288. The Addiction That Went To Far - The Murder of Ernest and Charlene Scherer

Payton and Garrett uncover the story of a California family whose planned trip to Hawaii takes an unsettling turn when the parents suddenly go silent. What follows is a haunting mystery clouded by secrets and unanswered questions. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: PleasontonWeekly.com - https://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/2011/05/20/scherer-sentenced-to-two-consecutive-life-sentences/ SFGate.com - https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Ernest-Scherer-III-guilty-of-killing-parents-2377392.php TheCinemaholic.com - https://thecinemaholic.com/ernest-and-charlene-scherer-murders-where-is-ernie-scherer-now/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/in-ice-cold-blood/crime-news/ernie-scherer-parents-murder-gambling-debts CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-behind-the-scenes-of-the-ernie-scherer-murder-investigation/ PokerTube.com - https://www.pokertube.com/article/808-poker-pro-ernie-scherer-loses-appeal-on-murder-conviction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:33Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder With My Husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 1:40Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 1:41Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 1:42Garrett Moreland?

  I'm the husband. Welcome back, another Monday, another episode, and here we are.

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• 2:27Garrett Moreland?

  Don't worry, they are not bees, they are wasps. I love bees. Bees are good. Wasps are not. That's kind of all I got for my 10 seconds. Nothing too crazy going on. Kind of hanging out, been working. Bagels like always. Yeah, so on that note, let's get into today's episode and hope everyone enjoys it.

• 2:46Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are PleasantonWeekly.com, SFGate.com, TheCinemaholicOxygen.com, CBSNews.com, and PokerTube.com. All of us have our escapes, something that takes our mind off the real world and allows us to be somewhere or someone else for a little while. For me, that's Fortnite. For others, it's golf, painting, going out with friends. Most of the time, those escapes can be a healthy reset, a way to recharge and find some peace, especially in the mundane routines of everyday life. But when you're not careful, some escapes can be all-consuming. They can lead us down a dark path with no way to see

• 3:30Payton Moreland?

  the light. And when a person is that far gone, there's usually collateral damage. And sometimes, those standing in the blast zone don't even see it coming. So today, we are headed to Pleasanton, California, about a 50-minute drive east from San Francisco. It is the year 2008, and that is where 57-year-old Charlene Abendroth and her husband, 60-year-old Ernest Shearer, are slowing down their lives and getting ready for retirement. Now, 57-year-old Sherry

• 4:13Payton Moreland?

  and 60-year-old Ernie, as their friends called them, met back in the 1970s and actually married in 1976. Now, people described this couple, Sherry and Ernie, as having big personalities, a lot of energy. Friends said Sherry was well-spoken and well-educated, which made sense, considering that she was actually a respected woman. Accounting lecturer at Cal State East Bay for three decades. And at the same time in her life, she dedicated a lot of her time to the Mormon church, which she was a member of. However, Ernie, her husband, was not a Mormon,

• 4:55Payton Moreland?

  but he supported Sherri's passion for the church and would often go with her and their kids to church anyways. But Ernie seemed to focus mainly on the kids and work. He actually made good money in the real estate business. And at the same time, he was heavily involved in local politics and had actually become a member of the school board where the couple raised their children in the earlier years before moving to Pleasanton. Now, as they're older, they were living in a community called Castlewood. It's an exclusive neighborhood with its own country club and golf course full of basically multimillion dollar homes.

• 5:36Garrett Moreland?

  I was gonna say, it sounds nice, Castlewood.

• 5:39Payton Moreland?

  So by 2008, the couple's two children are now grown and adults. Twenty-nine-year-old Ernest Jr., who everyone called Skip, and his younger sister Catherine, both of whom now actually had families of their own. And while Sherri definitely worked hard to instill a lot of the Mormon values in her kids, friends and family said they were also a very tight-knit family. Sherri and Ernie were very generous and supportive whenever it came to what the kids wanted to do. Ernie encouraged them to follow their passions, even coached Skip's soccer team and Catherine's basketball team.

• 6:20Payton Moreland?

  Also, this family of four loved to travel together. Sherri was really big into the outdoors. She loved hiking. So the family spent every Memorial Day going to Yosemite and would take lavish vacations for three weeks every summer. Now, this is something that even continued when the family expanded with spouses and grandchildren. In fact, in March of 2008, the couple was planning to go with their kids, Skip and Catherine, and their families on a big family trip to Hawaii. And they were locking in last-minute details with a flight out on March 15, 2008.

• 7:04Payton Moreland?

  Now, a few days before that, on March 7th, Ernie and Sheri, the parents, went out and met another couple for dinner at the country club's restaurant in their neighborhood. They left around 6:30 PM from dinner and headed home, getting into their pajamas, ready to call it an early night. But the following morning, Catherine called her parents, and there was no answer. So Catherine calls again the day after that, March 9th, and there's still no answer or call back. The same goes for the following day, and now their daughter is starting to get worried because

• 7:45Payton Moreland?

  this family is due to leave for Hawaii in just a few days, and her parents aren't answering anyone's calls.

• 7:52Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, a little strange, yeah.

• 7:54Payton Moreland?

  So she calls her brother Skip. She's like, "Hey, have you heard from mom and dad?" And Skip says, "No." So by March 14th, a day before everyone is supposed to leave, with still no answer from Ernie or Sheri, Catherine calls someone over at their local country club. She says, "Hey, can you just drive over to my parents' house and do a wellness check? They're not answering our calls." So the employee heads over to the house. They knock on the door. No one answers. And then the employee's like, "Well, let me just peek inside the windows."

• 8:32Payton Moreland?

  And that's when he sees Ernie lying face down on the floor in a pool of blood.

• 8:41Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh. Imagine being that employee.

• 8:43Payton Moreland?

  Right. So he looks through the window. He's like, "Oh, okay." So he calls the police. And when they arrive, obviously, they find it is not just Ernie. Sheri, his wife, has been killed as well. And both of their bodies had already started the decomposition process, which means they had been dead for a few days now.

• 9:04Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 9:04Payton Moreland?

  Investigators realized pretty quickly that the Sherers were bludgeoned to death in their own home.

• 9:12Payton Moreland?

  And then whoever had killed them used a different weapon to slit their throats.

• 9:18Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 9:20Payton Moreland?

  Their wrists. Now Ernie had suffered multiple blunt force trauma wounds to his head while Sheri had more than 20 wounds to her head.

• 9:32Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 9:33Payton Moreland?

  Her face was nearly unrecognizable. I want you to remember this couple is almost 60.

• 9:39Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Payton Moreland?

  Okay. Ernie had appeared to fight so hard against his attacker that his wedding ring had flew off. However, there was no weapon left behind at the scene and there also didn't appear to be any signs of forced entry. But there was one unusual detail at the crime scene that was left by the killer. It was a few sets of bloody shoe prints, but something about them sounds the alarm for detectives right away because they don't look natural. It almost looks like someone had almost like methodically placed these bloody shoe prints.

• 10:22Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Payton Moreland?

  They're almost stamped on the tile floor.

• 10:25Garrett Moreland?

  Too perfect.

• 10:26Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, there's no sign of smearing or like if you're walking, you know, but police do discover it's a size 12 Nike shoe. And one set actually leads to a linen closet that has a collection of decorative swords.

• 10:42Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, so obviously set up. I mean, I assume.

• 10:48Payton Moreland?

  Police actually though quickly rule out that any of these swords were used in the murders.

• 10:53Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 10:54Payton Moreland?

  However, they do learn later that there is one sword missing from the collection. That's really the only thing that appears to have been taken from the house. Now, the home had definitely been sifted through. It was a mess. There were things all over the place, but there wasn't really anything of value missing. Including the $750 in Ernie's wallet and the $9,000 in cash that Ernie kept in his bedroom.

• 11:24Payton Moreland?

  And the objects that had been thrown about in the house again, almost appeared staged.

• 11:32Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 11:32Payton Moreland?

  Like things were purposely knocked over, but then the thing next to it was standing, which wouldn't make sense if everything had been hit. Like someone intentionally tried to make this look like a break in robbery when it wasn't, which is why police quickly rule this out and instead wonder, was this someone that the couple knew? Like there obviously has to be a different motive. And that's when the police learn that Ernie had a little hobby he had picked up over the years, one that had helped him unwind and sort of escape daily life. Ernie was a pretty big poker player.

• 12:13Payton Moreland?

  It wasn't anything too serious. The games mostly rotated around some other local dads homes, other guys he met while coaching Skip's soccer team back in the day. And apparently he did have a tendency to brag about his winnings and be flashy with his cash from the winnings from time to time. In fact, the day police think he died on March 17th, Ernie had played poker and won that cash that was in his wallet. He had also had a game planned for the night of March 14th. This is the night he was actually found, which was supposed to be hosted at his house.

• 12:52Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I was gonna say though, I mean, it can't be that much money. Can't be like he's winning hundreds of thousands of dollars that he's just playing with friends and.

• 13:00Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. So it would seem, it would seem, yeah, it would seem weird for someone to kill him over, I don't know, $5,000, whatever it might be.

• 13:09Payton Moreland?

  Right. Actually, the night that they are found dead, one of the other poker players shows up to Ernie's house. He hadn't heard the news about the murders.

• 13:21Garrett Moreland?

  That's sad.

• 13:22Payton Moreland?

  And he's like, oh my gosh, this place is covered in police. There's police tape. So investigators begin to wonder, okay, if, if the, if the motive wasn't robbery, maybe there was like gambling debt or something. Did someone follow him home after that last game? Well, it turns out this wasn't the only thing in Ernie's life that might have earned him an enemy. Earlier, I mentioned how Ernie was on the school board back at his kid's old district in a completely different place. Well, apparently, he was not very well liked during his time on the school board. He was kind of the outcast of the group in a way that he was one of the

• 14:06Payton Moreland?

  outliers who always voted against the majority on things. In fact, he was apparently so confrontational that he was eventually kicked off the school board in 1990. Some said that it was because he refused to negotiate with the teachers' union when they went on strike. Whether or not that was true, it was something Ernie never let go of. He was bitter about it. Feeling defeated and embarrassed, he continued to fight the school board on things after being kicked off. And he was scheduling a meeting back then to speak with the local mayor, H.

• 14:43Payton Moreland?

  Abram Wilson, about corruption on the school board right before he died. So he was still involved in this.

• 14:53Garrett Moreland?

  That would be wild if he was killed over a school board issue. That would be insane.

• 14:58Payton Moreland?

  Well, that meeting was set to take place that March 2008. But just a few days before that meeting, Ernie was found dead.

• 15:07Garrett Moreland?

  Especially so gruesome. Like, there's no way. There's no way.

• 15:12Payton Moreland?

  So, police also wondered if perhaps Ernie had made an enemy through his real estate investment business. They're basically combing through Ernie's life and saying, where could he have met someone who wanted to murder him? Maybe also wondering if he met someone with his backing of the Republic Political Party when he was involved in politics. He did financially support some of those candidates. So for the next few weeks, police follow every single one of these leads. The poker, the politics, the school board, his real estate business. But they don't turn up a single person of interest, which is when investigators start pursuing a new angle. One no one really ever imagined.

• 15:58Payton Moreland?

  That maybe Sheri and Ernie's killer was someone much closer to home.

• 16:04Garrett Moreland?

  I was just thinking, I would not be surprised if for some reason, don't know the reason yet, it's someone in the family.

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• 18:42Payton Moreland?

  This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, or prevent any disease. So let's talk about Skip, their son, or rather Ernest Shearer III. This is Sherri and Ernie's now 29-year-old son. At the time of the murders, Ernie Jr. is living with his wife, Robin, who he had met while studying economics at Brigham Young University in Utah. They also have a young son at the time who's about three years old. Now, growing up, Skip, Ernie Jr., seemed like a pretty well-rounded kid. He was heavily involved in sports. He was an Eagle Scout. He was an active participant in the Mormon Church, thanks to his mother.

• 19:26Payton Moreland?

  But there was one hobby Skip picked up from his dad that sort of kind of put him on the wrong path early on. And that was poker. What started as just a hobby like his dad soon actually became a full-time dedication for Skip. He eventually quit his job in the mortgage business to pursue life as a poker player full-time. Now, of course, everyone in Skip's life was more than a little hesitant about this career change. His mother Sherri was particularly vocal about how she did not want him to do this. It felt dangerous. But Skip did seem to do okay for a while. He, in one year, made $100,000 playing poker professionally.

• 20:08Garrett Moreland?

  Good for him.

• 20:08Payton Moreland?

  He also played in the World Series of Poker. So this was very serious for Skip. He was even traveling around the country playing in tournaments. But that obviously meant leaving his wife, Robin, and their young son behind where they had moved to California a lot. Now, playing poker isn't grounds to think that someone's a murderer, obviously. So police don't exactly see this as a red flag when they're looking into him. But they do find Skip's behavior suspicious after the murders. Apparently, when his sister called him that day to say,

• 20:49Payton Moreland?

  "Hey, I know you said you hadn't heard from mom and dad. Well, I sent someone over to the house to check on them and they were murdered." Apparently, according to his sister, he acted a bit strange. He sort of paused and then said, "Oh, no. What are we gonna do?" Now-

• 21:06Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, oh, no. What are we gonna do?

• 21:10Payton Moreland?

  Obviously, he might be in shock, so-

• 21:13Garrett Moreland?

  No, that's, that's wild, that's wild behavior.

• 21:15Payton Moreland?

  Take it with a grain of salt. Odd, but it didn't end there. Less than 24 hours after the murders, Skip was asking to get inside of his parents' home, like, in the crime scene, so he could find their will. And then-

• 21:33Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 21:33Payton Moreland?

  That same evening, instead of mourning his parents with his family, Skip actually went to San Francisco to have a very expensive meal at a fancy restaurant. So he's like, "Oh, yeah, let's go out to eat." The whole thing is pretty alarming to police, not to mention everyone else in the family. Pretty much everyone they had looked into so far in the family had solid alibis, except for Skip. He said at the time of the murders, he was at his house in Brea, California, which is about seven hours away from his parents' home in California. He's like, "No, I was way far away, fast asleep." And his wife, Robin, was actually away visiting family with their son.

• 22:19Payton Moreland?

  So he wasn't asleep in bed with his wife, who could vouch for him. He was asleep alone at his house. So, four days after the murders, police decide to bring Skip in for questioning, and he seems pretty cooperative, happy to answer their questions. He even offers to let them look at his cell and credit card data so they could see his movements. Problem is, there's a big 17-hour gap of time where there is absolutely no activity on any of his accounts or his cellphone. 17 hours, a 17-hour window that the police believe actually matches the time his parents were murdered.

• 23:00Payton Moreland?

  Still.

• 23:00Garrett Moreland?

  I'm trying to figure out, I mean, I know we'll get to like, why, he's got to be in some gambling debt or something. There's, it's got to be something around that. Has to be.

• 23:09Payton Moreland?

  Murder your parents.

• 23:10Garrett Moreland?

  Murdering your parents is.

• 23:11Payton Moreland?

  To pay for gambling debt?

• 23:12Garrett Moreland?

  Like, one of the craziest things, there's, I mean, this, every episode we do is crazy, but murdering your parents has got to be up there as just downright evil. Like, we, I think we've covered a couple other cases where kids, or, yeah, kids have murdered their parents. It always shocks me. It's mind blowing that you could do that.

• 23:33Payton Moreland?

  So despite all of this, police still let Skip go that day, and they're like, we're just gonna keep looking into him. Meanwhile, other people are starting to notice Skip's odd behavior around this time. For example, at the funeral, Skip was one of the pallbearers, so he was carrying one of the caskets. And despite that, he doesn't show any emotion during the ceremony. And while that's happening, police end up finding something else that proves Skip might not be the person everyone thinks he is. Because apparently, he's not just playing poker when he goes out of town.

• 24:16Payton Moreland?

  He's also having multiple extramarital affairs. They're not just one night stands. Like, he has, no, he has women in different cities that he plays poker in that he's having full blown relationships with.

• 24:31Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh, okay.

• 24:32Payton Moreland?

  So it turns out, two years prior, back in 2006, Skip had met a woman named Adrian Solomon, while they were both in Vegas. And Adrian was visiting from North Carolina and was there on business trip when she sat down at a craps table next to Skip. Now noticing that he didn't have a wedding ring on his finger, despite the fact he was married at the time, Adrian entertained the flirtatious conversation and the two ended up spending the next few days together. Now, when Adrian went back to North Carolina, the two stay in touch, often meeting back up in Vegas whenever Skip was going. There to play poker. She claimed Skip never mentioned he had a wife or a son.

• 25:15Payton Moreland?

  And it was certainly alluring that he was getting all types of comp rooms and perks at the casino. For being a professional poker player. But things get even more serious from there. They start talking about a future together. Skip even took her to Tiffany's to look at engagement rings.

• 25:34Garrett Moreland?

  Tiffany's.

• 25:35Payton Moreland?

  Keep in mind, she says she has no idea he's already married. They began taking exotic vacations where they would be away for weeks at a time.

• 25:43Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap dude.

• 25:45Payton Moreland?

  Now eventually.

• 25:46Garrett Moreland?

  A freak man.

• 25:48Payton Moreland?

  Adrian begins noticing things about Skip that do seem like red flags. The more she's able to spend time in person with him. When they started dating, his betting was small, 50 or 75 bucks, but. As time went on, she watched him betting more and losing more $500 a bet. And that just like didn't sit right with Adrian. I'm not totally sure how their love story came to an end, but I do know eventually Skip moves on to another woman. Including someone named Pamela Nichols, who he also met in Vegas, although this time through Craigslist. In fact, she was about to go on her third date with Skip. The night his parents were found and he had called her to say.

• 26:32Payton Moreland?

  His parents' bodies were just found after a violent break in and he needed to cancel their dinner.

• 26:39Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 26:40Payton Moreland?

  Pamela thought this was strange because Skip didn't sound that upset that his parents were murdered.

• 26:45Garrett Moreland?

  Also Craigslist. Come on.

• 26:48Payton Moreland?

  And she wondered why he was so worried about canceling their dinner when his parents had just died. What police, what police.

• 26:55Garrett Moreland?

  What police.

• 26:56Payton Moreland?

  What police later learned was, like I had just said, Skip had called Pamela. Before he had even called his own wife, Robin, to tell her about his parents' murder.

• 27:07Garrett Moreland?

  No, this guy is. This guy murdered, this guy murdered his parents.

• 27:11Payton Moreland?

  Apparently, Robin was actually pretty in the dark about her husband's secret affairs, believing every time he left, it was to go to poker tournaments.

• 27:21Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, man, dude.

• 27:22Payton Moreland?

  It wasn't until police actually informed her of this that she learned Skip had been hiding a lot of things during their marriage, secret credit cards, P O boxes, he was actually sometimes going by an alternate identity of Bill Franks.

• 27:39Garrett Moreland?

  Bro, how could you, being this betrayed, I don't know how you could ever trust someone again. That would be so hard. Like that, there's so many layers to that. I can't even imagine.

• 27:51Payton Moreland?

  So detectives start digging deeper into Skip's finances. Once they learn about this secret life he's been living, because they're looking for a motive. And this is what they learn. Skip had recently borrowed about $600,000 from his dad to help pay for a new house.

• 28:10Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 28:10Payton Moreland?

  Well, $600,000 for the new house, some gambling debts, and expensive gifts for his side girlfriends. He was love bombing. Now, his wife, Robin, knew about the loan. She said the plan was to pay her in-laws back close to $4,000 every month until they could settle up. And while Ernie Senior was happy to hand over the money, Sherry felt differently. She already hated that Skip had quit his stable job to play poker, and she felt like her husband giving him the loan was just enabling him.

• 28:43Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I feel like, I don't know if I could, that's a lot of money to borrow, first of all, $600,000 is a ton of money. And borrowing it from your parents would be hard. Like, I don't know, family money just doesn't mix well.

• 28:58Payton Moreland?

  Sherry was very, very vocal about her disdain for Skip's current profession. He was aware of it, but it didn't seem like the loan actually helped him much, because when police looked into Skip's current finances, they found that he owed more than $40,000 in credit card debt and $90,000 in gambling debt.

• 29:19Garrett Moreland?

  Bro, what did he do with all the money?

• 29:21Payton Moreland?

  Robin also told police that they were having a hard time making ends meet, which means Skip probably had spent the entirety of the loan. Yeah.

• 29:31Garrett Moreland?

  I bet you majority of it just wasted away gambling.

• 29:33Payton Moreland?

  Now then, 2008 rolls along, the housing market starts to take a downturn. Suddenly, Skip's parents want their money back because if you remember, Skip's father is in real estate and police suspected that's when Skip panicked. And maybe that's when he began looking for an alternate solution.

• 29:54Garrett Moreland?

  Why so brutal, though? Like, why, the way he did it, the brutality doesn't make sense. I can comprehend the motive behind, like, the killing part, but the way he did it, that part I don't comprehend. There must have been a lot of anger, like, whoa, what's going on?

• 30:11Payton Moreland?

  So, police look to see if there's anything besides getting out of debt that he could gain from killing his parents. And they discovered that in the will that Skip was looking for, there was a line that said Skip would get $2 million in the event of his parents' death.

• 30:28Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 30:29Payton Moreland?

  This is a payout that wouldn't be given to him until he turned 30, which at this point is just a few months away. So now the police have motive to get out of debt and motive to make money, but the evidence itself is mostly circumstantial. That wasn't until about a week after the murders, when they find some surveillance footage that kicks the investigation into high gear. So, the country club in the Shearer's community has plenty of security cameras, and there is one that actually points out towards the street leading to their home.

• 31:08Payton Moreland?

  So, police get this footage, and after hours of watching it, they spot a red convertible with a black soft top entering the community around 8:27 PM on March 7th. This is the night the couple was killed. And then it left that street four hours later.

• 31:32Payton Moreland?

  And do you know who owns a red convertible Camaro?

• 31:37Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I do.

• 31:38Payton Moreland?

  Skip, which is why the police go scrambling at this point to get a search warrant for that vehicle because they're like, if he killed them and then got in the vehicle, maybe there's blood or evidence or something. They get the search warrant, they go through the vehicle and they find nothing because Skip had cleaned it thoroughly a day or two after the murders. And remember how I mentioned Skip had given the police his phone to look at the data? And that there was 17 hours of time that nothing happened on it?

• 32:07Garrett Moreland?

  He deleted a bunch of stuff?

• 32:08Payton Moreland?

  Well, police made the drive from the Shearer's back to Ernie's house in Brea. Now, it's both California, but it is very far away. Um, they leave at the exact same time that his car pulled out. And they found Skip's phone turned back on at exactly the amount of time it took for the police to make that drive back to his house.

• 32:34Garrett Moreland?

  Dedication to make that drive because that sucks.

• 32:37Payton Moreland?

  But there was one other detail that police were looking for. If you recall at the crime scene, there were those footprints that belonged to a size 12 Nike shoe. Skip is a size 10.

• 32:47Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I mean, that was obviously planted and fake.

• 32:50Payton Moreland?

  Again, police don't believe these footprints, so they wonder, did Skip buy a pair of size 12 shoes and then like purposely stamped these, especially because they led to that linen closet? And that's where Skip may have made his biggest mistake in these murders. Who would know that there was a linen closet full of swords in the house and the footprints lead directly there?

• 33:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, that's true, that's true.

• 33:21Payton Moreland?

  Apparently, right after the crimes were committed, Skip actually told his wife Robin something pretty interesting. He muttered to her that one of the swords was missing from his parents closet. How could he possibly have known that?

• 33:35Garrett Moreland?

  Mm hmm.

• 33:36Payton Moreland?

  Unless he was the one who took it.

• 33:38Garrett Moreland?

  Granted, this is all circumstantial evidence, right?

• 33:41Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 33:41Garrett Moreland?

  Nothing, not saying he didn't do it, because I mean, obviously, I think he did it. But just thinking of the court and the jury, this is all circumstantial.

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• 36:13Payton Moreland?

  So police do feel like they have enough circumstantial evidence to zero in on Skip, make him their prime suspect. There's just one little problem. Skip has skipped town. Just days after his parents funeral, Skip had gotten in a car, left his wife and child behind, and went on a cross-country road trip.

• 36:33Garrett Moreland?

  So I wonder people like this, like, are they like trying to diagnose them, which I don't have an degree to do that. So warning, like, I wouldn't necessarily consider them a psychopath. I don't know, you know, because but like, who does that? Who just goes, I don't care about my wife and family. I don't care about my kids.

• 36:53Payton Moreland?

  It is a little.

• 36:54Garrett Moreland?

  I kill my parents. Like, at what point are you a psychopath? Like, does that seems like it should almost classify as.

• 37:04Payton Moreland?

  I mean, I wouldn't go as far to say he's a psychopath, but I think I'm not going to diagnose anything, but it's definitely a far step away from a normal person who gets himself in a bad situation, is very hurt, has a lot of trauma, and then ends up murdering someone for a motive.

• 37:22Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, we're past that. You kill your own parents. Like, we're past that.

• 37:25Payton Moreland?

  All the lying, the secret life, the multiple women, the debt.

• 37:30Garrett Moreland?

  It's insanity.

• 37:31Payton Moreland?

  It's definitely a little heartless and emotionless. So he tells his wife, I need to go on this cross-country trip to grieve. But he didn't take his red Camaro. He took his dad's car. And he isn't shy about saying where he is because he's posting Craigslist ads along the way.

• 37:50Garrett Moreland?

  This guy in Craigslist.

• 37:52Payton Moreland?

  I don't know why he's so dumb to think that the cops haven't found out. That he had used Craigslist before, so they're obviously like following this. He's looking to meet up with women whenever he stops on this road trip. Now luckily, the police do have a little extra help from someone and it's Skip's wife, Robin. At this point, she's actually just as convinced as the police that her husband killed his own parents. She wants nothing more than to get him in handcuffs and away from her child. So she agrees to let the police record her phone calls with Skip and read the emails they're sending as she pretends to be the supportive wife still.

• 38:36Payton Moreland?

  By mid-April, police tell the rest of the Shearer family, including Skip's sister, that Skip is their number one suspect. And it might be best if even the sister goes into hiding for a bit. With him on the run, who knows what he's capable of if he feels like police are, you know, zeroing in. And even Robin was afraid that he would find out that she was working with police. Until Skip was caught, those close to him were kind of living in fear. Meanwhile, Robin kept playing the role of the concerned wife as she checked in on her husband. But one particular call felt like the nail in the coffin. During one recorded conversation, Robin told Skip that the police told her

• 39:19Payton Moreland?

  they had a video of his car leaving his parents' neighborhood the night of the murder. And she's like, this isn't good because you told me and the police that you were home hours and hours away the night of the murder. And then he says, Robin, did you watch the video? Could you see my face in the car?

• 39:39Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 39:40Payton Moreland?

  And Robin lies and says, yes, I watched it. Your face, it's you. It's you in the car.

• 39:46Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. Smart. That's smart.

• 39:48Payton Moreland?

  He takes a long pause at this point. And then said, what else do you know about the video? And with the cops listening in, they now know this means that Skip's guilty.

• 40:00Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 40:01Payton Moreland?

  So finally, after months of gathering evidence and listening in, listening in on the calls, police feel like it's enough to make an arrest because of how he responded to his wife on the phone.

• 40:12Garrett Moreland?

  Insane dude, insane.

• 40:14Payton Moreland?

  On February 23rd, 2009, 11 months after the murders, Skip was arrested in Las Vegas at an apartment he had been sharing with a new girlfriend. Skip's trial was set for January 4th, 2011, but during that time, prosecutors are still trying to compile evidence against him. And they found something that was more than just circumstantial. When looking back over the crime scene photos, they noticed a bloody warranty card for a Nike baseball bat. So they began looking at Nike stores in the areas where Skip was in the days before the murder, including one in Prim Nevada.

• 40:58Payton Moreland?

  And they find that on March 7th, the day his parents died, Skip bought a brand new baseball bat.

• 41:07Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:09Payton Moreland?

  And a pair of size 12 shoes and a pair of soccer gloves from that Nike store. And by the way, that baseball bat, it was believed to be used in the murders to bludgeon the sharers before they were stabbed. It also finally explained those size 12 shoes and confirmed the police's theory that the perpetrator had used these to plant evidence and try to throw the police off their scent. So when the date of Skip's trial finally arrived, the prosecution is feeling good about their case. And here's kind of the quick rundown of what they say at trial. They believe that Skip drove back from Nevada on March 7th

• 41:54Payton Moreland?

  and went straight to his parents' home around 8:00 PM. Uh, this is obviously after buying that bat, the shoes. The gloves. And then there on the lower level of his parents' home, he went to confront his mother about her issues with his profession. And the debt that they now wanted him to suddenly repay. And according to the prosecution, this turns violent. She goes upstairs in an attempt to flee, but he gets to her. He chases her up the stairs on the top stair. He attacks her and then he approaches his father, hitting him six times with the bat before grabbing that sword. From the linen closet to inflict the stab wounds on each of his parents.

• 42:38Garrett Moreland?

  You've got to be so, so messed up to do that to two people who raised you.

• 42:42Payton Moreland?

  Well, also, it's like, sure, an argument might have turned into murder, but. I think he instigated that argument. He was planning to murder considering the stuff he brought. A hundred before it's still first degree murder.

• 42:55Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 42:55Payton Moreland?

  Even though they're saying the argument led to it.

• 42:58Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 42:59Payton Moreland?

  At 12:42 a.m., Skip got back into his red car, drove home to Brea and turned his cell phone back on at 6:36 a.m. when he arrived. However, when it came time for the defense's case, they had something interesting to present to the jury. They said there was DNA at the crime scene inside one of the bloody shoe prints that didn't match Skip's DNA. And I will say, this was quickly disputed by the prosecution who argued the DNA sample likely came from one of the first responders. Who came to the scene and checked on the parents, not a different suspect. Regardless, it takes three whole months to lay out the case for the jury.

• 43:41Payton Moreland?

  But they only needed 11 hours to deliberate. In the end, Skip was found guilty of two counts of first degree murder. Two counts of murder for financial gain and one count for committing multiple murders. He was given two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. While Skip is awaiting trial, Robin had actually divorced him in 2016. He tried to appeal his conviction.

• 44:05Garrett Moreland?

  It was a joke, dude. What? I think that's such a joke on like murderers that obviously murdered someone are like. I didn't do it. I'm going to appeal.

• 44:13Payton Moreland?

  He was denied.

• 44:15Garrett Moreland?

  How embarrassing. How embarrassing.

• 44:17Payton Moreland?

  He's actually now incarcerated at the High Desert State Prison in Susanville, California.

• 44:23Payton Moreland?

  And as for his sister Catherine, she actually seems to have suffered the most

• 44:28Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, I'm sure. Poor girl.

• 44:30Payton Moreland?

  During her brother's sentencing hearing, she said, quote, "The murder of my parents has effectively left me without an immediate family. Dreams were lost, promises were broken, our lives will never be the same." She said her daughter has since been diagnosed with reactive detachment disorder as a result of the crimes in the aftermath. Her husband had to quit his job to take care of the kids while Catherine dealt with the trial and everything regarding her parents' estate.

• 45:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Payton Moreland?

  And even with Skip behind bars, their life has been difficult to put back together because her brother murdered her parents.

• 45:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Payton Moreland?

  And all because of a hobby that maybe was supposed to be a temporary escape, one that he bonded with his dad over.

• 45:18Garrett Moreland?

  Money, man, money is, yeah.

• 45:21Payton Moreland?

  It ended up becoming a lifetime of irreparable damage for so many more. And that is the case of Ernest Shearer and Charlene Avendroth.

• 45:33Garrett Moreland?

  That's crazy to murder your own parents. I just cannot, that's horrible.

• 45:39Payton Moreland?

  All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 45:45Garrett Moreland?

  I hate it.

• 45:46Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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