Audi Nuvolari; Teaching Kids to Judge Tires (for charity!)

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman discuss Audi's new supercar, the Nuvolari; get confused by Mustang history; Matt tells us about his role as a judge for an inaugural car charity event; and Patreon questions include: Is the Gumball 3000 the pinnacle of "rally"? How to spot undercover police cars Does altitude effect our car reviews? The hardest car part we've had to find Do we enjoy driving slow cars slowly? Will smooth '90s styling come back? $50k for a "plan Z" car with my friends How fast do you go in the canyons? Which cars do better on BaT vs Cars and Bids? Underrated food cities And more! Recorded June 9, 2026 Show Notes Vinbidders Smoking Tire fans get $100 off the listing price with promo code TIRE and by visiting https://vinbidders.com/tire Go from submitting your car to a confirmed sale in under 1 week with VinBidders. And you only pay $149 if the car sells. TrueWerk Get 15% off your first order at https://TRUEWERK.com with code tire. TRUEWERK, built like it matters, because it does. Mac tools Go to https://mactools.org/tire to learn more and see if there’s an open route near you Hims For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/tire Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here, and you guys do too. You send me emails, DMs on Instagram, you comment all the time that Off the Record has saved your backside. They get those points off your record. It could save you insurance money. It could keep your job safe. All kinds of reasons to not plead guilty to a moving violation, but instead to get off the record. And when you use offtherecord.com/tst, you get 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record.

• 0:36Matt Farah?

  Again, that's offtherecord.com/tst. Offtherecord.com/tst. Don't plead guilty, get off the record.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Okay, everyone, on today's episode, Matt and I discuss Audi's new supercar. We get confused by a six-wheeled Mustang, and he talks about his weekend judging cars for a charity event where he taught children how to shame people. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 1:03Matt Farah?

  Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity, and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  Tell them you'd love to go to Argentina.

• 1:32Matt Farah?

  They also, no, they want to do it here. The car's staying here. But I would go to Argentina, drive Route 40. That would be a fucking sick road trip.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Is that the one that goes across the country?

• 1:43Matt Farah?

  The whole country.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be rad.

• 1:44Matt Farah?

  But you'd want to do that in an old car. With a support vehicle.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50Matt Farah?

  You want to do it in an old car.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  You know, the Safari Mustang, the old Mustang.

• 1:52Matt Farah?

  Right. Like the, like the Thomas Crown Affair Safari Mustang, the six-bike?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's not a real six-bike, I don't think.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  No, not the six by like.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  Didn't, wasn't one of them a six by six?

• 2:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:05Matt Farah?

  I think I'm conflating two vehicles. And the Thomas Crown Affair.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  It's a lifted GT 500KR type thing.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  But in, but it was, you know why I'm conflating two cars? Their luggage truck that picks them up at the jet and follows the Mustang is a Jeep Wrangler six by six.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it's this thing, see?

• 2:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no, but I, I'm conflating other vehicle. Look at Thomas Crown Affair Jeep Wrangler.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be, yeah, see, it's the six by six with the trailer.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so that, that was it, yeah. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the motherfucking program. Uh, nice to see you on this Monday. Uh, I've been home in LA for 10 days, which means I can't wait to get out of here.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? You get like, when you, when you've been gone for a while, for three or four days, you're like, ah, home. And then you've been here for like 10, you're like, where am I going?

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Concrete in traffic.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  Where am I going? It's, it's, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's not just, it's not that it's LA. It's just that it's like, you know, this kind of lifestyle. Like, you wanna get home and then you wanna get up back on the road. Like, you're the same thing from touring musicians and comedians and stuff like that, you know?

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Miss the juice.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  Miss the juice, so. Leaving tomorrow, gonna go to the Pacific Northwest, drive around with Road and Track, uh, in an M5 Touring. They've sent me a photo of it, I think it's orange.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  Fairly aggressive.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Thumbnail orange, it's a thing.

• 3:32Matt Farah?

  Thumbnail orange.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Thumbnail orange.

• 3:35Matt Farah?

  Thumbnail orange, but, um, man, it's been a busy, uh, busy weekend, this past weekend. We, uh, we launched, tickets are available for our Detroit live show with Christian James Hand, August 13th. Someone accused, someone accused our poster of being AI slop. It is not, it was made by a person. Uh, it actually was made by a person. It was made by the wife of the owner of 248 Garage, where our, our venue in Royal Oak. And she is a graphic designer and made it. It's not AI slop. We like to have humans make things where possible, and she didn't charge us anything. Which I guess makes it cheaper than even if we had done it in AI.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Use, she drank a glass of water.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, yeah, instead of a swimming pool.

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  Three gallons it would have taken.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Using the token.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  But, uh, yes, and actually, in the first 24 hours, the show is two-thirds sold out, actually. So, if you're in Detroit, uh, in August for the Woodward Dream Cruise, or you wanna come to the Woodward Dream Cruise, um, by all means, make a, uh, make a point of coming to see us on Thursday, August 13th with Christian James Hand. It's going to be a fucking good time.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  It'll be so fun.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  But, um, don't wait around for tickets, uh, cuz, uh, they're, you know, they're going. And, uh, thank you to the, to all of those patrons who bought tickets in the first, like, hour.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Anyone who's in Detroit jumped on it.

• 5:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but the patrons showed up hard, cuz I posted on the Patreon first, and the patrons fucking, they showed up real quick. So, nice to, uh, to be nice, to be, to be welcomed to be your, in your city, and, uh, I can't wait to do that gig. That's gonna be a good fucking time. Um, and, uh, let's see, oh, this past Sunday, there was the, was Sergio's, uh, Riff Raff Car Show. Um, actually, Johnny has, has more photos. I took no photos cuz I was busy judging. I was being very judgy.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  He's judgy too, Johnny and me.

• 5:37Matt Farah?

  He's judgy, but I was being very judgy, um, even by his standards, cuz I was judging the exotics, uh, category. He was driving, judging the daily driver category.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  And, uh, there was also a Radwood category that was being judged by TK, Tommy Kendall. But I had about 25 to 30 cars in the exotics category. And the trophies Sergio had made were like this big. It was so ridiculous. And, uh, trying to take it very seriously. And because this was a show, um, to generate some funds for, uh, a local, um, autism, uh, organization, we had, you know, helpers, young helpers. And, you know, I'm trying to be pretty even-handed with my judging, and pretty fairly kind. You know, I, I didn't really wanna give anything less than like a seven. It's like a charity show.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:33Matt Farah?

  But, but then there's a section on the Sheets, you know, there's a, don't get me wrong, there's a pretty big spread of quality if I give you a seven versus a 10. You know what I mean? A seven is a two from me when we're judging a charity car show. But like, there's also on the sheet, the kids, you know, got to judge. And the fu- the kids would be like, 10 or 2.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but yeah, very binary.

• 6:56Matt Farah?

  They were so a bunch of, you know, the spread from first to eighth place was only like, eight points and the, that was basically like the spread of what the kids were, were doing. So, and also, my only bit of, when I was being real judgy though, I DQ'd, I insta DQ'd seven cars for having tires that were older than seven years. You gotta get to, you gotta get to a winner somehow.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Right, so you immediately whittled out.

• 7:27Matt Farah?

  You got a whole bunch of modernish, you know, exotic cars. There's a bunch of repeats, there's a bunch of, you know.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Was there anything you threw out in that batch that you really liked?

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  Yes, yes, there was a manual transmission LP640, but, but, yeah.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Right, on OG tires?

• 7:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there was, yes, there was a 20, uh, I don't know the year, but it was a 997 GT3 RS with a full cage and a removable steering wheel, pumpkin orange, on slicks that were date coded 2015.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, like, good luck getting home alive.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  No kidding, talk about, I mean, they, they haven't taken it to the track in a long time.

• 8:11Matt Farah?

  Eh, I would hope so.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  I mean, certainly I would hope so, but there's a lot of ways to die in a car like that, you know?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  That's the, I was gonna, I was gonna be mean, but it seems like it's probably a car they shelved nine years ago after tracking it for a year and then they went, oh, you know what I should bring out?

• 8:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't discuss with the owner why that, but I also, there was a Mercedes, there was a Mercedes SLS AMG, which is a car that's now 14 years old, that I am 99% sure still had the tires on it that it was delivered with.

• 8:43Matt Farah?

  And, and it, and, and, and if this car was like a, you know, museum queen and had like 200 miles on it and just got trailered around to shows, that would be one thing. But to look at the rest of this car, the rest of this car had a suite of modifications that can only be described as third owner.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  And uh, yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  That's a game of hot potato that you don't want to play. There's like, here, you drive on the original tires.

• 9:10Matt Farah?

  It was no good. And I don't want to, you know, I hate, I don't want to crap too much on, because this was a good car show. Like, the cars that showed up, like, were cool. Like, they were cool. They were all cool. Every category was really cool, in terms of the cars. And it was a fun time.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  How many cars showed up?

• 9:29Matt Farah?

  Eighty cars entered, and there's probably three or 400 people. It was the first time, first time we did it, you know, but Sergio and Kevin Barrett, um, put on a, they put on a great show. You know, food and food and bev was great, and it was a lovely time. Everyone had a good time. Kids had a great time. Um, but I had to lecture a bunch of people about that they were fucking DQ'd because their tires. I was like, if anyone needs me to tell you how to tell the age of your tires, you know, come see me. But like.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  So, did you walk up to them, like, your car's disqualified? Or was this later than the announcement?

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  Most of the owners were not standing next to the cars while I was judging. Some were, I did not, I did not have to tell anybody to their face, your car is disqualified for this.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  They just know they didn't win. Okay.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  They just know they didn't win. I also, so that was the hard, but that's the hard DQ. That was the insta-DQ. There was also a soft DQ, which is where you weren't actually disqualified, I just gave you a zero in one of the categories, if your car had an Instagram handle on it.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 10:32Matt Farah?

  That was the soft, that's the soft zero.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  It just fucks the average up, yeah.

• 10:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Just, I'm not DQing you, but you will not be placing here. Yeah. So, and, and because I had my three, uh, helpers trailing me around, I was giving lessons on what is cool and not cool in the world of cars. And believe you me, these kids can read date codes, and they will laugh in your face if you put your Instagram handle on your car.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Oh my god. You have, you are a teacher indeed. I look forward to your college course.

• 11:03Matt Farah?

  That was great. How did not.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Here's how cars should look and not look.

• 11:07Matt Farah?

  Don't put your Instagram on your car. That's really bad. Don't do that. Like.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  I think that was when I did, uh... Scott, me and Zach Mertens did the worst mods of the decade. I think Instagram handle was like his sixth.

• 11:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  It was Brian's sixth.

• 11:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  You share this opinion with many wise people.

• 11:26Matt Farah?

  I'm doing that podcast, whatever. I don't know which show it is.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  It's an, he has a network and like of his own.

• 11:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  It's like, it's him making four different shows.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  And they're all, they are all pretty distinctly different.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  I don't know which show I'm on, but it's me and Vin Anatra. Saturday Hannah and I got last minute free tickets to Snoop Dogg in Long Beach. Guys, support is coming in today from Vin Bidders. And listen, guys, I know this and you know it. Buying cars equals fun. Selling cars equals sucks. That's just how things work. It's whether it's Facebook Marketplace, BAT, forums, Craigslist, however you're rolling, you're giving up a combination of money, time, and privacy, right? Selling to a dealer is by far the easiest option. It's immediate, clean, straightforward. They handle the paperwork and logistics and they cut you a check.

• 12:22Matt Farah?

  But the real challenge is finding a dealer that offers that kind of convenience, but also the price, right? Because that's why you're selling. Vin Bidders is here to help you find that one dealer who really wants your car and is willing to pay for it. That enthusiast dealer, right? For your enthusiast car. They've curated a network of high-end, independent, and franchise dealers around the country who regularly buy enthusiast cars remotely. And Vin Bidders offers stronger results than other channels, but with a fraction of the effort. Their dealer network buys everything from Shelby's to Carrera GTs. And here's how they do it. You can submit your car in just five minutes. All they need is the VIN, miles, the condition, eight recent photos, and your desired reserve price.

• 13:06Matt Farah?

  Once the listing is approved, they send a service to your home, or to your office, or to wherever, to photograph the car and prepare a condition report. You don't drive it anywhere. You don't have to answer any unnecessary questions. Nobody's stopping by. Your auction goes live for 24 hours because that's all a dealer needs to make a strong buy. binding offer. There's no publicly listed VIN, no comments and no drama. Your info is only shared with the winning dealer. It is that easy and that straightforward. So you can go from submitting your car to a confirmed sale in under one week with VIN bidders and you only pay $149 if the car sells. So, uh, smoking tire fans, we're getting a hundred dollars off the listing price with promo code

• 13:51Matt Farah?

  tire and by visiting VINbidders.com/tire. Again, VINbidders.com/tire code tire to get a hundred dollars off the listing price. Thank you to VIN bidders for sponsoring today's show.

• 14:08Matt Farah?

  And support is coming in today from True Work. It's springtime and working outside in the springtime means you're dealing with a chilly morning, a hot afternoon, and everything in between. Not to mention the mud, the rain, and whatever else the weather decides to throw at you. You need workwear that can keep up with the changing conditions and True Work has you covered. Most workwear is made from cotton blends which can restrict your movement and get soaked after just a few raindrops. True Work uses advanced performance fabrics to build products specifically designed for work on the job site. Springtime is the perfect season for the T2 work pant, which keeps you comfortable over a wide range of conditions.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  These pants have a four-way stretch for bending, kneeling, and climbing, a water-resistant finish to shed rain, and nine intelligent pockets to keep tools just where you need them. They've been tested and validated for over 10 years by real trade pros working in real job site conditions and they've got over 15,000 five-star reviews. So it's worth experiencing the difference for yourself. I mean, I've worn these for hiking. They sent me a pair and they are so comfortable. You guys know me, I'm not a tradesperson. I'm not going to pretend to be a tradesperson. But when I am hiking, particularly in cooler weather that gets hot into the day, these move, uh, beautifully, uh, with my legs. You can see me, uh, wearing them in a recent

• 15:35Matt Farah?

  video. And it's much better than like jeans if you've got to be bending and kneeling and stuff all day. Trust me on that one. I can tell. Uh, the work doesn't stop just because the weather is changing. So upgrade yourself to that T2 work pant and stay comfortable no matter what the day brings. Get 15% off your first order at truewerk.com with code tire. That's T R U E W E R K dot com. Code tire. True work. Built like it matters because it does.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 16:09Matt Farah?

  They built a temporary amphitheater in Long Beach. It's pretty big. It's 11,000 people.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Called the Dog House.

• 16:17Matt Farah?

  It's not, not for this. No, no. Called something stupid.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Doggy daycare.

• 16:21Matt Farah?

  No, like the FBZ banking memorial amphitheater. But like he, uh, he was the first thing. And they're trying to see if, if it goes well, they might build a permanent amphitheater there. Hannah, I think astutely pointed out that it seems like they just needed somewhere to store the bleachers from the Long Beach Grand Prix.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Oh. That's pretty smart. They're all, they're down there already.

• 16:45Matt Farah?

  Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but fucking nightmare to get it. It's, they built it. It's in front of the Queen Mary. A little inside baseball, but it's in front of the Queen Mary.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 16:56Matt Farah?

  By the ocean and it's like where the parking would be for the Queen Mary. So they've, you, you can't drive there effectively. You could take an Uber there or a ride share, but everyone who drove their own cars there had to park in downtown Long Beach. Just, uh, just pull up a map of Long Beach because this is a little inside baseball. Um, Long Beach, for those who don't know, is where Snoop Dogg is from and where the Long Beach Grand Prix is. And it's not Los Angeles. It's near Los Angeles, but it's not. So Long Beach is, is facing south and there's the ocean. And if you punch in on where the Grand Prix is a little bit.

• 17:38Matt Farah?

  So Shoreline Aquatic Park is on the north side of our, of the water there and Shoreline Village is right down there on the water and the Grand Prix Circuit effectively runs around Shoreline Drive.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Does this little roundabouty thing, comes down here and then over that way.

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  So down on the water there, there's like a marina and there's a few hotels and there's a bunch of like, you know, ocean themed restaurants and it's like pseudo touristy and kinda nice, right? The Queen Mary is across the water, so it's only like a couple hundred yards by water, but there, but to actually get there by car, you have to drive across around that, that bridge, right? The Queens Highway Bridge. And so there is no parking at the Queen Mary at all for this 11,000 person concert. There are a bunch of public lots pre-reserved in downtown Long Beach

• 18:39Matt Farah?

  and then a central shuttle stop with fucking two dozen big ass coaches that are shuttling people to this fucking thing. Hannah and I are like, "Oh hell no." So we just take an Uber there and pre-reserve an Uber for about two thirds of the way through the show to pick us up and come home. Turns out it was the right decision because I, we read on the internet that it took like two to three hours to get out of this.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a 37 minute walk. It's almost two miles is where you're parking to your destination.

• 19:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so either you walk two miles or you wait, deal with these bustles, but, but there was only one way in and out of the amphitheater. So 11, imagine 11,000 people going through a 15 foot wide tunnel and that's it. Yeah, great. So, so we got in and got out, but a Snoop Dogg show is really things, especially an outdoor Snoop Dogg show because not only is weed legal, it's like weed was the most legal I've ever seen.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a column, the volcano.

• 19:42Matt Farah?

  There were, we had like pretty decent seats. They were given to Hannah by like a corporate client that she was working for. It was so clearly the corporate area of the Snoop Dogg show.

• 19:54Matt Farah?

  There was, there's a lot of people there and you'd walk around and you'd go, "Those folks are definitely like childhood friends with Snoop Dogg." Like, you'd see, you'd see like all these kinda like old school like gangster guys, or guys who were clearly rolling six fours in the nineties and like, you know, shooting at people and stuff and now they're like the old heads that everyone else is like kinda looking up to. Those folks around, the sublime types, you know what I mean? Your, your, uh, your white sort of long beached skater surfer sublime type of style, right? Uh, you had, you know, all the mixtures of flavors at this show.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  Was, was pretty fun to see. And then like, also the whitest people you've ever seen too. And like.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're, you're in the corporate box.

• 20:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  And you're not even the white, but you're like, "Look at all these lovely cultures we get to look at."

• 20:46Matt Farah?

  We were not the whitest people. No, it wasn't, it was the box box, it wasn't like a sky box. It wasn't like that. It was like, like.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  The taped off area.

• 20:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, yeah, like a railing that just surrounded the same exact seats everybody else, whatever. But, um, Snoop Dogg on one hand is, is fucking so entertaining and talented. On the other hand, he's kind of a fucking idiot despite himself. You know what I mean? Like, he still has all this shit, these little brands and like side projects he's doing that were all around the area, like an ice cream brand and whatever that branded, uh, Dr. Bombay, which was his, and that was his, uh, bored ape NFT was called Dr. Bombay.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  I don't remember that.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and he tried to make, but NFTs were hot. He tried to make Dr. Bombay everything, but then NFTs totally crashed, but he's like, still trying to do it.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Wow, Dr. Bombay Foods, holy moly.

• 21:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, still trying to do it with the Dr. Bombay. And then he said that he, and then he had. Remember when I went to Coachella and saw Dre and Snoop and there was the Tupac hologram that year, 2013? So he did the same three songs at this show in the same order that he did with the Tupac hologram 13 years ago? Except, he doesn't have the hologram machine. Instead, he has like AI slop Tupac on a big screen behind him that he has a full-on conversation with. AI Tupac is like, "I'm proud of you, dog." Like, and they have a back-and-forth conversation for like, three minutes.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 22:29Matt Farah?

  With like, bad AI Tupac.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 22:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and then, he does the duets, the, um, you know, Hail Mary, Gangster Party, and whatever the other fucking, in that order. Uh, and Two of America's Most Wanted, those are the three duets with Tupac. And he does those in that order, same as the fucking Coachella thing, but with this, with AI Tupac. Really, really bizarre. And he, and he has this fucking conversation with Tupac where he goes, "Remember when I said, 'You ain't with the Democratic Party, you ain't with the Republican Party, you, I'm with the motherfucking Gangster Party.'" And I'm like, "You played Trump's inauguration! The fu-" Do you think we're like, the stupidest people? Like, I am willing to go see Tupac despite that.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  Or, excuse me, go see Snoop Dogg despite that. He's entertaining enough and a cultural icon enough, I'll fucking give, and I don't think he even cares about politics, I think they paid him $2 million and he went, "Yes, sir." But like, don't fucking do a whole bit about you're not with a party.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Was that just his segue into Ain't Nothing But a Gangster Party?

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  Yes, but like, fucking do better. You, you, either you're an idiot or you think we're all idiots, bro, come on.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Well, he did the, he did the inauguration, it's, what's funny is that the, the number of people backing out of the 250th concert, because now it's, things have happened and they're like, "Actually, we don't know if this, we want to line our brand with this, we're gonna, we're gonna take a step, we're gonna take a step back and look at our financials later."

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:58Matt Farah?

  But I'll tell you what, that motherfucker drops gin and juice, you see, you see, in, you know, 11,000 people completely lose their goddamn minds.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  He was like the one we saw Jay-Z, like he did the hits, I went nuts, everybody went nuts because you're like, you've listened to these songs forever.

• 24:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  It was very interesting to see Snoop Dogg in Long Beach.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Very iconic.

• 24:18Matt Farah?

  Kind of interesting.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  You know what's smart about like, I mean, he was all, rappers, a lot of them tend to not be the very animated performers, some are, but he was always like a very small steps kind of performer moving around. Smart, because you can play the long game.

• 24:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  It's like being like a golfer.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  He can still do it at 60.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  But, you know, famously like Madonna, pop stars that move and dance like to keep that, or Mick Jagger to keep the engine going at 70, 80, you know, years of age, and you gotta keep doing all the moves, you gotta be so crazy fit, much harder.

• 24:47Matt Farah?

  And, and his, his stage was made of screens, like it was just a big screen, essentially, and, and like a thing he could stand on, and then the ground, like that was it. And he was on stage alone a lot, and he, this is a big stage and he's a skinny fucking dude, you know, and he was just like, he didn't fill the stage, I think, and Hannah was like, do you think he's lonely?

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Such a Hannah question, it's great.

• 25:14Matt Farah?

  But, but he, just him like chilling out, vibing, and just kind of like doing this is, is like somehow entertaining.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  Well, because he's been doing it for 40 years.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like he's just the most effortlessly chill, cool person, that even if he says and does dumbass fucking things, you just can't help but be like, yeah, fuck yes, Snoop.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  He's the coolest.

• 25:36Matt Farah?

  You're the coolest.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  He is the coolest.

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, even if you objectively do things that I see you do that are super lame and stupid all the time.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  I mean, he's, look, he's got all these businesses, but I'm sure some are hidden.

• 25:46Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go to his weed dispensary later today.

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, there's no problem with that. Sweat, shout out to him, shout out to my, my local ganja dispensary.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  I was looking up CBD stuff for my back and I found this product and like at three stores it was $60, and at that store it's like 19, because they're probably like, no one's buying this here.

• 26:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we don't, no one.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  They're like, we're, we're selling real marijuana here, sir.

• 26:05Matt Farah?

  That was when I went in there when I first started smoking weed again, and I said, do you have some like weaker weed? They were like, what?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, why?

• 26:13Matt Farah?

  You know, and he was like, this is a Snoop Dogg store, sir, we don't have weaker weed here.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're going for 100%.

• 26:21Matt Farah?

  That's a good point.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  If we can do 150%, we will.

• 26:24Matt Farah?

  We only offer the strongest products imaginable at this fucking place.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  Dude, but they're gonna have to fucking, either they're gonna have to sort the parking situation, or the real move is if you're gonna be seeing shows down there, you cop a room at the Queen Mary.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Well, but like, I mean, but there's so much empty space here. It's obviously used for stuff.

• 26:45Matt Farah?

  It's not empty, that's full of the containers that are getting loaded on ships and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't like that. No, that's, there, there isn't, I mean, there's space there, but you, you, we don't get to use it.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 26:58Matt Farah?

  Actually, the way this, you know, because it's a temporary amphitheater, the, the, um, what would you call? The escape noise. You know, the sound was pretty good if, when you were there, like, it was, the sound was alright. It wasn't mind blowing, but it was alright. But you could be like, pretty well outside the venue and hear like, perfectly clearly. So, the real move is if you could have somebody with, if you could get a boat, and you just drop anchor, right behind the venue, you're, you're in, you're in business.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  I did hear the same thing.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  And then, you could walk up, you can walk up to essentially right side stage and be in a public park, outside the thing, and you could hear everything perfectly clearly. Wow.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Um, was it like that amphitheater, remember we saw Rise Against? It seemed very temporary, like that?

• 27:45Matt Farah?

  Like that, but with the backdrop of a very cool old ocean liner. So, it was a vibe, for sure, yeah. And actually, shout out to the TST fan who said hi to me, who was managing the, the food and bev for the whole venue. The dude was cool as a cucumber, but he was like, "Man, we got like our food service permit like today." Like, he's like, he's like, "They were putting bolts in this motherfucker like six hours ago, dude." I was like, alright, shout out to him.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  I don't want that kind of stress, like.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  This is the first show at this new venue. Nobody fucking knew anything. Cars. Sorry, that, we did, that's a whole weekend of not much, not much about cars, other than that you should, uh, probably have, uh, reasonably new tires on your sports and.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  My quick car thing, I went to Florida for family stuff, but, um, the guy that owns the chump car I'm gonna race, that I race Lemons with, him and my... Stepfather-in-law, whatever, is there a stepdad?

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  Stepfather-in-law, okay, yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Right, so like, they built this car together and they invited me to race with them at Lemons and, you know, people have heard that story, the engine blew up on lap one. But I'm sitting at dinner with Brett, the guy that owns it, and he's been wrenching a lot. And he's like, and this is exactly how he tells it, his eyes are getting big, he's like, "I'm really looking forward to this." I go, "Yeah, man, me too." And he goes, I don't know if he, he just needs it, or whatever, he goes, and he goes, "I think," and he's nodding his head, he's like, "This time, we've got a chance at finishing the race." It was so drawn out that my brain, like, my brain always fills in people's sentences as they go along, but I had a lot of time for that on this one.

• 29:20Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  And I'm like, "Oh, coming at WRL, we're all like, we think we might be able to podium, we think we might get second or third." Like, that's what we were going for.

• 29:28Matt Farah?

  Your standards are, "We think we can finish now."

• 29:31Speaker 01

  And so now I'm like, "Oh, right," because the car keeps blowing up, so I gotta take my expectations back a bit. And we're just gonna run 80% effort and try to do it.

• 29:38Matt Farah?

  Remind me what the car is?

• 29:40Speaker 01

  E30.

• 29:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's just an E30. Why does it keep blowing up? Other E30s don't blow up.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  That's not true. JF's cheater car with his well-financed friend, we'll say, who flew a plane with Alex Roy once, his E30 kept blowing up because their engine was...

• 29:56Matt Farah?

  Too much for its own good.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. This, this, this engine was too little for its own good. But the current engine works, so.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, hopefully, I mean, you know, short shift. What, what track is the race at?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Sebring.

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, well.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Your favorite.

• 30:13Matt Farah?

  I'm, well, listen, you have fun. With your back? Enjoy, enjoy Sebring.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Soft suspension, yeah.

• 30:18Matt Farah?

  Enjoy the bumpiest racetrack in the entire country with your fucked up spine.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Well, last time, it had the suspension of like a Hilux that's fighting in the Middle East, so it actually absorbed everything.

• 30:28Matt Farah?

  Nice. Nice. Car may have a next life after all.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  It might.

• 30:34Matt Farah?

  Should we talk about this Audi new Velari thing? Guys, support is coming in today from Mac Tools. You've seen that Mac Tools truck at shops before or rolling around your town, but have you ever thought about being the one that actually owns that route? For someone already into cars, whether you're working on them in or around shops, maybe you're already in the industry or at least spending your weekends wrenching on something or maybe racing, a Mac Tools franchisee runs their own mobile tool business, selling directly to shops and technicians and potentially also very much benefiting your hobby. It's a relationship business and repeat customers that you service every week. You build those relationships

• 31:18Matt Farah?

  and they last for life. You're not left to figure it out on your own. They've got an extensive training program and they've got support to build your route the right way. And as a small business owner, it all does seem very daunting. Most people that are already in your industry are not going to want to like teach you how to do it. And I had to figure out a lot of things on my own. In this business, they're going to train you to be your own small business owner, which is extremely cool. Mac has been doing this for over a century and there's a reason it still works. So if you've ever thought about doing your own thing in the automotive world, it is worth checking out. Go to mactools.org/tire to learn more

• 31:59Matt Farah?

  and see if there's an open route near you. That's M A C T O O L S dot org slash tire to learn more. And guys, support is coming in today from Hims. When your hair starts thinning, it's not just your hair that takes a hit. Trust me, it can change how you feel day in and day out. And Hims makes it simple to take control of hair regrowth with personalized care that fits your life. Look, I committed the other way. My hair started thinning and I went, you know what? Full aerodynamics. But admittedly, that's pretty much a lifetime choice. There's really no going back from it and that's not for everybody. For everybody else, there is Hims.

• 32:44Matt Farah?

  Hims offers a convenient access to a range of prescription hair loss treatments with ingredients that work, including chews, oral medication, serums, and sprays. There's doctor trusted ingredients like finasteride and minoxidil to stop further hair loss and regrow hair in as little as three to six months. You shouldn't have to go out of your way to feel like yourself and Hims brings expert care straight to you with 100% online access to personalized treatment plans that put your goals first. So you can find the right hair regrowth treatment for you with flexible subscription options, access to 24/7 provider support, and a once a day treatment option that fits your daily routine. Think of Hims as your digital treatment's front door that gets you back to your old self

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  with simple 100% online access to trusted treatments all in one place. For simple online access to personalized and affordable care for hair loss, ED, weight loss, and more, visit hims.com/tire. That's hims.com/tire for your free online visit. hims.com/tire. Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness, or quality. Prescription required. See website for full details, restrictions, and important safety information. Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride.

• 34:10Matt Farah?

  Uh, there's a photo of it right, right there handy on

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's talk about it.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  Johnny's Instagram. He's coming in on Monday, by the way, Monday, the 15th. Uh, over the weekend, Audi dropped this Nuvalari. Uh, it looks like a concept.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  It does.

• 34:26Matt Farah?

  Someone says that this is the production thing, but I don't, I don't think that can be right.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  I mean, Brian Scott, I have my favorite joke. He said, did they forget to, uh, to finish rendering?

• 34:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  He's like, is it still, he said, is it still rendering?

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Which is just really, really good.

• 34:41Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, it's 8-bit for sure. It's definitely NES era supercars. But it's, it's, uh, it's, it shares the rough powertrain architecture with, uh, Temerario. What's really strange about this is, to me, is that Audi have just decided that they're going to position their car above the Lamborghini rather than below it.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:08Matt Farah?

  Which is a choice.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  That's a bold move.

• 35:12Matt Farah?

  It's a choice without precedent.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:15Matt Farah?

  Um, I, I don't really understand why they think they're gonna get away with that. Why do you think they're, think they're gonna get away with that?

• 35:27Speaker 01

  I, if I was taking a stab, my guess would be that they've had, they're, they're, they're looking back at the last 20 years and beyond. And they go, well, our, the R8s had such great reviews. They were basically the same as the Lamborghini, but you know, roomier, more comfortable. Like, they did the same job and better in most regards. But they also have the racing pedigree which Lamborghini doesn't have. But I still think it's a huge gamble to try to, you know, do the Joe Pesci and take one over on Robert De Niro and be like, I'm in charge now.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Because even with their racing pedigree, nobody sees an Audi and a Lamborghini next to each other and thinks the Lamborghini's the cheaper car or has less presence or, you know, less brand cash.

• 36:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  So, I don't know why they're doing it.

• 36:13Matt Farah?

  I think, I think they're trying to do a couple of things. One, now that Audi's in Formula One, they need to make a tighter connection. You know, they need some kind of, of, of car that everybody doesn't immediately think is just a cheaper version of a Lamborghini.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:39Matt Farah?

  I also think they're intentionally making it look like a Bugatti. I think they're trying to position this car as mini Bugatti rather than mini Lamborghini. Which is a move.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  That's a move.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  But that front grille, that, this whole front end to me is if you squared off the roundish, the round bits of a Chiron and made them into squares.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  You end up with this.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  I think that's true. But I think it's far less interesting to look at.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  I don't think it's good. I just think it's what they're, what they're kinda going for.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like tiny, tiny rectangle mouth. Same as like, you know, the, the horseshoe kinda thing you have in the Bugatti. That's a good theory. Except for the powertrain problem, right?

• 37:24Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  If it's sharing a powertrain with a Temerario, then you can't go, "But it's like a Bugatti." No, no, no. Only a Bugatti is like a Bugatti.

• 37:31Matt Farah?

  Right. But because it's more limited production than Temerario, and because it makes some marginal amount more power than Temerario, and because it has the same kind of basic silhouette, at least in concept, as a Bugatti, I think they want us to make that link for them.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  I think that's a good theory. And it's, I mean, you did make that link.

• 37:57Matt Farah?

  I did.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  This, yeah, the whole back quarter here, it's kind of EB110.

• 38:02Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  You know, in its simplicity. And that's not really a compliment. Like, I feel like this is just open and empty.

• 38:10Matt Farah?

  I also need to see one in a color in order for it to be a little less Cybertruck.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's like a sand gray. And I want to see it in person because this, like, right now, this looks like, it looks like the back half of the car is 80 feet long, and the front half is not, but...

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  Like, how does the door open exactly?

• 38:29Speaker 01

  And, you know.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  But, I mean, I assume it opens conventionally because it's going to be sort of like Temerario in that regard. But, yeah.

• 38:40Matt Farah?

  Nothing about what I see here, or the fact that it has more power than the Lamborghini, to me, is more exotic.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 38:51Matt Farah?

  Nothing about it.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  It looks less expensive to design and manufacture. It's a lot less sexy-looking, I guess is the word that jumps to mind. You know, just too restrained, too plain, too plain, really.

• 39:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they didn't really, like, go for it.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It's...

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  Like it...

• 39:13Speaker 01

  It's funny that it's, now this might be announcing a change in their overall design language, maybe they're doing that, because this, a lot of the Audis now are like, pretty angular, there's a lot of stuff going on, and this is like, almost that they forgot to add half the parts.

• 39:26Matt Farah?

  No more flame surfacing.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  So maybe they're going back to, you know, TT style where it's like, it looks like almost it was carved from one piece of metal.

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Really simple.

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  I think it looks like a TT till a TT pull-up, though. I think if you put this next to a TT, those are all curves.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  They are all, but I think when I looked at that car from above, it seemed like the whole thing was molded out of one piece of metal.

• 39:48Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  And this, like, this whole roof and to the whole back looks like, I mean, other than the lines you can see, but it's just...

• 39:54Matt Farah?

  Very much play sculpture.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It doesn't, I mean, yeah, they're trying to do it, an Auto Union thing, right? Here's the, here's Tazio Nuvolari, you know, driving an Auto Union car.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Well, now the proportions, when I'm looking at this old car, do look like the new one.

• 40:14Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  This huge ass.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're, but, but, that, style, it, it needs to kind of be narrower at the top, it needs to have a sort of dorsal fin to, to work. When you squish it down from the top and it no longer has that sort of pointy roof, I think it stops, stops working so successfully.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  I agree, because I think like, the Aventador had that a bit, which I, like, the top view is not my favorite of the Aventador, because it's so wide and so flat, and this, the new, this new thing kind of reminds me of that.

• 40:50Matt Farah?

  Well, and, and Auto, both Auto Unions and Bugattis have that big bustle in, behind the driver, because they had enormous engines. Because we know this uses a Temerario powertrain, it doesn't require that big bustle, it's just an aesthetic choice, it's not a necessity to house a specialty powertrain.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, when I was a kid, I wanted to get a size 12 shoe, and my mom was like, "You, you wear an 8."

• 41:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  "Put that back." But I was like, "No, but basketball players have big shoes, I want big shoes." Yeah, I did do that.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  She should have let you try it. She should have been like, "You can have a 12 shoe, but these are the only shoes you get for six months."

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Hospital bills.

• 41:33Matt Farah?

  Call your ass out on that shit, dude.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, look, that's what I mean.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  I see, yeah.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  See the history of Clarity photo from the rear? That, that is why that looks so good. It's got this torpedo.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Which looks like the current F1 cars, absolutely.

• 41:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And they did not do that here, because also.

• 41:54Matt Farah?

  Single-seater.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Both the history of Clarity, the Formula One, the current Formula One cars are like, pretty round and there's lots of molding happening and, I mean, just look at the profile of their car, like, it's pretty flat.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, it, it, I'm not sold yet. I'd be, I would truly be more stoked if they said, "It's a new R8." You know, because the Temerario I fucking drove for P. Cody, by the way, did I say, did I already say this, that we're getting one in a couple of weeks?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  We're getting one to try. And it's probably the one Johnny was driving this past weekend, the green one, but they're fucking cool as shit to drive. I mean, I can't wait for you to try it because it's, it's a neat car to drive. I don't think they, like, look amazing, to be honest with you. I think, I think it's possible that when the more aggressive ones come down the line, that it might tickle my fancy aesthetically a little better, but I love how it drives, I love how it does, but if they, how it, how it, how it is inside to, to use. But, if they, but they're expensive. The one we'd had at P. Cody started with a five.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  A five. And like, it had a bunch of shit on it, but still, if there was an Audi, based on that architecture, that came out, that started it, even if it was 275, which would be a ton for an Audi. Wherever, whatever the top was that the last car left off, that could be the bottom, it would still be two-thirds of the price of the Lambo, now we're fucking talking. But they're going the other way.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I wonder if they couldn't make that deal like, well, either Lambo wouldn't do it with them or vice versa, or they go, we're in F1 now, we can't have the cheaper car.

• 43:32Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  I don't know. There's so many, so many things that happen in the meetings that, you know, we don't get invited to.

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Sure. This, what's really funny, this side angle, this 90 degree side profile we're looking at right now, it almost looks like if you took a Rolls Royce Spectre.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  And just moved the whole cab forward.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  It does.

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, same thoughts, same lights, and the, in the back is a little bit of that Jaguar. Actually, it's better than the Jaguar concept.

• 43:56Matt Farah?

  If you move the windshield back a, a foot in this car, you've got a Rolls Royce Spectre.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Isn't that funny?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's better here, but, I don't know, I saw, I saw the video, the one that rolled out at that unveiling, wherever it was, Monaco or something like that, and it just looks weird from the front, looks really flat, really flat faced.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All right, we'll have to see what the production version looks like, but I, I'm, I'm not sold on either how it looks or their positioning of it, uh, yet. Unless they're coming out with a fucking new TT that's gonna be a hundred grand, you know, and it'll be, have the five cylinder and just rip. You know, that would be, that would be fab. If there was a new TT RS that had the five cylinder on RS3 architecture, but it like looked great, had baseball stitching, how cool would that be?

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Took some of that design language, but into TT land?

• 44:53Matt Farah?

  Maybe, I don't know. I'm not really sure. But like Audi, it would be great if they had, the TT RS kicked ass.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  It did, it did.

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  It kicked ass. It would be a shame for them to not have an affordable sports car. Reason, I know it's still, if it was a hundred, it's still expensive, but reasonably affordable sports car, potentially attainable sports car by somebody.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I wonder, you know, cause so many of their SUVs obviously share architecture with Volkswagens and everything else, so would they need to make a new platform that's shared across? Three or four or five brands that would have that layout, you know, like a two plus two with a big engine compartment in the front for a five cylinder. Like, I wonder, like, could they build it on the RS3?

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  No, I was thinking more, yeah, it's, that's the golf architecture, like, you would do it on that. It would be, it would be hall decks, it would be RS3 underneath, you know, shortened underneath a two-seat roadster and coupe. That just like looked awesome.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Alright, I think it's a cool idea. I don't know if it's possible to like, take the sedan architecture and go.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, they did it before. That's how they did the last one.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  What, the last TT?

• 46:04Matt Farah?

  The original TT's were built, were all like that. They were all fucking golf architecture.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  It just depends on if manufacturing has changed, I don't know.

• 46:12Matt Farah?

  Or they, they could do an RS3 cab on the A3 cab, and RS3 cab would be a good time.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  What if you took the S5 and RS5, but then, so take those hard points, but make it look like a TT. Maybe that would work.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  It would be big. It would be, that's a bigger car. I think the wheelbase of a Golf and the wheelbase of a TT are pretty close. The wheelbase of an S5 would be much bigger. Cause you, you're talking about having a backseat. I don't give a fuck about a backseat.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Uh, TT wheelbase, 97 inches. That's very small.

• 46:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think it's like the wheelbase of like a three-door Golf. It might not even be a five-door Golf. Do they have different wheelbases? I don't even fucking know.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Current Golf hatchback is 103-inch wheelbase, way bigger.

• 46:58Matt Farah?

  Yes, you'd have to, you'd have to cut. See, Audi?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  So take a Miata, partnership, Miata and Mazda, sorry, Mazda and Audi together.

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  With a five-cylinder turbo.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Japan and Germany, join forces to make the ultimate five-cylinder.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  Let's call it the Audi Axis.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Audi Zero.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Mitsubishi would sue them.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  Imagine they're defending the rights to zero.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  I mean, they probably do, right?

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  They probably do. They probably do. Oh, fucking hell.

• 47:39Matt Farah?

  Have you noticed, by the way, that there are a shitload of new Electrify Americas being opened all over the city? I've really, there's a lot.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  I've not noticed.

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  I've been driving around and I'm...

• 47:50Speaker 01

  But I drive a gas car like an American.

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there was two new ones in Santa Barbara. There's a bunch of them. Fucking cool.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Oh, someone asked, have you seen the R2 configurator is up?

• 48:01Matt Farah?

  I haven't seen it, but because I'm friends with a guy named Tim Whitcomb, I know everything there is to know about the Rivian R2.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 48:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  I forgot that he was price shopping before the configurator. Now the configurator is up. That's a good point.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God. Yeah, he's in. I did see...

• 48:15Speaker 01

  I blocked it from my memory.

• 48:16Matt Farah?

  The R2 seems like a really nice car to me. I mean, my only real beef with the R1 range is that they're bigger than I need.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  And the S drives like a car with a cut wheelbase because it's a car with a fucking cut wheelbase.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Speaking of cut wheelbases, you want to shorten that golf up?

• 48:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, I could. Yeah, I'll cut a golf. That's fine.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  You're waiting for the R3, right? That's what you like.

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  That's the one that looks like a Delta Integrale. That's gonna be the shit. But I think this five-seat R2 would be good for a lot of people. I can't wait to drive it. You know, it has conventional suspension. It doesn't have that magical suspension that the R1's got. So it'll be interesting to see if they can make it, you know, ride and handle like the other one. But the price is decent, under 60K for the R2 performance. And it certainly is an attractive-looking thing. I imagine if it's built and, you know, feels like the other car, I don't think...

• 49:21Matt Farah?

  In their concepts, when they showed the static versions or whatever, the prototype, the interior was almost identical to the R1, just like a little smaller.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  But like the materials and fit and finish were the same, but I don't know if they'll be exactly the same in this one.

• 49:40Matt Farah?

  But I'm excited to drive it. It looks nice.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was looking at their sales figures to see what, but it obviously.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  Man, their sales figures must be the toilet. Nobody's buying an R1 right now. Everybody's waiting for these.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  R1S. It's about 2,000 a month in 2026.

• 49:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  They peaked in 23. They had like 3,500 a month.

• 50:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Oscillates a lot.

• 50:06Matt Farah?

  They're, they do, you know, with the incentives and the this and the fucking that. But I'm stoked for the R2. That should be cool. Should we go to the people?

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's do that.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  Let's go to the people and we will answer their questions. This show, when will this show go up, Zach?

• 50:24Matt Farah?

  This is Thursday show, right?

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  So I've got to, yeah, I'll be, where will I be on Thursday?

• 50:33Speaker 01

  PNW?

• 50:33Matt Farah?

  Thursday. No, I know, but Tuesday and Wednesday I'll be in Portland, Portland International Raceway Wednesday. Thursday is a long drive day. Thursday, we're driving from Portland to the Pacific Ocean and then to Mount Rainier. It's a, it's a big one, but it's gonna be fucking the prettiest drive ever. Prettiest drive ever. All right. The people over at Patreon, keeping the ship floating down the ocean. Many of you will be getting your pink Notice Canyons today. They were shipped last week. I got, I just got two DMs this morning that they had arrived. So if you ordered a pink Canyon, you're, you're getting it either today, tomorrow, probably, certainly this week.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Very excited for that, for you guys to have those on your, on your wrists. But if you want to join in the fun, patreon.com/thesmogontirepodcast. It's where you get the show live. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get the show extra. It's where you get the show without ads and it's where you get access to all kinds of special collabs and things that Zach and I do with people whose work we like, such as the Notice Canyon watches. I just sent an email to our friends at Tactile Turn Pens. I would like to do this. tactile turn pen which I got as a demo from them. I've been carrying around for like three months and I fucking love it.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 51:56Matt Farah?

  This is the side, the side click in brass, so it's got the patina. But it's just the right size, the right weight. Perfect to carry around with my notebook in my, in my man purse as I'm traveling. And I want to do one with our logo on it that, that you folks can buy. That's all I'm saying. Uh, everything's computer says. How do I identify the undercover cops in New York City? I saw a police odyssey in New York City the other day and only noticed because the lights were on. Fucking don't know.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Dude, undercover cars have gotten real sneaky now with like shrinking LED lights. I'll see them around, especially in New York or when we've been to Atlanta, like, you know, municipal. I don't know, here like, I feel like most of the cop cars are just cop cars, but there's probably some undercover ones. But they just, they can hide the lights anywhere, like in the taillight now, so.

• 52:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  I don't know. Whatever you're up to, don't do that.

• 52:50Matt Farah?

  I got, you know, pulled over and arrested by a fake taxi that was a cop car. It was a full yellow, you know, Caprice or whatever, yellow cab. And, and I got a fucking arrested by them, so I don't have a good way to identify those, those cops. They got me pretty good. Um, yeah, one crime at a time though. One crime at a time, you will be just fine.

• 53:15Matt Farah?

  Given to flywheel, very good. I went from a 997 Carrera to a 992T. I really enjoy the mid-range that the turbo engine gives. Uh, at elevation, it really shines. At 5,000 feet, the NA car may have lost 15 to 20% of its sea level power. When testing the canyons, do you notice the extra power from turbo cars? How does that potentially impact your review of NA cars?

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  So, most of the naturally aspirated cars that we're still driving today are quite powerful. You know, and, and, and in the canyons, most of the time, you're not, I'm not on the floorboard anyway. So, sure, if there's a car that's like a 300 horsepower car, like a 997, which I haven't driven up there in a very long time, but it's gonna have less power, for sure. But you realize that even with less power, you could still go fucking really fast. You're not racing. You're not, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't really make a difference. Now, when you start to get 8, 9,000 feet, like in Utah and stuff,

• 54:29Matt Farah?

  and a car that has average power at sea level starts to really drag ass. 5,000 feet, I don't think it's lost 20% of its power. I think it's more like 10, 15% for, for many cars. And these are powerful cars. The turbo cars, you lose less, for sure. We're very rarely doing back-to-back comparison tests with an NA car and a turbo car. So it's not like you notice the extra power of one versus another. It's just, this is this car and this is that car.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Also, if you live at altitude, you're aware of this issue. So if you were shopping for a car, I think, I think the person who's shopping does the consideration versus if we, you know, if I'm driving up there in the canyon, I don't live up there. So I don't think about it as much.

• 55:15Matt Farah?

  My car is naturally aspirated, and it is so fast that I can't use full throttle in places that there are other cars where I can't use full throttle.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  My car's NA, and it has 200 less horsepower than yours. It's like, I don't know, the canyons, it's like driving a Miata, it's momentum. So you're just, you're just, you're just slaloming, you know, you're just working through the corners. It's not a lot of point-to-point.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Do I notice if I drop two gears and try to like, you know, hammer it down? Sure. And then I just move on with life. It doesn't really matter unless I live at altitude. When I lived in Colorado, when I went from owning a Jetta to a turbocharged Subaru, there's a huge difference because I was going from 5,000 feet to nine or 10,000 a lot. And so as I got up there, when I'm passing trucks, it suddenly was safer to do that.

• 56:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. When I have driven on a couple of occasions, internal combustion engine cars up Pike's Peak, for instance, not racing, just, just for funsies. We drove the naturally aspirated SRT Jeep up Pike's Peak on that Rally North America thing. And that was, you know, a big 392 naturally aspirated. That motherfucker dragged ass up there. I bet that thing wasn't making 200 horsepower at the top of the mountain. That's 14,000 feet, though, isn't it?

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:35Matt Farah?

  It is, right? That's up, up. 5,000. Yes, your car, if you were timing laps, if it's a racetrack at 5,000 feet and you actually were timing compared your performance in the quarter mile in Denver compared to your performance in the quarter mile in LA, you would see a difference. In the canyons where you're really not full throttle, it's like you, Zach, said, momentum, it doesn't make that big of a difference. Unless you've got, I mean, if you went up there with a BMW 2002.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  You know, if you only had 80 or 90 horsepower to begin with.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  You know, it's a different story. Queer shifting gears. Just did the flywheel, clutch and transmission on my 96 Maxima race car after the teammate blew it up. Finding bearings and synchros was so hopeless, I actually cried. What is the hardest part you've had to track down? Fucking dude.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  Shit for the pow. An obscure JDM car that's not a Skyline. There is no marketplace for this shit in America. So like, finding the littlest garbage for this dumb little car is so fucking hard. It's so, there's been a few parts where it's like, you're telling me I can't get, you know, an air filter, like you're telling me I can't get bushings, you're telling me I can't get, you know, the most basic shit for this little fucking car. And it's like, you know, I could probably total this car pretty easily.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Right, yeah. If the insurance company can't find it, they're like, we're not flying this thing on a, you know, on a plane from, uh, from Japan.

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, there was, dude, there's, there was some stuff for Lamborghini where, uh, oh, for my Countach, where, you know, Donnie, at this point, you know, motivations are possibly in question, but, but Donnie had, you know, had to go to Italy to, to source, you know, parts. Um, you know, to be there physically and come back with a fucking distributor or something for a Countach. Um, so, whether or not that was-

• 58:52Speaker 01

  I think he liked going.

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  Whether or not that was medically, I, I wasn't buying his plane ticket, you know, to be fair, but like, you know.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  In hindsight, unclear.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  In the age of the iPhone, someone can say, is this the part you need? And you could say yes or no.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  Open Wide Open Throttle DDS says, I saw Gumball 3000 roll through Houston yesterday, which I assume is the pinnacle of rally life. Is there a hierarchy of rallies? As much as it pains me to say so, I, I have to agree that Gumball is probably the gold standard of silly lifestyle rallies.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Of course. I mean, it made, it wasn't first, but it was the most famous. And in our, our age of, you know, growing up with the, the early internet, uh, you know, the videos went viral, we all saw the Mr. 3000 video, like I watched them over and over and over again. Of course.

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is, it is the gold standard for a reason.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, you know, it's these, those things are supposed to be extravagant. And I think that one manages to, you know, year after year, just be the most extravagant.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  I forgot they were still happening.

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  I could, I, yeah, that's shocking.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  I, I don't know, and I don't know if it went away for a decade and came, and just got brought back.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  No, I don't think so, dude.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Have they still been doing it?

• 1:00:17Matt Farah?

  I think they've been doing it. There might have not been a COVID one or something, but, but it's been, uh, it's been going.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:00:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, you know, there's people that are really into it. I, it's, I don't know if they've, if they've, uh, evolved the event over years. I mean, I know that, um, it, it, it's a lot of distance. Like, it's just these, these huge, enormous halls of distance that don't interest me in the least.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  It's, it's a style of an event, and I think it's not our type of event. But I also understand why it is attractive to people. Like, I watched all this stuff when I was like 20.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  And I thought it was cool because it was new and, and it was, it was exciting cars going fast, which is what I imagined I'd want to do if I had those cars.

• 1:01:07Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  And now, having driven lots of stuff in different places, I'd rather go do a stage rally, you know, on a closed course for a day.

• 1:01:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Or for four days than to do this kind of stuff, plus the legal difficulties and all the other things. But for some people, you know, this is like the perfect intersection of their lifestyle and all of their interests.

• 1:01:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, when I was 27, this was the coolest thing ever. Now, like, the, the day I did my first real race, where I was in a race car, or so, close to other people.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  That were doing the same thing, all in the same fucking mindset. I was like, oh, that shit is so fucking dumb.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  But if you're, if you love bottle service and you love hypercars.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and cocaine.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:01:53Matt Farah?

  And driving really hungover.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Matt Farah?

  And I mean, if, I mean, doing like eight hours as hungover as you've ever been in your life.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you went to bed at three.

• 1:02:01Matt Farah?

  Fuck.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Got up at six, five days in a row.

• 1:02:04Matt Farah?

  Dude, imagine trying to do that at our age. There's people older than us doing this.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:02:10Matt Farah?

  There's people in their like sixties doing this. They probably have fucking IVs.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  With cocaine in them.

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  And shit.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Matt Farah?

  With just saline and coke.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  They probably do.

• 1:02:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  You know, we know like, uh, you know, Burt would talk about the hydration person that would come to their hotel room after like a party night before they're doing a show.

• 1:02:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Of course they'll have that. Yeah.

• 1:02:28Matt Farah?

  The, I'm at the.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  It's like spring break level partying, but at age fifty, sixty.

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  The kind of hangovers that I get now, I couldn't fuck do any of that. That's nuts.

• 1:02:43Matt Farah?

  And you kind of look like a dickbag. I mean, it's, it's. I feel like, you know, to people that know better, you look like such a dickbag. I looked like such a dickbag back in the day.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  Oh, doing the, uh, well, cause you were there for Black Magic.

• 1:02:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's all silly.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Ball and stuff.

• 1:03:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But at the, at the, at that age bracket, you don't know better. You think it's fucking cool.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Matt Farah?

  I don't even know if there was a question in there. The existence. Oh, the hierarchy.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's the top.

• 1:03:12Matt Farah?

  That's the top for sure. Uh, cruised along at half speed, then money shifted gears. Uh, it's very, very good. Um, that's, that's a Rise Against reference as well.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:03:25Matt Farah?

  Um, I have a CT4 V Blackwing and an old five-speed Ford Ranger. I enjoy the lazy and patient driving Ford, sometimes more than the fast caddy. Do you notice the same things moving from sports cars to the Delica or Pal? A hundred percent. When you drive a car that cannot go fast, where like being aggressive is no longer an option, your mindset changes.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. You go, why even try?

• 1:03:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You just go, I'll just be here. I'll just be in the right, I'll just be in the right lane. And you find that unless the car is like desperately slow. The amount of time it takes you to get places is basically the same.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  It's like being in a rowboat and trying to go really fast. You get real tired, you're not gonna go that fast. It displaces too much water and you just go, I'm just gonna chill.

• 1:04:12Matt Farah?

  And by the way, same thing, same exact thing if you're road tripping in EV. Same shit. It's a little faster, you know, you, the pow is like really like 65 is about all the pow's got, but fucking three gears and 55 horsepower. But when I drove across, across most of the country in the Taycan, you know, I'm in a Porsche. Oh, feels like a Porsche, steering wheels on Porsche wheel. If I fucking smash the throttle, even though I have the slow one, still pretty fast, you know, has a sport mode. And I, four days at 74 miles an hour. This is just being passed by trucks. I'm on my own, I'm in my own pace, on my own journey. I'm not trying to get there faster than this guy. My plan says this is how long it'll take.

• 1:04:56Matt Farah?

  And whatever anyone's doing around me, this is what I'm doing.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  I think it kinda removes the variable, or the influence of the car. Like if you're in a fast car, if I'm in a fast car, then I keep going, well, when do I get to, you know, taste what this car offers, right? That like, that's what it's for and maybe I'll drive more aggressively because I want to hear it. Or I want to feel the power or whatever, like it puts me in the mood. But with the EV, you go, none of that really matters, even if it has a thousand horsepower, like it's quiet, it calms you down. So you're like, all right, how do I want to travel down this road today? Like what mood am I in?

• 1:05:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, good question though. She likes a choke to get started, says, um, you, you see, you frequently say at the end of the show that you save the unanswered questions for the next show. Do you really do this? Uh, yeah, most of the time.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Most of the time, we do a little copy paste. There are times I admit where we just don't bring them over. Or I didn't like save them in the page and then we just move on with the week.

• 1:05:49Matt Farah?

  That doesn't mean every question gets to the show. I mean, there, Zach does, there is a filtration process. Not, I mean, we, we do our best to answer all the questions and like, you got a better chance than not, most of the time, if you've got a legit question of like getting it on the show, like Zach doesn't filter that much, but.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  I don't, but if it's, today someone asked a question that we literally answered on the show. Show last week.

• 1:06:11Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  So I just wrote to them, hey, we did that. Or if it's a question that is so specific that only you will listen to it.

• 1:06:18Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Truly, it's like, you know, what hot dog stand should I go to in my town that we've never been to? I'm like, we can't be there.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  Dude, tour guide questions for sure to get, get deleted. Red race suit apparatus. Uh, do you see the simple and smooth designs of the nineties coming back? Or will we have hard lines and squinty cars for the foreseeable future? Well, it's all cyclical, right? I don't think we'll get as like bubbly as the nineties, but I mean, dude, I think, I think the Ferrari Luches in mood board features a lot of early 1990s Alfa Romeo and Pininfarina designs.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  And then they threw that board in the trash.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  No, no, like just not shit for Ferraris, like pin in for, for other cars, designs for other cars. Like, like we talked about that Alfa Romeo S Z, which is a weird cam back kind of thing.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  That you could sort of overlay the

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Sort of floating roof.

• 1:07:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, Lucid to their credit, like they're pretty round and smooth. There are companies doing it, Range Rover, still sticking to their guns, which I think those cars look so good today. Next to like anything from BMW.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  One of the things designers talk about a lot is tension.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  And, and those hard lines do create a tension that a lot of like bubbly nineties lines just don't have.

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  And so, yeah.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  I also think that there's been a, a lot of companies have edged towards more aggressive looks. The RAV4 is a good example, Toyota, like people have clearly drawn to some sort of like intimidating aggressive shape, even if the car is a Camry. And I think that, I don't think we've seen that run its course quite yet. Like the Subarus keep getting just more, there's just more and more tension, more lines everywhere.

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  But I hope like the Audi's a little smoother, that Jaguar concept was

• 1:08:16Matt Farah?

  That's very smooth.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  That's very smooth. I mean, the F-type in general was like such a classic, good looking shape with only a few lines on it. That's what I'd prefer, but I don't know. I don't think we've gotten to the bottom of the well yet.

• 1:08:30Matt Farah?

  Goal Yellow says, "Thinking about Plan Z-ing a sports car with a friend." We're currently between, oh, we currently have between us, a 94 NSX, a 992.1 Carrera S, a 1988 Saab 9000 Turbo, and a 1995 Volvo 850 T5R." Interesting. "What for $50,000 or less should we consider for quirky and interesting, but still keeping driving dynamics front of mind? Shortlist includes an R32 Skyline, an E36 M3, and a mid-90's 300ZX, but open to other suggestions." No American cars. I wouldn't mind because, I wouldn't mind, but he's not into them.

• 1:09:15Matt Farah?

  No convertibles and no trucks." Okay, well, that's a lot of, lot to work with there. Okay, nothing American, easy to eliminate that. $50,000, bunch of money, can get you a very interesting experience. My shortlist, I mean, I would, Skyline would be on the list. You've already got some dope stuff, right? Your Porsche is covered, your NSX is covered. Matter of fact, I think the presence of an NSX would eliminate the 300ZX. I don't find that car to be particularly quirky.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Big, heavy, hard to work on.

• 1:09:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, okay, I would say, if you could find a great, the R53 Mini Cooper, John Cooper Works, collectible, it'll be way less than 50 grand, but it's quirky and fun and awesome.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  I agree, that's a good one. And that's, it'd be a nice front-wheel-drive addition in a smaller car, which is cool. I was gonna say, maybe an E39 M5. I don't know how new they wanna go. I just feel like they're missed, they have a lot of turbocharged stuff.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  They don't have anything that's just front-engine, rear-drive, traditional.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Right, I mean, E36 would do that, but I think.

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  It would, as would sort of the Skyline.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. You could also go like E90, not to lean on BMW too hard, but I just wanna get a V8 in here, it's all like turbocharged, turbocharged Euro stuff.

• 1:10:47Matt Farah?

  E90 M3 could be very fun. Also, like...

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  You know, you could get a, like a pretty lightly used Supra, like a newer, you got newer car.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:11:00Matt Farah?

  You can get a, you could get.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  You could get the manual transmission GR Supra probably.

• 1:11:05Matt Farah?

  You could get a Shelby GT350.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should do that.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  So here's the thing with a Plan Z, if you're gonna get an old car, you need to be real straightforward about what level of particular maintenance are we, you know, if we have to redo the weather stripping, for instance, on a 90's car, and we find out that's $6,000, are we doing it? So, another, you know, when Spike and those guys do a Plan Z, they're buying either a brand-new car that they're gonna keep for three to nine months and then just flip. That car's not gonna need maintenance. Or they're buying a car that's like, fresh off the restoration, and that car's not gonna

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  be maintenance, or they're buying a car that's like, perfect, perfect, perfect, and it, but it might, and it might break, but it probably isn't gonna have any like, huge needs. So like, the cars that they buy aren't cars that could potentially have like, major service items come up. So, if it's gonna be a car like that, you should just be really clear about, to what degree are we collectively gonna service this car, to what level of obsessiveness are we gonna get? Are we gonna get oil changes every 2,000 miles, or every 10,000 miles are we gonna get, blah, blah, blah?

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:26Matt Farah?

  That's important. But like, dude, you have so many quirky shit up here already. What about, um, something that's like, well, the Sky, no, the Skyline would cover that. Man, the Skyline is really where my head keeps going back to. You could also get some other weird JDM shit, like a, like a Chaser.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  Or like, you could each get your own fucking Suzuki Cappuccino.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  That'd be cool. And you could get any, you could get all manner of Evo.

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Which are so fun and interesting, and definitely would stand out in your collection despite being turbocharged.

• 1:13:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Like Evo 5 or 6.

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  Find yourself a stock Evo 9, and do like, the exhaust downpipe tune, and then leave the rest alone, and have like, a 380, 400 horsepower Evo that'll just drive beautifully. That'd be a good time.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Matt Farah?

  Angela White says.

• 1:13:26Matt Farah?

  If you were theoretically to take a sporting but responsible drive in a capable car in the canyons, how much above the recommended speed for a corner would you be going?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  I think this is a very good question because it always depends on the conditions. Because we have come around corners or been approaching corners where there was clearly a like small landslide the day before and the corner is covered in gravel and we go under the speed limit. Probably depending on the size and it depends on the size of the slide, the depth of the dirt like you can. If you can see tarmac through it, you go, okay, my tire is contacting the tarmac. But there's also times where you go, oh, that that dirt is completely covering the tarmac. That's gonna be slippery as hell. So I also don't want to answer this question because it could be incriminating.

• 1:14:10Matt Farah?

  No, it's just a theory. I mean, for instance. I, the road, the, the speed limit doesn't change on like sections of Mulholland Highway. Just because the road gets like super tight and technical for that section. So you go, well, I'm going 10 over here. But I'm going 30 over in that area.

• 1:14:39Matt Farah?

  I would say that like in a, in the Angeles Forest, in a good car.

• 1:14:46Matt Farah?

  One could, one could average 60 miles an hour, average. And that, you know, you're, you're, some places the speed limit's 45, some places the speed limit's 55. If you're averaging 60, you're obviously gonna do quicker than that. I allegedly, I once got from Newcombs Ranch to the Shell Station at the bottom of Angeles Crest. In a time which would be a, a average of 74, which is as far as I know, the quickest I've ever done it. But like, yeah, it's, it's like 50 to 80 in the open sweepers. And it's 30 to 50 in the tighter sections, pretty much.

• 1:15:31Matt Farah?

  Steven Messler, what car categories in general do better on bat versus cars and bids? Or is it luck of the draw? Um, certainly like, like exotics and shit. Uh, the flip market, all that is better on Bring a Trailer. Classic American cars and classic European cars are better on Bring a Trailer. Uh, Japanese tuner cars are better on Cars and Bids typically. Modified cars are better on Cars and Bids. Cheaper cars are better on Cars and Bids.

• 1:16:08Matt Farah?

  Other cars are kind of a wash.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  German shit.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  Ten year old stuff in general seems like it's better on Cars and Bids.

• 1:16:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Other stuff, it can be a wash. Yeah. I happen to like the interface of Cars and Bids. Like their software I like better than the Bat software. So I like using it as a seller. Um, I prefer that platform, but um, Bat still has a bigger audience, man. Cadillac Cimarron Burgundy, uh, most underrated food cities, US and otherwise.

• 1:16:39Matt Farah?

  I mean,

• 1:16:43Matt Farah?

  I, I don't know if I've ever been anywhere that was,

• 1:16:47Matt Farah?

  where it had good food and nobody talked about it.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  You know, like, uh, like, I've been a lot of places where I'm like, has nobody fucking moved here that knew how to cook? You know, like, that's crazy. Like that there's cities in America, where like, nobody has figured out, like, yo, no one like, here's the thing, why has nobody from Indianapolis that knows how to cook, taken one trip to LA or New York, eaten any number of the delicious things that we make here, that are affordable? And just flagrantly gone home and copied that shit? Like, there, no one's copied egg slut? Nobody's copied Kogi? Nobody's copied this shit that's like, fucking,

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  eh, brain damage easy to copy? You could reverse engineer a Kogi taco in five fucking seconds, and sell that shit in your city and be rich.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  I wonder, but I wonder if, uh, they've noticed that people like, if, if there's not enough people drawn to Korean barbecue, would they want a combination Korean barbecue, other, you know, other stuff?

• 1:17:54Matt Farah?

  I,

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Or like, would they be like, huh, that's weird? Whereas I think like Austin, obviously it's a much more. bustling metropolis sort of thing like I've had amazing food there that was definitely strange combinations of different cuisines slammed together.

• 1:18:07Matt Farah?

  You don't necessarily have to do strange combinations of things. The Kogi is the example that's the easiest to do and easiest to replicate. We're talking about Korean tacos, but like there's fucking that place Bombay Frankie, where they take fucking chicken tikka masala and put that shit in a burrito. This ain't rocket science, guys, like, but no, and like, why has nobody that knows how to make a fucking cheesesteak ever left Philadelphia for anywhere else and set up business? Like crazy.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like cheesesteaks are available in other places, but I think their popularity has gone down.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  Not good ones, but like, I don't know, I just feel like people could do that and make and earn a living. Like, it's not rocket science, but like you go these places, like you've never heard of this? What are you fucking talking about? The internet is the same here. You don't see that shit?

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  People move one direction.

• 1:18:57Matt Farah?

  Crazy. Um, she put, wait, okay. She put her Volvo on my pole like a star. Ineos and Zinger succeeded, whereas Sony and Apple failed. Which non-car company do you want to see try to build one next?

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  I think Apple threw in the towel, which was really smart of them. I don't think they failed. I think they stopped well, they stopped well shy of where Sony got to. I don't know what happened with Sony. I know their ads were weird, but like.

• 1:19:30Matt Farah?

  Honda bailed.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Oh, they bailed, okay. So their whole powertrain bailed out of it.

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Matt Farah?

  They also tried to name their car Aphila, which is heinous.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Really bad.

• 1:19:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, and Ineos, yes, Zinger was never not a car company. If you're talking about Divergent 3D, that's a separate company.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  It's also, you know, Zinger sells $2 million cars, you know, 10 of them a year. It's not, whereas I think Sony and Apple were going after the Camry market, right? Ineos, it's not as exclusive or unique as Zinger, but it's like you had, product market fit had already been developed for you, like, oh, everyone's buying discoveries, they love them, they're going away, or defenders, rather. So how can we just make those? And it also has the support of a giant company above it.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, I don't really want to see non-car companies build cars. It's like, I don't, I'm not, I'm not like, you know, we really could use a Sony car. I don't, I'm not, I don't think that, it's not like we need that.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  I think this goes to the question we've answered before about what watch company would you want to see build a car?

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  So it's a company that pays a lot of attention to think, attributes you think would be good in a car.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  You know, precision and the clickiness and the way things, the feels.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Oster. The Oster Model 10 buzzer that I have.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, they make blenders and stuff?

• 1:21:01Matt Farah?

  And shit that lasts for like 80 years.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Matt Farah?

  My buzzer will outlast me. I'll have to bequeath it to somebody. Maybe it could be you.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  They could, they could make the competitor to BYD, I think, truly.

• 1:21:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I like big, black calipers. Okay. Where do you stand on slotted, drilled, and slotted and drilled rotors in the context of a daily and weekend canyon car?

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  I think a lot of race teams have proven that solid steel brakes will work for endurance racing, so if you're just doing, if it's a daily car and a weekend canyon car, you probably don't need ventilated slotted discs.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  I, to my understanding, and I'm not an engineer, slotted provides effective venting. If you're gonna, if you want to run a day, an everyday brake pad, which will get hotter, faster than a track pad, but that will survive like weekends, the vented rotor with the slots will help keep those a little cooler. It has been my understanding from what I've heard from other people, is that drilled holes through your rotor are less effective than slots and are less effective than the vented. Sandwich design.

• 1:22:20Matt Farah?

  So like, I wouldn't actively go buy a set of drilled rotors for my car.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  I would not for my weekend or Canyon car, or my daily, which I haven't. And like, if I was gonna build a track car, I would just do more research about it. Cause like you, I'm not an engineer. I think I've seen, you see success with both. There's probably a reason that a lot of Brembos are come drilled. I mean, it does help evacuate heat, but for a daily, you know, daily, it's a daily. You know, unless they're warping super easily, cause the metal's really cheap and shitty. I mean, that's a different story, that does happen, but.

• 1:22:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Silence of the Lambo, I always wanted the same model reference watch. The Omega Seamaster from James Bond GoldenEye. Are there any other movie watches to consider buying to actually wear every day? Well, James Bond's been wearing all Omega Seamasters for a very long time. If you go back to like Sean Connery era, he wore Rolex Submariners. And then Omega got that contract and they never went back. So you could certainly wear a Submariner or a Omega Seamaster every single day. Other movie, I mean, movie watches. Here's the thing about movie watches.

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  Unless you're like role playing the character, it's not a great way to choose your watch. Cause a lot of like, it's not, it's a different person who's wearing that watch on a screen. It's not, you may not fit your lifestyle or something, you know?

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think, I mean, that also would just dissolve how marketing works in general. Like we all, we all see a hero doing something, we're like, oh.

• 1:24:03Matt Farah?

  You want a piece of the hero?

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you want a piece of the hero. You wanna see a bit of yourself in the hero. I think if you like the watch and you like the movie, that's what matters. But I don't know if they're investment grade or not, you could speak to that more.

• 1:24:16Matt Farah?

  Not usually, no, not usually. Things that are designed to be collectible often aren't.

• 1:24:22Matt Farah?

  But if you're like a Bond guy and you wanna go Seamaster and leave out your Bond, there's a collab fucking one for every generation.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  There is, I just found the webpage. Every movie that Daniel Craig has done has a Omega for it, or maybe two.

• 1:24:35Matt Farah?

  He wants the GoldenEye one. He wants to go back to Pierce Brosnan fucking 96.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  What's funny, I just was thinking, you know, back in the day, they have like the laser watch that Sean Connery had or something that could like cut them out of jail. And knowing what we know now about battery density, there's no way that that power source would work. I think it was made up, is what I'm saying.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, two in the frozen berry, one in the mahogany metallic. Best GT car for road trips under 70,000. Decent auto gearbox, good trunk space, not a Corvette.

• 1:25:08Matt Farah?

  Mercedes C63 coupe? Or a BMW F80? M4 maybe with a stick?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  CL.

• 1:25:17Matt Farah?

  Or DCT?

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Get a CL63.

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  CL, ooh, CL63.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  That's a real comfy machine.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  I mean, you could probably find a cheap M8. I don't love those cars. I'd rather have the CL.

• 1:25:32Matt Farah?

  I'd rather have the CL than an M8, but you're not wrong about the M8. Uh, that would be good.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Uh, RS5, also fantastic car.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  70K gets you a bunch of used Panamera Turbo S. Now, it's a sedan, it's not a quote GT, buuuut.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then you can bring more people on your tour.

• 1:25:50Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:54Matt Farah?

  Those Mercedes, I mean, nothing depreciates like a fucking AMG car. So you get a lot, a lot for your money with one of those.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  I wonder if you can get a Rolls Royce yet for 70 grand?

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  A Phantom?

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:07Matt Farah?

  Not a good one. It would be pretty scruffy. You could probably get a Bentley GT. I mean, I don't, it won't be a current gen, but you could get like a 13, 2013, 14, 15 Bentley GT. And if you're not trying to be super, super dynamic with it, and you don't need that DCT, the PDK gearbox, you're okay with like a slush box? That'll be an extremely good cruiser.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Uh, DBS. You can get an older DBS.

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  Sure, you wanna roll the dice on one of those. But I didn't wanna suggest an old Aston, because that's rarely good advice.

• 1:26:43Matt Farah?

  70K, I mean, will get you a Cayman GTS.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  That's a great car.

• 1:26:49Matt Farah?

  Which is a great car with a PDK, two trunks, you know, very, very comfy.

• 1:26:59Matt Farah?

  I like hot dog says, what holy grail piece is missing from each of our themed bathrooms? My, each of my two themed bathrooms? The, I mean, the demolition man one, there's, there's, I can't afford it.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  I wish the seashells were self-cleaning. Cause I have to clean them off every time. It's like, it kinda defeats the purpose.

• 1:27:22Matt Farah?

  That's funny. The real seashells.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  Ceramic doesn't smell. Doesn't hold smells.

• 1:27:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, what is the holy grail piece? I tried to get it and couldn't get it was the machine that prints the swear words. The fines and the swear words. And that would have been the fucking clutches thing, but it was like $20,000 and that's just, that's so dumb.

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  Hannah really wants to fit.

• 1:27:51Matt Farah?

  She wants to get another one of those Wiener mobiles and put it inside the bathroom.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  You're out of space, bro.

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  Which is not happening. She's discussed addition on the house to make that bathroom bigger. So that it could fit more hot dog shit. Which is crazy.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  So, yeah, uh, so vote to increase taxes.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  Listen, we don't have kids, man. I gotta do something. I gotta do something to keep this lady happy.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  I know. Uh, but you can't put, that, the hot dog cart is pretty big.

• 1:28:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Would it fit in the bathroom right now?

• 1:28:29Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Like, it wouldn't even-

• 1:28:31Matt Farah?

  If you stood it up, like vertically-

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can't roll it in there.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think you could.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  You could bolt it to the ceiling.

• 1:28:35Matt Farah?

  I, I asked about that and it, it, it would cover all the lights. It'd be problematic.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:28:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know. I, her spending habits compared to mine, at this point, she can have what she wants.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  I get it, yeah.

• 1:28:50Matt Farah?

  I mean, the Countach monthly run rate, you know, there's all this dumb shit I buy.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  So, alright, so the addition will be done in a couple of months.

• 1:28:56Matt Farah?

  She's like, I bought shoes, they're 30, do you think these are $35 or should I return them? And I'm like, so here's the monthly Countach, you know, restoration bill and it's like- Another universe, it's crazy.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Matt Farah?

  Such a fucking shithead.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  No, it gives her permission to have fun. Both of our wives are too frugal.

• 1:29:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, they are. I tried, I tried to get her-

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Go have fun.

• 1:29:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, spend more money. If you want the shoes, just get the fucking shoes. I, you know, whatever. Yeah. That's our show. Thank you, everybody. I'm going to the, going up north. And then I'll be back in time for our next show. Uh, if you can, if you are in Detroit or in the Midwest in the month of August, you want to come see us at Royal Oak at 248 Garage, August 13th. Tickets are on sale right now. Uh, the link is in our Instagram bio, um, or are you-

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  It's on Eventbrite, so if you go to Eventbrite, you can search for the Smoking Tire Podcast, but it's all, it is in our, your Instagram bio, my Instagram bio.

• 1:29:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Um, easy, easy to find.

• 1:29:54Matt Farah?

  If you can't figure it out, I don't want to tell you. But, uh, come on down for that. Of course, our giveaway Porsche video is up. Zach and I went to, uh, Zion National Park for one day, uh, to break in that car for you, so be sure to get your entries in. That's going until August. And do we have anything else to share today?

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  No, we have just videos coming.

• 1:30:16Matt Farah?

  Videos are coming. That's the other thing, is that videos are coming. See you guys later. Bye.