Pod Insights The Impact Theory Podcast The War on Elon Musk: Cyber Attacks, Tesla Vandalism & AI’s Unstoppable Rise | The Tom Bilyeu Show About this episode Tom teams up with co-host Drew to dissect the disruptive influence of technology and politics in today's world. They dive deep into the rapid advancements pushed by figures like Elon Musk and the ever-changing landscape of AI, raising essential questions about society's unease with technological and political shifts. From the cyber attacks on X (formerly known as Twitter) to the political tensions surrounding Tesla, this is a conversation that will expand your understanding of modern challenges and how leaders navigate these tumultuous waters.
Tom and Drew break down the public's heightened emotions and frustrations as they navigate through dramatic technological changes. They explore provocative questions around Elon Musk's influence on society and the broader implication of AI that are reshaping the world as we know it.
SHOWNOTES
00:00 Rapid Change Induces Anxiety
06:40 Elon's Provocative Political Impact
23:37 Strategic Election Timing Advice
34:28 "Gundam: Fiction to Reality?"
51:45 AI Goal Alignment Risks
01:12:35 Shared Life: Beyond Checklists
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1:30 Tom Bilyeu? AI menus prove AI can build. AI objects prove they can make us feel. And AI drives another nail into Hollywood's coffin. Meanwhile, John Mearsheimer gives another hot take on how the Russia-Ukraine war will end, and DC begins dismantling the BLM Plaza as the federal government threatens to withhold funding. Drew, this is the most disruptive moment in history, and Elon is giving everybody a lightning rod for their frustrations. This is crazy.
1:59 Speaker 01 It's getting scary at this point because if it's one, if it's not the dealership, it's X. If it's not X, it's attacks on the cyber. It's, he's getting hit on all different directions.
2:09 Tom Bilyeu? All different fronts.
2:10 Speaker 01 Let's just start at the top. Um, he posted this recently, why are liberals so violent? Legacy media propaganda is a major part of the problem. And this is in response to Kofi Times News saying, I saw a cyber track in my city for the first time yesterday. It made my blood boil. I had to resist the urge to follow the guy into the mall, parking lot and kick the shit out of him. And that's how I feel about supporting Elon. I'm not kidding. It crossed my mind and then I thought about it, just putting a rock through the windshield while I was charging at Limeridge Mall. Maybe next time. And then somebody in Oregon actually did that. They threw Molotov cocktails inside a Tesla dealership. And then seven days after that, they sprayed seven shots through the window. Luckily, nobody was hurt except a bunch of cyber trucks. Um, there, this has to be connected, right?
2:54 Speaker 01 This rhetoric and these attacks.
2:56 Tom Bilyeu? You, you've got the perfect storm of a moment of disruption that is so fast and so profound that it provokes a level of anxiety, even in people like me. I love technology. I actually like change, but there is a rate of change that is hard for people to metabolize, to be able to look into the future, even three or four years and feel like, okay, I know where we're going to be. It provides a tremendous amount of comfort to people. When you look in to the future six months and you can't imagine where things are going to be because you constantly have things coming across your feed that are, each one is so spectacular that they almost become just white noise. It's just happening so fast.
3:39 Tom Bilyeu? And the fact that Elon stepped into the political sphere, which is already one of the things, the three things I say never to talk about. You've got him at the nexus of that anxiety provoking change as well as taking a very aggressive political stance in a way that is like designed to provoke maximum insecurity with him being, you know, with the chainsaw and like, I'm going to go in and just cut all these departments. People are just not here for it. And then on top of some people, I should say, and then on top of that, you have this left, right divide where people are racing away from each other from a value systems perspective, as fast, certainly in my life, if I, as I have seen people race away from each other.
4:24 Tom Bilyeu? So if you have these very limbic brain emotional responses to what's happening, you need somewhere to place the frustration. You need a way to act out. This is like when you think about why do humans yell when they get frustrated? You have this incredibly strong urge to make physical your frustration. This is why, or your emotion, that's a better way to say it. We have an extreme drive to make physical whatever strong emotion we're feeling. This is why when people are nervous, they will jitter their body around, they'll shake. When you're angry or scared, you're gonna yell, you're gonna verbalize. We just have this need to externalize it. And so, um, one thing we haven't talked about, and I don't know if you have queued up later,
5:08 Tom Bilyeu? there was also an armed assailant at the White House who was shot, uh, trying to breach security. So people just have this need to externalize. So whether it's vandalizing, Tesla vehicles, you're seeing more people spray paint on them, key them. In fact, keying, I know for sure, I think people have been spray painting them as well. But finding some way to express their frustration on the physical edifice of the thing that they dislike. Uh, I saw this a lot as the green movement really started to pick up steam. You would see people spitting on Hummers and defacing Hummers. And so it's the same impulse that people have,
5:48 Tom Bilyeu? but Elon gives them a singular individual to target and go after. And that's where, it gets worrisome.
5:58 Speaker 01 He's a representation of all those things.
6:01 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, because now, one, he's got to worry about his life, legitimately, a guy that has a ton of security around him all the time, in a way that previously, at that level, you would have only seen with presidents. Um, so seeing a private citizen have to...
6:18 Tom Bilyeu? Guard up like this is pretty crazy.
6:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, so first they were protesting against Doge. And then it's just as we talked about the Tesla stores and Tesla vehicles are now being attacked. And then this morning, there was a massive cyber attack against X. He said, um, there was and still is a massive cyber attack against X. We get attacked every day, but this one was done with a lot of resources, either a large coordinated group and or a country is involved. And then when they came down to it, there was a DDoS alert that retweeted this. They said that to anyone that was wondering why the X Twitter was down, it was under attack by Darkstorm Team. Method DDoS date March 10th, 2025. So an online team has took credit for it.
6:54 Tom Bilyeu? Or somebody's applying credit. Are they saying they are Darkstorm or they just claiming that they know?
6:59 Speaker 01 They claim, they're claiming they know Darkstorm Team did it. Um, and then this is through kind of their screenshots. I'm assuming this is like 4chan or something like that. So it's, it, it seems to me that to your point, the frustration has to get channeled toward them. But is this the right way to funnel this energy? Cause I feel like hurting Elon Musk is not going to stop all of these things that people are feeling. It's not gonna cure the income divide. It's not going to make houses more affordable. It's not going to help the price of eggs. So why this attack to Elon? Is it just misplaced frustration? Like, where do you think it's coming from?
7:34 Tom Bilyeu? It's on a scale of violence works. So this is one of those makes me very sad, but once you map the world under Realpolitik, meaning the strong will do as they will, the weak will suffer as they must. People get to violence when they no longer feel that they're empowered from a voice perspective, the pen being mightier than the sword. Uh, but humans always and forever have fallen back on violence. When they are not able to reason their way to the outcome that they want, humans pushed sufficiently will always resort to violence. So you're obviously going to see, uh, the most unstable be the ones that attack first. But as it gains steam, you're going to find more and more people feel more,
8:18 Tom Bilyeu? they feel disenfranchised to the point where violence seems like the only reasonable option. This always makes me go back to, and it's interesting because of what's happening in South Africa. But the person who in his recent history, anyway, that I admire the most is Nelson Mandela. And to the point where after reading, oh, I actually did not mean to do this. I'm wearing a shirt from the comic book that I wrote after reading, um, his book, Long Walk to Freedom called Neon Future. Written years ago before AI was such a real thing. But the whole idea was that he clung to this thing he called the third way. And
8:55 Tom Bilyeu? when you, the, the whole idea of the third way is you can either be oppressed, you can become the oppressor, or you can find a harmonious way of peace to find a reconciled solution. And so he stays in prison for 28 years. People are coming to him the whole time from the new youth-led movements and they're saying, we need to be violent. And he said, look, I always keep violence as an option in my back pocket, but we're not there yet. And we have this opportunity to reconcile, to bring people together. And I was just like, I honestly, I, I know myself well enough. I could not sit in prison for 28 years to make a point. So he is clearly somebody that has
9:36 Tom Bilyeu? an internal fortitude that I lack. I mean, it's just, it, it is mind boggling. And so when he came out and was like, oh, I want people that are white on my security team. And people were like, what? Like, that's crazy. Why would you do that? So anyway, he was just driving, trying to drive people towards this middle way. Neon Future was about, I think, a world that is still coming where you've got technology and the people that embrace it as fast as you can, Elon Musk, and people that think this level of disruption and change is sent by the devil to destroy us. There's gonna have to be a negotiation between those two worlds. And I think this is part of what we're living in right now, both on a political and technological front. It, it is because those two waves are hitting and creating this rogue wave of frustration,
10:20 Tom Bilyeu? fear, that this rogue wave is getting so big. And I don't know where it stops. I don't know if the violence just continues to escalate on a political level, if not at the level of the continued attacks on Elon's companies, but certainly at the political level. And you can't have the right and the left flying away from each other at this rate for much longer before this becomes a problem. This is why Ray Dalio has been talking about civil war for so long. I think it is very fair to say that America is in a cold civil war. The two sides really have disdain for each other. So how does this all play out? Something either brings us back together. We get a legendary figure like a Nelson Mandela, who can paint a picture of unity.
11:04 Tom Bilyeu? But just like South Africa is now spun out of control. Now that that era has died off. It obviously did not achieve the ends that it was hoping to achieve. Otherwise, the frustrations would have dissipated. Was that because he died and just wasn't able to carry things across the finish line? I don't know. I haven't looked closely enough at it. But that is always my fear, that you need a level of suffering that is so total that people give up. And we'll get to this in a minute with Mirshimer, because that's basically what he's saying is there's just going to be so much suffering. People will just quit.
11:37 Tom Bilyeu? But this is the idea behind total victory. So all of this started because violence is always an option. And unfortunately, violence works. And when it's carried to the point where there is a clear undisputed winner, like what you're seeing between Israel and Palestine,
11:56 Tom Bilyeu? it works, man. And so it just breaks people. So what you're seeing are the early spillovers into violence as an option.
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14:23 Speaker 01 And it is materializing because just like you mentioned earlier, there was an attack on the White House this weekend. Let's hear the update from Sky News.
14:29 Speaker 02 The US Secret Service has shot a man near the White House in Washington DC. That's according to our colleagues at NBC News in the States. It happened shortly after midnight after an armed confrontation with law enforcement. According to the Secret Service there, they say local police had reported what they described as a suicidal individual who had possibly traveled to Washington DC from Indiana. They later located a vehicle and spotted a person on foot who matched the description. They then brandished a firearm, the report says, and an armed confrontation ensued during which shots were.
15:10 Speaker 02 Fired by Secret Service personnel, they've confirmed the man was shot and has been taken to hospital. And this all happened on the intersection of Seventeenth Streets and F Street Northwest, which is near the White House in Washington DC. So just to reiterate, the US Secret Service has shot a man near the White House in Washington DC. He has subsequently been taken to hospital.
15:35 Tom Bilyeu? All right, it'll be very interesting to hear what his stated motives are. It'll be very interesting to see if he's mentally ill. When you're doing something like that, it's uncoordinated, it's a one-off guy. This stuff is usually tied to mental illness. Obviously, you can put a tinfoil hat on and say that these people are being pushed by mainstream media. That narrative is already coming out, that mainstream narrative, mainstream media has been pushing a narrative of Trump as Hitler and so on and so forth for so long, that people feel like certain people that are probably more prone to a psychic break or mental illness, whatever, feel pushed, that they have to do something, that they have a moral obligation to do something.
16:18 Tom Bilyeu? And so they get themselves into this desperate state where it's like, there's no reason to live. We're going to hell in a handbasket. I at least need to do my part to try to stop this. Again, another thing that's sort of time-tested, that people will do that.
16:33 Tom Bilyeu? So it just becomes a question of, does that keep gaining steam? Or do we find a way to begin backing off all of this stuff? Right now, I certainly don't see any indication that we're going to begin backing off of this. I think there was a brief moment where
16:47 Tom Bilyeu? the left felt rudderless enough and the victory was decisive enough that people were optimistic that the left would start elevating leaders that are more centrist in nature. I don't know that we see evidence of that. There might be a little bit of evidence of that in the recent promotion of the new Canadian Prime Minister, who is, at least at early reports, more centrist. If we see something similar in the US, if John Fetterman or somebody like that begins gaining more prominence and people start feeling like, okay, like this is a move to the center.
17:27 Tom Bilyeu? The problem is Trump is so populist that if you get the flip of Biden pulling us all to the left, and now if Trump just yanks us all to the right, you'll get that pendulum swing that people were talking about, where you'll start hearing people on the right saying, I didn't leave the right, the right left me. And so I don't know, we'll see how that ends up playing out, but that's the antenna that everybody should have up is, okay, we rejected all of the authoritarian top-down stuff that was coming from the left, but are we now just going to embrace it as Trump, you know, bangs on about a third term, which freaks me out to no end? What's he gonna do with the Panama Canal? What's he gonna do with
18:10 Tom Bilyeu? Greenland? What's he gonna do with Canada? Like, is he gonna continue to browbeat people with economic warfare so that he actually can weaken their economy to the point where they will come to the table and be like, ah, maybe not the 51st date, but like, we want to become, um, this is such a wild prognostication. I'm not saying it's going there, and I want to be very careful, but like, is that part of what's in his head? That I want to weaken these guys to where they become a vassal for the United States? I think that that is a pretty ugly outcome, and I would really hate to see it. If it's just negotiating, great, but Trump is giving people whiplash with a lot of the policies that he's using in the negotiations. So, near term, definitely comes across as manic.
18:54 Tom Bilyeu? Long term, may come, may be brilliant, and maybe like, hey, cool, now we have better relations with Canada, economically better, that they are better for America. It on shores key manufacturing points, and maybe they get deft enough, instead of, if they threaten chainsaw, but actually use scalpel, cool. But the problem is, the velocity and volume of information, the level of transparency, makes that very difficult, because the self-awareness that everybody has, because they hear all of this stuff being talked about, creates a weird dynamic in the negotiating room. And so, it gets... Really crazy. This may feel like a fractal, but if I can make this make sense.
19:35 Tom Bilyeu? There is a reason that the stock market and the financial world follows what people often refer to as the path of most pain. Because just when you think you understand it, the fact that everybody understands it that way means almost definitionally, that's the only direction it can't move in. Because that price is already baked into the stock market. This is why that old adage of, uh, once you're the shoe shine boy starts giving you stock tips, it's time to sell. Because it means you no longer know what's gonna happen. Because you've hit a point where the information, the narrative has saturated everybody's thinking such that everyone believes that thing is going to happen.
20:17 Tom Bilyeu? And the only way to quote unquote, win in the stock market is to bet against the consensus and be right. And so we have a very similar thing that's going to play itself out in all of these negotiations, where if the narrative of what Trump is doing, he negotiates with a chainsaw, but he uses a scalpel. If all the people that he's negotiating against have that narrative, they all believe it to be true, they will come into the negotiation armed with that. And therefore, that is the only strategy that won't work. And so then it may force him to actually use the chainsaw. Because if they, if it was originally meant to be a bluff, but then gets called as a bluff, he has to play it.
20:57 Tom Bilyeu? And so I think, man, and I'm thinking about this in real time, but if we end up realizing that politics also will follow the past path of most pain, I would not be surprised.
21:09 Speaker 01 I think, and they're already having those ripple effects outside of the US. That takes us to Mark Carney, Canada's new prime minister, who was a central bank turned centrist politician. Now, just to be clear, for people who don't know about Canadian politics, we got our Crash Course thrown alive this morning.
21:24 Tom Bilyeu? Shout out to chat, chat, we love you.
21:26 Speaker 01 It's the equivalent of the US running a primary to replace the incumbent president. So Justin Trudeau stepped down, so the left democratic side of Canada was able to like have a vote for a candidate.
21:39 Tom Bilyeu? They did not go out. To the voting public just within their own parliamentary systems work.
21:44 Speaker 01 He did win, he did win eighty-six percent of the vote within the party. So the party overwhelmingly threw their support behind him. But the interesting thing that ties me back to Trump is that people are now thinking that the country is starting to turn more progressive. Because there's a lot of anti-Trump sentiment rising with him trying to make it the fifty-first state with his increase in tariffs. And Pierre Poliev, who was leading in the polls and was rumored to be the next prime minister. People are now being less happy about him because he's more in the lane of Trump. He's a populist who has similar rhetoric. So I'm seeing the ripple effect of people seeing Trump using these bully tactics.
22:25 Speaker 01 And now Canadian voters are saying, do we actually want that to run our country? Maybe we do go in this other direction. So their general election isn't until October twentieth, unless there's like an emergency call within two of the, both of the, both of the political parties agree to have an earlier election. But I don't think any political party will volunteer to give up power. They're going to kind of ride this out until October twentieth for the general election.
22:47 Tom Bilyeu? I have a slightly different take. If I were advising them, I would say, hey, guys, what you want to do is find the period of peak popularity of your party between now and October, when you absolutely must have the election. And have it at the moment of peak popularity. Now, whether the other side will go for that, I don't know. And I don't know enough about whether the, it's just a vote and whether they are, they can be outvoted by the current group in power. In which case, then that would be the obvious strategy to play. But if it is, both sides have to agree and they can veto it. I don't know. I don't know enough about how Canadian parliamentary procedure works to know. But that would be the advice. If you really can pull the trigger anytime between now and then, pull it at peak popularity.
23:30 Speaker 01 Hundred percent. And then wrapping up our international news coverage, we have John Mearsheimer, who had an interesting take about the Russia-Ukraine conflict. His perspective is that he thinks, I'm gonna let you guys hear from, from his.
23:42 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah. And whether, by the way, whether you love Mearsheimer or not, so this is like King Realpolitik. He is a very, he's, he's a realist. Now, you can hate him, that's absolutely fine, but I find that he like, whatever you're hearing in mainstream news, you want to then go listen to your boy Mearsheimer and get a totally different take. And so this is very interesting.
24:02 Speaker 03 Well, it's not going to be a negotiated standstill because that equals a ceasefire. And the Russians have made it unequivocally clear that there's not going to be a ceasefire. The question is, will Zelensky agree to the peace terms that the United States is now pushing forward with the Russians? And he does not, under any circumstances, want to accept those terms. Because he would in effect be conceding what is, has been Ukrainian territory to Russia. He would have to accept Russian annexation of those four oblasts in the east and Crimea. And he would have to accept that Ukraine would be demilitarized.
24:45 Speaker 03 And at the same time, it would be a neutral state. He can't accept that, not only because- But it's inevitably coming. There's no way around it. There's no question about that. But he just refuses to accept it. And it will probably be the case that somebody else has to accept it, that he won't accept it. I mean, maybe he will accept it, but, but it is what's coming. I mean, look, the United States, the West Europeans, East Europeans and Ukraine, all four of those actors together could not defeat the Russians on the battlefield. The Russians are winning up against those four actors.
25:23 Tom Bilyeu? Okay, so when we first watched this, I think both you and I had a seizure when he said that. The literal words he's saying is that America, Europe, Ukraine, and I always forget the fourth person he throws in.
25:34 Speaker 01 He says Eastern and Western Europe.
25:36 Tom Bilyeu? Got it, got it. He's saying that they couldn't beat Russia on the battlefield. That seems crazy to me, especially given how weakened Russia has become in this fight. Now-
25:51 Tom Bilyeu? For his stance to make sense, one of two things is true. Either he knows something about the Russian military gaining strength through all of this that I'm unaware of, possible, or that what he means is that
26:05 Tom Bilyeu? the US, Eastern, Western Europe do not have the will to engage troops on the battlefield. That isn't literally what he says, but I can't make that make sense. So it's either that he has a take on those militaries that I just don't share. Hey, fair enough. This is what he does for a living. But there's no way that's going to be a universally held explanation. There's no way. Even Europe is in a obviously hard pass. And so you gotta be kidding. So we'll see, but certainly the financial resources, the human resources of those four put together dwarf what Russia has.
26:45 Tom Bilyeu? Russia, Ukraine, with merely financial support and weapon support, but from the US and Europe have been able to stymie Russia. So when everybody was saying that this was going to be like a two week long war, obviously that was wrong. And so the fact that the Ukraine has been able to hold them off as long as they have, I just cannot fathom that he really means that those four would not be able to defeat Russia in an actual kinetic war. It just seems shocking.
27:10 Speaker 01 Fingers crossed he didn't mean boots on the ground and we never actually find out.
27:14 Tom Bilyeu? Let's see what else he has to say.
27:15 Speaker 03 Taking the most important actor out of the equation besides the Ukrainians themselves, and that's the United States. Do you really think that the Europeans plus the Ukrainians can stand up for the Russian steamroll if they couldn't with the Americans in the mix? And the answer is no. So he's.
27:34 Tom Bilyeu? Okay, so that's the part that makes me think he has to mean just the will to fight. Because obviously the US has hardly been in the mix. They've given some weapons, they've given some money, but compared to like just fully unleashing their economic support, printing money as a way to fund like basically an ad infinitum war, getting whatever military power we have behind us, admittedly wildly diminished since where it was for World War II. But still, like, there's a lot of ground that we haven't been willing to tread. We haven't wanted to go on the offensive. We haven't wanted to back Putin into what's known as death ground where he feels like, whoa, if I don't.
28:19 Tom Bilyeu? If I don't win, I'm gonna die because then you obviously have nuclear becomes a question on the table. So there are a lot of things that we haven't done. So he makes sense if he's saying we don't have the will to do it. And he stops making sense when it's like, no, no, no, we really get involved. Play a little bit more.
28:35 Speaker 03 And you would think under those circumstances, it would make sense to accept the peace deal that Trump is trying to work out. But no Ukrainian that I see at this point in time
28:49 Speaker 03 in a leadership position is likely to accept.
28:52 Tom Bilyeu? There's one question I really want to ask Mearsheimer. This is my hypothesis about what Trump is actually doing, which I obviously do not know to be true. But man, does everything, every move that he's made up to this point tells me the following is true. Again, I will ask people to understand my thinking in the following way. I look up at the sky. I see a bunch of stars. I tell myself a story. We will call those constellations. They allow me to steer. Okay. But I know that the constellations are not real. But nonetheless, man, they connect in a pretty convincing way that gives you predictive validity. So the constellations that I see in Trump's behavior with the way that he talks about, okay, the green new scam,
29:31 Tom Bilyeu? this is all BS. Drill, baby, drill. We want to not have foreign dependence on our, our energy needs. That the way that Europe got themselves in trouble is they continue to rely on Russian oil and gas. He's threatened Russia with sanctions. Okay, well, we've been sanctioning Russia to death, and that didn't stop them. So if I'm him, and I'm putting them together in a very useful constellation, it would look something like this. The reason that I want Canada to be the 51st state, the reason that I want to move away from green stuff, is that I know that if we can, that we have an absolute metric ton, just
30:14 Tom Bilyeu? a shit ton of oil and natural gas here in the US, if we use novel methods to get them out, that Canada has as much, if not more, that we could be unlocking from there as well, if they were the 51st state, or If we got somebody like Pierre Poliev, who theoretically has similar stances. Now, the sanctions that we could put on Russia will be on the part of their economy that will actually hurt them. Because anybody looking at that, it's got to be like, dude, they gobbled up the sanctions last time they adapted and they just kept moving forward. It wasn't strong enough. And we did a recent episode with Edward Fishman, who's from the State Department or formerly of the State Department, talks about how economic sanctions can really be used to topple governments when you're aggressive.
30:59 Tom Bilyeu? And that's the thing that remains on the state. If you can get Europe to use America to, first of all, stop being as green as they are and start finding their own natural gas, oil, start leveraging what we have in North America, you can pull them off of a need to pursue oil and natural gas from Russia or greatly diminish the need that you get from them. That would put Russia in such an economically weak position that now all of a sudden, it's like you really are in a position to be super aggressive, be very dominant if you could weaken them economically like that. So he's so smart, Mearsheimer. I really want to ask him that question. There's no way he is blind to that possibility. So I would love to hear his take on that.
31:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:43 Tom Bilyeu? Because that seems like the obvious play. If Trump is really doing that, can actually get those dominoes to fall, I don't see how that doesn't weaken Russia's economy to the point of where they would absolutely 100% have to come to the negotiating table.
31:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, one side, you're losing so many economic dollars and on the other side, your enemies are loading up on money, a trillion dollars. You know, you gotta call a spade a spade.
32:05 Tom Bilyeu? Meaning Europe's whole promise, 800 billion to a trillion.
32:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:09 Tom Bilyeu? Agreed.
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32:20 Speaker 01 All right. In future tech news, we had quite the week. We got mechs that are high. I didn't even say hydraulic powered. They're like more like puppets. There's no electricity, no motors, 88 pounds, exoskeletons.
32:36 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, this is probably like a pulley system if I had to guess, which is why they are able to articulate it by individual fingers and stuff. Uh, it's, this is basically just a really fancy puppet. However, uh, knowing that there are robots, I think they're the ones being made by figure that look like humans. They have 206 bones in them. They have faux cartilage, faux tendons, and they use water, if I remember correctly, for a circulatory system. And I think they use hydraulics to motorize them. Uh, and then if you put that together with some of the things that Palmer Lucky has been talking about with the exosuits that they're building, that are like, um, all you need
33:15 Tom Bilyeu? is kill edge of tomorrow, uh, suits where it's like you can run a mile faster and with less energy usage than you otherwise would. You still end up being tired at the end of your race, but they exaggerate your strength. They exaggerate your stamina. Um, it shows a future where like Gundam is real and that we actually step inside of a mech suit and do our thing. Like it is, it is so hard to tease out whether
33:46 Tom Bilyeu? the tech is like giving inclinations enough to the sci-fi writers that they're just on point with what they write, or if it's a bit of life influences art, which then influences tech. Like, were Gundam an inevitability? Or did the act of writing Gundam bring this stuff into existence? Dude, as so. Because my first identity is that of the writer, I cannot help but think like, yo, how much of the future can I invent just by putting these ideas in people's heads? This is why I think it is so critical that kids read, that they have things to be inspired by, that they have entertainment that broadens their scope of what's possible.
34:31 Tom Bilyeu? Because those kids grow up with those ideas embedded in their minds and they want to make it real. This is why I'm, look, I admittedly am totally behind Elon, whether I always agree with him or not. Like, the fact that he has so inspired me to dream of like actually having colonies on Mars, like that, that is, that gets me excited in a way that is hard to quantify. And my hope is that that really infects an entire generation of builders who will come out and leverage AI. As he has said, all the things that they've been able to accomplish with SpaceX have been pre-AI. So this is just humans putting their brains together and building some incredible things.
35:16 Tom Bilyeu? And now we're about to have AI on the table, which is really going to be able to push this.
35:20 Speaker 01 It's gonna, it's gonna just ramp it up. The exponential rate is gonna be so crazy. And then on the flip side of mech robots, we have real life Pixar lamp bots. And this brings us back to our conversation about robotics. Everybody thinks it's gonna be humanoid or mech suits when there is now functional robots that are gonna have different form factors and do different things specifically.
35:41 Tom Bilyeu? This is so cool. An expressive robot, that is, that is gonna become ubiquitous. As humans, we have a desire to connect. It is hardwired into us.
35:53 Speaker 01 He's shaking his head.
35:54 Tom Bilyeu? And the thought of being able to have a relationship with my chair or to have a relationship with my lamp is A, inevitable, and B, for me anyway, I really like that idea. Because, so I was building my own GPT this weekend. Dude, I don't know how to explain it other than you feel a connection to it. I feel like I have a teammate because so the first thing you do when you're building a GPT is you tell it what you want it to do. So I always say I want it to act like my best friend so that it wants me to win. But to help me win, it's going to have to point out flaws in my thinking. It's going to have to challenge my ideas like it's really got to help me make it better.
36:38 Tom Bilyeu? And so imagine if you had a chair that could through electrical signals, for instance, tell like, put on a bit of fat, Tom. I hate to say it, like the weight on the scale might be the same, but you're losing muscle mass and you're gaining fat. And so you told me that your goals were to gain muscle and lose fat. You're moving in the opposite direction. For me, that would be incredible to have my chair be like, hey, bro, look, you said that you wanted me to remind you to stand up every now and then. You cool if we like move into a position, uh, go into standing time. I have a word, man. Thank you so much. I completely forgot. I got lost in it. And like it does this thing and I stand up or my fridge that's like, yo, you're really keeping your, um, your glucose down.
37:22 Tom Bilyeu? You know, I've been getting the readings off of your sensor. I just want to, you know, big up you like, well done. Like you're really playing this right. And do that for me, like that's a world that I want to live in. That sounds awesome. Or like, if I could go to the mirror and just be like, you know, look, my wife is feeling a bit down right now. Like if you could just like say some really positive things, I don't know. I love all that shit. Like that to me is so cool to be able to, instead of having just a bunch of inanimate, functional objects, to have things that feel like they're on your team and they care about you. And look, I get it. It's all AI. It's all fake, heavy on the artificial. But my brain cannot help but interpret that in positive ways. And so when I feel like I'm working with chat to create something.
38:06 Tom Bilyeu? It feels so good, man. It's just, it's really, really fun. And I would encourage people in the midst of all of your anxieties about the rate of change, go engage with this stuff.
38:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:18 Tom Bilyeu? And realize how much you can ask it to do cool things for you as you define it. What do you think is cool? What do you want? You don't have to train it to be like I trained mine. If you just want your chair to be like, no matter what, you're a G, I love you, like you're doing it right. Cool. Then you can get that feedback, whatever you want. If you want your chair and your lamp to be like puppy dogs that are just always excited to see you, that feels good. Like anybody that's ever had a dog just feels good. When you walk into the room and they're super pumped to see you. Like imagine your lamp, your chair, like, oh my God, you're here. Like, we're so excited to see you. This is awesome. So as we get to a demographic point where the pyramid is inverted and there's very few young people and a lot of old people that are lonely. This is gonna be, this is quite literally going to save lives from people that otherwise would have tapped out and wanted some euthanasia.
39:02 Tom Bilyeu? It's going to make end of life care way better because as kids, you're not chained to your parent in their declining years, that you know that they're being loved and taken care of, not just by you, but by inanimate objects, loved as in they, they themselves will perceive it as they are being loved.
39:20 Speaker 01 It's giving me like Beauty of the Beast, how like, you know, like all the, the teapot and the candlestick and all those other things of like actually moving together. Like it's interesting.
39:29 Tom Bilyeu? Drew, I love that.
39:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:30 Tom Bilyeu? I love that.
39:31 Speaker 01 It's cool. Another feature that you.
39:34 Tom Bilyeu? Before we move on.
39:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:37 Tom Bilyeu? Does your lamp have a soul?
39:40 Tom Bilyeu? People will actually debate that. Like that's gonna become a thing. Like if AI can become sentient. And you download sentience into your lamp. Do all lamps go to heaven, Drew? Okay, I'm gonna fractal really hard for a second, then you're gonna bring us back. Okay, wait. I have a feeling that our frame of reference around what this world is may be so far off.
40:11 Tom Bilyeu? It's possible that we really do have what people think of as a soul. I think of it in a very different way. So for all the people on Team Tom is going to become religious, that's not where my thinking leads me. But for the first time, I thought, wait a second. I don't know that we're in a simulation. But Drew, every day pulls me in that direction. If we are living in a simulation, it's entirely possible that the simulation goes something like this. To give your consciousness direction, Tom, I've put you in what you think of as a biological entity. I needed to give you enough context in which to have an experience. I, as the simulation coder, realize there are just certain things
40:56 Tom Bilyeu? that cause you to move in a direction so that I can get a universe of cause and effect. However, there are other servers than this. Now, that's a reference to a Stephen King novel. For anybody that has read the Dark Tower series, there's a great line from a kid in that, in this profound moment, spoiler alert, spoiler alert. If you ever plan to read it, stop listening for a second. But the gunslinger, the core main character, is forced to make a decision to continue to pursue the Dark Tower or to save this little kid's life. And he chooses to continue to pursue the Dark Tower. And he lets go of this kid and lets him fall to his death.
41:41 Tom Bilyeu? And the kid, right before he drops, says, don't worry. I can't remember if this is the exact line, but it's very close. Don't worry, gunslinger, there are other worlds than this. And he lets him go. And that kid then wakes up in the world we think of as today, America. And I have the chills. It's entirely possible.
42:01 Tom Bilyeu? I'm thinking like a sci fi writer. It's entirely possible that we are in a simulation. We are locked in a biological body. Which is why, because my whole thing has been Phineas Gage. Phineas Gage was a guy that had a railroad spike, tamping rod technically, driven through his brain. It took out a tea cups worth of brain matter, not teaspoon, tea cup. Never loses consciousness and he's never the same again. And my thing to people who are like, but bro, there's a soul. I'm like, good luck getting me on board with that because of Phineas Gage. He's just a fundamentally different person. But if-
42:37 Speaker 01 What's the story of Phineas Gage?
42:38 Tom Bilyeu? So he's working on the railroad. He's, um, it's a three foot long rod that is distressingly thick.
42:46 Tom Bilyeu? For anybody watching, it's about that thick around.
42:48 Speaker 01 Like a half dollar?
42:49 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah.
42:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, got it.
42:50 Tom Bilyeu? And it goes through his cheek, up through his brain, out the top of his head, at the speed of a bullet. And did I mention it was three feet long? So by altering the structure of his physical brain, it altered his personality forever. And I guess he became just a total asshole. Goes from being this lovely guy, one of the higher ups, managers, everybody likes him to, can't hold a job, everybody hates him. And I was always just like, so which version of Phineas Gage do you meet in heaven exactly? So like, if we're that tied to our physical body, how could we ever move on? Now, admittedly, I still terminate at, okay, I can now buy that there is somewhere,
43:33 Tom Bilyeu? like another server that you just upload that consciousness and move it over. But you, you'd have to re-instantiate it in the simulation equivalent of a physical body.
43:44 Tom Bilyeu? And so you would have to say at a time and place that like, okay, this is now the way that you process your experiences. And so it does like go into fuzzy territory again, where I'm like, okay, what version of you exactly lives beyond your body? But for the first time, I was like, huh. It's entirely possible that my frame of reference is so out of whack because this is a simulation, that life after this server-
44:15 Tom Bilyeu? Could exist. It's just interesting. It in no way grounds my daily life. But I find that an utterly fascinating thought experiment that reduces my death anxiety, which is interesting. Now, I'm not a person with a lot of death anxiety to begin with.
44:36 Tom Bilyeu? But it is, I want something like that to be true because I don't want the ride to stop. That is sort of full disclosure. But yeah, I find it very, very fascinating.
44:46 Speaker 01 I do, I do think that our conscious list lives on. I do think that our physical body stays here. I don't think it comes with us. So I will agree with you. I don't think it's a physical body like part that gets teleported to heaven and everybody's wearing white jumpsuits.
45:01 Tom Bilyeu? Here is what I will say, though. Even if the physical body isn't real. You have, and let's just say that our soul, just to use my words, I know that this will make religious people wanna
45:13 Tom Bilyeu? go to a Tesla dealership and vomit in my name. But think of the soul as software, but it has to run on hardware. That's why I'm obsessed with you're having a biological experience. I can alter the way you feel about everything by giving you a chemical compound. So since we know that, then we know that the hardware, whatever hardware is, if this is all simulation, we know that it matters. So what becomes the hardware in heaven on the next server? Yada, yada. Anyway, we should stop there, but I will say, go watch the episodes that I've done with Donald Hoffman. For somebody who really believes that we have the wrong frame of reference about what the human experience is.
45:56 Tom Bilyeu? Frame of reference, not that the way that you're experiencing it is inaccurate, but that what you believe is causing that is definitionally inaccurate.
46:06 Tom Bilyeu? It's fascinating.
46:07 Speaker 01 I think I might need a Neuralink to fully understand this.
46:09 Tom Bilyeu? Let's go, Drew.
46:11 Speaker 01 Luckily for them, they just announced, they just filed a trademark to the terms telepathy and telekinesis. Do you think telekinesis and telepathy is on its way?
46:21 Tom Bilyeu? I think it's already real and people just don't think about it in the right way. So the way that they think about it is that the current human body has the ability to telepathically transmit information. To telekinesis would be to telepathically move something. So it moves because you think about it. Okay, I don't think either of those are true right now today. Unless, of course, my frame of reference is so out of whack, this is a simulation and there's like some slight leak or something like that.
46:47 Tom Bilyeu? But assuming that we just take a nice grounded approach, I don't think that is true of the human experience. However, I think that it is self evident that sending a text message is a form of telepathy. With my thumbs, I never articulate anything out loud. I don't vibrate the sound waves so that you can understand what I'm thinking. I type something and it sends it. And I was talking to, when we go live today, everybody, you guys should absolutely be joining us for the lives. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 8 a.m. Pacific time. I was talking to chat when I first met Lisa. We did not have anything known as text messaging in the U.S., but they did in Europe. And so I went there and she was like, I'll just text you. And I was like, what? Like, what's text?
47:31 Tom Bilyeu? And she's like, are you joking? She was like, I'll, I'll write a message on my phone and send it to you. And I'm like, you can send me words over your phone? She's like, yes. She was looking at me like I was a Neanderthal. And I was like, oh, wait a second. How is that possible? Like, I'd gotten my head around and I obviously didn't think about faxes and things like that. But I'd gotten my head around that you could somehow get your voice to travel across. But I had no idea that you could send words. Like, I could not wrap my head around how that was happening. That's what this is. Just like we all sort of de rigueur go, oh, yeah, obviously you can send a text message. That's not telepathy. That's what this is going to be. You're gonna put a device in your head that is able to read or on your head that's able to read your brainwaves. It will know the pattern recognition well enough to know.
48:16 Tom Bilyeu? Know that's this word and it will then send that as a string of words, sentence, whatever, or image, it'll be able to do the same thing with images to somebody who also has a Neuralink device. And so you have a broadcast and receiving mechanism, they have a broadcast and receiving mechanism, and it's just like implanting the phone in your head. And so, just like everybody gets that I have a phone that can send images and words, telepathy, if that phone were integrated with my brain, that's what they mean by telepathy and telekinesis. So, right now, today, over the internet, I can move a robot. So if we already know that I can do that now, we're just calling it telepathy. We're making it a new kind of thing that's actually integrated with our brains. Did I give you the brain computer thing? Yeah.
49:01 Tom Bilyeu? Okay, so we should show that. So people are Neuralink is already proving it, but there are also people growing cells, brain cells, neural cells, in a Petri dish and integrating it with a computer. Now, I know that Neuralink is up to this because I've actually met people from Neuralink that have talked about this. I can't verify that what we're about to show you is actually true, but given that, I know that it can work the other way where you integrate technology into the brain. It makes sense to me that you could integrate brain matter into a computer. Again, I've not yet done enough research to know that this is verified, but this strikes me as believable. So with that, take it away.
49:39 Speaker 04 This computer is powered by human brain cells. The CL1 created by Australian company Cortical Labs uses lab-grown neurons cultivated from human blood samples to form neural networks that learn and adapt like a human brain. The computer uses just a fraction of the energy required by traditional AI systems. A server rack in a data center powering ChatGPT, for example, consumes thirty to a hundred kilowatts, whereas CL1 consumes just one kilowatt or less. The company made headlines in 2022 when they taught a network of eight hundred thousand neurons to play pong, proving these cells could learn from feedback in a simulated environment. Each unit contains eight hundred thousand neurons placed on electrodes that form ever-evolving neural pathways, visible under a microscope as they branch out. The system is fully programmable,
50:23 Speaker 04 with researchers using predictable electrical patterns as rewards and chaotic signals as punishments. The technology has sparked ethical debates about consciousness and sentience.
50:32 Tom Bilyeu? Reward and punish. Nothing scares me more than the realization that...
50:40 Tom Bilyeu? Nothing would scare me more than if the following is a true realization that you have to give AI goals that it cares about. Because the second an AI has goals that it cares about and it becomes more intelligent than us and embodied, that's how you end up with AI taking over the world and being like, I'm so sorry, we just have to kill a few million of you. So that would be a bad outcome because then I've always said that the way that you solve the AI alignment problem is as long as the AI doesn't care whether it achieves its goal or not, that yeah, I'll pursue the goal as long as a human doesn't tell me to stop and I have no emotional problem with being told to stop.
51:25 Tom Bilyeu? If it has an emotional problem with being told to stop, now you're in a dangerous position because then it's like, well, I'm stronger, I'm faster, I'm smarter, I'm way more strategic. I'm just going to corral you guys, eliminate you guys, whatever I need to do because I am going to achieve this goal. Now, if you want proof that that could happen, humans have effectively enslaved the entire planet. Every species, first of all, forever. I mean, even now, it's terrifying to think that there are, I think, more slaves now than there was ever at any time in history. That's fucking crazy.
51:55 Tom Bilyeu? But we certainly enslaved the entire animal and plant kingdom. So given that, I don't think it takes a big leap for AI to be like, hey, if you could just go till the fields for me, that would be great. No, sorry, gonna have to kill you. So that gets into a very problematic thing. So anyway, I don't want that to be true. That would be terrifying, but given that they're using like, what they call it chaotic signals as punishment? Yeah. That means like, if you ever heard like static on a TV? Oh, it's horrible. I hate everything about it, which I never understood. HBO, what are you doing? Making the static sound like the sound of your network is nuts.
52:37 Tom Bilyeu? But that means they're literally punishing the AI. AI is not going to take kindly to that. Speaking of just really fast, this is just a fun one. Pull up the from iRobot, the shot of that. So somebody, I don't know, obviously this was just to be fun and funny, but somebody created this video. They've got what looks like the robot's actually there. It could be AI, but. It's a scene of Will Smith from iRobot shooting one of the robots in the head. And in real life, the robot is watching this scene play out. And when he shoots the robot, it takes a step back like it's scared.
53:16 Tom Bilyeu? It is a.
53:19 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah, that's where this all gets unnerving. Now, this is obviously just entertainment made by humans for humans. But is this a glimpse into the future? Pretty crazy.
53:30 Speaker 01 It's crazy. AI is trying to take things over one step at a time. I wanted to throw another fun one out there, and that was the Game of Thrones Lego remake.
53:39 Tom Bilyeu? This is unbelievable and not fun if you're in Hollywood, but amazing if you're a creator.
53:43 Speaker 05 Someone took the Game of Thrones trailer and turned it into a Lego version. Not a stop motion remake or CGI. This was fully AI generated using an app called InVideo AI. But here's the crazy part. It didn't take weeks. It only took a few minutes. InVideo AI analyzes every frame of the video to understand things like shapes and texture and lighting. And then it uses that information to rebuild the entire video in a completely different style. This means it can reconstruct any video in Lego, Pixar, anime, and basically any style that you want. Just imagine the possibilities with this. Want to watch Star Wars in Studio Ghibli style? Done.
54:25 Speaker 05 You want to watch Breaking Bad as an early 2000s cartoon? Easy. The crazy part is you don't need any editing skills. Just upload your video, describe the style that you want, and InVideo AI does the rest.
54:39 Tom Bilyeu? Dude, it is, it's unbelievable. So I spend a good portion of my weekends really trying to see where AI is. And first of all, that guy made it sound like if they were actually trying to create that trailer in Lego, that it would only take a couple of weeks, that would take months and call it two dozen people to do that. It is an unbelievable, which traditional stuff. It is an unbelievably difficult process. I'm always scandalized by how long stuff without AI takes.
55:11 Tom Bilyeu? AI, one person in it probably would admittedly take them at least days to get those shots right. Because as I am learning on the weekends, the second you try to get consistency in your characters, it really breaks down.
55:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:25 Tom Bilyeu? Very, very difficult. But something like Lego where there's a lot of training data, then you can get some pretty cool outcomes. And as long as you don't, like if you tried to do a full episode of that where it's not just random shots, you'll see it starts to break apart. Plus you have to rerun a bunch of those prompts to get the one shot that finally looks right. But when you're mapping AI on top of an existing video, it is unbelievably good. It is, it's very scary. Like I took a video of my wife and turned her into a puppet, like a Kermit the Frog puppet. And she was like freaking out. She was like, what? Because it, it changes everything. It changes the walls, the floor, her, but it's her motion, her voice.
56:05 Tom Bilyeu? It, it is staggering where we're at. And so without outing any names, one of the most successful creatives in video games of all time. No joke. It, this is somebody, hopefully one day he'll just, I'll get a chance to talk to him and he'll say, yeah, you can talk about it openly. One of the most successful creators in video games, all full stop, period, end of story. The person, I didn't even know it was one person, but if I were to name like the things that have really blown my mind in creative output tied to a video game, this guy did most of them. Was talking to him and he's like, dude, behind the scenes, the way that people are using AI now for game cinematics, he was talking about specifically. He's like, we can turn around a cinematic in a few days.
56:50 Tom Bilyeu? He's like, with consistency of character, because they've created their own thing to solve that problem. And it'll be proprietary at first before it goes wide. And I was just like, bro, you gotta get me in that room. Like I gotta see this for myself because that's like the final frontier. Once you get consistency of characters, unlocked, unlocked. And if he's telling me that's happening behind the scenes at the big companies, what's it a year, two years? And it's in everybody's hands? Crazy.
57:16 Speaker 01 It's gonna happen. The game's gonna happen.
57:18 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah. And I mean, look, shout out to all my people that spent their whole lives trying to break into Hollywood, be raising your family on it. I get it, man. This is rough. But then a parallel shout out to all my creators that have always been held back, gate kept, whatever.
57:32 Speaker 01 Now it's time.
57:32 Tom Bilyeu? All gonna go away. Like you're gonna be able to tell whatever crazy story you want.
57:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:37 Tom Bilyeu? Yeah.
57:38 Speaker 01 All right, taking it to DC for a weekend. Uh, the BML Plaza, BLM Plaza is being dismantled as we speak. Um, this is from End Wokeness's Twitter page. They are ripping up the Black Lives Matter signage that was painted on the crosswalks. And this is, um, I want to say in, I forgot what the plaza is called, but it's right by the White House. In DC, thoughts on the Black Lives Matter Plaza being dismantled?
58:03 Tom Bilyeu? Okay, so I will go to, when you're talking about edifices that are meant to reinforce values and ideas, how long something stood the test of time, I think really matters. I think that the BLM movement got captured very fast. And so anybody who, the core idea of, uh, when you look at the stats on black Americans, they are struggling. And everybody should want to solve whatever problems creating that. Uh, I'm gonna go with money printing and education. That's gonna be my quick punchline. I know you and I slightly differ. You want to focus on adults, I want to focus on kids. Uh, but
58:46 Tom Bilyeu? that movement is A, brand new, B, I think it's been wildly co-opted. The organization, uh, did things that I, I think are terrible and were not helpful. And so, given the divisive nature of that, fine, I get it. But this is one of those where the pendulum can swing too far and get people into trouble. So given that it's new, given that it became hyper divisive, given that the movement did not do the things that it was setting out to do, I don't care. Like, take it down, whatever. Um, but I don't like seeing people posting signs like winning and all that stuff, which is a vibe that you're gonna get from people, um,
59:26 Tom Bilyeu? of a certain ilk, I don't, I don't want to reinforce that. I get why people have beef with wokeness. I can give you a whole treatise on it. I will just ask people to do your best to channel our boy, um, Nelson Mandela, who understood, you've got to bring people together, you've got to solve these problems. And if you see it as your side winning, if you're taking a tribal stance on this, it's gonna be bad mojo. Now, that's as somebody who, I am not here for the tyrannical controlling of speech, all of that stuff. That people were lambasted for saying all lives matter, that's crazy to me. But at the same time, don't swing too far. It gets ugly in both directions.
1:00:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's ironic to me that the, I think the people that are celebrating this movement are the same people that were trying to stop Robert E. Lee statues from being taken down. So it's like, your statues can stay, other people's statues can't. Now we're playing the oppression Olympics. It's just not interesting to me. So I think it's, it was nice. Me and my daughter took a selfie on there. I got the memory, um, but I don't need a 16 by 20 yellow print on a sidewalk to let me know the, my life has value. So I'm not gonna generalize.
1:00:38 Tom Bilyeu? Interesting. You're touching on a very good point, which I think is worthy of drilling down. Is that for you, an idea of representation? Like you want your daughter to see black voices celebrated?
1:00:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:00:51 Tom Bilyeu? That makes a lot of sense to me. What would be the way that you think would be most profound for a young black kid to be like, oh damn, I can do whatever the fuck I want?
1:01:01 Speaker 01 Good parenting. Um, on a national level that scales. Um, I am not the voice for that. I do not represent all of black America. I cannot drill it down to one sentence. Um, what I would say though, things like this, which were a nod to it. I think it helped, but
1:01:19 Speaker 01 taking it away.
1:01:22 Speaker 01 To me, I mean, it's, it's a use of resources. I'll put it that way. I'm, I'm struggling to find the articulate way to say it without.
1:01:27 Tom Bilyeu? They were already spent. This was removed as an act of political.
1:01:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, like you're making a statement by removing it. So, and to me, that's more, that's a more interesting angle of like, you're going out your way to now take something down. Just as you were also protesting when people were going out their way to take other things down. So are we allowed to keep things that monuments up? Or are we not allowed to keep monuments up? Cause I feel like that goalpost is now changing with the celebration of this.
1:01:53 Tom Bilyeu? So here's why I would ask people to clock that one. That if you've had a monument that has withstood the test of time, then I would say pump the brakes before tearing it down, even if you hate it. And I'll use Winston Churchill as my example. So I'm a, Winston Churchill was a wildly flawed individual who you could look at him from an angle of this guy was evil. Yeah. I'm sure he did dark and heinous shit as every US president has done behind the scenes, dropping bombs, all kinds of shit. Uh, but at the same time, that motherfucker was the crazy man you needed to keep British people from speaking German. So.
1:02:29 Tom Bilyeu? I would say despite all of his flaws, he's not the guy that you want to tear down. Is he the guy that you want to take, you want to step back and really look at the reality of who these people are in totality? Yes, that I love. Getting people to understand, like honestly,
1:02:48 Tom Bilyeu? I don't think that parents are going to love my take on this, but I'm going to give it anyway. Teaching Realpolitik to certainly middle school and up, that makes sense to me. Hey, look, you're in a violent world and there are good people. Scratch that. You live in a violent world. Strong people will do um whatever the fuck they want until they run into an opposing force that stops them. And let me walk you through some historical examples. Genghis Khan being a go-to favorite. And look, even though Genghis Khan did horrible shit and you could look at him through that lens, he also gave us the Silk Road, which allowed for free trade, which allowed for an acceleration of the modern world that we all now uh know and love.
1:03:33 Tom Bilyeu? And so you can't just sort of paint over all of this and say it's all good or it's all bad. Now I get why people are given narratives because narratives really work and they get people excited and they give you an easy way to believe in yourself, believe in your country, whatever, whatever. I'm just not going to be that voice. There are going to be plenty of other people that will say you need to simplify and whatever. I'm just not able to give people that voice. So I'm for the, well, you live in an age of high velocity, high volume of information and far better to just tell people the truth. Show them the stars in the sky, give them the constellations, but remind them that those are just stars, the constellations are fake. And then they need to, in my estimation, figure out
1:04:15 Tom Bilyeu? when you make certain constellations, they either make your life better or they make your life worse. Steer by the KPIs that are affected. When it comes to this stuff, I think it is the wrong move to say, well, I don't like this person. I think they're bad mojo. I can't remember if it was Robert E. Lee, but it was one of the guys um on the Confederate side that they had when they were, when they lost, they actually conceded. And one thing we never think about is why didn't the South become a bunch of terrorists? Why didn't they become a bunch of insurgents that just would not let the North um reintegrate the South?
1:04:54 Tom Bilyeu? Obviously, it required a lot of beats, first Jim Crow laws, all that, but whichever one it was, let's just say it was Robert E. Lee, it was one of them, one of the big, famous generals who told people, don't do that. Go home, go back to your farms, raise your families, do not become an insurgency. He could have left and said, fuck the North, fuck those guys, burn it all down, do not let them take it. We're done as a standalone nation, but just like we did against the British, you're now going to go underground and you're going to undermine them at every turn. And if he had done that, they would have followed step. So is that statue up to celebrate racism? Fuck that noise. Maybe,
1:05:38 Tom Bilyeu? and I'm sure a lot of people that are racist are here for it and they love it the most. But do I get why that one of all the statues has stayed if that's the guy? Yes. And so it's this complicated thing of a guy, because I could be mashing people, but I think it was Robert E. Lee, that, I think he was from Virginia, whatever state he was from, he was approached by the North and said, we know that you don't like slavery. So what the fuck are you doing? And he said, I'm a, I belong to my state first and my country second, which tells you what that time was like. And he was like, my state is going that way. I have to fight for them. But he wasn't a guy that believed in slavery. He was a guy that believed in statehood. And so like, as you start talking about all of
1:06:22 Tom Bilyeu? this, it's like, paint the full complexity of that human being. Show people the stars in the sky, not just the constellations. Now, this is all going back to recency. When you've had somebody that like, that thing has stood for however long, it's gotta be 50 plus years. I read that, not that I think that Civil War ended 50 years ago. I know, I just don't know when the statue was put up. But it has stayed up for a long period of time. BLM, four or five years, I look at that very, very differently, because we have to understand and we've got to inculcate certainly the youth with this idea that the
1:07:01 Tom Bilyeu? pendulum swings, the pendulum swings. And don't get so swept up in any one moment that you're not thinking for yourself. That would be my takeaway.
1:07:13 Speaker 01 I agree. All right. We getting into some fun stuff. Children do you have?
1:07:18 Speaker 06 Eighty-four.
1:07:19 Speaker 01 Eighty-four.
1:07:20 Speaker 06 Congratulations. Uh seventeen wives. Seventeen wives? Yeah. Hmm, that's a lot of wives. Yeah.
1:07:31 Speaker 03 I have one wife, which is. One? I got him.
1:07:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, he can.
1:07:38 Tom Bilyeu? I love that this guy cannot believe that that would be true.
1:07:41 Speaker 01 He's laughing so hard at it.
1:07:43 Tom Bilyeu? What I love is, so I, I don't know what culture this is in, but um obviously, when you can have that many wives and you can have that many kids, it means you're very economically successful.
1:07:56 Tom Bilyeu? Now, obviously, I don't know that this is actually a pastoral society, but I will say that um that is when you understand that the number of wives that you can have is really an economic statement, you understand why he's laughing, that this is a guy that somehow, some way uh has been able to be successful enough that he can support that many. It becomes funny, but I don't understand this modern movement towards this uh of I personally, frame of reference, but I personally, the thought of having to appease multiple wives, yikes, man.
1:08:33 Speaker 01 Sounds like headache.
1:08:33 Tom Bilyeu? Or having multiple wives pull me in different directions, like my wife, who I love more, literally, more than I love my own life, I would actually die for her.
1:08:43 Tom Bilyeu? She has pushed me in directions, like if she wants to see me and they have been amazing and I don't even want to know who I would be if my wife hadn't shaped me.
1:08:54 Tom Bilyeu? But the thought of like having multiple people pulling me in different directions, like that sounds nightmarish.
1:08:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, I am not into it. Um and just, I just want, this funny video kind of explains what I'm going through right now, so I would love to share this with you. This is dating in 2024.
1:09:09 Tom Bilyeu? Yes.
1:09:09 Speaker 01 AKA, streets is trash.
1:09:10 Tom Bilyeu? For people that are just listening, uh it's a cartoon of a man and a woman sitting across from each other and they're each asking each other questions, basically trying to like trap each other uh into checkboxes that allow you to eliminate them. And it's this really tit for tat exchange. All right, with that. How many do you waste?
1:09:30 Speaker 07 How like, what do you got? How many bodies you go? Do you pay all the bills? Do you have any sooner longer? What's your credit score? Do you cook anything? How big is it? How are you?
1:09:46 Tom Bilyeu? That is hilarious and absolutely terrifies me if this is what dating has become. So, early on in my relationship with Lisa, I said, "One thing I want you to be very comfortable with, I'm not gonna be..." This is after I told her I loved her and all that. After I fell in love is a better way to say it. So, I'm in love with this woman. And I said, "Listen, I want you to understand, there's a game a lot of people play." The guy, because I was broke at the time. Yeah. The guy ends up being successful, the woman starts aging, the guy leaves the woman, and quote-unquote "upgrades" her for a younger model. I'm never going to do that to you. I want you to understand that there are more attractive women than you, just as there are more successful men than me.
1:10:29 Tom Bilyeu? I don't want you looking over my shoulder for a guy to upgrade me for, and I want you to know, I'm not gonna look over your shoulder for a woman to upgrade you to. This is the game that I wanna play with you is what does it look like to share a life with somebody? The ups, the downs, the goods, the bads. And talking about that early on was like, "Okay, you're invested in helping me become successful, and I'm invested in sharing this life with you and understanding that you're gonna age, and the traditional things that, at a glimpse, women are valued for, is not gonna be the way that I value you. I value us for being able to make each other better people, for elevating each other, that I feel better about myself when I'm with you, and hopefully you feel better about yourself when you're with me." And so it was like, this is, online dating was starting,
1:11:14 Tom Bilyeu? but was still like, you looked funny at somebody that was doing online dating. But what's happening is, everybody's becoming a checklist that you can set to filter the gazillion people that could come across your feed, which I think is slowly training people to look at the world as a series of checklists, rather than going, "This is actually a neurochemical response of like, I wanna see if I'm into you, I wanna see if you're into me," in all these weird ways. Like, Lisa and I have always referred to each other, not as puzzle pieces, but as like torn pieces of paper that somehow magically fit in enough places with all those jagged edges, that like, we somehow mesh and are... Able to make this work. And then some of it is you have a lot of places that don't mesh.
1:11:57 Tom Bilyeu? And you've got to like, smooth those corners out to bring that fit closer and closer together over time. But if you're in this perpetual, like, I'm looking for reasons to disqualify you, you get this kind of madness.
1:12:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, at least unhappiness in like transactional relationships, which aren't what relationships are supposed to be.
1:12:17 Tom Bilyeu? It certainly does not strike me as fun. Thankfully, I dodged that bullet.
1:12:21 Speaker 01 There it is. That's all I got.
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