Episode 366 - Madame Viesta | OG Occult Influencer & Astral Traveler

Meet Madame Vesta La Viesta, a trailblazing mystic and self-proclaimed astral traveler who fascinated early 20th-century New York City with her cosmic adventures and spiritual teachings. As a star instructor at Harlem’s Occult School of Science, she claimed her spirit could leave her body and explore distant planets. Her otherworldly encounters included extraterrestrial beings, soul-mated couples, and the intimate phenomenon she called the “soul kiss.” Madame Viesta also promoted some unusual beauty rituals, played an unexpected role in the search for a missing plane, and documented her astral revelations in her book People of Other Worlds. Was she a visionary tapping into something beyond our reality, or a master storyteller spinning cosmic mysteries for a curious audience? Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:39Corinne Vien?

  Hello, everyone.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi, welcome back.

• 2:42Corinne Vien?

  To Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. We are you two girls, that's Corinne.

• 2:48Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and this is our ghost, Sven.

• 2:51Corinne Vien?

  This is the physical embodiment of the spirit, which is Sven.

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who might make his presence known to you while you're listening to this podcast.

• 2:59Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 3:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because he's known to be doing that.

• 3:01Corinne Vien?

  Right, and we feel kind of strongly that it is a male entity, only because, and a listener gave the name Sven before it was just like the spirit. But over the years, we have captured EVPs that other people, listeners, have pointed out in our episodes.

• 3:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 3:17Corinne Vien?

  And it is the same unidentified male voice, so, I don't know.

• 3:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, it's Sven.

• 3:23Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to you, Sven.

• 3:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wherever you are, if you're in this room with us while recording, or if you're haunting one of our listeners, we love you.

• 3:32Corinne Vien?

  And we love a good story.

• 3:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 3:37Corinne Vien?

  About a bold woman, some bold choices, all connecting back to spirituality and ghosts.

• 3:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, we do.

• 3:45Corinne Vien?

  And that is what we're going to talk about today.

• 3:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 3:47Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I put a little thought starter.

• 3:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 3:51Corinne Vien?

  For everyone.

• 3:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stir our thoughts, please.

• 3:53Corinne Vien?

  All right, so, let's plan out our weeks right now, giving everyone homework, right? Like, what are some of your to-dos on your list?

• 3:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Too many things.

• 4:00Corinne Vien?

  Mine is like, clean out the fridge, do some laundry, and a million different things for Two Girls.

• 4:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My personal to-do list is so long, because I have not tackled anything. On, like, I literally just changed my name legally back to Deana Roga after the divorce, which, I've been going through that process for how long, like?

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  Wait, but was it so easy because you didn't have to do your passport because you never changed your passport?

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I did change my passport. I still have my passport and my social security were like the only thing that I did change to Zulie.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 4:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now I finally changed my social security back, so now I have to change my passport. This is what I'm saying. My to do list is so long because I don't make time for personal to do's. I do podcast to do's.

• 4:44Corinne Vien?

  Right. I'm sure everyone's answers are very like rooted in real worlds.

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I feel like you cause stress.

• 4:50Corinne Vien?

  Sorry.

• 4:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In me personally.

• 4:53Corinne Vien?

  Well, for this woman that we are going to talk about, some of her to do's would probably include visiting Neptune or maybe spending some time on Venus.

• 5:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did she accomplish these things?

• 5:04Corinne Vien?

  Yep, they are very realistic for her.

• 5:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because those are also on my to do list, but I don't know how realistic it is.

• 5:11Corinne Vien?

  It's not going to be checked off. That's like your dream. That's a bucket list. That's not the to do list. That's her to do list.

• 5:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 5:17Corinne Vien?

  So not only typical, but very feasible for one woman living in the Upper West Side of New York City. We are going to talk about Madame Vesta La Vista. Mystic, traveler of the galaxy, and a woman who claimed to have discovered the secret to a love so powerful taught to her by beings from another planet.

• 5:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm obsessed.

• 5:40Corinne Vien?

  Right? She's so cool. And I was telling you at the time, and I'll say it now too. I was like, when I was researching this, it did feel almost like it was lore because they were so like Yale has documents on it. There was another. Okay, so Yale University Library, they have some archives. I couldn't even access everything without.

• 5:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Being a Yale student?

• 5:57Corinne Vien?

  Without being a Yale student, and then I could have requested documents, but it would have taken too long. So I didn't even get to see most of it. Boweryboys.com also had a decent amount on her. And then otherwise, there's like little tiny tidbits here and there.

• 6:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 6:09Corinne Vien?

  But nothing really comprehensive. And even in the documents from Yale University, it wasn't necessarily about her. It was like about other people at the time.

• 6:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Huh.

• 6:18Corinne Vien?

  And like she kept being like kind of a recurring player that was like involved in things. Yes, it was. It's confusing.

• 6:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it also could just be her story has been lost to time. Like people don't, didn't share it enough.

• 6:33Corinne Vien?

  Right. Because there's so much more than I want to know. It does kind of feel a little bit high level, but for someone as. Amazing as she seems to be, you would, it's still very intriguing.

• 6:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have questions. And I, yeah, I, I, I'm obsessed with her and I don't even know the story yet.

• 6:51Corinne Vien?

  Almyra Gaylord Beach, later known as Madame Vesta la Viesta, which I did look up why she chose that name and there was no information other than.

• 7:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Vesta la Viesta.

• 7:03Corinne Vien?

  Vesta la Viesta. It basically was saying like in the age of like theater and theatrics and spiritualism and stuff, people were kind of creating stage names. And so that was her chosen stage name that she thought was like very mystical sounding.

• 7:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does sound very mystical.

• 7:18Corinne Vien?

  Right. There was no more explanation outside of that.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's got like, um, carpe diem. Like live life to the fullest energy.

• 7:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Madame Vesta la Viesta, she was basically the OG or one of the OG influencers of the occult world. I would, I would like to claim her to be. So Almyra, she was active in New York City in the early 1900s. And this was a time when everything was changing in New York City. This is a city that was like vibrating with energy, you know, like literally electricity had, I think, been commercialized in like the 1880s. So it'd only been a couple of decades of literal energy and electricity, like being pumped through the city.

• 7:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I saw like a progression of time. It was on TikTok, but it was like the major cities and where people were living, like from the 1600s through the 1900s.

• 8:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh, cool.

• 8:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was just like, you see, cause it's all New England. It's like, you know, Plymouth and Salem and all of these places where people colonized early days in the 1600s. And then it slowly like, New York just like pops off 1800s into the 1900s.

• 8:26Corinne Vien?

  I wonder why.

• 8:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's, it becomes a city.

• 8:29Corinne Vien?

  Right. But I'm also just thinking back, like, I guess, like the late 1700s, there was a lot of politics happening in New York.

• 8:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And then also immigration, like Ellis Island and stuff.

• 8:38Corinne Vien?

  True. Industrial revolution. Yeah.

• 8:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What else? What are we forgetting from our history lessons?

• 8:44Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, so she's living in New York. It is like a buzzing.

• 8:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crickets.

• 8:47Corinne Vien?

  What are we forgetting from our history lessons?

• 8:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crickets.

• 8:50Corinne Vien?

  And I think with these tech advancements, people like Al Myra, who were kind of like connected to the spirit world, and we'll talk about how she was connected, are looking around and seeing these advancements, seeing energy and electricity being used in a certain way and being like, oh, that actually reminds me a lot of how like energy and vibrations work in my experience with the spirit world.

• 9:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we just recorded and it recently came out, the Patreon bonus episode about Ida Craddock. And she was in New York at this time.

• 9:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I didn't even clock that when we were recording.

• 9:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was like late eighteen, late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. She passed away in nineteen oh five.

• 9:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wow. Okay, yeah. So this is like, Al Myra came like onto the scene basically right after.

• 9:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, wow.

• 9:34Corinne Vien?

  She doesn't talk about sex, but she does talk about love.

• 9:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So great.

• 9:39Corinne Vien?

  A little different, but still continuing with something similar.

• 9:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  So by nineteen twelve, Al Myra, which I'm just gonna call her, should we call her Vesta, her

• 9:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 9:49Corinne Vien?

  Madame Vesta La Viesta. We'll call her Vesta for the rest of this episode. So Vesta, she's fifty years old and she is the star instructor at the Occult School of Science.

• 9:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does that school exist still?

• 10:01Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 10:02Corinne Vien?

  It sounds so sick, right? Like, we would wanna go. And it was kind of like a legitimate school. It wasn't like this back alley gathering. It was a legitimate school in Harlem. She was a legitimate professional. She was a professor and she had a manager, the person who owned the school or put it on, Frederick Nugent, who plays a bit of an important role in Madame Vesta or Vesta in her story. So Nugent went by Professor John Diastro. He was a notorious scammer. So he basically set up the school to be a scam.

• 10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm. What's the scam? Like, just take people's money?

• 10:39Corinne Vien?

  He definitely charged a pretty penny for classes.

• 10:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 10:42Corinne Vien?

  He just like wanted to take advantage of people, get rich. And there were classes that he put on in the school, things like methods of successful mediums where you would learn about fortune telling and palmistry. A course called the Egyptian Interpretation of Dreams and also courses on divination, which taught you how to make like certain devices.

• 11:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like Hogwarts.

• 11:02Corinne Vien?

  Truly. There was something called the gold vibrator, which sounds sexual, but it wasn't. It was a, a device that you could create to locate gold and silver ore.

• 11:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, interesting. Like metal detector almost?

• 11:15Corinne Vien?

  Basically. So it is interesting because it's like he set up the school to kind of swindle people. And yet there were courses that were like legitimate teachings and teachers like Madame Vesta La Viesta, who were identified themselves as like legitimate teachers and participants in those spaces.

• 11:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, couldn't you say like, I mean, look at college tuition these days. It is astronomical.

• 11:36Corinne Vien?

  It's also a scam.

• 11:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It kind of does feel like it still is like.

• 11:39Corinne Vien?

  It's like.

• 11:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where's all that money going?

• 11:41Corinne Vien?

  What's your mortgage? You've been here a hundred and fifty years. Everything's a scam.

• 11:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 11:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but the guy uh who created this school, he, one of his like true scams as part of the school was he would buy big uh like bulk packages, shipments of just like ordinary rocks.

• 12:01Corinne Vien?

  And he would resell them as magical good luck stones from eighteenth century Haitian leaders. So he was scamming people that way. He actually got caught. I think there was like someone investigating shipments in the US Postal Service or something. And that's how they caught him.

• 12:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 12:17Corinne Vien?

  I think they gave him a warning. This part was like a little bit muddy in the articles I was reading. I think he got like a warning or something and then basically got caught. He got sent to prison.

• 12:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For selling fake rocks.

• 12:26Corinne Vien?

  For selling fake rocks, saying that they were from eighteenth century.

• 12:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He was like the OG New York City like street sellers where they sell like fake products.

• 12:35Corinne Vien?

  Totally. He was selling rocks. Vesta, she was teaching courses where people could learn to project their energy into objects. They could melt away any real world inconveniences by sending it to the astral plane.

• 12:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is so the Montauk Project.

• 12:52Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, oh, you're right. Isn't it interesting that so many of the things like all connect together and it's all kind of the same?

• 12:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's why the universe, there's no coincidences. Yeah, it's so wild.

• 13:03Corinne Vien?

  So despite Vesta's manager and boss being a fraud, she seemed to kind of be the real deal. Or at least she was so committed to the idea that her practice and her beliefs were real, that it became a very huge part of her everyday life and basically her entire identity.

• 13:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 13:21Corinne Vien?

  Outside of the classroom, Madame Vesta La Viesta, lived in the Upper West Side apartment, where she gave lectures to rooms that looked empty to the naked eye, but she claimed were packed with astral students who had traveled from other dimensions to hear her speak.

• 13:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that for her. Like, true, yeah, so much, right? She's providing a space.

• 13:47Corinne Vien?

  Happened to her in the early nineteen hundreds.

• 13:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If there are people who want it, she's providing it.

• 13:51Corinne Vien?

  Yes. So similar to what she taught in the occult school, her lectures at home all varied, but basically all tied back to energy and vibration and vibrational techniques to make things like disease go away, debt go away in an instant, really anything.

• 14:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Some people could use this class.

• 14:11Corinne Vien?

  Right? Bring back her teachings.

• 14:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously.

• 14:14Corinne Vien?

  But if you were wondering, how the heck did she learn all this? Where did she get this information from? Well, through her research, of course. Her research, her data, came from her soul leaving her body astrally and flying through outer space. So she wasn't just like astral projecting and going and visiting her best friend or being like, ooh, let me go to some pretty beach in Italy that I saw in a magazine. She was going to wander around our galaxy.

• 14:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Again, talking about how like so many things connect, like it's kind of essentially what people are doing within the Gateway Tapes and it's all vibration and binaural beats, like the sound allowing you to leave your physical body and travel and in the Gateway Program, there are like different planets that people can access and see.

• 15:06Corinne Vien?

  This makes me so curious. Again, like, there's not enough information on her, but now I'm really curious if there was any sort of like tuning bowls or like any sort of

• 15:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was talking about vibrations.

• 15:14Corinne Vien?

  She used to get herself into the state. Like, what did she actually teach?

• 15:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She knew.

• 15:19Corinne Vien?

  OG gateway tapes. Wow, I don't know, but she was in our, she was specifically in our solar system, so she didn't like go to faraway galaxies or like all throughout the Milky Way.

• 15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is that what she thinks? She thinks she was in her, our solar system.

• 15:34Corinne Vien?

  True.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 15:35Corinne Vien?

  Who knows?

• 15:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who knows?

• 15:37Corinne Vien?

  In nineteen oh four, she called the cosmological center and described a recent vacation she took to Mars and Venus via astral projection.

• 15:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Vacation.

• 15:46Corinne Vien?

  Uh huh. Yeah, a trip, a fake. So keep in mind, this is nineteen oh four. No man has stepped on the moon. We don't have high resolution photos from the Mars rover. Satellites and other manmade objects wouldn't even be launched into space for a few more decades.

• 16:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 16:02Corinne Vien?

  So like, we were not in space.

• 16:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 16:06Corinne Vien?

  With telescopes, with theories.

• 16:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 16:08Corinne Vien?

  That's about it. So.

• 16:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Madame, Vesta la Viesta is traveling through space.

• 16:14Corinne Vien?

  Right, exactly. As scientists are speculating about planetary systems and how space itself works, Vesta is like, oh, I've been going to these planets. I've been talking to people on these planets.

• 16:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Done that.

• 16:24Corinne Vien?

  This kind of reminds me of the smiling man now.

• 16:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The smiling man?

• 16:28Corinne Vien?

  You covered it a few years ago. The smiling man, um.

• 16:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, you mean Project Lanylos?

• 16:34Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 16:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Indrid, Indrid Cold?

• 16:35Corinne Vien?

  Indrid Cold.

• 16:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:37Corinne Vien?

  Who went to different planets.

• 16:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:40Corinne Vien?

  And basically was talking, like he was a being on another.

• 16:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, Lanylos.

• 16:45Corinne Vien?

  Lanylos.

• 16:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:46Corinne Vien?

  It's actually quite similar, actually. Now that I'm really thinking about it, what she says.

• 16:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everything's connected.

• 16:51Corinne Vien?

  This is like the episode where it does feel like so much is good acting.

• 16:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's all connected. Everyone goes mad.

• 16:58Corinne Vien?

  So not only did she claim to speak to different beings on these planets, but she understood understood or was like introduced to the society and like how their culture and society were.

• 17:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was it telepathic communication? Because that was very, that was like the whole thing with Project Lanylos.

• 17:12Corinne Vien?

  Maybe she didn't straight out say that. But how she talks about beings connecting makes you think that it probably is telepathic. She like essentially describes that.

• 17:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 17:23Corinne Vien?

  Without outwardly saying it.

• 17:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 17:24Corinne Vien?

  So one of the planets she said that she'd been to is Venus. And now Venus is the Roman goddess of love, desire, sex and fertility. So we probably shouldn't be too surprised that Vesta claimed that on planet Venus, the inhabitants, the aliens there are all soul mated couples. But they aren't just married or in some like binding union. They are physically connected. And this reminded me of.

• 17:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Avatar?

• 17:50Corinne Vien?

  Avatar. Literally it reminded me of Avatar.

• 17:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is the what does it remind you of episode?

• 17:57Corinne Vien?

  Like, there is so many connections, but like, again, this happened in like nineteen oh four to like nineteen twenty, basically.

• 18:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:04Corinne Vien?

  She described them as having, quote, flexible astral and psychological tubing that was invisible, but like connected their bodies. So you're essentially tethered to your partner. And no matter where you are, what you're doing, what you're thinking, what you're experiencing, are you hungry? Your partner will know.

• 18:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think a lot of people hearing this.

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  Partner will know.

• 18:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would probably be like very against this idea.

• 18:30Corinne Vien?

  Very stressed. But I think that similar to the episode on Andrew Cold, the smiling man on Planet Lanyos. Cause we talked a lot about like not wanting people to hear our like intrusive thoughts or like inner thoughts on stuff. But like the whole point of that episode was like, there is some sort of higher level of like love and consciousness and.

• 18:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because nothing is.

• 18:49Corinne Vien?

  It's very pleuribus.

• 18:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is. Yeah. Oh, that is. God damn.

• 18:55Corinne Vien?

  God damn. And I think that that's essentially what people were going through here. So like, while we in our human forms are like, oh my God, that would be horrifying.

• 19:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Privacy, independence.

• 19:03Corinne Vien?

  Like I did, I didn't mean that thought. I don't want that to like ruin what we have or whatever.

• 19:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're all.

• 19:08Corinne Vien?

  They are very connected and they basically like become one shared entity.

• 19:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 19:13Corinne Vien?

  She saw soulmates living in perfect harmony, connected by these vibrational chords. And that's where I was saying that this reminded me when we were recording your. Patreon episode for March, I was saying like, oh, this reminds me of the episode that I am about to talk about. Because Ida in your episode was not sure where her partner had come from.

• 19:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 19:35Corinne Vien?

  And his like astral being and energy. And this reminded me of this part where it's like, maybe this entity was from another planet and they were just like tethered in that way. Because of where she went and how she behaved in like the energetic field.

• 19:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also if you think of reincarnation, just because like of the universe being infinite, is your soul reincarnated from something that existed here? Or could it be something from the universe?

• 20:03Corinne Vien?

  Right. I mean, there are plenty of people who are like, oh, I used to live on Mars.

• 20:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 20:08Corinne Vien?

  Or you still live in a different version.

• 20:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No idea.

• 20:09Corinne Vien?

  There are people who go to sleep and wake up and are like, I'm in a completely different timeline.

• 20:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have no answers, but everything is connected.

• 20:15Corinne Vien?

  Everything is connected. Okay, so this all sounds really beautiful, right?

• 20:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:19Corinne Vien?

  And like, you know, we're coming off of Ida's experience that you shared. Now we have Vesta's experience where it's like, aliens and energy and other worlds. Like, it seems so wonderful and beautiful. Right. Like, there's this like other world and vibration that we can get to if we allow ourselves to.

• 20:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:36Corinne Vien?

  But to give you some perspective, so this is the very early 1900s. When Vesta is talking about all this, this is happening at the time of the Van Meter incident, which we covered on episode 330. And just as a refresher, there was a small coal town in Van Meter, Iowa, where on September 29th, 1903, a businessman named Eugene Griffith saw a blinding light. A beam was cutting through the cornfields. He grabbed his shotgun, saw an eight foot tall creature that looked like a man, but had massive bat-like wings, a glowing horn. It like basically acted like a lighthouse. It was like a huge search beam. He was scared, fired his gun, creature didn't flinch. It looked at him and then vanished.

• 21:19Corinne Vien?

  And then over the next few days in Van Meter, Iowa, the town's doctor, the local banker, a bunch of different people saw this creature and described it as smelling really sulfuric, like having this rotting stench to it. Bullets would seemingly be unaffected to the creature. And it scared a lot of people.

• 21:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Surely.

• 21:40Corinne Vien?

  So this is happening at the same time. The Vestas like aliens are in love with one another and connected on a whole different plane. And then other people in middle America are like terrified by these extraterrestrial creatures. So there's a huge juxtaposition between like, what is an alien?

• 21:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 21:59Corinne Vien?

  Like, what are we connecting to? What are we calling to our planet?

• 22:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. While still also not even understanding space.

• 22:06Corinne Vien?

  Right. That didn't change Madame Vestalabiesta's.

• 22:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course not.

• 22:11Corinne Vien?

  View at all.

• 22:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's having a great time.

• 22:13Corinne Vien?

  She's having a great time. And also she's not just chilling in Iowa. Like she is actually projecting and like literally going to these creatures. I'm calling them creatures. That feels really rude for some reason.

• 22:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But also who knows if they're the same entities.

• 22:28Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah.

• 22:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You don't know who lives on Venus versus who lives on.

• 22:32Corinne Vien?

  We don't.

• 22:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mars.

• 22:33Corinne Vien?

  So she also learned through her travels that these aliens meant no harm, that they had a greater understanding of love, care and connection. And from these beings, she learned about something called the soul kiss.

• 22:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 22:48Corinne Vien?

  In 1907, she revealed to the world that she had taken an actual voyage to Neptune. So Venus is for lovers, but Neptune is also for lovers.

• 22:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Jupiter is where boys go to get stupider.

• 23:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, exactly. And Mars filled with candy bars.

• 23:07Corinne Vien?

  She said that she was taught the secret of the soul kiss on Neptune by her affinity on that planet, quote affinity. So your affinity is basically, it's like your soulmate.

• 23:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, which I like the way that she worded it because it implies that she has men on all planets.

• 23:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's connected.

• 23:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's got digits.

• 23:31Corinne Vien?

  She described it as a rapturous and strangely indescribable form of love.

• 23:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 23:37Corinne Vien?

  And she also said the soul kiss is not like a, a physical like mouth to mouth situation like we would know kissing to be in our human form on planet Earth. But instead it involved an aroused nervous system, some cellular breathing, which I don't really know what that means, and a wireless transmission of love.

• 23:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which does seem way more powerful than love that we know of.

• 24:05Corinne Vien?

  It also sounds similar to what she learned.

• 24:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In Venus?

• 24:08Corinne Vien?

  In Venus, where it's like there's some sort of like wireless

• 24:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Connection.

• 24:11Corinne Vien?

  Connection here, like you're spiritually plugged into the other person.

• 24:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:15Corinne Vien?

  Which again, like, kind of goes back to electricity being brought into New York and kind of seeing how it's all. We got telephones being a part of life back then, like, things are, things are happening. So she claimed that if you tuned your vibrations correctly, you could feel the love of your affinity, AKA your soulmate, no matter where you were in the galaxy.

• 24:39Corinne Vien?

  Which is interesting because on Venus, she suggested that there was one eternal love match, which would suggest that in all of the galaxy, you only have one.

• 24:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or in Venus, you mate for life.

• 24:51Corinne Vien?

  So does it ma- like, what planet are you on?

• 24:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which doesn't mean that you only have one soulmate, but it's just that you have one person that you connect to and you stay with for your life.

• 25:01Corinne Vien?

  You imprint on, like Twilight. How many more references can we, can we make? It's actually the whole vibration thing. I know mostly magnetism was spoken about in the episode, but like the coral, coral castle.

• 25:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was thinking about that, too.

• 25:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, where the guy was lifting stones and

• 25:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With vibration.

• 25:18Corinne Vien?

  With vibration. He was like, if you just tune into it.

• 25:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How do we tune in?

• 25:22Corinne Vien?

  How do we?

• 25:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The gateway tapes. That's how.

• 25:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 25:33Corinne Vien?

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• 25:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 26:46Corinne Vien?

  So again, like she worked for a scammer, but like it seems like she's not a scammer. But even if she was a scammer, this next part, I love her for, and I accept it as full truth.

• 26:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She also doesn't seem like she's stealing money. Like it feels like she's just like speaking her beliefs. And like she's teaching to a seemingly empty room.

• 27:09Corinne Vien?

  That's true. How's she gonna charge them?

• 27:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 27:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, she can't. So in the beginning, I called her an OG influencer of the occult. We can also say that she was a skincare girly.

• 27:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 27:19Corinne Vien?

  She was an influencer. She came out with the ultimate beauty secret for age-defying beauty.

• 27:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What was it?

• 27:25Corinne Vien?

  As the warmth of the day subsides and nightfall has appropriately hidden your backyard, or your patio, or something, you're a fire escape in your city.

• 27:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Corinne Vien?

  Undress completely. Stand in your yard. Allow the dewdrops to collect all over you.

• 27:43Corinne Vien?

  Or simply wake early enough in the morning before others and press your nude body against the dew-filled grass.

• 27:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hydration.

• 27:50Corinne Vien?

  For dew holds a vibrational essence of morning and by letting it absorb through your skin, you are recharging your astral beauty.

• 27:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was basically onto hyaluronic acid before we were.

• 28:02Corinne Vien?

  People literally did this. They took her word for it, which some people might be like, oh my God, that's so ridiculous. But remember that we are currently putting snail mucin all over our faces.

• 28:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And what's, what's it called? Salmon sperm.

• 28:15Corinne Vien?

  And salmon sperm, like dew is way less wild than what we're doing today.

• 28:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 28:21Corinne Vien?

  There's a picture if you're watching on YouTube, but like, look at this like little drawing of a woman just like pressing her body against the grass.

• 28:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I was picturing them naked.

• 28:30Corinne Vien?

  Well, because she instructs people to be naked.

• 28:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but not everyone was doing it naked.

• 28:33Corinne Vien?

  Well, I guess a lot of people probably couldn't find an opportunity to not be seen.

• 28:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And they also wouldn't advertise a naked woman in the 1900s, early 1900s.

• 28:42Corinne Vien?

  Very faux pas.

• 28:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In a cartoon drawing.

• 28:45Corinne Vien?

  Exactly. I did find it interesting that like, you know, she's going to all of these planets. She has like this understanding of like love and being like beyond yourself, but she's still a woman of her time and looking.

• 28:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's still got her meat suit that she's trying to take care of.

• 28:59Corinne Vien?

  Looking young is also a priority. And so.

• 29:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You can't escape a society.

• 29:04Corinne Vien?

  You can't. Okay. But I think we can all agree that she's a little zany. She's a little fun. She's a great time.

• 29:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's one of us.

• 29:11Corinne Vien?

  And I wouldn't categorize, kind of like what you were saying with, it didn't seem like she was a scammer because she wasn't like charging a lot of people.

• 29:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also like, this is a free, anyone can do themselves.

• 29:21Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 29:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's not creating a product.

• 29:23Corinne Vien?

  And press your nude body against dew.

• 29:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. That's free.

• 29:27Corinne Vien?

  It's free information.

• 29:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's not gatekeeping.

• 29:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So to that point, I wouldn't categorize much of her teachings as like doing any harm to people.

• 29:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:36Corinne Vien?

  And soon, Vesta's talents would be put to the test. So in the Yale University Library, there is a correspondence, or there's like reference to a correspondence. There was supposedly photos of the correspondence, but I couldn't access it because I'm not a Yale student.

• 29:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. But if you're a Yale student.

• 29:54Corinne Vien?

  Help me.

• 29:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Access it for us.

• 29:56Corinne Vien?

  God, there were so many pictures attached to the thing and I couldn't, I couldn't open any of them. This is so depressing. Open it up, Yale. Why are you gatekeeping knowledge?

• 30:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good question.

• 30:05Corinne Vien?

  Especially about this. Like, is this really the topic that you, you wanna like have behind a paywall?

• 30:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Although, to be fair, if they have a lot of things behind a paywall, they're not gonna like go in and manually like, ooh, this one should be available.

• 30:17Corinne Vien?

  Right. How about that psychic lady who went to other planets and pressed her naked body against you? Release it to the world. So apparently there's a photo of a correspondence, but in what I could see, there was written reference between Madame Vesta La Viesta and a man named Stanley Yale Beach. And so the Yale University Library is mostly about Stanley Yale Beach and then just has references to Vesta. But Stanley, he was a big deal back in his day. He was an aviator, an inventor. He was the grandson of a famous publisher. He was a man of science, engineering, aeronautics. He was also Almyra's friend, or Vesta's friend, sorry. I guess it was Almyra to him.

• 30:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, Almyra too, yeah.

• 31:01Corinne Vien?

  And I'll say this, I'm not sure if he had all of these accolades under his belt yet when we get into this part of the information on Vesta, but apparently in some sort of format, he was working as her secretary? And I don't know if that's because he like wasn't, he was like working towards something in his own career and that was just like a gig he had? Or if it was like they were friends and he was just like, I'll do a couple hours of work for you a week or whatever. I don't know.

• 31:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that she had a secretary. I really do.

• 31:31Corinne Vien?

  She did. And he was using her letterhead.

• 31:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stop.

• 31:35Corinne Vien?

  Her, her like occultish spiritualism letterhead for his own personal correspondences to others, which were usually about aeronautics and engineering. So he was like, had these like nerdy like.

• 31:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it.

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. He was going back and forth with all these people within that world with like really brilliant ideas, like drawing things out. And it was on Madame Vesta La Viesta's letter.

• 31:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that so much.

• 32:00Corinne Vien?

  Anyway, in nineteen twenty seven, there were two French aviators, Charles Nunez-Sir and Francois Coley. I'm sure I didn't pronounce, pronounce either of those correctly. They took off on a plane called the White Bird. Here goes my French pronunciation. Le Sur Blanc.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 32:19Corinne Vien?

  And they were attempting a transatlantic flight, but they vanished somewhere over the Atlantic. And with this disappearance, Stanley Yelbeach, he started to investigate, trying to figure out like where these guys went. Where did this ghost flight go? Where did they go down potentially? So he turned to his psychic friend, Amira Vesta, Madame Vesta La Vieste, and asked her to use her astral projection abilities to locate the plane. And this is where it's upsetting because there's really not much information on what she comes back with.

• 32:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh geez.

• 32:49Corinne Vien?

  But apparently she claimed essentially that the ethers held all of the answers, but sometimes the universe just swallows things whole. And even the most talented of astral projectors or astral travelers can't always bring people home in that way.

• 33:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 33:06Corinne Vien?

  Which I guess makes sense.

• 33:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, even like

• 33:08Corinne Vien?

  She wasn't making people rise from the dead or like.

• 33:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And even with psychics today, because there are many in history and even to this day, like there are a lot of investigators who do turn to like trusted psychics for help in cases or like families will turn to psychics and like, yes, we know there's a lot of like scammers out there, but there is evidence of like Alison Dubois, who the show Medium was inspired by, is a real medium who has helped find evidence of like things.

• 33:37Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 33:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that doesn't mean they can help with every single case.

• 33:40Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 33:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That doesn't mean the spirits are really coming through or coming clearly.

• 33:44Corinne Vien?

  There's so many missing people every single day.

• 33:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And chaos.

• 33:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In that world.

• 33:50Corinne Vien?

  I am curious what's going to come of, and you know, like we're recording this a month in advance. So maybe we'll have answers to it by the time that this episode comes out, but while recording this, Nancy Guthrie is still missing.

• 34:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 34:03Corinne Vien?

  But apparently she has been so vocal to a bunch of different mediums that a lot of people are coming forward with the same information, saying that her in spirit form is, she's telling them this. So we'll see where she's found and see if it matches.

• 34:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so hard when like something is so in the public eye too, to trust all of that. Cause it's like, is this real information or is this someone who's like feeding on the limelight?

• 34:31Corinne Vien?

  Or just like it's in the back of your mind because you're seeing it so much that like you dream about it or

• 34:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Subconsciously, yeah.

• 34:37Corinne Vien?

  Like some things just, you're suddenly reminded of it and you misinterpret it as a message.

• 34:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's tough. Okay, so she went to a bunch of other planets. She had all this knowledge of like the plants and different like flora and fauna and the different people that she saw on her astral travels and she published a book, People of the Other Worlds, chronicling it.

• 34:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 34:57Corinne Vien?

  So she is this woman in New York City telling people that she regularly travels in her astral body to other planets. She's giving beauty advice that involves rubbing your naked body on morning dew. She seems to understand true love, soul ties, and can use her own soul powers to rid herself of life's inconveniences like debt within a second. She's being consulted on serious matters like a missing plane and she really just seems to be living with one foot in our world and one foot in another planet, like somewhere, somewhere else.

• 35:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Multiple other planets.

• 35:30Corinne Vien?

  In the universe. So what happened to Madame Vesta La Vieste?

• 35:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good question. I want to know.

• 35:38Corinne Vien?

  Well, her manager and employer at the occult school went to prison and that school faded away, but she kept going. So apparently she continued to share her spiritual guidance with people like Stanley Yale Beach and others until she one day just disappeared from the public record. So I have no idea what happened to her. And again, this is why I was telling you before, I was like, this so feels like lore because there's just not enough information. It's like

• 36:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there is enough.

• 36:05Corinne Vien?

  The story just suddenly stops.

• 36:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there's enough real references to her.

• 36:09Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That she is real.

• 36:11Corinne Vien?

  I know. It's just confusing because even in the Yale University documents, it's not like, I'm sure it would feel more real to me if I had access to the actual articles and correspondence.

• 36:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The letterhead and yeah.

• 36:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but it was all like, he apparently was her secretary. It was like a lot of like, it is said that this.

• 36:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 36:27Corinne Vien?

  Instead of he was this, she was that.

• 36:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I do think this is evidence of, think about how many people currently exist in the world today. And how many people have existed in the world going back in history? You think of like ancient Egypt, you know of like King Tut, but you don't know about like the layperson.

• 36:48Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 36:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who might have had some type of influence on King Tut.

• 36:53Corinne Vien?

  And there are probably a lot of kings we don't even know about. We just know about King Tut.

• 36:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And whatever. But like, I think the point being, there are so many people who exist today. There are so many people who exist in the past. That unfortunately, we will never really know everyone's stories.

• 37:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the way that like, one person may have impacted an infamous person. But the reason we know, the, the people we do know about very well is because they were either in positions of power or they had so, so many like writings and documents that they shared with the world. And even going back to the March Patreon bonus, Ida Craddock has so many pamphlets and things that she has written. And still, we haven't heard of her until

• 37:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  doing that research, you know?

• 37:37Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So that doesn't mean she doesn't, she didn't exist. It just means that unfortunately, you had to be there to really know her.

• 37:45Corinne Vien?

  If you know, you know.

• 37:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, insider.

• 37:48Corinne Vien?

  But it is frustrating when the trail is just like lost. Yeah, goes cold. What else happened?

• 37:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 37:55Corinne Vien?

  Some people have made jokes that she just finally stayed on one of the planets that she loved so much.

• 37:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, half the time, I, I wish I lived on another planet.

• 38:03Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 38:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With way less of the human issues that we have.

• 38:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 38:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 38:09Corinne Vien?

  All to say, Madame Vesta La Viesta's story, like I said before, she's a little bit fun, she's a little bit zany. But I think we can all appreciate that for a moment of time in history, when it certainly wasn't popular to go against the grain, a woman stood her ground and said, there's more to life, there's more to the world. And I will show you if you just dare to believe a little.

• 38:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Oh, I do believe that she probably did have like so many journals and diaries. And it's like, where did those go? Are they at the bottom of landfills? Are they just decaying somewhere? Are they in someone's basement?

• 38:43Corinne Vien?

  I hope they're like in an attic and like this old trunk that someone hasn't gone through yet. And one day they're gonna crack it open and they're gonna be like. It's gonna be the right person.

• 38:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I saw on TikTok, there was someone who like was renovating their stairwell and they picked up like one of the planks of wood. And in like underneath the stairs were like old articles, like a box with shoes. And like all these mementos from like the eighteen hundreds.

• 39:12Corinne Vien?

  So freaking cool.

• 39:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like you don't.

• 39:16Corinne Vien?

  God, I wish.

• 39:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't know, because you're not just like, if you have a house, you're not just like tearing apart walls unless you're doing massive renovations. Like you're like, I'm living here and I'm gonna sleep in my fully walled house. But yeah, you don't know what's behind the walls.

• 39:31Corinne Vien?

  A video a couple of days ago, someone doing a renovation in their house and it was just like, they took off just like a small piece in their wall and a bunch of like dollar bills and quarters were coming out. And someone commented saying, my house says that this is AI. So it's like, you don't try to tear apart your house for, to find all the treasure.

• 39:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But people also did that. People hid their money in walls.

• 39:51Corinne Vien?

  They did.

• 39:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They didn't trust banks.

• 39:53Corinne Vien?

  Right. I was so curious like what time period that came from because it wasn't like they were hundred dollar bills or like a sizable amount of cash. It was probably like, I don't know, fifty bucks or so to come out of that wall.

• 40:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's funny, when we were in London for my dad's birthday, my sister's husband Johnny, I guess, had like a bunch of old euros from the last time he was in London, which must have been, I don't know, fifteen years ago. And he tried to use his old euros and they were like, we don't accept this. Like, they're like, this is not in circulation anymore. Like, I think he probably.

• 40:24Corinne Vien?

  What do you mean you don't accept?

• 40:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like the, the bill itself has changed.

• 40:28Corinne Vien?

  So what, did everyone have to just go like exchange their old bills for new ones?

• 40:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I think like if he took it to a bank, he probably could have gotten it exchanged, but like he was like, I'm not gonna do this.

• 40:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that wild?

• 40:39Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 40:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:40Corinne Vien?

  Because that, that's like something that I'm, I don't do it anymore, but like when I was younger, every place that we traveled to, I'd keep like five dollars worth of money or whatever, like go to Croatia, keep like five bucks in like coins and like a couple like bills or whatever.

• 40:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People collect it. Yeah.

• 40:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, I have a listener story that I picked a long time ago, so I don't necessarily know the reason I picked it, but I was drawn to it. This is from our listener anonymous. It is called Past Lives, Demonic Attachments, Possession, Generational Witches, Ghost Encounters and More.

• 41:12Corinne Vien?

  Wow, that's a lot.

• 41:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've got a lot here. Hi girlies. I am a witch by lineage through my mom and boy, do I have some stories. I'll start at the beginning and I'll lay this out in parts like an essay. So it's easier for you to read. So it starts with part one, Past Lives and Bloodline. Growing up, I knew my family was different. After my mom and dad divorced, my mom started being more open about her beliefs and practices. I was only four when they divorced, so honestly, her practices are kind of all I ever knew. She loved bringing us to local psychics and mediums, using tarot cards and pendulums and dowsing rods. And wow, she has an impressive crystal collection. But anyway, that's how I grew up. She started bringing us to local psychic fairs. And when I was a little older, we would get our aura readings done, as well as other types of readings.

• 41:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I had no reason to get readings so young. So my first one wasn't until I was a little older. But I would sit with her while she got her readings or I'd walk around with my sisters admiring the crystals. This is where I knew our magic lay, in divination and mediumship. But one recurring thing from when I was a baby was whenever one of us burned ourselves or got a scrape that hurt, my mom would gently hold the area and whisper to it and then gently blow on it. She wouldn't tell me what she was saying, but that when I was older, I would find my own words for it. We called it Talking the Fire Out.

• 42:33Corinne Vien?

  I love this.

• 42:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Her mother did it for her and told her the same thing, that when she got older, she would find her own words for it. I don't know how, but every time she would talk the fire out, it worked and it wouldn't hurt anymore. Chalk it up to being a global child or a mother's love, but I still use this and I swear it helps. I'm in my mid twenties now and I have found my own words to say. And if you ever want to try this on your own spooky kids, maybe, I will leave you to figure out what to say as well, because that is the tradition. It's like a very beautiful, it's like talking to your plants.

• 43:04Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 43:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Healing energy.

• 43:06Corinne Vien?

  I love that it's like knowledge that just comes to you when you need it, when you're older.

• 43:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 43:10Corinne Vien?

  Too. Like you witness before it becomes a part of you.

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Aside from knowing my mother and hers were witches, though we didn't know that was the word that they were, we called it being psychic forever. But no, I know, they're all witches. I know it goes back for many generations. My family is heavily Celtic and mostly comes from Ireland and Scotland. I have a friend who I will call Ella, who is a very unique gift and I'm blessed to know her. I won't tell her her whole story because it's not mine to tell, but all I can say is that she is one of the most powerful people I've ever met. She has the ability to talk and see and feel ghosts, but can look into your past lives and family history as well.

• 43:50Corinne Vien?

  Whoa.

• 43:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mentioned to her one time how I just know I come from a family of witches and nonchalantly she said, yeah, I know. It's an ancient lineage too. It goes way back. I'm like, excuse me, girl. Hello? Can you elaborate?

• 44:05Corinne Vien?

  Also like share the information as soon as it comes to you. My gosh.

• 44:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but it's also like spiritual consent of like.

• 44:11Corinne Vien?

  I know ethically they can't, but I would want that shared with me.

• 44:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But Ella did share. Basically, I have an ancestor named Isla, Isla. I'm sorry if I'm not saying that right. She had three daughters, which I am one of three sisters. So the number three being like a big part of their lineage. The name of the daughters were, I'm gonna butcher these, Diney, Mobile and Sorcha.

• 44:36Corinne Vien?

  Whoa.

• 44:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they're like Celtic names. Isla was one of the strongest witches in my lineage and started her own coven, which included her daughters when they became of age. She was a witch and a druid. She did tarot, spells, had prophetic dreams, was clairvoyant among others. But eventually she was accused of witchcraft and went on the run. Now, when I heard this, I was shocked. I'd always felt that my family's witch lineage was deep, but I never imagined how far back. I believe this went back to the 1400s, 1500s. And something that really caught my eye was that the powers that Isla had, I immediately said, wow, we share the same gifts. Aside from being druid, which I am not, Ella confirmed that yes, I believe you are her and that you are here to ensure the craft lives on in your family.

• 45:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh my God. Also, sorry, I just had to look at the pronunciations because I was so curious and I'm probably still gonna butcher this. They're Gaelic and the one that's like Donad or whatever is Jeanet.

• 45:36Corinne Vien?

  Apparently.

• 45:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 45:38Corinne Vien?

  That still might be wrong. Um, the one that says that looks like Moibio is Moball or Moiball.

• 45:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 45:45Corinne Vien?

  So close. Then the one that looks like Sorcha is Circa.

• 45:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn.

• 45:53Corinne Vien?

  I'm still probably saying them wrong, but yeah.

• 45:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Another thing that stood out to me was one of the daughter's names felt very connected to my mother's because of the middle name, which I'm not going to share out of privacy's sake. The other two daughters were now my sisters, according to Ella. This is not the only two lifetimes we've been together either. When I was younger, I was very possessive over my mother to an alarming degree. And after my parents divorce, I freaked out whenever she even talked to a man, which obviously was caused by the divorce, but it was more than that. My mom got a past life reading done when I was around eight or nine. And in it, they said that we shared past lives. I only distinctly remember two of them. But the first one I remember hearing about was that I was a male child of my mother and I was sent away at a young age to be a monk and never saw my family again.

• 46:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The second, however, was much darker. And there's content warning for domestic abuse, but this was during the Civil War. I was a soldier and my mom was my wife. We had two children who happened to be my sisters in this life. And apparently I was not a kind husband and I was very abusive of all three.

• 46:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, man.

• 47:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My wife would put herself in front of the children to protect them. And we were told that I was reincarnated as her youngest child because of this, to teach me that I do not own her and I have no power to treat anyone that way. Which is interesting because she felt so like possessive of her mom after the divorce. Anytime I came back as a man, I was basically sent away or I was an abusive person. But as a woman, I was powerful and kind. It's as if my soul knows I'm not supposed to be a man and that I have work to do here as a female witch for my family. Interesting.

• 47:32Corinne Vien?

  That is interesting.

• 47:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Powerful woman witchcraft lineage. Okay, now for the demonic attachment story.

• 47:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mentioned how most of my gifts are divination. I can read auras and have prophetic dreams. My oldest sister, however, differs. Her gifts are strongest when it comes to spirits. And when I was little, I had severe anxiety of everything, like so bad that at the age of 10, I refused to leave my house one day or even go down near the windows and doors because I was terrified I was going to be shot. Because of this fear, I shut basically any capability to see or talk to ghosts. I can hear them, but that's the extent of it. The only way I can see them is if it's my grandparents who visit me in dreams. And I am not keen to switching that flip back on either. My sister, however, is the opposite. She has been seeing and talking to ghosts since she was a child, so much so that my mom's adult friends ask her for help.

• 48:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, my mom had this specific friend who had two kids. One was my age and a girl who was a couple of years older than my older sister. We were all good friends. And we'll call my mom's friend Pam. She was in an unhealthy, abusive marriage that I still don't know much about, but their house is a beacon for dark energy because of it. Pam got her daughter, who we'll call Jenny, a spellbook one day just to explore. But she was unaware that this book had dark magic spelled in it, even a death spell.

• 48:54Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 48:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, after a bad breakup, Jenny was feeling angry and decided to test that specific spell out. She got halfway through before changing her mind and stopping the spell. Notice how I said stop. She did not finish the spell, which meant that she left open a portal. Jenny was young and didn't really realize the ramifications of her actions. She, to her, basically had just gotten a new cookbook and was excited and didn't understand the power behind it.

• 49:21Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 49:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which allowed a dark, demonic, I believe demonic entity to come through the portal and attach itself to her. At first, they didn't notice anything, but slowly this entity started showing itself. The energy in their house became suffocating. Jenny started acting aggressive and irrational. They could see something dark near her out of the corner of their eye or during quick glances. Jenny had posters above her head of Shirley Temple. And one day, upon coming home from school, these posters were scratched to make Shirley Temple have demonic smile and eyes. Jenny did not do this. Neither had Jenny's younger sister. No one had. Posters and crosses would randomly be turned upside down. It was getting really, really bad. They even tried throwing the spellbook away, and it kept coming back, showing up in her room.

• 50:08Corinne Vien?

  That is so scary.

• 50:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Obviously afraid of any escalation, they went to a priest and got holy water. But either they didn't get enough, or it just did not work. This thing would not leave. Jenny started feeling really depressed and things were getting even worse. So Pam reached out to my mom, because they were best friends. And my mom sent in my oldest sister to get a feel for things. I also like, it's her older sister, but it's, she's still like, young.

• 50:34Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 50:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My oldest sister knew immediately that this was demonic and immediately got a reading for how it got attached. So they planned to have a sleepover to get this thing the fuck out. They started when the sun went down. My sister had holy water. She was talking to the spirit, telling it to leave, asking why it was here, what it wanted. She was praying, putting all of her intentions towards removing this entity. She knew about the spell and the book, so she decided to try and burn the page of that specific spell to close it. She literally held a lighter to it and the page would not burn.

• 51:06Corinne Vien?

  This is so freaky.

• 51:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 51:09Corinne Vien?

  Because it's like, whatever this attachment was, is trying to use the bad parts of this book.

• 51:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I honestly am getting like nauseous reading this part of the story.

• 51:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My sister's not dramatic. She's humble and being the oldest has always tried to protect me from scary things. She has never made stories scarier or lied. So everything she says, I 100% believe her. And there were these other two witnesses, Jenny and Pam. When she realized the page was not burning, she had another idea. There was a church across the street from Jenny's house, so she grabbed the book, went to the church parking lot. And in the parking lot, they tried to burn the page again. They figured maybe being in the parking lot would help, but nope, still would not burn. This is when they decided, fuck it, burning the whole book. So they built a fire pit and threw the book in, which made the cops come. Pam had to come out to tell the cops what was happening. And the cops let them go with a, with a little bit of a warning.

• 52:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The book resisted the fire for a while until finally it started to catch fire. But just as it started catching, the flame shaped into a figure looking like the Grim Reaper. All three women saw this. They looked at each other to confirm. But finally, the book did burn. The book finally burned and they left it at that, going inside and splashing holy water around the house. I'm not sure how things ended, but I do know we didn't hear about this entity again. Jenny and Pam are doing well, so I guess they closed the portal. Again, my sister is not someone to embellish stories and I have witnessed her in action before. All I know is I think two people's lives were saved by burning that book.

• 52:42Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god, it's wild. Oh, it's so devastating because the book itself didn't seem evil. It was like the entity that attached itself. And so like, that's an amazingly grimoire that's been lost due to the threat of something else using it.

• 52:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it also does prove how powerful the spells in that book were. That if not completed, a demonic entity could come through and be attached to it.

• 53:10Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 53:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wild.

• 53:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, man.

• 53:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It goes back to like always set intentions and always close out communication. End your sessions. Okay, so this is the last little blurb and it's about Anonymous's personal experiences, which include a possession, maybe. An additional possession, because we just have one. So because of me blocking off the part of my mind that is able to see and talk to ghosts, I don't have many personal encounters. The few that I do have are pretty tame compared to my sister, as well as compared to my best friend in high school, who I'll call Amy. Amy has had a lot of experiences throughout the years. I also love that this listener is cosmically tied to and continued to be introduced to other wishy people.

• 53:55Corinne Vien?

  Meant to be.

• 53:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Meant to be. So Amy could see and feel them, but she refused to talk to the spirits because she was afraid that they would say something like, "You will die in seven days."

• 54:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Amy did have a couple of ghosts attached to her. Again, I never really experienced them. However, I can tell you what I did experience. One night, Amy and I were having a sleepover. It was a school night and we were always sleeping over each other's houses. We were at my house, which was haunted by a couple of spirits and that them malicious. We were laughing, giggling, probably on my phone, scrolling Facebook, you know, when Amy grabbed my phone and started scrolling on it. She was laughing, acting normal, when all of a sudden, she paused. I assumed she was just reading whatever was on the screen, because one second ago, we were literally laughing next to each other. But then I realized something had shifted. She was still laughing, but she wasn't moving. Like, her whole body and face were still, but laughter was coming out.

• 54:50Corinne Vien?

  Ew, I would think I was having a seizure or something if I witnessed that.

• 54:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I think she thought something was medically wrong with Amy. All of a sudden, the laughter stopped. And I thought, what is going on? Her eyes were wide open, and now she's staring into the corner of my room, not blinking. I knew something was off. And I scare easily. So when I saw her face, I thought maybe she was messing with me. So I grabbed my phone, I turned on the flashlight and started doing things to make her laugh, or blink, or move. I had my flashlight on her face and she literally wouldn't blink. She would not move. No smile, nothing. She was clearly not messing with me.

• 55:28Corinne Vien?

  So creepy.

• 55:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I started shaking her and just yelling repeatedly, "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!", whatever this spirit was.

• 55:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Then, as I'm screaming, she comes to and looks at me and says, "What? What is wrong?" Now, I was like, "Bitch, what the hell is wrong with you?" She was completely confused, had no idea why I was freaking out, had no idea what was happening. Last thing she remembered, she was just scrolling through my phone. And I was like, "No, you completely blacked out and were staring at the corner in a trance." She has no idea what happened. But it never happened again. The other really notable experience I had was also with Amy. We had quite the teenage friendship. We were best friends, inseparable, always at each other's houses. But we would fight and then hate each other for a couple of weeks and months, and then get back to being friends. And this was a constant cycle.

• 56:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So this next story happened when we were in one of our fights, when we weren't friends. I was at my house, hanging out in my room, messing around on my phone, when I randomly started getting a call from Amy. I was confused because we were not friends at this point. So I was like, why is she calling? I answered my phone, not knowing what to expect. She said, hey, could you meet me halfway between our houses? We live like three blocks away from each other, so like a five minute walk. I could tell she was anxious and I was obviously concerned, so I agreed, but I asked why. As we walked to each other, we stayed on the phone and she told me what was happening. She was on the phone with her friend, home alone in her living room, and she has this big glass sliding door in her living room that saw straight into her backyard. From where she was, you could see the window of her brother's room on the side of the house.

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So she's just chatting with her friend, watching TV, when all of a sudden, out of the corner of her eye, she looked over and saw a woman staring into her brother's room, hands on the window and everything.

• 57:17Corinne Vien?

  What in the world?

• 57:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But she knew this woman. It was a ghost that she would see around her home, usually in her kitchen. Seeing her outside, seeing her stare into her brother's window really freaked her out. So she decided to go into her bedroom, and she left her door open since she was home alone. Across the hall was her brother's room. His door was also open, and she could see from her bed. She sat on her bed, a little freaked out, when all of a sudden she saw a pillow fly off of her brother's bed. She immediately told her friend what was happening, and they both agreed to call me. They knew I was the person to call in this situation. She obviously didn't want to, because like I said, we were fighting and thought it would be awkward. But eventually she did call me. She needed me to go back to her house with her to lock it down spiritually.

• 58:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We went back to her house and we decided to see if we could see or feel the ghost. We walked to their house and couldn't feel anything. Then we got to her parents' room. We walked in. I stayed back by the bedroom door, and she walked around checking it out. She could feel the ghost, but she didn't think it was in this room. As she's saying this, I all of a sudden have the hair on the back of my neck stand straight up, as if I knew someone was standing behind me, and I heard this sound. It was the sound of someone breathing, but it came from far away and traveled right next to my ear. Oh, so unsettling. It was as if someone ran at me full speed. So I jumped onto Amy and was like, we need to leave now. She agreed. We went to the living room again. I stood behind her as she locked the door on the inside.

• 58:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As she's in the middle of locking the door, we hear hands slam onto the glass of the sliding door.

• 58:55Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 58:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All I know is I pushed Amy and we ran. By the time I stopped, I was in the middle of the street and I looked back just to see her closing the door.

• 59:04Corinne Vien?

  My god, I thought Anonymous had a lot going on. Amy.

• 59:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So much.

• 59:09Corinne Vien?

  Amy's in danger.

• 59:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of your friends are in danger.

• 59:11Corinne Vien?

  Like, what is happening in this, like, witchy world?

• 59:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, like, why did this spirit that Amy has clearly seen before in a more benign nature, like, all of a sudden become so aggressive?

• 59:22Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, I don't know how they cleansed the house, but we never spent the night at Amy's house again, and I never experienced anything like that again. I hope you'll read this on the podcast someday. Thank you for reading my fucking thesis. Say spooky ladies, Anonymous.

• 59:36Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh, you are literally living in a TV show. Like, this is, this whole time I kept thinking about Sabrina, like, the.

• 59:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The Teenage Witch, yeah.

• 59:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like the.

• 59:45Corinne Vien?

  Chilling Adventures. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, because it does feel kind of like that, like, where the line between, like, demonic and just, like, tuning into powers and using.

• 59:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Corinne Vien?

  That world for, like, your own benefit is kind of thin. And it's like, one thing can be good and then it turns bad and it's, you're not safe in any house. No siblings are safe.

• 1:00:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't blame our listener for turning and shutting that off, because if the alternative is experiencing what Amy or this girl, the neighbor who got possessed, or had, like, a demonic attachment, is an experience, like, ah, yeah, I'd pick silence.

• 1:00:23Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:00:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But like, what a powerful, beautiful line of strong female witches. But like, because it's one thing to be reincarnated, but to be reincarnated in the same family line to continue your lineage, I think is really, really cool.

• 1:00:38Corinne Vien?

  That is really cool. Also, I know that this person's anonymous, but I really would like to know where they live, where there's, like, this. Community, this cluster of people who are experiencing

• 1:00:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:00:49Corinne Vien?

  Wild paranormal events.

• 1:00:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good question. Where do you live so that we can find all of your friends?

• 1:00:55Corinne Vien?

  You.

• 1:00:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you? Because we, well, I guess that's what our community is. We're all

• 1:01:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  haunted freaks.

• 1:01:02Corinne Vien?

  We're all a little bit haunted.

• 1:01:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Corinne Vien?

  But this person's a lot of it.

• 1:01:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A lot of it haunted.

• 1:01:07Corinne Vien?

  Well, thanks for sending it in.

• 1:01:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool. If you come from a long line of witches or have any paranormal story in general, please email it to us at [email protected]. And then if you want to hear more about Ida, who we've referenced a couple of times, that episode is available on all the subscriptions, so like Apple Plus and Patreon. And there's also so many other benefits and fun things around Patreon, so join us over there. Rate and review us. Tell all of your friends about us so that we can keep growing this kooky, strange community and maybe get access to someone at Yale who has access to

• 1:01:40Corinne Vien?

  Someone give me their login.

• 1:01:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Corinne Vien?

  Who's a Yale student?

• 1:01:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's gotta be one person either who works at or is a student at Yale.

• 1:01:49Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

• 1:01:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And thanks to all of you.

• 1:01:54Corinne Vien?

  We will see you on the other side.

• 1:01:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We didn't say we love you, and I feel like that was wrong.

• 1:02:01Corinne Vien?

  We love you all.

• 1:02:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 1:02:02Corinne Vien?

  We love you.

• 1:02:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bye.

• 1:02:03Corinne Vien?

  Good energy.