man. This is the craziest thing. That's insane.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  So this, the audience doesn't know this. The feds showed up.

• 28:07Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry. I'm just like, I'm shocked.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:11Tucker Carlson?

  It gets so much worse too. But let me just say, just to put a finer point on this, in the United States, you're not supposed to be prosecuted. So some guy can profit from your prosecution. Is that justice?

• 28:25Speaker 02

  It's, it's not our country anymore. We've lost it. It's, it's, look, it is so, if people, this is going to be fun today because I get to tell you, I get to, you know, tell us the entire thing. But what no one's ever heard, this is why I love coming on your platform because it's so, so big. And we can really explain the truth. The FBI, so Hindenburg started investigating us and filling the FBI with all these lies.

• 28:50Tucker Carlson?

  But just to be clear, you don't believe the Department of Justice had any plans to screw with you, investigate, indict, bring you to trial, anything until they were approached by this group of short sellers who was like, hey, you should look into this, to this Trevor Milton.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  From what I know, that is a hundred percent accurate.

• 29:12Tucker Carlson?

  This is unbelievable.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  So Nate sent Nate, Nate gets the Department of Justice that originally he goes to the Eastern District. That is what we hear. He goes to East, he lands in the Eastern District of New York's, uh, because he wanted New York. Cause New York, you can get like, New York, you're done. If you get indicted in New York, you're over. You get indicted in Arizona, Utah, you're going to get a fair jury. In New York, it's over. It's a guaranteed stamp, a conviction, 90 plus percent conviction rate. And the ones that get off are low level crimes. They don't care about. So what happened was is the Eastern District researched it. They sent the feds in Arizona out to our facility. They showed up at my chief engineer's home out of the blue. My, I get a call from my chief engineer and, and he's like, Trevor, the FBI just showed up at my house. I'm

• 29:56Speaker 02

  like, for what? They said the truck was fake. And I'm like, well, the truck's not fake. So, well, I mean, well, that's weird. I'm like, did you take him down to the facility? Go show it to him. I don't care. Have him call us. Have him call our attorneys. And they're, they asked, he's like, yeah, they questioned me for like 10 minutes. They're like, hey, is the truck real? We know it's fake. And he's like, what are you talking about? It's, of course it's real. The, the truck's freaking real. It's at the facility. Why don't you come down? I'll, I'll show it to you. Feds wrapped up essentially like made, you know, scared them. And then they went back and they're like, yeah, nothing's wrong. The trucks are real. So the feds originally, you know, they originally looked at and they said, nothing's wrong. So he didn't get the response he wanted. They went back. They essentially declined anything. They're like, yeah, the company's real. It's all like, I

• 30:38Speaker 02

  don't know what these guys are even saying that the company's fake. This bull crap. So then he moves from the, from essentially the Eastern District to the Southern District. Then he goes, then they go essentially to different prosecutors, people they have better connections with her. And next thing you know, the Southern District opens up an investigation. So this is after the Eastern District already turned it down, looked at it and said, there's nothing wrong. So then the Southern District gets it and decides they want to take me down.

• 31:01Tucker Carlson?

  But this is all being shopped by a guy who's hoping to get rich from your failure.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Exactly. Before, by the way, before we go.

• 31:10Tucker Carlson?

  Why is he not in jail?

• 31:13Speaker 02

  It's the question that I think that's the question that should be answered.

• 31:18Tucker Carlson?

  I just, I.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  But it gets worse. It gets worse because like.

• 31:22Tucker Carlson?

  Didn't know. I'm sorry to keep repeating myself. I just didn't know that this happened.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it gets even worse because of what he does and how involved he is in making sure that the Southern District creates an indictment. So his report is worthless without an indictment or an investigation by the Southern District. So then what happens is, is that he, he creates, you know, he creates this big report and he shares it with the government. And then he launches his, his report, his shorts. He takes out a huge position that your stock's going to collapse.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  And from according to the court, we have some information of how much money he made. We don't have it all. We're going to get it through the, there's a big lawsuit going on right now and we'll find it all out. But we know that he made somewhere between 30 and a hundred million dollars off of this short.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Nate Anderson did. Hindenburg, Nate Anderson. That's what we know. It was, we know he's somewhere between 30 and 100 million is what he made on this short from, from creating this fake report, getting the Department of Justice involved. And then when he launched it, what happens is then the next, literally that day or the next day or whatever it was, within, within 48 hours, the Department of Justice sends all their subpoenas to everybody, like our entire company, us, our attorneys, me, everyone, like scaring the shit out of everybody. And as a publicly traded company, you have to disclose it. So what happens when you disclose that a fed, an investigation by the Department of Justice? Your stock does what? And Nate Anderson and Hindenburg get rich.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  It's a guaranteed, absolute guaranteed profit because without the Department of Justice, he makes no money with them. He makes hundreds, potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.

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• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  Did you know that this could happen?

• 35:13Speaker 02

  No, I didn't even know it was happening, dude. I didn't know until way, way, way late, like almost probably two or three years later that who was all involved in it. Like it took the investigator, like it took the subpoena power and everything else of when I was getting, when I got indicted to finally get in there and find all this out. And by then it was like too late to do anything about it.

• 35:34Tucker Carlson?

  The company's gone.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Company now is destroyed and the Department of Justice at fault. $34 billion destroyed by the Department of Justice.

• 35:43Tucker Carlson?

  So Nate Anderson could make $100 million.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  And, and the other people he's involved with made who knows how much money. So there's funds in Canada that were involved in this and we still don't know who they all were that made massive. So what he did is he went out and told them to. So the insider trading was prolific, like he, like you're not allowed to go tell people something that you have insider knowledge on and get them to trade on it. He did this and this is why he shut his entire, this is why I believe, it's a belief. This is why I believe he shut his entire firm down and ran.

• 36:13Tucker Carlson?

  Where is he now?

• 36:14Speaker 02

  No idea. I mean, he's obviously, we're in the middle of a lawsuit, but like no idea.

• 36:17Tucker Carlson?

  So short sellers, as far as I know, don't have to disclosure. He does not specifically have to disclose, disclose who his investors are.

• 36:26Tucker Carlson?

  So there's a syndicate presumably because that's typically the way I don't know this, but I'm just guessing that there's a syndicate behind him. He has investors.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:33Tucker Carlson?

  Correct?

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:36Tucker Carlson?

  And they're all profiting from this with insider information and you know for a fact, they paid members of your.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  So the government's chief witness was a guy who made $600,000 on the short, paid by Hindenburg, by the way, paid by Nate Anderson. So the government's chief witness in my trial, my federal trial was on the stand, made $600,000 by making sure I got convicted and is set to make millions off of the so-called fraudulent whistleblower group.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  This is the government's chief witness. I mean, imagine like the guy on the stand, this guy named Paul Lackey.

• 37:15Tucker Carlson?

  But what was his role?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  And it's public because he was in the trial. That's why.

• 37:17Tucker Carlson?

  Did he work for the company?

• 37:19Speaker 02

  No, he had been to our facility one time in his life. He worked on the batteries. He was an outside guy. He worked on the batteries, had been to our facility one time in his life and he was the government's chief witness.

• 37:27Tucker Carlson?

  And he was paid by Hindenburg?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  $600,000 by Hindenburg. He's admitted that on the stand.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  And he would stood to make millions in the whistleblower groups. Who knows how much money he made from the fake fraudulent whistleblower group?

• 37:41Tucker Carlson?

  I'm gonna say this one more time. Are you positive that Hindenburg paid your employees for information about your company?

• 37:47Speaker 02

  They paid contractors and outside and other people for it. Yes, that were inside of our company that had come in. Yes, 100% for sure.

• 37:54Tucker Carlson?

  And they used that information to trade?

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Yes. Like if someone wants to see, go look at the trial transcript. It's public. If you want to go see, go search for Paul Lackey and he admits he made $600,000 from Hindenburg. Hindenburg paid him $600,000, a portion of how much he would make if he agreed to come in and create a story. And they did this and they did it to other people. There was other people that he promised money to too. There's probably a half a dozen people that, I don't know the exact number, we're going to find out in the lawsuit, but there was somewhere around a half a dozen people that Nate Anderson paid for information and gave him a portion of all the profits. And these are the guys that were, that are part of this fake whistleblower group and that were part of testifying against me at trial.

• 38:38Tucker Carlson?

  So justice in the United States and all civilized countries is administered by the state on behalf of the population? The whole population. So when the state indicts somebody, the state makes the claim that indicting this person, convicting and imprisoning this person protects the public. That's the point, right? That's the point of justice. Protect the society.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:58Tucker Carlson?

  The idea that a private investor could be driving a prosecution in order to benefit from it makes a mockery of the idea of justice. It's not on behalf of the public or protecting the public. It's on behalf of a commercial interest. They're trying to put you in prison in order to help someone get rich.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  If Pam Bondi looked into this right now, Nate would probably be in prison for 30 years.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  This is how corrupt, and not just him, there's other short sellers. And it scares me because like my life-

• 39:28Tucker Carlson?

  Blackman was a big short seller. I mean, there are a bunch of short, there are a lot of prominent people who've done a lot of short sales and gone on television to talk down share prices in order to benefit from the decline in share prices. And I don't understand why none of those people is ever prosecuted. And now I'm starting to understand that the system seems captive to those people. So you didn't, as you just said, you didn't know why this was happening for a couple of years. In those couple of years, what did the government do to you?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, man. So the government, it was, it's really interesting. The government has it. What Americans don't know is the government has a playbook and it's been developed by the CIA and other entities inside the government and it's passed down into the Department of Justice. They have a very clear playbook of how to guarantee a conviction and destroy someone's life and break them. So it's, it's, it's like the profilers, but psychological profiling. And what they do is they figure out how to do it. And they have a very clear playbook and it's taught and very disseminated within these groups to how to do it. The first thing you do is you separate the person from all their friends and colleagues. And it's the number one thing you have to do. You have to separate them. You have to turn everybody against each other.

• 40:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  That's number one. So psychological warfare. So they come in and they threaten everybody differently individually. They separate them. They don't care about the truth. They do not give a crap about the truth. We showed, we actually showed them the truth about major things that they were going after me for. And once they realized that they were wrong, they just pivoted to something else that didn't matter to indict me on.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  So this is um, this, I want to stop at the psychological warfare real quick and I want to tell everyone in the audience right now, in my indictment, there was never, not one time, they could not find not one dollar missing ever, not one dollar misappropriated ever, not one filing incorrect ever. There was no crime, there was no fraud, there was no, there was nothing. What did they hate me for? They came after me and indicted me specifically because of my tweets, my speech, how I explained the business plan. We were a pre-revenue company going public pre-revenue, all of our filings disclosed that, that we were four years, two to four years out on revenue. And so I would speak about this business

• 41:40Speaker 02

  plan in present tense, because why? Because our, all of our filings, which is what the government requires you to do, explained that we are two to four years out. So I was like, hey, this is how we're doing this. Okay, well, I didn't realize that when you say this is how we're doing it, that somehow they could indict you because like, oh, well, you haven't done it yet. Well, yeah, but this is the process of what we're doing. Like, I've explained that and they didn't care. They just indict you on it. They cut your words out. So it's speech. I want America to know why. This is important because I've had a lot of people ask me like, you know, Trevor, why did the government indict you? And, you know, why did these guys take you down? And later I'll get into that. But the answer is, the speech is what they indicted me for. The answer is even more scary. It was, and we'll go into that later. It's the ability to prosecute speech is what, is what

• 42:23Speaker 02

  the, was what the Biden administration wanted was the ability to prosecute free speech. So I was the poster board for prosecuting free speech. But we're gonna, I'll get into that later and we'll actually really hit it hard. But the, the, what they do is they, they psychologically, what they do is they come in, they threaten everyone individually and they, they split you up. And so what they did is they scared everybody, they threatened, they actually told my, we have an email from where they called Kirkland, which was the attorney group. Kirkland Ellis, you know, the law firm? The prosecutors called Kirkland and Kirkland called the company because they want to keep these communications from ever getting private. This is how they do it. It's like a big sham. It's called, you know, privileged communications. Normally it's good when you seek advice from your attorney, but the government uses it to circumvent the ability

• 43:08Speaker 02

  of disclosure. So what they did is they called Kirkland, Kirkland called the company and said, we need two people, two executives to testify against Trevor or they're going to get indicted.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  So what they do is they just say, executives, we're going to indict you too. If you don't turn, if you don't just don't do whatever we say. They don't care about the truth. They just, they're just saying, this is what we're going to want and demand, and you're going to do it. So who showed up? The two executives to testify against me. And this was like, this is the crazy part. And by the way, I like, so that's step one. Divide, divide everybody, turn them against each other.

• 43:39Tucker Carlson?

  Do you believe, if I could ask you, pause, do you believe the Department of Justice had an inappropriate relationship with Kirkland and Ellis?

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Personally, I do, but it's, it's extremely inappropriate. But I think that they are very good at what they do and cover up their tracks. It's very, be very hard to.

• 43:57Tucker Carlson?

  But you felt that Kirkland and Ellis was not straightforward?

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Well, no, we found communications between Kirkland and Ellis and Iclah, where they actually laid out nine steps on how to frame me. And this came from the Department of Justice because it was my exact, it was my exact indictment. So that we know that the department, the prosecutors had to have been talking to Kirkland and Ellis because they gave them literally the blueprint on what their indictment was going to be. And these idiots put it in writing. Some, some intern was actually writing it down. There was nine steps on how they were going to frame me, step by step. They actually said, we're going to make up stories about Trevor, and this is what we need to say.

• 44:31Tucker Carlson?

  Were you being represented by that firm?

• 44:33Speaker 02

  I was at first, yeah. And then later I wasn't. So there's some really bad misconduct there that is like, but ultimately like, there's, the hard part is, is they, it's almost impossible to, to get into privileged communications and sue people on privileged, it's really, really difficult. It's not, not much you can do about it.

• 44:51Tucker Carlson?

  How much did you pay Kirkland?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  The company paid Kirkland over a hundred million dollars.

• 44:58Tucker Carlson?

  So I'm just trying to figure out who wins in this. So shareholders lost tens of billions of dollars. Your life was destroyed. You were convicted of a felony. And so the short seller won and the law firm won.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Law firm, so my, my legal fees were over 80 million.

• 45:16Tucker Carlson?

  Personally?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Personally. And.

• 45:18Tucker Carlson?

  Eighty million?

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Eighty million. And you know why? It was because the, remember how I talked about psychological warfare? The next thing the government does is say, you're going to turn them into an enemy combatant, and you're not going to share anything. So then what happened is I was not privy to any of my communicate, any communications inside the company. I couldn't interview a single employee. I couldn't interview anyone in the company. I couldn't get documents from the company. They were obligated to turn.

• 45:39Tucker Carlson?

  Your company?

• 45:40Speaker 02

  From my company. Cause I left at this time. And they they were obligated to turn this over contractually, but they just said, what are you going to do? Sue us? Go ahead. It'll take you two years.

• 45:49Tucker Carlson?

  Kirkland said that to you.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Well, that was, yes. And essentially Nikola, but through Kirkland said, we're not sharing anything. Piss off. So then then they they got Kirkland to essentially turn the company against me. And

• 46:01Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, can I just to be clear on the fees here? Because the fees are really substantial. And so they're they're an incentive clearly. So you paid Kirkland $80 million?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  I didn't pay Kirkland. I paid my attorneys, separate attorneys, 80 million.

• 46:17Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. And Kirkland made 100 million.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  The company paid Kirkland around over 100 million.

• 46:23Tucker Carlson?

  100 million dollars.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  So this is what they did is what the law firms do. They Kirkland, think about it. If Kirkland went into the Department of Justice and defended us and actually got this thing squashed, they might make 5 million. But if they create an indictment, now they create controversy, they get a bill at $2,000 to $3,000 an hour, they destroy the company, they create more problems, they defend every one of those fires, they create shareholder lawsuits, they defend those too. And then they defend the company against a company with the Department of Justice through the indictment. So if they create chaos, they make 100 million. If they if they if they prove innocence, they make five. Do you see it now?

• 47:01Tucker Carlson?

  I do see it. I'm not even a math guy, Trevor, and I see it.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's literally what happened. Over 100 million dollars is what I've what I've heard. And through the lawsuits, what I've heard through the discovery, around over 100 million dollars to Kirkland and their and their attorneys.

• 47:21Tucker Carlson?

  I've known a lot of Kirkland attorneys, some nice ones, but mostly just greasy, disgusting people, honestly.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  I can tell you that there that law firms in New York are are their single goal is to represent chaos, because chaos creates immense wealth.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Damn. This is dark. Our country is screwed.

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• 50:03Speaker 02

  Like, I didn't realize how deep this was. Dude, I'm a, look, I came from a farm town, man. I grew up in a small town called Kanab, Utah. Okay. My mom was, my mom was dying when I was eight years old of cancer. We lived in Vegas. My dad's like, I gotta get out of here. We gotta, my mom's like, I don't want to die in a city. Just don't. I want to get out of here. So we moved to a small town called Kanab, Utah. One of the best things for me was really tough. But I moved to this small town in Kanab. We were extremely poor. My dad or my mom, my essentially, my mom was dying. Our insurance company dropped us, refused to pay any of her medical bills. My dad sold everything he owned in his life to pay for her medical bills. And, um, and then tried to, tried to figure out a way for her to have some sense of like

• 50:48Speaker 02

  happiness as she died. So we're in this small town in Kanab. I'm taking care of my mom. My dad's working in Las Vegas, uh, three to four hours away, trying to find work. And we are broke beyond measure. Like no food sometimes. I had no money, nothing. Like I had to go out and work. I was working in the morning. I was delivering papers. I was, you know, go over to milk cows with some of my neighbors. I did whatever I could to, to make a few bucks, mowing lawns, after school, whatever I could. I was also in wrestling. Um, and so I'd have to get up early and go to wrestling practice. And, and sometimes I'd go to practice, you know, and I wasn't very good. I just wasn't good. It was interesting because I, Through Hindenburg and all the media there, they use this guy in locally in Kanab about me.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  They were like, oh, what do you think about Trevor that he's like, oh, he's a loser. He lost every wrestling match he did. And he's like, he's a total loser. And it was really interesting.

• 51:40Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just ask you, so Hindenburg went and interviewed your childhood friends?

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Then they sent media to do it because they they got media to Hindenburg works with massive media groups. One of them was, one of them was was Bloomberg. The other one was CNBC.

• 51:54Tucker Carlson?

  Hindenburg works with Bloomberg and CNBC?

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're tied, I mean, tied to get almost tied completely together.

• 52:01Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:02Tucker Carlson?

  So the short seller uses like, has a formal relationship with the media?

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Monster relationship. This is how they, this is how they get the short. They guarantee the collapse of a company. And this is, dude, it's deep, fucking deep.

• 52:13Tucker Carlson?

  How can a short seller use the media to destroy a company and then profit from it?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  They're best friends, dude. They they all, where the, what happens and how they get like, I can't tell you the relationship of how of what happens behind the doors with these guys. All we know is there was an enormous amount of communication between Hindenburg, a guy named Bloomberg, Ben Foley, other guys, and also CNBC, where they created a salacious TV episode to hit during my jury deliberations. We'll talk about that later.

• 52:41Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Actually, yeah. We have a massive billion dollar lawsuit against CNBC and Hindenburg for this. It just got the judge, we just cleared the motion to dismiss and the judge is like, I can't, wow. It's this deep. It goes so deep, dude. These guys are like, straight up, it reminds me of a government entity, how deep the layers go. Like, these guys were, had so much control with so many groups and they were working directly with the media.

• 53:10Tucker Carlson?

  Man. The story is, it's so much bigger than just you.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:19Tucker Carlson?

  And your family, like, this just says so much about how our financial system works in tandem with our justice system and our media establishment to make a few people rich while destroying so much, like the country itself.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's really difficult because the, the, the audience has only heard, oh, Nicola rolled the truck downhill. They don't know the truth. The truck was actually real function, no problem. We just didn't turn it on for that scene and you could have easily. But here's the thing. What's important to know is like why I did certain things. This is what is important. So I'm going back to cab, you know, so I mean, like the media went and interviewed in conjunction with the short seller groups. Went interviewed this guy and he's like, oh, Trevor's a loser. He lost every wrestling match. And it was interesting because later on someone was like, you know, and this kid, this kid was like, oh yeah, he's a loser. He lost. This is why he, he probably stole from everyone. This is why he got indicted. Like tied it to my wrestling matches. Right? Okay, cool.

• 54:13Tucker Carlson?

  Your high school wrestling?

• 54:15Speaker 02

  My high school wrestling match. And so one of my-

• 54:17Tucker Carlson?

  They went pretty deep on you, huh?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Deep, deep. It was just fine.

• 54:19Tucker Carlson?

  They're interviewing your ninth grade classmates?

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Actually earlier than that. It was like the seventh, it was like seventh and eighth grade. So by the way, I'm like, uh, this is, this is kind of interesting because like this is one of the only areas that the short sellers got it right. I mean, I'm, it's kind of sad to say, but the answer is I did lose all my wrestling matches.

• 54:39Tucker Carlson?

  I'm sorry.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  I lost everyone. Um, but they don't know the reason why. You know, it'd be, sometimes it'd be two days that I hadn't eaten. Uh, you know, so I, we had no money. We were broke. We lost everything. My dad sold his welder to pay for his money to get to Vegas to go work. I had no money and it would be two days, sometimes three days I wouldn't, I wouldn't eat. And I would maybe grab like a handful of cereal from a neighbor. And like, that was my food and like, and it was just a tough time. It wasn't like that for all of our life. It was just that time for a few years, really bad. And, uh, we lost everything and like, I would go to wrestling matches and get my ass kicked. I mean, just bad, just get beat. And, but I didn't even have enough energy to even stand up. And so like, I, I was like, yeah, I like, some friends asked me like, is it true Trevor? Cause you're a fighter. I can't believe you're losing wrestling. Cause I'm a pretty scrappy guy.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  And, uh, and I'm like, no, it's true. I lost everyone. And like, really? And I'm like, yeah, but I hadn't eaten for two days, dude. My, I was skin and bone. I had nothing on me. I was so exhausted, tired. My mom was dying. Wasn't mentally there. I was like, yeah, I lost. So they use it like what they do is they take these huge things and then they, they roll it into like this whole entire short seller report about, oh, you're this big fraud. And, um, and, and it, that story's important because like my family means more to me than anything in life.

• 55:51Tucker Carlson?

  It just makes you not want to have a publicly traded company.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  There, there, I, I love the public system. I hate the corruption that the government allows to exist around it. Um, it, it allows people to actually be equal to other people. Like, think about it allows an entrepreneur to go from zero to, you know, to creating incredible wealth for their employees. The problem is, is the government real, if the government figures out a way to destroy so many good people and profit, the big people that are their friends, like the big banks and, and other people that are like making a billion off of everyone they touch.

• 56:25Tucker Carlson?

  And then the law firms are making a hundred million dollars by encouraging chaos.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Each one, yeah. So it's important to know why I do things like, you know, everyone, one of the big lies that was set out was like, oh, Trevor, Trevor left the company because he was, you know, because, you know, when, when Hindenburg hit, I decided to step away from the company. Um, what the public doesn't know is they see the headlines, the media, the lies, but they don't know the truth. You know, why, why did I step away? What was the reason for that? Um, my, I had told the board, uh, prior to, when, when we went public, I told the board I was going to retire in December. So just a few months later, I was like, look, guys, I've taken this company as far as I can. It's up to you guys to take it the rest of the way. And my wife is incredibly sick. She was a, and this, this interview's amazing because the documentary comes out today, finally. I've been working on this

• 57:10Speaker 02

  for almost a year. The documentary about Nikla and myself comes out is just, is now live and everyone can see it on YouTube. It just launched. So the handle's Trevor Milton, but the title of the documentary is, uh, conviction or conspiracy. And it's made to provoke the thought processes. This guy, was it a gigantic conspiracy or was it a true conviction? And part of the documentary is not favorable to me. Come bash it, it kind of, you know, you gotta show both sides. It's pretty, pretty fair. And we wanted to make sure it was fair, but we also wanted to make sure the truth was out there. And, and so I had told the board, I said, look, I'm gonna, um, I'm gonna step aside and,

• 57:45Tucker Carlson?

  And your wife was sick.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  My wife was actually dying at the time. I thought she wasn't going to make it. She was a, a doctor had put the wrong person's blood plasma into my wife during a procedure.

• 57:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, gosh.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. She developed all kinds of diseases and I don't like to go over them publicly because it's not fair to her, but like she developed a lot of diseases from what happened there. And also autoimmune diseases. She developed diabetes instantly. She went from a very healthy woman to a type one and type one, one and a half diabetic to no longer being able to have children. Oh God. It was the worst thing you can imagine. And so I, she had been, she, she had taken a, she went to, we went to the emergency room. They gave her a, they gave her like a, some type of vaccine that was, that was there for, they thought that maybe she got, they wanted to make sure it was like, I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but they required it when we went to the ER and that put her into seizures. It just, it almost killed

• 58:40Speaker 02

  her, dude. It was off. It was like the most, so my wife was literally dying on her death, but couldn't get out of her bed. I was like, I was like bathing her. I, she couldn't get out of bed, couldn't walk and all, and then all of a sudden Hindenburg hits. And I'm like, I can't stay here and fight all this. When I got my company, they all promised me everything would be fine, that they would fight the government and they would expose the truth and work with me. And they got me to sign these papers, these lying scumbags. And I, they used my wife's death, like, or like on her verge of death in order to get me to sign papers because they wanted power and greed and control. Who's they, the law firm? The, the executives in the law firm. Yeah. The law firm wanted it because they knew they couldn't control me, but they could control the other people because they were idiots. So they controlled them like little puppets, but they would never, they would have never gotten away with that with me.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  I would never allow it. So I decided to go help my wife. And then what does Hindenburg do? They go out and they're celebrating. Like you see, Trevor's, he's a criminal, he's a liar. He, he, he got thrown out of his company. He resigned because of the disgrace. Hindenburg's true. And that's where, you know, so Hindenburg used the Department of Justice, the media and, and my, my, my wife, my wife's sick illness to, in order to make sure that they profited 30 to a hundred million dollars or whatever. Did you ever meet anyone from Hindenburg? No.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  I saw him at, I saw him at trial. He came to my trial to rub it in my face. Like he'd just sit in the, he'd sit in the.

• 59:59Tucker Carlson?

  Nate Anderson did?

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, they would like, they, they, there was times when he came through the, came through the trial. I think it was just intimidation. Is what I believe.

• 1:00:07Tucker Carlson?

  But he never called you? You had no contact?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  No, never. No. Never even wanted to know the truth. Never wanted to have any comment on anything. He used people, like, one thing they did is they used a, they used like, they would use recordings from people and then like, and delete half them. So Bloomberg did a, Bloomberg did a,

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  an interview with me and they were like, he asked me, he's like, oh, was the truck, they're trying to get me, catch me in like some kind of lie or fraud. Then I go, was the truck real? Did it, or, or did you guys just, you know, push it down the, you know, did you guys push it down the hill or was it under its own power? And I said, I said, no, the truck was real, but we didn't use its own power. We just used it in a commercial and it, we, we let it roll down the hill for a cinematic effect and, and, and I told the truth, right? So what does, what does Bloomberg do? They come out with an article and they cut out my answer. And the headline is, is that Trevor rolled the truck down the hill, but they cut my answer out. So in the criminal trial, we got the judge, actually, one thing the judge did fair to me, one of the very few things, was he actually forced Bloomberg to turn over the entire, the entire recording.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  And sure enough, there it was, me explaining that like, oh no, we never, we never, you know, the truck wasn't under its own power. It was, it was, you know, we rolled it down the hill for cinematic effects and da, da, da, da, da. So literally Bloomberg deleted everything that showed I was innocent and hid it from the Department of Justice.

• 1:01:23Tucker Carlson?

  And Bloomberg was working with the short seller?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  With, with Nate Anderson.

• 1:01:28Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think Bloomberg or CNBC took money from Nate Anderson?

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  I don't know. Don't know. Um, I, I, if, I don't think the company would be, who knows? I don't know. I don't know. I, I do know that they're very close. They're like best friends. And Nate and some of these guys at Bloomberg and they work on every one of his projects. They literally, every one of the short sells, they, you see the same guys disclosing, like launching massive attacks against people. So it's a coordinated effect. That is crazy.

• 1:01:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. That Bloomberg allows that?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  We're actually suing, we're suing CNBC right now because of the fact that, and Nate Anderson, but not, the hard part with Bloomberg is, is there's nothing, I can't sue them for deleting part of the recording and withholding it. There's no crime for lying about someone, unfortunately. Like, it has to be a slander and it has to be, like, premeditated and it has to be slander, like-

• 1:02:18Tucker Carlson?

  You have to prove that they knew it was a lie.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  It was, it was, we have it with CNBC, easy, but we don't have it with Bloomberg, it's just they just did really awful disgusting stuff.

• 1:02:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the fact that media organizations, business networks are working with short sellers who profit from attacking people is just, I mean, so prima facie corrupt that you don't, you don't need to make a case beyond that. Just that fact alone is disgraceful.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Tucker Carlson?

  And I didn't know it. As low an opinion as I have the US media, having spent a lifetime in it, you're still, you're still shocking me. My opinion's even lower. They are criminals. Okay, so, back to the playbook. The US government, in conjunction with the media and the short sellers, ran on you. The first part of that, you said, was to separate you from everyone you knew and loved and trusted, and they did that.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then they threatened the other guys. And then what they do from there is they get the company to, this is the third step is, is what they do is they, what they call "control the environment." Control the environment is where they, where they come in and they, they sanitize and filter every interview.

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• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  So these employees came to me afterwards and told me about this. This is now after my trial. This is how I knew. So they threatened the employees. They said, you can't talk to Trevor, you'll get arrested, which is a lie. They could. They could talk to my attorneys, but the government threatened them. If they did, they would be turned on. So Kirkland would threaten the employees and essentially divide and conquer and then sit down and say, okay, they would interview an employee and they'd say, all right, you know, here's our, here's our nine steps on how to frame Trevor. And they would go through it with the employee. And they would tell the employee what they wanted to hear. The employee's like, that's not accurate. They're like, okay, well, we're just gonna move on. It is accurate, but we're gonna move on. And then they would, but they wouldn't take notes of it. They wouldn't take notes of it. So when an employee would be like, oh, no, Trevor didn't, like Trevor told the chief legal counsel this, and the chief legal counsel signed off on this.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  And Kirkland was like, no, that's actually not how it happened, but it's okay, we're gonna move on. And then they wouldn't write it down and they would just move on. So like, I had no idea an employee would actually tell this. Imagine this, this is Brady, Brady material means information that shows you're innocent or exculpatory. Kirkland and the company would sanitize all of it. And then what they did is they would, they would come up with a plan, they'd come up with this report and Kirkland came out with it, a whole report on me about how I was a fraud. They created this report fraudulently with all these partial employee comments where they sanitized everything out of it that showed I was innocent. And the government wanted it because they wanted to guarantee they would use that as part of their indictment and use it as part of the SEC coming after me. This is crazy. The whole thing is planned out. It's just bonkers.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  So what kind of penalty were you facing at trial? Uh, 64 years is what the government asked.

• 1:06:07Tucker Carlson?

  Sixty-four years in prison.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Sixty-four years in prison, I think is what the number was that they asked for.

• 1:06:11Tucker Carlson?

  How old were you at the time?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  I was, I was like forty.

• 1:06:14Tucker Carlson?

  Right, so you'd be a hundred and four when you got out?

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and.

• 1:06:18Tucker Carlson?

  So you're facing a life in prison.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Life in prison for tweeting, by the way. Remember, this is important to know. Even one day in prison is the worst thing you can do to a human that's innocent because it destroys their life, their freedom, their liberty, their family, their name. It's irreparable. Like, there's probably been a quarter million negative articles written about me because they just follow what the government says. So a great example is when the government came out, the US attorney, Audrey Strauss, came out. And this is the crazy thing. They convict me for misunderstanding my tweet, right? Because they say it affected the market. So here's the crazy part. Audrey Strauss comes out. She stands in front of the whole world and she says, Trevor Milton is a liar, a fraud. This is where the rubber meets the pavement.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  He created a truck that was nothing more than a Ford truck with his own badge on it. It wasn't even real, it was fake, everything. That was categorically one hundred percent false. So the market collapses on Nikola. So this market manipulation, they should indict her like they indicted me because she actually caused massive market collapse when she had the resources at her hands to know that what she was saying was fake. But she didn't care. You know why? She gets like, oh, well, maybe we misrepresented it a little bit. No, they destroyed the company. The Department of Justice destroyed thirty-four billion dollars in value. And she is responsible. The US attorney came out, literally lied to the entire market. Like, it's provable. The pickup, one of the other trucks we did, the pickup truck,

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  was a Nikola truck, Nikola frame, Nikola E-axle, Nikola battery that we were working on, all of our own suspension designs, our own exterior panels, everything. All that design was ours. We used like a couple pieces from other OEMs, which every OEM in the world does. And she came out and said it was literally just destroyed. When she came out and said that, the whole entire company at that point was known as a fraud.

• 1:08:08Tucker Carlson?

  This is one of the wildest interviews I've ever done. And I hope people understand the importance of it. Because what it shows is that there's a shocking level of coordination between major institutions in our society that are not supposed to be coordinating with each other. And that it's on behalf of what is, in my view, a criminal enterprise, short selling.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Here's where it gets really like, okay, so now we've had all the, I agree. And now we've had all this fun talking about this and here's like the, here's the cherry on top. Here's the cherry on top. This just shows you how corrupt it is. So I didn't know this was going down. This is completely, I did not know this was going down in the background. Okay. So after everything I'm telling you, I'm sitting there. I get a call from my attorney and he says, Trevor, I need you to answer me something honestly. And if you lie to me, I'll never represent you. You need to be a hundred percent truthful to me right now. And I'm like, what? I've never lied to you. What are you talking about? Why would you even phrase it that way? What's, what's going on, dude? What the hell else is going on that I don't know about?

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  And he says, Trevor, are you a Russian asset?

• 1:09:21Tucker Carlson?

  I thought you were like a Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  I, I was a very innocent, naive Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah. I had met, I had met one Russian in my lifetime up to that point and she was a male lady. She was really nice.

• 1:09:35Tucker Carlson?

  Like at the post office?

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, the post office. She worked for the post office and.

• 1:09:40Tucker Carlson?

  Are you a Russian asset?

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  I had never been to Russia. I had never met a Russian in my life up to that point and no big deal. I don't mean, there's probably lots of great people. I mean, there's probably good and bad, just like every country.

• 1:09:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  I, I, and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  I'm sorry for the language, sorry for the language, everyone.

• 1:09:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's justified.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  My jaw, I'm, I had no clue. I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, did you hack Nate Anderson and the Department of Justice? What the fuck are you talking about? I don't even know how to hack, dude. I'm not a hacker, I'm not a Russian asset. Dude, I have to go to my engineers to ask them simple questions for, because that's how I learned. Like, I don't know how to do it. Like, I'm not like the expert when it comes to like, you get in super advanced chemical engineering. I'm not the expert. I have my engineers teach me. I, I don't know how to hack a government system. Good fuck, dude. So I was.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  This is, that was the line of questioning right up front. And I said, why? And they said, there's a meeting before the judge.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  The Department of Justice is alleging that you're a Russian asset.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  And that you've been hacking their systems and Nate Anderson. And they want to, they essentially want to take you to jail. Like pre, pre-trial, like they want to just throw me in prison for this. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He's like, you've never emailed anyone ever to get information from, to like, try to get into the system of Hindenburg or the United States government. No. You've never talked to anyone ever. No. You never asked someone to talk to someone else about it. No. Don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  So guess what happened? Nate Anderson, before trial, wanted to stoke the fear of the United States, get the government so mad at me that I have no ability to have a fair trial. Remember, they're profiting off of the failure of me every step of the way. So every month they would make another however many millions of dollars, millions of dollars, millions of dollars. As your stock price declines. As your stock price declines, negative news comes out. They had to make sure that I was convicted. Their entire life and identity was on this. From what we hear, and I have to say, this is only from what I know.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  I don't know all the details. I just know a lot of them. But from what I know, Nate Anderson reached out to his buddies in the Department of Justice, the prosecutors that he's been, that he fed the report to, and told them that some Russian asset was trying to hack him and the government and get information. And that it was me.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  And the Department of Justice fell for it, hook, line and sinker. They go to the judge, they tell the judge, and they set up a FBI sting.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  I've never told any, this is

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  breaking here. An FBI sting in New York City. Supposedly I'm behind it. They're going to nab me and my Russian asset.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  They set it up Nate Anderson or a look alike. I heard it might it was a look like it was a guy dressed up as Nate Anderson, like that he was like in the FBI or like away or something, but they didn't want to risk his life. They gotta protect him. He a personal look alike show was there. The Russian, this Russian person shows up, realizes it's not Nate or whatever and fucking takes off. Hits an FBI vehicle from what I hear. And by the way, this is all filmed. The FBI has it. These fuckers, sorry, these people have it. I, I don't have access to it. I've seen, I've heard about it and my attorneys have seen it. They fucking filmed this thing. Actually, because they were going to use it to go to the judge and throw me in prison.

• 1:13:02Tucker Carlson?

  If Nate Anderson is texting federal prosecutors, that right there should trigger a criminal investigation.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  It should.

• 1:13:09Tucker Carlson?

  If that's true. I mean, I'm hearing this from you.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  If it's true. I, from what I know, it like that's, that's the thing. That's where I have all the evidence from what has been told to me from my attorneys, from what I've seen. I was standing there one day when one of the prosecutors had to show me a message because there for disclosure reasons, they literally had to show me their phone and say, hey, we, we just have to show you this message because it came into us. They had to show it. It was like, so this is how I know that like this.

• 1:13:34Tucker Carlson?

  And what was the, who's the message?

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  It was, it was a message about me fleeing the country.

• 1:13:38Tucker Carlson?

  Who's it from?

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Uh, one of the, one of their, one of their, who, who, one of their friends that was involved in this whole scheme. And I couldn't tell you who it was. I didn't, I didn't have their, I couldn't write their number down and research them. It was in the prosecutor's cell phone, their fucking cell phone. It's just, it's insane that like these guys have done.

• 1:13:56Tucker Carlson?

  So they, they, meaning likely the short sellers, were telling federal prosecutors that you were a flight risk in order to encourage them to put you in.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  And a Russian asset.

• 1:14:06Tucker Carlson?

  And Russian.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  They wanted me in prison. They did not, they had to do it because they needed to make the judge think I was guilty. So remember, they had approached the, the judge sees all this shit. So the judge is thinking I'm the biggest scum on earth. You know how it is, like the liberal, like the very far left in New York, where do they hate more than anything? Russian assets. They, I mean, it was Trump, 101, Trump's a Russian asset. They use that to stoke the anger to the judge to fuck my life and my, my trial, knowing that they're going to make another 10, 20, 30 million dollars on it.

• 1:14:38Tucker Carlson?

  That is just crazy.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  I lost almost everything I have in my life because of this. I lost 80 million in attorney fees, billions of dollars in losses in my, in my, on my stock. Innocent investors lost billions of dollars out there potentially in different ways because of what the, because of the decline of the stock value, because of the department, misconduct of the Department of Justice. And then they blamed it on me. And there's been 200,000 articles out there about how I was the cause of this. And it now the truth gets out is why I'm so excited to finally think, and I, and I use his name so sacredly because I'm a, I'm a religious person. And I use this most, in the most sacred, most amazing way I ever can, in like respectful and reverent way, like thank my God for stepping in and,

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  and allowing Donald Trump to, to, to see my story. Because he issued me a full and unconditional pardon, days before the government was going to seize every asset I ever owned.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  And I, that's all, if it was not for Donald Trump, I would be destroyed. And it was the same people that came after him, came after me. And when he saw this, he was like, this is a huge abomination. I can't stand for it. I don't care what the articles say. I don't care what the, what the short seller narrative is. This is wrong and I don't stand for it. And that's one thing I love about Donald Trump. He does not stand for something when he thinks it's wrong. He doesn't give a shit who is going to attack him. He knew there's going to be blowback. He didn't care. I don't care. I do what's right. This is, and he is a man, like he has got a spine. He's a real man. He's a true man. He's not a cow. He's not, he literally stood up to the media. They said, why'd you pardon Trevor Milton?

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  And because they were trying to, you know, get like, make him look bad. And he said, he stood there and said, they destroyed five years of this man's life. Trevor did nothing wrong.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  They're evil people.

• 1:16:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  And that was his statement to the press, live, on the fly. And he, and that was, if it wasn't for Donald Trump, I'd be screwed. They had filed to cease $690 million or something like that from me. They were days away from taking everything.

• 1:16:52Tucker Carlson?

  And then sending you to prison.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  And then sending me to prison just weeks or months later. I, I've been, my goal in this life now has been to try to figure out a way to help Trump reform the criminal justice system, because there's four or five things I could do and I can lay them out real quick. That will change the entire justice system. I think it's important to tell the world what it is. This would be, these would be like, because you know, you can go into thousands of things. I only care about four or five things, because it'll, 80 to 90% of prosecutions, wrong prosecutions would go away instantaneously. Number one is, the, the Department of Justice should never allow, be allowed to talk to anyone unless it's a recorded call.

• 1:17:24Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  That's number one. They should never be allowed to talk to an attorney.

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  Cops have, beat cops who are making 50 grand a year and risking their life every day in the worst places in the United States, have to wear a chest camera.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Tucker Carlson?

  But FBI agents don't?

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:39Tucker Carlson?

  How is that?

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Here's the problem. They coerce and they lie and they destroy people and they destroy evidence. So the number one thing they should be is, is every call, every personal visit, everything should be on camera.

• 1:17:47Tucker Carlson?

  Certainly every interview.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Every interview as well.

• 1:17:51Tucker Carlson?

  Let me ask you a dumb question. Are you allowed to whip out your iPhone and record the interview?

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  Um, I believe you are, if, I believe you are, if you're being interviewed. That person is, but the person wouldn't know, the employee would never know that.

• 1:18:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  They're never told. So, but they should force the Department of Justice to do it. So that way it's turned over in discovery. That, that should be part of their discovery obligations. Okay. Number one is, every single interview or, or communication with a, with any counsel, any, any, any attorney or anyone working on the case or instructed to work on the case, it should be a recorded call or video. Number one. Number two is, if you indict someone, they, the person, the defendant should be able to choose the venue.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  This is a really important one. Because what they did is they, I had no connections in New York. We filed the most-

• 1:18:37Tucker Carlson?

  You're not a native New Yorker?

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  No, I've never, I didn't own a property. I had passed through New York on a flight one time overseas.

• 1:18:44Tucker Carlson?

  I've been to Kennedy Airport once.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  I was, I had been interviewed one time, one time early on about an equal in, in New York. And it was, it had nothing to do with the allegations the government claimed.

• 1:18:55Tucker Carlson?

  For a media interview.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, for media interview. So if you look at my whole history, everything the government alleged happened, happened in Arizona and Utah, not in New York. So we filed a motion with the judge and we said, Your Honor, this is the wrong venue. I'm, I'm guaranteed by the, by the constitution, it's actually one of the reasons why America exists is because it used to drag the founding fathers across sometimes the ocean, sometimes into other cities and states, and they would prosecute them with people that hated them. There's one reason why our founding fathers created the venue clause. And that is, that was for me was one of the most, was, was very sacred.

• 1:19:28Tucker Carlson?

  May I ask, how did the case wind up in New York City? If you had no connection to New York City.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  That's the whole scam.

• 1:19:35Tucker Carlson?

  Was the company chartered in New York City?

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Well, no, they said, well, so the prosecutors claimed that it was because we were, that they were publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange, that they could drag me to New York. So my con, somehow the company's organization would bring my personal venue into the, underneath the company, which is crazy, that doesn't happen. Number two is, we, so they, we filed this motion with the judge and we said, Your Honor, Trevor doesn't have any connections to New York. This shouldn't even be here, it should be in Arizona and Utah. They would never try it in Arizona and Utah, ever.

• 1:20:04Tucker Carlson?

  But because your stock was traded in New York.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but here's the funny part.

• 1:20:07Tucker Carlson?

  It's actually traded on the internet.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  It's trade, well, yeah, so they say it passes through, it's traded through New York. But you know, the funny thing is, we told the judge, we're like, Your Honor, even that, even that argument's wrong. And he says, why is that, why is that? It's a New York Stock Exchange, he says, Your Honor, the servers are in New Jersey.

• 1:20:21Tucker Carlson?

  Well, there is no New York Stock Exchange anymore. I mean, this whole, the whole thing is stupid, that there are a bunch of guys in coats with slips of paper, trading stocks? No, it's taking place digitally.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Digitally. So what, what that means is, is that if you took away the venue clause in the constitution, then the, the rights that we've been given, the venue is one of the most powerful clauses ever given. And it was, it was made to prevent people from dragging people into other venues where they could get destroyed. So here's the important thing though, real quick. The prosecutors claimed that because something passed through New York somehow digitally, that it allows them to prosecute me in New York. If that's the case, you might as well get rid of every district in America. It should only be Southern District. Because that allows them to pull anyone they want from California, from Portland, from Texas, and charge them in New York just because the internet goes through New York,

• 1:21:10Speaker 02

  or some kind of thing like that. That's the problem is it would destroy every venue in America. So you have to move to New York? I did. You moved to New York? I had to move there during the entire time in trial. How long was that? How long were you in New York? I mean, you know, we bought a house there for the whole trial. It was awful. It was terrible. It was for the trial and we were there. You know, the trial took, I mean, the pre-trial and trial was over a couple of years. So you had to move to New York for a couple of years? No, I wasn't there the full time. I was still, I'd still go back and forth. But yeah, I was there for, I was there for a little over a year. I mean, at least probably a year in and out all the time. What did you think of the jury pool? That was hard. And this is why the government tries people in New York.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  So the jury pool in my, in my trial was, this is why they rubber stamp convictions in New York. This is how it works. In Utah and Arizona, the jury would, the people actually feel like it's a very patriotic thing to serve on the jury. And they want to make sure that no innocent person goes to prison. This is why they wouldn't try me in Arizona or Utah. They would, the prosecutors would have been laughed out of the courtroom and probably sanctioned by the judge for their conduct. But in New York, the judges cover for them. They can do whatever they want. There's never a prosecutor that's ever reprimanded for anything in New York, ever. Shit, in Utah, just barely, the chief justice in Utah called the SEC in, essentially told them that they had committed crimes, shut down the entire

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  SEC division in Utah over this because the SEC lied to the judge one time. The prosecutors lied to the judge hundreds of times in my trial. The judge literally threw the entire criminal case out against a guy because the prosecutors misled the judge one time. They, out there, they actually gave a shit about the rule of law. In New York, they don't. So what do they do in New York? How's it work? They bring you in and they have this huge jury pool.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  New York is, is the people in my jury pool that ended up through process of attrition, which is guaranteed every time, almost every one of them, none of them had, very few of them had any type of job. Most of them were on government subsidies and welfare. Actually? Yeah. They, the, the people that did have jobs, like there was one guy that came through that was a plumber and electrician and I was begging, I was like, please, like, stay on my jury. They, they didn't have jobs or welfare? Some of them, some of them, not all of them. Jury of your peers were promised? Yeah. So the, the, the, one of the guys was like, uh, was a, was a, was a small business guy. I'm like, oh, please, for the love, be, stay on my jury. And he's like, and the prosecutor's like, your honor, this jury, this trial could take up to four months.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  The business guy's like, I can't be away from my business for four months. I'll lose it. I'm sorry, I can't be here. So the guy who's actually like, who's actually run a company that's like, would, would be a peer, one person left. See, other guys make it, you know, the other people, they're making six, eight bucks an hour, 10 bucks an hour, whatever, getting welfare, getting welfare checks, retired, don't, don't even work anymore. They're like really old people. We had, we had, we had a couple of them that slept through the whole trial. They're so old, they just slept. They didn't even, they weren't even awake.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  We, one of them was, and then what we found, the crazy part is, so during this void dire, you know, they call it void dire, where they, where they interview the jurors.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  There's this one juror and this juror had, um, she was a younger, um, African American female and most of my jury was, was, was, was, uh, was other races. They were not white. It was, most of it was all, um, I think that might've only had one white person on our, our jury. I'll have to look, but it was almost all a different race, which is fine. But, you know, you would think normally, but in this situation, it wasn't. Um, so this, this juror had, and during questionnaires, we asked a juror, do you have social media? No, I don't. Do you use social media? No, I don't. Do you, where do you get your news from? Um, I get it from YouTube. Okay. All right. Cool. Sounds good. Any prior convictions? No, no, no. Okay, cool. Whatever. So there was nothing on her and we asked the judge if we could research these jurors

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  to make sure that the jurors weren't lying. Judge was like, yeah, no problem. You can research. You know, so we, the person said they had never had social media, never had, do you have anything against rich people or white people that would, that would affect your ability to be fair? No, no, Your Honor. Okay. So cool. We put her in a pool of like, potentially just acceptable people because they didn't meet any qualifications to be disregarded or dis- dis- you know, essentially thrown out. And so, long story short, as we go into the, the trial, most of my jury is- And she's on the jury. She's on the jury. There was, I had one good juror. I had one good juror and it was, it was, it was a Hispanic lady and she was awesome. She ultimately went along with the rest, but she was, she was actually, she was the only one that had any sense of, of soul in her, her heart in her that was like, hey, this might be wrong, guys. She was a really great woman and I think she was

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  bulldozed by everybody. She had, she, but I'll go through this. This African American girl lied to the judge, lied to us. My trial happens, I get convicted and she goes out, she starts speaking to the jury. I mean, speaking to the media. We're like, what the fuck? Like, and so she, she starts speaking to the media. She gets interviewed by the media and, and the media is, the media asks her questions and they're really weird. And we start researching her and we find multiple social media accounts that she owned through investigative ways that she never disclosed to the, to the judge or us. And right before my trial, guess what her New Year's resolution was? What? To abolish, quote, abolish the billionaire class, end of quote.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  That's unbelievable. Her New Year's resolution was to abolish the class of the human that she was on the trial for. Imagine this. Imagine if there was a trial with a young Hispanic kid or a young black kid and there was a white supremacist on, on, on the trial and his, and his New Year's resolution was to abolish the, the African American culture, abolish or, or class, or abolish the Hispanic class. Can you imagine how quick that fucking trial would be thrown out? What, did she express any racial views? Yeah. Lots of stuff against white people, wealthy people. Everything was, everything was a class warfare against wealthy white people. Like explicitly against whites? Everyone except for Elon Musk, which was her, which was her, her hero. So she was like,

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  implant my brain with your Neuralink, Elon. Like, she was like a, she was an Elon lover.

• 1:27:26Tucker Carlson?

  Blame my brain with your Neuralink.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  That's what she said. She actually tweeted that.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, she tweeted it.

• 1:27:34Tucker Carlson?

  But she hates whites otherwise.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  She hates whites otherwise. I think it's because he's South African or something, but like, the point is, is she absolutely was like, her whole thing was like-

• 1:27:42Tucker Carlson?

  And she served on the jury and voted for your conviction?

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Not only served, she was the head of the, she took full control of the jury. She even admitted it. So it was-

• 1:27:51Tucker Carlson?

  Why wasn't, why wasn't the conviction thrown out on the basis of that?

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Oh, it even gets worse already. So one last thing I'll say. So when she went out and interviewed the media, they were like, they're like, oh, why didn't you, you know, like, what about this, this and this? They asked her questions about something. She's like, well, we didn't want to have an alternate come in because we knew he'd be found innocent.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  She actually said that I would be found innocent.

• 1:28:11Tucker Carlson?

  Why didn't you flee the country? No, seriously.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  I wanted to stand-

• 1:28:18Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, this is a joke. Everything about this is fake. There's no reference point in justice here at all, or truth. And I know it's your country and you love the country. I feel the same way, but like, if you, you're sitting before a jury of racists who hate you for being white and rich, and say so, and lie,

• 1:28:37Tucker Carlson?

  you're, you're gonna do life in prison.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  Life in prison. They asked for 64 years and-

• 1:28:41Tucker Carlson?

  So did you consider fleeing the country?

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  No, I never did. Mainly because like, I, I grew up in a really small farm town. As I said, my dad was very patriotic, is still, but like, we know the problems in the, in the government. We hope we can fix them. But the point was, is there's something very, very brave and very like patriotic and very, like, manly about standing up, knowing you're gonna be assassinated and looking them in your eye and just saying, fuck you. That was my, my best thing I could do is look at him and through the eyes. And I looked at the jury, and I said, you know, one day you're gonna stand before God, and oh, the hell you're gonna pay. Because they're gonna realize that they, that they, like, so the one juror was like, oh, we didn't want, we didn't want an alternate, because they were gonna exclude someone. They're like, we didn't want an alternate, because he would have been found innocent. She's

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  like, I couldn't stay, so I just decided we needed to have this done by 5pm so I could go home.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  So she like literally is just like, well, I have to be home by 5pm. So we're going to convict him. We're not even going to look at the jury and the stuff. We're just gonna, let's just, let's just go home. And she like, she was, she was bragging about convicting, convicting me, putting me in prison by 5pm. And it was her lifelong goal. And then she went and bragged about it to the media because she wanted a big, she wanted a big payday. It was just sick, dude. It's sick. And I, and there's something about like, like, I feel like, you know, God, like Christ, you know, if you believe in God, you know, allegedly, you know, what they believe is that he died on a cross. He didn't die because he, he, he didn't, he didn't die on that cross because he had, I mean, because he was forced to. He did it willingly. And it's the greatest sign of a man is to look his, look at the people that are evil in their eye, why they, where they hurt them or murder them,

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  and look them in the eye and just say, you don't know. And one day you will, and it'll be pain. The pain will be deep. And I can promise you, like, if God does exist, when they meet their maker, the pain they, the pain they caused me and the lies that they, what they did to me, if their rage, their hatred towards wealth and race and everything else, and whatever other reason, they will have to pay a price greater than what I paid over my five years of hell. Because that's the only way you can truly atone for something is you have to pay for what you did. And then God can forget about it. But their, their, their pain is going to be incredible. And I, I don't wish that on them. But the growth that's required, requires that. And so they will have to go through it. And that's why I'm so afraid of ever doing anything wrong to anyone.

• 1:31:00Speaker 02

  It's why I give so much away. That's why I love, I give so, I gave 70% of my company away. The judge wouldn't let me talk about that at trial. So they could say that I somehow I was like, oh, I was lying, I was defrauding the, you know, defrauding shareholders because I like lied about something in a tweet when it was a misunderstanding. But like, they just didn't understand what, how I was explaining it. But if I was really trying to pump the stock and defraud people, wouldn't I have not given 70% of, I mean, I'm talking 10 billion plus dollars away? Why would I keep such a small amount for me? Why wouldn't I keep it all? No, I gave it all away. But somehow I'm a fraud. It was just, it's just, it's, that's America, Tucker. That's where we're at now. And that's, this is the first time I've ever exposed it. And the first

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  time I've ever come clean about like, what really happened and what went down. And it's, and I'm just really great. I'm really proud of doing it on your show.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  Uh, not well. Yeah.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I bet. She still struggles to this day because with her, with her illnesses and sicknesses, stress is like the number one factor for diabetics and for, uh, for autoimmune diseases. That, that's what it flares up, the, the, the histamine reactions and everything. And her stress level, like there was days where I thought we were both gonna probably just wake up. Like God would just be kind to us and just let us like die in our sleep. Like I was like, you know, that'd be the greatest way to go. I was like, you know, that'd be wonderful. Like just wake up and I'm in heaven with her. That'd be rad. Like, like there was, my heart hurt so bad and tore so hard. I was like, I can't, I could never imagine hurting. Like I've come from a life of service. I lived in Brazil when I was a kid. I did a service mission in the favelas.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  I taught people English. I taught people about God for a period, you know, for, for, for a period of time. I've given almost everything away to my employees. I gave everything away to other people. I, I never pass up a, you can ask anyone you ever meet that knows me. I'll never pass anyone up on the street unless it's like a dangerous position where I won't stop and help a person. It's been my, it's who I was raised from the time I was a kid, as a true patriot, as a lover, like of, of just wanting to see people happy. I want to see when I meet my maker, I want him to say, you know, Trevor, you stopped 23,000 times in your life to help my, help me, help my, my children, the people that I, that I, that I made. And they were never grateful for it, but I am. And that's what I wanted. I wanted that feel. I wanted to know when I met my maker that I was like, you know what? I, I never passed someone up that needed help.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  And that's why I was so grateful for President Trump. He was the first person, there was other people there that helped as well, but he was the first person that was, that was, uh, that was publicly able to, you know, that was able to, willing to stand up and do what's right regardless of the consequence and thank my God for President Donald Trump. Cause I'd be in prison, everything would be ripped away and my wife would probably be dead. And that's how evil these prosecutors are. And I hope they go to, I hope they hear this. And I hope they understand the damage they do to people because they have to meet their maker one day. And they can't excuse it of like, oh, it's just my job. God doesn't care if it was your job. Was it your job to throw, uh, you know, not comparing equals here, but was it your job to throw the Jews in the oven? He doesn't care if it's your job.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  He cares what you cannot excuse your behavior on your job. And I'm telling you right now, dude, like I'm halfway through my life right now. And I don't think America has much more and much more in the future. I think we got maybe 10 years left in us. Probably so if I really think about it, probably have 10 years left in my life. Cause I think we're going to end up in a world of hurt and most of us are going to be, most of us are going to be affected negatively. And I, I, I look at it, I'm like, I'm pretty close to meeting my maker right now. And, and I'm, I'm really glad, I'm really proud. Like I can look at my maker in the eyes and I can say, I, I like, I did nothing but love people and help them and give everything I could. And I never lied, I never defrauded. These guys, these short sellers and the prosecutors, they all just lied and they just, and they just

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  spread it and they have their power, they have layers, like nine layers just deep everywhere. And they back it up because, oh, well, the media said this, oh, well, Bloomberg said this. Oh, CNBC said this. And the, the thing I didn't tell you about, and I kind of missed it in that timeline was, is that Hindenburg worked with a group called, with CNBC called American Greed. And they launched this massive

• 1:35:13Tucker Carlson?

  American Greed's a show.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  A show.

• 1:35:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  Massive disgusting show about me. That was all lies. The entire thing was lies. They launched it during my jury deliberation to guarantee. So if you think about this, these

• 1:35:25Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, are you sure that Nate Anderson and Hindenburg worked with CNBC on that show?

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. It's actually, it's, it's in all the lawsuits proven to the judges. It just, it just passed a motion to dismiss.

• 1:35:36Tucker Carlson?

  How could CNBC work with a short seller to defame or attack? In any case, a company the short seller was profiting from the decline of.

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  During my jury deliberations, knowing that jury members would go home, because they're all social media watchers, they all watch this shit. Every show that comes out, people watch, they're all bingers. Watched it too. Think about it, during the jury deliberations. And it's, it's a hundred percent factual that they, that, that Hindenburg was working with, with American Greed. It's part of the big lawsuits, a billion dollar lawsuit against them.

• 1:36:10Tucker Carlson?

  I hope you put them under.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  I hope, I, I hope they have to pay. I don't know if the court systems are honorable enough to make them pay, but I hope they do.

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  It's bad. I mean, the best thing would be is the Department of Justice to actually open a full investigation on the prosecutors, the process, what happened Hindenburg, what they did, who they, who, who was paying the money, who they, you know, did they trade on this information, which we know, which they, which we have high beliefs that they did, we know it. Well, I mean, obviously they traded on it. So if they did this, that would be the greatest, that would be the best thing that could happen to America is for them to actually restore trust in the justice system to realize, you know what, we're not going to stand for prosecutors fucking around with, with short seller people committing crimes. We're not going to, we're not going to stand for it. And if you are, you're gone. And you're prosecuted, dude, not just gone, but prosecuted. And that would be the, that would be the best way to restore faith in the American system because it's gone right now.

• 1:37:00Tucker Carlson?

  How did you find out you were getting a pardon?

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  I, I, I got a call on, so this is crazy. I was actually like, I, my world was over at this time. I had finally come to the conclusion. I had finally resigned mentally that it was done.

• 1:37:14Tucker Carlson?

  When was this?

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  Beginning of April.

• 1:37:16Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  I think it was, I think it was April, beginning of April. Was it March? Sorry, I'm sorry. It was beginning, I'm sorry. It was about the beginning of March.

• 1:37:24Tucker Carlson?

  I heard you.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  Thanks, thanks, baby. I appreciate it. She was like, March. I'm like, okay, March, sorry.

• 1:37:28Tucker Carlson?

  Your wife has a very good memory for dates and names. I noticed, I noticed that last night. Yes.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  She remembers everything.

• 1:37:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's good.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  And so sometime around the beginning of, in, in March, I got a, I got a call on my phone and it pulled up and I screenshotted just the, just the caller ID number because I was like, it was like so interesting. It was, it said, it said, executive office of the President of the United States. And I was like, I'm either getting trolled, like straight troll. Like they're going to impersonate him with AI. I'm getting full on set up here. But I was like, I gotta answer this. So I answered it and they're like, hey, this is Trevor Milton. I said, yeah. And this is the executive office of the President of the United States, so and so, and Mr. President, President Trump would like to speak with you. Do you have a minute? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And that'd be great. And I go on hold and I'm gonna hold for probably like three minutes.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  And I'm like, this is really scary because I truly thought it was like a full setup. And, um, and all of a sudden it was the president comes on the line. He's, you know, is this Trevor? And I said, yeah. And he says, Trevor, how you doing today? And I said, not too great, Mr. President, but I'm alive still. And that's, you know, that's all you can do is just keep fighting. And he says, you're, you're, you're so true, Trevor, so true. And he says, well, you're gonna have a, you have a better day after this. And I just wanted to tell you, and I said, said, yeah. And why, and I said, why is that? And he says, um, he says, well, um, Trevor, I've heard your story. And, um, uh, what they did to you was evil and disgusting. It was wrong on every level. And I'm going to issue you a full and unconditional pardon.

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  The highest pardon a president can give a human is a full and unconditional. And I'm going to give, I'm going to issue you a pardon. You don't deserve what you've been through. I'm so sorry. And, uh, and he says, you're clean, you're cleaner than a baby's bottom. And, um, it was a very, very like, and, and I didn't know how to take it. I'm like, I don't even, here I am, like, I, I had finally given up, finally resigned mentally. It's five years. I was just like, I just didn't have anything left in me. I was just over. And, uh, and he, and, and that was when I got the call and it, and it was like, it was so incredibly because I, I like, I realize that sometimes in this life, you don't get the help until you, you have nothing left to give. And it was at that moment and he, and he stepped in for what reason?

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  I, you know, I, I know the reason because it was wrong, but like most politicians don't have bravery to do the right thing. They always do the wrong thing.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  And, and then he says, I'll be in touch soon. And, uh, and he says, the team, he's like, I just want to let you know. He's like, uh, you know, I'll be in touch soon. So two and a half, three weeks go by.

• 1:40:07Tucker Carlson?

  So what, what did you do in the meantime? Did you tell your lawyers?

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  I, I told my, I told my parent, my dad, and I told my brothers and my sisters. And I told my lawyers and I made sure that like, I was like, listen, guys, this cannot get out. This is the highest level secrecy. Do not mention this to anybody. And my attorneys actually were like, didn't know how to take it. They were like, are you, um, you know, Trevor, do you, they're like, do you have a, do you have a piece of paper that's signed?

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  And in that moment, I realized, oh shit, I don't.

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  I'm like, uh, no, I don't. Then they're like, then it didn't happen and it doesn't matter. And there's a million things that can go wrong from now until then, or if it even, you know, who, you know, like, I'm not questioning you because we like you and we trust you. But this is a little like, you gotta understand, it's very rare to get a pardon. And I said, I have never lied to you guys before and I'm not lying to you now. That's, I was like, my wife was here. She listened to the whole thing. And they're like, all right, well, we'll see. Two to three weeks goes by and nothing. And I'm like terrified. I'm like, great. Someone got to him. Someone made him think I was the evil man that the press said, made him think what the short sellers believe. And, um, and next thing you know, I, um, sitting there on an architect.

• 1:41:13Tucker Carlson?

  And meanwhile, the government's looming over you to seize all your assets and put you in jail.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  They did. I was three, I was a few days late on a, on a, on a filing, uh, because it was like all my, it was an asset to seize all my assets. It was a filing to seize all my assets. They, they asked my judge to allow him to take 660 million dollars from me. When they couldn't prove a single dollar had ever been, ever been, ever been lost. Or, or anything that like I had, I had nothing wrong. So that's part of reform. When you'll talk about that, you know, that, that's one of the things in reform needs to be the true, you know, needs to be not what the government just says that you like, has to be true. Like, show me somebody who invested on my comment, when they made it and how much they lost. They couldn't find one person that ever did, ever. They, they searched every investor that ever invested in Igla. They could never find one person that said they invested based on the comments that they took me to trial for.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  And what was the losses from that? None. Zero. So it was 660 million and we were a few days late on our filing and, um, we, uh, and then all of a sudden I'm on the, I'm on a call with our architects and attorneys and Chelsea, Chelsea, uh, like all of a sudden I get a call and it was a Florida number. And I was like, mm, okay. I better take this. I usually don't answer calls that I don't know the numbers from because I get so much spam, but it was a Florida number. And I thought, okay, maybe. And, uh, it comes online and Trevor, yeah, Trevor's, it's, it's, it's President Trump. How you doing? And I said, I'm doing, I'm doing okay, Mr. President. And he says, he says, oh, he says, boy, are you going to be doing better today?

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  He says, I wanted to let you know that I'm sitting in front of your pardon right now and I'm about to sign it. And, but I wanted you on the phone while I signed it.

• 1:42:55Speaker 02

  And it would and then he said something to me that was really the most powerful thing I've ever heard probably in my life. And he says, I'm doing something for you that they that they that they never did for me. And it was one of the most deals like that they no one can do for me like except for him. He may be the only person that can ever do it for himself. But you know, as a president, whatever those constitutional powers are, but essentially what he told me in that moment was I almost broke down bawling in this because it was it was like out of everything. That's what I took more powerfully than anything is that Trevor, I'm giving you something that I've

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  long wished I could have been given. And I can't. No one did it for me. But I'm doing it for you. And I almost busted down because it was really like a religious moment for me. It was a moment of like of like where I felt like God was sometimes like, that's the moment where God's like, I didn't do anything. But I had to let the evil man of the world murder me and hang me on a cross and suffer for days beyond any human could ever comprehend. And I had to do it because you couldn't do it for me. And like, fuck, that was like, that was like, that was a moment that like I had, I had never imagined the power of a man's words in my life ever hit me like that. And it

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  was when Trump told me I'm doing something for you that no one could do for me. And it was like, it hurt my heart, like it hurt me to like, think about like, what he went through and what Trump's been through and like, what they're doing and they and no one could come in and do that for him. And I was like, this guy's a human beyond measure. The media loves to make him out to be a villain. He is, he is so human, so fucking amazing. Like, I, I, I straight up, I would die for him, dude, in two seconds. I'd take, I'd, I'd take a bullet in one second for him. Like, he, he, he's that good of a man. And like, I'm like, I just.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  It was, it was so special to my wife was crying like I was crying. It was just like, it was just like he, and he, he did it. He called me. He wanted to make sure I heard his pin. He put the phone, you could hear his pin up and down and up and down and up and down, up and down. Like he has, you know, 20 peaks and valleys in his signature and it's so beautiful. And, and he says, Trevor, we, everyone here loves you. You don't deserve this. I'm so sorry. And he says, he says, go tell the whole world. You should be proud of this. Go tell the whole world. And I said, you're okay. If I tell, if I, if I talk about this, I expect you to. And I was like, what a, what a, what a man. Like, I think we forgot what

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  men are. Like it's, I feel like society has dumbed men down to nothing. To almost no, no heroism anymore. No, no, no greatness, no spine, no, no character, no nothing. And I'm like, this is what our founding fathers were like. Like the guy is willing to give up his life, everything. And he's willing to save someone who's, who means nothing to him. I meant nothing to Trump. I mean, other than the story, other than he was wrong. But like he did, he, he, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't a lifelong friend of his. He did this because it was wrong. The, what they did to me was wrong. And so he, he did this because he wanted to right a wrong. And that's as godlike as they make in this world. And I'm, I'm damn proud. I, I have that, I have that, that part in him on my desk and I'm

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  blowing it up and I'm putting it on my wallet, my, in my hanger. And I'm going to blow it up to 30 feet high. And I'm going to wear it with a badge I'm on for my entire life. And I'll go down and I'll, I'll, I'll go down and die for that dude. Doesn't matter. He deserves it. He, he's earned it. I can't thank you enough for the interview. Thank you. Trevor Milton. Congrats. Thanks, Tucker.

• 1:46:46Tucker Carlson?

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