Tony Robbins ON: Breaking Negative Thinking & Unlock the Unlimited Potential of Your Mind

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon. Jay Shetty sits down with Tony Robbins to talk about what it truly means to take care of yourself and your body. Often, when we’re young and full of energy, we become fearless, we become risk-takers, we become someone who can do anything and can be anything. But going down this path, without paying attention to our health and what our body needs to stay in shape, our body ages rapidly, we get sick, we become weak. Tony Robbins is an entrepreneur, #1 NY Times bestselling author, philanthropist, and the nation’s #1 life & business strategist. He has empowered more than 50 million people from 100 countries around the world through his audio programs, educational videos, and live seminars. For more than four and a half decades, millions of people have enjoyed the warmth, humor, and transformational power of Tony’s business and personal development events. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 02:30 Being 31 years old and was diagnosed with a brain tumor 11:03 Why do we wait to experience pain before we decide to change? 16:42 The different genes that work magic in our body 26:27 Tools and exercises to help build more energy 33:32 What is the greatest human mindset and skill? 40:58 Three decisions we make in our life 48:55 Your focus is controlled by your values and belief systems 55:36 The mindset that should keep nurturing 01:02:01 What do you look for in a friend? 01:04:00 Latest breakthroughs in medical science 01:18:41 Tony on Final Five Episode Resources Tony Robbins | Twitter Tony Robbins | Facebook Tony Robbins | Instagram Tony Robbins | LinkedIn Tony Robbins | YouTube Tony Robbins | Website Tony Robbins | Books Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:57Jay Shetty?

  Download the Vinted app for free to start selling with no seller fees, so you keep every dollar you earn. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that I wanted to sit down with ever since I was a very young boy, and it's extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew up in a home where I was surrounded by his books, his cassettes, his CDs. My father would be diving into them, playing them in the car, wherever he possibly could. And I was surrounded by this man's wisdom, and it had an impact on me, both internally, externally, and in so many ways.

• 3:38Jay Shetty?

  And today, I've had the great fortune of sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm speaking about a man who needs no introduction, but is recently the number one New York Times bestselling author of this book, Life Force, the one and only Tony Robbins. Tony, I am so honoured, humbled, and grateful to be in your presence.

• 3:59Tony Robbins?

  Thank you, brother, for coming to visit.

• 4:01Jay Shetty?

  To be in your home, you've opened up your home today. This is the first time we brought On Purpose out into the wild.

• 4:07Tony Robbins?

  I'm honoured.

• 4:07Jay Shetty?

  For a guest to be with you, but we're in your beautiful home that you've graciously, and Sage was just an amazing host and welcomed me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know also that I came here expecting that we were going to do a podcast. Tony, of course, is one of the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and talking because of his kindness and generosity. I want people to know that.

• 4:29Tony Robbins?

  What a beautiful work you're doing. I wanted to hear more about it. It's gorgeous what you're doing here, so thanks for having me on.

• 4:33Jay Shetty?

  Well, thank you. Thank you so much. So this conversation is a long time coming from the work that you've been doing. The journey of this book doesn't start when you started writing this book. The journey of this book for you became something that you got focused on a long, long time ago.

• 4:49Tony Robbins?

  Yeah, true.

• 4:50Jay Shetty?

  And I wanted to focus on one point to give people this context. You know, you're seen as someone who is superhuman. You're able to do incredible things onstage, offstage. You have a phenomenal physical, mental, psychological presence, have a beautiful spiritual presence. But at the same time, you talk about in this book being thirty one years old and finding out about this brain tumor.

• 5:13Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 5:14Jay Shetty?

  I want to hear about what that feels like when you think you're doing everything right for your health.

• 5:19Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:19Jay Shetty?

  And it hasn't been a point of concern. And all of a sudden, you get this news. How does that feel?

• 5:26Tony Robbins?

  Well, it was scary, obviously. Actually, it started a little sooner than that. When I was really young, I grew up really rapidly. I've worked twenty hour days and I was also blessed and I got to work as an.

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• 7:54Tony Robbins?

  Very important people and I got great results and they told other people. So by the time I was 19, just almost 20, I had become quite successful in external terms, at least in the world. And some part of me was, you know, the kind of the mechanism in the back of our head, that two million year old brain, right? The fight or flight mechanism. I didn't know how to manage that so well. And part of my brain was like, well, maybe you have all this happening so quick because you're going to die young. And I literally became obsessed with not just getting hit by a truck or something. It was cancer. I was going to wilt away. I don't know where it came from and I knew better intellectually, but it was there. And then the first time I entered my life was before 31, entered my life through someone else, my girlfriend. And she came home crying uncontrollably. And Jay, I mean, she was like, like, what is it? What is it?

• 8:38Tony Robbins?

  My mom, my mom and then my mom has cancer. And then even worse, they gave her nine weeks to live. They just sent her home. And I think if it would have been me, I think my fear would have overcome me. But you know, most people will do more for people they love, whether it be their kids or their family or someone else than they'll ever do for themselves. And so it's like, I kicked into gear. That's what I do. It's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, look, there's thousands of people that had stage four cancer and they're alive today. We're going to find out what they do. We're going to do the same thing. She's not going to die. And then I just read every book I could on cancer and I came across this one book called One Answer to Cancer. It's not the book I recommend today because there's so many better ones today, but it was written by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the most vicious cancer of all. He was given six weeks to live and this is 12 years later and he's alive.

• 9:23Tony Robbins?

  And so he laid out what he did to cleanse his body, which sounded radical in those days, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this woman, her name was Jenny, she was in her 40s. And I said, Jenny, you know, I know you don't want to die. I said, but just going home and do nothing, why don't you read this book? This guy was in worse shape than you. And see if you wanted to apply this. And she read it and she got inspired and I gave her As a Man Thinketh to kind of work on her head a little bit. Anyway, long story short, within about three weeks, you could, she had a tumor that was protruding in her shoulder and the one in her feminine organs. And you couldn't see anything three weeks later on her shoulder. And at the period of, I think about nine weeks when she was supposed to die and she looked good, she had great energy and I literally looked transformed. The doctor finally said, this is crazy.

• 10:07Tony Robbins?

  Let's do exploratory surgery. So they went in, in her body and all they could find left of the cancer was something the size of my pinky's fingernail. And so the doctor said, this is a miracle. And she said, it is a miracle, but let me tell you what I did. And he was like, no, no, no, this is spontaneous remission. I don't want to hear what you did. What you did doesn't matter. But she's in her mid 80s today, she's still alive. And that shifted me from victimhood, like, oh my God, cancer could strike me down, to believe me, I'll be great. So all the more shocking. Now I'm a total biohacker, I'm a health nut, I've got to get on stage and do, you know, 12, 13 hours with 20,000 people. And I got to do three or four days in a row and I make these huge demands. But I also have this incredibly intense regimen of taking care of myself. And then I went, I'm a helicopter pilot.

• 10:52Tony Robbins?

  So I went to go get my license renewed, you have to do a physical. And I come back and I keep getting these messages from the doctor saying, my assistant saying, the doctor says he's got to talk to you. And I was like, I'm leaving for the south of France to an event. Tell them to just send the report. And I got home this one night and taped to my bathroom, my master bathroom bedroom door was a note from my assistant saying, you've got to call the doctor. He says it's an emergency. So what do you do? What do you feel like? Well, all my old fears just started flashing back. It's like, oh my God, I mean, I treat my body so great. How could I have cancer? But I do fly all the time. That's radiation. You know, your head goes crazy. At least mine did. Yeah. Um, but Self diagnosis. But at that time, I had also found a center in my life. And so I found my center. It's like, okay,

• 11:34Tony Robbins?

  courageous person, you know, you know, coward dies a thousand deaths, courageous person wants, let me deal with it if it needs to be dealt with in the morning. I woke up, called, and the doc says to me, you have a tumor, a tumor in your brain. I was like, what are you talking about? I came to you. I'm totally healthy. I'm healthy as a horse. And he said, no, no, no. He said, you have an enormous amount of growth hormones. So I did some tests. I said, you know, how'd you notice the growth hormone? My hands are bigger than your head. I wear a size 16 shoe. I was five one. Now I'm six seven. I grew 10 inches in a year. And he goes, no, don't be funny. He goes, you're gonna need to hear me. This is serious. And he said, you really need to do this. And we'll do what? You got to come in for surgery. I was like, wait a second. I said, you're telling me you're gonna cut me open?

• 12:15Tony Robbins?

  I said, what's the prognosis? He said, well, obviously you can die. The only time you do surgery that's this complex. But he said, it's your pituitary gland. And he said, he said, you know, you're probably not going to have the same kind of energy anymore because it'll change your biochemistry. I was like, well, I think I should get a second opinion. Who would you recommend? And he did not have a good bedside manner. And I didn't have a good bedside manner either. I was a young punk kid. It was like, well, you're telling me I'm gonna have to have the surgery? So I kind of blew it off since he was such a jerk about it. It's like, I'll take care of it when I get home. And I flew this out to France and I did this seminar. But then, you know, the mind, you know, the mind starts going like, what if he's right? What if there's this? So I went and did the scan and I saw the look on the guy's face when I came out from the MRI.

• 12:59Tony Robbins?

  And sure enough, I had a tumor there. It was interesting though, Jay. It was a big tumor. That's why I grew 10 inches in a year. And but it infarcted, which means it swallowed a portion of itself up. It was still there. And he said, we still need to do the surgery. So I went and did, I said, okay, he's a surgeon. Let me go to somebody who's more biochemically driven. So I went to this man in Boston, a neurobiologist. And he was really completely different. He was super warm. And he said, look, he goes, I would never do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place in Switzerland you can go to and you can take an injection once every six months and you'll never have to worry about it. Cause what they worry about is I have gigantism. It's called, it makes your arteries get really big and then you have a heart attack. And I said, well, doc, you just said my arteries are perfect.

• 13:43Tony Robbins?

  And this happened 12 years ago. I said, why would I do anything? He goes, well, we just want to be certain. I said, well, what if, what if, I'm not certain the drugs are not going to have side effects, you know? He goes, well, it will really make you tired all the time. I was like tired all the time. That's the opposite of my whole life. I said, I'm, energy is the source of everything for me. And he's like, oh, you're afraid you're like Samson. You're afraid going to cut your hair. And I said, you're damn right I am, you know? But he was so cool. And I said, but you know, the surgeon wants to cut me. He goes, yeah, the baker wants to bake. You know, he's the butcher wants to butcher. The surgeon wants to cut and I want to drug you. He was really cool. And I said, what if I did nothing? He goes, but I measured it. Like, I'm not stupid. I go measure it once a year or something. He goes, well, you could do that. And thank God I did, Jay, because six months later, the FDA, I was having to go to Switzerland

• 14:28Tony Robbins?

  because it wasn't available in the US. And the FDA never logged it in because they found it created cancer. So I missed a bullet. Went to five other docs, so six in total, seven in total. And the last doc told me what I wanted to hear, which was, Tony, you have a huge amount of growth hormone. But he goes, you literally do, you know, I burned 11,300 calories in one day on stage. Give you an idea. I was going to follow me for three years. The followers, one big athletes and Tom Brady and people like that. And so they've measured everything in my body. And he goes, you're doing two and a half marathons, basically, and calorie burn in a day. And you've been four days in a row like that. He goes, your ability to recover is insane. He said, in two or three days, you've recovered. He goes, that's, that's coming from that growth hormone, I believe.

• 15:09Tony Robbins?

  And he said, so I know bodybuilders that are spending 1,200 bucks, you know, a month to have what you're getting for free. So that was when I was 31. I'm 62. I've never had a problem since I've measured it. But it really changed my outlook. And the first one made my outlook look like there is an answer. And the second one, my outlook was there's a price for certainty. And you got to be very careful what price you pay to be certain. You got to find that certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of what you teach and I do as well, Jay.

• 15:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thank you for walking us through that.

• 15:37Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:37Jay Shetty?

  And especially going back a bit further as well. I think what I find fascinating about that, Tony, and a lot of the work you do is why does it? Why do we as humans often wait to see, not even see pain? You saw pain in someone else and you tried to help solve it.

• 15:54Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Jay Shetty?

  And that got you working.

• 15:55Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Jay Shetty?

  But why is it that we often wait to experience pain before we decide to change a part of our lives? Make a different choice to create a shift? Why is it that we wait so often for stress and pressure?

• 16:08Tony Robbins?

  I had that question was burning in me because, you know, I was traveling around, had the privilege of this stage of life. You know, traveling around the earth.

• 16:13Jay Shetty?

  That's why, yeah.

• 16:14Tony Robbins?

  From every walk of life, right? A hundred plus countries I've worked in. And I'd see the same problems, even though you mean different cultures, like, you know, go to an Asian culture. It's not about the individual, it's about the group, right? But I'd still see the same problems. And then I got obsessed with it, like, okay, what, what's the common human experience? Because I'm seeing the same problems, even though it's a different culture, even though there's different beliefs, right? And I began to realize that there are certain human needs. And there were six that identified that I've used ever since, and it's helped me understand. And so one of those needs is certainty. And it's the base human need. Certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can be comfortable is the most basic need. It's a survival need, because if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage. Continuous damage equals death, right? But what happens for people is most people, that first basic need is where they live. They don't grow.

• 16:59Tony Robbins?

  Another need, the second need is uncertainty. Because ironically, if you're certain all the time, you're bored out of your mind. If you're completely uncertain, you're kind of freaked out. And a balance is not it. It's the ability to use both, enter both worlds. And then there's the need for significance, which is a big part of our culture today, thanks to social media. That need to feel special, unique, important, right? It can be a very positive emotion or need. It can be very negative, depending upon how it's used, how it's directed. And then there's the need for connection and love, which everybody has. And those four needs, everybody finds a way to meet. If you have to lie to yourself, work 20 hour days, you're going to find certainty somehow. You're going to find wide variety, you're going to find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Some people do it by working harder, you know, it's different. You're going to find some level of at least connection, if not love.

• 17:44Tony Robbins?

  But the To what make people feel alive, which is growing, everything in the universe grows or dies. And contributing, everything in the universe contributes, or it's eventually eliminated by evolution. So those are the spiritual needs, growth and contribution, where you get beyond yourself. And I think that the majority of us don't take moves because of fear and fear is just uncertainty. It's that base need. And when I go around and I describe this in more detail and I work with a big audience, fifteen, twenty thousand people and I'll say, have them do a set of exercises and have them figure out. Where do they get, what triggers them to be certain or uncertain, what triggers them to have variety and so forth. So they understand that like everything I do is to meet these needs. But then I get them to say, what are your top two? Not what you think they should be, not what you want them to be, what are they?

• 18:26Tony Robbins?

  And ninety percent of the people in our culture are certainty and significance or significance and certainty. Even though they really want love. So they have this route, like if I can be successful enough, then I'll be worthy of it. Or if I can just control it enough and know it's that way, but you can't control love, right? And so most people are, they're trying to meet their needs in a kind of a backwards way. And I think that that fear, that uncertainty is what keeps most people from growing until they get enough pain. And then that pushes them to a threshold where their needs aren't being met, they gotta change. And unfortunately, most people wait till they have enough pain. Now, I, that's not my preference. Sure, it's not yours, but I'm sure you've had experiences as much as I've had where you did have to be pushed that far to get there, right?

• 19:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, by the way, I'm so glad I asked you that question because that's the best answer I've ever had. It's, it's, it's simple, but it's, it's profound as well because usually we would say, oh yeah, the reason why we wait till we don't have to change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it. But really, it's because you're saying these needs keep us trapped almost.

• 19:26Tony Robbins?

  In fact, if you're, if you're wanting to change but not changing, it's because some of your needs are met by what you're doing and some of them aren't. That's why you're in that push-pull, but you don't usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge. Like smoking a cigarette, what does it give people? Comfort, because you take a breath of cigarette, you take a nice, slow, deep breath in and take it out. It calms the nervous system, right? It's something that they're comfortable with. It's variety. If they're all stressed out and then they start to breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people, they did originally for significance. I'm cool, I'm smoking. Today, it's not really that cool to most people, but for some generations, some places it is. Some people see it as a connection with themselves. But if all of a sudden you're now in a relationship with somebody who doesn't smoke.

• 20:08Tony Robbins?

  And you really love them and you want their total love and attention and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes. Now, my needs for love, right, are really strong and my need for this comfort is really strong and so you have this push-pull. And then some people make the shift, some people don't.

• 20:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. Well, what you said to me really rang a bell for me and we spoke a bit about it earlier. Like, I came to a point in my life, there was one point earlier when I, when I left the monastery where I really struggled with my health, which I've spoken about before, but even more recently, and it's interesting, you were thirty-one, I'm thirty-four now and, and it was probably around a similar time, thirty, maybe around thirty years old, where I realized that I had two choices. I either had to slow down or I had to up my focus on my health.

• 20:50Tony Robbins?

  Right.

• 20:50Jay Shetty?

  And that's why I'm so excited about this book for the world to read.

• 20:53Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:53Jay Shetty?

  Because you're giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and practices and medicine that can help us up our game of our health.

• 21:04Tony Robbins?

  Massively.

• 21:05Jay Shetty?

  Often what we do is we choose to slow down. We choose to just go, okay, well, I'm just gonna do less.

• 21:09Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:10Jay Shetty?

  And you and I, I think we both connect on the fact that actually giving and service and contribution and making impact on such big needs.

• 21:18Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:19Jay Shetty?

  That I was just like, I don't wanna stop though. Like, just as you said with the energy point, I don't wanna not be able to do as much and give more.

• 21:26Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Jay Shetty?

  So how do I change my health? And that simple decision, it's what led me to be attracted to what you're doing in this book and the work in this area. Talk to a bit, talk to us a bit about that energy piece. In the book, you talk a lot about

• 21:38Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Jay Shetty?

  boosting your energy through natural compounds.

• 21:42Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 21:42Jay Shetty?

  And when I was reading about this, I was fascinated because we're not hearing about this everywhere.

• 21:46Tony Robbins?

  If somebody were to tell you five years ago that you could reverse aging, the people would laugh at you. But today, there are billions and billions of dollars being spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in Silicon Valley, and some of the greatest scientists in the world have been breakthroughs in the last five years that are amazing. So there's a man named Dr. Sinclair, David Sinclair from Harvard. He's probably the number one longevity expert in the world and I write about him in the book. And one thing is, he's fifty-three chronologically, but he's thirty-three biochemically. I've applied what he's taught me for six months now, since I met him, seven months, maybe eight months now, and I'm sixty-two. And fifty one, my goal is to get it down to forty one or forty two if I possibly can. But you go, how's that possible? Well, there are ways of reversing, you know, everybody knows their body is made of stem cells, I'm sure by now.

• 22:30Tony Robbins?

  And there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell, literally from skin back to a pluripotent where it can become anything. The man who did that was Dr. Yamanaka, won the Nobel Prize for it. David Sinclair took his work, applied it to reversing the aging, and he started with mice. And he took these mice that had glaucoma, so they burned out the nerves in the eyes, and those don't regrow. And he's the first time, he'll probably win a Nobel Prize for this. He reversed the aging process and grew back their eyes, so they have sight again, to give you an idea. They're using gene therapy, there's a young man that I interviewed in the book there, who was on America's Got Talent, who was blind who now can see by this gene therapies. These are types of things that just sound like magic. The book is filled with things, where I interviewed a hundred and fifty of the smartest scientists, Nobel laureates,

• 23:15Tony Robbins?

  regenerative doctors and scientists, to show you what's happening right now, that you might think would happen twenty or thirty years from now, it sounds like magic, or within thirty six months. That's what it's all really based on. But here's what I want your, your audience to understand about energy. So, everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right? You can think of the genome as being like the piano keys. But the music is played by a player, which is the epigenome. Epo means above. And the epigenome is affected by your diet, your exercise, how much exposure to radiation, etc. Well, most people have heard that. But the epigenome really is governed by seven master genes that are called sirtuins. Now, your audience has to remember all these names. But just stay with me, just think there's seven master genes that do three or four things that are critical.

• 24:01Tony Robbins?

  First, they convert, they turn on and off the different genes in your body, that's the epigenome. And if you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon, or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled, when those sirtuins are doing their job, everything happens in the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown of the body. Third thing they do, which is critical, is they help your mitochondria, just the energy force inside every cell in your body, convert food into energy, into ATP. Pretty important. And then they have a separate task, that is, they clean up your DNA. So at thirty five or thirty four, you have a certain amount of exposure, more than when you were twenty. When you're fifty, it'll be even higher, at sixty, even higher. Well, around forty, your stem cells drop off the cliff.

• 24:46Tony Robbins?

  Around fifty, the sirtuins, the fuel of those sirtuins drops off the cliff. And that's called N A D, which I'm sure some of your people have heard about, you may even spoken about. You can do N A D as an I V. It doesn't absorb a lot, though. N A D, though, has a precursor called N M N, like never mother, never. I'm sure you've heard of it. And so I've known about that. And so, but I didn't understand that if you don't have enough N A D in an N N N, then the body has to decide between, do I help the body turn on epigenome? Do I help it reduce inflammation? Because there's only so much. Do I really help it create enough energy in the cell? Or do I clean up the D N A? So imagine you have a mansion and you have a young staff and your house looks perfect all the time.

• 25:30Tony Robbins?

  Because the young and bright and they're on top, things break down, no one notices, they clean it up. But as they get older and slower, and then there's less resources, N A D, now the mansion starts to break down. That's aging. So what Dr. Sinclair did is figure out how to supplement that N M N. And you can go buy N M N on the, you know, like you look on Amazon even. And there's probably a list of a dozen or so brands that do it. So we tested six of them just for price points. It's a thirty nine dollars a month to a hundred and twenty nine dollars a month. And there was no N M N in any of them. And I asked the lab guy, I said, are these people just thieves? He goes, well, most of it comes from China, so I can't say for sure. He said, but what I can tell you is what's more likely is N M N breaks down in less than thirty days. So by the time it comes from China, gets to your door, there's nothing in it.

• 26:13Tony Robbins?

  So they built a more stable N M N, which we have and use. But there's something coming on what your, your audience know about, little shut up. I've talked about this a long time. This is amazing. This is fascinating. Yeah. This is a company called Microbiotech. Uh, and Eden Rock, this merger of these two companies. They saw the power of N M N and they said, if you could find an M N N that was stable and was even more absorbable, it would transform people. So for example, in a mouse. They give N M N to mice and they live thirty percent longer. So not all mice studies transfer to humans. They take a, an old mouse, like a seventy year old person would be like a twenty month old mouse. Okay, so that's an old mouse. And they put them on a treadmill and the most they can run without collapsing is about a quarter of a kilometer.

• 26:56Tony Robbins?

  A young dynamic mouse, like a twenty one year old, can run four times that, a full kilometer.

• 27:01Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 27:02Tony Robbins?

  Fourteen days on N M N and the old mouse, the seventy year old mouse, will run two to three kilometers, two hundred to three hundred percent more. So again, I read about this and I was like, well, will that really transfer to humans?

• 27:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Tony Robbins?

  So this has been the breakthrough, it only happened a few months ago, right before I published the book. The special forces in Boston for two years has been doing a private study that's been top secret about using this new form of N M N, it's called M I B six two six. And it'll be available in eighteen to twenty four months.

• 27:29Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 27:30Tony Robbins?

  But it got, it got out because Commander, they just finished the two year study. First year was safety, second year was efficacy. And the Commander was debriefing his team, he didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room. So part of it got out, it was in the Daily Mail a couple of weeks ago also, and they only know a part of it. I can't tell you the things, I'm an investor in a company, I can't tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public. What the Commander said was, here's what I can tell you gentlemen. What happens with mice happens with the most powerful men and women in the world. I mean, the most conditioned men in the world saw massive increases in endurance, just from taking this M N N. Massive increase in muscle strength without any more stimulation. And most importantly, increased cognitive ability, which when you're a soldier, what's going to get you to stay alive when you're exhausted or beat up or injured

• 28:14Tony Robbins?

  or complete the mission is going to be your brain. So they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies with groups of forty to sixty year olds that are just unconditioned and they're seeing the same result. So in eighteen to twenty four months, the F D will have, this will not be a nutraceutical, this will be a, something, go to your doctor. And imagine you get something that is natural, but you put it in your body and now all four of those things I told you about are going full tilt. Now you're turn on and off the right genes, now inflammation's coming down, you've got more energy at a cellular level and your DNA's being cleaned up. So that's less than two years away from us right now.

• 28:45Jay Shetty?

  That's incredible. So you first approached it through behavior change, now you're changing the actual product that we've got.

• 28:51Tony Robbins?

  You do both.

• 28:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, do both.

• 28:52Tony Robbins?

  Yeah, do both.

• 28:52Jay Shetty?

  And that's amazing.

• 28:53Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 28:53Jay Shetty?

  And, and do you think though that, and putting together both those approaches that you've Invested in from a point of view of your whole career and what you're working on now. How much is that change of behavior still going to be required? Because my worry is, as you know, is people say, okay, I'm gonna take this pill and it's gonna drop my inflammation. But then I'm gonna eat things that create more inflammation. Like, how does behavior change go hand in hand with that?

• 29:16Tony Robbins?

  I found that when people have more energy, I don't know what your experience is, that their behaviors change.

• 29:21Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 29:22Tony Robbins?

  When you're low energy, kind of lethargic, even the way you think, I mean, look at what COVID has done by having people coped up and not moving very much, right? I've had a chance to use this product. There's products available right now, then and then I've been using those and they're very powerful. But this one is even more visceral. I mean, you feel like you're ready to buzz around.

• 29:40Jay Shetty?

  I cannot wait.

• 29:40Tony Robbins?

  It's like, it blows my mind what it does, right? So I think when people feel like that, my experience is, they tend to develop different patterns. It's just like if you've ever gone on a cleanse, even for a short time, your palate changes. And all of a sudden, you don't like the things that you once liked. So my hope is for people there, but I don't just rely on that, as you know, because I teach people all the other ways to shift their life. But I think it's important to know that there are some tools available right now and some coming very quickly. They will radically change the value of your health and also regardless of your age. It's the whole idea is like to be able to take, as you get older, to stay younger physiologically and psychologically and emotionally incredibly priceless.

• 30:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's fantastic though, because that specific idea that once you've had the taste

• 30:26Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 30:26Jay Shetty?

  of what energy feels like, we all know that we make better decisions when we experience that. And so even if that can give people that shift.

• 30:35Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 30:35Jay Shetty?

  That this is how you could feel, this is how you are feeling now.

• 30:38Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 30:39Jay Shetty?

  Then we can make better choices moving forward.

• 30:41Tony Robbins?

  Most people also, if they're gonna find out about it, they've been pursuing something anyway, right?

• 30:44Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 30:44Tony Robbins?

  So it's like someone's gonna pick up the book, Why Force? They're looking for answers. They want more energy or more strength, or they want to help somebody in their family that's dealing with a real issue. And they want to know the best, so it's like an encyclopedia.

• 30:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it is. This is what I was saying offline. I was like, this is an encyclopedia. I was saying, I was saying Tony, I was like, I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons make it unencyclopedic, but these are brilliant. They're hilarious and they Really crack you up. So one of the things I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same thing that I experienced. And I want to hear it from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time. What are a few things that you've shifted in your behavior that have created more energy?

• 31:24Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 31:24Jay Shetty?

  That shifts that actually helped you expand your energy, right? Like you said, you're serving more people right now. But even when you are traveling, you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're coaching individuals, you have groups.

• 31:36Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Jay Shetty?

  How have you been able to expand your energy year over year? What are some of the simple tweaks that people could do today while they wait for this amazing product?

• 31:45Tony Robbins?

  Well, there's products now, they're in and out now. But for me, it's, you know, I was a vegan for about 10 years. And then I ate fish and salad basically for about 12 years. So dietarily, I've always tried to make sure that what I had was as clean as possible to start with. Then I train like a crazy person. Um, you know, I do oxygen restriction training type of thing so that my capacity is strong. But I'm also trying to train so I can literally do two and a half marathons in a day and another day, another day, another day. Um, for me, the most important thing I think has been for me is, believe it or not, has been a combination of hot and cold temperatures that I use. Like I start every single morning in the freezing water. And I do it for two reasons. One is it moves every bit of blood in your body and all your lymph in your system.

• 32:27Tony Robbins?

  But also kind of train my brain to say, when I say go, we go. You know, it's like it's, there's never a day I look forward to going in the water. And I have, you know, 56 degree water here. But in my home in Sun Valley, I go literally through the snow and get in the river, which is, you know, like 39, 40 degrees in the winter time. And, but you feel so incredible when you come out, but also it's just training your brain saying, I say go, we go. It's not like, oh, I'm not ready yet or let me wait five minutes. And that becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else in your life, which is huge. And then, believe it or not, saunas, uh, just in the last year or 30 years, as long as they see the huge change. I've always known about saunas, I use them, you know, every now and then. But there's so much research on it now and have it in the book that'll blow your mind. Like four days a week in a sauna for just 20 minutes at 160 degrees plus.

• 33:12Tony Robbins?

  Whether it's a, you know, a laser type sauna, red sauna going in or it's, or a traditional one will absolutely. Really change your health in all ways you can imagine, like people that don't really work out. I can get them to do this now and they just go sit in the sauna. But what happens, it reduces your chance of a heart attack by over fifty one percent.

• 33:28Jay Shetty?

  I read that, yeah.

• 33:29Tony Robbins?

  It reduces your chance of a stroke by sixty two percent. Your overall health is reduced. I mean, it, and then here's the thing, I've noticed it happens to people I get doing this. They wouldn't work out. Now they do the sauna and they put some music on or they put a movie in the background or something. And the great thing is after doing it for about a month, sweating, everything else, now they want to work out. Now they want to do something else. So I look for the things, the quick little hacks that can make it happen. In my life, I also use cryotherapy and cryotherapy takes your body down to minus two fifty, you know, Fahrenheit. Takes out like, you know, I used to ice myself because after an event, I've been, you know, running up and down the stadium walls and everything else. Every ounce of me fourteen hours on stage, twelve hours on stage is gone. And I go, go ice like I did in football.

• 34:11Tony Robbins?

  You know, twenty minutes on, twenty minutes off, it's painful, but I had to do it. Now I go in for two and a half minutes in a cryotherapy unit and there's no inflammation in my body. It's just mind boggling for people who have osteoarthritis also. Uh, like my mother in law had such bad osteoarthritis, even medications weren't helping her and she was crying at night. And I was like, I gotta find an answer. That's how I found Cryo. And I started reading about cryotherapy and started reading about athletes doing it. But I started reading what it does for osteoarthritis. She has no pain now. Right? So they're just tools and you don't have to own one of these things.

• 34:40Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 34:40Tony Robbins?

  You know, I'm fortunate enough to have one here, but you know, you can go, there's local places all over the United States, all over the world now. Where you can just go in five or ten minutes and it's amazing. People just need to try it out. So there's lots of different tools. There's exercises you can do that I love called Osteo Strong. I invest in this company. It's a ten minute workout. Sounds like total BS.

• 35:00Jay Shetty?

  This is the one that speeds up your metabolism.

• 35:02Tony Robbins?

  Yes, well, it also, it helps you build stronger bones, which most of us don't care about bones. Women understand, you know, in their fifties, osteoporosis is really huge thing. And most of the drugs will eventually fossilize the bones. This is the only thing that's been proven to increase bone density by about fourteen percent. But my athlete friends love it. I love it because when your bones are stronger, your, your muscles are limited by your bone strength. Cause otherwise your muscles will rip open the bone, right? So this is a ten minute exercise. You do four different exercises and you go to a local place. You don't have to own the equipment and literally you're done in that time and you see the transformation. First time I did this, I remember I was, I worked with this woman, she was about sixty three years old. And I went to Gold's Gym with her because he didn't have these machines then. There was a way of doing it with weights. It was a little bit spooky if you screwed up

• 35:46Tony Robbins?

  because the weight was so heavy. And there was this guy, he was like, I don't know, twenty five, twenty six years old, ponytail, sweating like crazy, doing the leg press. And, um, and we had a camera crew there and, uh, and she says, sir, he took a break and he's sweating. She goes, sir, could I just get a quick set in between you? And she's in normal clothes and she's like sixty two years old, sixty three years old, looked like she was almost seventy. And he thought he was being punked, right? He gets up and she goes, would you put another hundred pounds on, literally another hundred pounds on? And so there's a technique where you use an extreme amount of weight for a short period of time and it stimulates it because you don't get growth by working out, you get growth by rest. But you have to have a stimulus that's strong enough. And I started doing, you know, I bench pressed in those days like two hundred and forty pounds. And then all of a sudden I bench pressed five twenty five.

• 36:31Tony Robbins?

  Uh, I did sixteen hundred pounds on the leg press and the guy from Gold's Gym came over here having a film and he's like, this, you're doing this with your mind. I was like, no, anybody, anybody can do this. But now they have these machines, so you don't have to worry about the weight being too heavy or dropping on you. So there are these little tools that can make you stronger, make you faster. And then there's simple things I never did, like I was working on the sleep chapter at six twenty five in the morning and I had to be up in two and a half hours. Like, what's wrong with this, for this picture? Because my whole thing was, um, uh, uh, my wife loves to sleep, eight hours, nine hours she'd be thrilled. My thing is I'll sleep when I die, right? Right, right. But then while I was doing the research for this book, I met this doctor who's a top neurobiologist over at, uh, up in, in Northern California.

• 37:15Tony Robbins?

  He works for Google and everybody else. He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world. And he says, Tony, I think I can convince you. And I said, good luck. Give me your best shot. And he said, well, I did a study, we got a study with one point six billion people on sleep. And I go, you couldn't have possibly coordinated that. And he goes, I didn't have to. It's all the countries, seventy countries that have daylight savings times. Wow. And he said, here's what you got. His name's Dr. Walker. He says, he says, Tony, all you gotta do is look at the real numbers. Let me show you the numbers. And he showed me that the three days after we spring forward, you lose one hour. In every country in the world, on average, heart attacks increase twenty four percent. And when we fall back and you get one extra hour, all around the world in seventy countries, on average, twenty one percent decrease in heart attacks.

• 37:59Jay Shetty?

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• 40:08Tony Robbins?

  And then he does the same stats on accidents and everything else. And then he showed me stats that show, you know, a man that slept four and a half, five hours a night like I was doing. Usually had testosterone levels by somebody ten years older than they were. That got my attention. So it's a combination of sleep. It's a combination of the right diet. It's a combination of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those fundamentals that make a difference for you. And then it's doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed my life.

• 40:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What do, what do you think, having said that, what do you think is the greatest human skill? Not habit, but mindset and skill.

• 40:42Tony Robbins?

  That's a great question. I don't know if I got the, what the greatest, there's so many. It depends on what you want out of your life, right?

• 40:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:48Tony Robbins?

  But I think the ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably one of the single most important. And maybe the second is the ability to influence others. And that's what makes you a leader. And hopefully you're doing that for a higher good, because there are all kinds of leaders, as you know. But I think, I don't think most people are very good at, at emotional fitness.

• 41:03Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 41:04Tony Robbins?

  Most people are just not as happy as they could be. And I did one book, Money Master the Game. It's kind of like this.

• 41:09Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 41:10Tony Robbins?

  Only what I did in that case is I interviewed, you know, fifty of the smartest financial people in the world. Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett. And out of fifty of them, and again, it's in my judgment, I could be completely wrong. And I've spent a lot of time with them. Some have become really good friends. There's probably four or five that are really happy people. You go, oh, well, money makes people unhappy. Money, it has nothing to do with money. Money makes you more of what you are. It just magnifies. If you're mean, you have more to be mean with. If you're kind, you have more to give, you know? But I think that most people are just, they haven't learned to manage what's going inside. Doesn't matter how much abundance they have, they're still unhappy. We've all seen people that, great comedians that have killed themselves. Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man, traveled the world, killed himself, you know?

• 41:51Tony Robbins?

  Um, you know, fashion designers that have done it. We've all seen all these different people, Kate Spade. And it's like, what? They had everything. Except they didn't master what's going on here and here. And you know, this is why you lived your life the way you have as well. So I think that skill set is the most important one. That's why even in the book, my last two chapters, I think are the most important because it's really about power of the mind. Because like, everybody knows about placebos, right?

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 42:15Tony Robbins?

  They're only discovered in World War II. And it was discovered by accident. This doctor ran out of morphine and he's treating these, these people that are badly injured. And you know, you need the morphine, not just so they're out of pain, but so they don't go into shock.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 42:30Tony Robbins?

  And the actual person who discovered this gets no credit was a nurse. Because the nurse handed him a syringe and said, we've got some more morphine. So he believed it and he said, you'll be out of pain in just less than a minute. He injected them and in every case, none of them went into shock. Ninety percent of them were out of pain and they used nothing. It was saline, right? So after World War II, he went back to Harvard and he was the person that created what we now considered be the double bind studies, which are always compared to a placebo, right? And what most people don't know is the bigger the placebo intervention, the more powerful the mind believes it. So a small pill is less effective than a big pill. Um, an injection is more powerful than a pill in terms of its effectiveness. The most powerful is a, is a sham surgery.

• 43:13Tony Robbins?

  Um, the, the Veterans Administration did a study and they did on people doing knee surgeries. And they took one third of the people and they just cut them open, anesthetized them. And so the backup did nothing. A year later, this group, the group that had no surgery, had the least amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility, most amount, so they stopped funding those surgeries, give you an idea. But that's how powerful it is. And so when you, it's even more than Harvard did a study where they took barbiturates, maybe these big red pills and said, this is an amphetamine. You need to prepare your body because you're going to speed up. It didn't give them something fake. They gave them an actual drug that slows the body down and the body sped up. So most people don't understand the power of the mind. And so what I try to do is show people

• 43:55Tony Robbins?

  even in this book, here are the things that you can do to take control of your mind because if you take care of your body and then you don't take care of your mind and emotions, you're gonna be miserable. Who cares?

• 44:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what sparked that question was something you said. You said that you start your morning by jumping in the cold.

• 44:10Tony Robbins?

  That's right.

• 44:10Jay Shetty?

  And you never feel like doing it. And you said that I just say to my body, it's time to go. And that's what sparked the question because I was like, that's a really interesting skill. And you've trained yourself to be okay with discomfort.

• 44:21Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 44:21Jay Shetty?

  You're training yourself as your first skill of the day is I am okay with uncomfortable things.

• 44:27Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 44:27Jay Shetty?

  And I know I can get through them.

• 44:28Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 44:29Jay Shetty?

  And that to me is what sounds like a really important part of emotional fitness.

• 44:33Tony Robbins?

  It is because unless you can push through discomfort, most things that are gonna give you the greatest reward require discomfort initially.

• 44:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Tony Robbins?

  Right? And the discomfort is like, you know, my original teacher, Jim Rohn, used to always say, you know, there's two pains in life, the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. He goes, discipline weighs ounces, regret weighs tons, you know? And so I trained myself to do that. And then I meditate, then I always make an acknowledgement call briefly, or leave a voicemail for someone just because to spark the day. And then I do the first thing I do is always whatever is the most difficult.

• 45:03Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 45:04Tony Robbins?

  Because then you have momentum for your day. And when you train your brain to do what's difficult first, then emotional fitness just comes naturally. And more importantly, so does achievement, so does your ability to contribute to other people. Because I have 105 companies now, to get an idea. I manage 13 of them directly, ongoingly. And, you know, there are all kinds of different industries, from AI to, you know, my resorts in Fiji to sports teams I own. And, I mean, it's insane, the dichotomy of all, we're doing $7 billion in business, so I gotta do that while I'm being a good dad to five kids and five grandkids while I'm taking care of my body, while I'm living my normal mission. So if I don't take care of my body and my energy and my mind, I mean, you'd be overwhelmed by all the demands because listen, all I gotta do is pick up my phone and you're gonna have all kinds of, oh, that's cool, shit, that's it.

• 45:48Tony Robbins?

  Because, you know, what are the chances with thousands of employees on three billion continents now that somebody's messing up? If messing up is not what I think they should be doing, it's 100%. So I'd always be in reaction until I trained my brain to say, no, you know, problems are a sign of life. And all they are challenges to be solved. And what makes you a great leader is your ability to solve problems or teach teams to build a culture where they can solve problems. And so it gives me this tremendous creativity and flexibility, but I've got the base of energy to make it work.

• 46:18Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes, exactly. And you've given yourself a permission to say this. This matters first before we get lost in the seven billion and one hundred and five companies and all of that. And I think that permission is often the toughest part. But but one of the things that stood out to me was I sat down and this was a really beautiful answer that I want to share with you because I think it will spark where I want to go next. I interview a lot of Navy SEALs and I like sitting down with people who have had extreme experiences because I feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of the brain, different parts of the body that we've never had.

• 46:53Tony Robbins?

  And the spirit.

• 46:54Jay Shetty?

  And the spirit too, exactly. And one of the people I sat down with was Jocko Willink.

• 46:57Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 46:58Jay Shetty?

  And you know, he's been a leader for twenty five years and incredible Navy SEAL, highly accomplished. And I asked him, and we were on Zoom, right? This was during the pandemic. So I didn't even get to have this with him.

• 47:08Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Jay Shetty?

  And that's what I'm so grateful for this.

• 47:10Tony Robbins?

  Too.

• 47:10Jay Shetty?

  I sat with him and I said to him, I said, you've done everything that's difficult and uncomfortable, potentially known to human beings in in your field. What's the most difficult thing you've ever done? And I didn't, I didn't know what to expect and I never do. I try not to project or predict what I think someone's going to say. And he said to me, he said, the most difficult thing that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go down next to me.

• 47:39Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:40Jay Shetty?

  And having to carry on the mission.

• 47:41Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:42Jay Shetty?

  Without getting the moment to save.

• 47:44Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:44Jay Shetty?

  To mourn.

• 47:45Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:46Jay Shetty?

  To hold, to carry. He goes, I just have to continue the mission.

• 47:49Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:51Jay Shetty?

  And that was just an answer that, you know, he could have said, oh, I was like standing in the cold water, I was doing this, I was doing that. And so I wanted to ask you. What was the most difficult thing when you know all this and you've seen someone's pain? And either they weren't willing to apply it, you saw them too late. Has there been someone in your life that you're like, I had all these tools to help them with, but they weren't ready to receive all that? It wasn't accessible at that time for them? Has there been that? Or have you found that you've always found a way to get through? And not even you personally, I mean, in your personal life too?

• 48:23Tony Robbins?

  Yeah. First of all, I identify, I agree with what Jacques told you, which is, um, you know, dealing with the loss of someone you care about is probably the most difficult thing of all. I would say maybe, uh, as a child, seeing the level of frustration between my parents, you know, I had four different fathers and watching them kind of, um, you know, accept whatever life gave them as a, it's why a lot of my drive came about is seeing my fathers be berated by my mother, who I love dearly, um, and just watching them break down like, you know, I'm probably the single most painful event of my life, but also shaped me in such a beautiful way was when I was 11 years old. We had no money for food and it was Thanksgiving, which in America is a, you know, big holiday feast.

• 49:07Tony Robbins?

  And so we'd been without food before we'd have crackers and butter and, you know, we survived. But we weren't gonna have a Thanksgiving feast. And there was knock at the door and I go to the door and there's this giant guy there with groceries in each hand. He had a pot beside him on the ground with a uncooked turkey. And I, I just like, I said, uh, who are you here for? He goes, I'd like to speak to your father. And my mom and dad were yelling at each other, saying things that you can never take back. And I'm trying to make sure my younger brother and sister, they're five and seven years younger, wouldn't hear any of this. And that day changed my life because I thought it was gonna be the most exciting day. Dad, dad, go to the front. What is it? I said, it's for you. You answered. No, it's for you. I remember I opened the door and I was just so excited to see my father be happy. Like, we're gonna have a feast. This is gonna be incredible. And he got angry. And he's like, we don't accept charity.

• 49:52Tony Robbins?

  He went to slam the door in the man's face and the man's foot was there, so it bounced off his foot. He still opened the groceries. And he's like, sir, I'm just the delivery guy. He said, it's, it's not charity. Everybody has a tough time. Someone bought this and they're sending it to you as a gift. My father said, we don't take charity. Goes to close the door again. This time the guy's shoulder was there also, so it bounced off again. And then I was standing right there and there was this moment I'll never get where the, this man looked at my father and he looked at me and he said, sir, don't let your ego make your family, uh, suffer. And the veins on my dad's face on the side of his neck, I'll never forget they bulge like his face turned around. I thought I was gonna punch him in the face. And then there's this moment, my dad's shoulders dropped.

• 50:35Tony Robbins?

  He took the groceries, slammed the door, didn't say thank you. And stormed off and I must remember thinking. Like, how come he's not happy? You know, you talk about pain, it's like I love my father so much. And he, there's basically three decisions that I think everybody makes in their life, whether they're aware of it or not, moment to moment. I figured this out afterwards because I was so obsessed with what's wrong because he eventually left our family. And that was the most painful thing I ever had. So it's like feeling like I failed, you know, I blame myself, like, why couldn't I get through to my father? You know, I was 11 years old. But later on, it helped me understand that three decisions are first, you gotta decide what to focus on. Every moment of your life, there's something grabbing your focus and you don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on. Right? What's wrong is always available. So is what's right. Right?

• 51:20Tony Robbins?

  And they're different kinds of focus. And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it. You know, he hadn't taken care of his family. It was no money for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about, once you focus on something is what does it mean? Is this the end or the beginning? If you think it's the end of a relationship, you're going to behave different than it's the beginning, right? Um, my dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so then the third decision is what do I do, which whatever meaning come up with creates the emotions, which affects what you do. And what he decided to do was leave our family. But for me, it was like, this is amazing. I mean, you know, we are having Thanksgivings. You know, this is, this is incredible. We have food. What a concept.

• 52:01Tony Robbins?

  And then the meaning though is what changed my whole life, which was, wow, strangers care. That completely changed my life. That painful experience. I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted no credit. Delivered this food to my family. And so what I decided to do is say someday I'm gonna do this for another family. So when I was seventeen, I had two families and it was a euphoric experience. I went in jeans and a T-shirt and then go like the delivery guy, but I wanted to see the face of the people. And then next year was four people and then it was eight and I literally, my thing was doubling. I had a little company and then I got to a million people a year and I got to four million people a year. Then when I was doing Money Master the Game, I'm interviewing these billionaires, Jay. And I'm watching Congress cut food stamps, it's now called the SNAP program,

• 52:45Tony Robbins?

  by, I think it was six billion dollars. So every family that actually needs food, and my family was one of those back then, they all have to come up with a week's worth of food out of every month. So I was like, I called my team and I said, how many people have I fed in my lifetime? I didn't know that was forty-two million meals. I was like, this is pretty cool. And I was like, what if I fed fifty million people, like my entire lifetime in one year? And I was like, what if I did a hundred million? What if I fed a billion people in ten years? So that was seven years ago, we're at eight hundred and fifty million meals, right? And I'm gonna hit the billion earlier than what my promise and targeted. And then I've got a sustainable approach. But I tell you that because my worst day was my best day. My, the most painful day, the day where I felt like I'd do the least, where I felt impotent,

• 53:26Tony Robbins?

  led me to have new understandings, new skills, new capacities, new drives, new hunger. I mean, would I really be feeding a hundred million people a year? A hundred million meals a year if I was well-fed as a child? Probably not. And I love to believe I'm such a perfect person, but no, I'm just, I just know what suffering feels like, so I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know? So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life, if we don't let them crush us, we let them drive us, they, they actually become the best day in your life. And taking your worst day and making your best day is a beautiful target for anybody.

• 53:59Jay Shetty?

  That, that is just, it's magical even hearing it.

• 54:02Tony Robbins?

  It's magical experiencing it. It changed my life.

• 54:05Jay Shetty?

  Exactly. I can only imagine, like, just hearing it, I'm just, you know, it's such a beautiful visual, so to live it is just, you know, on the other end of that. Thank you for sharing that so much. It's such a, it's so profound and so wonderful with the, with the question that I have.

• 54:19Tony Robbins?

  It's where you see, it's where you see there's grace in life too. It's like, if you can, like, I used to think in the early days, because my mom was beautiful. She was the most influential person in my life. And yet, she also, when she drank alcohol and took, um, you know, prescription medication, she got crazy.

• 54:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:34Tony Robbins?

  So she smashed my head against the wall to my bladder, feed me liquid soap. And I never told anybody about this when she was alive, but I had this group of young kids that I could see, a tall, white guy who seems to be quite successful, you know, what does he know? So I told them the whole story. But out of all that, it's like, if my mom had been the mother I wanted her to be.

• 54:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Tony Robbins?

  I'd probably not be the man I'm proud to be.

• 54:54Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 54:54Tony Robbins?

  Like, I, I had to grow. I had to become a practical psychologist at eleven to manage her so that my brother and sister weren't messed up. And it's like, there's grace in everything. And I always, I always think it's like, it's our job to realize that life's happening for us, not to us. And to find how it's happening for us, that's our job. If we do that, then we have a magical life. If we don't, but if your energy's low and you're exhausted, then you don't, you don't find those empowering meanings.

• 55:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Tony Robbins?

  You know, that's why, to me, you can't separate the mind and the body. You gotta, you gotta feed the mind and strengthen the body.

• 55:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:25Tony Robbins?

  On a daily basis in some way. And if you do that, life can be pretty miraculous.

• 55:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I did that for too long. I, I can actually relate to that. And it was my wife that turned me on to the body. Because I was one of those people that focused on the mind and the spirit.

• 55:37Tony Robbins?

  Right.

• 55:38Jay Shetty?

  And as I shared with you earlier. Ignore the body.

• 55:41Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:41Jay Shetty?

  Because I thought, well, I'm young, I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical health looks like.

• 55:45Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Jay Shetty?

  And then my wife is a nutrition, a dietitianist, and I already health counselor, counselor. She comes into my life and she's just like, you need to do this, this, this, this, this. You need to change this in your diet. And I'm thinking, why are you asking me to change? But it was so fascinating to me because it's exactly what you just said.

• 56:01Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 56:01Jay Shetty?

  You can't disconnect the two. And going on that, you said focus and mood about your father.

• 56:05Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 56:06Jay Shetty?

  You have a whole section in here dedicated to focus and mood.

• 56:08Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 56:09Jay Shetty?

  Walk us through that because what you just explained to us is the emotional focus and mood.

• 56:13Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 56:13Jay Shetty?

  Of your father.

• 56:14Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 56:14Jay Shetty?

  But here you're talking about how the physicality of focus and mood can affect that.

• 56:17Tony Robbins?

  They go, they go together.

• 56:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Tony Robbins?

  I, I'll give an example of how powerful they are for the psychological side. Uh, right now, you know, out of COVID, so many people have been shut down in a terrible place. And, you know, I'm sure you've seen that, um, drug overdoses are the largest they've ever been in history. It was over a hundred thousand people last year. Suicides, one out of four kids under the age of thirty, according to the CDC, whether they're accurate or not, I don't know, have considered suicide sometime in the last two years. Cause we all need a compelling future. We need to look something we look forward to. So Stanford came to me and their genetics lab has been doing research on depression. And what they found was that by doing meta-studies is only forty percent of the people who go in for therapy, who they get drugs and therapy together usually, only forty percent make any improvement, sixty percent don't improve at all. That's not a lot more than

• 57:04Tony Robbins?

  what you can get on some placebos. And so they approached me and said, a couple of people went through one of your programs. One was clinically depressed or not anymore, but we don't have any science on this. Would you be willing to let us do a science test? I said, sure. So they came out to the State of Destiny seminar I do, which helps people to change their values and belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be, but they figure out what it needs to be. And it changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life, how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of your model of the world, basically, in six days. And so they said, we're going to model this after the greatest breakthrough they found in science and no one able to follow up on. About two years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression, and they gave people psilocybin, right, which comes from magic mushrooms. And they did

• 57:49Tony Robbins?

  therapy for thirty days. And at the end of it, fifty-three percent of the people were depression-free thirty days later. Never happened. Like, when we say forty percent are helped, the average amount of help is fifty percent less depressed, right? That's what the average is. Some people completely turn around, some people don't. In this one, fifty-three percent of the people, so it's four times the result of any drug that ever been done. But unfortunately, psilocybin's not legal, so they're still working on that. And they said, we're going to copy that exact study. And we're going to have a group that they compare to, which is, didn't go to the seminar, the comparison group is going to do gratitude journaling and so forth. This positive psychology talks about that. And they said, that's probably what this seminar does, is just positive thinking. Well, the cool thing was when they came out, the results were so amazing at Stanford, that they went and had two new

• 58:34Tony Robbins?

  additional double-blind people do the research, because it just seemed so ridiculous. At the end of the first week, sixty-three percent of people had no depression symptoms. At the end of six weeks, it can increase through time. A hundred percent of the people had no depression symptoms. Nineteen percent of the people had suicidal ideation, zero had suicidal ideation. It blows away any study. It just came out, it's coming out next week in the psychiatric journal, which is Journal of Medical Medication Association Psychiatric Journal, or the two top journals in the field. They can't even believe it. So they're going to do more. And the actual scientific article says, this is more powerful than any drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined. And what are we doing?

• 59:16Tony Robbins?

  We're getting people to change, basically, those three questions to some extent. Because your values control what you focus on. If you're security-driven and you're here down in my basement right now, you're like, "Where's the exit?" Right? You came down a slide, like, "How do I get out of here?" If you're adventure-driven, you don't care. You don't even know where it is. So your focus is controlled by your values and your belief systems. Right? The meaning of things is controlled by your belief systems. So those three decision-making things, you know, what I'm gonna focus on, what's it mean, what I'm gonna do, shift. And one good example of this, Jay, is, maybe your audience can relate to this. Because we just took three patterns. So let's say, focus, most people have a focus either on what they have or what's missing. We both, we all do both.

• 59:59Tony Robbins?

  But what do you think most people focus on more often? What they have or what's missing? What's missing? That's right. Now, even achievers do that. Like, it's not like somebody who's not successful. It's one of the reasons you see these achievers, that no matter what they do, it's never enough. Because think about it, if you're always focusing what's missing from your life, how can you sustain happiness? It's software that will not allow that. You'll feel happy for a little moment, then you'll notice it's missing again. Um, what do you think's more often people focus on? What they can control or can't control? What they can't control. Yeah. In my seminars, it's can control. That's why they go. "I wanna learn how to take control of my body, or my finances, or my business, whatever it is." So it's the opposite. But the average person, it's what they can't control. And with COVID, there's so much you can't control around you, that people really sunk in that.

• 1:00:43Tony Robbins?

  Well, how's someone gonna feel? Just, everyone think about it. If you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and what you can't control. And then I'll add one more. Do you focus more on the past, the present, or the future? We all do all three, but we tend to have one we focus more on. Where do you think more people focus? Past. That's right. And achievers focus on the future, and happy people on the present. So, so that, you know, if you're gonna be an achiever, the ideal is the present, so you experience it, anticipating the future, so you can shape your life, right? But the past, you can't change. So I ask people in seminars, you got stadium fifteen, twenty thousand people, and they'll say, "How many of you know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed?" And eighty percent of the room raised their hand, saying they know somebody.

• 1:01:28Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:01:28Tony Robbins?

  Well, how come? Because all antidepressants do is numb you so that you're less intense, but they don't deal with the source of the problem, which is you're constantly seeing what's missing. And it doesn't matter whether you're successful or not. That's why there are these people that have been wealthy and think their own life. They see what's missing. They focus on all the things they can't control. There's plenty we can't control. Or there's plenty we can influence and plenty we can't control. And just a couple of changes like that completely change someone's life. And so those changes in the beliefs and values change what they look moment to moment, change their experience of life, they're no longer depressed.

• 1:01:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the biggest thing that I learned from that, apart from all the incredible stuff you said, is I didn't think about security once when we came down the slide.

• 1:02:08Jay Shetty?

  That's either because I trust you a lot. If it was someone else telling me to get down the slide, I don't know if I would have done it. But now, now I'm like going, oh, wait a minute, we're underwater. Now I'm starting to have all these thoughts. That's incredible. That's, yeah, that's, those questions are fascinating to me. And you were saying that the people that come to your seminars are people that are the opposite. And I think the same of the people that listen to this podcast. They're choosing to listen to this podcast.

• 1:02:31Tony Robbins?

  Because they want to take charge.

• 1:02:32Jay Shetty?

  Over just watching a show or binge watching another series. They're here trying to take charge of that. What kind of assurance can you give them that that mindset is one that they should keep watering? Because I feel that often, and you've probably heard this in your seminars time and time again, people are like, Tony, I'm trying. I read the book. I'm, I'm trying to put into practice, but I still keep failing or I still keep struggling. Someone who's already on but feels that failure, that rejection, that pushback, what can keep them going?

• 1:03:01Tony Robbins?

  I think it's understanding there's no replacement for persistence, as simplistic as that is. It's like, you know, disappointment either destroys you or drives you, and you have to decide which one it's going to be. If you don't consciously decide, there's always going to be more BS for you to deal with. And I think, but that's why I think, you know, when I do my events, the reason I do the 12 hours a day, not because I like talking. It's just that I can tell you something all day long, or I can get you to build the muscle.

• 1:03:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Tony Robbins?

  And to build the muscle is by experiencing it. I always tell people a belief, a belief is a poor substitute for an experience. Like I can have a belief about you, but I experience you. So I get to know who you are, right? Same thing is true. Like you have a belief about China, have a belief about working out. So I try to get people experiences that are so profound. And then, you know, the, the studies they did, they found people 12 months later, 11 months later, we're still in the middle of COVID. They did my digital seminar and you know, they measured my body like the amount of times I jump, I jump a thousand times a day. I weigh 282 pounds and I come down four times the body weight. So it's a thousand pounds times a thousand pounds of pressure. I, my lactic acid, if you've ever been with a friend and you're running and you can't talk. The point you can't talk is a level four of lactic acid. I'm at an 18 and still speaking. So they decided to do that on my audience.

• 1:04:13Tony Robbins?

  And they found an interesting pattern. It's the same group that works with some of the, you know, Super Bowl champions and some of the Stanley Cup champions and so forth. There's a ratio in the body of testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone. And when the ratio is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline or bloodstream. It literally gets you to follow through. So when they did my audience and my live seminar, they found that people literally mirror me all the way through the experience.

• 1:04:39Jay Shetty?

  That's phenomenal.

• 1:04:40Tony Robbins?

  Biochemically.

• 1:04:41Jay Shetty?

  That is phenomenal.

• 1:04:42Tony Robbins?

  But then we did it on, we did it, you know, cause all of a sudden overnight they said to me, you know, we're going to San Francisco and the governor of California says, you can only have 10 people. And we have 15,000. So I was like, we'll go to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas. They shut down Vegas. So I was like, okay, we'll do 1500 movie theaters with 10 people in them. They shut down the movie theaters like, okay, we'll go to a church in Houston. I got a buddy, I'll rent his church for 15,000 people. They're not going to keep Costco open and shut down the church. They kept Costco open and shut down the church. So I finally said, okay, I'm not going to do some crappy webinar. So I get this vision. I'm going to build this facility with 20 foot high LED screens, 50 feet wide all around me. I'm going to call Eric Yon at Zoom. We'll get them from a thousand up to 25,000 people. So I could interact with people live in real time. I'm going to build an app so they can shake it.

• 1:05:26Tony Robbins?

  And the more people do it, the louder it gets. So it's real. So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing bigger events than ever in our entire history. But they did the same measurements on them in different parts of the world and saw the exact same nearing process.

• 1:05:39Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:05:39Tony Robbins?

  And the average person.

• 1:05:41Jay Shetty?

  Even digitally, just to clarify, ever, yeah.

• 1:05:43Tony Robbins?

  Um, seventy one percent of the, they had seventy one percent drop in negative emotions, fifty three percent improvement in positive emotions. And eleven months later, in the middle of COVID, it held. Because it's a biochemical change. So when people say, oh, I'm trying, I wrote that's, I write books because it's, it's an easy entry point to people. There's so much you can learn from a book, but there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events.

• 1:06:07Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:07Tony Robbins?

  And like this last two years, because of COVID, I did two, like six day free events. We had eight hundred thousand people attend for six days just four weeks ago. Because I just wanted people to have answers where they are. And then people start to see they get momentum, but it's hard to do just reading something or watching a couple of, you know, you know, twenty minute or fifteen minute or five minute little pieces on YouTube.

• 1:06:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Tony Robbins?

  Those are great. They might inspire you, but a transformation requires immersion.

• 1:06:33Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:06:34Tony Robbins?

  It's like, if you ask the average person, did you study a foreign language in school? And most people, oh, yeah, high school or college, speak it. They don't. But if you turn around and you said, okay, what if you want to learn Italian? And I just took you to Rome and dumped you off for six weeks.

• 1:06:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Tony Robbins?

  With no teacher, you're going to come back six weeks later speaking, you know, Italian. So it's immersion. And if you want to master something, I think that's the thing most people don't do.

• 1:06:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:58Tony Robbins?

  They read a little bit, they listen a bit, they dip in and out. They don't go day and night, night and day in total immersion in something that transforms them and also something that makes them push through their fears.

• 1:07:08Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:07:09Tony Robbins?

  Because in the end, that's the only thing that stops you. Everybody's got a story. I didn't know this person. I don't have the resources. They have all the things they don't have. But if you're resourceful, you can get the money, you can get the time, you can get the energy, you can get anything you want. And you've got to get over your fear to be resourceful. So we do experiences that are so physiologically profound.

• 1:07:28Tony Robbins?

  That those fears do not stop you anymore.

• 1:07:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Tony Robbins?

  And that's what, that's how we get people to get, you know, 10 years later, they're still transformed from an experience that was one weekend.

• 1:07:36Jay Shetty?

  The fact that people are mirroring you, that is even digitally, even through a screen, that is mind blowing.

• 1:07:42Tony Robbins?

  It is mind blowing.

• 1:07:43Jay Shetty?

  And that's through a screen too.

• 1:07:44Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:44Jay Shetty?

  That blew my mind even more.

• 1:07:45Tony Robbins?

  But you know what's really cool about the screens is like, if you're in my seminar, you're in a giant stadium and I'm a dot, I mean, most people are watching me on a screen anyway, right? Unless you're in the front rows and, but you know, I can see your eyes and feel what's going on. I'm running around the building here. I can scan so many people and I see them in their home. I see them with their children. I see the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see what they're eating, you know, it's just, it's, and I'm with them 12, 13 hours a day for three or four days. And we start here, for example, at 10 a.m. and we're in 195 countries. So we got one for 25,000 people, March 17th to the 20th here. And we will have people in Australia starting at midnight.

• 1:08:23Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:08:24Tony Robbins?

  And going till one in the afternoon the next day for four days.

• 1:08:26Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:08:26Tony Robbins?

  And people in Italy are doing it at a different time. So it's like, we literally have the whole world engaged. So that's been the blessing of COVID. It's like, I always tell people, you use stress or stress uses you, right? Yeah. I had to figure out how to use COVID. Um, and I wanted to serve people. We found the way. But again, none of this happens when you run out of energy.

• 1:08:43Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:08:44Tony Robbins?

  Cause your brain will just go, oh man, I tried to everything.

• 1:08:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. You walk yourself out of it. And I, and I love, the thing I love about immersion in events or retreats is that you actually build friendships.

• 1:08:53Tony Robbins?

  That's right.

• 1:08:53Jay Shetty?

  The community that's built.

• 1:08:54Tony Robbins?

  Community for sure.

• 1:08:55Jay Shetty?

  The community of that accountability of we're doing this together, we're growing together, we're building together that there are people who think like me and look like me. I'm intrigued, Tony, at this stage in your life, what do you look for in a friend?

• 1:09:05Tony Robbins?

  In a friend?

• 1:09:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Tony Robbins?

  Well, that's an interesting question.

• 1:09:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Tony Robbins?

  Most of my friends are people that are unbelievably driven to contribute. I mean, I, I think, you know, if you want an extraordinary life, like you don't have to do that much to have a good life for yourself. So it's like, most of us, if you find something you care about more than yourself, and I know you know what I'm talking about, Jay, and you want to serve something like you and I both, I think, see what we do as a calling. It's not a, it's not a work per se. It was work. I don't need to work every, another day of my life, but I'm called, you know? So I think my friends are people that are called. And my friends are people that are funny. Cause I love to laugh, but they're just, I love. I'm the kind of guy, I'm so easy. If I go to a movie and somebody sacrifices and does the right thing, you know?

• 1:09:50Tony Robbins?

  I pry my eyes out. It's just like, I've done since I was a little boy, there's something inside me that just says, that's the goodness of the human spirit, you know? And so my friends are people that are made up of that, basically. And I have friends that are incredibly successful and best in the world they do. I have a lot of friends that are 18 years my senior, 20 years my senior. And I've known them since they were, you know, 45 and now they're 75 or 80. And so they've given me kind of see the road ahead. Everybody's path is different. But the road of life changes and I'm, I'm, you know, I'm in a stage in my life now where I'm, um. I'm able to mentor people at a different level, you know, just because I've had so many life experiences that I've taken to history, you know?

• 1:10:31Tony Robbins?

  I've been there with Gorbachev at point when he's trying to figure out what to do or Princess Diana, when she's deciding. Does she want to no longer be princess? You know, I've had some wild experiences, the greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers. So I've had these cool tickets to history, which have put things in such a perspective. That when stuff happens that upsets people, it's like, you know, compared to what? It's like, you know, it's a, it's pretty simple compared to what most people happen to go through. So I feel really blessed. But I hope people in the book, one of the things I hope people pick up. That, you know, young people don't think about very much is testing. I was never a person that, like you with your wife, right? Ah, I want to do this thing. And then in order to perform, I learned every biohack.

• 1:11:16Tony Robbins?

  But like, I don't want to get in the system and get measured. But today, there's some amazing tests. So like, I used to be afraid of cancer. There's a brand new test. The one thing in common, the book I should mention is, I tell you all these stories of these amazing beings that have created these breakthroughs. And what they all have in common, they, these huge breakthroughs, some of which took 20 or 30 years and are just now available. They all lost somebody. They lost a wife or a husband or a child or a close patient. And it drove them not to accept the standard of care and find a new solution. And so one of those is this test called Grail. It's a simple blood test that anybody can do now. Just came out nine months ago, eight months ago. And it allows you to test your body for any cancer in your body. And it's like, why is that important?

• 1:12:00Tony Robbins?

  Well, because the National Cancer Institute did a study and they found that if you get diagnosed at stage two, stage three or four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer I have a 20% chance of living and figuring that out, but their point is well made. It's hard to turn around. If you get it at stage one or two, you have an 80 to 99.9% chance of living. So with cancer, it's going to affect most people in their lifetime. Be able to do a quick blood test and/or an MRI for those pieces and know exactly what's going on in your body is amazing. We had a doc or a gentleman that came to one of our centers and he had already had his physical and his wife said, I want you to have the very best. And he's like, ah, I've already done, he had a really negative attitude about it, which we understood. And one of the docs said, listen, let's do the Grail test on you.

• 1:12:44Tony Robbins?

  He'd already had urinalysis, blood tests, traditional and physical, and the guy ended up having bladder cancer. And, but it was really early stage. Caught it early, right, right, right. So it was a 20 minute outpatient procedure. He has no cancer. If he wouldn't have caught it, you got a real problem. Another one is, uh, it's called a C C T A scan. It's brand new. It's, uh, one of my doctor friends and one of my partners in one of my businesses called me up and he says, Tony, and he's like Mr. Understate and he built 12 hospitals and then he sold them because he wants to be in prevention and regeneration. And he says, Tony, there's been one of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen the last 10 years. You gotta come check it out. What is it? He goes, when a doctor does a CT scan, usually you don't get that unless you've got a problem. There's a lot, it's hard to read those scans. They're very gray. If you're very skilled, you'll still miss it.

• 1:13:29Tony Robbins?

  But there's this new scan now that uses AI and it literally opens every artery in your body because what they're looking for is soft plaques. Soft plaques can break off and it's called the widow maker, give you a heart attack or a stroke. If you're, and it happens to people now 35, 40 years old. It's, it's happening younger and younger because of the lifestyles that we've taken on. But what's interesting is hardened calcium, which is what they see when they do just a traditional, it's healed. So I heard about it, said, I'm going to go do the scan. And I took my father-in-law with me because he's 80 years old and. You know, people around you, when you get older, start saying you should organize your affairs. And I could just see his energy drop. He's a great guy. Anyway, I took him to the scan. He's perfect. He's absolutely perfect. And his entire attitude changed.

• 1:14:11Tony Robbins?

  Plus, you know, we have the stuff we do for a lot of the great athletes think their careers over where they scan an area where you've had an injury. And they use ultrasound. And then they use this fluid, amniocledic fluid, and they open up the channel so that a nerve that's been trapped or some area heals, it heals in minutes. And so my, my father in law also had this hip problem. He had this hip problem in thirty minutes. His heart's perfect. We get on the airplane on the way home and he looks at me and goes, you know, Tony, these people talk about living one hundred and ten, one hundred and twenty. I don't know about that, but I could live another twenty years. I got a great heart. I got this great body. And he's like, and I'm walking perfectly. He goes, you've only been married to my daughter twenty two years. That's like another lifetime, you know? And so what I love is what it does for people. And then, and then same thing with hormones.

• 1:14:54Tony Robbins?

  You know, when somewhere between thirty five and forty, sometimes early forties, hormones start to change radically. Women are more attuned to hormones, but they learn the hormone replacement therapy. But like I had a guy that came, he's thirty nine years old. Gained like, I don't know, I think it was like thirty five, thirty eight pounds or something like that. Really working out hard, making no progress, lost his sense of drive. And we said, well, if you looked at your hormones, he goes, yeah, my doc looked at my hormones, my hormones are fine. Well, we look at the blood test. And his hormones, I think, were, his testosterone was like one sixty. Most men don't feel alive, but unless they have seven to eight hundred, some as much as a thousand. So he doesn't need replacement technically to be alive.

• 1:15:35Tony Robbins?

  But to have his body functioning at ideal was missing. So all he did was small amount of testosterone. Total transformation, loses weight, got his drive, got his libido back, got everything else back. So there's some little things you do. There's metal tests. I had a really bad, uh, rat hit with mercury. Cause I was a vegan. Then I felt like I needed some other form of protein. So I started eating fish and all I had was salad and fish, salad and fish. But I had tuna and swordfish are my favorites. Those are seventy five year old fish. They don't have the smaller fish and we polluted the water so much now, they're filled with mercury. And so I went to go get this set of tests and they tested me and on a zero to five, where five is extremely concerning, I was one twenty three.

• 1:16:17Tony Robbins?

  And so I've spent the last four or five years getting that mercury out of my body. It literally was make it interrupt your ATP, your energy level. Like if you start feeling foggy or exhausted or tired. It can be metals.

• 1:16:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Tony Robbins?

  And about one out of every three people, including friends who are twenty five years old, because of the environment in right now. They go and they discover they've got cadmium, or they've got lead, or they've got mercury. So I really encourage people to go do that metals test. If you're not feeling great, a lot of times when people think it's aging.

• 1:16:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Tony Robbins?

  It's just metals.

• 1:16:45Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:16:45Tony Robbins?

  And you can get them out of your system when they're small, and it's a hell of a lot easier than what I've come through in my life.

• 1:16:51Jay Shetty?

  And it's always, it's really interesting because you keep pushing, you can get lost in the fact that it's all in your head.

• 1:16:56Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Jay Shetty?

  And the truth is, it isn't always all in your head.

• 1:16:59Tony Robbins?

  Sometimes it's physiological as well.

• 1:17:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I had that recently where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and did, I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests, I did a lot of other tests. I want to go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended. I'm gonna definitely ask you where I should go. But I went and did a basic vitamin D test. I've been doing this since I was a kid.

• 1:17:15Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:16Jay Shetty?

  And I went, and my doctor, and my, and my health coach was looking at the stats and everything, and she said to me, she said, Jay, you're at a ten.

• 1:17:23Tony Robbins?

  Wow.

• 1:17:23Jay Shetty?

  The average is sixty and hundred is good.

• 1:17:26Tony Robbins?

  That's right.

• 1:17:26Jay Shetty?

  She goes, I don't know how you get out of bed in the morning.

• 1:17:28Tony Robbins?

  Yeah. And then it affects your hormones, by the way.

• 1:17:30Jay Shetty?

  Correct.

• 1:17:31Tony Robbins?

  D three affects your hormones.

• 1:17:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I was like, I get out of bed just fine. And, and she couldn't believe that I was.

• 1:17:35Tony Robbins?

  You can overcome a lot with your psychology.

• 1:17:37Jay Shetty?

  Correct.

• 1:17:38Tony Robbins?

  Right? I was doing the same thing with mercury in my body.

• 1:17:39Jay Shetty?

  Correct, but I was thinking, imagine if my body was there too, like just imagine what would be possible.

• 1:17:45Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Jay Shetty?

  And I think that's why I love what you've done with this book, Life Force, because that's what it's placing emphasis on.

• 1:17:51Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:51Jay Shetty?

  So go get tested, go check it out. I love how you use the language of coaches, not commanders.

• 1:17:56Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 1:17:56Jay Shetty?

  Right? Like, we're not trying to, you're not saying to anyone, this is exactly what to do, and this is how to do it. You're saying, please go and experiment with these things, please go and practice them, implement them into your life. And I cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these things in my life, because I think it's so easy to sit back when you're in your twenties, in your thirties.

• 1:18:13Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 1:18:14Jay Shetty?

  And just go, I'm okay right now, things are okay, I can eat, I can pretty much get away with a bad night out or.

• 1:18:18Tony Robbins?

  You know what else about this book, even the subtitle says it, it's for you and somebody you love.

• 1:18:22Jay Shetty?

  Yes, I love that, yeah.

• 1:18:23Tony Robbins?

  At, at the stage of life you're in, you're gonna start finding more people, whether it be your parents or someone else, this is a challenge. And so there's, like, whether it's, like, for me at this stage of my life, I know so many people that. I don't know, two times a month at least, someone calls me and they have family member with cancer or somebody's starting to develop Alzheimer's or somebody had a stroke. And I don't know what the hell to do before, right? Cause the standard of care is so weak in those areas. But here you've got answers that'll blow your mind. Or you know, somebody with Parkinson's, for example, like your grandma or somebody like that. Uh, there's this new technique. It's unbelievable. He's ultrasound. It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut you open anyway. I saw this woman who's on 15 medications. I don't know if you've seen somebody with Parkinson's, but they can't, they can't even hold a glass. They can't, she couldn't walk across the room.

• 1:19:07Tony Robbins?

  And they, it's an outpatient process. It's in a hundred universities and, and it's covered by insurance now. This is all the whole unbelievable business and most people don't know about it. You go in, it takes about an hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating the tremor. They treat it for 30 seconds. The woman comes out of the MRI, right? And she gets up, walks across the room, I'm watching her. And then somebody hands her a glass and it doesn't hit her like at first. I don't know if you've ever seen somebody gets those audio implants and they hear for the first time.

• 1:19:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:35Tony Robbins?

  Well, when they enter the glass and she can hold the glass, she just start crying uncontrollably. That was two years ago. Um, two months ago, she did a 50 mile bike ride. Right? I mean, it's, that's the kind of tools are available. If you've got osteo, if someone's got osteoarthritis and even kids 35, 40 years old, they're athletes can create some real challenges in their body there. There's a new injection. This is not approved yet. It's a phase three trial. So phase one is safety and then phase two is efficacy. And then phase three is efficacy at scale, then you get approved. So it's in the final stage. They think it'll be approved either in the fall or spring of next year. One injection. If you've got osteoarthritis, it's causes your own stem cells to regrow all your tendons based on the original DNA input.

• 1:20:17Tony Robbins?

  So it's like 16 year old tendons, even if you're 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old. And no more osteoarthritis, branded tendons inside your body. So that's the kind of world we're in right now. These are things that are happening right now that people just don't know about.

• 1:20:29Jay Shetty?

  And why, and why don't we know about them? And why, why is it that you have to go and dig all? Because it seems like what you've done is you've mined. You and the team have gone in mind and gone to the very best to bring this to the fore.

• 1:20:39Tony Robbins?

  Like all my billionaire friends, they all know this because they all want the cutting edge, right? So all I do is. Kind of took what I did with Money Master the Game. That's how I got introduced to some of this. And then I, and also it was my own needs. I tore my rotator cuffs so severely. I was in a, following a 22 year old professional snowboarder down a hill. And I'm not a professional snowboarder. I cannot make those moves. And literally when I woke up, was unconscious, I thought I broke my neck. I ripped my rotator cuffs. So what do you do? I go to four different doctors. They all say, surgery, surgery. Well, what's the prognosis? Well, you may not lift your arm above your shoulder again. It could tear again. How long to repair? How long did rehab? Four to six months. I'm going to be on stage doing this with one arm over here. So I, I work with a lot of the greatest of all time athletes and Christian Ronaldo was supposed to be out for three months. He did stem cells. It took him two and a half weeks.

• 1:21:25Tony Robbins?

  So I was like, what about stem? No, no, they don't work. They don't work. And then it's like, I, I, I had the final doc literally looked me in the face. And he, he was a fan of my work. I didn't know going there. And he's like, oh my God, you're the Tony Robbins. He goes on and on. You saved my marriage. You made me all this money, da, da, da. And he goes, thanks for hearing that, but now I gotta be your doctor. And he puts my spine up and he goes, life as you know it is over. Literally what he said to me. And I said, well, you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar. And he's, and he's like, this is not funny. Don't make a joke. This is real. And he goes, you know, you have severe spinal stenosis. I've been pain for 14 years. And he goes, one good hit and you're quadriplegic. No more jumping, no more running, no more life. And like, if you're hitting the stomach and you're ready for it, I wasn't ready for it. I gotta be honest. There was two hours of my, feeling like my life was over. And then I got my head back.

• 1:22:11Tony Robbins?

  And then I was like, okay, I'm going to check out stem cells. And I met Bob Perri. All the top guys in the world. He told me where to go in the United States, the ones I needed, you know, for your elbow, your knee, your own stem cells might work. But if you're doing a shoulder and a back or something, you need something more powerful. And he said, you need four day old stem cells. I go, I said, I don't want, you know, something that comes from babies. He goes, no, no, no, no. He goes, when babies are born, the cord is filled with this and the placenta is filled with these. And so I went and did four days of treatment, just an hour a day of an IV and a shot. First day I felt sleepy, second day I had a cytokine response. I wasn't scared. I knew it was gonna shaking, freezing for twenty minutes. But then I woke up the next morning and not only was my shoulder broken, you get an MRI on my shoulder, you wouldn't even believe it.

• 1:22:53Tony Robbins?

  No downtime, no surgery, but my spinal stenosis is gone. I got no pain in my spine and I've had that for fourteen years. So it's like that made me, that's why I wrote this book. I became obsessed. Then the Pope invited me to come speak. The Pope puts on the biggest regenerative conference every two years and they want me to be the cleanup speaker. I'm like, I'll do that, but I wanna go through all four days.

• 1:23:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:13Tony Robbins?

  And then I met all these people that were sent home to die with cancer who've been turned around, you know, stage four cancer, because they, some of the techniques in this book. I met Jack Nicklaus, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't stand for more than ten minutes. The pain was so bad. And now he's, he did, was supposed to have a spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God. And he did stem cells and now he's eighty-two playing golf and tennis again. So I was like, I became an evangelist. And then I just, I went and said, I wanna learn the best of everything. And I learned it was much more than stem cells. It's this, just like you see technology doubling in power every eighteen months and having a cost. We are code now. So most people have heard CRISPR. I mean, we're literally curing diseases that would never have been cured in history before.

• 1:23:54Tony Robbins?

  And we're at the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. So it's only up from here and the opportunities are extraordinary. But you can think of yourself, but you can also think of people you love who might need your help and now you'll have answers.

• 1:24:04Jay Shetty?

  Definitely. I'm so grateful to you, Peter and Robert, for putting this book together because, I, like I said, I just dived into it and into each chapter and it's just so comprehensive. It's so dense. It's got every study and research that you need to convince you that it's out there.

• 1:24:18Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Jay Shetty?

  And now, and I love what you just added to what I was saying that we need to go use it for the people we love. If it's not for us, let's go use it for them.

• 1:24:24Tony Robbins?

  And then one day, because you helped everybody else, they'll be there for you.

• 1:24:27Jay Shetty?

  You know how to do it. Exactly. Tony, you have been so generous with your time.

• 1:24:31Tony Robbins?

  Thank you. I've enjoyed it with you very much, Jay.

• 1:24:33Jay Shetty?

  Generous with your energy.

• 1:24:34Tony Robbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:34Jay Shetty?

  Uh, and of course, in doing all the work and putting this book together, you can tell that I'm, I'm writing my second book right now. And I can tell that when you see a book that is this well researched and this deeply done, uh, you know that a lot of work has gone into that. So I wanna recommend, we're gonna put this in the link, in the caption, in the comment section, everywhere the link to this book. Uh, I know that it's already been an incredible international bestselling book all over the world. Uh, so if you haven't already got it, I highly recommend you go and get it. Get it for a friend too. Get it for a family member. Get it to give it to someone as well, if you know that they need this right now. And of course, get it for yourself.

• 1:25:10Tony Robbins?

  And we're donating, I'm donating a hundred percent of the profits in this book, because I've done all three of my books, last three books, to Feeding America, this way feeding twenty million meals there. And so besides helping yourself, you help other people. And then the balance is going for Alzheimer's, cancer, and heart disease research from three of the best researchers in the world. So hopefully, the book not only changes your life, but it'll also help other people too.

• 1:25:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's phenomenal. So you're contributing as well as reading, yeah, which is absolutely beautiful. No, I'm saying, I'm saying the audience gets to contribute through you, simply by even buying the book. Even buying the book is contributing.

• 1:25:42Tony Robbins?

  That's true.

• 1:25:42Jay Shetty?

  Tony, we end every On Purpose interview with the final five. These are five questions that are aimed at usually one word to one sentence answers.

• 1:25:51Tony Robbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:52Jay Shetty?

  But with you, yeah, with you, I don't, I don't even wanna do it with you. I'm like, I'm like, I don't wanna do that with you. I wanna break the rules. I'm like, why am I gonna restrict your greatness to that? Anyway, so here we go. These are your final five. We can totally go off piece. I do not care. I don't care at all. All right. Question number one is, what is the best advice you've ever received?

• 1:26:11Tony Robbins?

  I think for me, my original teacher was Jim Rohn, who I met when I was seventeen. And I wanted to know why all my fathers were broke, because they were good men. You know, I loved all four of my fathers. And I remember him saying, Tony, we're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace. I was like, what does that mean? And he said, well, think about it. He goes, you need to become more valuable if you want to have economic freedom. He said, you have to work on yourself more than anything else, and you have to work on it in a way where there's something you can do for others better than anyone else, or at least more, a better quality. And he gave me the example of like working at McDonald's. And he said, you know, if you work at McDonald's,

• 1:26:56Tony Robbins?

  you know, you make whatever it was in those days, five dollars an hour, whatever it was. And he said, you know, I go, yeah, but that seems so unfair. And he goes, yeah, and teachers, I gave the example of teachers, and there's these billionaires, you know, that make a billion dollars in a year, hedge fund guy, you know? And he said, Tony, the guy you just mentioned, he provided a forty percent return last year. And that went to nonprofits and everything else. He said, that means those organizations double their money almost every two years. He is adding massive value, hundreds of billion dollars. So he made a billion. He goes, this person is doing a job that anyone can learn in twenty minutes or a half a day. So it's a beginning job. He said, you've got, you've got to think of it as one thing. It's all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world? And that

• 1:27:39Tony Robbins?

  Stuck with me. I mean, I was like, I I decided I want to do more for this than anybody in the world. In order to do that, I had to have certain skills and I went after those skills and I still do. Like, it's a never ending thing. If you think you're a master, you're full of it, right?

• 1:27:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:49Tony Robbins?

  So I think that's probably some of the best advice I've received, at least on life and business and direction. And it affected my mission.

• 1:27:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's great. Uh, second question, what's the worst piece of advice you've ever heard? You've ever heard, not received, maybe received, but.

• 1:28:04Tony Robbins?

  Oh, my God. Well, I've had lots of pieces of advice about what they did to my body, which would have, you know, like, like the the really sweet man, like sincere man.

• 1:28:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Tony Robbins?

  And and I realize that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong.

• 1:28:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Tony Robbins?

  Um, but like, if I would have taken that drug, you know, I probably would have had cancer.

• 1:28:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Tony Robbins?

  Um, I don't know. I mean, I I try not to listen to or forget. I mean, advice isn't too good. I think anybody who who advises you to give up is the wrong, that's probably the worst advice of all, because anything that you persist in long enough, you can find the answer to, I believe.

• 1:28:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And based on that, also, the first piece of advice you get on your health

• 1:28:37Tony Robbins?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:28:38Jay Shetty?

  is not always the right piece of advice.

• 1:28:40Tony Robbins?

  I'm glad you mentioned this. The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017. They took 286 patients with various diagnoses and they took the first diagnosis and then they had a a second doctor do a diagnosis. Only 12% of the time did they match. That means 88% of the time, the first diagnosis and the second were different. As a result, the Mayo Clinic says you should always get a second opinion. And they believe getting a second, even a third one, refines the diagnosis and makes it better. Because everyone's working through their perceptions. It's not, we think of of medicine as like black and white. You know, it's right or it's wrong. And it's it's it's a lot of art in in medicine. People don't realize that. And that's why the standard of care doesn't always get the result they want.

• 1:29:23Tony Robbins?

  That's why these breakthrough doctors beyond the standard of care, they were attacked, some of them beginning, like there's a man named Dr. June and they're created these CAR T cells. And I think it's nature just did a publication 10 years later. They're still, you know, in cancer, they never call it a cure. They're actually calling it a cure for the first time for liquid, you know, like, like leukemia and things like liquid cancers. And it's like, it's amazing. So you you've got to understand that there's more than one opinion and you don't give up too easily with just one.

• 1:29:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And that applies to life, too, in so many ways, like you said.

• 1:29:52Tony Robbins?

  I always say it's like if it's if it's about your health, if it's about your relationship, if it's about raising your children, if it's about your spiritual development. Those are areas where people should be your coach, not your commander.

• 1:30:03Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:30:03Tony Robbins?

  Get lots of input and you decide, because. They could be sincere and be sincerely wrong. If you're wrong, at least you learn from your own experience.

• 1:30:10Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Question number three, uh, what's something you think the majority of people value, but you don't value?

• 1:30:17Tony Robbins?

  Fame, but you know, it's easy when you have something, then it's like easy to go, well, everybody wants it, you know, but it's like when you experience it.

• 1:30:22Jay Shetty?

  When did that happen? Was there ever a time you valued fame or was it the experience of it that made you devalue it a little?

• 1:30:28Tony Robbins?

  I wouldn't say a devalue. I still appreciate it. It's a privilege. Like I got, you know, I can walk in the room and have people that I have a connection with, you know? But it's been more based on my contribution to them than just being famous per se.

• 1:30:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, okay, got it.

• 1:30:41Tony Robbins?

  And I mean, that's the difference. You're like, a lot of my friends in the movie business, like somebody comes up and they get upset because they go, they don't even know who I am. They just want something from me. And mine is it's a privilege. If somebody can be lit up by your presence, to me, it's a privilege. So, but I think, I think I never, I was never pursuing fame.

• 1:30:57Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:30:58Tony Robbins?

  Um, I, you know, I certainly wanted financial freedom because I grew up without it from my family, but I never, uh, I was never looking to be wealthy. Um, but I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage. So, but I know that there are people that have got billions of dollars. I've worked with them and they're miserable. I've got people that have billion dollars and they take their own life.

• 1:31:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:17Tony Robbins?

  You know, what matters is where's your emotional home? Now, where do you live emotionally? If you're worth a billion dollars and every day you're pissed off and frustrated, your life is pissed off and frustrated. If you've got three beautiful children or a beautiful husband or wife and all this love in your life, but you're worried all the time, you don't feel the love, you're worried. So my, my thing is valuing the emotional home and making it the richest place possible inside.

• 1:31:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:39Tony Robbins?

  Cause that's the only thing you can control.

• 1:31:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you reminded me, I was, I was with one of my clients who gets recognized a hundred times for every one time I would get recognized.

• 1:31:47Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:47Jay Shetty?

  And he'd get stopped every two seconds and someone would take a picture. Maybe someone would come shake my hand and talk to me. And we spent a whole day together and this would happen multiple times a day for him and a few times for me. And he said something really beautiful with me that, that mirrors what you've just said now. He said to me, he said, Jay, the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped is they stopped me for who I play in the movies because they stopped you for who you are.

• 1:32:08Tony Robbins?

  That's right.

• 1:32:08Jay Shetty?

  And, and that's what I feel with you. It's like what you were saying there. It's like, that is a privilege and an honor.

• 1:32:13Tony Robbins?

  Total privilege.

• 1:32:14Jay Shetty?

  And humbles me because it's the idea of, yeah, like that person, he's like, they don't even know who I am. They don't know what I stand for. They don't know what I care about. So.

• 1:32:20Tony Robbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:20Jay Shetty?

  That was, yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

• 1:32:22Tony Robbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:32:23Jay Shetty?

  All right. Question number four is if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:32:29Tony Robbins?

  Love.

• 1:32:31Tony Robbins?

  I mean, I mean, as corny as it is, love is the answer, right? It really is. I think fear is what, you know, if there's a disease of humanity, the disease that messes us up, I think really is selfishness.

• 1:32:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:44Tony Robbins?

  And I think if there's a cure, it's love.

• 1:32:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Tony Robbins?

  And I think you can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life.

• 1:32:52Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Absolutely. And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to me that I must read, and you said you wanted to talk about in the podcast too. So fifth and final question, I thought maybe I'd let you share on that point.

• 1:33:03Tony Robbins?

  Yes.

• 1:33:03Jay Shetty?

  If you wanted to talk about cycles.

• 1:33:05Tony Robbins?

  There was a book I read, I think it came out in the early nineties. It's called The Fourth Turning. And it's, it has a, the conceit of the book is that there are seasons in history. And as I mentioned to you earlier, if you think about like, what gives somebody power in any context, it's three things. It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses, as I am today, I'm pretty good at it. It's like, I, I recognize there's only so many patterns. I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can grow it. If you're great in, uh, let's say the stock market, you know, recognize patterns. If you're great with music, you recognize patterns. If you're great spiritually, you recognize patterns. But the second skill is you don't just recognize them, you can use them.

• 1:33:46Tony Robbins?

  And then third skill is when you recognize and use enough patterns, you start to create them. And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So in this book, you really start to see that humanity changed when we recognize the pattern of the seasons. Soon as we understood seasons, we didn't have to be wandering through the desert anymore, searching for things. We could stay, we could grow crops. Cause we found out if you plant in the winter, it doesn't matter how hard you work, nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant, when you don't do the right thing at the right time, then all of a sudden humanity blew into communities and cities and states and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life. So, you know, in, in, you know, some of the traditional, let's say, Indian philosophies,

• 1:34:28Tony Robbins?

  I'm sure you know, we can look at these four stages, but we can look at it and say, look, first 20 years of your life, roughly, you're primarily learning and taking things in. Some of us had to work at five years old and so forth, but overall, that's how it is. From 20 to 40, that, you know, that's springtime. Summer, you're figuring out who you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, and only test it. Do I really believe that? Does it really work? I now have real relationships. I think I'm invincible. Maybe I'm not. I've discovered. 20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life. And if you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time, right? It's like the fall and the autumn, and things come together and things go great. And then from 60 to 80, and maybe 80 on, if you have an extended winter, that's the wintertime where now you get to be kind of an elder.

• 1:35:13Tony Robbins?

  So everyone is going to hit winter if they live long enough. Meaning, some people experience winter in that zero to 20 stage. Some people 20 to 40. When you experience it, shapes your life a lot. So in America, the generation we call the greatest generation is the generation of World War II. And they were not respected as young people. I bring this up because millennials, you know, older people very often look at millennials and go, oh, they're snowflakes. They can't handle anything. And some are. In every generation, there are people like that. But the generation was born, let's say, in 1910. That generation, if you think about it, they came of age going to that 20-year-old range. What happened in those 20 years? Well, World War I ended, and America was one of the winners.

• 1:35:56Tony Robbins?

  And then there was the roaring twenties and new technology and cars and parties and all this abundance. It was everywhere. So they grew up thinking that's what their life was going to be like. And at 19 years old, or the morning 1910, it was 1929. And the whole world, around the world, people jumping out of buildings, the Dust Bowl in the middle of the place, jobs lost. I mean, it was intense. And they were called flappers. They were not respected. They were just partiers. They didn't give a damn about anything. They had no responsibility. And suddenly, life hit them, and they grew. They had to. And they went through 10 years of that depression, only to make it to 29 years old, when it's now 1939. And World War Two breaks out and you and I weren't alive then, but anybody alive then will tell you Hitler was winning.

• 1:36:39Tony Robbins?

  Countries were dropping in your country and London was being bombed. I mean, it did not look like we were gonna win. It was dark, right? And they made it through that, went over, fought the war and won. So they have this stage of their life from twenty to forty, which was a horrendous experience. But it made them so strong and they came back heroes. And they started the next springtime, because that was winter, right? So next springtime was the late forties after World War Two through the nineteen fifties, early sixties until Kennedy was shot. That kind of eighteen, twenty year period was a period of great prosperity and growth and everything's easy. And then you have a summer, which is always internal conflict. And you can see this in a thousand years of Roman history. Every eighteen hundred years, you've seen the same patterns.

• 1:37:23Tony Robbins?

  And then after that, you have another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything blows again. This happens over and over and over again through history. So when you see it, it gives you perspective. And so we're in winter right now. We've been in winter since about two thousand eight and we're not done. We probably got another six, if history shows, you know, if it's repetitive, it's not exact.

• 1:37:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Tony Robbins?

  There's probably another seven or eight years of this. And what happens in winter is the external world gets, the last winter was World War Two. And the external world is reformed. Different countries relate in a different way. You know, a new reserve currency happened. The United States became the dominant force. Now you're dealing with China, we're seeing the challenges happening in Russia and the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over the world. People are looking at life differently. People are worried about whether the planet's gonna survive or not, global warming. And so there's gonna be a lot more turmoil. There's internal turmoil within most countries, including the United States. But what I try to tell people and hopefully helps them is winter does not last forever. No pandemic has lasted forever, no war has lasted forever. And what's next is springtime.

• 1:38:30Tony Robbins?

  If you or God, when you work it out that way, after the vicious night, this beautiful day, after the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal right now is to get strong in winter, not to fold. To, if you can be strong in this season, in Your business in your life, then when springtime comes, it's a piece of cake. And if you do well in business during this time, if you look at the Fortune one thousand, sixty five percent of them were born in a winter, in a depression or a recession. Whether it's Exxon or it's Disney and depressions, or whether it's Pizza Hut or Federal Express that was then in recession, or Apple or Microsoft in recession. So if you do well then, you tend to do well through time. And so this is a time, you know, not to say, oh, it's winter, I'm going to freeze to death.

• 1:39:13Tony Robbins?

  It's like, no, it's a time to learn, grow, expand, spend time with your family, snowboard, you know, take advantage of the season and don't think the season is forever.

• 1:39:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:22Tony Robbins?

  And if you, if you read a book like this, it's a book that like some of the greatest leaders I know have all read this book. I got, they also wrote a book called Generations. It's about five hundred and fifty pages of Anglo American history. And it shows how each generation affects it. So what you start seeing is there's patterns here. There's patterns in history. This isn't forever. How do I use what's in front of me instead of freaking out and saying, oh, my God, the whole world's coming to an end because it looks like that when the dark night of the winter happens or the dark night of the soul.

• 1:39:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Tony, thank you so much.

• 1:39:52Tony Robbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:39:53Jay Shetty?

  Everyone, Tony Robbins, Life Force, the book's available right now. We're going to put the link in the captions, the comments everywhere. Highly recommend that you go and grab this book. It will not disappoint. And as you heard today, we've just skimmed the surface on the level of insight and wisdom that exists within this book. Please, please, please go and grab a copy. Tony, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this incredible honor.

• 1:40:16Tony Robbins?

  Thanks for coming all the way.

• 1:40:18Jay Shetty?

  Have you, have me in your home and this is the first to many, many meetings. But thank you so much. I'm so grateful.

• 1:40:24Tony Robbins?

  Blessings to you, brother.

• 1:40:25Jay Shetty?

  Thank you so much.

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