The U.S. Media Is LYING To You—Here’s The Truth About Global Chaos | Shane Smith PT 2

Today we're diving deep into the complex world of global conflict and human nature with none other than Shane Smith. Shane is the co-founder of VICE and a decorated journalist whose boots-on-the-ground experiences have shaped his unique understanding of war and its impact on society. Shane shares some intense stories and powerful insights about the thin line between good and evil, why war never ends well, and how humanity's survival instinct breeds conflict. We'll also tackle some heavy historical parallels and Shane's eye-opening perspective on geopolitical stability. If you want a gripping look into the chaos of war and human nature, stick around. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Tech Arms Race: War vs. Utopia 03:20 Nuclear Dystopia: Global Power Imbalance 08:55 From Conflict to Prosperity 10:24 Middle East Tensions Escalate Again 13:42 Middle East Geopolitical Instability Concerns CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://rangerover.com/us/sport Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Thive Market: ​​Go to https:thrivemarket.com/impact http://thrivemarket.com/impact for 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! ITU: Ready to breakthrough your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Kettle & Fire: Get 20% off your first order at https://kettleandfire.com/impact with code IMPACT Netsuite: Download the CFO’s Guide to AI and Machine Learning at https://NetSuite.com/THEORY https://netsuite.com/THEORY Found: Try Found for FREE at https://found.com/impact ********************************************************************** Do you need my help? STARTING a business: Join me inside ZERO TO FOUNDER here https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=IT_PC&utm_content=ztf_it_pc_ad SCALING a business: Click here to see if you qualify https://tombilyeu.com/scale?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=mindset_PC&utm_content=bdceo_mindset_pc_ad Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 0:45Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Today, we're digging even deeper into who's actually making the rules, how global power structures are shifting, and what all of it means for your future. Now, let's jump right back in with Shane Smith. So no matter where I drop you off in the world, you're gonna find that kid who's just ridiculously smart. And you're like, whoa, like what's going on here? Now, whether they have an outlet or they have access to any of that information, they will have a mind that just can process the data. And so if you're able to get into everybody's hands, open sourced AI, I mean, you've got not only DeepSeek, which is the model from China that you were talking about, but you've got Llama coming out of Meta here in America. They're all open source. So those things are already out, like there's no putting that cat back in the bag.

• 2:12Tom Bilyeu?

  So that is going to proliferate like crazy. You've got guys like Imad Mustak, who his whole mission in life is to build what he calls universal basic, either compute or intelligence. I forget how he phrases it, but like making sure that everybody, everywhere in the world has access to that compute so that they can push themselves forward, that they can be an island of one to not need a strong educational infrastructure, that they can learn the information. Now, how you get out from under a bad culture becomes a totally different question, which answers a question of why I do impact theory the way that I do now, because culture matters so much that if you don't paint a picture for people that they can grab on to

• 2:53Tom Bilyeu?

  and say, oh, okay, I get it. This is how we have to behave in order to end up in that space that we want to end up. And I admittedly don't have an answer for scaling culture. This would be a very different podcast if I were, you know, in a country that was ruled by a despot.

• 3:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Doing it here, it's like, that's ultimately what I'm looking for is for

• 3:16Tom Bilyeu?

  people to be capped only by their work ethic, their curiosity, and as much as I hate it, their intellect. Yeah. And if you can at least create that scenario, you're still going to have very unequal outcomes just because of that 50% of us is hardwired and there's nothing you can do about it. But if we can get to that situation, now we've got a shot for people to really get ahead. But this is why, to me, truth does matter. And the reason that truth matters is, I think it is, it exists. It's known as physics. Virtually everything we think of as truth is interpretation. But if you can

• 3:52Tom Bilyeu?

  have some sort of metaphor, like for me, it's, I have a black bag in front of me. There is an object inside of that black bag. We're all wearing mittens, but we can reach our hands in and try to feel what this object is. And I'm gonna do it and get my own opinion, but I'm gonna ask you to do it. I'm gonna ask Eric to do it, like everybody's gonna come in and try to figure out what this thing is. We're all gonna talk about it. This is what I think it is. This is what you think it is. And I'm sure as hell not gonna tell you to shut up because you think it's something different than I think it is. Uh, I'm gonna try to triangulate on what it really is based on all the different feedback that I'm getting. Because understanding what is true allows you to predict the outcome of your actions. And once you can predict the outcome of your actions, and I'll make this very tangible.

• 4:38Tom Bilyeu?

  To anybody that can hear my voice right now, if you're wondering why you can't get ahead financially, the punchline is that your money's being inflated to nothing. And if you don't own assets, there's no way to win that battle. You will lose and you will get poorer every day, uh, unless you're, you have a job that gives you a raise that outstrips inflation, which just isn't gonna happen. So, uh, you must own assets, but the vast majority of humanity doesn't understand that. But that's one of the truths inside of this black bag that, oh, I now understand it. And I didn't understand it two or three years ago. And so through this podcast, I have managed to grope on this thing enough with enough other really smart people to be like, okay, here's a piece of the puzzle. Now you can actually go do something with that information and we can start building this shared future.

• 5:20Tom Bilyeu?

  But it really, like, I did not think I would ever talk about politics. I could not escape it. It was a fucking tractor beam because I didn't ever think I would talk about finance. But COVID hit and literally when COVID hit, I was like, two or three years out of having had the thousand employees that grew up in the hood. And I was like, oh damn, everything's gonna get closed. Those guys are living hand to mouth. They're going to get obliterated. But I didn't understand money printing. And so I started doing all this financial content, takes off highest performing content. And I'm like, oh, this is interesting. But then as you learn about money, you're like, wait a second, this isn't how I thought money worked. And so you just start asking the next question, the next question, the next question. And you're just like tumbling down the rabbit hole.

• 6:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And all of a sudden you understand why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And it's like, wait, these are explainable things that anybody can do something about, but they don't understand it. And I think that people use complexity to hide the ball.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:18Tom Bilyeu?

  To make it a game that's not only rigged, but that is has a like the way that they use legalese to make sure lawyers have a job.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Law.

• 6:28Tom Bilyeu?

  People make money sound complicated as a way to make sure that they keep getting to take advantage of the weird way.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  They're the scribes of modernity, lawyers. You have to get one. You have to have one.

• 6:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yikes.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Just a language.

• 6:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yikes. The good news is AI thinks is gonna make most of that go away.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  That would be good because we need tort reform in this country. To go back to your bag and thing in the bag, that's Plato's cave. Which is, so you're you're in good company.

• 6:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Where we're chained by ignorance and so we see shadows because of this fire. But if we can break the chains of ignorance and go through the fire, we have the courage, then we actually see the real thing. Which is a sort of good. The other thing I was thinking.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Is if you go and give everybody AI and that's Andreessen, Andreessen's utopian, you know, positive and he's like, if you give everyone an AI assistant. Then, you know, the the the smart people and the people who use it and the people who are, you know, are gonna use this thing to climb the ladder and etc, etc. What I think is interesting is there's always been 10% of the population that just can't do it. They just can't navigate, not even modernity. They couldn't navigate it in 1642. They couldn't navigate it in 1942. They can't navigate it now. And there's just always been 10%. 10% is just the number. And I think. The, I think you're right. Like you can go now today and you can get Harvard professors, Oxford, whoever the top, you can get Einstein.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  You know, his lecture, you can get everything online. You can get the best education you can possibly get if you're. A little bit diligent and and and and learn how to sort of search well.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  There's probably products that can do that for you. In fact, I know there's products that can do that for you. So that's we're one step away from having the best of all educations, like all that you can have. And it'll just be, how many people do you think will avail themselves of the greatest education you could possibly get? Better than any university, better than Harvard, better than Oxford, because it's it's like the best professors from every, how many people? 20% on the outside?

• 8:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Sure. Generous, but yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's say 15 to 20%. Okay. Why?

• 8:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Really? You want to know?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, okay. So this is the complex interplay of level of intelligence and culture. So given that, there's very little you can do to impact like your true level of intelligence, uh, pre Neuralink and things like that, which are way closer than people think. Uh, and then personality. So if we are all a, um, roll of 120 sided die, and that's like, what's your level of curiosity? What's your, uh, rate of processing data? Like on and on and on. Um, how easy. There's a thing in the brain called the basal ganglia, which allows you to switch gears. So, um, some people, if you've ever met somebody that just,

• 9:22Tom Bilyeu?

  they can't shake a trauma or they can't shake a, um, a slight that somebody did. And they just become obsessed with like, I've got to get them back or whatever. Uh, that person has a hard time shifting gears. So they get locked in. All those things matter. And so we are all something like that. It's probably more like 10,000, 100 sided dice, but you get the idea. Uh, and given that distribution, you will always get wildly uneven outcomes. Now 20 is the percentage of people that would just go all in. There are still people that they're going to use it to tremendous advantage and it will make their life way better. Uh, but it is terrifying that that 10% number exists, that they are, they are definitionally, I don't mean this as a slight, they are definite,

• 10:06Tom Bilyeu?

  definitionally morons. And so they're never going to be able to navigate the world. Um, and so their only hope is either genetic engineering or, uh, brain implants. And we'll see, but yeah, until something changes at the genetic level or the interface level, it's going to be wildly uneven.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think that to go once, it's worse than that, Jim, he's dead. Uh, because it's, it was, it's just the baseline is 10%. But when you start adding in. This Moore's Law on steroids, when you start adding in AI and and quantum and all of these things, that the the understanding, not just the understanding, but the ability to apply these things to real world, you know, actions that that that uplift you either intellectually or monetarily, that's gonna like it's it's

• 11:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Paint me a picture. Think like a sci fi writer for a minute.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I was just saying that the other day, we need um like like a really good like, remember, was it Gibson in the eighties?

• 11:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Like, like, you know, predicted all this stuff, or he had a predictor, or the nerds read it and then made it because they'd read it in the book.

• 11:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  I want knowing all the stuff like we know now to have like someone like a very futurist Gibson to be like, here's what it's gonna look like in the or what it could look like. Because he was even back in the day, talking about Neuralink and and stuff, which we were all like, you're crazy. And all the stuff he talked about. Anyway, I think in one of the books, maybe it was neural, I don't know, uh, someone was in love with a like a AI, AI hologram, like made up person. And like all this, like I like the the, I'm not going to say the the platforms because I don't want to get in trouble, but like, there's all these AI porn things of of like the people in Japan speaking of our favorite place, Japan and

• 12:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Get crazy.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Crazy, right? You're gonna fall in love with an AI and Spike to the the movie Her and, you know.

• 12:13Tom Bilyeu?

  People probably don't know your history with him, but we get to that later.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, great guy. But and but yeah, he he uh, he he he predicted that in her. But it's it's uh, it it I look at that stuff and I go, wow, like, there's gonna be people who are already adopters and people who who get into it and and and and it's gonna go like this. Like, I really see that there's gonna be

• 12:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Meaning there are people that have access to it, but they don't use it well. And so the people that have it and use it well will just eat their lunch. Are we, do you imagine something like Elysium, where we've got poor people just can't afford the nice technology, they can't put themselves in orbit? Uh, is, does that come close to what you imagine?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  I mean, what's the There was when when we were growing up, there was a it was a thing called culture lag or something. It was the

• 13:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I've heard you talk about that before. I never looked up the exact phrase, but culture lag certainly explains.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Culture lag. I mean, it was a big thing in the eighties and nineties of like, basically, you know, nothing really happened. And then in the eighties, like computers. And so eighties and the nineties was tech and then, you know, two thousand.

• 13:21Tom Bilyeu?

  The rate of change begins to speed up.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  There you go. And so there was this societal

• 13:28Speaker 01

  philosophy of cultural lag, like it takes us, excuse me, like five years or 10 years to take a technology and then sort of adapt it and be able to use it. And I think that that's just shrinking, shrinking, shrinking. So you have kids who are sort of digital natives, um, who are already using AI every day, even if they know it or don't know, but they're kind of, you know, using it. And and really, I mean, my seven year old is like, and we're typical sort of modern parents of like, oh, you can't use technology and let's go to the park. But I mean, they're just, it's like when I was a kid, we didn't have a TV, so I became obsessed with, uh, medium. Kind of a medium because like, you know, my, my, uh, my, uh,

• 14:14Speaker 01

  anyway, my ex wife was not allowed candy. And so she became obsessed with candy and sure. So you there's a medium anyway, but the kids today are just insane. Like technology sort of sponges and they're like really good at it, like really like, you know, and and

• 14:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Think about it. Their brain is rewiring based on their interactions with technology.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:39Tom Bilyeu?

  That is how deep that rabbit hole goes.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Yes. And I was just in Africa and the big thing in Africa is micro banking. Um, like, you know, dollar, two dollars here and and not having to use cash and stuff and and doing it with a phone. But the phones are like donated, like Nokia seven one eighties or whatever. Like they're old. I don't want to say analog because they're not analog, but they're just like, you know, you know what I mean?

• 15:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Like, oh, and the

• 15:08Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not a smartphone.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Not a smartphone. And you're like, oh,

• 15:13Speaker 01

  right there, like to go back to your three, you know, so you're you're already wired by the time you're three. If my kids already been using AI.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  For twenty years. I mean, the other thing is education like I I grew up and had sort of my started my education in the British system and like reading, writing and arithmetic like penmanship was a big deal and you know, writing was a big deal in math and you know, and now none of that is a big deal and older parents are like, what the hell's going on? And you're like, look, by the time these kids get into the workforce,

• 15:52Speaker 01

  it's like calculators and math. We used to be a big thing. Well, now every phone has a like, everyone has like, like that changed math. You don't need to memorize everything because we all have calculators now. Now, pure math, people will want you to still do that, but you don't really need to. With AI, that's pretty much everything. So you have to figure out what your niche is within that AI world, right? But if you're not even in that AI milieu, then you're at a twenty year disadvantage.

• 16:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, I I have a feeling it's gonna play out very differently than that. But before I

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Give me

• 16:27Tom Bilyeu?

  debate that point, I wanted, I want to know what the images you have in your head when you talk about that. So uh, when you do you, I think in movies. So for me, it's very easy to be like, oh, this is what I imagine.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you think in books, movies?

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Movies.

• 16:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so what movie gets closest to imagining the future you think will come true?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  That's fucking great question. Um.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  It would be dystopian, except for the fact that lately I've been contemplating things a lot, thinking a lot. Because I've been forced to because of this kind of stuff, too. It's sort of made me question, you know, where my thinking comes from. And I'm I'm just be a little bit long. You're Gen X?

• 17:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Gen X.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Gen X, okay. So Gen X was always, if people don't know, we were always sort of forgotten generation, Gen X. So that's where it came from, naming generations. And we were forgotten. We were like, you know, not a lot of parenting, sort of, you know, feral, you know, grew up on our own, whatever. And sandwiched between the baby boomers and the millennials.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  And there's two things uh that I realized. One, I started thinking a lot about Carl Sagan and he's like, look, imagine time, you know, we have this tiny, tiny, tiny little window where humans can flourish and the temperature is just right and it can't be two degrees more, two degrees less. The water is just right and the atmosphere is just right. And this can, you know, it's just amazing for humans to live at this one tiny little time, right? And so you should enjoy it. Uh, Gen X arguably has been the best and greatest window of humanity in the history of history. So we didn't have any great wars. We had total economic upticks.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  There was no real murdery kind of crazy things happening. Travel became accessible for everyone to go all around. Most, most people uh like luxury became a thing. Food, foodies, I mean, food used to be, and now it's like, oh my God, it's the greatest smash burger ever. Like, education, all of these things and the environment held up. And you're like, wow, like we live greater than any aristocracy ever in the history of the world. I don't know what happens with AI. I don't know what happens with environmental degradation. But if you look at history, it goes

• 19:01Speaker 01

  upwards. Elon has a thing of like, all of history is sort of like, uh, you know, death, infant mortality and education and, and it goes like this forever, sort of uptick in like 1500s and a little tiny and so and then like it just and, and so we're just going straight up. So if you add all those things together, you're like, well, what has been my experience? My experience has been one of pure glory, like just great. Like the earth is great. My experience has been great. I'm still going great, still going great guns. You know, you can live longer. We know more things about stuff like my mom grew up and she lived on a farm. She was told like the tang was

• 19:46Speaker 01

  good and like that, you know, uh, Hungry Man dinners or whatever, TV dinners were more healthy for you because they were made by scientists. And so like, we at least have some modicum of truth. And, you know, you're like, okay, so if you look at it,

• 20:02Speaker 01

  You should think, well, why would that change? Like, your experience with life has been godhead.

• 20:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep, Matt Ridley's the rational optimist.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but is the environment screwed? Yes. Is AI gonna cause a lot of upheaval? Yes, but if you look at what I experienced, and I did a valedictory address where I said, like I said, I've already lived in the nicest house. I've already driven the nicest car, total bullshit. I went on to make and lose fortunes. And I had a great, interesting, incredible life that I have no reason to think that my kids won't be even more so.

• 20:46Tom Bilyeu?

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  Try Quo for free plus get 20% off your first six months at quo.com/impact. That's Q U O dot com slash impact. All right, we're back. Let's get into it. You have what I'll call an act of faith, belief that the future is good, but not necessarily a strong movie tied vision.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry, movie. Ah, that's a good one. Okay, movie, movie, movie. There's, there's no real movie that captures that sort of utopian minimalist tech. It's, they're all too tech heavy. I think tech's going to be so good that it's not in the fore. Like it's just, we live in a sort of heaven, like beautiful environment of nature that tech sort of makes for us like that, or manipulates in such a way that we don't all die.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  That's a great question. We should make that movie. What's a utopian, beautiful thing, but it's not too.

• 23:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Dino Solar Punk?

• 23:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 23:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Might be kind of fitting with what you're grasping for. It's, um, it's clearly technologically driven, but hyper integrated with nature. Beautiful blue skies.

• 24:07Tom Bilyeu?

  But still that like hard tech edge. I would look at that, that might capture it, but okay, that's interesting. What's yours? What's your movie? Well, movie wise, I think is probably the wrong way to get it where the future is actually going. So my vision of the future is Ready Player One is near term. Yeah. So call that the next 15 years. Yeah. Probably not VR, probably AR, but where you live a substantive portion of your life in a virtual world that you have hyper tailored to your preferences and you've made real friends and some of those friends are going to be AI. So the pet rock that you earn inside of your favorite video game,

• 24:48Tom Bilyeu?

  you'll have a real relationship with, just like in her, it will have memory of you, it will know you, it will have its own personality. It will have gone on adventures with you and remember it and you guys will really be able to share that. And if you grant me that that AI will be able to pass like truly a touring test, where you wouldn't know, is this another person playing in another city and I've just never met them physically? Or is this AI? Probably the steel trap memory will give it away. It just remembers too much. But that'll, that'll be very, very near future. But the long-term future is effectively the matrix without the body. You live in a world that is code and you can manipulate that code in any way that you want. And as you become aware of the code, which everybody will be,

• 25:33Tom Bilyeu?

  you can effectively live any life you want, superhero or other. Now, this is where I would expect anybody who's paying attention that understands, I really believe what I'm saying and I mean it literally. They will become, some portion of them will become the people that push back on this and this is where you get pockets of violence. Once people understand AI is really coming for your job, every bit of your job. And it's going to drive energy costs to effectively zero. It will drive labor costs to effectively zero. You'll be able to get anything you want for effectively free and you're still going to be traumatized because you have no meaning and purpose. Uh, people are gonna start pushing back on that. So I think there's a pretty near term timeline where this starts being problematic.

• 26:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Twenty five is a year it goes from, oh, it kind of feels like I have an intellectual understanding to I feel that AI is doing something. That's this year. Twenty six is like, I'm really starting to take this seriously and I'm pushing back. I'm getting very vocal and I'm boycotting companies that use AI. And I'm getting angry at the people that are building it. Twenty seven is where you start seeing violence towards robots. Uh, and I hope it stops there. And I hope then it starts returning dividends enough that people are like, actually, this is pretty cool. And it's made a lot of aspects of my life better. And I see costs coming down and whoa, this is wildly deflationary. And I've been lied to about deflation and deflation is actually awesome. It's not bad.

• 26:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, which is what I think will actually happen. People are confusing crisis instigated deflation with innovation instigated deflation, which are very different phenomena.

• 27:01Tom Bilyeu?

  That, that's my hope there, but because this will be almost certainly humans become a midwife for a highly technological version of us. Like people that are young now, like your kids, barring AI hitting a compute or energy problem. They will have to make the decision of whether they augment themselves or not.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:23Tom Bilyeu?

  And will we maybe like if we live long enough, but I could certainly see in the next thirty years, this becoming a pretty serious consideration. I would be what, uh, pushing eighty. So will I still be alive? It's a question mark, but if I am, uh, be fucking interesting, man.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  It'll be interesting. And like to go back to my utopian version, and it's funny because I would say up until two years ago, I would have said dystopian, but I'll, I'll tell you why. If you ever look at like rich people, who by the way, are the people who control a lot of the, the assets that you say you have to own assets, they own mostly assets. Where do they go? Right? They go to the nicest and they carve out the nicest parts of the world and say, I'm going to be here. And then tech, even though they're made by tech and get funded by tech, takes a backseat. You want it sort of as remote and as authentic and as sort of, you know, beautiful and simple as possible. That's the sort of peak high end.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Like I want my own island with my own stuff and my own beach and my own thing. That's the sort of aspirational thing. Now, a lot of the world. Uh, you can't do that in, right? Like, for example, eighty or ninety percent of America is just, you know, just not, there's nothing there. However, now, like, you can, you can make jungles where there are deserts and, and you can, you know, seed the clouds and make, and we were talking to a guy about doing that, who's, who's actually getting money from like Utah and Nevada and stuff. And as geoengineering goes, there's going to be more and more place for more and more people. And I think as people pull themselves, look at China, as people pull themselves out of poverty, and the Hutongs, they move to like these futuristic cities.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I think that happened in America, everyone moved to the cities. And then when you're in the city, you're like, you know what's nicer than the city? Are these, I have my own house with a pool and I'm like in the backyard. And I think as you can have more land that you can put crazy 3D printed houses for cheap and, you know, this, and you can have connectivity through Starlink and you can have all this stuff. It opens up a lot of things outside the city, because I think cities become unlivable after, let's say, twenty million people. And there's going to be forty million, fifty million people cities. So we're going to use more and more of the land. And that land, we're going to go to where we want the tech to be less ready player one and more like, uh, um, I keep on thinking of, um,

• 29:52Speaker 01

  you'll probably get this, there's a rare Star Trek, uh, uh, technology where they, it can create a planet and it sort of creates a lush planet.

• 30:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Is it the holodeck or something?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  No, no, it's a planet. It creates a planet.

• 30:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Builds a planet.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Builds a planet and it's, and they, they use it, I forget what it's called. I was.

• 30:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I didn't really do Star Trek.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Anyway, it was, it was like one of the shitty Star Treks. It was like the last of the Captain Kirk. Uh, and it was, it was, it was a, it was a technology that they had developed that it could build like virgin planets, basically. And I think we're going to have a lot of technology because you can make a lot of money, um, making these sort of environmentally friendly cities. Like, we have the technology now to make reactors out of salt that are totally fail, fail safe that can. Power, you know, 10,000 how homes.

• 30:46Tom Bilyeu?

  A nuclear reactor?

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:48Tom Bilyeu?

  With salt?

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Salt, yeah.

• 30:50Tom Bilyeu?

  I need you to say more words.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Taylor Wilson.

• 30:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Had him on the show, know him well.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  We'll tell you all about it. He developed this technology out of salt, yeah. And um, he, he, he developed the technology to, to power like, you know, one to 10,000 homes. Uh, with like, you know, totally fail safe and um, very little waste, right?

• 31:12Tom Bilyeu?

  So wow.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we're, we're there technologically, we're there and we're close. We're going to be within five years, I think we're going to have fusion, you know, being a power source at which point energy becomes like you said, free. And so uh, when that happens, I think you're going to go, let's create the nicest places on earth for rich people. Then middle class people want to do what rich people do. So they're going to want to move to the sort of next to the beautiful places. And then the poor people will be aspirational and say, well, we want to be living in a beautiful place too. The reason why I say that is if you move from New York to LA, you're like, boy, there's a lot of nice houses in LA. Like when you're in New York, everything is this apartment or thing or there's a few houses, you know, a few rich people. But like, you can't really tell who lives in a nice apartment versus another apartment.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  And then you're like, here, you're like, wow, there's a lot of because people came and they built this modern city of like palm trees and movie, you know, movie stars and pools and, and big houses and stuff. And I'm like, if that's the way we're going, because that didn't exist like as of World War Two, everybody came back and everyone had 400 square feet, whatever it is, 800 square foot house. So we've moved towards luxury and better quality of life and a higher standard of living. And I think that that continues.

• 32:29Tom Bilyeu?

  It is going to be absolutely wild uh, to see what happens. Grounding it back in what we actually have today, you have traveled extensively around the world. Where have you had the most insane adventures?

• 32:46Tom Bilyeu?

  As somebody who's been at high risk, about to be kidnapped, jailed.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  So I'm with you. On the positive side, I'm with you on Japan. Japan is my favorite country. Uh, and I've been going there for 30 years and I just absolutely love it. I love everything about it.

• 33:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Can you articulate what it is you love about Japan?

• 33:04Speaker 01

  They give a shit. They like every like, even if you go down an alleyway and you're wasted and there's some like yakitori guy for a dollar. It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be amazing because he cares. There's a movie called Tempopo and this, this woman, her husband dies and she, she was middle class and she goes to being poor, which is terrible in Japan. But she's left like a, a truck stop and, and nobody goes to a truck stop. She's about to go bankrupt and, and she's, and then one of the truckers says, okay, because this guy does the best broth and this guy does the hand pull noodles and like, so she goes and she learns how to make the best broth and hand pull the noodles. And it's basically like a Kung Fu film about making the best ramen. That's Japan. Because if you have a truck stop,

• 33:49Speaker 01

  you better have the best ramen or nobody's gonna stop there. And that's everybody, like even every, like, everybody gives a shit. And when you go there, like you go to the onsen and like, everything has to be perfect. And you go to the, like, any, any restaurant from high to low, everything has to be perfect. The cabs have to be perfect, like everything. And everyone cares. And you're like, wow, this is good. This is really, really good. On the spectacularly crazy side of things, look.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  I mean, Middle East

• 34:19Speaker 01

  is bonkers and what happens there is bonkers. Like, look, Gaza, I mean.

• 34:25Tom Bilyeu?

  What do you think about Gaza?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  I, I got 17 hours. I mean, I spent a lot of time there. I spent a lot of time in Lebanon, uh, which is, was basically my favorite country on earth and now has been completely destroyed.

• 34:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa. How to go, what made it your favorite? Obviously, what destroyed it is far clearer.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  It was beautiful. It was a place where you, I mean, look, as a journalist, you go, I'm going to Lebanon. I'd be like, stay safe. And you cut to like you're on a beautiful beach turquoise water, having bronzino and delicious wine and that great nightlife, great food, some of the best food in the world, beautiful country, great people, casinos, like super fun and war, war Hezbollah kicking out, it used to be a third, the third and the third, like in the constitution, you have to have a third, like a Christian has to be prime minister, Muslim has to be president and a Drews has to be the CFO or whatever. And then just systematically sort of kicking everybody's

• 35:30Speaker 01

  a big, been a big brain drain, mismanagement explosions, Iran, Hezbollah, uh, the war with Israel, which is ongoing, poverty now, desperation, like people leave if it's shitty and it became shitty and uh, and now it's just, it's like Syria, I'm sorry, but like Syria is terrible and, and it used to be Damascus used to be the spot and now it's because of so much war and Baghdad. Afghanistan is just, I mean, you want to talk about the weirdest shit on earth? Afghanistan just shows you the opposite of what we're talking about. If, if, if that's

• 36:13Speaker 01

  a utopia, Afghanistan is the triumph of the people eating sand and shooting machine guns. I mean, it's the triumph of the people who have the biggest hammer and which is the sort of nerds biggest fear because they were beat up by the football players in high school and they're the football players. And by the way, they, they beat us. So, um, that's, that's, you go to Afghanistan and you learn a lot about humanity. I mean, it's grim.

• 36:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Stay locked in. Shane explains why you're being fed two different realities and neither side is telling you the full truth. More with Shane when we return. All right, we're back. Let's get into it. What do you learn about humanity by seeing that?

• 36:52Speaker 01

  You learn triumph of the human will, that as long as you don't give up, you know, who wins battles or wars? People who don't give up. The big thing about England was they wouldn't leave the battlefield, which is why most of the wars, they, I mean, Afghanistan is, no, no one's gonna ever beat Afghanistan in a war. Um, but that leads to, I mean, it's, it's a nation of, you know, The the the people running the Taliban are thugs. And so now the thugs are are are are running Afghanistan. I mean, Afghanistan, I could tell you 500 lessons. I mean, um.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  You know, my favorite story about Afghanistan is there's a guy named General Abdul Rizq, who was a kid, uh, when the Taliban took over or started in Kandahar. And he they killed his parents. So he went to the tunnels to to the caves to Pakistan to spot Northwest Frontier Province. And he was sweeping, uh, uh, this corner store in Northwest Frontier Province, which is about as poor as you get in the world. Uh, snuck back into Kandahar and it looks like sort of Adam and the Ants. They had these crazy, like, ribbons of fabric that they would wear, huge turbans. And they look great. And they they were up in the mountains and they started killing the Taliban. So when America invaded, they said, bring us anybody who's fighting the Taliban.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  So he he he was brought to Kabul and he he met the Americans and they trained him and gave him money and weapons. And he went back to Kandahar. And it's like Colonel Kurtz, like he he when he went to Kandahar, all Taliban activity went to zero. Hmm. Done. Now it went to the other provinces, but but he killed them all. Like, he was like the he was known as Taliban killer. And so he then became the governor of Kandahar and the police chief and whatever. And his brother, I believe, killed Karzai's brother, who was Karzai was the prime minister at the time. And they found like $2 billion worth of gold bullion. And he became the largest heroin trafficker. Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  And I remember I went to go interview him in in Kandahar and I I came back and

• 39:06Speaker 01

  and the the they came to get me at the hotel and and the the they took me to the American Embassy and they're like, what's, you know, if you give us Rizq, we'll give you like deep cover stories and stuff. And I'm like, we can give you Rizq. I don't know what you mean. And they're like, what's going on with him? And I'm like, what's going on with that? He's your guy. I mean, I asked some questions in English and he responded passionately. We have to translate. I don't know what you're talking about. But like, he'd gone off the reservation. And when you realize like what war is, so to go to Apocalypse Now, we want to talk about movies. He's Colonel Kurtz.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  And like, that's war. And you start off, it's like, everyone has a plan to punch him in the mouth, Mike Tyson. That's war. You start off, we're gonna nation build and we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. And it ends up with Rizik. It ends up with fucking murder and killing and bullying and assassinations and heroin and bad shit. That's fucking war. It's bad. It is a full on bad thing. We should do whatever the fuck we can to not go to war with anyone ever because it doesn't end well.

• 40:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm. So that started from what you learn about humanity. Does it resonate the idea of the line between good and evil runs through every human heart? Or is there might makes right? Do you think about it from a master morality kind of approach? Like, what, what glimpse is that into humanity?

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Well, to go back to Marxist dialectic, if you have whatever it is, let's say 5,000 years of land and labor carrots. Then it's sort of built into us fighting. So fighting is part of humanity and survival is part of humanity. There is a good and evil. I think good and evil is in large part a construct of our consciousness, which is given to us by parents and books we read and religion and all those laws and all those things, which by the way, right, a lot of the times, because it's like chaos is bad. Like, if we just leave it up to chaos, we all kill each other. So, so there is a reason, but a lot of our good versus evil comes from that. Do we want to fight each other and take the carrots?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yes, that's, that's been bred into us. We are dogs and we're like, we're, that's the kind of stuff is bred into us. We do want to fight. And we, we usually see it now. We, we do brinksmanship all the time. And it's people who've never fought in a war are the ones who threaten to fight a war. People who've fought in a war, like, whatever we can do, don't do that again, because it's really fucking bad. Let loose. The dogs of war, no, but let loose humanity can focus all of its 1% fucking, you know, intelligence and like, you know.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Whatever fast moving, fast thinking stuff and technology on war. Like, we can do it on utopian technology and let's make the environment good, or we can how to kill people really well. And so during war, we focused all that energy and stuff on killing people really well. We're really good at it. To go back to dystopian is you're going to have two countries who have quantum and AI and are well ahead of everybody else in data sets and everything in technology. And you have one or two countries that are forgotten that have the weapons from the previous generation. So you have Russia, who's going to be left holding the bag. They're going to have nothing. They're going to have zero and they're going to have forty eight hundred warheads.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  And you're going to have North Korea. And by the way, Pakistan.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  And a couple of other countries, but you know, that have the ability to destroy the world.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  And no ability to get to the new standard of power, which we've determined that is ours and we own. Maybe the Chinese do. They're allowed in, so it's us and them. Oh, and these guys, you want to talk about he who has the biggest hammer or or who's wanting to do the worst thing?

• 43:07Speaker 01

  The bully has forty eight hundred warheads, which is more than enough to kill everybody on the planet. So that's dystopian.

• 43:18Tom Bilyeu?

  That is dystopian. Yeah, it's interesting. You are a student of history. What do you have a particular time period that you find engrossing?

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Modern European history.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  I like American history. European history is very interesting, and I think we get a lot of Greek history, Roman history.

• 43:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So you like it all?

• 43:39Speaker 01

  I like it all. I mean, it's all basically modern. I mean, if it's an eye blink and like, you know, you look at it, it's like, we haven't been around that long in in the sense of of as sentient beings, especially that can write stuff, being the Bible, being the thing that sort of changed everything. But Rome is a big one, obviously, Greek, ancient Greece, which I've been getting into. They sort of started, you're like, where did all this shit come from? Like, they sort of started everything and it hasn't really changed that much. You go back to physics. Physics has changed, Taylor Wilson, the that like.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  The laws of physics have been sort of recently offended and they will be again. But Renaissance, obviously crazy. And then, you know, World War I, World War II.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Like, you want to talk about how bad shit can get, like, post-World War II was more deadly than World War II. Because of politics.

• 44:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Post-World War II.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Post-World War II, because of ideology. I mean Mao Zedong and the Cultural Revolution in the 60s killed double the amount of people that died in World War II.

• 44:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it's crazy. And I don't think people understand just how deadly that was.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Stalin and Mao were really bad dudes.

• 44:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Unbelievable. So I normally, I always read at night, helps me fall asleep. But there was one book I just could not read at night because it was fucking me up so badly. That's The Red Famine, which is about the Ukrainian famine in the early 20s, 1920s.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, terrible.

• 45:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was just like, God, when it got to the part where the woman eats her seven-year-old daughter, I was like, I'm out. Can't, this is too much. It's crazy.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  There's a lot of amazing, amazing, speaking of movies, amazing movies made about that time. And it's just, I mean, that era was shocking. Yeah. Cultural Revolution, like, there was no, you know, bombs and, you know, tanks and panzers and stuff. It was like a pitchfork or like a rusty knife. Like, it was a lot of murder, like a lot.

• 45:35Tom Bilyeu?

  A lot.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy. Now, you dodged the Gaza question earlier.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  The what's the question?

• 45:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Gaza.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Oh, Gaza, yeah.

• 45:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, the reason I bring it up is, um, reading, so one of my particular eras that I love reading about is The Conquest of America. And first, just surviving the winters, then dealing with, um, the fact that, hey, there's people already here. And a lot of conflict there. And we certainly had questionable ways of dealing with that. But as you push out west, uh, and then the sort of final climactic battle with the Comanche Indians and the Mexicans. And it's a, it is a fascinating moment in history. President Polk, who was like, we are going all the way to the ocean.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That time in history. Has these really eerie parallels to what's going on in Gaza right now for me.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Where it's like the thing I can't wrap my head around. I hate doing this to you because maybe this is not something you want to talk about, but um. I look at what's happening and when Trump came on and was like. Oh, well, we're going to rebuild. We're gonna just take them somewhere else. It's just rubble. There's nowhere for them to go. We're gonna take them somewhere else. And uh, you know, I mean, it's just been horrible for them. So they shouldn't be a part of the rebuild. I was like, wait, what? Why wouldn't they want to be a part of the rebuild?

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, that feels very reminiscent of uh, total military victory to the spoils, to the victor go the spoils. And it feels a little sleight of handy there at the end and.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Well, who knows what's gonna happen, first of all.

• 47:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Very true, very true.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Now, listen, the. Yes, in the answer to your, but. It's not as crazy as you think, and I'll tell you why. You know, I used to say, I spent a lot of time in Gaza and. The, there's a lot of parallels and there's a lot of sympathy. For Gaza in Ireland, right?

• 47:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Didn't see that coming.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's the same kind of thing. It was partitioned and Britain and, you know, made and. And uh, and by the way, the, the, the, the IRA spent a lot of time in, in, in with the palace, uh, the PLO.

• 47:52Tom Bilyeu?

  I hadn't heard.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  And so there's a lot of sympathy in, in Ireland. Anyway.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  In Ireland, there were 600 years of fighting and it only stopped when they basically got. Telemarketing jobs, like literally there was a sort of tech-ish revolution joining the EU. They got some money and the guns just got buried, right? Because we have some money now and we have some agency. We could buy houses. Because Ireland was a very poor country and poverty, you know, breeds warfare.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Gaza was poor and, and uh, the Iranians fund Hezbollah and they fund Hamas and Hamas. I mean Hezbollah at one point was like 35, 40% of all working people in Lebanon and. Probably 50 to 60% in Gaza. So it's paid for by Iran and Iran is.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  The boogeyman of and you know, they want to keep Israel and the GCC separate because the enemy of my enemies, my friend, then they get encircled. And so they're playing a geopolitical war to sort of keep the region destabilized. Now, the reason why this whole thing happened was because Hamas came out, because the GCC were going to ratify the Abraham Accords, and there were going to be normalization of relations between Israel and done by Jared Kushner, and and the GCC monumentally huge, like the biggest thing, nobody reported on it.

• 49:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That's crazy.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Massive. And just before the ratification of it, or right around that time, they came out and, you know, did a terrorist attack. Again, the sad thing about that and nine 11 is it proves that terrorism works really well.

• 49:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Really well.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  And it it it it put the sort of history, we were at this moment where it looked like the Middle East is actually going to be sane for a little bit, barring Iran. And

• 49:42Speaker 01

  and then this happened, and then we went completely the other way and and over retaliation and basically the flattening of of a of a, you know, I want to say a country, but you know, whatever you want to go territory. And so, very bad. Like, and we were talking about war, like is bad. Like, it's like, all you have to do is go to war zone, you never want to go to one again. And I remember talking to like, when I would go to Wisconsin, you know, all these guys who would join the Marines, oh, tell me what, you know, Afghanistan's like, you're like, don't go, dude. Like, you're not protecting America, you're not getting anything from America. You don't come back with a manly thing. You come back unable to shit for the rest of your life. You come back pissing into a fucking bag.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  What, so you can, you know, defend a convoy that, you know, has a can of coke in it because they get $100,000 a convoy? Like, what did we win in Afghanistan? We we lost Afghanistan and all the propaganda, we lost Afghanistan. We were calling it five years before, so you were going to leave and Taliban's going to have more territory than when we came. And so, it was unequivocal loss. And okay, we did nothing in Afghanistan. What do you tell all those parents, all those kids, all the trillions of dollars gone, all those lives? By the way, all the collateral damage, all the Afghans, all the Pakistan, all the people who died, what do you tell them? It was for nothing. It's for zero. You can ask any general that who who went to Afghanistan, you can ask any soldier. So, to go back to

• 51:10Speaker 01

  like war zones. Like blown up children, no matter what the cause is not good. That said, before Gaza happened, before all this stuff happened, that's a triumph of terrorism, which it should not have allowed. You can't let terrorism triumph or they'll just keep doing it. And that's just terrorists. When I say they, just for comments, like that's all terrorists.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  However, before that, I said, look,

• 51:39Speaker 01

  you can solve Gaza. Have you ever been to Gaza? It's beautiful. I mean, to go back to Lebanon,

• 51:44Speaker 01

  turquoise water, you know, beaches, you build a Burj Al Arab, hipsters go on to go there and say, I'm partying in Palestine. Like, it's what Lebanon used to be. It's a forgotten, esoteric, weird, cool place to go, where everyone has a job and have money. I guarantee you the guns get buried. Now they won't, because the other problem that you had in Ireland for 600 years is if you kill my brother, or you kill my dad, I'm going to kill you. And I'm going to die trying to kill you, and then you're going to kill me, and then I'm going to kill you, and then your son or daughter are going to. So right now, you've just reinvigorated Gaza forever. But the idea of

• 52:24Speaker 01

  making it into an economic entity rather than a slum that breeds terrorists was not so crazy. It's crazy now to say, now we're going to do it on the rubble. Well, like, we're going to displace 2 million people. You're going to displace 2, wherever those 2 million people go, they're going to blow shit up. I mean, already, like, there's more Palestinians than Jordan than there are Jordanians. Like, they're going to take over Jordan at some point. And by the way, Lebanon, it's huge Palestinian. I mean, it's geopolitical instability, and that solution

• 53:05Speaker 01

  might have worked in a time of like, okay, we're going to ratify the GCC Abraham Accords, and we're going to give Gaza Arab Saudi or whoever Qatari money to make it Dubai. You know, Dubai on the Mediterranean for Arab people. Great. Can't do it now.

• 53:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Very sad. Shane Smith, where can people follow along with you?

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Shane Smith has questions. We're all better podcasters born. Shane Smith has questions.

• 53:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I love it. Thank you, man, for being on the show. This was definitely a lot of fun.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Thank you, bro. Let's keep it going. Come back online.

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