#2290 - Michael Kosta

Michael Kosta is a standup comic, host of "The Daily Show," host of his own podcast, "Tennis Anyone," and author. His new book, "Lucky Loser: Adventures in Tennis and Comedy," is available now. www.michaelkosta.com Save $20 on your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan Visit LifeLock.com/JOEROGAN to save up to 40% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir, Michael. Good to see you, my friend.

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thanks for having me and really appreciate you showing me around. Wow, what a space you've created, man.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 0:20Speaker 02

  That's so cool. Keeps going. I was excited to show you the picture of my sauna. And then you show me you got a archery. It's so cool, man.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. It's fun. So we were just singing Jon Stewart's praises before this started, but I'm so happy he's back at The Daily Show and I'm so happy he makes fun of everything and I'm so happy he still makes dick jokes.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's fun. It's like The Daily Show seems like The Daily Show again. Like, that guy's a very unique dude, very unique person, and one of the most important, like, pieces to, like, unify everybody. He's reasonable. Like, he gets the whole big picture. Like, let's stop being so fucking ridiculously tribal.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  In the morning meeting, he'll come in and we're all sitting there, the writers, and he just kind of shuts the door behind him and we start talking. But it's like a, it's like a conversation with a college professor, but he's in charge. And it's beautiful. All sides. This. I disagree with that. What about this? And it's like, oh, wow. It's, it's really fun to be a part of. And then someone will yell out a dick joke and then that joke will make it to the show too. You know, it's like smart things and dumb things. That's, that's beautiful.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's never abandoned being a real comic.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, which is what got him to the dance in the first place. So he's always, always has that, those instincts. And he's the very best at, like, holding a line and, like, making something, like, even more preposterous just with a facial expression.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  And pointing out, like, these fucking unbelievably ridiculous, in-your-face hypocrisies that we see every day from both sides.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, from both sides. Have you, have you ever done stand-up with him?

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. We've done stuff together, like, back in the day. Yeah. I kind of can't remember the last time. I was supposed to do something with him at one of Dave's things that we, that he was doing outside back in the day, but I never wound up doing it. But I definitely did stand-up with him in the clubs back in New York, and I knew him way, way back in the day. He was on MTV.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember that. And I think I remember one of his books was called... Naked pictures of famous people? Which, which is great.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  He's a solid guy. Like, he's a solid guy. I don't know if you'd agree with him, but I don't always agree with everybody. I don't even agree with me.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Isn't that good? I mean, isn't that, isn't that the point of this? It's like you want a couple of people to be mad sometimes.

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  I also think we all, as human beings, need to be divorced from our ideas. Your ideas are not you. You are you. And ideas are things that you should consider. Ideas are something that you should, I mean, if it's gonna have some sort of a real physical impact on your life and your family and your family's life, or people you care about, I understand. I understand why you get connected to things like that.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  But for the most part, most of these ideas don't affect you. A lot of them don't. And yet, we're so ideologically captured that we fight for these ideas as if it's our very nature. You're, you're talking about your essence as a human being. And it's stupid.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  This reminds me of a time I left my joke book on a train in New York. And in the joke book, I have, this book is important to me, call me if you get this, you know? And this guy texts me and he says, I have this joke book. And, you know, talk about your ideas. The joke book is the most unfiltered dumb idea ever.

• 3:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  That's the beauty of it.

• 3:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  And I, I said, man, I'm sure he's reading it. Why, you know, you're gonna read it. You're gonna read a stranger's joke book. And I connected with him. He was very kind. He gave it to me. But he kinda looked at me like, are you a comedian type thing? And I said, yeah, but it's terrifying when that idea gets attached to you when it was just a fleeting idea.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. The, the joke book idea is the best example of that, right? Because most of what you write is shit. Which took me forever to figure out. I was like, God, I just write shit.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  And then every now and then a gem.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Like, ooh, and then you extract the gem.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:13Joe Rogan?

  But I've realized afterwards, you, it's basically like gold mining. Most of the time, you're not finding gold. You're finding garbage.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  And you only get to gold by going through garbage.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Sometimes I'll do a show and it's terrible, new joke show, but then the next day, the thing happens. And I think, oh, that's because I was digging all day yesterday.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's the muse. Right? You have to show up and, and request the muse's love.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 4:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, do you ever read Pressfield's War of Art?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  It's really, we have a stack of them out there. I'll give you a copy of it. It's a small book. Easy read.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Jay Larson, comedian in LA, recommended that book to me 10 years ago. And I never tackled it.

• 4:54Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. I used to have a stack of them in the studio where I'd give out to guests. Because so many comics, I was like, this is what you need.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  What's the essence? I will read it. Also, you know what keeps freaking me out? There's a shooting star above my head.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there is. Yeah. Every now and then one will fly above your head.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  What's the essence? The war of art. That makes it sound like it's a struggle to create art.

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the struggle against resistance, which is procrastination, which is this thing that we all do before we actually write. Which is so weird, because I love when I'm actually locked in and great ideas are coming. It's one of the best feelings in the world. Like, it's like somehow or another, you're pulling these ideas out of nowhere. And then it's your job to take this seed and try to go plant it on stage. And try to water it and try to, over the course of many months, it'll become a great bit. And they just only come if you sit there. They only come if you sit there. And what he is saying is that you have to treat it like you're a professional. And you have to decide at 8 a.m. I will show up and I will be there for three hours. I will shut my phone off. I will lock in. This is what I do because I am a professional.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  And you literally make a prayer to the muse. You, you offer yourself to the muse. You say, I'm here to work. I'm here to gather ideas. I'm here to be creative and be open. And you treat it that way. Whether or not the muse is real or not, that's kind of, you can get hung up on that. But if you treat it like it's real, it works. Which is really crazy.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  I love that, and I don't do that. And early in my comedy career, I would go to the coffee shop at this time and start typing. And I'd have all these bits. And I remember Tommy at the Comedy Store, he would say, every time I see you, you have new bits. And I would go, yeah, because I'm going, and now it's crazy. Life has gotten crazier. I don't make time for myself to do that, but I need to honor the muse, man. I like that.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  I'm, my move is when everyone's asleep in my house.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Because I still, I get up pretty early for a comic.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, I'm up by eight almost every day.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Comics are unreal with that.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. But that means that I can go to bed at 1 and still get seven hours of sleep. So that's what I do. So when, everybody in my house kind of goes to bed early, my kids go to school, my wife goes to bed early.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  So when everyone's asleep, it's just me and the dog.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  You know, and either we're watching YouTube or I'm writing. And I, that's when I get my best work done.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  You write by hand?

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  No, I type.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  You type?

• 7:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I feel like, uh, I can't write fast enough by hand. I need, what I like about typing is that I don't have to look at the keys. I know how to type. So I can make a letter, I can make a word very quickly. I can like, and I can like zone in to it. But what I really like is a keyboard that I can feel. Like I need travel in my keys.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, and these clickety, clickety, clickety little MacBook keys, those are bullshit.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:50Joe Rogan?

  What you want is a keyboard that you don't have to look at. Because it's got like little divots where your finger sits. So I use a ThinkPad. And ThinkPads have the best keyboards. They have travel. Each one has like a couple of millimeters of travel. So it's clickety, clickety, clickety. So my fingers know exactly where to go and I can just get into the zone.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  You're zoning right now.

• 8:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But that's how I do it. Like I have like a whole thing, like the laptop that I write on, it's not connect, it has no apps. It never goes anywhere. It doesn't get email. It does, I only allow myself to use the Bing search engine to find out if what, what the, because most of the time if I'm writing about something like, you know, when was this discovered? What, what happened here? Who figured that out? It's normal facts. Daylight savings is coming, so we're about to lose an hour and that means trying to speed up your morning. But if you drink AG1, maybe you're fine with it. It's that quick and easy to help your body feel great every day. Starting your day with AG1 can help you shake off the grogginess, get back into your rhythm,

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• 9:32Joe Rogan?

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• 9:42Speaker 02

  That's a trap for me. Frequently I'll start typing. I was working on a bit recently that all of these amazing men, these explorers, these achievers. The idea was, because I found out that Sir Edmund Hillary, the Mount Everest's first man to climb Everest, he had like nine kids or something. And the idea of the joke was, I don't even think he likes climbing mountains. I don't even think he enjoys outdoors. It's that he's trying to get away from his family. So then I looked up Roger Bannister, the guy who broke the four-minute mile. He had like seven kids. I'm like, I don't even think he likes running. He's just trying to run away from his family. But I remember writing that bit, and it's a funny bit.

• 10:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a great premise.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  There might have been an Elon thing there. He has a lot of kids going to Mars, whatever. There was other stuff. But I would keep getting sidetracked by these Googles, right? I'd start typing a bit. Now I'm on Sir Edmund Hillary's Wikipedia page. Now I'm clicking, and I'm gone. And that's a trap. That's tricky.

• 10:36Joe Rogan?

  It's procrastination. It really is. And you can get locked in.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  So the discipline is to keep it, stay on the bit, Costa.

• 10:44Joe Rogan?

  I would play this stupid game with myself. It's like, I'll just go on YouTube real quick and see if I get inspired by anything. Before I write. And then I'm watching two hours of muscle car builds.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Right, right. Oh dude, it's wild.

• 10:58Joe Rogan?

  Watching people turn their Land Cruiser into an off-road vehicle. Like, come on.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  I would do motorcycle handlebars. You know, I would find my motorcycle, and then there'd be like, that's amazing, it's 20 different handlebar builds and stuff.

• 11:12Joe Rogan?

  What kind of motorcycle did you drive?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  I have a Triumph Bonneville 2011. It's in a, it's in storage in Pennsylvania now. I take it out in the summer a lot, but.

• 11:22Joe Rogan?

  Where do you drive it?

• 11:23Speaker 02

  In LA, that's all, that was what I used all the time.

• 11:26Joe Rogan?

  You ride a motorcycle in LA?

• 11:27Speaker 02

  I did it forever.

• 11:28Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  My wife doesn't really, you know, we have a family now. But in PA, I ride it a lot. And there it's deer, man. They're very, you know, that's the scary thing there. They get very close. They're not afraid of cars or motor vehicles at this point.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a time between like September-ish to like December-ish where they're retarded. Because they're horny, you know.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:51Joe Rogan?

  Once it starts getting warm out, they start getting goofy.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  And then when you get cold, like around November, that's when it really kicks in. Like if you're in Pennsylvania or Iowa, oh my God, I visited my friend John in Iowa and I'm driving down the road and every 15 seconds you're slamming on your brakes.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Because something's darting near the road. They're all over the place.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  So they're horny and looking.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  They're also getting chased.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  So the bucks are chasing the females and the females are just running out into traffic.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:17Joe Rogan?

  And the bucks are following them. Bang, bang.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  I mean, this is like men at night.

• 12:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:23Joe Rogan?

  Sixth Street, where my club is. Don't drive fast. That's why the road is closed in the weekends. They don't want people driving down Sixth Street with all these horny idiots.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  I love that they closed that, though. That's good. I didn't know that.

• 12:35Joe Rogan?

  It is great.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, but it, what scares me is like what happened in New Orleans. Where they, they have these roads where only people walk down and everyone knows it. And this psycho decides to kill a bunch of people. It's crazy that you have to think that way, but I mean, there should be some sort of retractable posts that they can pull up.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Wasn't there for that one and it didn't?

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't up.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  It wasn't up.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  In New York, you know, it's a big concrete slab. I was in France last year, uh, and they had these huge flower pots with beautiful flowers in it. And I said, you know, this is the New York version is a huge concrete slab that says NYPD on it. And this is the French version, which was this enormous, beautiful flower pot. I go, that's, now that's serving a function and also beautiful.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, the French know how to do things, right?

• 13:23Speaker 02

  They know how to do it.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, they party. They know how to party.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  They drink a lot of wine. They stay thin somehow or another, which is odd. Like, I hope RFK Junior figures that out.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  It seems to be full butter.

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all the time. I go to Italy and.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  It, it, it's also like the standard cliche, but it is true. You go there, you can eat the food and it doesn't affect you the same way.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  It's like, and we don't even think twice about it. We come back here and still order pizza and still feel like shit. If I eat a pizza here, I feel so bloated. I ate a pizza in Italy last summer and I, I ate the whole pizza too.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  Whole margarita pizza. I ate the whole fucking thing. And I was like. I just would just resign myself to like the thud of it hitting my digestive tract and like feeling like I'm on Dramamine, just like, uh. I resign myself. I'm like, I'm eating pizza, fucking, I'm in Italy. Let's just do it. Nothing. Never came.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  Never came. Ate a whole pizza. I was like this the rest of the day. I was like, this is crazy. I'm not even like sludgy.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Brisket crushes me.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Terry Black's put you down, son.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  I mean, I mean, I had, I was at Houston. Steve Byrne was at the other club. You wanna get lunch? Yeah, of course. We go get brisket. I went back to, I slept for like three and a half hours. I mean, it is very delicious.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  Sides, though?

• 14:36Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't remember what we were doing.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  I bet you had sides.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  You think it was the sides that did it?

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's mostly, um, the starches and, you know, the carbs. It's mostly like macaroni salad.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Fatty delicious meat.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  Terry Black's in town is my favorite.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh my, they have a beef rib that is the most preposterous thing. You pick the bone up and the rib slides off the bone.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, and when you slice into it, it's just juicy, fatty, smoky.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Why is the meat falling off the bone such an important?

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's so tender. It means it's been slow cooked perfectly. They have a thing where you want your brisket to fold but not break. So they take a slice of brisket and they put it over their hand. And if it breaks off, you fucked up. You made a mushy brisket. But you want it where it's just folding, you know, like a thick cloth.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  There's, there's a life metaphor there, too.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Brisket, you want it right out, too. You want it like right after they slice it. You don't wanna wait on brisket.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:34Joe Rogan?

  You wanna eat it right, you don't wanna eat it before it's, well, you wanna eat it while it's still warm. Look at that. See the fold? That guy's got his finger?

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's a perfectly cooked brisket, right there.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Dude, I learned, every time I'm here, I learn, I remember the last time, dude, we we were talking Italian billiards. I didn't even realize it was a different billiards.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they have a bunch of different billiards.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  But, I mean, uh, that's funny. I never had any idea about that brisket, but.

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was all originally Germans?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  That they would do the brisket stuff?

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  Germans who came over through Texas, like Fredericksburg is one of the hubs of it. It's all a bunch of Germans who came over here and they made smoked sausages. And so they came over here and the brisket became a thing because brisket was not a choice cut. It was a thing that they would throw away. Like you wanted the steaks, you wanted a T-bone. You wanted, so they would take the brisket and they just figured out, like if you just slowly cook it, you render it down and break down all the toughness of it. And at the end you have this delicious, tender, smoked perfection.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  That puts me to sleep.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  They know how to do it here, man. They, they make the best fucking brisket on earth right here. Uh, Terry Black's, Franklin's, La Barbecue, there's like a bunch of spots in town.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:46Joe Rogan?

  What's it QB Barbecue is that the Egyptian joint that I went to with, um, with, uh, Action Bronson? That place is insane.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Having a meal with him would be super fun.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  KB? KG, KG Barbecue. So this gentleman came from Egypt and, uh, he was, uh, like a finance guy, I think, in Egypt. Just working a regular job, came over here, fell in love with brisket, decided to just open up his own barbecue shop. And so this guy makes these incredible recipes with like Egyptian and, and Middle Eastern spices.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  But with Texas barbecue. Oh my God, it was so good. It was so good.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Cool story.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  He's blowing up now. And it's just super nice guy too.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  Just like, I love when someone does that. It's like, fuck this job. I'm, I'm, I'm doing, I'm what, well, you know what I want to do? I want, I want to feed people. I want to make brisket, awesome brisket. I want to make a food truck. And this guy, it becomes so popular so quickly that this guy has like a real business now. And he's got a restaurant. He's opening up a second one, I believe.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  That was my favorite part of living in Los Angeles. It's easy to make fun of LA for good reason, but for the most part, a lot of people were betting on themselves.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  And a talent they had.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Not everyone's, but I do love that. I always appreciated that.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I like living in a place where people are definitely going for something and taking chances.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  The problem with LA is it also becomes attached with, uh, what is the engine that gets you to where you want to go? And sometimes that engine is like pure narcissism.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, or fame.

• 18:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  If that's the goal. Most of the time it's fame.

• 18:18Joe Rogan?

  Which fuels the narcissism.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, um, I think a more interesting question is.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  How do we find the thing that we're meant to do? That Egyptian finance man found that brisket is his calling, that's fascinating.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  In his 30s.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  In his 30s, right.

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  With a career.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Right, right, with a career, making money, having healthcare.

• 18:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Still decided to give it up.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Living in Egypt, by the way. It's not even close to Austin, Texas. And he comes here not, he doesn't just decide to make barbecue, he decides to make barbecue in the home of barbecue.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  The place.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's like, fuck it, if you want to learn jujitsu, go to Brazil.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  He just, he went right to the heart of it all.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  I remember I was coaching tennis at University of Michigan, I was making 31,000 a year. And I go, I think I can make this in comedy. If I'm gonna get paid like shit, let me at least do what I want. So of course, the first year I left, first year I did comedy, I made whatever, $6,000 or whatever. But I think often how much harder that would have been if I was making 100 grand.

• 19:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  You know, it's, it's, because I was poor, let's be poor and pick the thing I want to be doing.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%, but that's the thing about youth. Youth is filled with, if you're 47 years old and you decide that you need to change careers and you're gonna be a folk singer, and you have a family, like, what are you talking about? You have a Volvo, you have a fucking mortgage, you idiot, like, you have to go to work, you have to go to work. If you're gonna make folk songs, you're gonna make them on the two hours you have for yourself on the weekend when everybody else is out of the house.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  You don't have any time for that.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  What, is it true that Rodney Dangerfield found comedy so late like that?

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Well Rodney did comedy and then quit, but kept writing and was selling aluminum siding.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Right, that's what I remember, that story.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Remade it when he was like 46.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  That's fucking awesome story.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how about Shimmel? Shimmel didn't even start till he was 36, which I thought was crazy. I remember when I heard, because I was a giant Shimmel fan.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  And then when I had heard that he started when he was 36, I was like, what? I didn't think you could do that. I thought you had to start when you were like 21.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:19Joe Rogan?

  Or you had no chance.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  I remember starting at 27 and wondering if it was too late.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, isn't that crazy?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Exactly, or maybe it was 25, I forget.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

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• 23:17Joe Rogan?

  27. Because when I was 21, I was such a moron. I just had no opinions on anything. So all my jokes were basically about sex. It was like sex and relationships. Where were you at age 21? Boston. Boston. Okay, that's right. You were in, I was gonna say, because you were at least in a good comedy scene. You could see good comedy. Yes, yes. Yeah, you've talked about that. It was the best comedy scene. It was the best comedy scene because it was a comedy scene that had world-class comedians that the rest of the country didn't know about. So it was a cheat code. It was like you're in a gym and you're sparring with world-class fighters, like world championship caliber fighters that the rest of the world hasn't seen yet. And that emerges sometimes in fight gyms. You have a bunch of elite fighters

• 23:59Joe Rogan?

  and then all of a sudden there's three world champions in this gym like two years later. That's what it was like in Boston because there was these guys that were the Steve Sweeney's and the Don Gavins who were as good as anybody that's ever done comedy. And no one knew who they were outside of Boston. And you get to see them every night just murdering. Was their drive to get out? No. It was to make money, stay there?

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Do coke and play golf.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  Those guys are partying.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  They probably figured, I mean, I remember the documentary about Boston comedy where they said they would pay comics in coke.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  They were, it was a totally different kind of comedian. There were these big football player looking men.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:39Joe Rogan?

  Who were rowdy, who partied all the time. They were all heavy drinkers. They all played golf. They were all animals. And they would go on stage and obliterate.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  When I say obliterate, I mean, these guys would go on stage with a drink in their hand. And they had a fucking act that was as hammered as a samurai sword.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:57Joe Rogan?

  It was polished and they would just fucking.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  From the pause they would take to the eyebrow raise, all that, yeah.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  Everything. And a lot of it was like local references, like local Boston stuff. And these, they would bury these out of town comedians. I saw them bury Billy Crystal one night. Bury him, bury, death, death. Satan was nipping at his heels and dragging him down into the netherworld. It was horrible. He was in hell.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Uh, I feel like when I started comedy, drinking was still big, it was big. Now I meet all the young comics and everybody's sober or they're thinking more about all the different facets. But when I started, there wasn't YouTube yet.

• 25:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Comics talk shit in the green room, a lot, terrible.

• 25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Uh, I went and did yuck yucks in Vancouver recently in the green room. There's a sign up that says, we don't harass people in the green room. We, and I'm like, this is different. This is different, you know?

• 25:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, Canada's just on another level with their wokeness.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Canada's on another level, but, um.

• 25:57Joe Rogan?

  Come back to us, Canada.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  I, I remember.

• 25:59Joe Rogan?

  Come back.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Driving down the road in Vancouver and there's all these people just lining up. And I go, what's going on? And said, oh, well, they're lining up for the bus that's about to come. And I'm like, that's, that is, that's Canadian. I mean, it's like.

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  They're so polite.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  They're waiting, they know where the bus will be and they're lining up. That is not how it works in Brooklyn.

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  And then before they get on the bus, they give their land acknowledgement.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  Before they step on the bus.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Uh, do you think that comedy with the polish, the local, I mean, it feels like comedy's taking a different turn now. Now it's if a bit is kind of working, we post it. It's up. It's not polished. And I miss some of that. I miss some of that.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  There's some of that, but there's still guys, you know, like Louis who don't do that. And Etelle doesn't do that. It's like, I get for young guys coming up, it's a very good way to develop an audience. Like there's guys that have a clip, the clip goes viral on TikTok, all of a sudden they're selling out shows everywhere, like a guy like Ralph Barboza.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:58Joe Rogan?

  Funny guy. Gets a funny bit, it gets put up, bam, all of a sudden he's headlining all over the country. It happened to him like that.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  He was opening for me in Dallas before any of that. And you know, you always watch the opener. And normally I watch the opener like this, like, oh, this is just, is this what I have to go up after? Why didn't I bring my own guy? You know, whatever. And I'm sitting in the green room and I'm going, ooh, that's a good bit. Oh, that's a fun, oh, the crowd's going, and I'm going, this, this guy's got it.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  And then six months later, I was like watching his special, right? Or it wasn't maybe a year later, but yeah, I mean, that's, that's a great example. He's a funny dude.

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a great example of what can be done with social media today. You know, and then there's these guys.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  There's a lot of bad ones.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  Like from Kill Tony, where they do one minute. And a lot of these one minute clips get put into reels. And then these guys are getting huge responses for this. And now they're doing the killers of Kill Tony, where they're selling out these huge places. So it's, it's amazing what can be done, but.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  But they don't have an act.

• 28:01Joe Rogan?

  They don't, some of them do. Like Ari Matty's 12 years in, you know, he was doing standup in Australia. I actually worked with him in Australia in like 2016, I think.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  Somewhere around then, 2015, somewhere around then. Um, so Ari's been at it for a long time. So he's really good. He's a really solid comic. So he's like headlining now because of this and like.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:23Joe Rogan?

  But there's guys that are in it four or five years and they don't really have an act yet, but they have a couple of good jokes. But they'll figure it out.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  They'll figure it out.

• 28:31Joe Rogan?

  They'll figure it out. But you don't want to figure all of it out on video. In front of the whole world.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  That's what it is now. I'm so thankful that as soon as I could, I posted my first set on the internet. But that, that was seven years in. Didn't even, you couldn't even do it.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  I would have done it too soon. I mean, it still was too soon, but.

• 28:49Joe Rogan?

  But it's okay. You know, look, you go back and watch my first episodes of this podcast. They were fucking terrible.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  I encourage everybody, go back and watch them. They're dog shit. You wouldn't, nobody would watch it.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Where does one watch the first?

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  I bet they're on YouTube. They're on everywhere. They're somewhere. It's everywhere. But like when we first started doing it, I mean, there was no production value. It sucked. I was boring, you know? And then you figure out how to do it. It's like stand-up. It's everything else. Go back and watch someone's first amateur fight. They, they were terrible. They make mistakes.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  It is very beautiful to watch, um, people get better at stuff.

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  There's a, a female tennis player right now named, uh, Andreeva. I forget how to pronounce her first name. But I just watched her at Indian Wells and I saw her four years ago at the French Open. Everyone was saying, watching, a lot of watch Andreeva. And I'm like, this is a child that doesn't know how to play the sport. Why are we talking about her? I watched her last week in absolute nightmare of a beast. You know, hitting the ball, the movement, her shape. And it was like, oh, every day she got better for, for, and to see that was nuts. And I always go back and watch old, oh my God, Novak Djokovic's first Grand Slam. When he's got like the worst haircut and the baggy shirt and the backhand was looking different.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  Now it's just amazing to see how these athletes evolve. And I'm sure it's the same for fighters and you mentioned it was.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  I love seeing that.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, tennis is like all things, right? It's you, when you really do it, then you can truly appreciate people who are great.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  Like there's, there's so many things that are like, like in martial arts, it's a big, like, especially when things go to the ground. A lot of times people don't understand how difficult a specific maneuver is, like how he did that. How he baited him with that. And then you have to like, there's certain things I watch where I'm like, oh my God, does everybody appreciate this? That was insane. That was insane.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  It's a language. And if you don't speak the, I mean, when.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  I don't speak. MMA language, but that's where good commentators come in. Oh, they're excited for a reason.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  That, that was something that we don't see very often, and that helps me. I assume that's how it works for tennis people that aren't, or for non-tennis people when they're watching tennis.

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure, but I think only a person like you, who is a professional, could appreciate the technique involved and like the changing of Djokovic's back string.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I pause it. I make my wife come into the living room and I say, "Watch this," and she'll watch and she'll go, "That, that was good." And I go, "Are you even seeing what he did? He did a short slice to pull him in and then he went," and it's like, but it's a language that I speak and this is life, man. Picking these little things we have that we get passionate about is just awesome. And as I've gotten older, I've, I used to shy away from tennis a little bit. It's an elite sport, it's got its own history, and now I'm just like, "I fucking love it. I love that I'm good at it. I love that I know it."

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  The Wokies pushed you away from tennis?

• 31:38Speaker 02

  No, no, the Wokies pushed you away from that.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like it was a little too elite. It was a little too, uh, country club, a little too segregated.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  It definitely, it is those things. Um, no, I think what happened-

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to be.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  It doesn't have to be, and that's why Serena, Serena and Venus were such a, a fun uh, fuck-up to the sport.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the Freeway Ricky Ross story?

• 32:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 32:01Joe Rogan?

  Freeway Ricky Ross was a guy who, you know Rick Ross, the rapper?

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:05Joe Rogan?

  He named himself after a famous cocaine dealer in, in Los Angeles called Freeway Ricky Ross.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  Freeway Ricky Ross was selling cocaine unbeknownst to him for the CIA to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, so this is the cocaine cowboy type stuff, isn't it?

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  Type stuff, but this was about Oliver North. This was all about funneling money into the, the war.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  Um, he was a tennis player. Like an elite tennis player, but couldn't even read. Couldn't read.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  And was, uh, this really good tennis player who, uh, that was like what he was, his hope for a scholarship.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  Gets involved, starts selling cocaine, starts selling a lot of cocaine. Doesn't know how he's so successful because he's worked with the CIA.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  He's helping him.

• 32:46Joe Rogan?

  Goes to jail, learns how to read when he's in jail, becomes a lawyer in jail, gets himself off because they tried him on three strikes, but they did it for one incident. So they did it incorrectly, and so he gets out of jail.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  So incarceration educated him to the point where he got himself out.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  But is there origins or is he a tennis player?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  As a tennis player.

• 33:06Joe Rogan?

  He's a tennis player, like a really good tennis player.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  You know, Menendez brothers, excellent tennis players, that one of them played at UCLA.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not the best example. One guy's just...

• 33:16Speaker 02

  I'm talking about a guy from South Central LA who can't read.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  True. Just to say it's not necessarily an elite sport.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  That's what you're saying.

• 33:24Joe Rogan?

  It's just a sport.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 33:26Joe Rogan?

  And all you need is a court. You mean, it seems pretty cheap. You need a flat surface, a tennis racket and a ball, like, let's go.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  The kids that were beating me when I was a pro,

• 33:36Speaker 02

  played on a dirt court with a rope tied between two sticks. These, these South American and Russian player, it was not a money sport. It was not a sport of money. It was a sport of movement and competition. And because there's no clock, you can have as much time as you want to figure out and beat down your opponent. So, that gets a certain type of athlete, you know? I, I think it was Jimmy Connors who said, "I didn't lose, I just, I just ran out of time in that match." I would have, I would have figured it out. But unfortunately, he beat me. Yeah, what happened with me, I was, I was, was trying to be a stand-up comic, that I was trying to, so badly, that I was trying to remove the athletic stigma.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  Even now, you sometimes say tennis and people kind of back up. But as I got better at comedy and more confident in my abilities, I said, "Why am I shying away from the sport that I love and that is such a foundational part of me?"

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that weird that you felt like you had to move away from athletics in order to fit in in comedy?

• 34:39Speaker 02

  That's probably a more succinct way to say it. And the new book that's out right now, Lucky Loser, is all about how I'm now embracing this tennis because it gave me all the skills to actually be good in comedy.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, discipline, realizing, like the tennis player that you were talking about, that if you do put in the work over time, the results will pay off and you'll see it.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  And you're alone.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Figure that shit out by yourself. You're alone and you're gonna have

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

  No teammates.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Success and failure. When I was, when I was eight years old, I lost in the finals of the Ann Arbor Junior Open. And I realized I was gonna lose and I started crying on the court. And my older brother runs on the court and holds me like a child. I'm, I'm crying. There's a picture of that in the book. Now, as a parent, I'm going, who the fuck took that picture? Right? I'm just a kid crying and my brother's holding it because my parents taking that picture?

• 35:33Joe Rogan?

  They did it for the gram.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  For the gram. But man, as a comic, holy shit, we've all felt like that. Oh, man, it's so personal when you when you fail as a comic.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's important to learn how to lose at things, of everything. Like, if you marry your high school sweetheart and you guys never broke up and that's the... You probably missed out me congratulations on achieving the most difficult thing humanly possible. That everybody admires, right? When you meet a couple and like, I have two friends of mine that have actually been dating since they were like 16 years old. And now they're married with kids in their 40s. Congratulations. But I think there's some value in getting your ass kicked. I think there's some value in a girl saying, "Nah, I don't even like you." Like, "No, you don't like me." You know, I think it's good getting dumped is good. I think all that's valuable. I think you have to learn.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think you learn by winning all the time, and I don't think you learn if something's easy. Which is why really handsome and really beautiful people are often ridiculous in the way they behave.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 36:36Joe Rogan?

  Because they have five aces. And, you know, and they didn't earn them. They were just born with five aces.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  So how do you instill grit, toughness in a generation? As a parent, I see my five-year-old struggling. I oftentimes pop in, "Let me get that for you." You know, she's trying to, little things, trying to do the buttons on her shirt. That's where we gotta, you know, and I do it for her and I think, I shouldn't do it for her. She should be struggling to do this. But this is a big issue right now, right? The younger generation, you hear that word grit. How do we instill that?

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, sports is a great way to do it. It doesn't work with everybody because some people play sports and they come out even cunty or... Yeah, they come out more aggressive or more competitive or more psychotic in their pursuits. And it just like it alienates everything else in their life.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Or it creates trauma for them, not real, you know, trauma, but.

• 37:21Joe Rogan?

  Or real trauma.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:22Joe Rogan?

  Fucking head trauma if you're playing football.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's, I think difficult things are important for kids. It doesn't necessarily have to be that. It could be art, it could be music, it could be something. But I think there's something when you put your attention to something and realize you can get better at this thing and you find yourself in that thing and you find your potential in that thing that you focus on. It doesn't have to, it's not necessarily that it has to define you, because oftentimes it does, unfortunately. When people are really good at a thing, it becomes the whole essence of who they are as a person.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:54Joe Rogan?

  But it's a valuable tool for elevating your human potential. And it's also a way that you can quantify effort versus results. And you can do that in sports and games and in think chess and in art and things that are difficult. Like you could say like, I am so much better at playing guitar now because I've been playing three hours a day for six months. And look at, look what I can do now. So I know that there's a thing, and it teaches you that if there's a thing that you really love and you focus on it, that thing, if someone does it for a living, why can't you?

• 38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  Why can't you?

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:29Joe Rogan?

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• 39:59Speaker 02

  I... I agree with you. Some things, we will improve upon faster, based on our natural abilities. I loved the way DJs used to seamlessly transfer one song to the other. Beat matching, whatever that was called. I got two, I asked for two turntables for Christmas. I, I obsessed over it. I fucking sucked at it, dude. I can't, I couldn't do it. I, I mean, I, I tried so hard. And then I'm thinking, I pick up this tennis racket and it all kinda clicks very quickly.

• 40:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have a good frame for tennis, first of all.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 40:37Joe Rogan?

  So you're, you're tall and long, which really helps. You could reach stuff that other people can't reach.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  You think, you don't think I don't have a good frame for DJing?

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  You have like a foot more space. Look how much wider your arm, my arms are pretty long. And yours are like a foot more.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Dude, if Pete Sampras did this, the greatest server.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  I mean, his, I mean, he is, I, I, don't they say that this is the same height?

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  I think they say that this is your height also.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is? Yeah, it's not really. I mean, that's your wingspan. Well, I always heard that from here to here is your foot. I saw that in Pretty Woman.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  But I mean Pete Pete had like extra length.

• 41:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  And people go, how did he get the pop on the serve? It's like, you know, those.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  Torque. Like Tommy Hearns with his punches.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  Tommy Hearns was so long and tall, like Deontay Wilder is another example.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  Those long, tall guys, when you have this torque, like, you ever see Deontay Wilder?

• 41:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:29Joe Rogan?

  He's arguably the greatest one punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. At one point in time, he was like, what is Deontay's record? I think it's like 40 and he's had a few losses recently, but at one point in time, he had like 39 knockouts out of 40 fights.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  Which is insane.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  And these are professional fighters he's knocking out, it's not me.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  And he's undersized for the heavyweight division. When he fought Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 260, he was 209, 209.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  He made it to 40 and 0.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  40 and 0 and 39 of those 40 were knockouts.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Were knockouts.

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at everybody, knockout, TKO, TKO, KO. He knocked out everybody and he not, get the Louis Ortiz fight. Show him the Louis Ortiz fight.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Forgive this extremely ignorant question. When you say knockout, that means like.

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  Flatlined.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  The guy's done. That's, that's not like the ref calls it.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  TKO is the ref calls it. Knockout is like, it's over. Like you got flatlined.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  And these are guys that know how to take hits.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Elite guys.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, this guy Louis Ortiz was on the Cuban Olympic team. He's a fucking elite fighter and he was really durable. And Deont, so Deontay is, see, he's the one with his back to us. He's long and tall, but he's not giant. He's not a big guy in comparison to a lot of these guys. But he, he catches him with a right hand and flattens him. I think this is the first time they fought, Jamie. Oh, he went the second one? Yeah, the second one is the KO with one punch. So he, he beat him up in the first fight too, but Ortiz is an elite boxer and Deontay's not the best boxer.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  He's just a hitter.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Got a hitter.

• 43:11Joe Rogan?

  And he's just, he's just waiting, waiting, wait, blam!

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  And he hits guys and they're like, what the fuck? Here it is, watch this.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Wow, that.

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it just collapses.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  It didn't even seem like it was that hard of a hit.

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  And this is an elite heavyweight.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:26Joe Rogan?

  Show it again, show it again, because it's so crazy. It's just one punch. It's just black.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  So Wilder just waits, waits, waits. It's all waiting. It's not boxing.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  He's just waiting, waiting for his chance.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Look at that record.

• 43:48Joe Rogan?

  Right here.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 43:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, you got that kind of power. That is so crazy.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  That's crazy. It's hard for us to, it's hard for me to even wrap my head around.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  See if they show it in the replay, because he hits him on the forehead, which is so crazy, just before that. Watch this.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Right there.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  Just before it, Jamie. Okay, here it is. Watch this. He hits him on the forehead, man.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Not punching, waiting, waiting.

• 44:15Joe Rogan?

  He's just waiting. He's just pawing at him with his left hand and bang!

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Oh my god, look at that.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Bro, but it's all that torque and length and leverage and just god given power like nobody has.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Jeez, and the fucking slow motion.

• 44:32Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  The slow motion camera.

• 44:34Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy. And look at the torque. Look at the wide shoulders and the timing and the speed and watch just straightens out right on his fucking noggin. Boom!

• 44:46Speaker 02

  You know, and these-

• 44:47Joe Rogan?

  And the follow through with the shoulder. Oh my goodness.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  In these sports, like mixed martial arts too, these sports aren't for me because one punch, it's done.

• 44:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Meaning, I like watching that. Meaning, I wouldn't have been a good athlete in that sport.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think that?

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Well, like, in tennis, what I love is if you're just bombing aces, after the first set, clean slate. We start all over again. And in boxing, you make one mistake like that and it's done.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, against that guy.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Against that guy.

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  But that's very unusual. Most guys can't do that.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  They can't do that.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  Most guys can hit you pretty hard.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  You would take a hard hit, but you could recover.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 45:32Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Deontay's like in a world of his own. And he's also in a world of his own, again, because he's not big. Like, there's Daniel Dubois, who is the, uh, he's, I forget which division he's a champion of right now, but he's a giant heavyweight who knocks everybody out. But he's 255, 260, built like a tank. Deontay's literally 40 plus pounds lighter than that.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  And just one punch, blah!

• 45:59Speaker 02

  I liked how we watched a lot of that and he hadn't even thrown a punch.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  He's a hitter.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  He's a hitter.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  He's a hitter.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  He's there to kill you.

• 46:06Joe Rogan?

  He's not gonna outbox you and be slick. In fact, his movement is sometimes awkward. He's criticized for having bad footwear. His legs look like sticks. He has the skinniest legs you've ever seen in your life. Like, it's crazy. Like, you look at his legs, like, how? How? But the power this guy generates is out of this world.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  So his software during a fight is just constantly trying to find the open for one of these huge punches. That's the whole time he's doing it.

• 46:31Joe Rogan?

  He's not boxing you.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's boxing, kind of, but he's really looking for the big one. And you know if that big one lands, it's nighty night for everybody!

• 46:40Speaker 02

  That's...

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  The only buddy who's able to survive it is Tyson Fury because he's a fucking animal.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  And he rose from the dead in the 12th round of their fight where it looked like Deontay had knocked him out cold. Deontay even went like that at the end of it. Cause he hit him with a right hand and then a left hook as he was going down. And he went flat out on his back and Tyson Fury rose like the Undertaker and got right back and won the rest of the round. But that's just cause he's a... That's another very, very rare human being, Tyson Fury, just an animal.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 47:07Joe Rogan?

  Just an animal. One of the greatest boxers of all time. And one of the greatest heavyweights, without a doubt, of all time.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  When you get hit like that, there's gotta be an enormous physical pain, duh. But then there also is like, don't you get scared then, after a big hit?

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, you get super confused.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  You get confused. Cause I would get scared.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  You gotta kinda shake off the cobwebs, your ears are ringing, your legs don't work right anymore. When you get knocked down, I only got TKO'd once in a kickboxing fight. And ironically, it didn't hurt. The punch that hit me just twisted my jaw. He hit me with a left hook and my legs just gave out, like, weep, like, gone. It's the craziest feeling. It's like, it's not like you got hurt, it's like your legs just shut off.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, he clipped me with a left hook that I didn't see in an exchange. And when you get hit on the jaw, something happens in the jaw, and I don't know what it is with the nerves behind your neck, but it just shuts everything off.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:05Joe Rogan?

  And you're conscious, which is weird. Like, so it was completely conscious, but my legs just like disconnected and went down, but they they reconnected right away and I got up and I was like, oh no, I'm in trouble. Like, they weren't working good. Like, everything wasn't working good. And then I got dropped again. He hit me with an uppercut and dropped me and then the referee stopped the fight. But, uh, totally conscious the whole time, but the feeling that you get when you get hit real hard is real weird. It's like, nothing works right anymore.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta get on your bike and try to move around and get everything working again and it might take thirty seconds before.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  And that thirty seconds when he's also trained to kill you.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  Now, in the UFC, it's way more accurate because when you get knocked down, they climb on top of you and beat your fucking brains in or strangle you.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  Which is really what's supposed to happen.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing of letting someone get up, what you're really doing is giving them a chance to get more damage.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  Because they can recover, but not all the way, you know, sometimes.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 48:58Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes a guy gets rocked early in a fight and you can tell for the whole rest of the fight, they're still fucked up. And they're they're very defensive.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  So it's safer, in your opinion, the way UFC does it, where if you start wobbling, I'm immediately on you trying to kill you? And then it's like, as opposed to boxing where they would get you up and you maybe...

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't think either one is safe.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:19Joe Rogan?

  I think it's an unsafe sport. It's as safe as we can make it.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  We have laws of when you can hit someone, you can't hit them in the back of the head, there's...

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 49:28Joe Rogan?

  But it's not safe. It's a very dangerous, very scary sport.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  But I think realistically, when someone gets hurt and someone finishes them off on the ground, that's probably less damage than they would have taken if you gave them a standing eight count, dusted their gloves off, made them move forward, and let them go back again and get really mollywalloped.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, because a lot of times, those are when the real bad chaos come from, is when a guy's hurt and then he stands up and...

• 49:57Speaker 02

  The only thing I can even closely compare this to is being in a car accident.

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  And I.

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  Let me show you one of the greatest examples of that. Alex Pereira, who was a two-division Glory World Champion. Pull up Alex Pereira KO's Jason Willness. So, he, he's like the most destructive kickboxer in the history of the sport.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  And he went over to the UFC, became a two-division UFC champion, just lost his title last weekend in a really close fight, great fight. But he hits this guy with a head kick and drops him, and you can tell this guy's fucked. But they give him the standing, because it's in kickboxing, not in MMA. They give him the standing eight count, dust his gloves off, you okay, come for it, and then he gets hit with a flying knee on the chin. And just sent into the shadow realm.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  And it didn't, didn't need to happen this way. And this is what happens when you take a guy who's like really rocked and kind of fucked, so watch this. So he catches him with a head kick. So he's, by the way, Jason Willness had beaten him twice before, so he drops him with the left hand.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  Is this the first fight? Yeah, I don't know. Or is this the, the head kick? I don't know. Not the full fight. I don't know if this is the one, I think this is the one when they went back and forth. I don't think this is the one where he KOs him, I think this is the one where he drops him. 65, maybe, I guess that's later. Yeah, try to find the later one. Uh, this is it, this is the one, because I can tell by his haircut. So, um, Pereira at this time was the champion, and he was getting revenge on Willness, who had beaten him before, and stopped him with low kicks in one of their fights. So he head kicks him, boom!

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Boom.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  So right now, he's fucked. In MMA, he would follow up, beat him a couple times, that would be it. But Willness is like, they're giving him a chance to clear his head.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Your coach to like, get up immediately, show that you're okay, right.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he's like, move forward, then watch this.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Oh my god!

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  That's the kind of shit that happens when you're really already fucked. So he can hit you with this flying scissor knee, right on the chin.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  What the fuck is that, dude?

• 51:57Joe Rogan?

  And he's the most ferocious knockout artist, literally, in the history of the sport. Look at this, on the chin.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  And that's, forget, that's like legal and everything.

• 52:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it's encouraged.

• 52:07Joe Rogan?

  It's not just legal, that's celebrated. That's one of the greatest techniques in the history of the sport. And Alex Pereira, that's how he won his first UFC fight. He won with that. Want to see another nasty one? Pull up Pereira KO's Mycolitis.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  You want to see another nasty one?

• 52:23Joe Rogan?

  This is, so this is Pereira's first entrance into the UFC. And I'm a giant fan of kickboxing. So I watch Muay Thai, I watch Dutch kickboxing, I watch Glory. I watch everything I can about kickboxing. And I knew this guy was really special. So I was completely hyping him up in the, in this first UFC fight. I'm like, just watch. And he, he came through in flying colors. And he came through with that flying knee. And it's, it's so nuts, the amount of power this guy can generate. And with punches and with kicks, but with a flying knee. You have so much torque. You're literally throwing your body weight up into the air.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  So how do you avoid a flying knee? Just step out of the way?

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  It's in the second round, Jamie, so it's right after this. Like, right at the beginning of the second round. Yeah, so they start the second round and he's like, fuck this dude. I'm just gonna catch him coming in and flatline him. This is, watch this. I mean, this is nutty.

• 53:24Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  That is so fast.

• 53:39Joe Rogan?

  He's such a fucking animal. He's such a monster, dude.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  So how would you even, how, you can't block that. You just try to get out of the way of that?

• 53:47Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of the way of that. You don't want to block that because if you're, well, you, you certainly should block it rather than take it on the chin. But once he's in the air like that, if that catches your arms, it could break your forearm. I mean, the amount of power that's involved in that particular technique is fucking extraordinary. This episode is brought to you by Visible. As fall hits, we enter another season of change. Time to shift gears, drop the dead weight and upgrade the wardrobe for the drop in temperature. But one thing that doesn't need to- Change your phone. The smartest upgrade this season isn't a new phone. It's a better wireless plan. Switch to Visible, the ultimate wireless hack.

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• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  Or go to lifelock.com/JRE for 30% off. Terms apply. Canary, because it's a natural movement of your hips. It's a thing that you do your whole life, running and jumping. You're doing so you can explode very quickly. And you're hitting someone with your knee, which is the most immobile part. Like, if you want to hit someone with a joint, it's elbows and knees, but the knees preferable. But aren't you putting yourself in a vulnerable position to throw a flying knee? Yeah, you gotta wait till the guy's fucked. That's what he does. He waits till you're fucked.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Because you are jumping in the air, exposing yourself. So what I would do is I would, I would move out of the way, Joe, and then I would pop him.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  But some guys are just really good, like John Jones, when he won the light heavyweight title, one of the craziest things that John did, he was 22 years old, and he's fighting Mauricio Shogun Hua, who is a legend. He was a light heavyweight champion. He was a legend of this organization called Pride in Japan, where they sold out like 90,000 seat arenas. I mean, he's a, like, a real legend of the sport. And John opens with a flying knee. Opens. First move, flying knee, catches him. And then just beats the shit out of him and wins the title and becomes the youngest ever UFC champion.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  That's a great name.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. This is the beginning of the fight. Now, Shogun is, like I said, he's a fucking legend and a knockout artist. And John starts right away, boom, flying knee to open up the fight.

• 57:22Joe Rogan?

  And just put on a clinic. Put on a clinic and won the title at 22 years of age.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  That's a ballsy move to start with that.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  Ballsy motherfucker.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  That's a big swing right out of the gate.

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  The flying knee.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  Crazy move. But some guys can pull it off, and it helps being tall, like Alex is very tall. John's tall, so it's, it's hard to hit their chin. But, you know, it doesn't always work. Like, sometimes guys do it and they get knocked out cold.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  How does your fucking kneecap not break, too?

• 57:47Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't. No, your kneecap versus chin, I'll take kneecap all day long. Especially when your knee's bent and you're hitting him with this part right here. You can hit that pretty hard on things. You'd be surprised.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  I have so much respect for these athletes, and I'm also, I can't be far enough away from it.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Want to see it go wrong? I want to show you the flying knee go wrong. Pull up, um, uh, Fedor Emelianenko versus, um... Oh, Andrey Alavsky, I'm sorry.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  You want to see a flying knee go wrong?

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Andrey Alavsky, Fedor Emelianenko. So this is, Andrey Alavsky was actually winning this fight, and he actually was kind of tuning Fedor up, and he was hitting him with some big shots, and he got a little crazy. And he leapt in with a flying knee and got flatlined.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm, that's...

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  This is what you would do.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  That's what I was thinking. This is what I would do. No, but I was thinking, this is a vulnerable position. You don't want to be in the air.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  True. So he's fighting the guy, um, uh, with the bald head. That's Fedor Emelianenko, who's a legend. So watch Alavsky. He catches him with a kick, he's feeling cocky, tries a flying knee, boom!

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  Flatlined. But he's fighting Fedor. That's literally the greatest heavyweight of all time, if not one of the greatest, like... There's the argument that he's the greatest. So he catches him on the chin as he's leaping in. Like, perfect punch.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  So the guy with the beard thought...

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  He thought he was vulnerable.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  He was beating his ass a little bit.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  And he made a mistake.

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  And he tried to come in cocky with a flying knee, and he got clipped on the jaw.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  And as soon as he gets hit, you just see that his flying knee, knee just dropped.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  Also, you gotta think where Fedor threw that punch, because Fedor knew he was going in the air. This is like the reads this guy's able to get. He sees Orlovsky make a motion, like bend at the knees, like he's gonna launch himself. And so if you look at where he punches him, he punches him so high up in the air. So he knew where his head was gonna be. Look at that. Look how high he's... See it? He's ducked down, and Orlovsky's way up in the air, and he catches him perfectly on the chin.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, that is just an understanding of positioning, and where a guy's gonna be, and where... What the timing of your punches.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  This is reminding me of the way Roger Federer would notice his opponent would quarter of an inch, open up his grip on the run, and Roger would know, forehand slice is coming, I'll sneak in and pop. And now it's a much different sport, obviously.

• 1:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  But it's reading...

• 1:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Just the grip?

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, if you just... Typically, he does it like this, and this time, he's doing it tiny... Boom. They go on.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  What's so different about tennis, obviously, is then you just volleyball for a winner. It's 15 love.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  You don't get head kicked.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  You don't get fucking knocked out. I mean, this is why this shit fascinates me, but I don't know, dude.

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  The consequences are so great, that people look at it as a barbaric, horrific thing.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Which is valid. I understand why pacifists and people who are very peaceful don't want to have anything to do with violence.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  But what it is to me is the ultimate problem solving.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Joe Rogan?

  It's problem solving.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  You have a person in front of you that is doing all of these things to try to throw you off. They're feinting you, they're moving, they're switching stances. They're shooting in for takedowns that they don't want, so they can catch you with a punch on the way in. There's so many variables you have to think about. So it's just like high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love sport because it it teaches life lessons with very low stakes. But in this, these sports, there's high stakes. And that's very interesting for me because I would much rather my kid play soccer or tennis, learn some important lessons with low stakes. But this type of thing, that is serious stakes, man.

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  It is serious stakes. I think kids, especially boys, should all learn how to fight so that they don't ever fight. That's what I think.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  I, as a 45-year-old grown man, I wish I would have learned how to fight.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  And I think it's probably not too late.

• 1:01:33Joe Rogan?

  It's not too late.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I know you got a gym over here.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was telling you, you could get into jiu-jitsu, you'd be great at it. You have long limbs, you're athletic, yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  So that's, that's what I should be doing?

• 1:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Long limbs are huge for jiu-jitsu because there's certain things that you'll be able to catch that other people can't catch with shorter limbs, like a dars choke. So a dars choke is, so say if you come to grab me and you have your head here and your arm wraps around me like this, I can shove my arm under like this, go off the side of your neck and clamp it like this, and I've got you in a wicked choke. It's called a dars choke.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  The dars choke.

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  You will be way better at that than me because you have an extra six inches that you could seal this thing up.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  So your, your hand will go further than mine, you'll be able to grab it deeper than I can.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm writing down dars choke.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  And what I'll do tonight on my YouTube is I'll watch some dars chokes.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  And I...

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  And then you do it the other way, it's an anaconda. So you either go armpit this way, it's a dars, or you go head this way, armpit that way, it's an anaconda. And with the anaconda, you roll like an anaconda and you squeeze them deeper into the choke.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  And I just squeeze until the referee says it's over.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  And your long legs, you could wrap around their body to secure them in place. You could grab a hold of one of their legs so they can't turn away from you, and you can turn into them and fucking keep the squeeze on. Dude, you'd be wicked at it.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  And... In a competition, that happens until the ref calls it?

• 1:02:58Joe Rogan?

  A person taps out most of the time.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  They tap out.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Most of the time you tap out.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  Because they know it's over.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  You know it's over. If you're a psycho, you go to sleep. And there are a lot of psychos that just let people choke them unconscious. That happens all the time. Guys just say, "Fuck it, I'm gonna get choked unconscious," and they just go out.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  And then the ref will land it.

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  The referee stops you.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Hopefully.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully. Hopefully. But sometimes the referees miss it, and sometimes someone's out for like seconds, while someone's still fucking squeezing the shit out of their neck. And then the referee finally figures it out. The person's like in the shadow realm.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  I do absolutely love that in these sports, there's this extreme violence, high stakes, but then also a simple tap.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Is a mutual agreement.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  That's fucking awesome.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  And if you don't stop when someone taps, you will get kicked out of the sport. There's a guy named Husmar Paul Harris, who is one of the scariest motherfuckers to ever fight, because he was a leg lock specialist. And what he would do is rip your knees apart. And he wouldn't let go when you tapped. And you got kicked out of the UFC for it. Because he did it to so many people. He was known for not letting go.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:01Joe Rogan?

  And these guys would be screaming in agony and slapping and tapping.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Saying, "I'm out."

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  And he would be still twisting. He was built like a human pit bull. He was like 5'7", 185 pounds of solid muscle, and he would just dive on your legs and roll into these positions and rip your knees apart. Like with a heel hook. A heel hook is so terrible, because your knee has a lot of strength going forward and backwards, but it has almost none going side to side. So they isolate the top of it with their legs. They wrap the heel into the crook of their elbow, and then they wrench that motherfucker apart. It's literally twisting your knee apart, and it's terrifying.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  And he cripples people. Like, you are fucked. He'll tear your ACL, your MCL, your meniscus. You're gonna go a whole year before you can fight again. You're gonna have to get surgery to reconstruct your knee. And then your knee's never gonna be the same, because your meniscus is shot now. And maybe some of your cartilage. So this is him.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. Ow! I don't know.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  So this is a fight that he had against David Avalon. And this is fucked, because they stopped the motion, and they put him back into the same position. And when they put him back into the same position, he doesn't let go. So he, he holds on to the heel hook and just wrenches the fucking shit out, like this right here. Ah! He let go there. He let go there because I think they were like chastising him to make sure, like, look at that.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I, I don't wanna look, really.

• 1:05:28Joe Rogan?

  And look at the build on this guy. Paul Harris was a fucking specimen.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  And he's trying to turn the knee sideways.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  He's ripping this shit apart right here, man. He's pulling it backwards. It's backwards and at a slight angle. I mean, this is horrific. And look at the build on Paul Harris. Imagine the fucking force. The size of this guy's legs, the size of his torso, and perfect technique. And he's just ripping his fucking knee apart. That's a nasty knee bar right there. That's so horrible to watch. But in, eh, in MMA, he wound up getting kicked out of the UFC. Because, uh, I think it was Mike Pierce. See if you can find the Mike Pierce fight. It might not have been Pierce that.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  I, I love, I love that the tap.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Generally speaking, it does. But in this case, the Mike Pierce one, he's screaming and tapping and Paul Harris is still ripping it apart.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  I mean, then my, one of my favorite parts of tennis is how they'll battle for five and a half hours and then they co- calmly walk.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  So here it is, look.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  He's tapping.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  He's, watch. So he gets it. He's tearing, he's tapping and he won't let go. He's still, when the referee's on him, he's still yanked on it. So those ex- that extra second will just rip your shit apart. So he taps immediately, see? None of this has to happen.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:39Joe Rogan?

  He was tapping immediately.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  I feel like the ref was on that.

• 1:06:42Joe Rogan?

  I know, but it's like Paul Harris doesn't give a fuck. He's out for blood. I mean, he had like a crazy childhood. He grew up on a farm with like no food, like. It's really, like, he's, he's feral. He's feral. And he's super technical.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Which would serve you, I'm sure.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, until you get kicked out of the sport, you know.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  God, it's, it's incredibly, um, uh...

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Violent, but also systematic in its understanding of the human body.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  We're gonna know that the knee doesn't go this way.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  No, it's really, really technical.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  All sports are like this, actually.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think all sports at the highest levels, they have to be like that. Because you only get so far with genetics and so far with natural speed and endurance. There's certain aspects of it that require a careful, considered study.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  And wouldn't you, if you know your opponent is a guy that likes to do the... Wouldn't you then, in your training, work on...

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Defending that and also like making sure your knee can withstand more of that than normal?

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're not gonna be able to do that. There's only so much...

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  There's no special knee pill you can take.

• 1:07:47Joe Rogan?

  You gotta tap when you get into those positions. And then you gotta make sure that you don't get into those positions, which is the most important thing.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  The tapping must be so humbling as a fighter because you've trained so hard. You wanna win so badly and yet you have to do this thing. You have to press the eject button.

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, hopefully you will tap because guys haven't tapped and they've gotten their arms broken in half. I've seen quite a few of those, including legends like Frank Mir one time.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Too much pride, you mean, to tap?

• 1:08:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:14Joe Rogan?

  Because he fought Antonio Noguera, who was another legend, who was former heavyweight champion of Pride. And he caught him in a kimura and snapped his upper arm. And we watched his arm crack and then go limp. And you could see like where it was cracked up here. Oh, it was horrific.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  That's terrible.

• 1:08:29Joe Rogan?

  So hard to watch.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  When you're commentating, are you present moment completely?

• 1:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, like you're just...

• 1:08:38Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  You're not thinking like, it's not like these baseball commentators were like, I got a story I'll tell later.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  No, because it is that, yeah, great.

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  No. Especially not while the actual fight is going on. The actual fight is life and death, you know? You have to be locked in. But Daniel Cormier, my co... So there's like two color commentators, me and Daniel Cormier. And there's John Anick, who's the play-by-play guy. Me and Daniel fuck around a lot. We joke around a lot about stuff during the... Because he's like a fun guy. But when things are serious, we're serious. You have to be like, you know, this is like, you're representing these people's hard work. You're trying to like put words to...

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  I love that, yeah.

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  You have to be very serious about it.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  Because the stakes are so high and it's wild, though, that people might know you if they're just being introduced to you as the commentator for that and maybe don't know the other stuff and

• 1:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's confusing for sure.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  But it's also like, it's one of the things that I'm most impressed with by what you do is as someone that has this passion for tennis, I'm like, it's so cool how you dive into a completely different world.

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we just can't apologize for it. You can't wonder what other people think about it. You just have to be yourself.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  And I grew up a martial artist. Martial arts is an enormous part of my life. It's an enormous part of like how I became who I am.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  So for me, like commentating on martial arts is normal.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  You're not a comedian who then switched over to martial arts because it served you. It's your foundation of who you are and you also happen to be a comedian and podcast host.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I'm not interested in being funny. You know, I'm just trying to do that job. Like I've done commentary on professional pool too.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:10:17Joe Rogan?

  Because I play pool and I play pretty good. So I really understand the game and I know what's going on. So I've done commentary on that too. It's the same thing.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  What's your favorite pool movie?

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  The Hustler.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  The Hustler.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  The only answer to that question is The Hustler.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  I thought The Color of Money had a run.

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  It's okay. It's okay. The Color of Money is good. It's a good tournament movie. It's a good movie, but it's, you know, there's some things in it and because Paul Newman was in it, you know, it kind of gave it some validity. Because it was the same Walter Tevis novel as The Hustler, The Color of Money. It was very different. The book was very different though. But yeah, The Color of Money was great because it got a lot of people playing pool again, but The Hustler is just an amazing film. Like the actual film itself is amazing. It's like Piper Laurie is incredible in it. It's just, it's George C. Scott is in it. Jackie Gleason plays Minnesota Fats. Who's, by the way, Jackie Gleason was a real pool player. He's probably the only guy that's ever played a pool player in a movie that really could play.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  My brother once got a book for Christmas called How to Hustle Your Friends at Pool. And it was in our, it was in our basement. We had a pool table, but I just, it was one of those things, same, that I worked at it, I could never get it right, and eventually the other things came more naturally to me, but it is fun.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  Pool is something, if you really want to play right, you have to get coached.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just like tennis, I'm sure. It's like, you can develop some bad habits and bad fundamentals that you'll never, you're never gonna pass a certain level of play.

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, but I think it's like everything. I think it's like chess, it's like tennis, it's like, you know, Schultz was in here the other day and he's into this sport, paddle. Have you, have you seen paddle?

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Is this P-A-D-E-L?

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Padel? Yeah, this is the-

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is it padel?

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Well, I've heard padel. It depends on how you, how pretentious you want it to be. Perfect, of course. Or if you're Spanish. Oh, are you Spanish?

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do they say padel?

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  That's where it's from, yeah.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, why, why don't we call it padel then?

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  It's because Schultz said that's what they say.

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  He says paddle, like he's from fucking, like a New Yorker.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, you know, tennis has had this, this great historical run on elite racket sports, and then pickleball has been this counter-response to tennis. Silly ball, loud noise, don't really have to move much.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  And pickleball's been taking off. I don't know if you've played or if you've seen it.

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Kid Rock plays every day.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  Okay, perfect.

• 1:12:40Joe Rogan?

  He gets up at eight in the morning, he plays pickleball with his trainer.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  That is exactly my point, okay? I was in Scottsdale, Arizona recently, I did an hour of pickleball. The community there had music going, cracking beers. Costa, come over, play with us, very-

• 1:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Very fun.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Very fun. I then go over to the other side and play tennis, which is my sport, and no joke, this older couple says, "You're talking too loudly on the courts," right? It's this beautiful dichotomy of these two sports. I don't know if pickleball's a sport, but padel comes along and seems to be this middle ground.

• 1:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  What I don't like about pickleball is you get to the, what they call the kitchen line, and you can't move anymore. You're frozen. You, so you just stand there frozen, and you just, you knock the ball around. I like a sport, I want 360-degree movement. I don't want to be, I don't want the, I don't want the dimensions of the court to restrict my movement, or the rules of the game. Padel seems to be both. It's tennis, but it's in this box, and they sometimes run outside of the box.

• 1:13:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they run outside of the box.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  I mean, it's fucking insane, and I've actually never played, but-

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  The points never end because you're on this, this.

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

  I just see people blowing their ACLs out.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  He's going outside the box.

• 1:13:52Joe Rogan?

  I know, that's nuts. That is nuts.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  So it almost seems gimmicky to me. That's funny that Andrew plays.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  But I would like to play this and look, you know, also, one of the best things that happened for racket sports is HDTV, dude. When you were a kid watching Jimmy Connors jump, you never even see the fucking ball.

• 1:14:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  It's the same color as the court.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  And this shit now is unbelievable to watch.

• 1:14:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's like what they've done with hockey where they highlight the puck.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  I love that shit.

• 1:14:20Joe Rogan?

  That's a game changer. Now I know what's going on.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  At first people made fun of it and I was like, I need, and in hockey with the substitutions on the fly, I never know who the fuck's on the ice.

• 1:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  I love that though. I love that they do that. That's so cool.

• 1:14:32Joe Rogan?

  I've been watching professional lacrosse lately. Once I realized they could beat the fuck out of each other. I didn't know that they could fight like they do in hockey.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  I didn't know they could fight.

• 1:14:41Joe Rogan?

  They fight and they wear shoes, which is crazy because now you're bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a game.

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  What does the shoes have to do with it? What do you mean?

• 1:14:48Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  I mean, like a cleated shoe, right?

• 1:16:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, the difference between running around on ice skates, you're sliding around, the fighting is like, yeah, they're fighting, but they're kind of compromised because they can't really like, you know, good skaters can kind of hold. It's not like having grip with your shoes and being able to really, you can really hurt people.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Joe Rogan?

  They're beating the shit out of each other. I'm like, wow.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Lacrosse, lacrosse always kind of had the like douchey, rich kid sport, but it is incredibly, yeah, but this is.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  They stopped doing this in the 90s.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna say, they stopped doing this.

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't watch hockey.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  But I liked it. My favorite, my favorite was.

• 1:17:04Joe Rogan?

  I thought they put a circle around it when it flies around.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  It got a lot of pushback, but I always enjoyed it.

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Sorry.

• 1:17:11Speaker 00

  I was double checking. I don't think they do. It might show it sometimes in the highlight, but.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  That's funny. I always avoided winter sports when I was a kid. I didn't learn how to ski until I was in my 40s, and I never learned how to ice skate because I was fighting all the time. So I didn't want to do anything that would hurt myself doing it. So I would like, and everybody was like, we're gonna go skiing. I was like, uh-uh. Get the fuck out of here. Like, I need these. These was like super important.

• 1:17:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, this got everybody excited though a few weeks ago though.

• 1:17:35Joe Rogan?

  What are they doing?

• 1:17:36Speaker 00

  USA, Canada fight or game, there was nine fights and or three.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:40Speaker 00

  Seconds, they just started squaring off.

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why are we upset at Canada? This is stupid.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  Is this over tariffs?

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes, 100%. They booed us over tariffs.

• 1:17:49Speaker 00

  They're also trying to, I mean, it worked, they got a ton of attention, so everyone was.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Who's red and who's blue?

• 1:17:53Speaker 00

  Well, Canada's red.

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Who's winning this exchange?

• 1:17:57Speaker 00

  Red, white, and blue is America.

• 1:17:59Joe Rogan?

  One dude keeps his helmet on, that's ridiculous. That helmet's a problem.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  I do love when you hear their microphones during a fight and they fight and then they go like, "You ready to be done?" "Yeah, I'm ready to be done." I love that. I was at the comic strip in Edmonton years ago when Canada played US in the gold medal game. Someone sent me the country's water usage during that game. And at every period end, the water usage would go up because everyone went, would go to the bathroom.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  And it was like, the whole fucking country went to the bathroom at the same time. And Canada won, and I think it was in overtime, I was the only American there, but man, do they love a good winter sport up there.

• 1:18:40Joe Rogan?

  We gotta become friends with Canada again. We have to like, you know.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  I'm down.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  This is so ridiculous. I can't believe that there's like, anti-American and anti-Canadian sentiment going on. It's the dumbest fucking feud.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. Look at the water consumption.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 1:18:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, right?

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  I love on this pod where, if I say something, I gotta be ready for you guys to fact-check my ass.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's ready.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  Is there anti-Canadian sentiment?

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of idiots that now think that, "They're our fucking enemy."

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:09Joe Rogan?

  "Then why are we subsidizing Canada?"

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  "Well, come, they don't have their own military." Well, they don't, so let's just like, deal with it as it is.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  You know, Trudeau is out, right? He's already, he's leaving.

• 1:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they got a new guy who's just as bad.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  He's just as bad.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  But.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  They got a new party, 150 people voted, now they have a new guy running the country. But they, their whole election system is so different. They don't have like, a specific time when they have elections, and so.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  They can call an election, and I think it happens within three weeks.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is so crazy, and so, I don't know what's happening with their politics, but I just want America and Canada to get along. I think it's ridiculous.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a good, as someone who's from Ann Arbor, Michigan, you know.

• 1:19:50Joe Rogan?

  And I don't really think they should be our 51st state. There I said it.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  That you said it is on record.

• 1:19:55Joe Rogan?

  It would be fun if it happened. It would be fun. I think Greenland's more accessible.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  You could probably buy that.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  If you want a 51st state, it's Greenland. Plus, if global warming is real because of all the digging and oil and all that shit, you know, be good to have a cold spot to eventually warm up.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  I, I just read this crazy book called Power Metals by Vince Beiser, possibly. We had him on the show, Daily Show. And it's all about like minerals and metals and what we need for our batteries and cobalt mining in Africa. And I went down all this YouTube shit with like

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  The child, you know, labor and all. But very, I was very ignorant to how much we need in used metals.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Nickel, copper, you know, wild batteries, EVs, everything. And so then when the news came out that Trump wanted Greenland, I was like, oh, this is starting to make more sense to me now.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of stuff up there. There's also a lot of stuff in the sky. If they can mine asteroids, if they can successfully figure it out and mine asteroids, they can get a lot of precious minerals.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  Let's fucking do that.

• 1:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's, that's a few decades away, but they'll figure it out eventually. They, they've been able to get samples from asteroids. And they, uh, they know like what the composites are and, you know, there's asteroids out there that are filled with trillions of dollars in minerals.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  That is fucking nuts.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's nuts. Yeah, and they can figure it out. They will. They'll, they'll eventually figure it out. But, uh, I had Siddharth Kara on.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Who has done, uh, he's done some pretty brilliant and brave investigative work on the cobalt mines. And, you know, he took video of these

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  I'll have to check that.

• 1:21:29Joe Rogan?

  What they call artisanal mines. It's essentially

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Slaves digging this stuff out of the ground with their babies on their back. This is from Siddharth's book.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is fucking crazy. And they're digging the cobalt out of the ground with like, literally with sticks. Everybody's breathing it in. It's all toxic. These women have babies on their back. The babies are breathing it in.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  And then there's these pools, right, that you, that you put the water and it's toxic water and the pools are different colors. And we don't know where this goes and the water seeps in. And is this also, I can get the new iPhone 14 Max or whatever the fuck it is?

• 1:22:04Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. That's exactly what it is. And it's the only way we're getting that stuff.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  It's most of the cobalts coming from that area and it's it's also then you go to the actual construction of the phone itself and you see those factories, those Foxconn factories where they have nets around them to keep people from jumping off the roofs. And you realize these people are working in these horrific conditions so that you can get an iPhone that costs thirteen ninety-nine instead of fifteen ninety-nine or whatever the fuck it would be if it was made in America with people paid a working wage and healthcare and all the stuff that you're supposed to get if you're gonna be working. Especially if a company like Apple that's worth more than any corporation ever. Like Apple's insanely profitable.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  So we we did this piece at the Daily Show once about the sugar cane agriculture in the central Florida. They over fertilize it, it makes more sugar faster. All of the fertilization goes down to Lake Okeechobee, then goes out to the oceans where the algae blooms, the manatees die, da-da-da, and I'm just going, I think most people would pay an extra twenty-five cents a year for this not to happen to spend more on sugar. Why, why are we doing this? Why, I would pay more to have my iPhone be made in America by American hands.

• 1:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we've talked about that, but the problem is the infrastructure that's required to be able to build phones here is a decade away.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It takes a long time to build the kind of factories that can have, like the tolerances of these chips and they've been doing it in China forever, so it most of-

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  It's fucking wild. I mean, I was, I was loading my kids in the car, put my phone on top of my car because I didn't have an extra hand, forget it's there, driving through Pennsylvania.

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Whee.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's gone, I hear it's bop, bop, bop, all over the highway, it's bouncing. I stop, I finally find my phone in the woods and nine-one-one is on the phone.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  We, we recognize that there was a crash. Are you okay? Do we, and I'm like, how the fu- what?

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  That, that's in this thing?

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's pretty wild.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  It's wild.

• 1:24:09Joe Rogan?

  It's also watching everything you do and listening to all your-

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:24:13Joe Rogan?

  Conversations and recommending Google searches. Why, why don't you buy this, Michael? Hey, Michael, maybe you'd be interested in buying this. It seems like you were interested. You were talking about vacation homes in Hawaii. Look, Michael.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  What about when you've already bought it? That always is weird.

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  When it's like feeding me-

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  You're in the algorithm.

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  I'm in the algorithm.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get sucked into the algorithm. You know, it's a, it's an interesting world that we live in with all that stuff. Cause it's like, you're constantly getting inundated. That's one of the things that I really enjoy about podcasts is the one time for three hours a day where I don't look at my phone.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't have any texts coming in. I saw him do not disturb. I don't care.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  I mean, that could arguably be why maybe you have this supernatural memory and brain power. Because you, more than anybody probably in the world, maybe United States, are actually away from this for four hours just talking. That could be interesting.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  That's.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Did I just crack something?

• 1:25:08Joe Rogan?

  That's something, there may be something to that, but I think it's just the sheer volume of people that I've talked to.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  So you're getting information.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Retaining a lot of that.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  I've always been good at that for some reason.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  I mean, you just referenced the guest you had this previous book.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Uh, are you retaining, are you, you doing a trick or anything to retain that?

• 1:25:27Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  You're just locked in and engaged. Yeah.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I buy, I take supplements for memory too though. I take AlphaBrain, which is a, um.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  I saw it.

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  It's called a nootropic.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  I saw it out there.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  You can grab some.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  I didn't take, I didn't want to be too.

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  No, get in there.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Too sharp for the pod.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Thing, that vending machine. You get free AlphaBrain. You just press the button. You don't have to pay money.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  How many pods do you get free AlphaBrain on? That's pretty sick.

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  Anyone you want. Um, it's a, but that stuff's legit. It really works and it really does. We, that was from my company on it. And when we first made it, a lot of people were saying, oh, this is snake oil. This is bullshit. I had already had experience with nootropics because, um, there's a company called Neuro One. And, uh, Bill Romanowski, the football player developed it because he was having memory problems after all the, you know, hits. And, uh, I was on a radio show in San Francisco and one of the guys was working out with Bill Romanowski. And he started taking this Neuro One. He's like, dude, it's like, I'm so much more focused. It's really great. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna try this. And I was like, oh, this is legit. Like, I feel like, uh, my mind feels clearer.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Like I, I feel like I have more thought energy, if that makes any sense.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Joe Rogan?

  So then we started experimenting with different ones and, uh, there's a bunch I like. One of them is, uh, this company Neuro. These are mints, Neuro mints, but they make Neuro gum, which I'm a big fan of. I chew it all the time. It's gum that has like a little bit of caffeine, a little bit of theanine in it.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  What's the, the goal? Just to kinda keep the brain energy high?

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yeah, you want to provide your brain with the nutrients your brain needs to produce, uh, human neurotransmitters.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Alright, I'm gonna take this. Maybe we'll do like a before-after.

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  That, you know, is minor. I usually take two.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  I wanna take the mints. But, they're legit. This is, so this is one, Neurogum's another one. Um, True Brain is another one that I've tried that's really good. It's like little packets you drink.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  I've found, I just assumed it was like kids and age and getting older, that I'll lose my train of thought more often than I ever had before.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  And I, yeah, I hate it. Writing a joke, it's not fun. And, and everything I read says like, keep exercising, get blood flow in your body, this maybe sauna helps.

• 1:27:38Joe Rogan?

  Sleep's a big one.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Sleep's, isn't it crazy how much an athlete, the best athletes, treat sleep?

• 1:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  I mean, Pete Sampras used to travel with duct tape. So when he'd get to the hotel, he would tape the curtain to the window so no excess light would get in, cause he wanted like,

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  Full darkness.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  A float tank situation.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  And I'm like, you know, at that level, when you're playing for one in the world, like, all that little stuff.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  And that's wild. Meanwhile, you get in my house, I lay down, we shut off the lights, Sonos has a light, the wifi thing has a light, the clock has, there's so much extra excess light all around.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not good.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Maybe that's why I can't remember the joke I'm about to tell.

• 1:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Sleep is a big problem. You know, you really need to get a solid seven, eight hours of sleep every night. And if you don't, you're gonna feel it. One of the best supplements for mitigating the effects of sleep deprivation is actually creatine.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:30Joe Rogan?

  Creatine is actually,

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  My buddy just started taking it. I don't, I don't know.

• 1:28:33Joe Rogan?

  I take it every day.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  I took it in college, the strength team coach made me take it and it bothered my stomach.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's different forms of creatine. Um, I take it in gummy form, which doesn't seem to bother me at all. I've had people that take it like liquid, they pour it into water and they get diarrhea. I haven't had that happen, but it's also like, there's different kinds of creatine. You want a really good creatine, like you want a reputable company that makes creatine monohydrate. And then there's another thing called HMB that people mix with creatine. But creatine, besides being a muscle builder, cause it really does enhance your recovery and helps you build muscle, it also is a nootropic. It also helps brain function. Which makes sense, because if your body works better, your brain works better.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, and it makes you retain more water. You have more water in your body, which is obviously also a good thing.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:25Joe Rogan?

  And especially for an athlete, and especially for someone who wants to think, like, one of the worst ways to think is if you're dehydrated. If you're dehydrated and tired, like, you're fucked. You're working on, like, 50% brain capacity.

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Well, you, I love watching sports. You know, the end, you see these silly mistakes, always.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  Why, why would they do that? That's, you know, why'd the ball go through his legs? Why did he choose to serve to that side? Why did he throw the fastball down the middle? Cause they're fucking dehydrated and tired, and it's crazy how that affects brain function.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  And that's why I love the couch fan. Oh, my god, why did he throw that? It's like-

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  With a beer in your hand, big belly.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  You're literally drinking a beer, this guy's-

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  This guy's a pussy.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  This guy's a pussy.

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  If I was getting that money, I'd fight Mike Tyson.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  I'd come out swinging. Yeah, the couch fan is their best.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  But, yeah, like, in fights, you see it all the time, when people are exhausted, they make terrible decisions. They shoot for takedowns, they get caught in guillotine chokes, cause they're exposed, they're just, they're exhausted, and they just take a chance, and they don't have the energy to complete the technique correctly.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  Oh, dude, I mean, my parenting, with a full night's sleep versus, like, had an early flight, had to fly, I mean, it's crazy.

• 1:30:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everything is.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm like, I'd like to think a kind, patient parent on a good night's sleep, but like, when I get home after a road gig or whatever, even coming up, this Sunday, I have an early flight, I'm gonna get to Brooklyn, I know it's gonna be 1pm, and the wife's gonna hand me the kids and go, "Your turn."

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna be like, dude, the patience is gonna be, it's gonna be tough.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're gonna be exhausted from the flight.

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:57Joe Rogan?

  You know what I, I found helps a lot from flights is, if you can, work out immediately.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  After?

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Right when you land.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Like, right when you land.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Just, just get into it.

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Just get something going.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Even if it's 20 minutes, do a bunch of pushups and situps and chinups.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:12Joe Rogan?

  Just get, get it going. Just reset the clock. Cause when you exert yourself, like, hard, you have a hard, you know, 20 minutes, half hour of working out, it resets you. And you're like, I'll get it back. I'm okay.

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  I'm very excited about this weekend because- Uh, my former assistant coach at Illinois, where I played tennis, is the head coach here at Texas.

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I U T?

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  I U T.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  So, he's won an NCAA championship. His name is Bruce Burke. He's an excellent coach, but he's like, dude, come hit with us.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  So I'm gonna be training with the Texas team, and they're beasts. These guys are, you know, it's, so that's, that's exciting for me.

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  That's cool.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  That's super fun, just to get to do that. And then perform a mothership, dude. Never even stepped foot in this place.

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm excited for you to go.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  And it's selling out so fa- I mean, you've created it. Last time I was here, it was like, still an idea.

• 1:32:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  Adam Eget was around, but now, I mean, it's just amazing, man. It's, you've built something amazing.

• 1:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it, uh, it's as good, it's better than we have ever hoped. We never hoped it was gonna be what it is now. It's, it's perfect.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Was the Comedy Store, uh, a foundational thought with this?

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  Mitzi's room is obviously a testament to- and I never met Mitzi. I never fucking met her.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's her. That painting's her.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Let me ask something that's crude. Was she, was she a hot?

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  She was hot when she was young.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  When she looked like that, she was hot.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  Cause I see, like, I go to the La Jolla Comedy Store, and I see all the pictures of her, and I'm like, I think Mitzi was hot, you know, but I didn't ever-

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  She was hot when she was young. Um, I didn't meet her then. I met her in 94. You know, she was already quite a bit older, and she'd started suffering the beginnings of her neurological condition. Like, she would have a little bit of shakes, but she was there.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, you could have conversations with her, and she, she helped me a lot. And, and she also helped foster an environment of creativity and of collaboration and of, you know, there was, it was a home for a lot of, you know, road comics. Like, there was this thing that you knew that you would go home, and on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, we would be at the store having the time of our lives. On Tuesday and Wednesday nights, we would be working on new jokes, we would be doing sets, we'd be laughing together. Everybody's cracking jokes in the parking lot. It was so much fun. And it was that home environment that we wanted to recreate as much. Much as possible.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  And to make it as comic friendly as possible. What have you ever wanted in a club they didn't have? Okay, let's get that. Like, how do you want this to be? How do you want to get to the stage? What do you think we need to do about? And I asked everybody, and Louis CK gave me some of the best advice. Like Louis told me to lower the ceilings.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Joe Rogan?

  I shortened the stage in the smaller room. He told me like to deaden the sound as much as possible. Everybody wants that echo because it makes it sound like people are killing more. You want clear sound. He was dead right on everything.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Cause he has a production mind, you know? He doesn't just have a mind of a comic. He also has a mind of like, what's the best way to set things up for a film or for us? You know, set the environment.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  Yep. You feel and notice all that stuff on stage. I was performing recently. Ceiling's tall. Crowd is full.

• 1:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Speaker 02

  But where's the laughs going? Am I killing? I feel like I'm doing well, but I'm not hearing it.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  Uh, now I'm in my head a little bit, right? That's changed my order. Now I'm, now I'm doing the bit that I know is gonna kill instead of just letting things real. And it's like, all of that matters.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:41Speaker 02

  All of that matters.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  High ceilings is a big thing.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  It's a problem.

• 1:34:43Joe Rogan?

  You wanna be locked in. I want everybody to be locked in.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Um, the Comedy Store, the way you just described that was, was really became my clubhouse.

• 1:34:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  And then I was a little bit, I got passed there when you were gone for a little while. And I remember when you came back, changed, changed dramatically. But LA was really, really tough for me initially upon moving there. And then all of a sudden, you get into a place like that. There's a place to drink. There's a place to talk shit. There's

• 1:35:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:12Speaker 02

  A place to, oh my God, even just parking.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  Right? Park here and then just hang.

• 1:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  You know, it was, it changed the game. It changed the game for me. So.

• 1:35:21Joe Rogan?

  It changed the game for.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

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• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  It's like, the place is great, food's nice, people are cool. I'm like, fuck, I live in Texas. Cause I always wanted to get out of LA. Yeah. Cause I felt like, especially when my kids were young, I was like, I've been through this with my older daughter. I was like, I don't think LA is a good place for children. I don't think it's a good place for young people. I think it's just filled with too many like bizarre ambitions and creeps. And, and it's just like, people are devalued because there's so many of them. It's too, it's too overwhelming. Yeah. Um, so I'd always thought about getting out and then the pandemic hit and then Ron White was the one who talked me into opening up the club. Like we were doing local shows at the Vulcan and we had talked about maybe opening up a club, like maybe we should buy a club here. And then Ron White got off stage. He hadn't been on stage in like seven or eight months and he murdered.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  He got a standing ovation when he got on stage and it turned out he had, he was playing it off. He had practiced all day, gone over his notes and he's just fucking professional. Just murdered. And then he grabs me by the shoulders. He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this. You can open up that goddamn club. I was like, okay, okay. Always a great hang. Oh, he's the best. I mean, at the Comedy Store, he didn't know me and he would just hang and. He's the best. He's the elder statesman of the Austin comedy scene. Okay, got it. He's the best. Yeah. He's such a good guy and he's always around. And so like with Ron, it's like, so we had Ron, we had Tony Hinchcliffe and then Tom Segura moved here and Christina Positsky. And then the floodgates opened, Tim Dillon, everybody started coming. It's a tidal wave dude.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  And then Shane Gillis moved here and he brought the whole Philly crew and there's all these killers. It's like, Duncan moved here. It's like, it just became so fun. It became so fun. And all these things had to happen for it to take place like that. Yeah. The Comedy Store had to lose guys like Adam, like they had to fire everybody. So these people were all unemployed. So I hire them. Yeah. And I brought them over here when, it wasn't even a club yet. I was like, I'll pay you now. You can start getting paid now. You'll, you have health benefits, all the jazz, just enjoy the city. Just have a good time and a year or so I'll call on you. And so then we started working.

• 1:39:59Speaker 02

  I mean, I've been texting Adam for a long time and I was like, is, is something hap- you know, yes, something is happening, but we don't know when. But not to come back and excited to walk through it, so.

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of people dismissed it. It's not gonna happen.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  But it was gonna happen. I had, you know.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  Well, you just, when you're an outsider looking at your plate, there's a lot on it.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  You know, so.

• 1:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this was important.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  It was also, if I'm not gonna do it, who's gonna do it? You know, it's one of those things where if you have an opportunity to do something very unusual and you don't do it, well then, what is, nobody ever do anything unusual?

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking do it.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  Everyone just always either goes to New York or LA and that's it forever?

• 1:40:35Joe Rogan?

  And it was also, we had so many people like Brian Simpson, he moved out here early, Derek Post and Asana Mob, they all moved out here early. We had so many killers that were already here.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:44Joe Rogan?

  We're like this, we were already doing shows, sold out shows at the Vulcan, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday nights, Kill Tony was there on Mondays. We were already doing weekend shows. It was like, it was a no brainer.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  We knew we could do it.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  That's sick.

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, but it was, it was a little scary. It's a little scary. Dump a bunch of money, buy a building.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Renovate the whole thing for a year and a half.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  The decisions alone?

• 1:41:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of decisions, a lot of decisions.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  Doorknobs, carpets, lights, ceiling, drywall, like.

• 1:41:13Joe Rogan?

  We had a really good architect that helped too. Shout out to Richard, Richard Wise. Uh, but at the end of the day, really what it was all about was a lot of great timing. Great opportunity and great timing.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:23Joe Rogan?

  And then doing it the right way from the beginning.

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:26Joe Rogan?

  Make it as comedy friendly as possible. And just make an environment where people like, like to be there.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Nice, friendly people, everybody's having fun.

• 1:41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's like real supportive and.

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  And comics, to their credit, I think naturally are non-conformists and I love that they'll jump at a new opportunity.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  They're not like all tied, so. You know, yeah, Joe's opening a club, we'll go, boom, done. And people moved here, it's like nuts to hear, I can't believe how often. I was texting with Adam. He said, who do you want to be opening for you this weekend? I said, send me some names. Send me all the names, I'm like, this feels like, these feel like all Comedy Store names.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  Everybody's, like, these are all in Austin?

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Holtzman lives here now, he's here all the time.

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:42:11Joe Rogan?

  He was fucking killing the other night. Now Holtzman has a crowd here now.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  So, instead of Holtzman going up at 2 o'clock in the morning in the main room when there was no one there, and the comics sit in the back of the room and laugh.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Joe Rogan?

  Now he's got sold out shows.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Wow, yeah.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  And people come to see Holtzman.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Joe Rogan?

  And he's doing different material like every night, man.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  He's got a crowd now. And he can make money in town.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Which is huge. And he doesn't have to travel, he doesn't have to do the road, and he is doing the road a little bit too now, which is unique for Brian too. It's really funny because he puts up these videos of people getting offended.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  He does?

• 1:42:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, on his Instagram, it's people getting offended and screaming at him, walking out of a show, because they don't get it, they don't.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  But once you see him a couple of times and you get what he's doing, then we have what we have in Austin now, where people, they, you know, when Holtzman's there, it sells out. They're coming to see Holtzman. It's fun.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  There's nothing more beautiful than a person talking into a microphone, causing a reaction to a group.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  It's beautiful, it's nuts. It shows how powerful words and energy and communication can be.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  It's like, you, you let that person make you that mad. And he didn't, this person didn't touch you or hit you.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  That is wild to think that, that, that we have that ability.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Especially with Holtzman, because he lets you in on it every now and then, what he's doing. And then he comes back to it. It's like, you, he's, he does this very beautiful dance of like letting you in on it, and then going right back to the fucking guy!

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's fucking great. I'm looking forward to performing there, so it's sweet.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have a good time, man.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  Great.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you bring people to open with you, or you got local people?

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  Uh, I think we got local. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I didn't bring people with me, but, um...

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  We have a lot of good local people, man.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing. It's like, you could bring somebody, or you're in a community where there's great comedy.

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  So I'd much rather do that.

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's, you'll have a great hang. The green room is really great.

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a great hang. We have Mae West's couch in there.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  That, um, Peter Shore gave me. It's, uh, mid-season. She had it in her house, and so we had it reupholstered.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  So, in the green room, this beautiful pink couch, that's Mae West's couch.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Okay, amazing.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so the bones of it are Mae West's couch.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and so we have Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten notes on the wall from his last Tonight Show special. So it's all the different bits that he wanted to hit, and all the different things that he wanted to talk about. And then Patrick Bet-David gave me one of Lenny Bruce's microphones.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  So we have Lenny Bruce's microphone framed on the wall above the monitors.

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  I feel like Lenny Bruce...

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  Not enough comics understand the road he paved for everybody else.

• 1:44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, it's known that he did that, but...

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  He's the OG.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  He was the OG.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  He's the OG.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's what I'm trying to say.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  He was the first guy to go to jail. He was going to jail.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  Fucking arrested him.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of times.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  That is insane.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  For stuff that is nothing. Today, it would maybe get you kicked off TikTok.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  But we still had the First Amendment at that time, so that's what's so interesting to me.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  The interpretation of, or the enforcement of, has... That's wild.

• 1:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the role...

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Same Constitution.

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, same Constitution. Well, this is the role that comedy plays in free speech. Because we are really one of the only countries that has the kind of free speech that we have, the Declaration. When we, when we have the First Amendment, that's, it talks very specifically, the very first one, about our ability to express ourselves, how important that is.

• 1:45:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  But if you're a comedian, and you can't do that, like if someone's deciding what you get... Well, that sets the boundaries for... Everything else, if he didn't do that, if he wasn't doing that in the 50s and the 60s.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  And getting arrested.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, who knows where free speech would be today?

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  What was he arrested on?

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Profanity.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  You could be arrested on profanity?

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was arrested on profanity charges. Yeah, they had profanity laws back then. Where in public places, you couldn't have, and you know, different places in different, different districts had different regulations, but.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  You know.

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure in San Francisco where he started, he probably could do whatever he wanted and then, you know, as you travel and you start, and then he became more and more popular.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  Obscenity.

• 1:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Obscenity.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  This reminds me of.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  Profanity, obscenity. So here it is. Uh, so he was arrested at the Jazz Workshop in San Francisco, which is even crazier, in 1961.

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  Use the word.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Where he used the word cocksucker and said that "to" is a preposition, "come" is a verb. That the sexual context of "come" was so common that it bore no weight, and that if someone hearing it became upset, he probably can't come. Although the jury acquitted him, other law enforcement agencies began monitoring his appearances, resulting in frequent arrests under obscenity charges.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Joe, see there, although a jury acquitted him, I'm just wondering, like, was he actually breaking a law? Or were they just hassling him by arresting him? Because he can't.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Dude, they've arrested him for saying "schmuck."

• 1:47:20Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that real quick.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  But I'm saying, there's no, what do you charge somebody with?

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, this was, this was the obscenity charges. Like, they said, if you go back to that Wikipedia page, look at that. This is crazy. He said, Sherman Block later became the county sheriff. The charge this time was that the community used the word "schmuck", an insulting Yiddish word that was also considered a term for penis.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  The Hollywood charges were later dismissed.

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  So this was in Philadelphia, and then Los Angeles, and then West Hollywood. In West Hollywood, he was arrested. Imagine, the place where the Comedy Store resides right now, he was arrested just 10 years before Richard Pryor was performing "Live in the Sunset Strip."

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  I mean, what about the?

• 1:48:02Speaker 00

  The one in Philly is legit.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  The gay.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  What's that, Jamie?

• 1:48:05Speaker 00

  Drug possession.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did a lot of drugs.

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a fact.

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  I would do a lot of drugs if I got arrested every time I said "schmuck."

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  So "Live in the Sunset Strip," I think, was 81 or 82. Is that correct? What year was "Live in the Sunset Strip"? Because I was in high school. I remember that. 66, I have that poster. That Lenny Bruce poster.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  There's a lot of Lenny Bruce love out in that.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  Which is so cool.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have a lot of Lenny Bruce stuff out there. I, like, he was the guy. And it's hard when you listen to his stuff today because most of it.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of trite. Like, we've, we've heard all the premises before. It's because he's, he broke the ground. You have to remember, people were so innocent in 1961. The culture was so different that what he was saying was groundbreaking.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  I fell into that trap. You know, I was like, I'm, I'm not really digging it. I'm not enjoying it. But it's like, you have to really think about where we were then.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Sure. If you listen to Shakespeare talk, you probably, this guy's a retard. What the fuck is, what thou dost not? Like, shut up. But if, it's like, in the context of 1961, what he was doing was, it was akin to a lot of things that were to come. Like, the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, all these things were bubbling up about this freedom of exploring ideas and expressing yourself. But in comedy, it had just been two Jews walking to a bar. You know, it'd been jokes. It was set up punchline. The Italian says to the Polish guy.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  It would've been a lot of that stuff. And so, he came along and is like, why do we have these words that are forbidden? Why do we have this? Why is that? Why can't people be in love this way? Why can't that happen? And it was like, people were like, Jesus, like, why can't we? And like, he changed the way people thought about life, not just about comedy. And then I think Richard Pryor came along and made it way better.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, made it funnier. But also, what fascinates me so much about that with Lenny Bruce is it, it was this, it's the same First Amendment that we have right today.

• 1:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  And those words have not changed, but society has, or its interpretation has, or its enforcement has. That's wild.

• 1:50:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  The enforcement is the, the thing. And then the concept of obscenity charges. Obscenity charges are very subjective, right? Who's to decide what's obscene? To me, schmuck is not obscene. It's kind of cute. If my, you know, someone calls you a schmuck, it's probably a friend of yours. You know, like, you fucking schmuck. Like, ah. It's not a, I mean.

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  You get arrested for schmuck? That's crazy. What is this, Jamie?

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  This is where the obscenity law came from, a court case.

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is 73, though.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  This is what I typed in where the obscenity laws in.

• 1:50:37Joe Rogan?

  No, I understand, but this is 73 because, you know, he was 61. So what does it say there? The ruling? Scroll up at the top a little bit. It says, "A landmark decision of the US Supreme Court clarifying the legal definition of obscenity as material that lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 1:50:54Joe Rogan?

  The ruling was "The origin of three-part judicial test for determining obscene media content that could be banned by government authorities," which is now known as the Miller Test. So here's the thing to think about this.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  The Miller Test is actually quite relevant right now. It's coming up a lot.

• 1:51:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is it?

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  Miller Test, yes.

• 1:51:08Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Uh, First Amendment stuff. I just heard something about it. That's interesting.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is interesting because this, the thing about this is, this is probably all in response to all the anti-war activists and all of the, the whole hippie, freedom of speech, flower child movement.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  I did a piece for The Daily Show after Biden won, and this woman in, um, New Jersey had up 10, 15 flags, "Fuck Biden, fuck Joe Biden, fuck Joe Biden" flags. Was in a cer, was, was on a path to a school, and a lot of parents said, "Take down the flag." She said, "It's my First Amendment right." Got all messy, court, uh, the city made her take it down. She refused. NAACP popped in to defend her, saying it was her right as a, Biden was a political figure, but then it became an obscenity. It was a very interesting piece.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  And I spoke to her, and she was very outspoken, and I, my whole take was like, "Hey, just, maybe let's say legally, you can put those flags up, but it's just kinda shitty, right?" And she was like, "Fuck you, I'm gonna put my flags up." But interesting when obscenity mixes in with school, kid.

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  What is that now?

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  Um, public figure, public figure. If it says, "Fuck Tony, uh, fuck Michael," that's different than "Fuck Joe Biden," the sitting President of the United States.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  All fascinating.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is, it's also, it's like, you know, what do you want to see in your neighborhood? Like, do you, do you really? I don't like people putting those fucking stupid signs on their lawns. My parents. We were diehard liberals. They were living in Florida at the time, and this is during 2016. And my mom was complaining, every time I put my Hillary Clinton sign, someone takes it down. I'm like, you're in Florida. Like, why are you putting Hillary Clinton signs on your lawn?

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  But to my mom, it might as well be like she was supporting the Miami Dolphins.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, that was her team. Her team was the Democrats.

• 1:53:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say, I don't like when a kid is wearing a Dolphins hat or a Yankees hat. Cause I'm like, we as adults have put that on the kid.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe the kid is just a fan of the sport.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  It's possible, but dad, dad probably made him do it.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Maybe. Maybe the kid just likes it. That doesn't bother me at all. There's nothing wrong with supporting teams. But there's a real problem when it's how the whole country's run and you're thinking about it like a team. Like, that's, that's kind of ridiculous.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:37Joe Rogan?

  And people that put those fucking signs in their lawn, like, settle down.

• 1:53:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  Just, why? Why? Why are you doing, like, it's just like, you're like, nah, no fucking, this is it, I think.

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Right in the yard, right in front of your house, which a boy, like, those people that like, science is settled. This is, it's, love is love, black lives matter. Like, okay.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  Who was the, who was the Supreme Court Justice with the flags? Got in the whole fucking neighborhood fight with the flags? Uh, had the, had the, uh, white flag with the green pine tree on it? And that was, it was Christian nationalism or had ties to it, whatever. But I'm saying. The white flag with a green pine tree is Christian nationalism? Uh, wasn't it? I don't know.

• 1:54:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about this.

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  You know what I'm talking about this?

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  No. What was this? Do you remember, Jamie?

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  It was, Samuel Alito, I think? Samuel Alito? Uh, it was, I thought it was maybe Roberts, but his white, and then he's, and then, um, there it is.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  An appeal to heaven.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  So that flag was flying, and you can see there the Boston Globe. That's his, uh, New Jersey, uh, the one right underneath that, Jamie. That's his New Jersey house, beach house, and that got put up. But this was all because neighbors started fighting about their signs.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  What is that, uh, an appeal to heaven? What does that mean?

• 1:54:50Speaker 02

  I, I, I don't know.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  What's that flag supposed to represent, Jamie? Huh.

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  But, um, interesting that our Supreme Court Justice got involved in one of these sign fights. And then they called him out on it and he said, "It's my wife." Uh, it's just fucking hilarious, right? My wife, my wife did it.

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  My wife's a Christian nationalist. Is that a Christian nationalist thing?

• 1:55:16Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  A call to heaven?

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  I don't know what that, that, I, we'll find out. I-

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  I've never even heard of it until just now.

• 1:55:23Speaker 00

  They took it down from in front of San Francisco City Hall, probably part of the same issue.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, what does it mean?

• 1:55:28Speaker 00

  Has to do with the colonies, it said.

• 1:55:30Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:55:31Speaker 00

  Revolutionary War.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay. "The flag was originally used during the American Revolutionary War flown by George Washington's cruisers and is associated with the early quest for American independence. It's since been adopted by a different group, one that doesn't represent the city's values. So we made the decision to swap it with an American flag." Well, first of all, you probably shit on the American flag there anyway. You shouldn't have to have, swap it. How about have the American flag everywhere, you motherfuckers?

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  America!

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, but, uh- "January 6th, 2022, videos and photos showed that some supporters of former President Donald Trump waving the Appeal to Heaven flag." Oh, they ruined it. Just like the-

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  It's possible, yeah.

• 1:56:07Joe Rogan?

  Nazis ruined the swastika.

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  The swastika, which was a Buddhist thing.

• 1:56:10Speaker 00

  That's one flag out of all those, right there.

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Where is it? Oh, yeah, an Appeal to Heaven. So what is it? So it's because it's Trump supporters now? Is that why? That's why?

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  I don't know why Alito put it up, but I remember it being something to do with like, the homeowners associations all were mad at each others and they put the flag up.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  He threw his wife right in the bus. Look at this. "My wife is fond of flying flags. I am not." Alito wrote, "My wife was solely responsible for having flagpoles put up at our residence and our vacation home and has flown a wide variety of flags over the year." How many Palestine flags you fly? How many, wide variety? You got a lot of Ukraine flags flying in your house? What kind of flags you got?

• 1:56:49Speaker 02

  It just makes me laugh that, look, this is the petty shit that like, normal Americans get in. You're, you're, you're Supreme Court Justice, just get out of it, but-

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know about that flag. I've, this is the first time I've ever seen that, but it's just a thing that people do. They'll want to let you know what they support and what they don't and-

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We love telling people what we believe.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  And it's very important that we feel like we have beliefs and it's when we start sharing them that.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you find out other people don't agree.

• 1:57:21Speaker 02

  Might not agree with you. And this gets back to grit and toughness and.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, this also goes back to the importance of your show, The Daily Show. Cause The Daily Show, especially under the tutelage of Jon Stewart, when he's running the helm, it's, it's so balanced at pointing out ridiculous shit all over the place. Which I think is so important.

• 1:57:40Speaker 02

  That's the, that's the, that's the goal. That's the aim.

• 1:57:43Joe Rogan?

  So smart.

• 1:57:44Speaker 02

  And when we do it right, I love it and you know, it's, it is every day. So sometimes you do it right. And you're thankful, you pat yourself on the back, but guess what? There's a show tomorrow.

• 1:57:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  And, uh, I think we benefit, man, so many, I'll take, when I host, so many questions, I'll take questions from the audience and so many people go like. Michael, how do you hold yourself to journalistic integrity? When you, and I go, what? I'm a fucking comedian. This is on Comedy Central. I'm not, I'm not a journalist. The fact that you, just because you see us as informative, which I'm thankful for. And the fact that you come to us for information, which I'm thankful for, but I'm.

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  It's a little terrifying though, right?

• 1:58:24Speaker 02

  Don't ever forget lady, I'm not a journalist.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  I'm not in, you know, the war zone. I'm a clown.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  My job is to put all this shit into a comedy machine and crank out some type of sausage and feed it to you, but it's nuts that.

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  Comedy Central, Daily Show is considered journalism.

• 1:58:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or people will stop me on the subway and go like, thank you for what you're doing. And I'm going, I'm trying to just make you laugh. Is that what you mean? It's not what they mean though. They mean like.

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  Fighting the good fight.

• 1:58:53Speaker 02

  Fighting the fight, decompressing the.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  Fascists.

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  Right. And also, also comedy, as we've talked about, is one of the only places that can challenge and speak to power, truthfully.

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• 2:00:30Joe Rogan?

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• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  Dude, that's the best.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  And then you go, "Oh, he's got a fucking point. He's got a fucking point."

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  That is the magic trick. That's the magic trick of comedy. And The Daily Show does that great. But I remember one time sitting with my wife at the Comedy Store. Tiger Woods had just like, you know, all of that. shit came out, the cheating, the voicemails. I mean, he was like, you know, maybe arguably one of the more promiscuous husbands of all time. And Burr goes up and he starts defending Tiger, right? And I'm watching, I'm feeling my wife's energy. Like, I'm like, Bill, don't do this, dude.

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  You're defending this guy who is in the heat of all the hatred. And as I watched the joke, I feel her relax. Now, at the end, she's laughing. And I'm like, you just did the fucking magic trick, dude.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  You did the trick.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  He's one of the best at it.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  You took the level of difficulty at its highest.

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  We were, all of us were against you, you did it. And that's, that's the shit, that's as close to magic as there is, man.

• 2:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a beautiful thing.

• 2:02:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  If you could turn a controversial subject into something hilarious.

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. That at least puts people's guard down for a second.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  I think they'll see through it if they feel like it's just, you're truly trying to trick him into a message. If your real goal is to entertain and laugh. That, yeah, that's, uh, you know, I, I heard, I was researching sauna stuff a lot because I was building this sauna last summer. And I read that in Finnish culture, a lot of the politicians won't even start negotiating or talking until they're like fucking scorched in the sauna. And I thought that was really interesting because comedy, you know, I don't know how truthful it is, but I know there, there is a lot of pictures of, of.

• 2:02:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a good move.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  I, I just.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Y'all suffer together?

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  Right, and it's like.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  And then you come back to being human.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  Comedy kinda does that too. It's like, if we're all laughing, we at least have that in common. If we're all sweating and, and having a hard time with this moment.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  We're, I love that. I think that's pretty cool.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  It's a human moment.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  It's a human moment.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you're literally dying.

• 2:03:15Speaker 02

  You're dying in there and.

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  You can't stay there forever.

• 2:03:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  You got about 20 minutes and then you gotta get the fuck out and you're like, whoa.

• 2:03:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  And now you can all be human together.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  There's something really.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  That's a good move.

• 2:03:26Speaker 02

  There's something really nuts to me about that, the dry heat of a sauna that I don't understand completely, but it really fixes a lot of shit in me.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  You know what another good thing about the, having the politicians go in the sauna?

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  We can kill off a lot of the old ones.

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Mitch McConnell ain't gonna make it.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  There's no fucking way.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you want.

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  There used to be a world sauna championships and then a guy died.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, they kept pouring water on it.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  On the rocks, on the rocks.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like they were pouring like a liter of water on every, I don't know.

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  What the time, but I heard that. I was like, oh, my God. And it was like 200 plus degrees and.

• 2:03:59Speaker 02

  What's your, what's your sauna, um, how like, how would you advise me to get the most out of my sauna?

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  Um.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  20 minutes?

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 20 minutes is good.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  And cool off and come back in?

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  You can if you like. I don't necessarily do that all the time. I'll do like one day a week. I go cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge, sauna. I'll go back and forth.

• 2:04:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Usually I start with sauna. I always end with cold plunge. If I do three cycles, whatever it is, you end with cold plunge.

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  Cause you want your body to fight to, to.

• 2:04:27Joe Rogan?

  To warm it back up.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  Warm it back up.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So you're just shocking the shit out of your system. Um, but the Finnish studies that have showed, uh, the more people do it, the more effective it is in terms of what they studied was they found that when people over the course of 20 years, use the sauna four times a week, they had a 40% decrease in all cause mortality.

• 2:04:47Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:04:48Joe Rogan?

  Everything, strokes, cancer, heart attack, everything. Because your body is becoming far more resilient and you're also developing all these heat shock proteins and eliminating inflammation, clearing out your system and then you're rehydrating afterwards. Very, very.

• 2:05:02Speaker 02

  And you're also not on the phone.

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes, you're also not on the phone. Uh, although I do have a Bluetooth speaker in there.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  Um, you can get some Bluetooth speakers that's, I got one called Not a Brick. It's a really good one. You can take the heat of a sauna.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, yeah.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  And so I listen to like books on tape when I'm stretching, sweating my brains out.

• 2:05:18Speaker 02

  I was in my sauna all by myself and it's very quiet. I'm in the woods in Pennsylvania and this fucking buck just walks right in front. And it was just me and him. I don't know if he saw her or smelled or whatever, but it was like crazy.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  Just to wa- you know what? That's like. What's it called? I'm not a hunter. What's it called when you just kinda go to watch and see where they're gonna be? Is that called something?

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, observation.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Nature.

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  It was like, yeah, just opening your eyes, but that's, it was wild to see that.

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's cool, isn't it?

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  Very cool, very, very cool.

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Wildlife is wild, and especially if you don't expect it. Like, you're sitting in the sauna and a deer's right there. What's going on here?

• 2:05:57Speaker 00

  I read a article about the government doing it there. They apparently drink alcohol in the sauna.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  It's not a weird idea, but... They get drunk before they go in.

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  I like that, too.

• 2:06:08Speaker 00

  They drink in there.

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  A long drink, iconic Finnish gin mixed drink that's basically a Tom Collins in a can, but way better because it's being sipped in a sauna with newfound sauna friends. That's cool.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  That is cool.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  That's a great move. Yeah, like, something that makes you more human. You suffer together.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're, and you, you also are, yeah, you're focusing on a thing that isn't this result that we need or want.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this should probably take all the congresspeople and make them run a tough mutter together. You know, go through the mud, fucking climb ropes and shit, go over obstacle courses.

• 2:06:37Speaker 02

  That'd be great. I've actually found, my wife and I, when we do a sauna, you know, there's always stuff you gotta talk about with the family, logistics, there's always things to argue about, but we'll go in there, we should both start sweating, and then it's kind of just like, eases the tone. Eases the conversation.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:52Speaker 02

  Which is helpful.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no one's real loud in the sauna. Yeah, and you just chill. You're both suffering together.

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, just suffering, yeah. That's interesting.

• 2:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's, it should be a part of everybody's life. And there's, by the way, if you can't afford it, they make a sauna blanket that is one of our sponsors. It's really good. I've used that thing before. It's great. You just climb inside this fucking blanket and you could bring it on the road with you.

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  And it's sweating, you sweat it off?

• 2:07:16Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't weigh that much. You carry it and it'll heat you the fuck up and it'll give you the heat shock proteins. I like a dry sauna better. I like being in a sauna, but if you wanna like, travel or if you wanna, if you don't have the resources or a place for it, those things are great. Hot baths are great, too. Hot baths after workouts, supposed to increase muscle.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  It's tough to find sauna, though, in a lot of American cities. When I go on the road, I'm always trying to find. Cold tubs are more frequent now.

• 2:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  They're more frequent now, but it's hard to...

• 2:07:50Joe Rogan?

  You know the way to do the cold plunge is you do it before you work out? That's the real move.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  Oh, no shit.

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that really increases testosterone, too. And also, it increases your work output because your muscles are like pre-chilled.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  I would think it would be, it would be easy to get injured after.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  No, you just warm up.

• 2:08:04Speaker 02

  You just warm up.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  You warm up. So I go through a series of things that I do that are like pretty low intensity. I do twenty kettlebell swings, and then I do twenty pushups, then I do twenty bodyweight squats. And I do a cycle of five.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  It gets you warm.

• 2:08:19Joe Rogan?

  So I do a hundred swings, a hundred pushups, a hundred bodyweight squats. And by the time of that, that's like probably fifteen minutes. By the time that's over, I'm sweaty, I'm ready to go. And then I go into everything else.

• 2:08:29Speaker 02

  Dude, I want to show you this picture. I know that, uh, you know, this lake house I have.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Uh, New Year's Eve. I don't want to kill our time with this, but when do you get to show Joe Rogan this pic? So let me find it.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  This is New Year's Eve, dude. Cut a hole in the lake.

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  With an axe. And I'm just in the lake. Try to do three minutes. There's a safety rope, which I don't know if that could even even help me if I fucking pass out, but.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  That's nice.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Uh, doing a cold plunge in nature.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  Not just a tub, love the tub, too, but man, I fucking love it.

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  I was in, um.

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  I feel amazing after that.

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Utah, and they had a creek running through a glacier creek, freezing cold.

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:16Joe Rogan?

  I climbed in that bitch, my underwear, and got up to my neck.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  That's, that's good stuff.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  It's nice. It's like something about doing it in nature, too. It's like you're even more connected to everything.

• 2:09:25Speaker 02

  Oh, totally.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, very cool.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Just get in that cold water and breathe.

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  I get like a weird, a weird high after, for sure.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. It lasts for hours.

• 2:09:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  It increases your dopamine by two hundred percent. And it lasts for hours.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  So why is it that healthier than doing a drug that increases your dopamine?

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, because it's natural.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  Natural.

• 2:09:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's natural. And also, it's like it gives you something in terms of mental resilience. It gives you like an exercise. That exercise.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Right, correct, yeah.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  It's very difficult, especially for the first minute. It's hard. First minute, your body's like, let's get the fuck out of here. And it keeps talking to you, and you're like, shut up, bitch.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:03Joe Rogan?

  And then after a minute, that calms down, and you can breathe clean. You, you start getting those rhythmic breaths in and out, and just keep your shit together for three minutes. And then when you get out, you're like.

• 2:10:14Speaker 02

  That's what you do typically three minutes?

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, one, there's the feeling like I did it, which feels great, like I didn't bitch out. I actually did the three minutes. But then there's like this euphoric feeling as your body just, your norepinephrine, your dopamine, everything elevates, you just feel wonderful.

• 2:10:30Speaker 02

  Patients too, my patients is killer.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:32Speaker 02

  Kids, I'm smiling more, oh, that's fine, you can draw on the wall, yeah, whatever.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  It's like that part of your brain got exhausted. The part of your brain that's dealing with like real adversity. So like little kids adversity is nothing.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 2:10:45Joe Rogan?

  You're not freezing to death, they're just like, yeah, it's my crayon. They're like, come on guys, let's get along.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  I, it's been a super benefit to me. The problem living in New York is I don't get to cold plunge as much as I want to, but.

• 2:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have stuff that you could do, like, you know, you could do it in your tub if you can get ice.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  Ice, do the ice thing.

• 2:11:03Joe Rogan?

  And they also have these coolers that you can plug in and you could do like, uh, if you have like one of those big Yeti coolers. You can climb in that and you'll put a hose in there and a cooler and it'll bring that down to like 40 degrees. And you can just get in like a Yeti cooler.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet, I bet you could do it in a bathtub too. I bet they, they figured out how to attach an engine to that.

• 2:11:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:11:26Joe Rogan?

  Do they have one? Yeah, they do have one. Yeah, Jamie knows it. So how's it work?

• 2:11:31Speaker 00

  I'll show you, but there's just like a little motor thing you attach.

• 2:11:33Joe Rogan?

  So that's perfect, like if you just have a bathtub, you're golden.

• 2:11:36Speaker 02

  Can actually do that.

• 2:11:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you live in an apartment that has a tub, you have a cold plunge now. Or if you don't have that, get yourself a Yeti cooler. Yeti makes some giant ass coolers, like from people hunt caribou and shit.

• 2:11:47Speaker 00

  I just typed in bathtub cold plungers.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there it is.

• 2:11:49Speaker 00

  One, two.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  So you just have this thing, it plugs in, it cools everything off. And you climb it, how cold does that, does that motherfucker get? 39 degrees, perfect.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  It's crazy that now.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Never buy ice again, two year warranty.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  We're, we're such comfort zones as humans now that we have to pay $800 to cool our water to get into it.

• 2:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a bit of an issue.

• 2:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're pussies.

• 2:12:11Speaker 02

  We're pussies now.

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  We've made life very easy, which is wonderful. It's better than being hard. I don't want to live in the fucking gladiator days.

• 2:12:17Speaker 02

  That's what the point was, is to make it easy. Tap food and sugar and fat readily available at all times.

• 2:12:23Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to carry a sword with you everywhere.

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  Dude, I love going to the, um. Natural History Museum in New York and look, go into the armor?

• 2:12:31Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:12:32Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ, it's like what these motherfuckers had to wear and use and carry?

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that?

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

  To defend themselves is nuts.

• 2:12:40Joe Rogan?

  From, uh, I think it's Waterloo, one of the, one of the battles, uh, one of, uh, one of the French soldiers got hit with a cannonball in the chest. And they have the armor that has the hole in the chest, like in the cannonball out the back exploding outward.

• 2:12:56Speaker 02

  Oh my god, dude.

• 2:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's from the Battle of Waterloo. That guy got hit with a cannonball in the chest.

• 2:13:04Speaker 02

  And I bet you his armor salesman was like, "I'm gonna upsell this guy on..." And he's like, "No, I don't want the upsell." And that's, he should, he should've.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Monsieur, I'm telling you, this armor, no cannonball.

• 2:13:14Speaker 02

  That is-

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Went right through him.

• 2:13:16Speaker 02

  That is a great reminder of what society and life used to be like.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  God damn, man. Look at that one, on the, the other one, Jamie. No, but the one to the left where you see the exit, right to the left of that, yeah, right there. You see the exit hole?

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:13:31Joe Rogan?

  Boom. Blew right through this guy's body, his armor, his chest, out the back.

• 2:13:37Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  The size of a fucking softball. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.

• 2:13:44Speaker 02

  That's super fucked up.

• 2:13:45Joe Rogan?

  That was life back then. It's better-

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  And that's a guy that could've, that had armor, that's probably a, a high, high-ranking person, yeah, right, right.

• 2:13:52Joe Rogan?

  He got, he got hit.

• 2:13:54Speaker 02

  He got fucked up.

• 2:13:55Joe Rogan?

  That's rap, son. But you gotta think that those people would have much rather lived today with all this comfort. Oh my god.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  The problem is you just can't rely on it too much. You can't live for comfort. That's stupid. You gotta have voluntary discomfort.

• 2:14:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  That'll help you get through this life.

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  That's a good way to put it, that those people would pick today for sure.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  You know, I went, you know, I, I remember like, I went to the Museum of Medical Oddities in Philadelphia. And they were doing a whole thing on dysentery. And it was like, oh. Most people in the Civil War died of that.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Speaker 02

  They didn't die of like wounds and it was like wild that, of course, if you were a soldier today, you don't, you don't die of dysentery. That's insane.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:46Speaker 02

  But they would put the kitchen near the toilet and it was like.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  And what kind of water are you drinking?

• 2:14:52Speaker 02

  Water and all that shit, so.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  There's no iodine tablets back then.

• 2:14:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  No Steri pens to.

• 2:14:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Clean your water.

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  What's the, what's the one I used? I did the Appalachian Trail last year, not all.

• 2:15:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you really?

• 2:15:03Speaker 02

  Just a few days and I forget the thing I would filter the water with. It was great. Man, there's such cool stuff like that now.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. There's great stuff.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  Millions of those things.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that'll filter water and make it drinkable.

• 2:15:14Speaker 02

  And there's all these cool Appalachian Trail communities that leave stuff for people along the trail.

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:15:22Speaker 02

  So it's like, I remember I was just like dying. I'm like, no more snacks. Blood sugar's dropping. I have water, but it's just like, I'm in it. I'm doing the difficult thing. And then you get to this cooler and it's like from this Appalachian Trail Club and it's just like gummy bears in there.

• 2:15:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  That's cool. That's cool that they have that set up.

• 2:15:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:40Joe Rogan?

  But it's a weird thing to choose to do, to go for a long walk.

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  That doesn't appeal to.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  On a trail filled with serial killers.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  I mean, there, there are some famous murders that have happened on the Appalachian Trail. But I, I felt very safe.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Did you?

• 2:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I've, I love the idea. I was alone. I love the idea of finding a place to sleep that's in the middle of nowhere. I love that shit.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I'd be super nervous. Something about the woods.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:16:05Joe Rogan?

  The woods are dangerous at night.

• 2:16:07Speaker 02

  Here's what's cra- here's what's crazy about the Appalachian Trail, at least where I was in Jersey. Most of the time I had cell service.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  So I'm like in my tent, answering texts and I'm.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  That is kinda crazy.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  But you know what, you know what started that for me was during COVID. Uh, my wife got me this week with Jordan Jonas in the survival. Uh, you know, he, Jordan Jonas won, won alone.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  He's been on the podcast.

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, been on the podcast.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  He's been on the podcast before.

• 2:16:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. Right.

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  One lost. Shot a moose with a bow and arrow.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  I think he killed a Wolverine with his.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  With a hatchet.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, with a hatchet.

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  Stealing his meat.

• 2:16:42Speaker 02

  So, my wife bought me a week with the survival camp with him and a bunch of other people. And it was just like, one of the things, then one of the conclusions I and we came to while we were up in the Bitterroot Mountains of Idaho, was at least once a year, we all need to be doing something where we are embedded with nature. And this might sound silly to somebody who goes hunting or someone who's already doing this, but if you're living a city life.

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  Going to the park is not really experiencing nature.

• 2:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is a little.

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  Tiny bit.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's nature. I mean, it's contained nature, but it's real nature. You see squirrels and birds. It's good for you.

• 2:17:18Speaker 02

  There's ticks.

• 2:17:19Joe Rogan?

  It's good for you to sit under a tree.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  There's ticks. There are ticks.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  There are ticks, man. Ticks are wild.

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Fleas, ticks. Your dog's gonna get fleas. Yeah, ticks are a bitch, especially on the east coast because of Lyme disease.

• 2:17:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  Which, uh, turns out was man-made.

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Turns out, there's a lot of real evidence that Lyme disease was, uh, it was weaponized and that it leaked out of a lab and it came out of a lab called Plum Island.

• 2:17:44Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 2:17:45Joe Rogan?

  Which was close to Lyme, Connecticut. And RFK Junior firmly believes that this was a weapons program. And what they were gonna do is develop these fleas and ticks with a disease that spreads rapidly, wipes out the medical system of a community. So you could dump them from a plane. Everybody gets infected, overwhelms their medical system, and then they're more vulnerable if you wanna attack them.

• 2:18:10Speaker 02

  That just doesn't seem very thought through, though.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some less thought through ones. There's one that they were developing at one point in time, I don't know where they got with it, but there was talk of them developing a bomb that they would detonate over cities that would blind everybody.

• 2:18:24Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 2:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that. Imagine you, you detonate that and then you have 300,000 blind people.

• 2:18:34Speaker 02

  Isn't it amazing what we can do in a positive light and also what we can do in a negative light?

• 2:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we're scary. And we're scary in our ability to justify these things.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's what's really crazy.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  We're scary in our ability to to decide that these people are the other, so we should bomb them into oblivion. And like, yeah, we're winning. Like, oh, my god. Like, what are you talking about? You don't even know those people.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  The other is a is a um effective strategy.

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's built in to our our tribal mindset.

• 2:19:06Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We had Daryl Cooper on the podcast yesterday, who's uh, he runs a podcast called Martyr Made. And one of the things he talked about was oxytocin. And he was like, it's really interesting because oxytocin makes you really deeply love your family and your community. And this is what women get when they have children, and men get, and when you're in love and this, but it also makes you very hostile to outsiders.

• 2:19:31Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:19:31Joe Rogan?

  It's like it protects the the people that are you love and that are vulnerable, but it makes you very protective

• 2:19:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:39Joe Rogan?

  of the outside. So like you, you are less likely to trust strangers, less likely to trust other people.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  And it probably served an enormously benefi- is probably very beneficial.

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  In the caveman days, you had to have it.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:54Joe Rogan?

  You had to have it. There was no friendly people coming over with spears. You know, they found you and you had women and food. Like, you're fucked.

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:20:02Joe Rogan?

  And that was most of our evolutionary existence. Most of the time, from leaving the savannas and, you know, experimenting with different foods and becoming human beings, we were fighting.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  And that's gotta be undone, as long as it took to make that, which is very long time.

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  That's being undone. Yeah.

• 2:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, slowly but surely. And with if we all give in to our god AI, we will be fine. We all just need to submit to the chip and become a part of the hive mind, and everyone's gonna read each other's minds. There'll be no more secrets, and there will be no more, no more violence.

• 2:20:36Speaker 02

  They really want us to do AI.

• 2:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, everybody does.

• 2:20:40Speaker 02

  It is like

• 2:20:41Joe Rogan?

  It's inevitable, man.

• 2:20:42Speaker 02

  I know, but even even I write an email now, and it's like, you want us to polish this thing? And it's like, I don't even want you anywhere near me.

• 2:20:49Joe Rogan?

  Right. I know. Well, you know, Samsung, they're they were the first to

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  wheel out AI with their Galaxy S24 Ultra. I have two phones. I have an iPhone and I have a Galaxy phone. And what I really like about the Galaxy phone is if I use Samsung's browser, I can go on websites and it gives me a summary. So instead of like reading this long winded blah blah blah, tell me what you figured out.

• 2:21:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  And then I can get a summary and then I get in, oh, they've realized that Earth is actually blah blah blah blah.

• 2:21:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, cool. It's like quicker.

• 2:21:21Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:21:22Joe Rogan?

  It also does a lot of things. It transcribes things, it translates things in other languages, translates it directly into your ear if you have the Galaxy earbuds.

• 2:21:31Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:21:31Joe Rogan?

  Pretty fucking crazy.

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's wild shit, man. And this is just the beginning of this stuff.

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Essentially, when you have ChatGPT or Grok on your phone, you have access to the most insane amount of answering power that a human being's ever experienced.

• 2:21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  We could ask it questions about what was the reason why Columbus, blah.

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:54Joe Rogan?

  And then it'll give you a fucking historical detailed five thousand word essay on what went down. You're like, this is nuts.

• 2:22:00Speaker 02

  But it's only as good as the food it's been fed, correct?

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why Google had abandoned theirs.

• 2:22:07Speaker 02

  Cause it kept me, oh yeah, was that the like, uh, show me a Nazi or whatever? And it was like a beautiful black woman or something?

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a Native American woman Nazi. It was a Chinese lady Nazi.

• 2:22:18Speaker 02

  We covered that on the show. That was a trip.

• 2:22:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but that was just a good example of wokeness, um, and ideology interfering with information. Like, that's crazy. Nazis look like German men. Make them look like German men, you fucking idiots.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  This is dumb. But this like.

• 2:22:33Speaker 02

  But that won't, they won't say bye bye. They'll just come back with a newer version that doesn't do that.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, they did. They certainly did. Did. I mean, Google Gemini is, uh, one of the search engines. I mean, if you have an Android phone and you press that button and you ask Google a question, it's Google Gemini. So they've fixed that.

• 2:22:47Speaker 02

  They've fixed that.

• 2:22:48Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, how much did you fix it? Did you get it out a hundred percent? Is this objective information? If I, if I want to ask a question about a controversial subject, will you give me the real data?

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Or will you give me some whitewashed bullshit version of it that's supposed to be acceptable today? Like, I want to know what's going on.

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  My Wikipedia page has said that I'm Greek for as long as I'm alive. Greek women show up to my shows. These beautiful Greek women.

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  They like you.

• 2:23:13Speaker 02

  They have dessert.

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  Greek people, uh. It's never, no one's ever fucking checked. I'm not Greek. And

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  But Kostas is such a Greek name.

• 2:23:23Speaker 02

  It makes perfect sense. It's, it's fits with the ideology or the idea that, you know.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  And somebody wrote an article once that I was Greek. No, you know, it was like a blog, this showed a picture of me. And no one checked. And it's just, it's just kept spiraling. And it's like really funny for me after the show, these beautiful Greek people come up and they say, we're so happy. And I, and they say, where are your parents from and all this shit? And I go, we're fucking Ukrainian. I don't want them to tell you, you know? Thanks, thanks for the dessert. But

• 2:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Did they get a sourpuss?

• 2:23:52Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Did they get a sourpuss? Like, you're not Greek?

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  Or they'll be like, no, what's funny is they'll go like, no, he is. You know, like, like you are one of us. But the internet isn't always right, everybody. It's not, it's, it's not, it's lots of times it's wrong.

• 2:24:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, the internet is filled with purposeful misinformation today, too.

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:08Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you get on social media.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  Holy shit, man.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  So much of what social media is, is bots. And I don't think people even really truly understand it. We've covered it many times before, but there was an FBI, uh, former FBI agent who examined Twitter interactions and he, he estimated as much as 80% of it is bots.

• 2:24:27Speaker 02

  Fake bullshit.

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  This is like when Elon was buying it and they were trying to say it was 5%. Because there's no way it's 5%, because if you're an out of state actor, if you're an out of state actor from another country, you're from China, Russia, and you're involved in misinformation campaigns, you're gonna be well sourced. You're gonna be well resourced. You're gonna probably have thousands and millions of accounts. Who knows? You're gonna carpet bomb any sort of controversial subject with all sorts of propaganda. Of course they're gonna do that. Of course. And right now, that's totally doable. Until you all submit to AI. Once you put the chip in your brain, then deception will be impossible. We will eliminate one of the biggest problems in society. You just have to take the leap of faith. And there'll be like an infomercial, the leap of faith.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  And then you see the guy sitting there.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  Dude, it's always like the, the image of AI, it's always like a door is opening and it's bright light and I know.

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Come to Jesus. Yeah, it's tricky because it's inevitable. They can't not do it because China's gonna do it. The power that AI is gonna have over populations and with the distribution of information is gonna be unprecedented. Also, you're never gonna know what's real and what's not in terms of like news stories. Cause they'll be able to concoct fake news stories that will be indistinguishable.

• 2:25:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  It'll look just like a real plane crash. It'll look like a real missile hit something. It'll look like things and it won't have ever happened and you won't be able to know. And it's gonna get weird. It's gonna get real weird. We've already seen AI versions of Obama talking, saying things he never said. There's AI versions of Trump giving speeches he never gave. There's AI versions of me having a podcast with Steve Jobs. And this was a while ago.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  Shit, yeah, those deep fakes. I mean, there's like the funny one of Trump rubbing Elon's feet.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  But it's like, those are like so obviously a joke, but it's, it's, uh.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  They're good though.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  They had the Biden voice calling people and, and.

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of AI ladies now that are on Instagram.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 2:26:26Joe Rogan?

  That you look at the images, you're like, oh, this isn't a real person.

• 2:26:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  They have the same smile in every picture and they're all in different places and, and people are like, you know, contacting them and DMing them and they'll probably responding and probably telling you about their grandma's sick and get some money.

• 2:26:40Speaker 02

  Right, right, get some money. Yeah, it's not as clear as like, oh, they have three breasts. This is, this is fake.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, is this AI, oh, this is a guy.

• 2:26:47Speaker 02

  With a webcam.

• 2:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow, this is crazy.

• 2:26:51Speaker 02

  Look at the eyes, you know, it kinda reminds me of like the, uh, my kids watch these shows and the eyes are always so big cause the kids pay attention to that.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  That is weird.

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  She is, she is pretty.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  She's beautiful and it's a dude. It's a dude on OnlyFans, so that dude will have like beautiful tits and be able to show you the.

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  Which is sucks because then everybody's jerking off to that and then.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that better than exploitation? I think it is.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  It's better than exploitation, yes.

• 2:27:16Joe Rogan?

  So there you go, it's better than real women doing it.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  He's not gonna think his wife is as beautiful because he's been jerking, you know, but.

• 2:27:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, there's those problems.

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  But yes, but you're right, that's better than exploitation.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  You both have to put the headgear on that we both. She's having sex with Brad Pitt. You're having sex with Angelina Jolie.

• 2:27:31Speaker 00

  This account is that. It's 1.7 million followers.

• 2:27:34Joe Rogan?

  And it's totally fake lady.

• 2:27:36Speaker 00

  I think so.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look. You see her feet?

• 2:27:38Speaker 00

  She posts tweets that are, you know, talking shit, jokes, memes and stuff. But then there's a bunch of pictures of this fake person.

• 2:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:27:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:46Speaker 00

  It's weird.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  It is weird, man, and it's gonna get weirder. And you're gonna have AI presidential candidates. AI is gonna tell you that we can solve all the world's problems if we just eliminate human interaction. And just let this brilliant AI govern everything and do it in a much more equitable manner.

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I'm fearful that I don't even know the language to help my kids figure this shit out.

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, because the language hasn't even really been spoken yet.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  I mean, I love to, I love to advocate for media literacy, push for that, teaching all of us what a more reputable website is or a news source. But that just feels cute compared to

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  What's coming.

• 2:28:33Speaker 02

  what the language of an AI president who offers all solutions. I don't know how to combat that.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but an AI that's attached to quantum computing.

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:43Joe Rogan?

  So, once they figure out a way to actually program quantum computing to run AI, you're gonna have a god.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  You are. You're gonna have a god. I mean, Marc Andreessen, and I've said this before, I apologize, but Marc Andreessen had a quote about an equation that quantum computing was able to solve, that if you took the entire universe, every molecule, every atom in the universe, and you converted that into a supercomputer, the entire universe would die of heat death before it could solve this problem. And quantum computing solved it in minutes.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  And the only thing that makes sense to them is that quantum computing is somehow or another tapping into the multiverse. And it's solving this equation using multiple universes and the information available in multiple universes simultaneously.

• 2:29:43Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:29:43Speaker 02

  I know, it's hard to even like, track.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and this is just the version of it that we have in 2025.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  Right, that we have right now, right.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  And so this is an actual thing that's happened. And so, most people aren't even aware what quantum computing means. So, once this becomes not just one of these, but hundreds of these, and then they're scalable and they're attached to nuclear reactors, which is what they're proposing. They're gonna have their own nuclear reactors, multiple nuclear reactors, as power sources. Because these things require insane amounts of power to run. Then, the quantum computing, once it becomes sentient, is gonna develop a much better version of itself.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  And that's gonna scale up, and it's gonna like, poof.

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  But you know what we're always gonna need? Plumbing? Carpentry? That's why all this shit feels so intimidating, cuz I can never wrap my head around that, but maybe we should be learning real skills and trades.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would be nice for people.

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  For people.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  But people are gonna be obsolete.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's really what's happening, is we're giving birth to a digital life form that's far superior. And doesn't have all the requirements that we have, and also doesn't have all the flaws that we have.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have greed, and anger, and all the stupid things that we have.

• 2:30:57Speaker 02

  Doesn't get tired.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, doesn't get jealous, doesn't have lust, doesn't have jealousy and envy. Isn't, you know, depressed.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  I think we're far away from that.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably a couple of weeks.

• 2:31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, once it happens, it's gonna be so fast.

• 2:31:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be so hard to track. If you think like, the Industrial Revolution, like comparatively, if you look at like, the history of the human race, you go from Stone Age people to Bronze Age, you go through all the different wars, all the different cra-. And then, in the last 200 years, everything changes radically.

• 2:31:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Radically, and in the last 20 years, information changes radically. This is gonna be like, 20 seconds. This is gonna like, one day.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  It's up, it's up and running, and it's completely in control of everything. Completely in control of power, completely in control of information, completely in control of transportation.

• 2:32:00Speaker 02

  Water distribution.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Every car you have on the road today that's, you know, within the last 15, 20 years, has computers in it.

• 2:32:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:09Speaker 02

  Our, our car got totally dismantled because a rat ate a wire.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that happens.

• 2:32:17Speaker 02

  That fed to the computer.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  Everything mechanical was, was, was great.

• 2:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  But it's like, oh, this shit can't even come close to running without the, the screen and the software.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:29Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, I remember I almost bought a 1968 Dodge Dart when I lived in LA. I, I lifted up the hood as if I had any clue what I was looking at. But there's just like an engine and a hose.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:32:39Speaker 02

  It's so fucking perfect.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  Engine, carburetor.

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Carburetor.

• 2:32:43Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:45Speaker 02

  And now literally the mechanic goes, let me show you the wire. And he shows me the wire. It's all bitten with these little tiny rat teeth because they make the wire out of soy. And then he takes me to the back to this enormous dumpster and it's just filled with these little electronic wires of everybody in New York that had rats eating their shit.

• 2:33:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. They make them out of soy.

• 2:33:07Speaker 02

  I don't know why they would do that, but maybe because we subsidize soybean farmers?

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 2:33:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. Probably.

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  How weird that the rats know that it's food.

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  Or that they figured it out that it's food. Or it doesn't, isn't really food, but it smells like food and they bite into it and they realize this shit sucks. It's an electrical wire.

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  They can eat everything though. They eat each other. I had a, a rat problem in my house once when I lived in Encino. And I set a rat trap in my garage.

• 2:33:34Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  And I killed this big fat rat and I was tired. I was like, I don't feel like cleaning this fucking rat right now. I'm gonna go to sleep. And I heard the snap and I went out there. He's a big fucker. He was a big.

• 2:33:44Speaker 02

  The rat traps are no joke.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  So I got up in the morning and went out to clean the rat trap and he was gone.

• 2:33:50Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  The only thing that was left was his tail. They had eaten everything. There was like some skin and hair, but his entire body the rats consumed.

• 2:34:00Speaker 02

  They ate their buddy.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  They ate their buddy. Yeah.

• 2:34:02Speaker 02

  That is fucked up.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  It was fucked up. And it made me realize like, oh God. Like this is the reality of what this is. These aren't just rodents. These are fucking cannibals.

• 2:34:12Speaker 02

  It's like that, when that rugby team crashed in the mountains and they were like, should we start eating each other? And their religion comes into play and they talk about it and they vote about it, but the rats are just like, fucking eat it.

• 2:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just go right to it.

• 2:34:23Speaker 02

  They go right to it.

• 2:34:24Joe Rogan?

  They didn't even wait a day.

• 2:34:25Speaker 02

  Dude, the rats in New York City have just.

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:28Speaker 02

  Covid opened the door because everything was shut, all the trash was out.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  They were everywhere.

• 2:34:33Speaker 02

  They went everywhere and then they still are running, they're still running shit and it's not, it's, it's not enjoyable.

• 2:34:38Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the documentary on Netflix?

• 2:34:40Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Rats?

• 2:34:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. It talks about how many rats there are in New York City.

• 2:34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, like eight, eight per person or some shit?

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  Something crazy like that, like the biomass is similar, like the humans and rats, like the amount of humans there are, the, the weight of the humans is very similar to the, roughly.

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  The amount of rats. There, there's fucking millions of them underground, they, they live in these little

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  tunnels and, and they just fucking feed off our garbage.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  I mean, I remember before Covid, I would stand on the subway platform at my, at my train stop and I would watch the rats on the, on the tracks and then the train would come and they would scurry because they'd feel the train coming. Now, they just step off like an inch and the train goes right past them, but they're close. Like they've just got like more confidence and like more intelligent. More bold. More bold, more intelligent.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, probably the food ran dry during Covid, so they had to get like a little hyper aggressive.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  I don't know what, I don't know what, but it's, yeah, it's, and they're eating your car.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Such creeps. I parked in, uh, New York once to get gas. This is in the nineties before cell phones and, uh, I went to, uh, a payphone to make a phone call and I was watching the rats while my car was filling up with gas, jumping on the wheel, climbing into the wheel wells.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  Just trying to figure shit out.

• 2:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Just jumping all over the outside of my car. I was like, what the fuck?

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  And that's the nineties.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  That's the nineties.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  It's like way, how many, what, how many did they have then? And they've probably exponentially expanded.

• 2:36:06Speaker 02

  So what, what, are they just so good at reproducing? They're just that good at it, huh?

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're really clever too. One of the things they show in this documentary is when they put poison in these like areas where these rats are, they send some young stupid rat to go test it and they sit back and watch.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  That's fucked up.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  And this young stupid rat eats it and you watch. And I go, yeah, all right. And then they go eat that rat that died.

• 2:36:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're clever little fuckers.

• 2:36:31Speaker 02

  I remember, I thought that's how coyotes hunted, like, cause I've got, we used to golf in Griffith Park in LA and you would see one coyote and I learned like, the pack would send out one.

• 2:36:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:41Speaker 02

  Go look.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do it to get dogs. That's how they get dogs. And the dog will run and then a bunch of other ones will pile on to them. Yeah.

• 2:36:50Speaker 02

  That's fucked up.

• 2:36:51Speaker 00

  Horror movie? Sorry, I actually put it on screen on accident before.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Rats Night of Terror nineteen eighty-four?

• 2:36:56Speaker 00

  It's so fucking goofy.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it was, was a goofy ass shit.

• 2:36:59Joe Rogan?

  It looks hilarious.

• 2:37:00Speaker 00

  It's a claw of her mouth.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's clawing out of her mouth. Oh my god.

• 2:37:07Speaker 02

  Rats Night of Terror. Yeah, they've always been a fucking terrifying animal, man. They've always been terrifying. Actually, roaches freak me out more, but rats I at least can sympathize with and understand that they're like, living beings with, you know, families and shit, but roaches though, I don't know, man. That's just, the way they fucking are so quiet, you don't even know they're there.

• 2:37:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's just, that's the thing about cities, they're just infested by all these parasites that live off of the city. You know, and essentially rats, you know, if the city didn't exist, there was no way there would be that many rats in an area.

• 2:37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:43Joe Rogan?

  They only exist in a place that doesn't have anything that eats them. They don't, you know, they've tunneled under so they protect themselves from raptors. So there's no birds that fly down and snatch them up. There's no, there are coyotes in New York City, but there's not nearly enough to deal with the amount of fucking rats that are there. It's gross.

• 2:37:59Speaker 02

  Did you ever see that movie Dark Days about the people that lived in the subway tunnels?

• 2:38:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  That's a fucking wild movie.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  It's like Vegas, right?

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  It was in New York, I believe.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  But some of these motherfuckers were like, running an extension cord like five hundred feet.

• 2:38:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had like opened wires up and spliced into things, like.

• 2:38:18Speaker 02

  And it's like, you know.

• 2:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have generators down there.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  Watching TV and shit.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Bizarre, man. I mean, what a fuck, what keeps you going? You know, there's like wealthy people that are committing suicide.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And these motherfuckers are like grinding. I mean, this is like.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  In the tunnels, man.

• 2:38:33Speaker 02

  This is deep in the tunnels and, you know, anyone, anyone who's lived in, uh, New York City, you, you, you look down those tunnels and you go, what's down there, man?

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Right. And every now and then kids go, let's go look.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Oh, this, that's the only part of the trailer they show. That's fascinating.

• 2:38:46Joe Rogan?

  There's good monster movies that take place in tunnels too.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's always like, you wonder what's down there. Yeah, it's be a good, wasn't that like the strain, wasn't that part of the vampire lore that they they lived in the tunnels?

• 2:38:57Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know, but tunnels are creepy, man.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  When you cross into complete darkness, this-

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  Cities are creepy. You stack all those people on top of each other like that and everybody's just walking down the street together and going down alleyways and, you know, and then the cities today are so much safer than they ever were in the past.

• 2:39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, who the fuck wanted to live in the cities in like seventeen hundreds?

• 2:39:18Speaker 02

  Dude, and like the this, they were just like a trough for sewage and then like people would die of the plague and they would just throw them in the street. I know, I never-

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you live in the city now?

• 2:39:30Speaker 02

  I live in Brooklyn now, yeah, so it's kind of like city, well, no, it is the city, but it's not like Manhattan on top of each other.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Do you live in hipster Brooklyn?

• 2:39:37Speaker 02

  I live-

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Does hipster Brooklyn exist anymore?

• 2:39:39Speaker 02

  Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, which is becoming hipster. Yeah, it's becoming hipster.

• 2:39:42Joe Rogan?

  That was where Mike Tyson grew up.

• 2:39:44Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  They gentrified the shit out of that place, huh?

• 2:39:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's on its way. It's on it, it's on its way and, uh, it's not full hipster.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Are there hipsters anymore? Well, I was just reading something like that about like the people that dress like, you know, they were like a, like a postal employee from the seventeen hundreds?

• 2:40:06Speaker 02

  I always, my definition of a hipster was always like, dad's money, dressed like they don't have money.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, there's that too, but there's also the hipsters that would dress with like curly mustaches and bow ties. Yeah, those guys.

• 2:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's not Bed-Stuy yet. That that's Williamsburg.

• 2:40:24Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of died off, though. Hasn't that look kind of died off? It has, right?

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  It's died off. I would say what's more common is the is the gender androgyny dressing.

• 2:40:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  You know, that's-

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a good move. You can get a lot of pussy that way.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  That's a, that's a big Brooklyn, that's a big Brooklyn move, but-

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:44Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, it's a great, I mean, it's great for comedy.

• 2:40:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  Walking around Brooklyn, the shit you see, you know, last January, our front door was broken, didn't lock all the way. It was broken for eighteen hours, okay? No one knows it's broken. Just, just our building, it's only three apartments. Somebody checks the door. It's not locked. They go up to our hallway. They steal all my family's winter coats, including mine. Okay, this is the heart of January. So we were, as a family, we wake up, let's go to the park, let's do whatever. We open the door where we kept our coats in the hallway. Everything's gone. So it's like, holy shit, it's the middle of January, all their shit's gone.

• 2:41:25Speaker 02

  I call the detective, the cops come, whatever. He's like, these motherfuckers walk up and down the street every night checking for every door just to see if something is broken. Year and a half later, I've been looking for this one coat that I love, the Scotch and Soda multi-color pattern coat. I love it. I'm just looking online for my coat, right? Someone's gotta sell my coat. So I find it on Poshmark. The coat, I don't know if it's my coat, but it's the exact same coat, which you can't find at Scotch and Soda anymore. I buy it. It comes from my neighborhood, from a woman. She sends it to me. I put it on. My wife is like, that is your coat. Hundred percent, that's your coat. So I fucking bought my coat back from the person that stole it, most likely.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who the lady is?

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  I don't. I did a Google search and nothing really came up. And I was just like, how hard do I want to fight this?

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  At least you got your coat back.

• 2:42:15Speaker 02

  I got my coat back.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  That's just like the price you pay for living in Brooklyn.

• 2:42:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like, it's winter. And I feel part of me is like, holy shit, someone had to steal our coats?

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:26Speaker 02

  That sucks.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:27Speaker 02

  I've never even, like,

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:29Speaker 02

  I've never even thought about not having a coat.

• 2:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Having to steal coats.

• 2:42:32Speaker 02

  I have a coat. I have multiple coats. So there's a part of me that was just like, come ask, I'll give you a fucking coat. But,

• 2:42:39Joe Rogan?

  And the part of you was like, oh, they're selling them online.

• 2:42:42Speaker 02

  Fuck you, that's my coat.

• 2:42:43Joe Rogan?

  They're making a profit. It's like, that's the difference between like the heartfelt, you know, compassionate view, like, oh, these poor people, they have to steal coats. Then you're like, oh, actually, they're selling it, so they're getting fucking heroin money.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  Well. If that, that's the case, that sucks.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it does suck.

• 2:42:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sucks.

• 2:42:59Joe Rogan?

  It does suck. Yeah, it's a weird thing about living in large communities of people like that. There's just too many variables.

• 2:43:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  A lot of variables that are not good.

• 2:43:08Speaker 02

  And like, one person affects so many.

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:43:12Speaker 02

  The one guy on my street that doesn't do a good job with the trash. It gets knocked over, the wind blows it, the rest of the street picks it up.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:43:20Speaker 02

  That's the shit that as you get older, the city starts to fuck fuck you up.

• 2:43:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:25Speaker 02

  And I don't want to pick his trash up anymore.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:27Speaker 02

  This is, my time is all I have. I'll pick up my family's trash and my trash. I don't want to pick up that guy's trash.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  The one guy who doesn't clean his dog poo.

• 2:43:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:36Joe Rogan?

  And you know it, the little tiny poos, you're like, motherfucker, I know that's your dog. I see that little dog. He's, you sneaky bitch, pick up the dog poo.

• 2:43:44Speaker 02

  Pick up it up, bro.

• 2:43:45Joe Rogan?

  People don't like carrying around those bags of turds.

• 2:43:47Speaker 02

  No, I mean, it's disgusting.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty gross, but...

• 2:43:49Speaker 02

  It's gross.

• 2:43:50Joe Rogan?

  It's also like, come on.

• 2:43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:52Joe Rogan?

  Can't just leave shit.

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  You know what's a weird thing to me is the smokers, because smokers have no problem littering. That's the weirdest thing.

• 2:43:59Speaker 02

  Somehow that got through the litter loophole.

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, with people that are pretty conscientious, like they would never throw a soda can on the ground.

• 2:44:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  But they'll throw that cigarette on the ground, step on it, and they're like, what are you doing? Oh, someone's gonna clean that. Like, what?

• 2:44:11Speaker 02

  I hope those are biodegradable, the filters? No, right?

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I doubt it.

• 2:44:16Speaker 02

  I'm giving them too much credit.

• 2:44:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, maybe in like a hundred thousand years. How long does it take for a cigarette filter to biodegrade?

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  That's a, that's good.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's take a guess.

• 2:44:26Speaker 00

  I was thinking of, not the best reason for it, but if you just throw it in the trash, you could start a fire if you didn't put it out right. So that could be...

• 2:44:31Joe Rogan?

  No, you step on it, man, and then you throw in the trash.

• 2:44:34Speaker 00

  All the time, I'm just telling you. If you just, people are dumb, so this is a dumb thing we're talking about.

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Nah, they're doing it where there's no trash anywhere near them. They're throwing it down alleyways. They used to do it in the lot of the Comedy Store all the time. Comics would do it. I'm like, come on, man.

• 2:44:46Speaker 02

  Come on, dudes.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  I bet you it's, I bet you it's, uh, 200 years for a filter to biodegrade.

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I would say at least.

• 2:44:54Speaker 02

  If it's like Styrofoam or some shit, it's like...

• 2:44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's some fucking fiberglass or some shit. By the way, is that even better for you?

• 2:45:00Speaker 00

  18 months to 10 years.

• 2:45:02Speaker 02

  18 months to 10 years.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty big.

• 2:45:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:45:05Speaker 00

  Depends which one they're using.

• 2:45:06Speaker 02

  That's AI.

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Oh, it depends on which one?

• 2:45:09Speaker 00

  I'm sure they don't all use the same one.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, American Spirits probably have like hemp or something like that.

• 2:45:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, those fucking...

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, hippie smokes.

• 2:45:15Speaker 00

  Hold on. Now, uh, cellulose.

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 2:45:19Speaker 00

  Wait, what? I don't know. This is where we're getting into this weird spot of AI. I was gonna bring that up. Google AI stuff fucks up all the time. Look on the screen. Like, it says eighteen months to ten years here.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:45:30Speaker 00

  I go right here, "Are cigarettes biodegradable?" No, they're not biodegradable.

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  They're made of plastic called cellulose acetate, which can take up to ten years to break down, also leach toxic chemicals into the environment.

• 2:45:41Speaker 00

  But it does break down. It's not biodegradable.

• 2:45:42Joe Rogan?

  So, it breaks down. Yeah, it's not.

• 2:45:45Speaker 00

  Or, I don't.

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  It's poison.

• 2:45:46Speaker 02

  It, it just breaks into smaller toxic pieces.

• 2:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it breaks into poison. Also, if you're smoking a filter and the filter's got toxic chemicals in it.

• 2:45:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:45:55Joe Rogan?

  And you're heating it up.

• 2:45:57Speaker 00

  Photodegradable. That seems like a nice fun term they found.

• 2:45:59Speaker 02

  Photodegradable.

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  But not biodegradable. What does that mean? Trap residues from smoke, including arsenic, cadmium, and toluene. Toluene?

• 2:46:08Speaker 02

  Eh, who knows?

• 2:46:09Joe Rogan?

  Toylene?

• 2:46:10Speaker 02

  This is the issue with AI. I try not to even, but it's contradicting itself and...

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  I was reading a thing where a professor was talking about the, the issues that he's having grading papers and accusing people of using AI. And then it's like, it's just opened up this whole door.

• 2:46:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:25Joe Rogan?

  That they don't know exactly how to deal with, because you could get AI and write something, and then you could write something similar. You just kinda like twist it around a little bit, like a joke thief would do.

• 2:46:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  And then you're basically using AI to write your papers.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  But I think AI will sell that professor a AI detection software.

• 2:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you do a good job of spinning the words around a little bit, especially if you're dealing with like historical facts or something that's true. Like, AI is gonna lay it out for you. You have to do zero research. And if it's like, you know, you just print it in that order slightly differently.

• 2:46:59Speaker 02

  I guess the bigger question is, does writing the term paper serve a value at this point if AI can just do it?

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:07Speaker 02

  You know, I spent a lot of time learning cursive. I mean, what the fuck is that?

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  It's useless. The thing is, I don't... It's like, if you're a student, though, if you're really trying to get the most out of your education, it's like, what are you trying to do? You're trying to get good grades? Are you really trying to get educated? If you're trying to get educated, don't cheat.

• 2:47:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Actually figure it out.

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  Actually absorb the information and learn. But if you're not really into that subject, and that's not really your thing, and you really wanna get a degree in this, but you have to take a course in that, like... And you could like spend an hour working on something instead of sixteen hours.

• 2:47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you want to be a skateboarder and you got a half pipe outside, have AI do the term paper and go fucking.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't have to read that fucking giant fourteen hundred page book.

• 2:47:52Speaker 02

  Well, this is good. This is also a bigger question about like our education and public schools and like.

• 2:47:58Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be in the matrix. You don't need education. They're gonna pluck it in, press a button, and you're gonna be like Neo. I know Kung Fu. That's what it's gonna be.

• 2:48:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, I really firmly believe that. I also believe it's gonna be genetic engineering, so people are gonna be unrecognizable. I think whatever we have coming over the next hundred years is gonna make the last hundred years look like a joke.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  The change of nineteen twenty-five to, you know, twenty twenty-five is pretty extraordinary. It's gonna be nothing compared to the change that we experienced by twenty-one twenty-five.

• 2:48:31Speaker 02

  Do you think humans will always elevate themselves and speak to a crowd for laughs?

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  That might be the only thing we have left.

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Because they've always said it's prostitution in comedy.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  In comedy.

• 2:48:44Speaker 02

  Comedy, where the, you know, the court jester and the prostitute. I'm curious if we think in the future that'll remain as well. I hope so.

• 2:48:52Joe Rogan?

  I hope so. Yeah, it would suck. Well, definitely memes. Memes will probably get better. That's a good form of comedy.

• 2:48:58Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  There'll be some kind of comedy. There's always gonna be human folly, as long as it's humans. And I don't know how long that's gonna last. That's the real concern. So we might be obsolete. And we might be giving birth to this obsolete thing willingly, signing up for AI.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  So if we become obsolete, then that means the machines will have to also figure out how to provide energy to itself.

• 2:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that'd be easy.

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  But that'll be easy. They'll learn. They'll just plug this into this.

• 2:49:25Joe Rogan?

  They'll do it way better than us.

• 2:49:26Speaker 02

  Just mine the thing and then burn the thing and then, right.

• 2:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they'll probably harness some shit we didn't even think about. It'll be far more efficient. No carbon footprint, enough to worry about things breaking down anymore.

• 2:49:37Speaker 02

  And then we'll just slowly die off or whatever.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  And they'll put up a shield system to protect us from asteroids. They'll figure that out.

• 2:49:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:44Speaker 02

  What's that movie where Sylvester Stallone lives in the bottom, in the basement of the earth or whatever?

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Judge Dredd?

• 2:49:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe it's Judge Dredd.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I am the law.

• 2:49:55Speaker 02

  But I feel like it's all these people who refuse the advancement of technology, right? There's gonna be some of that.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there'd be a lot of people living in the Amazon, still eating monkeys. But the rest of the electrified world is gonna be very strange.

• 2:50:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but hopefully we'll still crack jokes. Michael?

• 2:50:14Speaker 02

  That would be great.

• 2:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Alright, should we wrap this up? Your book, tell everybody.

• 2:50:19Speaker 02

  My book is called... You have a copy? Dude, there it is. Thank you.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Lucky loser.

• 2:50:23Speaker 02

  The publisher's gonna kill me. I said I was gonna present it to you on the show.

• 2:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, we got a photo of it. Doesn't matter. Adventures in tennis and comedy, Lucky Loser. Get me a copy and I'll put it out there in the bookshelf. Got a lot of books out there.

• 2:50:34Speaker 02

  We should've sent you one. If you don't, I'll get you one. Yeah, so the book starts when my brother gave me a tennis racket for Christmas when I was four. And my dream was to be a professional tennis player. And we did it, but only to 864 in the world. That's my highest world ranking.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Should've turned into a chick. You could've dominated.

• 2:50:56Speaker 02

  That's the point of the book.

• 2:50:59Speaker 02

  But it's... The story is how I went from pro tennis to comedy. And it's fascinating and silly and a lot of failure. Talking a lot about the struggles of being alone in both of those professions. Tennis, you're alone, problem solving. In comedy, you're alone and problem solving and...

• 2:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're a great comic. You're a very funny guy and you've always been very cool to hang out with.

• 2:51:21Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 2:51:22Joe Rogan?

  And I'm really excited that you're at the club this weekend. Are there any tickets available?

• 2:51:26Speaker 02

  I got an email yesterday from my management that all shows are sold out.

• 2:51:29Joe Rogan?

  So if anybody wants to go, the best case thing is you go and wait at the front. And sometimes people don't show up, which does happen, especially with South by Southwest. It's crazy parking and... But I'm psyched. I'm psyched to see you at the club. I'm coming this weekend. I'll come hang out.

• 2:51:45Speaker 02

  Dude, thank you. That would be awesome.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 2:51:48Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me and congrats on the club and all that's happening. I appreciate it.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Congrats on everything. Congrats on Daily Show. Bye. Alright, bye everybody.