Encounters x313 - College Hauntings

What’s scarier than midterms, tuition bills, and questionable life choices? Haunted colleges, obviously. In this episode, we kick off the new year by canceling the bills (manifesting ✨), embracing the chaos of college nostalgia, and diving into stories of dorm rooms, sorority houses, and campuses everywhere that are absolutely crawling with spirits. Stories include: A dorm room “prank” that turns terrifying when a shadow perfectly mimics a real student who never left his bedroom A haunted sorority house where mysterious porcelain dolls appear—and a fedora-wearing man watches from under the bed A campus legend involving a long-dead butter-producing cow Historic campuses with Revolutionary-era spirits, footsteps between floors, and encounters that feel personal rather than threatening Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited by Jaimi Ryan and produced by Emma Leventer and Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:39Corinne Vien?

  Happy New Year.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Happy New Year.

• 2:41Corinne Vien?

  2026. What are your... Actually, never mind. I don't do those.

• 2:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I know. I was like, I don't want them.

• 2:47Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 2:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I resolve whenever it's time to resolve throughout the year.

• 2:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I follow-

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  I put pressure on ourselves immediately.

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is what I love about the moon cycle. Like, if you feel so inclined to be a little witchy, with every new moon cycle, you can do like, an intention setting, a look at where you are, reset. It's not about the new year, it's about what feels right to you.

• 3:10Corinne Vien?

  Also, like, we don't need to give another piece of homework and more tasks to ourselves.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No. There's enough pressure in life.

• 3:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 3:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally, life is way too complicated.

• 3:20Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were not meant to deal with the things that we deal with.

• 3:24Corinne Vien?

  No, and I feel like it's impossible. This, oh, this is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 3:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghost sisters. That is Corinne.

• 3:32Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 3:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm Sabrina, and this is the first encounters of 2026. Makes me wanna vomit saying that number.

• 3:40Corinne Vien?

  But I was gonna say, it feels like, we've talked for so long about, I don't know if this is what you still want, but it's definitely what I want for myself, in my personal life. Like, the slow life, where it's like, kind of like, it feels like it's the 90s again. Like, I want my childhood, again, repeated, where it's like, all the noise, all the chaos, like, things just feel slower and more intentional, and like, you get to live in the moment, and-

• 4:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Running outside.

• 4:04Corinne Vien?

  There's just less to do, and less to see, and less to talk about. But I feel like, I can never get there, cuz it feels like, as soon as I like-

• 4:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's impossible.

• 4:12Corinne Vien?

  Think of getting somewhere, there's like seventeen other things that get stacked on top of it, that pulls you away from that.

• 4:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, let's make everyone have all the money in the world, and we don't worry about taxes, we don't worry about paying bills. I think that's the solution. No more bills.

• 4:30Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 4:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cancel the bills.

• 4:32Corinne Vien?

  Cancel the bills.

• 4:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And let's all just sit and tell ghost stories. I think that should be the new goal in life. No bills.

• 4:39Corinne Vien?

  Pivot away from life complaints and straight into the dead.

• 4:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, exactly. And, we have a theme. You just got lost in Sven's eyes.

• 4:48Corinne Vien?

  Well, because this started bothering me. Sven has a loose plastic hanging out of the roof of his mouth, but it's, I can't get it.

• 4:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Keep your mouth shut.

• 4:56Corinne Vien?

  Yucks, Sven.

• 4:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's got, he's got some plaque.

• 4:59Corinne Vien?

  Control over your tissues.

• 5:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think he has any tissue left. We have a theme. It's encounters from college.

• 5:07Corinne Vien?

  Ooh, good old haunted universities where Sabrina and I met.

• 5:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you're gonna go first.

• 5:12Corinne Vien?

  Yes, I am.

• 5:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was thinking, as I was in the bathroom before this episode, about how long ago college was, and I'm not even, I can't even say it. I don't want people to know. Since we graduated.

• 5:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I was like, wait, it's been longer than that, since we graduated.

• 5:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Bleep that out, though, Jamie. I don't want people to know. I don't want ages.

• 5:31Corinne Vien?

  It's interesting, because I was actually thinking yesterday about how if I could redo college with the knowledge that I have now, I actually would. Because I feel like a lot of the mistakes and regrets I have from that time period were not learning moments. They were just terrible decisions that had nothing to do with my growth or who I was or could be. It was just, I consumed way too much alcohol.

• 5:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But don't you think you could say you learned that you don't like consuming alcohol from those experiences?

• 6:02Corinne Vien?

  I think that came with maturity, anyway.

• 6:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:05Corinne Vien?

  But I would have gone back, because I think the things that happened didn't change me, weren't for the better, and only hurt people that I still love. So I would go back and do it, only if I could do it with the knowledge I have now.

• 6:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would go back to do it just to do what we asked for in the beginning of this episode, less adult cares in the world. Less bills, I mean, no college as expensive as heck.

• 6:28Corinne Vien?

  Except for the bill was sixty thousand dollars a year to go to Loyola University.

• 6:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Universally.

• 6:35Corinne Vien?

  Universally.

• 6:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we learned how to speak there.

• 6:38Corinne Vien?

  Yep.

• 6:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're going first.

• 6:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this is called Caleb's Shadow. Hi, Corinne and Sabrina. My name is Bree, she/her, and I'm a new listener of the podcast. Absolutely perfect to get into around the Halloween season. I have a spooky story from college, so here we go. It was the summer of 2014 and I was going into my senior year of college in downtown Chicago. I will say my one complaint with all the stories that I picked out, I don't think anyone told us their actual university. It's just stories from their college, but we don't know where they are. But here we have a clue. Downtown Chicago. Okay. I was an RA and me and a handful of my other RA friends volunteered to spend the summer in one of the dorms hosting students over break in exchange for free housing. That is a great deal. I started to afford college. I'd never lived in this dorm, but it was long rumored to be haunted.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  I've always believed in the possibility of spirits and the supernatural, but I'd never really had an encounter myself, so I didn't think twice about it. One night, my roommate and I were having a movie night, a sleepover in our friend's room. My roommate Sarah and I slept on the air mattress in the living room while our friends Nick and Caleb were asleep in their shared bedroom. In the middle of the night, I feel Sarah tossing and turning next to me and moaning, "Stop, knock it off." I asked them what was wrong and they said, "Caleb keeps trying to tickle my feet." Caleb, knock it off. Our friend Caleb is a notorious prankster, so it wasn't a complete surprise that he was messing with us. A moment later, I started to feel really cold air on my feet and a tug on the side of the blanket. I told him to knock it off because I was trying to sleep.

• 8:08Corinne Vien?

  Eventually I turned around and I didn't see anyone at the foot of the mattress, but Sarah told me, "He just ran into the kitchen." The kitchen was a few feet in front of us and it was to the right, so it was blocked off by a wall, but you could see the entryway from where we were sleeping. "All right Caleb, you can come out now," I yelled from bed. I saw Caleb's silhouette, a complete shadow, quickly walking forward out of the kitchen and then back step back in. Caleb has a very distinct silhouette, a very pointed nose, round belly and quiffed hair, so I was sure that it was him. Sarah and I both kept yelling at him from the air mattress to come out and stop pranking us. But he never reemerged from the kitchen.

• 8:48Corinne Vien?

  So eventually I got fed up. I got out of bed and I walked into the kitchen. It was dead empty. I thought I'd been seeing things, but Sarah told me that she had also seen Caleb walking in and out of the kitchen. So we both looked around for a moment in the kitchen and then around the hallway, expecting him to pop out and scare us, but nobody was there. We nervously went to the side of the apartment and knocked on the bedroom door. Caleb and Nick had both been in there the entire time. And with the arrangement of the apartment, he would have had to pass through the living room where we were sleeping to get back to his bedroom if he was in fact breaking us. So we definitely would have seen him. But Caleb had never left that room after going to bed. The four of us were now absolutely freaked out. We stayed up for another two hours watching Friends

• 9:33Corinne Vien?

  to calm our minds. Sarah and I slept on the floor between the boys' beds because we were way too afraid to be in the living room. And we never stayed the night in their apartment again. And I couldn't have been more grateful to move out of that dorm by the end of the summer. I hope you enjoyed reading and thank you for considering this story for your show. See you on the other side, Bree.

• 9:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, it's terrifying in the sense that you don't want this to happen to you, but it's also playful. And I'm curious about this entity. Like, it doesn't seem like it's a bad entity.

• 10:00Corinne Vien?

  No, but it's also quite well.

• 10:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who was it?

• 10:03Corinne Vien?

  And also the fact that it was like mimicking Caleb's silhouette. If he had such a distinct, such distinct features and like the way that

• 10:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if it was like

• 10:10Corinne Vien?

  the shadow was shaped.

• 10:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A spirit attached to Caleb, like a family member or someone that looks.

• 10:15Corinne Vien?

  What if Caleb was actually projecting in the middle of the night?

• 10:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's like, all I want to do is tickle their feet.

• 10:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. What if he was like lucid dreaming and didn't realize? Maybe didn't remember when he woke up?

• 10:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My cousin, Jason, who we met at the North Carolina show, who like infamously doesn't believe in ghosts.

• 10:32Corinne Vien?

  He's not my favorite cousin of yours.

• 10:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He, only because of that. Every time I see him, he goes, so you have a new ghost story? So I saw him at my mom's 50th birthday immediately. So Sabrina, any new ghost stories to share? And I was like, I told him the sleep paralysis in Edinburgh. And he goes, I've had sleep paralysis before. It's weird. And I was like, excuse me?

• 10:56Corinne Vien?

  Classic.

• 10:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was like, how do you explain that? He goes, I don't know.

• 10:59Corinne Vien?

  Chemicals in your brain, man. We all see the same creatures.

• 11:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, he definitely thinks it's weird, but like, well, he doesn't not believe in ghosts. I think he just hasn't had an experience and he wants to have one.

• 11:10Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 11:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it reminds me of that.

• 11:12Corinne Vien?

  Watching people who do believe in ghosts.

• 11:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Try to fight them. Oh, he is a pot stirrer. If I ever knew one.

• 11:20Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And the bear is me and the bear is actually Sasquatch. The bear is anywhere, cuz I will throw rocks at you. You don't wanna pick this bear.

• 11:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll always pick you. Um, speaking of bear, I actually picked this story for you. And it's from a sister of yours.

• 11:38Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 11:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Alpha Phi. And didn't you guys do a little like, didn't you have like Alpha Phi bear or something like that?

• 11:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you do your bear ears and then you go, my other hand's holding coffee, so I won't do it. But the Alpha Phi. So one hand's here.

• 11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just always remember you guys did the Alpha Phi bear ears.

• 11:55Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. Was the bear our mask on or something? We all did bear ears. And you were Theta, which is us.

• 12:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or if you were me, I thought it was a fake mustache.

• 12:02Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so bear must have been ours cuz you did kite too.

• 12:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, kite was our like symbol.

• 12:06Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so we must have, but the ivy was our symbol. You know what? Who knows? I was such a bad Alpha Phi that I ran for office. That's what you call it.

• 12:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:16Corinne Vien?

  Became chaplain and then cut the initiation. I edited it cuz I was like, this is way too long. It was ceremony. And I made it efficient expedited. I got those girls in and out real quick.

• 12:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, thank you for talking about initiation because this story brings up initiation. This is from our listener and your sister, Michaela.

• 12:36Corinne Vien?

  Sista.

• 12:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sista. And it's called Haunted Sorority House Alpha Phi. Hi, I just started listening to your podcast and I am hooked and trying to catch up. I'm currently listening to episode seventy-eight, Sister Sister, which discusses haunted sorority and fraternity houses, which I'm taking as a sign to share my story. I rushed in twenty seventeen, accepting a bid and then moving into the house in twenty eighteen, which was never my original plan. It was truly last minute. I was asked to take a room on the first floor with a girl named Lauren. Not her real name, since I have not asked her permission if I could share this, but.

• 13:10Corinne Vien?

  Wait, that, that. Leads me to ask you, did you always, like, did you go into college knowing that you were gonna rush a sorority?

• 13:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Honestly, I watched the show Greek.

• 13:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In high school and it was one of my, I absolutely have to do Greek life.

• 13:26Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 13:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And LMU happened to be the school that I fell in love with and it's like one of the only Jesuit schools that also has Greek life.

• 13:34Corinne Vien?

  And our Greek life was not traditional Greek life. We don't have houses.

• 13:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's no houses.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  There's no Greek row.

• 13:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's no Greek row and it's very like.

• 13:41Corinne Vien?

  It's like joining an organization.

• 13:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like we're in different sororities, but we're still.

• 13:44Corinne Vien?

  Most of our friend group was, it was DG, Theta, Alpha Phi.

• 13:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were a mixed group.

• 13:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I had no, I had never put any thought to, cause my mom wasn't in a sorority, my dad was a Lannock. And had a lot of scary stories from those days.

• 13:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 13:57Corinne Vien?

  So I can't say it was like enticing, but then at LMU, one of the unique things is you don't rush your first semester. So you have a full semester and then people rush their second semester.

• 14:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I did like that.

• 14:10Corinne Vien?

  All of our friends were rushing, so I was like, I guess I will too.

• 14:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, cause like some, some schools.

• 14:14Corinne Vien?

  Because everyone else was doing it, I did it too, situation.

• 14:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Peer pressure.

• 14:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I jumped off the bridge.

• 14:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Some schools, literally like you go before school even started to go rush, which is crazy. Yeah.

• 14:24Corinne Vien?

  That's so scary.

• 14:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it was a very different experience for us.

• 14:27Corinne Vien?

  I would do one of those like semesters at C or something to avoid that.

• 14:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that. Okay, so Lauren and Michaela move in together. Lauren's not the real name. Lauren and I were not close and we had extremely different lives. She was a homebody and I spent more nights at my then boyfriend's place than I did at the sorority house. Anyway, after moving in, we participated in rush and weirdly uncovered porcelain dolls in our ceremony closet. These dolls were never in there before. We have no idea how we got there.

• 15:01Corinne Vien?

  As chaplain of Alpha Phi, I can tell you that porcelain dolls are not a part of it.

• 15:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 15:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were all terrified, but we put them back where we found them in hopes to not disturb whatever could be attached. Unfortunately, that did not work. Preference round, I had a, I love this because as I read this, I was like, my brain already, because it was, it's an abbreviation, it's PNM, but I immediately, potential new member.

• 15:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wait, what is it?

• 15:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  PNM, potential new member.

• 15:28Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I thought you meant it was, didn't stand for that. And I was like, then what else?

• 15:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no, like, but she didn't write that.

• 15:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just knew.

• 15:34Corinne Vien?

  PNM's, potential new members.

• 15:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So preference round, I had a potential new member tell me that she watched a book fall off a shelf behind me during my speech. It made me want to throw up, but that was not even the worst experience. In the house, we regularly heard walking, vacuuming, and our heavy chapter room doors opening and closing being slammed shut, which we were able to kind of brush off after arguing in the group chat about who was causing it. What really made me feel super sick was when Lauren decided to go home for a weekend and left me alone in our double. That night, I had the most uneasy feeling on the first floor, like the entire floor I felt so uneasy in. It was as if someone is in the house that shouldn't have been there, and they were watching.

• 16:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I brushed this off as me being stupid and I went to bed. That night, I woke up to hearing tapping on our wall slash window frame. I looked to where the sound was coming from, and I saw a tall man in a hat under Lauren's lofted bed, sitting in the futon. I couldn't see his face, but he was in a pinstripe suit with a fedora. I could not move my legs, I couldn't say anything. It felt like I just had to sit there, lay there, and watch him watching me for hours.

• 16:48Corinne Vien?

  That's awful.

• 16:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The next morning, Lauren came home and I immediately told her something weird happened last night. But before I could get any details out, she stopped me and said, is it the man under my bed?

• 16:59Corinne Vien?

  The fuck.

• 17:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If I wasn't already scared, I was now shitting my pants. She told me it happens whenever I'm not there.

• 17:06Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 17:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the first time it felt so real that she got up and swung her hair straightener under the bed, denting the wall because she was trying to hit him. But there was no one there, the straightener hit the wall.

• 17:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, this is so scary, especially because not to like immediately go to like mur- murderers, but like.

• 17:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 17:24Corinne Vien?

  Ed Kemper, Ted Bundy, like you think of all the examples of like these terrible people going after.

• 17:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Golden State Killer, like standing out to the window, you know, like it's just, yeah. We also realized our dreams were the exact same. So we asked the girl on the single next to us and she said she hears tapping, but never saw anything or anything else weird. She just assumed it was one of us tapping. We truly never got an answer to as to why this happened or what it was. But we never let the others sleep alone in that house again. Thanks for reading. Um, I have loads of other stories, like the girl under the stairs at my grandma's house, or visiting my friend at Ohio University where the campus sits in the middle of five cemeteries, which create the shape of a pentagram. Love the podcast, can't wait to eventually catch up, Michaela.

• 18:11Corinne Vien?

  That is freaking terrifying.

• 18:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And to have no answer. And also the weird, the fact that it all started around these dolls appearing in the ceremony closet.

• 18:20Corinne Vien?

  I almost forgot about that detail. I did forget about that detail.

• 18:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, and I feel like Michaela probably didn't think anything of it, but then looking back, it's like, oh, this is kind of when everything started.

• 18:31Corinne Vien?

  And one sister was like a haunted artifact lover, bringing things in and no one else knew. So creepy.

• 18:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also wonder what those dolls looked like. They were probably very creepy.

• 18:40Corinne Vien?

  Did you have a house mother? Didn't people have house mothers when they had like actual sorority homes?

• 18:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that a real thing?

• 18:46Corinne Vien?

  I think so, because we went to, for Alpha Phi when I was chaplain, we did, because we didn't have a house, we did initiation at the USC Alpha Phi house. They like let us borrow.

• 18:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the like house mother lives in the house?

• 18:59Corinne Vien?

  I think so. I, I met a house mother. I met some forty-five-year-old woman.

• 19:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I couldn't imagine, I couldn't imagine living in a college house.

• 19:11Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 19:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  As a grown adult.

• 19:13Corinne Vien?

  That's the worst.

• 19:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's awful.

• 19:15Corinne Vien?

  You have to be the heaviest sleeper. You have to give zero shits.

• 19:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, I could never do it.

• 19:20Corinne Vien?

  Like, what's the motivation?

• 19:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Unless like your daughter, like unless you're like Rory and Lorelai Gilmore, like.

• 19:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 19:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which they would never be sorority girls, but that's like the only reason I could be like, oh, that makes sense.

• 19:31Corinne Vien?

  I can't imagine ever doing that.

• 19:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If anyone knows how that works, please let us know. I'm so excited. I'm getting my whole body MRI scan from Prenuvo in a couple of weeks.

• 19:41Corinne Vien?

  It's honestly so important. It's like one of those things where getting older and aging has provided me so many anxieties about like what's going on.

• 19:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I recently had some medical issues in my family and everyone in my family is like, let's just do everything we can to get ahead and take our own health into our own hands. Prenuvo's whole body scan is a radiation free MRI designed to help provide a detailed, non-invasive look at your body in under an hour. And it helps evaluate across major organs and systems, including the brain, spine, abdomen, pelvis, and more. Prenuvo's whole body scan can help detect many cancers, aneurysms, and hundreds of other conditions. And they have memberships that bundle MRI scans, blood panels, and a personalized results review to track your health year after year.

• 20:22Corinne Vien?

  To learn more about Prenuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/tgog and use code T G O G. That's P R E N U V O dot com slash T G O G. Terms and conditions apply.

• 20:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Receive $300 off Prenuvo whole body scans and executive and comprehensive memberships through January 31st. For full details, visit Prenuvo's website to read their terms and conditions and privacy notice. Prenuvo gifted me a whole body scan. A Prenuvo scan is a screening service, not diagnostic. Diagnosis and treatment are determined by your healthcare provider. Two girls, one ghost. Two Girls, One Ghost is the most haunted podcast in America.

• 20:59Corinne Vien?

  Where each week we dive into all things strange, spooky, and supernatural and share stories of paranormal encounters from our community of listeners.

• 21:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Satisfy that spooky itch and entertain your inner witch with Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 21:11Corinne Vien?

  Listen now wherever you get your podcasts and check us out on YouTube at Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 21:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But be warned, side effects might include a haunting or two. Listen at your own risk.

• 21:22Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have, this is called Haunted Dorm Room Dorm and Cow Ghost.

• 21:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, now I know why you chose this one.

• 21:30Corinne Vien?

  For picking a story for me last time, but I picked this one also for me.

• 21:35Corinne Vien?

  Hi guys, you can call me Ben. I just listened to your podcast for the first time and I loved it. It made me want to share a story of my own. So here's some backstory on myself. I feel like I've always had some type of ability when it comes to the paranormal. And I've always been into spooky stuff. I always thought that maybe I could read energy from places and people specifically. But as a kid, I would experience the energy, particularly negative energy. So intensely that I would end up freaking out and have to be taken home from places.

• 22:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, that's so sad. But also, that's a good kid to have.

• 22:09Corinne Vien?

  Right, yeah, like read the, literally read the room, the energy. I also feel like I tend to attract out of the ordinary things happening to me, which I guess is what this story in particular is about. I finished my freshman year of college at North Dakota State University a few weeks ago. I really love the school and I'm excited to go back, but I had an array of strange experiences, especially at the start of the year. My first weird experience was in the first two weeks after moving in. I was writing a paper for one of my classes and my roommate was at one of his clubs that night. So I was home alone. It was probably around nine thirty or so. And I felt like I'd done enough work, so I took my headphones off and I was just gonna scroll on Instagram for a while.

• 22:52Corinne Vien?

  Maybe fifteen minutes go by and I started hearing really low male voices talking unintelligibly. Not that weird, but it definitely was not my roommate talking outside the door because his voice was not that low. It kept going on and I was trying to tell where it was coming from. And it felt like maybe it was an echo chamber in the room, these low, low male voices. So I went into the hallway. All the doors were shut. And when I came back in, the voices were gone. Everything was pretty normal for a while. But as the semester went on, more strange things began to happen. One weekend in October, I came back from somewhere or the other. And now, an important part to note is that my dorm room has no AC. There's no ventilation unless you bring a fan or you have a window open.

• 23:36Corinne Vien?

  I had these metallic hooks on my bed that I could put a lanyard, like my school ID, on. I did that, just like every other time, and went to go click around on my computer. A few seconds after, I hear something. And I turn around to see my lanyard had unhooked itself from the hook, flew across the room, hit my roommate's chair, and landed on the seat of that chair with no ventilation. Something picked it up and threw it six feet.

• 24:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, that's not like it just falling off the hook. That is...

• 24:05Corinne Vien?

  Also, I don't think a fan could blow it six feet.

• 24:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 24:08Corinne Vien?

  I just thought it was weird until me and one of my friends went on a haunted campus tour.

• 24:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would love...

• 24:16Corinne Vien?

  Let us do that?

• 24:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could you imagine if we went back to LMU to do a haunted campus tour?

• 24:22Corinne Vien?

  That's cool.

• 24:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That would be so fun.

• 24:24Corinne Vien?

  That would be...

• 24:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that the only thing that'll bring you back to LA?

• 24:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 24:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  LMU, if you're listening.

• 24:29Corinne Vien?

  If you want me to get on a plane and go to LA, that's the only way. At the end of the tour, they asked us if we had any ghost stories. I told them mine, and they asked what dorm I was in. I said the name, and they had a physical reaction, which told me that something had happened there. And unfortunately, there had been known suicides in that dorm.

• 24:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jeez.

• 24:52Corinne Vien?

  But that, in tandem with the two things, made me think that maybe something else had been at play. That friend I did the tour with had an experience too. Her dorm was supposed to be haunted by the namesake of it, but her spirit is angry because they gave the building her married name and not her maiden name.

• 25:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would be pissed about that, too.

• 25:11Corinne Vien?

  One night, past midnight, my friend heard heavy footsteps outside and went to go see what was going on. She said that at the end of the hallway, she saw a woman wearing a long dress with her hair tied up in a bun, walking down the hallway. And no one does that in the middle of the night during the week. She assumed it must be the ghost of the namesake of the building. And then there's this campus legend. It's more funny than scary.

• 25:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 25:33Corinne Vien?

  Years and years ago, the college had a cow that produced a lot of butter, like an entire college's usage. That's a really esteemed cow. Unfortunately, the cow ended up dying and they buried it somewhere on the campus. However, during that time, records were moved around and the record of where the cow was buried was lost. So there are now cow-

• 25:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it market?

• 25:55Corinne Vien?

  No. There are now cow bones somewhere. Beyond that, it is said that students who walk around on the south end of campus at night may hear mooing. And sometimes a spectral cow appears to them and wanders around campus.

• 26:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love this. I love this haunting.

• 26:12Corinne Vien?

  Perhaps trying to find where it is buried too.

• 26:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or is that an indication of where it's buried?

• 26:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, maybe. It's the south end, somewhere on the south end of campus. I've tried to see this cow, but I haven't yet. Thanks so much. I'm definitely gonna listen to your podcast more now, from Ben.

• 26:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm obsessed with this cow and this legend for the school. What a cool, unique story. I saw a video the other day where it was this man gave a gift to his wife, but it was like a push present. But it wasn't like a bag. It wasn't a, you know, like a material item. I mean, it was material in the sense that it was material, but he literally shipped, I wanna say it was like a six-pound block of butter from France, from France to their home. And then he put together this like beautiful little basket with like

• 27:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  baguettes, mustards, like so that they can make sandwiches and she like loves butter.

• 27:05Corinne Vien?

  God, that is such a good gift.

• 27:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. I was like, I kinda feel like that would be your go-to.

• 27:10Corinne Vien?

  Giant butter?

• 27:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Corinne Vien?

  Fuck me up.

• 27:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fuck me up.

• 27:15Corinne Vien?

  That's a great push present.

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is a haunted college.

• 27:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's a lot going on. It seems like every dorm is haunted, but I do, I would like to, okay, North Dakota State University, hold on. I did do a quick Google, cause I'm like, is this like in the middle of a city or a town? Because I'm so curious about the ghost tour. Like is it an on-campus offered ghost tour? Or is it just like a ghost tour in the town?

• 27:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the town.

• 27:37Corinne Vien?

  That they stop in front of the-

• 27:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What's the verdict?

• 27:40Corinne Vien?

  It is like in the middle of- A town.

• 27:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but that doesn't mean it's not a campus ghost tour.

• 27:47Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 27:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Should we look up the town and see if they do ghost tours?

• 27:49Corinne Vien?

  Wait, this is confusing though, because like all the buildings around say that they're a part of, Jesus Christ, how big is this university?

• 27:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The state school.

• 27:58Corinne Vien?

  Damn.

• 27:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is the town?

• 28:00Corinne Vien?

  I think it is the town.

• 28:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The town is the college?

• 28:02Corinne Vien?

  Uh huh.

• 28:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, we were talking about who would be a dorm or like a house mom. As you were telling me that story, I was thinking about, I remember my freshman year, I think it was, on like the top floor of our dorm at the very end of the hall, instead of like an RA, there was a teacher and his family living there and...

• 28:21Corinne Vien?

  Is that just because like they're, they put them up to be?

• 28:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think they, yeah, like it was housing for them.

• 28:26Corinne Vien?

  The teachers to come.

• 28:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I was thinking about that and I have a story that is from someone who grew up on a college.

• 28:34Corinne Vien?

  On a college? What?

• 28:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 28:36Corinne Vien?

  Man, what in the sweet life of Zach and Cody, like that is such a unique experience.

• 28:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is from our listener Maisy.

• 28:42Corinne Vien?

  I didn't know you could.

• 28:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's called Growing Up in a Haunted College Dorm: A Real Childhood Story. Hi, Corinne and Sabrina, could you imagine having people over to your house, be like, hey, I'm gonna have friends over, come to my college?

• 28:52Corinne Vien?

  Come to my college. Also, I feel like, honestly, like having, raising kids on a college campus also, in a way, feels very safe because just through gossip and everything, like all people on college, on the campus are gonna know.

• 29:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, the kids who live there, yeah.

• 29:08Corinne Vien?

  And so you have a million eyes and babysitters on your kids at all times.

• 29:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay. Hi, Corinne and Sabrina, my name is Maisy and I'm a huge fan of the podcast. I wanted to share a bundle of paranormal experiences from my early childhood.

• 29:21Corinne Vien?

  A bundle?

• 29:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All surrounded around a place that most people don't grow up in, a college dorm. From the late 90s into the early 2000s, my family lived on the first floor of a dormitory at Arizona Western College. My mom was the volleyball coach, my dad was the football coach and head resident, and that made the dorm our home.

• 29:43Corinne Vien?

  Wow. I'm so curious what the actual dorm looked like.

• 29:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow, we're gonna get some tidbits.

• 29:50Corinne Vien?

  When they go, when they do those like games or whatever in Harry Potter, and they all have those like little tents on the field, but then you enter the tent and it's like massive. That's what I'm picturing.

• 29:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, it was probably magical for a kid.

• 30:01Corinne Vien?

  Cause it's definitely bigger than a normal dorm.

• 30:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, they probably have multiple rooms.

• 30:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 30:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably not.

• 30:06Corinne Vien?

  It's like an apartment.

• 30:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it probably doesn't have all the bells and whistles. But yeah. Actually, when I went back to LA, this is now like five years ago, one of the trips, I went and saw some of the new dorms on campus. And they look like.

• 30:20Corinne Vien?

  Wait, they're new dorms?

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:22Corinne Vien?

  Where?

• 30:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where, um, Doheny.

• 30:24Corinne Vien?

  Aren't those the newer ones anyway?

• 30:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, those were the oldest ones. But they literally look like fancy new apartments. Yeah.

• 30:32Corinne Vien?

  Kids these days.

• 30:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, um, like they had a full kitchen. Yeah, I think so.

• 30:37Corinne Vien?

  Wow, that's nice to live right there and then walk across to Jamba.

• 30:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, okay, so my sister and I had the run of the place, playing in the lobby, riding Barbie cars through the courtyard, bikes through the halls, which we later found out terrified the students because it's total shining vibes.

• 30:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we would be watched over by students and staff who adored us. But the dorm didn't just come with college energy. It came with something else. Even as a little kid, I could feel the energy. We never liked going to the second floor because it felt dark, heavy, and even when the lights were on, it felt a little spooky. I don't know how to describe it then, but now I understand that I was sensing energy. I was already tuned in. One of my clearest memories happened when my grandparents came to visit from Montana. My grandma invited me to sleep in one of the empty dorm rooms with her. It had two twin beds, one on each side, so I woke up in the middle of the night to muffled talking. And when I sat up, I saw two men standing at the foot of my bed. This also makes me think that this dorm was empty for a reason.

• 31:40Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 31:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  One of the men was tall with a long red beard and a straw hat. The other was shorter with brown hair, wearing overalls and chewing on what looked like hay. The shorter one looked up at me and said, oh, she's up.

• 31:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I dove under the blanket then crawled into bed with my grandma. She didn't question it, just pulled me in. And the next morning, I tried to tell my parents, but they told me it was just a bad dream. But I knew it wasn't.

• 32:05Corinne Vien?

  Uh, hello. I feel like, I mean, it's skewed coming from us because obviously we believe in the paranormal and I feel like everywhere is haunted. But like, if someone told me a ghost story specifically on a college campus, I feel like I would believe them.

• 32:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  More than most other places.

• 32:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's tough though, because I understand as a parent, if you're not experiencing anything and everything's pleasant to you, or even if you are experiencing anything and you know you're gonna live there for a really long time, like you don't want to like add to the fear.

• 32:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And also like differentiating between what is like a nightmare or imagination versus a real experience.

• 32:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But years later, when my grandmother was dying from cancer, we visited her to say goodbye. She had kept handwritten journals and tape recordings when she could no longer write. And in one of her entries, she wrote about that night. It confirmed everything I experienced.

• 32:56Corinne Vien?

  This is like a movie.

• 32:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She had seen them too.

• 33:00Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit.

• 33:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I looked at my dad and yelled, "I told you." He just nodded, admitting they didn't want to scare me more since we still had to live there.

• 33:10Corinne Vien?

  So she saw the guys, heard them say, "Oh, she's up."

• 33:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that man came back. Not long after, I had another encounter with a short brown-haired man. I was sleeping with my head at the foot of the bed, because kids are weird. And in the middle of the night, he popped up from underneath and yelled, just yelled, startled me awake, and then he vanished.

• 33:28Corinne Vien?

  Under the bed?

• 33:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, literally like.

• 33:30Corinne Vien?

  You have too many stories about people under the bed today. This is scary. That's like a classic like ghost story monster trope, and I feel like we almost never encounter it.

• 33:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I'm also imagining these beds are like higher up, because like I had my bed lofted, yeah. Needless to say, I never slept with my head at the foot of the bed ever again. And I still don't know why or what he wanted and why he popped up and yelled. Okay, but also we were the chaos, because here's the twist. After a while, my sister and I leaned into the spooky energy, because like if the dorm's haunted, we may as well play into it, right? And we started scaring students on purpose. One of our favorite pranks is we would hide in the lockers in the women's locker room during my mom's volleyball games. Right before halftime, when the team would storm in, stressed and sweaty, ready for coach reaming, we would jump out and scare the ever-loving soul out of all of them. To us. Hilarious.

• 34:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To them, emotional terrorism from children. I mean, could you imagine you're losing a game and then your coach's kids pop out like haunted goblins? I think it's hilarious, too. I have even more stories tied to that campus. Creepy buildings, unsettling student experiences, and things my parents only started admitting to me years later. While nothing truly dark or harmful ever happened to me personally, there are definitely some stories from students that weren't so nice, which I'm going to share. There was even one specific dorm room, from what I remember, that stayed empty because of the heavy, almost suffocating, energy inside. No one ever said it out loud, but everyone avoided it. So here's my reflection.

• 35:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I truly believe that the land itself was sacred and had seen a lot, and not all of it good. Like I mentioned, there were definitely dark things that happened there. I'm gathering some more facts and stories about those, but what's wild is I felt like something there always protected me. Maybe it was something in me, something that awakened young. I was already doing my own little rituals as a child before I even knew that they were rituals. Maybe it was the people around me, my parents' players, who came from all over the world, brought their own beliefs, energy, and protection. But one of them was a Native American who lived on a reservation, and she taught us so much and radiated calm, grounded power. I loved being around her. Or maybe it was my grandmother, who grew up on the Blackfeet Reservation in Montana.

• 35:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  While we are not Native American ourselves, her life was deeply shaped by the land, the people, and the culture she lived among. That influence wove itself into our family's story in quiet, powerful ways, and I carry a deep respect and gratitude for these traditions. Whatever it was, even with so much happening around me, we were safe. And that's why I feel called to tell this story now. But my experiences didn't end when we left the dorms, because everywhere I have lived, everywhere I have traveled, even now, I have more experiences. I've grown into my craft and now have a full space dedicated to diving even deeper into it. Oh, I love that. It's simply who I am. You were called to it. And honestly, I love it. Or born into it. Truly. I feel honored to remain connected to whatever exists beyond the veil.

• 36:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you're interested, I would love to share more stories from childhood to today. Yes, always. See you on the other side, Maisy.

• 36:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What a cool childhood.

• 36:39Corinne Vien?

  Dang, that's a very cool childhood.

• 36:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And unique.

• 36:41Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would.

• 36:42Corinne Vien?

  I can't imagine doing it for like multiple years, too.

• 36:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I would, because I don't know how long Maisie lived there for, but I could imagine, like, say, this is the like writer in me, the creative, being like, okay, she grew up on the college campus from ages like five to twelve. Then she went off to like do high school, wherever. Like, the fantasy in me is like, she goes back to college, to this school.

• 37:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 37:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like is reacquainted with all the spirits. That's the movie, movie idea.

• 37:11Corinne Vien?

  Damn, except like it's kind of a real life.

• 37:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 37:14Corinne Vien?

  I wonder if she has ever gone back there.

• 37:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maisie, let us know.

• 37:18Corinne Vien?

  Tell us.

• 37:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tell us everything.

• 37:19Corinne Vien?

  I also love the name Maisie.

• 37:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, it's a very nice name.

• 37:22Corinne Vien?

  I met a Maisie only one time ever, when I was twelve, on a cruise. And she was from like Tennessee or something, and she had like this deep southern accent.

• 37:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 37:33Corinne Vien?

  It was like me and a bunch of other twelve girls, you know, like thirteen to eight, like the whole crew.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 37:38Corinne Vien?

  And she had these big, like, fake press-on nails, but I don't think they were press-on. I think she like actually went and got her nails done.

• 37:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 37:45Corinne Vien?

  She was like twelve, and she was constantly like going like this, and I've never forgotten her, because I thought she was

• 37:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maisie.

• 37:49Corinne Vien?

  So cool.

• 37:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And coolest name.

• 37:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, okay. A college dorm from eighteen fifty-four and the neighboring class building from seventeen forty-eight. Oh, and another thing about Maisie. Some Maisie from the cruise.

• 38:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if Maisie listens?

• 38:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maisie remembers you from the cruise.

• 38:06Corinne Vien?

  Maisie would not remember.

• 38:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Corinne from Vermont. She had boring, plain nails.

• 38:11Corinne Vien?

  Silent girl who was like, what? It was her birthday on the cruise, we all went and had dinner, and she ate frog legs.

• 38:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How French of her.

• 38:21Corinne Vien?

  I know. I was like, holy shit, you're very daring, girl with your fake nails.

• 38:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I really want to find this Maisie. I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to find her now. Because you could figure out what days you went on the trip.

• 38:33Corinne Vien?

  Did your parents work for Allstate? And when you were around eleven to thirteen years old, did you go on a cruise? Started in Athens, Greece, and ended in Venice, Italy.

• 38:44Corinne Vien?

  Did you have your birthday on the Slide into your DMs. I have a photo of you that I took of you eating frog legs. This is my new like obsession. I want to Find Maisie. She was blonde, very blonde. Cause I have like a whole, a whole, uh, you know, like one of those, what are they? The like old cameras, like the wind up. Yeah. Whatever. I had like a bunch of those. The disposable cameras? Yeah. Yeah. And so I, I like more recently like looked at photos from then. Post it on our stories. Like, is this you? If my parents didn't throw it out in their move.

• 39:19Corinne Vien?

  Hello Sabrina and Corinne, my most favorite podcast hostesses and their ghost. If ever I have my earbuds in and one of my family members tries to talk to me, they wait to see until I turn the volume down or I glare at them. If I glare, they know I'm listening to Two Girls One Ghost and that they need to wait a bit. I love the tune. So good. On with my tale. I've always been both terrified by and enamored with ghost stories. I still remember wrapping both of my arms around my dad's leg as a little kid as he stood in our living room, trying to decide if he wanted to change the channel from a version of A Christmas Carol with no remotes in the mid 1970s. The ghost of Christmas past had me locked onto my dad for dear life. I couldn't look away.

• 40:05Corinne Vien?

  My favorite ghost story is The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Growing up in a small village in Vermont, complete with a covered bridge and a population of about 250 people. The, I, right from Woodstock? The idea of Sleepy Hollow and the Horsemen was very real to me. My favorite horror movies are the Swedish version of Let the Right One In and the others. Wait, the Swedish version? Swedish version. We gotta see that. Yeah. Sometimes the scariest movies are Swedish films are And just like international. Like the El Orfanato. I'll never stop thinking about that one.

• 40:44Corinne Vien?

  So scary. Yes. Okay. I don't read my Torah now, but when I was in the second grade, I was a precocious reader. And in the eighties and Stephen King's classics being very popular, I was eight trying to read them. My parents told me not to read them, no argument. Well, that meant that I was just gonna hide in the back of our Subaru hatchback and read Pet Sematary, Gujo, Firestarter, and Christine.

• 41:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm obsessed. I love that.

• 41:10Corinne Vien?

  I still can't sleep with the closet door open. Christine is the only book that made me jump while reading. Now I want to read that.

• 41:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We, Eric brought that up recently on Campfire Stories.

• 41:19Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like the haunted car situation.

• 41:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, cuz.

• 41:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't think I've read that one.

• 41:23Corinne Vien?

  None of us understood what he was talking about. It was embarrassing for all of us.

• 41:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We felt like idiots.

• 41:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But I didn't have any ghost stories until I went to college and I moved into a dorm in an old town in eastern Pennsylvania.

• 41:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where?

• 41:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, please tell us. She doesn't.

• 41:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 41:38Corinne Vien?

  It's a lovely campus with tall, mottled sycamores whose roots make the sidewalks buckle. Buildings of fieldstone and brick, some dating back to before the American Revolution. I knew friends who had odd experiences in our dorm and in the four-story art studio building. Okay, another clue, four-story art studio building.

• 41:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eastern Pennsylvania University. Should I start doing, I'm gonna do a Google search.

• 42:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But the close proximity of the music building is what kept us all a bit antsy when working late into the night. The music building filled with practice studios and a chapel. Okay, there's a chapel. The chapel was built in seventeen forty-eight. We're getting more clues. Not only that, but it had been used in the revolution as a hospital. Another big clue. This would probably explain why my friend Steph woke up one night, looked out the window to the small balcony off of her dorm room, and saw a pair of worn breeches and boots with hobnails holes emerging from under the shade. Our dorm was only eight feet from that building, which was named by Reader's Digest as the most haunted college building in the country. Okay, Reader's Digest, most haunted college building.

• 42:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Building.

• 42:46Corinne Vien?

  In the US.

• 42:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the US.

• 42:48Corinne Vien?

  Pennsylvania. So many clues. This is like riddled with clues.

• 42:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 42:53Corinne Vien?

  Yep, we have no answer.

• 42:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gettysburg College? It's the first name that comes up. There's also University of Pennsylvania, Allegheny University. There's so many, or Allegheny College. But Gettysburg College is what comes up when you search Reader's Digest, most haunted college building.

• 43:09Corinne Vien?

  Okay, and I looked up if they have an art studio, and if they do, an art building, and arts and music are hosted at Schmucker Hall.

• 43:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Watch, we're like so wrong. Yeah, the one that came up when I was searching Eastern Pennsylvania was Eastern University.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  Okay, now I gotta look at images of Schmucker Hall. And it is four stories. Boom, we found your college. You gave too much information. No, this has to be right. Oh, and she said, see you attached.

• 43:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, is it?

• 43:41Corinne Vien?

  For, oh, it used to be called, so this was the, this is the picture of the old music building, and it was called the Moravian Seminary for Young Ladies. That's hard to read.

• 43:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, it's Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. My brother went to Bethlehem, or he went to Lehigh, which is in Bethlehem. So is it Lehigh? What other universities are in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania?

• 44:01Corinne Vien?

  Wait, but it looks just like Schmucker Hall. You've sent us on a goose chase.

• 44:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, there's Lehigh, and there's Moravian University, which is focused on liberal arts.

• 44:12Corinne Vien?

  Well, this is very confusing. It would be less confusing if you told us where.

• 44:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tell us. Well, we can look up the name of that building. What's the name of the building?

• 44:23Corinne Vien?

  Uh, which one?

• 44:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Old photo?

• 44:25Corinne Vien?

  The one in the photo says the Moravian Seminary for Young Ladies.

• 44:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  University.

• 44:29Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 44:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, we still figured it out.

• 44:32Corinne Vien?

  Did we though? I still like, I'm questioning if it's even right.

• 44:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's for sure it says Bethlehem.

• 44:36Corinne Vien?

  Okay, finally, we're there. So many clues. For me, when things happened, it was only upon thinking about them a minute or so later that I realized that what I had just experienced wasn't possible. My roommate and I had a large room with towering ceilings. Our heat register was always off, but clanging away at night, and we were perpetually warm. I was often in the room alone, which was when I felt things and heard things. One night, I heard people walking around the room above ours. And then I realized the sounds weren't coming from upstairs, but between them and me. Like, the ten feet of air above my head.

• 45:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh.

• 45:12Corinne Vien?

  Not on any floor. Another time, the dorm was quiet, and I heard someone come up the echoing stairwell. I heard the swinging door to my floor open and shut, and then, nothing.

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No one was there.

• 45:22Corinne Vien?

  No one continued on through the hall. No one turned and went back down or up the stairs. They just vanished. My nana was very open to and gifted with things beyond the veil. She loved to tell me about her Romani ancestors. More on her another time, because she was really amazing.

• 45:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 45:38Corinne Vien?

  And when she heard that I was experiencing these things, she put together a little packet of herbs for me for protection.

• 45:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love your grandmother.

• 45:46Corinne Vien?

  I hadn't felt threatened, but I was scared when I was alone at night. I often slept with my back smack up against the wall. After shaking some herbs on my skin before bed, I settled uncomfortably, but it was not a comfortable night. Once the light was out and I was under the covers, back against the wall, I felt a presence swoop in very close to me. It radiated insult. My eyes were tightly shut, but an impression formed in my head. This was a woman in a dark dress from the eighteen hundreds, which would make sense, given my dorm had started in eighteen fifty-four. Oh shit, she did tell us, as a seminary for young ladies, that's another huge one. We had a picture and she said the original name. Sorry, I'm blaming everyone.

• 46:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We had to do all this, like, searching and it's literally right in front of us.

• 46:33Corinne Vien?

  But that was fun, wasn't it?

• 46:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was. It was. We went on a little scavenger hunt. It was fun.

• 46:38Corinne Vien?

  She was bent forward, face not far from mine. I can't explain what happened next, but I have experienced it twice. That night, and when my nana helped me find her gravesite when I was lost in the cemetery. I didn't hear it externally, but I sensed it inside of me. Someone clearly saying, "I have never done anything to you."

• 47:01Corinne Vien?

  And then it was gone. What a strange sentence. Right. It's like, did you think I was mad at you? Like? What? Oh, God. That'd be a horrible eternity. I've never done anything to you. Afterlife, thinking that everyone's mad at you. So sad. That is torture. That's hell. That's so sad. I brushed those herbs off as best I could, and then I never used them again. As an art major, I spent a lot of time in the art building, which was attached to the very haunted music building. I would hear friends working in their studios after dark, and when I called to say goodnight to them, everyone had already gone home. That would mean that they hadn't been the ones making the noise. I was the only one there. Four floors, about forty rooms.

• 47:45Corinne Vien?

  I hated having to go down those long, empty hallways. Closed studio doors on either side, and then down the creaking wooden stairs into the yawning gray shadows of the first floor. At the top of the stairs was a light switch for the first floor hall. So I gathered my courage. I snapped the light off, barreled down the stairs, but only by an elevator room at the end of the building. I was all brave for this first few stairs, but when I was equidistant from the second floor landing and the door to the outside and the fresh air, I felt very much not alone. I could only push myself to keep going despite fear, relieved to finally get outside and take in a gulp of cold air. Of course, there was another way out, but that was through. You guessed it, the music building. I thought she was gonna say like, jump out the window.

• 48:30Corinne Vien?

  I know, I'm thinking the same thing. A big slide from the Parkour! From the bell tower at the top. The parkour down the building scale, spiny webs. Spiny monkey. My brother used to do that. Like, literally, he would remove his screen from our home window on the second floor, and he would parkour out of the house. When? In winter? When he was like Just all seasons? Eleven. When there was like, nice snow pile below? No, all season. What? How did he get down? Parkour. And you can't parkour just on open air. He would like go, he would go like the like, side of the roof and then like, the wall and then down. Shit, Graham, that's dangerous. That's crazy. Yeah. Christian had, outside of his room, the like, roof of the first floor had extended.

• 49:15Corinne Vien?

  So in the winter, I never did it, because I wasn't brave or stupid. But in the winter, he and my dad. Would go up on the roof and then they would make like a huge snow pile below and then jump into it from the roof.

• 49:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Snow can get hard.

• 49:30Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 49:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They survived.

• 49:31Corinne Vien?

  I only broke bones doing sports. Christian broke bones, just.

• 49:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Jumping out of his window.

• 49:35Corinne Vien?

  Doing life.

• 49:38Corinne Vien?

  I only went through the music building twice, in the dark, by the light of an exit sign. Shivers. I love your podcast so much and your friendship is the balm in the midst of a lot of awful things going on in the world. That's really nice.

• 49:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's very nice.

• 49:51Corinne Vien?

  All tight to each other. Lastly, I was listening to T G O G while driving the other day, not long after I started listening to the show. I'm a newbie. And as I drove at dusk, I saw dull flashing out of the corner of my eye. And I looked to see the audio display blinking, then going blank, and then returning to its usual letters and numbers.

• 50:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 50:11Corinne Vien?

  It did this in a loop over and over again. There was no interruption to the show.

• 50:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Breaking your car.

• 50:16Corinne Vien?

  But the display went berserk for a bit and then stopped completely. My car is 2016 and it has never done that before. Keep up your fantastic work. See you on the other side. Melissa in Pennsylvania.

• 50:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, Melissa, that is a haunted ass school. Those are really pretty. I like the Bethlehem is beautiful.

• 50:34Corinne Vien?

  I know a couple of people went to Leha too. I can't believe, I'm so glad you went to LMU because obviously.

• 50:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We met.

• 50:42Corinne Vien?

  But I can't believe you didn't go to Princeton.

• 50:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like one, I would never have gotten into Princeton.

• 50:47Corinne Vien?

  I forgot that you have to get admitted. You can't just choose.

• 50:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And two, I grew up.

• 50:51Corinne Vien?

  It's so beautiful.

• 50:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like literally, I ran those, I ran that fucking campus in high school.

• 50:57Corinne Vien?

  It's like the prettiest campus I've ever seen.

• 50:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but it was my high school experience. Like we literally would go to Princeton campus all the time.

• 51:03Corinne Vien?

  LMU is also always what it is. Like one of the prettiest campuses in the US.

• 51:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Very different beauty.

• 51:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's like.

• 51:09Corinne Vien?

  So it's not like you left one beauty for something ugly.

• 51:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, no.

• 51:12Corinne Vien?

  Some of these universities, you guys. I'll go.

• 51:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait, someone recently emailed us saying like the school I went to is like the ugliest campus. We were like, we have to look this up.

• 51:22Corinne Vien?

  Sorry to you.

• 51:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was pretty ugly.

• 51:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 51:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was like concrete buildings with no windows.

• 51:27Corinne Vien?

  I, I needed something pretty. Christian was even worse than me when it came to the aesthetics of a campus. Christian, my younger brother ended up going to LMU too. But he touring one of the colleges in Texas. He said he didn't want to go there because he didn't like what type of grass they had.

• 51:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What kind of grass did they have?

• 51:47Corinne Vien?

  The species of grass.

• 51:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was it itchy?

• 51:49Corinne Vien?

  It was too sharp and thick bladed. He didn't like it.

• 51:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know, you can't fault a man for knowing what he likes and doesn't like.

• 51:55Corinne Vien?

  Sometimes. And that's the, you know, campuses have lots of grass. So if you don't like the grass, and that's

• 52:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a big deal.

• 52:01Corinne Vien?

  all you're gonna be thinking about.

• 52:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was freshman year, I remember during a rainstorm, our friend Chase and my, this girl Sally, who lived across the dorm, we got dish soap. And we went to Sunken Gardens. It was like the like big quad, grassy quad. That was between like the freshman dorms. And we put the dish soap on the water and like the muddy grass and we like started like mud sliding.

• 52:27Corinne Vien?

  I think that's so fun.

• 52:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And P-Safe came up to us and like, what are you doing? Like, you can't do this. You're ruining the property. And we're like, we're having fun. And he just like rolled his head and was like, you gotta stop.

• 52:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh, man.

• 52:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Corinne Vien?

  Chase might be a supernatural being because I think he existed in every group with everyone doing everything all the time.

• 52:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he still does.

• 52:48Corinne Vien?

  How does he do it?

• 52:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Social butterfly.

• 52:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, he has like a thousand unread text messages, so.

• 52:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just like you.

• 52:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but I finally did what you told me to do.

• 52:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, you marked all of them.

• 52:58Corinne Vien?

  And I marked them all as red. So now, after doing that last week.

• 53:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What are you at?

• 53:03Corinne Vien?

  A hundred and seven.

• 53:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Nice.

• 53:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So I haven't responded a hundred and seven times to people in the past week.

• 53:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But there's probably group texts.

• 53:11Corinne Vien?

  There's like at least fifteen that I think are like Cyber Monday, like, you know, sales.

• 53:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, there were also a lot on Thanksgiving that you and I are both in.

• 53:19Corinne Vien?

  I still haven't opened them.

• 53:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I just felt like I should include you in those group texts.

• 53:22Corinne Vien?

  Thank you.

• 53:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:23Corinne Vien?

  Thank you. Thanks for including me.

• 53:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Um, and thanks for including us in sharing your ghost stories. We hope you continue to do so. If you have any stories in any topic, it can also be a topic that we've already covered because we will revisit them or we'll find a way to include it in another topic. So please email your ghost stories to us, no matter what. Our email is [email protected].

• 53:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's also a new year and lots of new things are happening. We're planning on new merch for the year. We also have some exciting bonuses on Patreon, like bonus episodes every month. Episodes ad-free one week early. We also are doing witch class. We also have book club at the end of this month. We are reading "We Used to Live Here" by Marcus Clewer. And we'll be meeting at the end of January to discuss. So if that interests you, please join us over on Patreon. Thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast, and our producer and social media guru, Emma Leventer. Thank you guys so much. We love you all very much. And we will. See you on the other side.