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Tom Bilyeu and Producer Drew delve into the harrowing footage alleged to be of forced conscription in Ukraine and Putin's perplexing openness to American business partnerships. Furthermore, they tackle the geopolitical implications of China's provocations and the evolving landscape of American politics during Trump's presidency. Tom and Drew navigate through these heavy topics, debating the ethical implications and possible future outcomes. They also engage in a thoughtful discussion about the personal and collective impact of these global occurrences, encouraging listeners to think critically about their own worldviews amidst these rapid changes. SHOWNOTES 00:00 "Forced Conscription and 'Death Ground'" 07:23 Putin, Minerals, and Global Strategy 11:43 Zelenskyy, Trump, and War Tensions 15:27 Unintended Consequences of US-Europe Fracture 23:33 "Aligning Life Goals with Motivation" 28:45 "Reigniting Wonder: Mars Exploration" 36:01 Cryptic Government Commentary Unpacked 39:21 Supporting Immigrants' Constitutional Rights 41:55 "Realpolitik and Striving for Better" 47:05 Streaming Changes Oscars Perspective 52:32 Evaluating Iconoclastic Talent 01:02:26 Women's Role in Marriages and Divorces 01:03:24 "Join Our Live Sessions" CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://rangerover.com/us/sport Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Thive Market: ​​Go to https:thrivemarket.com/impact http://thrivemarket.com/impact for 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! ITU: Ready to breakthrough your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Kettle & Fire: Get 20% off your first order at https://kettleandfire.com/impact with code IMPACT Netsuite: Download the CFO’s Guide to AI and Machine Learning at https://NetSuite.com/THEORY https://netsuite.com/THEORY Found: Try Found for FREE at https://found.com/impact ********************************************************************** Do you need my help? STARTING a business: Join me inside ZERO TO FOUNDER here https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=IT_PC&utm_content=ztf_it_pc_ad SCALING a business: Click here to see if you qualify https://tombilyeu.com/scale?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=mindset_PC&utm_content=bdceo_mindset_pc_ad Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:30Tom Bilyeu?

  SpaceX has another incredible launch. Hassan Abi gets a temp ban on Twitch for a red hot take. Kai Sanaa goes viral for trash talking PewDiePie. And the Oscars, well, they happened. Drew, we've got some really fun stuff to talk about today in the show, but we do have to start with the really consequential stuff. I'm sensitive to being a negative machine factory. Like, I do worry about that. But the reality is, we're living in a super weird moment where my weekend was spent with, it was spent with those X videos of people getting snatched off the street. Now, I want to be very clear. I cannot confirm that that's what's going on, but we can confirm the Putin stuff. And I want to talk about both.

• 2:15Tom Bilyeu?

  So take us there.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Let's go with it. So pulling up a video right now. Allegedly, this is their recruitment tactic for Ukraine because they are so down soldiers that any young man of drafting age is getting grabbed up off the street. So as you can see from the video, he was walking his dog, two soldiers jumped out and pretty much chased him.

• 2:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And again, like, guys, please, somebody in the comments, if this is like a four-year-old video or something, but I saw a bunch of these going around on X this weekend. I could not verify by reading the comments that they're fake. So, yeah, but if anybody, and I mean, they're getting views and there were, I saw several of them.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  But do you like, do you honestly want that person fighting for your country? Cause I feel like that they become more of a liability than like an asset.

• 3:06Tom Bilyeu?

  You would think, but there is a long history of forced conscription. So this is one of those, you put people in a situation where it's fight or die and they will fight. Sun Tzu doesn't use these words, but he's got a concept that has been articulated as death ground, that you don't want to put people on death ground where their only option is to fight because they will fight. And so if you put somebody in a situation where if you try to desert, we'll kill you. And if you face the enemy, you better win or they'll kill you. Now all of a sudden, your only real option is to fight and to win. This is the whole idea of like burning the ships at the shore. But even in like the Revolutionary War, man, they would

• 3:50Tom Bilyeu?

  kill people for deserting the army. So you don't want to play around. Like it's, this is where I would love to have a show where these kinds of things weren't happening and I don't feel compelled in my soul to discuss this stuff. But the reality is this is happening right now. And the reason that this really matters to me is it, I keep running the thought experiment of what if it were China invading California and they show up and they're in Los Angeles and now I've really got to deal with it. Cause this is easy when it's, you know, a really long way away to be like, oh, it doesn't really matter. Politics doesn't affect my day to day life, which I think for the first time in a long time, people have got to feel like that just isn't true. Like the rate of change that the Trump administration is bringing in, the only

• 4:35Tom Bilyeu?

  time it's ever been even remotely paralleled was FDR. And so the rate of change right now is extremely rapid. It's extremely consequential, what's happening, good, bad or indifferent. Like change is upon us. And because the world order is changing, and I think it's going to have extremely consequential impact over the next, I mean, this all gets complicated by AI and robotics. But in a normal timeline, over the next, call it 30 years, this would be a moment of dramatic upheaval. Now, we don't have anything specific to show people right now, but I've been hearing whispers about China is doing like really provocative testing. They didn't know, notify anybody.

• 5:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Guys, as more information comes out, we'll cover this in depth, but they're like cutting fiber cables that lead to Taiwan. They're doing supposedly training exercises to be provocative. So it's like, we're living in this really precarious moment right now where you had this utter breakdown of negotiations between Trump and Zelensky on Friday. I mean, that was fireworks and a half. And now you're getting Putin calling out to people saying, hey, we're open for business on minerals. We have way more minerals than the Ukraine. Oh, and I call them like new territories, like there's a ton in our new territories that we are, we have, we have the clip.

• 6:01Tom Bilyeu?

  We should probably just play that clip of Putin talking about this. But you put that together with seeing these men being forcibly conscript, I mean, which is a euphemism for kidnapped and drugged to the front lines. And this moment is just weird. All right, this is Putin in his own words here. We would be open to cooperation with our American partners. And when I say partners, I mean, not only administrative and governmental agencies, but also private companies. If they show interest in working together, Russian possesses significantly, I want to stress this, significantly larger resources of this kind than Ukraine.

• 6:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Russia is one of the uncontested leaders when it comes to rare and rare earth metal reserves. We have deposits in the north in, he's going to list a bunch of places in Russia that I won't butcher, as well as the far east in another place, region,

• 7:03Tom Bilyeu?

  more regions. Developing these resources requires substantial capital investment. We would be happy to cooperate with any foreign partners, including American companies. Yes, by the way, same is true for the new territories. We are open to foreign partnerships, so-called new, our historical territories that have become part of the Russian Federation again, also hold certain reserves. We are ready to work with our partners, including Americans. Wow, man, that, that one was chilling and shout out to Chad who brought that up to us today in the live.

• 7:41Tom Bilyeu?

  I am really unnerved by that. So, okay, this is, we, we are living in a time of velocity and volume of information where

• 7:52Tom Bilyeu?

  with Trump, this is even escalating more, but with social media, you're just able to see this stuff all over the place. But Trump has answered something like four times more questions in the first four weeks of his presidency than Biden answered in the entirety of his presidency. Just to give you an idea of the level of access that we're getting. I thought it was atrocious to see Trump, Vance and Zelensky go at each other in full view of the public, but also part of me is so intrigued because we're, we're actually able to see how all of this stuff works. Now, I think the cameras are influencing in a way that makes me uncomfortable, but I'm going to set that aside for a second.

• 8:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Putin obviously is seeing all of this. And when you take that as a response to him going, oh, like you're trying to get the mineral rights? Bro, we've got a lot more. So whether we take Ukraine in or the Donbass or whatever region, we bring those in. Hey, we're open for business. Now, this is something that you saw in the Middle East as we were going from World War I to World War II. I think, I can't remember if it's right before World War I, anyway, right around that time period, where we realized, oh, oil is going to be everything. And I don't think people realize that we just made that switch like a hundred years ago. I mean, this is not like super old and. You're now seeing that with rare earth minerals becoming so important for technology. Russia has some of the deepest deposits of that.

• 9:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Ukraine, obviously similar. And Putin saying, don't worry. If you can't do a deal with Zelensky, no sweat.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Come on over here.

• 9:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. And so I was like, hold on. For a while, on the surface, not saying that this is ever what it was below the surface. But on the surface, the world was asked to join in a moral debate. You had Putin, the aggressor of Russia, coming into the Ukraine, violating their sovereignty, killing god knows how many people. North of a million people lost when you combine the two sides. Some say millions. I don't know the exact number, but it's way too much. And that felt clear. Now, of course, anytime something seems clear, it's probably been simplified beyond recognition. But that felt clear, like I was, I understood the moral argument.

• 10:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I understood where I was in this landscape. Can't invade a sovereign nation, all bad. Ice Russia out, this is terrible. Now, this is shifting and we're actually getting into, is this what this is really about? Like, is this a resource grab? Is this Putin with territorial inclinations? Is this about NATO coming up against the border? Is it both? Almost certainly yes. And I'm sure a lot more things that we don't see. And so the messiness, the morally grotesque reality of war, of realpolitik, of the strong will do as they will and the weak will suffer as they must,

• 10:50Tom Bilyeu?

  is playing out before our eyes. And this is, I think, the messy reality of a declining superpower with a rising power in China, who's far more aligned with Russia than we are. And this kind of loop plays out a lot, especially as the US becomes.

• 11:12Tom Bilyeu?

  More desperate to get out from under their debt, to project strength at a moment where their strength is declining. Neil Ferguson, the historian, has a really interesting take on this. I know the internet feels some kind of way about Sam Harris. I would not rule him out. And Neil Ferguson on Sam Harris in a very recent episode was talking about, if you read Trump as somebody who believes that America is actually in a weakened position, suddenly the way that he's behaving actually makes more sense. Somebody who believes they need to project power, need to reestablish power, he makes a lot of sense.

• 11:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Somebody who believes that we confidently are just as strong as the best, all that, he starts making a lot less sense. And I kind of get that read. So it is a hyper consequential moment in which the decisions that we make as a nation are going to matter tremendously. And morally, this is going to be debated for the ages. Should the US have forced Russia onto what they may consider death ground by moving NATO up to their border?

• 12:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Should Russia ever have invaded a sovereign nation when it's called a soft threat? Should we be talking about mineral rights? Or should we just be talking about either borders matter or they don't?

• 12:51Speaker 01

  And that's kind of where I want to pull it is back to the war aspect of it. Cause Donald Trump treated over the weekend. This is the worst statement that could have been made by Zelensky and America will not put up for much longer is what I was saying. This guy doesn't want to be peace as long as he has America backing and Europe. In the meeting they had with Zelensky started flatly that they could stated flatly that they cannot do the job without the US. Probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show of strength against Russia. What are they thinking? So this is in reaction to Zelensky saying that there's the end of the war with Russia is very, very far away. So we were, it seemed on the brink of peace on Friday to now the war is very, very far away. Zelensky just booked a, just got a $2.8 billion loan from the UK to continue the financing the war.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  With Russia now coming out, offering these mineral rights, do we see that this as a way to kind of end the war? Do we just, is it just jacking position at this point?

• 13:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, let's play that thought experiment out. For that to be true, what would have to happen is the US would say, yeah, we're gonna stop funding them because of course Russia, right now, we have iced Russia out as much as humanly possible. It actually didn't work nearly as well as we thought, but we have done everything we can to ice Russia out of the global economic system without causing a recession around the world because of energy costs. So it's a delicate balance, but the US has gone way, way, way, way, way out of their way to make it economically difficult for Russia to function, period, full stop. So we would have to back off of that,

• 14:27Tom Bilyeu?

  presumably, I'm guessing, but if I'm Putin, I'm like, hey, we're open for business, assuming you stop fucking trying to annihilate us economically. Uh, and oh, by the way, like,

• 14:39Tom Bilyeu?

  the way that he said Putin is many things, but a fool is not one of them. And when he says that, oh, these new territories also have these incredible deposits, he's saying, you don't have to choose. You don't have to choose between the mineral rights in Ukraine. Uh, make a deal with Russia, you get it all. Dude, if we did that, yikes. Okay. Admittedly, we have, we are now leaving the part that I feel that I'm thoughtful about into the part where I have an emotional reaction. Nobody distrusts their emotions more than me, but I believe give people a sincere take, a sincere, strong take, and then people will think through the problem on their own. They have to. Uh, that really freaks me out. I'm not saying that's not real politique. It is, but

• 15:19Tom Bilyeu?

  god damn, is it morally gross. So it's saying, let us reabsorb that. It gives us NATO distance. It gives you the economic advantage that you want, but it's so in the daylight, because this is what it always has been, right? It's always been this. It's always been this with mineral rights, with oil, whatever. But man, do I miss the days where we had like a cover story. And I'm conflicted. I don't know why I like that. Because whatever is true is true, and you want to be dealing at the level of truth, but I have this really weird moral discomfort with just- Saying the thing, I don't know, man. It is bananas. So anyway, I'll have to grapple with that. Everybody listening will have to grapple with that. But I really, really, really don't like that.

• 16:04Tom Bilyeu?

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• 18:43Tom Bilyeu?

  History, the only consistent part is the law of unintended consequences. And so there are going to be all these crazy butterfly knock on effects of things that we just can't imagine. But if we, as the US, fracture from Europe because we don't like the way that they're handling the negotiations with Zelensky, because we want the mineral rights. And we've got a president now that will feel some kind of way about Zelensky, starts icing him out and acting like Zelensky is a dictator, but Putin's not like, yo. So you start asking yourself, okay, how do I make Trump make sense? In this moment, Trump makes sense to me at least. When you go, oh, when people don't show him the deference that he believes that he deserves, he's going to turn on them.

• 19:27Tom Bilyeu?

  If he sees an economic opportunity to make America stronger, he's at least going to give it a look. Because I don't know how Trump's going to respond to this. He may be like, get the fuck out of here. Like Putin, that's crazy. I'm not interested in that. But I am going to get what I need out of Zelensky, or I'm going to back off and let you guys fight it out. So we'll see. I do not think I have a crystal ball into which I can see the future. But if you play out the thought experiment of, oh, this leads us to peace, that's how it leads you to peace. You back Putin's bid to take over Ukraine, you do mineral rights. And you make it an economic win for the US and you just say, it is what it is.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  We'll see. In other government news, uh, the US has announced a US crypto reserve. Uh, Donald Trump tweeted over the weekend as well. A US crypto reserve will elevate this critical industry after years of corrupt attacks by the Biden administration, which is why my executive order on digital assets directed the presidential working group to move forward on a crypto strategic reserve. That includes XRP, uh, Solana and Cardano ADA.

• 20:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I was being trolled. Hold on, I know there's more, but when I read XRP, Sol and ADA, I was like, hold on a sec. Is this real? It really seems to be real.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  I will make sure the US is a crypto capital world. We are making America great again. Bitcoin loved the news because the markets were up before they were down because crypto was at a, was trending to being down 20%. Over the weekend at 79, they bounced up after the news to their, a new high of 93 or a new regional high, like locally in the last two weeks. Um, and then, but now there's been a sell off for that.

• 20:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, now it's like falling off a cliff again. Uh, it's a volatile asset, boys and girls.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  But brass, net positive. What do you think about the US having a crypto reserve and not a Bitcoin strategic reserve? Cause I think that's what we need to drill in on.

• 21:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So I think the person that has a really good take on this is Joe Lonsdale and I found myself nodding in agreement with his, uh, texts or his, uh, ex post tweets. There we go. Hi. And that is basically that, um, now I'm going to use my own words. So

• 21:30Tom Bilyeu?

  all of the stock market and doubly so for crypto, it's gambling. Everybody knows my thoughts on forcing Americans or anybody else to gamble because they can't save their money because you're inflating. The money supply is morally bankrupt. Uh, but nonetheless, that's the position that we're in. I do not like the idea of the government taking your taxes and

• 21:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Gambling on crypto. If it was BTC, I would feel less about it just because I have my own personal thesis about what Bitcoin is. But even that, I'd be, I would question it. And what I was saying during the live is this gives me Sam Bankman Freed vibes. Let's remember that Sam Bankman Freed ended up, at least in one snapshot in time, being right. And it was, let me steal your money and I'm going to, without your knowledge, I'm going to invest that in things that will return more money. And I think it did. If they had just let it go, I don't know if it's still true, but for at least a moment in time, he was right and he was up. And so we put him in jail for basically ever because he did that.

• 22:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Because we're like, yo, I don't want you gambling with my money. I gave you money for one thing and you did something else with it. And now the government's saying they're going to do the same thing. And I'm, I'm just like, uh, what? I don't want them gambling with my money. Now, it gets complex when you start talking about a strategic, um, a sovereign wealth fund, excuse me. Because now you're talking about like, hey, if we can get a deal done for TikTok, for instance, should we be able to capture some of the upside of that for the American people? I actually kind of dig that. But also when you fuse the government and corporations, it's called fascism. So it's like, this all starts getting excruciating, excruciatingly complex.

• 23:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So in my nice and simple way of viewing the world, I would rather they did a balanced budget, stop deficit spending. Let people save their money. Let the stock market, let people gamble if they want, but make it optional.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Make it optional.

• 23:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Let the crypto market be the crypto market. Now, um, I'm very happy to be wrong about this and to see that this returns just gangbuster results for the American people. And you get our greatest minds like Howard Letnick, I think that's his name, who you've got in the government right now. Yo, like he's done a bang up job. There's a reason that people get Ray Dalio to come to their country, whether China, the US, Abu Dhabi, wherever. They'll bring him in and be like, yo, help us. So there's a reason that you get these tremendous minds doing this. And then you're able to make incredible investments into your country. So it's like, it's one of those where, um, what do you do when you like the outcome and you hate the method? That's where I'm at.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  That's interesting. Um, I like that we're at least trying new things, but to your point, we don't have it like.

• 24:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, also if XRP, Sol, Bitcoin, any of them tank and the American people are like, yo, I can't make good on my, in fact, it won't be that. I was gonna say, I can't make good on my entitlements because you like bet this stuff on something that's international and it goes down at the whims of human sentiment, uh, but they won't. They would just print money. But now you're back into the position of you just stealing from everybody.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:49Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it's like, ah, man, I just, uh, these games are so complicated and I think it's better that the government stay out of the vast majority of these games.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  In future tech news, Elon talked about infinite products and if money would even be worth it, um, let's jump to the clip.

• 25:06Tom Bilyeu?

  If money would have any value, it's crazy.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  But humanoid robots and deep intelligence, you basically have quasi-infinite products and services available. So with Tesla pulling the most advanced humanoid robot, then, then those humanoid robots can be directed by deep intelligence at the data set level. You can say you can, you can produce any product, just provide any service. There's really no limit to the economy at that point. You can make anything. I'm not sure at that point, will, will money even be meaningful? I don't know. It might not be. Economic output is productivity per capita times, per capita times how many people do you have? If, and if, if in the form of humanoid robots, you have no meaningful limit on the number of robots and the robots can basically do anything, then you, you'll have a sort of a universal high income situation. Anyone will be able to have as many

• 25:53Speaker 02

  products and services as they want, with the exception of things that say have artificial scarcity, like.

• 25:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Pause it for a second.

• 26:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Notice that he doesn't sound excited. And, um, I mean, he's racing to build the world. So he's obviously not thinking, oh, this is a negative thing, but I think the lack of enthusiasm is, it is so unknown. Meaning and purpose. What do you do? Like, how do you make that work? What does that even look like? And I agree that we should be racing towards this as rapidly as we can with thoughts on safety. But I, I very much agree with, I think it was J D Vance that said, you're not going to nanny state your way to success in AI and AI is a race. It is an arms race. That is the right way to think about it.

• 26:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And at the same time, when I look into the future and ask my brain, what does that world look like? It hands me back a null void and it's just like, it's so different. There's no way to accurately predict what the world is actually going to look like. So much of human motivation has to do with, I have a goal that really matters to me and I'm going to pursue that goal. When you take away the, it really matters to me part, which most people are not good at inserting something to say, oh, I'm going to make this the thing that I pursue. This is why I think the default answer in life is become the kind of person worthy of getting married, have children, raise them well, not because I think it's the only path. Obviously it's not, it's not the path that I walked, but when I think about the amount of effort I've had to put into

• 27:25Tom Bilyeu?

  making sure that the things I do in life matter, it's a lot, man. And so you want to align yourself with the evolutionarily planted algorithms that exist in your brain whenever humanly possible. And capitalism is the result of an evolutionarily placed algorithm that runs in people's minds. It is the, I want to do this thing and I want to win. I want to win more than the people around me and people can hate that if they want, but all of innovation is effectively, see how fast I can get canceled, all of innovation is effectively men going, I want to get laid. And so I want to be better than the next person. Now, of course, when you're making something, that's not actually at the forefront of your mind. But that's the machinery that's implanted in your mind that gets you to go do that really hard thing to make things better.

• 28:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you want to contribute to the tribe in a way that makes you somebody of high standing in the tribe. And one of the ways to do that is to make the future better than the present. And so if you can make the future better than the present, you become high status. Being high status gets you access to high status females and, and that drives so much of this. And that's why so much innovation is male led. People can hate that if they want, but that's just. A reality. And so, given that, it's like, I don't know how much of the machinery of the human mind breaks when you have infinite resources. Because we just didn't come up in that period.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And so now it's gonna be like, we, it, it's much like, I would never have predicted that a eternally present abundance of delicious calories would be a bad thing. Like, if you had asked me back in like fifteen hundred, I wouldn't be like, oh, no, I see how this goes wrong. I'd be like, oh, my God, that's amazing. Race to that as fast as you can. Only to find that people are morbidly obese and still like sicker than ever.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it's like, oh, whoa, I didn't see that coming. That, oh, yeah, I guess we are driven to eat like things with a ton of fat and sugar and like just mash it all together. Fat is not bad, but when you combine it ultra high calorie in something with a ton of sugar, it just, you overconsume and you pack on the fat and it just becomes a total shit show. So I worry that there is a similar lurking problem that we have not yet identified that will raise its head once we have that kind of abundance.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  I agree. I took his, his lack of enthusiasm, though, where I differ from you is that it wasn't necessarily that he's harping on the meaningless problem, but more so that it's such a sure future that he's like, okay, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen.

• 29:59Tom Bilyeu?

  So you just took a day reger.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm. Yeah, yeah. Give me in three years and that's exactly when it's gonna happen.

• 30:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I'm gonna say hard pass on that. So this is Elon Musk who said AI is a demon summoning circle. And you have no idea what you're gonna get. Now, admittedly, he now pegs it and as far as I can tell, he's just guessing. But he says eighty percent likelihood that it ends well. Cool. But like, I don't think you go from the guy who says AI is a demon summoning circle to your lack of enthusiasm when you define the future is just, oh, but it's just so commonplace. This is a guy that when he wants to get excited, he knows how to transmit that enthusiasm to get people on board. Mind reading, mind reading, danger, danger, Will Robinson. But uh, my instinct is there's just enough in that where he knows there, there are looming cliffs

• 30:49Tom Bilyeu?

  that we could drive. And I've heard him talk about the meaning crisis where he's like, oh, I don't know what happens when. So anyway, that's my mind read. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors. All right, we're back. Let's get into it.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's, let's do the sci-fi writing experiment for a second because on the same, over the weekend, we had SpaceX launch another rocket that went to Florida. It didn't kind of, it didn't re-enter as well as they wanted it to. So I think they're doing another launch today as well. At the same time, Palmer Lucky is now working on Halo, Master Chief style exoskeletons. So to your point of it used to be, we were tribes, we used to build something in order to bring value to the society to get us laid. Now I feel like we're starting to solve problems that are so novel that it's kind of outside of our day-to-day occurrence. We were talking about this in the live, like going to Mars is a feat, but it doesn't impact a vast majority of Americans. It would just be like, oh yeah, that's cool. We went to Mars.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  As opposed to be something that's getting there. So I, I, I square this circle by saying like, do you think that the fact that we keep pushing technological advances to the limits is now disconnecting from the fundamental origin of technology when it used to be a tool to help us live better?

• 32:02Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think it's disconnecting. I think we will be richly rewarded psychologically for continuing to make the future a better and more exciting place, which is why I'm always surprised. So today during the live, uh, you and Eunice were both like super blasé about going to Mars, something that I think is like unbelievably cool. Uh, so I think back to the space race to get us to the moon and how that really ignited an entire generation of scientists and engineers and dreamers, people that were just like, literally anything is possible. Uh, my hope is that that's exactly what Mars is for this generation.

• 32:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And because for so long, the idea that Peter Thiel put forward of we were promised flying cars and all we got was 140 characters. And it's like, but you're now getting the flying cars, like legitimately getting the flying cars. And so it took longer than expected. Maybe it came in a form factor that we weren't expecting, but it's unbelievable. And I am on fire. This is why I say like, uh, having to start with the, the stuff about forced conscription and God, the crazy negotiation over mineral rights. Not ideal because I would much rather be focused on all this incredible, exciting, like sci-fi come to life stuff.

• 33:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Because this really is, despite all the madness, this remains the most thrilling, exciting time to be alive. So yeah, I mean, I look at this stuff and am over the moon about where we're headed. It doesn't feel disconnected at all.

• 33:38Tom Bilyeu?

  It doesn't mean that I don't think forest bathing is real. And of course, uh, there is that element of humanity as well. But looking at the stars and saying, I can go there. That's pretty thrilling.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Even though we don't see the stars anymore in a majority of US cities and populations.

• 33:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, let's contend with that. Okay. So you brought this up last time. And I think it's a really fascinating insight that A, there are trade offs.

• 34:06Tom Bilyeu?

  B, don't accept the world as you see it as the sum total of that world. Know that not only are you blinded to things, but society has intentionally or unintentionally blinded you to it. And so seeking out awe, seeking out things that give you the chills is very wise. But do I think that it is ultimately a small price to pay? Yes. Which is why humanity has raced forward technologically as hard and fast as they have because let me tell you, go watch a season of Alone and tell me that that's worth being able to see the stars for. When you can still drive to Joshua Tree or whatever and see it, like when you have to fight for every calorie.

• 34:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And your life is just completely occupied by survive this winter. It's, it's just a different game, man. And if you really want to freak yourself out. Uh, I showed everybody that book that I'm reading now about Mao's China called Tombstone.

• 35:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Dying of starvation is gnarly. There was a few towns in China where they found clay. Like dig up and there's clay. They found clay and apparently you can eat clay. But it doesn't have nutritional value at all. And so some percentage of people, they were just so hungry. They couldn't stop themselves from, they would literally line up. It's like your turn now to like dig and eat the clay. Some people would eat so much of it, it would kill them.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 35:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And I just thought, bro.

• 35:42Tom Bilyeu?

  When you starve people long enough, they will cannibalize their own children. Read Red Famine, read Tombstone. They both talk about cannibalizing your own children. Okay, I know people with a full belly right now cannot fathom that they would ever do that. Humans do. They, they will cannibalize their own children. Enough said about that. They will eat clay. And so. When you think that to get out of that state. We have had to. Evolution has had to plant in our brains, this desire to solve these problems.

• 36:22Tom Bilyeu?

  To not just fish, but to build boats that allow us to take nets out into the deep sea and capture enough that populations can explode. That's what it had to do to get us out of that constant danger of like you might starve to death. It's pretty amazing. And so I, your point is taken about, we have obscured the beauty of the Milky Way.

• 36:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But bro, like it, it is a price I'm willing to pay, given what I know history looks like.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  I think, okay, I don't want to get pigeonholed into this, but I think that that's a good, I want to push back because I think to your point, if we have obscured the beauty of the Milky Way with. Rockets that are shooting toward the stars? Cool. Okay, it's for a technological advancement. But 99% of the light pollution is advertisements and streetlights. So it's one of those things that it's sometimes these technological advancements aren't necessarily for the betterment of society, but for the forwardness of personal interest.

• 37:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Second and third order consequences.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:30Tom Bilyeu?

  There's no doubt.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  I'm so 100% glad that because that is our perfect segue into the corruption piece of the show.

• 37:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Which is, as we're dealing with this, Elon was on Joe Rogan and didn't want to necessarily talk about the type of corruption that he's seeing in USA. But I want to kind of pigeon tail this with some of the other corruption links that we found today, whether it was AOC giving advice to illegal immigrants to circumvent ICE, or whether it was Jasmine Crockett talking about Trump as an enemy to the US, even though he was democratically elected in. So there's this kind of like, we are seeing the next movement and the next step that the human race is taking forward. But I'm sure we're not seeing all the second and third order consequences like corruption and some of these other things that might be a negative externality of that movement forward.

• 38:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Of the evolutionary algorithms in our brains, yes, I will give you that. Uh, play this clip. This is nuts.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  It's more than just insider trading.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  Like the insider trading stuff, like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's, uh, it's a lot more than insider trading.

• 38:36Tom Bilyeu?

  The way they're acquiring wealth.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 38:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And what other methods?

• 38:41Speaker 02

  I mean, this is really going to get me assassinated.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  I mean, I was supposed to go back to DC. How am I going to survive?

• 38:58Speaker 02

  This poker is going to kill me for sure.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  So, um, in fact, I do think like this, it's like, I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff because it's going to get me killed.

• 39:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Super unnerving. I don't think he's wrong. I think you have to plant a mile marker here and say, "Look, of course, he could be saying that because there is nothing else and he wants to make much to do about nothing and he wants to fuel Doge and he just wants people to get behind him and accept that like there's this crazy thing that's happening and you just gotta trust me and I can't talk about it because I'll get killed." Cool. While fully acknowledging that, at the same time, in the full interview, he talks about like, when you have people that are in the government, because he was saying, you should, I think this all started when he said, "You should pay people more in the government." And Rogan's like, "Huh? Why would we want to do that?" And he was like, "Because you create a forcing function for corruption. These guys are living in DC,

• 40:00Tom Bilyeu?

  one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the world, which is already like, hey, that should raise questions." And these government bureaucrats are in a district with terrible schools and they can't afford to put their kid in private school. And so now you create this forcing function where they're going to take corrupt money so that they can do it for their kids. And he said, "If I'm stopping people from doing that, then now all of a sudden, they can fight against me or try to have me assassinated because they're doing it for their kids." And he was like, "Once you trigger that," he's like, "Now all bets are off." And so I do think that there, even if he's faking it, it isn't a fake idea that dragging the corruption into the light is exactly historically

• 40:44Tom Bilyeu?

  how people have been killed. I mean, you don't have to read a whole lot about JFK, which released them files, but you don't have to read too much about JFK before you go, "Ooh, there are some pretty compelling arguments that this was JFK just had his finger on too much money." Yeah. And so people were like, "Not, gotta go." So people do crazy shit for money, crazy shit. And so if he really does see a vein of corruption, that would be so damaging to talk about that he's worried. I, I only hope that it does find its way into the public sphere, not attached to anyone in particular, but this is the kind of transparency that we want. That's the kind of transparency that we need, making that kind of stuff impossible, paying people well so that you get the best and

• 41:27Tom Bilyeu?

  the brightest. I'm here for that. But creating a forcing function for-

• 41:33Tom Bilyeu?

  People to be corrupt, that's that play that has the worst second and third order consequences I can imagine.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  That makes sense to me. And then now I want to get to this NPR interview with AOC.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Dispute, if that's the right word, with Tom Homan, the president's homeland security czar, so called. You held an online forum, a know your rights forum that he didn't like. What were you doing? What was your goal as you saw it?

• 42:00Speaker 04

  My job is to educate and act as a liaison of critical information to my constituents. And I was informing all of my constituents of their constitutional protections. And in particular, their constitutional protections against illegal search and seizure in the United States.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Homan was upset, I suppose, because he felt that you were giving advice to people who are here illegally. Were you?

• 42:33Speaker 04

  I was giving advice to all of my constituents.

• 42:38Tom Bilyeu?

  I love anybody standing up for the constitutional rights that you have. However,

• 42:45Tom Bilyeu?

  when you say, and this is why I say, to be fair, she obviously did not come out and say, hey, even illegal immigrants are my constituents and I was fighting for them. But I think you'd be pretty hard pressed not to read between the lines and be like, hold on a second. You clearly don't have to worry about the people that are here legally because ICE is going to look at them and be like, you're here legally. So this is aimed at, I think, being generous. This is somebody who's very compassionate, who understands people worked very hard to get here, that they probably had it very bad where they were coming from. They've come in and she wants to make sure that they're

• 43:25Tom Bilyeu?

  able to stay and she knows a way to help them get around it. And as a country, we're going to have to contend with whether we think that's okay or not. So I would say this is pretty dicey and I would expect them to keep pushing and pursuing this because if she is helping people evade this, just like we're seeing people in ICE that are telling people this is where the next raid is going to happen, those people are getting found out and fired, this is going to create.

• 43:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Real division that people are gonna have to put some sort of guidelines in place with what we think is acceptable, what's not acceptable. Because at a minimum, I would expect her answer to be something along the lines of, "Hey, I'm just telling my constituents exactly what is legal and what is not legal." Anybody that has beef with that is crazy. I can't stop somebody who's illegal from hearing this, and if they're illegal, then obviously that should be processed in a sensible way, and those are not the people that I'm speaking to. And this goes back to the whole thing of like, everyone's just saying the quiet part out loud, and it's like getting real fucking creepy to me. Not because I don't wanna know what's true, I do wanna know what's true. It's normalizing like all of the

• 44:38Tom Bilyeu?

  the shit that we should be striving to get away from. In fact, this is me putting together in real time what's bothering me. Instead of trying to improve ourselves, instead of trying to ask really difficult moral questions, we're all saying, "I'm gonna do it this way." "I want everyone to just normalize that this is the thing." It's no longer about debate and people saying, "I don't have all the answers." This is exactly why we have three branches of government that pull, push and pull on each other, and we get to things through a democratic process. This is now everybody just like going, "Okay, this is my way." "I'm gonna do it whether everybody's watching or not. I don't give a fuck what you think. I don't have time for morals." "It's realpolitik as it should be, and it is what it is." Like, I want people to acknowledge that realpolitik is a thing so that they come to the world

• 45:22Tom Bilyeu?

  with their eyes wide open, but I want them to strive to be better. And the message that I always got growing up as a kid, you were always striving to be the better version, and

• 45:32Tom Bilyeu?

  it's interesting, because I think this all filters down. Ah, this is fucking interesting. Controlled narratives, man. Controlled narratives.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Bringing elites back? Start lying to us again?

• 45:43Tom Bilyeu?

  James Burnham. James Burnham. This is, I don't want people lying.

• 45:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But I do want an aspirational narrative. I want the full embrace of the truth. It's interesting, Drew, this is what I'm trying to do with this show.

• 46:03Tom Bilyeu?

  A full embrace of the truth, an acknowledgement that A, even when I bang on a table and say, I know this and I understand this and everybody should listen. People should merely take it as a data point that allows them to build a more cohesive worldview as they understand it.

• 46:21Tom Bilyeu?

  But I understand that I don't have all the right answers. I don't want anybody to treat me like I have all the right answers. Everybody needs to think for themselves. No one is coming to save us. We want to map the world as it actually is. But we should aspire, we ought to aspire. That is me expressing my beliefs about what the world should be from a moral perspective. We ought to aspire to something better. And I feel like because of the velocity and volume of information that social media has brought to bear. I don't feel people striving for that. I don't feel the

• 47:01Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't feel that there is a cohesive moral narrative that we share. The hesitation in my voice is because this is all coming into conflict. This is all being confronted by

• 47:21Tom Bilyeu?

  the reality that this is really tribes that don't share a moral understanding of the world. And I am realizing in real time, my real beef may be, we just don't share morality anymore. And that sounds dangerous to me. That's how you end up in a civil war.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Wow. So do you think we're closer to, was that like a civil war? Light switch?

• 47:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, look, it's, it's all coming together with things I already believe. It's just always fascinating. This is why people should journal and thank you all for, I mean, the show has effectively become my verbal journal.

• 47:57Tom Bilyeu?

  When you see far flung pieces of your belief system click into place, it's almost more unnerving than when somebody gives you a better lens because you're like, oh, uh, all of these things that are happening. Cause I haven't even, I haven't thought a lot about civil war. It used to like, really was occupying my thoughts when I first started looking at it through a financial lens. And I was like, ooh.

• 48:20Tom Bilyeu?

  But yeah, this is two

• 48:23Tom Bilyeu?

  worldviews racing away from each other really, really rapidly. And because everybody believes they're right, they just flout.

• 48:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think that's the right way to use that word, but they, it's so close. I'm going to stick with it. They flout their beliefs against the other side. Oh, that's not quite right. But hopefully you guys get what I mean. They just, they don't give a shit. They just start moving in a different direction. They don't care.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  In lighter news.

• 48:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, take us somewhere lighter.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're going, we're going fun now to wrap the show up.

• 48:51Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, let's go.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  In lighter news.

• 48:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Sure, let's have some fun.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  The Oscars was this weekend. Uh, Enora was the big winner, winning best, best picture, best actress. Adrian Brody won for best, uh, actor in the brutalist. Zoe Zaldana was best supporting actress. She, her speech went viral about being the child of an immigrant.

• 49:09Tom Bilyeu?

  What'd she win for? The musical?

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I gotta watch it. Is it worth it? Yeah, I've seen too many people make that face. I love her in Lioness though.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Lioness is the goat. I got time on that show. You guys should check it out.

• 49:22Tom Bilyeu?

  It's true.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  But yeah, and of course in true fashion, uh, it was revealed that Oscar rules require diversity quotas for best picture nominees.

• 49:30Tom Bilyeu?

  It came out a few years ago.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was after the Oscars was so white, uh, fiasco.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  And then Elon retweeted, this is messed up. Shouldn't just be who is best, not best with an asterisk.

• 49:43Tom Bilyeu?

  I agree. So, uh, for those that don't know, I went to film school. Film is my first love. Always thought I was going to be a film director, uh, which is why Impact Theory is so focused on making content for 11 to 15 year olds. Yada, yada. Not this show. Obviously I'm well aware of that, but, um,

• 50:02Tom Bilyeu?

  I now don't really think about film much anymore. Now, I still love entertainment in a way that many people will find distressing. But filmmaking has really lost its oomph. There's been a talent drain over to series. God bless it, series is probably a better format.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Like TV shows and stuff like that.

• 50:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. It's a better format, lets you go way more in depth, lets you binge watch, which is certainly a thing right now. But the thing that gave me a flag that I could plant and say, this is why I've sort of given up on Oscars. Cause I used to like fantasize about winning an Oscar and now I legitimately don't even think about it. It isn't just this, but this just put a nice fine point on it that not only in front of the camera, but behind the camera. Like you've got to meet certain quotas for your film to qualify. And that means that there are so many of the greats of cinema that wouldn't qualify today, which just strikes me as ridiculous. So that makes me sad.

• 51:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, I just want to see the art form do battle in the world of public opinion for the art. And the more you can blind people to anything else, just like the final piece of art. Did it reveal something about the human experience? Did it make you feel something? That, that is the game for me.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can, I feel like all the award shows have lost their appeal. This takes me back to the Grammys a couple of years ago where like Kanye was pissing on his Grammy. Drake said he's never gonna.

• 51:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Did he literally piss on his Grammy?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, he pissed on his Grammy. Drake said he'll never attend a Grammys again. So there, this, they were billed as the tastemakers and these were the best of the best. And we're starting to realize that it is a biased group of people. It is a biased group of journalists. It's a very select, isolated group that you have to be in that ecosystem and in that world to understand the choices that they make. So by no means am I saying that the Oscars is worthless, but I no means do I think it is the, the crowning achievement of a creative that it was once billed as. I feel like there's a lot of extremely talented people who have made movies that touch my soul that never won a gold trophy. And I feel like that's the ultimate, like. Not is will your movie last 10 years from now? There's a bunch of movies that have that went home with 10 Oscars.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  But after that year, you never think about them again.

• 52:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  So.

• 52:20Tom Bilyeu?

  It's so interesting. It would be fascinating to do like, uh, in fact, somebody please out there in the land of social media do this. To give awards like a decade hence. So, all right, to qualify, you must be at least 10 years old and have stood the test of time.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And now we like do our thing. That would be really interesting, but this goes to cultural energy like it. It really is like it's a moment, even the show we build around, not just things that are evergreen. We build around like what's culture on right now. Uh, and that's part of the fun, like you want to be in that stream. That's just like, oh, there's so much energy around this. So I get why they would never work to do that sort of long term thing. But is a far more fascinating.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, would I rather be have created something that wins 10 Oscars in a year? Whatever award that I care about. Would I rather do that? Or would I rather be totally panned? But like 10 years later, people like, yo, this is the thing. I'd much rather this is the thing.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:20Tom Bilyeu?

  To be remembered would be phenomenal.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  To me, it's me, that's what art is about, but all right, moving on. This was a fun one that I found over the weekend that I like, we have to talk about. So I'm going to give you guys a bullet points of what exactly happened. So I am really shout out to him on Twitter. This was his week. So he makes leak code. It's a cheating tool for big tech interviews. He uses it on an Amazon interview and gets the offer. Then he YouTube's the entire thing, creating the code, using it during the Amazon interview and tells Amazon to F off declines it. Amazon then gets mad and emails Columbia and gives him a disciplinary letter. And then he tweets out the letter out loud. Like this is crazy. I went through his Twitter. He also had a, a, an offer letter from Meta. They pulled once they kind of found out who he was. It's interesting to me of like, this is like a coveted job.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  And for him to kind of give the F you to the institution. It's like, I like chaos. I like to watch it burn, but it's like, sheesh, like.

• 54:14Tom Bilyeu?

  I like.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, he stood 10 toes down on this. I just thought that it was amazing of the intersection between like AI, but using it in almost. Revolutionary like standpoint, what's your takeaway?

• 54:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, this is fascinating to me on two levels. One, that AI is getting so good that AI is feeding him the answers. He reads them verbatim, if I remember the clip right, and gets the job offer, which says AI is able to get a coveted job at a company that a lot of people want to work at. So, hey, from a touring test perspective, that's a pretty gangster like performance by AI. And also, listen to all the kids out there, if you can hear my voice right now, I promise you, the grades that you get, all that stuff, none of it matters. What matters is, and what this kid is going to be remembered for, is he made something. He had the guts to do this, he had the wherewithal to like document it, put it all out there.

• 55:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And when I think about the iconoclast that we all love and remember, people like Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was fired from Atari because he smelled and he was such a pain in the ass to work with because he literally wouldn't shower. And so, people that are not afraid to jump outside of the box, to really view the world through a totally different lens.

• 55:29Tom Bilyeu?

  They, if they have the intellectual horsepower and all that, it's, you know, it's not one dimensional. They end up creating true new novel things. So I have no doubt this kid is going to be just fine. Uh, the second way that I think that this is super dumb is that is just not the play. Like, if you're the company, you want to be like, yo, this kid is fascinating. If I, look, I get the guy that made him the offer feels like a fool, and so he's going to rescind it. But if I'm high up in the company, I'm like, somebody reach out to that kid. I want to talk to him, I want to find out, is he only an iconoclast and he can't like be a part of a team and do a thing? In which case, I don't want him. But like, he's ahead of his times, he's at the cutting edge of AI, he like had the balls to do this thing, like, I want to talk to that kid.

• 56:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And you will often find, when people can set their ego aside and just be like, but objectively, this is interesting, which is why it's captured the attention. To go to Columbia and be like, yo, like, this kid is cheating, cheat, what? Like, this guy built something, is leveraging AI, and I don't know, I assume if they send him a disciplinary letter, it means that he's still in school.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:33Tom Bilyeu?

  If that kid is doing this at like 20, 21, 19, maybe, I mean, come on, that's really impressive. So yeah, I would be like, hey, I'm impressed. This kid's got something. Now whether he can integrate with a team is a question that life is going to ask him. And if he can't, he won't go very far. But if he can.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  It's impressive. Sky's the limit.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  In streaming news, Hassan was banned for Twitch for calling for the un-aliving of Rick Scott.

• 57:02Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what he said.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  We have the censored clip here.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would kill Rick Scott. If you cared about Medicare fraud.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  We don't need to play it twice. Yeah. Thoughts? It's a 24 hour ban, so he should be back relatively quick, but.

• 57:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so he's right in that gray area of, he did not expressly, he did not say, go unalive Rick Scott. He said, if you cared about this thing, you would. So because I, I'm, I walk right up to the line. I'm not quite a free speech absolutist, but I walk up to the line. 24 hour ban by a private company. Cool. I got no beef with that. If you keep saying stuff like that, ban it for longer just because you don't want it on the platform. Cool. Should he be fined or arrested? Absolutely not. So that, when I look at the UK and I see people going crazy there and people getting harassed and arrested there and in Germany, I'm like,

• 58:01Tom Bilyeu?

  you guys have read the book 1984, right? Like this is not the game that you want to be playing. So yeah, look, I think it's crazy. I wouldn't say things like that. I think that's a mistake. I think he's coming in way too hot. Probably really is his worldview. But I hate everything about that. But I wouldn't, from the perspective of should he be allowed to say something like that? Yes. Is it in a gray area where I'm surprised, where I'm not surprised that he got banned for 24 hours? No, I mean, it's very much in that gray area.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Nice, nice. Kai Sinet also had a spicy take. Streamers were on a roll this weekend when he was talking about how he didn't understand why people watch PewDiePie.

• 58:44Speaker 06

  Times in that bitch. But I couldn't see how niggas got into PewDiePie. I'm sorry. Nah, I agree. I feel like I didn't watch him. When I, when I, when I, I mean, I mean, when I looked into him. I'll be honest, that might be an outtake though. You feel me? It be like that sometimes, but everybody's not for everybody because some niggas might say that about you. Nah, facts. It be like that. Not for me personally though.

• 59:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Robin's spitting faster than you.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  It be like that. Uh, Mr. Beast did retweet him and ended up saying, yeah, it is an outtake. PewDiePie helped shape YouTube landscape, so.

• 59:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I mean, that's facts, but like the fact that Kai Sanaat doesn't like him, nah, whatever. So, I mean, this is fun. To be really honest, I do love cultural drama like that where people just want to have their take. Uh, so I am not at all above like being in the fray of ultimately meaningless things like that. But it is, uh,

• 59:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I, not everybody's gonna like him. I have to admit, I'm surprised he's still as big as he is. Like now, when I look at, it feels like culture has moved on from that. Uh, but yeah, I mean, he terraformed YouTube. Like when I first heard how big he was, I was like, whoa, I don't understand the landscape. Like this is incredible. Uh, so yeah, I mean, shout out to all of our forbearers. Like we are all standing on the shoulders of giants and PewDiePie really did a lot of this stuff first, or certainly did it first and best, as they say. I mean, same, shout out to Rogan. Like, say what you want. Like he, I forget the exact phrase, he did it best first? Like he was not the first podcaster ever, but he did it so well, so early

• 1:00:14Tom Bilyeu?

  that he is now reaping the just rewards, but he will ultimately be replaced by somebody. And culture is just gonna move on like that. Just is what it is.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Yep. Speaking of moving on, update from the streets. They're still trash. They're still trash. Streets is trash. A girl got mad at me because I told her I didn't want to have casual sex.

• 1:00:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Streets is trash.

• 1:00:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, this just took a turn.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Streets, streets, streets is trash.

• 1:00:35Tom Bilyeu?

  More info, please. Uh, first date, where are we at?

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  No, uh, it was dates number like two and a half.

• 1:00:42Tom Bilyeu?

  And you were just not feeling it?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  We, like, I just, I wasn't into it. I didn't want to do it.

• 1:00:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And were you attracted to her?

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  I am attracted to her, but I just, I, I feel like I, yeah, I don't want to just have like meaningless sex anymore.

• 1:00:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  And I felt like I wanted to like establish that boundary and then it became like, yeah, but wait, but wait. And then it turned into like a text message argument and I was like, oh wow, you're like really upset about this. And then we ended up, then I was like, oh, cool. So you should go your way and God bless you. And we decided to just handshake. It was a cordial, uh,

• 1:01:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Agreement, but it is easier to have casual sex than to find a girlfriend in the streets of LA in 2025.

• 1:01:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, just, just when I thought this was gonna be like, super light and casual. Uh, Drew, I love everything about this. Okay, so I'm Team Drew, for sure.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:01:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, were you saying like, hey, no, I wanna have more dates, I just, we're not there yet, and I wanna keep going? Or were you like, this is a breakup because this is just casual for me and I'm not interested in having sex?

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  No, it, it was, I wanna see where this goes, but I feel like if we start to have sex now, I'm not gonna see, I'm not gonna learn more about you, I'm just gonna be attracted to your body, and then before I know it, we're just gonna be having sex all the time. And I wanna see if there's something more to this than just us having sex all the time.

• 1:01:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, interesting.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, why do you think that sex would make it harder for you to get to know her as a person?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  I believe that sex clouds your judgment.

• 1:02:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Mm-hmm. That has not been my experience, but that's full stop.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that's my complete sense. I feel like, what, I, I think, where I'm, where I'm at in my, in, in my life, is I'm looking for like, maximum compatibility, and I feel like, sometimes when you have good sex with somebody, you can, a lot of green flags, a lot of red flags start turning pink, you start to overlook some things because you like how they look.

• 1:02:29Tom Bilyeu?

  You know something about yourself, and you know I over-index on the sexual aspect,

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:35Tom Bilyeu?

  and that blinds me very clear. Okay, wow, well, first of all, it's high-level communication, so I certainly commend you. It's also a extreme degree of self-awareness that most people lack, so double commend. Um, it's interesting, I have not had that experience in my life, maybe just because that's not my blind spot, but I've been married since I was 26, so I take that for what it's worth, but, um, that's really interesting. Now, I have a feeling that she took it as you're not attractive enough to have sex with, but I wasn't in the DM, so who knows if that's accurate, but when I think about, if somebody has an emotional reaction to that, they feel reject, they were rejected, you did reject her, she made an overture for sex and you said no. Everyone's gonna feel some kind of way about that.

• 1:03:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Women probably 10x more because it's usually a very useful strategy to be like, well, I'm gonna give them this thing. Therefore, it will give me an opportunity to

• 1:03:34Tom Bilyeu?

  form a relationship with them. Men tend to bond. Like, there's a great saying, women need to feel loved to have women need to feel loved to have sex and men need to have sex to feel loved. And I've always thought that was bang on. And so if she has learned over time that that's how to draw a guy in deeper,

• 1:03:57Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm sure it would be very disorienting for her that you were like, nah. And then her internal monologue is gonna run away with her about what it means and all that. It's very interesting. Drew, thank you for sharing that, man. That is extremely

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  We're supposed to talk about this post, but we got you got a little bit derailed, you got a little bit derailed.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Okay, this was hilarious. Divorce rates, men and women, 49%. Men and men, 29%. Women and women, 72%. Men aren't the problem, ladies. Numbers don't lie.

• 1:04:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  What's your first takeaway?

• 1:04:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so the first thing I was like, there's no way this is true. Actually, that's not true. My first reaction was, oh, yes, this is everything that I know about men and women. And then I was like, okay, hold on. Let me look this up. This feels a little too meme-y to be accurate. Now, I haven't done in-depth analysis, but it does seem that it's not 100% correct. First of all, the stats seem to be coming from a UK study. And the UK study does back up

• 1:04:58Tom Bilyeu?

  the directionality of this, but the 72% is data from 2019 indicated that 72% of same-sex divorces involved female couples. So does that say the same thing? 72% of same-sex divorces involved female couples. So 72% of same-sex divorces are lesbians.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Tom Bilyeu?

  It doesn't say that women and women have a 72% divorce rate. There we go. That's why that doesn't sit right. So that that isn't quite accurate, but it may even be

• 1:05:33Tom Bilyeu?

  A more, because it would be 28%

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  For the women.

• 1:05:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Of divorces are men. So, look, it could be an even stronger indication. But anyway, that exact stat isn't represented quite accurately. But the fact that of same-sex marriages, 72% of them are women, lesbians, excuse me, that is absolutely fascinating. Also, there is some, I don't know the exact stat, but most, so north of 50% of divorces are instigated by women. So now the question becomes, does that mean that women are more emotionally intelligent? And they realize that this relationship is going nowhere fast? And men are just too dim-witted at the emotional level to realize, oh, we need to pull out of this?

• 1:06:22Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't want to immediately say that it means what men want it to mean. But it is very, very interesting that women get divorced at a much higher rate. That's pretty fascinating.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  I'm gonna leave this alone after my weekend, so I just want to leave the numbers out there.

• 1:06:41Tom Bilyeu?

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