270. The Missing Gambling King - Bruce Weinstein

In this episode, Garrett and Payton explore the mysterious case of Bruce Weinstein. When Bruce fails to open his gambling business one morning, concern quickly turns to alarm as loved ones launch a desperate search for answers. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: NYDailyNews.com - https://www.nydailynews.com/2010/02/06/the-naked-the-dead-killer-amy-dechant-found-in-nudist-camp/ CaseLaw. FindLaw.com - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/nv-supreme-court/1490589.html TampaBay.com - https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1998/01/29/show-leads-to-arrest-in-vegas-murder-case/ LasVegasSun.com - https://lasvegassun.com/news/1998/jan/28/fugitive-suspect-in-weinstein-murder-arrested/ Murderpedia.com - https://mail.murderpedia.org/female. D/d/dechant-amy.htm Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/sin-city-murders/crime-news/amy-dechant-hid-in-nudist-camp-after-killing-bruce-weinstein Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:57Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Peyton Morland.

• 1:04Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garo Morland.

• 1:05Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 1:06Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Another week, another episode. Guess what? This episode came out, is coming out, is out on May 26, 2025, which is my birthday.

• 1:22Payton Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh. Happy birthday, Sheila.

• 1:27Garrett Moreland?

  My birthday, I am turning. Everyone guess how old I'm turning?

• 1:34Payton Moreland?

  Thirty.

• 1:35Garrett Moreland?

  Everyone except my wife. Guess how old I'm turning in the comments. Let me know. I'm sure everyone probably knows I'm turning 31. That's weird.

• 1:44Payton Moreland?

  Twenty-nine.

• 1:45Garrett Moreland?

  Thirty-one. What do you mean?

• 1:46Payton Moreland?

  Twenty-one.

• 1:47Garrett Moreland?

  Turning 31 years old.

• 1:48Payton Moreland?

  I was trying to get you lesser.

• 1:50Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, thanks, Ruby.

• 1:51Payton Moreland?

  You're welcome.

• 1:51Garrett Moreland?

  Turning 31. I was born May 26, 1924, at 11. You remember what time? It's like 11:31 PM or something like that.

• 2:02Payton Moreland?

  I was 10:14 AM.

• 2:03Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, good job, babe.

• 2:04Payton Moreland?

  Not that you asked.

• 2:05Garrett Moreland?

  Good job, babe. Yeah, it's my birthday today. I don't know exactly what we're doing. I don't know if we have any crazy plans. It's also Memorial Day. So yeah, Memorial Day, my birthday, we're kind of just hanging out. And what I got going, that will be my 10 seconds as well. If you feel like wishing me happy birthday, go ahead. But I will tell everyone my number one pet peeve during this 10 seconds is when people sing happy birthday to me when we're in a public setting.

• 2:31Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 2:32Garrett Moreland?

  So.

• 2:33Payton Moreland?

  Doesn't like it.

• 2:33Garrett Moreland?

  Don't like it. I hate sitting at restaurants and everyone's singing happy birthday to me. Doesn't matter where it is, my house, restaurants, anywhere. I just, I can't stand it. It's probably my number one pet peeve.

• 2:47Payton Moreland?

  It's not just you, though. You don't like when anyone sings to anyone in a public setting.

• 2:51Garrett Moreland?

  No, it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable.

• 2:54Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 2:55Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know why it just, I just, I'm like, we're all just sitting there and then everyone's just singing happy birthday to you. And they were just looking at all them like, oh, thanks. Like, that's so awkward. That's just so weird to me. You have like 10 people singing at you and you're just sitting there and you don't know where to look. So you look down, then you look up at a couple of people and then you look back down and you're like, wow, this song is taking a really long time. And then you blow your candle out and you're like, yay.

• 3:24Payton Moreland?

  And it's like the worst is it's like this staff you don't even know.

• 3:28Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's, yeah, you get the staff involved.

• 3:31Payton Moreland?

  And it's like, they all hate it, but they're just sitting there having to do it. And then you don't even know them and they're singing happy birthday to you.

• 3:37Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I can't stand it. So that's my 10 seconds. That is my rant. Love you guys. But everything is going well and I hope everyone has a fantastic day. Let's hop into, oh, my birthday, if you want, you can check out our bonus content. We got Patreon episodes and we have Apple subscriptions or Spotify subscriptions, ad free content, bonus episodes. You can check it out. Let's hop into this week's episode.

• 4:06Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are NYDailyNews.com, caselaw, findlaw.com, TampaBay.com, LasVegasSun.com, Murderpedia.com, and Oxygen. We've said it before, but Garrett and I do think a lot about how blessed we are to do what we do, that we work from our house, our studio, and that while we might be telling stories about dangerous people, our line of work isn't inherently dangerous. We're not out there putting our lives at risk every day to make a living, though that is what some people do. For some professionals, danger is a part of the job description, comes with the territory, right? Whether you're maintaining the law, working as a police officer, or breaking it, like

• 4:51Payton Moreland?

  working with the mob, or doing illegal bookkeeping. Some professions mean you don't know how the day is going to end. But there's something else that's interesting about these dangerous lines of work. You never know who will come for you. And if it does end in the worst-case scenario, say a murder investigation, your greatest enemies become suspects, even though they may be a cover for the people closest to you. And that is what we will be talking about today. So I want to introduce you to 46-year-old Bruce Weinstein. Now, he was originally from Liberty, New York. Bruce and his family moved to Los Angeles, California, I believe sometime when he was

• 5:36Payton Moreland?

  a kid. And that's where he spent much of his formative years. And while I don't know a ton about Bruce Weinstein's early life, I know that he was the eldest of four siblings, and he and his family were really tight. When his brother Steven got older, he decided to start a little family business with his dad. This is one that Bruce himself would join later, though we're not talking about running a laundromat or getting into real estate. No, Bruce's family ran their own bookkeeping business, AKA this is collecting bed-

• 6:13Payton Moreland?

  And then paying them off. So say there's a basketball game you feel really confident about, or a horse you want to bet on, you might seek out the Weinsteins to place a bet. And this is especially in the days before apps like DraftKings. And Bruce was really good at his job, mainly because he earned the trust of a lot of his players. Which, let's face it, while this is legal in many states, it can be a bit sketchy. But Bruce probably had some wealthy people making some pretty hefty bets while he was living in Los Angeles. Because

• 6:49Garrett Moreland?

  Daisy, come here. Daisy, come here. Daisy, come here.

• 6:52Payton Moreland?

  Oh, holy Alright, you guys, we're back. We were filming and we have our back door all the way open. Because Daisy likes to go play in the backyard while we're filming. And then Garrett looked over and there was the biggest deer. On our, like, concrete, like, could have walked into our house that close to the door, the wide open door.

• 7:15Garrett Moreland?

  No, it was, it was a really big deer.

• 7:17Payton Moreland?

  And Daisy just looked at it and didn't even come inside.

• 7:20Garrett Moreland?

  We see a lot of deers out here. That was the biggest deer I've ever seen.

• 7:24Payton Moreland?

  Just casually walking on our house.

• 7:26Garrett Moreland?

  And it, so I, I, I look up. I see the deer, deer just staring at Daisy. And Daisy looks at deer and goes, rough.

• 7:36Garrett Moreland?

  That's it. Like, she didn't freak out. Zero survival instincts.

• 7:39Payton Moreland?

  And then the deer just looked away and walked down into the ravine.

• 7:43Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, he jumped.

• 7:45Payton Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 7:46Garrett Moreland?

  That was a big deer.

• 7:47Payton Moreland?

  It was so close.

• 7:48Garrett Moreland?

  I was sure it had a camera on the

• 7:50Payton Moreland?

  I know.

• 7:50Garrett Moreland?

  Um, right there, where, where the deer was at, there's like a blind spot. So I need to put in a new camera.

• 7:55Payton Moreland?

  Okay, we are getting back into Bruce, who has now grown up in LA with his family. His brother and dad started business and he is now also working at this bookkeeping business as an adult. And like I said, Bruce probably has some pretty wealthy clients. Because he ends up making a good living off this profession. He drove a nice car, he lived in a beautiful house, and he knew how to have a good time. Bruce was always the life of the party. He lived life in the fast lane. Always out enjoying nice dinners with a few drinks. Plus, everyone said he had this laugh that was just infectious. Bruce sounds like the kind of guy you really want to be around. At least that's what Elizabeth Toots felt when she met Bruce.

• 8:41Payton Moreland?

  So the two of them meet and then they get married in 1990. And they end up welcoming a little girl into their family. It's Bruce's first and only child, Jacqueline. But over time, things started to get rocky between Elizabeth and Bruce. And in the early 90s, they decide to call it quits. But Bruce wasn't just moving past the relationship. He actually decided after this divorce that he wanted to move out of LA. Though there was one thing Bruce wasn't willing to be done with yet, and that was his bookie business. So Bruce found a place where he could really build his roster of clients

• 9:24Payton Moreland?

  and still see his daughter on the weekends, which is why in the early 90s, he decides to move from LA to Las Vegas. Now, a single dad in his early 40s, Bruce was excited about this brand new chapter. He really embraced the gambling scene. He got to know the people around the hotels. He began entering poker tournaments at the casinos. And that's where he meets 46-year-old Amy Deschamps. Now, there's a little thing about Bruce that I haven't mentioned yet. And that is that he sticks out in a crowd, okay? Bruce is about 300 pounds. He has a long silver ponytail, this big round belly.

• 10:08Payton Moreland?

  And in 1995, while playing Texas Hold'em at the Mirage Casino, he definitely stands out to Amy. She's a petite brunette who sits next to him at the poker table. They get talking. Bruce tells her, oh yeah, I actually run a bookkeeping business. She tells him she has her own upholstery cleaning business and works for a lot of hotels on the strip. And Bruce says, hey, I'd love to hire you for a job. She probably gives him her business card. And a few days later, she shows up on Bruce's doorstep, ready to clean whatever it was he needed cleaned. But it's clear Bruce wasn't actually really interested in Amy coming over to clean.

• 10:45Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 10:46Payton Moreland?

  It's more a personal thing. So she comes over and they get talking and he learns that Amy has lost both of her parents at a young age before she even turned 10. She was then raised by her aunt and uncle in New Jersey. And when she turned 17, she ran off, she married her high school sweetheart. The two got divorced. Amy got married again, which was followed by a second divorce. And that's when Amy decided she needed a change of scenery. So in 1992, around the same time as Bruce, Amy moved to Las Vegas and bought a condo. She starts the upholstery business with some friends, snagged some pretty big clients like MGM and Scenic Airlines. And now here she was, getting courted by Bruce Weinstein. And seemingly,

• 11:31Payton Moreland?

  Amy's into it. Bruce asks her out. Things go from professional to romantic pretty quickly. And within just a week or so of meeting Bruce, Amy is selling her condo and moving into his large Spanish style home.

• 11:46Garrett Moreland?

  Damn, I mean, can you blame her?

• 11:49Payton Moreland?

  I mean, within a week, she lied, let me dip in that pool. So, things were moving so fast that even Bruce's mother Sylvia was like, bro, you've got to slow down. She nearly fainted when she heard that Bruce bought Amy a diamond necklace and a new Chevy Camaro just weeks after they met. But there were others who thought Amy was kind of a source of light in Bruce's life. She was helping him get back into shape. She was helping him monitor his diabetes. Bruce even started to slim down in the weeks after meeting her, getting a little healthier. And the two did seem to be in love. They were planning for their future, booking vacations and doing things together. So about a year into their relationship

• 12:32Payton Moreland?

  in 1996, they plan to take a little trip to Lake Tahoe, California. This is close to Vegas. They're just gonna go have fun. So on July 6th, Bruce was gonna leave work, meet up with Amy, but fate had another plan for Bruce. On that Saturday morning, Bruce's mother Sylvia gets a call that he never showed up to open his office that day, which is strange to her because she knows this business well. I mean, half of the family is in the bookkeeping business and she knows that Bruce has to be there at 6:00 AM to do what they call set the line, which basically means he has to go in at 6:00 AM and establish the initial betting odds for that day. And

• 13:16Payton Moreland?

  this is something that you cannot miss. Like it absolutely has to be done and Bruce has to do it, which is why Sylvia then calls Bruce's girlfriend Amy to see why he didn't show up to work. And Amy tells Sylvia, Bruce's mom, that the last time she saw Bruce was actually around 11:00 PM the night before. That was when he told her he had to go run off and do something pretty quickly. But if he wasn't home by the morning, he would just meet her in Tahoe after work.

• 13:46Garrett Moreland?

  Well, that's weird, right?

• 13:48Payton Moreland?

  Well, I think that to her, because of the line of work he's in, she maybe doesn't think it's weird that he has to go do something at 11 because there could be maybe sketchy stuff going on. And maybe if he does have to work and they're gonna leave for Tahoe, he's thinking, you just go with my daughter and then I'll meet you there.

• 14:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, that's still strange to me, but I get it. It's just, I don't know. Something's off.

• 14:13Payton Moreland?

  Well, so Sylvia's like, okay, but Amy doesn't seem totally alarmed. She's kind of treating it casually. But Sylvia's like, I just don't, something's not right. Lately, Bruce had kind of been a creature of habit. Him going out at 11:00 PM at night just didn't seem like something he would do anymore. Like, yeah, he used to be a party guy, but Sylvia just decides she's gonna call Bruce's brother Steven. Now, I need to tell you that when Bruce decided to move to Las Vegas, so did his mother Sylvia. She moved out there as well to be close to him. So she calls Bruce's brother Steven, who still lives in LA, tells him, hey, Bruce is missing. He never Showed up to work today. Remember, this is kind of like a family business across states.

• 14:56Payton Moreland?

  So Steven flies out from LA that day to help her look for him. And of course, their first stop is Bruce's house. When they get there, Bruce isn't home, which maybe not be surprising. However, Amy is there. And when they get there and go inside, they realize that Amy is shampooing the carpets at Bruce's home.

• 15:21Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 15:23Payton Moreland?

  I mean,

• 15:24Garrett Moreland?

  No.

• 15:25Payton Moreland?

  The entire,

• 15:26Garrett Moreland?

  That's insane.

• 15:27Payton Moreland?

  The entire house reeks of vinegar.

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• 16:38Garrett Moreland?

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• 17:11Payton Moreland?

  So Steven and Sylvia show up being like, hey, where's your, you know, our family member, your boyfriend Bruce, open the door and his new girlfriend of a year is shampooing the carpets in his home saying, I haven't seen him since the night before. Now, I don't know if Amy gives them a reason for why she's doing this in the moment, but that's not the only suspicious thing they notice. As they're going through the house, they notice that Bruce's cell phone and wallet are still in his house.

• 17:39Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, you nine one one needs to be called ASAP.

• 17:43Payton Moreland?

  We obviously know. I mean, okay, it's 1996. Cell phones aren't kind of like they are today, but for Bruce's business, they are. And so this is never good, especially when you're a bookie. And like I said, your entire business is done mostly through phone calls. So they tell Amy, hey, we're gonna go file a missing persons report. But when they go to the police, the police are like, so he's only been gone today. And you're trying to say he's missing like he's a grown man.

• 18:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, he's only been gone today. His girlfriend is shampooing the carpets. The whole house smells like vinegar. His wallets left the house and his phone. But yeah, no big deal.

• 18:21Payton Moreland?

  They tell them, hey, we're gonna give it a few days before we start using resources. The families like this is not good enough. So the following day on July 7th, when they still haven't heard from him or seen him, they hire a private investigator named Michael Wasaki.

• 18:38Payton Moreland?

  And one of the first things Michael does when the family tells him what's going on is say, "We gotta focus on Amy. I mean, the shampooing the carpets doesn't look great, but some of Bruce's friends also say that this relationship, Amy, there was just something a little bit off." So, Michael questions her a few times over the next several days, but she maintains her story. Bruce went out the night before and didn't come home. And after some digging, he realizes, obviously Bruce didn't make it to Lake Tahoe either, but here's what's gotta be suspicious. If Bruce told Amy, "Hey, if I'm not back in the morning, I'll meet you up in Tahoe", why didn't she go to Tahoe? Why was she at home shampooing the carpets?

• 19:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Payton Moreland?

  These are all just things that Michael's curious about. Especially by Thursday, July 11th, when Amy starts mentioning to Michael, "Yeah, I would love to help you, you know, search for Bruce, but I actually have plans to leave the country." So, the following day, Amy and Michael speak again, and this time she has a different version of events.

• 19:43Garrett Moreland?

  This is insane.

• 19:44Payton Moreland?

  Michael goes to her and is like, "Listen, you're planning to leave the country. You need to tell us what happened." She's like, "Okay, okay, okay. This is the truth." She says that actually, on the night of July 5th, four masked men came into the house. She was in the shower, but they pulled her out and blindfolded her so she couldn't see a thing. She heard them lead Bruce upstairs, beat him up, and then she heard three gunshots. And after that, all she heard was what sounded like his body being tossed down the stairs and dragged out of the house.

• 20:17Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 20:17Payton Moreland?

  Um, she said, "Before they left, the masked gunman said something to Amy. They told her to clean up the house, and if anyone asked, tell them that Bruce left and said he would be back soon." They also threatened to come back and kill Amy and Bruce's young daughter, Jaclyn, if anyone ever found out the truth. She needed to keep this a secret. So, this is definitely a little bit more than like, "Hey, he went out at 11:00 PM and didn't come back." She's saying, "Hey, intruders broke in, tied me up, murdered him, and then told me to cover it up or else they would come back and kill me."

• 20:47Garrett Moreland?

  There's no way anyone believes this, right?

• 20:49Payton Moreland?

  Well, Michael's talking to people, you know, like, he's investigating. He's investigating. The cops are, but Michael is. And there are some neighbors who corroborate this story.

• 20:59Garrett Moreland?

  Get the, get out of here.

• 21:01Payton Moreland?

  So one of the neighbors said that on the night of July 5th, they did hear three loud popping noises that sounded like gunshots coming from Bruce's home at around 10:00 PM. And you have to take into consideration Bruce's line of work. Sometimes it did involve shady characters, even if it was legal, though apparently there were some operations that he was running there too that were a little below board. So Michael, at this point decides to take this information to police. He's like, hey, this is what I found out. She lied, but then she tells the truth. And then I checked with the neighbors and they also heard the gunshots. And 10 days after Bruce goes missing, Amy is finally tracked down and brought into the police station to give an official statement.

• 21:44Payton Moreland?

  And there Amy tells police, the reason she didn't come forward about all of this was because she was terrified. She remembers the muffled voices, the feeling of a gun pressed to the back of her head, and the memory of someone telling her if she talked, she would die. The only distinguishing feature she could give police was that one of the men had a heavy New York accent. She said, she did what they told her to. She cleaned the carpets, kept her mouth shut. Here's the thing, though. Amy isn't recalling all of this from memory. She has these handwritten notes with her during her statement. So when she comes into police, she brings paper and she's reading this statement off of paper. Police are like, what is going on? So they decide at this point, they have probable cause, they're going to search Bruce's house.

• 22:29Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 22:30Payton Moreland?

  So keep in mind, Bruce has been missing for 10 days at this point, and what they're looking for is basically any evidence that can confirm Amy's story, or at the very least, a sign of what happened to Bruce. What they don't find is any fingerprints that seem out of the ordinary, but even more interesting, there are no bullets, casings, or any impact sites in the primary bedroom that they notice. What they do find, after performing aluminal tests, though, is a giant trail of blood leading from the master bedroom to the front door. So obviously, when police discover this, this turns this from a missing persons case to a homicide case.

• 23:11Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 23:11Payton Moreland?

  So Amy's version of events, whether it was her who did it, or someone else.

• 23:17Garrett Moreland?

  Sorry to interrupt. Is it?

• 23:20Garrett Moreland?

  Luminal?

• 23:21Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 23:21Garrett Moreland?

  Saying that correctly? Is it possible for it to?

• 23:26Garrett Moreland?

  Um, how do I say this? Not not work like can you clean up good enough to where it doesn't work is what I'm saying? Like if you use bleach, like, do you know the how the technology works or no?

• 23:37Payton Moreland?

  I don't know how it works. I do know there is a way to like clean up enough to not have it show on a luminol test because there's been times where they've like had to pull up the floorboards to find the blood that was missed. So.

• 23:55Payton Moreland?

  Are you asking?

• 23:56Garrett Moreland?

  Well, I was trying to ask, uh, chat GPT, but all it says is I can't help you with that. If you're in a situation involving blood or harm, I urge you to seek help or contact emergency services or a trusted professional.

• 24:07Payton Moreland?

  Great. Your phone just got sent to the FBI.

• 24:10Garrett Moreland?

  I'm screwed. I mean, I could look it up, but.

• 24:14Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know. I'll let one of you guys answer for me.

• 24:15Payton Moreland?

  You literally chat GPT. Is there a way to pass a luminol test?

• 24:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, basically. And it told me that I need to go.

• 24:22Payton Moreland?

  See someone?

• 24:23Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, basically.

• 24:24Payton Moreland?

  Okay, so at this point, they're like, hey, we do think murder happened here. And when they check Amy's car as well as Bruce's, which had been left behind, they don't find any fiber or blood in either of the vehicles. So they find this evidence in the house. But then where did the body go once it left if it wasn't in either of their vehicles? And so this is when they are like, wait, is Amy telling the truth? Was there a third party involved?

• 24:53Garrett Moreland?

  There's no way. There's no way that I can believe that there was a third party.

• 24:57Payton Moreland?

  Police are still searching at this point and they find Bruce's hidden safe in his bedroom. And when they get it open, they discover there is only $20 inside. Now, according to some sources, Bruce originally had $100,000 inside this safe in the 90s. But upon further investigation, they also noticed something they missed. Bruce's mattress had actually been flipped over. And on the other side, there were bullet holes. So it does seem like Bruce was shot while on or in his bed. Police are thinking, maybe this was part of the Amy cleaning up out of fear scenario,

• 25:39Payton Moreland?

  because to them, there was no way that she was able to go in here, shoot her boyfriend, and then drag him out of the house and dispose of his body all on her own. She's very petite. He is huge.

• 25:53Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, sorry. I guess I was gonna say, I guess that's a good point. She couldn't have, like, she couldn't have dragged or disposed of the body by herself.

• 26:02Payton Moreland?

  Right. Between that and the lack of evidence in their cars, the police are like, hey, there has to be something else going on, which is when they start to wonder, maybe she's telling the truth. And when they dig deeper into Bruce's life back in Los Angeles, and the reason why he left, that's when things start to make a little more sense. So as I mentioned, Bruce's bookie operation was legal most of the time. There were apparently a few incidents back in LA in the late 80s where Bruce was arrested for illegal bookmaking, though. And during the last instance, the LAPD approached Bruce with an offer. They said, give us a few names of other illegal bookies in town and we'll clear your charges. Now Bruce, with a new baby at the time, was probably happy to make a deal, but of course, this comes with a risk.

• 26:47Payton Moreland?

  A lot of the guys he was working with were involved in organized crime, but there was a benefit for Bruce as well. If he gives them the names, then he clears out his competition. So Bruce wore a wire. He became an informant for the police, helped them with their sting operation. And in the end, he helped the police arrest over 20 people.

• 27:05Garrett Moreland?

  Whoa.

• 27:06Payton Moreland?

  That's a lot of enemies. So naturally, when the Vegas police hear he's been murdered, they, and they learn about this, they decide there's a group of people they're gonna look at. I will say, all of those people Bruce busted were now in jail, but that doesn't mean they didn't have connections on the outside.

• 27:23Garrett Moreland?

  I also, I just wanna bring something up. So say she was, you know, they tied her down, killed him, did all this stuff. I know everyone reacts to trauma differently, but she doesn't seem distressed at all, you know? Like, there's no way, if some, if someone came in here, tied you down, killed me, you would be freaking out.

• 27:46Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Garrett Moreland?

  Raking out, so.

• 27:47Payton Moreland?

  But also if they were like, hey, you need to be on your best behavior, clean this up, or I'm gonna come back and kill you now, now, I'd be like, yeah, okay. And then the second they left, I would call the police.

• 27:58Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, a hundred percent.

• 27:59Payton Moreland?

  But back in the nineties, would people have done that?

• 28:02Garrett Moreland?

  I think so. I don't think people have changed that much.

• 28:05Payton Moreland?

  I think people just don't believe that criminals are gonna come back and kill them as much as they used to.

• 28:13Garrett Moreland?

  But she'd still just be like scared or, you know?

• 28:16Payton Moreland?

  I get what you're saying.

• 28:17Garrett Moreland?

  Like, there's no way she's just gonna be like, yeah, life's amazing. I'm going to Tahoe.

• 28:22Payton Moreland?

  Well, she didn't go, remember?

• 28:23Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 28:24Payton Moreland?

  The Las Vegas police start looking into these people one by one, and what they find is none of them even knew Bruce was the one who ratted them out. Apparently, Bruce was a pretty flawless informant, but that poses a different problem. All of Bruce's enemies are now a dead end, which means the investigation has to pivot. And that's when a new name is thrown into the mix, the man named Ken Reich. Now, Ken was Bruce's roommate at his home before Amy moved in, but he's also Bruce's business associate. And before Bruce died, the two had started a little side hustle together. The two of them would take the cash from their clients, the cash that was meant to pay off lost bets.

• 29:05Payton Moreland?

  And instead of paying the winners of the bets with that cash, they would take the money to a casino to see if they could turn a little profit. They started gambling with their clients' money.

• 29:17Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 29:18Payton Moreland?

  Turns out, there were a couple nights when Bruce was in the red, and he borrowed about $5,000 from Ken to try and fix all of this. Police think, well, $5,000 is like chump change to these guys. Would someone really kill their business partner and friend over an amount that small? Here's something else strange. Remember I said Bruce, his daughter, Jaclyn, and Amy were all supposed to go to Tahoe with another friend that weekend?

• 29:40Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 29:41Payton Moreland?

  Well, that friend was Ken. Well, when Ken hears his buddy is missing and they're not going to Tahoe anymore, doesn't really seem to care. He heads to Tahoe without Amy, Bruce and Jaclyn and does the vacation anyway. And when police try to question him, there was zero sense of urgency to come down to the station to talk. Plus, it seems like Ken was one of the last people to actually see Bruce alive. On the day before Bruce vanished, Ken and Bruce went to watch some horse races and then he dropped Bruce back off at his house at around 9:00 PM. I remember those shots apparently went off at 10. But when the police finally do get a hold of Ken, he tells them this. He went somewhere in the hours after dropping him off, meaning Ken has a rock solid alibi. He spent the rest of

• 30:24Payton Moreland?

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• 33:13Payton Moreland?

  So after all of this, they're like, we have circled back around to her.

• 33:16Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 33:17Payton Moreland?

  But when the police decide to go question Amy again, they realize they can't find her. She's gone.

• 33:25Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, she's out of the country.

• 33:26Payton Moreland?

  So now they're thinking one of two things happened. Either Amy skipped town, or the people came back and killed her like they said they would.

• 33:35Garrett Moreland?

  I guess I didn't think about that part.

• 33:36Payton Moreland?

  Maybe whoever threatened her came back after she talked to police. So they tried to reach out to her a few times and nothing. But then on August 11th, a little over a month after Bruce disappears, there's a break in the case. A body is found in the Las Vegas desert. A couple of hunters are out in this isolated part of the desert when they noticed this strong chemical odor hit them all of a sudden. And near that smell are a bunch of stones on top of skeletal remains. So the police are called out to the site, but the remains are pretty decomposed. It's kind of hard for them to make out any identifying features. All they can tell is that the body belongs to a man. But they also notice the smell and they say it doesn't smell like the normal odor of a decomposing body,

• 34:21Payton Moreland?

  as gross as that sounds. They're noticing that it smells like a cleaning solution of some kind. But that's not even the most shocking part of this entire thing is they're scanning the area, looking for clues. 400 yards away, there's a second body.

• 34:37Garrett Moreland?

  No way is it Amy?

• 34:38Payton Moreland?

  It has long reddish hair and appears at first glance to be a female. So police have these bodies bagged, taken back to the lab and the Las Vegas police are feeling like they think it's Bruce and Amy.

• 34:50Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap. No, I feel bad, but no way.

• 34:56Payton Moreland?

  So.

• 34:57Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 34:58Payton Moreland?

  They look at the first body, the one that smell and they find there is a bullet wound in the chest. And after getting a hold of Bruce's dental records, they do in fact prove that this body is Bruce Weinstein.

• 35:09Garrett Moreland?

  And Amy's?

• 35:10Payton Moreland?

  Now we have the second body. And when they examine it closely, they realize, oh, this isn't a woman, it's a man.

• 35:18Garrett Moreland?

  Oh.

• 35:18Payton Moreland?

  And it's a victim of a completely unrelated crime. A total coincidence that the bodies were so close together.

• 35:26Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 35:27Payton Moreland?

  Police don't know, but what they do know is that Amy might still be alive somewhere. And Bruce's family is encouraging the police to look for her. Their guts are telling them that she had something to do with this. So the police issue a fugitive warrant for Amy and about a month later, they get a hit all the way in Maryland. Turns out Amy has been pulled over for speeding. She tries to get out of it. However, there is something else in the vehicle that catches the officer's eye. The big bag of cash stacked with hundred dollar bills, amounting to about a hundred thousand dollars. There's also another woman's birth certificate, a passport, a bunch of wigs. And at first.

• 36:10Payton Moreland?

  Officer thinks the road she's on is a well traveled path for drug traffickers. So that's what they think. But then he sees that she has a bunch of newspaper clippings about Bruce Weinstein's case in her car. And when he finds out there's this felony warrant out for her arrest in Vegas, he puts her in handcuffs. She's thrown in jail in Maryland and the Las Vegas police are working to get her back to Nevada. But before they can extradite her, someone comes and pays her bail. And she escapes before the LVPD can get her into their custody. But there's still this big missing piece for detectives. I mean,

• 36:47Garrett Moreland?

  It's crazy.

• 36:48Payton Moreland?

  Amy did not do this alone, at least she did not move this body alone. So they are thinking that she has someone else involved. And that's when they figure out a little bit more about this case. In January of 1997, someone finds a 38 caliber pistol in the desert close to where Bruce's body was found. By the way, the bullet wound in Bruce's chest matches this. So they run the serial number on the gun and they find it belongs to a 58 year old man named Robert Wayne Bobby Jones. Bobby turns out is also on the run and he was employed by Amy's upholstery cleaning business. So the gun they find near the body belongs to one of Amy's employees.

• 37:33Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 37:34Payton Moreland?

  Now, when they see pictures of Bobby, they realize this is definitely the guy that could have helped Amy move a body. So they get a warrant to search Bobby's property. And then they get to his house and they notice something odd. It's that same weird chemical smell they noticed when they discovered Bruce's body. And that's when they realize it's a chemical they use for the upholstery business. But as I mentioned, Bobby's nowhere to be found. He's also MIA. So the police issue a fugitive warrant for him as well. And to place even greater attention on the case, they get America's Most Wanted to run an episode about Bruce's murder. And shockingly, it works.

• 38:12Payton Moreland?

  In June of 1997, six months after they discovered Bobby's involvement and knew who they were looking for, but couldn't find Bonnie and Clyde. Someone reported seeing Bobby in New Mexico. Turns out he'd been hiding out at his son's house there. He's taken into custody, refuses to speak with police, which is why they think, okay, we also need to find Amy. So we can put all the pieces together.

• 38:35Garrett Moreland?

  I think I need to say something real quick, too. How do the neighbors go, oh yeah, I think someone did come and tie Amy down and a bunch of people came in?

• 38:46Payton Moreland?

  Well, they just said that they heard the gunshot.

• 38:50Garrett Moreland?

  But, oh.

• 38:52Payton Moreland?

  They didn't say that they saw people. They're just saying, yeah, I mean, if she's saying there were gunshots that night, yeah, we did hear them.

• 38:58Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, so there probably, I mean, there was gunshots though, but.

• 39:00Payton Moreland?

  Yes, but I mean, it could have been hers.

• 39:03Garrett Moreland?

  Yes, exactly.

• 39:04Payton Moreland?

  So, six more months go by. They can't find Amy, so they decide, let's reach out to the producers of America's Most Wanted and see if we can run the episode again. And it works. Again, someone says they know where Amy is currently. She's bartending at a nudist colony in Fort Pierce, Florida. So cops storm the campground, but Amy's already a step ahead of them. They say she left mere hours ago. Though it only takes a few more days to track her down, on January 28th, she is tracked down to a friend's home 16 miles away and finally placed in handcuffs. And this time, police aren't letting her get away.

• 39:42Payton Moreland?

  She's sent back to Vegas where she tells the police the same thing she originally did, the same exact story. She thinks the mobsters killed Bruce. But they aren't buying it, especially because they know that she had Bruce's cash on the road with her. So later that year, in October of 1998, Amy and Bobby are tried together for the murder of Bruce Weinstein. The prosecution paints the story as an extortion plot gone wrong. Turns out, Amy had hinted to a few friends in the week leading up to the murder that she had actually wanted to kill Bruce. But she wanted to find a way to keep his money after he was gone. So in order to do that, she needed a bit of help. That's when she recruited her employee Bobby, who she knew was already strapped for cash.

• 40:27Payton Moreland?

  She told Bobby he should pretend to break in one night and hold Bruce at gunpoint until he gave him what he was looking for. That evening, Bruce recognized Bobby. He could make out his voice, so Bobby panicked. He shot Bruce, dragged him out of the house, and the two used cleaning supplies to cover their tracks. Amy came up with the fake story and mopped up the house while Bobby brought Bruce out to the desert. Then they took his cash. Whether or not that's exactly what actually happened, the jury believes it. Amy was found guilty of first degree murder and given two life sentences, while Bobby was also found guilty for his part in the crime and given five years. But it doesn't end there.

• 41:09Payton Moreland?

  Two years after this, both of their convictions are overturned. Apparently during the trial, one of the former homicide detectives called Amy's story a complete, quote, "fairytale", which Supreme Court justices agreed should not have been allowed during testimony, because that's a matter of opinion, but could sway the jury. So as a result, Amy and Bobby were granted a new trial, but instead of risking her life in the hands of another jury, Amy pled guilty to second degree murder and was given a new sentence of 10 to 25 years. She was actually released in 2011. Bobby was not retried at all. The judge felt he had already served the majority of his time for the case, so they decided to release him. And while both of them are back out living their lives now,

• 41:52Payton Moreland?

  the lives of Bruce's family are changed forever. His daughter Jaclyn has made the most of this next chapter, though. She's decided to avoid the dangers of the family business. She's gone on to become a doctor, but I think there's definitely something heartbreaking in these cases. When killers get out and the victims are still dead. And that is the case of Bruce Weinstein. Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode. Garrett actually had to run out like three minutes ago to go jump in a meeting. So I love it and he still hates it. We'll see you next time. Goodbye.

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