Episode 365 - Frightmare Manor | Appalachia’s Haunted Murder House

**Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of homicides, suicide and torture** This week we’re back in spooky Appalachia to explore a haunted attraction that might be a little too real. Sitting on 20 acres of a former Tennessee plantation is Frightmare Manor. The haunt’s story centers on Jeremiah Lexer, the former plantation owner who was secretly a serial killer, the shocking 1902 axe murders that exposed his crimes, and a pit of bodies believed to hold dozens of missing locals. It’s a dark legend that raises a bit of an eyebrow when you realize it’s now being used as entertainment. Today the property is one of the country’s most popular haunted attractions, with a challenge so intense that almost no one completes it. Yet staff and visitors report shadow figures, strange noises, moving objects, and a man carrying an axe in the manor windows. So we have to wonder… are the scares just part of the show, or is something else haunting Frightmare Manor? Current book club pick: Episode Thirteen by Craig DiLouie Next book club pick: Hollow by Celina Myers Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan. Original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:49Corinne Vien?

  Hey.

• 2:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi.

• 2:50Corinne Vien?

  Hey.

• 2:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 2:51Corinne Vien?

  What's up?

• 2:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am wearing my demon shirt.

• 2:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I feel like you haven't done the demon voice in a long time.

• 2:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Keeping you on your toes. You never know when it's gonna come.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, probably the next lighthearted episode, we have to read an entire lighthearted story in a demonic voice.

• 3:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I for sure. We have a visit from loved ones encounters planned and I for sure found a way to add demons in there.

• 3:16Corinne Vien?

  Of course.

• 3:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who is she?

• 3:18Corinne Vien?

  Who is she? Well, we know exactly who you are. You're someone who loves demonic stories.

• 3:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you know what else I love? Appalachia.

• 3:27Corinne Vien?

  It's so crazy because every time we talk about Appalachia, which it feels still phony saying Appalachia because where we're from, the pronunciation is different.

• 3:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Appalachia.

• 3:36Corinne Vien?

  For everyone else who yells at us.

• 3:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've been like gaslighting ourselves into changing something, but that now I don't even remember the right way to say it or the way that I was taught to say it.

• 3:46Corinne Vien?

  The Appalachian Mountains.

• 3:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like that sounds wrong now. We were bullied.

• 3:50Corinne Vien?

  We were bullied.

• 3:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Peer pressure worked.

• 3:53Corinne Vien?

  Eight years and we finally caved, but it just feels, it's funny talking about it because like we've lived in it. And yet, when we talk about it, it feels like so foreign and so far away and oh my God, like these creatures are gonna come for us. Which in fairness, most of them exist, the really bad ones are in the South and we're in the northern.

• 4:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Today.

• 4:11Corinne Vien?

  Appalachian region.

• 4:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, we love Appalachia and it's spooky. It's kooky.

• 4:20Corinne Vien?

  Spooky kooky.

• 4:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's freaky, it's creepy and without even, oh, it scared me. My jacket just ejected itself off of the not meant for jacket pole I put it on.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  Do you almost call it a coat hanger?

• 4:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Corinne Vien?

  It's a microphone stand.

• 4:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's my coat hanger in the office. But Appalachia is just spooky. She was born that way.

• 4:43Corinne Vien?

  She was.

• 4:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was born that way, just like we were. Oh, way before all of us.

• 4:49Corinne Vien?

  She's ancient, but she's pretty.

• 4:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She was a creepy kid. Now she's a creepy goddess. With ancient powers.

• 4:58Corinne Vien?

  She's an elder. She's shrinking, actually.

• 5:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, bow down to her magic. Okay, great. Glad we all agree. We've talked about Appalachia for hours on end, the magic, the cryptids, the disappearances. But up until the other day, I had never really stopped to ask like, oh, what happens during Halloween? October, the time of the year when the veil is like the thinnest. And people all over the world and all over the country and all over the Appalachian region are partaking in spooky events. Does that energy like stir something up?

• 5:34Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 5:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does it make it even more haunted? And that is when I found this place. I'm calling it the murder house turned haunted house in Appalachia, specifically in Hamlin County, Tennessee, that in October or in the fall is turned into a haunted attraction, but is truly haunted beyond being a haunted attraction.

• 6:01Corinne Vien?

  Oh, see, that's so confusing.

• 6:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that, it's like on like layers on top of each other.

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  I'd be, I'd be confused. Like, is this just like marketing or is this actually a haunted haunted house?

• 6:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is a good question. And we'll get into that at the end of this episode. But no, according to all the sources that I found, this is a very real haunted house that is haunted.

• 6:26Corinne Vien?

  A paranormally active haunted house.

• 6:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Paranormally active, which I've always been so curious about, like, because the idea of working at a haunted house sounds so fun in theory, but you're alone in dark spaces for a lot of the time.

• 6:41Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 6:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trying to scare other people. But what if something's trying to scare you?

• 6:47Corinne Vien?

  That's a good question.

• 6:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's what we're exploring today.

• 6:51Corinne Vien?

  If you're, well, I guess it's seasonal, right?

• 6:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is seasonal.

• 6:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because I, I worked one when I was in high school.

• 6:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where was it?

• 6:57Corinne Vien?

  It wasn't a house. It was in the woods.

• 6:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Terrifying.

• 6:59Corinne Vien?

  I was part of the the fright mare fright marriage team, which like

• 7:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, this is literally called fright mare manner.

• 7:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, oh, my God. Amazing. But yeah, no, I would like hide in the woods in the tree lines. I would like lay down along the path and cover myself with leaves. Ah, just jump up. But you're so pumped up with adrenaline of getting to scare other people. It doesn't. You don't get scared.

• 7:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Corinne Vien?

  But also I did that for two or three nights out of the year for like a few years in a row to volunteer.

• 7:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think I knew this about you.

• 7:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're still learning things about each other.

• 7:31Corinne Vien?

  We still have lore left.

• 7:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, that is very, very fun.

• 7:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it was so fun. I don't know if they still do it.

• 7:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cat Catamount Vermont. Was it like a big

• 7:41Corinne Vien?

  Williston Vermont.

• 7:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  City put on thing or was it just like

• 7:45Corinne Vien?

  No, it was just

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Kids put it on.

• 7:47Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no. It was it was like, well, it was in Williston, which is the town that I grew up in. And it was a like farm or like the the like property that had all like the trails, like mountain biking or whatever. Apple trees, that sort of stuff. They would put it on, but they're they'd get volunteers. And so like I always volunteered to do the scare stuff. But like sometimes I'd volunteer for

• 8:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you didn't get paid?

• 8:06Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 8:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You just did it for fun?

• 8:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I worked concessions before. I did pumpkin carving multiple years in a row.

• 8:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You were literally making me

• 8:14Corinne Vien?

  Thousands and thousands of pumpkins.

• 8:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The like nostalgia that is like creeping through my bones right now for Halloween.

• 8:20Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 8:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so strong.

• 8:23Corinne Vien?

  I feel like my life in October was what people in Vermont in my town was what people see in movies and and they're like, oh, an American Halloween. Oh, that was

• 8:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Halloween town.

• 8:34Corinne Vien?

  I, yeah. Are we surprised? I am.

• 8:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, not at all. But I I I just now

• 8:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, you know what I miss?

• 8:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What do you miss?

• 8:42Corinne Vien?

  We're never gonna get to your episode because now you have me on the nostalgia train. Do you remember when back in like the nineties and early two thousands, they had those big trash bags that looked like pumpkins and they were orange with pumpkin faces and you

• 8:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think they still have those.

• 8:55Corinne Vien?

  Do they? I have not seen them. And you put all your leaves in them.

• 8:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think they definitely still have those.

• 9:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I loved those. Those felt so nineties.

• 9:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you two are now feeling nostalgic, this is a perfect episode for you because it will talk a lot about Halloween and the haunted attractions and things, but we'll also be talking about a brutal, dark history of this place. So this is located in Appalachia in Hamblen County, Tennessee. It is the ultimate authentic haunted attraction with animatronics, special effects, many horrors, and it has, it's a 20 acre property. It is located on a long abandoned plantation and it is one of the top rated haunted houses in the country. And like I have insinuated, the most terrifying part is that the horror isn't all fake.

• 9:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is based on a true story and this is the story of Frightmare Manor, a modern day haunted attraction in Scream Park that is actually haunted, haunted by a serial killer whose spirit has never left the land.

• 9:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh shit, that's a really, that's horrible.

• 10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Frightmare Manor.

• 10:03Corinne Vien?

  They should put a corn maze in the back and really make it freaky.

• 10:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They have so many different attractions, so it's like every year they change it. But last year there were three walking attractions, like one that went through the house, one that was through the woods, and then another one that was like by like a grave area. It's 20 acres, it's massive.

• 10:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 10:24Corinne Vien?

  Damn, should we buy property? It puts something on.

• 10:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or it's like, when you hear this story, not near here.

• 10:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 10:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, but that actually reminds me, when I was a kid, my whole neighborhood, like all the kids in the neighborhood would get together and we made our own haunted house for the neighborhood.

• 10:42Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's so fun.

• 10:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so we would pick like someone's backyard and construct it there. We all had little roles, but one year.

• 10:50Corinne Vien?

  This is what happens before iPads.

• 10:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Kids are like playing outside, making haunted houses.

• 10:56Corinne Vien?

  They're architects.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like we used to also like put on plays in like someone's backyard and everyone in town would come over.

• 11:03Corinne Vien?

  Yes, that gave me a flashback to, I would never do this in my current day because I'm way too ashamed, but like one time there was a huge block party and me and two other girls like ran to my house, practiced a routine for 30 minutes and then went and performed.

• 11:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What was it too?

• 11:19Corinne Vien?

  You do, but you don't, don't, 3LW. You will, but you won't, won't, no more.

• 11:27Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I think we were like eight.

• 11:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My talent show song was the Six Flags song.

• 11:37Corinne Vien?

  What? How did you choose that?

• 11:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I loved it. It really gets me going. I don't.

• 11:47Corinne Vien?

  You had to commit that to be one of your two truths and a lie. Ever you have to play the game. That is so freaking funny.

• 11:55Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 11:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, I still to this day love that song.

• 11:58Corinne Vien?

  Can you do it right now?

• 11:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no. No, I could not.

• 12:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh, man.

• 12:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're both learning things about each other.

• 12:07Corinne Vien?

  We should talk more.

• 12:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As of seeing each other like 20 hours a week is not enough.

• 12:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And then before that, when we lived in California, it was like 80 hours a week.

• 12:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All the time. Okay, serious business now. This is where we get into the history of this land. And this is actually, the history of this land specifically is very similar to what I covered in episode 359 about the Reed House Hotel, because they're relatively close to each other. They're both in Tennessee. This is more.

• 12:39Corinne Vien?

  Tennessee is a spooky little bitch.

• 12:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 12:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Couldn't say it better myself. But yeah, so it's very similar to that episode, so I'm not going to go as deep as I did in that episode. But this is like, maybe a two hour drive northeast from Chattanooga. It's closer to Knoxville and it's in Appalachia. We know Appalachia. It is ancient. It is historic. And this area specifically holds the memory of those who lived upon it centuries ago. Long before this house ever stood, long before settlers came, the Cherokee Nation lived here. So there's a small, little unincorporated community in Hamline County called Talbot, Tennessee. And that's like, that's where this house exists now.

• 13:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's in East Tennessee, located smack dab in the middle of the Appalachian Bridge and Valley region. So it's like very beautiful rolling hills.

• 13:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Val, like low valleys where you have like beautiful stunning.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  Tennessee is so, so pretty.

• 13:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So pretty. And long before it was frontier farmland, it was a place the Cherokee called home. They lived in harmony with the land, very much believing the land was alive and held balance between worlds. But as we talked about in episode 359, by the late 1700s, early 1800s, the Scots-Irish settlers began pouring into the region, pushing westward expansion and ultimately erasing the Cherokee people through what we know as the Trail of Tears.

• 14:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cherokee were forced out of their homes, away from their land, but their spiritual beliefs and higher powers very much remained ingrained in the land, like the Nanehi people. And then there's like the Uktena spirit that-

• 14:27Corinne Vien?

  Someone should make, we're not the right people because we are-

• 14:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  White.

• 14:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But someone should make a Cherokee podcast, because I feel like we have covered so many Cherokee legends.

• 14:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 14:39Corinne Vien?

  And that's, it's hardly any.

• 14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sure there is one. We should look that up.

• 14:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If not, someone who is qualified, please start.

• 14:47Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 14:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We will listen. You have two listeners right here. Or if you have one that you recommend, please tell us. But the point being here is that like, they very much believe the land was alive with the memory of everything that ever happened there. And all of the spirits that lived there still resided there. So this is a very energetic area, on top of it being Appalachia. Frontier settlers then built their own homes on top of this land they had stolen, on top of land with energy they themselves could feel but not understand. This time was also very difficult for survival. Settlers built log cabins, they depended on family, life was really hard, insular and often lawless. Then came the Civil War. And in this region,

• 15:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  it was very volatile. Many loyal Unionists lived in this area, but because Tennessee ultimately succeeded and was in the Confederacy-

• 15:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Brothers are returning against brothers. It was a lot of bloodshed and a lot of conflict, like internal conflict in Tennessee. Many people died, homes were overtaken, crops were destroyed, which meant that the land further absorbed more blood and more pain. It continued to promise to remember. Now, it's amidst this time and friction in 1870 that the Greater Hamblin County was formed. It was a predominantly farming town, mixed with limited trade markets, and most families were farming corn, tobacco, or livestock. It was a very modest, small town, very focused on rebuilding after the Civil War. Essentially, everyone knew everyone.

• 16:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So when in 1887, people started going missing, they noticed.

• 16:23Corinne Vien?

  It's like a real-life game of the traitors. Who is the killer in the house?

• 16:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  People are really dying. But at first, okay, so it's 1887, it's post-Civil War. Life is hard, farming work is hard. The area, the region, like the mountains, were dangerous. So at first, they're not really...

• 16:41Corinne Vien?

  There's tornadoes.

• 16:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there's so many different aspects that were out to get you. That at first, no one's thinking, oh, there's a killer on the loose. People are like, oh, maybe they wandered off into the woods and got attacked by an animal. Or maybe they left to go find better opportunities and they'll write word once they land somewhere else.

• 17:03Corinne Vien?

  Right. I feel like that was one of the things that was easy to get away with back in the day, which was like, oh, someone left and you just have to wait for them to write. Or it was like, oh, they must have abandoned us. And it's like, or they were murdered.

• 17:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And in this case, they were murdered. But they don't really have any evidence of anything. They, so they keep saying or thinking, maybe it's just one of these a million other reasons, and they are gone. But then more people go missing, vanishing into thin air. And people were wondering where they went. And over the course of 15 years, this number varies, but upwards of 30 to 100 people went missing. This is a small town.

• 17:46Corinne Vien?

  I was just gonna say, didn't you say this is small?

• 17:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know the specific number.

• 17:49Corinne Vien?

  I'm curious what the actual population was, because that seems like a big chunk.

• 17:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I don't know what the population was. And this is over a course of 15 years. So if the number is closer to 30, I feel like maybe that's not as concerning. I don't know the specific stats. So the Hamlin County Sheriff, his name was J.F. Hayes. At this point, he tried and failed to uncover the mystery until one night in 1902, when a gruesome axe murder finally led officials to an answer. The answer was that those missing persons had not vanished into thin air, had not died to the elements of the Appalachian wilderness. They had been murdered by one of their own, a serial killer that had been hiding in plain sight for decades.

• 18:36Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 18:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's July 5th, 1902. It's an ordinary day. But as night fell, so too did the cloak that Jeremiah Lexer had worn for so many years. Jeremiah Lexer was a wealthy plantation owner in Hamlin County, and he was well-known and well-liked. Like, he is referenced as being very crucial in the creation and foundation of Hamlin County. Like, he was high up.

• 19:01Corinne Vien?

  Well, what did the people enslaved on his plantation have to say about him?

• 19:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good question.

• 19:06Corinne Vien?

  He could be forward-facing on the street, like, what a great guy, and then take out everything.

• 19:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But even on the street, people knew he had a little bit of anger. Or, like, he had, he had a lot of mood swings and people, again, this is so hard because like, a lot of this is written after the fact, right? Where it's like, they know he's a serial killer, so they're now-

• 19:25Corinne Vien?

  They're like, oh, he always- Yeah, I always knew.

• 19:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, um, according to these, like, later-written reports, people thought and assumed his mood swings were just like the normal mood swing that people have trying to survive in a really harsh environment, in a, in a world post-Civil War, rebuilding, crops are unpredictable.

• 19:43Corinne Vien?

  There's a lot of stress.

• 19:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Lots of stress. But that all changed on July 5th, 1902. That night, Jeremiah Lexer returned home to his manor in Talbot, Tennessee, the place that had passed through generations of his family and originated back to 1790. And he picked up an axe. He went through his house and tragically slaughtered his entire family.

• 20:06Corinne Vien?

  Good lord.

• 20:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  His wife, his son, his daughter-in-law, and his three grandchildren.

• 20:13Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 20:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's horrible.

• 20:15Corinne Vien?

  That makes me nauseous.

• 20:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  After committing such a heinous act, Jeremiah Lexer then climbed the stairs to the second floor of the manor, placed the bloody axe on the mantle, and according to records, he jumped headfirst out of the second floor window to his death. Shortly after, the sheriff, L. F. Hayes, was called to the Lexer Manor and discovered the bloody crime scene. All seven Lexer family members were dead, and within the home, there were these incoherent messages written along the walls in the blood of the family members.

• 20:52Corinne Vien?

  I have chills. This is horrific.

• 20:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the discoveries did not stop there. While they are searching the house, trying to put the pieces together, the sheriff and his deputies made another horrific, life-altering discovery. On the property, there was a pit filled with dismembered body parts: arms, legs, heads, torsos, all at various stages of decomposition.

• 21:17Corinne Vien?

  Jesus Christ. This person was not just like, immediately in my mind is like, there's something

• 21:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's drained.

• 21:23Corinne Vien?

  that has turned off or on, and he is not with it.

• 21:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Corinne Vien?

  That statement isn't even, doesn't do it justice.

• 21:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, and also, it doesn't seem like he's doing much to hide it. Like, it was relatively easy for the police to find when they were on the property. Again, this is all happening so fast. This is like discovery after discovery of tragedy after tragedy. So they're in shock. L. F. Hayes is so sick by the sight of this pit, he had to run outside to regain composure and not throw up. He, at the moment, didn't know the exact number of bodies that were in the pit, but he had this sinking feeling that those were the remains of the dozens of people who had disappeared over the years. And he was right. Even more shocking to him, Jeremiah Lexer had been a friend. So now he's like confronted with this horror and confronted with this like

• 22:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  reality that this person he thought he knew, the person he thought was his friend.

• 22:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He didn't know him at all.

• 22:21Corinne Vien?

  That just really makes you wonder too, like, how could he present in a normal enough manner that like people weren't wondering what was going on, you know? Like, because he seems so out of it. Like, based on the state of The bodies and him axing, and like, did he use an axe? Do we know what his M.O. was for all the missing people?

• 22:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know specifically. I don't think it was the same way he brutally murdered his whole family. But it's like, these murders, him being a serial killer was happening over such a long span of time that we don't know what triggered him on the night of July 5th. I don't know that it matters. He was clearly mentally unwell and deranged.

• 23:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the sheriff is just like so confused. How do you rationalize the person he thought he knew with the reality he is looking at? And that was very difficult. But the truth he was looking at was that Jeremiah Lexer was a serial killer. The worst Hamblin County had ever seen. Over the next few days and weeks, police discovered 31 bodies in the pit. Thirty-one. Again, I couldn't find like specific details, which we'll get into the reason why in a little bit. But through this investigation, it was discovered that Jeremiah Lexer had been silently kidnapping and then like really sickly torturing before murdering and dismembering these people

• 23:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  for upwards of 15 years.

• 23:54Corinne Vien?

  This, this is like, um, a New Orleans, what's her face?

• 23:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Madame Lallary.

• 23:59Corinne Vien?

  Lallary?

• 23:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because she, she basically had like the same power, like the mansion, the property.

• 24:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Corinne Vien?

  Slaves, access to people, and did a lot of torture.

• 24:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:09Corinne Vien?

  Evil, evil, evil.

• 24:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very.

• 24:11Corinne Vien?

  Man, why can't, okay, I'm not, why can't serial killers be like Dexter and target other serial killers? Be a vigilante serial killer.

• 24:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So yeah, this was unfortunately not a Dexter. He was just a horrible human being who had been living underneath the noses of all these people in Hamline County for so long, under this disguise. And they could not understand why he had done any of it. They also couldn't understand why, on the night of July 5th, 1902, Jeremiah Lexer went home and brutally murdered his entire family.

• 24:45Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 24:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There were no answers. And unfortunately, none of us will ever really get answers because he's dead too.

• 24:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but they didn't like, when they found him, they didn't, he didn't ever say why?

• 24:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, he died by suicide.

• 24:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's right.

• 24:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It is interesting because the, and people have like brought up, like, how did he die from that fall? Because it's not like that tall of a building, but apparently he went headfirst.

• 25:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Either way, he is dead and we have no answers today.

• 25:15Corinne Vien?

  Do we know if he had slaves? I would assume he did, given.

• 25:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I, it's a plantation. I mean, granted, like this story and like the murders and discovery happened post-Civil War. So technically there were no slaves, but they were probably still working on the plantation.

• 25:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because I'm just curious, like what all of those people saw.

• 25:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a great question. Unfortunately, we don't have an answer to that or too much about this. Some people do theorize that Jeremiah Lexer had multiple undiagnosed psychological disorders, which I feel like no dub, and that he was suffering from psychosis and hallucinations. Either way, these undiagnosed conditions are not an excuse. I think it's just people trying to make sense of a monster who was living among, amongst them for so long. I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from Prenewvo in a couple of weeks.

• 26:07Corinne Vien?

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• 26:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 28:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And after the discovery, the Lexer Manor remained vacant. Because who would want to live there?

• 28:12Corinne Vien?

  No, bodies piled up.

• 28:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:15Corinne Vien?

  That many people just tortured and killed.

• 28:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. So it was abandoned for a while. And then also, it's believed that the Hamlin County tried to keep this really, really quiet. Because they were nervous that it would keep people from moving there. And they were trying to like, build an economy in a, in a city.

• 28:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. It's hard because it's like, yes. You see this headline and you're like, oh God, I'm not going to move there. There was a murderer and people went, went missing and like that horrific thing happened. But then on the flip side, what are the chances that a second serial killer is going to be in the town? Is that not one of the safest places you could maybe take a chance to move to?

• 28:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or do you think that a serial killer got away for so long? And a serial killer reads that and they're like, oh, they won't expect another serial killer.

• 29:01Corinne Vien?

  Like, ooh.

• 29:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna move there.

• 29:02Corinne Vien?

  Incompetence. Let me go there.

• 29:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 29:04Corinne Vien?

  Perfect scene.

• 29:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Either way, people were not willing to take their chances and they kept this very, very hush, hush. But it was also whispered about. People in the town knew about it. They talked about it. And for a long time, locals whispered about the spirit of Jeremiah Lexer haunting the house. People swore they saw a man yielding an axe, walking past the dark windows. Others claimed to hear cries of his victims. But that was just local lore, right?

• 29:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 29:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No way that place was actually haunted. Yes way. But no one was really willing to buy the house for themselves. So it was abandoned for a really long time. Until many years later, when someone was like, this is the perfect spot for a restaurant.

• 29:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I don't know exact dates here. And also, this is like off a highway. So it's not like a small little town where houses are all next to each other. Like this has 20 acres of land. It's kind of rural.

• 30:05Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 30:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I, again, I don't know the exact dates here. The home was built in 1790. The axe murders and discovery of the bodies took place in 1902. And then for a long while, the building sat vacant. Uncertain when, but in more modern times, the home sold and was used for various businesses. One restaurant, The Attic, operated in this house and on this land for many years.

• 30:30Corinne Vien?

  In the actual house?

• 30:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the actual house.

• 30:33Corinne Vien?

  So they heard there was an axe murderer who lived here. Let's go put a bunch of knives out all throughout this house and see what happens.

• 30:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was probably cheap.

• 30:43Corinne Vien?

  Damn. Also, we've been covering a lot of stories from the early 1900s recently. I feel like between like 1880 and 1912, like the past multiple episodes, we've been like, and then in 1905, this happened.

• 30:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're trying to escape the reality of our world today. So The Attic operated in this house and land. The owners leased the back of the house to a hair salon and barber shop. And after many success-

• 31:07Corinne Vien?

  Knives everywhere.

• 31:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Knives everywhere. Everywhere. Very Sweeney Todd. Actually, so Sweeney Todd, like the barber shop next to the restaurant.

• 31:16Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 31:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is in their pies? But so this restaurant was very successful for many years. They even built an addition for more restaurant seating. As far as we know, there are no documented reports that the owners had issues with hauntings. But eventually, the restaurant did switch ownership and it became a seafood restaurant. And this was in operation until 2001. And according to internet rumors, this restaurant had to shut down because the hauntings got so bad.

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit.

• 31:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Plates were being thrown and shattered, objects moving on their own. There were cold spots, shadow people. Like, it got so bad that employees refused to show up for work.

• 31:59Corinne Vien?

  Was this guy allergic to shellfish or something? Like, why did he let the other restaurant go on?

• 32:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 32:04Corinne Vien?

  But seafood is too much.

• 32:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or did people just ignore the hauntings when it was the other restaurant?

• 32:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 32:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. So then in 2001, the Lexer murder house was once again abandoned. Once again, no one in town wanted to take ownership of this home. I mean, what business could you run out of a haunted house?

• 32:26Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 32:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What business, you might ask?

• 32:28Corinne Vien?

  Huh, interesting. Are we within that sort of business?

• 32:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think we might be, Corinne.

• 32:34Corinne Vien?

  Do you love ghosts? Do you want to be freaked out of your pants?

• 32:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Business for you.

• 32:40Corinne Vien?

  You know what? I feel like a place like this should sell like underwear and pants. Because what if someone shits themselves from being so afraid? Like, that's the concession stand at the end of this one.

• 32:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As someone who has shit themselves recently, actually, it's been quite a while.

• 32:54Corinne Vien?

  It's not recent.

• 32:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But more recent than most.

• 32:57Corinne Vien?

  The average person.

• 32:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, because I'm prone to it, I always have extra underwear on my person. Like, always.

• 33:09Corinne Vien?

  That's smart.

• 33:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Corinne Vien?

  Be prepared.

• 33:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, anyway, be prepared to enter Frightmare Manor. This is the perfect business for a haunted house. A haunted house. Again, I like, it's really hard to find specific dates. I'm sure I could have looked up like business records and stuff, but I didn't. It's not 100% clear what year Frightmare Manor opened. Some reports say that it began operating as a haunted house like in the early 2000s. And so the seafood restaurant closed in 2001. But the attraction that it is today was established in 2009 by a man named Chris Wooden. So I don't know if like, he more casually owned the property and was running as a haunted house before deciding to call it Frightmare Manor. I'm not sure.

• 33:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But Chris Wooden had heard the haunting history, like the true story of the home, and saw this as the perfect location for a haunted house attraction. A murder house turned haunted house. And he loves to hone in and harp on the specific fact. A lot of haunted attractions do come up with fake history, fake lore, fake tragedies that so-called happened on that property in order to like sell tickets and sensationalize the attraction.

• 34:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But he likes to harp on the fact that he didn't have to do all of that, that it was already there for him.

• 34:35Corinne Vien?

  Right, long before his business was established. It was already known, chronicled, businesses shut down from the hauntings.

• 34:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes. In the first year of operation in 2009, Chris had apparently spent a lot of time digging into the history, trying to unearth hidden history of the homestead. And based on what he learned and what he found, he curated Frightmare Manor to be basically a replica of the horrors that truly happened there. Which I feel like, I get it, but don't you also feel like that's a questionable decision to do? And wouldn't that stir up more activity?

• 35:15Corinne Vien?

  Right, and who's to say that all of these victims aren't still trapped there and are now like reliving and watching people find joy and excitement and pay to experience their terrors.

• 35:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Corinne Vien?

  It's kind of fucked up.

• 35:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it has been happening year after year. And every year, they come up with like various attractions to terrify their victims, as they are called. Most of them, not all of them, but most of them are based around the true story of Jeremiah Lexer. Year after year, Frightmare Manor has been listed among the top 10 haunted houses, many times named number one most haunted house attraction in all of Tennessee. It is a 20 acre property. And the team behind Frightmare Manor makes sure to utilize all of it. So I looked up the most recent like attractions that they had in 2025. I don't know what will be coming in 2026, but this is what they had in 2025.

• 36:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They offered three walk through attractions with high tech animatronics, professional actors, special effects, and countless psychotic demented souls, which I imagine were the actors.

• 36:23Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The three were the Money Back Haunt, Karn Evil Outcasts, and Backwoods of Rage. I'm pretty sure the Money Back Haunt was like, you go through the Lexer Manor and you basically walk through the night of July 5th, 1902.

• 36:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I like almost would have rather they made up like just theorized about like someone's torture and murder instead of

• 36:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, they did that in the Backwoods of Rage.

• 36:50Corinne Vien?

  Okay. A whole family, like children being killed.

• 36:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I don't know the specifics. They don't have like video footage of of it. They are very, I'm surprised for how popular this attraction is. Like, there are no come with me through the haunted house. Like, they're very like, their security is strict.

• 37:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. It also makes me wonder, like, how do you differentiate when you have so much activity going on? Seasonally, like, what is an actual haunting? Like, how do you know?

• 37:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think that's why it's hard. That's why people have been able to write off their experiences as something like attributed to the electronics or whatever exists in the haunted houses. Okay, so that's one of the attractions. Then there's Carn Evil, which was full of clowns and horrors, but less lexicer themed. And then there was a backwoods, where the lexicer cabins stood guard over countless unmarked graves in the woods. And I think this was more of like the torture specific. Beyond the walking attractions, Frightmare Manor offered axe throwing, basketball, carnival games. And these two very, in my mind, questionable add on, like you had to pay extra to do these.

• 38:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They were the lexicer jump and the nightmare challenge. So if you remember, Jeremiah Lexer died by jumping out of the window.

• 38:11Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 38:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Frightmare Manor has a free fall experience called the lexicer jump to mimic that final act. And it's a free fall tower.

• 38:24Corinne Vien?

  How much do they pay in insurance for this short season?

• 38:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I'm sure there's so much. Isn't that crazy?

• 38:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 38:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also just,

• 38:31Corinne Vien?

  They really thought of every detail to like pretend that you're,

• 38:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Corinne Vien?

  Who owns this? Should we, should we?

• 38:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, this is where, this part reminds me of McCammy Manor. That's also in Tennessee. Damn, Tennessee, what is up?

• 38:45Corinne Vien?

  Guys, check your drinking water.

• 38:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, so this challenge reminds me very much of the McCammy Manor. It's called the Nightmare Challenge. I'm just gonna read the description as it says on the website. The nightmare at Frightmare is what makes Frightmare Manor the most controversial haunted attraction in Tennessee. You will sign a release form. You will face your worst nightmares. You will be scared. For some, it lasts about 20 minutes. For others, a lifetime. Want more hints? You must, one, eat something. Two, drink something. Three, do something. If you face your nightmares and survive, you get all your money back. Two, you get a picture put on Survivor wall for all to see and admire. And three, friends, family and staff will cheer for you.

• 39:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It then goes on to say it's not an impossible task. However, it will take extreme guts, determination and self-control. I tried to find information about this nightmare challenge.

• 39:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Again, closed lipped. They are, you cannot find-

• 39:49Corinne Vien?

  Does it even exist? Or is this just-

• 39:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It definitely does, but most people don't get their money back. I did find a Reddit thread about this, and there are a few responses. The first person responded, their username was Muse Liz, and they said that they had participated nine years ago, but could not complete the challenge. The first challenge was to eat an egg, like a big egg where you had to eat, like the shell and all.

• 40:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yuck. No salt? No, thanks.

• 40:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's raw. Yeah. It's not like a delicious hard-boiled egg.

• 40:21Corinne Vien?

  Excuse me, again, back to the insurance inquiry.

• 40:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, you have to sign a, like a thirty page-

• 40:26Corinne Vien?

  If I die by salmonella, my family's not gonna come after you.

• 40:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Then this user said that they had to eat what the staff told her was goat dick, but was actually a ghost pepper. And the like spice of it was so, like so painful, they had to run out. Another person-

• 40:41Corinne Vien?

  Why is it like an X Factor?

• 40:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think it is very X Factor, which is better than the McCammy Manor. Like McCammy Manor, they're full-on torturing you, like pulling your teeth out, cutting your hair. This is more drink hot sauce. And that was what another person said, that you had to drink an entire bottle of hot sauce. So they, they are really difficult challenges.

• 41:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then, another user, again, I'm gonna, like, it's Reddit, and also, I really don't believe this happened, but this is what they said on Reddit. They said that they're still in therapy for the final challenge, that in the final challenge, they had cut off his penis and made him eat it. And he still didn't get his money back. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that's probably not real.

• 41:24Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 41:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think there would be a lot more news stories about that if that were.

• 41:27Corinne Vien?

  I agree with that. I don't think the waiver would cover that. I think

• 41:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 41:31Corinne Vien?

  in the court of law, it doesn't, there's some contracts that are just.

• 41:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you can't, you can't cut off people's penises and make them eat it.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 41:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I did find, though, on that same Reddit thread, someone who worked at the attraction said they worked there for a couple of years and that every night the team changes the challenge so that no one can leak it and ruin it for other people. So like, everyone's experience is very different.

• 41:57Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 41:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I do think you have to disclose like your fears and like dislikes so that they cater it to you. Like if I said, I absolutely despise eggplant, or I'm a vegetarian, they would like give me eggplant or meat, you know?

• 42:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So lie, you know?

• 42:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Like, I'm scared of kittens. Their soft fur, ew. Puppies, ew.

• 42:22Corinne Vien?

  Disgusting.

• 42:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So yeah, I really couldn't find anything about people who had completed it, which either makes me think that no one has, and even like, they say that there's like a survivor wall that all of the photos, photos get posted on of people who have completed it. Couldn't find any evidence of that, or they're just really good at keeping details in wraps. It's also, we're recording this in March, this comes out in March. It's also sometime after October, maybe they have taken that off the website and are prepping for 2026.

• 42:52Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 42:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know. Either way, me no likey. That's what I wrote.

• 42:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 42:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So overall, Frightmare Manor is said to be one of Tennessee's most haunted horror attractions and a must-visit for you fright-chasing horror freaks out there, which is a lot of you. Whether you do the nightmare challenge or not, you are certain to be entertained or scared, and possibly by more than human souls in costume, but by the dead who haunt there as well. Because given the history, Frightmare Manor is undoubtedly haunted.

• 43:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So a lot of the reports that I could find were shared amongst staff and like passed by word of mouth, but here are the hauntings that I could find. People report seeing shadow figures and apparitions inside the house. And this is like, long before it was Frightmare Manor. That's the same report. Like people would see someone walking through the windows when they were dark and no one was inside. A lot of shadows out of the corner of your eye. And again, like going back to what you said, like, how do you, how do you differentiate between like, the horrors of Frightmare Manor versus like, an actual haunting?

• 43:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So a lot of people will see shadows out of the corner of their eyes, but they'll like, write it off as like, another cast member.

• 44:04Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 44:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just walking by, or a trick of the light. But it's probably something more.

• 44:09Corinne Vien?

  You know what, this just gave me an idea for.

• 44:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 44:12Corinne Vien?

  And I don't know that there's actual like, money in this, but it's just like, because I feel like haunted houses and things like this, they either go too far into like, grotesque, sort of like torture.

• 44:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Blood horror.

• 44:25Corinne Vien?

  Blood horror. Or they're just like, for the average person who just wants like, a jump scare or to like, be frightened in the moment because it's the month of October and Halloween's coming.

• 44:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 44:35Corinne Vien?

  I feel like, for people who are like, truly deep into horror, and it takes a lot to scare them, like, I'm thinking about myself. I think like, for me to like, truly feel the fear, if there was a place that was like an overnight, and you have experiences and it's only like, you or you plus another person.

• 44:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So basically paranormal investigation?

• 44:57Corinne Vien?

  Well, sort of. I was thinking about like, outside, like, because I'm most scared outside, like, your challenge is like, you have to spend the night in like, a tree stand or something. And then there's like, actors and stuff going through the woods or doing things, or like, you're in a tent with like, your, your best friend or something. But then in the distance, you hear in the middle of the night, like a pig squealing, or like, the sound of someone screaming for help.

• 45:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  American horror story.

• 45:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, basically, where like, your, your brain is like, oh, these are actors, like, these people are paid to do this, but like, it's just distant and weird enough that you're not sure.

• 45:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's unsettling.

• 45:29Corinne Vien?

  It's unsettling. It's like, or did someone just break onto the property? Or is this actually a murder? Or, how much do we actually know about this attraction? I need like a psychological.

• 45:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You need an immersive experience.

• 45:40Corinne Vien?

  I need an immersive experience.

• 45:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where it feels more grounded in reality.

• 45:45Corinne Vien?

  I feel hunted.

• 45:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're sick. I feel like in theory you want that, but you don't actually want that.

• 45:50Corinne Vien?

  No, no, I don't want it, but, but that I think is what would take.

• 45:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Didn't you just start this with, you know what I want?

• 45:56Corinne Vien?

  Well, no, like that would be, sorry. I don't want that, but I think that that is what, like the, the torture, like that sort of thing. Is not, that wouldn't, it would not scare me, but I think I'd be disgusted by it and I wouldn't be like, oh, that was a, that was a scary, like haunting experience. I'd be like, that was a fucked up, like, human experience.

• 46:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's kind of like an escape room in a way. Like, I feel like, I did an escape room in LA that, I mean, nowadays, like, they're so elaborate and so, like, the, the set design and stuff. I did one that was horror themed. And it was just two of us who did it. And at one point, one of us had to go in the elevator. And so I went into the elevator by myself, doors closed. All of the lights went off. Like, it was very, very scary. It was good.

• 46:41Corinne Vien?

  That is good.

• 46:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, there's something for everyone.

• 46:46Corinne Vien?

  What's your deepest, darkest fear?

• 46:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll curate.

• 46:48Corinne Vien?

  What would fuck you up?

• 46:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We could, we could curate this. Add it to our scroll, our long list of business ideas that, when do we have time to do all of them? We don't. Okay, so back to the hauntings at Frightmare Manor. There are unexplained sounds, like beyond the special effects. And there was one story that I found of someone who was like newly working at Frightmare Manor. It was daytime before like the haunted attraction had opened. They were in the house and they kept hearing like these really strange sounds, like moans, like almost like a human being making these like eerie sounds. And they kept thinking, it must just be like a soundtrack or like a special effects or something like that.

• 47:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so she asked about it when she like ran into someone else and they were like, wait, there are no soundtracks on, like nothing is playing right now. But like, they were convinced that maybe they were pulling a prank on her or something, but it could have been a ghost.

• 47:42Corinne Vien?

  Could have. Oh, my gosh.

• 47:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Objects.

• 47:44Corinne Vien?

  Which makes me sad because it's like, knowing the history, the reason for the moaning is probably.

• 47:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hope it's residual.

• 47:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, me too.

• 47:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Objects fall, they'll move on their own, which is also something they experienced during the seafood restaurant. Overall, staff try to follow a buddy system when they can and choose to stay in the less creepy areas of the property. Overall, it is no surprise that a place like this is haunted. The history is one thing, but then I think, and I mentioned this earlier, like this added element of almost, not necessarily mocking, but kind of, and making like entertainment out of the most horrific moment in all of these spirits' lives. Yeah. And we know for a fact that there were thirty-one plus like the six members of the Luxor family, people murdered on this property. Right. That we know of. We don't know how many others there were.

• 48:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are reports like hundreds of people went missing during that fifteen-year period. So I imagine that that would be really, really infuriating or confusing for those spirits if they're still there on that land. Totally. Trying to like process what happened to them. I do hope that there are spirits who find it fun and they get a kick out of like scaring people. Yeah. Or that they find comfort in other people being there because for so long it was abandoned, like maybe now they don't feel as alone.

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• 50:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There is one part of this story that has been like a bit contentious and debated in the world. So I feel like I have to bring it up. Some people have questioned the validity of Frightmare Manor's history. As in, people have questioned if any of it is true at all. Hmm. And here's the thing, I could not personally find any historical documents that pertain to Jeremiah Lexer, his being a serial killer, or the axe murders that are said to have taken place in 1902. Like, anytime you look up Jeremiah Lexer, it takes you to the story of Frightmare Manor and the haunted history behind the house. But I think it's because they've done so much press that that's like what comes up. But...

• 51:09Corinne Vien?

  I don't know if this would work, but you know how there's the Wayback Machine? Which is, if anyone doesn't know what that is, it's a website which allows you, not like all of the internet, but like if you have the URL to a website, you could go back in time, like choose a date from like years ago and see what like the website looks like then.

• 51:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:29Corinne Vien?

  I am curious if like Wikipedia has a page on it and you can go...

• 51:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 51:34Corinne Vien?

  Back?

• 51:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's tough because...

• 51:36Corinne Vien?

  Or just like a straight up Google result, you could look years...

• 51:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Frightmare Manor like kind of came out when the internet was blowing up too.

• 51:42Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's hard, but I did find a lot of articles, like newspaper articles. So it's not just like blogs and stuff written, like newspaper articles that do share the story of Jeremiah Lexer, but they are more recent.

• 51:55Corinne Vien?

  And are they all local too?

• 51:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they are local.

• 51:58Corinne Vien?

  Tennessee as like a promo.

• 52:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So some people have debated, like, is this entirely fabricated by the owners of Frightmare Manor? Like, a lot of haunted places do.

• 52:06Corinne Vien?

  I hope so.

• 52:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I hope so too. But other people believe it is true. And like cite what I had talked about earlier, back in 1902, when the murders and discovery happened. This was a very struggling county. They were trying to rebuild after the Civil War, draw in new people, like build their economy. They didn't want this idea of a serial killer and axe murderer to like taint their reputation. So they like paid off people to like sweep it under the rug. Which is common practice even today.

• 52:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's a lot of stuff that is trying to be covered up. Yeah. So then also, the people who believe it was covered up by locals actually cite the Lizzie Borden murders from 1892 as a reason for their decision. Because 1892, so 10 years before Jeremiah Lexer murdered his family and was discovered to be a serial killer on August 4th, 1892 in Fall River, Massachusetts. Lizzie Borden was said to have taken an axe, gave her mother 40 whacks. When she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41. We're not going to get too deep into that story, but the context of this, what's important is that people believe, given how they had seen Fall River and the world handle the Lizzie Borden axe murders,

• 53:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and how it like hindered the reputation of Fall River, like even today, like Fall River, you only go there for the Lizzie Borden House.

• 53:30Corinne Vien?

  Yes, sorry to the Fall River residents, but you live there, you know.

• 53:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you associate it with the Borden Axe Murders.

• 53:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, if you're, if, yeah, tourists don't go to Fall River.

• 53:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 53:40Corinne Vien?

  For any other reason.

• 53:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 53:41Corinne Vien?

  It's like literally the Lizzie Borden House.

• 53:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So if we do believe that the Lexer Axe Murders happened, which was 10 years after the Lizzie Borden Axe Murders, and they saw what had happened in Fall River, maybe they were like, this is proof that we need to brush it under the rug, not tell anyone, keep it a secret.

• 53:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then also, people have said and used the Lizzie Borden Murders as a reason that this was like falsified, that maybe after the Axe Murders in Fall River, Massachusetts, all throughout the country, all these like local legends and whispers started to develop. Based on that axe murder. And so like this formed a lore that was more local to Tennessee, but was based off of that. Unfortunately, I don't know 100%. But we do know the reports of hauntings in this building and on the land do predate Frightmare Manor. Like there are blogs and reports of hauntings before Frightmare Manor was a business. And most locals to Hillman County, Tennessee, do believe the story to be true.

• 54:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So maybe it's a mix of truth and lore. But I do believe the hauntings and paranormal energy is very, very strong on that land. So maybe the spirits are sadly the victims of this horrible, horrible tragedy. Or maybe because of all this activity and the curation of such a horrific haunt, they have created spirits, like the thought form, like Tulpas or Conjuring Philip. And now the land is haunted, especially like all these people who are flocking here for two months at a time. Like the amount of energy that is being like thrown at this land in just a two month period during the time of the year when the veil is the thinnest.

• 55:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perhaps like it's creating its own like energy vortex and portal, which is creating hauntings or inviting spirits. Who knows?

• 55:32Corinne Vien?

  Which actually just reminded me of when Greg and Dana Newkirk were on tour and we went to like see them live. And they had ventriloquist dolls made of themselves. And everyone was like putting energy towards them to try to create them into haunted objects. And they very much were starting to react and like move on their own and do things. We haven't checked in on that in like a year. We should see.

• 55:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think they're still like taking them on the road. Yeah.

• 55:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, those things are about to be absolutely terrifying.

• 56:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We should text.

• 56:02Corinne Vien?

  Actually, you want to know what is going to be like the worst haunted attraction I think I could experience?

• 56:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 56:08Corinne Vien?

  Going into Greg and Dana Newkirk's home.

• 56:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I would love. I feel like because of Greg and Dana and who they are, their home probably has like the best vibes. Even the haunted room, I imagine, has good vibes.

• 56:21Corinne Vien?

  True. Dana's such like mother energy.

• 56:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She is.

• 56:24Corinne Vien?

  She's so protective. I feel like.

• 56:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's mother earth.

• 56:26Corinne Vien?

  Like when I see her, like I almost picture like giant black like raven wings coming and like.

• 56:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Taking you under shelter.

• 56:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 56:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love her. Love them both. But yeah, that's the Frightmare Manor. And you can go visit it this October or September, it's September and October in 2026. Maybe you can ask the actors who are trying to jump out and scare you very politely be like, haha, that scared me. Thank you. Now, can you please tell me, have you experienced any ghosts here?

• 56:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So where's the real frights? Where's the real horror?

• 57:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe you can ask them and report back to us.

• 57:03Corinne Vien?

  What do you experience in your break room?

• 57:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or sign up for a job for September and October, start working there to get the inside scoop, get the tea, give it to us.

• 57:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we won't, we won't tell.

• 57:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but you will tell.

• 57:14Corinne Vien?

  But you have to tell us.

• 57:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You will tell us.

• 57:16Corinne Vien?

  So no one will know that you went against your NDA or whatever they make you sign.

• 57:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wonder if they even make you sign an NDA. Like if it's true history and it's haunted, that's your story to tell.

• 57:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Did you hear that from the lawyer herself?

• 57:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sabrina. Sabrina Esquire.

• 57:31Corinne Vien?

  Esquire.

• 57:34Corinne Vien?

  Wild. Ooh. These ones are like hard because I feel like so many of the places that have the lore and you're not sure, like the lore is just so gross.

• 57:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like so disturbing.

• 57:47Corinne Vien?

  So disturbing.

• 57:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And whether it's true or not, the sad fact is that there are true story iterations, like real stories like that that do exist.

• 57:56Corinne Vien?

  Right. And I really wasn't sure how to go about, because I tried to search, because you just said like murder house at first.

• 58:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So Appalachian murder house.

• 58:05Corinne Vien?

  Yes. I was like, wow, I don't know how to go about this. Anyway, I found a story that I think could be like somewhat adjacent to that. And this is from our listener, Sam. Hello, fellow ghosty witches. My name is Sam. I started listening in 2023 and I have been hooked ever since. Thank you for creating this spooky community. First, let me say, I've debated so long on sending in the story because it still gets me when I talk about it. So buckle in ladies, this one is a long one.

• 58:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh geez. Okay.

• 58:37Corinne Vien?

  I grew up in southeastern Kentucky, right in the Appalachian Mountains. Growing up here, you always hear the same tales, the lore, what not to do in the woods. This story takes place in 2012, located in Pulaski.

• 58:51Corinne Vien?

  Hopefully I didn't put you to that. Sounds right. Pulaski County. Growing up in this rural area, there wasn't really much to do. So what did me and my friends do? Well, we went to the Walmart parking lot and we would go ghost hunting too. At the Walmart parking lot? I think those were like the two activities. It's like you either like gather and socialize at Walmart or you go ghost hunting. Perfect. I've always believed in the paranormal ever since I was a child. And growing up, my family would tell me and other kids their own haunting stories. I love that. You're the collector of stories. The keeper. I have to give a quick background on this location. My friends and I had always been told about this place, which I'm going to call it H Cemetery, as the family that currently owns it has asked for people to leave it alone. So H Cemetery.

• 59:35Corinne Vien?

  Right before you arrive at the cemetery, there's a house and we will call it the H House. The legend goes that back in the 1900s, I don't remember the exact year. Could have been our birth year. We were born in the 1900s. 1900s. Back in 1993. I don't remember the exact year. Shout out to trauma. The man who lived with this family here came home one day, killed his wife, and put their infant daughter in the well on the property. Oh my god. The second legend. What is wrong with people? Right? Dexter, where are you? Seriously, come on. Get it together. Go quicker. Work harder. Kill more. Sleep less.

• 1:00:17Corinne Vien?

  The second legend I was told, and not by a very reliable source, because he was a distant relative, is that a man came home to his wife and daughter murdered. So in both stories, the man ended up dying by suicide and he is said to be buried in H Cemetery. It's always been said that if you go onto the property and walk to the well, which is probably a half mile walk, you can hear a child crying. Oh, that's so devastating. I never was brave enough to cross the property line after what happened to me in the cemetery, though. But my friends did say that they heard the child cry. Okay, so now you have the background. Onto the story. My friends, May, Randy, Travis and I, decided that we were gonna go and see this

• 1:00:59Corinne Vien?

  place for ourselves. This was my third time here, but my friends had never been. After this night, I swore I would never return. It's important to note that when going to the cemetery, we were always respectful. We never stepped on the graves, we never touched headstones, etc. This was in a location where if you don't know where you're going, you're never gonna find it. It's in the middle of nowhere. There's a gravel road that you have to take in order to get there. It's only a couple of minutes drive, but this is important information. Our first stop was the house. Getting out of the vehicle was extremely hard for me. I've always been very sensitive to the paranormal, and none of this felt right this night. Eventually, May coaxed me out, saying, "It's not that bad. You'll be fine." That, folks, is how they get ya. Sadly, the house has been burnt down. It

• 1:01:44Corinne Vien?

  was burnt down many years ago by a high schooler. Oh geez. May and Randy went over to the property line and stepped down into the basement of the home. I stayed back with Travis as I refused to cross the line. Something in my gut told me that I needed to stay put. A few minutes later, May and Randy come back screaming that Randy had been pushed off of the brick chimney. May said that right before this happened, she felt an ice cold sensation run right over her body. Randy was not so respectful. He wasn't really a decent person. He kinda shouldn't have been there with us in the first place. Randy's the reason to not go back or go to any haunted place with Randy. Do not. Yeah, you really have to be conscious about like the people's intentions and

• 1:02:26Corinne Vien?

  the energy that are like coming in with you. So no fight me, bro, energy coming in to a place like this. He had been trying to climb the chimney, and he was being rude, and I believe that this was the reason that things got so much worse. We then drove down to the cemetery, and when we pulled up, I felt like my chest was going to cave in. I suddenly could not breathe. And at this moment, I knew that we probably should leave, but I was young and dumb, and so we stayed.

• 1:02:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You stayed? To be fair, I probably would have too.

• 1:02:53Corinne Vien?

  Right? It's like you're there with other people too, so it's

• 1:02:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:02:57Corinne Vien?

  Like part of me feels like you can't just control

• 1:02:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Corinne Vien?

  everyone. And also like, you also can't.

• 1:03:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also like, oh, like that one little thing happened, which is exciting, especially if you're going there for paranormal activity.

• 1:03:09Corinne Vien?

  True.

• 1:03:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's like a thrill to it.

• 1:03:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but like Sam was being basically suffocated and

• 1:03:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Sam's gut is saying like, no.

• 1:03:17Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah. Okay, so I was young and dumb and we stayed. We started looking around the cemetery to get a feel for things. And Randy, being the asshole that he was, lit and smoked a cigarette and then used a headstone to put it out.

• 1:03:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Randy.

• 1:03:32Corinne Vien?

  We were all furious with him. He and May went to the other side of the cemetery and I stayed with Travis. Did May and Randy have a thing? Why is she always running off with him?

• 1:03:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably.

• 1:03:43Corinne Vien?

  A bad boy. While talking, I felt as if something was screaming at me to look over to my right. And so I did. And as I looked over, I noticed the first two rows of graves had multiple flags and one had a windmill. The flags in the front row started to move as if they were being blown by the wind, but there was no wind. And the second row of flags were completely still and we did not feel a single thing. At this point, I started to feel a lump in my throat. As soon as those flags stopped moving, the second row started to move.

• 1:04:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ugh.

• 1:04:13Corinne Vien?

  And then the windmill started to move and it was in this like cyclic rate. I'm not the person to pray, but in that moment I did start praying.

• 1:04:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 1:04:22Corinne Vien?

  All of the sudden, I looked over to a grave and in the first row, I noticed a concrete angel next to the headstone facing away from me. Immediately, the angel turned around directly facing me and my heart sank.

• 1:04:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. Oh my god.

• 1:04:40Corinne Vien?

  All I could feel was something pure evil and it was surrounding me. Ooh, I have chills because normally like an angel, you'd think like, oh, it's watching us. It's going to protect us, but it came with really bad feelings. Yeah. I felt like I was being mocked by a demon for praying. Travis looked at me and asked what happened. I told him, he looked over and he said, yeah, the angel was facing me. He said, it must be an angel trying to protect me, but I knew, no, this was something far more sinister. Yeah. Shortly after this, I begged and I pleaded, please, please let us go home. Randy was refusing because he wanted to lay down on the grave. Smuh, Randy, smuh. The specific grave that was considered to be a portal to hell. Let Randy, let him be sucked off to hell.

• 1:05:24Corinne Vien?

  You guys go, Randy's good, leave him behind. Remember I said he wasn't the most respectful person? Well, it said if you lay on this very grave, you'll feel a burning sensation. And when you try to get up, three claw marks will be down your back. And he did do that. He laid down. I saw it myself and he wanted to stay longer. And Travis was quick to get into the car and finally Randy and May do get in the car. And that is when we take off, like a bat of hell. From that moment on, I have felt a presence with me. No, Sam, I'm so sorry. Give him Randy's address. Right? Forward. Yeah. A middle aged woman and she wasn't evil. She was protective and calm, but she has been around me ever since.

• 1:06:09Corinne Vien?

  Oh, interesting. Okay, don't give her to Randy. Yeah, keep her. I talk to her all the time, especially when I'm scared. And many years later, I had a friend who noticed this woman's presence around me. The first time I ever went to her house. And that for me only confirmed it more. Wow. My friend is a witch like I am, and I've never told the story before. It surprised me that my friend could feel her near me as no one else has ever told me this before. Wow. Anyway, I swore I would never step foot in the cemetery again. But years later I did. And that was the worst decision that I could have made. What? It haunts me to this day. If you're wondering if Sam told us what happened, they did not. Sam.

• 1:06:51Corinne Vien?

  Stay spooky. See you on the other side, Sam.

• 1:06:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, I have so many questions, like what happened the next time and was Randy with you? Because I feel like Randy is-

• 1:07:00Corinne Vien?

  No way Randy was-

• 1:07:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:07:02Corinne Vien?

  Sam. Although Sam did say at the very bottom of this, while proofreading it, the computer started to glitch and it like kept flashing.

• 1:07:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it makes me wonder if the woman who's with her was so grief, like, I don't know. Like, I just feel like if this cemetery has such negative energy, like, is this female spirit so relieved to be gone from there?

• 1:07:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like finally found a human attachment that could help get her out of there? And maybe that's why going back the next time, even though we don't know what happened, was so horrific? Because that spirit like didn't want to go back.

• 1:07:38Corinne Vien?

  Right. Or was like fighting things off.

• 1:07:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I can't believe, so like, Sam didn't outwardly say, but I think she was insinuating in her email too, that I think Randy did get the scratch marks.

• 1:07:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 1:07:50Corinne Vien?

  Because she was like, I saw it happen. And I don't think, like, I think that's what she means is like the scratch marks too.

• 1:07:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If I were a demon, I'd be scratching Randy like left and right.

• 1:07:58Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:07:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That evening.

• 1:08:00Corinne Vien?

  That gives me so much anxiety. It like takes away from the experience of getting to be in a cemetery when there's someone who's like behaving recklessly.

• 1:08:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Provoking?

• 1:08:08Corinne Vien?

  It's, yeah, you're just like knocking, like, I'm almost on, you're making me on the, the ghost and demons team here.

• 1:08:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 1:08:15Corinne Vien?

  Because I also don't want you here now.

• 1:08:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Well, and this is something we talk about all the time. It's like, when it comes to paranormal investigating, the biggest thing for us has been who you go with. And that's why like, I'm more hesitant to do like a massive paranormal investigation with a bunch of strangers because I don't trust people.

• 1:08:35Corinne Vien?

  Right. It's really hard.

• 1:08:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Damn, that is wild.

• 1:08:38Corinne Vien?

  We're almost proof of it working out in your favor of you going with good intentions and know who you're going in with. Because every time we've gone somewhere, people are like, oh my God, this is the most experience we've ever had. And we're like, be respectful.

• 1:08:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bring the ghost girls.

• 1:08:51Corinne Vien?

  Bring our attitude. Yeah.

• 1:08:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Corinne Vien?

  Or our, our energy.

• 1:08:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It actually reminds me of the book that we just read for Patreon, episode 13 by Craig DiLouie. So good. So good. It's all about like a paranormal investigative team that goes to-

• 1:09:07Corinne Vien?

  Did you, did you already read it?

• 1:09:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Well, this episode comes out after we have the discussion.

• 1:09:12Corinne Vien?

  In this world of like podcasts.

• 1:09:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Corinne Vien?

  I'm like, didn't we just pick it like last week?

• 1:09:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're literally discussing it next week.

• 1:09:19Corinne Vien?

  This always happens to me. We do book club every other month and it feels like just a blip ago that we, okay.

• 1:09:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You gotta, you gotta read that.

• 1:09:27Corinne Vien?

  This is why I end up listening to all of the books.

• 1:09:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a 10 hour audiobook. So, and also I recommend listening to it.

• 1:09:32Corinne Vien?

  It's gonna be free for me because I, they're crazy, right?

• 1:09:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It very much reminded me of The Black Tapes, listening to the audiobook.

• 1:09:40Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I love The Black Tapes.

• 1:09:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But in that book, like the different team members have such different perspectives when it comes to paranormal investigating. And like, one of them does have a little bit of like, come at me demon energy.

• 1:09:54Corinne Vien?

  Ticked out of the group.

• 1:09:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's little Randy energy. Yeah.

• 1:09:57Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 1:09:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But, uh, yeah, book club is great. If you want to join us, the next book we're reading is Hollow by Selena Myers. AKA Selene Spooky Boo. And we're excited for that.

• 1:10:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we'll be discussing that in May. Yeah. So join us over there. If you have paranormal encounters and ghost stories, please email them to us at [email protected]. And, uh, rate and review us on iTunes. And join us on Patreon if you want episodes one week early and ad free, plus bonus content, campfire stories, book club, witch class, so many things over there.

• 1:10:29Corinne Vien?

  So many. Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

• 1:10:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And thanks to all of you.

• 1:10:35Corinne Vien?

  We love you.

• 1:10:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we will see you on the other side.

• 1:10:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very spooky.

• 1:10:45Corinne Vien?

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Witness the beginning of the revolution.

• 1:10:50Corinne Vien?

  Hey Mitch, you've been trying to take down these games from the start.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  Filmed for IMAX.

• 1:10:54Corinne Vien?

  Make them remember you.

• 1:10:57Speaker 04

  The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping, November 20th, rated PG-13.