Inside the Putin/Trump Summit: Does it Go Anywhere?

The conversation delves into the recent Trump-Putin summit, analyzing its implications for Ukraine and the broader geopolitical landscape. The speakers discuss the dynamics of negotiations, the role of the U. S. and Europe, the potential for sanctions, and the future of NATO. They emphasize the importance of security assurances for Ukraine and the need for a united front against autocracy, while also addressing public perception and political ramifications in the U. S. and Europe. 00:00 The Trump-Putin Summit: An Overview 07:05 Negotiation Dynamics: Ceasefire vs. Peace Deal 13:57 The Role of NATO and Security Assurances 19:56 Sanctions and Economic Implications 24:59 The Complexity of Ceasefire and Territorial Integrity 26:53 The Complexity of Ceasefire Agreements 29:51 NATO Membership and Its Implications 35:40 The Role of European Leaders in Peace Negotiations 41:38 The Strategic Mistakes of Putin 47:49 The U. S. Support for Ukraine and Its Global Impact Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:38Speaker 03

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes On. We got the full crew here today. We got Gandy Milburn, Mick Mulroy, Jason Lyons, and myself. A lot happening, happened over the weekend. The big news, obviously, is Trump in Putin's summit in Alaska. Lasted about three hours. Big show of, you know, big pomp and circumstance with the B2 and what they have 35s flying over. Like that means anything. Red carpet too for Putin, like he's some kind of fucking great guy. I mean, we could, we could pick apart the specifics all day long, and this could be a four-hour podcast, but... They talked for three hours. It was three-on-three. Initially, it was supposed to be one-on-one. Thank God it wasn't. But it was three-on-three.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Wykoff, Rubio, and President Trump with Putin, Lavrov, and...

• 2:27Speaker 03

  What's Putin's guy's name, his aide?

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Uh, you already said Lavrov, the other guy's name?

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's got an aide, like an economic advisor. I can't remember his name. Anyway, it was the three, it was three Russians versus us.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  Yes. It was their equivalent to Whitcoff.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, lasted about three hours. There's supposed to be a, a press conference afterwards. There, there were just statements. It seemed like Putin took up most of the air in the room. Uh, they took no questions. And then there was supposed to be a working lunch, I think, prior to the press conference. They moved the press conference up. The working lunch never happened. Everybody jumped on their jets and went home. Uh, what came out of it was basically instead of talking about a ceasefire, they want an actual peace deal. Uh, not many details have been coming out, slightly some over the weekend have. I saw Whitcoff and Rubio, they were on the Sunday shows. We're expecting Zelensky and a lot of European leaders to meet in DC, in the White House tomorrow.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  What are you guys tracking with this? What are your thoughts on this? You guys can butt wrestle for who goes first.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Make you go.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  So to put, to look at it balanced, right? The positive and the negative.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  I don't know what you want me to start with, but, uh, I'll start with this. Going into this negotiation, ceasefire was the objective. It was clear. President said it. Uh, and he also said there would be, uh, significant, uh, consequences if there wasn't. And there wasn't, right? So that was disappointing. Obviously I was covering it all day for ABC or at least analyzing it. We really wanted to see him come out of there and say, uh, that there was a ceasefire because it's, you know, the, the concern is that Russia is just going to use these talks, uh, to look like they're actually heading towards some kind of into the conflict and a negotiated settlement.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  But essentially just keep doing what they're doing, which is to incrementally taking territory from Ukraine and deliberately targeting civilians and killing civilians. Five died since the summit to where we're talking right now. Right? And, and let's be clear on who Putin is. He's a guy who deliberately targets maternity hospitals and nursing homes.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  Right, to to subparts of any society that you would think would be completely off limits, that's who he is. So the concern is that that's what he's doing. He's just going to play this out and keep going to meetings and, you know, try to get the president to come to Moscow. And it's it's just a delaying tactic for him to try to, you know, do what he what he wants to do, which is, he doesn't want a ceasefire, he wants Ukraine, right? So that's one thing. I think what the US has to do now is walk the walk. So we said, and there's a bill pending right now, the Blumenthal Graham bill, or yeah, bill, that's

• 5:36Speaker 04

  in the Senate. If that passed, and it has 85 cosponsors, so it will pass, and it goes through Congress, there's 10 days for the president to sign it, it's veto proof, but it or he doesn't sign it, and it just becomes law in 10 days. That's where we need to go. And I think I heard the vice president, former vice president Pence, say that this morning on television. So I think that's an indicator that's a lot of Republicans think that's the case, and obviously Democrats do too. So that's where we need to go now. We need to cut off his supply to fund his war effort, and that is his secondary sanctions that prevents him from selling his energy. It's not guaranteed it'll prevent him from selling

• 6:18Speaker 04

  his energy, but it sure is a hell of a lot more consequences than what is happening right now, which is none. The second thing I think we could do is start releasing these frozen assets of Russia. I'm like a broken record with this, but I'm a broken record for a reason. And let Ukraine start buying very advanced weapon systems with zero caveats on them, right? Shoot them wherever you need to. Don't hit civilians, obviously, like like your adversaries, but anywhere on Russia's open game. And and there's $350 billion that I know of, or I think I know of, that could be used for that. And then I would start talking about, and this is where I'd go into a little bit of the positive that came out of this.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  What is going to be the security assurances? Because it can't just be Russia saying, "I promise not to attack you. That's not worth anything." So I just saw Special Envoy Witkoff saying that what was agreed with Russia was that there'd be Article V-type security assurances from the United States and Europe, of course. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. Even if it's not NATO, which I think Ukraine will eventually end up in NATO. But if they have an Article V, which means they're attacked again, it's like they attacked all of us, we're all going to war. That's the big benefit of NATO membership, Article V.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  So if there can be some treaty, some ironclad, you know, is a term everybody's using to do that, that's a big deal for Ukraine and it'll make it much more palatable for them to cede some territory, I believe. Ultimately, they have to make that decision, not the United States. But if they do get to a point where they can agree to some, and I would say not cede it, I would just say acknowledged you can't get it back militarily, not legally, just give parts of your country away. But if that's acceptable to Ukraine, then the security assurance is ironclad, which would be, I think, would have to be a treaty of some sorts, you know, so it goes through the Senate with the United States. And then the Europeans should start

• 8:32Speaker 04

  planning right now how they would move forces into Ukraine to have an actual physical presence to shore up any of this security assurance. I think the Ukrainians would need to go in and stay there until, you know, just have rotations through there until either Ukraine is firmly in NATO or it's just, you know, clear that it's not going to happen. So I know that was a big diatribe, but I think there was some positives and some negatives that came out of this.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Andy?

• 9:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think, I first of all, yeah, I absolutely agree with Mick on his point that Putin doesn't want a ceasefire, he wants the part of Ukraine that Russians or Russia's already annexed, he wants the, he wants to keep that, and he wants to, he wants a cap on Ukrainian armed forces, I would guess, and, you know, at a considerably lower level than the Ukrainian army is now, and he definitely wants the door slammed on any path for Ukraine to NATO

• 9:45Speaker 05

  or Article Five type arrangement, perhaps even into the EU. So those do mark points that the US has leverage on. And, you know, I would just like to, just kind of like to make the point that we don't need, you know, Russia's got nothing on the US. Russia is a tin pot nation. It's not like, you know, it's not even like China. Russia is no, I mean, I wouldn't say Russia is no threat to us. Russia is certainly a threat to US interests. But my point is that, that raid against Russia, and given the diplomatic military might that

• 10:30Speaker 05

  the United States has, we're dealing with a, an adversary who is, who is way beneath us. You know, I just like, again, I mean, there's no, Russia's in no position really to make demands of us. Now, admittedly, Russia has a chunk of Ukraine and has the ability to continue the war indefinitely, although they're taking, as we talked on this show, huge amount of casualties, by which I mean, an estimated 1,000 casualties a day, and some days that's close to 1,000 dead, you know, and the number of casualties varies between 1,000 and 1,400 a day by the most conservative estimates. That's just a huge

• 11:11Speaker 05

  amount, you know, but the fact that Putin can very cynically just continue this war indefinitely shows how little he cares for, you know, for his own people. Yeah, that being said, I think everyone on this show understands Putin is just a bad person. Getting back to what Mick was saying about secondary sanctions.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  So first of all, yes, absolutely. You know, the way that we leverage Putin is that if he doesn't come to the table, and we need to hear more of this, really, are the the negative sanctions on him. If he doesn't come to the bargaining table, then we do back some path, I would say path, a pathway to NATO and certainly security guarantees. And secondly, as far as secondary sanctions, yes, I sanctions on those countries that are backing Russia or trading with Russia, China, India, Turkey being primary among them, that that will hurt, that will hurt Russia. But we've got to be serious about this. I mean, you know, we've been talking about putting tariffs on the entire world

• 12:19Speaker 05

  with the exception of Russia. I don't know. I don't know why we're so reluctant to. Those Canadians. You know, I mean.

• 12:27Speaker 03

  Those goddamn Canadians, I'm sick of them, to be honest.

• 12:30Speaker 05

  I mean, you know, the Canadians are smug. I mean, I get it, but. They keep fighting alongside us in the wars. I would like to see us say, hey, listen, you either accept this or we are absolutely, we have security guarantees to Ukraine. I mean substantive security guarantees, some kind of Article Five agreement, but it's definitely a pathway to NATO in the next five years. That'll certainly make Putin pay attention.

• 12:57Speaker 05

  We played, you know, he played his game. Yeah, I mean, rolled out the red carpet. I know that's become a meme of this whole conference, but I think it's, you know, a lot of us find that quite offensive, I do, to see US military personnel on their knees rolling out a red carpet for a man who I consider an adversary to our national interest. It disgusts me. And Putin lapsed up. Those those optics are huge for him.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, how are those playing in Russia, right? Like all the entire summit, actually, like, you know, even at that press conference, Putin spoke for like two thirds of the time talking about like Russian history and shit, the same thing he did with like Tucker Carlson during that interview.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  It's just, it seems like a bunch of bullshit, to be honest. And like, and like, even look at the deal points that kind of like, like leaked out a little bit where like.

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• 14:44Speaker 03

  They want the entirety of Donbass for Kharkiv and Sumys, and Sumy, where it's like, they don't even have that. They're trying to get an entire.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Parts of Ukraine they don't even currently have.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like absolute nonsense. And like, what is an Article Five, like, clause or treaty even look like? Let them join NATO if it's Article Five, like, what's the fucking difference?

• 15:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  They can get it, if they can get it.

• 15:09Speaker 07

  Right.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  I mean, here's the other thing, is the people that are opposed, potentially opposed to NATO membership,

• 15:17Speaker 04

  in our system, they are term limited, right? So if there's some kind of ironclad way, and again, this is up to Ukraine, right? They shouldn't give up anything they don't want to give up. But if they do, for these assurances, we could, there's a coalition of the willing, there's 30 countries. They could move troops in. You got a ceasefire, there should be some iron. What I mean ironclad, I mean, it's not an executive order, which we all can see is not necessarily ironclad. It can just switch with the next administration. So it has to be some kind of treaty, I think, that everybody agrees to, for that to be actually worth it for Ukraine. And then down the road, I

• 16:00Speaker 04

  mean, first of all, Putin doesn't get a veto on NATO, right? Or Finland and Sweden wouldn't be in NATO right now. I mean, there wouldn't be in NATO right now. So down the road, I agree with Andy. I think we need to get to a point where Ukraine is firmly part of NATO. And I think that should be part of the plan. We got to start, stop just conceding everything before the negotiations start. That's the other thing. Like, we shouldn't go in there saying, oh, we already agreed that no US troops are going to be on the ground, no NATO, no this, no that. These are all things that's supposed to happen during negotiations. Not saying that we concede them, but you certainly don't concede points before you start the

• 16:41Speaker 04

  negotiations. And they haven't even started yet. I would, I would, you know, again, to try to balance this, hey, the US is putting a lot of effort into this. They, I do, I agree with Andy. I don't know what the deal was with the red carpet stuff, but I think it, I think the US is putting a lot of effort into this. Obviously, we're going to see the meeting with President Zelensky, I think, President Macron, President Stubbs.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  Starmer is going.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  Starmer's going now, okay. You know, they're not asking me, but I'd also suggest that they don't lay everything on the table. They don't come out there and just say everything they talk. I mean, part of negotiations should be, you know, we had a great meeting today. We're making progress. This is the kind of things we're looking at. The next step for a tripart, a trilateral meeting.

• 17:30Jack Murphy?

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• 18:22Speaker 05

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• 18:35Speaker 05

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• 18:40Speaker 05

  Yes, the support from the US is still substantial and it's still certainly something that Ukrainians, you know, feel they need. But my point is that it it isn't a case of any more of United States full support, the war comes to an end.

• 18:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Uh, Ukraine can continue fighting with the support, the increasing support of European nations. And I think, I don't know, but I would imagine that European leaders and Zelensky have planned for the worse and they certainly should. When they come to the White House on Monday, uh, such that, you know, the, my point is the US does not have as much leverage as we did maybe a year or two years ago. Um, and that Europeans are on the point probably of saying, well, okay, fair enough, but we don't agree. You, you and Putin can talk about what you want, but we, we're gonna continue to support Ukraine in its fight.

• 19:37Speaker 05

  And, um, and then just walk away and, and then we, now we look really, now we look really powerless, right?

• 19:45Speaker 05

  You know, so soft, I mean, it's hard and soft power, right? Soft power diplomacy. I mean, you've got to back it with, obviously, you, you, you have to back it with, uh, with action. Um, and my point is simply this, that we're not really necessarily in a position where we have that leverage anymore.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and dude, you just look at the optics, and that's what, that's what the whole summit was. I think they both tried to like win in the perception game.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Putin's going back as like a fucking hero, dude. Like, there's so many ways you can cut up and dice up the, the footage from the summit to make him look like, you know, he, we shouldn't even, President Trump shouldn't even be meeting with him. You shouldn't even give him that opportunity to get the fucking, uh, photo, photo op, frankly. Uh, what has he done to deserve that? And the other wild part was like Trump had a, uh, a, a interview with Sean Hannity afterwards. And he said, oh yeah, now it's all up to Zelensky. Like, what? Like, peace isn't up to Zelensky. It's up to the Russians who invaded a fucking country that was not aggressive with it three years ago to get out of their country. Like,

• 20:53Speaker 03

  uh, it's just incredible the hoops that Zelensky has to go through compared to like his bro poop. Frankly, he looked ridiculous. I mean, that's what it's playing like.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  Honestly, that's how it's been playing for the last two days, is that Trump looked ridiculous, super like, uh, like jovial, like they're best buds. Like, dude, they seen your best bud. Sorry to break it to you. I know he's got a, uh, proclivity towards like dictators and stuff, but it's like, at some point, you gotta act like an actual like American president. And it's crazy because the most liberal guy here is acting like the most hawkish, right? Because I could just form my mouth and say whatever I want. But it's, I mean, it, it's just kind of mind boggling, to be honest.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  So hopefully this, I mean, it does look like a win to Putin right now, right? He got hoisted from Pariah to presidential meetings in the United States. But if, and there's a lot of folks calling for this, if the secondary sanctions bill, sanctioning Russia act is passed, he's going to go from, you know, smiley face to frowny face pretty fast, right?

• 22:04Speaker 03

  So what's holding it up though, Mick? If there's 85, you can't get an 85 cent's degree on anything.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  I know. I don't know. Apparently Trump has to give Senator Thune, the, you know, majority leader, the thumbs up. Of course, he doesn't have to. They could just pass it. It's, they are an independent branch of government. He didn't agree to a ceasefire. It's time to pass it. I mean, we can't keep making threats and then not following up, or they're just going to be like, okay, well, it doesn't really matter. We're going to lose all our clout in this. Like, like Andy was saying, you know, eventually the Europeans are just saying, just get out of the way then, because you guys aren't, you're just hosting lavish, you know, meetings and not fancy.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  What were you going to say?

• 22:48Speaker 10

  I was just going to ask, because I'm completely ignorant when it comes to sanctions, the, how they, the ins and outs of them. So I'm going to ask this question. What is the downside for us for imposing sanctions? Because I know Rubio said this morning that he doesn't believe that imposing more sanctions is going to do any good. But what is the downside of it? Why wouldn't we? Why can't we do that amongst other things? Is there a downside?

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. But I mean, I'd point out that Secretary Rubio, when he was Senator Rubio, would have supported this 100%, right? And I think he actually has came out to support this exactly. So how it works, my understanding is it imposes a 500% tariff on countries that purchase energy from Russia. So if you are China and you purchase energy from Russia, then when you try to sell stuff to us, it's a 500% tariff, which essentially is a block to trade.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  I mean, it's, it might as well be 10,000 by then. Right now, I've seen economists, which I'm not, say this could be super disruptive to international trade. So I don't know the actual consequences to it. I'm looking at it from a national security, Ukrainian, and in a war in Ukraine perspective. But I think even the prospect of it is why Putin asked for the meeting. He didn't agree to anything, but that we know of. But I do think prospect of it is concerning, which means I think we should move forward with it. I mean, like Dee already said, we're basically putting tariffs on everybody on the planet. So except for Russia. So why not? And this, they would not be affected by it. China, India, and Turkey

• 24:35Speaker 04

  are the countries that buy the most energy from Russia.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Is there somebody else that can make, is there another country that can make up the difference? Let's say they did stop buying energy from Russia?

• 24:50Speaker 04

  That's a good question for our energy experts, but the US, OPEC, I don't know. That would be a good question. I don't want to say, I don't want to say, I don't know. That could also be disruptive. But the whole point of it is not to actually enforce the 500%. Right? It's to, it's to just then have them stop buying energy from Russia.

• 25:12Speaker 10

  Yeah, there is no downside for us, then. There is no big downside.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  I guess it's just the global economy, like oil, my tank, you know, oil is already low and stuff like that. So.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Or maybe it arises. I don't know.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Oh, it might, it might skyrocket. You're right. Sorry.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  Because it's, it's at like 60 something right now. It's pretty low oil. Relatively.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, it also had come out like the whole idea of the summit was to kind of a framework for a ceasefire, right? But now they're like, oh, we're talking peace deal, which is like, you're trying to high jump before you can even crawl.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Also, the other part that we didn't like, we have talked about before, like for Ukraine to okay, because they are a democratic country, like it or not, Putin and everybody else, like they have to change their constitution and get like parliamentary approval to swap to like actually hard, make the, make the borders like hard borders.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, they have to amend the constitution to be able to have the referendum, I think. Um, and then the, and the other part of this, there's, Pete, there's Ukrainians that live in this territory. They don't want to become Russian, obviously. They, uh, you know, they've been fighting tooth and nail, uh, the rest of our lives and losing lives to be able to not be Russian. So what it's, it's super complicated. So say, say they do give up some terrain, there needs to be resettlement, there needs to be, there's costs, including that, rehousing, who's paying for that? International community, Russia, Russia, all of its assets

• 26:51Speaker 04

  that are frozen right now, you know, the way I see it, should never go back to Russia. Either they need to use it to defend themselves, or they need to use it to rebuild themselves, which was caused by Russia. This is gonna, that's why it's so important to have a ceasefire during negotiations, because even if this is good face negotiations, which is a big if, it's going to take a long time to get there, just because of all of the issues they have to deal with, the ref, the amending the constitution, the referendums, the resettling populations, all the other issues, which are also extraordinarily important, like the first lady wrote this letter about these Ukrainian children that were stolen. I mean,

• 27:34Speaker 04

  this is just barbaric act. I mean, all that stuff has to be included in the agreement. And then we have to have an ironclad security assurance, which to my way of thinking, is some kind of treaty.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  There's something that just can't be broken, like, like, I mean, we gave assurances to Ukraine, we defend them in the nineties when they gave up the nuclear weapons and obviously.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  The Minsk, uh, is that the Minsk agreement?

• 28:00Speaker 04

  It's gotta be more ironclad than that.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  You have Russia part of the treaty, that's the problem.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  And President Putin, more like, and I hate generalizing entire country of Russia, but you know.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's Putin, right? It's, it's, yeah, let's not turn against entire.

• 28:20Speaker 05

  It gets back to be being prepared to enforce or doing bad things against Russia and, and really being prepared to follow through. And at no stage have we shown that we are willing to do that. And, um, you know, to, to make a point on the ceasefire, enforcing the ceasefire, the only way to enforce the ceasefire is to establish terms that both sides agree to unequivocally. And the only way that the Russians are going to agree unequivocally to anything is if what, what is the, the threats that they face for breaking that ceasefire are, are really damaging to them, A, and B, they believe

• 29:02Speaker 05

  that the US in particular will follow through on those threats. I mean, as you're going to have the most, two most powerful armies in Europe, combat experienced with, with the most, and, and, and the, on the Ukrainian side, certainly the best equipped militaries in Europe, facing each other over a, you know, a very short distance. I mean, you can't, you can't rely on a peacekeeping force to enforce that ceasefire. It has to be the terms of the agreement. And as Mick points out, that is what's going to be so complex about this.

• 29:40Speaker 10

  You think that, uh, if, I mean, I know it's not going to happen, but if tomorrow Ukraine is granted NATO membership, that that would be a game changer? Or do you think Putin is all in no matter what?

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Well, it really comes down to the willingness to, I mean, if, they won't be, because I think unfortunately, the US would veto it. In a way NATO membership works is any member can veto it. If you're members, we, I think it was Sweden that Turkey was holding out on because of some issue. But the whole point is as soon as they are part of NATO, then Article Five applies and any further aggression against Ukraine would mean they're fighting all of us.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  It also probably means they have to hard, like make the lines, like this is the actual, this is Ukraine now, this is Russia now.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Because it's in there also stipulation, I think that where if there are soldiers on the ground, like Article Five, like you mentioned, like automatically triggers. They're technically in your, in your country.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  And so for the, what is it, 30 members? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's, it might be more than that. Everyone has to agree. So everyone would have to, in this case, would have to say, not only do I want them in, I think most countries do, but it's a decision to go to war against Russia right now. So they would be making both decisions. And, you know, for my way of thinking, they need to start putting consequences on Russia, which means they should start planning how, if there's a ceasefire, like, okay, so how are these units going to work together and enforcing that ceasefire? How are they going to move into Ukraine? How are they going to integrate, at least in coordination wise, with the Ukrainian military? I think they ought to start doing that now for practical

• 31:26Speaker 04

  reasons, but also to show, to show Putin, this is happening. We're planning on it. And, and I know this might be controversial, I'd also say, I'd also put a line in the sand. Like, is there a place that Russia gets to when Europe decides no moss? Like, are they going to let him take key? I'm not saying it's going to happen anytime soon. I'm not saying it's ever going to happen. But when is Europe going to say, okay, we're willing to contribute troops to prevent Ukraine from being taken over entirely? Right? Because now, every, all the West, including the US, is just reacting to what Putin wants.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  We need to start hitting, having him react to what we are saying we want and what we're going to do.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Milburn?

• 32:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, you know, it gets back to, I guess, we were talking a lot about this summit, but the question remains, what was the summit even about? You know, we're in,

• 32:30Speaker 05

  we certainly in no better position than it is from the US standpoint than we were before this summit. We seem to have even less leverage because we have shown such extraordinary deference to Putin. I mean, you know, I know we keep getting back to the optics, but they were really, they were really harmful to the United States. The United States' position as appearing as a, I mean, in part, not even, didn't even portray us as being impartial in this, is my point. You know, of course, we should be leaning towards Ukraine as the invaded country. And I think, I

• 33:13Speaker 05

  mean, for me, again, I mean, you see endless churn about what was accomplished, what was discussed. You know, this memo was found in the Captain Cook Hotel and reporters are poring over it to glean some substantive insights into what occurred. And it appears to be just kind of a, you know, a protocol direction.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  For the lunch, though, that didn't happen. Like, why didn't that lunch happen?

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I think what here's what I think, I don't know, but here's what I think happened.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Speculate.

• 33:48Speaker 05

  You had this extraordinary reception, which didn't have to happen. You know, I mean, diplomatically, the right thing to do would have been to give Putin quite a cold reception. We didn't have to do literally the red carpet, the F-22s, you know, the arch of, kind of that extraordinary arch, the flyover. I mean, all of that stuff was just weird. And I tell you, if I'd been one of the military commanders ordered to do that, I would have.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  I would have, I would have felt, now I'm just glad I wasn't in that position.

• 34:26Speaker 05

  I mean, and I think probably someone realized during the summit, hey, this is, this is going south for us. This is not looking good. When I say us, I'm talking collectively as the US. And so that's why you kind of saw this scripted, I think, press conference afterwards, and the plans afterwards for dinner and all of this were.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  It was a working lunch, that was what it was called.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  A lunch, yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 10

  I was kind of hoping that.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  I hope someone realized that it was not looking good.

• 34:59Speaker 10

  Yeah, I was kind of hoping at the last minute that we'd get that WWE music and then Zelensky would come shooting off a plane. You know, and just, yeah, just walk into the whole thing and disrupt it.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  It also kind of looks like, you know, okay, Trump had his three hour meeting with Putin and then he goes and reports back to the, to Zelensky and the European leaders. It's like, why are we giving Putin any kind of like reporting anything and I, and Frank, like giving him any kind of lead on this? And frankly, what I think is going to happen, why they kind of pivoted from ceasefire to full peace deal, is because they want to get it out there. They're like, oh, Putin actually wants peace. And when the Zelensky and the EU leaders are like, this is crazy, what he's asking for, he's being ridiculous, like he has been for the last three years. They could kind of paint it on like Zelensky to being like, oh, you know what? You really don't want peace.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  That's my speculation as to what Russia would like. And I can't even begin to try and like, understand what Trump wants, frankly. What are your thoughts? Mick, you go first.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  So I do think tomorrow is going to be hopefully a very productive day on because the European leaders have to be there. They're the primary ones that are going to be enforcing any kind of security guarantees. Gittkoff just said on television that the US was going to be part of the security, which is why I'm saying that was positive. I mean, he's unless that's not the case, but I he's a spokesperson, he's a special envoy. So but tomorrow, I think, needs to be a lot behind the scenes. Like, what do we what are we all collectively trying to get to with President Zelensky in the lead on what he could accept? And probably equally important, what he

• 36:54Speaker 04

  could actually sell to the Ukrainian people, right? Because he's not making these decisions ultimately. He's the best position to represent, obviously, is democratically elected leader of Ukraine. But he can't even just go in there and slap the table and say this is the deal. So he needs to and we need to not put that out there. That's why I'm saying he's to be behind the scenes. Like, they need to collect like, what is Europe actually willing to do? What is US actually willing to do? What does President Zelensky think is acceptable to him? And does he think he can actually sell to the Ukrainian people? And then don't tell anybody, which I know is going to be almost a possibility, because you don't want your your like hard and

• 37:34Speaker 04

  fast negotiation of milestones to be known. Not only do you not want to give away things like NATO membership and US boots on the ground before you actually enter the negotiations, but you don't want to actually say what your your bottom line is. And I think that everybody should know that. And then everybody should keep it mum. And then the consequences should be discussed. Okay, so we want to have a trilateral meeting with Putin and Zelensky, being the basically the primaries and US, you know, facilitating it if they need us to do it, or they could get the Europeans to do it. And then and then if Putin doesn't show any progress, consequences have to

• 38:17Speaker 04

  happen, or he'll meet, you know, he'll have the red carpet rolled out for him every month, as long as he can keep his war going, and make it look like that he's he's advancing it. So there has to be consequences, and we have to get all of our stuff in one sock.

• 38:34Speaker 05

  It's hard to imagine how

• 38:37Speaker 05

  both sides could go to a peace agreement without a ceasefire, which is what now the US stance is, based on what Putin has said. I mean, it's, how do you do that? It's

• 38:52Speaker 05

  it's extraordinary. The other thing, you know, I mean, there's so many extraordinary things about this was in this call to NATO, to Zelensky and then NATO leaders, apparently, what is being reported is that either Witkoff or Trump reported that Putin had said, hey, look, I can take the rest of the Netsk region and any other areas where where the fighting is taking place, he means the south, I can take any area I want in Ukraine. And I was thinking, hey, well, of course Putin's saying that, but if he could do that, why wouldn't he do that? You know, is he just, is he just like taking that

• 39:37Speaker 05

  all those casualties just because he can and he doesn't, he's too nice to take territory? I mean, what, first of all, so that's an extraordinary thing for Putin to say if he said it and B, why, why would we repeat that NATO leaders? It's not like they're gonna say, oh, wow, we didn't, we had no idea.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  It's just crazy.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, so we'll see what, how it goes. I hope it'd be interesting to watch, like, there was no, no, uh, no questions asked by reporters. There were reporters screaming questions at Putin and stuff when they were taking the photos prior to the summit. There were no questions afterwards at the press conference, like, but what's it gonna look like tomorrow? With all those European leaders, you know, are they gonna be open for questions? It's gonna be like, you know, the normal, like, how it's been for the Trump administration at Oval Office, kinda like pow-wow gaggle, whatever of a just like where they're just, they're basically like just rap, rap sessioning, it's just like a jam session, like, anything goes.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  It'll be kind of interesting. There will be a lot of them. So I think it's going to get a little bit crowded in the Oval Office.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I do, I did want to add one thing that, you know, I'm half British and so.

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• 41:52Speaker 05

  Both the British half of me sees a, something positive coming out of this. There's, there is a European assertiveness coming to the fore that has not been there for many years. You know, arguably not since the Second World War. By that I mean, you know, Starmer and Macron in particular are becoming respected leaders. Well, they, I mean, you can say what you like about them, but they are, they are center stage now in substantive issues. And going, so, and again, it's, I mean, the proof will be tomorrow and tomorrow's discussion, see how it pans out. But I

• 42:33Speaker 05

  think, I think they're coming with armed with a worst case scenario of, hey, look, US, if you're not on board with what we're saying, and, and with, with a path to peace, having to involve the ceasefire, having to involve all these things. If you're not on board with this, the war will continue, and we're quite capable of supporting Ukraine without your help. I think that's what's going to happen. And, you know, so again, it gets back to, yeah, that's, that's kind of positive. We've been.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Certainly financially, we've been trying to get European nations to step up to the play when it comes to the defense of Europe, and now they're willing to do it. But unfortunately, we, the United States, don't seem to be leading that. We don't seem to be on the same train. I hope, I hope I'm wrong.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Mike, you were starting to say something. What were you, what was your thought?

• 43:35Speaker 04

  Well, that's why I was, you know, we were talking about how this would be a giant media scrum gaggle tomorrow. That's why I'm advocating to say basically just clear statements of support to Ukraine. We're working out our side of it. We're not going to tell you what it is, because it doesn't, it's not to our own advantage. You don't see Russia, you know, they just say maximalist stuff, but they're not, they're not talking about their internal discussions, and maybe they don't even have them, because it's, you know, an autocracy. But we need to be much more circumspect about what we're saying collectively to the media, even though I'm an analyst in the media. They don't need to, we don't need to know everything. We want this to actually work.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  And sometimes giving away everything we're willing to do and not do is not beneficial to our part of the negotiations. And then, again, and I think Andy just said it, Europe needs to be ready to, you know, not just be the guy sitting around the speakerphone, listening to everything that just happened. They need to be in the room. I mean, they're the ones that are going to move troops into Ukraine to support the ceasefire. And they're the ones, and I didn't just come up with this, they're the ones actually talking about, well, what is our red line? Are we going to let, you know, if, worst case scenario, are we going to let Russia take all of Ukraine? Or are we going to, we're going to decide that, you know, that's not going to be the case? You know, you're going to be at Chamberlain or at Churchill here.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  So I hope tomorrow, they just come out, full support, they basically explain without giving details that we're on the same sheet of music, and then they're ready for the trilateral, multinational, right? Include... The UK and France, and they have more than a right to have a seat at the table. They're the ones that are gonna put their troops into arms' way. And it's their backyard too, right? Like their backyard. They don't need, they don't need permission. I mean, this is their sovereign country and it's their, they just, I would agree, they are certainly stepping up. Um, across Europe, Germany, I mean, like a lot of my German friends are sending me memes about how Europe is now demanding that Germany build a

• 45:50Speaker 04

  large standing army and be prepared to march across Europe. But, um, they have, you know, they, they've, they've changed their perspective on, and this is all, this, this all goes through a massive strategic mistake by President Putin. Right? So he invaded a country that's 28 times smaller in landmass, four times smaller in uh, population. It's been three and a half years, over three and a half years, and he's taken about 19% of the country. He's also caused NATO to expand by two more countries at the 32 now, I guess. And, uh, he's gotten every country in NATO to wanna spend more on their own defense because of him.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  So his, he can, he writes the history books in Russia, but he doesn't write the history books. The history books are gonna look at this as a huge strategic mistake. Uh, and we need to make it, uh, an even larger one.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well said.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  Wars become a, uh, the wars become a uh, an instrument of political control for him at home. Silencing opposition, still these laws that have come out about, you know, if you criticize the war on the Russian army, you can go to jail for five years. And he realizes that his

• 47:12Speaker 05

  his reputation, his legacy is staked through this war. You know, and that is why the the consequences for him of not toeing the line when it comes to what the West wants in regards to a ceasefire and peace agreement. The consequences have to be really bad. Because he already, he already sees, he already perceives the fact that if he turns, you know, if he comes back with less than

• 47:47Speaker 05

  owning all the train that he has, you know, that they've already owned all these things that he has said, if he comes back less than that, there are going to be elements of the Russian population sizable elements that that start questioning

• 48:03Speaker 05

  why this war happened in the first place, right?

• 48:08Speaker 04

  They should be questioning that now with nine hundred and fifty thousand

• 48:10Speaker 05

  They certainly should.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Whole generation of Russian

• 48:14Speaker 05

  I'm sure. You know, I'm sure they are, but the but the opposition has been remarkably silent to this point.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  It's also kind of scary though, just to see like, you know, there's a possibility of like Europe going yet alone without the US, how that's like a possibility where like it's, I think Europe should take the lead on this because it is their backyard, but the fact that hopefully the US and Europe tomorrow with Ukraine and Zelensky can get there can start, you know, singing off the same sheet of music, right? Like and be united in terms of what they want from Putin.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  And support for Ukraine seems to be going up in the US. Every poll I've seen indicates that distrust and actual hatred, if you will, for Putin is very high.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  It's encouraging. It is. I think Democrats, it's like ninety three percent completely distrust and disapprove of Putin and eighty eight percent of Republicans and independents per SOP are somewhere in the middle, right? So that's also pretty unheard of in in modern.

• 49:29Speaker 05

  What is amazing is still twelve percent of the American public, twelve seven percent that who support him, like what? How can that be?

• 49:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 05

  But, you know, I mean.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  That's another rabbit hole to you they really dig into and be like, what is, what is going on in the United States in terms of like what they support in. There, you know, 12% is 30 plus million, you know, if you run the math or, you know, even more. Yeah, it's, it's head scratching.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  It is head scratching.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  I mean, I, I still, you know, I still hear arguments from people who are otherwise intelligence about, intelligent about, you know, how the US has been duped into supporting Ukraine with all this, you know, all these arm and arms and everything. Guys who were not at all outraged, well, perhaps were temporarily outraged by the way that Afghanistan went down after 20 years of us pouring blood and treasure into that country for nothing. I cannot recognize the fact that we have spent only money, the US have spent only money

• 50:40Speaker 05

  in really creating a, um, in, in delivering a devastating blow to Russia via our proxy, Ukraine, you know, I mean, that from, from a pure US standpoint, it's a sample of US interests, that was, that was a remarkable feat and all we did was spend money. And yet there are still knuckleheads who, who think that, that, you know, Phil was, start talking as though we were cheated.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Right. I mean, our strength is relative, right? I mean, that's the same people, how much we spent on our national defense and they're probably, I guess, wouldn't even know.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  No.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  But if we, if we're spending money to seriously degrade Russia's military capability, which we are, our strength goes up relative to theirs. So it's, you could take, I think we have a moral and ethical obligation to defend democracy around the world, but even if you don't, even if you're just America first, this is America, this is advantages, the United States of America, it means all the, all those 950,000 casualties, if we were to go to war with Russia, wouldn't be available to fight us. All the tanks, all the armored personnel carriers, all the aircraft, all that stuff that, that Ukraine has managed to take off the battlefield, literally, is not going to

• 52:00Speaker 04

  go up against the United States if we were to have a conflict with them. So it's not charity as President Zelensky has said.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  I think folks are just kind of susceptible to, uh, you know, ten word kind of answer or like a Tik Tok one minute thing with like a graph that says two hundred billion or three hundred billion like meaning and and they equate it to oh. If that three hundred billion didn't go there, which is not the number, uh, it would have been in my pocket or I would have had some, I would have gotten some kind of. Chair, you know, carry.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  They're also buying our stuff.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true too. And majority of the stuff, it wasn't like we're sending pallets of cash to them. It was like. Artillery, it's it's equipment and stuff like that, stuff we were going to decommission, especially early on. It's like. What do we do? You know, I understand. I understand if the American electorate, the American people were pissed because we sent a hundred thousand guys there. I understand that, especially after twenty plus years of the GWAN, you know, Afghanistan and Iraq. But that's not the case. And six, you know, hundred fifty billion to like literally decimate the. The Russian army and also do the right thing too. Let's put that on top of it, right? Like Ukraine didn't do anything. They got invaded.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  Is not exactly, that's a fucking rounding error in our deficit and national debt.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're over a trillion dollars.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  Benefits too, when it comes to armaments. I mean, it's, it was a research and development laboratory. I mean, I know this sounds cynical, but it was for many of our weapons systems. And it showed the world, you know, whether or not this is fair, uh, but a lot of countries that that had been all out on buying. Soviet era or Russian made equipment associate now that equipment with being it being destroyed by Western weapon systems. And so. You know, there's, it it's had kind of a shift in the way the world views, uh, not just military power, but. The, you know, Ukraine siding with the with, uh, the, I mean, the West siding with Ukraine, providing Ukraine, uh, with.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  With all these systems from Storm Shadow to Atacams, HIMARS, uh, that have just devastated, uh. It had a devastating effect, yes, short term, but devastating short term simply because we didn't give them enough. Has been a great laboratory and a kind of exposure to the world of some of the weaknesses in in Russian military equipment, doctrine, training, tactics, all of the above.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  You were saying something, sorry, you got cut off.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  I don't remember what it was.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  All right.

• 54:46Speaker 04

  But I agree with Andy.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, whenever in doubt, just agree with Andy. That's what I do.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  That's the rule for my wife, not Andy.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  That's probably a better move, yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  I mean, I mean, I would say this, you know, we over, we have a tendency to overestimate our adversaries, right? Turn them into, because I mean, an analyst is never going to get yelled at for, for that. They get yelled at, I assume, for like, underestimating.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  But Russia's proven to be not very good at fighting, you know? That's why they're always talking about nuclear weapons. I think they even see, like, conventionally, holy mackerel, like, the Ukraine basically was a David and Goliath scenario, and David's still fighting, you know?

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  David's still fighting, and Goliath is, is turned out not to be Goliath. So that's why they always talk, it's, it's, they're, they're, as soon as they start seeing that this, that everybody can see that they're not as strong as we thought, they start talking about nuclear weapons. So I don't say we even engage with that anymore. You can let Medvedev, whatever his name is, just say stuff like that. We need to focus on ending the conflict and then understanding once and for all that NATO has a significant role to play in the future of protecting democracies, including our own. I think this has made

• 56:14Speaker 04

  it clear that it's not obsolete. It's not something that just won the Cold War. It's something that is beneficial to all the countries that are in it, and they need to play a part, you know, to promote Trump's points. It's not just get behind the US and we'll protect everybody. We will, but you gotta do your part. You gotta bring, you gotta bring your game to the, to the fight. And that means to build up your own defenses, which now they clearly are.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  In standing unified when it comes to the autocracies of the world like Putin and and showing unifying unity.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:02:18Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:02:23Speaker 08

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:02:29Speaker 06

  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:02:57Speaker 06

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:03:11Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:03:22Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:03:28Speaker 08

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

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