Episode 362 - Portlock, Alaska Mystery (Bigfoot!)

We’re heading into the remote wilderness of Portlock, Alaska—an abandoned village with a truly terrifying reputation. In this episode, we dig into the legend of the Nantinaq, a towering, violent Bigfoot said to stalk the mountains, terrorize residents, and possibly drive an entire community to flee. Echoing screams in the night, unexplained disappearances, and grisly historical accounts haunt this stretch of coastline—along with reports of bodies beyond the tree line discovered with crushing blows no human could inflict. Book mentioned: The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited by Jaimi Ryan and produced by Emma Leventer and Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:09Corinne Vien?

  Hello, everyone.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  Welcome to Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:13Corinne Vien?

  Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne in our, if you're watching the video, Corinne is in our regular studio. And I'm Sabrina. We're recording a part again because illnesses, sickness.

• 2:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it happens. It also sounds like when you say like, oh, Corinne's in the regular studio. It sounds like I put in more effort. The studio's in my house.

• 2:35Speaker 03

  You walk downstairs.

• 2:38Corinne Vien?

  I put in less effort every single time we record in the studio. Sabrina has to travel to me.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  You know what I also realized is that Massachusetts, like, tolls are crazy. The amount of money I've spent on tolls just driving to work.

• 2:54Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Is wild.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  Which actually, that reminds me, I got, so you know how like text messages are becoming the phishing texts and spam texts are becoming like more and more clever? I got a really convincing one the other day that was about an unpaid toll in Vermont. For a second, I was like, I do? And then I was like, these dumb asses, there are no toll booths in Vermont. But if I weren't from Vermont and didn't know that, I'd probably click on the link and be like, oh shit, do I owe like three bucks? Did I like drive through something and not remember?

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I had the opposite where I did get a text saying I owed tolls. And I was like, well, where's the money? I'd never got a notice in the mail and like my address is on file with my registration of my car and stuff and like, so I thought it was spam and I didn't respond to it. And then I got called by the like, what's it called? Like, weather chasing you down for money.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Did you tell them like, hey, you never gave me mail?

• 3:49Corinne Vien?

  The person who was calling me was no longer the Toll People. It was collections. It was a collections agency. So it was like a completely different agency at that point.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Sometimes the mail fucks everything up.

• 4:00Corinne Vien?

  It's very confusing. And also like my, my brain is automatically trained to now think that everything is like spam or scam.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Well, because like as you should, because if you're not expecting something, then it probably is spam.

• 4:16Corinne Vien?

  Right. Oh, wait, this is a good time for me to do a little PSA for people.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Oh, what?

• 4:21Corinne Vien?

  Because this happened to my brother. He was like partway through the process and then realized. But it also happened to one of our friend's moms a couple of years ago. If you are looking to like renew your passport or apply for your passport and you are trying to do it online, the first website that comes up when you Google like a US passport application or whatever, it looks extremely convincing.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 4:44Corinne Vien?

  The website, that is not the right website. You're putting in all of your information to a scam website.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  So just, now I need to look it up.

• 4:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. It happened a couple of years ago to a friend's mom. And then I was like, oh, my gosh, that's so unfortunate. But then my brother was just going through the process of like renewing his passport. And the same thing happened to him and he never gets caught with those things. So.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Weird. So you have to make sure you go to, you have to go to USA Gov? Is that the right one?

• 5:10Corinne Vien?

  Uh, let me look.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  I mean, at the top, it says official websites use .gov. But then this is confusing. Both of them do look really legit.

• 5:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I like can't remember. What I would recommend is that you actually, I know I was just saying the mail sometimes fucks everything up, but I would, I would recommend going to the post office.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  I have such an affinity for USPS. Like, I love them so much. I just think it's so magical. The way that like you see FedEx and UPS, they have these barcodes. It's more digital. The fact that you can handwrite in sloppy writing, an address on an envelope, put a stamp on it, put it in a USPS box on the street in random frickin' bumblefuck nowhere, and it will get delivered, is the most magical thing in the world to me.

• 6:00Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 6:00Speaker 03

  I have so much respect and love for USPS. It's, it's like, can you tell how I am so deeply passionate about them?

• 6:10Corinne Vien?

  I was actually just talking to Brian about this the other day that I was like, oh, you know what job like I think I would have actually probably enjoyed? Was being postal delivery when I lived in Beacon Hill. Because they have their like, their like side bags full of mail and then they just walk all day. And I feel like I'd be so fit.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Although apparently that's really bad on your bones. There's a lot of people, employees, I mean, this is why. They get like a really good retirement plan, but like it, the wear that takes on your body.

• 6:39Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, that's true.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Is like pretty significant. Yeah.

• 6:43Corinne Vien?

  But then I would argue that the way, like for people who do like long haul trucking or just like spend all day like driving buses or just like sitting down.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Office work too, like. You gotta find a balance.

• 6:54Corinne Vien?

  Fucks you up. We're, we're not meant to work, you know?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  No, we're not. We're meant to frolic in fields and bake stews in our cottages.

• 7:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like who made this? Why did we make this jail for ourselves?

• 7:07Speaker 03

  It's horrible. You know what I was thinking about in the office that an episode, we're going on such a tangent and we'll get to the episode in a second, but like. I was thinking about this, the office did an episode about it, about how like you, you go to school. And you're forced to participate in recess or gym or both your whole life. The second you get to adulthood, it's like, no, you sit in an office and you work, do nothing else.

• 7:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, you wanna go walk to go pick up lunch? How dare you be gone for thirty minutes from your desk?

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Like you have to carve out that time in your own personal life, which is already like making time for things in life is so hard. If you wanna work out or like move your body, but otherwise your whole childhood, it is forced mandated part of your life. Even in prison, this is the part the office did where they get outdoors time.

• 7:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and we don't.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  We don't. Well, we do. We, we have the opportunity, but we don't force ourselves. There's no one holding us accountable.

• 8:05Corinne Vien?

  And now we're lucky that we get to do this full time, but we've also lived lives in the corporate.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:13Corinne Vien?

  We're, we know what it's like.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 8:16Corinne Vien?

  Ay, ay, ay.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Um, one more thing about USPS, cause I love them.

• 8:22Corinne Vien?

  I really want.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  Go off, Bruna.

• 8:25Corinne Vien?

  I might cry, like I'm literally getting emotional. I want.

• 8:30Corinne Vien?

  I want a USPS outfit so bad.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Like so badly, I want-

• 8:37Corinne Vien?

  Wait, didn't you ask for this years ago? Was it USPS or was it some other? There was some other uniform you asked for too. Has it always been USPS?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  I want the satchel, I want the jacket. I want the gear. I want the hat. Like, I literally have a tear coming down my eye.

• 8:55Corinne Vien?

  I have an idea. Why don't you pick up a shift during the holidays? They're always looking for like part-time help, aren't they? And then maybe you get to wear it and then you can dig phones in it.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Uh, when do we have time?

• 9:06Corinne Vien?

  During recess.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  During your recess, Sabrina. Do they have a merch store? Because I would love, I would, I would buy.

• 9:14Corinne Vien?

  Would buy.

• 9:14Speaker 03

  Immediately.

• 9:15Corinne Vien?

  A 10 out of 10 would buy USPS.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  And this is the thing, I don't want the like, Amazon costume. I want the real deal. I want the real stuff.

• 9:26Corinne Vien?

  You want to look at that stitching and know that someone stitched that for you. As a postal worker.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  I'm a number one fan. I really am. I love them.

• 9:35Corinne Vien?

  Hey, well, there's a post office in this story that I'm about to share.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  Oh, great, great. I'm gonna cry again then.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  I think I just wrote, "Post office" is like an example of businesses that were coming to the town. But I mentioned a post office.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Okay, perfect. What do we have today?

• 9:54Corinne Vien?

  We are going to Alaska. A land of breathtaking beauty, untamed wilderness and majestic wildlife. But tucked away in its vastness is a town where the residents have cowered in fear, fought for their lives, and eventually abandoned the area entirely.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Oh shit.

• 10:16Corinne Vien?

  For the town of Portlock, Alaska is home to a very angry group of Bigfoots.

• 10:27Corinne Vien?

  It's been way too long since I've talked about Bigfoot.

• 10:30Speaker 03

  Episode.

• 10:33Corinne Vien?

  I'm cool. See, I, your passion is with the US Postal Service. Mine is Bigfoot.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  The story begins. We each have our things.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  You know, the woman, speaking of things, the woman who married the Eiffel Tower recently just divorced the Eiffel Tower for a fence because she fell in love with the fence.

• 10:51Corinne Vien?

  So I didn't even know someone married the Eiffel Tower.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:54Corinne Vien?

  What did the fence have?

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Less attention, less competition. Well, this is the thing. The picture that they chose to show in this article that I read was her sitting like straddling the fence and like sitting on top of like a pointy part of the fence. And I was like, huh, okay. Oh, yeah.

• 11:12Corinne Vien?

  All right. Well, you know what? Someone introduce this girl to a washing machine. I think she might find a third marriage here.

• 11:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay. This story from Portlock, Alaska begins, at least for us, in 1785. Captain Nathaniel Portlock, who I swear we've talked about before. He was an 18th century British naval officer who sailed into Alaska at a time when much of the region was uncharted by Europeans. In the 1780s, while commanding the ship called King George, Portlock moved slowly along Alaska's jagged coastline and into places like the Prince William Sound. And he basically would just like record all of the lands, the mountains, the violent weather. He would chronicle all of his encounters with the indigenous communities.

• 12:01Corinne Vien?

  And basically it was just like his job to write down everything and anything that he could figure out about Alaska, like map it out. What's it like? What are the people like? And that is what he and his group did.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 12:12Corinne Vien?

  So here Nathaniel Portlock witnessed the indigenous peoples of the region hunting and using sea otter pelts. Which they had done for centuries. It was a big part of their practice and their culture. And for the most part, they would use it for like local trade or ceremonial practices or like clothing. But Captain Nathana Portlock, he was like, oh, let me get in on this action. And he started obtaining the pelts from the indigenous hunters and selling them in Chinese markets where they were extremely valuable. So he kind of like brought in some more like international trade when it came to this. So now, while he was documenting the Alaskan coast and trading with the locals, capturing what life

• 12:52Corinne Vien?

  was like before the area was permanently colonized, he happened upon a town. And in his journals, he would describe the danger, the unease and the wariness of what he and his crew were about to encounter. A place that would soon be known as Portlock, Alaska, named after Captain Portlock. Captain Portlock and his crew were surveying a secluded bay on the Kanai Peninsula in a place that's now called Port Chatham Bay, when they came across some remnants of a native village. And this had clearly been abandoned for a very long time. But they were like, what happened here? Why would they abandon this area? This is prime real estate. Like, it is tucked into a cove. There's ample fish

• 13:36Corinne Vien?

  and seafood and deer and like wildlife to hunt. Like, this was, this area felt way too good to be true. And certainly not an area that you put in all this effort to build a village in, only to abandon it. Right?

• 13:49Speaker 03

  So, right.

• 13:50Corinne Vien?

  Already, they were like, this is strange that anyone would just like move on from this area. This feels like a gem.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  And it's one thing, because like, you know, native tribes would fight over land all the time, right? So like, one tribe would push out another. But it's one thing, if like a new group of people were living there, it's altogether abandoned, meaning people up and left.

• 14:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  Suss.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  Right. And there's like, plenty of nomadic groups, too, and communities. But like, again, like, it doesn't mean that you're picking up and moving constantly. It's like, you know, based on seasons or like food, or, or just like, you could spend decades somewhere before like your community up and leaves. Like, there was no reason for this to happen here, because everything was so bountiful. And it was like, perfect and secluded and protected and just, yeah, a dream. So.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Dun dun dun.

• 14:35Corinne Vien?

  Portlock and his crew, they're like, okay, let's set up camp here. We'll, we'll spend some time surveying, completing our surveying duties, right? It seemed like a good idea. What's the worst that could happen? They're equipped, they're in a group, no one else is around. But at night, soon they would realize that that was not true. As the men drifted off to sleep, they awoke to horrible screams and cries. Beasts of sorts, an animal they could not understand what it was or identify the sound of. But it seemed to be coming from the edge of the mountain, calling down to them, taunting them, warning them. The vocalizations directed at them, at the men in this camp.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  That's very haunting.

• 15:17Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. And each night, the noises seemed to be getting closer and closer and closer. Many members of the crew suddenly felt super ill. They were terrified, they were sick. And now they were begging Captain Portlock to leave. And he didn't want to, I guess. Like, they were like, hey, we did all that we could, we did some surveying, it's time to go. But he was like, mm, let's stay a little longer.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  Wait, so this is, is this still the middle of the night? Or is this come morning, everyone's like, hey, whatever that was?

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  Days into being there. Like, they've been there multiple nights now, and it seems like they are being hunted by whatever it is in the mountain. Like, people are freaking out because the sounds are getting closer and closer. And they're like, oh, my God, it's, you know, this is a warning to us. And like, we are being urged to leave and pushed out, and we need to.

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Oh, you gotta respect that they're not the Bigfoots, because I imagine that's who's trying to threaten them. They're not just attacking right away, they're giving fair warning.

• 16:12Corinne Vien?

  They're giving warning.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're giving ample warning. It's kind of like, hmm, they gave you time.

• 16:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  To pack up your things.

• 16:19Corinne Vien?

  And there were others who, uh, came before them that were given warning. And there were others that would come after them, that would also be given warning. All experiencing the same thing. An ominous feeling, a heaviness in the air, and something lurking or stalking them from the mountains above.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so I want to give credit to Luke Phillips, who has a blog called Black Beast and Boogeyman, who wrote like a pretty comprehensive article on everything that happened in Portlock regarding to Bigfoot. There were a bunch of articles like on the internet, but like small bits and pieces strewn about. And I feel like Luke did a good job of like grabbing them all and putting them all together. So a lot of this stuff is-

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Thanks, Luke.

• 17:03Corinne Vien?

  Thanks, Luke. A lot of what I'm about to tell you, Luke is also included in his blog post about it. But then there's also many other sites, like I said, and even a series on Disney Plus about it.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:16Corinne Vien?

  But then I wrote, "But Luke, in my opinion, hit all the key points, so shout out Luke."

• 17:22Speaker 03

  Love it. Also, when I searched our inbox for a listener story, which we'll read at the end of the episode, there were, I'll say like five emails about this topic, where people were like, "Corinne, you have to research this."

• 17:35Corinne Vien?

  About Portlock?

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:37Corinne Vien?

  Wait, that's so funny. Oh, man, I should have seen this. I missed them, but I wish I hadn't because I like only kind of more recently learned about this case.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, they were just like a sentence of like, "Corinne, have you heard about this?" So-

• 17:50Corinne Vien?

  Well, now I have.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  People love your Bigfoot.

• 17:53Corinne Vien?

  I encourage everyone to keep doing that. If you hear an amazing Bigfoot story, please try to bring it to my attention.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  We should do a search of our inbox for Corinne, "Have you heard of?" Or Sabrina, "Have you heard of?" Like that type of-

• 18:06Corinne Vien?

  That's a good point because there are a lot of emails that say that.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Anyway, note to self.

• 18:10Corinne Vien?

  Note to self. All right, back to it. Some 80 years later, because the group did leave, right?

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:17Corinne Vien?

  Some 80 years later, in 1867, another group set up camp in the bay, the Serene Inviting Bay that had been abandoned a few times before. And this community was the community of nomadic Sugpyuk, which I watched a YouTube video from a native Sugpyuk person. And I am attempting to pronounce it like they did. And I know, hearing myself right now, that I'm not doing it well.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  You're trying, and I think that's the most important thing. And we're doing our due diligence to look up the phonetics and how to say it. So we try to do it.

• 18:54Corinne Vien?

  The most pronunciations are not due to lack of research. It is strictly because it just is, my mouth isn't doing what it's supposed to.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  We can't all be the actor who plays Ilya and become experts on a language we've never spoken before.

• 19:09Corinne Vien?

  Language expert.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Incredible.

• 19:11Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so the community of nomadics, were about to call this place home. It seemed like the perfect place for them. It was tucked away in the cove. There's plenty of food to forage and hunt and fish. They wouldn't go hungry. And they were in such a remote area also that it would be pretty difficult to get to this place unless you were truly seeking it out. So there was this sort of like a sense of safety here too, right? Like they weren't just gonna be happened upon most likely. So as the community built their shelters and settled in, all seemed to be going perfectly. And it was for a few weeks. One month after stopping here, the village was raided and people attacked.

• 19:52Corinne Vien?

  Not by other people, but by cannibalistic giants who returned each night to the village attacking the people.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  We've never heard of Bigfoots eating people.

• 20:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, they did, yeah. These are like not your friendly Bigfoots. These are like really scary guys. They're aggressive and they will rip you limb from limb.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Consume your flesh.

• 20:16Corinne Vien?

  And they do. They do. The Sogpik people were not going to give up easily, so they did try to fight back. They rebuilt, they appealed to their ancestors, their traditions, their culture. They were trying to find any way to appease these beasts coming down from the mountain to rid themselves of these hungry beasts. And they gave these giants a name, Nantinok, which means the hairy man. They described them as half man, half beast, but also referred to them as an animal and being a very rare animal. And while vicious in the beginning, the Nantinok seemed to retreat for a little bit. And so now the community is like, oh my gosh, did we do it? Like, did we, are we gonna live? Peacefully here with the Nantinok, like up in the mountains, leaving us alone.

• 21:01Corinne Vien?

  Do they know that we mean no harm to them? And for many years, the Sugpiak people kind of did hold their own and did their best under the circumstances that they had. But while for a little bit, these beasts, these giants, these Nantinok had retreated, there was still a threat of random attacks. And random attacks certainly did happen.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Here's my question. What if, I mean, listen, it's violent. It's scary. We clearly don't understand why they're so violent. But what if there's like something they're protecting? Like, I'm thinking about how turtles lay their eggs in the sand on the beach. And then they have to like, they hatch and they go down, you know, to the water.

• 21:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  Is there something primal or mating related? Or just something that we don't understand that they're trying to protect? That happens on like-

• 21:51Corinne Vien?

  The bay has.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, like specific timelines. I don't know.

• 21:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Just trying to protect your, your men.

• 21:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it, it is interesting because, so like, it did say that during especially harsh winters, there were more attacks in the village and more raids, which would make you think that it was about resources and food.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 22:12Corinne Vien?

  I'm not really sure.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  It's a mystery. Until you befriend the Bigfoot and get to ask them all the questions, it's a bit of a mystery.

• 22:20Corinne Vien?

  Right. And also like the reports were saying that the Nantinok were during these winter months, during these harsh winters, when they would retreat from the mountains and come down to the village, it wasn't like they were coming down and stealing the deer or stealing the elk or something. They were literally grabbing people and eating them. So they're hunting the people.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 22:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 22:41Corinne Vien?

  Maybe they're like a, like aggressive version of Avatar, where it's like, you're not supposed to harm any animals. Without doing a certain like ritual or ceremony and because the Sugpi people didn't know Bigfoot's rituals. I don't know, we're grasping at straws here. So people would be brutally ripped apart in the streets. They would be taken from their homes, pulled limb from limb, and then consumed by these big hairy monsters, these Bigfoots.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Wait, it reminds me of the Manonangal a little bit, too.

• 23:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, sick. Eventually, it did grow to be too much for the Sugpi people. And in 1905, after enduring thirty-eight years of attacks, murders, and unrest, the community decided to leave.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Thirty-eight years of putting up with that?

• 23:29Corinne Vien?

  Thirty-eight years, they lasted thirty-eight years.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  I mean, did they really, did they really last?

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  It should be named after them, but instead Captain Portlock and his like week of being there.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 23:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Well, that's also wild, because thirty-eight years, they never established peace, and they just like lived with these brutal attacks and never found a way to like prevent them?

• 23:48Corinne Vien?

  No, I guess not.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 23:50Corinne Vien?

  That's what it said.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  I'm curious how many people lost their lives.

• 23:54Corinne Vien?

  I know. And that's one of the hard things, like some people say that this is just like lore because there aren't newspaper clippings and, and like census reports on how many people were murdered or whatever, but I don't know, there's a lot of-

• 24:07Speaker 03

  I mean, what year was this, though, too?

• 24:09Corinne Vien?

  Well, it started in the eighteen hundreds from when I first started, like from-

• 24:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:14Corinne Vien?

  -my research. But like, there were also reports that it wasn't necessarily about like the Bigfoots attacking, but there were also reports before Portlock's crew was even there about like other people sailing through and, and like reporting strange feelings and falling ill and leaving quickly.

• 24:30Speaker 03

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• 26:20Corinne Vien?

  Just under two decades later, after the Sukpak people left, a small community of Russian Alutik moved to the bay. And I did look this up because I was like, okay, who are the Alutik? And it does seem like the Alutik is part of the Sukpak indigenous group. So them being referred to as Russian Alutik, I think, means that maybe they were part of the group of indigenous people who were at the time, like around that time, forced to hunt and prepare food for the Russians when the Russians had control of the Kodiak archipelago.

• 26:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a piece of history I did not know.

• 26:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and I didn't look further into it, but because I was like, why are they, why are they being called Russian?

• 27:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 27:05Corinne Vien?

  And I think that's maybe what I deduced. Could be completely wrong. But

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Right, okay.

• 27:09Corinne Vien?

  Interesting. So I think like really, this is another group that's like a part of the same sort of like indigenous community.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 27:17Corinne Vien?

  All right, so the Alutik, they're setting up a business here. So they moved to the bay with a specific goal, and that was to set up a cannery to process and can salmon in the area, because this was a perfect area. There was an abundance of fish. So they're like, great, we can totally do this. This makes total sense for a cannery to be here. And then with a cannery and with a business like this comes more infrastructure, right? So they set up a town with a school for the kids, a post office for Sabrina.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 27:47Corinne Vien?

  And other businesses to support those who were working at the cannery.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  So I'm looking at pictures of Portlock as you talk about this.

• 27:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. And also, if you're watching on YouTube or on our Patreon, there are some photos included in this, I almost said presentation.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  In a way, it is a bit of a presentation.

• 28:07Corinne Vien?

  I guess, sort of, in my PowerPoint presentation.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  Also, if other people are looking it up, because this is what's happening, I just searched Portlock. There are two Portlocks that come up. There is Mysteries of Portlock, Alaska, and then there's Portlock Paradise, which is in Hawaii. Very different.

• 28:25Corinne Vien?

  Well, I'm sure Portlock Paradise is beautiful. Portlock, Alaska is actually quite stunning, too.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  It is. They're very different landscapes, but yeah.

• 28:32Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 28:34Corinne Vien?

  So the town is set up, the cannery is going, there are people living here, kids. It's a community, right? Like, it's a working town now. But there are some rules to the town. Do not go out in inclement weather, which that makes sense, you know, like they're in Alaska. It's, they're on the water, that could be dangerous. Do not go out past the townwide curfew. Now there's a curfew. Do not go past the tree line. And if you find yourself in the streets when darkness falls, you better run for your life or find one of the armed guards patrolling the streets for safety.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  This reminds, sorry, my camera's shaking because Lea's tail just went under the cord. This reminds me a bit of the Beast of Jevudan story that we covered on Crimes of that I think you have to cover again on Two Girls One Ghost.

• 29:24Corinne Vien?

  Yes, we'll be bringing it back in a couple of months for Two Girls One Ghost.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 29:29Corinne Vien?

  But yeah, so there are rules and that is because, just like the communities and groups that came before, the Alutik are being hunted, hunted by Bigfoot.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Perfect timing for Lea to jump in and say hello, but I made the mistake of wearing all black.

• 29:46Corinne Vien?

  Our own hairy Littlefoot. And it is interesting because so they like basically had like a neighborhood patrol. They had like armed guards walking the neighborhood at night in this town. But I'm not sure, maybe it was for like a sense of safety or just like having someone like see something and say something as quickly as possible because from what we've learned of Bigfoot, very few guns and armor can do much against their strength. And I think that that is very much true in this case, too.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  It's also giving like, is it The Village, right?

• 30:18Corinne Vien?

  The movie, The Village, yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:21Corinne Vien?

  Where there's beasts in the woods and there's people on patrol. And there's really good twists in that movie if no one's ever seen it.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Great twist.

• 30:29Corinne Vien?

  Yes. So the people of this community would soon learn that taking up arms was not going to be enough. As the canning business boomed, the community grew and new trades were brought in. There was fur trading, gold hunters, mining, fishermen, all sorts of different people. And so this community was still small, yes, but now the numbers held a sort of comfort and safety. But with the increased population came an increase of disappearances from the town. People disappearing in the fog, venturing too close to the tree line, only to never appear again. And disappearances in the wilderness did happen, I wouldn't say frequently, but like, you know, there's

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Enough.

• 31:13Corinne Vien?

  There's enough, you're in Alaska, you're in the wild and usually there's evidence of what happens, right? Like there's some sort of attack or like, you know, the trail kind of goes dead for a second and you're like, okay, someone must have, you know, fallen or had an accident or like succumbed to the elements. There's bodies, there's evidence, you know, they're right by the water, bodies will wash ashore. And that is what happened to some people, but others, that did not happen. Others. Show a different type of attack, something that they were not familiar with, something that didn't seem to exist in the Alaskan wilderness, to their knowledge. Bodies washed ashore with strange markings on them and unidentifiable claw marks, limbs

• 31:55Corinne Vien?

  torn apart, giant bite marks.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 32:00Corinne Vien?

  The cannery was broken into twice, and once it was even burned to the ground during a break in. One of the residents claimed to see a huge hairy man destroying the fishing wheels along the beach. And the man then ran home to grab his gun. And when he returned with his gun to the beach to like, shoot this big hairy man that was destroying their businesses. He didn't shoot, instead, he just stared at this giant who was staring back at him for a bit. And then the big hairy man walked off into the woods.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  Okay, well, this also indicates more intelligence. They're not just like animalistic attack creatures. They are, again, they're strategizing. They're, they're saying, we want these people out of here. We've given enough warnings. We've taken a lot of people. Let's attack the business. If they, if their business is, you know, gone, maybe they'll leave.

• 32:53Corinne Vien?

  Like, it seems like they understand what's going on inside the business. They, they see the process of like, the fish being caught, brought to the cannery, never to be seen again. You know, like the, from their perspective, like fish are being abducted and then never seen again, once they enter this building. Like, that's also scary if you are one with the wild and you're like, trying to protect your resources and your community.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  You're going back to your avatar respect of ritual and everything.

• 33:21Corinne Vien?

  These people like, with like metal and cement structures, just like comment, it seems so alien, like, we are alien. Like, it would appear very alien, I think.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:31Corinne Vien?

  So there were many, many sightings like this, like the guy on the beach witnessing the destruction happen there. And then in 1931, there was a body found just beyond the tree line. A man named Andrew Kamla, who went into the woods to log some trees. And now it's inevitable that people have to go into the woods, right? Like, one of the rules is don't go past the tree line. But I think that's like, probably a general rule for people who don't have business being in the woods, right? Like, kids, don't go in the woods.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially kids.

• 34:00Corinne Vien?

  You know, like, if you're not a logger, don't go in the woods, stuff like that. But he did need to go into the woods. He had to, he needed to log some wood. But when you go in the woods, it's also a good idea not to go alone. And Andrew didn't go alone. He brought with him his dogs, but that was not enough.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, you might need buddy system with more humans.

• 34:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. As Andrew and his dogs walked deeper into the woods, something else was waiting there for them. Andrew's body was later found. His head caved in with a heavy piece of equipment from the community used to strike him in the head. So it was like something was from one of the businesses or just like, you know, like a rogue piece of like metal pipe or something.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  But that means like the Bigfoots had to have stolen that previously. It's not like he had gone into the woods with it.

• 34:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, they collected it and then used it against him. This piece of equipment was too heavy for any man to pick up. So it wasn't immediately like any human suspect is ruled out. It's not someone from the community who like went to go murder him. His dogs were also torn apart and scattered across the forest floor around their owner.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I was so hoping that the dogs were safe. No.

• 35:19Corinne Vien?

  But still, the community stayed. They tried to continue canning. They tried to keep their children safe. They tried to patrol the streets more heavily at night. Yet the attacks never stopped. Dogs were killed, livestock stolen, people missing and murdered. In nineteen fifty, the community was hastily abandoned, leaving Portlock, Alaska, a ghost town. So something happened where they were like at their woods end and they just up and left, like left everything.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  That's a pattern. That's what people are doing here.

• 35:50Corinne Vien?

  Right. I don't know what that final event was, but like clearly there was so much that happened up until then.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  I also just think about, and you know, I could be speaking out of my ass, and there are many different types of communities in Alaska. But I feel like Alaska, if you're living in like somewhat of a remote wilderness type area, there are threats like this anywhere in Alaska. So it must have been like, they must have weighed the pros and cons of like, hey, even if we move somewhere else, there's a different animal or a different threat that we'll be dealing with. Like this is, the risk is worth the reward here.

• 36:26Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Until it wasn't. And it reminds me of the book, which, oh, Chris and Hannah, just generally incredible author. But The Great Alone is this beautiful story about a woman living in Alaska. Highly recommend.

• 36:40Corinne Vien?

  So one fact that's odd is that we know people live there. We know that there are communities that live there. There was a straight up cannery there with businesses and stuff. But oddly enough, Portlock only appeared on the US Census twice. Once in 1940 and then again in 1980. And both times it listed exactly 31 residents, which is just weird. Cause that wasn't true. Like in 1940, there were far more than 31 residents.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Well, the census is hard because like it does require a bit of door knocking.

• 37:13Corinne Vien?

  Well, and if you door knock in a place that people are afraid of Bigfoot, I don't know how many people are going to answer their doors.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Right. Exactly.

• 37:20Corinne Vien?

  Okay, now the place has certainly been abandoned. It is abandoned, deserted, declared a ghost town. But it doesn't stop people from visiting ghost towns, right?

• 37:29Speaker 03

  No, it does not.

• 37:30Corinne Vien?

  Like I said before, Portlock is not the easiest place to get to. So it's like, it takes some effort to get there. So I'm not sure if the people who are going to visit this ghost town are aware of the murderous Bigfoots, or if that's like literally the purpose of them going there. I'm not sure, but people do certainly go to try to check this place out.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  I do feel like you don't just stumble upon this place. Like I feel like you're going for a purpose.

• 37:54Corinne Vien?

  So while the cannery was shut down and people abandoned the town, this wasn't the last time that people were in the area or considering the area as home.

• 38:07Corinne Vien?

  In nineteen sixty-eight, there was a goat hunter who was surprised by these terrible screams coming from nearby in the woods, seemingly following and stalking him. Luckily, he was able to make it out of the woods unscathed, though he was a bit rattled. So like, while there's no community settled here, there's still people like nearby with different homes or like purposes of venturing over this way.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 38:32Corinne Vien?

  Just five years later, in nineteen seventy-three, three hunters were caught in a storm and they went into the abandoned village near the cannery to go take shelter.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  I would do the same.

• 38:42Corinne Vien?

  The entire night they were there, sheltering from the storm, the hunters stayed awake, trembling in fear, as an unrecognizable but certainly huge creature circled their camp, growling and speaking in some unintelligible language. The men not only heard the creature, but they literally saw it and they said it was a giant bipedal beast.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  It's also interesting because it feels like every time somebody has seen this Bigfoot, it's one. It's not like a group of them, although the sounds indicate multiple. It's like there's a scout or one entity that goes into the village to do the like labor, hard work, physical labor, the killing.

• 39:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you're right. But maybe it's because it only takes one. You know, they're so strong.

• 39:30Speaker 03

  They only need one.

• 39:30Corinne Vien?

  Why all of them? Well, also that goes to show that even though they do inflict a lot of harm and there is a lot of like murder and dismembering involved in this story, if they truly wanted to wipe out and obliterate the town, they easily could, but they don't.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Right. Like with their pinky, they could do it.

• 39:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Also, I'm not sure if my microphone's picking up, but there's a twenty-month-old chatty Cathy in the background.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, the whole day of recording, I've heard Noah been having like the time of his life. So I'm glad he's enjoying himself.

• 40:01Corinne Vien?

  He's chatting it up.

• 40:04Corinne Vien?

  He's actually like starting to say stuff because he's had a little bit of a speech delay, which we knew he'd have based on some like oral motor stuff that he had going on. But Brian was trying to brush his teeth a couple mornings ago and I heard him scream, "Dada! No! No, Dada!"

• 40:20Corinne Vien?

  When he's upset, he can say stuff. Like the other day, I can't remember what I, what I did, but I'd never heard him say the words, all done. He always signs it. And he was like, very much done. He goes, all done, all done.

• 40:36Corinne Vien?

  In distress.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  He's like, when I need to make my message very clear, I will do it.

• 40:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I think he can secretly talk. He just doesn't.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  He's like, he's like, you guys already do everything I need you to do, like, all good.

• 40:48Corinne Vien?

  Really? I know that that's a part of it is like, yeah, he barely has to request anything.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Which also just like to pause, Corinne.

• 40:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  What a beautiful testament to you and Brian as parents and you as a mother. Your child feels so safe and taken care of that he doesn't even need to verbally communicate with you. Like, if you ever wonder about yourself, just remember that.

• 41:12Corinne Vien?

  Like, thank you.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  You're incredible.

• 41:14Corinne Vien?

  Thanks. This is a good stage when they're like, starting to talk and say things.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. So I spent the last like week and a half with Noemi and Delfina. Um, helping out with my sister and their family, but Noemi has started saying when commercials come on, she goes, what the heck?

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  Okay, back to Bigfoot. In 1989, there was an elderly man who suffered a heart attack after returning from a walk in the woods nearby this area. And when he was being treated by the paramedic, he admitted to seeing Bigfoot. He called it by the native name and said that he saw the Bigfoot. The sightings and attacks of Bigfoots in this area seem to bleed between the centuries, suggesting to me that suggests that there's a population of Bigfoots that like remains here. I don't know what their lifespan is, but I assume it's not 200 or 300 years. So.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  I mean, we don't know.

• 42:14Corinne Vien?

  We don't know, but I was like, okay, there must be like a full, the group, a community of Bigfoots. They're elusive here. In the wilderness.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  I mean, they don't have to leave because everyone else keeps leaving. They, they have claim on this territory.

• 42:29Corinne Vien?

  This is like feral Bigfoots, which is so interesting because I feel like there's a lot of other Bigfoot stories and communities, you know, like we have the Sierra Nevada Sounds.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:38Corinne Vien?

  We have just so many different ones from just like Nepal and different mountains and even like the Edwards Air Force Base where it's like Bigfoots broke in and we're like captured on CCTV footage. And like, there's just so many examples of Bigfoots being in nature where they're not upset by, or maybe they are upset, but they don't, they're not reactive to human interact. Yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:03Corinne Vien?

  They like do get kind of pushed out and they adapt, but they don't fight back like this group. Like this group is like absolutely the fuck not.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  There's different communities and types of human beings. Why not? At least, I guess the one positive is they found each other. They live in their community and they're, you know.

• 43:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Maybe this is the inmate Bigfoot civilization and all the like Bigfoots that do bad are sent here.

• 43:30Corinne Vien?

  This is like, uh, our Australia from two years ago where Americans would just send their prisoners to Australia. How terrible. I don't know, but what we do know is that these beasts do not want their space invaded. They will attack, they will murder, they will reclaim their home and they have done so for decade after decade.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  In a 2016 Alaska magazine article, it was pointed out that there are no verified reports, reports, there are no verified reports of these murders.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  To be fair, there's none of those either.

• 44:09Corinne Vien?

  But I would say the presence and the sightings and the whole reason for Portlock's abandonment is way more than just legend. Like, I feel like that is the proof. Why do we need an article clipping in the archives to believe everyone else? So.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:24Corinne Vien?

  I guess I put it back on our listeners. What do you guys believe? Is there a colony of Bigfoots demanding and defending, I guess, their community in Portlock, Alaska? Demanding to be left alone, demanding for people to stop fishing there? Or is this just legend?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  I mean, can it be both?

• 44:42Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Like can't they be real and some of it be legend like?

• 44:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I guess, yeah. Well, because I guess like to your point, it's kind of like, you know, we're coming off of the winter holidays and there's all the talk about like Krampus and stories like that that are like huge learning lessons and warnings to children. It's like, how do you get them to to behave or to not, you know, wander off with a stranger? It's like, could these be kind of aggressive versions of that?

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 45:13Corinne Vien?

  In the Alaskan wilderness, that makes sense. Like there's wolves, there's bear, there's moose will kill you.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  I mean, either way, there is something here that is pushing out any chance of a real human civilization living there for a long time and forcing civilizations to up and abandon their homes. So to me, that's enough for me to be like, I don't ever want to really go there to find out for sure.

• 45:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  I'd stay home. Thank you very much.

• 45:42Corinne Vien?

  I agree with you there, but I want to bring back a point that you said, which is like, what are they protecting? What is happening here?

• 45:49Speaker 03

  USPS, right?

• 45:50Corinne Vien?

  It's the USPS. It's the postal, their prized postal worker.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:55Corinne Vien?

  Their favorite little guy. They love him.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  They love him.

• 45:59Corinne Vien?

  I am curious because there's like, you know, people have encounters and be really scared by their encounters with Bigfoot in the nearby area, but it seems like it's specifically the like cove there. It's like anyone who tries to settle right there.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  In that specific spot, they get attacked, they get killed, they get murdered. If you're just, you know, like 30 miles away in the same woods or whatever, like with your goats, you might encounter something, but you're not viciously ripped apart and killed.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Right. So what is there in that cove that that is?

• 46:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  So important to them.

• 46:35Corinne Vien?

  What does the bay have that we don't understand?

• 46:37Speaker 03

  Aside from an abundance of fish and shellfish. Where do narwhals live?

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Lea just snored so loud. She's over by the radiator and just living her best life. Snoring. So cute. Did you ask where narwhals live?

• 46:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  In the same land as Elf and the North Pole.

• 46:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Well, that's actually true.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  But I don't know.

• 46:59Corinne Vien?

  I just wasn't sure. Okay. It says Arctic waters of Canada, Greenland, Norway and Russia. So does that mean also do narwhals live in Alaska? Because if you say Russia, that's basically saying Alaska. No, they don't. They don't live in Alaska, so they must just live on the other side. I guess, yeah, Canada, Greenland, Russia. So they live on our coast, in the Atlantic.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  I mean, if I saw a narwhal in real life, I would, I would think I was seeing a cryptid, for sure.

• 47:26Corinne Vien?

  I thought narwhals, I've told you this before, I thought narwhals were mythical beings until I was in high school. And we were supposed to, I was in Spanish class and we were supposed to do, um, we were supposed to like choose something to do like a Spanish presentation on. Or like write a book on and like read it. And I wrote a book on the mythical unicorns of the sea, the narwhals. And then someone was like, Kryn, narwhals are real.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Narwhals are real. Well, they feel like they shouldn't be real.

• 47:51Corinne Vien?

  Sophomore year.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  I don't blame you.

• 47:52Corinne Vien?

  Spanish, high school.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  That's how you live.

• 47:55Corinne Vien?

  They were fake.

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• 48:58Speaker 03

  Well, um, I have a listener story. I was trying to find specifically Bigfoot in Alaska, but unfortunately, we did not have any encounters from listeners that had both of those. But I did find this email that has a Bigfoot and cryptid encounters. And like truly, I think there's like 30 stories in here. But I chose four of them to share. And I'll start with the cryptids, Bigfoot. Perfect. It's from our listener, Crystal, and I will start, like I said, with the cryptids. And there's multiple stories here. This is titled "Pursemun Point Cryptids." "One day, sometime after I left for college, but before my sister graduated, my sister was out on an evening run. We lived in the middle of the Ozark mountain woods on a dirt road,

• 49:43Speaker 03

  with enough other dirt roads in the area that my sister could run in a mile-wide circle around ours and the neighbor's property without ever seeing another person. On this specific day, probably about an hour before dark, so the sun was just starting to set, my sister was running past a little lot with no trees, just grass, when she saw a deer. Deer were a normal sight in that area. In fact, we often saw deer in our extended yard, which was really a small field in front of our house. However, we didn't normally see them so close, so my sister stopped, not wanting to scare it away. But as soon as she stopped, she realized this was not a deer." Ooh. She wasn't sure how she knew it. Like, it looked like a deer, but there was something off.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Like, the legs were a little too long, the grayish shade of its fur, maybe how shaggy it was, even though it was long past winter and the deer shouldn't still have its winter coat? Or maybe it was the look in its eyes. All she knew was that it looked like a deer, but was most definitely not a deer. And she was suddenly terrified. She managed to make herself keep going, walking past it back towards our house. And as soon as it was out of sight, she started running, not jogging, full-out sprinting back to the house. And anyone who has run on a dirt road knows how difficult that can be, but she managed not to fall before she made it home. After that, she did not run in the evenings for a long time. Yeah, I'd be terrified.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  But she also didn't tell anyone about the encounter until we were both in our 30s. She thought we would make fun of her for being scared of a deer.

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that makes me sad for her.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  I know, but when she did tell me, I stared at her and I said, you saw a not deer. My sister had no idea what that was. She had never heard of them. And I had only heard about them in my early 30s, but by then I had stopped explaining cryptids to my family. Only my stepdad had ever really been interested enough to listen to me. And he had already passed away at that time. So I explained to my sister what a not deer was. And that everyone who saw one described them a little differently. But the one thing they all had in common was that they looked like deer, but most definitely were not. Okay, next story about cryptids in this area. One night, my mom was driving home from work. It was winter, so while it wasn't late, it was already well after dark.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  She was about to take a right turn from Wonder Road on to Persimmon Point Road. When she saw a massive furry creature running on two legs cross the road in front of her. Also heading towards that same road. Her first thought was, maybe it's a bear, but we didn't have black bears in that area. And while black bears can walk on two legs, they don't usually run on two legs. Whatever my mom saw looked like natural, like it was meant to be bipedal. Then, just before it entered the woods, it dropped down to all fours like it was a bear after all. Or like it was trying to crawl under some bushes. But why would a bear run across a road on two legs like that? My mom hit the brakes when she first saw the creature and after it disappeared, she sat there for a few minutes.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Hoping to see it again. To this day, she believes she saw Bigfoot.

• 52:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, sounds like it.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  I'm a little skeptical of this one, which I think is hilarious because she had just told us that she's like the only one in her family who likes to talk about cryptids. But her mom believes it was Bigfoot.

• 53:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but this also, the fact that there's a not deer and there's a Bigfoot. And that there is a theory that Bigfoots are interdimensional beings. It does make me wonder, like, is there some sort of, like, weird portal over here where there's all these, like, cryptids and creatures coming in and out? And that's why there's, because to see two different cryptids.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  There's so much.

• 53:19Corinne Vien?

  Like, the same family seeing two different cryptids in the same spot by the same road. Like, that just seems so odd.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Well, let's not, it's not just two cryptids. Let's add another to the list.

• 53:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Sometimes at night, my mom would hear music coming from the woods. While sound does carry oddly in the hills, our nearest neighbors were a quarter of a mile away, and my mom didn't know why they would want to play music in the middle of the night. And it wasn't party music either. It was like a music box that someone was playing in the woods, which is so eerie. Like, that's the creepiest thought.

• 53:51Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:53Corinne Vien?

  Ew, that's so much creepier. Because, yeah, I was totally picturing, like, some sort of, like, fae music or something.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was so loud that occasionally it would wake my mom up in the middle of the night. And she would wake my stepdad up, and he could hear it, too. We never could find an explanation for it. Was it ghostly music? Was it fairies? Was it someone in the woods? Did my neighbors have a strange taste in music? Or just something else we haven't heard of before? Okay, the last cryptid encounter. You know, growing up, I never went into the woods at night, but there was one time I did. I wasn't following anything, not towards any music, but just into the woods that edged around the field in our front yard, where we used to keep our horses. I couldn't make myself go any further than that because I kept getting this feeling along my spine, like I was being watched. I assumed it was a mountain lion and rushed home and told my family not to go outside.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  And my mom was like, duh, why would you ever go into the woods at night? And the subject was dropped. However, there were a few other things that I did that I shouldn't really do in any woods, much less one so close to Appalachia. So it's close to Appalachia, but it's not Appalachia.

• 54:59Corinne Vien?

  Hmm, okay.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  I love to explore the acres around my home, and I usually brought my dogs with me, and sometimes my cats would come too. Sometimes it would be fine, and I would enjoy the nature and explore. But other times, I would get that same feeling, like something was watching me. I assumed maybe there were hunters nearby, especially if I had wandered off of our property and onto the neighboring acreage. And I didn't want them to mistake me or my pets or a deer. So I would sing or whistle. And that feeling of being watched would only get worse. It was like whatever it was that was watching me became angry. So I would stop whistling and I would leave because obviously whatever it was knew I was there. This happened a few times in a couple of different places in the woods, sometimes with my dog, sometimes without.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  It wasn't until much later that I realized it probably was not a human. Probably wasn't even a mountain lion. There was something else watching me in those woods.

• 55:54Corinne Vien?

  So creepy. But like, could that be Bigfoot?

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Or any number of the creatures that are clearly lurking in these woods.

• 56:01Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna read two more stories and then we'll revisit this email from Crystal in a future episode because there are so many that apply to so many different topics. But this is one called Face in the Window. Back when my mother lived in her house in Lockwood, Missouri, the year before my stepdad died, an adult cousin was visiting from out of state and we were all hanging out in the living room. The sun had set and the lamps were on, but my mom hadn't closed the curtains yet in the side window. We were in the middle of Main Street in a small town. So we didn't really care if the neighborhood saw into the living room and the window was roughly eight feet off the ground. So no one could really get close enough to look in.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Anyway, we're all talking, watching TV, when all of a sudden my cousin shouted that someone was outside. He rushed to the window and looked down but didn't see anyone. We asked him what he saw and he explained that he saw a face in the window, like someone was standing outside looking in. But we were like, there's no way a human could do that without a ladder. But he insisted there was a human face in the window. We all went outside. There was nothing there, no footprints, no ladder, nothing. The area around that house was clear. It wasn't like someone could have run away with a ladder without being spotted. He was completely freaked out and always insisted that the blinds stay closed while he was visiting that house ever again. The rest of us, though, we were all a little more nonchalant because we knew the house was haunted.

• 57:26Speaker 03

  And keeping the curtains closed was definitely not going to help, but we didn't tell him that.

• 57:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god, I feel like that would be one of the scariest things to see, a human face outside of the second story window.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Well, what about a demon? How about seeing a demon? Because that's the next story.

• 57:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh my god.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  This is called Bard Street Demon. When my mother was young, she moved around a lot. One of the houses she and her family lived in was on Bard Street in a small town in California. And this house had something extremely malevolent haunting it. My mom thinks it was just an evil spirit, but I suspect it was probably a demon. Most of it was poltergeist type activity, like things moving around, random knocking, footsteps, et cetera. But sometimes it got worse. One night, my mother and her sister fell asleep in the living room. My aunt was on the couch while my mom was on the floor next to the couch. When my mom woke up and heard footsteps walking toward her from down the hall. She turned her head toward the hall and didn't see anything.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  But then she realized that the footsteps sounded like they were on the ceiling, not on the roof, on the ceiling. There was no attic. She tried calling out to her sister, but she didn't wake up. The footsteps got louder and closer until they were stomping right above my mom. She hid under the covers while screaming out her sister's name. She finally woke up just enough to mumble out what? And immediately, the stepping, the footsteps, stopped abruptly. So my aunt didn't hear anything. Later, when my aunt's boyfriend was spending the night on the couch, he ended up having the exact same experience with the footsteps. That was when my grandmother started setting out her old family Bible, which had been blessed by a priest. And the haunting seemed to stop while the Bible was open.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Whenever something started happening again, someone would call out, did anyone close the Bible? And sure enough, the Bible would be closed. They would open it again and the activity would stop. And this is one of the things that made me wonder if it was actually a demon and not a ghost. Years later, long after my mom's family had moved out, another family moved in. It was a family, two parents and a teenage son. They apparently weren't a superstitious family and tended to ignore strange things happening. Until one day, the parents had been out for the evening while the teenager was home alone. When the parents came back, they found their very large, brave teenage son crammed into a tiny corner of the kitchen, crying in terror. He refused to speak any word of what had happened or what had scared him.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  They moved away and years after that, the mother of the family of three found out that her brother-in-law had a younger brother that was getting married to a woman who already had a few kids. The families all got together for a large barbecue and discovered that this woman had previously lived in that same house on Bard Street. That woman was my mother. So now it's weird. This house has kind of brought together this extended family of mine and everyone who's lived there.

• 1:00:22Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, I like have chills from that.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  I know, isn't that weird?

• 1:00:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Has experienced terrifying things before they ever met each other. And no, the teenage boy who is now sort of my cousin and an adult still will not discuss what it is that scared him. Terrifying.

• 1:00:38Corinne Vien?

  I'm dying to know. Cause there's already so much between this house and just like what they were seeing in their childhood home.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  It's so much.

• 1:00:47Corinne Vien?

  I keep thinking, do you think it was a demon or do you think it being on the roof and like making noise?

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  The Bible thing is interesting, like, I mean, it could just be, you know, their version of like closing and like setting boundaries of being like, hey,

• 1:01:01Corinne Vien?

  Protection.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  It's the same way, like if I decide lighting a candle is what is protective, like it could be the same thing as like opening a Bible. But I don't know. Okay, I'm going to end on a more, I mean, it's sad, but it's a more a positive story. This is about dreams. Less than a year after my stepdad died, I had a dream about him. We were in our old house on Persimmon Point, the place where they saw the cryptids. We had lived there for thirteen years. I was in the living room and my stepdad walked out of his bedroom in front of me. And at first, he didn't look at me, but he knew I was there. And instead, he looked towards the dining room table where two children were sitting. There was a girl and a boy. The girl looked like my sister when she was about four and the boy was facing away from me.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  But from the back, he looked like my little brother when he was about two, the same dark curls. So I assumed that they were my siblings at the age they were when they first met my stepdad. But then my stepdad looked at them and smiled, this extremely proud, almost excited, happy smile. And I realized it wasn't the smile of a parent remembering his kids young. He looked like he was meeting them for the first time. Later, when I woke up, I realized they were actually his future grandkids. And I now know they were actually the third and fourth grandkids that wouldn't have been born for another decade or so after I had this dream. Anyway, in the dream, after he saw the kids, I told him that he couldn't see mom right now. But did he want to see my youngest sister?

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  My youngest sister was his biological child. And while my stepdad tried not to play favorites, she was definitely his little girl. So I led him to my youngest sister's room and told my sister that even though she couldn't see him, he was there and did she want to talk to him? This is all in the dream. So my sister began talking to him about things going on in her life at the time, showing off her new things, just the sort of thing that any kid would do to their parent that they hadn't seen for a while. And the whole time, my stepdad was looking at her with this small, little smile, like he was so sad, he couldn't interact with her directly, but at least happy he got to see her. And got to see that she was happy and that at least she knew he was there watching over her. I then told my stepdad that my mom was there now and he could see her after all.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  I led him to the kitchen where my mom was doing something at the counter. Like my sister, my mom couldn't see my stepdad. But unlike my sister, my mom could tell that he was there without me having to explain it. And she could even sort of hear him when he spoke. She immediately started having a conversation with him. And unlike with my sister, I felt like I didn't need to be there to bridge the gap between them. So I left them alone. I knew that unlike most of my dreams that this was real. My stepdad needed me to bring him to my younger sister, who wasn't as sensitive to reach out to him on her own. And now I really believe my youngest niece and nephew were apparently hanging around the family at least a decade before they were born. And I felt a lot of closure after that dream.

• 1:03:56Corinne Vien?

  That is so incredible. I love stories like that. And I feel like we so rarely hear it for grandparents. It's usually like someone realizing that like their daughter or something was the spirit that they saw like three years before.

• 1:04:11Corinne Vien?

  That is incredible. Oh, my gosh, one uplifting lovely story after some horrors.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  You know, I was like, I'll give the people some relief.

• 1:04:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Or via Crystal, you know, Crystal technically is the one who did it. It is the last story in her email, too.

• 1:04:27Corinne Vien?

  Geez, Crystal has had quite the haunted life.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Like, I'm also very curious if Crystal's mom and sister had any dreams that night. Like, did they dream of her stepdad, too?

• 1:04:39Corinne Vien?

  What's interesting is it's like, there's so much going on with hauntings. But Crystal's haunting is like in a dream where everyone else has just encountered things like in person. Like, it's mostly been visual sightings.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Oh, well, there's like thousands of more stories where there's plenty. It's not just in dreams.

• 1:05:00Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:05:01Speaker 03

  I think Crystal's just got a paranormal life.

• 1:05:04Corinne Vien?

  Like, is it the family or is it the area? I mean, it's certainly that one home because we know that everyone who's lived there, it seems, or at least one other group who's lived there.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  But it is so eerie that the families came together at some point. Like, I don't know, that's like, that feels, that feels a little bit invisible strange.

• 1:05:23Corinne Vien?

  The house is like not letting anyone leave, truly.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Ah, creepy, creepy. Yeah, plethora of stories, but also Bigfoot.

• 1:05:31Corinne Vien?

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• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Pyramid scheme.

• 1:05:48Corinne Vien?

  Bring back the pyramid scheme.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

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• 1:06:21Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you to Emma, who also helps with Two Girls When Ghosts. And we are grateful for all of you.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Thank you. Oh, and one, one last thing. Sorry, this is the end of the episode, but there's a survey for Two Girls When Ghosts listeners because we want to hear from you, from our listeners. We want to know what kind of topics you want to hear. What are things that we've covered in the past that you were like, oh, my God, loved? Or on the other end, oh, my God, hate? Let us know. There's a survey. It's linked in the show notes of this episode. We would love to hear from you so that we can, you know, better curate our future episodes to your desires and what you want. We do this for you now.

• 1:07:07Corinne Vien?

  Yes, we do. And we love you. And we will see you on the other side.

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