Encounters x318 - Ghost Stories for Valentine’s Day

Love takes a paranormal turn this episode as we share listener stories filled with soul ties, eerie signs, and connections that cross realms. We’re talking twin flames, invisible strings, ghostly visits, and moments that feel way too perfectly timed to be coincidence. Stories include: A hauntingly beautiful twin flame connection with an antique shop owner whose presence continues well after death A whispered message about a “Florida reptile keeper” that turns into a life-altering love story guided by fate and intuition A jaw-dropping paranormal encounter that raises the question: did someone’s first sexual experience involve a ghost? (Sabrina's Favorite, of course) A sentimental wedding gift seemingly delivered with help from beyond the grave, arriving exactly when it was meant to Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited by Jaimi Ryan and produced by Emma Leventer and Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:08Corinne Vien?

  Do you feel that? The electricity between us?

• 2:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The love in the air?

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, I do.

• 2:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The romance?

• 2:14Corinne Vien?

  I should have worn pink today.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I made our lights pink.

• 2:17Corinne Vien?

  Romance can also be dead.

• 2:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And my sweatshirt says, "I had to make you uncomfortable, otherwise you never would have moved."

• 2:27Corinne Vien?

  Love the universe. With love the universe.

• 2:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The universe doesn't let you, the universe doesn't give you peace in something that you are not meant to stay in.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  I really like that color on you, too. I feel like every time you wear a color like this, I say, "I like this color on you."

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This color, this and red.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  You're a periwinkle.

• 2:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's interesting because I own like this color, red and black and white. Like, that's it. Like, I don't really own any other colors. You know, those like the swatches that people do.

• 2:54Corinne Vien?

  Because you also do a lot of, um, like newly rentals. Because I feel like every time someone's like, "I love what you're wearing." You're like, "Well, it's newly."

• 3:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is not, this is from my closet. But I'm curious, like, you know how they have those like swatches where it's like, "Are you a summer? Are you autumn? Are you fall?" I'm like, "I don't know what I am."

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh, I'm trying to remember. I need to phone a friend, which is my cousin Laney, who I feel like Laney and I have very similar skin. We both have like the green Portuguese skin. We're both green.

• 3:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the pierogi.

• 3:23Corinne Vien?

  But she was just in a wedding where like the makeup artist was also did like color analysis and just like told them when she was doing makeup was just like, "Oh, yeah, like here's your colors." It's just like a bonus. I think she said she was a, I can't remember if it was like a true autumn or like a soft autumn. It was in the autumns. We should do, okay, so on our list, past life's sleep regression, which we've had on our list for years.

• 3:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The list of things and then color analysis.

• 3:46Corinne Vien?

  And then color analysis.

• 3:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which has nothing to do with paranormal, but it's just good for life.

• 3:52Corinne Vien?

  But this is a Valentine's themed and love themed encounters episode.

• 3:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a kind of a long one that I thought I could start us with.

• 4:01Corinne Vien?

  Great.

• 4:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did we introduce ourselves?

• 4:03Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 4:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. And we're Ghostesses. That's Corinne, I'm Sabrina, and we love all of you.

• 4:11Corinne Vien?

  We love, love.

• 4:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 4:14Corinne Vien?

  So much.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love you.

• 4:18Corinne Vien?

  I love you.

• 4:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Say it back.

• 4:22Corinne Vien?

  You say you love us and then we say how much?

• 4:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How much? And then you scream and say so much.

• 4:28Corinne Vien?

  How much?

• 4:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then you take your top off.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  I love you. Whoa.

• 4:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right.

• 4:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 4:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So this is a really, really beautiful story. I'll get into it. It's not really necessarily romantic love, but it is twin flame.

• 4:47Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 4:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like connected souls.

• 4:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 4:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And a little bit of string theory.

• 4:52Corinne Vien?

  Very appropriate for, well, not for anyone else, but for us, because yesterday we had Campfire Stories and Tom was talking about twin flames.

• 4:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then also I just feel like with Valentine's Day, it's important to also remember platonic love and like friendship love and like.

• 5:07Corinne Vien?

  I like the way you said platonic.

• 5:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Platonic?

• 5:10Corinne Vien?

  You said play tonic and it, it felt.

• 5:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You play with your tonics.

• 5:13Corinne Vien?

  It just like felt very.

• 5:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hooked on tonics.

• 5:16Corinne Vien?

  It felt like we were talking about the, is it tectonic plates?

• 5:21Corinne Vien?

  Am I picturing it? Is that what it is?

• 5:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The tectonic plates underneath?

• 5:24Corinne Vien?

  In earth.

• 5:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Pangaea?

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  Pangaea. We love earth. We love you.

• 5:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you.

• 5:30Corinne Vien?

  And we love twin flames.

• 5:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All right. So everyone buckle up, sit your ass down and.

• 5:36Corinne Vien?

  We went from love to demands. How quickly a relationship can change.

• 5:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Say it back. You can never leave. Okay, this is from Caroline and it does say best if read before April 14th and this was sent in 2023. So sorry.

• 5:52Corinne Vien?

  What was happening in April 14th?

• 5:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, I don't know. Let's see. Um, I've been hemming and hawing over whether or not to sit down and write y'all my tale. Perhaps it's a waste of time. I thought, who cares? Maybe I'm making a bigger deal than it actually is, but then a sign appeared to me that told me, no, Caroline, if something is on your mind, it's there for a reason.

• 6:10Corinne Vien?

  Please, everyone include your inner dialogue in your emails. I love this.

• 6:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  After being off of Instagram for over a year, I felt compelled to pop back on and check into some newer folks I've been listening to. I found y'all through Morbid, through the crossover episode, and I work as a painter and carpenter, both of houses and of fine art.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wow.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I have lots of hours of dead airspace by myself to fill and being a spooky witchy gal myself, I was delighted to discover your podcast. So I looked you up on Instagram, not really sure why I was doing it, but like I was compelled to do it. And I saw one of your recent postings for a live show in Portland, Maine on April 14th. Oh, that was what, April 14th. And that is when I knew I had to tell my story. So buckle up buttercups. As I attempt to weave this tapestry and narrate the story of how I met my soulmate or twin flame, how he passed, but also how I know he's very much still with me. Even more so, I want to discuss the incredible magic and mysteries of the universe and how the mystery seems to unravel once you start to notice the signs,

• 7:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  which only makes it more complex and harder to comprehend. Okay, do you believe in fate, free will, magnetism? I would love to listen to you gals pontificate about it all. So attached, you'll find my tale.

• 7:23Corinne Vien?

  Well, you would like the invisible string theory episode we did last year, which last year is 2025, but I think I'm thinking of 2024.

• 7:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just search Two Girls One Goes Invisible String Theory and it will come up. Okay, background, my name is Caroline. I'm from a small town in mid-coast Maine. And when I was 19, I moved to Portland, Maine. Shortly after moving to the city, I had a creative awakening followed by a long, dark night of the soul. That led me through a painful and traumatic time in my life. But this was the first time that I started to see beyond the veil, understanding more than this three dimensional reality. Eventually I got my feet back under me and I resumed my role as a functional member of society. I was working at a Thai restaurant, attending university, studying anthropology and studio art, and living in a precious one bedroom that I found after getting evicted during that dark night of the soul.

• 8:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, sorry.

• 8:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was head over heels in love with the bad boy leather clad cigarette smoking whiskey drinking motorcycle riding bouncer who worked across the street at the rock club, where I spent most nights attending heavy metal and punk shows after work.

• 8:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 8:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is a relationship I do not remember fondly and afterwards led to another painful dark night of the soul. But this man would play an important role in meeting who is my soulmate. So he's not a total waste of space in regards to this tale and my life.

• 8:40Corinne Vien?

  See, some people are put in your life to help you move to the next one.

• 8:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 8:44Corinne Vien?

  Some are total wastes of space, but some aren't.

• 8:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But even when they're wastes of space, I feel like they do teach you something. Okay, beginning of the end, part one. It was the Yule season of 2018 and I was out looking for my gifts for my best friend Samantha and my now ex. Samantha and I met in Vermont at a wilderness rehabilitation program. We were the only women there for most of the time, so we bonded. One of the outings we did in Vermont was at this old Victorian era farmhouse that had been restored and maintained as a historical site. I believe it's called the Billings Farm and Museum, but-

• 9:17Corinne Vien?

  Oh, in Woodstock.

• 9:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know it?

• 9:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, my bachelorette.

• 9:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You went to this farm?

• 9:22Corinne Vien?

  Yes, that was part of my bachelorette and we churned butter.

• 9:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am so sad I missed it. I literally missed it for my cousin Samantha's wedding.

• 9:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh, here we go. Was it just Samantha?

• 9:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Samantha and I were both moody teenagers who wanted nothing to do with anything at the time. We both shared a Gothic macabre taste for life. So as we were touring around this farmhouse with our group of other fellow troubled youth, Sam begins to point out to me all of the dead people and all the old family photos on the wall. She taught me all about post-mortem photography, which was very popular in the Victorian era. Since this photography was in its infancy at the time, it was expensive and only happened on particularly novel occasions, like when someone died. This was the most exciting piece of information I ever learned on that tour. And for the remainder of their tour, Sam and I eagerly went around pointing out all the dead people in the photographs. And the tour guide was definitely not thrilled about this.

• 10:16Corinne Vien?

  Wait, I wish I knew that when I was there. Like, I never think to actually look at if there are any, like, post-mortem photos included.

• 10:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gotta go back.

• 10:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, well, just like anywhere now. I'm gonna be on the lookout.

• 10:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So with this in mind, you can imagine I was not looking for any old gift for my spooky best friend and my metal ex-head. And my metal head ex. Metal ex-head. There was this incredible antique shop on High Street in Portland called Found Antiques. And I had been in once or twice before and decided to wander in that day during my search for gifts. Now, this store is the size of a shoebox, but it is stuffed full of oddities, antiques and jewelry. You could barely see the floor and had to tiptoe around so as not to step on or knock into anything. That is the hardest thing about winter. Wearing your coat and like being so bundled up and like being anywhere, you just feel like you're

• 11:06Corinne Vien?

  Most anywhere.

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Knocking things over.

• 11:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So there were Tiffany lamps, a box of rusty antique Dora hinges, incredibly beautiful jewelry, both old and new, oil paintings, unusual vintage posters. It's this time capsule of bizarre, forgotten, salvaged and cherished items that I've always had a soft spot for. I always visited antique shops throughout my life, but this one felt so special. As I tiptoed around the simultaneously carefully curated and chaotic piles, stacks and nooks, something caught my eye. There was a small five by seven framed black and white photo of a man presumably dead, being propped up and posed with his hands in a waving position by this metal contraption, while another man took his portrait with this massive old camera.

• 11:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It had like the cone and box. Instantly, I was intrigued and excited by this post morbid find. And I took it to the counter where a man stood. This counter was a big vintage glass jewelry case full of loose papers, projects, jewelry, and other odds and ends. And the man behind the jewelry case was older with a soft white low ponytail peeking out of his bowler style hat. He had thick framed blue tortoiseshell glasses that magnified his twinkling eyes. He was tinkering with a beaded bracelet and looked up and greeted me with a warm smile. I asked him about the photo that I had found and he proceeded to tell me it was actually an old advertisement used to advertise post morbid photography.

• 12:34Corinne Vien?

  I didn't even think about, if was the person actually dead then in the ad?

• 12:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's interesting. They didn't have to pay him then.

• 12:41Corinne Vien?

  Did you pay the family? Like what?

• 12:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 12:43Corinne Vien?

  How do you?

• 12:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Back in those days, people were grave robbing and not stealing any.

• 12:46Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 12:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And not paying anyone. So this was even better than I could have imagined. I told him about my love of post morbid photography and how I wanted to get this photo as a gift for my friend Sam and how Sam had taught me about it. He looked a little taken aback and responded that he also loved post morbid photography. And then he took out a large collection of antique tintypes and small portraits, flipping through them, pointing out all of them people who were dead in them.

• 13:12Corinne Vien?

  I never thought about tintypes.

• 13:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 13:15Corinne Vien?

  Cause they're just so difficult and so expensive to make.

• 13:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but the person won't move because they're dead.

• 13:21Corinne Vien?

  That's true.

• 13:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:22Corinne Vien?

  We have tintypes behind us right now.

• 13:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 13:25Corinne Vien?

  Us. And you. And you over there, out of you.

• 13:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, this man told me he loves to go around all the local antique shops and look for these photos because most people don't know about them and don't realize how valuable they actually are. He continued to tell me that oftentimes families during the Victorian era would take family portraits with the dead relatives before they were buried. The dead were dressed in clothes, propped up and posed, often with paint on their cheeks, and they would also paint eyes over their closed lids. Post-morbid solo portraits were common as well as family portraits with the deceased. There are also many of babies and young children, as well as adults. You have to have a trained eye to spot the tells of post-morbid photography, but once you know what to look for, it is a delightful scavenger hunt.

• 14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're often included in bins of old photos that are just $5, and they're actually collector's items and worth way more.

• 14:20Corinne Vien?

  Wait, now we need to know.

• 14:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 14:22Corinne Vien?

  Because I feel like that's when both you and I are in antique stores, I feel like...

• 14:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just gotta...

• 14:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but I feel like I never buy any of the photos, but that's, I spend a lot of time sifting through the people.

• 14:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm always looking for like a doppelganger.

• 14:36Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 14:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Corinne Vien?

  Me too. Or like someone that you feel just like suddenly a strong connection with and you're like, oh my God, I have to research this person.

• 14:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 14:42Corinne Vien?

  Is this a relative of mine?

• 14:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who is she?

• 14:43Corinne Vien?

  But I haven't been called to anyone yet.

• 14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So here I am, like a kitten in a man's lap, listening to him talk. He was so charismatic and animated and captivating, talking about this spooky morbid subject that I was so fascinated by. I told him that I was also looking for a gift for my rock and roll ex, and he told me he would happily print and frame another copy of the image for me so I could give the same gift to both of them. We agreed upon that time that I would return to the shop the next day to get the photo, and he said he would print and frame it for me that night. I left the shop feeling like I was high. That energetic surge I got from this encounter was uniquely exhilarating. I love that.

• 15:18Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 15:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The next day, I returned to the shop to collect my treasure and see my new friend, and he seemed a little surprised to see me. When I asked why, he told me that most people who make plans with him don't follow through.

• 15:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh. That's sad, but it's also, now I'm suddenly skeptical.

• 15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But also, I feel like it's in Portland, Maine, like maybe like she would have found another gift somewhere else, like.

• 15:41Corinne Vien?

  Or it's like tourist or whatever, like, oh, I'm gonna come back for this tomorrow.

• 15:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:44Corinne Vien?

  They just never.

• 15:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel like at a store like that.

• 15:46Corinne Vien?

  See, I assumed like she had already paid for it, especially because he was making another print and she was just coming to pick it up.

• 15:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He often found himself going out of his way to do nice things for people, only to have them not show up.

• 15:56Corinne Vien?

  Ah, classic New England.

• 15:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there I was, smiling and on time. He asked me about myself and I told him that I was an anthropology student and an aspiring artist. And then I worked around the corner as a waitress and he perked up, learning all about this and responded to me by offering me a job at his shop.

• 16:12Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 16:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Working with him at the antique shop part-time because it was just him there and he was desperate for the right person's help. I was so flattered and excited about this proposition, but I told him I needed to think about it before committing to anything. We exchanged contact information and shook hands and that was the time, the moment where I really met him. Flick, my twin flame.

• 16:34Corinne Vien?

  Flick.

• 16:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause up to this point.

• 16:36Corinne Vien?

  Flicker of a flame.

• 16:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They had never like exchanged names.

• 16:39Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 16:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know? I was seriously debating this offer, even though my gut instinct was to immediately accept it, I needed to think about it. But I was and still am a recovering workaholic who was always trying to do the most and do it best. So I was trying to be careful about not overfilling my schedule. I didn't want to enter another dark night of the soul moment. So when I told my ex of the job offer, he encouraged me to accept it because he thought that shop was badass. Well, shucks, that's all I needed to hear to throw my visions off balance and stability out the window. I reached out to Flick to accept the part-time position and our love story was well underway. I was nervous about my first day of work at Found. I tried on several different outfits before I found the right one that said professional, edgy, gothic, chic, antique.

• 17:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And when I arrived at the shop, Flick excitedly greeted me and explained what he'd like me to do. My primary duties at first were to dust and tidy the shop. There was a monumental amount of dust that blanketed the shop, making even the modern fixtures like they were entrouded in a cloak of antiquity. Flick always used to joke that he does not charge customers extra for the authentic antique dust every item collects during its time in the shop. I worked my way around the space, dusting, Windexing, and noticing all of the treasures that my eyes had formerly passed by. Moving the items around, I unearthed long-forgotten pieces. And from time to time, I would ask Flick about them, and he would tell me its story. Because every item in that shop had a story. Many of them were things Flick had collected throughout his lifetime.

• 18:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was a history, a personal anecdote, or a fun fact for everything. I began to notice how many of the other customers who came in were not actually there to shop. Sure, they would do a cursory look around, but so many of them would come in just to talk to Flick. Like, what a beautiful soul.

• 18:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, truly, he's a local.

• 18:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Some customers came daily on their lunch break to bring Flick a cup of hot chocolate and talk to him. You see, Flick had this unique gift of connecting with people like I had never seen before in my life. When he talked with you, you had this full, unwavering attention. He showed a genuine kindness and compassion that is unmatched. Not only did he make people feel seen and cared for, he had an incredible sense of humor. He made people laugh, and on top of this, he was just a bizarre, quirky man who lived so authentically in his own skin. And it was not only magnetic to be around, but it was thoroughly entertaining. And we do have photos of Flick that we can add in. At this point, I had been working at Found for a few months with Flick, and we really started to get to know one another.

• 19:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One day, while I was rearranging a case in the front of the shop, Flick and I were chatting, and it was a particularly slow day, and I can't quite recall what caused this, but I mentioned something about my birthday. Flick, being the curious and compassionate fellow that he was, responded by asking me when my birthday was. April 14. Oh, that's why April 14th, which is also the day that we had the show in Portland.

• 19:34Corinne Vien?

  Right. Serendipitous.

• 19:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He stopped his tinkering and looked at me, gobsmacked. That's my birthday too.

• 19:40Corinne Vien?

  What? Oh my God.

• 19:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We both looked at each other and for a moment, the facade of our surroundings and space and time completely vanished. And then there was only each other. Like we had finally pieced the last clue of the puzzle together and we realized in that moment that we belonged together.

• 19:54Corinne Vien?

  I love that. Oh.

• 19:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Neither of us had ever met anyone who shared our birthday. Not that it's particularly special or unique, and I'm sure many listeners who are listening also have April 14th birthdays. Hello, all you April 14th rock stars. But something about this situation seems special. To have met in such an unexpected, yet profound way, and to have felt a connection with one another that only strengthened once we found out we shared a birthday. So there we were, two souls who came into this world on the same day, separated by vast gaps of time and space, and somehow we managed to find our way back to each other. Flick was born in Selma, Alabama. His government name was Thomas, but his father nicknamed each of his children after forms of light because his father's name was Ray. So Thomas was

• 20:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  given the nickname Flick. His siblings were Beam and Glimmer.

• 20:44Corinne Vien?

  That's so cute.

• 20:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh wow. Flick, Beam and Glimmer.

• 20:47Corinne Vien?

  They're very unique. I was thinking more like Sonny and Ray and.

• 20:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, he's Ray.

• 20:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he's Ray.

• 20:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's Ray.

• 20:54Corinne Vien?

  Beamer.

• 20:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I've only ever heard Flick talk of his siblings by these names. Even though his father was straight laced, religious, a military man, I thought this showed an interesting, unexpected artistic flair. Flair is also a nickname.

• 21:08Corinne Vien?

  Could wear Spark. Spark. There's so many.

• 21:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sparky. Oh.

• 21:12Corinne Vien?

  It's a little dog name. The dog was Sparky.

• 21:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And Flick certainly had an artistic flair. Flick studied theater. He became a drag queen in New York City in the seventies and eighties. His stage name was Sweet and Sour.

• 21:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's.

• 21:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He made all of his own costumes. He choreographed all of the performances for other companies and performers. And his partner, Tom, was the business end of the operation.

• 21:33Corinne Vien?

  And some people are just so creative.

• 21:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. When you see a picture of Flick too, you're like, oh.

• 21:38Corinne Vien?

  I looked. I was like, oh, this makes total sense. He looks so cool.

• 21:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And Flick was the creative genius. He had a number of shops and boutiques that he opened in New York City as well. Every piece of information I learned about Flick made me fall in love with him even more, and there were so many parallels in our lives and personalities that it was impossible to ignore. Funny thing is, since I was a kid, I dreamt of going to New York City and becoming a fashion designer to live there. I did not go in that direction with my life, but it's interesting that I was so drawn to it. Flick and I also attended the same university, many years apart, of course, and we didn't discover this until years later. Beyond this, we also had a dramatic flair, strong aesthetic, desire to create, a fiery sense of humor, the list goes on. Flick was also drawn to anything with black cats. There were many antiques and pieces of art that featured the black cat at Found, which

• 22:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  was odd because Flick didn't have a black cat, but guess who did? I did. A black cat that I've raised from birth named Little Boy. He's now 13, or this was in 2021, so 15. Wow. They grow up so fast. The black cats was actually one of the things that first drew me into the shop in the first place. I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from PreNuvo in a couple of weeks.

• 22:51Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 22:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I recently had some medical issues in my family, and everyone in my family is like, let's just do everything we can to get ahead and take our own health into our own hands. PreNuvo's whole body scan is a radiation-free MRI designed to help provide a detailed, non-invasive look at your body in under an hour, and it helps evaluate across major organs and systems, including the brain, spine, abdomen, pelvis, and more. PreNuvo's whole body scan can help detect many cancers, aneurysms, and hundreds of other conditions. And they have memberships that bundle MRI scans, blood panels, and a personalized results review to track your health year after year.

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  To learn more about PreNuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/tgog and use code TGOG. That's P-R-E-N-U-V-O.com/tgog. Terms and conditions apply.

• 23:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off PreNuvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit PreNuvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. PreNuvo gifted me a whole body scan. A PreNuvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider.

• 24:04Speaker 03

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• 24:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Flick and I were growing very, very close. We became more than just coworkers, we were family. And when his health started to decline, I managed the shop for him. I felt myself mirroring Flick as I tried to fill his shoes. There was a witty, compassionate, charismatic side to myself that had always been there, but was now amplified. Flick taught me how to be myself in a way that I had never been able to before.

• 24:55Corinne Vien?

  I love this.

• 24:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  At this point, the pandemic was in full swing. Business was dreadful and Flick's health was a serious concern. He decided to close the shop in the summer of 2020, and it was heartbreaking for both of us. After the shop closed, our relationship transformed into something even more precious. The thing that had brought us together had disintegrated, but in that time...

• 25:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just, it's so beautiful. We had interwoven our lives together in a way that we could never really be apart from one another again. We talked on the phone regularly, his voicemails and texts were the best love notes I may ever receive. He was my rock when my toxic relationship started breaking me down. And I didn't realize it, but I was his rock too. Something else we both share is that underneath our warm, charismatic, humorous shell is a deep well of pain and trauma. He confided in me and I in him. Flick understood my dark end of the soul in a way that no one ever had. He had been through something similar. We both knew what it felt like not to want to be alive anymore. Flick saw me unraveling, and even though he was also unraveling in his own way, he

• 26:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  was there for me unequivocally, in his unrelenting support, his unrelenting love, admiration, and nonjudgment. I finally got out of that relationship, and you know how I did it? My birthday. Our birthday wasn't exactly one month. And I had an epiphany that the best gift I could give myself was freedom. It was not easy and had a long road of recovery after leaving this relationship. But that year, a month after our breakup, Flick and I celebrated our birthday together in my apartment with my mom and Tom. And here's a fun fact, Tom and my mom have birthdays that are days apart. This was the last birthday Flick and I celebrated together on this plane of existence. But it was a splendid occasion. I was in a fragile state, but Flick and Tom rolled out the red carpet for me, making me feel like a goddess.

• 26:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it felt like we were family. There was so much laughter and love at that table. That summer, I officially entered into my third Dark Night of the Soul and Flick quite literally saved my life. I was such a mess. I had to leave my apartment in Southern Maine altogether to return home to the midcoast and regain my steadiness. I moved into my grandmother's house for the winter while she was in Florida and I just focused on my healing. Flick and I still talked regularly over the phone and we would text. We couldn't meet in person as regular because of his health and mine, quite honestly, and the distance between us, but we did occasionally make it happen. In late November of 2021, around my mom and Tom's birthdays, we met for brunch halfway between us.

• 27:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We hadn't seen each other in a while. I was doing much better, but Flick's health had seriously declined. He told me he was so excited for our get together that he had picked out his outfit the night before. He was wearing his new faux osalia, I don't know how to say that, fur coat, there's a photo. And it was quite the look, especially in small town Maine. But that is what I loved about Flick. He was so unapologetically himself. He was so full of energy, warmth and light. And I'll never forget the feeling of this hug or the way it felt to hold his hands and look into his eyes like we talked, like we were the only two people on the planet. We laughed so much, it was nearly impossible to leave each other. We only left because the restaurant literally kicked us out. They were closing.

• 28:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here's the text he sent me that day after we met. See if I can read it without crying. "Oh, my scrumptious love, I glowed on the way home and after, not even wanting to sleep on the drive home. What a wonder and joy it was to see and be with you. Caroline, I am so pleased to see the result of you taking care..." Taking better care of yourself. OMG, the day was so much like so many times before. And although we both have things to do, I see great hope for every day and every way ahead. Like, get this tattooed on yourself. I know. This is very poetic. And also like they just, they feel like twins separated ever. Truly. Like got reconnected. I will be there as ever, right by your side.

• 28:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love, all is good here, and I love you. Who could want for anything more ever? Thank you for brunch and for giving, for giving the favor of your splendor at my elbow. I find it impossible to believe that I could love you anymore. But I'll keep trying just in case I missed a morsel. Oh, my God, now I'm gonna start crying. That's so beautiful. Oh. Wow. The next morning, early around 8:00 AM, I got a call from Tom. My heart sank like a rock in my stomach. But I answered as soon as I heard the quiver in Tom's voice. I knew what he had to say before the words came out. Flick passed early that morning on December 2nd, 2021. I dropped to my knees and screamed, feeling like my insides were being ripped apart.

• 29:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The initial blow of the news left me feeling incapacitated. But I was so glad that I got to see him and hug him and laugh with him days before he passed. And this monumental love note that I had from him, it's like he instinctually knew the timing. Even though the initial blow was agonizing, there was this incredible healing within me that happened after Flick's death. That day, I pledged to honor Flick's memory by taking the best care of myself possible. So that I could live a life I would want Flick to see. It fueled incredible personal growth and transformation. As time passed and my mom and I met Tom for brunch for the first time since Flick's death, Tom told us some interesting tidbits about Flick's passing. Flick had a habit of watching late night television, like always at 2:00 AM to 4:00 AM.

• 30:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was his sweet spot. And Flick and Tom lived in a building that had been converted from a mill building into large studio apartments. After Flick's passing, some neighbors reported their TVs turning on between the hours of 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM.

• 30:36Corinne Vien?

  What? Oh my gosh.

• 30:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And they all loved Flick, so it was like Flick going to say hi.

• 30:41Corinne Vien?

  Giving a little message.

• 30:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. One day, maybe a few months after Flick's passing, my mom and I were sitting at a dining room table in my grandmother's house, and it was the same room that I answered the call from Tom in when he informed me of Flick's death. And my mom and I were talking about Flick, about all the incredible and otherworldly aspects of our dynamic and his passing. And I had a tradition of painting Flick a birthday card every year for our special day. He loved cards and he collected them, so I knew that if I made something by hand that was different than anything he could buy or find would be more meaningful. One year, I painted a still life of two tapered candles, both burning but at different heights, with a candle snuffer between them. I wrote on the back a poem that essentially said that the candles represented Flick and I, two Aries fire babies,

• 31:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  burning at different heights due to our different ages, and the snuffer was the inevitability that death would eventually separate us. I painted this years before his passing. He proudly framed it and had it in his bedroom. So over the years, I continued this theme of the tapering candles on the cards. So there my mother and I are, talking about Flick at the table, when all of a sudden, a tapered candle on my altar shoots out of its holder and onto the table. This thing had been melted into place. It wasn't like it was loose or easy to remove. So my mother was stunned and I laughed. We both realized it was Flick. He was right by our sides, just like he said he would always be in his final text to me. I often see strange flashes of light in the sky when I think about Flick. I can close my eyes and I see him or hear him.

• 32:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've had dreams about him as well. There are so many signs for me to know that I'm never really alone. Well, if you made it this far, thank you for your time. I think it gives us so much to ponder about our soul families, love that transcends lifetimes, and how two souls can remain connected between the realms and the mystery behind it all. You never know where something will lead. I consider this my love note to Flick, a way to honor his memory and the impact he made in my life. When April 14th comes, happiest of birthdays to you, my dear friend. Thank you for reading, Sabrina and Corinne. See you on the other side, Caroline. Also, Caroline ends it saying, "I seriously consider trying to figure out how I could take a post-morbid photo with Flick's corpse, because I thought that would have been the most appropriate way to honor him."

• 32:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I realized not everyone shared our dark sense of humor and I didn't want to offend anyone from Caroline.

• 33:05Corinne Vien?

  Dang.

• 33:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that not the most beautiful?

• 33:07Corinne Vien?

  It is, but it's also like, it's so painful at the same time. Like, I feel her pain, Tom. I know. To feel so connected and so much love and like so like finally understood and at peace whenever you're with this other person.

• 33:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:23Corinne Vien?

  God, it would be so hard to.

• 33:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. To say goodbye.

• 33:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I can't imagine.

• 33:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But like, it's one of those things where, what a gift to know them.

• 33:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The alternative is that you've never, you never knew them. You never knew that love and that bond and that connection.

• 33:40Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 33:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'd much rather know it and have it and lose it.

• 33:44Corinne Vien?

  Said they saved each other.

• 33:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Ugh. I love Flick and I love you Caroline.

• 33:50Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 33:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Dang. Beautiful souls.

• 33:53Corinne Vien?

  I don't even know what to say. There's nothing to add. It's just beautiful. Like, it was so perfectly said.

• 33:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It speaks for itself.

• 33:58Corinne Vien?

  It's so poetic, so like deeply felt. I mean, you were crying the whole time and I was like.

• 34:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The whole time.

• 34:03Corinne Vien?

  My heart was like crumbling. It felt like it was being squeezed. Damn, how do we go on?

• 34:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, the next story I have is more of like a funny sexy one, so.

• 34:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 34:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll end with that.

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• 35:02Speaker 03

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• 35:17Corinne Vien?

  I have a story called Invisible String Theory.

• 35:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great.

• 35:22Corinne Vien?

  Hello lovely ghostesses. I'm currently watching the episode on Invisible String Theory. It's on a 75 inch TV. You both look beautiful.

• 35:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks, thanks.

• 35:32Corinne Vien?

  My favorite love story. My husband and I have known each other since high school, so about 14 years now. I didn't think much of him while we were in high school, but after we both graduated and he joined the air force, he became infinitely more attractive to me. I have a weakness for men in a uniform.

• 35:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Isn't that air force hair buzz?

• 35:49Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Is that what it's called?

• 35:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't they like buzz their hair?

• 35:52Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I, I thought that was like the term of like being into air, air force hair buzz.

• 35:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no. I just made that up.

• 35:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I was like, wow, I didn't know. My older sister married his older half brother. It sounds weird, but we joke that now we're sister wives and brother husbands.

• 36:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's like Jerry and Sarah.

• 36:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it's so weird because I like literally looked up. Tell me if we already read this because I swear we've read this, but I was looking up our email and we, it's the only email.

• 36:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it doesn't sound familiar so far.

• 36:19Corinne Vien?

  Maybe I've just read it so many times.

• 36:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 36:22Corinne Vien?

  In my own like saved inbox. We really like to say this just to make our parents uncomfortable. And me and my husband were told to never date because when we broke up, it would be so awkward for everyone else in the family. The unequivocal knowledge that we would break up eventually really made me question my dating life at the time. So I prayed to God, asking if there was someone out there for me. And I heard a voice say, yes, there is. You know him. Florida reptile keeper.

• 36:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What? So specific. Florida reptile keeper.

• 36:55Corinne Vien?

  The last two were just a kind of a jumbled whisper, almost like the connection was cutting out. And at the time I was a zookeeper, so I thought, oh, well, maybe I need to move to Florida and date a reptile keeper. But I didn't know any keepers in Florida.

• 37:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what's so weird? This is so random. Yesterday, when I was driving here for our recording, I just got so like consumed with this thought that what if someone in my apartment building has like a pet tarantula? And like, I got terrified by the feeling of like not knowing that someone in my building would have a pet tarantula. And like, what if it got loose and like wound up in my apartment? Like, what would I do about it? Like out of the blue.

• 37:32Corinne Vien?

  That's such an intrusive thought.

• 37:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's such an intrusive thought.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  But you don't normally have intrusive thoughts and now I kind of believe that someone has a tarantula.

• 37:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I have, I intrusive thoughts all the time.

• 37:38Corinne Vien?

  Like that?

• 37:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But I don't like it was.

• 37:41Corinne Vien?

  You never, you never take, talk about it.

• 37:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause I keep them inside.

• 37:45Corinne Vien?

  Oh, maybe I should start.

• 37:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I keep everything inside.

• 37:48Corinne Vien?

  I just tell my interests and thoughts.

• 37:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Corinne Vien?

  Geez.

• 37:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but so, I don't know.

• 37:54Corinne Vien?

  I hope not. But Leia will probably.

• 37:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A tarantula that, that's like as big as Leia.

• 38:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but yeah. But you keep them as pets, aren't they like no longer poisonous?

• 38:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're terr- I'm talking about the terror.

• 38:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The horror.

• 38:09Corinne Vien?

  The width of them.

• 38:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like you might see, you might see a spider that's like, like the size of like a fingernail and I see King Kong.

• 38:18Corinne Vien?

  It's terrifying. You know what I hate about New England?

• 38:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 38:21Corinne Vien?

  It feels like it's the safe area from giant spiders, but dock spiders. Oh, my God.

• 38:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also those spiders that laid eggs and infested your car and destroyed it.

• 38:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah. I literally had to get a new car because spiders ruined my last car.

• 38:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 38:36Corinne Vien?

  That was crazy.

• 38:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Terrifying.

• 38:38Corinne Vien?

  But no, in Maine at my Grammys, like there's a dock, you swim out to the dock and we're all out thirty feet from shore. A dock spider comes up from underneath it and is on the dock with us, which is like, I don't know, maybe nine by nine. It's not super huge and there's a few of us on there. We scream, we all jump in the water. We're swimming.

• 38:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where it came from?

• 38:58Corinne Vien?

  Well, now it's on the dock. So we're like swimming for sure. I'm like maybe four feet off of the dock right now and we're all getting in. And I turn back and the spider jumps in with us and is starting to move the same direction.

• 39:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, absolutely not.

• 39:11Corinne Vien?

  I thought it was gonna die.

• 39:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely not.

• 39:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're welcome to everyone who has arachnophobia and is listening.

• 39:20Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 39:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Back to the reptile keeper.

• 39:21Corinne Vien?

  Back to the reptile keeper. I don't know any keepers in Florida, so it was a bit puzzling. But I was in my late twenties and I decided to just put it on the back burner for a while while I healed from an abusive relationship that I had recently left and was working on my mental health. I decided to start taking care of myself by going to therapy, finding things I enjoyed and learning to be okay with doing things alone. A few months later, I went to my brother-in-law's basic training graduation. This brother-in-law is now my husband's half-brother, so my now-husband was also at the graduation. We reconnected and we got to talking. That old flame, for at least me, was rekindled. While we were chatting it up, he mentioned that he was stationed in Florida,

• 40:04Corinne Vien?

  and there was a zoo near him that I should consider applying to, since I'd mentioned that I was looking to get out of my current job and wanted to work in a different zoo. The next day, I checked their website and saw that they did have a zookeeper position available for a bird and reptile keeper. It instantly clicked. That jumbled, sort of disconnected response wasn't saying that my future husband was a reptile keeper in Florida. It was saying, "I knew him, he lived in Florida, and a reptile keeper position would get me there so that we could be together." I got the job. We moved in together within two months of talking, and we have been together for five years. Oh. After we started dating, I found out that we also went to the same elementary school for a year,

• 40:47Corinne Vien?

  and at our siblings' wedding, it's just the word siblings' wedding without like the context before, we walked down the aisle together as bridesmaid and groomsmen. At the time, we never would have guessed that just 10 years later, we would be walking down the aisle again together, but at our wedding as bride and groom. Oh. Another crazy connection that reminded me of the string theory is with my parents. My parents divorced when I was about three years old. My dad remarried when I was seven, and my mom remarried when I was 10. Years after my mom had married my stepdad, we found out that my dad and stepdad had lived in the same apartment complex right after my parents' divorce. Weird. We were basically neighbors with our future stepdad, and we never knew it. I had no idea.

• 41:30Corinne Vien?

  And even weirder, it turns out my stepdad's dad was high school friends with my dad's mom. They had pictures together from high school. I love that. I know. I believe our stepdad was always meant to have a role in our lives, and the fact that there were kind of two bizarre connections with my dad had solidified that. I feel so lucky to have two great father role models, and they share a really nice friendship as well. Anywho, those are my two experiences with the invisible string theory. Not sure how to sign off an email to one of my favorite podcasts, so da-da-da, um... Say, "I love you." Love you, bye. Good. Finally. From Angela. Make us beg. How cute is that? I love like the, oh, am I gonna marry a reptile keeper in Florida?

• 42:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like, close. That's the thing about getting messages like that is like when you first get it. And same with like astrology and interpreting your charts and stuff like what might seem like a weird message.

• 42:30Corinne Vien?

  Or a message that like at the time you're reading as one specific, in one specific way.

• 42:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually means something else.

• 42:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And then there's one more email from Angela. It's called, "My cat is obsessed with you. This isn't a story, just some fun pictures of my cats literally being obsessed with Lea and with Sabrina. While watching the replay of the lives Sabrina did about the object she bought in Salem at the thrift store, Lea meowed and my cat Theo came running into the room and proceeded to sit on the TV and watch her and Sabrina for the rest of the episode."

• 42:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cute.

• 42:59Corinne Vien?

  He would follow Lea around the screen, paw at her or Sabrina's hand if he wanted to get your attention. And when it ended, he jumped up to get closer to the TV to see where you both went. He loves you. We love you. Keep being amazing, Angie and also Theo.

• 43:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cute. Wait, I've actually seen multiple people have sent us photos of their pets who go crazy. Either, there's like videos where when our intro music plays, the pets like will howl with it. There's also videos and like photos of like, again, like similar like cats like coming up to the screen like pawing at it. So send us those photos. We'll post like a carousel of them on our Instagram. Okay, I have a story. It's a short one. This is from our listener Sarah and it's called, "Did I Lose My Virginity to a Ghost?" Hey ghostesses, my name is Sarah. Yes, you can say it because it's not my real name. Anyway, I've been listening for a while now and I know that Sabrina likes sexy ghost stories and so I thought I would share mine.

• 43:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love them. Okay, so at the time of the story, I was 19 and I was late to doing the sex thing, mostly because I just wasn't interested and I was much more on track and softball than I was on boys. Plus, I wasn't even sure I liked boys, but every time I would imagine a girl that got me going. I'm clairvoyant and have been seeing and communicating with ghosts since I was a little girl. Thankfully, most of my experiences have been positive, but there are a few that have scared me. I'll more on those later. I was laying in bed one night and it was around eight or nine PM and I was just doom scrolling Reddit or Instagram, I forget which, when I looked up and at the door of my bedroom, I saw a woman, a naked woman. It shocked me at first because, what?

• 44:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then I realized I'm seeing a ghost, which is also shocking because I've never seen a naked ghost before.

• 44:46Corinne Vien?

  Yes. I kinda didn't know they could come naked.

• 44:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then I felt wisps of air traveling up my thighs. Since I had never done anything like this before, the feeling sent me. Mind you, I was underneath a thick comforter and wearing sweatpants. Anyway, I got the image in my head of someone closing their eyes and I took that as a sign that the ghost wanted me to close my eyes. So I did. And the moment my eyes closed, I felt the most sensational, intense, explosive feeling I have ever felt before in my life. It was so warm, so gentle, so everything that I had ever imagined. And before I knew it, it was done. I was done. I think maybe it lasted only fifteen to twenty seconds, but it was enough for me just to melt.

• 45:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I still think about it eleven years later. I have never felt anything as intense as I did that night.

• 45:37Corinne Vien?

  That's wild.

• 45:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thanks for reading. I'll pee my pants if you read this on the podcast, Sarah.

• 45:42Corinne Vien?

  That's amazing.

• 45:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Amazing.

• 45:44Corinne Vien?

  It's like it happened so quick. It was also confirmation of the desire and attraction towards women.

• 45:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 45:52Corinne Vien?

  And also I love that this woman just showed up and she was naked and she was like, close your eyes.

• 45:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there's no foreplay. She's just like, here I am.

• 45:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 45:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Here you come.

• 45:59Corinne Vien?

  You were curious about yourself and what this could be like. Just close your eyes.

• 46:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I got this.

• 46:03Corinne Vien?

  I'll show you.

• 46:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I do feel bad that Sarah's never experienced anything quite like that in eleven years.

• 46:09Corinne Vien?

  Uh, yeah. Although I will say, I feel like this story is very different from so many of the like sex with ghosts that we have where it's like a male ghost coming forward. So I feel like oftentimes the male ghosts are, you discover that they're there when they're already on you.

• 46:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Corinne Vien?

  And this woman was like.

• 46:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I present myself to you.

• 46:26Corinne Vien?

  I present myself if you would like it.

• 46:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Close your eyes.

• 46:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it.

• 46:33Corinne Vien?

  Tame.

• 46:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 46:34Corinne Vien?

  I want to see what she looks like. Will you?

• 46:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Draw a picture.

• 46:37Corinne Vien?

  Paint a picture.

• 46:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Paint a picture of her for us?

• 46:39Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Because a naked ghost sounds scary, you know?

• 46:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I imagine like she's sexy, she's glowing, there's like, I'm picturing like, I mean, women are just like mystical, magical beings. Like, I just imagine pure magic.

• 46:52Corinne Vien?

  So many paintings.

• 46:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nude.

• 46:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Pretty.

• 46:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Beautiful.

• 46:56Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have a story called Wedding Present From Heaven. Hey, girls. I have a happy story for you guys. It's not quite a normal ghost story. At the end of July, my fiance and I bought a china cabinet. I jokingly told him that when we finished setting it up in the dining room, that we now needed some nice wine glasses. I then looked at my phone and saw that I received a random Facebook message from someone saying, "Hi, Vicky, are you related to Marilyn?" Last name included, but redacted. "If so, please contact me as soon as possible." Now, I'm looking at that thinking that this is my godmother's first name, but I actually didn't know my godmother's last name. So I called my mom, asking if this person was my godmother Marilyn. And my mom says, "Yes," wondering why I'm randomly asking. So I tell her.

• 47:41Corinne Vien?

  I call the random Facebook messenger, saying, "Yes, I'm related to Marilyn." And Barb, the name of the woman who messaged me, says, "I have some etched wine glasses that should be yours, and I'm coming down to where you live."

• 47:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 47:56Corinne Vien?

  She promises to call me back later. I call my parents back, and this time I'm talking to my dad. My dad is really confused as to what's going on, especially with these wine glasses, because my godmother, she died 15 years ago, and her husband died 14 years ago. Also, these wine glasses are etched by my great uncle, so they're probably easily 60-plus years old.

• 48:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, like, he etched them himself?

• 48:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So cool.

• 48:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Talk about talent.

• 48:21Corinne Vien?

  My dad and I are both near tears, because after all this time, why now? My dad had mailed a letter to Barb asking for these 14 years ago, but never heard anything. A day later, Barb calls me again, telling me that she had a feeling that she needed... To give me those etched glasses. She said she had a few boxes of old photos. And fast forward to the weekend, I have the wine glasses. I'm unpacking them crying because I knew that these were the wedding present from Marilyn and from her husband Larry. Because I'm getting married in October, so just a few months away. And here's the kicker. On my registry, one of the gifts I had listed was a set of etched wine glasses.

• 49:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like literally the day before getting this message, they just talked about filling them with

• 49:09Corinne Vien?

  With wine glasses. And these were not fancy or anything, just wanted something meaningful. I attached a picture of my present, which are the wine glasses, which I'll show you. They're so pretty. Thank you for all that you do. Stay spooky and see you on the other side. Like how pretty, I can't believe someone It's like just the talent to etch these.

• 49:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, they're so beautiful.

• 49:30Corinne Vien?

  They are.

• 49:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, there's like two sizes too, like the, or three sizes? Wow, they're beautiful.

• 49:37Corinne Vien?

  How amazing. Barb was holding on to them and then

• 49:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For the right moment.

• 49:42Corinne Vien?

  Marilyn was like, hey, you've got to give these up. These are my wedding gift to my goddaughter.

• 49:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. I will say when, because like for years, like I lived in Los Angeles, right? But my mom had my great grandmother's set of china and my grandmother's set of china. And she was like, you get to pick. So I chose my great grandmother's set of china. But I could never have it because I lived so far away. I was so excited to finally like move to the East Coast and like the first thing I did was like pack up my car from my mom's house with that china. And it's stunning. It's so beautiful. Like the glassware is the most like, oh, I'm just like obsessed with it. But I never like get to use it.

• 50:20Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 50:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's also it has like the gold rim. So you can't like microwave them. You can't dishwasher.

• 50:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, exactly. But that's my, my parents when they moved recently, they were like, do you want the china? I said, no.

• 50:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. And also nowadays China doesn't have like the same value, but like I just love having something that my great grandmother got for her wedding. Like, I think that's just like so beautiful.

• 50:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it is.

• 50:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was like the prized possession. Like you bring out the china for like the fancy dinners.

• 50:50Corinne Vien?

  Right. And that's like what you wanted on your wedding, like the fancy set of china for hosting, for being the family.

• 50:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  China also makes me think of the Titanic, which also makes me think of love and romance and crying. So, Happy Valentine's Day and Happy Galentine's Day and Happy Gulentine's Day.

• 51:10Corinne Vien?

  We love you.

• 51:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We love you. And we do have an extra-

• 51:12Corinne Vien?

  With all of our bleeding, dark hearts.

• 51:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Our bleeding, dark hearts, pumping. Feel it in your hand. Do you feel it?

• 51:18Corinne Vien?

  Put it in some meatpacking paper and shove it in your desk drawer.

• 51:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like Mary Shelley. Or put it in a jar and put formaldehyde and save it forever. Uh, we also have one extra story for you if you are a bleeding heart like us and just want more on Patreon. So go over there to hear it. But until then, we love you.

• 51:41Corinne Vien?

  Shout out to Jamie and Emma. Thank you, guys. And shout out to all of you. Happy Valentine's Day and we will see you on the other side.

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