#332 – Kanye ‘Ye’ West Interview

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• 0:00Lex Fridman?

  The following is a conversation with Yay, the legendary artist, producer and designer formerly known as Kanye West. And now, a quick few second mention of each sponsor. Check them out in the description. It's the best way to support this podcast. We got Shopify for e-commerce, InsideTracker for bio-monitoring, ExpressVPN for privacy, and Athletic Greens for nutrition. Choose wisely, my friends. And now, onto the full ad reads. As always, no ads in the middle. I hate those. They interrupt the conversation. And I hate it when long-form conversations interrupted. Still, if you happen to want to listen to these, I try to make them interesting, but

• 0:43Lex Fridman?

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• 0:52Lex Fridman?

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• 1:36Lex Fridman?

  spend, you know, minutes, if not hours, on a very specific detail. And even with people like me, who are not deeply knowledgeable about fashion, at least like the behind-the-scenes of fashion, he's still able to make it clear to me and have a brainstorm with me and just talk. And, I mean, the creative fire is there. No matter what he's going on through his personal life, the creative fire is burning bright. And it's really beautiful to see. Anyway, if the creative fire burns for you, and you create something, and you want to sell it, use Shopify. Get a free trial and full access to Shopify's entire suite of features when you sign up at Shopify.Lux. That's all lowercase.

• 2:23Lex Fridman?

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• 3:08Lex Fridman?

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• 3:53Lex Fridman?

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• 4:13Lex Fridman?

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• 4:57Lex Fridman?

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• 5:15Lex Fridman?

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• 5:24Lex Fridman?

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• 6:01Lex Fridman?

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• 6:44Lex Fridman?

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• 7:03Lex Fridman?

  This is the Lex Fridman Podcast. To support it, please check out our sponsors in the description. And now, dear friends, here's Yay.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Based off of our connection and just you being a friend, I need to show you my two tech companies and get your perspective on it. Cause now I have friends that can give perspective. Like when I would work on albums, I had other friends that worked on albums and they would give me their perspectives on it.

• 7:44Lex Fridman?

  You want to do this?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  We are doing it. This is part of it.

• 7:47Lex Fridman?

  This is part of it?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 7:48Lex Fridman?

  All right, beautiful.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I wanted to finish. The thing is, okay, you're going to ask me different questions, but I'm about growing and building and bringing the idea to life. So when I see you, I say, oh, this guy understands how to hire engineers. Where I'm coming from, coming from Hollywood, coming from press, coming from media, all of the guys, you know, that so many of the guys that have been like voices and faces and talking heads, whatever, have not understood how to engineer product. And that's the reason why I was able to jump past everyone in the entertainment field and become, you know, whatever the net worth is, 11 billion. I'm gonna stop putting the whole black thing on my worth. Like, let's just see where I am on the scale of life,

• 8:34Speaker 01

  because that's a cop out for me to say richest black guy of all time, because that's feeding into the same, you know, trauma economy that Black Lives Matter feeds into. That's why I love and respect engineers. That's the only thing that we really need to teach in school is engineering. We don't need to teach history. We don't need to teach anything that is subjective. It needs to only be engineering taught in school. And everything else needs to be recess. Nothing at all. Any forced subjective information is just to weaken and indoctrinate our species. And that's what schools do now.

• 9:15Lex Fridman?

  As an engineer, I love hearing you say that. But to push back, history is not. The interpretation of history might be subjective, but history has some facts. And they're useful to give a grounding to the way you do engineering.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  I don't 100% believe in anything, any concept of the future or any concept of history, because history was just written by the victors.

• 9:38Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  So if I see stuff happen on the day that later that day is reported wrong. So how wrong is something reported 1,000 years ago? And why would we argue about something that's not in the now? Because that's the only thing that everyone can agree upon is that it is now, right now.

• 9:59Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, well, you try not to make the mistakes of the past. That's the usefulness of history, the limited usefulness of history.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  The biggest mistake from the past that we keep making is looking at the past.

• 10:09Lex Fridman?

  Too much, giving too much value to the past.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Too much value to the past. We are now. We are now, we are here, we are one species. We are one race. We're here. And it's time. And the leadership is changing because you have Elon as a leader, Yay as a leader. And we are the top leaders. We're more influential than the presidents.

• 10:32Lex Fridman?

  So you're a human being with engineering challenges before you, with STEM player, with parlor. What's the hardest thing in front of you on the engineering front?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  That's the first sentence that any of our species needs to hear when they're born. You are a human being with engineering challenges. And I consider challenges to be opportunities in front of you.

• 10:57Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Literally like, let me see a piece for you. I need to write that down. That's the beginning of our new species constitution.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  I'm gonna do the paper like this wide. I'll put it in widescreen. This, this for Ridley.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  You are.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  No, let me like, you are a being

• 11:27Speaker 01

  with

• 11:31Speaker 01

  in

• 11:33Speaker 01

  year nearing.

• 11:38Lex Fridman?

  Opportunities or challenges?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Opportunities.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I don't spell as good as John Legend.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  Opportunities.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  And

• 11:56Speaker 01

  before you.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  I like the before because it can mean, actually can mean forward or before you. This right here, I've always said I'm the top five writer in human existence. But this like, this right here is pushing me to like number four, number three.

• 12:15Lex Fridman?

  It's a good line.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Because who would you say is the top? It's top writer in human existence, we know who it is.

• 12:19Lex Fridman?

  That's subjective. Who's that?

• 12:20Speaker 01

  It's factual though. It's like, okay, who's the top person in tech history? It's not subjective.

• 12:27Lex Fridman?

  Wow.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  There's a non-subjective answer to both of those. Both of those people have influenced 30% of our existence.

• 12:39Lex Fridman?

  So the influence is the main metric of greatness.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Okay, one person, 30% of our language was, the English language was written by them. The other person, 30% of the products we use was led by them. So.

• 12:53Lex Fridman?

  30% of our language was written by, oh Shakespeare.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  And it was.

• 12:55Lex Fridman?

  And then the product, product, product, product.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Look, look.

• 12:59Lex Fridman?

  Steve Jobs.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:02Lex Fridman?

  You put Steve above like Elons of the world? Cause Steve is a designer, not, he's a designer engineer, but he's a designer, he's a visionary in the design space.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Well, I would lean to him because I'm not an engineer, right? So I'm more like-

• 13:14Lex Fridman?

  Then you're an engineer. If Steve is an engineer, you're an engineer, essentially.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  He's a cultural engineer. Like the people who run the emotions of the world and run the world off of people's emotions right now are, uh, social engineers. And social engineering is so important, like, like, um, CD design. There's a fancier word for that. Um, but I was, uh, I was in Oxnard last night to see Anthony Jeselnik. And I gotta find out what his opening joke was because I'm doing interviews and I'm thinking I'm funny. And I like that he said, he just kept on saying 20 year in a verse, I've been doing this for 20 years. And his opening joke was so high level, I realized that I wasn't funny.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  I realized that this dude is a professional at what he does. And so many things are subjective. I always talk about this, it's like, you know, and people are arguing like, is Emily Radikowski the hottest, you know, person? And I'm like, that's such a subjective thing, but like, if you go and shoot three pointers with Steph Curry, it's not subjective, right? Or if you go and compare bank accounts with Elon, it's not subjective. And another thing that's not subjective, porn.

• 14:34Lex Fridman?

  What about it?

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Dick size. It's not subjective. You can measure.

• 14:40Lex Fridman?

  But porn is more about, uh, more than just dick size and greatness is more than the size of the bank account, right? So there's a subjective-

• 14:50Speaker 01

  But greatness is subjective, though.

• 14:52Lex Fridman?

  Right. So you do, do you care about the stuff that's objective or subjective more? Cause greatness to me is what matters. The bank account comes and goes. The impact on our society, like you said, social engineering, the impact on the collective intelligence of our species, that what permeates throughout the rest of the time.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  I like what you said, the impact.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  I'm taking notes. How did you say?

• 15:23Lex Fridman?

  On the collective intelligence of our species.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  The impact on the collective.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  And.

• 15:38Lex Fridman?

  When Ye is writing down the words that came out of my dumb mouth, I have made it in life.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people that have kind of like sit through, sat through. I wanted to wear a different color hoodie because I was just tired of seeing this hoodie in all the interviews. And there's a lot of kids that are with me. They see what I'm saying.

• 15:59Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  And they had to sit through all of the muck of all the previous interviews to get to this. Every interview has been just an emotional. It's just like been an argument up to this point. This is the first of.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  This is the next frontier of where our species is going to head. It starts here. It starts with you, Lex.

• 16:28Lex Fridman?

  So this is the first time I heard you say the word engineering at least so many times, which I love hearing. So this is where you're at. You're like that newborn. You're a being with engineering opportunities.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. And we're all a newborn because in Christianity we say born again. We're all newborns and everyone can. Everyone shall, I like the word can. Shell, the only thing about shell is like it kind of dictates and can kind of, kind of lets people off the hook. So I haven't found the perfect post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and post Elon and post Ye and post Drake way to communicate this.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  But we update and we do. And what the current media structure. No, it's not actually nothing is holding us. There's nothing actually holding us back because I'm still alive. I'm still alive. Like they could have killed me at, you know, George Bush don't care about black people. They could have killed me at Beyonce had the best video, but we're here now. So we just keep on leaning and leaning and leaning. And there's these things where I just think about, you know, there'll be times when I'm at war. And every now and then, when the, when the bombs stopped going off and all the headlines and the smearing and all that stopped going off, I think about my family and I'll think

• 17:57Speaker 01

  about Kim and I'll think about how, you know, King Koopa has her in the castle right now. And just on Mario Brothers, you know how it is, just go for the princess and you get to this level and it's like, I sung the song wrong, right? And then they take the princess again.

• 18:17Lex Fridman?

  Which one are you, Mario?

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:22Lex Fridman?

  What's your favorite thing, the thing you love the most about Kim? From a Mario perspective and the princess? Looking back, was there a moment?

• 18:34Speaker 01

  She's definitely my favorite of all time.

• 18:36Lex Fridman?

  Yeah. Was there a moment that, you know, like that catches you off guard and you say, I love this human being?

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's just the, the DNA is like, she's a mix of Rob and Chris.

• 19:01Lex Fridman?

  Can you explain?

• 19:03Speaker 01

  I mean, that's like a really high pool right there.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Those are like two geniuses.

• 19:14Lex Fridman?

  So, okay, so like the entire of history of evolution of the human species created this DNA that created this being, there's a life there, there's a set of memories and a history that brought you together and you're like, damn, I like this DNA.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so certain people have just like high DNA. Ivanka Trump has high DNA. You know, it's like-

• 19:39Lex Fridman?

  How's your DNA? Pretty good?

• 19:43Speaker 01

  I, I think we've seen that, it's been proven. I mean, but look at my, look at my mom and look at my dad. You know, me and my dad have a water purification center in the DR right now. And my dad is the original Steve Jobs and he was blocked by people around him and people were using him and taking advantage and, you know, not believing in his vision. He's, my dad's the educated version of yay.

• 20:08Lex Fridman?

  What'd you learn about life from your dad?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  My dad got girls too.

• 20:13Lex Fridman?

  But those are small details.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  That's a big detail, being that I found my dad's, you know, Playboy when I was five years old. It greatly affected my motivation.

• 20:25Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, oh yeah, so that's part of the engine that drives yay.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I remember when Pharrell was first in all the videos. And my girl was like, uh, girls like Pharrell. And I was like, I want girls to like me too.

• 20:39Lex Fridman?

  Funny that that's behind all the ambition, all the drive.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  It's how we make people. It's how people are made.

• 20:48Lex Fridman?

  It's the desire to be loved.

• 20:51Lex Fridman?

  Is that at the individual level, just being noticed and also at the societal level of scale?

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Well, now, I've, I've gone past, I'm like at that place where Nikola Tesla was, uh, later into his career, where it wasn't about being loved, it wasn't about sitting at the dinner parties next to Anna Wintour and stuff. It was about getting the idea across. So I have these cells

• 21:25Speaker 01

  that are very, and I just keep on saying Ridley Scott, but Ridley Scott has a special anointing. It isn't just sci-fi what he's doing. There's something in there, just like George Lucas.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  There's something different that's there.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  So.

• 21:46Lex Fridman?

  What are you drawing?

• 21:48Speaker 01

  I'm drawing these new living cells that we will exist in. And this is over, okay, let's do like.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  I don't like talking about money because like man made money anyways like four quadrillion respected dollars and then you have other forms of currency. Of course, social currency is super important right now, but this is a drawing and it's at a pretty good place now. This be 40,000 square feet. I want to start just talking in meters. I just think we should go to anything to restore the Tower of Basil like they said when the, I'm just draw a person here for scale. Yeah, that would help. Okay. What do you think of that? Look at my person, see the scale in this room?

• 22:45Speaker 01

  All right, so. Wait, the dot is the person? Yeah. I'm saying it's 40,000 square feet, but that would be like. What are the other parts of the cell? Okay, so it's a screen. It doesn't go all the way to the top and it's one hole for light, but the water and the light and air all come in from the top. So that's like, like the mouth and then this is the belly button. We're God's iPhone. We're his greatest creation. So this is all connected? These are all connected? Yeah, so I'm drawing how these other cells go next to each other. What's the vision here? Happiness. Do we talk about like, what's the motivation?

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Like, yeah, there's a motivation somewhere in the back of my mind of my family. And if it's like where Moses smite the rock and God didn't allow him to get to the promised land, because the promised land is family. That is the promise. That is earth. I mean, that is heaven or earth is family. Family is heaven. That's the promised land. And for your family to be together. So say I smite the rock and God doesn't let me have my family back. My mission in life is still to.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Promote families at all costs and make families' existence easier. So you take this thing, you put localized, a localized farm, say if it's in a community, that we do localized growing and then we partner with Big Pharma and say, hey, you're actually going to make more money by making better food. Because at the end of the day, you want money right now. It's like everyone knows that between the pesticides and between the medical industry, and especially in America, that we're keeping people sick. And we know that McDonald's makes food that kills people and Coca-Cola's selling sugar water and all this, like, just in case I haven't pissed off enough people in power.

• 24:53Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 24:54Lex Fridman?

  You're gonna piss off the sugar, anybody that's powered on sugar.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Sugar, well, Sugar, What's the Health was actually a documentary on sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was. It was like a reverse documentary on sugar. A revert, I don't know if you call it a revert, like a sub, but if you watch it again, when they show sugar in it, it's just, the sugar looks super clean.

• 25:19Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  So as I state, as I state these things, I know that, I know I have protection. If I have God's protection, that's why I'm here to this date, right? So it, it's for me to have this platform and express exactly what I feel because it's kids out there, right, that, it's kids that are gonna save the world through engineering and through facts. And I've gotta get, download as much of the information and as much of the, don't be afraid to state your facts is the biggest thing because the world is being ran by fear. And that is, no, actually, God runs the world, but there's just like little cloud, this patina

• 26:04Speaker 01

  of our ego that deals with the money and the car and the girl we're dating and all this and the clothes you wear and spending too much on clothes and a lot of stuff that I've been involved with promoting. So now what I'm promoting is you have the idea, you say it out loud, like if you had Tourette's, say your truth out loud. If you hate, yay, you hate me, say that out loud, say whatever you feel. Out loud, like you say it nonviolently, you know, nonviolent. Nonviolent, I have to say that like as, you know, you know, as a shout out to Alex Jones, you know, and Trump where they try to say that when they say their truths out loud, that it's inciting violence. So let's be like really clear.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  I'm saying that they have criminalized free thought. The, you know, they, I hate when people use they like they gets the blame for everything. Right. It's always they.

• 26:56Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Who the, who the fuck is they? Exactly.

• 26:59Lex Fridman?

  The problem is they is us.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I love that. What we need to do is turn I to we. So we take the responsibility and turn they to us. So we take accountability to us. They, I to we and they to us. And that relates, it's a language at the same time. You're seeing the language of our surroundings. You're seeing the language of, I mean, one of the things, okay, let's go back to the cell explanation because I'm also doing a, what's that thing when Elon just put all the information in the open and people could figure out, they could figure it out and open source?

• 27:39Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, open source.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  So I'm open sourcing this idea right now so that, you know, engineers and anointed people, beings, anointed beings can collectively contribute to this, to push our species forward. So where I've got to with my research is that there will be a hole at the top that allows natural light, natural air, and there's a constant water system. So it becomes like a water city where it's a constant flow. That's not, it's, it's regenerative, it's not wasting the water and it's just a constant flow.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  So I put the toilet really close to where this, this, um, I don't want to call it a wave pool, but in the pool, the water is not still.

• 28:31Lex Fridman?

  So that exists in, in water, surrounded by water?

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Well, the living room is, you have two rooms. You have the dry room, which people would call the living room before. And then you have the wet room.

• 28:46Lex Fridman?

  How is that a source of happiness? What is broken about our world today that that gives you in terms of the pursuit of happiness, which is one of the things-

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Well, all of our buildings-

• 28:57Lex Fridman?

  In the previous declaration of-

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, all of our buildings are based on just the industry and the economy. And then people lean into what people are used to seeing. Like, what we think is attractive, because then you go back to the, you know, women who give life. So, everyone wants to be attractive to the attractive. And that's the reason why the media goes and gets, you know, Bella Hadid, Kim Kardashian, Emily Radikowski.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Those are the only ones I'm gonna-

• 29:45Lex Fridman?

  There's more?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  There's more, but I'm thinking of the ones that I think are attractive.

• 29:49Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, it is subjective.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's subjective. So, to my subjective, which I think, I think the only guys that could argue with me on my opinion on girls would be Brad and Leo. Because we're the only ones with the track record, you know? Everything else, so if everybody else is subjective, we've got history, so-

• 30:13Lex Fridman?

  Are you, are you, are you happy?

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Absolutely, I'm just here. It's actually- It's difficult to make me unhappy. Now, I could deal with frustrations. But when those frustrations are, it's like, when you've allowed people to be in your life that shouldn't be there, and then they do the thing you knew they were gonna do, and you're screaming at them, but you really need to scream at yourself.

• 30:48Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, so you realize anything that's like anger or frustration, that's something that's wrong with you that needs to be dealt with?

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yes, like right now, okay, say I got this pattern cutter that I wanted

• 31:04Speaker 01

  to remove because I felt like she was copying our patterns into the computer. And I didn't know why she wanted to do that. And I just wanted to do the patterns by hand. And then, you know.

• 31:16Lex Fridman?

  You mean like automating the patterns?

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And my head of it, because they just, that's the whole thing. It's like,

• 31:24Speaker 01

  it's a war of, it's a war of human beings and robots.

• 31:27Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but that makes it more efficient, right? You don't like the efficiency. You like the creativity of the singular nature of the pattern.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I believe that the human beings, and I'm saying this to you as a person who makes robots and a person who is friends with Elon.

• 31:40Lex Fridman?

  I'm deeply offended right now.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:42Lex Fridman?

  But I'll, you know, I'll let it go.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Okay. So, yeah, I believe that the.

• 31:46Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, he hates robots.

• 31:49Lex Fridman?

  I'm not, I'm not gonna put that out. It's a joke.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Robots have feelings too.

• 31:52Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, yeah, that's right.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  That was also a joke.

• 31:55Lex Fridman?

  Was it? We need to clarify that for future robots. But the pattern cutter, the pattern cutter, you don't like that. That had to be that, that's, you can't have that part of your life.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  That's not what I'm, I'm, my, everything that I'm doing is for

• 32:17Speaker 01

  the sake of the human race. There's things in capitalism, there's things in technology. Well, tech, technology and original human species can exist in a peaceful way.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  As long as the people that know how to make robots aren't using their robots to control the humans. Lex?

• 32:47Lex Fridman?

  Definitely something you have to be concerned about as we've become more technologically savvy. That, my friend, is why engineering isn't everything. That you have to desperately study the lessons of history. In Nazi Germany, science was used to create atrocities. Engineering, the same. Engineering could be a tool of war.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  We are still in the Holocaust. A friend, a Jewish friend of mine said,

• 33:19Speaker 01

  "Come, go visit the Holocaust museum." And my response was, "Let's visit our Holocaust museum, Planned Parenthood."

• 33:26Lex Fridman?

  With all due respect, I grew up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish.

• 33:34Lex Fridman?

  Parts of my family perished in the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. I have to push back that there is a difference of the atrocities at that scale, at that time, on an entire people.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  I was gonna say the number, that's the difference.

• 33:51Lex Fridman?

  It's not the number.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Because 6 million. Well, also, African Americans are actually Jew also. The lost tribe of Israel.

• 34:00Lex Fridman?

  I can push back on that, too.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Okay, so, well, everyone came from Africa.

• 34:04Lex Fridman?

  I am African. I'm basically African American. We're brothers.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  And we're both Jew. And we're brothers. So.

• 34:11Lex Fridman?

  We're human.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  6 million people died in the Holocaust. Over 20 million have died by the hands of abortion. And the media promotes the "my body, my choice", which is actually still a promotion for Planned Parenthood. 50% of black deaths a year is actually abortion. It's not, it's not the cop with the knee. It's not black-on-black violence and gang violence. It's not heart attacks. It's actually abortion. The most dangerous place for a black person in America is in their mother's stomach.

• 34:48Lex Fridman?

  900 to a million abortions in the United States a year? I hear you. But there's something about the rape, the torture, the murder of children, women, men, the complete humiliation and just the suffering that was endured during World War II.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  That's what we deal with on our TVs right now with black people. Soros would use black trauma economy for, to win an election. What I love is having a healthy conversation. And as opposed to, there's certain things, you know, boom, this drops, people are gonna have pussy hats on. Boom, this drops, it's gonna be, you know, black people and white people with signs. Boom, this drops. So, hey, China, hey, left agenda, hey, what we're gonna do is say that our species can have a healthy conversation. Do you, it's-

• 35:45Lex Fridman?

  Can I just linger on this? Because when you say Jewish media, it, there's a echo of a pain that people feel that reminds-

• 35:54Speaker 01

  You're saying it's redundant, right?

• 35:56Lex Fridman?

  No, I'm not saying it's redundant.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  I'm saying- I'm saying it's redundant.

• 36:00Lex Fridman?

  You're saying it's redundant.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  It's a redundant thing.

• 36:02Lex Fridman?

  I'm saying it's something that Joe, I'm saying that it's something that Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister of Nazi Germany, said. I'm saying it's been said so many times in order to murder and torture Jewish people that it just rings wrong.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  And that's the thing-

• 36:22Lex Fridman?

  Just like the N-word when spoken by people that have the same skin color as me. It reminds people of a very dark time.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  I know. If Jewish people would accept that I'm Jew, then they would see what I'm saying in a different way. They would hear it in a different way.

• 36:39Lex Fridman?

  But see, the people, you saying you're Jewish, that-

• 36:42Speaker 01

  No, I'm Jew, not Jew-ish. Jew-ish means like that of a Jew. I'm saying I'm Jew.

• 36:46Lex Fridman?

  You're a Jew.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Blood of Christ.

• 36:48Lex Fridman?

  That comes from-

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Or the Orthodox Christian.

• 36:50Lex Fridman?

  Right. But that, are you-

• 36:55Lex Fridman?

  Are you a follower of the philosophy of the black Hebrew Israelites? Because that's where the idea comes from. Not all of those folks are extremists, but some are extremists.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  I'm a follower of the idea. I have a vague idea that all people came from Africa. But what I wanted to do.

• 37:18Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Now, OK. Now, I could Andy Kaufman this about seven more minutes.

• 37:24Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  And then tell you what it is.

• 37:26Lex Fridman?

  Should I count? Let's count, seven minutes.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:29Lex Fridman?

  Do less.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  I did this to do a spoiler alert.

• 37:32Lex Fridman?

  Sure, spoiler.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  What's the first thing I said at the beginning?

• 37:37Lex Fridman?

  We're talking about engineering and humans.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  And I said, and then what did I say we shouldn't focus on?

• 37:43Lex Fridman?

  Race.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Not just that.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  I said, they shouldn't teach this in school.

• 37:48Lex Fridman?

  History.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  The history, because what they do, what schools are doing is exactly what the CIA does with Pixar films and Disney films. They make Bambi's mom die in the beginning, right? And off that pain comes a purchase of ice cream. Off that pain comes, I need some more toys. Off that pain comes, I need a bigger house. Off that pain comes, I need more girls than my wife. Off that pain comes, so they put that pain in to make us. Now, we're the orphans of capitalism, to make us be consumers. And we need to be a community, not just consumers. So I could have went another seven minutes.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  By being a person who presents himself in a way that says, well, I don't have to feel your pain because I also have pain too that's not being recognized. And in every interview, when I say, well, why did I get to the point of putting up the tweet? Uh, no one wants to understand why I got to that point, right?

• 38:52Lex Fridman?

  You had pain, you had pain.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but no one-

• 38:54Lex Fridman?

  Pain in your heart.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  But the, let's say this, undoubtedly Jewish people have a lot of movies about that pain and black people have a lot of movies about the pain of slavery, right? It's almost impossible to find a movie about Mansa Munza. When you go to the African History Museum in Washington DC, it doesn't start with the idea of Africans being kings. It starts with the idea of Africans being slaves. But here's another interesting point about this. This was said to me one time and it's stuck with me as a family member of mine.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  With Africans, how many times you've heard like a rapper, you know, talk about we were kings? That's incorrect if we're Jew. If we're Jew, and since we are, we weren't the kings. We were the slaves that Moses freed. Africans have always said, we've heard, you've listened to rap music and hear black people say, we kings, we blood of the Pharaohs. And if we are Jew, then we weren't. We were the people that Moses freed. And when we talk about, have you heard black people talk about 400 years of slavery?

• 40:21Speaker 01

  All right, that is in rap, and we're having this history lesson, right?

• 40:26Lex Fridman?

  I thought history doesn't matter. You're exploring ancient history and drawing deep wisdom from it. And at the same time, saying we need to forget all of it. We need to put that behind us.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Absolutely. We need to forget it and we need to move forward.

• 40:42Lex Fridman?

  There is so much wisdom to draw from history, even the 20th century. Look at this communism. Without the lessons of history of the 20th century, communism sounds like a great idea, except that some of the worst atrocities conducted by Stalin and Mao that killed-

• 41:04Lex Fridman?

  Fifty, hundred plus million people, not just killed, tortured, starvation, where people, the cannibalism, they ate each other, they ate their children. There's, there's just dark, people, people should read some books on this, on the Hall and Omore in nineteen thirties.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  But I disagree.

• 41:22Lex Fridman?

  With that lesson, we would, and now it's becoming more popular, Marxism and communism.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  I'm not disagreeing that that happened. I'm disagreeing that we need to harp on the things that happened because the truth is, I'm giving a fact, fifty percent today of, let's say, you don't call black people Jew, right? Black people's deaths today is abortion today, right now. Like that, it's not racism, that's too wide of a term. It's genocide and population control that black people are in today in America that is promoted by the music and the media that black people make,

• 42:10Speaker 01

  that Jewish record labels get paid off of, or media companies, uh, record labels and media company also. So let's give it a wider.

• 42:16Lex Fridman?

  You know, I agree with Martin Luther King. I have a dream too.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Martin Luther King?

• 42:23Lex Fridman?

  That one day you would not be judged by the color of your skin or your race, black or Jew, but by the content of your character. All the assholes that fucked you over in the music industry, fuck artists over in the music industry, are individuals, they're not Jews. Can you, can you?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  They are, they are Jewish.

• 42:45Lex Fridman?

  It doesn't, they're human with opportunities and they took those opportunities. I don't care if they're Jewish.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Do you feel like I should release that pain and separate it?

• 42:57Lex Fridman?

  Yes.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Okay, so if that, okay, so if you're saying I should release that pain and separate it, then I'm telling you, you should release your pain and separate it and we could get to this, the list of how you are being with engineering opportunities.

• 43:15Lex Fridman?

  That's 100%. I see what you're doing, that's exactly what you're doing. The pain, I'm gonna let it go. Engineering challenges, I get it. One of the problems you highlight is people get fucked over in the, in the music industry and get fucked over in the media, get fucked over all over the place.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  They created, there was a, there was a Jewish trainer that brought me to the hospital and put in press that I went to the hospital. I got, I know friends that, off of exhaustion, a Jewish doctor, they diagnosed me-

• 43:46Lex Fridman?

  Why do you keep saying Jewish?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Because they were, right? Diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and shot me with medication and put me on medication, then put it in the press and every time, even if I wore the wrong color hat that a nigger is not supposed to wear, right? Then they immediately say, he's off of his shit, he's off his meds, he's off his rocker, and it's literally used as a scarlet letter control mechanism for the, people understand. The kids, the colleges, the high schools, what do you think they put me right now? They put me as the prophet, not the leader. It doesn't have to be the leader, right? Cause we, we need, we need a more intelligent

• 44:31Speaker 01

  person to be the leader, but at least, right? They put me as the prophet, they put me as the only person that would say this, and I'm just saying, that was four Jewish members that controlled my voice because for the fact that 90% of black people in entertainment, from sports to music to acting, are in some way tied into Jewish business people. Meaning that in some way, just like if, if Rahm is sitting next to Obama or Jared's sitting next to Trump, there's a Jewish person right there controlling the, the, the country, the Jewish controlling that who gets the best video or not, controlling what the media says about me.

• 45:16Lex Fridman?

  It's a person, not Jewish. Let me just say one thing-

• 45:19Speaker 01

  But they are though. That's the only thing. It just so happens that they are. It just happens that they are. That doesn't mean that I hate them.

• 45:26Lex Fridman?

  Yes.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  That just means that they are.

• 45:29Lex Fridman?

  But it's a, it's a dog whistle. To, let me, let me just say, as I would love to add more love to the world. I would love you to do that as a person with a big voice, with a big, powerful voice that a lot of people look up to. And when you say Jewish media, it's funny how this world works that way. When you say Jewish media, or Jews are controlling the voice of black artists, black people, black artists. When you say that.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Am I not allowed to say it out loud?

• 45:59Lex Fridman?

  You can say it. There's a large number of people that are hurting and have anger and even have hate in their heart. When they hear, when they hear Jewish media, they start, that hate starts being directed towards the Jewish people. Do you acknowledge that that's, do you understand, can you feel the hate in the world? That's when, that, uh, that comes to the surface when you say stuff like that?

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Okay. I, I feel that when we go into therapy, my dad was a therapist. And obviously I've got some therapy skills myself. A lot of people, my music is healing.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  These type of spa-like existences are healing. The color palette I use are healing. And we can use healing words, right? What I really feel there, I feel that there's no accountability and no responsibility on Jewish people in media to at least start with owning up with the facts of what's dealt with. And tell me, if I say the facts out loud, to, to the point of Ari Emanuel writing a letter in the Financial Times, trying to take food out of my children's mouth, telling people that they're not allowed to work with me. Even Chris Como or Pierce Morgan getting me to apologize and separate.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Jewish business people to, from the families of the Jewish business people, which I did. Update. I did that. That already happened.

• 47:34Lex Fridman?

  That was a shitty apology. That wasn't really an apology. But shout out to that conversation.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  I need to get on my knees and kiss the dick of Howard Stern and.

• 47:45Lex Fridman?

  You don't need to kiss anyone's dick.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  But that's what you guys are acting like.

• 47:49Lex Fridman?

  You guys, look at that.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Because you're talking about it's a shitty opinion, apology. But where's our fucking apology? Watch this.

• 47:58Lex Fridman?

  Sorry.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  We don't get, thank you. Now then, let's move on.

• 48:01Lex Fridman?

  Sorry. Oh, do I need to get on my knees or no?

• 48:05Speaker 01

  And kiss my dick.

• 48:06Lex Fridman?

  Oh shit.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  So.

• 48:08Lex Fridman?

  This escalated quickly.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  So, that's escalated quickly. So, the.

• 48:15Lex Fridman?

  So what?

• 48:16Speaker 01

  No, I'm saying, where's our apology? But right, we can't get to apology because you're telling me there's no right way for me to word it. So tell me, for me, a person who's been fucked on my deals and a person that has friends that never figured out how to make shoes with a German company that couldn't tell me to wear a BLM shirt and take off my red hat. Like, what would have happened if I was at Nike, right?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Tell me exactly how to engineer the situation I'm in.

• 48:50Lex Fridman?

  I'll tell you exactly how. You got a big voice, have the balls as a man to call out the individuals. Don't call them Jews, call them by their name and start a war against those individuals. They're not Jewish.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  But if that's the case, will you help me with that?

• 49:06Lex Fridman?

  Sure. A hundred percent. Assholes are assho- well, let me like flip that too. I don't understand the industry well. I, I see that people are fucking people over for sure. But how do you solve that? If you run, if you right now run the world's, you're doing a million things, but say you ran also a record label.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  I have ran a record la- well, I've been ran by a record label where I was the face of a record label and had Big Sean and different people complaining to me. And I knew fuck about running a record label. I was simply just a talented producer and an influencer.

• 49:40Lex Fridman?

  Yes.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  That then started good music, but I wasn't the one running good music.

• 49:43Lex Fridman?

  How would you do it differently?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  This is something I, I propose. I would look at. The top 10 execs in three fields in sports, uh, film and music. And I would look at the top 10, uh, clients, participant, act, talent. I would look at the top talent in each of those fields, the top 10 of them. And some of them are gonna be Tom Brady, some of them are gonna be Taylor Swift, some of them, they're not all gonna be black, right? Some of, so, uh, some of them would be Adele, right? Uh, and we'll look at all their contracts transparently.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  And we'll compare the notes and re-engineer like it's a new constitution. Because when I told my dad when I was 19, that I was gonna get into the music industry, he begged me not to. He said, I heard it's treacherous. Now I'm in a position where I've been through it, I saw it, I went out, made some money somewhere else. I saw my name get smeared, I saw my family get destroyed, I saw my reputation get destroyed. And I'm back here to have this kinda, I'm back here as a being with engineering opportunities.

• 50:59Lex Fridman?

  So.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  I would say, if you say it's a shitty apology, what is the version, uh, of the apology short of kissing Howard Stern's dick?

• 51:09Lex Fridman?

  I don't think anyone wants to kiss Howard Stern's dick.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  That's the whole point, Howard Stern, nobody wants to kiss your dick, so shut the fuck up. I said, by the way, I antagonized you, Howard Stern. I used to be a fan of you.

• 51:20Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, me too.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:22Lex Fridman?

  I'm still a fan sometimes.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Now, now you're just doing clickbait like everybody else. Now you're just a sad old man, Howard.

• 51:30Lex Fridman?

  All right.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Now, Howard Stern, this is the first time anyone's said your name in years. Your own family doesn't say your name unless they're calling to get their bills paid.

• 51:43Lex Fridman?

  You're going hard. I'm just, see, that's beautiful right there. That's much better than calling Jewish media. Call, go after individuals.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:53Lex Fridman?

  Go after individuals. And if you don't talk shit about me, talk shit about me. This is great.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  And you know what that is?

• 51:58Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, what's that?

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Engineering. That's an engineer's approach. Yeah, engineers. Yeah, yeah. You should learn some of that. We all can use our pain against each other. Yeah. Or we can say we're being with engineering opportunities. And we can know about history. So let me change something. We can have

• 52:21Speaker 01

  a, just to be judgmental, people say thou should not judge. I was talking to Camille Vasquez. She says, I'm very judgmental. That's what we're doing. We, I, I, I believe, now you could go to Bible and one thing's gonna say one thing. Another thing may be contradicted in a way and then the pastor has to unpack it. I believe that we are to judge. If you look at some food and it's got a fly coming out of it, you can then judge at that point. You're supposed to use your better judgment. But whenever someone doesn't want to change something they're doing, they'll say, "Don't judge me," right? But as a species, you call for me, you got the breakthrough.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  And by the way, it's only an engineer that I would respect Yeah. to tell me of how, of how to update how I'm communicating. Because this started off, right? I've been through all these, um, interviews. Let me go to this. You said this was a sorry apology. I was very specific. I said the Jewish, because by the way, it's a barrage, right? It's a thing where I don't even remember the names at a certain point, right? It's like if a, if a girl was getting raped by men,

• 53:38Speaker 01

  if that person's not 18, right? And she was getting raped since 14, right? And she still got this face, this super like Irena Shake level face, right?

• 53:52Speaker 01

  She might say, "I hate men." That woman may say, "I hate men." She might get to that point because she was raped. On my contracts, and no one can say this is ramped up. No one, Howard Stern can't say this is ramped up. Ari Emanuel can't say this is ramped up. George Soros knows damn well that I'm not ramped up. George Soros knows, like, wow, this guy's like a younger guy that's looking at what I did and looking at how I control the world silently. And he's calling it out. And he's not using any of the fear tactics. I can't send his homeboys around him. I can't send his wife to him. This guy, that's what George Soros sees, right? When he's dealing with me, right?

• 54:36Speaker 01

  So what you guys are actually asking me to do, I'm comparing myself to that 18-year-old beautiful woman that had been mistreated by men for four years of her life, right? And you're saying, you know, as a man, you can't blame all men. And I'm saying, as a responsible forward philosopher leader, okay, I'll drop the pain. And I will specify, because I'm up here. I lost my fucking family. I lost my kids. I lost my best friend in fashion. I lost, I lost the black community. I lost, you know, people said I lost my mind.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  All of these things, lost my reputation. And I'm up here just like, I just want my family. But I don't want my family to have to say what the left wants us to say. I, to have to say what China wants us to say. I want to be an American and protect my kids and protect my wife and raise my kids as Christians and have my wife be a Christian and innovate and America made rock and roll. I want to innovate as a creative person and be a successful American. But all of that had been taken away from me. So I'm coming back and I'm removing the PSTD right now, right? I'm standing up and saying, the only way that we're going to be able to get past this

• 56:02Speaker 01

  and the way God is gonna use me right now is for me to stop talking about the pain, stop talking about what happened and do something about it. And that's where I'm at right now in this moment. Like, yeah, people agree. At least there was something where you could say, he has a reason of why he got to that tweet. And what you're doing for me today is saying,

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Yo, uh, that was a sorry apology and let's specify. I'm not asking for anyone out here to empathize or sympathize for a, you know, a dude worth 11 billion dollars that can make money disappear, I mean, uh, appear at a thin air in five different industries, you know? I'm not asking for the, I'm not asking anybody to sympathize with someone who's married to Kim Kardashian, dated Irene Shaker, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I, I feel like I'm just not gonna get the sympathy vote in this situation, right? So.

• 57:02Lex Fridman?

  I feel your pain. I feel your pain, yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like no one's gonna feel my pain. Only, only Brad and Leo can feel my pain, right? So, the, so, uh.

• 57:11Lex Fridman?

  But still.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  But here today, when you said it's a sorry apology, what's the, what's the apology that you're looking for as a, as a Jewish engineer? Oh, no, no, say, as Lex. Let's not talk about you being Jewish. As Lex, what's the apology that you want me to say to? Am I allowed to say Jewish? Tell me, is it anti-Semitic for yay to say Jewish allowed?

• 57:39Lex Fridman?

  No, there's a, I don't like the allowed that presumes censorship. I think you choose, you have a powerful voice.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Did I prove, did I, did I prove that there was censorship over the past two weeks?

• 57:51Lex Fridman?

  Who censored you? Oh, Drink Champs.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Who's, oh my lord.

• 57:57Lex Fridman?

  Oh, like Twitter and so on?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Twitter.

• 57:59Lex Fridman?

  That has less to do.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Drink Champs.

• 58:02Lex Fridman?

  That hurt you, the Drink Champs, uh, that Nora took it down? Took down your conversation?

• 58:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:09Lex Fridman?

  It didn't hurt you?

• 58:12Lex Fridman?

  Man, you gotta be honest about the pain.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  With still the kids we used to be. I put my hand on the stove to see if I still bleed. And nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind free. No, do you think?

• 58:34Speaker 01

  You know, I, I went to Japan for two to three months, right? The day I had Sunday service, my kids are supposed to be there. And my kids were nowhere to be found. And I text Kim and said, where are my kids? We get into an argument. And then I get a text from a number I don't know. And it's Pete Davidson bragging about being in bed with my wife. Then.

• 59:08Lex Fridman?

  Just fucking with you?

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Well, at that point, it's like, they're trying to put me in jail. Or put a friend of mine in jail. Because then I'm gonna go surround the hotel and do all, you know, do something which would have me not be able to be here. And instead, I walked away from that situation. I went to Japan, like the samurai that I am, and went to the top of the mountain. And, because I knew that, I mean, I knew there was no way she could love this dude. Not just because he's ugly, he's not black. She likes black guys. Every guy that she, you know, is with, looks exactly the same. Ray J, Reggie Bush, at that time Kanye West.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  She has a type, just like how I have a type. Like, a lot of my girls look kind of similar to her. Because in a video game character, people have, people have their type, right? So I knew that this was like.

• 1:00:04Lex Fridman?

  The princess has a type and she likes Mario.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Right, there you go.

• 1:00:09Lex Fridman?

  As somebody cares for you, and hopefully can be a friend, yay. I gotta say, these words and the words about Jews is not the words of a samurai. Of a great man. I would say, you know, you said. Something that inspired, that resonated with a lot of people when you said, George Bush doesn't care about black people. I have to say, as somebody who cares for you, that yay, the artist formerly known as Kanye West, doesn't care about Jewish people. In the same way, you spoke about George Bush being a politician and not giving a fuck about the poor people that suffered after Katrina.

• 1:00:54Lex Fridman?

  You're not giving a fuck about the suffering of the Jewish people across the world.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Why, why am I not?

• 1:01:01Lex Fridman?

  Because you're feeding, you're giving strength, motivation to hate groups.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  But we already updated, I gave an apology, you said it wasn't good enough.

• 1:01:09Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  And now you're telling me, no, I'm not gonna.

• 1:01:12Lex Fridman?

  No, no, you don't need to kiss anyone's dick. What you have to do, you have to say what's wrong to say. There's no Jewish media, there's no Jewish.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  There isn't?

• 1:01:21Lex Fridman?

  There's no control of the media by Jewish people.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  You're an engineer, brother. If you're an engineer and you're not holding to the truth, that's not engineering.

• 1:01:29Lex Fridman?

  Engineering is not, that's not, that doesn't, that's hate, that's not engineering. Engineering says, I'm gonna build a better record label.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  It's called stereotypes.

• 1:01:39Lex Fridman?

  And I'm going to respect.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Stereotypes exist for a reason.

• 1:01:41Lex Fridman?

  Engineers don't do stereotypes.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:01:44Lex Fridman?

  Stereotypes are dumb, they allow you to channel hate towards the other.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  You know what the biggest thing is?

• 1:01:49Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  With something, a veteran that was sitting next to me at Cheesecake Factory last night, he said, you know, the general justice, he serves for whoever is the president, right? And he said, what's happening in politics is we're forgetting we're on the same side. We're forgetting we're on the, this is someone is practically, now he's a nurse, so he's still, you know, fighting for humanity in a way. He went from holding, you know, guns in battle to being a nurse and when people are battling for their lives. And he said, we're forgetting we're on the same side.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  This is a person that no matter who becomes president, he can still be told to go to war.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  And the chaos that's created by the media has split the country in half. And what we, what us as beings with an engineer opportunity need to do right now is find the blue water. Where do we, where are places that we agree on? And I want you to finish everything. Hey, I'mma let you finish. Everything that you want to express to me. Get off all, I'm your, I'm your scarecrow today. I'm your, I'm your punching bag today for everything I did. And I want you to stand up for all of the hate that, I'm your Al Gore when he lost the election.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Remember, he almost became a punching bag for the lady that had voted on him. And she just said all this stuff. And he's like, I know, I agree with you, right? But there's nothing, you know, that he could do about it. With this, it's like, things that you're saying, I agree with you. You know, it's like if you sit some kids in the, um, in the principal's office and I punched somebody, right? I took, I took my hand, right, as what it really means. Even Ari Emanuel had to say, this is a pop icon, right? And I went and just punched an entire people at one time, or said that I was about to. I went like this, right?

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  And I get blacked out, black mirrored, done, right? And it's like, what were you even gonna do? And why did you go like this? I went like this because I, I can't even, I would, I would look insane to physically show you a metaphor, a, a, a, a physical representation of my last 20 years.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Of what I've been through as a musician, as a father, and as a black person with a political opinion.

• 1:04:48Lex Fridman?

  A great man, still through the pain, does the right thing. And I think the right thing is to not say that there's Jewish control of the media.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  That's incorrect, though. That's a fucking lie. There is. And they did come and bully me. It proved the point.

• 1:05:03Lex Fridman?

  No, the reason you don't say it is because the world is much bigger than the, forgive me, the narrow little world you exist in. Your impact stretches way past those little boardroom meetings over contracts.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  So what should I have done? What should I have done?

• 1:05:20Lex Fridman?

  Not say that you should be a strong man that doesn't mention, that doesn't mention religion or people and then fight. Do you want to win this fight?

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  How do I win? How do we win?

• 1:05:29Lex Fridman?

  Call out individual people, build, that's one way because they have a big voice. The other voice that I prefer is to build another label.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  I feel, I feel like you're controlling, you're controlling my creative narrative and my, because just like how you're telling me I shouldn't have said that, do you think there are people telling me I shouldn't have wore a red hat?

• 1:05:50Lex Fridman?

  No, you, because you asked me, what should I have done? You're supposed to be a scarecrow, so I thought I'm going to beat the shit out of the scarecrow with my words, right? You let me. It was consensual.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  The punching bag is a bag because scarecrow actually has a different real meaning.

• 1:06:04Lex Fridman?

  I'm not, that's right.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  I shouldn't say scarecrow.

• 1:06:07Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  But every single person that I've sat with, from the point when I wore the red hat till now, has done the same thing. Sit in the principal's office and don't do what you're doing.

• 1:06:19Lex Fridman?

  We're in the generous closet right now together. And I'm not, the red hat is very different. The red hat is a, you have a set of beliefs. You represent half the country that has a, a, a hope, a vision for the future of America. That's very different than, without any purpose whatsoever, saying Jewish media. Jewish control of the media.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  You said that there's no purpose, so you're taking away my history and my reason of what my purpose was.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I'm saying it was dumb. Also, also, also. I'm speaking my voice, vocalizing. Also. Yeah. It's God's plan. There's a lot of things that open up. Let me tell you something that opened up. There's a guy, like I told you, that was running STEM Player, who I've had issues with. We hadn't got paid on time, certain things, right? And he took his, his IQ, his know-how, his engineering know-how to, he basically was trying to Adidas me with, even though I was the bigger money in the situation. That was fun and we funded together. And he hired these engineers and he said, well, because of your comments, we're not going to be able to hire anybody else. And I was like, well, how many Jewish people do we have in our company?

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  He said, I don't know. He didn't say exactly, right? I said, do we have black people? He said, yes. I said, how many? He said, two. So we have like 60 full-time employees, like 40 half-time and part-time. And I,

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  I took as a responsibility, let's, let's, let's, let's take a step back from the, of us being one species and say, hey, you're Jewish, I'm black, right? Why step back? For this example, for the sake of this example. And I said, wow, I'm sure I could hire more than two black engineers. And what happens is because there are so many businessmen that just so happen to be Jewish, that it's good business, right? Just to monopolize. That's what people are looking. Everybody wants to be Elon, right? So, uh, the. I disagree with that. Okay, but let me finish this point. I'm gonna let you finish.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  A lot of, a lot of, a lot of businessmen want to be as successful as Elon and as popular as Elon. A lot. I could just word it like that, which I hate the term a lot, actually. I want to be more specific, but I don't, I haven't done the math on it. Let's say some factually, for sure, there are some business people of all different walks and backgrounds that would like to be as rich and as popular as Elon Musk. So let me just take a step back from the we're one species into the, we're separated by race, gender, socioeconomic class conversation and say, as a black owner of two tech platforms, hardware and software, I need to take. Action, let's not call it affirmative.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Let's just say I need to take action and I need to take accountability in ensuring that black engineers are hired. And guess what? Hired together. Because when the black people that are brilliant are separated from our culture, we forget who we are. And we'll get to a point where, you know, OJ will say, I'm not black, I'm OJ. Because just to be on the golf course, we put on the golf shirt. But the golf shirt might not be something that our culture would have done.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  And now our culture in poorer communities is, oh, everybody's got Draco on them. Everybody's got a gun on them. Oh, if you run up on me on the gas station, I'm gonna kill you. Hey, you ain't gotta talk to me like a man if I haven't killed at least five people. But you know what happens is, we can kill five people, we could kill 10 people and still be in the media as long as we play by the rules, right? Because what will happen is, any of these guys that have talked about killing people and different things, unless Trump had pardoned them, right? But let's say, even if Trump had pardoned them, they could still go to someone like a Lil Boosie, or Meek Mill's, or Puff Daddy, anybody, and say, hey, we need you to talk

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  shit about yay right now. And also, you're not allowed, if you do want to vote for Trump or vote outside of what this arrangement is, then we're gonna put you in jail. It ain't, we're not gonna bring you down. We have this on you. You get what I'm saying? If I had ever killed someone, if I wasn't the bitch with the pink polo on, I wouldn't be able to be the vocal man that I am today. You understand what I'm saying? This is the reason why I'm happy that my gangster disciple brothers kept me from the initiations, which made me feel like a pussy my whole life, right?

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  But now, I am someone who legally can say this. Other people in my position, they legally cannot speak. They legally cannot speak. Or they will go to prison. I am in a bit of a glass prison because I don't have say so of where my children go to school. But I'm in a freedom place where I can have this conversation with you right now. And that is, I don't like the word breakthrough. You know, that's God's hand on this situation. But you get what I'm saying about if I hadn't said the tweet, I wouldn't have had to take

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  the accountability myself to hire black engineers into my two tech platforms.

• 1:12:11Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, and you get what I'm saying. That's a beautiful personal journey you're on. But you get what I'm saying?

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  It's not personal, it's for my people as a whole. As a tribal person-

• 1:12:20Lex Fridman?

  It's a small company. It's a small company.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  As a tribal person, I believe that I am my people.

• 1:12:28Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  And the thing that businessmen have done to my people have pulled the brightest out of our tribes and siloed them and made us lose our culture and lose who they were. The only thing I wanted to say at Virgil's funeral, which I wasn't allowed to, right? It was a white pastor that talked the majority of the funeral. Half the funeral was pissed, pissed, right? And this pastor actually married me and Kim, right? He looks like Justin Timberlake a little bit. And he talked half the funeral. He knew Virgil was passing, did a collaboration with him before he passed, by the way, right?

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  A clothing collaboration. I didn't know Virgil was passing, but the thing I wanted to say, I saw ASAP Rocky and I saw some other members of his gang, you know, in the audience at the funeral. And all I wanted to tell them is, don't let them split the gang up.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Don't let them split the gang up. When I did the first Yeezy, uh, cause I did Kanye West, two fashion shows before as a high-end luxury, all leather kinda designer, not all leather, but you know, high-end materials, um, mink, this kinda thing. Um, and then I came back with Yeezy, with Adidas. And this fashion show was so popular that Justin Bieber had to sit in the second row, right? This thing had every name you could think of. It had Kim Kardashian, Kris Jenner, Kendall Jenner. It was Kylie's first fashion show. She'd been in. And in the second fashion

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  show, I put Kylie and Bella Hadid next to each other in the fashion show. You had Puff Daddy. At that time, Puff Daddy, uh, had beef with Drake. Drake still came to the show and Jay-Z had to break up the fight backstage. The designers, you had Jerry Lorenzo, that's head of Fear God. You had Kim Schaub, head of Skims. You had Virgil Abloh, head of Louis Vuitton. You had Dimna, head of Balenciaga, all working for Yay, for the leader, for the philosopher, right? For the person that put, "Who put this together? Me, that's who", right? You had these people working for the king of New York, basically the boss, Yay,

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  right? You had, you had Jay-Z in the audience, Rihanna in the audience, um, Beyonce in the audience, sitting next to Anna Wintour in this audience. And guess who heard wind of this? One of the richest men in the world, Bernard Arnault, caught wind of this. What's going on? They're building up something and we need to stop it. So then, he met with me and politely offered me backing for my clothing line.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  It would be Kanye West, they would get forty-nine percent, fifty-one percent, I would get forty-nine percent. They'd have control and they were gonna give me all of the support from Louis Vuitton. Uh, so I had to go to Adidas and I told Adidas, hey, let's indemnify the apparel. Uh, so Adidas, you're not gonna do the apparel anymore. Hey, we had a, we had a good time, but we're gonna run off with Gisele now, right? So the, that's like you told your girl that and shit like, oh, I know we're supposed to, we had the proudest moment of our career and so, so, uh, so then, he offers me the deal and Alexander Arnaud, who's went to gone on and rape and pillage from all of the talent that I had afterwards, said, I say, before I tell Adidas

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  to indemnify the apparel, can I get a written contract from your dad, Bernard Arnaud? And he says, my dad will never go back on his word. You, so you already know where this thing is going, right? Yeah. You can spoiler alert, right? Uh, he went back on his word. So, three months into the deal, I get Anna Wintor. I say, who should I use for my lawyer? She picks my lawyer for me, right? I just found out even a couple of days that the lawyer demanded an airplane during negotiations. Had nothing to do with me, right? They said that Bernard Arnaud got freaked out and then Alexander Arnaud calls me and says, the deal got dropped at the board. I went back and told my high maintenance wife,

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  I was supposed to become this designer at Louis Vuitton or the Louis Vuitton group was gonna back the Kanye West line, cuz that's how good I've done in fashion, babe. And now the deal is dropped. Now the deal is dropped. So then I did a second collection and we didn't have any support to be able to build the collection. Then I went and found, and third collection, we did it. We took over MSG. Fourth collection went and the show started an hour late. Then a week later, Kim got robbed. Then I told Scooter Braun, my manager at that time, I say, I-

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm looking, you know, I need to go to Japan. I'm tired. I'm tired. He says, no, you need to make more money. I do four more shows on a second leg of the tour. And I suffer from exhaustion and go to the hospital and then get diagnosed with a disorder. This is the first time I ever suffered from exhaustion. By the way, I haven't been to the hospital since. I haven't been to the hospital since and haven't taken, you know, medication in two years. And I'm sure there'll be people in the media, we won't say, where phone will say, well, that's obvious. Right? So, uh, so right now I'm talking to you, right?

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  I'm not on medication. I just go to sleep, right? I have sleep.

• 1:18:25Lex Fridman?

  Have you been able to sleep?

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  This, uh, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's too low hanging fruit for you. You're, you're more, you're, I, I expect more.

• 1:18:32Lex Fridman?

  I agree, I agree.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  I expect more.

• 1:18:33Lex Fridman?

  I agree. That was dumb. I regret it.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  That, that, that's like, uh, that's like Pierce Morgan trying to grab ratings. Say like, you got a whole life ahead of you. You got a whole life ahead of you. You got, these guys are at the end of their life.

• 1:18:45Lex Fridman?

  Oh, good, good, good.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  So, so this story is-

• 1:18:48Lex Fridman?

  Call me out on my shit. I love it.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  But then amidst that, the same guy that dropped my deal, Bernard, I know, goes and hires my best friend. Goes and hires my main engineer, right? It would have been like them hiring, you know, Elon from Peter before they figured out Paul, before they figured out PayPal. But it, it all, Paul, it sounds like, uh, it all, Paul sounds like Paul. I just say it because I'm a Christian. I thought it was cool. But it would have been like, what if someone could have went in and took Elon away from Peter before they paid Paul? Before they, I just, because they PayPal.

• 1:19:28Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, before they paid Paul.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Before they, it's just too close.

• 1:19:31Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, too close.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  It just sounds so fresh, the fact that it's so close, right? And that's, that's what happened, right? They broke the gang up. And I'm telling you right now, that hadn't happened, Virgil's alive, I'm still married. You know what I'm saying? The power structure was broken then, right? Because we were building some, Kylie wasn't a billionaire, that, you know what I mean? We were building something together that a French colonizer came in.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  And caught it early and tried to destroy it. But the only thing is God is alive and I'm anointed. And even with those drawbacks, losing my wife, losing my friend, exhaustion, all of these late night tweets that piss off an entire group, you know, like this, the frustration still there. We work, I work for God and God runs the world and we'll see what, we'll see what happens.

• 1:20:30Lex Fridman?

  But in those words, don't you feel that being split up, don't you feel you're doing the thing that you stand against, which is playing victim? Aren't you playing victim to the forces in the world?

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  I didn't play victim. I didn't even get a chance to play. I just said I was about to. I said like this, like.

• 1:20:50Lex Fridman?

  No, you played pretty damn well. What do you mean? What do you, what do you mean about to? You're like one of the greatest designers in history, fashion designers. You're playing. You are playing. What does that even mean?

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  I thought you were referring to the tweet. Playing victim there.

• 1:21:06Lex Fridman?

  Well, there's a full set of things that you're under attack for. The tweet and everything beyond that. But like you're, you're blaming, not blaming, but you're saying that the Jewish media, the Jewish record label, the Jewish people, forget Jewish or not, it doesn't matter, is playing victim, right?

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  Ultimately, I am fighting a battle in the spiritual form. And anyone that believes in God and is looking at this interview would agree with that. And I just so happen to be a bright part of God's army. I'm fighting for us to live. The greatest gift is life itself. I am pro-life. I am pro-God. I believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died for our sins.

• 1:22:03Lex Fridman?

  What do you feel about another attack? Another painful thing, I imagine, super painful is Balenciaga pulling.

• 1:22:15Lex Fridman?

  You had a really close relationship and friendship with their creative director. Like, how do you feel about all of it?

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  I told you, I sang the song. I sing another song from one of my mentor's Future. I never felt pain. I didn't felt too much pain. Like, there was a day where I was headed to Nashville to meet with George Farmer, who is the CEO of Parla, the day when we made the announcement. At that same day, Balenciaga was taking my imagery off of their site. And The Drink Champs was being taken down. And I said, this is the happiest day of my life. I love cutting the grass low.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  People wasn't really with you, they was part-time. People switch up when it's wartime. I'd rather have people who are really with me and not people who are just trying to use me.

• 1:23:17Lex Fridman?

  Listen, as a friend, if somebody cares for you, you have to be really careful by the people, by all people, always. The people that are gonna be, try to be close to you now, you don't know if you can trust them anymore than-

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Even more. With the Balenciaga, I have more to say about it, though.

• 1:23:34Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  Let's do this. Demna will still work

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  for yay someday. And this is just speeding the process up.

• 1:23:46Lex Fridman?

  Have you talked? Can you share if you've talked?

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Yes, I talked to Demna. This is like, we're Kendrick spirits. None of this can keep us away from each other. I brought Demna to Gap to be able to bring the best product in the world. At that time, I wanted to go under a hundred dollars. Now I'm like, okay, we're gonna go twenty dollars a product. I brought Demna in

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  to engineer. That's why I said engineer by Balenciaga, Yeezy Gap engineer by Balenciaga. To engineer the best product for the people. The people that-

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  That they say are at the bottom of the Maslow hierarchy and need chart. They're at the bottom of the pyramid, right? So Gap didn't want that. Balenciaga didn't want that.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Our agendas were not aligned. I was brought in to the Gap for political reasons and influence, like a Virgil, like a George Floyd. When popular celebrities are brought into Fortune 500 companies, it's not to raise the stock. It's to strengthen the position and influence.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  And it's definitely not to be out here letting a nigga think he's Steve Jobs.

• 1:25:12Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, there's people like that.

• 1:25:15Lex Fridman?

  But you, as a great man and visionary, your job is to understand that game and be one step ahead.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I'm telling them. That relationship, you know, some relationships only last for a summer.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  You know, some last for a year. The relationship ran its course. You know, in that relationship, I invested a lot of my social capital and actual capital. I spent somewhere between $5 to $10 million personally on Balenciaga. How much money do you think Balenciaga had paid me in the past two years?

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  Just take a really wild guess, a really wild.

• 1:25:58Lex Fridman?

  Less than that?

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Just take a super wild one. Just go to the furthest extent of your imagination.

• 1:26:07Lex Fridman?

  1.2 million.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Lower.

• 1:26:12Lex Fridman?

  500,000.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  Lower. Zero. Zero. All right. And actually, two weeks ago, I paid at a Saints account $862,000. Not in clothes for me, from Balenciaga, from the store, in royalties to Balenciaga where the deal had been engineered, where I was coming out of my pocket. So I paid, last year I paid Demna $3 million to, uh, to design the collection, right? And we got it out of the Gap Marketing Fund. And he was gonna deliver 160 SKUs or 120 SKUs.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  100 SKUs are separate items of clothing, uh, so, uh, styles of clothing. So he ended delivering about 60. I feel like we're on the people's court, because we actually are, right? We're in the court of public opinion. Uh, so he delivered about 60. There were all kinds of people that were working. Part of the reason why I had to get Demna, like, I didn't wanna have to get, I wanted to compete with him. I didn't wanna have to, like, get him. You know, when I made Stronger, I did it to compete with Timberland and, and Justin Timberlake, because my fiance at that time liked Justin Timberlake just a little bit too much. So I made it to compete. And then we had the song out. It's number one on Apple, it's blowing up.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  I play it in a club and it sounds muddy. It doesn't sound the way Sexy Back sounded in the club. So I go to Pharrell Williams to, to do the drums. And it doesn't, it sounds like a different record. And so it can't be a different record, because I'm like, I'm gonna swap it out on radio, right? Then I go to Swiss Beats. It sounds like a different record. I go to Timberland, the person who did Sexy Back. And he did, he did it in five minutes. And then spent the rest of the hour talking about how nobody could've done it except for him, running around the studio.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  "I'm the best, no one could've did it, that's why he had to go to me, had to go to the king." Well, he had a point, right? He had a point, right? So... What makes the song muddy? Is it the beat? It was, it was in the drums. It was something that Timberland had in those drums. Like, now, watch this. I said, I'm going DEFCON 3, right? And the actual, I spelled it wrong. I have a tendency to do that. I'm not quite John Legend, tight sweater level spelling bee level. So I feel a parallel to me going to Timberland to when I said, hey, you as an engineer, I need to work with you as an engineer that is Jewish to look at these contracts and what

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  my people, not just black people, let's say artists, are dealing with in our contracts. These contracts need to be fixed. Everyone could be so mad at the messenger, right? Yay, you said it the wrong way. You're offensive. You're like Hitler now because you said it. You said this out loud, but it does not, you weren't getting enough sleep. All this shit does not negate the fact that we do have Houston, we have a problem.

• 1:29:38Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but we is just the music industry. Like, there's a lot of hate that was created by just saying that, you know?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  But you're saying what is just is everything to me, right?

• 1:29:50Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  One, one person can mean everything to me, right?

• 1:29:53Lex Fridman?

  And for George Bush, winning an election was everything. And then when you said George Bush doesn't care about black people, that you woke him up. You woke the people up to the fact that he was narrowly being selfish. You are, there's a sense to which you're being corrupted by your own greatness, that you're focusing too much on the industry that you've made great, that you've rose to the very top. One of the richest artists in history, one of the greatest designers.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  I'm not, I am the richest artist in history.

• 1:30:25Lex Fridman?

  Probably the richest artist in history.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. They say, the funny thing is they're like, oh, rich is black person, like, oh, also, rich is actor, rich is musician, rich is fashion designer. Like, it's a bunch of riches in that one. You know what I'm saying? It's like richer than Ralph Lauren, like richer than Amani, like richest, like of that, but still low, because where do you put that? You know, like on the totem? Because I don't even want to.

• 1:30:53Lex Fridman?

  Man's bank account isn't everything. I would say you and I are equal in a certain deep sense.

• 1:31:02Lex Fridman?

  No matter what the bank account says.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  Vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. So I wanted to give you some theme music for your moments.

• 1:31:13Lex Fridman?

  It's sounding a little muddy.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Let me give you the Timbaland version.

• 1:31:17Lex Fridman?

  Thank you.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  But, okay.

• 1:31:19Lex Fridman?

  Play that at the club.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  So the other thing about, like, say, like, Balenciaga is

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  Demna will work with Ye someday and

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  for Cedric and for Francois Pinault and Salma is a beautiful human being.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Five years from now, you'll hear and know the name Ye and know things that we did. And Balenciaga is not going to make it on to your questions. Would you, as a gambling man, would you bet on that?

• 1:32:00Lex Fridman?

  I would bet on that. I can see it in your eyes.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  So it was sad. It was actually a sad day for me, not for me, but more for Balenciaga. I just, when I heard that, I was just like, oh, shame.

• 1:32:16Lex Fridman?

  Let me ask you a silly question just about Demna. I read something that you two talked about, like, buttons for a few hours.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  They're my gumdrop buttons?

• 1:32:29Lex Fridman?

  Just an added accent.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  Me and Demna only speak in Shrek.

• 1:32:32Lex Fridman?

  What's your philosophy with which you approach design? You are one of the great fashion designers of our time. How do you think about it? Do you have a philosophy?

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  You know what I like about the zipper is the zipper hoodie replaces the dress shirt. Because you could get on your douchebag shit and, like, unzip it and give it a little bit of, you know, that type of look and...

• 1:32:59Lex Fridman?

  Which is the douchebag?

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  You know, like, when the douchebags that go to Vegas unbutton their dress shirt?

• 1:33:06Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  And the problem with the pullover hoodie is...

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  You can't do the douchebag thing where you unbutton it. But then still get the like, the stomach. Because the thing is, the ultimate look would be like, you know, military tank, pullover hoodie. And if you get a little hot, you take off the hoodie, but you're like crazy in shape.

• 1:33:30Lex Fridman?

  So it gives you that flexibility?

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's giving, the zipper's giving some flexibility. And it's like, maybe you want to keep your jacket on. Like, it's considered like a hoodie to be like a jacket. If you want to keep your jacket on, then you might, you might want to do this. As opposed to pulling it all the way off.

• 1:33:47Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  You know, so, and it's just comfort. But then you get, okay, can I do a jogging pant on this? What elasticity? Now, people argue about climate, where we are with the climate. I take a responsibility as being the most influential designer of all time to, to say we're going to use biodegradable clothing. Now, the issue there is, the elastic is not biodegradable.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  So that means it's actually better to use jeans and a belt than to have an elastic waistband. Because elastic waistband is not biodegradable. So I use the planet as a big, the future of the planet is a big piece of the way I engineer and the way we talk about where designs are going.

• 1:34:55Lex Fridman?

  The constraints on your design and engineering is given by the planet, by the future of the planet.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  That could almost make Jewish people like me again.

• 1:35:08Lex Fridman?

  Every time you say Jewish people, I think I've been maybe reading a little too much about World War II, but man, I'd recommend you listen to some audiobooks or read some books on the Holocaust, because like, it's heavy, it's heavy. It will put into context the impact of your words.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Would you read books on the current Holocaust that black people are in?

• 1:35:35Lex Fridman?

  I mean, I read.

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  What have you read about abortion?

• 1:35:40Lex Fridman?

  I've read a lot of short form writing and I've listened to a lot of debates, because it's really humbling that the question of when does life begin is a really difficult question for me as an engineer and scientist. It's a philosophical question.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  I mean, we could just go on population control, not like if abortion is right or wrong, we could say factually, the clinics were made by eugenics for population control, and it is controlling the population, as is the never being given a 40 acres and a mule, so you don't have the opportunity. And when the people that do have the opportunity are separated from our people, our tribe, and placed in suburban communities next to, as Chris Rock will put it, the dentist, and, you know, whitewashed and made to shut the fuck up and, you know, vote left or whatever, you know, niggers are supposed to do when we make it.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  As opposed to saying, okay, we're building schools, we're building up choirs, we're building up our own leagues, basketball teams, our own factories. We started the first sportswear factory in America since World War II.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Was actually this factor I put in Cody. So, you know, I'm 45 years old. We're on this journey right now. It's the other thing about this is like, people, just in general, they love me so much. I'm like actually a hard guy to really hate for a long period of time. It's just because like, because of like my huge cock and.

• 1:37:27Lex Fridman?

  That's what I noticed. I didn't, I didn't understand why you showed it to me when we first met. But now I understand.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Lex Fridman?

  It's very nice. Congratulations. Uh, I know you don't talk about it, but your hat does say 24.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:40Lex Fridman?

  Um, i- if you run for president, what kind of ideas would you represent?

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  That we're beings with engineering opportunities. I would represent.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  Just as you served a platform here, there's something that happened on my last run that I thought, I feel, I know was brilliant. It was noisy, but it was brilliant. I had one rally and in the rally, I just let people come up and I gave them a platform. It's our responsibility to listen to the pain and hear the pain and understand, even when we're the ones that cause the pain. Like with my tweet, it's my responsibility to hear you and understand why you feel like that.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  But it's our responsibility as a people to understand each other.

• 1:39:05Lex Fridman?

  To give people a voice.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  People need the voice, and even right now, what I'm doing or how God is using me, I'm showing where our voices are being muted. There's professors that are actually intelligent, actually have multiple degrees that have been canceled from their schools. And they don't have a music industry or a fan base or shoe design or a smoking hot ex-wife to complain about. They've just got the truth of what they saw and what they dedicated to this country and to education that has been muted by schools that have been taken over with an agenda.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  And so you're, you want the brightest minds to be these professors, and then you mute them. And they have nowhere to go. And you might get a guy now that went from being someone's favorite professor to he's working at Starbucks like, like he was back at school or like he was back in high school.

• 1:40:13Lex Fridman?

  So even if that voice is about anger and hate, it still deserves to be heard?

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, deserves to be heard. And we deserve to ask why, you know? Like, you have to ask why. I just feel like that's what's, I feel like that is sympathizing, Mr. Huge Cock. I'm just saying that it just needs to be.

• 1:40:37Lex Fridman?

  You should change that to your name on Twitter.

• 1:40:41Lex Fridman?

  While you're still allowed on there.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you think that would get censored? I feel like they, you know, they definitely cut it down some inches. Uh, the, I'm, I'm pointing out this,

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  I'm pointing out this truth. No, I'm serious. This is not a Christian thing, right?

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  You know, I wonder right there, when I say these jokes, is it something that, because I do feel like laughter is the key, engineering and laughter, right, is the key to peace. Like, when I go get my teeth cleaned and I have the nitrous, there's a, there's something that I want to go and hug Christian, or I want to go and hug Corey Gamble, I want to go and hug, you know, Howard Stern, no one wants to hug Howard Stern, but, you know, just if one.

• 1:41:34Lex Fridman?

  No, no, no, no. Let's, I think, I would love to see you two hug it out and make up, even though all this shit talking back and forth.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  What about talking it out, or is he gonna be screaming at me?

• 1:41:46Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, judgmental and that kind of stuff. No, I hope, I hope there's love there.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  You know, the thing is, I think Howard's just jealous. You know, not just, not just jealous of my cock. He's also, um, he's jealous that I started my campaign earlier than him.

• 1:42:08Lex Fridman?

  You gotta let go of that jealousy.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  You gotta let go of that jealousy, Howard.

• 1:42:13Lex Fridman?

  Howard and everybody else. Jealousy is a natural, human thing, man.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  I wonder, just as a Christian, right, when I joke and say this stuff, I, it's like, hmm, am I being disobedient to God? Because as a boss, right, I'll talk to,

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  and an employee, and I'll be like, why didn't you just listen? Because I've got the bigger plan, right? So, it's like, me talking to God, were there things that I did in this interview that were disobedient to God? And, and for those things, I pray and I repent for anything that I've said that was disobedient to God.

• 1:42:57Lex Fridman?

  But humor is not one of them. Joking, I feel like humor is the way we avoid so much suffering in the world. It's the way to, it's like a catalyst for love. Like, it's a way to, people that have gone through some of the darkest trauma that I've ever met, through war, I just came back from Ukraine. They're laughing. They're, they're making jokes. That's the best way to deal with dark times. I don't know what it is about like humans. I, I feel like humor. That's the best way to socially engineer a good future. I think is humor, not taking shit too seriously. That's the problem with censorship. One of the things I really suffer is humor jokes. Maybe going too far in the jokes. You mentioned Anthony Jeselnik.

• 1:43:41Lex Fridman?

  That guy goes hard. That guy goes really hard and it's great. He crosses all, he crosses all the lines and he's, that's why he's a genius. And that's what people feels refreshing when he does it. I don't know what it is.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  But then it's like hurtful when I do it. But I'll tell you something that was interesting. I'm pretty sure Anthony doesn't like, sorry for this assumption, but just most comedians I know didn't vote for Trump.

• 1:44:10Lex Fridman?

  That's interesting.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Not saying there aren't comedians that did, but just the ones I know, cause I live in California, right?

• 1:44:16Lex Fridman?

  But they have an appreciation for Trump because of the sense of humor.

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:20Lex Fridman?

  I gotta ask you about parlor and engineering, cause I'm interested about that.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  Dum, dum, dum, dum.

• 1:44:26Lex Fridman?

  Hey, man, I'm actually trying to hold it together. You're pretty, you're pretty offensive towards, towards a lot and.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  I'm not looking to be offensive. I really want to bring people together and get these sales done.

• 1:44:37Lex Fridman?

  But the work, I a hundred percent, I see your vision.

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  How do we do that?

• 1:44:40Lex Fridman?

  But somebody who care, well, not, don't say Jewish media and Jewish, Jewish controlled media.

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  JM.

• 1:44:50Lex Fridman?

  Like, man, you sound, you sound like, it, it sounds too much like 1930s Nazi Germany. That was leading up to the atrocities.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Oh, he would say JM?

• 1:45:03Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, he was branded JM, that's right. No, it's just the, the implied, like this, um, memified.

• 1:45:16Lex Fridman?

  Prejudice towards a group in a way that's going to lead to hate. And I know you don't mean that. I know, I know you have love in your heart.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  You know, was the prejudice towards a group that led to hate? BLM. BLM took a black person, showed his death on camera. Because, okay, there are examples of us being killed and being killed on camera. But if it was spread on camera, it was done on purpose by the media. Because

• 1:45:54Speaker 01

  14, 20 kids get killed in Chicago every week. And it's not spread that much. They, like you said, singled out a person, directed everything on that person, right, as the martyr? And raised the people that hadn't had any, we didn't have our 40 acres and a mule. We didn't have, you know, like a lot of things, right? Like that black people have not ever been given. So once we're given just a little bit, like, your life matters, right? Then we literally like, oh, okay, now we're being heard. Right? But actually, the death toll is up.

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  The city where this happened is completely been turned to a war zone. They actually, it's actually something like Candace Owens can actually specify this better. But it's like its own city or something like they, they made it not be a part of the actual state or something. It's like, like DC and stuff. It's like, it's like Washington DC now and stuff like, and that has to be from a government.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  You know, that's got

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  higher level agenda written all over it.

• 1:47:12Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, they're using the death of an individual. Yeah. Sure, the media are. Not the Jewish media, the media. And that's the media is fucked up. That machine.

• 1:47:24Lex Fridman?

  Does takes whatever tragedy and pushes it towards whatever narrative that gets more clicks and views and so on. Sure. And then politicians do the same. They use the media, they influence the media to tell a story. And

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  I, this is a simple thing I'll put. I believe that

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  the idea of antisemitism and the, the closeness of, uh, the Holocaust is used by certain individuals in media to not take accountability for the bad things that, that are happening. And what's happening is there's a new frontier, right? Meaning like, it used to be okay for somebody to be a billionaire. We thought about a billionaire, right? A lot of times you think I'm actually kind of being out of shape and, you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, like, oh, NASA's

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  or something like, you thought about it differently. Now you think about it, but you think about Elon, think Kim, think yay, you think it's a new kind of billionaire. You know, it's not just Soros is a billionaire. It's a new form of billionaire. Well, right now, what I'm calling for the industry is I'm, I'm calling, I'm calling the industry out and saying like, hey, it just so happens that there's been times where I had, my lawyer was Jewish, my regulator was Jewish, but like, like eight people that basically would collude and talk without me were in groups saying, okay, this is what the tour is going to be. This is his next house. And they were making all these decisions and they're making all this money. And at the end, I was like, I ended my tour and I don't have the money. And it

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  just so happens that that's the case that what they were. But what I'm saying is, if everyone can say, hey, you can't point out this fact, or we're going to say you're antisemitic and we're going to call you Hitler. I feel that there has to be at least 1% of safeguarding the ability to screw the artist based on saying it's antisemitic by pointing out that they just so happen to all be Jewish.

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  And I don't think that's antisemitism. I just think that's, hey, this is another thing. Like, OK, the Kardashians, when you hear that, do you think male or do you think female? You think female. You get what I'm saying? You think, this is the realities. This is why rap works, right? They're gonna make an anti-women thing in a second, right? And it's gonna say, well, if you point out that these five women, six women, are having a meeting on where the Christmas party is, and none of the ballplayers or rappers that they have babies with have any say so, so that Christmas happened at Courtney's house all eight years when I was there, and it never happened at anyone else's black family house, right?

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  If I'm the one that pointed it out, they just don't have, they don't have their, oh, you're antisemitic, word to say, shut the fuck up.

• 1:50:37Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but-

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  Because this is the way it runs, and this is the way we want to do it.

• 1:50:39Lex Fridman?

  If you say that though, that women are silencing the black voice, yes, you're gonna get the same response, but especially if it historically resonates-

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  But what about the fact that it's true?

• 1:50:54Lex Fridman?

  When you talk in groups, that breeds hate. When you talk about individuals, it solves problems. You're an engineering-

• 1:51:04Speaker 01

  OK, but this is something I pointed out on Pierce. I said, if a black person gets pulled over with a car, and it's three other people in the car, they're also going to jail. They're not going to single them out. They're gonna say, you guys are all in collusion. I just described collusion five times in this interview. And you keep on going back to, this is like 1930. This is like this, this is like that. What I'm saying is, look, I want to work with you as an engineer to free my people. Can we start as a being with engineer opportunities right here? I, I am sorry to the people who had to be hurt

• 1:51:49Speaker 01

  and affected by that. Now, we- Are here and I'm looking to solve it. But what happens is every time if I talk to any of these business people one by one, because mind you, I didn't get to the tweet by not having a conversation. I had the conversations beforehand before I got to the tweet. Now, we gonna take it to the stage. Now, we on the world stage, right? And you saw Ari Emanuel do exactly the kind of thing that I was saying had been done behind closed doors. Now, he's doing it in open doors. They told Candace Owens, I couldn't be on the Daily Wire. Like, you can't even explain yourself.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  And we don't care how you got to that point either. And that's fucked up.

• 1:52:37Lex Fridman?

  They told Candace you can't be on Daily Wire?

• 1:52:39Speaker 01

  It's not even about, yes, she did. That's what they said. And you know what? And you can have my voice raised or lower. I'm gonna do it lower, right? Because what's happening to me by, I put in your words, the media is saying, not only can you not explain yourself, we don't care how you got to that point. You need to apologize and you can't explain. And that's the end of the story. So just apologize so we can have Mel Gibson do some more films. Is exactly what Ari Emanuel was saying. No one is looking to change the problem that led so many people to that same level of frustration. And I just so happen to be the one that's not gonna back up on it. Until this changes.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Because you know what? I'm sorry I had a sleepy text. I'm sorry I was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I put, that I was 5'12" or 5'11" on Tinder. Okay? My cock is not 14 inches. I lied, okay? It's only 13. So, I'm sorry, right? So, the...

• 1:53:48Lex Fridman?

  Why he's dropping so many facts today?

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  So what I'm saying is, but where do we get to this? Cause even you, as engineering, as intelligent as you are, you, just like everyone else that I was saying was colluding, won't let us get to the point of fixing it.

• 1:54:04Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but I'm not, I think you're more powerful than the media. I'm not saying you need to apologize because the media. I'm saying, everything we've been talking about, just because I care for you and I want you to be the best possible man you can be. To me, a definition of a great man, I'm with Martin Luther King on this. You don't talk about Jews or, or black people. You talk about engineering, you talk about humanity, you solve problems. You identify the problems in the world and you don't come from a place of resentment. This group did this, this, fuck all that. That is in the past. You just build solutions. I'm going to create a new record label. I'm going to create a new design firm. I'm going to create a new social network. I'm going to do it better. I'm going to do it right. I'm going to do it right by the people that I know don't have a voice.

• 1:54:47Lex Fridman?

  I'm going to give them a voice and talk about that.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  Is it okay to call out collusion? Do people collude in your business, under you? Like the engineers that come together and like say, they collude against the bosses, right? You know why Bernard Arnault offered the deal and took it away from me? Collusion.

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  Because I was too powerful with the collective that I had right there. He had to stop that at all costs. They said, for whatever reason, this kid, yay, it has the ability to have all of the Kardashians, Jay-Z and Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Demna, Virgil, all these people in the same room, working towards a same goal. I've been that person since preschool. That's called a leader, right? And right now, what I'm saying is,

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  hey, for the people in business, whatever their background is, whether they turn their, whether they turn their cell phones off on Friday or not,

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  there's been some bad business done, there's some bad business practices, and we have to change that because this game is like boxing. More people end up retarded than rich. And I'm saying like beat to a pope, driven crazy, beat by the media to a pope. Right now, the media has done everything they could to make me apologize and to make me look crazy. And that one person has done anything to find out why I was frustrated enough to do that tweet. And that's facts and that's fucked up.

• 1:56:16Lex Fridman?

  Well, I was hoping to, I am finding out, we found out, I mean, but like I want solutions. Like, see, there's something about human nature where if you focus too much on resentment.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  We're not focusing on anymore. Fuck the resentment. We're moving forward.

• 1:56:29Lex Fridman?

  Right. So there's two things I think that are required for, I mean, this is how I've lived my life for great engineering. You surround yourself in your personal life by people you trust. And then in your professional life, from the engineering perspective, with a team, with an incredible team. And everything else doesn't matter. That allows you not to focus on other groups, how they're fucking you over, how they're like trying to manipulate or collude and all that kind of stuff. You focus on solutions and you find a way around all the difficult shit. That's it. If you have people in your life you can trust. That's like lifelong. You said like some people you're with for the summer, for a year.

• 1:57:11Lex Fridman?

  Find people you can be with for your whole life. Do you have people in your life that you trust, like really trust?

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  No, I trust God.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  At any point, a human being can, like, I could like, if I like go and like,

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  really, you know, treat this guy like a piece of shit or do this, that, and that. Am I supposed to, you know, trust him to be loyal and stay in the situation? No, I trust people to be people and people are flawed. And people can have the right intentions, but it only makes sense for us to work together when our agendas align. When Kim was pulled really far to the left, our agendas no longer aligned. So that made the marriage impossible. It aligned where it's like, oh, I could wear a red hat. That can help her get Alice Johnson out of jail because Trump's willing to do that for my wife because I was the only person in my position

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  that stood up and said, "Wait, I like you." You know, because...

• 1:58:16Lex Fridman?

  But isn't there a deeper agenda? The human agenda of just being in love? Like, that's just politics. What you're talking about, red hat is just politics, right?

• 1:58:24Speaker 01

  I mean, the world is becoming more and more transactional every day. And actually, marriages are actually originally based on transactions. You know, and that's why they're less needed, the more autonomous as we come. Or the world makes it less needed. I feel like we do need each other. I feel like we do need someone we can always, you know, count on. It's like I'm yay, pulled away by King Koopa, which is the media, the politics, the promise, oh, we're gonna keep you safe. So the thing, the reason why I get, you know, really frustrated with Kris Jenner is she says losing Rob Kardashian was the greatest mistake of her life, but she never gave Kim's hand over in marriage. Because this is the bottom line.

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  When me and Kim met, we were millionaires or whatever, right? You're telling me you just hand her hand over in marriage that your daughter's not successful? Handing your hand over in marriage too? But no, she had to still be the husband to all of her daughters. And we see what the results are consistently. So that's where I get frustrated. It's like, let that go. Let this person do what you made mistakes on. Don't make this person relive those same mistakes and then put that agenda into my daughters, too.

• 1:59:44Lex Fridman?

  Is there somebody in your life, close to you, that you trust enough to call you out on your bullshit? We're all full of shit sometimes.

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  What's my bullshit?

• 1:59:56Lex Fridman?

  Well, some of it I pointed out today, but I don't know you deeply enough.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  What was the bullshit?

• 2:00:01Lex Fridman?

  Jewish media, Jewish.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  That's not bullshit. The bullshit is that the Jewish media won't admit.

• 2:00:07Lex Fridman?

  Your dad was right. Your dad was right. The words you used, the, you weren't.

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  And I said it. You're not gonna make me say it 800 more times.

• 2:00:17Lex Fridman?

  I don't know if it resonated, cuz you keep saying, like, the words.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  Did it resonate to y'all that y'all ain't do nothing about it? And that all y'all wanna do is have somebody apologize and sweep under the rug? Your bullshit that you've been doing the whole time. You own the same bullshit as the other people.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  So you're doing the same thing that the other, let's say, media, cuz I'm not allowed to say, has done. So until somebody stands up.

• 2:00:43Lex Fridman?

  Which is what, man?

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  Is.

• 2:00:44Lex Fridman?

  Which is what?

• 2:00:45Speaker 01

  Is.

• 2:00:45Lex Fridman?

  I'm trying to call you out on your bullshit, cuz I hope I'm somebody you can trust.

• 2:00:50Speaker 01

  I don't fucking trust you.

• 2:00:54Lex Fridman?

  Well, you should find people in your life you can trust.

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  Don't tell me what I should do. I'm not one of your BLM marchers.

• 2:01:00Lex Fridman?

  Listen, I'm with you on the BLM. A lot of organizations use tragedy. And, uh, and I watched the Candace Owens documentary.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  And what was your take on it?

• 2:01:13Lex Fridman?

  I think it's important to question the mainstream narratives, but I don't agree with it. I still believe that George Floyd, uh, died from the knee of the cop, not from fentanyl.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  And, and even if that was the case, there's still 50% of black deaths is actually abortion.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  So let's get into engineering. Let's just go, cuz that's so.

• 2:01:39Lex Fridman?

  How do you fix that?

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  Population control is social engineering.

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  And, and it's most literal form. The blacks are under population control. That's something that, I mean, that's just what it is.

• 2:01:55Lex Fridman?

  African Americans are not choosing to get the abortion. I mean, it's a choice. It's an individual choice.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  But we're being influenced too.

• 2:02:02Lex Fridman?

  Well, then speak to the community and help. I mean, I don't know what the engineering solutions there are.

• 2:02:08Lex Fridman?

  It could be you're doing that in part by speaking to the value and the power of family.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  Well, well, watch this. I was building shelters. I bought land in Calabasas. I bought two ranches in Wyoming, 300 acres in Calabasas, 12,000 acres in total in Wyoming. And I started building ideas for shelters. And God set it on my heart to make monasteries, which would be modern day facilities that don't turn people down, that have farms, that have shelter, clothing. But first of all, water, first of all, knowledge, because knowledge is the most important resource to our species above water.

• 2:02:57Speaker 01

  Knowledge itself, because then you can go get water. I mean, you could argue like if you're a baby, how do you get water? But, but the baby doesn't have it, you know? So someone with the knowledge then feeds the baby the water. But it's important that those with the knowledge teach the baby how to find the water themselves. And the business people that I've been dealing with have been keeping the baby sick by not sharing the information and the knowledge within side of those contracts. My people are sick.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  If I load up Apple Music right now and I play the top songs in the rap chart, I would tell you my people are sick. If I go to the restaurants in opportunity zones and we look at the calorie rating and the cholesterol, I will tell you that my people are sick. If we look at the obesity rate, if you go to just a restaurant somewhere in middle America, Denny's or something, I went to Denny's the other day, you would see that my people are sick, and my people meaning all people, right? But black people are very influential to all people. So, right?

• 2:04:16Speaker 01

  If so, if the media picks overweight black woman and says this is body goals, then the media are influencing my people to stay sick.

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  And it just so happens that that night, I was so frustrated after 20 years that I had to call it out in one tweet. That now, even if I say, hey, okay, I was frustrated for these reasons. Now it's not good enough. You've literally tried to make me re-apologize 10 times in this meeting, re-say this, re-say that. But it doesn't change the fact that my people are sick. And I'm the only person in my position that will say that my people are sick. Today, not 30 years ago, not 60 years. My people are sick today. 50% of my people's deaths are abortion today.

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  My people don't have the opportunities today. Even to the point that because if JP Morgan had been nice to me and if Alex Klein and STEM Player had been fair to me, different things, then I wouldn't even point it out that we don't have any black. We have two black engineers. So I have to have a responsibility, obviously to all people, but specifically to my tribe. Because tribes, tribes move. You know, tribalism is real with black people. To separate the brightest from the tribe or to separate the leaders. It is factual that the CIA removed the leaders from the black community, put crack in the communities, put guns in the communities and locked up all the leaders and called them gang leaders, right? Locked up all the leaders, locked up all the fathers.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  Now 72% of black mothers are raising children by themselves. This is an agenda like a Tuskegee experiment set on my people, right? And what I'm calling out for the black people in entertainment is, what are we doing? We have to collude. And if we don't collude, because even if I said, hey, I'd like to make a company that's all black. Right? Is that okay for me to say? Is that okay for me to say? Or is that anti-Semitic? See, if I hadn't crossed the line so far, then that would have sounded anti-Semitic. Now I've stretched a bit. So now we can go to, okay, let's make an all-black company. But that would have been anti-Semitic.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  Just that concept. Because you could word that in a different way that would sound anti-Semitic.

• 2:06:45Lex Fridman?

  I don't know, man. I have to be.

• 2:06:47Speaker 01

  No, no, listen. If you were, if I said I didn't want to have the Jewish people in the company, would that be anti-Semitic?

• 2:06:54Speaker 01

  It would sound like it, right? You'd say I'm from 1930s, right?

• 2:06:57Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:57Speaker 01

  But for me as a tribe to say, no, I want an all-black company, right?

• 2:07:02Lex Fridman?

  I'm generally against that kind of thing. But you, first of all, you have the right to do whatever the hell you want. This is America.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  Well, what I'm saying is that's what I feel may need to happen for my people to have power again. Because when my people have been left under the media's control, we've been made sick. We've been allowed to be sick. We've been promoting, and we're promoting sickness.

• 2:07:22Lex Fridman?

  I think, at least in the engineering realm, I haven't met an engineer who happens to be black, who would like to be called a black engineer. And when you have a company of all-black people that are engineers, I don't know the creative arts, I apologize, but engineering, they really try to look at each other as humans and look at the problem. And you want to know, you want to have the confidence that everybody on the team is the best possible person for the job.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  What I can say is, the world is sick. And I have slight images of utopia, slight images of happiness, slight images as a visionary and a creator. And I know for a fact, the way that business deals have been done for me are keeping the world sick.

• 2:08:20Lex Fridman?

  Fix them. I see that's what you're trying to do. And you probably, listen, people should not doubt, yay. But I gotta tell you, I have to be honest. I don't, this is silly because you don't know me, but it hurt when you say you don't trust me. You kind of lost me. I don't think anyone's ever said that to me.

• 2:08:43Lex Fridman?

  I don't know, man. Fuck that. You know, I'm not, I don't care about views or clickbait or any of that bullshit. I just thought you were one of the great, greatest artists ever. It'd be cool to talk to you. And I just, I feel like you got pain you're working through. I never had anyone say that to me. I, maybe, I'm just being a mess about it, I guess. That's fucked up, though. But maybe it's not. Maybe you shouldn't trust it, but I just haven't had that experience.

• 2:09:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you think I would trust anybody at this point in my life?

• 2:09:14Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough. I hear you. And it's also kind of good to see how much strength you got. You're not broken by any of this. You're under a lot of attack. A lot of attack. By a lot of people. You have a vision and you're trying to feel your way through it. And you might get destroyed for it. That's the human. That's the risk you take.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  It's a wonderful life, though.

• 2:09:43Lex Fridman?

  What do you hope your legacy is?

• 2:09:45Speaker 01

  To be forgotten.

• 2:09:47Lex Fridman?

  You think you'll be forgotten?

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  Because the memory, there's ego and memory and the memories. Who designed? The sidewalk? Who designed the water fountain? Who designed the stop sign? Who designed the stoplight? These things are so ubiquitous that the person that designed them is forgotten. If it's a good idea, it's a God idea. And I don't know VCs can own it.

• 2:10:19Lex Fridman?

  So you want your designs in all realms of life to be so simple?

• 2:10:25Lex Fridman?

  That they.

• 2:10:27Lex Fridman?

  They permeate everything. They take over. And you are forgotten. That's a successful design is you're forgotten.

• 2:10:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:10:36Lex Fridman?

  Do you have advice for people? A lot, a lot, a lot of young people look up to you. You have advice for young people? Of how to live a life they can be proud of?

• 2:10:48Speaker 01

  Don't tweet while you're sleepy.

• 2:10:51Lex Fridman?

  Take a nap?

• 2:10:53Lex Fridman?

  Surely there's other things. I love the humor. Don't take it seriously, I suppose, is what that means.

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  Don't send sleepy tweets.

• 2:11:04Speaker 01

  Unless you buy your own social platform the very next week called Parler. But other than that, if you're not going to buy your own social platform, then don't.

• 2:11:14Lex Fridman?

  Is that why you bought parlors? So you could be sleepy and send messages out into the wild? I actually am really interested in the engineering aspects of Parler. Is there a vision there? Because I'm also super interested in Elon buying Twitter.

• 2:11:26Speaker 01

  I like Instagram. Better than Twitter. And I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg liked Instagram better than Facebook or saw how.

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  You know how valuable that was and he bought it.

• 2:11:43Lex Fridman?

  So you'd like to take Parler or something, whatever is the magic that makes Instagram work? You want to push it there?

• 2:11:47Speaker 01

  Well, I thought it was interesting how it felt like Snapchat made the Kardashians bully Instagram.

• 2:11:54Lex Fridman?

  What's the, what's the point of Snapchat going to war on Instagram?

• 2:11:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, just everyone wants to say, well, this is our value Snapchat. You know, no one wants to lose their value to someone else's value, whatever. It's like, and everything is just, what's the difference between permanent and temporary? You know, is this a permanent structure? And until God says it's not, you know, it's like, nothing's permanent. Our life is not permanent. So how do we just let go of those things? Even like going from the name Kanye West to Ye was the beginning of just letting go of some things, of these titles. Like, we need to remove the titles like, hey, if I, if I have to leave Adidas and I have to go next computers,

• 2:12:41Speaker 01

  that may take me out of the billionaire standing altogether. And I gotta get low for however long God says I have to get low and refocus. I've been reshaping, refocusing my staff. I had some people that were good and I had some people that weren't. I had too many people and I've got a vision inside of me and I'm like, this is how I make this vision. I have to bring this vision to life. I have to bring these houses to life. I was talking to one of our architects on, you know, we're actually getting close on it. I've like built it a few times.

• 2:13:22Speaker 01

  I had like the domes you probably saw and, and I said, you know, how he transformed Kim's house. And no, we're getting there, like.

• 2:13:33Lex Fridman?

  So you want to get into architecture? Like you really, you really want this to become a physical reality?

• 2:13:37Speaker 01

  Yes, and I've, I've got close. Rome wasn't built today.

• 2:13:41Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but Rome had to start somewhere.

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:43Lex Fridman?

  I gotta call you out on the advice. There really is a lot of people that look up to you and you've lived a really difficult life. And you made it through all of it. What do you advise them to do?

• 2:13:56Speaker 01

  Do everything that you feel,

• 2:13:59Speaker 01

  even if you are told that it's the wrong thing. No, no, no, no, no, but not anything violent.

• 2:14:07Lex Fridman?

  So do what you feel, say what you feel, like trust your heart.

• 2:14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, trust your gut, trust your instincts because that instinct is who God made you to be. Not, you know, what lines up with your life frat brothers or what lines up with what your dad wanted or what lines up with your classmates or, you know, it's just,

• 2:14:30Speaker 01

  God has something inside of you and when you walk down the street, you're thinking about it and then you just see it in the window. And you go down another street and you see the same thing or you're thinking about a number and that number pops up or you see it on a license plate. And that's just, you know, something is trying to say be the maximum yay. You know, be the maximum you and God won't give you anything that you can't handle. So for me, everything is a yes. I think they say be like water. I know Bruce Lee said that. Or matter of fact, just be.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  Because we are beings with engineering opportunities.

• 2:15:17Lex Fridman?

  Beautifully put. Yay, I have hope, I have faith that however this turns out, that you have the skill and the capacity to really add love to the world and I hope you do that.

• 2:15:32Lex Fridman?

  I really, really hope you do that. And we talked about the tension of that, the challenges and the opportunities of that.

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  I mean, I see how we could be of use to each other. You actually have a particular thing for me as I eject from media. Cause even also, you know, I'm really big at like, you know, burning the phoenix too. All you know, as an engineer, that your cells completely regenerate every seven years. I think I, I rushed the process a little bit. So I run around looking like a burn victim sometimes.

• 2:16:04Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, but I gotta tell you, anyone I am close with, I work with, there has to be trust. There has to be love. And I think you've been burned quite a bit in your life.

• 2:16:15Speaker 01

  Sometimes I did it myself. I put my hand on the stove.

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  So how do we get to engineering? There's a deal to be done here. Not saying you're making this money off of that. I'm making that money off, but there's.

• 2:16:27Lex Fridman?

  I don't care about money, by the way.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  Same, twins. So there's dealings here. You got pain, I got pain, but we're beings with engineering opportunities.

• 2:16:38Lex Fridman?

  For a long time, I thought somebody should create a new social network. And it looks like great engineering could do that.

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  You got two at one time from two of your homeboys at one time.

• 2:16:49Lex Fridman?

  Yeah. And that's a great way. I mean, every, you know, it can be done from scratch or it can be done anew with an already established platform. Yeah. I'm very excited by that possibility.

• 2:17:01Lex Fridman?

  Parler is smaller. Twitter is larger. I wonder whether you can do any kind of revolutionary engineering with a large company. If anyone can, I would say it's Elon.

• 2:17:11Speaker 01

  Well, Elon can look at what we do over here. That's why I like, God does this a lot of times. He creates doppelgangers. There's a lot of examples where a theory happened two places at one time. A really similar type of personality happens at one time.

• 2:17:30Lex Fridman?

  It's weird. It's beautiful. It's hilarious, actually. It's kind of humorous.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  So we should, we should just share every piece of information together as like, as I go build Parler and as he builds up Twitter and see how to make both those better. But I'll, I'll be like, hey, I'm not going to let Snapchat bully me out of, you know, adding something to it. That's best. It should just be the best platform possible. That means that, you know, that means TikTok has amazing features. Twitter has amazing things about it. I know this girl that's like, I like Instagram better than Twitter. It's just, she likes that Twitter has porn. But other than that, Instagram, but I was like, well, Instagram is porn also.

• 2:18:19Speaker 01

  It's like soft, it's more subtle. It's not telling you, it's not, it's not conservative by any means. You know, and.

• 2:18:29Lex Fridman?

  I mean, that's the thing. You have to please a lot of people with these platforms. And I think the goal of a platform should be to help individuals.

• 2:18:40Lex Fridman?

  Maximize their long-term happiness and growth like intellectually, spiritually, psychologically, all of that. And it's a tricky thing to figure out how to do that. Of course, you could just have a platform that's just strictly for fun. I think that's where TikTok leans. But there has, I think there's a balance to strike like Twitter, there's a lot of intellectual philosophical stuff going on on Twitter, but it somehow currently makes it too easy to be divisive and hateful towards each other and cancel and all that kind of stuff.

• 2:19:12Speaker 01

  I think we need to have these healthy conversations. That's what it is. Healthy conversations, healthy dialogues. That's the biggest thing. Like, when I first wore the red hat, the conversation is less healthy than it is today. The conversation about George Floyd, you know, it's like, did I send the tweet the right way? Did, is Candace Owens documentary perfect? Is what Michael Moore, is that documentary is perfect? Is Century Self, is it fully accurate? You know, it's two to three hours of a transmit of information through a particularly usually

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  one person's view. And anything you want to research, if you're interested in it, you gotta look at 10 versions of it, 20 versions of it. George Floyd, we've looked at one version of that. Now we have a second. Whoa. By the time we get to the, you know, I know this is like, it's, it's not my last hoodie, but it's definitely not my first hoodie that I put on, you know, it's like, that's how we got to like even this particular size of zipper, or the fact that, you know, for people who know, they know that it's like Carhartt.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  Even though the Carhartt tag isn't there anymore, you just know by the shape of it, you feel it. So it abstracts, it takes into like this cubist place, like Picasso, Matisse, or African cubism, or Dire Straits. Money for nothing and your chicks for free.

• 2:20:48Lex Fridman?

  Great band. Hey, I wouldn't think you could reference Dire Straits. Look at you.

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  That video.

• 2:20:54Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, I know. It's a great video.

• 2:20:56Speaker 01

  That is.

• 2:20:56Lex Fridman?

  Your encyclopedic knowledge of music is great.

• 2:20:59Speaker 01

  I think that, you know, porn is not just sexual. That term actually relates to torture. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, watching people beat each other up on World Star or something. You know, it's like, that's called torture porn.

• 2:21:14Lex Fridman?

  There's also food porn. How do you explain that?

• 2:21:17Speaker 01

  What's food porn?

• 2:21:18Lex Fridman?

  Food porn is like looking at really delicious cakes and cookies and steak and so on. And you're like, holy shit.

• 2:21:24Speaker 01

  Exactly. Architecture. Like, there's people who love architecture. When they see architecture, I know, I got friends that'll be like, oh, that's porn.

• 2:21:31Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:32Speaker 01

  Architecture.

• 2:21:33Lex Fridman?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's like, uh, that's like love. Like, dopamine-fueled love for a thing. Yeah, we need, that's beautiful. I think that's beautiful.

• 2:21:44Speaker 01

  Well, I think.

• 2:21:44Lex Fridman?

  As long as nobody's getting hurt.

• 2:21:46Speaker 01

  The intoxication that people have. You know, the worst part is like when one person's in love and the other person's in like.

• 2:21:56Lex Fridman?

  That's us right now.

• 2:21:59Speaker 01

  Well, who's in like?

• 2:22:00Lex Fridman?

  No, because you said you love Bill Maher and you like me.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  Not, and, and.

• 2:22:05Lex Fridman?

  And I love you, so that was.

• 2:22:07Speaker 01

  No, I actually love you both.

• 2:22:09Lex Fridman?

  All right, all right.

• 2:22:10Speaker 01

  And the funny thing is like, um, as a, as a visionary, visionaries are more extreme than business people. Because a visionary would do bad business for their vision. A business person will never do bad business.

• 2:22:33Lex Fridman?

  It's well put. Yeah, it's really well put.

• 2:22:36Speaker 01

  So when you say, I don't care about money, it's like, yeah, I feel you. Like, I feel that I care in a way that I need that, but.

• 2:22:45Speaker 01

  I care about the vision that I have to a Steve Jobs level, to the point of putting that above my regular human existence, meaning having to go and take all the arrows, that I become a soldier of the vision. Because someone could say, a wife could say to, like, say like in the 60s, their husband's about to go to war. The wife may not want their husband to go to war because of their children,

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  but he's going to war because of their children.

• 2:23:37Lex Fridman?

  Definitely. Do you regret any aspect of just giving everything to your vision? I mean, you've spoken about that, saying like, I got fucked over in the business side.

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  I promise that I had to stop envying

• 2:23:54Speaker 01

  cool people at their current cool time. If anything, if someone's cool and I say their name a lot, I'm gonna flash the light on them so much that it ages their coolness. It's actually a war technique, showered in compliments.

• 2:24:18Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:19Speaker 01

  You know, because that, that you, to be able to stay at 45 years old to still be the bad kid in class, at 45, I'm still in the principal's office? Because if you look at like, say, fashion, right? If you think of something fashionable, it's probably gonna look like the kid in the principal's office. That's gonna be the fashion. And that's part of the reason why I'm the most influential person in fashion. In fashion, because I refuse to leave the principal's office. If the substitute teacher comes in, I'm gonna say, you got a big butt!

• 2:24:56Lex Fridman?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna get, and they're gonna-

• 2:24:58Lex Fridman?

  Right back, right back to the principal's office.

• 2:25:01Speaker 01

  And people are gonna be like, yo- And that's what you keep on saying, like, who can we talk to? Because no one can talk to me. No, I'm out of control, bro. It's just God, then me, and then fuck everybody. You know what I mean? That's how, that's really how I live my life. And I just want to say this one thing about the children thing. I wanted to, you know, put that point together, put that idea together. I don't like the word point. I'm really big on like words, words being powerful, says the person with the sleepy tweet. So. You're full of contradictions. Yeah, I'm a human being, right? It's like, some days I'm like, I could go 30 days and be celibate. You know, like, really, like, I'm a monk. I'm being like faithful to God.

• 2:25:46Speaker 01

  And then I'll go like working out, no carbs, like my weight will fluctuate. And I'll have times I'm like, I don't feel like being told what to do. So I don't want to work out with a trainer and I just want to drink this Hennessy. But I want to say this thing that I will text to Kim sometimes. I'll say, you know,

• 2:26:05Speaker 01

  you may not understand what I'm doing right now, but you will. And that's what I would say to everyone. You may not understand what I'm doing. And this gives a little bit, maybe we're like 20% there. But there's still going to be people, we leave this interview and they'll be like, I still don't like the way he apologized. I still don't want to say what my involvement would have been to make him, lead him to that point. And we just want things to be how they are. There's people in the world who want the world to stay as it is. And there's people who want to change the world. And that's happened throughout time. They say that with Da Vinci, halfway into a conversation, he could not suffer fools so much that he would walk away

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  halfway into the conversation. And I said, well, that's why it's the Da Vinci Code and not the Da Vinci World. And every time I go and piss off a group of people or do these things, on some end, it's like I could be turning my thing from a potential world vision to a code. Or I could be opening up conversations with new friends that I may trust someday.

• 2:27:17Lex Fridman?

  Yeah, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. That, that because the change you will have on the world that you don't know for sure, but it'll happen across years, even decades. So you have to think in the future. Like you're working in the future. Your actions are working in the future. And a lot of people will judge this conversation and others you've done and so on in the present, and that doesn't matter.

• 2:27:40Speaker 01

  You know why I apologize, why I say I'm sorry to the Jewish people that are hurt? It's not about, like I said, oh, I said, I'm not going to hold this apology hostage, right? It's, obviously it's about God, but God is everything, right? So what's the point of even having language and being, you can't engineer if you say God, God, God, right? It's like, it's, God asks us to be judgmental so that you become, if you're a doctor, right? It's your judgment that saves grandma, right? And God puts that in this, like, we have God inside us. We're a piece of God also, right? So I'm gonna go specific to a person.

• 2:28:19Speaker 01

  That story about Da Vinci alone is enough of a reason for me to give a sincere apology to the Jewish people, because I do believe that there's a Da Vinci Code inside of all of my misspellings and scribbles right here, that God wants me to get to the world. And when I'm in my way, if God has set something on me, when I'm in my way, I'm in God's way. Now, I can point at other people and say, hey, you guys are in God's way because you're not listening to me. But if I'm in my way, I'm not listening to God. And for me to be a philosopher and a leader, whatever other language, I have to listen to God.

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  So before God, what I would do is start off as a samurai. And say, I'm sorry for hurting you as a Jewish person. I'm sorry for the way that made you feel. And I'm sorry for the entire population of a race that I feel is actually my brothers. Cause I classify and feel that I'm also connected with Christ in that way. That my people came from Africa in that way. And I can't say it's this exact teaching or that exact teaching. But I feel that there's an important, you know, the sons of Abraham, however we want to word it, right? For us to come together and bring our different talents together to serve God collectively.

• 2:29:44Speaker 01

  And he, as much of an alien as I am, he does not cause me, he did not call for me to alienate. And that's what the problem has been, especially in politics and in America. He plays America as the TV, as the radio to the world. We invented rock and roll, right? We are the influencers of the rest of the planet. We're the, we're the youngest startup in history, right? We're the youngest country, we're the, we're the youngest superpower, right? So for me and my position, the fact that I can talk to Trump one day and be at a game with Kim Kardashian the next day and then be at Paris Fashion Week.

• 2:30:23Speaker 01

  They don't want me to be involved with language of decisive divisive language. You know, proving that I can be just as racist as a racist white person. Oh, I can, I can be a racist black person also. That's not what God has called me to do. So how do I simplify and say, hey, to you as a visionary, as a, as an engineer, as a person that's given me a platform that as my brother, I want to apologize to you for how that made you feel. And to the rest of. The people that carry specifically that pain, not the pain that I talk about. That doesn't seem to be as much of a pain for people when I talk about

• 2:31:07Speaker 01

  the abortion clinics and stuff. That's it's like, that's the argued pain even in my own community. Like, not everyone thinks that's a pain. But for the Jewish community, it's collectively, this was a pain. And I've gone, I've gone so far just psychologically on this journey since that statement had happened, where I didn't want to like, give up the candy in my pocket. I didn't want to say, hey, I stuck my can, my hand in the candy jar. I wanted to defend my freedom of speech. I wanted this. But even with freedom of speech, pain is pain. Causing people to hurt is not helping. Causing people to hurt is not helping. So that means I have to take a more sophisticated approach

• 2:31:52Speaker 01

  to engineering this problem. This problem is an opportunity. And yes, that what could some people may deem as a mistake. Would it be more genuine if I called it a mistake? I think I would be hypocritical by calling it a mistake with, with the ending of that, the idea I'm gonna say out loud. So I'm not, I don't try to be a hypocrite on purpose. So, but I will call it a mistake to add a genuine, to be genuine about the feeling. With that mistake, with me as a human being,

• 2:32:34Speaker 01

  not to justify, but I have to state that God makes no mistakes. Because if I hadn't made that mistake, I wouldn't be in front of you today. And that's not to justify this sleepy text.

• 2:32:50Lex Fridman?

  But I can tell you're a man that has love in his heart. And I hear that. I hear it through the words explicitly, implicitly. And I, I think if we're to engineer a better future, the way to do that is with love. So as one human to another, I love you, brother. Thank you for talking today. This is great.

• 2:33:10Speaker 01

  I like you too.

• 2:33:11Lex Fridman?

  Son of a bitch.

• 2:33:16Lex Fridman?

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