White Lotus Saved TV, Drake Lawsuit Gets Worse, & Elon's Tesla Burning Terrorism

YERRR Schulz's Mom is a Leafs fan apparently, we find out who is an organ donor, the guys learn about American history and find out who is to blame, the viral Ruby Franke story gets broken down, the genius behind White Lotus is revealed, and the debate about Tesla being burnt down is had. All that and more on this week's episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE 0:00 Schulz's mom is a Leafs fans 2:08 Alexx Tennis obsession + Giving blood 10:34 The US government did some WILD things 20:18 Why do we trust Italians? 23:17 HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALEXX + We'll never know 25:46 Weird transition to Mark's baby 27:28 "We can park here" + Uber's so expensive 33:13 Persian Tire Change + Car Rentals are LIARS 36:53 The US has Extreme Gullibility & Religiosity 57:00 Ruby Franke story is wild + Parenting Advice 1:11:54 Jonathan Majors "aggressing" + Wild justifications 1:23:58 George the Messiah v Brian Scalabrine + March Madness 1:36:48 Using Down Syndrome filter for OnlyFans? 1:43:35 White Lotus Allegory, Catch-up & Theories 2:03:13 Emily in Paris predicted Life + Foreshadowing 2:05:55 Austin profile raised by Joe Rogan 2:07:26 UMG calls out Drake + Can Drake win? 2:13:38 Billboard's new rules + The streaming business 2:23:10 If Drake does half-time World Cup show... 2:24:11 JFK Files released 2:26:26 Violence v Tesla - is this terrorism? 2:34:18 Boston Tea party - terrorism, vandalism or revolution? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:29Speaker 03

  What's up, everybody? Welcome. Flagrant has been brought to my attention by the internet, the glorious internet, that my mom was caught outside of a Toronto Maple Leafs hockey game recently. Take it away.

• 1:40Speaker 04

  I'm really sorry. I came all the way from Scotland. I thought the Leafs were gonna win. Two games they lost. It must have been the fact that the guys were so overwhelmed at the size of a massive...

• 1:53Speaker 04

  They lost concentration. I am sorry. They let me sit on the bench. That's why they lost tonight. They were overcome by Scottish pheromones. They didn't know what they were doing.

• 2:04Speaker 05

  Oh, it's so good.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  They let her sit on the bench?

• 2:08Speaker 05

  I never understood where you got your confidence until that clip. It all makes sense.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  Yo, they might be the most confident people. They really just don't give a...

• 2:16Mark Gagnon?

  Are Scottish women known for having huge tits?

• 2:18Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  I know. Most of the women, my Aunt Edith, rest in peace, had huge tits. Like, she looked like Gru. She had all, she was like, all upper body. It was just this massive upper body. But a lot of them start to get fat and then they're just belly and tits become this one thing. Where they're just like, it's just like something put like a square on top of their hips. Adrian's wall. Yes.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  They had to keep the fucking Romans out somehow.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Oh, that's fire, dude.

• 2:44Speaker 05

  Oh, man, this girl was awesome.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's a, she's a big one. That, you know, that, there's like, the Scottish are so, uh, they have like such like a roasty culture.

• 2:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  They're like, you gotta get, you gotta accept whatever the fuck you look like real fast. So if you're, if you're fat, everybody calls you fat since you're a kid. It's kind of like Latinos in a lot of ways. Like the fat kid, they call you, uh, they call you, uh, flaco.

• 3:08Speaker 05

  What does that mean?

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Skinny.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  They'll call you the opposite of what you are. I knew a gordo.

• 3:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, we have, we have like a family name in India. Uh, so my cousin, they just call him Golu, which just means round.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Just means round.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  That's just what's called. That's the name to everybody.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  I mean, I, so then eventually you become like 45 years old and you've been a fat piece of shit your whole life. You learn how to be funny about it and endearing and then, uh, you just take over the internet. So shout out you, miss.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Shout out you, okay?

• 3:38Mark Gagnon?

  I was playing tennis with the number one 14-year-old in DR. And she's like a little darker-skinned Dominican and they were like, hey, negra, negra, negra. That's her name.

• 3:49Speaker 05

  She beat your ass, didn't she?

• 3:50Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, of course. She was nice. 14 years old, busting everybody's ass.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  I feel really coming up on tennis, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Give it some time. Nah, you guys got that quick. What'd they call you out there?

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Shitty. I really was the weakest link out there. That it humbled me quite a bit. Do you have a tennis ball on your nail? I do. Oh, wow.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  You know what dude, I like it.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  That's like, like, I love it.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  You're like the gay version of her.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  You're like that but for gay.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  I'll take it. Thank you. No, cause he doesn't wanna have fun with it. He like.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  Oh, that is true.

• 4:25Speaker 03

  Like, she knows she got huge fat tits and she's a big sloppy girl and she leans into it.

• 4:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  But you get a little sensitive. Fly as fuck. No, exactly. That's the problem. She doesn't think she's flying. Like, she doesn't really think her tits distracted the maple leaf. I think she believed that. No, no. She believed that. She believed. She said it with conviction. We need to get you to that point though. We need to get you to the point where you're just accepting.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you were like, I'm not good at tennis because there's no good homosexual tennis players.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 05

  That would be that.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  No, there was Arthur Ashe.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  That's a deep cut. Wait, who's Arthur Ashe? That's a deep cut joke. He died of AIDS? He's the one who died of AIDS.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  And we named a stadium after him. Isn't that crazy?

• 5:06Speaker 05

  Cause he got a blood transfusion, dog. Back then they didn't know. Back then they didn't know.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  I think he got it from a deep cut.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  No, you really think it was a blood transfusion?

• 5:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was like the seventies. They didn't even start checking until after he died.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  So there was just some random gay guy getting buttfucked, cummed in, and then going to Mount Sinai and.

• 5:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, cause they didn't know back then. They didn't even understand what AIDS was until like, what, the late eighties?

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Who gives blood? Like, I'm trying to like, what's going on in your life? Were you like? I get, I get blood.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  Really?

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  I'm giving plasma.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Yes, I did the same thing. Oh, do you guys have the fancy blood? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  No, I don't, but plasma I heard they needed and I was trying to be a good person. I gave up on that shit. Don't worry.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Man, I see your blood and throw that shit out.

• 5:47Speaker 03

  Why's there so much lipid in that?

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Why is yellow?

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Blood transfusion type two diabetes a week, man. Corn syrup.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, if anybody get diabetes, like Arthur Ashe. That's me.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  That's my blood.

• 6:04Speaker 07

  RFK will ban your blood immediately. Fucking red dye a million.

• 6:08Speaker 05

  Why is there so much corn here for you?

• 6:10Speaker 03

  So what's going through your life when you, was there like a call made? Like, hey, we need blood because there's a travesty?

• 6:17Speaker 05

  I had donated before and you actually feel better. At first you feel kinda like shit when you donate blood, but then, I don't know, you start to feel like.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  I've done it too. I thought it was for like a credit or something in college. Like I thought there was some sort of.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  I did that for nine eleven, so everybody knew which team I was on. That was important in my high school.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  Well, which team did you donate to? You did it to the dudes in Afghanistan.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  No, no, no, dude. That visa took too long. So I just went to the mosque and, uh, no, I did it in my high school. They had like a blood drive.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  I don't even know.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  So they were, so they were milking nine eleven for blood?

• 6:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know, but you need your blood in Texas. That's some fucked up shit, man.

• 6:50Mark Gagnon?

  When I was in law enforcement, they used to force us to do it, like every six months.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  Really? You feel good afterward though, right? After like an hour?

• 6:57Mark Gagnon?

  I just used to do it for the fucking chocolate and a little time off from work.

• 7:01Speaker 07

  At my high school, they would drive up with a bus, five Jamaican ladies would be on it. And then you'd go on, you'd give blood and they'd give you a movie ticket and you got to skip class.

• 7:09Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 07

  And so they would just mill, but you, there were fifteen year olds going on this bus, giving blood like three times a week.

• 7:14Speaker 05

  But that's sick. You get a movie ticket.

• 7:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  Movie ticket now. We don't do it for just to be good Samaritans.

• 7:20Speaker 07

  The movie ticket is forty dollars. They sell the blood for six hundred dollars. It's like an insane.

• 7:23Speaker 05

  They sell it?

• 7:24Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. These buses are just selling it to the hospitals and they make crazy money on it.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought the buses were from the hospital.

• 7:31Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 7:32Speaker 07

  They're like independent blood harvesters from children.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  Can someone fact check this, please? That seems insane.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Okay, so when Hollywood does it, they're like these evil elites. Five Jamaican ladies do it.

• 7:42Speaker 07

  Steal blood from children.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, the blood slide team.

• 7:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, dude. It was wild. And you gotta skip class.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  So it's a private company that comes and makes money off of?

• 7:53Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 7:54Speaker 07

  That's what I thought.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  The American Red Cross does it and shit like that, I think, right?

• 7:57Speaker 07

  Mine was just the Big Red Bus. That's what it was called.

• 7:59Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we had the Big Red Bus.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, and they would just pull up and you got to skip class. No parental consent form or anything.

• 8:05Mark Gagnon?

  They go to Floridians.

• 8:06Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 8:07Mark Gagnon?

  These motherfuckers would just go in a random red bus and just give their blood to anybody.

• 8:12Speaker 07

  I wanted to start this as a business in college where you go to spring break locations, pull blood out of people, then they get drunk faster and you get their blood.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 8:20Speaker 07

  That's a win-win.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 8:22Speaker 07

  Kind of smart, right?

• 8:23Speaker 05

  That's a good idea.

• 8:23Speaker 07

  Right?

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, because with less blood, your blood alcohol.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  People will die.

• 8:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, then more blood, you know? It's just like, it's kind of a perfect system.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, do we ever drain the dead? What is the, uh, yeah, like, how long is blood good? Like, if somebody dies, we'll take their, their lungs, we'll take their liver.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  As soon as they announce time of death, they should take the whole.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Dune, just take whatever.

• 8:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like that's, uh, why don't we do that? Are you an organ donor? Let me check.

• 8:50Speaker 07

  That freaks me out. I said no.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I said no.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  Y'all said no?

• 8:54Speaker 03

  I think I said no. Because if you believe in the afterlife.

• 8:58Speaker 05

  They don't need organs. It's a soul.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, but my idea of the afterlife is I got what I got. I'm gonna be whatever.

• 9:05Speaker 07

  Your shoulder still hurts in the afterlife?

• 9:06Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 9:07Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:08Mark Gagnon?

  They don't even have it anymore.

• 9:09Speaker 07

  Wow, you're an organ donor. No, no, no, you gotta take that off.

• 9:11Mark Gagnon?

  So they took it off the New York license.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Class D. What is that?

• 9:15Speaker 05

  They didn't, it means you're not one.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Class D.

• 9:17Mark Gagnon?

  If it's just not there, you can drive.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Oh, shit.

• 9:20Speaker 05

  Yo, Al thought he was an organ donor and they took it off his license.

• 9:23Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, it used to say organ donor or not, or I thought it said not.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Now it just says donor or not, like I just got the little heart there.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  Do you have a New York license?

• 9:30Speaker 05

  No, I got the Texas, but I'm sure it's the same shit.

• 9:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  I don't think I'm a donor, bro.

• 9:34Speaker 07

  I don't think it's true.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  I don't think you're a donor either.

• 9:37Speaker 07

  My mom told me not to do it.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  Hey, wild guest here.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  No, it's class D. D is for donor.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  No.

• 9:43Speaker 07

  No, no. That's the grade you got on your driving test.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Let me drive a golf cart.

• 9:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 9:54Speaker 07

  My mom told me not to do it because if I was on the operating table, they said she, they would harvest my organs.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  That's why I knew that was it.

• 9:59Speaker 07

  That's what my mom told me.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  They all say that, like, they're not gonna try to save you as much, as if a doctor sees like a fresh pair of kidneys. All right, let this motherfucker bleed out.

• 10:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, they don't see your license.

• 10:08Speaker 08

  But they'll take the blood.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  They don't take the blood.

• 10:10Speaker 08

  It starts to clot and it's, they take it from the liver.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  They take it from the living people.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  But I'm saying if it's

• 10:15Speaker 05

  But if somebody develops that technology, that's, that's gonna save a lot of lives.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then we don't have to, you know, you don't have to pull up to these kids in school. Yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:23Mark Gagnon?

  Poor kids in lighting. They were in like Haitian using that shit for voodoo and shit.

• 10:27Speaker 07

  No, they might have been, honestly, they might have been. They did a sperm donation bus right after, it was crazy.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Can we speak to that?

• 10:33Speaker 07

  All the high schools would line up. It was a glorious thing, it was fun.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Dude, two for one.

• 10:37Speaker 07

  Yes, bro. The big white bus pulled up right behind it.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  But you gotta jerk off before because you won't have the blood to fill your dick. So you gotta jerk off first, then you give blood.

• 10:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  And you take the blood right from the dick. So they drain your dick. You jerk off, it's still hard, and then you just tap it.

• 10:54Speaker 07

  Bro, Brandon said that, you remember, you know Brandon?

• 10:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 07

  He said I would

• 10:57Speaker 05

  I do, I know him.

• 10:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  He's here every week.

• 11:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  I forgot, he's my friend, I didn't know you guys knew.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 11:05Speaker 03

  You mean the guy that works for us?

• 11:06Speaker 05

  We get it, you have a black friend.

• 11:07Speaker 07

  I have two now, I have two. He said, uh, you're not racist, Mark.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 07

  You're not racist.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  But if you wanna prove it to the world, just go on Shanish our spot.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Go, go, go.

• 11:24Speaker 07

  He said he would never get a, he wouldn't get a blood transfusion because he doesn't want another man's blood in his penis.

• 11:32Mark Gagnon?

  That's funny.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  That's fucked though.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  He's like, it's kinda gay, you get a blood transfusion, someone else's blood pumping your dick up, that's gay.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, you just gotta die, I guess.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  Wow, that's right, I guess, yeah, you never think about blood as like your thing. If you feel like it's like water or something like that, we just all have access to it, but yeah, it's your blood. And you got another man's blood fucking your wife.

• 11:55Mark Gagnon?

  Black people come up with the best homophobia, bro.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  Anything to not go to the hospital, bro.

• 12:01Mark Gagnon?

  We're top tier because of that, bro.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  I mean, we gave you syphilis one time, now you're scared to go.

• 12:07Speaker 05

  Syphilis?

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, over it. Not real?

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Syphilis.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Syphilis, once, and now you don't wanna go to the hospital. You wouldn't even get that COVID shot, probably because of the syphilis thing.

• 12:15Speaker 05

  No, I mean, for sure, because of the syphilis.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  It was because of the syphilis thing.

• 12:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  So they were just straight up injecting syphilis into black people?

• 12:22Speaker 07

  Into the pilots, yeah.

• 12:23Speaker 05

  And then telling him it was like medicine or something.

• 12:25Mark Gagnon?

  Like, what's gonna happen? It's like, let's just see.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  But why did they not think that you would just get syphilis?

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Like, what's the experiment?

• 12:34Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know.

• 12:35Speaker 05

  They wanted to see the effects of it or whatever, I guess. Instead of getting syphilis patients, they're like, well, let's just inject healthy black people.

• 12:44Speaker 05

  It's so fucked.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  That's why you don't trust the government.

• 12:48Speaker 07

  They did in Guatemala, too.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Did they?

• 12:49Speaker 07

  USAID.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  USAID, support it. So they didn't trust the results from the black people. We need a bigger data set.

• 12:57Speaker 07

  They're like, which race can survive syphilis?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  Is that, come on, be honest, is that the idea behind it? Or did they like mutate the virus a little bit?

• 13:04Speaker 07

  I don't know. I think it was just to see like what late term syphilis looked like, like untreated. That's what I think. I don't know.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Watching you realize this is so funny. Watching you realize this in real time, and you're such a history guy and somehow.

• 13:20Speaker 05

  Who's more history than this guy?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  The Romans, bro?

• 13:25Speaker 07

  The Romans are more fire.

• 13:27Speaker 05

  They had baby tigers?

• 13:29Speaker 03

  I still don't believe that. Y'all don't believe that. I still don't believe that. You don't believe it. I still don't believe that you don't believe that they were able to do that.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  He just kidnapped cubs.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  You're trying to say that they, they put syphilis in fully grown black people? And then when they got syphilis, they were like, this syphilis shit is crazy. That was the takeaway.

• 13:49Speaker 05

  And the black people kept getting sick and they're like, we're trying to give you medicine. And it was just more syphilis.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  Fauci was alive during this? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

• 13:58Speaker 07

  I think Fauci did it.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Who was the Fauci at the time that signed off on this?

• 14:01Speaker 05

  All white people.

• 14:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:02Speaker 03

  That's the problem. We need to throw the bad whites under the bus.

• 14:06Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  The, the fact that we don't have a Fauci, that it was his program.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  Mendel and Hitler, you got, they got the guys. You know the guys.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Well, we know about them when they did it.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  Germans threw their guys under the bus.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  We need to throw them under the bus.

• 14:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  We need to know who the Fauci was at the time.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  White Americans need better PR. I believe that. That's a thing.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you. I've been saying this for fucking years. I'm trying to do my best. Good version of us out there for the world to consume. I agree.

• 14:31Speaker 05

  Nah, they got white men.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  How do y'all not know who did that to you? Yeah, I think all of you. That's the problem. That's the problem.

• 14:38Speaker 05

  That's the design. That's my point.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  We like it. Can you just be honest? These fucking prostitutes, y'all got syphilis, you blame it on us? Can you just be hon- you're telling me the pilots? We got it from the white prostitutes. I believe it. I mean, that's how they got Capone too, right? Didn't have Capone go down for syphilis?

• 14:54Speaker 05

  He did go down.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  So maybe.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  He was also, or something that, it was maybe gonorrhea, something apparently that was very easily treatable with like penicillin.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  But he was so afraid of like injections or whatever, he just died.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  Because Sicilians are black.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  That's true. That's true.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  We're finding connectivity here.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  You're doing a bath right now. Yeah, that's cool. Damn, bro, that's crazy that we don't know the, the person responsible for that study.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  It's crazy you didn't know.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  No, no, I knew what happened. I knew that they were, you know, not using protection and they got syphilis.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  I knew something happened, you know? But I, I didn't know that there was a specific psychopath that was like, hey, let's just inject syphilis in them and then see if they get it.

• 15:33Speaker 05

  It was a government thing, was it not?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  But I thought, I thought what they did is like they mutated the, the virus in some way and they thought that it would create, um.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  I could be wrong.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  An immunity to the disease. No, you're, you're right, Akash.

• 15:44Speaker 05

  Okay. Study conducted between 1932 and 1972, 40 fucking years by the United States Public Health.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  They didn't figure that shit out after three years?

• 15:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The United States Public Health Service and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  400 African-American men with syphilis.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  See who headed the program? I want to know who was responsible. The fact that it's not in the Wikipedia article, this is crazy. You know, all white people get blamed for it. No white people are just sitting around hoping you get syphilis. They're probably hoping way worse things, the really, the really racist ones, they're not even satisfied with the syphilis. Glad you had that part, the really racist. The most racist white guys go, let's give them this curable disease. Yeah. Right? Like, so what kind of weird mutated psychopath would even develop something?

• 16:31Speaker 05

  Treatable back then?

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  By the end of the study, medical advances meant it was entirely treatable.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  So you guys, hold on. Yo. Wait a minute, hold on. It worked?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I didn't want to say it, but now that Mark said it.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Let's get Daryl Cooper on here, he's gonna have an alternative take on history.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  Can I read the sentence before that on the Wikipedia, Joey? Uh, "The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated." So I think they specifically didn't want to treat them to see what happened. I mean, that's the most fucked.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  This is just diabolical. We gotta figure out. Talia Pharaoh Clark? That's what I'm saying. Talia Pharaoh Clark. Talia Pharaoh doesn't sound super white, I'm gonna be honest.

• 17:17Mark Gagnon?

  It doesn't feel Jewish.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  I was thinking that? I know. Was holding his breath. So Doug was sitting back there, waiting for it to be Colin Ginsberg.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Oh, this is a white. That is a white.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  That's an Italian. That's an Italian, bro.

• 17:34Mark Gagnon?

  That's not an Italian.

• 17:35Speaker 05

  No, his name is Charles. He looks like Prince Charles, to be honest with you.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  No, his name is Talia Pharaoh.

• 17:40Speaker 05

  Oh, Charles Talia Pharaoh.

• 17:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, just 'cause you say it.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Talia Pharaoh. Charlie Talia Pharaoh.

• 17:45Speaker 05

  Talia Pharaoh, Dr. Talia Pharaoh. And his name is Charles. They're trying to ethnic it up right now to make it.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  No, but you always get a white name when you come to America, so to fucking blame white people for it. Yeah, this guy's a fascist Italian, of course. Yeah, we had, listen, he's basically a Nazi. The Italians back then were Nazis. They saw what the Nazis were doing, were like, okay, we like that shit. And some, some will say it's like they love clothing so much that they're like, ah, whatever. But the reality is, is they were Nazis. So they came here and they tried to do Nazi shit. That's not on us. White people just became white after that whole civilist thing. Yeah. Sorry, Italians just became, we never considered them white when they were doing this horrible stuff.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  It wasn't until black people got equality that they were like, we need numbers.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Some people say that. I personally don't subscribe to that.

• 18:30Mark Gagnon?

  I think it wasn't until, yeah, they came out with a couple of good movies. Now it's like, alright, we want those. I think it was a couple of good movies.

• 18:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, Godfather.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  If entertainment was the metric, y'all would have been accepted way earlier. Bring up the other guy.

• 18:44Mark Gagnon?

  We're not close enough.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Oh, what's the other guy?

• 18:46Mark Gagnon?

  We're not white passing.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  The other guy part of this experiment.

• 18:48Mark Gagnon?

  They tried to take some of our half whites.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Raymond Von der Leyen. Definitely not us. Look at this. He did it. Well, look at that.

• 18:56Speaker 07

  Click on his page real quick. Where's this guy from?

• 18:58Speaker 03

  That's a German. That's a German name, right? That's a fucking German right there. So you have a Nazi Italian and a Nazi German that developed this disgusting program where they're abusing American citizens.

• 19:10Speaker 07

  And accidentally cure syphilis.

• 19:18Speaker 07

  How dare these guys, the audacity. These fucking Nazis come over here and cure syphilis.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  The fact that the Wikipedia article in the first paragraph ends with, and then they found a crystal. Like, you gotta let that shit out.

• 19:30Speaker 07

  You gotta imagine this guy's son is walking around and be like, they cured it though.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 07

  Right?

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 19:36Speaker 07

  Look, it wasn't good, but look at it.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  I think we gotta look into the descendants of the Von der Leyens and then the, what was it? Taliaferro Clark.

• 19:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Stop making it ethnic.

• 19:47Mark Gagnon?

  I know, right?

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Taliaferro. His name is Charles Clark. No, his name was Taliaferro.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  And then the other one is. We give him a syphilis. Let's chew them with a little syphilis.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Take the mule here on a syphilis.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Little like plant with a syphilis. Oh my god. Oh, there's a racism section that we quickly, quickly.

• 20:14Mark Gagnon?

  American history sucks.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. German and, German Nazis and Italian Nazis that we let into the country suck.

• 20:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 20:22Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but you guys let them do this fuck shit.

• 20:26Speaker 07

  Listen, bro. We didn't know what they were gonna do.

• 20:27Mark Gagnon?

  In the government, doing all this.

• 20:28Speaker 07

  They gave us a good sales pitch. We're gonna cure syphilis, really, that sounds awesome. By any means necessary. Alright, I was looking at the means. Okay, can we see what that exactly is gonna be?

• 20:38Mark Gagnon?

  That's why now they can only use white mice.

• 20:42Speaker 07

  That is a good point. That is an interesting point. It is always white, bro.

• 20:49Speaker 05

  Can't be any color by some white ones, bro. This highlight is rough, dude.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Look at this fucking racist Guinea right here. Look what he said.

• 20:57Speaker 07

  Italian Ferro.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Italian Ferro Clarkson. The rather low intelligence of the negro population, depressed economic condition, and the common promiscuity, sexy relations. Not only contributing to the spread of the civiliz, but the prevailing indifference with regards to the itment. That's a fucking Guido if you ever see one, right? Look at that fucking racist.

• 21:24Speaker 07

  I read it with you. I have no idea what you just said.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  It's disgusting if you would say that.

• 21:28Speaker 07

  Does anyone understand what just happened?

• 21:30Speaker 03

  Imagine showing up to the Senate or wherever, you gotta get approved for this thing, right? We have an idea. We have put the vaccine inside of the black people in the fix of the civil. And you're a white person that's never even heard an Italian speak before. You're like, oh my God, that sounds like a good idea. Get him the fuck out of here. Sign off on this thing. It's horrible.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Why would we trust Italians with science in the first place?

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 21:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Ferrari came in last place this last weekend in F1. The only thing they do good is make cars.

• 22:00Speaker 07

  They were popping Galileo, right?

• 22:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, 1500, that's what I'm saying. Renaissance.

• 22:05Speaker 07

  They had a good run.

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, 400 years ago.

• 22:07Speaker 07

  And they were part of it with the.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  I don't even think they're Italian.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  I don't think, I don't think Galileo was Italian. I don't think Da Vinci.

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Da Vinci's not Italian last night. Leonardo da Vinci?

• 22:16Speaker 07

  I don't believe it. Why?

• 22:18Speaker 05

  It's the only name more Italian than Mark's sons.

• 22:22Speaker 07

  How is Luigi Mengeoni Italian? What do you mean?

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I mean, they're bad people.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  The Italians?

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  Food is good enough though.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Oh my God, and the cults are amazing.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  And you go there and you're like.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  You won't get us to do it.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Ah, Amalfi is just amazing. They're just, they just got it. I just wanna hold myself. I just wanna hold myself. And you're right, the cinema is fantastic. Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 05

  Guys, my sellout streak ended. You know, I had sold out so many shows in a row. I was doing 4,000 tickets in Brea. Tulsa, Oklahoma, can you believe it? I didn't sell out in Tulsa, Oklahoma. That gotta change. We gotta get back on track. Omaha, Nebraska. This week, I'm at the Funny Bone. Buy your tickets. Uh, next week, March 28th, I'm in Columbus, Ohio. I know there's a lot of Indians there. You better buy your fucking tickets. April 10th through 13th, I'm gonna be, uh, making up for those shows in Tampa. Most of the tickets are already sold out. We've added, I don't know if we're gonna be able to add anymore. Maybe we can find some real estate somewhere, but I don't know if there's any more room to add. So hurry up and buy those tickets. April 17th through 20th, I'm gonna be in Denver. And obviously 4/20 in Denver at Comedy Works. You know what that means. I'm gonna be getting high on stage. Maybe I'll do shrooms. Maybe we'll level it up. So those dates and many

• 23:28Speaker 05

  more at akashsingh.com. Buy your tickets right now. Let's get back to the show.

• 23:32Speaker 07

  What's up, guys? World's fastest ad read. Please don't skip. New York City, I'm gonna be doing my monthly show with Joey Avery, March 25th. Bangor, Maine, I'll be there April 26th. Portland, Maine.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  You can bang or suck his dick.

• 23:42Speaker 07

  I'll be there April 27th and a bunch of other dates. Charleston, Atlanta, uh, Strasburg, Hoboken, Indianapolis, Raleigh, Portland, Oregon, Fort Worth, Austin, Stanford, Philly, and a bunch of other dates.

• 23:51Speaker 05

  TheMarkDagnon.com. Find places to suck his dick.

• 23:55Speaker 07

  Let's get back to the show. Thanks.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  But it's really messed up what they did to those black people, man. Yeah. And you guys should never forgive them for it. Specifically, the Germans and the Italians. Yes. Thank God for us good whites that stopped that program.

• 24:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but now y'all let them in, so now we hate who you all.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  Oh, that's on y'all.

• 24:11Speaker 07

  That feels like prejudice. That feels like racism.

• 24:13Mark Gagnon?

  I'm just saying, why'd you let them in?

• 24:13Speaker 07

  When you blame the group for the actions of the few.

• 24:15Mark Gagnon?

  Why'd you let them in?

• 24:16Speaker 07

  Are you anti-immigration all of a sudden?

• 24:19Speaker 03

  All of a sudden?

• 24:21Speaker 07

  They've been anti-immigration since the most...

• 24:28Speaker 07

  Black people have not been supportive of immigration since the fucking transatlantic slave trade. The last thing they want.

• 24:37Mark Gagnon?

  We're still saying reverse this shit, bro.

• 24:41Speaker 05

  Oh my God, dude.

• 24:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's rough.

• 24:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, that had a great look.

• 24:44Mark Gagnon?

  That's rough.

• 24:44Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, sorry about that. On Al's birthday of all days.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, happy birthday, Al. Happy birthday, Al.

• 24:51Mark Gagnon?

  Thank you, guys.

• 24:51Speaker 07

  On Al's 32nd birthday, we're gonna bring this shit up.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  You're healthy? That's pretty good.

• 24:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:57Mark Gagnon?

  From what I know.

• 24:57Speaker 05

  37?

• 24:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 07

  Did you ever get gonorrhea or syphilis or what?

• 25:01Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 25:01Speaker 07

  What's the one you just take a pill for?

• 25:03Speaker 05

  I think that's gonorrhea.

• 25:04Speaker 07

  Gonorrhea, yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 25:05Speaker 07

  Who'd we test that on?

• 25:07Speaker 03

  How'd we figure that out? But like, how'd we figure the cure for gonorrhea?

• 25:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 25:12Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, isn't there a cure already?

• 25:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, how'd we get there is what he's...

• 25:16Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, how'd we get... I missed that.

• 25:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, where were the gonorrhea experiments?

• 25:18Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 25:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what even does gonorrhea do to you? You just get like dick pimples or something?

• 25:24Speaker 03

  I don't know why you're looking at me.

• 25:25Mark Gagnon?

  You said you had it.

• 25:26Speaker 07

  You're the one holding your dick, right?

• 25:27Speaker 03

  I don't know if I had it.

• 25:28Mark Gagnon?

  You said, you said you had one of them.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Let me tell you something.

• 25:31Mark Gagnon?

  Why are you saying you had one of them?

• 25:37Mark Gagnon?

  His dick got the first one.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  Thirty-two years from now, we gonna find out if I ever had that shit. No, uh, no, I think I, I went and, uh, I was like, yo, I don't know, this shit feels a little warmer when I pee than usual.

• 25:47Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  And, uh, and the doctor was like, listen, you could just take these pills right now for gonorrhea and it'll go away, or you could just wait and see if it goes away automatically, but there's no point in taking the test to see if you have gonorrhea. And I was like, alright, I'll just take them pills.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  And it went away?

• 26:01Speaker 03

  That shit, I think it did, I don't know.

• 26:06Speaker 07

  You, wait, what?

• 26:07Speaker 05

  You still have gonorrhea?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  No, I took the pills.

• 26:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  And it went away?

• 26:12Speaker 03

  I think it did.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  We'll never know. We'll really never know.

• 26:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, that's a great answer.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  You don't get tested, you don't get tested, you can never get shit.

• 26:23Speaker 07

  That's crazy that that was the prescription. You just went in, he's like, yeah, take it anyway.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, yo, I'm peeing and it's like a little warmer by a few degrees than normal.

• 26:32Mark Gagnon?

  Doctors are so lazy. He doesn't give me fucking answer by answer, he's like, you gotta call...

• 26:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, some bacteria, so you just give it antibiotics, I guess, and it's like, we're good.

• 26:40Speaker 07

  Just do chemo and just in case. Yeah. Why not? Just see.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  This is one of the ones that you take the antibiotic. You know, sometimes they're like, oh, it could weaken your immune system. If I might have gonorrhea, give me the fucking antibiotic.

• 26:49Mark Gagnon?

  Hell, yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Hmm. I was still fucking on that shit, flamethrower.

• 26:59Mark Gagnon?

  He definitely weren't spreading gonorrhea. You definitely weren't doing that.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Holding that shit like Elon.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Were you nutting harder?

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Aw dude, the nuts were coming out molten lava.

• 27:11Speaker 07

  Spicy, bro.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Just chunks.

• 27:13Speaker 07

  Spicy.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Chunks, that shit was coming out in chunks.

• 27:16Speaker 07

  Bro, speaking of which, I was holding my little baby over.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Why are we talking about?

• 27:19Speaker 07

  That was a weird transition. No, chunks made me think of it. Chunks made me think of spicy, right? She knows coming out his dick and that. Why are y'all thinking that? That was such a weird transition.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  You said, "Speaking of which."

• 27:32Speaker 07

  Of junkie, bro, of junkie. I was holding my little baby near the, near the window. And he threw up onto the radiator.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Oh!

• 27:40Speaker 07

  And there's a, there's a cover on the radiator, so like, it kinda went in, went through the grate all the way down, like the hot part.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 27:46Speaker 07

  Didn't bring it up to anyone. And then we went out of the house for a walk.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 27:51Speaker 07

  And then the radiator kicked off.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 27:53Speaker 07

  And we came home. It was just fucking cheese, dude.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 07

  The whole part was fondue.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Oh god, so it's just cooking, it's cooking the vomit. Oh, it's vomit hotter.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  It's just milk.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Oh! Dude, how, how do you even clean that if you have a cover for it?

• 28:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, we had to like get underneath it, turn it off, wipe it down. Just me, just cleaning up. On my wife's birthday.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Oh, happy birthday to your wife.

• 28:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  What'd you get her for, uh, her birthday?

• 28:18Speaker 07

  This is the most annoying thing. I was like, "Hey, what do you want for your birthday?" Like a, a thing that I could buy you? Maybe we could do like an experience, we could get a chef to come and make breakfast.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Money at the problem, it's the best.

• 28:27Speaker 07

  She just said, "You know what? I would just love to hang out with you."

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 28:30Speaker 07

  Oh, you're a horrible husband.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  That's the most, that's the most expensive gift.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  You're horrible.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  That's the most expensive gift. It's so, oh my, it's millions of dollars.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  We love you! Buds, we love you!

• 28:45Speaker 07

  Yes, yes.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Buds, this is a podcast, we love you, okay? Yeah, it's true.

• 28:50Speaker 07

  But a chef would have been, yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you could have knocked that shit out in an hour.

• 28:55Speaker 07

  Who knows?

• 28:55Speaker 03

  You're done.

• 28:56Speaker 07

  Who knows what could have happened?

• 28:56Speaker 03

  I hear you.

• 28:57Speaker 07

  Who knows where my, where I could have been career-wise?

• 28:58Speaker 03

  I don't know if I told you this shit, but I was going to, uh, going to the Museum of Natural History at Shiloh, did I tell you guys this?

• 29:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, you did, you did.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  And, uh, going to the Natural His, Museum of Natural History at Shiloh, whatever, we, we go to Park, shut up. You of all people. You guys get back. That's fun to get back. Okay, so, we go to Park and... And we park on this, you know, like, almost like right in front of Museum of Natural History. I'm like, I don't know if this shit seems right. My wife's driving. She parallel parks. She finally gets into the spot, which is wide open, but it takes her four or five tries. She goes to pay the meter. As she goes to pay the meter, you know, I'm from New York, I don't trust parking anytime. I see the meter maid walk past us and I go, yo, by the way, is the, uh, is, can we park here? And the guy goes, nah, you can't park here right now. I go, oh, Emma, we can't, we can't actually park here. My wife looks at me, she goes, oh, no, we can't.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  I go, I go, no, no, Emma, I just asked the guy who gives the tickets, we could park here. She goes, no, I'm, we could park here. I look back at the guy, cause I'm helpless at this point. I look back at the guy, right? I look back at the guy. The guy looks at me, he goes,

• 30:09Speaker 03

  good luck, bro. He goes, good luck, my boy. The guy who gives the tickets looks at my wife, he goes, you can't park here? And my wife's like, that motherfucker don't know what the hell he's talking about.

• 30:18Speaker 07

  But he knows that you're right either way. You're in a great position. Because either you, you move the car and you're right, or you get a ticket and you come back, you go, oh, that's so weird. We got a ticket. I wonder why.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  Oh, he knows that I'm gonna be fine.

• 30:28Speaker 07

  And you're right again. So he's looking at you like, hey, I got you.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  No, he's looking at me like, man, what this guy gotta put up with?

• 30:35Speaker 03

  You know, he's, he's dressed like a police officer.

• 30:37Speaker 07

  Yeah. When you call him meter maid, it's hilarious.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  I know. Like, we are really disrespectful.

• 30:41Speaker 07

  New Yorkers kept on to that.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Fuck them. They're, they're all Indian.

• 30:46Speaker 05

  They are. They're the ops, dude.

• 30:47Speaker 07

  They're all.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  They have tickets. Fuck them.

• 30:49Speaker 07

  They're all five two.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  They're in here, India on the ops list.

• 30:51Speaker 07

  They don't have one uniform that fits them. Every meter maid I've ever seen is in like a si- a size three X.

• 30:56Speaker 05

  I've never seen an Indian meter maid, but if you gave me a ticket.

• 30:59Speaker 07

  All of them, they're all Indian. They're all like, they're all like.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  All the traffic cops are Indian and all the meter maids are in it.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  I've seen West Indian traffic cops.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, with the West Indian.

• 31:09Mark Gagnon?

  All the disappointing Indians are meter maid or comics.

• 31:14Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, and their outfits are always too big. Like, and they just, when they walk around, they got the big thing on their side, and then they give everyone tickets. Yeah, it's very annoying.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Bro, my wife has been girl mathing tickets. Where, uh, she's convinced herself.

• 31:28Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, we've already.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  She keeps on doing this shit to me. She's like, man, Uber is so expensive. I bet, what? And she's like, yeah, have you taken an Uber lately? It's so expensive. I go, yeah, I guess maybe it's gone up a little bit. She's like, no, it's like crazy. Like, every time you get an Uber, it's like thirty-five bucks. I go, thirty-five bucks? That's pretty specific.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Why are you saying that? She's like, yeah, thank God. Like, that's why I drive everywhere. Like, and then she'll be like, yeah, like, even if I get, like, a ticket, it's actually cheaper when you think about it, if I, if I don't take an Uber. I open up one of my drawers.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  I thought she was giving out tickets. Like, I thought that there was like, there was like thirty tickets in the fucking drawer. And in her mind, she's like, but I'm saving us money.

• 32:09Mark Gagnon?

  Look at how much money we're making.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  This is money saved. This is five dollars saved each one of these tickets.

• 32:13Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 32:14Mark Gagnon?

  That's what, you know, even if you pay the shit off, eventually, when you get too many, they just revoke shit.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  What do you mean? They'll take your car?

• 32:20Mark Gagnon?

  No, uh, your registration. Like, they'll revoke it if you get too many tickets, yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  But can I just tell them that how Uber's so expensive?

• 32:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  What if I say that? What if I say that?

• 32:31Mark Gagnon?

  They did that shit to me once, when I was doing that same girl math. I used to do it back in the day. I was like, instead of a parking garage, I'm like, yeah, I just get the thirty-five dollar.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  I thought about that. This is how expensive. So, no, no, no, no. So, this is how expensive New York is. It's actually cheaper to not do a parking garage and just get tickets and leave your car on the street.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  I mean, I guess depending on how many times you get tickets.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Well, no, you'll get tickets the exact amount of times.

• 32:55Mark Gagnon?

  If you keep your ticket every time, once a week, it might be sixty bucks.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  You're only getting two tickets a week, right? Because you can't go Tuesday and Thursday. So, you get two tickets a week. That is, let's say, sixty bucks a ticket, a hundred and twenty dollars. Four weeks in a month, what is that, forty, four hundred and eighty bucks?

• 33:08Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  So four hundred and eighty bucks. A parking garage like in Manhattan, it's a thousand dollars a month.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  It's half the price to just get tickets. So anybody that has a garage in the city, it's so your car doesn't get broken into.

• 33:21Mark Gagnon?

  And that's why New York picked up on game and they're like, nah, you keep getting too many tickets.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  We're gonna have to punish you.

• 33:26Mark Gagnon?

  Take your car.

• 33:27Speaker 07

  Well, have you seen the new thing where they don't even put a boot on you? They just put like a blindfold on your car?

• 33:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:32Speaker 07

  Have you seen this?

• 33:33Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:33Speaker 07

  This is hilarious.

• 33:34Speaker 05

  I saw a boot last week.

• 33:35Speaker 07

  Really? No, the new thing apparently is like they just put this giant like mat that like sticks to your window. So you can't see out the windshield.

• 33:41Speaker 08

  And they can only get it off with a special solvent.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  Well, that was the idea with the, go.

• 33:46Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, probably because there's groups of people you can call on now.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  And they'll take the boot.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  They'll take the boot. I saw a guy drive the boot, break the shit, fuck up his own car, got out of there, dog. It was unbelievable.

• 33:57Speaker 07

  You kind of got to respect.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  You wanna play a game? The game is called Guess What Race He Was.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Was he part of the Civil?

• 34:08Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, this is.

• 34:09Speaker 07

  But I look at this, I'm like, oh, I could drive around that. Like you pop your head out the window, I think you easily.

• 34:13Speaker 08

  I think that's the problem. People start driving with their head out the window.

• 34:16Speaker 07

  But do they track them? They must have trackers or something, right?

• 34:18Speaker 08

  Probably.

• 34:19Speaker 07

  Like, that's crazy.

• 34:20Mark Gagnon?

  Wow.

• 34:21Speaker 08

  I took the boot off in college.

• 34:23Speaker 07

  How?

• 34:24Speaker 08

  I just took the wheel off, put the spare on.

• 34:26Speaker 07

  Did you really?

• 34:26Speaker 08

  I drove to where our campus security was and I was like, hey, take this off with the tire.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  Oh, you took the entire wheel off?

• 34:33Speaker 08

  Yeah. And then I put the spare on and I drove away. I was like, I have shit to do today.

• 34:37Speaker 05

  Yo, low key, how much is a new wheel? I bet you a new wheel is cheaper.

• 34:42Speaker 07

  Oh, I mean, if you do a Persian tire change.

• 34:45Speaker 05

  What is that?

• 34:46Speaker 07

  Where you rent the same car that you have, switch out all the tires and then return your car.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  Oh, shit. This is why you can't have immigration, bro. This is the problem with immigration.

• 34:55Speaker 07

  You never heard of the Persian tire change?

• 34:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 34:57Mark Gagnon?

  I wish I'd done that.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Bro, this shit is, Dove is silent right now. Dove is silent. Okay, this is.

• 35:03Speaker 07

  Buddy G-Wagon, one day, buddy, just one G-Wagon.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  No, this is.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  Twick, twick.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 35:10Speaker 05

  Genius.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Cause we don't even think about it because we're like good people. If you come from a place where you don't get rewarded for being good, you go, okay, I'll just take advantage.

• 35:18Speaker 07

  But also if you're screwing over like fucking, I don't know, some car dealer or some car rental. Car rental people are such scumbags anyway.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  They're people too, Mark.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  Wait, why are they scumbags?

• 35:29Speaker 07

  All the car rental people are just the worst. You rent a car, you show up, it's not the car you wanted. They're like, oh, we can put you in a Fiat. And you're like, I'll just kill myself. Like, I'd rather not.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Do, do, do, do, do.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  I think I've told you this story, but like. It's the most emotional I've seen, Mark. Most feelings don't backstab, Mark, I ever know.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  One of the funniest parts about going to St. Bart's is everybody lands at this little fucking airport, right? It's just all these like rich people from fucking New York or whatever, and all these other places, Miami. And like, they have already signed up and they've, they've done their like rental car thing. And in the picture, they're all getting like a fucking drop top, beautiful, whatever, right? And they show up and they go to this little shitty kiosk and there's like some French girl there. And she hands them the keys to like a Volkswagen Cabriolet with like three tires. And just seeing these people go, I ordered, I ordered a G-Wagon, I ordered like this absolute pandemonium that they're not getting the exact car that they wanted. You're in a fucking random island in the middle of the Caribbean.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  But, and to be honest, like low key, maybe you're right. Like there's just blatant lying when it comes to the rental.

• 36:33Mark Gagnon?

  He's, oh boy, I rent cars a lot because like traveling and I need it for the equipment and shit like that.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:38Mark Gagnon?

  You never get the car you paid for. And then they try to look for little scratches on it and shit and say, you did it.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:45Mark Gagnon?

  Like I've had so many times they tried to say like, oh, you got in an accident or side swipe or some bullshit. And I'm like, no, I didn't. Like, I know I didn't.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Oh, they'll try to put that on you.

• 36:52Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. So now it's like, whenever I rent a car, I'll just take pictures of it all around the car. So, and that has, I've been able to fight two times they attempted that shit on me. I was like, hey, look at this picture, look at it's dated, there's nothing here. Look at the picture when I returned it.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  So that shit is racism, bro. Cause I've never once been asked if I did something to mess up a car. And I've messed up maybe like a hundred.

• 37:17Speaker 07

  You have a D class on your license?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  I'm D, I got a D. Like, I don't think there's a single time I've rented a car and I haven't done something wrong to it. Swear to God, like, every single time.

• 37:26Speaker 07

  Parking brake on the whole time?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  I go get groceries, I slam it into the car, and then... And never once have they even asked.

• 37:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 37:35Speaker 07

  That's why I just do like the private car rental, where you just rent it from like a dude.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, Verbo? Turo.

• 37:41Speaker 07

  Those are great. I put one into a snowbank one time. It just like spun out.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Hit the snowbank.

• 37:46Speaker 07

  At least, my wife was so pissed. I was like, "Take a picture, it's kinda funny." She's like, "I'm not taking a picture." Just sat in the car the whole time in the snowbank, like leaning over. A dude just pulled up, some random dude, Nacho, was just like, "Yo, I got you," and then pulled us out. And then I called up the guy, I was like, "Yeah, put it in a snowbank." He was like, "Ah, it happens, don't worry, give me 300 bucks." I just gave him cash and it was fine.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  That's pretty good.

• 38:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, it went away.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Legend.

• 38:07Speaker 07

  It was great, you're just dealing with real people, you know?

• 38:09Speaker 03

  Real people.

• 38:09Speaker 07

  Not these corporations.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Not these corporations.

• 38:11Speaker 07

  These corporate interests.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Fucking evil corporations.

• 38:13Speaker 07

  Fucking oligopoly we live in, you know?

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. Fucking oligopoly.

• 38:18Speaker 07

  Mangione, bro.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  What else is going on, boys? Explain this Ruby Frank shit to me.

• 38:25Speaker 07

  This shit was awful.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 38:26Speaker 07

  Can we get a picture of Ruby Franke?

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Before the pod, everybody's been saying, "Yo, you need to learn about this Ruby Frank story." I don't... What is it? Ruby Franke. Is it? One person?

• 38:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, technically, it's many people.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay, just break the whole thing down. I have no clue what this is.

• 38:42Speaker 07

  All right, so this girl, Ruby Frank, here, right, 2015, she starts posting a family vlog called "A Passengers" on YouTube. It goes dumb viral. She gets millions of followers, she's making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month doing a family vlog. Yeah, she's Mormon, lives out in Utah.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  So like, passengers is like passengers of God. Ah.

• 38:58Speaker 07

  Six kids, husband and wife. And she's just filming the daily life of like the kids.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 07

  And from when the kids are young. Like, one of the kids isn't even born yet, like, all the kids are like 10-ish, 12-ish. And then slowly, the content gets bigger and bigger and bigger, but also like a little bit more aggressive. And she has this like very, uh...

• 39:17Speaker 03

  What do you mean by aggressive?

• 39:18Speaker 07

  Like, she's like putting like the kids, like, "Oh, my daughter's first period." Or like, "Oh, my son's using deodorant," or like, "He's going through puberty," like, putting out stuff that's very private.

• 39:26Mark Gagnon?

  He getting it, my boy.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  I got a lot of lip.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  I got a lot of lip. You wouldn't know nothing about that. It should be hanging on your teeth.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  I got a lot of lip. I got a lot of mouth.

• 39:40Speaker 07

  He put it like a thing, dog.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  He went like a straight.

• 39:42Speaker 07

  I think he put his nose.

• 39:43Speaker 03

  You gotta get it up there to the gum. I don't want to waste nothing on the teeth, man. I want it going right to the gum, so it goes right to the source. Can we talk about Ruby Frank and this murderous bitch? She killed the kids? Is that what happened?

• 39:54Mark Gagnon?

  No, she ain't murdering nobody.

• 39:55Speaker 03

  So what's the do-?

• 39:58Speaker 05

  The girl saying, early on, like, one of the kids, I think, was saying, like, it felt like our whole childhood revolved around her wanting to film us. And, like, that was what life was. Like, her being like, we need to film this thing. It wouldn't have, like, our own life. It's just her thing. But then it continues to devolve.

• 40:13Speaker 07

  She puts one of the kids, she's like, hey, you don't have a bedroom anymore. You have to sleep on a beanbag chair. Like, one of the kids is, like, acting out. He's not being obedient. And, like, obedience is, like, the most righteous virtue within the family. If you're not obedient, you're being of the devil. And so she eventually links up with this therapist that starts working with the family to get the family to be more obedient.

• 40:29Speaker 05

  You heard that, right? She took the kid's bedroom away, the bed away. He had to sleep on a beanbag for months. Like...

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Torture.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  We've all seen.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. A beanbag? No way.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  We've all seen what kind of father he is. And for him to act like he would ever be like, okay, with anything remotely approaching this is so funny.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  My daughter would never just disrespect me in a household.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  Would never be a situation like that, clearly.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  Okay, anyway.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Sleep on a beanbag. I mean, if that's to sleep on, like, a hardwood and floor, sure, but a beanbag is pretty sick.

• 41:06Speaker 07

  It's kind of sick. It's kind of chill. Beanbag's real cool.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  That is better.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  How old is the kid?

• 41:10Speaker 07

  Like, probably fifteen, sixteen?

• 41:13Speaker 03

  I thought it was, like, a four-year-old or something like that.

• 41:17Speaker 08

  It's like a teen.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  That's the kid?

• 41:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's a stud. He's a stud, to be honest.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:21Speaker 07

  But, uh, basically, she gets this therapist involved, and the therapist is, like, kind of a man-hater. She's like, men are the problem. She gets her husband into therapy.

• 41:30Speaker 05

  Also, not like a real PhD, like, what are they, licensed clinical worker or whatever the fuck nonsense?

• 41:36Speaker 07

  Yeah. It becomes basically a cult. Where like now she brings this girl Ruby Franke into like her group and now is like her co-host on a bunch of the content. And then she stops doing YouTube content and just like isolates the family, isolates the parents away. Or isolates the dad, so the dad gets kicked out of the house. And the her starts hooking up with the therapist in their own house. Who? The. Ruby Franke.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:59Speaker 07

  The therapist basically does a great job.

• 42:00Speaker 05

  I think that was strongly alluded, they don't.

• 42:02Speaker 07

  Is the therapist a male or female?

• 42:03Speaker 03

  A woman. Female.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  She's woman, man-hating, and then.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  These Mormons are so easy to gay up. Do you guys remember that, uh, that horrendous documentary where the guy fucked the whole family?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  It's just a handjob or something, it's just, oh, it's kid stuff, it's just kid stuff about a handjob to another dude.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  Remember the guy who's disgusting, but he had sex with the dad, the mom, and the daughter. It was like horrendous, like if the daughter wasn't involved, it'd be hilarious. But he, but he did do it to the daughter as well, but there's something about.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not just Mormons, I want to say, I think they're the most extreme example of Americans. But I think Americans, since we grow up. Believing that we can achieve anything. We are probably the most gullible culture. And I think this is why that we accept conspiracies so willingly. Like there's another part where like the government has obviously lied and these institutions take advantage of us, absolutely, of course. But because we grew up and every single one of us is like, I'm gonna be a millionaire when I go, of course I am, I'm gonna be the most famous person, I'm gonna be the most successful. There's, there's no version of the, of us that is like, I can't go past my class, I can't achieve these things. We believe we can do anything, so. You could turn them into lesbians. Right, like you could, like you could flip them, it's really interesting.

• 43:18Speaker 07

  But theirs is like.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  We're the cults, there's cults don't exist outside of America, right?

• 43:21Speaker 07

  Nah.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Where, where are there cults that are this popular?

• 43:25Speaker 05

  Jim Jones was probably not in America, right? He's in South America.

• 43:27Speaker 07

  Well, he started in America.

• 43:28Speaker 05

  Nah, he started, he's a motherfucker, got a crack in here, bro. This is where you make your bones.

• 43:33Mark Gagnon?

  Are gypsies considered a cult?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 43:35Speaker 07

  Nah, but like, uh, Japan had a famous one. They did the, the sarin gas attacks in the subway.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  They had one cult.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  What I'm saying is we got a million, we have so many different cults, we don't know which one drank the Kool-Aid and they all died. Like, there's like hundreds of them.

• 43:49Speaker 07

  The most popping cults have religiosity tied in. That's why like the Caribbean, I think that they could be, uh, they're slightly more believable on like spiritual shit. Like if you were to tell Jamaican, be like, yo, I saw this guy was talking to me, he flew. Like, I think it'd be a little easier to get a Jamaican guy to be like, wait, for real?

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Every American would believe you in a heartbeat. Have you seen the way that Americans react to like mentalists?

• 44:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Do you know like when they go, and what you're thinking of is Deborah, and they're like, Deborah, like if you do that in France, like, ah, yes, you get some Deborah, okay.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Like, there's no reactivity in Europe to that kind of shit. They're like, oh, magic, okay, very nice, a good trick.

• 44:25Speaker 07

  I think it's God. I think if you grew up with like a, like a religious underpinning, that's why I believe in demons, even though I don't.

• 44:32Speaker 08

  Yes, you do.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  We believe in everything. I think God maybe is part of it, but I also think there's something like culturally, um, like, pushing this belief in the impossible. Where I think there's like a restrictive belief in other, like in Scotland, they're not believing in other shit. Like where my mom grew up, it was like, hey, this is where you are, you're gonna stay right here and that is it, and you better accept it and love it, right? This is like this kind of British class system that everybody lives in, and you can go within this range, but if you go out, you're a real, if you're really putting in effort, you're a real keener.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  Are they super religious in Scotland?

• 45:05Speaker 03

  They're like tribally.

• 45:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think in general, you could, some people will take some specific random part of the Bible, that's crazy. And then there's demons probably talked about in the Bible, and then that just becomes all of what it's about.

• 45:16Speaker 07

  Yeah. So this one was literally Jody, the therapist was like, I'm possessed by a demon. That's why I need to move into your guys' house with all your kids.

• 45:23Speaker 08

  Yeah, her house was possessed.

• 45:24Speaker 07

  So she moves in with the family of eight people and is having exorcisms on camera. They're like filming it, the girl's like, bleh.

• 45:31Speaker 08

  Oh.

• 45:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, out of her. Like doing an exorcism.

• 45:34Speaker 08

  They kick the daughter out of her room, so then she gets a room in the house. So she slowly like works her way into like a pretty good system. And every time that like she wouldn't get what she wants, or like it wasn't happening fast enough, she'd be more possessed.

• 45:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:45Speaker 08

  And then she gets up to the top bedroom and then she's having these, uh, these demon problems overnight. So the wife would leave the husband in their bed. Mind you, the husband went through hell in this experience. He first got on steroids. He didn't get juice, but he got incredibly fit because the wife, the original Ruby Franke was like, you're the man of the house, you need to like.

• 46:05Speaker 07

  Be diesel.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  I wanna keep listening to this.

• 46:07Mark Gagnon?

  I watched a Hulu doc, I ain't see any of that.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  Hold on, could this happen in Italy? No way. And they are Catholic, like what I'm saying is could this happen in France? No way. It's not happening in Greece. It's not happening anywhere else. We have to-

• 46:19Speaker 05

  But the first thing you pointed out was Mormons. And it was the other one too, and this-

• 46:23Speaker 03

  But I think that Mormons are the most extreme version of Americans, right? It's like, to believe their thing, like, have you looked into their belief system?

• 46:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  No knock on the Mormons, but it's some wild shit. Like, the Native Americans made it over to Jerusalem, then pulled back.

• 46:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, Jesus came to America, fire.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  So it's like, I think there is something in our DNA, maybe it is like, maybe that we are these like risk takers from the rest of the world, right? We leave the rest of the world, leave our families because we really truly believe that we can do anything in America.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  So that type of belief system, which is amazing, is what America, you know, thrives off of, also lends us to believe anything could be possible. And that's why you see these cults sprout up. And I think religiosity helps it.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  I think we're splitting hairs. I do, I agree. There's a, I think we're just disagreeing on the percentage. That's it. I agree with you. That is part of it.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  I wonder if crypto is popular in Europe?

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Like, I bet you it's not. I bet you they're like, ah, it's just letters, there's no way you could possibly make. And every American's like, this is the new fuck me. I'm like, this is the, I watched one documentary on the Fed and I'm like, these motherfuckers. It takes one video to flip the entire country.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  How the fuck do they give us all this information? Like, do you know what I mean? This is insanity. We are vulnerable.

• 47:35Speaker 07

  Yeah. I feel like where life is pretty good, I feel like you're not gonna get into it as much. Like, like, remember when we were at the, the pool in Arizona, we met those British people, they're like crypto millionaires? And like their teeth were rotted out and they're all in blow?

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 07

  They're like, yeah, crypto is a new thing, bro. You guys go get on it. And I was just like, oh, this is the end. We're looking at the end right in the face, just like these fat British people like, yeah, so we're putting all our money in crypto. They're probably billionaires at this point.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, they probably made a lot of money. Yeah, dude.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  Anyway.

• 48:03Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, keep going on this. So husband gets on steroids, he gets fit.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  The husband just got really screwed in the whole process.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  He's also kinda like a dumb seeming guy, easily manipulated. He's so in love with his wife, he's like so cucked out, he just goes along with everything she wants.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  And then, so what the, what the therapist does is genius. She has a men's group, this woman, uh, Hildren has a men's-

• 48:22Speaker 08

  That they have to meet on Zoom every week. And then they talk about the shame of like looking at pornography, lust and not loving and having sex through love, but through lust. And she uses the husband as the, the, the beacon of hope. She's like, oh yeah, the husband's been doing great. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. Builds him up into this like godlike character. And then once she gets in the house and she now wants the husband away from the wife. She just every week starts laying into him for months. She starts going, do you feel bad about your shame? I know you're having lustful thoughts. She starts attacking him, making him outsider inside of the group that he used to be at the top of. So now he wants her approval so badly. So he'll do anything for this therapist.

• 48:59Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  I think he like watched pornography one time that month and she's like, that's why there's demons in the house.

• 49:04Speaker 08

  And then.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  This is only in America. Like we need to start, we need to start like just being honest with ourselves and we got, we can be a little better about the demon stuff. Mark is one of the smartest people we know. He believes in demons.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  I know. Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  He's also the most religious person I know.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  This guy's barely even religious. Talk about the most religious person you know. He doesn't eat sugar.

• 49:25Speaker 07

  Come on, bro.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  Come on, bro. When was the last time?

• 49:27Mark Gagnon?

  During Lent, he's repping his stuff.

• 49:29Speaker 07

  Bro, I actually, I've been going every Sunday in Lent.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  In Lent? So one Sunday.

• 49:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, so far.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  He went one week.

• 49:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm on a streak. I'm on a streak.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  This is the most religious person you know, this guy right here? You know Dove?

• 49:41Speaker 07

  Yeah. What was I saying? We're at the synagogue.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  He goes, he goes every single morning.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  He goes every day.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Every day?

• 49:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:46Mark Gagnon?

  He eats lobster though.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  For Gosba, Gosba.

• 49:52Mark Gagnon?

  He does lobster though. He, yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean with the diet.

• 49:56Speaker 05

  And shikses.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  No, he's off the shikses.

• 49:59Speaker 05

  You're off the shikses.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. That's great. I love it. Don't ever say I've never lied for you.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Don't ever say I've never lied for you, Dove, okay? But yeah, but there's something about us, man. We'll believe it. And every single New Yorker thinks the Knicks are going to win the championship every single year.

• 50:17Speaker 07

  Cause we are.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Every single Dallas Cowboys fan thinks it, outside of you, outside of you, but you understand what I'm saying. We have this like, there's this beautiful delusion we have. It allows us to create the greatest thing.

• 50:26Speaker 07

  I think the delusion in America specifically is imbued with religiosity because of manifest destiny. The whole point of America is like, yo, anything's possible and you can make all the money you want because God wants you to.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Well, can you explain specifically what manifest destiny is?

• 50:40Speaker 07

  I basically like, you can go west as far as you want and colonize and kill all the natives.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  Cause that's what God wants.

• 50:45Speaker 07

  Cause this is what God wants.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Hey, hey, what did JFK say? Was it JFK or was it Roosevelt? Like, uh, God is on our side. Like, we're gonna win this war.

• 50:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, Roosevelt.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  It was Roosevelt, right?

• 50:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, World War II.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was like, I forget exactly how he said it, but essentially it's like, God is on our side. And we're all like, oh, word?

• 50:59Speaker 07

  Fire.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Alright, let's go. Storm the beach. And then the first line of Americans just got murdered and they're like, yo, God, you wanna pull up? Like, what the fuck? You're a little late here. God was on the third line. No, yeah.

• 51:10Speaker 07

  God would come up.

• 51:11Speaker 08

  That also makes sense with the Mormonism thing. Like, manifest, they are the manifest destiny religion.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  Yes, American pride and evil.

• 51:17Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  You've seen that shit? And there's some wild, yo, shout out to Mormons. I know it sounds like we're backing on Mormons. Like, incredibly impressive, like, what they've created. Like, I think this idea of Mormonism is that there's these dopes and they go live in Ethiopia and then they come back here and then they kinda just sell in Salt Lake and nothing really happens. It's like, that thing, what is it called, where they go for two years? The mission is like this beautiful.

• 51:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, dude.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  You, you basically get your business acumen locked in for two straight years, right? You go, you learn sales in the toughest environment possible. You learn another language. You're trying to sell God to people who don't want it.

• 51:50Speaker 07

  Dealing with rejection of the most personal thing in your life?

• 51:53Speaker 03

  The thing that means the most to you.

• 51:54Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  Getting smacked in the face. And you're put in a lot of them, like, really tough situations. So they develop that skill to deal with rejection. They develop an amazing skill to sell. And by the end of it, you're not knocking on doors. You're running a team of people that are knocking on doors. Oh, really? So they come out of that with this, like, understanding of how a business should function, learning another language, and knowing how to manage other people in, like, really desperate situations. So of course they come back here and they thrive and they become like the largest, what is it, landowners in America or something like that?

• 52:23Speaker 07

  Like, they run multinational corporations, like churches, large.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  And we just call them goofballs because they have some, like, weird beliefs, but they're, they're on that act.

• 52:31Speaker 07

  They're both.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  They are both.

• 52:33Speaker 07

  But like, if you look at, like, Mormon business people, there's so many, like, the Mary Kay girls that do all the makeup, the M L A makeup, that first girl was Mormon. There's like a whole subgenre of, like, Mormon mom talk. Like where it's just like TikTok influencers that sell clothing and makeup and shit. All Mormon, all know each other. Just like no shame regarding like selling themselves. Cause they're like, yeah, bro, I fucking go around and talk to people about Jesus.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 08

  I mean, it's actually JetBlue, Black and Decker, SkyWest, Marriott. It's a lot.

• 53:02Speaker 07

  I'm raising my kids Mormon. I've always said this.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Mitt Romney.

• 53:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, Bain Capital, the legend.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  And, and who are we talking? We're talking to somebody about like how they justify that. Cause the idea, I think with Bain, I could be messing this up, but you're essentially like taking over businesses that are in distress. And then like building them back up and you gotta fire like maybe 10,000 fucking people when you do that. And it's just like, how do you deal with that as like a Mormon, as a God fearing person? Like you could negatively impact 10,000 people's lives. And I think the justification was, yeah, but I'm saving the other 20,000

• 53:36Speaker 03

  that work at that company. And what would happen to them if the whole company went out of business? Like, so you can retrofit any justification that's pretty good.

• 53:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 08

  Yeah, dude.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Like they're, they're fucking impressive, but like most Americans, they will believe whatever the fuck sounds most interesting.

• 53:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 53:53Speaker 08

  I think Mormons are also like the highest tithing group of people. So like a lot of times they can justify business decisions through the fact that the more money they are making.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  They give back to the church.

• 54:01Speaker 08

  10% always goes to the church pre-tax.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. All right, guys, we're good to the show.

• 54:05Speaker 07

  This woman's convinced the whole time while she's doing the YouTube channel, she's like, the reason it's going well is because we're promoting God and LDS to the world. Like that's the reason God is blessed.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  And she changes the, the handle from like, what is it? Eight passengers to what?

• 54:17Speaker 07

  Moms of truth.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Moms of truth. Yeah. So this girl is like a part of, now it's them too.

• 54:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  Not even the family, but she's still like, you can, you can describe.

• 54:25Speaker 07

  She basically kicks out the oldest son, the oldest daughter, they go to college and they have complete cutoff. They can't talk to the family at all. She says, if you talk to the family, you're going to be bringing more demons into the house. So for the sake of the family, don't talk to us.

• 54:35Speaker 08

  The oldest son gets kicked out because he masturbates. You're, you're missing a main detail. The woman, the, the.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  How'd she find out?

• 54:42Speaker 08

  The, the therapist is living in the house and also is his therapist and is also manipulating the oldest son and being like, tell me what you've done wrong. I know something went wrong. I know you have guilt on your conscience. He's like, all right, I got a handjob. I drank a little alcohol and I looked at porn. And then that gets back to the mother and then the mother goes, oh, the reason this house is cursed, the reason that the woman is still being possessed by the devil is because you're in the house doing. Sinful things. You have to leave. He leaves at 17. The older daughter's in college. And this is when the father is also being like basically excommunicated from the family. And the woman is now having these like God, these demon possessions overnight. And the wife would go to the husband and be like, hey, I need to go upstairs. I think if I stay with her tonight, the demons won't affect her. And this is where the like hookup accusations start to build.

• 55:27Speaker 07

  The daughter in the documentary says, I believe they were hooking up. Which is kind of far. I mean, it's insane. What does a therapist look like?

• 55:35Speaker 05

  Not cute.

• 55:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, tough.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  Not cute.

• 55:38Speaker 07

  Tough look.

• 55:38Speaker 08

  There's like videos of them on a jet ski. And they're like so like lesbian cute. They're like holding on to each other. And she's like, I'm gonna go so fast. And she's like, don't throw me off.

• 55:47Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. She was sitting front row at the. Maple Leaf game?

• 55:54Mark Gagnon?

  I must have fell asleep in part of this shit, because I don't remember that.

• 55:57Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah. So then, basically, for nine months, the this woman and the therapist are raising the four other kids. Husband's out of the picture. Two oldest kids are out of the picture. And then she just starts abusing the shit out of the two youngest kids. This is where it gets super fucked up. Who is abusing them? The two of them, together.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  The two moms.

• 56:14Speaker 07

  Jesus.

• 56:14Speaker 05

  Husband's kicked out of the house. He has no idea what's going on, but he's so brainwashed and was so pussy whipped over this girl that like, on these calls, he just assumes he's the problem and everything's gonna get better. No, no check in with his kids. I think his oldest daughter tried to text him. Heck, hey, Dad, just want to let you know I love you, thinking of you. He hearts it, and then one minute later unhearts it because he's so worried about, you know, like crossing his wife, essentially, even though he's already been kicked out for months, maybe a year. He's like so worried about crossing the mom and losing her. He said, like, I chose her over my kids every single time.

• 56:45Speaker 07

  So moves the two youngest kids away from their childhood home into the therapist's house, which is like on a compound far out in Utah.

• 56:51Speaker 08

  It's a mansion in like the desert. Like, there's no one around for an acre, two acres, three acres.

• 56:56Speaker 07

  And like the house is like retrofit. It's got like bunkers underneath. It's got like a safe with like a panic room. It's got like food prepped for months. How does she have money? From doing this cult, basically.

• 57:07Speaker 08

  Yeah, she basically runs like one of the best therapy situations. And it's, I don't want to say it's like, the church isn't helping her, but the church is. But telling people you can go to her.

• 57:19Mark Gagnon?

  It was like Hustlers University for soccer moms.

• 57:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And so the kids end up getting abused, like they have to like go stand in the sun, they have to jump on a trampoline for like 12 hours a day. They force them to like run in like 110 degree weather. And then at one point, they're just like bound with like ropes in the basement, just like tied up. And the mom documents everything in these journals, everything, word for word.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  And the vlogs start getting darker, like if your kid is, it is principle over everything. If you, basically, if your kid has to die for the principles to work, then that's what it is. It doesn't matter. The punishment needs to be more severe.

• 57:53Speaker 07

  Killer.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 07

  So the way they found out is that the kid, one of the, the boy that's tied up, escapes from the house. The therapist leaves the door open, he escapes from the house, runs across the street, like all the way down the driveway, like to the nearest neighbor, knocks on the door, and then the neighbor shows up.

• 58:09Speaker 05

  Kid's about to walk away because the neighbor's an old person, takes him a while to get to the door. Kid just kind of, you see it on the Ring Cam, he starts walking away. He's like almost at the street, and then luckily the neighbor opens the door and the kid is like, hey, can you do me two favors? And neighbor's like, kind of like, what, what are they? It's, and then he's like, can you, actually, I just need one, can you call the cops, I'm worried about my sister and me, or something like that.

• 58:28Speaker 08

  Yeah, the video's on a Ring Cam too.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:30Speaker 08

  Like the kid walks up on a Ring.

• 58:32Speaker 07

  It's kind of heartbreaking to be honest, I cried watching.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  The dad, like this, this is an old man, he's like, why don't you have a seat here? Then I guess his wife brings out like a banana and some water. The dad calling the cops is looking at the kid, he's got, he's like bound at the ankles, duct tape on his ankles, all bloody, emaciated, like super skinny. Uh, and then he just, he starts crying, this old guy just looking at this kid. He's like, what's happening to these kids is awful. And then apparently he has a sister in the house too. So then I, yeah.

• 58:58Speaker 07

  SWAT comes in, raids the whole house, rescues the sister.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  And this, this bitch, the therapist, when she answers the door, she answers the door, she goes, I'm on the phone with my lawyer. Like already she knows.

• 59:06Speaker 07

  She knows.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  So this, I would say this mom is probably schizophrenic. Like the way she talks about demons and she says, I'm on a mission from God.

• 59:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  These are things, I have very, like, basic understanding of schizophrenia. That's like, these are things that a schizophrenic person might think. That like, there's demons in the house and I'm on a mission from God, blah, blah, blah. This therapist is a dirty, dirty bitch, and the dad is a cuck for just letting this all happen, to me. Like, that's my takeaway.

• 59:32Speaker 07

  So then basically go to court, they both plead guilty to six counts of like child abuse. And they both get like thirty, forty years in prison.

• 59:39Speaker 05

  Oh, the daughter was in, when they found the daughter, she was like upstairs in a room like her hands like this. You know what I mean? Like her knees tucked against her chest.

• 59:46Speaker 07

  In like a closet, in the back of the closet.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  The cop is trying to talk to her, she won't speak. Like, it's so sad. So he's just like calling for whatever backup or like welfare or whatever. C, with CDC or whatever the fuck. Oh, and people had been in Utah, her neighbors, it's Utah, they're probably all friendly with each other. They were all concerned and they had called for welfare checks, multiple neighbors. And the oldest daughter called for a welfare check. I want a welfare check for my brothers and sisters. I don't think they're okay. And then the cops weren't allowed to get a search warrant. Because the judge said, one of the neighbors asked, or was asked, are there, have you seen evidence of physical abuse? And because the neighbor said no, the cop was like, you can't give him a search warrant. So this goes on for ten months. So if those kids, if that kid doesn't escape and they die. Frankly, it's also on the judge for never once being like, yo, you're allowed to go search, go do a welfare check.

• 1:00:33Speaker 05

  And to be honest, this is, I've had, like, we have a neighbor who says some crazy shit to their kid. Like, you're a fucking psychopath, like nasty shit to their kid. You're fucking insane, what are you doing? Like, we're hearing things horrendous. We called, we called, yeah, we called Child Protective Services, CPS or whatever. And then they were like, if you don't have evidence that the kids are being physically abused, there's nothing we can do, I'm sorry.

• 1:00:54Speaker 07

  So, so verbal abuse doesn't?

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  It doesn't count. And they're only, she was like, the same thing they said to her, waiting on the phone, like, I'm with you. And the shit this mom says, I was gonna go over and knock on the door and be like, what the fuck is going on? And my wife is like, you cannot call CPS, let's call CPS, let's do this the right way, but you cannot go over there. And I was like, I'm gonna go check in on the kid and be like, yo, are you okay? I hear what she's saying to you. And she's like, dog, this woman is clearly crazy. You have somewhat of a public profile, you don't know what you could say about you, trying to groom this kid or whatever. So it's like, you call CPS, you try to do the right thing, nobody shows up, nobody talks to her, still hear shit. It's like crazy. And we live in like a nice building.

• 1:01:29Mark Gagnon?

  So what happens to that kid?

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  I don't know. I see him. I try to just be like, hey, what's up, man? Everything OK? He is withdrawn, head is always down. And it's just like, yeah, your mom is saying horrendous shit to you.

• 1:01:39Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it sucks because I think if you call like CPS and you like lie, you can get charged like fraud and like actually it's a crime. If you do some shit like that, it's almost like slawding. Right, that makes sense. But I mean, if you hear somebody that's verbally abusing their child, you should be able to- They can't do anything about that, but imagine if he calls and be like, oh, I seen her pit the child and he lied about that shit. Then it's like he can get in trouble. I mean, you could say you heard it, what sounded like it.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, just the shit. I can't even think of it because it's all right on the spot and whatever. But like the shit she says is just like, we hear it from our room in like apartment nearby. And we're like down the hall, people have been like talking to us like, what the fuck is going on in there?

• 1:02:16Mark Gagnon?

  See, that shit scares the fuck out of me because that kid turns into a school shooter.

• 1:02:20Speaker 05

  Truly.

• 1:02:21Mark Gagnon?

  That's the ones who it's like.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  Head down all the time, withdrawn. Fifteen.

• 1:02:26Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, you could talk to a fifteen year old? Nah, I ain't talking to nobody.

• 1:02:32Mark Gagnon?

  He had a rule.

• 1:02:36Mark Gagnon?

  Rick Rule.

• 1:02:37Speaker 05

  When you're in college, you can't go out there.

• 1:02:42Mark Gagnon?

  They were good guys. Oh, that's funny.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  I also think though, there's a conversation about all of these mommy vloggers like I see, my wife sees a couple of them. Some of them will just have their kids like in the background of a video as a part of like, hey, here's a day in my life. My kid went to whatever. Some of them will make their kids the center of the video and there's an Indian girl who does it.

• 1:02:59Mark Gagnon?

  Right.

• 1:03:00Speaker 05

  And like she's just a daughter who's to me, just an adorable girl, but she wears glasses and I know how this fucking internet thing works. I know, we all know how the comment section works. My wife was watching it and I was getting like fucking furious before she got, just lean got on TikTok. And she was like, why are you so angry? And I was like, dog, this girl is going to start seeing negative comments. She's a fucking baby. This is going to fuck her up mentally. She has no consent in this. Why are you putting her on fucking video? Do you care about your kids at all? Or are you just so fucking talentless that you'll do whatever it takes to get a few views? Well, I was like livid about it.

• 1:03:30Speaker 07

  The Ruby thing is crazy because she's forcing the kids to do stuff. She's like, hey, act sad.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Hey, be sad in this one. And the kids like, Mom, I don't really want to do this.

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think larger conversation, all them fucking parent bloggers, if your kid is a center of a video, your account should be banned.

• 1:03:44Speaker 08

  Well, did you see what happened?

• 1:03:46Mark Gagnon?

  Also, it's child labor.

• 1:03:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 08

  California's legislated against this. California right now just started a law where if your child is 60% of your content, you have to put away a certain amount of money for them, 30% of their income.

• 1:03:58Mark Gagnon?

  I like that.

• 1:03:59Speaker 08

  And there's a bunch of people who are leaving California being like, guys, we just don't like the lifestyle here. Like, we're going to Tennessee, we're going to Texas. We had mold in the house, or whatever these like sort of excuses are.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  But it's just so that they can enslave their children. Call up.

• 1:04:12Speaker 08

  I don't know the, I don't know the full details.

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  That shit is so gross.

• 1:04:16Mark Gagnon?

  Like this lady, she was giving them just like 10 bucks to be on a video.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  She was like, if you help with the video, you get $10.

• 1:04:22Mark Gagnon?

  And she's coming home with fucking $100,000.

• 1:04:23Speaker 08

  She also left, she saved all the raws. So there's all these offcuts of her being like, do it different. And then it being like, she saved all the raws. So there's all this evidence against her.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  You know what's funny about this is that, uh, there's a lot of people that, like their kids just worked at the bodega or worked at the diner or worked whatever. And that was just part of their chores. That's what it is. And they didn't get their $10. Maybe they may, might have got a couple bucks, but this is just your contribution to the family. Like, this is the family business. Nobody has an issue with it.

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  No, I can, but here's the difference. Internet comments are the difference. You go to school, nobody's gonna be like, hey, look what people are saying about you working at the bodega.

• 1:05:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  This, if you, or just some kid could go comment on the parents' page and it's like, well, whatever.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  I will say this though, like all the mommy bloggers, like keep that shit up though, because they put out some good information, like, like learning, like if you want to know like how to beat jet lag for your kid, you could just type that shit into TikTok. It's incredible.

• 1:05:21Speaker 05

  I love that. You'll, you be the center of the video.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  No, I think you're making a, yeah, you're, you're defining it right, like.

• 1:05:28Speaker 05

  That is a talent, what you're describing.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:31Speaker 05

  Putting my kid in a video and talking about how cute they are, that's the kid, that's no different than like these stage moms that we hate or the kids that force the kids to be actors. You're the exact same person, but now you're also the director, the executive producer. You're just taking all the money and the next person won't be as. Insane as Ruby Franke, she'll be smart enough to delete the raws.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  I think, I think, yeah, I think slicing it in that when you're making your kid act for the content. And especially like emotionally manipulating them, abusing them like this, that's fine. But, no, no, I mean, that's not fine, sorry. That's horrible and they should all go to jail. That's illegal, they should go to jail. But um, I see a lot of these like mommy bloggers, they put out amazing stuff. It's like, hey, my kid was doing this and it actually, this piece of this bottle can pop off and she almost choked. Like, don't use this bottle. And then you go, oh my God, thank you so much for sharing that information. I'm just saying like as a parent.

• 1:06:21Speaker 07

  Some of those are fire.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  There's so much useful information that a lot of parents, they're saying like, uh, which food has you allergic reactions? But it's not, uh, it's on the ingredient list.

• 1:06:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, there's like soy secretly in some shit.

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, so there's, I love the fact that information is decentralized, especially with parenting, just as a parent, because I get so much of it. But I, I agree with you, there's a different version of it where you're like abusing the kid for content. But the one, like you said, like where parents are at the forefront, it's super, super helpful as a parent. Before we just had to like go off a few parenting books and you hope those were good. You know, like, I'd rather, I'd rather go off of like millions of people on the internet saying like what was useful for their kids without exploiting the kid. And, and I think a lot of them are good at some, even like blur their kids faces out in them. And they'll be like, hey, this, this tool for sleeping on a plane was really helpful. We inflated this thing. So I, I don't want to criticize those people.

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  Teenage, and I guess now she's a teenager, getting her eyebrows threaded and like, I didn't watch the video, but I know Indian girls, I know what the eyebrows look like. I know you're inviting some comments, you know?

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  You're trying to protect the kids from that online criticism, which is very different when their parents, they're just like offering information and advice.

• 1:07:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, one's entertainment, one's information.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, education, rather, yeah.

• 1:07:37Speaker 07

  But like that shit is fire, like how to play with your baby.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  Dude, there's all these amazing videos from like doctors, uh, they're not pediatricians, but they're like, uh, they have maybe like a PhD in child psychology or something like that. Like how to teach your kid how to sound out letters or how to teach your kid how to like say words before they can even really speak. And I, I, yeah, I learned all this stuff from them, like this is amazing.

• 1:07:56Speaker 07

  I remember the first time a girl left me alone with a baby, she's like, all right, I'll be gone for like an hour and a half, I'll be right back. And I was like, what do I do? She's like, oh, just play with them. I was like, ah, what? Read them, but like, I was like, do I just like read them? Like, I didn't know what to do. What girl left you alone with a baby? My wife.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:13Speaker 05

  You said a girl.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, you said a girl. I was a little weird.

• 1:08:17Speaker 07

  She was like, yeah, just play with the baby. I was like, I don't know. So I like looked at the video, I was like, oh no, like put some water in the pan, let him splash in it.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Speaker 07

  Shit like that. I was like, oh, that's smart.

• 1:08:25Speaker 05

  That's great. That's that's informational, like you said. And even if it's entertainment, that is, even if it was you getting on camera and complaining about your kids. But your kids aren't in the videos, they're blurred out.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  That's, I'm not even saying it's a shot at him. That's what Louis C K did.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  It was, but you don't know who the kids are. He protects their identity. That's great. That's entertaining.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I think that's a good slice.

• 1:08:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, but what gets the views? And they knew that the son and the oldest daughter got the views whenever they would be on the.

• 1:08:47Speaker 05

  That's some horseshit, Doug. That's some horseshit.

• 1:08:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 05

  You exploiting children for views is some horseshit.

• 1:08:53Mark Gagnon?

  I know.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Mark Gagnon?

  This bitch is crazy.

• 1:08:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  Give me something fun right now. This is too dark. I need something fun and I need something light. How about Jonathan Majors beating the shit out of this girl? We need something fun and light, bro. The emotional manipulation that he is capable of.

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  That's insane.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  Son, I need you to read verbatim what happened in the transcript.

• 1:09:13Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Can you fill me in on this story? I've been away, so I don't know.

• 1:09:16Speaker 05

  So Jonathan Majors audio, you know, he's been accused of.

• 1:09:18Mark Gagnon?

  I know all the old shit, yeah.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  So audio leaked of a conversation with of him with said woman. He says, I'm ashamed I've ever, Majors begins before cutting himself off, cuts himself off, like goes, I'm ashamed I've ever, I've, I've never been aggressive with a woman before. I've never aggressed a woman. I aggressed you. She goes, you strangled me and pushed me against the car. He goes, he goes, yes, all of those things are under aggressed. That's never happened to me.

• 1:09:43Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:09:44Speaker 05

  Because I said something sarcastically in your eyes, she said. And he said, well, clearly it's more than that. And then she goes, something inside of you. And then he goes, yeah, towards you.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Son, yeah, son. Son, he just blamed her for choking the shit out of her. This guy, you need to bury this motherfucker under the jail. Now, here's the question.

• 1:10:04Speaker 07

  Aggressed?

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  I need to know the timeline.

• 1:10:07Mark Gagnon?

  What's crazy, there was rumors of maybe Marvel bringing him back in and fuck.

• 1:10:12Speaker 05

  They waited. They sat on that audio.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:14Speaker 05

  I think they waited for these rumors.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  People were defending his ass.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  And I think the chick is white, right?

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  You know, so.

• 1:10:20Speaker 05

  Mistake number one.

• 1:10:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, snow bunny.

• 1:10:23Speaker 05

  Mistake number one.

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  Where's Dr. Kumar? Where is Dr. Kumar when you need him?

• 1:10:27Speaker 05

  Hey, Dr. Kumar is here.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Mistake number one.

• 1:10:32Mark Gagnon?

  Now, that's because the video came out, she had his phone. It's like, you know, you shouldn't take people's property. It's just like.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  And what was the video of her, of him running away from her?

• 1:10:42Speaker 05

  That was that. Suddenly, suddenly, black people are all about castle doctor, huh? Not my property now. I know. And he was running away from her. She was the aggressor.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, but isn't, yeah.

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  But now, oof.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  Okay, so this is, I, I'm not mature enough to have this conversation. I just want to point that out right now.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  I think it's better that way.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  I am not mature enough to have this conversation. Okay, none of us are mature enough to have this conversation, but we will have it regardless. Now, there is a movie where he was, I think it just recently came out, where he played a bodybuilder. I don't know if it was a historical piece, but it's a movie about weightlifting, specifically bodybuilding. And he gets absolutely like ripped, shredded, jacked for it, which I assume he's taking like tons of, you know, steroids and all these other performance enhancing drugs.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  You think that's, that's to blame, or?

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  I didn't say that at all.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  I didn't say that at all. I didn't say that at all. I didn't say that at all. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, was he taking all those things around the time of his aggressive behavior? Is it possible that these steroids could have, you know, made him lose control?

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  And aggressed.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  It could have made him more aggressive.

• 1:11:58Speaker 05

  He's pretty big in Creed. Maybe he started that.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  It is Hollywood's fault. It's Hollywood's fault.

• 1:12:04Speaker 05

  You know what? I think I, I think I got the PR move for him.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:12:08Speaker 05

  Sometimes a man is struggling with his sexuality.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  He doesn't know how to handle the fact that he might be a different sexuality. And so he's a little, he takes it out on women in a way that's not fair. Because I can't help but notice his pictures with Michael B. Jordan. No aggression. No aggression whatsoever. Very comfortable.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  Did you not hear what he came out as?

• 1:12:28Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Oh, this is just perfectly timed. Look this up if you can, Joey. I'm pretty sure he just came out and said that he was molested. As a child.

• 1:12:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Speaker 03

  Look that up.

• 1:12:42Speaker 05

  You hold on to that.

• 1:12:43Mark Gagnon?

  I miss the old days when it was just like, you're hungry? Have a Snickers. Like, you know, when you were angry or hangry? Just eat some. Just blame it on now it's hungry.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Does he say that he was?

• 1:12:54Speaker 07

  He was sexually abused at age nine.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Say what?

• 1:12:58Speaker 07

  Sexually abused at age nine.

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  So, yeah, so he came out saying he was sexually abused. I can't help.

• 1:13:02Mark Gagnon?

  Man or woman, that counts.

• 1:13:04Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  Both.

• 1:13:05Mark Gagnon?

  Ooh.

• 1:13:05Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  Everybody, everybody, popular.

• 1:13:08Speaker 05

  Cutie.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:13:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yo.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  We're not, we're not mature. Turn the AC off.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  He, we are not mature enough to have this conversation. I just want to let you know. But do you think he tried to beat the?

• 1:13:27Mark Gagnon?

  Even though very popular is the same shit.

• 1:13:32Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:13:35Speaker 05

  How do you say you gotta be flattered as an adult? You looking back?

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  I mean, he was.

• 1:13:39Speaker 05

  I had it. I had it like that.

• 1:13:43Speaker 03

  You have to feel bad for him. Dove is out of here.

• 1:13:45Mark Gagnon?

  You just walked up.

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  He wanted to do nothing to do with that.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  Where you going? Looking for Jonathan Maitland?

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  He's old now.

• 1:13:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:13:55Mark Gagnon?

  Damn. Fucking hell.

• 1:13:56Speaker 07

  I mean, this is what Kevin Spacey did.

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 1:13:59Speaker 07

  He got accused of like abusing a kid and he was like, I'm just gay.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  No, the kid was.

• 1:14:04Mark Gagnon?

  He really is gay.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  The kid was, but, okay, listen, the kid was 17. And also gay.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  So that doesn't count.

• 1:14:13Speaker 05

  That's crazier than what I said. Cause he's like, that's not a joke.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  I don't think.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying?

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  I can't be, I'm not the only crazy one.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  Let me make the argument. Let me make the argument.

• 1:14:26Mark Gagnon?

  I'm mature enough to.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Gay, we're not mature enough to have this conversation, but like gay on gay is, is the exact same thing as like male 17 year old and like 30 year old teacher. Female.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  As long as they're both gay, if it's a straight dude that's being, you know, taken advantage of by a gay guy, that's fucked up. But if it's a gay guy just getting to fuck a 30-year-old movie star. We don't know about that. We don't know about that.

• 1:14:52Speaker 07

  Also, I agree. I'm Team Kevin Spacey, because I'm pretty sure all the accusers did end up dying.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, so we're not gonna sit here and accuse him of anything.

• 1:14:58Speaker 07

  No, I'm nothing. I'm Team, I'm Team Spacey, bro.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  Fucking demons in his asshole, that's for sure.

• 1:15:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, I love House of Cards.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Okay, so basically, at nine, Jonathan Majors was the town tricycle.

• 1:15:17Speaker 03

  We're not mature enough to have this conversation, right? That's horrible. There's a lot of people that deal with this, absolutely. This is horrible, and those people should go to jail. But that doesn't make it okay for him to choke the shit out of a woman.

• 1:15:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's why we're making these jokes, because he did something heinous.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  The only reason we're making these jokes is because it seems like he tried to undercut the abuse towards this innocent woman with his own molestation. Okay. And that's not allowed. And when you do that, we get to make fun of you for that.

• 1:15:45Speaker 07

  True.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  Hurt people, hurt people. He was obviously hurt. Those people that hurt him should be, should be fucking, at least questioned. We gotta see what the fuck was happening in this town. We gotta understand what's going on. But he should go to prison for choking the shit out of a, a white woman.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  What the fuck is happening? Where's Megan Good in all this? She was like his crisis PR. She came in. She's so hot. And she was walking around with him. She's this beautiful, stunning, talented woman. Why is she with this dirtbag?

• 1:16:18Speaker 07

  But who is this person, Megan Good?

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Oh my god, one of the most... Are you out of your fucking mind?

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  I feel like I wanna aggress you.

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  Look at, look at, that's her in like her, I don't know, what, mid-40s probably?

• 1:16:29Mark Gagnon?

  You can pull her up from any age.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  I mean, she's just absolutely beautiful.

• 1:16:33Speaker 05

  Retarded.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you married, so.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, see, I think we need a TikTok about that. We need a TikTok immediately about the way your man talking about making good.

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  That's a good idea.

• 1:16:51Speaker 07

  But she an actress.

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  Do it again on there.

• 1:16:53Mark Gagnon?

  You what? Is she an actress? This both.

• 1:16:55Speaker 07

  I'm being dead serious.

• 1:16:56Mark Gagnon?

  I'm gonna slap you, so.

• 1:16:57Speaker 07

  Why? Why am I supposed to know this?

• 1:16:58Mark Gagnon?

  You're just supposed to, you just.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  I mean, it is.

• 1:17:01Speaker 07

  She's a beautiful woman, but I don't believe that she is.

• 1:17:02Speaker 05

  Okay, can we like a man stomped the yard Friday? She's in Friday, she's in the yard.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  Damn, damn.

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  Yo, bro, damn.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  She's like, damn.

• 1:17:10Speaker 05

  She was young. Yeah, she was cute in Friday.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  You're not.

• 1:17:12Mark Gagnon?

  True to be an Indian, bro.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  You want a sister so bad, it's unbelievable.

• 1:17:18Speaker 05

  Well, I can't help it if I've seen Friday enough to.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  You want that?

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. No, that's.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:17:24Mark Gagnon?

  He was grooming in his brain, he just didn't know it.

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  And I didn't realize until well later. Somebody told me.

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 1:17:30Speaker 07

  What do you mean?

• 1:17:30Speaker 05

  Somebody told me years later, we were seeing her in Stomp the Yard or whatever. He's like, dude, she was in something, she was a kid. I forget which movie. And then I looked it up.

• 1:17:38Speaker 07

  I saw Friday.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  Oh, nice.

• 1:17:40Speaker 07

  I saw that. That was one that I did see.

• 1:17:41Speaker 05

  Good.

• 1:17:42Speaker 07

  I don't remember her in that film, though.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  Good, good.

• 1:17:44Mark Gagnon?

  He only saw The Hot Boys.

• 1:17:47Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Man, that's really fucked up what he had to endure as a child. Child of the Matrix. If it's even true, we don't know if it's true. He might just be saying it to like, subvert this woman's narrative about him beating the shit out of her.

• 1:17:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:58Speaker 03

  How awful would that be if he lied about that just to gain sympathy for us when we want to hate a woman beater?

• 1:18:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Oof. I mean, the things people will do.

• 1:18:09Mark Gagnon?

  I don't think it's a lie. Because if you're gonna lie, just say I was molested by a woman. You're gonna add the molested by a dude shit.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  But then you gotta forgive him.

• 1:18:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Speaker 05

  Also.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Molested by a man, we were more sensitive to than molested by a woman.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Can we look up how old he is?

• 1:18:23Mark Gagnon?

  So then maybe it is lying. He's like, I gotta kind of offset the gay.

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  Yo, yo, this is one of the two, though. This is one of the two.

• 1:18:30Mark Gagnon?

  The likelihood you get molested by two different adults, come on.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Can I tell you?

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  That's why I said what I said. That's what, you see what I said, what I said?

• 1:18:37Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 1:18:37Speaker 05

  You see last time I said?

• 1:18:38Mark Gagnon?

  It was different.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  You see, you hate.

• 1:18:40Mark Gagnon?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:18:41Speaker 07

  He's looking at stats.

• 1:18:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 03

  I'm looking at stats.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  All right, let's have a real conversation. He's 35. This happened when he was nine. You had 26 years. To go to therapy, work through your issues. Yeah, it's fucked up. That happened to you. It was very traumatic. Twenty six years, you could have worked through it. You didn't. I'm not gonna forgive what you did because this potentially happened.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  You've been in therapy for twenty years. You still angry as fuck. How do you think he's gonna get over molestation?

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  I ain't choking my wife and she got more attitude than this bitch. I promise.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  Babe, you said you choked or what?

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  I said, I ain't choking my wife.

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  Oh, you ain't choking, okay.

• 1:19:09Speaker 05

  And she got more attitude than this girl, I promise.

• 1:19:10Mark Gagnon?

  That's because she will fuck you up.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  That'll be an even fight. I wanna see you throw down. Now you're fighting.

• 1:19:19Mark Gagnon?

  That's an even fight. You had the same weight class.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  There's no way. Not me now.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  Damn, bro. Alright, well, listen, we got through most of the trauma section of today's episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:35Mark Gagnon?

  I feel like-

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  Free Jonathan Majors, though. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 1:19:38Mark Gagnon?

  I mean-

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  He abused a woman, Al. Yeah, that's not-

• 1:19:41Mark Gagnon?

  He was molested.

• 1:19:44Mark Gagnon?

  Cancer stuff.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  No, that's not- That's what the Marvel movies try to do, right? Remember when Magneto was a bad guy and then we had to feel bad that he was in the Holocaust or whatever? Remember, like, everybody, everybody, they just used the Holocaust to humanize Magneto. Like, nobody asked about Magneto, right? Of course, of course, I'm not even gonna say it.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  Okay, go ahead, go ahead. I was thinking it, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Of course, the Jewish character in Marvel can control the coin.

• 1:20:16Speaker 03

  Like, I couldn't believe they shoehorned that story into it. Like, none of us need to know about his backstory and feel bad for him. He's trying to kill all the human beings in the world and we're supposed to be like, oh, but he was in the Holocaust. It was, oh, we can't do that.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  I can't, why did we let that happen? But that, that made him a better villain. I agree. We should use-

• 1:20:40Mark Gagnon?

  Of course he was the villain.

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  But they made the movie.

• 1:20:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I know, I know. They did invent that.

• 1:20:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Holocaust?

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, we're not gonna do it.

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  We're kind of podcasting.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:20:54Speaker 05

  We're not gonna do it. Going off the rails, dude. We're not gonna do it. I don't know, you guys need to calm, simmer down. Yeah, we need to simmer down. Oh, can we talk about some sports?

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  Let's do it, man.

• 1:21:05Speaker 05

  Buddy, did you see the George the Messiah, Brian Scalabrine drama, this whole thing?

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  I'm conflicted on this.

• 1:21:11Speaker 05

  Okay, so I'll just walk you, to anybody who doesn't know, George the Messiah is a New York streetball legend.

• 1:21:16Mark Gagnon?

  A legend.

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  He plays at a court on West Fourth Street and Sixth Ave called The Cage. Typical, everything you think a New York baller is, like the old man at the gym, he's that to a million. Talks cash shit, fouls you like crazy, if you try to call a foul, he calls you soft, he won't, he's not standing for it, and he'll beat you, he's got like these, this like nice like hookshot floater that goes in, and there's all kinds of videos of him beating people one on one, then they ask him in an interview, you think you could take an NBA Hooper? He said, yeah, bring him, bring him to West Fourth University, it's different over here. He goes, I think I could beat Brian Scalabrine, and they're like, that guy's 6'9", he's like, no.

• 1:21:53Speaker 03

  White Mamba, the white Mamba.

• 1:21:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, the white Mamba, I could beat him, and then Scalabrine's like, you know what? Sounds good, I'll be in New York this Saturday, let's do it. So they have a game, everybody's hype, and Brian Scalabrine, it's just one of the more satisfying videos to watch, to be honest with you, because we've all played that old guy at the rec, and just fouls you and talks shit and is annoying, and Brian Scalabrine just bullies this guy. Why are you conflicted? I mean, he just bullies him.

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  So, I'm conflicted because obviously I want to, you know, side with the New York City streetball legend and shit talker, but there's also a part of me that just loves the fact that Scalabrine shows up anytime someone calls him out. He's like Beetlejuice.

• 1:22:31Speaker 05

  He has the greatest quote, he says, I'm closer to LeBron James than you are to me.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  And it's just like, nobody will believe him, but he keeps on busting people's ass every single time.

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  There was a story in Boston where they were shitting on him, that he's the lowest ranked player on NBA 2K or whatever, he called like a radio station, he's like, yo, anybody who thinks they can beat me that's not in the league, come to this rec center in Boston, and then he beats the shit out of all of them.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Every single one of them.

• 1:22:52Mark Gagnon?

  That's fire. I like that energy.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  That's fire. Yeah, no, so I fuck with him for that, and there is a moment here where George is fouling shit at him.

• 1:23:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  And he does some... You know, old school move, like he's got him in a post and he, he makes a move and he kind of tucks his elbow up and under and hits George in the chin with the elbow to create some space.

• 1:23:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  But he didn't back away from it. He was just like, listen, you wanted to, you wanted to play around with fire, you're gonna get burnt. And he started talking crazy shit.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  George didn't really know what to do.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  Yeah. So at one point, he says, he gets on the mic from the guy who's commentating. He's like, yo, he was fouling me the whole time. So I started fouling back. And then one guy goes, you're fouling him worse though. And Brian just goes, oh, get off his nuts.

• 1:23:38Speaker 03

  So you gotta realize like Scalabrine, it's not like he was raised in Nova Scotia. He's been hooping with the baddest motherfuckers on the planet his whole life. He knows how to talk shit. He's also a big dude.

• 1:23:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  He's skilled as fuck.

• 1:23:49Speaker 05

  He could shoot. His whole thing in the league was just hitting open threes. So he can still stroke it.

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  Oh, he says something at one point. One guy goes, hey, yo, he don't even clock it. He didn't even care. He says something like, yo, you go hard or you go hard or something. The guy goes, ay, yo. But it's the most New York shit ever.

• 1:24:07Speaker 03

  But I think he, I think he blanks him. I think.

• 1:24:09Speaker 05

  11-0, he beats his ass.

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, he just bullies this kid, dominates. I think Joey pulled up some of the highlights and that he takes off the hoodie at some point.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Straight at him.

• 1:24:19Speaker 07

  Love that.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, he getting fouled.

• 1:24:24Speaker 07

  Scalabrine's 46.

• 1:24:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Yo, we like to believe like the last person on the bench in the NBA isn't a super alpha.

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Speaker 03

  You have to be so alpha to even get into the league.

• 1:24:36Speaker 07

  He was the best guy at his high school.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  The best guy his entire life.

• 1:24:39Speaker 07

  And best guy at his college.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 07

  And then made the league.

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  And he wasn't bad with the Spurs. He did his job. Like if you get him open, he'll hit the three.

• 1:24:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Speaker 05

  And that's not that easy to do. There's some high pressure moments. It was a championship team. They gotta get a ring.

• 1:24:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  So like, he hit big shots.

• 1:24:53Speaker 07

  When you're at home and you're looking at that, it's like, oh, I could do that. I could just stand at the corner and wait for the ball. Like.

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  He pulls the fuck up.

• 1:24:59Speaker 07

  Scalabrine kind of leaned into it in a way, like just by being like fun, you know what I mean? Like he would like do silly antics. He called himself the white mamba. So I think he kind of likes in a way that people underestimate him.

• 1:25:09Speaker 05

  People called him the white mamba, I think, but he like, he didn't mind it.

• 1:25:12Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 05

  He wasn't like, but you can't.

• 1:25:14Speaker 03

  I love it, but shout out George, man. I always see George over by West 4th. Shout out fucking George the legend.

• 1:25:20Speaker 05

  I've never seen him.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  Did you bet on, did you bet on the George the Messiah?

• 1:25:23Speaker 05

  No, but if you.

• 1:25:24Speaker 03

  What do we, what do we got for March Madness? You guys care at all?

• 1:25:26Speaker 05

  You should, you should care.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  I don't give a fuck. I know St. John's won the Big East. Like, to me, all that proves is that if you get the big coach, you get the big money and then you can get the good players.

• 1:25:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  Wait, who's the coach of St. John's?

• 1:25:43Speaker 05

  To me, all that proves is everything everybody been saying for the last thirty years.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  What, what do you mean for thirty years?

• 1:25:49Speaker 05

  Everybody knows this, you get the best coach in college basketball, you have a chance.

• 1:25:52Speaker 03

  Well, why do you have a chance?

• 1:25:53Speaker 05

  Coach K built up Duke from nothing. It wasn't like a stellar program before he got there.

• 1:25:58Speaker 03

  Right, but are, do you listen to what I said?

• 1:26:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  Are you sure?

• 1:26:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, you get the best coach, you get the most money, you get the best players.

• 1:26:04Speaker 03

  But why do you think you get the best players?

• 1:26:06Speaker 05

  Cause you have the best coach.

• 1:26:08Speaker 03

  No, cause you pay the players.

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  Because the money goes in when you get the coach.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Coach K wasn't paying the players.

• 1:26:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  The example, do you, do you remember the example you just used?

• 1:26:19Speaker 05

  Okay, fair.

• 1:26:19Speaker 03

  When you make an argument, do you think at all, like, what happens in your head? When you make, when you say no?

• 1:26:24Speaker 05

  John Calipari.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Good job! Yes, yes, yes, you're making my point.

• 1:26:29Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  So you agree?

• 1:26:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  Okay, good.

• 1:26:32Speaker 05

  That's what I was saying.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  No, you didn't say it at all. You said the exact opposite thing.

• 1:26:36Speaker 05

  No, but this is not new information.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  With supreme confidence.

• 1:26:38Speaker 05

  This is not new information.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  You are George the Messiah.

• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  Okay, fair enough. This is not new information.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  He's scalding me. I'm scalping Brady right now.

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  This is not new information.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Hop off his nuts. Just hop off his nuts, Al Kosh. Okay. Who's St. John's coach? Uh, it's not Pacino, but it is.

• 1:26:53Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:26:55Speaker 05

  It's Patino, right?

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  It's Patino, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Rick Patino, who's like a legendary, you know, college coach. I think he even tried to coach in the league once.

• 1:27:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, Celtics.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  Celtics, it wasn't good, but he's killed it with college. And, um, so he's there, but in my whole life, I was like, oh, I guess these guys, and I don't want to take anything away from like Coach K, but like, my whole life growing up, I was like, I guess these guys just have this intangible skill. They understand two, three defense better than these other guys. And it's no, it's like, Rick's got the connection, I don't want to shit on him, but he probably got the connection to Nike and all the players want a connection to Nike. So the guys that are getting scooped up early when they're in fucking middle school, Nike's. You know, put them in the pocket. You can't pay them. Now you can pay them and then I'll, but before their team is being sponsored, you have connection to these people and then you funnel them into this league and they all go or into this team and they're also going at that time like, well, man, if I, if I, if I'm on this coach's team, I'll probably get more airtime and that's going to give me a better chance of getting into the league, etc.

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  So within two years, they win the Big East and St. John's hadn't won a fucking game in the tournament since we were in high school. I feel like, who would play for St. John's when we were in high school? Was it? Artest didn't play at St. John's, did he?

• 1:27:57Mark Gagnon?

  Carmelo.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 1:27:59Speaker 05

  Syracuse.

• 1:27:59Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah, I'm bugging.

• 1:28:01Speaker 03

  Was it Artest? There was a team back in the day that was like, good for a sec. Oh, no, Barkley. There was a kid named something Barkley.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  I don't know that kid. I remember St. Joe's had a little run, but St. John's, I remember being like, aren't y'all supposed to be good?

• 1:28:14Speaker 03

  So back in the day, yeah, this is Mark Jackson, Chris Mullin, Jason Williams, the one that killed somebody.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  And then there was a Barkley that played there at one time. And then Meta Sanford Artest, 100%. Anyway, point being is, uh, like, yeah, that's, and then I was looking at this in terms of a program. So if you're a university, you go, okay, how much does Patino want a year? He wants 5 million a year. Okay. How much do we make as a university if we make the, the, if we make the NCAA tournament? We're selling out every single game during the year and then we're getting a tournament. I'm sure you get a piece of that tournament budget. You go, well, fuck it. I'd rather pay the coach than pay these players.

• 1:28:52Speaker 07

  You make final four?

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:54Speaker 07

  Out of here.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  Crazy money. And this is within two seasons, right? I think Patino took over two years ago.

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  About?

• 1:29:01Speaker 05

  Something like that.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  I don't know. Like it's a pretty fast turnaround. So I'm looking like every small university, I'm looking, I'm going, hey, where's the biggest donor? And going, how do we get Calipari? How do we get what NBA coach is about to just, you know, get fired because they're not good enough? Bring his ass in here. Let's make it happen.

• 1:29:19Speaker 07

  How much do you even need the coach? Like, could Elon just be the coach of a college basketball team? And get the money figured out and then just get the best.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  Here's the thing about the coach and I don't want to see them like I'm shitting on coaches, but like, and maybe it's different at the college level, but like the last few coaches.

• 1:29:34Speaker 03

  The last few coaches that won the NBA championship were all first year coaches.

• 1:29:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, that guy with Toronto, uh, who won last year, the guy, the guy with the Lakers, it was his first year.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  Kerr, I think his first year.

• 1:29:46Speaker 05

  Kerr won it. He won first year. Absolutely. He won in his first year.

• 1:29:49Mark Gagnon?

  Sounds like. Maybe they brought something new, innovative to the game.

• 1:29:52Speaker 03

  Like?

• 1:29:53Mark Gagnon?

  No, just the fact that they were new. Like you're saying like

• 1:29:56Speaker 05

  Kerr, I think you had to maximize his players.

• 1:29:58Mark Gagnon?

  And I'm saying, no, maybe the fact that they brought a new, uh, different way to play is the reason why they won.

• 1:30:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think with Kerr more so, but like the Lakers guy, the first year they win in the COVID, it's like, what, you have LeBron?

• 1:30:08Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  He's your coach.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  I think that's what happens. Like, and maybe in college is a little different, but then you could also argue like the delta between like an average, good college player and an NBA level college player is way bigger than like a really good NBA player and then an average NBA player.

• 1:30:23Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  You know, so like if you have a superstar in college, you're fucking.

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, you might be set.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  Exactly. Melo, like dominating Syracuse, it was like, he was unstoppable. The guy's like fucking six, nine, he could dribble, he could pull up from three. It was, it's like he's playing with high school kids.

• 1:30:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  Anyway, um, so what do we think for this year? Who do we think takes it? Like, I don't even know.

• 1:30:43Speaker 05

  I don't know anything about college basketball, but I'm going to ride to St. St. John's. That'd be such a fun.

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  For the city, it would be great because we pretend like we support St. John's when they're good.

• 1:30:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Like the whole city gets involved. You see the St. John's jerseys pop out.

• 1:30:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, right?

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  We don't even know what borough that shit is in.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  You need that energy back. Yeah.

• 1:30:58Mark Gagnon?

  I'll take the other New York team. I'll take the Liberty.

• 1:31:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. Respect.

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  All right. So you got Liberty. You got St. John's, you said?

• 1:31:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 07

  I'm pulling Florida, dude. Come on. They're ranked number one, apparently, which I didn't even know that.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:31:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, UF. UF's good. Or I'm going for Drake. You gotta support Drake. Drake is my guy. Drake can do no wrong.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I think I'm going, uh, I can't go Duke.

• 1:31:22Mark Gagnon?

  Don't go Duke.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  I'll go Duke for you, so you can go St. John's.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Okay, fine. All right. I'll go, I'll go St. John's. You go Duke. I mean, is Cooper injured? If he's injured, I think it changes.

• 1:31:32Speaker 05

  I think it's uncertain if he's going to be, but if they can make it through the first weekend, he might be okay.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  Now, here's the question. How often do you play in the tournament?

• 1:31:40Speaker 05

  You, two games each weekend, I think.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  Oh, so it's.

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  So like the whatever, the first round and then the second round, then Sweet 16 is a week later. Elite Eight is Monday. Then a full week, then it's Final Four.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  So in the beginning, you're playing more often though?

• 1:31:54Speaker 05

  No, it's just two games each weekend, two rounds each weekend.

• 1:31:56Speaker 03

  How much, how many times does one team play a week?

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  Twice, if they keep winning.

• 1:32:01Speaker 03

  That's a lot if you're coming off injury.

• 1:32:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think he has to sit out the first weekend. I think if they can make it through, because if they're a one seed, they're playing the lowest seed in the first round, you should be able to win without Cooper's leg. Second round, hopefully. And if you can get through that, then you might be okay for the elite or Sweet 16. And that's where it's like, we need you.

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  It's crazy how unpredictable this shit is. Like with the NBA, we know who's gonna win at the beginning of the season, most likely, unless there's like a big injury or something like that. This tournament shit, it's like.

• 1:32:29Speaker 05

  No lead is safe in college, because they're not as good, they can't close it out. So it's 16-point lead in college doesn't mean anything. I mean, I guess it doesn't as much now in the pros, because there's so many threes, but like, no lead is safe, ever.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, so sick.

• 1:32:41Speaker 05

  You almost know a comeback is happening.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  I wonder if that's part of it. Like, in the pros, they weren't shooting as many threes, there weren't as many players that could hit pro threes.

• 1:32:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  So the leads were a little bit safer.

• 1:32:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:54Speaker 03

  Whereas the college threes always have been super close. So the guys who can't really shoot at NBA range could shoot pretty efficiently in college. And then you could evaporate a lead pretty quickly.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  So I wonder if, obviously, part of it is like the skill set, like there's like singular unbelievable talent.

• 1:33:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:12Speaker 03

  But there's just more guys gonna hit a college three.

• 1:33:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  So you could evaporate that lead.

• 1:33:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, that makes sense. I always attribute it to a college kid not being as able to withstand the momentum shifts.

• 1:33:22Speaker 03

  So like, they're emotionally caught up in the game.

• 1:33:24Speaker 05

  They're not as used to it, it's like.

• 1:33:26Speaker 03

  Also, you gotta see every one of them fans.

• 1:33:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  When you're, when you're at home, they're in your physics class, like, if you miss that free throw, you gotta look at that guy, and you gotta explain to you how gravity works.

• 1:33:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:33:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  All right, well, let's see what happens. Listen, if you're betting, you know you're doing a mistake, okay? Stakes the leader in global betting and US social casinos, bet on top sports and political events, and use the promo code FLAGGER for your welcome bonus. Now let's get back to the show. Miles, you met an OnlyFans girl?

• 1:33:52Speaker 08

  What, a male OnlyFans girl? No, no, I saw an OnlyFans girl on Instagram, on my Instagram, and I brought her up to Mark, that I think this is in, this is crazy, I actually didn't even want to say the allegation I have.

• 1:34:05Speaker 07

  Can we just pull her up?

• 1:34:05Speaker 08

  Yeah, just pull her up.

• 1:34:07Speaker 07

  Where are we going with this? This is an interesting, an interesting woman that's possibly.

• 1:34:11Speaker 08

  Stop talking about me on the pod. It's never been good.

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  Okay, now it's good.

• 1:34:15Speaker 08

  It's never been a positive.

• 1:34:17Speaker 03

  Now it's good.

• 1:34:18Speaker 07

  This is positive.

• 1:34:19Speaker 08

  There has to be a positive story.

• 1:34:21Speaker 05

  Okay. Pretty girl.

• 1:34:24Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, she a little ree-ree.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  Oh, I know this one. Is this the one I'm?

• 1:34:28Mark Gagnon?

  No, that's the other one. That other one got a dumper on her.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  So there is a girl, I don't know if she's on OnlyFans, but she's definitely all over my TikTok and Instagram and everything.

• 1:34:37Speaker 05

  Search.

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  Pause. That is the girl.

• 1:34:39Mark Gagnon?

  No, the other one got a bigger dumper.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I think what we're all talking about is.

• 1:34:45Mark Gagnon?

  They got a similar face.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  There is a girl who is putting on a Down syndrome filter.

• 1:34:51Speaker 03

  That's her.

• 1:34:52Speaker 08

  I think this is the girl that's using a filter because she's like, she's sort of too upfront about it. I think one of the caption that caught me off guard was like, I'm Downs and also down or something crazy.

• 1:35:04Mark Gagnon?

  I saw that one.

• 1:35:05Speaker 08

  And then I went on the Instagram account.

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  Now, this is a tricky one because they are above age in physically, but mentally. They, they stopped maturing probably around, I don't know, 12, 13 or something like that, right? So.

• 1:35:21Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:35:21Speaker 03

  Despite, yeah. So what is the rule with that?

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  I think it's intellectual maturity.

• 1:35:29Speaker 08

  Yeah, you gotta go, no.

• 1:35:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think you can have sex with a Down syndrome person.

• 1:35:34Mark Gagnon?

  No sex, but you can admire them.

• 1:35:39Speaker 03

  No, wait a minute.

• 1:35:40Mark Gagnon?

  The body's still of age.

• 1:35:41Speaker 03

  Hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. He's on to something. Admiring them would not involve any intellectual manipulation at all and their body is of age.

• 1:35:50Speaker 05

  And there's no intellectual connection between you two. You're not exploring for the thought. You're not talking to her.

• 1:35:54Mark Gagnon?

  You can never listen to them when they speak.

• 1:35:56Speaker 05

  You're talking about women in general?

• 1:35:57Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  So, so this is really interesting. It is not wrong if they had one before, and we know it's not wrong because Victoria's Secret, I think, had one of them at the show, right? Didn't they have a Down syndrome model, modeling? So clearly it's okay that we observe them and admire them. Right?

• 1:36:14Speaker 08

  No.

• 1:36:14Mark Gagnon?

  Good, I'm safe.

• 1:36:15Speaker 03

  You're safe. You're safe. Now, having sex with them, you would be having sex with a 12-year-old trapped in a 24-year-old fucking supermodel's body.

• 1:36:25Speaker 08

  Yeah, which is gross.

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  Which is wrong. So it'd be like the same for her with me?

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  You would have to argue that you had the maturity of a 12 year old in court. Yeah, I know. I have penis balls on my fingernails. Hey, look at my fingernails. I have penis balls all over my fingernails. I'm not dirty.

• 1:36:44Speaker 07

  He's pretty retarded. He already said that.

• 1:36:48Speaker 08

  Now, so I think she's faking.

• 1:36:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, that brings up a whole other ethical ripple.

• 1:36:52Speaker 03

  Well, the Victoria's Secret model is not faking.

• 1:36:55Speaker 08

  Of course, of course.

• 1:36:55Speaker 03

  But this girl that you were bringing up.

• 1:36:58Speaker 08

  Yes.

• 1:36:58Speaker 03

  It appears is pretending to have Down's Syndrome, so.

• 1:37:02Mark Gagnon?

  There's multiple of these.

• 1:37:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, that we would look at them on the internet, which is working.

• 1:37:06Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:37:07Speaker 03

  According to the algorithm.

• 1:37:08Speaker 08

  Yeah. Yeah, I think she's using AI face swap or like a something.

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  That's devious, dude. That's devil's work.

• 1:37:14Speaker 08

  That's what I'm trying to say. It's crazy, right? That like, that's her angle into this.

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, but who developed the AI face swap to make you look down? Like, is she also coding?

• 1:37:25Speaker 08

  No, I'm sure it's an app. I'm sure it's just an app.

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  So you think there's an app out there?

• 1:37:28Speaker 08

  For sure.

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  What's it called?

• 1:37:30Speaker 08

  I'm gonna find out.

• 1:37:33Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, see, look, there's another one.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:37:36Mark Gagnon?

  There's another.

• 1:37:37Speaker 03

  Look at him acting like he just found it.

• 1:37:39Speaker 08

  No, no, no. No, no, I definitely went. I definitely went in my.

• 1:37:43Speaker 03

  What are your chances? What are your chances?

• 1:37:46Mark Gagnon?

  I was trying to figure out if it's the same girl, but they look the same.

• 1:37:50Speaker 03

  Something, guys.

• 1:37:51Mark Gagnon?

  But they look the same.

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  Like Scoops.

• 1:37:54Speaker 07

  Wait, but does she say that she's, hold on, pause the audience. Does she say that she's a neurodivergent?

• 1:38:00Mark Gagnon?

  I mean, look at the face.

• 1:38:02Speaker 03

  Just turn your volume down. Read the bio. Read the bio. Do something you've never done with a woman in your life.

• 1:38:06Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. I'm not real. Oh, fuck. I'm not real. I'm an AI character and do not have Down's.

• 1:38:14Speaker 03

  Son, you been checking out AI retards?

• 1:38:16Mark Gagnon?

  Son, she got a dump her.

• 1:38:19Speaker 03

  No, I think that's artificial unintelligence.

• 1:38:24Speaker 05

  Let's get back to the show. There's just a clip that I think was very fitting, given what's been happening on Flagrant and the newest romance that's blossoming amongst the Flagrant staff. So why don't we just watch this clip, let it play out. We don't need any context, you don't need any sound, just watch. Two, well, the characters are brothers, but just watch. And this has been viral because White Lotus has been kind of building with this weird subplot. We can just press play whenever you want. We'll talk, who cares? So this is one brother and another brother. They smooch on the lips and that's initially, and then the second one is similar to what has happened on the Flagrant set, I believe, between Miles and David.

• 1:39:03Speaker 03

  He liked that.

• 1:39:04Speaker 07

  Kiss on the set.

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  He liked that.

• 1:39:06Speaker 05

  So I just think, you know, it's like Kissmouth, you know what I mean? God shows this episode right after we find out about Miles and David. And you're still trying to wrap your mind around the characters because you are not caught up on the show. You didn't see it building toward this?

• 1:39:21Speaker 03

  No, I saw it. I saw when he went to go jerk off and he was looking at his butt or whatever.

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  And then he made out on them a third time, hard. That kid is David. Miles is the one that's a little disturbed by it, but...

• 1:39:31Speaker 03

  But he's still okay. He didn't move away, like. Do we know, like, I haven't gotten to this episode yet, but do we know if they're like actually brothers or... Yeah. They're blood brothers?

• 1:39:46Speaker 05

  Seemingly blood brothers.

• 1:39:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:48Speaker 05

  They're trying to hook up with these girls, the girls start kissing, and I think they kiss, each of them kisses the younger guy, and then they're like, now you two need to kiss if we want to stick.

• 1:39:55Speaker 08

  It's like classic party thing. He's like, you guys should kiss, you guys should kiss.

• 1:39:58Speaker 07

  It's like one of those classic party situations, right, Miles? It just, it happens all the time.

• 1:40:07Speaker 08

  Keep podcasting.

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  Whenever we accuse him of, he is. I just want to let you know. And he's going to incriminate himself. We don't need to say a single thing. Every time he opens his mouth organically and authentically, he will prove he is racist and now gay.

• 1:40:23Speaker 08

  Keep podcasting. I'm not here.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  That's what David's dick looks like.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:40:35Mark Gagnon?

  It was, I thought they were building up that the younger brother was gonna hook up with the sister.

• 1:40:39Speaker 05

  The sister, he seems like he's into whatever.

• 1:40:41Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:42Speaker 05

  The little brother's a creep. He's like kinda innocent, but also demented.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  Well, okay, so now everybody's back in on the show.

• 1:40:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, my, yeah.

• 1:40:50Speaker 03

  So, first of all, I just wanna say something, which I admire a TV show. This is their third season, right? So you could, you know, you could grab your balls and go on the third season. By that, I mean, you could take as long as you want to build up the storylines, and then when you finally execute, huge cannonball splash.

• 1:41:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:09Speaker 03

  The first few episodes came out and people were writing this shit off. They're like, oh, they lost it. The first two seasons were good.

• 1:41:14Mark Gagnon?

  I still feel that way.

• 1:41:15Speaker 03

  You, oh, oh, interesting.

• 1:41:16Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, even after this episode, I still.

• 1:41:17Speaker 05

  This episode was weird as fuck. It was my least favorite. I didn't feel that way.

• 1:41:20Speaker 03

  Okay, let me just get out what people were saying. And I spoke to one of the producers of the show and he was like, "Yeah, it's annoying that there's like a lot of criticism about it, but like, we're building up towards this thing." And, and I was like, "I think that takes courage." Like, now with today's, the internet culture, you just wanna give everybody something in the first three seconds so they don't scroll away.

• 1:41:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  So I think it's brave to actually slow play something.

• 1:41:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  And then deliver big five episodes in or six episodes in. And the reality is with the, uh, what's it called, the binge culture, people can just, if they turned it off after two episodes and they find out something crazy happened on six, one weekend, they'll just plow through the rest of it. So you can really let these, these characters marinate.

• 1:42:00Speaker 07

  Can't we give a show time? Right? Like, they had two great seasons. They deliver every time. The show opens with a murder, a mass shooting at a resort.

• 1:42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:07Speaker 07

  And everyone on episode two is like, "Oh, this sucks."

• 1:42:10Speaker 03

  I agree with you.

• 1:42:11Speaker 07

  Bill, we're going somewhere.

• 1:42:12Speaker 03

  Now, I wouldn't recommend doing this.

• 1:42:13Speaker 07

  Dude, kissing dude?

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Season one, I wouldn't recommend doing it.

• 1:42:15Speaker 07

  Fair.

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  Season two, that's ballsy, but season three, you've earned it. You put out two great pieces of content.

• 1:42:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Speaker 03

  You should know as the consumer, yo, all these characters are a little fucked up. You might not know why yet, but, you know, pay attention and lock in. And I think they do a really good job on this show specifically of like, creating mystery. You don't know why each person is doing whatever they're doing, but you are curious to see where this is going.

• 1:42:37Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  And, so as much as people bitch or complain on Tik Tok, you gonna keep fucking watching and then when they come through with a hammer, hopefully that's happening in these next few episodes. I haven't seen, but it seems like the reaction to it was this and then also there's a monologue. Oh, yeah, it goes crazy. Oh, Sam Rockwell. And I love the fact that they didn't even mention he's in the show. Usually you have an actor of that size on a show like this. There's not a lot of big actors in the show. Like you can't, like, who's, who's a big actor in the show outside of the dude that played Slytherin?

• 1:43:08Speaker 07

  I mean, dude, the K-pop girl.

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, the K-pop girls. She's not a big actress. Yeah.

• 1:43:12Speaker 07

  But she's dumb famous.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  She's, she's super famous and she's so beautiful.

• 1:43:15Speaker 05

  Walton Goggins is pretty big, right?

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he's, I think he's like,

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  I think he's pretty big. I wouldn't, he's not huge. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like Walton Goggins, I think is just recently with the success of Fallout, maybe become this like beloved character or character actor. But like, there's not like huge superstars in the show.

• 1:43:36Mark Gagnon?

  Like the fat white bitch from the previous seasons, like Jennifer.

• 1:43:39Speaker 03

  She was like a pretty famous person and she got famous from being on the show.

• 1:43:43Mark Gagnon?

  And I miss her. She made the fucking show.

• 1:43:45Speaker 07

  Jennifer Coolidge.

• 1:43:45Mark Gagnon?

  Sorry that I.

• 1:43:46Speaker 03

  Anyway, my point is, is like,

• 1:43:47Mark Gagnon?

  You're really funny.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  When you have an actor of Sam Rockwell's name, his size on a show where there's not a lot of huge marquee actors, usually you would put in the promo, you'd be like, oh, by the way, this guy's coming, so you guys should watch. The fact that they don't even mention it. He's not even the credits or anything like that. I think that's, that shows balls, it shows confidence. The monologue is insane. Do you watch that? No, I haven't seen it. I haven't, I'm not up to this episode yet.

• 1:44:09Speaker 07

  Mine fuck.

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  Why, why is it so good?

• 1:44:11Speaker 05

  No, it's not so good. It's just disturbing. It's crazy.

• 1:44:14Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:44:15Speaker 07

  He basically just shows like the end game, like reductionism of like sex addiction. So it's like, I was addicted to partying and sex and then I got addicted to, I wanted to be the guy, I wanted to be the girls that were getting fucked. So I brought these guys over to fuck me. And then I wanted the girls to see me getting fucked so I could look her in the eye so she could see me getting fucked by me. It's, and then the whole time Goggins' character is just like, huh? He's just being us. It's amazing. It's so well done and like, it's perfect.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  I mean, Rockwell is such a good actor. No, he's a beast. Unbelievable. He's awesome. There's a, yeah, he's, he's a beast. I will say in this show, in the first few episodes that I've, that I've consumed, the relationship between the three girls, watching my wife watch those three girls is unbelievable. Because she's watching and she's like, this is how we are.

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  This is how we are. We kinda like, we're all friends, we hang out, then we all like gossip and talk a little shit behind each other's back. Like, this is like, she goes, this is an obviously exaggerated- Hyperbolic version. Hyperbolic version of a relationship of, you know, a few like close friends, maybe around that age. But she's like, it's not like foreign. Like, it is, it is what a joke should do, or what a TV show should do, is like, take something that is true or real, and then just ratchet up a little bit, but not so much that you couldn't believe it. Does that make sense?

• 1:45:40Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:40Speaker 03

  And you see those combos, and like, I, I think that those three, as annoying as they are, and that feeling that you get where you're like, ugh, I feel uncomfortable watching it, to me, I'm like, that is written to perfection.

• 1:45:52Mark Gagnon?

  I agree with you. So, my shorty, you know, she's from Spain, she, every time when she hangs out with some like, American women, she's like, that is that. She's like, ugh.

• 1:46:02Speaker 03

  That's what the guy, what's his name? Mike White, I believe his name is, the guy who creates the show. I, I think like- He's great. His superpower is like, understanding relationships between people, and like, exaggerating, or like, turning the, up the heat on our most fucked up qualities. Because everything is kind of, these relationships between like, the hot young girl, and like, the older dude that like, pays for everything like that. Like, it's toxic, but it's not abnormal from relationships you've seen. Like, this shit is, he's good. And I think that's why you relate to it so much, like, there's a little part of you that kinda like, either sees somebody you know, or even yourself in these characters.

• 1:46:39Mark Gagnon?

  The waspy, douchey, older brother, like, that, he nails that.

• 1:46:44Speaker 03

  Son, the mom, the pill popping mom. So perfect. My little raspberry.

• 1:46:49Mark Gagnon?

  I haven't been around one of those.

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  That's like, that's some, that's some suburban white shit. Like, in the city, we didn't experience a lot of that. Sometimes on the Upper East Side, you get a little bit of it, but like, a lot of those moms were like, like, high performing, like, working moms, just like that. The mom at home, who marries the rich guy, but like, really cares about her place in, like, local society. I mean, like, how she relates to these people, judge, say that again? The HOA. The HOA, like, the Homeland Association, like, and also the judgment that she has, like, we're not trashy, we're classy, like, I mean, she's, what is that woman's name, the place? Parker Posey. That woman. She's a good, dude, Gone Girl, that's Gone Girl, I'm pretty sure. Wait a minute, is Parker Posey Gone Girl? No, no, no, no, no, no, that's, um- Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, you're, she's a, she was in, is it Six Feet Under, or something like that? I don't know.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  She's been in some shit, obviously, but she's, she's, she deserves to win some shit. Every time she talks, if I'm on that set and I'm one of the other actors, I'm laughing every time she talks.

• 1:47:45Speaker 07

  That's so funny.

• 1:47:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:46Speaker 03

  Like, I don't understand how you keep it straight.

• 1:47:47Speaker 07

  You're gonna stay here in Taiwan? You can't be in Taiwan.

• 1:47:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:50Mark Gagnon?

  Die.

• 1:47:51Speaker 05

  That's the last episode, yeah.

• 1:47:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's unbelievable.

• 1:47:53Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 1:47:54Speaker 07

  I've heard some theories.

• 1:47:55Speaker 03

  Go, go, go.

• 1:47:56Speaker 07

  That, because this guy's stealing all her lorazepam, right?

• 1:48:00Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:48:01Speaker 07

  And he's the only one that knows where it is. She showed him, hey, I'm putting my purse underneath this thing with drugs.

• 1:48:07Speaker 03

  That's my episode that I just watched, yeah.

• 1:48:08Speaker 07

  And then all of a sudden, all the drugs go missing. And she's like, where are my drugs?

• 1:48:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:12Speaker 07

  And she knows that he's the, he's the only one that knows where it is. So is it possible that she knows that he's drugging himself?

• 1:48:19Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:19Speaker 07

  And that is somehow aware of the empire falling down?

• 1:48:24Speaker 03

  Yes, or she just doesn't want to acknowledge or admit that her husband, who is this like pillar of society, whose father, grandfather was a governor of North Carolina, wherever the fuck they're from.

• 1:48:34Speaker 05

  Ostensibly a good dude, like, most of the time you see these guys in movies, they're cheating on their girls, they're X, Y, Z, and then he says, early in the episode, early in the season, the guy that's going to jail, he's like, I was doing you a fucking favor, this didn't even help me. I was just trying to help you out, and you said nothing could happen. So like, he's not some piece of shit, ostensibly, again, some piece of shit scumbag fucking everybody over to get his wealth. He tried to help a guy out, and now it's coming back to bite him in the ass. It seems like a fairly connected father, his kids love him, and you see that guy falling.

• 1:49:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Even, I don't know how far, again, I know it happens the next couple of episodes, because I think I just watched three, or maybe I watched a little bit four.

• 1:49:07Mark Gagnon?

  You're only one episode behind.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  Okay, so, the daughter is a fucking bitch.

• 1:49:15Speaker 03

  Like.

• 1:49:15Mark Gagnon?

  After this episode.

• 1:49:16Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I haven't, I haven't even seen this episode, but the fact that she makes the whole family take a 35-hour flight to go to this thing so that she can, like, what was it, she wanted to interview a monk?

• 1:49:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, she wanted to go live in a monastery.

• 1:49:30Speaker 03

  No, no, no, she told them.

• 1:49:31Mark Gagnon?

  To interview a monk.

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  For my thesis, and when reality, it's just so she could see if the monastery's good and then live there. It's like, she's trying to act like she's this, like, uh, holier-than-thou, like, I don't have attachments, I'm Buddhist. It's like, no, you're the most entitled little fucking [BLEEP]. You wanna do something, so you make your entire family go to Thailand so you could check out this little place?

• 1:49:52Speaker 07

  That's fair.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  And, and the irony that she doesn't even realize her own entitlement, she thinks her family are the selfish ones. And the only one that calls her out. Is the Patrick Schwarzenegger brother where he goes, "Dad, she always fucking gets what she wants. Everything she wants, she always gets." Right? And then everybody goes, "Oh, you're just being like a snobby little wasp who just talks a lot of shit." No, no, no. That motherfucker knows exactly what that sister is. She might be the most manipulative in the whole family. And the fact that she doesn't even know it.

• 1:50:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, she shows up at the temple being like, "Yeah, I'm just gonna talk to the head monk." And the guy's like, "Yeah, you have to make an appointment."

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then she's like shocked. She's like, "What do you mean? Okay, I guess I'll take two." Ooh.

• 1:50:29Speaker 05

  That's interesting.

• 1:50:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is the, this is like that guy, the storyteller is like a real brilliant fucking guy.

• 1:50:36Speaker 07

  My one gripe with this scene where the brothers kiss, by the way, my one gripe.

• 1:50:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:40Speaker 07

  Gives MDMA a bad rap.

• 1:50:42Speaker 03

  Oh, because they're all Molly?

• 1:50:43Speaker 05

  They don't know. Well, I don't think we know it.

• 1:50:44Speaker 07

  They're on a pill.

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 1:50:46Speaker 07

  That everything feels awesome.

• 1:50:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:48Speaker 05

  No, the brother's not, the douchebag brother's not into it. He's just like, if you look at him afterward, he's Miles. He's just like disturbed.

• 1:50:55Speaker 07

  He also has a face turn in this where he's like, "Yo, we don't do drugs. Like, why are you taking drugs?" He tells the younger brother, he's like, "Don't do drugs."

• 1:51:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:01Speaker 07

  And he's like, "Oh, fuck it, whatever."

• 1:51:02Speaker 05

  And he tells him like, "Go out there," and you, they kind of paint him as like a, you would think almost a little like, be with the way he treats women, but he's like, "Just go out there, get rejected, dude. Just go shoot your shot." It's not, it's not like, "Hey, if they say no, it doesn't matter."

• 1:51:14Speaker 03

  This is ballsy TV creation. Like, I think a lot of times people are going into like creating a show, they're like, "How can we make him likable? How can we do it?" And it's, "No, no, no, fuck with me. Do what they did in Game of Thrones." You like Jaime Lannister? He's a piece of shit. When you like him again, no, he's the worst human being ever. Then you like him again. Fuck with my emotions a little bit. Make me fall in love with the character and then break my heart.

• 1:51:35Speaker 05

  And it's more accurate. We are all good and bad. Nobody's pure good, nobody's pure bad.

• 1:51:40Speaker 03

  And when we don't know what to expect, we keep watching.

• 1:51:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:43Speaker 03

  Stop creating things that we already know what to expect because you think it won't fail. That fails every single time.

• 1:51:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:49Speaker 03

  Fuck with me. And I like, at least the first few episodes, they're building up this girl to be like the only innocent one in the family, and I'm just looking at her like, "What the fuck is going on here?" And then she goes, "Don't, don't, don't tell, don't tell him, but that's, I'm actually gonna stay here for a year."

• 1:52:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 03

  And then what is the first thing the younger brother goes, but what about me?

• 1:52:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:52:08Speaker 03

  They're all selfish pieces of shit.

• 1:52:11Speaker 07

  Yeah. Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. You saw that metaphor?

• 1:52:14Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:52:14Speaker 07

  At the very beginning scene, when you first see them all coming out on the boat, she has the headphones on.

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:52:20Speaker 07

  And the brother has the glasses on.

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  Love it.

• 1:52:21Speaker 07

  And the other brother's drinking a beer. So like they represent like the three monkeys.

• 1:52:25Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, I saw it on Reddit. I was like, oh, that's really clever. But I know multiple people that won't do MDMA because they're like, oh, it makes you gay. And I was like, no, it doesn't. And then this comes out, I'm like.

• 1:52:35Speaker 03

  Well, if you're gay, it does.

• 1:52:37Speaker 05

  Are we more than the gay or the incest? You can't, you feel like.

• 1:52:42Speaker 07

  Well, this is. That's the thing. I brought this up to my wife. She was like, yeah, that's so weird. I was like, I completely agree. But also if it was hot twins, we'd be like, pretty chill.

• 1:52:50Speaker 05

  No, that's.

• 1:52:50Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  Girls?

• 1:52:52Speaker 07

  Wait, girls?

• 1:52:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:53Speaker 07

  Oh, okay. You gotta specify. Yeah, this is my point. If it's two hot girl twins, people would be like, pretty chill.

• 1:52:59Speaker 03

  I've told you guys this, right? When I dated those, one of the girls was a twin. And I was like, have you guys ever, you know, done like a threesome? And they were like, that's incest. And I was like, for y'all.

• 1:53:12Speaker 03

  But yeah, I know. So I guess, yeah. I guess they're like doing the kiss shit. It is weird. It's weird that the brother was like looking at him. Like that scene wouldn't be as weird if the brother wasn't gazing into Patrick Schwarzenegger's ass.

• 1:53:26Speaker 05

  Creepy because this brother's into it.

• 1:53:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:28Speaker 05

  And then goes back. Like they just needed to kiss. And then they're like, well, that's not enough. So they do a little more and then he does it and then goes back again.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. See that? And then I think he goes back again.

• 1:53:40Speaker 07

  Oh, gosh, won't look. Just look at it, dude.

• 1:53:43Speaker 05

  I did, eh, eh, eh.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  I'll tell you what, that British girl is so endearing.

• 1:53:48Speaker 05

  Oh, she's awesome.

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:53:50Speaker 05

  She seems like the pure character on the show.

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  And I'm waiting to see what happens.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  The teeth.

• 1:53:56Speaker 07

  Oh, okay.

• 1:53:57Speaker 03

  It's funny. She did a, she was talking about, she's been an actress for a while and she's a successful, I guess, actress in theater and stuff like that in England. And she's like, I just can't get cast as American roles. Like I never get cast as American and it's just because of the teeth. And then she's like, I played one in a theater. production and people will come up to me like that was actually really brilliant. You're great, but like none of us believe you're an American. Simply because of their teeth.

• 1:54:22Speaker 07

  Damn.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  But it is true. Like if if your teeth look like that in America, you would get braces. Especially if you're a pretty girl like her.

• 1:54:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:54:28Speaker 03

  Everybody would just go, why don't you just fix that one thing we all fix? And then you'll be like the hottest girl ever.

• 1:54:33Speaker 07

  But now I feel like she's gonna be way more castable. Like after this, I feel like, oh yeah, we want her because of that.

• 1:54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:38Speaker 07

  Like she stands out so much.

• 1:54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:39Speaker 07

  Brave.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, brave.

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  Facts. I'm curious about her relationship with Walton Goggins. Why are they together? What does she get out of this? It's not like she can't find another guy who's a piece of shit. Why is she saying that they're soulmates?

• 1:54:53Speaker 07

  It seems like she wants to fix him.

• 1:54:54Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, she's the girl who wants to fix the guy.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  So do we really believe that that is her entirety? Or is there something else?

• 1:55:00Speaker 05

  My recollection of White Lotus is they weren't all pieces of shit in the last two seasons. I felt like there were some decent people throughout season. Natasha Rothwell, the black girl.

• 1:55:10Speaker 03

  The black girl. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:55:11Speaker 05

  She seemed in season one and this season, like just a good person.

• 1:55:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Speaker 05

  So they always, there are always people who are just good people.

• 1:55:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:55:18Speaker 05

  So, yeah.

• 1:55:19Speaker 07

  That one kid in the first season that goes off and joins the canoe team.

• 1:55:21Speaker 05

  The only kid that gets a happy ending in the entire series. Yeah.

• 1:55:24Speaker 07

  He goes and joins the canoe team. I'm like, that kid's sick as hell.

• 1:55:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, I like him.

• 1:55:29Speaker 05

  I think that's why this season isn't as hard to watch for me because I now I know what it is. The first season I'm watching and then the end, you're like, well, that sucked.

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Speaker 05

  Nobody's happy. This is all miserable. And then the second season, I was a little more prepared, but got even darker. And this season, I'm like, whatever you're throwing at me, it's gonna be fine.

• 1:55:44Speaker 03

  Now, I will say this. This does not make me want to go to Thailand at all.

• 1:55:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:51Speaker 03

  I don't like, you saw the one in Sicily, you're like, dude, Sicily looks amazing. I gotta go check this shit up. Yeah. The one in Hawaii, I imagine, Malsum. I don't need to go to Thailand at all.

• 1:56:00Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:56:01Mark Gagnon?

  But you're not like a meditative kumbaya motherfucker, so that.

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  But is that the, is that the only reason?

• 1:56:06Speaker 05

  But there is a White Lotus effect with like these places. People start going to it afterward.

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  Like the hotels are so beautiful. You're like, I just need to experience that.

• 1:56:12Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. But the fact, I think the fact that they have to give up their phone, you're like.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  Nah, just like the the natural beauty of it. When they're on the boat.

• 1:56:22Speaker 07

  I think it looks beautiful.

• 1:56:23Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:56:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:56:24Speaker 03

  I don't like jungles, bro.

• 1:56:26Speaker 05

  I'm off that jungle. I'm a beach guy over a jungle guy.

• 1:56:28Speaker 03

  I'm off the jungle.

• 1:56:29Speaker 05

  There's a lot of bugs out there.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  I don't like the forest. I don't like the jungle.

• 1:56:33Speaker 05

  I'm off of that.

• 1:56:34Speaker 08

  It bummed me out that it felt like Bangkok was quite close to this place in the show, correct? Like, it seemed like he got there pretty quick.

• 1:56:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:56:41Speaker 08

  Jamil stayed at this resort and I asked him, I was like, oh, they're pretty close to each other. Like, that'd be so amazing to be able to do both. And he was like, no, they're flights away from each other. It's like, oh, that bums me out because I would like to go to that resort.

• 1:56:51Speaker 05

  Like, how long is a flight? Like 30 minutes or is it five hours?

• 1:56:54Speaker 08

  Like an hour or two.

• 1:56:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:56:57Speaker 08

  But I thought it was like you could go there for like.

• 1:56:59Speaker 07

  You have to fly to Bangkok anyway, I'm sure.

• 1:57:01Speaker 08

  Yeah. I just thought they were close.

• 1:57:03Mark Gagnon?

  I thought this was shot in like multiple different resorts and they make it look like.

• 1:57:07Speaker 05

  No, it's always shot at the Four Seasons, I think.

• 1:57:09Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, really? It's just one.

• 1:57:10Speaker 05

  All three seasons are shot at the Four Seasons. So Four Seasons Sicily, when we went, was completely sold out because of the show.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  I just don't know if it'll have that same impact in Thailand.

• 1:57:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think it will.

• 1:57:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. That jungle shit is overrated.

• 1:57:24Speaker 05

  I think the three. I mean, Thailand's a developing country. I went there, I went to Phuket, but it was like, oh, this feels like India. Like, three people on a scooter and like the roads look kind of like dirt roads.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  It's a snake show, I don't need to see snakes.

• 1:57:36Speaker 07

  No, I'll go to a snake show, that shit's fire.

• 1:57:38Speaker 03

  You, the demon.

• 1:57:39Speaker 07

  I would go, I would pull up, just go see him tame the demons, bro.

• 1:57:43Mark Gagnon?

  The love interest of the little security guard guy, I'll get some passport.

• 1:57:47Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:49Mark Gagnon?

  Some passport.

• 1:57:50Speaker 03

  She is so beautiful.

• 1:57:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, she's mega famous.

• 1:57:55Speaker 03

  She was in Blackpink.

• 1:57:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:56Speaker 03

  The K-pop band.

• 1:57:58Speaker 05

  She's still doing it.

• 1:57:59Speaker 03

  Killing it.

• 1:58:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  But she is like, okay, so here's something my wife told me. You know that show Emily in Paris? Yeah. So years ago, I think like a few seasons ago, there was a storyline in the Emily in Paris show where the heir to the LVMH throne, they don't call it LVMH in the show, but that's what they're alluding to, is dating this like Asian K-pop star.

• 1:58:25Speaker 03

  That girl in real life is dating the heir to the LVMH. And that happened years after, like, I don't even think they could have been privy to it.

• 1:58:33Speaker 07

  Life imitating art type.

• 1:58:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, wow.

• 1:58:35Speaker 07

  Right? Oh, that's wild.

• 1:58:37Speaker 03

  Kind of weird. Or were they dating on the low for years and then?

• 1:58:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, they might have had a scoop or something. That's wild.

• 1:58:44Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:58:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:58:45Speaker 03

  But yeah, she's so pretty and she's not, she's not like, um, like everything that you would think about like traditional beauty where like angles in the face and all this other stuff is not her at all. Like when you describe her, her face is like soft.

• 1:58:59Mark Gagnon?

  But she's very symmetrical.

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  Like it's symmetrical, of course, of course, but like the other girl, the model girl on the show who's obviously stunning, the girl from Quebec or whatever like that.

• 1:59:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  The, the dates, uh, Gary or Greg or whatever his name is, like she's traditionally beautiful.

• 1:59:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:16Speaker 03

  But that fucking Korean chick, holy shit.

• 1:59:19Speaker 05

  Peace.

• 1:59:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean.

• 1:59:20Mark Gagnon?

  I think she's.

• 1:59:21Speaker 03

  And also the guy, the guy that she's dating is so endearing. Like, love this guy.

• 1:59:26Speaker 05

  So sweet.

• 1:59:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:28Speaker 07

  But I think, I think he's evil.

• 1:59:29Speaker 03

  There's gotta be some shit. It's gotta be a turn. We like him too much.

• 1:59:32Speaker 07

  No, I think he's evil.

• 1:59:32Speaker 05

  I just think he's gonna die tragically or whatever.

• 1:59:34Speaker 03

  And then break all of our hearts?

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, that's what I. I think she's evil. Yeah, I think she's kind of stringing him along.

• 1:59:40Speaker 07

  One of them is evil for sure.

• 1:59:41Mark Gagnon?

  No, no. Wait, this is her?

• 1:59:42Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. She's, uh.

• 1:59:43Mark Gagnon?

  She looks different.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  She looks a little different. Yeah.

• 1:59:45Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, it's not as, uh.

• 1:59:47Speaker 05

  No, this is, this is, is this Lisa?

• 1:59:51Mark Gagnon?

  Damn.

• 1:59:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59:52Mark Gagnon?

  They really do all look alike.

• 1:59:54Speaker 05

  God damn, dog.

• 1:59:55Speaker 03

  We ain't even tried to do it.

• 1:59:56Speaker 05

  Come on, Joey, what you doing, Minnesota?

• 1:59:58Speaker 03

  Come on, Joey.

• 1:59:58Speaker 05

  That's her.

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 2:00:00Mark Gagnon?

  Okay, this is better.

• 2:00:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:03Speaker 05

  This is better.

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, click that one right there that you should, no, no, the other one, go back, go back, go back. All right, that one right there, right there, that one. No, no, no, top, top, right.

• 2:00:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's the one he clicked.

• 2:00:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, that's. And it was like on the screen when you said, not now.

• 2:00:18Speaker 03

  I don't know what I'm thinking about.

• 2:00:20Speaker 07

  He got, he got spun up.

• 2:00:21Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:21Speaker 07

  I, I think the three, the three moms, the MILFs, I think they die.

• 2:00:25Mark Gagnon?

  I hope they do.

• 2:00:26Speaker 07

  Oh, they're all moms? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I, I think they die.

• 2:00:29Speaker 03

  One of them is.

• 2:00:30Speaker 05

  Happy ending.

• 2:00:32Speaker 07

  The foreshadow is that they're all walking down the street and they all got water guns and all the water guns are shooting them. And they're all getting sprayed with the water guns when they're walking down the street of whatever that main street is. And I think that's foreshadowing for all of them being shot.

• 2:00:45Speaker 03

  I mean, did you see the shots fired at Austin? It's like a whole episode dedicated to shitting on Austin.

• 2:00:52Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of hilarious.

• 2:00:55Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I didn't know. I just didn't.

• 2:00:58Speaker 03

  This is how influential Joe Rogan is. The only reason that girl moved to Austin in the show is because of Joe Rogan.

• 2:01:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, probably.

• 2:01:06Speaker 03

  I've never heard the word Austin even brought up on TV, film, news before Joe moved there.

• 2:01:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:01:12Speaker 03

  Like the fat go.

• 2:01:13Speaker 07

  I think when COVID happened, that LA crop, there was like a huge chunk of them that went to Austin. Like Joe included, I think he kind of led the way, but there was just a ton of other LA people that were like, oh, this is like a liberal city nearby, like, so a lot of them went.

• 2:01:26Speaker 03

  And then she's like the example of the LA girl that moves to Austin and then adopts the local culture.

• 2:01:31Speaker 07

  And Mike White is so good at picking up on like subtle nuance that he's like, oh, this is the perfect thread.

• 2:01:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's great.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, yeah, yeah, her like.

• 2:01:40Mark Gagnon?

  And when they axed her, did you vote for Trump and she went there?

• 2:01:41Speaker 03

  And she's like, are we really gonna talk about politics? But also it taps into that like coastal elitism too, like how could you be around them?

• 2:01:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:01:52Speaker 03

  It's just so classic, like liberal woman, liberal rich woman from the coast. How do you, what do you even talk to them about? Like just so removed from like reality. The same thing you would talk to her about for the last two days. You guys have been talking.

• 2:02:09Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens. I'm gripped. I'm fully in. They got it. All right. What else we got, guys? This UMG Drake thing?

• 2:02:19Mark Gagnon?

  Oh.

• 2:02:20Speaker 03

  What's like, what a, what's going on here?

• 2:02:23Mark Gagnon?

  I feel UMG listened to what everybody was saying online and just put it in legal terms.

• 2:02:31Mark Gagnon?

  They really just called out Drake for all the hypocrisy and just, um, so the history of it, we all know Drake assumed UMG, um, they came back and they're like, hey, you're just salty that you lost this rap battle. And we, and oh, actually Drake is saying that they're putting him in his safety.

• 2:02:51Speaker 05

  But they basically said like, you lost a battle. You, you always pretend to be unbothered. This clearly bothers you a lot. It was a battle you provoked.

• 2:02:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:59Speaker 05

  Also, you accused him, if you're worried about defamation of character, before he said anything about you with kids, not only did you talk about him being a child, uh, or abusing his girl, you also invited him to talk about this in the Taylor Made freestyle when he's like, talk about it with underage girls. That's a gift from Joe Button or whatever.

• 2:03:18Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:18Speaker 05

  That's you talking, saying, hey, why don't you talk about this? So you're inviting him to talk about it. He talks about it and now he's putting your safety in danger.

• 2:03:26Speaker 03

  Has Drake ever spoken about his justification for this lawsuit?

• 2:03:30Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:03:31Speaker 03

  Like, nobody's asked him about it?

• 2:03:33Speaker 05

  I mean, I'm sure people have asked him. He's not, Drake's a guy that has platforms that if he wants to use, he can.

• 2:03:38Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he's not talking about it publicly at all.

• 2:03:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:41Mark Gagnon?

  And it's funny that he's doing the thing that they accuse him of doing, the rapper who acts unbothered, but then behind the scenes, you're doing this shit.

• 2:03:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:03:49Speaker 05

  And it's very like.

• 2:03:50Mark Gagnon?

  It's very petty. They're quoting his lines and shit like that. Like it's really funny the way they came back.

• 2:03:57Speaker 03

  So if he drops this, I mean, it's just, is it a massive L? Do we just move on? Does anybody care?

• 2:04:03Speaker 07

  They can never make me hate Drake.

• 2:04:04Speaker 03

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:04:05Speaker 07

  They're trying to make me hate Drake, bro. It's never gonna work.

• 2:04:07Speaker 05

  They said he signed a public petition that criticized prosecutors using lyrics against artists. So like, you signed a petition saying you shouldn't be able to use an artist's lyrics against them. They're just lyrics. And now you're suing us for this.

• 2:04:20Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah, again, it's, it's.

• 2:04:21Speaker 03

  Well, I think that the lawsuit says that they were specifically inflating and promoting the song.

• 2:04:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:04:31Speaker 03

  Which had the inflammatory lyrics, but I don't think the lawsuit is about the inflammatory lyrics. I think it's about the inflation of the song.

• 2:04:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I think he is saying the lyrics specifically is what is putting his health or his safety at risk.

• 2:04:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:04:44Speaker 05

  He's not saying UMG promoting the stream. You are promoting the song, which will bring violence toward me. Look at the lyrics of the song. Calls me a child molester.

• 2:04:50Speaker 03

  Right. But again, just so we understand what we're saying here, he's not saying you put out a song that has these lyrics. It's you are inflating it.

• 2:05:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:01Speaker 03

  Over normal amounts.

• 2:05:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  So I, I think it's about the inflation, not the lyrics.

• 2:05:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:06Speaker 03

  But the inflation, the, the manufacturing of that inflation could add harm. So if you up it 20%, now you've increased 20% of the harm. So I'm suing you for that 20%, not what the lyrics are there.

• 2:05:18Speaker 05

  And I think this is why.

• 2:05:19Speaker 03

  But do you understand?

• 2:05:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. And I think this is why United has to find a different way, I'm sorry, UMG has to find a different way to go at him because I think the only thing they could say is we do this for every artist. We've done this for you. But they can't say that because then that blows up their business model.

• 2:05:32Speaker 03

  The business model.

• 2:05:33Speaker 05

  So they have to find, hey, just dismiss this case with prejudice.

• 2:05:36Speaker 03

  So that's a good point. Yes. So kind of Drake is, Drake's calling out the business in a way where the business has to acknowledge that they do do this.

• 2:05:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. And now he was the beneficiary.

• 2:05:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:50Speaker 03

  But I guess he's also saying, if all things are fair, I'll still beat all these motherfuckers.

• 2:05:55Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm. So I think that was his goal. His goal is just to blow this whole shit up. Like, let's take the curtain down and let's just.

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  Because if the curtain, if the curtain's down, he's still going to beat them. Maybe they all get 30% less, but he still beats them.

• 2:06:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:06:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. But there are other people that might be the beneficiaries of that inflation more than him. And others, like, again, we're talking about this on Brilliant Idiots, but like, there are a lot of people that can get like a number one album for a week or a number one song for a week. And then the next week, the streams die.

• 2:06:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  I think.

• 2:06:34Speaker 03

  Was Russ saying that on the pod? Yeah, I think he was. He's like, so basically you can buy a number one and then the next week, nobody really knows about it. Yeah, but you want number one, that's all that matters. Hundred percent.

• 2:06:43Speaker 05

  And you go on number one, might make people listen to it. Well, the song's number one, let's listen to it.

• 2:06:47Speaker 03

  But and then, exactly, so you can manufacture it and then that manufactured number one can potentially turn into a legit number one, or it cannot.

• 2:06:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  And yeah, but maybe he's like, I'd rather be on a level playing field with everybody because I'm still gonna fuck these people up. Yeah. So he's just showing everyone's cards, pulling the curtain down from everything and just being like, yo, this is how the business works. But the business might be more helpful to these other artists than Drake.

• 2:07:12Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 2:07:12Speaker 03

  So he's like, all right, let's tear this whole shit down. I'm gonna be the one that wins in the end. I'm assuming that's the case if he's willing to go at the label. That's interesting. So they haven't dropped the lawsuit. This is just UMG continuing to try to protect themselves.

• 2:07:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, because they can't be honest. They can't be honest and say, this helps everybody that we've covered, including you. Which should make Drake look a little bad, but it also like, this is our business model, so we have to protect that.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they're basically admitting that they can inflate a song and make it bigger than it actually is. So now, whoa, if he wins this, some people go, yeah, but it worked for you too. He goes, yeah, okay, it worked for me. But they admitted they made it bigger than it was supposed to be. And my songs that I released weren't made bigger than they were supposed to be because I didn't release them through UMG or whatever the fuck it is. So then, this could work out for Drake still.

• 2:08:01Speaker 05

  I don't know, because I think.

• 2:08:02Speaker 03

  Legally.

• 2:08:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:08:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, legally, I don't think the public opinion's gonna really care. I don't, if, if UMG has to come out and say, yeah, we inflated it by 50%, I think that, now the song is an absolute banger.

• 2:08:12Speaker 05

  That's the thing.

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  A hundred percent, but if you're a Drake fan, you go, oh shit, the only reason it was like that is because they inflated by 50%. Drake fans. I already believe that.

• 2:08:22Speaker 05

  Drake fans have not been topped out of anything.

• 2:08:25Speaker 03

  What's this billboard thing about billboard is changing the way that they, uh, that they count sales? Have you guys seen this?

• 2:08:34Speaker 05

  Academics posted something. I forget what it was. I could try to find it.

• 2:08:38Speaker 03

  What, now they're like including streams in a different way? Yeah, or they're counting them in a different way. And if they've showed that you are using bots. Then they will suspend your account for 12 months or whatever the fuck it is.

• 2:08:49Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 2:08:50Speaker 03

  But it's billboards acknowledgement that bots are being used.

• 2:08:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:08:54Speaker 03

  You don't put out a precautionary measure.

• 2:08:57Speaker 05

  Sold via an artist label or other official website must now be redeemed in order to be chart eligible. In addition, verification using H CAPTCHA is now required to prevent bots.

• 2:09:08Speaker 03

  So H CAPTCHA is that thing where you have to type in the code to prove you're a real person. So how do you do that for every single stream? Every time I play a song, I gotta do an H CAPTCHA?

• 2:09:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, the minimum prices of albums increasing at all retailers, 7.99 for CD, 7.99 for cassette, 15 for vinyl.

• 2:09:25Speaker 07

  Is it for like buying albums?

• 2:09:27Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, and I think they said if you drop it on like another site, like outside of the streamers or something like that, you know how Kanye dropping his music and stuff like that on his own website?

• 2:09:36Speaker 03

  So those could be more easily manipulated.

• 2:09:37Speaker 05

  Any D2C store with three submissions of illegitimate data within a 12-month period may receive a minimum 90-day reporting suspension.

• 2:09:44Speaker 03

  So direct to consumer, is that when you're selling merch with your album? Like, is that the bundle stuff?

• 2:09:50Mark Gagnon?

  Uh, that or if you're selling it on your own site.

• 2:09:53Speaker 07

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 2:09:54Speaker 03

  Wow, so they're basically acknowledging that their formula or algorithm has been manipulated.

• 2:10:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:10:03Speaker 03

  And, whoa.

• 2:10:05Speaker 07

  Which everyone kind of knew, but it was never really confirmed by any of the big, like leaderboards.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, people said this a lot about, I mean, not to, not to show Travis, obviously he's a megastar, but they're like, if you're selling a bundle with the album, it's gonna make the sales look this big, when in reality there are people that are buying merch or they're buying these other artifacts that have to do with the album, which I don't think should reflect poorly on Travis, because it just means his fans really wanna consume his stuff, but those same people that are consuming on Spotify might also buy the album over here just to get access. So now you have the same person that's buying twice. You don't get a real idea of like how many people are consuming the music.

• 2:10:48Speaker 05

  That's where I don't think this is gonna be a win for Drake, because exactly what you said about Travis, I don't think that will, should affect the way we look at Travis. I don't think it will affect the way we look at the artist. It's what you always say, it's how do we feel? I think we generally feel Not Like Us was an absolute fucking smash, and Hard Part 6 was just like a big L, and that's just what it is.

• 2:11:07Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:11:08Speaker 05

  Numbers can be numbers.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  I, I agree with you, but I do think that like-

• 2:11:13Speaker 03

  I'll bring this back into the, the special that we just put out. So we were in, we're like top two for the first week and then we've been in top 10 for the second week. Now Netflix telling me, all these people telling me, agents telling me that like usually specials don't stay in the top 10 for that long. They don't even stay for the week, let alone be in there for a second week. It's like very rare. So to me, what I see that as like, okay, we could do great promotion. We did a sick video with Matt Damon shout out. We could get the first day, tons of people to watch and usually there's just this falloff. To have a second week, it means people are telling other people to watch it.

• 2:11:53Speaker 03

  That's the only way it can go. Obviously I'm doing promo, I'm doing these press, these interviews are coming out, more people are hearing it, absolutely. But at the end of the day, it's like, are people enjoying it and are other people consuming it? Right? So I think there is something to like that longevity with the consumption. And I do compare that to what Russ was saying about music where it's like day one, big hit. And then next week, not a single.

• 2:12:17Speaker 07

  This happens with podcasts. Someone will launch a new podcast, it goes number one for a couple of days and then it drops off.

• 2:12:21Speaker 03

  And then it's not, it's like, they go, okay, I got the number one podcast.

• 2:12:24Speaker 07

  Rogan and then Rogan will come back up a week later.

• 2:12:26Speaker 03

  When it's, so it's not actually that. So I think this is billboard trying to adjust for like, to have a more accurate understanding of how many people are really consuming because really intelligent record companies and artists have found a way to kind of like trick it to make it look like this big success, when it really is not. Travis is going to be a huge success no matter what. We've seen him perform in fucking Rome for like all of Italy, it looked like. It's not going to be Travis, but there might be another artist like, I don't know, what's her, like Megan Thee Stallion or something. Pop for like a day and then nobody listens to the album after that. And then you go, wait, aren't people listening? Like what, what exactly is happening here? And I think it is on billboard to tell us if people are listening or not.

• 2:13:07Speaker 07

  Also someone that's a huge mega star still would benefit from this because they're going against other mega stars.

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:11Speaker 07

  You know what I mean? So like someone like Travis or Meg or some other type of massive celebrity is going against Taylor. Or going against some other type of ultimate mega star that they need to, you know, they would benefit from like a little sweetener.

• 2:13:22Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:13:23Speaker 08

  It's also reining in from what I've read, what artists can do. So like they can't, they can't release more than four different types of the album. Deluxe version, regular album, blank, even like they're potentially before releasing 10 different albums, different songs.

• 2:13:36Speaker 03

  Cause your super fans are gonna buy it 10 different times.

• 2:13:38Speaker 08

  Yeah. And you can only change the cover like a few times. Like it's sort of consolidating what artists are able to do.

• 2:13:45Speaker 03

  It allows a artist that's not as famous or not as successful to have a fighting chance. And right now they don't. Like if you're a super big, or if Taylor's dropping the same day as like indie rock artists, indie rock artists have no fucking chance. Because even if people don't like Taylor's album, her label can just buy the fucking streams and guarantee her the number one. So it, to me, it's cooler that like an indie rock artist with an amazing album that people are like really fucking with, has a chance to knock out one of these big time acts. Like, that's fire. Yeah.

• 2:14:16Mark Gagnon?

  But is it doing anything to the streamers where it's like they can buy the bots on Spotify or Apple or any of those places? Like, is it preventing that in any way?

• 2:14:26Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know enough to tell you. I assume, but maybe not. Maybe it's just on these like, what, third party sites or whatever?

• 2:14:32Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Cause that would be worse for the indies.

• 2:14:36Speaker 03

  Then they'd be completely screwed. It is, it is peculiar that they would do it. I don't know if Billboard is owned by these big streamers, but it's in the best interests of the record labels who own a piece of the streamers to control that market as much as they possibly can. They want to be able to turn it up on their artists and they want to be able to kind of ignore the ones that they're not signed to, or they don't have signed to them. So it does seem like it's kind of democratizing the way that we review how much music has been consumed, which is not in the best interests of UMG. And if UMG and these other big streamers own, big companies own parts of Spotify, that's not in their best interest either. Like you want to create the illusion if you need to. Hopefully

• 2:15:20Speaker 03

  you don't have to, but you want to if you need to. Cause they've got so much money invested in them.

• 2:15:24Speaker 07

  Can't they just ask Spotify, be like, yo, are 50% of the streams coming from India? You know what I mean? Like, couldn't they just look at the back and be like, yeah, you're getting all your streams from India. It's probably bots. Couldn't Spotify just cut that shit out?

• 2:15:34Mark Gagnon?

  I think Spotify came out not too long ago.

• 2:15:36Speaker 03

  Spotify's getting paid by the, sorry to interrupt, but like Spotify's getting paid per stream. So if the record label wants to spend money streaming them. Spotify is getting paid. They're not gonna be like, please don't give us your money. They're in the business of people streaming the music. So whether it's a bot or not, they're getting their three cents or, you know, fraction of a penny or whatever it is per stream. So why would they say no to it? As long as they're getting paid every single time.

• 2:15:59Speaker 07

  But are they getting the same money if it's just a bot?

• 2:16:01Speaker 03

  They have to be.

• 2:16:03Speaker 07

  Like, how does it work? Like, subscription ads, stuff like that?

• 2:16:06Speaker 03

  No, I think every time a song gets played, they have to pay a certain amount of money to Spotify. Or no, they have to, they have to, Spotify has to pay a certain amount of money to the record label.

• 2:16:19Speaker 07

  That's what I thought, yeah. That Spotify's hosting is they're licensing it from the label, so they have to pay the label. So in my mind, Spotify would be like, yeah, we're not getting any money from these subscriptions from some random house and.

• 2:16:30Speaker 03

  So they should, if anything, it's costing them more for, to have bots. So they should wanna get rid of bots.

• 2:16:34Mark Gagnon?

  I think they are cracking down on bots. Like, I'm pretty sure I saw this a couple of months ago where Spotify is like, oh, if, like, eighty percent of your streams are coming in bots, we're gonna start penalizing you. Like, they, they know what's going on and they're like, now they're trying to cap it. We'll still let you do it, but just not so aggressively as you've been doing it. Could you look that up, Joey, to see?

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  Cause every single one of those bots doesn't have a Spotify account that they're spending money monthly on, right? A lot of them are probably listening on like the free version where you gotta have ads. And if, if the advertisers find out that a large percentage of the people consuming music on Spotify aren't even real, they'll reduce their, what is it, per click?

• 2:17:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:17:15Speaker 03

  Spend.

• 2:17:16Speaker 07

  Well, I think Indians are real people, but it does, it does, like, it's just some Sri Lankan dude, like, listening to like music all day, listening to ads and shit.

• 2:17:22Speaker 03

  Well, is it even him or does he have like a farm?

• 2:17:25Speaker 07

  Yeah, probably a farm where it's a thousand phones and they all like, you've seen those, the farms, right? It's just phones across the whole wall.

• 2:17:30Speaker 03

  So if you're spending for a million streams, or you're spending for a million people to watch your advertisement on Spotify, and then you find out two hundred fifty thousand of those people are just one guy in Sri Lanka with a lot of phones, or a handful of these people, you're like, alright, well, I'm only gonna spend seven hundred fifty thousand, cause two hundred fifty is, now twenty-five percent of your revenue is out the door. You gotta clean that bot shit up.

• 2:17:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 2:17:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:17:54Speaker 03

  So this might work out. Maybe it doesn't change the way that we see Drake. It doesn't change what happened in the beef, but maybe it does transform the music industry a little bit.

• 2:18:01Speaker 07

  And if Drake does a halftime show at the, at the World Cup?

• 2:18:05Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 2:18:05Speaker 07

  Come on, dude.

• 2:18:06Speaker 03

  See you later.

• 2:18:06Speaker 07

  Out of here.

• 2:18:07Speaker 03

  He's back.

• 2:18:08Speaker 07

  Drake is back, bro.

• 2:18:10Speaker 03

  Half the people watching can't even understand what the fuck he's saying.

• 2:18:12Speaker 07

  It doesn't matter, bro. You get what he's saying. You get the energy. You get his sex appeal. You know what I mean? You see the bullet holes in his hoodie. That's all that matters, bro.

• 2:18:19Speaker 03

  That's all that matters.

• 2:18:20Speaker 07

  No, if he, if he does the halftime show at the, at the World Cup, it shuts it down.

• 2:18:24Speaker 03

  Game over.

• 2:18:24Speaker 07

  I'm Team Drake. Before every show, I put on Drake's hardest hits. It's a playlist on Spotify. Drake's hardest, hardest songs.

• 2:18:31Speaker 03

  It just goes crazy.

• 2:18:32Mark Gagnon?

  And you just hear a bunch of singing?

• 2:18:33Speaker 07

  Yeah. It goes crazy, bro. It's only the hardest tracks, bro.

• 2:18:37Speaker 05

  This is God's plan.

• 2:18:38Speaker 07

  It is. That's, that's how I get, it's God's plan, bro. I believe dumb shit. It's God's plan, bro. Manifest destiny.

• 2:18:44Mark Gagnon?

  Nah, Drake's last album, he had a few slappers on it.

• 2:18:46Speaker 07

  It did.

• 2:18:47Mark Gagnon?

  He had a few slappers.

• 2:18:48Speaker 05

  Give me a hug, I like.

• 2:18:49Mark Gagnon?

  That shit is crazy. Give me hugs, fire.

• 2:18:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:18:51Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah. Baby, baby girl. That shit goes crazy in the club.

• 2:18:56Speaker 03

  Um, all right. Well, what do we got, guys? Before we get out of here, let's do one more thing.

• 2:18:59Speaker 07

  I mean, McGregor pulled up on Trump, Pete, though.

• 2:19:02Speaker 03

  We still don't have the JFK files. Nobody read 80,000 pages this morning. Can you throw that shit in, in ChatGPT?

• 2:19:07Speaker 05

  That's what I was thinking.

• 2:19:08Speaker 07

  ChatGPT is gonna be like, yeah, it's all redacted.

• 2:19:10Mark Gagnon?

  Yep.

• 2:19:11Speaker 07

  Do we believe that? I don't think they're gonna put anything out.

• 2:19:13Speaker 05

  They're not.

• 2:19:14Speaker 07

  I don't think they ever will. And if it does come out, I think it's gonna be a political weapon against the people they want.

• 2:19:18Speaker 05

  Dog shit, there's gonna be just as dog.

• 2:19:19Speaker 07

  They're gonna be like, Iran killed JFK. We gotta go, go, get oil.

• 2:19:23Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 2:19:23Speaker 07

  You know what I mean?

• 2:19:24Mark Gagnon?

  Probably. They're smart, man. They're the best at politics. Make a claim that they're not gonna do. Half ass it and say, and they could be like, look, see, we did it.

• 2:19:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:34Mark Gagnon?

  But the public really didn't get it.

• 2:19:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:19:36Mark Gagnon?

  But I voted for the guy who said he was gonna release that shit. And he released it.

• 2:19:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think a lot of files are burned and shit like.

• 2:19:42Speaker 05

  I think you learn from build the wall. That was too much. That was like, that's like, I have to build the thing.

• 2:19:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:19:48Speaker 05

  But there's like, it'd be like, I'm gonna release the files. I released them. They're not, they're redacted. You can't read them, but they're out there.

• 2:19:53Speaker 07

  Yeah. Like, I've seen one, the, the thing that I think Sager even said, like, they, they redacted stuff that were, that was already probably available.

• 2:20:00Speaker 03

  So there was more shit covered?

• 2:20:01Speaker 07

  So it's like, I don't know. I don't think, I don't think we're gonna know anything that they don't want us to know.

• 2:20:05Speaker 05

  Hear how kind of like. Skeptical or like kind of down on this this first part of Trump's term that Sodder was.

• 2:20:12Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 2:20:13Speaker 05

  He was, you remember, he was just like, I don't like what's happening. I don't like the power Elon has. I don't think this bodes well for Trump and his legacy. Like, it was interesting to hear that from a staunch conservative. They're like, I'm not very happy with this administration right now.

• 2:20:25Speaker 03

  Is that what you got from the convo?

• 2:20:26Speaker 05

  That's what I got from the convo. I should have been listening.

• 2:20:30Speaker 05

  I didn't get that. He was criticizing Elon. He was criticizing. Y'all didn't hear that?

• 2:20:34Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he was criticizing Elon, not too much Trump.

• 2:20:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, but he was just like, the first hundred days defines a presidency. Right now, it's getting dominated by this. This is the story. And that is incredibly important for Trump's legacy. And if he keeps letting Elon dominate the headlines instead of the other things he's doing, that's not going to be good. Like, I'm not very bullish on how this is going to be viewed. And I think he wasn't bullish on a lot of the Dota stuff in general. But like, it was interesting to hear that from a guy who I figured would love what was happening.

• 2:20:58Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:58Speaker 07

  The sense I got was just like hesitant and like, he sees that it's a risky play that could pan out. But he does see the risk that's involved in the strategy.

• 2:21:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I thought he was even more like not that into it than what you're saying.

• 2:21:10Speaker 03

  Now, to be fair, I think that we were kind of like forcing him to give a steel man. And I think that's maybe what you're responding to.

• 2:21:16Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 2:21:17Speaker 07

  You see all the Teslas exploding?

• 2:21:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:20Speaker 05

  Set on fire, right?

• 2:21:21Speaker 03

  Al selling his Tesla.

• 2:21:23Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not going to sell it yet because the resale value is tanking right now, but.

• 2:21:28Speaker 07

  Just rebrand it. Have you seen how people rebrand the Tesla?

• 2:21:30Speaker 05

  But this is terrorism.

• 2:21:32Speaker 03

  This is domestic terrorism.

• 2:21:33Mark Gagnon?

  Tell them, tell them.

• 2:21:34Speaker 03

  Not for real, like, you should lock these motherfuckers up. This is, you can't do this, bro.

• 2:21:38Mark Gagnon?

  Freedom is bitch.

• 2:21:38Speaker 05

  What's the difference between vandalism and terrorism?

• 2:21:41Speaker 03

  If you do it against the guy, like.

• 2:21:45Speaker 05

  That's, I don't know, vandalism might be too mild of a word, but terrorism, I assume people got to be in danger.

• 2:21:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:51Speaker 05

  No people are in danger.

• 2:21:52Mark Gagnon?

  It's somewhere in the.

• 2:21:52Speaker 07

  Tandalism.

• 2:21:53Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. I looked at terrorism as like violence with a political agenda. I think that's the definition of terrorism.

• 2:22:00Speaker 07

  But then is property violence? Like, if no one dies.

• 2:22:03Speaker 03

  Uh, does it need to like?

• 2:22:06Speaker 05

  This is property damage. Mark, Steve, Mark's right.

• 2:22:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess the property damage can't count as terrorism because in Spain, there was a group that would blow up cars and they would make sure that nobody was there, but they would just blow up the cars or like there was a bomb in a building, but they would make sure nobody was there. But the idea was to like stoke this fear and they had a political agenda. So I don't know if anybody needs to get hurt for it to be defined as terrorism. I just think We should look that up, Chuck. I think, but I think it Wasn't that when they were trying to fight Uber? No, no, this is, this is way back in the day. This is when they were fighting Uber. Yeah, this is, this is like, there was a separatist group, I think in like the Basque country or something like that. Yeah. And I wonder even if like the car bombs and shit like that in Ireland were like people in the cars? I think they were targeting people, if I'm not mistaken.

• 2:22:51Speaker 05

  And at some point, that a person will likely be in the car at a car dealership. You know, these cars are empty.

• 2:22:56Speaker 03

  Sure, sure, sure. But that has nothing to do with the political agenda part of it.

• 2:23:01Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no, there's a political agenda. I just don't know if you would call this violence or like even a building where you know people are going to go into or whatever. I just feel like a car that's unsold, that doesn't belong to anyone except Tesla.

• 2:23:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:23:11Speaker 05

  That's on a parking lot. It just seems different.

• 2:23:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it seems like this is

• 2:23:14Speaker 05

  I'm not saying it's legal.

• 2:23:16Speaker 03

  I think we're like splitting hairs on a word, but I think the point that I'm trying to make here is that like, this is an aggressive act of whatever you want to call it. Is this violence? What is this? Terrorism is probably defined as a calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to instill fear and achieve political or ideological goals, often targeting civilians or noncombatants. It's definitely instilling fear. It's absolutely instilling fear, right? And for a political agenda, like they don't like his politics, so they're attacking one of his businesses. This has nothing to do with the quality of the cars. Like this is an American car manufacturer. The people that make Teslas are Americans. A hundred percent of Teslas sold in America are made by Americans in America. You can't say that for Ford. You can't say that for GMC. Can't say that for any other car producer in America, I'm pretty sure. So this is an act of aggression

• 2:24:01Speaker 03

  on American automakers that will lose their jobs if Tesla tanks and cannot sell cars anymore. So you are attacking Americans when you're doing this. So Yeah, I'm a victim of terrorism, bro. You're a victim of terrorism. Big penis they drilled my car scared the shit out of me. But but so for real like to me, I think this is disgusting and it's motivated by political agenda. It's just, I don't agree with this guy's politics, so we're gonna attack his business, which ultimately will hurt Americans. And um, yeah, I just think it's gross. I think it's disgusting. I think it's fucked up.

• 2:24:32Speaker 05

  I don't like it, even though I don't like much of what Elon is doing right now. I don't like this. I will also say, you're not. The second you have Starlink on your wifi on your flight, you're gonna be like, you know what? I'm never giving this up. I'm never giving this up. I'm streaming anything I fucking want on this plane. I could do FaceTime call. It's incredible. You're gonna become, you're gonna use Elon's products whether you want to or not.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  You're using already. You're using PayPal, like you're using, you're using, I mean, if you are pro Ukraine in the war, what do you think the Ukraine government uses for internet access on the battlefield? Starlink, right? So it's just like this idea that you could take this one specific thing about Elon that you don't like, and then use everything else that you really do like and enjoy and makes your life better, but not attribute any of that to Elon at all. It's uh, yeah, it's microscopic, microscopic thinking. Yeah, very.

• 2:25:21Mark Gagnon?

  We are talking about people at the end of the day.

• 2:25:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're right. This is what we do. No, no, you're right. This is what we do and it's just, but I can still be bummed by it.

• 2:25:28Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25:29Speaker 03

  I think it sucks.

• 2:25:30Mark Gagnon?

  I'm bummed by it. This shit sucks. I really fucking like the Cybertruck and this is destroying my whole like just uh, experience of having it. Yeah.

• 2:25:40Speaker 03

  Also, think about this.

• 2:25:41Speaker 07

  Which that is kind of funny. I do find that a little.

• 2:25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, we like that it's happening to you.

• 2:25:45Speaker 07

  When it's happening to you, it's sort of funny.

• 2:25:47Speaker 03

  But here's the thing, and we, we think of everybody that has the Cybertruck and we're just going, oh, look at these like rich, successful people like almost every Uber I get now is a Tesla.

• 2:25:56Speaker 07

  Which is the worst. I, I, ugh.

• 2:25:57Speaker 03

  When, when.

• 2:25:58Speaker 07

  It goes too fast.

• 2:25:59Speaker 03

  When you order the black car and they give you a Tesla, it's a little bit, I think that's egregious. I'll be honest, it's egregious.

• 2:26:05Speaker 07

  It stops and starts too quick.

• 2:26:07Speaker 03

  I'm not worried about that. I ordered a black car. Give me a fucking Cadillac. I don't want to be sitting in this fucking shitty Toyota.

• 2:26:14Mark Gagnon?

  It's like eighty thousand.

• 2:26:16Speaker 03

  Okay, whatever. The point is, the point is, there's some fucking, there's some guy who immigrated to the United States of America legally or illegally, and he's trying to make a living and now he's got a dick drawn on his car and he can't charge Uber black prices. anymore because his shit has been terrorized because of some fucking white bitch from Maine with purple hair is upset at Elon.

• 2:26:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  Like, the people who are actually gonna suffer from this are probably, well, obviously it's Elon, but if you're talking about the actual destroying of the cars, I bet you it's more minorities than anything else.

• 2:26:43Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:43Speaker 03

  I mean, we know one. I'd get to see a white person affected by it.

• 2:26:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:26:47Speaker 03

  So these people, in their efforts, like, push whatever, I don't even call it woke ideology, but like, maybe push back against what he's doing, which you have every right to be suspicious of, right? And it might work horribly, like, it might, people might be really impacted. You don't even realize the people you're attacking to prove your point. To protect those exact same people, you might also be hurting them.

• 2:27:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:27:08Speaker 03

  It's like peak American, I mean, human hypocrisy.

• 2:27:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's like the, the annual protesters that like throw tomatoes on a painting. Like, who's that help? Yeah. Have you seen how people are covering their cars now?

• 2:27:19Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:27:19Speaker 07

  Can you search, like, Tesla, Mazda? And so people are now taking their Tesla emblems off their Teslas and putting different car emblems.

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  But it's still a Tesla.

• 2:27:28Speaker 07

  Exactly. But they actually look really, like, believable.

• 2:27:31Mark Gagnon?

  That's all I gotta do to switch up the Cybertruck?

• 2:27:33Speaker 07

  Dude, people do that with the Cybertruck.

• 2:27:34Mark Gagnon?

  I'll put a Nissan.

• 2:27:36Speaker 07

  People do that, like, so this is a, this is a Tesla, and they put the Mazda thing on it, and they're like, yeah, it's Mazda.

• 2:27:42Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:27:45Speaker 07

  And someone did it with a Cybertruck, they just put a Toyota decal on the back of it to signal to people, like, hey, I'm kinda distancing, like, obviously it's a Cybertruck, but like, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to separate.

• 2:27:54Mark Gagnon?

  I, low-key, it's corny, but I might do that shit.

• 2:27:57Speaker 03

  Separate the art from the artist, bro.

• 2:27:59Mark Gagnon?

  I liked this shit before all this was going on, it's not fair.

• 2:28:03Speaker 03

  And there's a bumper sticker for that. I bought this before Elon went crazy.

• 2:28:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kinda funny.

• 2:28:10Speaker 05

  That's just a rap, you just have to take off your rap and put that one on it.

• 2:28:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:28:13Mark Gagnon?

  I might actually do that, but it's corny, it's like, ah, now I'm giving in to...

• 2:28:18Speaker 03

  Terrorism.

• 2:28:19Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:28:20Speaker 03

  Literally terrorism.

• 2:28:21Speaker 07

  You're negotiating with terrorists.

• 2:28:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:22Mark Gagnon?

  This fucking sucks.

• 2:28:24Speaker 03

  We taking our shoes off at the airport because of terrorists. You gotta put a fucking Audi decal on your car because of terrorism.

• 2:28:30Mark Gagnon?

  Hmm.

• 2:28:30Speaker 03

  It's fucked up.

• 2:28:31Speaker 07

  Does look sick, though.

• 2:28:32Speaker 03

  Honestly, it looks better.

• 2:28:33Speaker 07

  It looks kinda fire.

• 2:28:34Speaker 03

  It looks better.

• 2:28:35Speaker 07

  Right?

• 2:28:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:28:36Speaker 07

  That Audi logo slaps, dude, I don't know, that shit is hard.

• 2:28:39Speaker 03

  They make a great car, like, let's stop acting like it's not a great fucking car, and making the car has nothing to do with what he's doing in government. If you don't like Doge, go protest the Doge shit.

• 2:28:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:28:49Speaker 03

  But that is, uh, ineffective, so you have to hit him somewhere else.

• 2:28:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, Elon needs to shut up and invent.

• 2:28:55Speaker 03

  And there's no

• 2:28:56Speaker 05

  Shut up and dribble, but do that for you being a billionaire genius.

• 2:29:00Mark Gagnon?

  And there's no Doge office where you can go to and complain to somebody like

• 2:29:03Speaker 05

  So you have to go to Tesla dealership and you're lighting it on fire.

• 2:29:05Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:06Speaker 05

  That shit is so whack, bro. That shit is so whack.

• 2:29:09Speaker 08

  The only steel man argument I can find online, I've been using shaft GPT and shit, try to find one is that they're saying it could be framed as the, is the Boston Tea Party vandalism or was it terrorism or was it revolution?

• 2:29:23Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 2:29:24Speaker 08

  And I was like,

• 2:29:25Speaker 05

  No, I like this. This is good. Let's, let's talk it out.

• 2:29:27Speaker 08

  Oh. That's kind of nice.

• 2:29:29Speaker 05

  Well, tea was, oh yeah, I guess it was hurting the government specifically, not, I guess, yeah, I guess it's hurting Elon's pockets and he's in the government.

• 2:29:38Speaker 03

  Well, the tea was, there were private,

• 2:29:41Speaker 08

  East India Trading Company.

• 2:29:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is a private company.

• 2:29:44Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 2:29:45Speaker 03

  Publicly traded. But no, so it was a publicly traded company. They're attacking, just like Tesla is. So they're attacking that. And then the idea was is the East India Trading Company would hope that England would protect their business interests in America because England was the beneficiary with that tax revenue. So yeah, this is exactly what they're doing. So they better hope they're right. I mean, what does that say? Like the difference between like terrorism and revolutionary is the, the victor?

• 2:30:13Speaker 08

  Yeah, terrorist and freedom fighter.

• 2:30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. So yeah, we'll see what happens.

• 2:30:17Speaker 08

  Difference with this is burning a car could affect a lot of people. You could catch a large fire. There's like, throwing tea overboard doesn't affect people possibly.

• 2:30:25Speaker 05

  Also, they're not just doing it to Tesla dealerships. They're doing it to owners of Teslas as well.

• 2:30:30Speaker 08

  Yeah, smacking someone's tea out their hand.

• 2:30:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, taking someone's tea from their house and then setting off fire.

• 2:30:34Speaker 03

  But there were people working on that ship that had to move the tea and that was their job. And then if the East India Trading Company stops or Dutch East India Trading Company stops doing it, they're out of a job. Those people suffer. That's what I'm trying to say. It's like, it's not like this is a foreign car manufacturer and we're protesting them because we're at war with them. Let's say we're at war in Germany and we're like, yo, no more Porsches, no more Mercedes. All right, bet, stop it, done. All these cars are made in America. Like 100% of the Teslas sold in America are made here, fully. Not the shit like with Ford where like 30% of it is made in some other country and then you kind of put it together here. They're all made here. So this is as American as it gets when it comes to the automotive industry.

• 2:31:14Speaker 03

  I feel like it's something we should maybe protect. Is there another business we could protest? Protest SpaceX. I don't give a fuck about that. No, that's just fire.

• 2:31:21Mark Gagnon?

  It just got back to two that were stranded up there.

• 2:31:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, alright, so then don't protest that. Protest the tunnels. Yeah, the Hyperloop. Protest the tunnels, protest the Hyperloop, protest one of these other goofy shits. Don't protest the one that we like and we all enjoy. Flamethrowers, we don't need the flamethrowers. We don't need flamethrowers. What if that's how they lit on fire?

• 2:31:40Speaker 03

  They gotta fight back. If you're going to light a Tesla on fire, there should be like a flamethrower that pops out of one of like the... Yeah, Batman shit. That's gonna fire. Make each one a Bond vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. No, that shit sucks. Anyway, guys, we love you, we appreciate you. We'll see you on Patreon, patreon.com/flagrant. Peace.

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